Poll
Question:
Who will win the Div 1 final
Option 1: Kerry
votes: 2
Option 2: Mayo
votes: 3
10 days away.
To win the title Paddy Power odds.
Kerry 11/4
Donegal 9/2
Galway 5/1
Armagh 11/2
Dublin 6/1
Tyrone 13/2
Derry 9/1
Mayo 11/1
Opening round of games
Saturday 25th
Galway v Armagh - 5:15pm
Tyrone v Derry - 6pm
Dublin v Mayo - 7:30pm
Sunday 26th
Kerry v Donegal - 1:45pm
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 15, 2025, 04:10:17 PM10 days away.
To win the title Paddy Power odds.
Kerry 11/4
Donegal 9/2
Galway 5/1
Armagh 11/2
Dublin 6/1
Tyrone 13/2
Derry 9/1
Mayo 11/1
Opening round of games
Saturday 25th
Galway v Armagh - 5:15pm
Tyrone v Derry - 6pm
Dublin v Mayo - 7:30pm
Sunday 26th
Kerry v Donegal - 1:45pm
Could have had Armagh Galway at 4.00pm and made a "Super Saturday" out of this on TV. Last years AI finalists and then a big Derby in Ulster would have had alot of neutrals wanting to watch especially given the massive rule changes.
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 15, 2025, 04:10:17 PM10 days away.
To win the title Paddy Power odds.
Kerry 11/4
Donegal 9/2
Galway 5/1
Armagh 11/2
Dublin 6/1
Tyrone 13/2
Derry 9/1
Mayo 11/1
Opening round of games
Saturday 25th
Galway v Armagh - 5:15pm
Tyrone v Derry - 6pm
Dublin v Mayo - 7:30pm
Sunday 26th
Kerry v Donegal - 1:45pm
Beware Dublin at 6/1
Quote from: statto on January 15, 2025, 04:20:58 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on January 15, 2025, 04:10:17 PM10 days away.
To win the title Paddy Power odds.
Kerry 11/4
Donegal 9/2
Galway 5/1
Armagh 11/2
Dublin 6/1
Tyrone 13/2
Derry 9/1
Mayo 11/1
Opening round of games
Saturday 25th
Galway v Armagh - 5:15pm
Tyrone v Derry - 6pm
Dublin v Mayo - 7:30pm
Sunday 26th
Kerry v Donegal - 1:45pm
Could have had Armagh Galway at 4.00pm and made a "Super Saturday" out of this on TV. Last years AI finalists and then a big Derby in Ulster would have had alot of neutrals wanting to watch especially given the massive rule changes.
Also the side plot of Mal O'Rourke taking over in Tyrone having left Glen, and Tyrone man Tally taking over in Derry.
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 15, 2025, 04:48:17 PMQuote from: statto on January 15, 2025, 04:20:58 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on January 15, 2025, 04:10:17 PM10 days away.
To win the title Paddy Power odds.
Kerry 11/4
Donegal 9/2
Galway 5/1
Armagh 11/2
Dublin 6/1
Tyrone 13/2
Derry 9/1
Mayo 11/1
Opening round of games
Saturday 25th
Galway v Armagh - 5:15pm
Tyrone v Derry - 6pm
Dublin v Mayo - 7:30pm
Sunday 26th
Kerry v Donegal - 1:45pm
Could have had Armagh Galway at 4.00pm and made a "Super Saturday" out of this on TV. Last years AI finalists and then a big Derby in Ulster would have had alot of neutrals wanting to watch especially given the massive rule changes.
Also the side plot of Mal O'Rourke taking over in Tyrone having left Glen, and Tyrone man Tally taking over in Derry.
Yeah plenty of interesting stories, any of the 8 teams could probably beat each other on a given day.
How close are the league finals to championship this year?
6 or 7 days.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 15, 2025, 04:52:34 PMHow close are the league finals to championship this year?
Div 1 league final on March 30th and Championship starts the following weekend April 5th,6th
Donegal v Derry play that weekend as does Mayo v Sligo and Galway have to fly out to New York.
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 15, 2025, 06:46:01 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 15, 2025, 04:52:34 PMHow close are the league finals to championship this year?
Div 1 league final on March 30th and Championship starts the following weekend April 5th,6th
Donegal v Derry play that weekend as does Mayo v Sligo and Galway have to fly out to New York.
Once things get up and running you'll hear of plenty in the media saying Donegal,Derry,Galway,Mayo won't want to reach the final. Ridiculous that at least a two week gap isn't in place between the championship and league finals but it appears to be HQ way showing no respect to the provincial councils.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on January 15, 2025, 07:00:24 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on January 15, 2025, 06:46:01 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 15, 2025, 04:52:34 PMHow close are the league finals to championship this year?
Div 1 league final on March 30th and Championship starts the following weekend April 5th,6th
Donegal v Derry play that weekend as does Mayo v Sligo and Galway have to fly out to New York.
Once things get up and running you'll hear of plenty in the media saying Donegal,Derry,Galway,Mayo won't want to reach the final. Ridiculous that at least a two week gap isn't in place between the championship and league finals but it appears to be HQ way showing no respect to the provincial councils.
None of them are going to care too much about getting to a league final then, especially given how the league finalists went the last couple of years come summer tine
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 15, 2025, 08:46:42 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on January 15, 2025, 07:00:24 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on January 15, 2025, 06:46:01 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 15, 2025, 04:52:34 PMHow close are the league finals to championship this year?
Div 1 league final on March 30th and Championship starts the following weekend April 5th,6th
Donegal v Derry play that weekend as does Mayo v Sligo and Galway have to fly out to New York.
Once things get up and running you'll hear of plenty in the media saying Donegal,Derry,Galway,Mayo won't want to reach the final. Ridiculous that at least a two week gap isn't in place between the championship and league finals but it appears to be HQ way showing no respect to the provincial councils.
None of them are going to care too much about getting to a league final then, especially given how the league finalists went the last couple of years come summer tine
Armagh did alright
Quote from: Mario on January 15, 2025, 10:13:14 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 15, 2025, 08:46:42 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on January 15, 2025, 07:00:24 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on January 15, 2025, 06:46:01 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 15, 2025, 04:52:34 PMHow close are the league finals to championship this year?
Div 1 league final on March 30th and Championship starts the following weekend April 5th,6th
Donegal v Derry play that weekend as does Mayo v Sligo and Galway have to fly out to New York.
Once things get up and running you'll hear of plenty in the media saying Donegal,Derry,Galway,Mayo won't want to reach the final. Ridiculous that at least a two week gap isn't in place between the championship and league finals but it appears to be HQ way showing no respect to the provincial councils.
None of them are going to care too much about getting to a league final then, especially given how the league finalists went the last couple of years come summer tine
Armagh did alright
D1 obviously. Derry and Dublin was a cracker and most people thought those 2 would meet in the All Ireland. Armagh Donegal was a brutal game and no one expected much from either team after it particularly us. Then both us and Donegal hockeyed Derry within less than 2 months lol
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Div 1 league final on March 30th and Championship starts the following weekend April 5th,6th
Donegal v Derry play that weekend as does Mayo v Sligo and Galway have to fly out to New York.
Once things get up and running you'll hear of plenty in the media saying Donegal,Derry,Galway,Mayo won't want to reach the final. Ridiculous that at least a two week gap isn't in place between the championship and league finals but it appears to be HQ way showing no respect to the provincial councils.
None of them are going to care too much about getting to a league final then, especially given how the league finalists went the last couple of years come summer tine
Armagh did alright
That was a Div 2 final, being in that is a positive.
If you are a contender for Sam then winning Div 2 should not be gruelling, you should be able to rotate players and that kind of thing. But you still win and have forward momentum.
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To win the title Paddy Power odds.
Kerry 11/4
Donegal 9/2
Galway 5/1
Armagh 11/2
Dublin 6/1
Tyrone 13/2
Derry 9/1
Mayo 11/1
Opening round of games
Saturday 25th
Galway v Armagh - 5:15pm
Tyrone v Derry - 6pm
Dublin v Mayo - 7:30pm
Sunday 26th
Kerry v Donegal - 1:45pm
Could have had Armagh Galway at 4.00pm and made a "Super Saturday" out of this on TV. Last years AI finalists and then a big Derby in Ulster would have had alot of neutrals wanting to watch especially given the massive rule changes.
Also the side plot of Mal O'Rourke taking over in Tyrone having left Glen, and Tyrone man Tally taking over in Derry.
Yeah plenty of interesting stories, any of the 8 teams could probably beat each other on a given day.
How close are the league finals to championship this year?
I think in Div 1 this year, Derry and Tyrone are almost 2 complete unknowns.
New management for both.
Derry's collapse last year didn't show the true quality there I believe, but difficult to know if the new manager and change of rules will help or hinder us.
Tyrone believe they have the players to be a top top side, that's debatable in my view given that their better players are still the older ones. The new manager will be a definite plus point. The new rules might suit Tyrone better than most with the agility of the canavans up front.
So loads of question marks over both teams at this stage.
Donegal with Murphy back - remains to be seen what he can bring to the stage at his age, but you can't rule them out with McGuinness being there.
Dublin - we're all waiting for their demise, but even with retirements and a changing of the guard, they are still formidable.
Mayo - will probably be Mayo.
Galway - will feel they had bad luck with injuries last year and will focus on getting players fit for championship so they can give it a rattle. Been knocking on the door of Sam for a while now, you feel it's this year or never for them.
Kerry are always a threat particularly with the Cliffords. Slight change to management structure but I can't see wholesale changes to them. New rules might really suit them with the forwards at their disposal and the ability to hit 2 pointers.
Armagh - 2 in a row? I reckon in the league they'll be happy to retain Div 1 status (as will all teams). Will recent "issues" on a team holiday affect the camp? Will they have the hunger to do it again?
Based on how last year finished up, you'd have to say 2 of Derry, Tyrone and Mayo are favourites for the drop.
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To win the title Paddy Power odds.
Kerry 11/4
Donegal 9/2
Galway 5/1
Armagh 11/2
Dublin 6/1
Tyrone 13/2
Derry 9/1
Mayo 11/1
Opening round of games
Saturday 25th
Galway v Armagh - 5:15pm
Tyrone v Derry - 6pm
Dublin v Mayo - 7:30pm
Sunday 26th
Kerry v Donegal - 1:45pm
Could have had Armagh Galway at 4.00pm and made a "Super Saturday" out of this on TV. Last years AI finalists and then a big Derby in Ulster would have had alot of neutrals wanting to watch especially given the massive rule changes.
Also the side plot of Mal O'Rourke taking over in Tyrone having left Glen, and Tyrone man Tally taking over in Derry.
Yeah plenty of interesting stories, any of the 8 teams could probably beat each other on a given day.
How close are the league finals to championship this year?
I think in Div 1 this year, Derry and Tyrone are almost 2 complete unknowns.
New management for both.
Derry's collapse last year didn't show the true quality there I believe, but difficult to know if the new manager and change of rules will help or hinder us.
Tyrone believe they have the players to be a top top side, that's debatable in my view given that their better players are still the older ones. The new manager will be a definite plus point. The new rules might suit Tyrone better than most with the agility of the canavans up front.
So loads of question marks over both teams at this stage.
Donegal with Murphy back - remains to be seen what he can bring to the stage at his age, but you can't rule them out with McGuinness being there.
Dublin - we're all waiting for their demise, but even with retirements and a changing of the guard, they are still formidable.
Mayo - will probably be Mayo.
Galway - will feel they had bad luck with injuries last year and will focus on getting players fit for championship so they can give it a rattle. Been knocking on the door of Sam for a while now, you feel it's this year or never for them.
Kerry are always a threat particularly with the Cliffords. Slight change to management structure but I can't see wholesale changes to them. New rules might really suit them with the forwards at their disposal and the ability to hit 2 pointers.
Armagh - 2 in a row? I reckon in the league they'll be happy to retain Div 1 status (as will all teams). Will recent "issues" on a team holiday affect the camp? Will they have the hunger to do it again?
Based on how last year finished up, you'd have to say 2 of Derry, Tyrone and Mayo are favourites for the drop.
I'd agree with alot of this. Re the league, Armagh and probably Mayo for the drop. Armagh will fall off a cliff Derry style in '25.
Picking a winner is like pulling the name out of a hat.
Picking a winner of Sam, Kerry or Galway for me this year.
The rest will
Honestly not sure what way we'll go. Don't underestimate the hurt Geezer has from '03 and never winning Sam again as a player.
Think getting over the quarter final hoodoo with Roscommon, then beating a top top team in Kerry and then obviously winning Sam itself with the latter 2 games going down to the wire will have done wonders for the team in terms of mentality and belief.
Could also see us understandably struggling to get back to the levels we were at which required unreal amounts of buy in and effort. Do think we have the players that will suit the new rules, but I'm sure alot of teams be thinking the same. Our fitness and bench will again be a strength I think. Obviously the off field stuff isn't ideal but would trust Geezer to handle it right and not let it affect things as much as is possible.
Think we'll stay up and hopefully this could be the year we finally get over the line in Ulster. As for the All Ireland, I'm sure we'll get to a quarter final at least and after that who knows, think it will take a very good team to beat us.
Personally i can't see Armagh falling off a cliff. They've a big squad and i'm sure there are a lot men that had bit part roles last year that will be looking to push on. As always they will be very hard to beat. Confidence can have a big impact too, they were always the nearly men, not anymore.
Quote from: Mario on January 16, 2025, 11:12:57 AMPersonally i can't see Armagh falling off a cliff. They've a big squad and i'm sure there are a lot men that had bit part roles last year that will be looking to push on. As always they will be very hard to beat. Confidence can have a big impact too, they were always the nearly men, not anymore.
Confidence is key for them I think.
They had that reputation as nearly men as you say, chokers even when it came to penalties. The mental weakness seemed to be their issue. Who knows now, they might have the confidence to push on.
I do think their only objective in the league will be to retain Div 1 status, so I could see them experimenting a little bit or using fringe players.
Seems the normal aim in Div 1 is to stay up.
It becomes a bit of a slow bicycle for teams once that's achieved.
It's really difficult to make predictions unless you're in the know, we'll all prob know the in's and out's of our own Counties but we'll not know what's happening elsewhere. We can only go on what we know from last year and then throw the new rules into place and it's a lottery, what County will be best suited to new rules?.
I think Armagh might just stay in Div 1 just as it's been a short winter for them for obvious reasons. If Galway can get their main men fit and still have the hunger for it then they could be the team to beat. Derry and Tyrone with new managers is hard to know what to expect. Kerry and Dublin will always carry the fav tags and Donegal with our Jimmy will be no doubt knocking on the door, as for Mayo...your guess is as good as mine.
League winners - Kerry
Relegated - Mayo and Tyrone/Derry/Armagh
Armagh have difficult away games in Salthill, Tralee and Ballybofey. But they have 4 games at home and can get enough points to avoid relegation in a well attended Athletic Grounds.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 16, 2025, 11:32:24 AMSeems the normal aim in Div 1 is to stay up.
It becomes a bit of a slow bicycle for teams once that's achieved.
Well summed up however a pity as the GAA if serious about it should have two competitions made important and the league is the best format competition they have.
The new rules leaves me not having a clue what to think here (some would say sure there's no change there :P )
Home games for Armagh will be massive.
One thing i'll be interested to see, is the goalkeeping situation. Does Blaine Hughes lose out to Ethan, to allow him to be the extra man in attack? Hughes was outstanding last year and I dont want to detract from that. The rule changes have just presented an opportunity that Geezer may try to exploit, and I think Ethan might suit that better.
I've no idea what to expect with the NFL this year apart from fully expecting to see as much terrible football under the new rules as I would have under the old rules.
The sideshows with Armagh over the Autumn will hardly help matters, so I wouldn't expect to see much ambition other than trying to stay in D1 and that will certainly be no easy ask. Christ knows who is going to win it and who is going to go down, could be absolutely anybody. Whoever wins the league will probably win it by accident.
Quote from: lurganblue on January 17, 2025, 09:36:51 AMThe new rules leaves me not having a clue what to think here (some would say sure there's no change there :P )
Home games for Armagh will be massive.
One thing i'll be interested to see, is the goalkeeping situation. Does Blaine Hughes lose out to Ethan, to allow him to be the extra man in attack? Hughes was outstanding last year and I dont want to detract from that. The rule changes have just presented an opportunity that Geezer may try to exploit, and I think Ethan might suit that better.
Ethan has serious kick from distance. Maybe a case for trying him as outfield player for the 2 pointers?
Games RTÉ will be showing live.
Saturday 25 January – Galway v Armagh, Salthill, 5.15pm
Saturday 1 February –: Armagh v Tyrone, Athletic Grounds, 6.00pm
Saturday 15 February – Kerry v Dubin, Tralee, 7.30pm
Saturday 1 March – Armagh v Dubin, Athletic Grounds, 7.35pm
Saturday 15 March – Kerry V Armagh, Tralee, 5.30pm
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 17, 2025, 03:17:19 PMGames RTÉ will be showing live.
Saturday 25 January – Galway v Armagh, Salthill, 5.15pm
Saturday 1 February –: Armagh v Tyrone, Athletic Grounds, 6.00pm
Saturday 15 February – Kerry v Dubin, Tralee, 7.30pm
Saturday 1 March – Armagh v Dubin, Athletic Grounds, 7.35pm
Saturday 15 March – Kerry V Armagh, Tralee, 5.30pm
Armagh getting the United treatment here
Quote from: ClubScene13 on January 17, 2025, 04:07:51 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on January 17, 2025, 03:17:19 PMGames RTÉ will be showing live.
Saturday 25 January – Galway v Armagh, Salthill, 5.15pm
Saturday 1 February –: Armagh v Tyrone, Athletic Grounds, 6.00pm
Saturday 15 February – Kerry v Dubin, Tralee, 7.30pm
Saturday 1 March – Armagh v Dubin, Athletic Grounds, 7.35pm
Saturday 15 March – Kerry V Armagh, Tralee, 5.30pm
Armagh getting the United treatment here
They're just trying to make sure the Buckfast Brigade stay at home ;D ;)
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 17, 2025, 04:51:04 PMQuote from: ClubScene13 on January 17, 2025, 04:07:51 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on January 17, 2025, 03:17:19 PMGames RTÉ will be showing live.
Saturday 25 January – Galway v Armagh, Salthill, 5.15pm
Saturday 1 February –: Armagh v Tyrone, Athletic Grounds, 6.00pm
Saturday 15 February – Kerry v Dubin, Tralee, 7.30pm
Saturday 1 March – Armagh v Dubin, Athletic Grounds, 7.35pm
Saturday 15 March – Kerry V Armagh, Tralee, 5.30pm
Armagh getting the United treatment here
They're just trying to make sure the Buckfast Brigade stay at home ;D ;)
The bucky boys don't like the cowl, normally dont see them til an Ulster final lol
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 17, 2025, 03:17:19 PMGames RTÉ will be showing live.
Saturday 25 January – Galway v Armagh, Salthill, 5.15pm
Saturday 1 February –: Armagh v Tyrone, Athletic Grounds, 6.00pm
Saturday 15 February – Kerry v Dubin, Tralee, 7.30pm
Saturday 1 March – Armagh v Dubin, Athletic Grounds, 7.35pm
Saturday 15 March – Kerry V Armagh, Tralee, 5.30pm
Should make my GAAGO overseas subscription worthwhile.
RTE seem to have relegated Mayo from their staple, and replaced them with Armagh.
Felt like we (Derry) were on TV every week last year. A shite championship soon ends that appeal
Quote from: Mario on January 17, 2025, 08:23:30 PMFelt like we (Derry) were on TV every week last year. A shite championship soon ends that appeal
Didn't affect crowds at Celtic Park every home game was well attended, not so much of a buzz this year
Ah shite so our game v Tyrone isn't on tv next Saturday night??
I'm away in Edinburgh next weekend was hoping I could catch the game on a high stool somewhere f**k that anyway!!
Quote from: screenexile on January 19, 2025, 01:33:59 PMAh shite so our game v Tyrone isn't on tv next Saturday night??
I'm away in Edinburgh next weekend was hoping I could catch the game on a high stool somewhere f**k that anyway!!
Live on GAAGO
https://www.gaago.ie/fixture/PL12-25-F-W1B
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To win the title Paddy Power odds.
Kerry 11/4
Donegal 9/2
Galway 5/1
Armagh 11/2
Dublin 6/1
Tyrone 13/2
Derry 9/1
Mayo 11/1
Opening round of games
Saturday 25th
Galway v Armagh - 5:15pm
Tyrone v Derry - 6pm
Dublin v Mayo - 7:30pm
Sunday 26th
Kerry v Donegal - 1:45pm
Beware Dublin at 6/1
Dublin will struggle this year. 9/2 to be relegated. John Small, Mannion, McCaffrey have retired on top of Fenton and McCarthy. Cuala lads will be missing for first couple games too.
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To win the title Paddy Power odds.
Kerry 11/4
Donegal 9/2
Galway 5/1
Armagh 11/2
Dublin 6/1
Tyrone 13/2
Derry 9/1
Mayo 11/1
Opening round of games
Saturday 25th
Galway v Armagh - 5:15pm
Tyrone v Derry - 6pm
Dublin v Mayo - 7:30pm
Sunday 26th
Kerry v Donegal - 1:45pm
Beware Dublin at 6/1
Dublin will struggle this year. 9/2 to be relegated. John Small, Mannion, McCaffrey have retired on top of Fenton and McCarthy. Cuala lads will be missing for first couple games too.
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To win the title Paddy Power odds.
Kerry 11/4
Donegal 9/2
Galway 5/1
Armagh 11/2
Dublin 6/1
Tyrone 13/2
Derry 9/1
Mayo 11/1
Opening round of games
Saturday 25th
Galway v Armagh - 5:15pm
Tyrone v Derry - 6pm
Dublin v Mayo - 7:30pm
Sunday 26th
Kerry v Donegal - 1:45pm
Beware Dublin at 6/1
Dublin will struggle this year. 9/2 to be relegated. John Small, Mannion, McCaffrey have retired on top of Fenton and McCarthy. Cuala lads will be missing for first couple games too.
If retired why hasn't it been published yet?
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To win the title Paddy Power odds.
Kerry 11/4
Donegal 9/2
Galway 5/1
Armagh 11/2
Dublin 6/1
Tyrone 13/2
Derry 9/1
Mayo 11/1
Opening round of games
Saturday 25th
Galway v Armagh - 5:15pm
Tyrone v Derry - 6pm
Dublin v Mayo - 7:30pm
Sunday 26th
Kerry v Donegal - 1:45pm
Beware Dublin at 6/1
Dublin will struggle this year. 9/2 to be relegated. John Small, Mannion, McCaffrey have retired on top of Fenton and McCarthy. Cuala lads will be missing for first couple games too.
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To win the title Paddy Power odds.
Kerry 11/4
Donegal 9/2
Galway 5/1
Armagh 11/2
Dublin 6/1
Tyrone 13/2
Derry 9/1
Mayo 11/1
Opening round of games
Saturday 25th
Galway v Armagh - 5:15pm
Tyrone v Derry - 6pm
Dublin v Mayo - 7:30pm
Sunday 26th
Kerry v Donegal - 1:45pm
Beware Dublin at 6/1
Dublin will struggle this year. 9/2 to be relegated. John Small, Mannion, McCaffrey have retired on top of Fenton and McCarthy. Cuala lads will be missing for first couple games too.
If retired why hasn't it been published yet?
Hasn't been announced yet but they are not back. Talk of Paddy Small not involved either. Cluxton will be back.
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To win the title Paddy Power odds.
Kerry 11/4
Donegal 9/2
Galway 5/1
Armagh 11/2
Dublin 6/1
Tyrone 13/2
Derry 9/1
Mayo 11/1
Opening round of games
Saturday 25th
Galway v Armagh - 5:15pm
Tyrone v Derry - 6pm
Dublin v Mayo - 7:30pm
Sunday 26th
Kerry v Donegal - 1:45pm
Beware Dublin at 6/1
Dublin will struggle this year. 9/2 to be relegated. John Small, Mannion, McCaffrey have retired on top of Fenton and McCarthy. Cuala lads will be missing for first couple games too.
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To win the title Paddy Power odds.
Kerry 11/4
Donegal 9/2
Galway 5/1
Armagh 11/2
Dublin 6/1
Tyrone 13/2
Derry 9/1
Mayo 11/1
Opening round of games
Saturday 25th
Galway v Armagh - 5:15pm
Tyrone v Derry - 6pm
Dublin v Mayo - 7:30pm
Sunday 26th
Kerry v Donegal - 1:45pm
Beware Dublin at 6/1
Dublin will struggle this year. 9/2 to be relegated. John Small, Mannion, McCaffrey have retired on top of Fenton and McCarthy. Cuala lads will be missing for first couple games too.
If retired why hasn't it been published yet?
Hasn't been announced yet but they are not back. Talk of Paddy Small not involved either. Cluxton will be back.
Retired or just not going yo be playing first few league games?
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 19, 2025, 02:31:38 PMQuote from: screenexile on January 19, 2025, 01:33:59 PMAh shite so our game v Tyrone isn't on tv next Saturday night??
I'm away in Edinburgh next weekend was hoping I could catch the game on a high stool somewhere f**k that anyway!!
Live on GAAGO
https://www.gaago.ie/fixture/PL12-25-F-W1B
Good man!! Even better GAAgo is saying it's BBC coverage which should make it easier.
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To win the title Paddy Power odds.
Kerry 11/4
Donegal 9/2
Galway 5/1
Armagh 11/2
Dublin 6/1
Tyrone 13/2
Derry 9/1
Mayo 11/1
Opening round of games
Saturday 25th
Galway v Armagh - 5:15pm
Tyrone v Derry - 6pm
Dublin v Mayo - 7:30pm
Sunday 26th
Kerry v Donegal - 1:45pm
Beware Dublin at 6/1
Dublin will struggle this year. 9/2 to be relegated. John Small, Mannion, McCaffrey have retired on top of Fenton and McCarthy. Cuala lads will be missing for first couple games too.
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To win the title Paddy Power odds.
Kerry 11/4
Donegal 9/2
Galway 5/1
Armagh 11/2
Dublin 6/1
Tyrone 13/2
Derry 9/1
Mayo 11/1
Opening round of games
Saturday 25th
Galway v Armagh - 5:15pm
Tyrone v Derry - 6pm
Dublin v Mayo - 7:30pm
Sunday 26th
Kerry v Donegal - 1:45pm
Beware Dublin at 6/1
Dublin will struggle this year. 9/2 to be relegated. John Small, Mannion, McCaffrey have retired on top of Fenton and McCarthy. Cuala lads will be missing for first couple games too.
If retired why hasn't it been published yet?
Hasn't been announced yet but they are not back. Talk of Paddy Small not involved either. Cluxton will be back.
Retired or just not going yo be playing first few league games?
I would say J.Small, McCaffrey and Mannion are all retired. All will be 32 this year.
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To win the title Paddy Power odds.
Kerry 11/4
Donegal 9/2
Galway 5/1
Armagh 11/2
Dublin 6/1
Tyrone 13/2
Derry 9/1
Mayo 11/1
Opening round of games
Saturday 25th
Galway v Armagh - 5:15pm
Tyrone v Derry - 6pm
Dublin v Mayo - 7:30pm
Sunday 26th
Kerry v Donegal - 1:45pm
Beware Dublin at 6/1
Dublin will struggle this year. 9/2 to be relegated. John Small, Mannion, McCaffrey have retired on top of Fenton and McCarthy. Cuala lads will be missing for first couple games too.
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To win the title Paddy Power odds.
Kerry 11/4
Donegal 9/2
Galway 5/1
Armagh 11/2
Dublin 6/1
Tyrone 13/2
Derry 9/1
Mayo 11/1
Opening round of games
Saturday 25th
Galway v Armagh - 5:15pm
Tyrone v Derry - 6pm
Dublin v Mayo - 7:30pm
Sunday 26th
Kerry v Donegal - 1:45pm
Beware Dublin at 6/1
Dublin will struggle this year. 9/2 to be relegated. John Small, Mannion, McCaffrey have retired on top of Fenton and McCarthy. Cuala lads will be missing for first couple games too.
If retired why hasn't it been published yet?
Hasn't been announced yet but they are not back. Talk of Paddy Small not involved either. Cluxton will be back.
Retired or just not going yo be playing first few league games?
I would say J.Small, McCaffrey and Mannion are all retired. All will be 32 this year.
A lot younger than some Dublin players who retired recent years
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To win the title Paddy Power odds.
Kerry 11/4
Donegal 9/2
Galway 5/1
Armagh 11/2
Dublin 6/1
Tyrone 13/2
Derry 9/1
Mayo 11/1
Opening round of games
Saturday 25th
Galway v Armagh - 5:15pm
Tyrone v Derry - 6pm
Dublin v Mayo - 7:30pm
Sunday 26th
Kerry v Donegal - 1:45pm
Beware Dublin at 6/1
Dublin will struggle this year. 9/2 to be relegated. John Small, Mannion, McCaffrey have retired on top of Fenton and McCarthy. Cuala lads will be missing for first couple games too.
Quote from: Gael85 on January 19, 2025, 03:06:54 PMQuote from: seafoid on January 15, 2025, 04:48:09 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on January 15, 2025, 04:10:17 PM10 days away.
To win the title Paddy Power odds.
Kerry 11/4
Donegal 9/2
Galway 5/1
Armagh 11/2
Dublin 6/1
Tyrone 13/2
Derry 9/1
Mayo 11/1
Opening round of games
Saturday 25th
Galway v Armagh - 5:15pm
Tyrone v Derry - 6pm
Dublin v Mayo - 7:30pm
Sunday 26th
Kerry v Donegal - 1:45pm
Beware Dublin at 6/1
Dublin will struggle this year. 9/2 to be relegated. John Small, Mannion, McCaffrey have retired on top of Fenton and McCarthy. Cuala lads will be missing for first couple games too.
If retired why hasn't it been published yet?
Hasn't been announced yet but they are not back. Talk of Paddy Small not involved either. Cluxton will be back.
Retired or just not going yo be playing first few league games?
I would say J.Small, McCaffrey and Mannion are all retired. All will be 32 this year.
Only cubs yet, sure look who won footballer of the year there. Although the hunger mightnt be therr with the wheelbarrows of medals those lads have. You would think they'll be persuaded to give it another year just with the other retirements already happening. Will today finish Fitzsimons on a high?
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To win the title Paddy Power odds.
Kerry 11/4
Donegal 9/2
Galway 5/1
Armagh 11/2
Dublin 6/1
Tyrone 13/2
Derry 9/1
Mayo 11/1
Opening round of games
Saturday 25th
Galway v Armagh - 5:15pm
Tyrone v Derry - 6pm
Dublin v Mayo - 7:30pm
Sunday 26th
Kerry v Donegal - 1:45pm
Beware Dublin at 6/1
Dublin will struggle this year. 9/2 to be relegated. John Small, Mannion, McCaffrey have retired on top of Fenton and McCarthy. Cuala lads will be missing for first couple games too.
Quote from: Gael85 on January 19, 2025, 03:06:54 PMQuote from: seafoid on January 15, 2025, 04:48:09 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on January 15, 2025, 04:10:17 PM10 days away.
To win the title Paddy Power odds.
Kerry 11/4
Donegal 9/2
Galway 5/1
Armagh 11/2
Dublin 6/1
Tyrone 13/2
Derry 9/1
Mayo 11/1
Opening round of games
Saturday 25th
Galway v Armagh - 5:15pm
Tyrone v Derry - 6pm
Dublin v Mayo - 7:30pm
Sunday 26th
Kerry v Donegal - 1:45pm
Beware Dublin at 6/1
Dublin will struggle this year. 9/2 to be relegated. John Small, Mannion, McCaffrey have retired on top of Fenton and McCarthy. Cuala lads will be missing for first couple games too.
If retired why hasn't it been published yet?
Hasn't been announced yet but they are not back. Talk of Paddy Small not involved either. Cluxton will be back.
Retired or just not going yo be playing first few league games?
I would say J.Small, McCaffrey and Mannion are all retired. All will be 32 this year.
A lot younger than some Dublin players who retired recent years
A lot of mileage in them lads. In the senior set up straight out of minor.
Any good Last man standing prize pots out there 8)
Storm due this weekend putting all games in doubt, with such a congested season little wiggle room to reschedule games
Quote from: Cunny Funt on January 20, 2025, 06:26:10 PMStorm due this weekend putting all games in doubt, with such a congested season little wiggle room to reschedule games
Sunday seems likely to be worse than Saturday,
Mind being down in Healy for a Sat night drawn league game about 8 years ago, thought the roof was going to blow off the stand... Hectic enough night
Salthill will be nice!
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 20, 2025, 07:32:44 PMSalthill will be nice!
it will be about 28C colder than our 2013 visit.
Clock-hooter will only apply to Division 1 football games this weekend. Not a good look regardless of reasons given.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41557729.html
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 21, 2025, 09:25:19 AMAn extra match official will be required at some venues to administer the clock/hooter meaning six in total will be required – referee, two linesmen, two umpires, fourth official and clock official – and seven in Croke Park where a HawkEye official communicates with the referee regarding score detection.
Four umpires surely?
Quote from: DuffleKing on January 21, 2025, 09:39:31 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on January 21, 2025, 09:25:19 AMAn extra match official will be required at some venues to administer the clock/hooter meaning six in total will be required – referee, two linesmen, two umpires, fourth official and clock official – and seven in Croke Park where a HawkEye official communicates with the referee regarding score detection.
Four umpires surely?
Yep - but their maths already doesnt add up. Ref, 2 x linesmen, 2 x umpires, 4th Official and clock official = 7.
As you rightly say, there should be 4 umpires which brings it up to 9.
Well written article lol.
That's a sh*tshow with the hooters. I think its the right option to have it, but it needs to be everywhere or nowhere.
Usually we'd be trying to predict results at this stage of entering the league, but to be honest, I haven't a baldy what to expect from any team. But here are my completely made up predictions anyway.
Saturday 25th
Galway v Armagh - Armagh by 4 (just because they are current AI holders and will not want to lose their first game)
Tyrone v Derry - Derry by 4 (no Errigal players I'd imagine which means no Canavans or Harte - so Tyrone to struggle up front)
Dublin v Mayo - Mayo by 8 (no Cuala players and a some retirements, and Dublin are usually beatable early in the league)
Sunday 26th
Kerry v Donegal - Donegal by 6 (Michael Murphy Part 2 and Kerry in the early league are not best friends).
With the new rules (and some new management teams) all bets are off and any team could get hammered by any other team.
Not sure about Derry for this weekend.
I take it Clucky and McGrogan are still out? No McKinless. Will we keep Glass and Rogers at MF? Do we have anyone new to bring into the forward line? I'm hoping JD but is there anyone else?
Tyrone will be without the Errigal lads too and I'm sure an injury here or there so I'm hoping it'll be a decent game. They had a head start on us with management and the new rules so will be interesting to see who adapts better.
I honestly have no clue how it'll go.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 20, 2025, 07:36:53 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 20, 2025, 07:32:44 PMSalthill will be nice!
it will be about 28C colder than our 2013 visit.
God yeah that was one roaster of a day!
Galway v Armagh - Galway - Hard to call. Being in Galway, and given the hurt from last July you would imagine they will be out to give their fans a result. Very little in these teams.
Tyrone v Derry - Tyrone - There has been a lot of hype around the team with a new manager, players returning etc. They will aim to hit the ground also after the past few years.
Dublin v Mayo - Mayo - I suspect Dublin will take a few games to figure themselves out given the personal gone from last year.
Kerry v Donegal - Donegal - Scalping Kerry would be ideal for McGuinness and instilling belief into his team for their overall aspirations.
For the early part of the league, it will boil down to whoever adapts the fastest to the rules, and that may decide most fixtures for the first 2/3 rounds.
Donegal to reach the league final.
Derry to drop down.
Quote from: screenexile on January 21, 2025, 10:54:12 AMNot sure about Derry for this weekend.
I take it Clucky and McGrogan are still out? No McKinless. Will we keep Glass and Rogers at MF? Do we have anyone new to bring into the forward line? I'm hoping JD but is there anyone else?
Tyrone will be without the Errigal lads too and I'm sure an injury here or there so I'm hoping it'll be a decent game. They had a head start on us with management and the new rules so will be interesting to see who adapts better.
I honestly have no clue how it'll go.
Tyrone without Hampsey and Bradley anyway as well as the Errigal boys. Mattie Donnelly back for another year, have Seanie O'Donnell flying for St Mary's in the Sigerson and Rory Brennan back in the fold. McCurry and McElholm you would hope will thrive in the new rules on Saturday.
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 21, 2025, 10:04:38 AMQuote from: DuffleKing on January 21, 2025, 09:39:31 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on January 21, 2025, 09:25:19 AMAn extra match official will be required at some venues to administer the clock/hooter meaning six in total will be required – referee, two linesmen, two umpires, fourth official and clock official – and seven in Croke Park where a HawkEye official communicates with the referee regarding score detection.
Four umpires surely?
Yep - but their maths already doesnt add up. Ref, 2 x linesmen, 2 x umpires, 4th Official and clock official = 7.
As you rightly say, there should be 4 umpires which brings it up to 9.
Well written article lol.
That's a sh*tshow with the hooters. I think its the right option to have it, but it needs to be everywhere or nowhere.
Same article states hooters should be ready by the end of March even though the round 7 games are then.
Totally agree everywhere or nowhere and HQ have told us some rules might be scrapped at the end of this competition, it's not right to use the NFL as a Guinea pig competition when it's now connected to the championship and for some counties a more important competition for their development.
Jaysus lads, Donegal haven't won down in Kerry in decades.
That pairing pretty much always goes to the home team.
Galway v Armagh - Galway - Galway at home will take the 2 points in a close enough game. Armagh to go down with Donegal
Tyrone v Derry - DRAW - we're shy a half back line, Tyrone shy a few forwards, though there's Dazzler, McElholm, Bradley, M Donnelly so they will still be v dangerous. Will be very interesting to see the Derry starting and finishing 15 on Sat evening
Dublin v Mayo - Dublin- Dublin by a couple in a tight game
Kerry v Donegal - Kerry - highly doubt the Clifford will be rested this year. Donegal are being way over blown, McGuinness or no McGuinness, they do well to avoid relegation and get out of the 1/4s
Tyrone haven't beat us in years and I'm not expecting that to change on Sat night.
Quote from: JoG2 on January 21, 2025, 09:40:17 PMGalway v Armagh - Galway - Galway at home will take the 2 points in a close enough game. Armagh to go down with Donegal
Tyrone v Derry - DRAW - we're shy a half back line, Tyrone shy a few forwards, though there's Dazzler, McElholm, Bradley, M Donnelly so they will still be v dangerous. Will be very interesting to see the Derry starting and finishing 15 on Sat evening
Dublin v Mayo - Dublin- Dublin by a couple in a tight game
Kerry v Donegal - Kerry - highly doubt the Clifford will be rested this year. Donegal are being way over blown, McGuinness or no McGuinness, they do well to avoid relegation and get out of the 1/4s
Was listening to OTB and James O'Donoghue says the Cliffords aren't back yet, could be cute hoorism though. The Stacks and Crokes lads aren't going to feature either he says. So who knows. Think Donegal are ahead of Tyrone and Derry in terms of avoiding the drop.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 21, 2025, 09:48:50 PMQuote from: JoG2 on January 21, 2025, 09:40:17 PMGalway v Armagh - Galway - Galway at home will take the 2 points in a close enough game. Armagh to go down with Donegal
Tyrone v Derry - DRAW - we're shy a half back line, Tyrone shy a few forwards, though there's Dazzler, McElholm, Bradley, M Donnelly so they will still be v dangerous. Will be very interesting to see the Derry starting and finishing 15 on Sat evening
Dublin v Mayo - Dublin- Dublin by a couple in a tight game
Kerry v Donegal - Kerry - highly doubt the Clifford will be rested this year. Donegal are being way over blown, McGuinness or no McGuinness, they do well to avoid relegation and get out of the 1/4s
Was listening to OTB and James O'Donoghue says the Cliffords aren't back yet, could be cute hoorism though. The Stacks and Crokes lads aren't going to feature either he says. So who knows. Think Donegal are ahead of Tyrone and Derry in terms of avoiding the drop.
Donegal are hard to beat at home, and that gives a platform for not getting relegated.
Armagh have 4 games at home, likewise a platform for not getting relegated.
Dessie Farrell
"We've gone through a fairly extensive trialling process for club players over the last couple of months," "We got a development squad up and running then to allow players additional time for further assessment and obviously then we made decisions around who we are bringing into this year's panel.
"We have 16 new players in total so it's an interesting time for them. It's great to see new faces and plenty of energy around the place as well. There's some exciting prospects and we hope to use the league campaign this year to give them plenty of exposure and experience and to build towards the Championship."
Farrell confirmed that defender David Byrne is back on the panel after a year out while former hurling full-back Eoghan O'Donnell has switched to the footballers for the second time in his career.
"It's great to have those two lads, plenty of experience there and they're obviously very experienced and dedicated and know what it's about at this level," said Farrell. "We have James Madden of course from the AFL who has joined us this year. He's moved back home. Again, it's a very different sport for him and he's taking his time to get used to it but he's enjoying his time and we're enjoying working with him."
On the new rules, Farrell said the GAA has been 'bold and brave' by trying to introduce so many changes at the one time.
"I'm all for it, I have to say," said the 2020 and 2023 All-Ireland winning manager. "Our players are definitely enjoying it. It's still very much a learning process. We don't have that much data to go on, a couple of challenge games, but they're still slightly different to real competition."
I say Derrys input in the league will be barely minimal, (especially with just 3 home games) maybe even regelated, and sole focus be on the Donegal game, and return the favour from last year. They very under the radar, with manager appointed so late, don't even know who was brought onto the panel.
Doesn't matter if u get relegated, Armagh proved u can win an all-Ireland from division 2.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 22, 2025, 12:55:39 AMDoesn't matter if u get relegated, Armagh proved u can win an all-Ireland from division 2.
True, as did Dublin. But in the year you are actually relegated it can be tough to swing the momentum back. Division 2 also gives you a better chance to blood new players.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 21, 2025, 09:48:50 PMQuote from: JoG2 on January 21, 2025, 09:40:17 PMGalway v Armagh - Galway - Galway at home will take the 2 points in a close enough game. Armagh to go down with Donegal
Tyrone v Derry - DRAW - we're shy a half back line, Tyrone shy a few forwards, though there's Dazzler, McElholm, Bradley, M Donnelly so they will still be v dangerous. Will be very interesting to see the Derry starting and finishing 15 on Sat evening
Dublin v Mayo - Dublin- Dublin by a couple in a tight game
Kerry v Donegal - Kerry - highly doubt the Clifford will be rested this year. Donegal are being way over blown, McGuinness or no McGuinness, they do well to avoid relegation and get out of the 1/4s
Was listening to OTB and James O'Donoghue says the Cliffords aren't back yet, could be cute hoorism though. The Stacks and Crokes lads aren't going to feature either he says. So who knows. Think Donegal are ahead of Tyrone and Derry in terms of avoiding the drop.
Jack O'Connor has came out and publicly said he is giving D Clifford an extended break.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 21, 2025, 10:32:03 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 21, 2025, 09:48:50 PMQuote from: JoG2 on January 21, 2025, 09:40:17 PMGalway v Armagh - Galway - Galway at home will take the 2 points in a close enough game. Armagh to go down with Donegal
Tyrone v Derry - DRAW - we're shy a half back line, Tyrone shy a few forwards, though there's Dazzler, McElholm, Bradley, M Donnelly so they will still be v dangerous. Will be very interesting to see the Derry starting and finishing 15 on Sat evening
Dublin v Mayo - Dublin- Dublin by a couple in a tight game
Kerry v Donegal - Kerry - highly doubt the Clifford will be rested this year. Donegal are being way over blown, McGuinness or no McGuinness, they do well to avoid relegation and get out of the 1/4s
Was listening to OTB and James O'Donoghue says the Cliffords aren't back yet, could be cute hoorism though. The Stacks and Crokes lads aren't going to feature either he says. So who knows. Think Donegal are ahead of Tyrone and Derry in terms of avoiding the drop.
Donegal are hard to beat at home, and that gives a platform for not getting relegated.
Armagh have 4 games at home, likewise a platform for not getting relegated.
Is Donegal's record in Ballyshannon similar to MacCumhaill Park?
Just checked, Donegal are playing all their home games in MacCumhaill Park except the Derry game which is in Ballyshannon...mon Jim, you're over thinking this
Quote from: JoG2 on January 22, 2025, 08:54:22 AMIs Donegal's record in Ballyshannon similar to MacCumhaill Park?
Just checked, Donegal are playing all their home games in MacCumhaill Park except the Derry game which is in Ballyshannon...mon Jim, you're over thinking this
There may be an expectation of moving some league games to other grounds, although neighbours Derry are not noted for a big support or the need to accommodate thousands of season ticket holders.
Galway v Armagh - Draw - Tight game which has been the case in the last few meetings, Armagh champs and Galway at home...draw it is
Tyrone v Derry - Tyrone - Think Tyrone could just edge this one but wouldn't rule out another draw here either, as I don't know team news it's a guessing game
Dublin v Mayo - Dublin- Dublin by a few but another close game
Kerry v Donegal - Kerry - Kerry are hard to beat at home, Donegal are not great away from their Fort Knox so Kerry by 3-4
Quote from: armaghniac on January 22, 2025, 09:01:44 AMQuote from: JoG2 on January 22, 2025, 08:54:22 AMIs Donegal's record in Ballyshannon similar to MacCumhaill Park?
Just checked, Donegal are playing all their home games in MacCumhaill Park except the Derry game which is in Ballyshannon...mon Jim, you're over thinking this
There may be an expectation of moving some league games to other grounds, although neighbours Derry are not noted for a big support or the need to accommodate thousands of season ticket holders.
Would say it's more down to the fact that we're in MacCumhaill Park for the Championship opener
And everyone looking forward to the new rules? Will probably bring the attendances up and the noise levels up a bit once the 9 officials miss something or when the supporters misunderstand the rule ;D
Quote from: JoG2 on January 22, 2025, 10:19:46 AMQuote from: armaghniac on January 22, 2025, 09:01:44 AMQuote from: JoG2 on January 22, 2025, 08:54:22 AMIs Donegal's record in Ballyshannon similar to MacCumhaill Park?
Just checked, Donegal are playing all their home games in MacCumhaill Park except the Derry game which is in Ballyshannon...mon Jim, you're over thinking this
There may be an expectation of moving some league games to other grounds, although neighbours Derry are not noted for a big support or the need to accommodate thousands of season ticket holders.
Would say it's more down to the fact that we're in MacCumhaill Park for the Championship opener
Donegal v Tyrone down for Letterkenny
Don't Donegal give Letterkenny and Ballyshannon a League game every year?
Quote from: Rossfan on January 22, 2025, 10:58:20 AMDon't Donegal give Letterkenny and Ballyshannon a League game every year?
Ballyshannon 15 Vs Donegal 15 would be fairly one-sided you'd imagine! ;)
Quote from: Rossfan on January 22, 2025, 10:58:20 AMDon't Donegal give Letterkenny and Ballyshannon a League game every year?
We do indeed. With O'Donnell Park in Letterkenny being very far from a fortress for us.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 22, 2025, 10:58:20 AMDon't Donegal give Letterkenny and Ballyshannon a League game every year?
Yes, and our record in Letterkenny is almost as bad as our record down in Kerry! ;D
Quote from: JoG2 on January 22, 2025, 08:54:22 AMQuote from: armaghniac on January 21, 2025, 10:32:03 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 21, 2025, 09:48:50 PMQuote from: JoG2 on January 21, 2025, 09:40:17 PMGalway v Armagh - Galway - Galway at home will take the 2 points in a close enough game. Armagh to go down with Donegal
Tyrone v Derry - DRAW - we're shy a half back line, Tyrone shy a few forwards, though there's Dazzler, McElholm, Bradley, M Donnelly so they will still be v dangerous. Will be very interesting to see the Derry starting and finishing 15 on Sat evening
Dublin v Mayo - Dublin- Dublin by a couple in a tight game
Kerry v Donegal - Kerry - highly doubt the Clifford will be rested this year. Donegal are being way over blown, McGuinness or no McGuinness, they do well to avoid relegation and get out of the 1/4s
Was listening to OTB and James O'Donoghue says the Cliffords aren't back yet, could be cute hoorism though. The Stacks and Crokes lads aren't going to feature either he says. So who knows. Think Donegal are ahead of Tyrone and Derry in terms of avoiding the drop.
Donegal are hard to beat at home, and that gives a platform for not getting relegated.
Armagh have 4 games at home, likewise a platform for not getting relegated.
Is Donegal's record in Ballyshannon similar to MacCumhaill Park?
Just checked, Donegal are playing all their home games in MacCumhaill Park except the Derry game which is in Ballyshannon...mon Jim, you're over thinking this
Would have thought they'd do the Derry game in Letterkenny, both to be neighbourly, but also due to the fact that we've a terrible record there. Might as well use that one to protect our hand for the more important stuff later!
Any chance of games being off at the weekend?
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 22, 2025, 01:44:12 PMAny chance of games being off at the weekend?
Because of the wind?
Sunday the storm will have past, not as bad on the Sat
Will Saturday games get played on Sunday or called off until the 8th/9th of February?
Thought it was just Friday the weather is supposed to be bad?
Quote from: clarshack on January 22, 2025, 07:23:02 PMThought it was just Friday the weather is supposed to be bad?
Looks the worst will be in the rear view mirror by Friday evening... Omagh will still be grim on Sat
Quote from: JoG2 on January 22, 2025, 07:28:08 PMQuote from: clarshack on January 22, 2025, 07:23:02 PMThought it was just Friday the weather is supposed to be bad?
Looks the worst will be in the rear view mirror by Friday evening... Omagh will still be grim on Sat
It's generally grim the other 364 ;)
Given the team Kerry are likely to put out on Sunday Donegal should be winning if they are anywhere near full strength and harbour any ambitions this year. Kerry aiming to stay up and blood a lot of players in the league this year more or less.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on January 23, 2025, 12:36:14 AMGiven the team Kerry are likely to put out on Sunday Donegal should be winning if they are anywhere near full strength and harbour any ambitions this year. Kerry aiming to stay up and blood a lot of players in the league this year more or less.
Ah yes, it's that time of the year again ... where something in the Kerry DNA makes them feel that clumsy downplaying of their ambitions and prospects is required at every opportunity.
Quote from: StephenC on January 23, 2025, 10:46:44 AMQuote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on January 23, 2025, 12:36:14 AMGiven the team Kerry are likely to put out on Sunday Donegal should be winning if they are anywhere near full strength and harbour any ambitions this year. Kerry aiming to stay up and blood a lot of players in the league this year more or less.
Ah yes, it's that time of the year again ... where something in the Kerry DNA makes them feel that clumsy downplaying of their ambitions and prospects is required at every opportunity.
Happened last year too. We weren't meant to see the Clifford's until March. An opening night defeat to Derry and everyone was back for the next game.
Looks like I will be on an extended drive on Saturday, does anyone know if there will be radio commentary for the Armagh/Galway game, streamable overseas.
Quote from: Mario on January 23, 2025, 11:06:08 AMQuote from: StephenC on January 23, 2025, 10:46:44 AMQuote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on January 23, 2025, 12:36:14 AMGiven the team Kerry are likely to put out on Sunday Donegal should be winning if they are anywhere near full strength and harbour any ambitions this year. Kerry aiming to stay up and blood a lot of players in the league this year more or less.
Ah yes, it's that time of the year again ... where something in the Kerry DNA makes them feel that clumsy downplaying of their ambitions and prospects is required at every opportunity.
Happened last year too. We weren't meant to see the Clifford's until March. An opening night defeat to Derry and everyone was back for the next game.
That's true and that was part of where things started to go pear shaped to be quite honest.
The Kerry team this Sunday will have no Cliffords, Tony Brosnan, Paul Geaney, Gavin White, Joe O'Connor, Dara Moynihan from team that started semi final v Armagh last year plus Dylan Geaney, Cillian Burke, Dylan Casey, Stephen O'Brien who came on are unavailable. Evan Looney, Armin Heinrich, Joey Nagle, Keith Evans, Eddie Healy, Seán O'Brien who will all be involved at some stage are unavailable due to club or Sigerson commitments.
So as I said, it's going to be a very patched up Kerry team but it's still a good chance for the likes of Killian Spillane and some younger guys to show what they can do.
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Strong enough side, Tierney at 14 interesting selection of plays there.
See we're giving a good few lads chances that would have been in and around the squad last year but not played much, both in the 15 and 26.
Still plenty of quality there and be interesting to see how the new lads go, few big hitters to come back yet.
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From the All Ireland final Armagh have 10 same starters Blaine Hughes; Barry McCambridge, Aidan Forker, Connaire Mackin, Tiernan Kelly, Niall Grimley, Ben Crealey; Rory Grugan, Andrew Murnin, Oisín Conaty.
And Galway have 8 same starters Connor Gleeson, Seán Fitzgerald, Johnny McGrath; Dylan McHugh; Paul Conroy; Matthew Tierney, Céin D'Arcy, Cillian McDaid.
If I had the chance to decide The round 1 fixtures in terms of entertainment, these would be the exact 4 fixtures I'd choose. Galway vs Armagh- a repeat of the all Ireland final with both fancying to be up there again come the end of the season.
Tyrone vs Derry - 2 new managers with orourke winning an all Ireland with a Derry club and paddy tally being a Tyrone man and playing a huge part in Tyrone winning their first Sam managing Derry.
Dublin vs Mayo - good historic rival with both teams being in a bit of a transition.
Kerry vs Dublin - many see the 2 of them as favourites for Sam this year. Plus be interesting to see Murphy and Clifford with these new rules.
Quote from: Easttyrone23 on January 24, 2025, 01:10:27 AMIf I had the chance to decide The round 1 fixtures in terms of entertainment, these would be the exact 4 fixtures I'd choose. Galway vs Armagh- a repeat of the all Ireland final with both fancying to be up there again come the end of the season.
Tyrone vs Derry - 2 new managers with orourke winning an all Ireland with a Derry club and paddy tally being a Tyrone man and playing a huge part in Tyrone winning their first Sam managing Derry.
Dublin vs Mayo - good historic rival with both teams being in a bit of a transition.
Kerry vs Dublin - many see the 2 of them as favourites for Sam this year. Plus be interesting to see Murphy and Clifford with these new rules.
Agreed, good set of fixtures. Pity the GAA still haven't learned how to publicise the start of the competition!
There's barely a word about it anywhere.
Quote from: StephenC on January 23, 2025, 10:46:44 AMQuote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on January 23, 2025, 12:36:14 AMGiven the team Kerry are likely to put out on Sunday Donegal should be winning if they are anywhere near full strength and harbour any ambitions this year. Kerry aiming to stay up and blood a lot of players in the league this year more or less.
Ah yes, it's that time of the year again ... where something in the Kerry DNA makes them feel that clumsy downplaying of their ambitions and prospects is required at every opportunity.
Plus, I don't know if it's the long journey, or the weekend away or what, but these match-ups almost always go to the home team. We even beat Kerry in Ballybofey for poor Paddy Carr's only win!
Cork are always dire when they come up to Donegal and we're only marginally better down there.
Quote from: Easttyrone23 on January 24, 2025, 01:10:27 AMIf I had the chance to decide The round 1 fixtures in terms of entertainment, these would be the exact 4 fixtures I'd choose. Galway vs Armagh- a repeat of the all Ireland final with both fancying to be up there again come the end of the season.
Tyrone vs Derry - 2 new managers with orourke winning an all Ireland with a Derry club and paddy tally being a Tyrone man and playing a huge part in Tyrone winning their first Sam managing Derry.
Dublin vs Mayo - good historic rival with both teams being in a bit of a transition.
Kerry vs Dublin - many see the 2 of them as favourites for Sam this year. Plus be interesting to see Murphy and Clifford with these new rules.
Dublin fielding 2 teams now? :D
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 24, 2025, 11:37:28 AMQuote from: Easttyrone23 on January 24, 2025, 01:10:27 AMIf I had the chance to decide The round 1 fixtures in terms of entertainment, these would be the exact 4 fixtures I'd choose. Galway vs Armagh- a repeat of the all Ireland final with both fancying to be up there again come the end of the season.
Tyrone vs Derry - 2 new managers with orourke winning an all Ireland with a Derry club and paddy tally being a Tyrone man and playing a huge part in Tyrone winning their first Sam managing Derry.
Dublin vs Mayo - good historic rival with both teams being in a bit of a transition.
Kerry vs Dublin - many see the 2 of them as favourites for Sam this year. Plus be interesting to see Murphy and Clifford with these new rules.
Dublin fielding 2 teams now? :D
They finally split it in two I guess.
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Strong Armagh line up also with 10 of the AI winning team starting.
McCormack getting a start is a surprise, but is very quick and maybe something Geezer wanted to look at for 1 v 1 defending. Not sure what the story is with Burns, McKay, McGrane, but Murphy be the only out and out defender on the bench so look a bit light to me on defenders at the minute. (Would counteract that with Galway not having main 3 scoring threats starting and Maher on bench as well).
The other 4 lads not starting will have points to prove, McCabe has been a solid player for a long time but his discipline is what lets him down on occasions, McMullen started league final but saw no real football outside of that, McConville has been very good at club level for a number of seasons be interesting to see if can make step up and Campbell will be keen to nail down a starting place and allow someone else to take on role of "impact player".
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Strong Armagh line up also with 10 of the AI winning team starting.
McCormack getting a start is a surprise, but is very quick and maybe something Geezer wanted to look at for 1 v 1 defending. Not sure what the story is with Burns, McKay, McGrane, but Murphy be the only out and out defender on the bench so look a bit light to me on defenders at the minute. (Would counteract that with Galway not having main 3 scoring threats starting and Maher on bench as well).
The other 4 lads not starting will have points to prove, McCabe has been a solid player for a long time but his discipline is what lets him down on occasions, McMullen started league final but saw no real football outside of that, McConville has been very good at club level for a number of seasons be interesting to see if can make step up and Campbell will be keen to nail down a starting place and allow someone else to take on role of "impact player".
As I understand it Mossy has been flying in the challenge games and has scored a few nice points along the way. Maybe in there on form. Lot missing from the squad there to the ones you've mentioned plus McIlroy and Oisin. Any ideas where they are.
McKay carrying a knock I think, wouldn't have minded if Campbell/Murnin/Grugan/Forker seen little or no league football, keep the bodies right for the business end. Would Fergal O'Brien not be a defender?
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 24, 2025, 04:25:15 PMMcKay carrying a knock I think, wouldn't have minded if Campbell/Murnin/Grugan/Forker seen little or no league football, keep the bodies right for the business end. Would Fergal O'Brien not be a defender?
Yes he would be but more of an attacking wing back/line breaker than out and out defender.Think could have been playing in middle in sigerson this year for St Mary's.
Where is the best place to park in Galway. I was going to try St Enda's school but according to Galway GAA parking is not available there.
As expected, Kerry-Donegal off due to storm Éowyn
The lack of coverage about these historic games is mad. Not even a team sheet out for either Tyrone or Derry, I've seen no ads on social media. No preview shows on TV. Outside of a handful of podcasts you wouldn't know these games were even happening.
Tyrone-Derry still going ahead? Bad snow in the east of the county, how's things in omagh?
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 25, 2025, 10:46:36 AMTyrone-Derry still going ahead? Bad snow in the east of the county, how's things in omagh?
Heavy enough in Omagh when passing through earlier. Can't see it going ahead.
Game definitely going ahead, st Endas put a post up on FB an hour ago. Tyrone team named, some turnover from last year...
Morgan
Niall Devlin
Nathan McCarron
Aidan Clarke
Ben Cullen
Michael McKernan
Shea O'Hare
Brian Kennedy
Liam Gray
Seanie O'Donnell
Kieran McGeary
Ciaran Daly
Ronan Cassidy
Mattie Donnelly
Darren McCurry
Ten of that team started the Roscommon championship match last year and another two came off the bench that day. The Canavan's and Hampsey started against Roscommon and are all unavailable due to injury. Not sure if Michael O'Neill is as well. Gray in midfield started the first round in Ulster, possibly got injured after that.
Expected a few more changes if anything. Though there is a strong bench and good to see the likes of Brennan and Bradley in the 26. Thought McElholm would have started but he could be carrying a knock too.
Im hearing the Armagh v Galway game is off too. Any truth?
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on January 25, 2025, 11:22:39 AMTen of that team started the Roscommon championship match last year and another two came off the bench that day. The Canavan's and Hampsey started against Roscommon and are all unavailable due to injury. Not sure if Michael O'Neill is as well. Gray in midfield started the first round in Ulster, possibly got injured after that.
Expected a few more changes if anything. Though there is a strong bench and good to see the likes of Brennan and Bradley in the 26. Thought McElholm would have started but he could be carrying a knock too.
Is he in the 26 even? Lot of talk about him.
Tyrone traditionally win All Irelands with new managers too...
Quote from: David McKeown on January 25, 2025, 12:15:10 PMIm hearing the Armagh v Galway game is off too. Any truth?
Nevermind its the Armagh city game thats been postponed. Over heard on the radio the Armagh match had fallen victim to the weather
Quote from: David McKeown on January 25, 2025, 12:22:28 PMQuote from: David McKeown on January 25, 2025, 12:15:10 PMIm hearing the Armagh v Galway game is off too. Any truth?
Nevermind its the Armagh city game thats been postponed. Over heard on the radio the Armagh match had fallen victim to the weather
Jasus H... David, I done a handbrake turn on the M6 there and now i've to do another one :)
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 25, 2025, 10:39:44 AMThe lack of coverage about these historic games is mad. Not even a team sheet out for either Tyrone or Derry, I've seen no ads on social media. No preview shows on TV. Outside of a handful of podcasts you wouldn't know these games were even happening.
It is mad alright. It's so quiet. You'd expect it with the McKenna cup or Walsh cup or whatever, but not the first round of matches of the year. The only info I could get was on Twitter. One of the rare times I'd use it.
Surely a half hour preview show on RTE is doable?
Quote from: illdecide on January 25, 2025, 01:46:56 PMQuote from: David McKeown on January 25, 2025, 12:22:28 PMQuote from: David McKeown on January 25, 2025, 12:15:10 PMIm hearing the Armagh v Galway game is off too. Any truth?
Nevermind its the Armagh city game thats been postponed. Over heard on the radio the Armagh match had fallen victim to the weather
Jasus H... David, I done a handbrake turn on the M6 there and now i've to do another one :)
Sorry. What's that they say about a little knowledge
Irritating this Armagh game isn't on earlier.
Would fancy Mayo to win tonight looking at the two line outs but with the new rules it's a lottery giving a firm prediction.
Colm Reape
Sam Callinan Rory Brickenden Enda Hession
Stephen Coen David McBrien Donnacha McHugh
Diarmuid O'Connor Matthew Ruane
Conor Reid Bob Tuohy Davitt Neary
Fergal Boland Frank Irwin Ryan O'Donoghue
Evan Comerford
David Byrne Theo Clancy Eoin Murchan
Cian Murphy Sean MacMahon Greg McEneaney
Tom Lahiff Brian Howard
Ciaran Kilkenny Colm Basquel Sean Bugler
Killian McGinnis Niall Scully Brian O'Leary
Derry haven't won a league game in Tyrone from 1987. Long time. Don't think that change tonight.
Don't know the full reasoning for Kerry v Donegal being off, was it Donegal not being able to travel? Weather due to be bad down Killarney way tomorrow but games have been played in far worse.
Anyway it's probably no harm from a Kerry perspective as it gives 3 lads due to play a Sigerson quarter final Tuesday night more chance to be ready for that and not be flogged. Fellas might be more up to speed for the refixture also. Although going to Derry next weekend isn't a handy trip now for first league game.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on January 25, 2025, 03:50:00 PMDon't know the full reasoning for Kerry v Donegal being off, was it Donegal not being able to travel? Weather due to be bad down Killarney way tomorrow but games have been played in far worse.
Anyway it's probably no harm from a Kerry perspective as it gives 3 lads due to play a Sigerson quarter final Tuesday night more chance to be ready for that and not be flogged. Fellas might be more up to speed for the refixture also. Although going to Derry next weekend isn't a handy trip now for first league game.
Donegal team unable to travel. I assume alot of roads still blocked.
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 25, 2025, 03:51:01 PMQuote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on January 25, 2025, 03:50:00 PMDon't know the full reasoning for Kerry v Donegal being off, was it Donegal not being able to travel? Weather due to be bad down Killarney way tomorrow but games have been played in far worse.
Anyway it's probably no harm from a Kerry perspective as it gives 3 lads due to play a Sigerson quarter final Tuesday night more chance to be ready for that and not be flogged. Fellas might be more up to speed for the refixture also. Although going to Derry next weekend isn't a handy trip now for first league game.
Donegal team unable to travel. I assume alot of roads still blocked.
Hasn't stopped Donegal fans already down.
The weather is pure shite
Galway unchanged while two changes for Armagh with Jason Duffy,Shane McPartlan coming in. A cold wet and windy night in Salthill.
2 minutes in and puke football lol
Defending All Ireland champions enjoying the early stages of this winter seaside encounter.
No spray for the frees?
Muted so I don't have to listen to Eamon Fitz boast about how great the new rules are
14 minutes in, the high scoring promise of new rules not materialising just yet
It is ironic that the first score of the league was a fisted point which is the worst thing in regards to entertainment.
Quote from: p3427977 on January 25, 2025, 04:36:34 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on January 25, 2025, 03:51:01 PMQuote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on January 25, 2025, 03:50:00 PMDon't know the full reasoning for Kerry v Donegal being off, was it Donegal not being able to travel? Weather due to be bad down Killarney way tomorrow but games have been played in far worse.
Anyway it's probably no harm from a Kerry perspective as it gives 3 lads due to play a Sigerson quarter final Tuesday night more chance to be ready for that and not be flogged. Fellas might be more up to speed for the refixture also. Although going to Derry next weekend isn't a handy trip now for first league game.
Donegal team unable to travel. I assume alot of roads still blocked.
Hasn't stopped Donegal fans already down.
Good for them. The Kerry coast is lovely in January.
This is poor stuff tbh. Zero intensity.
So galway fanny about back and forward around the arc for 3+ minutes and nothing comes of it. No sign of the foam again for the Grimley free where he stole about 10 yards imagine if that had went over
Quote from: Brendan on January 25, 2025, 05:56:24 PMSo galway fanny about back and forward around the arc for 3+ minutes and nothing comes of it. No sign of the foam again for the Grimley free where he stole about 10 yards imagine if that had went over
Hasn't used it yet
Black card and spray missing lol
That free should or could have been set on the 40 arc, as the offence was called as he was outside the arc
Armagh was in control and defending well. Undone by poor discipline on the penalty and tap over free given away.
Poor game so far, galway messing about too much around the armagh d afraid to take chances. Armagh to their credit running at players and taking their chances.
Seems to be too many frees pulling galway into the game here also.
Poor game. It's more like a challenge match.
Galway are a hard watch at times, surely with the players they have drop the shoulder and take your man on. We were cruising snd went to sleep, Conaty looks sharp and Grugan has had some nice passes.
Half time Galway 1-4 Armagh 0-5. Loads of new rules but game between the two is similar to their last meeting in the All Ireland final.
This 50m has to go, watching this Derry game and it's brutal.
Is GAA football now officially a "non contact" sport?. Serious question?. Penalty was a stone waller but any tackle at all is a free kick. Have I missed one of the new rules
That was a harsh one to move forward. Derry forward on his knees. Surely you have to let him get up to release the ball.
Quote from: Saffron_sam20 on January 25, 2025, 06:16:33 PMThis 50m has to go, watching this Derry game and it's brutal.
And again Baker punished while getting shoved into the ground >:(
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 25, 2025, 06:12:01 PMGalway are a hard watch at times, surely with the players they have drop the shoulder and take your man on. We were cruising snd went to sleep, Conaty looks sharp and Grugan has had some nice passes.
I agree with that. Some of our forwards need to take on their men and not always default to just recycling it.especially with the fact there are potentially three less defenders back. Easier find a gap.
We need to transition more quickly and let more first time ball
Inside with these new rules.
RTE trying to entertain it's viewers with some fella dressed up as a seagull.
Quote from: illdecide on January 25, 2025, 06:19:57 PMIs GAA football now officially a "non contact" sport?. Serious question?. Penalty was a stone waller but any tackle at all is a free kick. Have I missed one of the new rules
Was it? He looked to me he was going down before there was any contact. Even RTE were trying to justify it suggesting Forker had tripped him.
Coldrick very selective with 50m thing.
Didn't penalise Ronan Cassidy for an obvious one.
Morgan will have a field day in the second half.
Quote from: David McKeown on January 25, 2025, 06:26:50 PMQuote from: illdecide on January 25, 2025, 06:19:57 PMIs GAA football now officially a "non contact" sport?. Serious question?. Penalty was a stone waller but any tackle at all is a free kick. Have I missed one of the new rules
Was it? He looked to me he was going down before there was any contact. Even RTE were trying to justify it suggesting Forker had tripped him.
He grabbed him back before 'clipping' his heels, wasn't trying to play or tackle the ball
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 25, 2025, 06:24:22 PMRTE trying to entertain it's viewers with some fella dressed up as a seagull.
Was it Eamon Fitzmaurice ? Or will RTE keep his identity secret, like the Stig?
That's a penalty
Is Forker meant to just disappear? Ffs
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 25, 2025, 06:29:16 PMIs Forker meant to just disappear? Ffs
He stepped in front of him, obstructing and if you don't think he wasn't then I you've never played
Derry been brutal so far, going backwards, pretty much full strength against Tyrone minus Errigal ciaran players and injuries and with the wind
And another with Mattie Donnelly.
Worrying start for Derry struggling so badly with the breeze... Seem to be trying to play too much rather than build through the hands as we have done for the past few years.
Also it's brutal
Quote from: screenexile on January 25, 2025, 06:42:17 PMAlso it's brutal
Div 1 games tonight not a good advert for the new rules. Other divisions teams are throwing caution to the wind
3v3 rule has beaten armagh here.
The game has gone to fck. A game of frees now ffs
Sidebottom not giving Mickey Harte an easy time here ;D
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on January 25, 2025, 06:50:25 PM3v3 rule has beaten armagh here.
The game has gone to fck. A game of frees now ffs
2 pointer in the Armagh game is muck. Game ruined there
Pure dirty shite
That foolish red ends whatever hope Armagh had of coming back into this game. 1-11 to 0-7 with 10 mins to play.
Two missed penalties
Muck
Galway 1-12 Armagh 0-9 cagey affair that won't live long in the memory
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 25, 2025, 06:31:38 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 25, 2025, 06:29:16 PMIs Forker meant to just disappear? Ffs
He stepped in front of him, obstructing and if you don't think he wasn't then I you've never played
He didn't move and the Galway player ran in to him. He doesn't have to get out of his way
2 pointers and a silly penalty the difference, thought McCormack showed fairly well for us, 4, 11 and 13 looked good for Galway. Wind seemed to conspire against us lol
That Omagh pitch is a disgrace!
Is tg4 frozen for anyone else?
I think whilst there some positives that come from the new rules we also saw a lot of the negatives from them.
On a number of occasions a team benefitted from fouling a defender because it put the defence at the disadvantage of not being able to use their keeper.
Teams losing a man particularly against the wind are at an even bigger disadvantage
The punishment for 3v3 violations is more severe than any type of foul anywhere else on the pitch except fouls the result in penalties.
Also hard to officiate as tonight showed with linesmen making a couple of costly mistakes,
Have BBC not got linked into the real time clock?
Quote from: David McKeown on January 25, 2025, 07:35:46 PMHave BBC not got linked into the real time clock?
The first half ended early according the BBC clock
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3v3 - just give the free from wherever the ball is. Awarding a 14-metre free (or 2-point kick) is extreme punishment.
Despite all the new rules we still have orgy of hand-passing plus over and back play.
Why not a simple rule to limit handpassing, e.g. free kick to opposition after 3 consecutive hand passes.
A pity can't watch Dublin v Mayo. 1-6 each the latest.
Mayo lead 1-10 to 1-8 at half time
Quote from: David McKeown on January 25, 2025, 07:33:40 PMI think whilst there some positives that come from the new rules we also saw a lot of the negatives from them.
On a number of occasions a team benefitted from fouling a defender because it put the defence at the disadvantage of not being able to use their keeper.
Teams losing a man particularly against the wind are at an even bigger disadvantage
The punishment for 3v3 violations is more severe than any type of foul anywhere else on the pitch except fouls the result in penalties.
Also hard to officiate as tonight showed with linesmen making a couple of costly mistakes,
Yes, an extreme punishment for a minor infraction. As the pundits mentioned, armagh still zonally defended, and galway went across the pitch, so the intentions of keeping 3 up aren't fully warranted.
The referee has an almost impossible job getting it 100% now
Solo and Go has basically taken away a free kick Being kicked forward. Don't think there was one non scoreable free kick kicked in Tyrone v Derry.
Quote from: screenexile on January 25, 2025, 07:27:54 PMThat Omagh pitch is a disgrace!
That Derry effort was a bigger disgrace. Slow, sideways play and refusing to have a go.
Another mutiny against the Tyrone manager on the way?
Quote from: Cunny Funt on January 25, 2025, 03:39:37 PMWould fancy Mayo to win tonight looking at the two line outs but with the new rules it's a lottery giving a firm prediction.
Colm Reape
Sam Callinan Rory Brickenden Enda Hession
Stephen Coen David McBrien Donnacha McHugh
Diarmuid O'Connor Matthew Ruane
Conor Reid Bob Tuohy Davitt Neary
Fergal Boland Frank Irwin Ryan O'Donoghue
Evan Comerford
David Byrne Theo Clancy Eoin Murchan
Cian Murphy Sean MacMahon Greg McEneaney
Tom Lahiff Brian Howard
Ciaran Kilkenny Colm Basquel Sean Bugler
Killian McGinnis Niall Scully Brian O'Leary
Mayo after a poor start ahead by 2 at half time. Should win this well. Dublin are poor and bench very weak. Will be under pressure with playing Donegal and kerry away.
Quote from: sidelineball on January 25, 2025, 08:09:14 PMQuote from: screenexile on January 25, 2025, 07:27:54 PMThat Omagh pitch is a disgrace!
That Derry effort was a bigger disgrace. Slow, sideways play and refusing to have a go.
Another mutiny against the Tyrone manager on the way?
I thought the opposite to be honest. Instead of playing slower and more controlled in attack we rushed everything first half and usually got turned over. Tyrone played more controlled, got Morgan up and passed it about.
Thought we did well to swing the momentum second half before the goal. The hop ball decision was a big turning point in the game. I thought it was a free in
Playing a double header in January was the main issue for the pitch,tonight !
The 40 yard line looks a bit more achievable in Croke Park than it did in Omagh!
Really grates me having the people who made the rules cheerleading for them as a co-commentator. At one point Fitzmaurice criticised the Armagh/Galway managers for not sending their teams out to play attacking football under the new rules. I thought that was his f**king job.
Quote from: 03,05,08 on January 25, 2025, 08:03:26 PMSolo and Go has basically taken away a free kick Being kicked forward. Don't think there was one non scoreable free kick kicked in Tyrone v Derry.
Thought that myself. A few times i thought the player was tackled before the required 4 meters
10 minutes to play. Mayo 1-13 Dublin 1-15. Result Mayo 1-15 Dublin 1-17
I did like some of the new rules.
It took a while for players to realise there is a wee bit more room in the packed defence, and some just went for it. That Tyrone goal was preceded by 2 similar runs. I think you'll see more of those slalom runs through the middle.
The 3 up front wasn't really used as much as I thought it would be. All 6 defenders on the Healy pitch were very tight and it was good to see that skill again. The midfield battles were good to watch too.
Quote from: Gael85 on January 25, 2025, 08:20:34 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on January 25, 2025, 03:39:37 PMWould fancy Mayo to win tonight looking at the two line outs but with the new rules it's a lottery giving a firm prediction.
Colm Reape
Sam Callinan Rory Brickenden Enda Hession
Stephen Coen David McBrien Donnacha McHugh
Diarmuid O'Connor Matthew Ruane
Conor Reid Bob Tuohy Davitt Neary
Fergal Boland Frank Irwin Ryan O'Donoghue
Evan Comerford
David Byrne Theo Clancy Eoin Murchan
Cian Murphy Sean MacMahon Greg McEneaney
Tom Lahiff Brian Howard
Ciaran Kilkenny Colm Basquel Sean Bugler
Killian McGinnis Niall Scully Brian O'Leary
Mayo after a poor start ahead by 2 at half time. Should win this well. Dublin are poor and bench very weak. Will be under pressure with playing Donegal and kerry away.
Bugler and Kilkenny stepped up in second half. Didn't expect to get winn so delighted to get the two points.
Rhubarbs missing chances in the second half.
Good to see tradition being maintained🙄
Quote from: Mario on January 25, 2025, 08:23:08 PMQuote from: sidelineball on January 25, 2025, 08:09:14 PMQuote from: screenexile on January 25, 2025, 07:27:54 PMThat Omagh pitch is a disgrace!
That Derry effort was a bigger disgrace. Slow, sideways play and refusing to have a go.
Another mutiny against the Tyrone manager on the way?
I thought the opposite to be honest. Instead of playing slower and more controlled in attack we rushed everything first half and usually got turned over. Tyrone played more controlled, got Morgan up and passed it about.
Thought we did well to swing the momentum second half before the goal. The hop ball decision was a big turning point in the game. I thought it was a free in
Saw bits and pieces of Tyrone game some outstanding stuff from Morgan including an eye of the needle pass resulting in the second goal. Lynch done well under a couple of high balls, but the bringing him over half way is going kill Derry further down the road as he won't have the ability to get back. A number of Derry players seemed refuse shots at goal and recycle the ball, the pitch was awful(as usual) and granted difficult conditions.
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 25, 2025, 07:15:52 PMGalway 1-12 Armagh 0-9 cagey affair that won't live long in the memory
Poor enough show from Armagh didn't think Galway had to be anywhere near their best to win.Started the game well and led 5-1 but that was indicative of how poor they where after that only registering 4 points after. To begin with Conaty was very dangerous up front and done really well on kickouts. First time Armagh where sloppy on the ball and got countered on resulted in the goal which ultimately shifted the momentum.Thought Forker was caught out badly with the ball in behind for penalty which Tierney despatched well.
On games so far:
Two man throw-in great
The solo and go is great
The longer kick out and no back to goalie great
Only 11 up is great - but by God Galway and Armagh still struggled to find space for much of the game, but in harsh Salthill conditions in fairness
Two points from beyond arc should only be from play or a free. Having two point kickers was the winning of the game for Galway
The 21 yard free for 3 man infraction - on the fence, I'd make it 40
Timekeeping/countdown - on the fence but leaning towards it. Takes away a bit of the charm and Americanises.
Overall it was January football and there were some high scoring games.
Was it just me or was Connor Lane interacting with alot of players other than the nominated spokesperson/captain?
Quote from: sidelineball on January 25, 2025, 08:09:14 PMQuote from: screenexile on January 25, 2025, 07:27:54 PMThat Omagh pitch is a disgrace!
That Derry effort was a bigger disgrace. Slow, sideways play and refusing to have a go.
Another mutiny against the Tyrone manager on the way?
Too gung-ho more like, rushing when we didn't need to.
League up and running, hit too many wides, especially when a point up. Wiped out in the last 10 mins. Tyrone definitely sharper in most areas. Young McElholm looked very, spritly when introduced.
Shane had a v good 2nd half. Omagh pitch was in better nick than I though it would be except for that raised bed up around the 45m,wonder what they're growing?
It was like watching two different sports with the Galway Armagh game followed by Dublin Mayo because of how they were refereed.
If any of the powers that be are listening... Conor Lane ruins every game of football he refs with that feckin whistle. Every bit of contact is a free ffs.
Faloon was the opposite - kept control but let the game flow brilliantly and allowed contests for the ball. Far better spectacle.
G I wouldn't be a fan of either of them.
Fball got dear on it. £18 to watch that, and frozen to death into the bargain.
Anton (https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fimg.rasset.ie%2F0016b5ae-614.jpg%3Fratio%3D1.78&tbnid=pW8BOHAGYH-1LM&vet=1&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rte.ie%2Fsport%2Fgaa%2F2021%2F0430%2F1213057-tohill-living-for-experience-rather-than-the-experiment%2F&docid=xi6W9JmXgCJIbM&w=614&h=345&source=sh%2Fx%2Fim%2Fm4%2F2&kgs=13a0e85349d0135e#vhid=pW8BOHAGYH-1LM&vssid=mosaic)
Anton Tohill at the 2000 league final
Quote from: weareros on January 25, 2025, 10:24:36 PMOn games so far:
Two man throw-in great
The solo and go is great
The longer kick out and no back to goalie great
Only 11 up is great - but by God Galway and Armagh still struggled to find space for much of the game, but in harsh Salthill conditions in fairness
Two points from beyond arc should only be from play or a free. Having two point kickers was the winning of the game for Galway
The 21 yard free for 3 man infraction - on the fence, I'd make it 40
Timekeeping/countdown - on the fence but leaning towards it. Takes away a bit of the charm and Americanises.
Overall it was January football and there were some high scoring games.
Mostly agree. Don't think you should be allowed a 2 point shot for the 3 up infraction. Did any of these new rules look at tackling?
On the steps, I thought Kane was inconsistent in our game but will accept that if there is a move towards policing them right. Mistakes happen
Like the solo and go and the kickout, the 2 pointers obviously sting abit after last night but they're a great skill, don't think the likes of Walsh's free deserved 2 points but the other 2 were brilliant scores.
They are leaving the wind as even more of a deciding factor in games, it definitely had picked up last night in the second half. The 3 up isn't great. How a club referee is going to be able to police it I don't know.
Thought Lane was extremely poor, any sort of contact seemed to be a free (for both teams).
Which is strange considering he missed to easy penalties
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 26, 2025, 09:57:36 AMWhich is strange considering he missed to easy penalties
Missing the penalty calls might be strange but blowing every feckin contact isn't - he's been ruiing good matches for a decade or more now.
Few observations from being at the game last night. For a freezing night, on a crap surface and first competitive game I felt it was decent fare.
Id say if that game was played last year it would have finished 0-11 to 0-09 or something similar.
Derry were pretty much at full strength whilst we were a bit of a mish mash. Had a nosey at our team for the first league game 2 years ago...
Tyrone Squad – Allianz Football League R1 v Roscommon – Sunday 29th January
Niall Morgan (Edendork)
Michael McKernan (Coalisland)
Cormac Monroe (An Charraig Mhór)
Padraig Hampsey (Coalisland)
Cormac Quinn (Errigal Ciaran)
Peter Harte (Errigal Ciaran)
Niall Devlin (Coalisland)
Brian Kennedy (Derrylaughan)
Richard Donnelly (Trillick)
David Mulgrew (Ardboe)
Conn Kilpatrick (Edendork)
Conor Meyler (Omagh)
Cathal McShane (Owen Roes)
Matthew Donnelly (Trillick)
Darragh Canavan (Errigal Ciaran)
From my reading we only had 5 starters from that team that lined out in first 15 last night.
In terms of the new rules...
- our discipline was very good, didn't give away one 50m advancement for descent, very un Tyrone like
- only one 2 pointer for each team, think conditions played a part in that as well as the pitch. You'd do well to stay standing out round the arc.
- the 3 up rule really works,so much more space to work with when observing from the game. As pitches improve and speed of the game increases this will lead to much more excitement.
- no wonder Morgan was such an advocate for allowing the keeper to come out, he's going to be vital to Tyrone this year.
Overall it was a good display from ourselves, much better than I expected. Get a result against Armagh next week and we could challenge at the top of the table this year.
Derry missing almost a 3rd of nailed on starters, no excuse, just pointing out the team weren't pretty much at full strength.
Missing defenders. We still on the hunt for 2/3 forward. Especially with speed. Thought there be a few more Newbridge men tried out.
Who was missing for Derry?
Tyrone missing a good few too with a lot of new faces on show also.
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 26, 2025, 02:16:08 PMTyrone missing a good few too with a lot of new faces on show also.
Plenty of strength and depth on that bench last night. Bradley got a fair cheer.
Quote from: JoG2 on January 26, 2025, 01:59:16 PMDerry missing almost a 3rd of nailed on starters, no excuse, just pointing out the team weren't pretty much at full strength.
Just checked your starting team again, struggling to name at least 5 definite starters. Who would you say they are?
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 26, 2025, 04:27:01 PMQuote from: JoG2 on January 26, 2025, 01:59:16 PMDerry missing almost a 3rd of nailed on starters, no excuse, just pointing out the team weren't pretty much at full strength.
Just checked your starting team again, struggling to name at least 5 definite starters. Who would you say they are?
Excusing your at least 5 starters from my almost a third, Loughlin, McCluskey, McGrogan and McKinless. Again, zero excuses from me, just pointing out Derry weren't pretty much at full strength
Quote from: JoG2 on January 26, 2025, 02:18:07 PMQuote from: nrico2006 on January 26, 2025, 02:16:08 PMTyrone missing a good few too with a lot of new faces on show also.
Plenty of strength and depth on that bench last night. Bradley got a fair cheer.
Good bench but Derry were no more disadvantaged than Tyrone by absences.
Quote from: JoG2 on January 26, 2025, 01:59:16 PMDerry missing almost a 3rd of nailed on starters, no excuse, just pointing out the team weren't pretty much at full strength.
Think that was the norm if you go across any of the division one games.
Of the Tyrone 15, I'd say only Morgan, McKernan, Kennedy, McCurry and Mattie Donnelly are nailed on starters. The rest had a season of senior football or are in and out of the team. It was an encouraging performance, especially with Morgan looking like he can give Tyrone such an advantage and so many more to come back and drier ground should also suit Tyrone.
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 26, 2025, 06:29:52 PMQuote from: JoG2 on January 26, 2025, 02:18:07 PMQuote from: nrico2006 on January 26, 2025, 02:16:08 PMTyrone missing a good few too with a lot of new faces on show also.
Plenty of strength and depth on that bench last night. Bradley got a fair cheer.
Good bench but Derry were no more disadvantaged than Tyrone by absences.
Agreed
Watching Armagh highlights there, that option of taking a 3v3 breach out to by the 2pt line is a load of balls.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 26, 2025, 10:09:57 PMWatching Armagh highlights there, that option of taking a 3v3 breach out to by the 2pt line is a lot of balls.
Agree.
Typical RTE Sunday game.
Only one contentious moment.
The clothes line on Blaine, not shown.
Yea mention it but don't show it!
Also the Roscommon goal into an empty net is great entertainment now whereas last year the teams were hung out to dry for conceding a goal like that!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 26, 2025, 10:09:57 PMWatching Armagh highlights there, that option of taking a 3v3 breach out to by the 2pt line is a load of balls.
You step over a line, without necessarily affecting play, and the opposition can get two points. It is wholly disproportionate to other aspects of the game.
Especially when a goal is only 3pts
Armagh have to switch bck to Ethan Rafferty. Derry seriously need look at a outfield player in nets.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 26, 2025, 10:34:04 PMEspecially when a goal is only 3pts
Clatter a man in the penalty area and the opposing team gets a two-thirds chance of 3 points, walk over a line in the middle of the field and the opposing team gets a better chance of 2 points.
Quote from: HokeyPokey on January 26, 2025, 07:05:29 PMOf the Tyrone 15, I'd say only Morgan, McKernan, Kennedy, McCurry and Mattie Donnelly are nailed on starters. The rest had a season of senior football or are in and out of the team. It was an encouraging performance, especially with Morgan looking like he can give Tyrone such an advantage and so many more to come back and drier ground should also suit Tyrone.
I'm not even sure McCurry is nailed on.
Will be great competition between him R. Canavan, Bradley, mcelhome etc.
Darragh and Mattie the only two nailed on forwards id say
I know it's the first round of games, but I don't think there's any huge benefit to the new rules.
Still the same pattern of play, massed defence possession football with no risk taking.
The forced long kickout is just asking for break ball tactics, of the like we had in the 00s that resulted in teams adopting the hamdpass up the field tactic rather than risk losing possession.
I didn't see anyone really take advantage of the 3 players in a half at all times.
So far it feels like change for the sake of it.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on January 26, 2025, 10:47:34 PMQuote from: HokeyPokey on January 26, 2025, 07:05:29 PMOf the Tyrone 15, I'd say only Morgan, McKernan, Kennedy, McCurry and Mattie Donnelly are nailed on starters. The rest had a season of senior football or are in and out of the team. It was an encouraging performance, especially with Morgan looking like he can give Tyrone such an advantage and so many more to come back and drier ground should also suit Tyrone.
I'm not even sure McCurry is nailed on.
Will be great competition between him R. Canavan, Bradley, mcelhome etc.
Darragh and Mattie the only two nailed on forwards id say
McCurry would walk into any team in the country imo. Scores highly, serious work rate and is a game changer. More influential than Donnelly these days, again imo
The rules are fine an all but why not introduce thins that matter. When the teams run out,have fire blowers blowing fire up into the sky. I don't mean people, the machines, and then it's less liable in case the fire blowers get burnt by sucking in the flames. Then have ticker tape at the end of the games flying down from the sky.
Quote from: Olly on January 26, 2025, 11:41:43 PMThe rules are fine an all but why not introduce thins that matter. When the teams run out,have fire blowers blowing fire up into the sky. I don't mean people, the machines, and then it's less liable in case the fire blowers get burnt by sucking in the flames. Then have ticker tape at the end of the games flying down from the sky.
They have that sort of stuff for the All Ireland final, is enough. For every game it wouldn't be a novelty any more...
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on January 26, 2025, 10:12:15 PMTypical RTE Sunday game.
Only one contentious moment.
The clothes line on Blaine, not shown.
Was that contentious? Free and yellow card given not sure what else. More annoyed at the free against Forker when your man ran into him.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 27, 2025, 07:02:29 AMQuote from: Armaghtothebone on January 26, 2025, 10:12:15 PMTypical RTE Sunday game.
Only one contentious moment.
The clothes line on Blaine, not shown.
Was that contentious? Free and yellow card given not sure what else. More annoyed at the free against Forker when your man ran into him.
Forker stepped across, knew exactly what he was doing, should have been a penalty as it was inside.
That's why they took him off, couldn't afford him to be sent off and Lane bottled giving him another card
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 26, 2025, 11:29:13 PMI know it's the first round of games, but I don't think there's any huge benefit to the new rules.
Still the same pattern of play, massed defence possession football with no risk taking.
The forced long kickout is just asking for break ball tactics, of the like we had in the 00s that resulted in teams adopting the hamdpass up the field tactic rather than risk losing possession.
I didn't see anyone really take advantage of the 3 players in a half at all times.
So far it feels like change for the sake of it.
I don't know how you can say the rules aren't any benefit after one round of games in poor conditions in January. I can't see how they aren't going to improve things (bigger issue is how well they can be implemented at club level). Leaving 3 up will undoubtedly lead to more space in attacks leading to less recycling of the ball and will also lead to faster counter attacks as teams get used to them. I do like that the kickouts have to go further though there is an issue with so many players around the contest as everyone is staying outside of the arc.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on January 27, 2025, 07:38:38 AMQuote from: tbrick18 on January 26, 2025, 11:29:13 PMI know it's the first round of games, but I don't think there's any huge benefit to the new rules.
Still the same pattern of play, massed defence possession football with no risk taking.
The forced long kickout is just asking for break ball tactics, of the like we had in the 00s that resulted in teams adopting the hamdpass up the field tactic rather than risk losing possession.
I didn't see anyone really take advantage of the 3 players in a half at all times.
So far it feels like change for the sake of it.
I don't know how you can say the rules aren't any benefit after one round of games in poor conditions in January. I can't see how they aren't going to improve things (bigger issue is how well they can be implemented at club level). Leaving 3 up will undoubtedly lead to more space in attacks leading to less recycling of the ball and will also lead to faster counter attacks as teams get used to them. I do like that the kickouts have to go further though there is an issue with so many players around the contest as everyone is staying outside of the arc.
What's wrong with that? Will be some goal chances created if teams press up on kickouts and and break it towards the arc
Quote from: armaghniac on January 26, 2025, 10:24:58 PMYou step over a line, without necessarily affecting play, and the opposition can get two points. It is wholly disproportionate to other aspects of the game.
For far too long football has had a problem with so many rules because the punishment was so soft that it made sense to break them.
Teams and players have control over whether or not they break this rule.
Most kids can count to three by the time they hit junior infants so I don't think people can really claim it's all that difficult a rule to obey.
Honestly I was shocked to see how many times this rule was broken over the weekend - I thought it reflected very poorly on the ability levels of GAA coaches/management to coach players and also on players ability to get to grips with changes in the game.
Any team that breaks this rule with any sort of frequency at all will have questions asked about the management and/or players involved. Come Championship I would be surprised if any serious All-Ireland contender gets pinged with this rule.
I only got watching the Armagh match this weekend. First thoughts on the new rules are that I really like the solo and go. That only works though, if you include the 50m penalty for obstructing the play after a free, so that is good too. I'll reserve judgement on the 2 points, but I certainly dont like the opportunity for 2 from a 3v3 infraction. Armagh didnt use the 2 point attempts well at all, especially in the 1st half when they were more dominant and seemed to have the wind with them (althoygh I wasnt at the ground so not 100% on that). Like everyone else, theyve things to learn.
I posted a few weeks ago that I thought Armagh would go with Ethan as the 12v11 will be very important. Blaine performed well again though with good kickouts and saves. I still think that one is well up for consideration.
Like every other Armagh supporter I was baffled how we didnt get a penalty, and instead awarded a free. Did the ref think that it was an advanced mark with no advantage gained? Either way, it was a horrific decision. Refs are learning too though and I suspect we will all have to have a lot of patience this year.
Quote from: twohands!!! on January 27, 2025, 09:00:42 AMQuote from: armaghniac on January 26, 2025, 10:24:58 PMYou step over a line, without necessarily affecting play, and the opposition can get two points. It is wholly disproportionate to other aspects of the game.
For far too long football has had a problem with so many rules because the punishment was so soft that it made sense to break them.
Teams and players have control over whether or not they break this rule.
Most kids can count to three by the time they hit junior infants so I don't think people can really claim it's all that difficult a rule to obey.
Honestly I was shocked to see how many times this rule was broken over the weekend - I thought it reflected very poorly on the ability levels of GAA coaches/management to coach players and also on players ability to get to grips with changes in the game.
Any team that breaks this rule with any sort of frequency at all will have questions asked about the management and/or players involved. Come Championship I would be surprised if any serious All-Ireland contender gets pinged with this rule.
Christ that's a bit harsh. If you see a man running down the pitch your first instinct is going to be to run after them. It's the first week of the rules being properly enforced (couldn't see them being that strict in challenge games). Would love to see how it's handled at club level. Seen some people say they just need 2 more unbiased officials as if we aren't short on numbers as it is
Quote from: thebigfullforward on January 27, 2025, 09:29:11 AMQuote from: twohands!!! on January 27, 2025, 09:00:42 AMQuote from: armaghniac on January 26, 2025, 10:24:58 PMYou step over a line, without necessarily affecting play, and the opposition can get two points. It is wholly disproportionate to other aspects of the game.
For far too long football has had a problem with so many rules because the punishment was so soft that it made sense to break them.
Teams and players have control over whether or not they break this rule.
Most kids can count to three by the time they hit junior infants so I don't think people can really claim it's all that difficult a rule to obey.
Honestly I was shocked to see how many times this rule was broken over the weekend - I thought it reflected very poorly on the ability levels of GAA coaches/management to coach players and also on players ability to get to grips with changes in the game.
Any team that breaks this rule with any sort of frequency at all will have questions asked about the management and/or players involved. Come Championship I would be surprised if any serious All-Ireland contender gets pinged with this rule.
Christ that's a bit harsh. If you see a man running down the pitch your first instinct is going to be to run after them. It's the first week of the rules being properly enforced (couldn't see them being that strict in challenge games). Would love to see how it's handled at club level. Seen some people say they just need 2 more unbiased officials as if we aren't short on numbers as it is
Games are stretched even more now, you have nearly double the games that would have been done 20 years ago, the huge numbers playing ladies football nowadays compared to 20 years ago is massive, they all need someone to step up, add in the juveniles and then the many senior and reserves games and the games a ref could be out each week is crazy, they could be doing 3 games at the weekend and a couple or more during the week, the drop off from the first year is big as well due to the abuse from players/sidelines/supporters..
Having extra officials at games would be brilliant, being mic'd up would also be great but lets see what happens early spring when the games start
Quote from: twohands!!! on January 27, 2025, 09:00:42 AMQuote from: armaghniac on January 26, 2025, 10:24:58 PMYou step over a line, without necessarily affecting play, and the opposition can get two points. It is wholly disproportionate to other aspects of the game.
For far too long football has had a problem with so many rules because the punishment was so soft that it made sense to break them.
Teams and players have control over whether or not they break this rule.
Most kids can count to three by the time they hit junior infants so I don't think people can really claim it's all that difficult a rule to obey.
Honestly I was shocked to see how many times this rule was broken over the weekend - I thought it reflected very poorly on the ability levels of GAA coaches/management to coach players and also on players ability to get to grips with changes in the game.
Any team that breaks this rule with any sort of frequency at all will have questions asked about the management and/or players involved. Come Championship I would be surprised if any serious All-Ireland contender gets pinged with this rule.
I have generally no issue with the penalty for the 3v3 infraction other than being allowed to take a 2 pointer
Quote from: thebigfullforward on January 27, 2025, 09:29:11 AMQuote from: twohands!!! on January 27, 2025, 09:00:42 AMQuote from: armaghniac on January 26, 2025, 10:24:58 PMYou step over a line, without necessarily affecting play, and the opposition can get two points. It is wholly disproportionate to other aspects of the game.
For far too long football has had a problem with so many rules because the punishment was so soft that it made sense to break them.
Teams and players have control over whether or not they break this rule.
Most kids can count to three by the time they hit junior infants so I don't think people can really claim it's all that difficult a rule to obey.
Honestly I was shocked to see how many times this rule was broken over the weekend - I thought it reflected very poorly on the ability levels of GAA coaches/management to coach players and also on players ability to get to grips with changes in the game.
Any team that breaks this rule with any sort of frequency at all will have questions asked about the management and/or players involved. Come Championship I would be surprised if any serious All-Ireland contender gets pinged with this rule.
Christ that's a bit harsh. If you see a man running down the pitch your first instinct is going to be to run after them. It's the first week of the rules being properly enforced (couldn't see them being that strict in challenge games). Would love to see how it's handled at club level. Seen some people say they just need 2 more unbiased officials as if we aren't short on numbers as it is
I mean the rules changes were approved two months ago and the 3v3 is one of the more notable changes so you'd think it would not exactly be difficult to remember.
Also I did see somewhere McGuinness say he brought in strict refs for their challenge games/training specifically to focus players minds on this rule.
From what I saw and read there were aleady a couple of games where there was no free given for a 3v3 infringement.
Honestly the more I think of it I'll be shocked if more than a handful of teams get caught with this rule over the course of the championship. You'd imagine any player who does get caught for breaking this rule is extremely unlikely to repeat their mistake any time soon given the punishment.
Quote from: twohands!!! on January 27, 2025, 01:19:43 PMFrom what I saw and read there were aleady a couple of games where there was no free given for a 3v3 infringement.
Was any of that a black card situation? For example when Daire Cregg got a black in the Roscommon Down game, Roscommon were only required to keep two forwards up and as a result it was 2 v 3 for Roscommon's 3rd goal. Many were not aware of that aspect of the rule.
Quote from: weareros on January 27, 2025, 01:36:44 PMQuote from: twohands!!! on January 27, 2025, 01:19:43 PMFrom what I saw and read there were aleady a couple of games where there was no free given for a 3v3 infringement.
Was any of that a black card situation? For example when Daire Cregg got a black in the Roscommon Down game, Roscommon were only required to keep two forwards up and as a result it was 2 v 3 for Roscommon's 3rd goal. Many were not aware of that aspect of the rule.
Down/Rossies could have as many defenders as they needed or wanted throughout the game regardless of black cards, keeping 11 outfield players up front is the requirement I'm led to believe
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 27, 2025, 09:36:32 AMQuote from: thebigfullforward on January 27, 2025, 09:29:11 AMQuote from: twohands!!! on January 27, 2025, 09:00:42 AMQuote from: armaghniac on January 26, 2025, 10:24:58 PMYou step over a line, without necessarily affecting play, and the opposition can get two points. It is wholly disproportionate to other aspects of the game.
For far too long football has had a problem with so many rules because the punishment was so soft that it made sense to break them.
Teams and players have control over whether or not they break this rule.
Most kids can count to three by the time they hit junior infants so I don't think people can really claim it's all that difficult a rule to obey.
Honestly I was shocked to see how many times this rule was broken over the weekend - I thought it reflected very poorly on the ability levels of GAA coaches/management to coach players and also on players ability to get to grips with changes in the game.
Any team that breaks this rule with any sort of frequency at all will have questions asked about the management and/or players involved. Come Championship I would be surprised if any serious All-Ireland contender gets pinged with this rule.
Christ that's a bit harsh. If you see a man running down the pitch your first instinct is going to be to run after them. It's the first week of the rules being properly enforced (couldn't see them being that strict in challenge games). Would love to see how it's handled at club level. Seen some people say they just need 2 more unbiased officials as if we aren't short on numbers as it is
Games are stretched even more now, you have nearly double the games that would have been done 20 years ago, the huge numbers playing ladies football nowadays compared to 20 years ago is massive, they all need someone to step up, add in the juveniles and then the many senior and reserves games and the games a ref could be out each week is crazy, they could be doing 3 games at the weekend and a couple or more during the week, the drop off from the first year is big as well due to the abuse from players/sidelines/supporters..
Having extra officials at games would be brilliant, being mic'd up would also be great but lets see what happens early spring when the games start
Also mic up refs, so that any abuse is recorded and then throw the book at the perpetrators.
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2025, 12:56:07 PMQuote from: twohands!!! on January 27, 2025, 09:00:42 AMQuote from: armaghniac on January 26, 2025, 10:24:58 PMYou step over a line, without necessarily affecting play, and the opposition can get two points. It is wholly disproportionate to other aspects of the game.
For far too long football has had a problem with so many rules because the punishment was so soft that it made sense to break them.
Teams and players have control over whether or not they break this rule.
Most kids can count to three by the time they hit junior infants so I don't think people can really claim it's all that difficult a rule to obey.
Honestly I was shocked to see how many times this rule was broken over the weekend - I thought it reflected very poorly on the ability levels of GAA coaches/management to coach players and also on players ability to get to grips with changes in the game.
Any team that breaks this rule with any sort of frequency at all will have questions asked about the management and/or players involved. Come Championship I would be surprised if any serious All-Ireland contender gets pinged with this rule.
I have generally no issue with the penalty for the 3v3 infraction other than being allowed to take a 2 pointer
Yeah agree. It needs to be harsh enough that teams simply won't think of breaking it and the odd time it is breached it will be due to a lack of concentration/communication on players behalf.
2 points for it is too much though
Quote from: David McKeown on January 25, 2025, 07:33:40 PMI think whilst there some positives that come from the new rules we also saw a lot of the negatives from them.
On a number of occasions a team benefitted from fouling a defender because it put the defence at the disadvantage of not being able to use their keeper.
Teams losing a man particularly against the wind are at an even bigger disadvantage
The punishment for 3v3 violations is more severe than any type of foul anywhere else on the pitch except fouls the result in penalties.
Also hard to officiate as tonight showed with linesmen making a couple of costly mistakes,
3 v 3 and two pointers are a nonsense, but the solo and go I thought sped up the game.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 27, 2025, 01:50:33 PMQuote from: weareros on January 27, 2025, 01:36:44 PMQuote from: twohands!!! on January 27, 2025, 01:19:43 PMFrom what I saw and read there were aleady a couple of games where there was no free given for a 3v3 infringement.
Was any of that a black card situation? For example when Daire Cregg got a black in the Roscommon Down game, Roscommon were only required to keep two forwards up and as a result it was 2 v 3 for Roscommon's 3rd goal. Many were not aware of that aspect of the rule.
Down/Rossies could have as many defenders as they needed or wanted throughout the game regardless of black cards, keeping 11 outfield players up front is the requirement I'm led to believe
11 players up front?
During the commentary for the armagh game, Fitzmaurice said if a man gets sent off/black card or whatever then that team only needs to keep 2 up and instead of 3v3 it becomes 2v3. Not sure if he explained further on what end of the pitch to be fair
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 27, 2025, 02:27:18 PMQuote from: David McKeown on January 25, 2025, 07:33:40 PMI think whilst there some positives that come from the new rules we also saw a lot of the negatives from them.
On a number of occasions a team benefitted from fouling a defender because it put the defence at the disadvantage of not being able to use their keeper.
Teams losing a man particularly against the wind are at an even bigger disadvantage
The punishment for 3v3 violations is more severe than any type of foul anywhere else on the pitch except fouls the result in penalties.
Also hard to officiate as tonight showed with linesmen making a couple of costly mistakes,
3 v 3 and two pointers are a nonsense, but the solo and go I thought sped up the game.
Yep - right up there with the advanced mark.
What is the penalty for breaking the 3v3 rule? I'm still struggling....
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 27, 2025, 03:23:48 PMQuote from: Applesisapples on January 27, 2025, 02:27:18 PMQuote from: David McKeown on January 25, 2025, 07:33:40 PMI think whilst there some positives that come from the new rules we also saw a lot of the negatives from them.
On a number of occasions a team benefitted from fouling a defender because it put the defence at the disadvantage of not being able to use their keeper.
Teams losing a man particularly against the wind are at an even bigger disadvantage
The punishment for 3v3 violations is more severe than any type of foul anywhere else on the pitch except fouls the result in penalties.
Also hard to officiate as tonight showed with linesmen making a couple of costly mistakes,
3 v 3 and two pointers are a nonsense, but the solo and go I thought sped up the game.
Yep - right up there with the advanced mark.
What is the penalty for breaking the 3v3 rule? I'm still struggling....
A free from wherever you like apparently
Looks like "Nordies against change" haven't gone away you know ;D
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2025, 03:22:58 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 27, 2025, 01:50:33 PMQuote from: weareros on January 27, 2025, 01:36:44 PMQuote from: twohands!!! on January 27, 2025, 01:19:43 PMFrom what I saw and read there were aleady a couple of games where there was no free given for a 3v3 infringement.
Was any of that a black card situation? For example when Daire Cregg got a black in the Roscommon Down game, Roscommon were only required to keep two forwards up and as a result it was 2 v 3 for Roscommon's 3rd goal. Many were not aware of that aspect of the rule.
Down/Rossies could have as many defenders as they needed or wanted throughout the game regardless of black cards, keeping 11 outfield players up front is the requirement I'm led to believe
11 players up front?
During the commentary for the armagh game, Fitzmaurice said if a man gets sent off/black card or whatever then that team only needs to keep 2 up and instead of 3v3 it becomes 2v3. Not sure if he explained further on what end of the pitch to be fair
Yeah they can opt for that, but that still leaves 11 outfield players up in the forwards, there can't be more than that (excusing the keeper)
There were some mistakes at the weekend even with 9 officials
Quote from: Rossfan on January 27, 2025, 03:43:23 PMLooks like "Nordies against change" haven't gone away you know ;D
Hasn't most of the innovation and change in the last 20 odd years come from the north? It's usually the Munster men crying out for a return to 'comely maidens dancing at the crossroads'!
The rules look largely good, although the 2-point arc is surely going to cause an awful row at some point as it must be so difficult for referees to judge if a player is just outside it or not. It's easy to see a scenario where Antrim are in an All-Ireland final against Dublin, two points down and with the last kick hit a score just on the edge of the arc. Referee says it was on the line so it's only a 1 point score, instead of 2 points to equalize.
Any word on why Galway didnt give Armagh a guard of honour? KK give Clare one?
Not expecting one this weekend either!
Quote from: DeasBéalFeirste on January 27, 2025, 03:56:32 PMQuote from: Rossfan on January 27, 2025, 03:43:23 PMLooks like "Nordies against change" haven't gone away you know ;D
Hasn't most of the innovation and change in the last 20 odd years come from the north? It's usually the Munster men crying out for a return to 'comely maidens dancing at the crossroads'!
The rules look largely good, although the 2-point arc is surely going to cause an awful row at some point as it must be so difficult for referees to judge if a player is just outside it or not. It's easy to see a scenario where Antrim are in an All-Ireland final against Dublin, two points down and with the last kick hit a score just on the edge of the arc. Referee says it was on the line so it's only a 1 point score, instead of 2 points to equalize.
One foot can be on the line and the other follows through its still a two pointer and I'll wake up and have my cornflakes when that happens
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 27, 2025, 04:34:12 PMQuote from: DeasBéalFeirste on January 27, 2025, 03:56:32 PMQuote from: Rossfan on January 27, 2025, 03:43:23 PMLooks like "Nordies against change" haven't gone away you know ;D
Hasn't most of the innovation and change in the last 20 odd years come from the north? It's usually the Munster men crying out for a return to 'comely maidens dancing at the crossroads'!
The rules look largely good, although the 2-point arc is surely going to cause an awful row at some point as it must be so difficult for referees to judge if a player is just outside it or not. It's easy to see a scenario where Antrim are in an All-Ireland final against Dublin, two points down and with the last kick hit a score just on the edge of the arc. Referee says it was on the line so it's only a 1 point score, instead of 2 points to equalize.
One foot can be on the line and the other follows through its still a two pointer and I'll wake up and have my cornflakes when that happens
Well the same issue still applies. Was he on the line or slightly over? Some of those games at the weekend you could hardly see the line, and club games won't be any better. Some poor referee is going to end up taking awful grief after a big game.
Quote from: DeasBéalFeirste on January 27, 2025, 03:56:32 PMIt's easy to see a scenario where Antrim are in an All-Ireland final against Dublin, .
That must be strong medication you're on :o
Quote from: Armamike on January 27, 2025, 04:32:20 PMNot expecting one this weekend either!
Tbf we gave them one after '21, not sure if it was before the charity game or the McKenna cup game at the time.
Was that bad of an evening in Galway I'm sure neither team wanted to be standing about for it.
All four games has live coverage this weekend.
Saturday
6pm: Armagh v Tyrone - RTÉ 2
7.30pm: Donegal v Dublin - TG4
Sunday
12.30pm: Derry v Kerry - TG4
2.30pm: Mayo v Galway - TG4
Quote from: DeasBéalFeirste on January 27, 2025, 04:41:19 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 27, 2025, 04:34:12 PMQuote from: DeasBéalFeirste on January 27, 2025, 03:56:32 PMQuote from: Rossfan on January 27, 2025, 03:43:23 PMLooks like "Nordies against change" haven't gone away you know ;D
Hasn't most of the innovation and change in the last 20 odd years come from the north? It's usually the Munster men crying out for a return to 'comely maidens dancing at the crossroads'!
The rules look largely good, although the 2-point arc is surely going to cause an awful row at some point as it must be so difficult for referees to judge if a player is just outside it or not. It's easy to see a scenario where Antrim are in an All-Ireland final against Dublin, two points down and with the last kick hit a score just on the edge of the arc. Referee says it was on the line so it's only a 1 point score, instead of 2 points to equalize.
One foot can be on the line and the other follows through its still a two pointer and I'll wake up and have my cornflakes when that happens
Well the same issue still applies. Was he on the line or slightly over? Some of those games at the weekend you could hardly see the line, and club games won't be any better. Some poor referee is going to end up taking awful grief after a big game.
Would need to be after the game cause if he's getting it during it he'll be spending a lot of time running 50 + meters
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 27, 2025, 05:27:06 PMAll four games has live coverage this weekend.
Saturday
6pm: Armagh v Tyrone - RTÉ 2
7.30pm: Donegal v Dublin - TG4
Sunday
12.30pm: Derry v Kerry - TG4
2.30pm: Mayo v Galway (F) - TG4
(F)?
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 27, 2025, 02:27:18 PMQuote from: David McKeown on January 25, 2025, 07:33:40 PMI think whilst there some positives that come from the new rules we also saw a lot of the negatives from them.
On a number of occasions a team benefitted from fouling a defender because it put the defence at the disadvantage of not being able to use their keeper.
Teams losing a man particularly against the wind are at an even bigger disadvantage
The punishment for 3v3 violations is more severe than any type of foul anywhere else on the pitch except fouls the result in penalties.
Also hard to officiate as tonight showed with linesmen making a couple of costly mistakes,
3 v 3 and two pointers are a nonsense, but the solo and go I thought sped up the game.
I liked the solo and go to a large extent but I had a particular problem with the two pointers, the 3v3 and most especially the rule on the keeper being largely unable to get involved in his own half which in turn rewards fouling by the attacking team in that half
Quote from: David McKeown on January 27, 2025, 08:48:27 PMQuote from: Applesisapples on January 27, 2025, 02:27:18 PMQuote from: David McKeown on January 25, 2025, 07:33:40 PMI think whilst there some positives that come from the new rules we also saw a lot of the negatives from them.
On a number of occasions a team benefitted from fouling a defender because it put the defence at the disadvantage of not being able to use their keeper.
Teams losing a man particularly against the wind are at an even bigger disadvantage
The punishment for 3v3 violations is more severe than any type of foul anywhere else on the pitch except fouls the result in penalties.
Also hard to officiate as tonight showed with linesmen making a couple of costly mistakes,
3 v 3 and two pointers are a nonsense, but the solo and go I thought sped up the game.
I liked the solo and go to a large extent but I had a particular problem with the two pointers, the 3v3 and most especially the rule on the keeper being largely unable to get involved in his own half which in turn rewards fouling by the attacking team in that half
Persistent fouling should result in yellow cards so itd be a short term win to keep doing it. Refs need to be tuned in to it though and not let teams away with it.
Quote from: lenny on January 27, 2025, 09:02:30 PMQuote from: David McKeown on January 27, 2025, 08:48:27 PMQuote from: Applesisapples on January 27, 2025, 02:27:18 PMQuote from: David McKeown on January 25, 2025, 07:33:40 PMI think whilst there some positives that come from the new rules we also saw a lot of the negatives from them.
On a number of occasions a team benefitted from fouling a defender because it put the defence at the disadvantage of not being able to use their keeper.
Teams losing a man particularly against the wind are at an even bigger disadvantage
The punishment for 3v3 violations is more severe than any type of foul anywhere else on the pitch except fouls the result in penalties.
Also hard to officiate as tonight showed with linesmen making a couple of costly mistakes,
3 v 3 and two pointers are a nonsense, but the solo and go I thought sped up the game.
I liked the solo and go to a large extent but I had a particular problem with the two pointers, the 3v3 and most especially the rule on the keeper being largely unable to get involved in his own half which in turn rewards fouling by the attacking team in that half
Persistent fouling should result in yellow cards so itd be a short term win to keep doing it. Refs need to be tuned in to it though and not let teams away with it.
Doesnt need to be persistent to gain an advantage. At least 5 times in the 2.5 matches i watched over the weekend the attacking team fouled the keeper preventing any form of solo and go. They then pressed. The defensive team effectively a man short on their own free because the keeper couldnt be used then struggled to get out of their own half. Each time a score resulted as the team who had been the beneficiary of the free couldnt control the ball and get up the pitch. That shouldnt happen a team should not be able to benefit from their own foul
Quote from: lenny on January 27, 2025, 09:02:30 PMQuote from: David McKeown on January 27, 2025, 08:48:27 PMQuote from: Applesisapples on January 27, 2025, 02:27:18 PMQuote from: David McKeown on January 25, 2025, 07:33:40 PMI think whilst there some positives that come from the new rules we also saw a lot of the negatives from them.
On a number of occasions a team benefitted from fouling a defender because it put the defence at the disadvantage of not being able to use their keeper.
Teams losing a man particularly against the wind are at an even bigger disadvantage
The punishment for 3v3 violations is more severe than any type of foul anywhere else on the pitch except fouls the result in penalties.
Also hard to officiate as tonight showed with linesmen making a couple of costly mistakes,
3 v 3 and two pointers are a nonsense, but the solo and go I thought sped up the game.
I liked the solo and go to a large extent but I had a particular problem with the two pointers, the 3v3 and most especially the rule on the keeper being largely unable to get involved in his own half which in turn rewards fouling by the attacking team in that half
Persistent fouling should result in yellow cards so itd be a short term win to keep doing it. Refs need to be tuned in to it though and not let teams away with it.
Not really, if 3/4 players commit one or two fouls each they won't all get booked, but that's a fair few frees that you'll be under pressure with. Although theres always the solo and go.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 26, 2025, 10:09:57 PMWatching Armagh highlights there, that option of taking a 3v3 breach out to by the 2pt line is a load of balls.
It's totally illogical, presume it just hadn't been properly considered until someone realised it might be an option. You'd imagine it'll be changed like they did with the 45m free.
I don't like the 2 pointers in general, I understand the thinking that it will help open up space in behind it, but it totally undermines the value of a goal and reduces the incentive to try and work one.
I think the gaa officials who insisted that the goal value be reduced back down to 3 to avoid hammerings in a few provincial games failed to understand how easy knocking over a few 2 pointers might be for quality teams playing weaker opposition. It's more likely they'll kick 4 or 5 2 pointers in such a game than 4 or 5 goals.
The 4 point goal would also help to change the equation around goalkeepers joining the attack and allowing that, albeit limited, tedious keepball scenario to develop.
Quote from: onefineday on January 29, 2025, 01:28:26 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on January 26, 2025, 10:09:57 PMWatching Armagh highlights there, that option of taking a 3v3 breach out to by the 2pt line is a load of balls.
It's totally illogical, presume it just hadn't been properly considered until someone realised it might be an option. You'd imagine it'll be changed like they did with the 45m free.
I don't like the 2 pointers in general, I understand the thinking that it will help open up space in behind it, but it totally undermines the value of a goal and reduces the incentive to try and work one.
I think the gaa officials who insisted that the goal value be reduced back down to 3 to avoid hammerings in a few provincial games failed to understand how easy knocking over a few 2 pointers might be for quality teams playing weaker opposition. It's more likely they'll kick 4 or 5 2 pointers in such a game than 4 or 5 goals.
The 4 point goal would also help to change the equation around goalkeepers joining the attack and allowing that, albeit limited, tedious keepball scenario to develop.
Not too many games have 4 or five goals in a team, unless its a club juvenile game
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 29, 2025, 08:57:24 AMQuote from: onefineday on January 29, 2025, 01:28:26 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on January 26, 2025, 10:09:57 PMWatching Armagh highlights there, that option of taking a 3v3 breach out to by the 2pt line is a load of balls.
It's totally illogical, presume it just hadn't been properly considered until someone realised it might be an option. You'd imagine it'll be changed like they did with the 45m free.
I don't like the 2 pointers in general, I understand the thinking that it will help open up space in behind it, but it totally undermines the value of a goal and reduces the incentive to try and work one.
I think the gaa officials who insisted that the goal value be reduced back down to 3 to avoid hammerings in a few provincial games failed to understand how easy knocking over a few 2 pointers might be for quality teams playing weaker opposition. It's more likely they'll kick 4 or 5 2 pointers in such a game than 4 or 5 goals.
The 4 point goal would also help to change the equation around goalkeepers joining the attack and allowing that, albeit limited, tedious keepball scenario to develop.
Not too many games have 4 or five goals in a team, unless its a club juvenile game
with a keeper playing half forward its very possible for goals to be scored nowadays. with 4 point goals these will happen much more often
Quote from: David McKeown on January 27, 2025, 10:21:48 PMQuote from: lenny on January 27, 2025, 09:02:30 PMQuote from: David McKeown on January 27, 2025, 08:48:27 PMQuote from: Applesisapples on January 27, 2025, 02:27:18 PMQuote from: David McKeown on January 25, 2025, 07:33:40 PMI think whilst there some positives that come from the new rules we also saw a lot of the negatives from them.
On a number of occasions a team benefitted from fouling a defender because it put the defence at the disadvantage of not being able to use their keeper.
Teams losing a man particularly against the wind are at an even bigger disadvantage
The punishment for 3v3 violations is more severe than any type of foul anywhere else on the pitch except fouls the result in penalties.
Also hard to officiate as tonight showed with linesmen making a couple of costly mistakes,
3 v 3 and two pointers are a nonsense, but the solo and go I thought sped up the game.
I liked the solo and go to a large extent but I had a particular problem with the two pointers, the 3v3 and most especially the rule on the keeper being largely unable to get involved in his own half which in turn rewards fouling by the attacking team in that half
Persistent fouling should result in yellow cards so itd be a short term win to keep doing it. Refs need to be tuned in to it though and not let teams away with it.
Doesnt need to be persistent to gain an advantage. At least 5 times in the 2.5 matches i watched over the weekend the attacking team fouled the keeper preventing any form of solo and go. They then pressed. The defensive team effectively a man short on their own free because the keeper couldnt be used then struggled to get out of their own half. Each time a score resulted as the team who had been the beneficiary of the free couldnt control the ball and get up the pitch. That shouldnt happen a team should not be able to benefit from their own foul
I think another player can take the solo and go but they would obviously need to be in close proximity to the keeper to do so.Is the keeper not allowed to use solo and go?Might be a tweak to the rule that may need amended as teams will target this when ball drops short just foul keeper.
Quote from: David McKeown on January 25, 2025, 07:33:40 PMI think whilst there some positives that come from the new rules we also saw a lot of the negatives from them.
On a number of occasions a team benefitted from fouling a defender because it put the defence at the disadvantage of not being able to use their keeper.
Teams losing a man particularly against the wind are at an even bigger disadvantage
The punishment for 3v3 violations is more severe than any type of foul anywhere else on the pitch except fouls the result in penalties.
Also hard to officiate as tonight showed with linesmen making a couple of costly mistakes,
There was an occasion where Blaine was fouled (high tackle) and the defender booked and when Hughes went to take the free there was nothing on and possession was given away again. Was there anything to stop him playing the solo and go even though the referee had stopped play to for the booking?
Quote from: APM on January 29, 2025, 03:35:04 PMQuote from: David McKeown on January 25, 2025, 07:33:40 PMI think whilst there some positives that come from the new rules we also saw a lot of the negatives from them.
On a number of occasions a team benefitted from fouling a defender because it put the defence at the disadvantage of not being able to use their keeper.
Teams losing a man particularly against the wind are at an even bigger disadvantage
The punishment for 3v3 violations is more severe than any type of foul anywhere else on the pitch except fouls the result in penalties.
Also hard to officiate as tonight showed with linesmen making a couple of costly mistakes,
There was an occasion where Blaine was fouled (high tackle) and the defender booked and when Hughes went to take the free there was nothing on and possession was given away again. Was there anything to stop him playing the solo and go even though the referee had stopped play to for the booking?
All it says in the rules is fhe solo and go must be taken immediately and that you can't go backwards. Definitely something worth looking at imo, if the game is stopped because the fouled player is injured/the ref needs to book someone then the fouled team shouldn't be disadvantaged. Hope that is clarified by the rule makers, good point.
In the rules of before and now, if a player is injured (high tackle) play is stopped, player booked, regardless.
There is a player requiring attention, that's the main thing surely, not whether you're disadvantaged?
If there is an accidental collision and players are down okay stopped, hop ball
Solo and go can only work for a minor infraction when injuries or cards are not happening. How on earth the ref's will note and card players on the move and dish out cards at a natural break will be interesting
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 29, 2025, 06:18:18 PMIn the rules of before and now, if a player is injured (high tackle) play is stopped, player booked, regardless.
There is a player requiring attention, that's the main thing surely, not whether you're disadvantaged?
If there is an accidental collision and players are down okay stopped, hop ball
Solo and go can only work for a minor infraction when injuries or cards are not happening. How on earth the ref's will note and card players on the move and dish out cards at a natural break will be interesting
I agree that player safety is paramount but the team whose player was injured shouldn't be disadvantaged. By the use of the new rule on keepers they are. That needs changed. The change isn't play on with an injured player getting treatment. It's the non use of the keeper in their own half that needs looked at.
So fixtures this weekend throw up some interesting ties.
Mayo v Galway - Galway by 3
Armagh v Tyrone - Tyrone by 5
Donegal v Dublin - Donegal by 2
Derry v Kerry - Draw
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 30, 2025, 01:19:59 PMSo fixtures this weekend throw up some interesting ties.
Mayo v Galway - Galway by 3
Armagh v Tyrone - Tyrone by 5
Donegal v Dublin - Donegal by 2
Derry v Kerry - Draw
Galway by 4
Tyrone by 6
Donegal by 4
Kerry by 11
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 30, 2025, 03:36:19 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on January 30, 2025, 01:19:59 PMSo fixtures this weekend throw up some interesting ties.
Mayo v Galway - Galway by 3
Armagh v Tyrone - Tyrone by 5
Donegal v Dublin - Donegal by 2
Derry v Kerry - Draw
Galway by 4
Tyrone by 6
Donegal by 4
Kerry by 11
Derry to lose by that margin to a Kerry outfit without 8 or 9 first choice players?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 30, 2025, 03:46:50 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 30, 2025, 03:36:19 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on January 30, 2025, 01:19:59 PMSo fixtures this weekend throw up some interesting ties.
Mayo v Galway - Galway by 3
Armagh v Tyrone - Tyrone by 5
Donegal v Dublin - Donegal by 2
Derry v Kerry - Draw
Galway by 4
Tyrone by 6
Donegal by 4
Kerry by 11
Derry to lose by that margin to a Kerry outfit without 8 or 9 first choice players?
Might have went a bit extreme there...Didn't realize Kerry were as depleted. I think Derry will struggle with the new rules outside of McGuigan I don't think they have the firepower.
Their success came from a exceptional manager who micromanaged everything they did.
If they get some the minors through though it could be a different story however.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 30, 2025, 09:08:07 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on January 30, 2025, 03:46:50 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 30, 2025, 03:36:19 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on January 30, 2025, 01:19:59 PMSo fixtures this weekend throw up some interesting ties.
Mayo v Galway - Galway by 3
Armagh v Tyrone - Tyrone by 5
Donegal v Dublin - Donegal by 2
Derry v Kerry - Draw
Galway by 4
Tyrone by 6
Donegal by 4
Kerry by 11
Derry to lose by that margin to a Kerry outfit without 8 or 9 first choice players?
Might have went a bit extreme there...Didn't realize Kerry were as depleted. I think Derry will struggle with the new rules outside of McGuigan I don't think they have the firepower.
Their success came from a exceptional manager who micromanaged everything they did.
If they get some the minors through though it could be a different story however.
New rules, modern football ie a spread of scorers as is the norm, but, much more space hopefully, strong runners....But I'll concede to the all seeing Septic Peg. Will go with Kerry by 8 and try and pay off the summer holiday 🤝
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 30, 2025, 09:08:07 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on January 30, 2025, 03:46:50 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 30, 2025, 03:36:19 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on January 30, 2025, 01:19:59 PMSo fixtures this weekend throw up some interesting ties.
Mayo v Galway - Galway by 3
Armagh v Tyrone - Tyrone by 5
Donegal v Dublin - Donegal by 2
Derry v Kerry - Draw
Galway by 4
Tyrone by 6
Donegal by 4
Kerry by 11
Derry to lose by that margin to a Kerry outfit without 8 or 9 first choice players?
Might have went a bit extreme there...Didn't realize Kerry were as depleted. I think Derry will struggle with the new rules outside of McGuigan I don't think they have the firepower.
Their success came from a exceptional manager who micromanaged everything they did.
If they get some the minors through though it could be a different story however.
Derry are depleted too.
I think we have scores in us if we can get primary possession and we have runners (when injury free).
At the minute we are missing McKinless, McGrogan, McCloskey and Loughlin (maybe others too). Mckinless, McGrogan and Mcloskey are huge loses for Derry and seriously limit our running from deep game.
Add to that we struggle to win kickouts in the middle 8, leaves us in a difficult position I feel.
But we are at home, kerry too are depleted and typically don't start strongly in the league, so I'm hoping for a draw.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 30, 2025, 09:08:07 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on January 30, 2025, 03:46:50 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 30, 2025, 03:36:19 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on January 30, 2025, 01:19:59 PMSo fixtures this weekend throw up some interesting ties.
Mayo v Galway - Galway by 3
Armagh v Tyrone - Tyrone by 5
Donegal v Dublin - Donegal by 2
Derry v Kerry - Draw
Galway by 4
Tyrone by 6
Donegal by 4
Kerry by 11
Derry to lose by that margin to a Kerry outfit without 8 or 9 first choice players?
Might have went a bit extreme there...Didn't realize Kerry were as depleted. I think Derry will struggle with the new rules outside of McGuigan I don't think they have the firepower.
Their success came from a exceptional manager who micromanaged everything they did.
If they get some the minors through though it could be a different story however.
Isn't every successful team micromanaged. Look at the best 3 teams in the country last year. Armagh, Donegal, Galway, all have very rigid structures with specific roles for their players. Derry's first 15 is very strong but their squad is weaker than the other top teams
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 31, 2025, 10:24:21 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 30, 2025, 09:08:07 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on January 30, 2025, 03:46:50 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 30, 2025, 03:36:19 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on January 30, 2025, 01:19:59 PMSo fixtures this weekend throw up some interesting ties.
Mayo v Galway - Galway by 3
Armagh v Tyrone - Tyrone by 5
Donegal v Dublin - Donegal by 2
Derry v Kerry - Draw
Galway by 4
Tyrone by 6
Donegal by 4
Kerry by 11
Derry to lose by that margin to a Kerry outfit without 8 or 9 first choice players?
Might have went a bit extreme there...Didn't realize Kerry were as depleted. I think Derry will struggle with the new rules outside of McGuigan I don't think they have the firepower.
Their success came from a exceptional manager who micromanaged everything they did.
If they get some the minors through though it could be a different story however.
Derry are depleted too.
I think we have scores in us if we can get primary possession and we have runners (when injury free).
At the minute we are missing McKinless, McGrogan, McCloskey and Loughlin (maybe others too). Mckinless, McGrogan and Mcloskey are huge loses for Derry and seriously limit our running from deep game.
Add to that we struggle to win kickouts in the middle 8, leaves us in a difficult position I feel.
But we are at home, kerry too are depleted and typically don't start strongly in the league, so I'm hoping for a draw.
Derry midfield be considered stronger than Kerry's wouldn't they? I like the look of Joe and Diarmuid O'Connor but you'd imagine Glass and Rodgers would be able to outshine them. Unless you're talking about the breaking balls I'd agree, Kerry could get the upper hand there
There's a bit of a misconception about Derry's midfield. Glass and Rogers are brilliant all round footballers in defence and attack but it's not too often they win the midfield battle when it's pumped long. You can look at Kerry in the 2022 AISF, Donegal/Armagh/Kerry last year and Tyrone last weekend have all been a struggle in the middle of the field.
With the new rules meaning more midfield balls are contested we either need to find a dominating midfielder or come up with some innovative strategies for winning break ball!
Quote from: screenexile on January 31, 2025, 11:38:57 AMThere's a bit of a misconception about Derry's midfield. Glass and Rogers are brilliant all round footballers in defence and attack but it's not too often they win the midfield battle when it's pumped long. You can look at Kerry in the 2022 AISF, Donegal/Armagh/Kerry last year and Tyrone last weekend have all been a struggle in the middle of the field.
With the new rules meaning more midfield balls are contested we either need to find a dominating midfielder or come up with some innovative strategies for winning break ball!
Agreed, the new rules mean a potential throwback to the old days, where a big midfielder was thrown in to win ball or break ball. At times you love nothing more than a midfield battle in the air, but that can change when your team is trailing and your goalkeeper is kicking it out to a 50/50 ffs.
Mayo v Galway - Galway to lay down a marker against the old foe.
Armagh v Tyrone - Home advantage leaves this a tight game, will be won by whoever is more disciplined with the rules.
Donegal v Dublin - Donegal - feel they are raring to get going.
Derry v Kerry - Derry funny enough. They have a game over them already, and have home advantage.
Quote from: screenexile on January 31, 2025, 11:38:57 AMThere's a bit of a misconception about Derry's midfield. Glass and Rogers are brilliant all round footballers in defence and attack but it's not too often they win the midfield battle when it's pumped long. You can look at Kerry in the 2022 AISF, Donegal/Armagh/Kerry last year and Tyrone last weekend have all been a struggle in the middle of the field.
With the new rules meaning more midfield balls are contested we either need to find a dominating midfielder or come up with some innovative strategies for winning break ball!
I did read/hear someone somewhere was complaining that there weren't all that much of an increase in clean catches as a result of the increased number of long kickouts at the weekend but that there was an increase in broken ball around the midfield. Maybe that was related to the weather conditions at the weekend but it's one where I think it will take a bit of time to figure out and to see how teams approach the kickout.
Also I don't know how useful the older big man immobile midfielder at midfield will be given the amount of running needed under the new rules.
It does cause me to cast my mind back 30 years and being present when two of these big lad midfield specimens who weren't too fond of running, agreed a pact in a nightclub over pints the night before a match to stay as close to the centre of the pitch and do as little running as possible. They figured each of them could always claim the reason they weren't moving was because the other man wasn't moving and they were marking them. Two of the tighest man marking jobs I ever saw on a pitch.
Normally after the first weekend of the league I'd feel as if I had some sort of sense of where teams were but even excluding Donegal and Kerry, I think becuase of the new rules it's much harder to get a sense of what sort of form teams are at.
I do feel both Derry and Dublin have an advantage over Kerry and Donegal in having an actual competitive game under the new rules played.
If you'd a monster of a midfielder who was guaranteed to catch every kickout and was fit to give a decent kickpass to a player in space it'd be grand if he didn't move apart from that. Realistically though players who aren't fairly mobile don't really exist even at decent club level never mind county.
Just think of big men round the middle for Armagh, Crealey, Grimley, Rian all big lads who are good in the air but can get up and down the field to get scores and also get back defending, Kennedy and Kilpatrick for Tyrone, Conor Glass, big Ó Cofaigh Byrne all big strong lads who can catch ball but mobile as well.
The long kickouts in the Hyde invariably had 8 or 10 players contesting them.
Based on the Kerry team I expect (similar if not same as was named last weekend) then it's tight but you'd imagine Derry with home advantage and a game played might have an edge.
Joe O'Connor still out injured too so not exactly the most solid midfield will be lining out for us.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 31, 2025, 05:13:25 PMIf you'd a monster of a midfielder who was guaranteed to catch every kickout and was fit to give a decent kickpass to a player in space it'd be grand if he didn't move apart from that. Realistically though players who aren't fairly mobile don't really exist even at decent club level never mind county.
Just think of big men round the middle for Armagh, Crealey, Grimley, Rian all big lads who are good in the air but can get up and down the field to get scores and also get back defending, Kennedy and Kilpatrick for Tyrone, Conor Glass, big Ó Cofaigh Byrne all big strong lads who can catch ball but mobile as well.
Yeah I supposed even the big lads tend to be fairly mobile nowadays compared to back in the day when you'd a good few who'd barely cross a 65 in either direction from one end of the year to the next.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 31, 2025, 05:14:44 PMThe long kickouts in the Hyde invariably had 8 or 10 players contesting them.
I was surprised there wasn't more quick kickouts at the weekend (even long ones) - maybe its because it's early in the season and teams haven't cottoned on to it yet but you'd imagine with the new rules that keepers will start taking quicker kickouts and try to pick out a teammate in space before every long rather than taking their chances on kicking it out to a mass of players and hoping to win a 50/50.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 31, 2025, 05:14:44 PMThe long kickouts in the Hyde invariably had 8 or 10 players contesting them.
Kevin McStay after the Dublin game last weekend said the day of high fielding in midfield is less and less nowadays with things so congested in the middle eight. Winning the breaking ball and turnovers are key now he said
The team with the best dirty ball winners will control that area from kick outs
Definitely potential with the 3 up for someone with a boot like Morgan/ Beggan to send one over the top with more teams opting to press high, that threat could see teams still drop off slightly and maybe leave more space around the arc to get the shorter kick off?
Same starting 15 for Mayo this weekend which probably means they will make changes before throw in?
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And the Galway team.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gipli_tWMAAqK3s?format=jpg&name=small)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 31, 2025, 06:21:19 PMThe team with the best dirty ball winners will control that area from kick outs
True in any era
All teams should have a deadline to release there teams by 7pm on a Friday nite. It a balls trying to work out u 24 maybe late the nite before the game
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 31, 2025, 09:10:25 PMAll teams should have a deadline to release there teams by 7pm on a Friday nite. It a balls trying to work out u 24 maybe late the nite before the game
Just wondering can teams change the 24 named for the national league or do they have to remain the same? Or is that just for championship
Quote from: Mario on January 31, 2025, 08:06:27 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 31, 2025, 06:21:19 PMThe team with the best dirty ball winners will control that area from kick outs
True in any era
Not when teams were doing the short kick outs
No Micheal Murphy on the Donegal 26.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gip1Ii_XQAA1vOQ?format=jpg&name=large)
Dublin continue with experimental team
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Brutal looking starting 15 for Armagh, Tyrone by 7.
Armagh off to a good start 0-2 to no score after 5 minutes.
Tyrone awful so far, letting Armagh dictate matters.
Very few Tyrone players prepared to take responsibility and shoot.
Armagh's kicking accuracy is very good.
Tyrone's handpassing accuracy is dreadful.
Tyrone's first score after 16 minutes. 0-4 to 0-1
Armagh may press their wind advantage when they have it. The 3 point lead they hold isn't worth much
9 after 20 minutes is good though!!
Is it a 2 pointer if goalie palms it over? Last player to touch the ball... correct decision I'd have thought, Morgan pushed long range kick over the crossbar. Commentator saying otherwise
Christ. Derry are bad on this performance.
Quote from: Truthsayer on February 01, 2025, 06:28:58 PMIs it a 2 pointer if goalie palms it over? Last player to touch the ball... correct decision I'd have thought, Morgan pushed long range kick over the crossbar. Commentator saying otherwise
Deflected two-point attempts are only worth one point.
Even allowing for the strong breeze this is pathetic from Tyrone.
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 01, 2025, 06:33:48 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 01, 2025, 06:28:58 PMIs it a 2 pointer if goalie palms it over? Last player to touch the ball... correct decision I'd have thought, Morgan pushed long range kick over the crossbar. Commentator saying otherwise
Deflected two-point attempts are only worth one point.
Aye was thinking ref got it correct
Armagh getting real greedy there, take the basic point.
Armagh made decent use for the wind advantage in that 1st half. Also helps when you have better strength in depth than Tyrone.
G that looked the most straight forward penalty with the ref 5m away.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 01, 2025, 06:41:41 PMG that looked the most straight forward penalty with the ref 5m away.
As clear a penalty as you'll ever see.
Half time Armagh 1-14 Tyrone 0-3. Armagh have wasted some big goal chances. Could have been a penalty for Tyrone just before the break.
The problem with 2pters is that it can mean a team can get a big lead and never be clawed bck, killing any sort of decent game early on.
Kennedy was fouled there. Stonewall penalty not given.
Impressive from Armagh but f**k knows what will happen in 2nd half, Tyrone with wind into the shooting goals as well. Tyrone have been pish tho, green as grass.
Quote from: clarshack on February 01, 2025, 06:43:07 PMKennedy was fouled there. Stonewall penalty not given.
Joe Mc Quillan would give Tyrone nowt
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 01, 2025, 06:43:03 PMThe problem with 2pters is that it can mean a team can get a big lead and never be clawed bck, killing any sort of decent game early on.
If opponents sit back it's on them... good rule.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 01, 2025, 06:43:03 PMThe problem with 2pters is that it can mean a team can get a big lead and never be clawed bck, killing any sort of decent game early on.
Is that not the point of it? Advantage to people who can kick the ball accurately.
It's not about keeping a game tight. Otherwise we'd only keep the score in the last 5 mins of a game.
Is exciting as well when an attack breaks down that defending team has so many players still up forward.
Despite the naysayers these rules are improving things tho that wouldn't have been hard to dom
Wind a double advantage now, as Enda McGinley said teams can clog up the D and its virtually impossible to score from anywhere outside the small semi circle. Risk too high to involve Morgan due to long kick to 3 up.
How has Joe not given that penalty tho, seriously he was 15 yards away staring straight at it?
Tyrone absolutely asleep out there - giving Armagh so much time and space and Armagh taking advantage of it.
Quote from: clarshack on February 01, 2025, 06:43:07 PMKennedy was fouled there. Stonewall penalty not given.
He seemed to trip over Rafferty who had gone to ground, seen them given but definitely not a deliberate foul. Kennedy then remonstrated with the ref so should've been penalised for that.
Quote from: lenny on February 01, 2025, 06:52:50 PMQuote from: clarshack on February 01, 2025, 06:43:07 PMKennedy was fouled there. Stonewall penalty not given.
He seemed to trip over Rafferty who had gone to ground, seen them given but definitely not a deliberate foul. Kennedy then remonstrated with the ref so should've been penalised for that.
Penalised? How? He blew haf time whistle
Kennedy was clearly fouled by the Armagh centre-back before the ball arrived in.
I'd be blaming the umpires for missing that one.
Armagh very impressive. Joe mc quillian showing again how poor he is. Only real decision to make and he makes a balls of it
How commentators not even know rule bout keeper push ball over the bar therefore not two pointer? Some pundits they are, saying should have been 2 pointer.
Quote from: Truthsayer on February 01, 2025, 06:54:48 PMQuote from: lenny on February 01, 2025, 06:52:50 PMQuote from: clarshack on February 01, 2025, 06:43:07 PMKennedy was fouled there. Stonewall penalty not given.
He seemed to trip over Rafferty who had gone to ground, seen them given but definitely not a deliberate foul. Kennedy then remonstrated with the ref so should've been penalised for that.
Penalised? How? He blew haf time whistle
Rafferty rolled into Kennedy while he was on the ground. Penalty for me
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 01, 2025, 06:58:35 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 01, 2025, 06:54:48 PMQuote from: lenny on February 01, 2025, 06:52:50 PMQuote from: clarshack on February 01, 2025, 06:43:07 PMKennedy was fouled there. Stonewall penalty not given.
He seemed to trip over Rafferty who had gone to ground, seen them given but definitely not a deliberate foul. Kennedy then remonstrated with the ref so should've been penalised for that.
Penalised? How? He blew haf time whistle
Rafferty rolled into Kennedy while he was on the ground. Penalty for me
Why, what happened you?
With the strong breeze Tyrone not even attempting to kick from distance.
I think these Tyrone players believed their own hype after the Derry game
Dropping it short now into keepers hands from a very scoreable position and then Armagh go up and get a point. Blow it up ref.
Tyrone are clueless
Quote from: Truthsayer on February 01, 2025, 06:54:48 PMQuote from: lenny on February 01, 2025, 06:52:50 PMQuote from: clarshack on February 01, 2025, 06:43:07 PMKennedy was fouled there. Stonewall penalty not given.
He seemed to trip over Rafferty who had gone to ground, seen them given but definitely not a deliberate foul. Kennedy then remonstrated with the ref so should've been penalised for that.
Penalised? How? He blew haf time whistle
I know he blew for half time but it's the first bit of dissent I've seen so I'd like to have seen how he dealt with it.
Quote from: lenny on February 01, 2025, 07:17:45 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 01, 2025, 06:54:48 PMQuote from: lenny on February 01, 2025, 06:52:50 PMQuote from: clarshack on February 01, 2025, 06:43:07 PMKennedy was fouled there. Stonewall penalty not given.
He seemed to trip over Rafferty who had gone to ground, seen them given but definitely not a deliberate foul. Kennedy then remonstrated with the ref so should've been penalised for that.
Penalised? How? He blew haf time whistle
I know he blew for half time but it's the first bit of dissent I've seen so I'd like to have seen how he dealt with it.
Would be move forward 50 metres... but he blew for halftime..
Quote from: Mario on February 01, 2025, 07:07:05 PMI think these Tyrone players believed their own hype after the Derry game
I don't think beating Derry was seen as any big achievement tbh.
Quote from: Mario on February 01, 2025, 07:07:05 PMI think these Tyrone players believed their own hype after the Derry game
Hype? Was no hype here.. Derry are useless
Quote from: Truthsayer on February 01, 2025, 07:24:38 PMQuote from: Mario on February 01, 2025, 07:07:05 PMI think these Tyrone players believed their own hype after the Derry game
Hype? Was no hype here.. Derry are useless
lol... heard plenty of hype all week at work!!!
Quote from: Truthsayer on February 01, 2025, 07:24:38 PMQuote from: Mario on February 01, 2025, 07:07:05 PMI think these Tyrone players believed their own hype after the Derry game
Hype? Was no hype here.. Derry are useless
Sure Tyrone ones had themselves in an All Ireland final and lifting Sam not many weeks ago.
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on February 01, 2025, 07:26:26 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 01, 2025, 07:24:38 PMQuote from: Mario on February 01, 2025, 07:07:05 PMI think these Tyrone players believed their own hype after the Derry game
Hype? Was no hype here.. Derry are useless
Sure Tyrone ones had themselves in an All Ireland final and lifting Sam not many weeks ago.
That's 2021 you're thinking of ;D
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on February 01, 2025, 07:26:26 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 01, 2025, 07:24:38 PMQuote from: Mario on February 01, 2025, 07:07:05 PMI think these Tyrone players believed their own hype after the Derry game
Hype? Was no hype here.. Derry are useless
Sure Tyrone ones had themselves in an All Ireland final and lifting Sam not many weeks ago.
Captain Obvious called, he wants his posts back!!
Quote from: Truthsayer on February 01, 2025, 07:24:38 PMQuote from: Mario on February 01, 2025, 07:07:05 PMI think these Tyrone players believed their own hype after the Derry game
Hype? Was no hype here.. Derry are useless
They were useless in that game but it was like a championship game for Tyrone with a new manager after barely winning a game in 3 years. He needed to hit the ground running
Quote from: Mario on February 01, 2025, 07:33:14 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 01, 2025, 07:24:38 PMQuote from: Mario on February 01, 2025, 07:07:05 PMI think these Tyrone players believed their own hype after the Derry game
Hype? Was no hype here.. Derry are useless
They were useless in that game but it was like a championship game for Tyrone with a new manager after barely winning a game in 3 years. He needed to hit the ground running
Keep telling yourself that. 😂
Not one Tyrone player wanted to shoot for a 2 pointer there.
Cathal McShane still getting a run out. Christ of almighty.
FT Armagh 1-23 Tyrone 0-19.
Hopefully Donegal Dublin will be better. Armagh on a different level there.
Quote from: clarshack on February 01, 2025, 07:34:49 PMNot one Tyrone player wanted to shoot for a 2 pointer there.
Did they not get a couple of two pointers. McKernan shot for them. No panic .. early days. Hotel booked for September or July or watever it is. . 4-2
Why did McKernans last point not count for 2?
Keeper touched it.
Quote from: OakLeaf on February 01, 2025, 07:38:06 PMHopefully Donegal Dublin will be better. Armagh on a different level there.
Are Armagh peaking too early?
Great night all round with Armagh winning well and Tyrone well beaten.
Dublin with a different jersey tonight. Did they get rid of last weeks one after one game?
Quote from: Truthsayer on February 01, 2025, 07:38:47 PMQuote from: clarshack on February 01, 2025, 07:34:49 PMNot one Tyrone player wanted to shoot for a 2 pointer there.
Did they not get a couple of two pointers. McKernan shot for them. No panic .. early days. Hotel booked for September or July or watever it is. . 4-2
Was talking about one particular piece of play in which they were just passing to each other. McElholm at least should have shot in that instance.
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on February 01, 2025, 07:44:19 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on February 01, 2025, 07:38:06 PMHopefully Donegal Dublin will be better. Armagh on a different level there.
Are Armagh peaking too early?
😀 I wouldn't read too much into anything at this stage.
Quote from: clarshack on February 01, 2025, 07:47:27 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 01, 2025, 07:38:47 PMQuote from: clarshack on February 01, 2025, 07:34:49 PMNot one Tyrone player wanted to shoot for a 2 pointer there.
Did they not get a couple of two pointers. McKernan shot for them. No panic .. early days. Hotel booked for September or July or watever it is. . 4-2
Was talking about one particular piece of play in which they were just passing to each other. McElholm at least should have shot in that instance.
Ok... old habits die hard...
20 minutes in and finally a team (Dublin) tries a foot pass into the corner.
Otherwise still the same slow possession football ending up with a hopeful shot from 30m out on the wing.
Armagh Tyrone throughouly enjoyable. AI champions played some class football. The game should look even better in the summer. Jim Gavin may have just brought some life to the sport.
Enjoyed that. Thought we were superb first half. Tyrone made a game of it second half. Our scores at the start of the second half very important
Half time Donegal 0-11 Dublin 0-6
Oisin should have taken the easy point. Could be vital with that wind and rain against them second half.
Surprised the Donegal keeper not asked to change the light blue geansaí by our Paddy.
Quote from: J70 on February 01, 2025, 08:09:49 PMOisin should have taken the easy point. Could be vital with that wind and rain against them second half.
Maybe, but you'd expect somebody of his quality to be putting that over. Daire O'Baoille is turning into a top class player.
Quote from: weareros on February 01, 2025, 08:12:02 PMSurprised the Donegal keeper not asked to change the light blue geansaí by our Paddy.
Surprised McGuinness didn't have him change it!
Quote from: J70 on February 01, 2025, 08:09:49 PMOisin should have taken the easy point. Could be vital with that wind and rain against them second half.
Dublin have no forwards outside of Basquel. Bugler very quiet. Donegal could win this well. Cleaning Dublin out at midfield.
Quote from: OakLeaf on February 01, 2025, 08:12:30 PMQuote from: J70 on February 01, 2025, 08:09:49 PMOisin should have taken the easy point. Could be vital with that wind and rain against them second half.
Maybe, but you'd expect somebody of his quality to be putting that over. Daire O'Baoille is turning into a top class player.
He missed from a similar distance earlier, albeit more towards the wing. But I can see why he wanted to try it, especially on his home club pitch.
O'Boail is a deadly shooter for sure. On the other hand, Langan, Thompson and Gallen haven't really had a try yet.
Quote from: Gael85 on February 01, 2025, 08:20:32 PMQuote from: J70 on February 01, 2025, 08:09:49 PMOisin should have taken the easy point. Could be vital with that wind and rain against them second half.
Dublin have no forwards outside of Basquel. Bugler very quiet. Donegal could win this well. Cleaning Dublin out at midfield.
We'll see. Their kick out struggled against that wind.
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on February 01, 2025, 07:26:26 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 01, 2025, 07:24:38 PMQuote from: Mario on February 01, 2025, 07:07:05 PMI think these Tyrone players believed their own hype after the Derry game
Hype? Was no hype here.. Derry are useless
Sure Tyrone ones had themselves in an All Ireland final and lifting Sam not many weeks ago.
Who had? Why are you making stuff up?
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on February 01, 2025, 07:44:19 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on February 01, 2025, 07:38:06 PMHopefully Donegal Dublin will be better. Armagh on a different level there.
Are Armagh peaking too early?
Not even close given we've probably 5 starters and a few impact subs not involved lol.
Good win, don't like the 2 pointer rule in the wind tbh and the 3 up is just un natural, having to check how many are in the half before you make a support run or track back, ridiculous.
Anyway, good win and good to see some of the fringe players stepping up. Big 2 points there and have to say the home support was superb.
Quote from: J70 on February 01, 2025, 08:21:27 PMQuote from: Gael85 on February 01, 2025, 08:20:32 PMQuote from: J70 on February 01, 2025, 08:09:49 PMOisin should have taken the easy point. Could be vital with that wind and rain against them second half.
Dublin have no forwards outside of Basquel. Bugler very quiet. Donegal could win this well. Cleaning Dublin out at midfield.
We'll see. Their kick out struggled against that wind.
Armagh and Tyrone both struggled against the wind to win kick outs.
Quote from: bennydorano on February 01, 2025, 05:57:14 PMBrutal looking starting 15 for Armagh, Tyrone by 7.
This aged well. To be fair I said something similar before the late changes.
All to play for with 20 minutes to play. Donegal 0-14 Dublin 0-13
Is that not Jamie Brennan who came on?
You lads not afford a orange bib up in Donegal?
Donegal must have used all the subs. Mogan is clearly injured.
Gallen is an absolute Rolls Royce of a footballer. The balance he has is magical and can turn on a sixpence. Just as good creating as scoring.
Is Joel Bradley Walsh around the Donegal panel? Saw him for MacCumhaills in and early round championship match last summer and he was excellent.
50m for querying a decision, does the sentence match the crime.
FT Donegal 0-20 Dublin 0-16
Quote from: gallsman on February 01, 2025, 09:06:18 PMGallen is an absolute Rolls Royce of a footballer. The balance he has is magical and can turn on a sixpence. Just as good creating as scoring.
Is Joel Bradley Walsh around the Donegal panel? Saw him for MacCumhaills in and early round championship match last summer and he was excellent.
He's back with Finn Harps for the coming season.
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 01, 2025, 09:10:05 PMFT Donegal 0-20 Dublin 0-16
Absolutely vital win for us with a strong team out. Good performance though for the first run out of the year.
Young Roarty did well I thought. People might recall Jim getting into bother this time last year for including him when he was too young.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 01, 2025, 09:07:33 PM50m for querying a decision, does the sentence match the crime.
If it removes it from the game, absolutely.
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 01, 2025, 08:24:47 PMQuote from: 93-DY-SAM on February 01, 2025, 07:26:26 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 01, 2025, 07:24:38 PMQuote from: Mario on February 01, 2025, 07:07:05 PMI think these Tyrone players believed their own hype after the Derry game
Hype? Was no hype here.. Derry are useless
Sure Tyrone ones had themselves in an All Ireland final and lifting Sam not many weeks ago.
Who had? Why are you making stuff up?
He's thinking of Derry winning the league last year and thinking All Ireland was a cert till Mickey Harte ruined that team :D
Quote from: J70 on February 01, 2025, 09:12:00 PMHe's back with Finn Harps for the coming season.
Yiz love yer soccer too much up there. Shame.
Quote from: Truthsayer on February 01, 2025, 09:16:51 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on February 01, 2025, 08:24:47 PMQuote from: 93-DY-SAM on February 01, 2025, 07:26:26 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 01, 2025, 07:24:38 PMQuote from: Mario on February 01, 2025, 07:07:05 PMI think these Tyrone players believed their own hype after the Derry game
Hype? Was no hype here.. Derry are useless
Sure Tyrone ones had themselves in an All Ireland final and lifting Sam not many weeks ago.
Who had? Why are you making stuff up?
He's thinking of Derry winning the league last year and thinking All Ireland was a cert till Mickey Harte ruined that team :D
Whatever happened on that overseas training trip ruined Derry and Harte didn't go on that trip and was against them when manager of Tyrone.
Quote from: gallsman on February 01, 2025, 09:19:04 PMQuote from: J70 on February 01, 2025, 09:12:00 PMHe's back with Finn Harps for the coming season.
Yiz love yer soccer too much up there. Shame.
Many's a would-be county player has ended up playing for Harps, that's for sure!
Quote from: David McKeown on February 01, 2025, 08:38:56 PMQuote from: bennydorano on February 01, 2025, 05:57:14 PMBrutal looking starting 15 for Armagh, Tyrone by 7.
This aged well. To be fair I said something similar before the late changes.
Delighted to he wrong. I watched last week's game in an airport and it looked so awful, I was writing off the season already. Tonight has to give a bit of confidence, tactics and discipline on point and still with a fair bit of a first 15 to come back in.
Quote from: bennydorano on February 01, 2025, 09:25:59 PMQuote from: David McKeown on February 01, 2025, 08:38:56 PMQuote from: bennydorano on February 01, 2025, 05:57:14 PMBrutal looking starting 15 for Armagh, Tyrone by 7.
This aged well. To be fair I said something similar before the late changes.
Delighted to he wrong. I watched last week's game in an airport and it looked so awful, I was writing off the season already. Tonight has to give a bit of confidence, tactics and discipline on point and still with a fair bit of a first 15 to come back in.
No frees for breaking the 3 man rule this week which is good snd the only 50m indiscretion was from Tyrone. Much improved. Jaysus you were early writing us off!
McQuillan, McCormack and Rafferty out of boys who weren't starting last year were very good tonight and put the hands up.
Armagh played great football at times. Great to watch long kick passing and high fielding again.Tyrone playing the usual stuff...sideways ,backwards...handpass ...more handpasses...sideways again...and so on
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 01, 2025, 09:33:34 PMQuote from: bennydorano on February 01, 2025, 09:25:59 PMQuote from: David McKeown on February 01, 2025, 08:38:56 PMQuote from: bennydorano on February 01, 2025, 05:57:14 PMBrutal looking starting 15 for Armagh, Tyrone by 7.
This aged well. To be fair I said something similar before the late changes.
Delighted to he wrong. I watched last week's game in an airport and it looked so awful, I was writing off the season already. Tonight has to give a bit of confidence, tactics and discipline on point and still with a fair bit of a first 15 to come back in.
No frees for breaking the 3 man rule this week which is good snd the only 50m indiscretion was from Tyrone. Much improved. Jaysus you were early writing us off!
McQuillan, McCormack and Rafferty out of boys who weren't starting last year were very good tonight and put the hands up.
Yeah I was a little pessimistic after last week. Thought Murnin, Rafferty and McQuillian were very good tonight.
Still don't like the new rules. Keeps teams in games too long particularly with the wind.
Have other issues with them too
Quote from: David McKeown on February 01, 2025, 09:44:36 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on February 01, 2025, 09:33:34 PMQuote from: bennydorano on February 01, 2025, 09:25:59 PMQuote from: David McKeown on February 01, 2025, 08:38:56 PMQuote from: bennydorano on February 01, 2025, 05:57:14 PMBrutal looking starting 15 for Armagh, Tyrone by 7.
This aged well. To be fair I said something similar before the late changes.
Delighted to he wrong. I watched last week's game in an airport and it looked so awful, I was writing off the season already. Tonight has to give a bit of confidence, tactics and discipline on point and still with a fair bit of a first 15 to come back in.
No frees for breaking the 3 man rule this week which is good snd the only 50m indiscretion was from Tyrone. Much improved. Jaysus you were early writing us off!
McQuillan, McCormack and Rafferty out of boys who weren't starting last year were very good tonight and put the hands up.
Yeah I was a little pessimistic after last week. Thought Murnin, Rafferty and McQuillian were very good tonight.
Still don't like the new rules. Keeps teams in games too long particularly with the wind.
Have other issues with them too
Agree, but then we wouldnt have been as far ahead without 2 pointers and if Tyrone had the chance to get a short kickout away we wouldn't have been able to win so many of theirs.
If Tyrone had players capable of catching a ball above their heads they wouldnt need short kickouts
Quote from: JPO on February 01, 2025, 09:56:37 PMIf Tyrone had players capable of catching a ball above their heads they wouldnt need short kickouts
Not sure if you watched the game but there wasn't that many clean catches from either team. All about the breaking ball and tbf Tyrone started to win a lot more break ball the second half.
I watched all the games on tv so far under the new rules and at least there were some high catches by Armagh players as there was last year. Its obvious now with the longer kickouts that most players are incapable of fielding a high ball. It shows the sorry state football is in.
Quote from: JPO on February 01, 2025, 10:13:06 PMI watched all the games on tv so far under the new rules and at least there were some high catches by Armagh players as there was last year. Its obvious now with the longer kickouts that most players are incapable of fielding a high ball. It shows the sorry state football is in.
If you're not training to catch a high ball because you've been working the short kick outs why is it difficult to not think the fielding them would be impossible
Quote from: JPO on February 01, 2025, 10:13:06 PMI watched all the games on tv so far under the new rules and at least there were some high catches by Armagh players as there was last year. Its obvious now with the longer kickouts that most players are incapable of fielding a high ball. It shows the sorry state football is in.
Very difficult to catch a ball thats hanging in the wind, handy for the other team to break it.
You also have to kick the ball into an area where the team not taking the kick out can have an extra man.
Write armagh off at your peril. Lads to return as follows.
Paddy Burns
Aaron Mckay
Rian ONeill
Oisin ONeill
Conor ONeill
Ciaran Mackin
Tiernan Kelly
Joe McElroy
Niall Grimley (banned obv)
There was virtually no high catching in any of the games on tv sisnce last weekend. The Dublin Donegal game this evening was as bad as anything I watched last year. The new kickout rule was designed to encourage the age old art of high fielding.Its obvious most modern players are not capable of doing it. Theyre also incapable of defending one on one. They were taught tactics ...marking space etc by coaches.
Quote from: 5times5times on February 01, 2025, 10:23:13 PMWrite armagh off at your peril. Lads to return as follows.
Paddy Burns
Aaron Mckay
Rian ONeill
Oisin ONeill
Conor ONeill
Ciaran Mackin
Tiernan Kelly
Joe McElroy
Niall Grimley (banned obv)
Doubt anyone with a brain is writing any team off at this stage, especially last years winners.
Peter McGrane as well to come back who had a super debut year last year. Out of the boys you named there I'd say 6 are definitely 2 point takers
Only the league yet and we were poor for about 40 minutes last week, wonder how today would have went if Tyrone had the wind first?
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 01, 2025, 10:29:04 PMQuote from: 5times5times on February 01, 2025, 10:23:13 PMWrite armagh off at your peril. Lads to return as follows.
Paddy Burns
Aaron Mckay
Rian ONeill
Oisin ONeill
Conor ONeill
Ciaran Mackin
Tiernan Kelly
Joe McElroy
Niall Grimley (banned obv)
Doubt anyone with a brain is writing any team off at this stage, especially last years winners.
Peter McGrane as well to come back who had a super debut year last year. Out of the boys you named there I'd say 6 are definitely 2 point takers
Only the league yet and we were poor for about 40 minutes last week, wonder how today would have went if Tyrone had the wind first?
I think it's a massive advantage to have it second half
It takes one player to catch a ball no matter how many players are in the area the ball is kicked into
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on February 01, 2025, 07:42:43 PMKeeper touched it.
What is the reason behind the keeper touching it, if it still goes over, affecting the value of the score?
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 01, 2025, 10:45:46 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on February 01, 2025, 07:42:43 PMKeeper touched it.
What is the reason behind the keeper touching it, if it still goes over, affecting the value of the score?
It did not travel from outside the arc.
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 01, 2025, 10:45:46 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on February 01, 2025, 07:42:43 PMKeeper touched it.
What is the reason behind the keeper touching it, if it still goes over, affecting the value of the score?
That makes sense. It hasn't been a direct score.. a player has helped it on its way
I see a few of the Tyrone lads want MOR sacked already.
The shot was taken, the hooter went, the ball was touched before it went over so actually no score was given because only a clean score can count after the hooter?
I can't remember the last time I seen a decent proper shoulder in county fball. There is abit of physicality but it's more a man getting mauled by 3/4 men in a tackle, bit like the choke tackle in rugby.
Did the last Tyrone score count and should it have counted? Both the kick and the hand from Ethan Rafferty appeared to come after the hooter. I thought the player in possession was allowed to shoot after the hooter but that it had to directly result in a score I.e any other touch ends the game.
Do they, we take him lol
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 01, 2025, 10:54:17 PMThe shot was taken, the hooter went, the ball was touched before it went over so actually no score was given because only a clean score can count after the hooter?
Oh beat me to it but McQuillan ran in and insisted on the score being given it seemed to me and I was just behind the goal
I see GAA go say final score 1-23 to 0-19 but rte.ie say 1-23 to 0-18 so we will have to wait and see
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 01, 2025, 10:55:23 PMI can't remember the last time I seen a decent proper shoulder in county fball. There is abit of physicality but it's more a man getting mauled by 3/4 men in a tackle, bit like the choke tackle in rugby.
No 1 reason forwards don't want to take anyone on, if you get delayed at all a second and 3rd defender are in.also means defenders still don't have to worry about 1-1 defending skills. The failure to address the tackle zone is a complete cop out by the FRC.
Quote from: David McKeown on February 01, 2025, 10:56:33 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 01, 2025, 10:54:17 PMThe shot was taken, the hooter went, the ball was touched before it went over so actually no score was given because only a clean score can count after the hooter?
Oh beat me to it but McQuillan ran in and insisted on the score being given it seemed to me and I was just behind the goal
I see GAA go say final score 1-23 to 0-19 but rte.ie say 1-23 to 0-18 so we will have to wait and see
In all probability, McQuillan ran in to confirm that the ball was in fact pushed over the bar by the goalie therefore not a 2 pointer. The score was confirmed registered as a one pointer.
Quote from: Main Street on February 01, 2025, 11:37:06 PMQuote from: David McKeown on February 01, 2025, 10:56:33 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 01, 2025, 10:54:17 PMThe shot was taken, the hooter went, the ball was touched before it went over so actually no score was given because only a clean score can count after the hooter?
Oh beat me to it but McQuillan ran in and insisted on the score being given it seemed to me and I was just behind the goal
I see GAA go say final score 1-23 to 0-19 but rte.ie say 1-23 to 0-18 so we will have to wait and see
In all probability, McQuillan ran in to confirm that the ball was in fact pushed over the bar by the goalie therefore not a 2 pointer. The score was confirmed registered as a one pointer.
Was it confirmed as a one pointer? And not a no pointer?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 01, 2025, 11:38:53 PMQuote from: Main Street on February 01, 2025, 11:37:06 PMQuote from: David McKeown on February 01, 2025, 10:56:33 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 01, 2025, 10:54:17 PMThe shot was taken, the hooter went, the ball was touched before it went over so actually no score was given because only a clean score can count after the hooter?
Oh beat me to it but McQuillan ran in and insisted on the score being given it seemed to me and I was just behind the goal
I see GAA go say final score 1-23 to 0-19 but rte.ie say 1-23 to 0-18 so we will have to wait and see
In all probability, McQuillan ran in to confirm that the ball was in fact pushed over the bar by the goalie therefore not a 2 pointer. The score was confirmed registered as a one pointer.
Was it confirmed as a one pointer? And not a no pointer?
Yes you're correct, a "no pointer" ;D
Quote from: p3427977 on February 01, 2025, 10:52:52 PMI see a few of the Tyrone lads want MOR sacked already.
The one thing that is more head melting than soccer banter, is football banter...grim sh1te
Must say I'm enjoying the new rules ATM (on the whole)...be interesting to see how they have bedded in come championship time
Quote from: Main Street on February 01, 2025, 11:37:06 PMQuote from: David McKeown on February 01, 2025, 10:56:33 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 01, 2025, 10:54:17 PMThe shot was taken, the hooter went, the ball was touched before it went over so actually no score was given because only a clean score can count after the hooter?
Oh beat me to it but McQuillan ran in and insisted on the score being given it seemed to me and I was just behind the goal
I see GAA go say final score 1-23 to 0-19 but rte.ie say 1-23 to 0-18 so we will have to wait and see
In all probability, McQuillan ran in to confirm that the ball was in fact pushed over the bar by the goalie therefore not a 2 pointer. The score was confirmed registered as a one pointer.
The umpire didn't flag until after McQuillian spoke to him. McQuillian then seemed to make the gesture he had made for all 1 pointers throughout the game.
Anyway what should it have been?
So,did anyone think the Dublin Donegal game was enjoyable ? The kickouts were the only times there was a tussle for possession.The rest of the time was handpassing back and forth , the odd kick pass if there was no one within twenty yards of the person the ball was kicked to. The only kicks were when someone went for a score
I watched a good bit of it and didn't see much to rave about compared to before. Ciaran Kilkenny did kick a two pointer that you would never previously have seen him go for.
Quote from: 5times5times on February 01, 2025, 10:23:13 PMWrite armagh off at your peril. Lads to return as follows.
Paddy Burns
Aaron Mckay
Rian ONeill
Oisin ONeill
Conor ONeill
Ciaran Mackin
Tiernan Kelly
Joe McElroy
Niall Grimley (banned obv)
Have you honestly heard anyone writing Armagh off? League football has no bearing on the Sam maguire. Last year Derry won division 1 while Armagh failed to win division 2.
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 01, 2025, 10:29:04 PMQuote from: 5times5times on February 01, 2025, 10:23:13 PMWrite armagh off at your peril. Lads to return as follows.
Paddy Burns
Aaron Mckay
Rian ONeill
Oisin ONeill
Conor ONeill
Ciaran Mackin
Tiernan Kelly
Joe McElroy
Niall Grimley (banned obv)
Doubt anyone with a brain is writing any team off at this stage, especially last years winners.
Peter McGrane as well to come back who had a super debut year last year. Out of the boys you named there I'd say 6 are definitely 2 point takers
Only the league yet and we were poor for about 40 minutes last week, wonder how today would have went if Tyrone had the wind first?
who's the 6?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 01, 2025, 10:55:23 PMI can't remember the last time I seen a decent proper shoulder in county fball. There is abit of physicality but it's more a man getting mauled by 3/4 men in a tackle, bit like the choke tackle in rugby.
Was a couple last night but mainly over on the stand side so not sure who they were lol
Quote from: statto on February 02, 2025, 07:40:15 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on February 01, 2025, 10:29:04 PMQuote from: 5times5times on February 01, 2025, 10:23:13 PMWrite armagh off at your peril. Lads to return as follows.
Paddy Burns
Aaron Mckay
Rian ONeill
Oisin ONeill
Conor ONeill
Ciaran Mackin
Tiernan Kelly
Joe McElroy
Niall Grimley (banned obv)
Doubt anyone with a brain is writing any team off at this stage, especially last years winners.
Peter McGrane as well to come back who had a super debut year last year. Out of the boys you named there I'd say 6 are definitely 2 point takers
Only the league yet and we were poor for about 40 minutes last week, wonder how today would have went if Tyrone had the wind first?
who's the 6?
Rian, Oisin and Niall Grimley for sure. TK would kick long range scores regularly for the club so has it in him, Mackin was always a man for the flashy outside of the left from distance and Conor O'Neill capable as well.
Armagh strength in depth strangely gets underestimated even by some Armagh heads. Conditioning of the 30 plus panel is among the best also, two keys things any panel needs under the old rules and especially now under the new rules.
Only doubt about Armagh this year was a possible hangover from winning All Ireland, last night showed that won't be an issue as they made Tyrone look punch drunk.
Where has this narrative about Armagh's lack of strength in depth come from? Or worse, the narrative that their strength in depth is underestimated?
A massive chunk of the discourse last year was around the options McGeeney had to bring on in games. Soupy, McQuillan, Duffy, Nugent etc.
Quote from: Truthsayer on February 01, 2025, 06:57:12 PMHow commentators not even know rule bout keeper push ball over the bar therefore not two pointer? Some pundits they are, saying should have been 2 pointer.
How would they know? There's no rule book, this interpretation has developed, but we don't know if it's accurate yet or not.
To my mind if the kick is from the 2 point zone, and the no attacking player touches it again prior to going over the bar, then awarding 2 points would reflect the FRC objective.
Quote from: onefineday on February 02, 2025, 09:13:31 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 01, 2025, 06:57:12 PMHow commentators not even know rule bout keeper push ball over the bar therefore not two pointer? Some pundits they are, saying should have been 2 pointer.
How would they know? There's no rule book, this interpretation has developed, but we don't know if it's accurate yet or not.
To my mind if the kick is from the 2 point zone, and the no attacking player touches it again prior to going over the bar, then awarding 2 points would reflect the FRC objective.
Fitzmaurice has definitely mentioned if the kick is deflected (even outside the arc) then it's just a 1 pointer.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 02, 2025, 09:05:28 AMArmagh strength in depth strangely gets underestimated even by some Armagh heads. Conditioning of the 30 plus panel is among the best also, two keys things any panel needs under the old rules and especially now under the new rules.
Only doubt about Armagh this year was a possible hangover from winning All Ireland, last night showed that won't be an issue as they made Tyrone look punch drunk.
It is only the start of February lol! Always said our panel and fitness levels were 2 of our biggest strengths. Wasn't massively pessimistic after last week and no point having a kneejerk reaction again after a good performance, we're in a decent place but lots of improvement to come obviously.
I must say home advantage is a big thing as well in these league games, thought the Armagh support was excellent last night and there was barely room to move in the ground. (To be expected given it was Tyrone and given it was the first home game since winning Sam)
Quote from: gallsman on February 02, 2025, 09:11:45 AMWhere has this narrative about Armagh's lack of strength in depth come from? Or worse, the narrative that their strength in depth is underestimated?
A massive chunk of the discourse last year was around the options McGeeney had to bring on in games. Soupy, McQuillan, Duffy, Nugent etc.
Go back two pages on this thread to see a few Armagh heads that underestimated the Armagh's strength in depth
Quote from: David McKeown on February 02, 2025, 09:16:29 AMQuote from: onefineday on February 02, 2025, 09:13:31 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 01, 2025, 06:57:12 PMHow commentators not even know rule bout keeper push ball over the bar therefore not two pointer? Some pundits they are, saying should have been 2 pointer.
How would they know? There's no rule book, this interpretation has developed, but we don't know if it's accurate yet or not.
To my mind if the kick is from the 2 point zone, and the no attacking player touches it again prior to going over the bar, then awarding 2 points would reflect the FRC objective.
Fitzmaurice has definitely mentioned if the kick is deflected (even outside the arc) then it's just a 1 pointer.
Illogical!
Just like removing the 4 point goal whilst retaining the 2 pointer (because of fears that scores might get out of hand).
And of course allowing some technical fouls to be brought back outside the arc to avail of the 2 point option if desired.
7 goals in 5 division one games to date - worth keeping an eye on how this develops with the reduced incentive to work a goal.
Quote from: gallsman on February 02, 2025, 09:11:45 AMWhere has this narrative about Armagh's lack of strength in depth come from? Or worse, the narrative that their strength in depth is underestimated?
A massive chunk of the discourse last year was around the options McGeeney had to bring on in games. Soupy, McQuillan, Duffy, Nugent etc.
there was plenty of interviews last year where lads were saying the B team won most of the in house games and I'd well believe it. See Farrell and McGuinness talking about a possible 6th sub rule to lessen the load on players. Would suit us well.
Quote from: onefineday on February 02, 2025, 09:30:20 AMQuote from: David McKeown on February 02, 2025, 09:16:29 AMQuote from: onefineday on February 02, 2025, 09:13:31 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 01, 2025, 06:57:12 PMHow commentators not even know rule bout keeper push ball over the bar therefore not two pointer? Some pundits they are, saying should have been 2 pointer.
How would they know? There's no rule book, this interpretation has developed, but we don't know if it's accurate yet or not.
To my mind if the kick is from the 2 point zone, and the no attacking player touches it again prior to going over the bar, then awarding 2 points would reflect the FRC objective.
Fitzmaurice has definitely mentioned if the kick is deflected (even outside the arc) then it's just a 1 pointer.
Illogical!
Just like removing the 4 point goal whilst retaining the 2 pointer (because of fears that scores might get out of hand).
And of course allowing some technical fouls to be brought back outside the arc to avail of the 2 point option if desired.
7 goals in 5 division one games to date - worth keeping an eye on how this develops with the reduced incentive to work a goal.
I think if the space is there teams will work the goal chance. Tyrone had one saved last night, we had one saved and I think Grugan put one over the bar but yeah interesting to see how it will go.
Quote from: gallsman on February 02, 2025, 06:23:09 AMI watched a good bit of it and didn't see much to rave about compared to before. Ciaran Kilkenny did kick a two pointer that you would never previously have seen him go for.
Not according to rte, you gotta get with the programme gallsman.
FT: Donegal 0-20 Dublin 0-16
That would have to count as an excellent advertisement for the new rules. A super game of football for February 1!
Three two pointers, very little long kicking or high catching, almost no 1 on 1s, lots of sideways kicking and handpassing. The propaganda is mental.
Who was it TG4 had on speaking English to explain some things. FRC member by any chance?
Quote from: gallsman on February 02, 2025, 09:43:17 AMThree two pointers, very little long kicking or high catching, almost no 1 on 1s, lots of sideways kicking and handpassing. The propaganda is mental.
Who was it TG4 had on speaking English to explain some things. FRC member by any chance?
David Gough
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 02, 2025, 09:32:48 AMQuote from: onefineday on February 02, 2025, 09:30:20 AMQuote from: David McKeown on February 02, 2025, 09:16:29 AMQuote from: onefineday on February 02, 2025, 09:13:31 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 01, 2025, 06:57:12 PMHow commentators not even know rule bout keeper push ball over the bar therefore not two pointer? Some pundits they are, saying should have been 2 pointer.
How would they know? There's no rule book, this interpretation has developed, but we don't know if it's accurate yet or not.
To my mind if the kick is from the 2 point zone, and the no attacking player touches it again prior to going over the bar, then awarding 2 points would reflect the FRC objective.
Fitzmaurice has definitely mentioned if the kick is deflected (even outside the arc) then it's just a 1 pointer.
Illogical!
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 02, 2025, 09:32:48 AMQuote from: onefineday on February 02, 2025, 09:30:20 AMQuote from: David McKeown on February 02, 2025, 09:16:29 AMQuote from: onefineday on February 02, 2025, 09:13:31 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 01, 2025, 06:57:12 PMHow commentators not even know rule bout keeper push ball over the bar therefore not two pointer? Some pundits they are, saying should have been 2 pointer.
How would they know? There's no rule book, this interpretation has developed, but we don't know if it's accurate yet or not.
To my mind if the kick is from the 2 point zone, and the no attacking player touches it again prior to going over the bar, then awarding 2 points would reflect the FRC objective.
Fitzmaurice has definitely mentioned if the kick is deflected (even outside the arc) then it's just a 1 pointer.
Illogical!
Just like removing the 4 point goal whilst retaining the 2 pointer (because of fears that scores might get out of hand).
And of course allowing some technical fouls to be brought back outside the arc to avail of the 2 point option if desired.
7 goals in 5 division one games to date - worth keeping an eye on how this develops with the reduced incentive to work a goal.
I think if the space is there teams will work the goal chance. Tyrone had one saved last night, we had one saved and I think Grugan put one over the bar but yeah interesting to see how it will go.
Just like removing the 4 point goal whilst retaining the 2 pointer (because of fears that scores might get out of hand).
And of course allowing some technical fouls to be brought back outside the arc to avail of the 2 point option if desired.
7 goals in 5 division one games to date - worth keeping an eye on how this develops with the reduced incentive to work a goal.
I think if the space is there teams will work the goal chance. Tyrone had one saved last night, we had one saved and I think Grugan put one over the bar but yeah interesting to see how it will go.
Yes, the intent was obviously to free up that space and maybe that'll develop as teams realised they can't sit back and allow 2-pt attempts to the same extent any more.
There certainly seems to be plenty of goals in lower divisions where teams tend not to be as organised (albeit I think there were always more goals lower down the leagues).
Early days still...
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 02, 2025, 09:24:55 AMQuote from: gallsman on February 02, 2025, 09:11:45 AMWhere has this narrative about Armagh's lack of strength in depth come from? Or worse, the narrative that their strength in depth is underestimated?
A massive chunk of the discourse last year was around the options McGeeney had to bring on in games. Soupy, McQuillan, Duffy, Nugent etc.
Go back two pages on this thread to see a few Armagh heads that underestimated the Armagh's strength in depth
I didn't ask where it was posted. I'm asking where on earth the notion has come from given it was was widely accepted as one of their greatest strengths last year.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 02, 2025, 09:05:28 AMArmagh strength in depth strangely gets underestimated even by some Armagh heads. Conditioning of the 30 plus panel is among the best also, two keys things any panel needs under the old rules and especially now under the new rules.
Only doubt about Armagh this year was a possible hangover from winning All Ireland, last night showed that won't be an issue as they made Tyrone look punch drunk.
Tyrone were useless last year take that and minus errigal boys was a game Armagh probably needed to win.
Quote from: gallsman on February 02, 2025, 10:24:39 AMQuote from: Captain Obvious on February 02, 2025, 09:24:55 AMQuote from: gallsman on February 02, 2025, 09:11:45 AMWhere has this narrative about Armagh's lack of strength in depth come from? Or worse, the narrative that their strength in depth is underestimated?
A massive chunk of the discourse last year was around the options McGeeney had to bring on in games. Soupy, McQuillan, Duffy, Nugent etc.
Go back two pages on this thread to see a few Armagh heads that underestimated the Armagh's strength in depth
I didn't ask where it was posted. I'm asking where on earth the notion has come from given it was was widely accepted as one of their greatest strengths last year.
I was referring to what was posted on here you are raving about some narrative.
Quote from: statto on February 02, 2025, 10:29:43 AMQuote from: Captain Obvious on February 02, 2025, 09:05:28 AMArmagh strength in depth strangely gets underestimated even by some Armagh heads. Conditioning of the 30 plus panel is among the best also, two keys things any panel needs under the old rules and especially now under the new rules.
Only doubt about Armagh this year was a possible hangover from winning All Ireland, last night showed that won't be an issue as they made Tyrone look punch drunk.
Tyrone were useless last year take that and minus errigal boys was a game Armagh probably needed to win.
Yeah would expect a good few different faces on both sides if they meet come championship. Hopefully win all of our home games.
Dessie Farrell confirmed last night that Michael Fitzsimons is unlikely to play for Dublin this year. That's him as good as retired given his age.
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 02, 2025, 11:22:43 AMDessie Farrell confirmed last night that Michael Fitzsimons is unlikely to play for Dublin this year. That's him as good as retired given his age.
Only leaves Cluxton now.
Things change very quickly.
Quote from: gallsman on February 02, 2025, 09:43:17 AMThree two pointers, very little long kicking or high catching, almost no 1 on 1s, lots of sideways kicking and handpassing. The propaganda is mental.
Who was it TG4 had on speaking English to explain some things. FRC member by any chance?
I thought the second half was better once Dublin started to win a bit of ball, but overall it didn't look a whole lot different to previous years. It's just instead of 13-14 players turning and running back to their own half, it's now 11. You still have the horseshoe defensive line, now along the 40m arc.
Has anyone in any of the games tried quickly hitting the spaces upfield with long kick passes after a turnover?
That's kind of what I was hoping for and expecting, at least sometimes!
Not writing things off though. You have to give them time to experiment and work things out. The tried and trusted tactics aren't going to be shed at the flick of a switch.
Quote from: marty34 on February 02, 2025, 11:38:07 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on February 02, 2025, 11:22:43 AMDessie Farrell confirmed last night that Michael Fitzsimons is unlikely to play for Dublin this year. That's him as good as retired given his age.
Only leaves Cluxton now.
Things change very quickly.
How many have Dublin to return?
Murchin, O'Callaghan, the Smalls, Costello etc.
Will many of those lads from last night be seen come spring?
Quote from: J70 on February 02, 2025, 11:40:59 AMQuote from: gallsman on February 02, 2025, 09:43:17 AMThree two pointers, very little long kicking or high catching, almost no 1 on 1s, lots of sideways kicking and handpassing. The propaganda is mental.
Who was it TG4 had on speaking English to explain some things. FRC member by any chance?
I thought the second half was better once Dublin started to win a bit of ball, but overall it didn't look a whole lot different to previous years. It's just instead of 13-14 players turning and running back to their own half, it's now 11. You still have the horseshoe defensive line, now along the 40m arc.
Has anyone in any of the games tried quickly hitting the spaces upfield with long kick passes after a turnover?
That's kind of what I was hoping for and expecting, at least sometimes!
Not writing things off though. You have to give them time to experiment and work things out. The tried and trusted tactics aren't going to be shed at the flick of a switch.
I think TG4 had a referee on explaining things (in English).
Can't remember what referee it was though.
Quote from: J70 on February 02, 2025, 11:44:44 AMQuote from: marty34 on February 02, 2025, 11:38:07 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on February 02, 2025, 11:22:43 AMDessie Farrell confirmed last night that Michael Fitzsimons is unlikely to play for Dublin this year. That's him as good as retired given his age.
Only leaves Cluxton now.
Things change very quickly.
How many have Dublin to return?
Murchin, O'Callaghan, the Smalls, Costello etc.
Will many of those lads from last night be seen come spring?
Cluxton, Gannon and possibly POCB and Duffy from Cuala to come back too. I don't think John Small will be back.
Can't see O'Donnell starting come championship. Not a forward.
Quote from: marty34 on February 02, 2025, 11:52:56 AMQuote from: J70 on February 02, 2025, 11:40:59 AMQuote from: gallsman on February 02, 2025, 09:43:17 AMThree two pointers, very little long kicking or high catching, almost no 1 on 1s, lots of sideways kicking and handpassing. The propaganda is mental.
Who was it TG4 had on speaking English to explain some things. FRC member by any chance?
I thought the second half was better once Dublin started to win a bit of ball, but overall it didn't look a whole lot different to previous years. It's just instead of 13-14 players turning and running back to their own half, it's now 11. You still have the horseshoe defensive line, now along the 40m arc.
Has anyone in any of the games tried quickly hitting the spaces upfield with long kick passes after a turnover?
That's kind of what I was hoping for and expecting, at least sometimes!
Not writing things off though. You have to give them time to experiment and work things out. The tried and trusted tactics aren't going to be shed at the flick of a switch.
I think TG4 had a referee on explaining things (in English).
Can't remember what referee it was though.
Ref is David Gough.
A lot less windy today than last weekend. Galway v Mayo could be decent watch if the tribesmen break out of their safety first, Defensive shell.
I see Kerry are starting Sean O'Shea and Paudie Clifford.
The Dublin Donegal was as brutal as anything I saw last year. I turned it off at halftime. Total rubbish
Derry v Kerry a good game so far, level 0-5 to 1-2.
Half time Kerry: 2-05 Derry: 0-13
New year, same shane mcguigan.
Goes down holding his head and then magically jumps up.
How does every ref in Ireland fall for his antics?
Nobody sure what the ref is at but the game's quite enjoyable. I think Derry have been much the better team but the 2 goals have killed us.
They must have read my comment during the week Tohill and Glass have been immense that half we've dominated midfield from the first whistle.
What went on for Derry's last point?
Quote from: AustinPowers on February 02, 2025, 01:07:51 PMWhat went on for Derry's last point?
Mark advantage I think. Brought in to stop players calling mark and not going for goal
Quote from: screenexile on February 02, 2025, 01:07:46 PMNobody sure what the ref is at but the game's quite enjoyable. I think Derry have been much the better team but the 2 goals have killed us.
They must have read my comment during the week Tohill and Glass have been immense that half we've dominated midfield from the first whistle.
Agree, we've been a bit wasteful. The second Kerry goal was a killer too. Just before Cassidy gave it away cheaply when we'd a chance for a point. Should be another couple ahead imo. Feels like our key men are getting the better of their men.
Is there much of a breeze in Derry game?
What happened over at the stand side when it looked like Glass had a good mark and the next thing the ref brings it in front of the Derry goals for a Kerry free?
Quote from: Mario on February 02, 2025, 01:10:10 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on February 02, 2025, 01:07:51 PMWhat went on for Derry's last point?
Mark advantage I think. Brought in to stop players calling mark and not going for goal
Oh.
But he messed up the fist pass over the bar. I don't think he should get another chance.
It's like buying a lotto ticket, not winning , but getting a free ticket for the next draw.
The ref didn't call a forward mark, he was informed of it after he blew the whistle
He also messed up with the McGuigan free being moved forward as McGuigan just ran into the Kerry player..
Quote from: AustinPowers on February 02, 2025, 01:20:41 PMQuote from: Mario on February 02, 2025, 01:10:10 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on February 02, 2025, 01:07:51 PMWhat went on for Derry's last point?
Mark advantage I think. Brought in to stop players calling mark and not going for goal
Oh.
But he messed up the fist pass over the bar. I don't think he should get another chance.
It's like buying a lotto ticket, not winning , but getting a free ticket for the next draw.
There's no time limit either for the Advantage Forward mark. So if he misses then there's no advantage
Derry might regret not going for a goal or 2
Quote from: straightred on February 02, 2025, 01:44:03 PMDerry might regret not going for a goal or 2
We did, we just missed them. Two for Ethan and 1 for Glass and we missed the rebound too
Quote from: straightred on February 02, 2025, 01:44:03 PMDerry might regret not going for a goal or 2
Not the same fight this half... lads are wrecked as well still anybody's game.
Quote from: AustinPowers on February 02, 2025, 01:20:41 PMQuote from: Mario on February 02, 2025, 01:10:10 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on February 02, 2025, 01:07:51 PMWhat went on for Derry's last point?
Mark advantage I think. Brought in to stop players calling mark and not going for goal
Oh.
But he messed up the fist pass over the bar. I don't think he should get another chance.
It's like buying a lotto ticket, not winning , but getting a free ticket for the next draw.
He shouldn't, but that's the rule.
That's a hard one to take
WTF are Derry at??
Daylight robbery. Self inflicted to be fair.
Haha wtf just happened there?! Was that Conor Doherty dropped the ball for their second last goal?
That was a classic, perhaps a taster of what might be if games approached the right way in decent weather.
Derry keeper needs investigating for match-fixing.
I was surprised at that result, watching the hurling and flicked back o. 67 minutes looked like it was a win for Derry, flicked back and they lost!
That'll be a hard one to absorb
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on February 02, 2025, 02:07:01 PMDerry keeper needs investigating for match-fixing.
Get lynch back asap
Quote from: Mario on February 02, 2025, 02:12:06 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on February 02, 2025, 02:07:01 PMDerry keeper needs investigating for match-fixing.
Get lynch back asap
Think the new rules will expose Lynch's shortcomings further.....
Quote from: Mario on February 02, 2025, 02:12:06 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on February 02, 2025, 02:07:01 PMDerry keeper needs investigating for match-fixing.
Get lynch back asap
Lynch is a great keeper but you couldn't really blame the lad today, all the goals were walked into the net. Derry not strong enough in defence or the bench. Much improved display today though.
Kerry's first game of the league and thought if not for the wides shuda been ahead
McKinless and mccluskey would have loved running at that Kerry defence
Quote from: NotedObserver on February 02, 2025, 02:31:55 PMKerry's first game of the league and thought if not for the wides shuda been ahead
McKinless and mccluskey would have loved running at that Kerry defence
Will be a long time before mckinless is running at a defence again. Tally confirmed today he's done his ACL. Amazing he played an AI final with that injury.
Still in disbelief after that. A goal up with 2 minutes left and possession of the ball... crazy stuff! 🤦
It was a really good game though!
Quote from: AustinPowers on February 02, 2025, 01:07:51 PMWhat went on for Derry's last point?
One thing these rules have reinforced is that we really need that bearla option on tg4 ;D
I have less of a clue than usual as to what's going on!
Quote from: Mario on February 02, 2025, 02:39:23 PMQuote from: NotedObserver on February 02, 2025, 02:31:55 PMKerry's first game of the league and thought if not for the wides shuda been ahead
McKinless and mccluskey would have loved running at that Kerry defence
Will be a long time before mckinless is running at a defence again. Tally confirmed today he's done his ACL. Amazing he played an AI final with that injury.
I thought there was a heavy injury there. Massive miss. Driving force behind a lot of their best football
Quote from: Mario on February 02, 2025, 02:12:06 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on February 02, 2025, 02:07:01 PMDerry keeper needs investigating for match-fixing.
Get lynch back asap
McNicholl had a good game out the field but got nowhere near any of the goals, flapping at balls dropping in and the kickouts weren't great but was helped in that department with Tohill and Glass having good games in midfield
Quote from: onefineday on February 02, 2025, 02:56:12 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on February 02, 2025, 01:07:51 PMWhat went on for Derry's last point?
One thing these rules have reinforced is that we really need that bearla option on tg4 ;D
I have less of a clue than usual as to what's going on!
Kerry defender wasn't outside the small semi circle when the kickout was taken.
4 of the goals weren't the keeper fault, but yes he got nowhere near any of them. All kickouts went straight down the field. No variation, Derry used to play all men on the middle then break left or right, And with a good lead always played a sweeper. 5pts up, kept nobody back.Tally got the job as there was no-one else. I think if a certain other manager been there, it be a different ball game. The 2 goals in the first half were poor too.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on February 02, 2025, 02:07:01 PMDerry keeper needs investigating for match-fixing.
You definitely don't need investigated for being a ballbag that's for sure.
Crazy last few minutes. Played very well in patches of the first half and most of the 2nd half. Need to be more clinical . Disappointed to lose, but it was a great watch. High fielding, some great scores, goals.
Is it just me or is it nearly impossible to distinguish between the mayo and Galway jerseys on tg4?
Not that it made any difference to the final result, but should O'Shea's 2pointer have counted for the 3up violation. I thought that loophole was closed this week.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 02, 2025, 03:13:38 PM4 of the goals weren't the keeper fault, but yes he got nowhere near any of them. All kickouts went straight down the field. No variation, Derry used to play all men on the middle then break left or right, And with a good lead always played a sweeper. 5pts up, kept nobody back.Tally got the job as there was no-one else. I think if a certain other manager been there, it be a different ball game. The 2 goals in the first half were poor too.
Breaking left and right with Kerry men stationed left and right to counteract this. 2 div 1 league games and you're on the back of the Derry manager with a handful of key men out already...blood pressure,keep it in check
Am not on top of him. I didn't want him in the first place to be honest, as I don't think he's good enough. What excately were Derry instructions out there today. Gallagher had a structured plan, and we never give up a 5pt lead under him. Derry never should been losing that game today.
2 points there for a player crossing the half way line while nowhere near the play, this has to stop honestly terrible
Quote from: Estimator on February 02, 2025, 03:17:24 PMNot that it made any difference to the final result, but should O'Shea's 2pointer have counted for the 3up violation. I thought that loophole was closed this week.
I thought O'Shea broke the arc in kicking that point. That arc/2 point option is going to controversial later in the year.
It's a bad rule, Armagh done it 3 times last week. Giving 2pts for that is crap. Really devalues 3pts for a goal. And yes if u break the semi circle the 2pts shouldn't count.
That's a mad score but how should it be punished? Free from the halfway line?
Did Mayo get the memo on the new rules?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 02, 2025, 03:55:26 PMIt's a bad rule, Armagh done it 3 times last week. Giving 2pts for that is crap. Really devalues 3pts for a goal. And yes if u break the semi circle the 2pts shouldn't count.
You'd think they would have learned after the 1st, if not the 2nd
That shit of 4 men surrounding a boy slapping at him, and stopping him even getting of the ground, should be a free every time.
Quote from: Saffron_sam20 on February 02, 2025, 03:52:57 PM2 points there for a player crossing the half way line while nowhere near the play, this has to stop honestly terrible
It WILL stop.
Players will learn fairly quickly when they see the outcome.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 02, 2025, 03:56:36 PMThat's a mad score but how should it be punished? Free from the halfway line?
Personally I think that would be plenty. It should just be a free like any other infraction out the field. In this case from the point of infraction. Madness taking it all the way to the other 20m line. It's punishment enough halting the attack.
Mayo keep on running into Galway backs. When they do shoot they mostly shoot wide. Galway have been far more economical with their shooting. At the moment Galway are leading by 10 points.
That's the first wrap around black card I've seen
It's like most weekends in the national league down the years.
One excellent game Derry v Kerry
One good game Donegal v Dublin
One ok game Armagh v Tyrone (armagh were excellent but it wasn't really a good contest)
One poor game Mayo v Galway.
Some young lad berating the ref there. Stewards slow of the mark. Mayo player pulling the cub away.
Quote from: OakLeaf on February 02, 2025, 04:04:24 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 02, 2025, 03:56:36 PMThat's a mad score but how should it be punished? Free from the halfway line?
Personally I think that would be plenty. It should just be a free like any other infraction out the field. In this case from the point of infraction. Madness taking it all the way to the other 20m line. It's punishment enough halting the attack.
Furthest free should be brought for it should be half way, or make it from 45 but in direct. A score for it is not right
Quote from: The Trap on February 02, 2025, 04:13:05 PMIt's like most weekends in the national league down the years.
One excellent game Derry v Kerry
One good game Donegal v Dublin
One ok game Armagh v Tyrone (armagh were excellent but it wasn't really a good contest)
One poor game Mayo v Galway.
Yip, there'll be as much shite under the new rules as the old.
- high scoring does not automatically mean high quality, people assume higher scores also means higher entertainment value which I would also dispute, give me an 11.10 Ulster dogfight any day of the week compared to Laois beating Kildare 25-24 or the like.
- score inflation isn't really being mentioned.
It needs halted for this year's Club football. Absolute madness to be even attempting it when it isn't bedded in at Senior Inter County level and is open to change as the year progresses.
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 02, 2025, 03:16:26 PMIs it just me or is it nearly impossible to distinguish between the mayo and Galway jerseys on tg4?
Happens all the time; both teams wearing white shorts and dark jerseys. No consideration for the elderly or visually impaired. Notice how it never happens in the Premier league
Quote from: befair on February 02, 2025, 05:42:15 PMQuote from: omagh_gael on February 02, 2025, 03:16:26 PMIs it just me or is it nearly impossible to distinguish between the mayo and Galway jerseys on tg4?
Happens all the time; both teams wearing white shorts and dark jerseys. No consideration for the elderly or visually impaired. Notice how it never happens in the Premier league
I think, in Premier league, if a player wears underarmour, it must be the same colour as the jersey.
Quote from: marty34 on February 02, 2025, 05:44:18 PMQuote from: befair on February 02, 2025, 05:42:15 PMQuote from: omagh_gael on February 02, 2025, 03:16:26 PMIs it just me or is it nearly impossible to distinguish between the mayo and Galway jerseys on tg4?
Happens all the time; both teams wearing white shorts and dark jerseys. No consideration for the elderly or visually impaired. Notice how it never happens in the Premier league
I think, in Premier league, if a player wears underarmour, it must be the same colour as the jersey.
Same rule in local intermediate soccer
Didn't read back but did donegal keeper jersey last nite get a mention in here
So Galway sit on four points with either kerry or Donegal joining them next week.
Mayo and Derry sit bottom with zero points, Derry with Galway next and Mayo v Tyrone. If they lose these they're both in serious danger of relegation. Mayo look particularly vulnerable in my eyes, looked very toothless today.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on February 02, 2025, 06:07:04 PMDidn't read back but did donegal keeper jersey last nite get a mention in here
Yes
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on February 02, 2025, 06:07:04 PMDidn't read back but did donegal keeper jersey last nite get a mention in here
Yeah, Patton stuck on a hi-viz bib for the second half.
Quote from: befair on February 02, 2025, 05:42:15 PMQuote from: omagh_gael on February 02, 2025, 03:16:26 PMIs it just me or is it nearly impossible to distinguish between the mayo and Galway jerseys on tg4?
Happens all the time; both teams wearing white shorts and dark jerseys. No consideration for the elderly or visually impaired. Notice how it never happens in the Premier league
In particular, I do not see why teams cannot wear different shorts in this context. It is an easy way to distinguish teams without a fundamental change.
Derry learn more v Galway next get out
Quote from: Saffron_sam20 on February 02, 2025, 04:18:24 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on February 02, 2025, 04:04:24 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 02, 2025, 03:56:36 PMThat's a mad score but how should it be punished? Free from the halfway line?
Personally I think that would be plenty. It should just be a free like any other infraction out the field. In this case from the point of infraction. Madness taking it all the way to the other 20m line. It's punishment enough halting the attack.
Furthest free should be brought for it should be half way, or make it from 45 but in direct. A score for it is not right
If you take away a free from the 20m line you might find teams breaking the 3v3 on purpose to slow things down etc. shouldn't be able to take a 2 pointer tho
Derry and Kerry defenders were not able to defend,its ok marking space but as the goals showed defenders are unable to mark opponents. A few nice high catches in this game though Glass catching a ball above his head without having to even jump off the ground shows how pathetic the other players were.
Quote from: armaghniac on February 02, 2025, 06:29:15 PMQuote from: befair on February 02, 2025, 05:42:15 PMQuote from: omagh_gael on February 02, 2025, 03:16:26 PMIs it just me or is it nearly impossible to distinguish between the mayo and Galway jerseys on tg4?
Happens all the time; both teams wearing white shorts and dark jerseys. No consideration for the elderly or visually impaired. Notice how it never happens in the Premier league
In particular, I do not see why teams cannot wear different shorts in this context. It is an easy way to distinguish teams without a fundamental change.
Completely agree. Changing the shorts makes a massive difference
I personally don't think the likes of Mayo & Kerry should be allowed wear white shorts with multicoloured shirts. Green&red + green&gold are your colours. Own them
Daylight robbery today in the bogside really. Derry the better team but they've only themselves to blame largely. Should've possibly stuck another goal or 2.
That being said, Kerry only played for 5 mins of second half and won the game, were level before McGuigans goal also.
It's a good result for Kerry considering the personnel and first game, away also. But there's major issues in fullback line and half forward line possibly too.
Derry is one of my favourite towns in the world I have to say. Great place, great people and the craic after in Mary Bs was 90.
Quote from: JPO on February 01, 2025, 10:32:46 PMIt takes one player to catch a ball no matter how many players are in the area the ball is kicked into
Lol you're saying this as if players aren't being challenged in the air by oppostion players
Quote from: AustinPowers on February 02, 2025, 01:20:41 PMQuote from: Mario on February 02, 2025, 01:10:10 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on February 02, 2025, 01:07:51 PMWhat went on for Derry's last point?
Mark advantage I think. Brought in to stop players calling mark and not going for goal
Oh.
But he messed up the fist pass over the bar. I don't think he should get another chance.
It's like buying a lotto ticket, not winning , but getting a free ticket for the next draw.
Such a weird rule. Would almost turn players off defending. Could do everything right after the attacker catches the ball and it will still end up in a score regardless
Quote from: thebigfullforward on February 03, 2025, 08:19:59 AMQuote from: AustinPowers on February 02, 2025, 01:20:41 PMQuote from: Mario on February 02, 2025, 01:10:10 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on February 02, 2025, 01:07:51 PMWhat went on for Derry's last point?
Mark advantage I think. Brought in to stop players calling mark and not going for goal
Oh.
But he messed up the fist pass over the bar. I don't think he should get another chance.
It's like buying a lotto ticket, not winning , but getting a free ticket for the next draw.
Such a weird rule. Would almost turn players off defending. Could do everything right after the attacker catches the ball and it will still end up in a score regardless
May as well just foul him immeadiately
It's incentivicising (I feel dizzy) long kicks into towards goal, in on top of the defence / keeper, is that not what we want more of? It'll happen once in a blue moon. The attacker knows he has a free hit and the defender/s know they have to hit ...what's not to like?
Quote from: bennydorano on February 02, 2025, 05:02:15 PMQuote from: The Trap on February 02, 2025, 04:13:05 PMIt's like most weekends in the national league down the years.
One excellent game Derry v Kerry
One good game Donegal v Dublin
One ok game Armagh v Tyrone (armagh were excellent but it wasn't really a good contest)
One poor game Mayo v Galway.
Yip, there'll be as much shite under the new rules as the old.
- high scoring does not automatically mean high quality, people assume higher scores also means higher entertainment value which I would also dispute, give me an 11.10 Ulster dogfight any day of the week compared to Laois beating Kildare 25-24 or the like.
- score inflation isn't really being mentioned.
It needs halted for this year's Club football. Absolute madness to be even attempting it when it isn't bedded in at Senior Inter County level and is open to change as the year progresses.
Same thing happened in the NBA. Went through a defensive period in the early 2000's then rules came in to help the offense. They did this to get the game higher scoring and now it's at the point where it's almost impossible to be a defender as in you could get a foul called in your favour for jumping into someone. I'm in the same boat, would rather watch a competitive Ulster game rather than teams being able to blow others out of the water altogether. Was bad enough before with the likes of Dublin playing most Leinster teams but it might get ugly now
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 03, 2025, 08:21:13 AMQuote from: thebigfullforward on February 03, 2025, 08:19:59 AMQuote from: AustinPowers on February 02, 2025, 01:20:41 PMQuote from: Mario on February 02, 2025, 01:10:10 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on February 02, 2025, 01:07:51 PMWhat went on for Derry's last point?
Mark advantage I think. Brought in to stop players calling mark and not going for goal
Oh.
But he messed up the fist pass over the bar. I don't think he should get another chance.
It's like buying a lotto ticket, not winning , but getting a free ticket for the next draw.
Such a weird rule. Would almost turn players off defending. Could do everything right after the attacker catches the ball and it will still end up in a score regardless
May as well just foul him immeadiately
You wouldn't be giving up a goal and the ref can't bring it in much further in most cases if you delay the tap and go. Don't see much insentive not to
Quote from: JoG2 on February 03, 2025, 08:30:07 AMIt's incentivicising (I feel dizzy) long kicks into towards goal, in on top of the defence / keeper, is that not what we want more of? It'll happen once in a blue moon. The attacker knows he has a free hit and the defender/s know they have to hit ...what's not to like?
This is what's being promoted, that it's desirable or admirable. A return to a true fundamental of Gaelic football.
Personally, I've absolutely no interest in seeing a 50/50 ball get hoofed into the square in the hope that someone might catch it.
Quote from: gallsman on February 03, 2025, 08:47:43 AMQuote from: JoG2 on February 03, 2025, 08:30:07 AMIt's incentivicising (I feel dizzy) long kicks into towards goal, in on top of the defence / keeper, is that not what we want more of? It'll happen once in a blue moon. The attacker knows he has a free hit and the defender/s know they have to hit ...what's not to like?
This is what's being promoted, that it's desirable or admirable. A return to a true fundamental of Gaelic football.
Personally, I've absolutely no interest in seeing a 50/50 ball get hoofed into the square in the hope that someone might catch it.
The fact that it's '50/50' would make it interesting to most , whether it's caught cleanly or not....it's maybe the 1 passage of play that'll have the entire crowd's eyes fixed on
Let it be 50/50 then and let teams and players make their own choices.
Why should it be specifically be incentivised with this new mark rule?
Quote from: JoG2 on February 03, 2025, 09:00:56 AMQuote from: gallsman on February 03, 2025, 08:47:43 AMQuote from: JoG2 on February 03, 2025, 08:30:07 AMIt's incentivicising (I feel dizzy) long kicks into towards goal, in on top of the defence / keeper, is that not what we want more of? It'll happen once in a blue moon. The attacker knows he has a free hit and the defender/s know they have to hit ...what's not to like?
This is what's being promoted, that it's desirable or admirable. A return to a true fundamental of Gaelic football.
Personally, I've absolutely no interest in seeing a 50/50 ball get hoofed into the square in the hope that someone might catch it.
The fact that it's '50/50' would make it interesting to most , whether it's caught cleanly or not....it's maybe the 1 passage of play that'll have the entire crowd's eyes fixed on
It's the same in hurling and that can get boring. It won't happen as much is the only thing. Remeber watching a Kilkenny game a few years back where there must have been at least a solid 3 minutes of play where both teams were playing hit and hope without a score. Kilkenny would hit the ball to the forward line, cut out by sweeper, sweeper hits the ball to forward line, cut out by KK defense. Horrid stuff
Quote from: thebigfullforward on February 03, 2025, 09:25:11 AMQuote from: JoG2 on February 03, 2025, 09:00:56 AMQuote from: gallsman on February 03, 2025, 08:47:43 AMQuote from: JoG2 on February 03, 2025, 08:30:07 AMIt's incentivicising (I feel dizzy) long kicks into towards goal, in on top of the defence / keeper, is that not what we want more of? It'll happen once in a blue moon. The attacker knows he has a free hit and the defender/s know they have to hit ...what's not to like?
This is what's being promoted, that it's desirable or admirable. A return to a true fundamental of Gaelic football.
Personally, I've absolutely no interest in seeing a 50/50 ball get hoofed into the square in the hope that someone might catch it.
The fact that it's '50/50' would make it interesting to most , whether it's caught cleanly or not....it's maybe the 1 passage of play that'll have the entire crowd's eyes fixed on
It's the same in hurling and that can get boring. It won't happen as much is the only thing. Remeber watching a Kilkenny game a few years back where there must have been at least a solid 3 minutes of play where both teams were playing hit and hope without a score. Kilkenny would hit the ball to the forward line, cut out by sweeper, sweeper hits the ball to forward line, cut out by KK defense. Horrid stuff
Of all people, I thought you'd be 100% in favour 🤔
Quote from: gallsman on February 03, 2025, 09:10:55 AMLet it be 50/50 then and let teams and players make their own choices.
Why should it be specifically be incentivised with this new mark rule?
It's another rule to coax teams / players away from the micro managed risk averse dungball we've had to endure a lot in the last decade
Quote from: JoG2 on February 03, 2025, 09:50:00 AMQuote from: gallsman on February 03, 2025, 09:10:55 AMLet it be 50/50 then and let teams and players make their own choices.
Why should it be specifically be incentivised with this new mark rule?
It's another rule to coax teams / players away from the micro managed risk averse dungball we've had to endure a lot in the last decade
but surely by restricting the numbers in there with 6 players not allowed in that half it means there will be more space to kick into, you dont really need any more incentive than that.
Quote from: JPO on February 01, 2025, 10:13:06 PMI watched all the games on tv so far under the new rules and at least there were some high catches by Armagh players as there was last year. Its obvious now with the longer kickouts that most players are incapable of fielding a high ball. It shows the sorry state football is in.
High fielding in Derry/Kerry game was exceptional
High fielding by a few players. Most didnt jump for the ball.Not sure they know how to these days.
There is a lot of talk on the podcasts this week about whether the Derry Kerry game was the best national league game ever. In my opinion it wasn't even the best in the past 12 months. Last year's league final was better. Lots of people also comparing the Derry Kerry game to their AI qf last year, which admittedly was sh*t, but is everyone forgetting the AI SF the year before between the same sides that was an absolute classic.
The media are dying to heap praise on the FRC without letting us see how it plays out. There were bad D1 games at the weekend and there were some very good games under the old rules.
Quote from: Mario on February 04, 2025, 10:47:36 AMThere is a lot of talk on the podcasts this week about whether the Derry Kerry game was the best national league game ever. In my opinion it wasn't even the best in the past 12 months. Last year's league final was better. Lots of people also comparing the Derry Kerry game to their AI qf last year, which admittedly was sh*t, but is everyone forgetting the AI SF the year before between the same sides that was an absolute classic.
The media are dying to heap praise on the FRC without letting us see how it plays out. There were bad D1 games at the weekend and there were some very good games under the old rules.
Totally agree. There is a really obvious PR campaign, particularly with RTE, on the positives of the rule changes. High scoring doesnt mean better necessarily.
There is not the high fielding, or kicking games that were touted, albeit it is early days.
There's no way at this point that anyone could say the rules are for the best, or if they make things worse.
I think some of the rules are grand and others are not.
Totally agree Mario and Tbrick. There is no doubt the derry kerry game was enjoyable to watch but it was a high scoring game with no edge to it. Like a game you would have seen at a pitch opening. Maybe a bit of an exaggeration but no yellow cards and some people saying they didn't care that they lost as long as they were entertained! Is that competitive sport? Those 2 points could be the difference between staying in division one or not.
Then you are hearing it was a wonderful weekend of football. Of the 7 division one games so far only this one was very good.
You could say Dublin v Mayo and Dublin v Donegal were decent games.
Tyrone v Derry not great though Tyrone played well.
Armagh v Tyrone not great though Armagh played well.
Galway v Armagh and Galway v Mayo were not great either though Galway look strong.
I would say there have been much better starts to the National League than this year most other years.
Not against what they are trying to do with the game but they are definitely going to far and the PR machine needs challenged as much as possible.
Still early days on the rules, teams still adopting. It will be round 4 at least before we well and truly know how the rest of the year will pan out in terms of gameplay.
From an Armagh perspective, it was slightly frustrating watching them kick the ball from a kickout into a 50/50 contest in the second half. They were in a commanding lead and each kickout allowed Tyrone every chance to get back into the game.
The middle of the pitch will become a scrum for possession. The better placed players will cancel each other out for high fielding so it'll be a scramble for break ball each time.
From a neutral that is what you want I suppose in a game like that, but what hope does Wicklow/Longford have in the summer when the meet Dublin in the championship. Dublin score, Wicklow are forced to kick the ball to a 50/50, Dublin win possession, score, Wicklow kick to a 50/50.
Quote from: Mario on February 04, 2025, 10:47:36 AMThere is a lot of talk on the podcasts this week about whether the Derry Kerry game was the best national league game ever. In my opinion it wasn't even the best in the past 12 months. Last year's league final was better. Lots of people also comparing the Derry Kerry game to their AI qf last year, which admittedly was sh*t, but is everyone forgetting the AI SF the year before between the same sides that was an absolute classic.
The media are dying to heap praise on the FRC without letting us see how it plays out. There were bad D1 games at the weekend and there were some very good games under the old rules.
Yes in the media they are going out of their way with praise. Needs to be a more balanced opinion and not try to ignore that we had good games under the old rules. Right now is only a small sample size come the end of the league when teams are looking to reach a final,gain promotion or avoid relegation will be a real first good tester for the new rules.
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on February 04, 2025, 12:06:16 PMStill early days on the rules, teams still adopting. It will be round 4 at least before we well and truly know how the rest of the year will pan out in terms of gameplay.
From an Armagh perspective, it was slightly frustrating watching them kick the ball from a kickout into a 50/50 contest in the second half. They were in a commanding lead and each kickout allowed Tyrone every chance to get back into the game.
The middle of the pitch will become a scrum for possession. The better placed players will cancel each other out for high fielding so it'll be a scramble for break ball each time.
From a neutral that is what you want I suppose in a game like that, but what hope does Wicklow/Longford have in the summer when the meet Dublin in the championship. Dublin score, Wicklow are forced to kick the ball to a 50/50, Dublin win possession, score, Wicklow kick to a 50/50.
With the keeper not an option for a pass it makes the short kickout pretty much impossible. Once you have a team penned in it is difficult to get the ball out and teams are going to have to come up with creative ways to make the extra man otherwise they'll get caught as Derry did at the weekend.
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on February 04, 2025, 12:06:16 PMStill early days on the rules, teams still adopting. It will be round 4 at least before we well and truly know how the rest of the year will pan out in terms of gameplay.
From an Armagh perspective, it was slightly frustrating watching them kick the ball from a kickout into a 50/50 contest in the second half. They were in a commanding lead and each kickout allowed Tyrone every chance to get back into the game.
The middle of the pitch will become a scrum for possession. The better placed players will cancel each other out for high fielding so it'll be a scramble for break ball each time.
From a neutral that is what you want I suppose in a game like that, but what hope does Wicklow/Longford have in the summer when the meet Dublin in the championship. Dublin score, Wicklow are forced to kick the ball to a 50/50, Dublin win possession, score, Wicklow kick to a 50/50.
Next step of gaelic football revamp is the removal of the provincials.
Imagine a competition in soccer based solely on geography (no matter the standard).
Like Liverpool being in a group with accrington stanley & tranmere.
Quote from: scout on February 04, 2025, 01:22:48 PMImagine a competition in soccer based solely on geography (no matter the standard).
Scottish league?
Local games create greater interest and people can travel easily to them. There were many Tyrone people in the Athletic grounds at the weekend, but not so many Cork people in Páirc Esler.
Yes, but league is the true reflection - teams playing teams that's are of the same standard. I'm a huge fan of the league & feel is it seriously let down by lack of marking & push by the powers-that-be.
Armagh playing Antrim/fermanagh (right now)in a competitive game makes little sense.
Quote from: scout on February 04, 2025, 01:59:39 PMYes, but league is the true reflection - teams playing teams that's are of the same standard. I'm a huge fan of the league & feel is it seriously let down by lack of marking & push by the powers-that-be.
Armagh playing Antrim/fermanagh (right now)in a competitive game makes little sense.
You picked Antrim/Fermanagh, but games against other Ulster counties are far from a foregone conclusion and even Antrim have to get off their knees eventually.
I was merely pointing out how the kickout is going to decimate some teams down the road in an imbalanced match up, at the moment the league will not show the major flaws with the rules as teams are at a par level. It was an observation on this rule rather than the provincial fixtures.
Personally, I would do away with the long kickout. I like the idea the goalkeeper cannot come into possession as handy from a short kickout and the 3v3 rule means tight marking will ensure the fullback line are less likely to seek possession also from a short kickout.
Maybe watching football over the past 15 years has conditioned me to expect the team kicking the ball out to retain possession, but the idea the ball is automatically a 50/50 if going long is slightly annoying.
Quote from: armaghniac on February 04, 2025, 02:10:31 PMQuote from: scout on February 04, 2025, 01:59:39 PMYes, but league is the true reflection - teams playing teams that's are of the same standard. I'm a huge fan of the league & feel is it seriously let down by lack of marking & push by the powers-that-be.
Armagh playing Antrim/fermanagh (right now)in a competitive game makes little sense.
You picked Antrim/Fermanagh, but games against other Ulster counties are far from a foregone conclusion and even Antrim have to get off their knees eventually.
Yes the Ulster football & Munster hurling championship are the exceptions.
And 2 games out of the Connacht championship. (A semi final & final)
Munster & Leinster championships are dead and that affects 17 counties
Quote from: armaghniac on February 04, 2025, 02:10:31 PMQuote from: scout on February 04, 2025, 01:59:39 PMYes, but league is the true reflection - teams playing teams that's are of the same standard. I'm a huge fan of the league & feel is it seriously let down by lack of marking & push by the powers-that-be.
Armagh playing Antrim/fermanagh (right now)in a competitive game makes little sense.
You picked Antrim/Fermanagh, but games against other Ulster counties are far from a foregone conclusion and even Antrim have to get off their knees eventually.
Not that long ago Fermanagh beat Armagh in Ulster, Down nearly did last year as well and probably should have.
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on February 04, 2025, 02:15:56 PMI was merely pointing out how the kickout is going to decimate some teams down the road in an imbalanced match up, at the moment the league will not show the major flaws with the rules as teams are at a par level. It was an observation on this rule rather than the provincial fixtures.
Personally, I would do away with the long kickout. I like the idea the goalkeeper cannot come into possession as handy from a short kickout and the 3v3 rule means tight marking will ensure the fullback line are less likely to seek possession also from a short kickout.
Maybe watching football over the past 15 years has conditioned me to expect the team kicking the ball out to retain possession, but the idea the ball is automatically a 50/50 if going long is slightly annoying.
It's only 50/50 where teams are on a par. If one team is physically bigger or stronger, then the kickouts are heavily weighted towards them.
The smaller team could be better footballers but the bigger team could win all kickouts.
That's the thing I really don't like about the kickout. It seriously hinders a physically smaller team.
Quote from: tbrick18 on February 04, 2025, 03:16:33 PMQuote from: Ethan Tremblay on February 04, 2025, 02:15:56 PMI was merely pointing out how the kickout is going to decimate some teams down the road in an imbalanced match up, at the moment the league will not show the major flaws with the rules as teams are at a par level. It was an observation on this rule rather than the provincial fixtures.
Personally, I would do away with the long kickout. I like the idea the goalkeeper cannot come into possession as handy from a short kickout and the 3v3 rule means tight marking will ensure the fullback line are less likely to seek possession also from a short kickout.
Maybe watching football over the past 15 years has conditioned me to expect the team kicking the ball out to retain possession, but the idea the ball is automatically a 50/50 if going long is slightly annoying.
It's only 50/50 where teams are on a par. If one team is physically bigger or stronger, then the kickouts are heavily weighted towards them.
The smaller team could be better footballers but the bigger team could win all kickouts.
That's the thing I really don't like about the kickout. It seriously hinders a physically smaller team.
Yes and no. You'll see a lot of scrappy break ball, one of the best Armagh had the other night at winning break ball was Jemar Hall who was probably the smallest man on the field. Obviously a bigger man is more likely to catch it cleanly but usually if you can get bodies around it the ball can be broke
Size and strength were always useful things to have in Gaelic football.
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 04, 2025, 03:50:29 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on February 04, 2025, 03:16:33 PMQuote from: Ethan Tremblay on February 04, 2025, 02:15:56 PMI was merely pointing out how the kickout is going to decimate some teams down the road in an imbalanced match up, at the moment the league will not show the major flaws with the rules as teams are at a par level. It was an observation on this rule rather than the provincial fixtures.
Personally, I would do away with the long kickout. I like the idea the goalkeeper cannot come into possession as handy from a short kickout and the 3v3 rule means tight marking will ensure the fullback line are less likely to seek possession also from a short kickout.
Maybe watching football over the past 15 years has conditioned me to expect the team kicking the ball out to retain possession, but the idea the ball is automatically a 50/50 if going long is slightly annoying.
It's only 50/50 where teams are on a par. If one team is physically bigger or stronger, then the kickouts are heavily weighted towards them.
The smaller team could be better footballers but the bigger team could win all kickouts.
That's the thing I really don't like about the kickout. It seriously hinders a physically smaller team.
Yes and no. You'll see a lot of scrappy break ball, one of the best Armagh had the other night at winning break ball was Jemar Hall who was probably the smallest man on the field. Obviously a bigger man is more likely to catch it cleanly but usually if you can get bodies around it the ball can be broke
True, but Tyrone did have 2 big men out there too so there were always going to be breaks.
My point is there are teams that don't have those big men in the middle so won't be able to force the break.
Think Tyrone in the 00's, they more or less bypassed MF completely as they didnt have those ball winners. Instead ran the ball through midfield and it worked for them - I don't think you could do that now.
Quote from: Rossfan on February 04, 2025, 04:04:52 PMSize and strength were always useful things to have in Gaelic football.
Yes, but I don't the rules deliberately favoured the stronger bigger teams previously.
Now they certainly do.
I seen a few kick outs that the keeper kicked out the wing of the 40 arc. Ball was collected easy enough those times
Would it not make sense to stretch the kicking zone in order to not have that happen (crowded midfields) as often?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 05, 2025, 01:40:21 PMI seen a few kick outs that the keeper kicked out the wing of the 40 arc. Ball was collected easy enough those times
Would it not make sense to stretch the kicking zone in order to not have that happen (crowded midfields) as often?
This is an interesting passage of play in the Derry Kerry match... you need to have your homework done if you try a short kickout!
https://x.com/CahairOKane1/status/1887085098127778260
Quote from: screenexile on February 05, 2025, 02:48:25 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 05, 2025, 01:40:21 PMI seen a few kick outs that the keeper kicked out the wing of the 40 arc. Ball was collected easy enough those times
Would it not make sense to stretch the kicking zone in order to not have that happen (crowded midfields) as often?
This is an interesting passage of play in the Derry Kerry match... you need to have your homework done if you try a short kickout!
https://x.com/CahairOKane1/status/1887085098127778260
And you need to press to counter it..
Which teams as he said should always have been doing that. In my opinion, giving team's possession is nuts
Gaelic football is a sport. The team with the best players is more likely to win the match.Like all other sports. Thats how it should be,simple.If a team has players who cant win a ball from a kickout because the players are too small so what? If players cant defend one on one or kick 2 pointers from 40 metres then they deserve to get beaten.The best teams will be left in the championship as it should be. Thats sport. With these rule changes hopefully the game will evolve so that the players who really dont have the ability to play gaelic football will be exposed.
We've already seen in the games so far how players are scrambling about trying to win the breaking ball from a kickout. Only a very few players actually jumping for the ball. It's quite pitiful really to see how low our once great game has fallen.
Quote from: JPO on February 06, 2025, 11:15:10 PMWe've already seen in the games so far how players are scrambling about trying to win the breaking ball from a kickout. Only a very few players actually jumping for the ball. It's quite pitiful really to see how low our once great game has fallen.
Well I haven't watched every game but in the Derry v Kerry game there must've been 16/17 clean catches from kickouts. Some of the fetches by Glass, Tohill and O'Connor were majestic.
Good bit of breaking ball too of course but nothing wrong with that and it's a skill players will have to go back and work on.
They can watch a few tapes of the noughties when Galvin, Dooher etc were masters at it.
Quote from: JPO on February 06, 2025, 11:15:10 PMWe've already seen in the games so far how players are scrambling about trying to win the breaking ball from a kickout. Only a very few players actually jumping for the ball. It's quite pitiful really to see how low our once great game has fallen.
Did you just start watching football in 2010? Strange post!
Jeez lads, the weekend has started for coco
Could ye imagine the comments if social media was around on a cold Sunday in Ballinascreen in 1984.
Quote from: ONeill on February 06, 2025, 11:55:17 PMCould ye imagine the comments if social media was around on a cold Sunday in Ballinascreen in 1984.
Well that comment really is the last Straw. Mods!
Conor Counihan's rugby boots would generated 100 pages, poor bastid would probably have been cancelled.
Good start for Donegal in Killarney, 0-4 to no score after 10 minutes.
Hitting some brutal wides since then.
8-7 coming up to the half.
Half time Kerry 0-7 Donegal 0-11. As the lads said on Kerry radio, Donegal well worth their lead probably should be further in front.
After 50 minutes Kerry: 0-11 Donegal: 0-17. Ryan McHugh with 0-5 from wing half back.
After 60 minutes Kerry: 0-16 Donegal: 0-19
Goal fro Kerry on 62 minutes Diarmuid O'Connor. Donegal respond with a point 1-16 to 0-21
Into added time two pointer for Sean O'Shea Kerry 1-18 Donegal 0-22
Donegal win 0-23 to 1-18
First ever win in Killarney for Donegal!
We'd a relatively stronger team out again, so important to get the result. Young Roarty sounds like a very promising corner back at a very timely point with the changes in the rules.
Three more points from five games is all we need now as a league final appearance is not in the plans.
Quote from: J70 on February 08, 2025, 04:13:42 PMFirst ever win in Killarney for Donegal!
We'd a relatively stronger team out again, so important to get the result. Young Roarty sounds like a very promising corner back at a very timely point with the changes in the rules.
Three more points from five games is all we need now as a league final appearance is not in the plans.
What happened Langan?
Quote from: JPO on February 06, 2025, 10:55:52 PMGaelic football is a sport. The team with the best players is more likely to win the match.Like all other sports. Thats how it should be,simple.If a team has players who cant win a ball from a kickout because the players are too small so what? If players cant defend one on one or kick 2 pointers from 40 metres then they deserve to get beaten.The best teams will be left in the championship as it should be. Thats sport. With these rule changes hopefully the game will evolve so that the players who really dont have the ability to play gaelic football will be exposed.
There is so much more to Sport than that though. If the team with the best players one constantly it would take away much of the excitement from the game. I like that different approaches and strategy can be implemented to counter the difference in player's ability. I dont like when rules are implemented to curtail the options available. I also dont like when rules are introduced to for example make the conditions a greater factor than they were or to curtail the effect of a certain type of player
Quote from: p3427977 on February 08, 2025, 05:55:44 PMQuote from: J70 on February 08, 2025, 04:13:42 PMFirst ever win in Killarney for Donegal!
We'd a relatively stronger team out again, so important to get the result. Young Roarty sounds like a very promising corner back at a very timely point with the changes in the rules.
Three more points from five games is all we need now as a league final appearance is not in the plans.
What happened Langan?
Not sure. Went off right at the start.
Quote from: J70 on February 09, 2025, 04:21:44 PMQuote from: p3427977 on February 08, 2025, 05:55:44 PMQuote from: J70 on February 08, 2025, 04:13:42 PMFirst ever win in Killarney for Donegal!
We'd a relatively stronger team out again, so important to get the result. Young Roarty sounds like a very promising corner back at a very timely point with the changes in the rules.
Three more points from five games is all we need now as a league final appearance is not in the plans.
What happened Langan?
Not sure. Went off right at the start.
Jim McGuinness said after the game it was a hamstring injury. he's still calling for 6th sub in matches will be interesting to see will HQ agree.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GjskvhfW4AA0qry?format=jpg&name=medium)
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 13, 2025, 11:48:45 PM(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GjskvhfW4AA0qry?format=jpg&name=medium)
That's a strong looking Galway side. Derry up against it.
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 09, 2025, 05:53:22 PMQuote from: J70 on February 09, 2025, 04:21:44 PMQuote from: p3427977 on February 08, 2025, 05:55:44 PMQuote from: J70 on February 08, 2025, 04:13:42 PMFirst ever win in Killarney for Donegal!
We'd a relatively stronger team out again, so important to get the result. Young Roarty sounds like a very promising corner back at a very timely point with the changes in the rules.
Three more points from five games is all we need now as a league final appearance is not in the plans.
What happened Langan?
Not sure. Went off right at the start.
Jim McGuinness said after the game it was a hamstring injury. he's still calling for 6th sub in matches will be interesting to see will HQ agree.
So far Jim has blamed
- a game played 7 days earlier
- the game being down the road
So far Jim has not blamed
- training load determined by Jim
- the warm up conducted by Jim and trainer
Quote from: tiempo on February 14, 2025, 10:20:31 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on February 09, 2025, 05:53:22 PMQuote from: J70 on February 09, 2025, 04:21:44 PMQuote from: p3427977 on February 08, 2025, 05:55:44 PMQuote from: J70 on February 08, 2025, 04:13:42 PMFirst ever win in Killarney for Donegal!
We'd a relatively stronger team out again, so important to get the result. Young Roarty sounds like a very promising corner back at a very timely point with the changes in the rules.
Three more points from five games is all we need now as a league final appearance is not in the plans.
What happened Langan?
Not sure. Went off right at the start.
Jim McGuinness said after the game it was a hamstring injury. he's still calling for 6th sub in matches will be interesting to see will HQ agree.
So far Jim has blamed
- a game played 7 days earlier
- the game being down the road
So far Jim has not blamed
- training load determined by Jim
- the warm up conducted by Jim and trainer
He's one of number of managers calling for 6/7 subs to be brought in and valid argument to make IMO.
A lot of players saying the pace of the game has went up a notch, so more subs a necessity now.
I'd imagine by the time the league is going most training is recovery, skills heavy given the schedule of games.
Injuries may dictate teams winning silverware this year the way its going
A valid argument based on what
Conscious that Jim said hamstring injuries were a 10 day affair in the past, but a 6 week job now under the new rules, I call bs on that, there's no evidence to support that at all
If player welfare is the driver (as it usually is) then there'll have to be 15 subs to protect everyone equally
Dessie Farrell also called for the extra subs, Dessie brought players off in the first half of the first league game for tactical reasons
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on February 14, 2025, 03:08:09 PMA lot of players saying the pace of the game has went up a notch, so more subs a necessity now.
I'd imagine by the time the league is going most training is recovery, skills heavy given the schedule of games.
Injuries may dictate teams winning silverware this year the way its going
Gareth McKinless from Ballinderry literally played the AI club final with a busted knee, it was one of the most heroic and stupid things I've seen, welfare 0 bravery 1000, injured under the old rules, playing on it could take years off his playing days, probably impacted the outcome
I'm absolutely certain Donegal were on for Sam but for McBrearty's cruciate injury against Fermanagh in 2018 during the Ulster campaign
Glenn Ryan was injured playing golf in the days before the 98 AIF, still played, it may have had an impact on the outcome, injuries are part and parcel of it, thats why there's 35+ players in these squads
If 11 aside soccer can have 5 subs, no reason why 15 a side football can't have 7?
Like previous comments I think less subs is a better solution. Might sound counter intuitive, but as GAA and rugby has demonstrated, more subs has resulted in the game needing more athletic and conditioned players.
Say we allowed unlimited subs and panels sizes, the players would be more like 100m sprinters, they would only need to perform for a short burst. Fast explosive players would be the norm.
If you knew 12 of your team had to survive the whole game, instead of maybe 8/9 then you would need more endurance type players or a game plan where you let the ball do the work and conserve player energy, so a less possession game where every player doesn't have to blanket defend and then support attacks.
I feel more subs will just mean you can make it a more possession game and the teams with bigger panels will benefit. With rural depopulation, smaller squads will find it tougher and tougher unable to compete with the bigger clubs/counties.
Being allowed to replace half of your team softens the sport, it takes guts to keep going through 50 60 70 mins making decisions while fatigued, character is a huge requirement, diluting that so a guru manager can play tactical dominoes is just reductive and boring
Wont be such an issue once the ground hardens up or maybe that will mean even more running
Quote from: Rossfan on February 14, 2025, 04:15:11 PMIf 11 aside soccer can have 5 subs, no reason why 15 a side football can't have 7?
Is the same argument not if at least 6/11 can be expected to play 90 minutes why can't 10/15 play 70?
Quote from: tiempo on February 14, 2025, 06:23:21 PMBeing allowed to replace half of your team softens the sport, it takes guts to keep going through 50 60 70 mins making decisions while fatigued, character is a huge requirement, diluting that so a guru manager can play tactical dominoes is just reductive and boring
Just helps the stronger panels/counties.
Like the back door draw a few years ago.
Predictions
Derry v Galway - Two great counties and two great cities for drinking pints in. Expect Galway to come out on top. Galway by 5.
Donegal v Armagh - Donegal will want to win this one to get safe so they can focus on Derry in championship. Donegal by 3.
Kerry v Dublin - Kerry should make light work if Dublin on this occasion. Dublin nowhere near full strength. Kerry by 5.
Mayo v Tyrone - Mayo's policy of producing athletes instead of footballers finally catching up on them with these new rules. Tyrone should have too much for them. Tyrone by 5.
I'm actually looking at a Derry win here.. Derry should not have lost to Kerry, crazy few minutes and game lost. Derry played well, that said Galway have a strong lineup today.
A one point win for Derry
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 14, 2025, 10:08:05 PMPredictions
Derry v Galway - Two great counties and two great cities for drinking pints in. Expect Galway to come out on top. Galway by 5.
Donegal v Armagh - Donegal will want to win this one to get safe so they can focus on Derry in championship. Donegal by 3.
Kerry v Dublin - Kerry should make light work if Dublin on this occasion. Dublin nowhere near full strength. Kerry by 5.
Mayo v Tyrone - Mayo's policy of producing athletes instead of footballers finally catching up on them with these new rules. Tyrone should have too much for them. Tyrone by 5.
You talk as if there is a process agreed between the Clubs in Mayo. Most teams are Managed at underage by regular parents, some that have a notion and some that don't. Getting 2 to 3 seriously talented forwards is as much by luck as design.
Mayo were a top side for the guts of a decade this was due to wane in the transition process. As for the new rules making the game easier for Footballers than Athletes - I don't know how you come up with that.
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Derry v Galway - Two great counties and two great cities for drinking pints in. Expect Galway to come out on top. Galway by 5.
Donegal v Armagh - Donegal will want to win this one to get safe so they can focus on Derry in championship. Donegal by 3.
Kerry v Dublin - Kerry should make light work if Dublin on this occasion. Dublin nowhere near full strength. Kerry by 5.
Mayo v Tyrone - Mayo's policy of producing athletes instead of footballers finally catching up on them with these new rules. Tyrone should have too much for them. Tyrone by 5.
You talk as if there is a process agreed between the Clubs in Mayo. Most teams are Managed at underage by regular parents, some that have a notion and some that don't. Getting 2 to 3 seriously talented forwards is as much by luck as design.
Mayo were a top side for the guts of a decade this was due to wane in the transition process. As for the new rules making the game easier for Footballers than Athletes - I don't know how you come up with that.
Mayo were an incredible side and should have won an all Ireland. And they reason they didn't was because they hadn't good enough quality forwards.
Their neighbors Galway are the opposite can always produce silky forwards but lacking in other areas.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 15, 2025, 10:59:26 AMQuote from: From the Bunker on February 15, 2025, 10:39:50 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 14, 2025, 10:08:05 PMPredictions
Derry v Galway - Two great counties and two great cities for drinking pints in. Expect Galway to come out on top. Galway by 5.
Donegal v Armagh - Donegal will want to win this one to get safe so they can focus on Derry in championship. Donegal by 3.
Kerry v Dublin - Kerry should make light work if Dublin on this occasion. Dublin nowhere near full strength. Kerry by 5.
Mayo v Tyrone - Mayo's policy of producing athletes instead of footballers finally catching up on them with these new rules. Tyrone should have too much for them. Tyrone by 5.
You talk as if there is a process agreed between the Clubs in Mayo. Most teams are Managed at underage by regular parents, some that have a notion and some that don't. Getting 2 to 3 seriously talented forwards is as much by luck as design.
Mayo were a top side for the guts of a decade this was due to wane in the transition process. As for the new rules making the game easier for Footballers than Athletes - I don't know how you come up with that.
Mayo were an incredible side and should have won an all Ireland. And they reason they didn't was because they hadn't good enough quality forwards.
Their neighbors Galway are the opposite can always produce silky forwards but lacking in other areas.
Mayo had the leading all-time top scorer in Cillian O'Connor and in Andy Moran one of the best forwards/footballers from play. The bad habit of conceding soft silly goals was the main reason for not winning any All Ireland final
Galway for all their silky forward only managed 0-13 in last year's final, their shooting accuracy/shot selection is what cost them from winning the AI. They were more than good enough defensively and in midfield which included the footballer of the year.
David Clifford back in the Kerry 26 for the first time this year.
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Dublin remain with a very transitional line up.
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Quote from: Cunny Funt on February 15, 2025, 12:58:43 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 15, 2025, 10:59:26 AMQuote from: From the Bunker on February 15, 2025, 10:39:50 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 14, 2025, 10:08:05 PMPredictions
Derry v Galway - Two great counties and two great cities for drinking pints in. Expect Galway to come out on top. Galway by 5.
Donegal v Armagh - Donegal will want to win this one to get safe so they can focus on Derry in championship. Donegal by 3.
Kerry v Dublin - Kerry should make light work if Dublin on this occasion. Dublin nowhere near full strength. Kerry by 5.
Mayo v Tyrone - Mayo's policy of producing athletes instead of footballers finally catching up on them with these new rules. Tyrone should have too much for them. Tyrone by 5.
You talk as if there is a process agreed between the Clubs in Mayo. Most teams are Managed at underage by regular parents, some that have a notion and some that don't. Getting 2 to 3 seriously talented forwards is as much by luck as design.
Mayo were a top side for the guts of a decade this was due to wane in the transition process. As for the new rules making the game easier for Footballers than Athletes - I don't know how you come up with that.
Mayo were an incredible side and should have won an all Ireland. And they reason they didn't was because they hadn't good enough quality forwards.
Their neighbors Galway are the opposite can always produce silky forwards but lacking in other areas.
Mayo had the leading all-time top scorer in Cillian O'Connor and in Andy Moran one of the best forwards/footballers from play. The bad habit of conceding soft silly goals was the main reason for not winning any All Ireland final
Galway for all their silky forward only managed 0-13 in last year's final, their shooting accuracy/shot selection is what cost them from winning the AI. They were more than good enough defensively and in midfield which included the footballer of the year.
Cillian O'Connor is the top scorer due to the volume of games. Mayo lost first round of connacht a few years they got to final. And drew a lot of games aswell. He was an exceptional free taker.
Andy Moran was originally a wing back. Probably one of the smartest players I've ever seen. Played his best football in his 30's it could be argued. But to call him an exceptional forward I'm not so sure.
Galway's top forwards were all injured in last year's all Ireland. The difference between Shane Walsh's freetaking in the AIF and in recent league matches shows the effect of the injuries.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 15, 2025, 02:36:50 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on February 15, 2025, 12:58:43 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 15, 2025, 10:59:26 AMQuote from: From the Bunker on February 15, 2025, 10:39:50 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 14, 2025, 10:08:05 PMPredictions
Derry v Galway - Two great counties and two great cities for drinking pints in. Expect Galway to come out on top. Galway by 5.
Donegal v Armagh - Donegal will want to win this one to get safe so they can focus on Derry in championship. Donegal by 3.
Kerry v Dublin - Kerry should make light work if Dublin on this occasion. Dublin nowhere near full strength. Kerry by 5.
Mayo v Tyrone - Mayo's policy of producing athletes instead of footballers finally catching up on them with these new rules. Tyrone should have too much for them. Tyrone by 5.
You talk as if there is a process agreed between the Clubs in Mayo. Most teams are Managed at underage by regular parents, some that have a notion and some that don't. Getting 2 to 3 seriously talented forwards is as much by luck as design.
Mayo were a top side for the guts of a decade this was due to wane in the transition process. As for the new rules making the game easier for Footballers than Athletes - I don't know how you come up with that.
Mayo were an incredible side and should have won an all Ireland. And they reason they didn't was because they hadn't good enough quality forwards.
Their neighbors Galway are the opposite can always produce silky forwards but lacking in other areas.
Mayo had the leading all-time top scorer in Cillian O'Connor and in Andy Moran one of the best forwards/footballers from play. The bad habit of conceding soft silly goals was the main reason for not winning any All Ireland final
Galway for all their silky forward only managed 0-13 in last year's final, their shooting accuracy/shot selection is what cost them from winning the AI. They were more than good enough defensively and in midfield which included the footballer of the year.
Cillian O'Connor is the top scorer due to the volume of games. Mayo lost first round of connacht a few years they got to final. And drew a lot of games aswell. He was an exceptional free taker.
Andy Moran was originally a wing back. Probably one of the smartest players I've ever seen. Played his best football in his 30's it could be argued. But to call him an exceptional forward I'm not so sure.
So was Conor McManus. Moran was very good from play as a scorer and creator. Having watched U17,U20 and college football over the last few years Mayo have a number of top talented forwards coming through in Ronan Clarke, Niall Hurley,Darragh Beirne,Kobe McDonald etc interesting times ahead for them to see how many step up to become established seniors.
Quote from: tiempo on February 14, 2025, 03:26:07 PMQuote from: Ethan Tremblay on February 14, 2025, 03:08:09 PMA lot of players saying the pace of the game has went up a notch, so more subs a necessity now.
I'd imagine by the time the league is going most training is recovery, skills heavy given the schedule of games.
Injuries may dictate teams winning silverware this year the way its going
Gareth McKinless from Ballinderry literally played the AI club final with a busted knee, it was one of the most heroic and stupid things I've seen, welfare 0 bravery 1000, injured under the old rules, playing on it could take years off his playing days, probably impacted the outcome
I'm absolutely certain Donegal were on for Sam but for McBrearty's cruciate injury against Fermanagh in 2018 during the Ulster campaign
Glenn Ryan was injured playing golf in the days before the 98 AIF, still played, it may have had an impact on the outcome, injuries are part and parcel of it, thats why there's 35+ players in these squads
I lost track some time ago what exactly your point is in all of this. That tends to happen when you take a scatter gun to everything.
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 15, 2025, 02:47:31 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 15, 2025, 02:36:50 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on February 15, 2025, 12:58:43 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 15, 2025, 10:59:26 AMQuote from: From the Bunker on February 15, 2025, 10:39:50 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 14, 2025, 10:08:05 PMPredictions
Derry v Galway - Two great counties and two great cities for drinking pints in. Expect Galway to come out on top. Galway by 5.
Donegal v Armagh - Donegal will want to win this one to get safe so they can focus on Derry in championship. Donegal by 3.
Kerry v Dublin - Kerry should make light work if Dublin on this occasion. Dublin nowhere near full strength. Kerry by 5.
Mayo v Tyrone - Mayo's policy of producing athletes instead of footballers finally catching up on them with these new rules. Tyrone should have too much for them. Tyrone by 5.
You talk as if there is a process agreed between the Clubs in Mayo. Most teams are Managed at underage by regular parents, some that have a notion and some that don't. Getting 2 to 3 seriously talented forwards is as much by luck as design.
Mayo were a top side for the guts of a decade this was due to wane in the transition process. As for the new rules making the game easier for Footballers than Athletes - I don't know how you come up with that.
Mayo were an incredible side and should have won an all Ireland. And they reason they didn't was because they hadn't good enough quality forwards.
Their neighbors Galway are the opposite can always produce silky forwards but lacking in other areas.
Mayo had the leading all-time top scorer in Cillian O'Connor and in Andy Moran one of the best forwards/footballers from play. The bad habit of conceding soft silly goals was the main reason for not winning any All Ireland final
Galway for all their silky forward only managed 0-13 in last year's final, their shooting accuracy/shot selection is what cost them from winning the AI. They were more than good enough defensively and in midfield which included the footballer of the year.
Cillian O'Connor is the top scorer due to the volume of games. Mayo lost first round of connacht a few years they got to final. And drew a lot of games aswell. He was an exceptional free taker.
Andy Moran was originally a wing back. Probably one of the smartest players I've ever seen. Played his best football in his 30's it could be argued. But to call him an exceptional forward I'm not so sure.
So was Conor McManus. Moran was very good from play as a scorer and creator. Having watched U17,U20 and college football over the last few years Mayo have a number of top talented forwards coming through in Ronan Clarke, Niall Hurley,Darragh Beirne,Kobe McDonald etc interesting times ahead for them to see how many step up to become established seniors.
Haha I was waiting for you to mention McManus. Not sure if you can compare the two. McManus was one of the best strikers of a ball you'd ever see.
Moran had some the best movement of any corner forward I've seen though I'll give him that he was very intelligent and got the most out of his ability.
Yes will be interesting to see how Kobe Donald does. If he's half as good as his father he'll be exceptional.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 15, 2025, 03:50:48 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on February 15, 2025, 02:47:31 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 15, 2025, 02:36:50 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on February 15, 2025, 12:58:43 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 15, 2025, 10:59:26 AMQuote from: From the Bunker on February 15, 2025, 10:39:50 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 14, 2025, 10:08:05 PMPredictions
Derry v Galway - Two great counties and two great cities for drinking pints in. Expect Galway to come out on top. Galway by 5.
Donegal v Armagh - Donegal will want to win this one to get safe so they can focus on Derry in championship. Donegal by 3.
Kerry v Dublin - Kerry should make light work if Dublin on this occasion. Dublin nowhere near full strength. Kerry by 5.
Mayo v Tyrone - Mayo's policy of producing athletes instead of footballers finally catching up on them with these new rules. Tyrone should have too much for them. Tyrone by 5.
You talk as if there is a process agreed between the Clubs in Mayo. Most teams are Managed at underage by regular parents, some that have a notion and some that don't. Getting 2 to 3 seriously talented forwards is as much by luck as design.
Mayo were a top side for the guts of a decade this was due to wane in the transition process. As for the new rules making the game easier for Footballers than Athletes - I don't know how you come up with that.
Mayo were an incredible side and should have won an all Ireland. And they reason they didn't was because they hadn't good enough quality forwards.
Their neighbors Galway are the opposite can always produce silky forwards but lacking in other areas.
Mayo had the leading all-time top scorer in Cillian O'Connor and in Andy Moran one of the best forwards/footballers from play. The bad habit of conceding soft silly goals was the main reason for not winning any All Ireland final
Galway for all their silky forward only managed 0-13 in last year's final, their shooting accuracy/shot selection is what cost them from winning the AI. They were more than good enough defensively and in midfield which included the footballer of the year.
Cillian O'Connor is the top scorer due to the volume of games. Mayo lost first round of connacht a few years they got to final. And drew a lot of games aswell. He was an exceptional free taker.
Andy Moran was originally a wing back. Probably one of the smartest players I've ever seen. Played his best football in his 30's it could be argued. But to call him an exceptional forward I'm not so sure.
So was Conor McManus. Moran was very good from play as a scorer and creator. Having watched U17,U20 and college football over the last few years Mayo have a number of top talented forwards coming through in Ronan Clarke, Niall Hurley,Darragh Beirne,Kobe McDonald etc interesting times ahead for them to see how many step up to become established seniors.
Haha I was waiting for you to mention McManus. Not sure if you can compare the two. McManus was one of the best strikers of a ball you'd ever see.
Moran had some the best movement of any corner forward I've seen though I'll give him that he was very intelligent and got the most out of his ability.
Yes will be interesting to see how Kobe Donald does. If he's half as good as his father he'll be exceptional.
We mightnt get the opportunity to see how he does - off to Oz if rumours are correct.
There was a lot of talk about Clarke three years ago at minor level. He has been dogged with injuries since then though. Even then I thought Niall Hurley was a better player. He could be a big player for Mayo very soon.
McDonald very talented alright. If he doesn't go to Oz it's only a matter or time before he breaks through to Mayo seniors.
Goal for Galway
Galway 1-3
Derry 0-2
Galway 1-6
Derry 0-3
Is it just me, or are Derry not very good?
Quote from: 5times5times on February 15, 2025, 05:25:47 PMIs it just me, or are Derry not very good?
Aren't good against a very sharp Galway outfit.
Quote from: 5times5times on February 15, 2025, 05:25:47 PMIs it just me, or are Derry not very good?
It's not just you, it's a fact all of a sudden
Galway 1-10
Derry 0-4
Fine block by Maher to prevent a Derry Goal there. Half time Derry 0-4 Galway 1-10
Our perception of Derry is somewhat false over the last few years.
They were the best managed team in the country which elevated their level.
There's a reason RG only trusted 17 or 18 players.
Seem a bit out of their depth here.
Quote from: Brendan on February 15, 2025, 05:27:56 PMQuote from: 5times5times on February 15, 2025, 05:25:47 PMIs it just me, or are Derry not very good?
It's not just you, it's a fact all of a sudden
The rot started in the Ulster match against Donegal last year. Previous to that Derry were highly fancied to win the All Ireland.
Quote from: seafoid on February 15, 2025, 05:46:42 PMQuote from: Brendan on February 15, 2025, 05:27:56 PMQuote from: 5times5times on February 15, 2025, 05:25:47 PMIs it just me, or are Derry not very good?
It's not just you, it's a fact all of a sudden
The rot started in the Ulster match against Donegal last year. Previous to that Derry were highly fancied to win the All Ireland.
That's what I mean, over night it all fell apart never looked right since. Few key men out injured aye but they aren't going to rectify this when they come back
The injuries across our back 6 are proving to be very costly. No Clucky, McKinless, McGrogan. Chrissy retiring couldn't have come at a worse time with those injuries. Those would be hard for any team to absorb as Galway themselves found out a few years ago.
Galway 1-11
Derry 0-6
A wrong call by the umpire might have inspired something here
Galway 1-11
Derry 0-11
Quote from: seafoid on February 15, 2025, 06:15:53 PMGalway 1-11
Derry 0-11
Game on again. Derry much improved and scores have dried up for Galway.
Gough is a tube! Get a slap in the mouth and a free against you moved 50 yards forward!!
50 yards has to go, wrong decision against Murray then double punished with a 2 pointer!
Derry have kicked this away.
64 minutes played. Derry 0-13 Galway 1-13
Galway 1-13 2 pointer from Shay Walsh
Derry 0-13
Credit where it's due Lachlan Murray looks a proper footballer since coming on
Level game Derry 0-16 Galway 1-13. 69 minutes played. And how it finished, fine comeback by Derry.
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 15, 2025, 06:31:18 PMLevel game Derry 0-16 Galway 1-13. 69 minutes played.
The result.
Couple of dodgy umpire calls had a big bearing on the result
Unreal second half unbelievable from Lachlan Murray there too he'll be hard to stop on a dryer sod!
I thought the game was over in the first half but fair play the lads showed some heart and to be honest we probably should have won it. Will take the second half performance and draw though.
We were pretty lucky to get the draw in the end after that second half disappearing act.
Mind you I thought from the tv camera angle that Derry's 9th point was clearly wide.
And Walsh had one waved wide that looked over at 14-11.
Saying all that though we didn't deserve to win
Great comeback by Derry. Enjoyable stuff all around.
Quote from: mackers on February 15, 2025, 06:34:32 PMCouple of dodgy umpire calls had a big bearing on the result
Probably evened out with two pointer for Galway free when should went other way. Not a great day for Gough and his umpires.
Quite an entertaining match. Derry certainly stepped it up after half time.
Glass had class second half. Really stepped up. If Derry had shooting boots would have won well. How many shots did they kick short?
Strong wind in Celtic Park?
First half scoring Derry 0-4 Galway 1-10
2nd half scoring Derry 0-12 Galway 0-3
Shane Mcguigan and Shane Walsh with 0-16 between them.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 15, 2025, 06:46:23 PMStrong wind in Celtic Park?
First half scoring Derry 0-4 Galway 1-10
2nd half scoring Derry 0-12 Galway 0-3
Shane Mcguigan and Shane Walsh with 0-16 between them.
Yeah a couple of lads at it said the wind was a big factor.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 15, 2025, 05:43:09 PMOur perception of Derry is somewhat false over the last few years.
They were the best managed team in the country which elevated their level.
There's a reason RG only trusted 17 or 18 players.
Seem a bit out of their depth here.
You never fail to impress with your posts
Derry deserved their draw - good second half. Murray showed well, Galway will be disappointed I don't know what happened them after half time.
Quote from: JoG2 on February 15, 2025, 07:19:33 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 15, 2025, 05:43:09 PMOur perception of Derry is somewhat false over the last few years.
They were the best managed team in the country which elevated their level.
There's a reason RG only trusted 17 or 18 players.
Seem a bit out of their depth here.
You never fail to impress with your posts
Haha you Derry men are easily triggered nearly as bad as the Mayo men
Kerry 0-9 Dublin 0-1. 18 minutes played. Stats showed Dublin had majority of the possession but doing little with it.
There's a big problem with these new rules. Basically Dublin would be far better playing keep ball for 35 minutes as they're playing into a gale. It would be more than managable given they'll have 13 men against Kerry's 12 and 60m of pitch to play in.
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 15, 2025, 07:51:40 PMKerry 0-9 Dublin 0-1. 18 minutes played. Stats showed Dublin had majority of the possession but doing little with it.
Time will tell us whether they're doing this because of the wind, or if they just haven't got the memo that "there's much more chances now, so you don't need to eat the bastard thing".
Quote from: galwayman on February 15, 2025, 06:35:33 PMWe were pretty lucky to get the draw in the end after that second half disappearing act.
Mind you I thought from the tv camera angle that Derry's 9th point was clearly wide.
And Walsh had one waved wide that looked over at 14-11.
Saying all that though we didn't deserve to win
Toner had one for Derry that looked clearly over also so balanced out the murray one which was given.
Did Gearty get advantage from a mark there? Surely that isn't a new rule.
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 15, 2025, 07:51:40 PMKerry 0-9 Dublin 0-1. 18 minutes played. Stats showed Dublin had majority of the possession but doing little with it.
They are playing into a very strong wind, I wouldn't be paying too much heed to the possession stats
This game is mad. The more Dublin try to attack, the further they fall behind.
Kerry are defending inside the large D. Dublin would still be 3 - 1 behind if they just decided to keep possession after 10 mins
Also Eamon Fitzmaurice has become really annoying as a co commentator. Continually trying to justify all the new rules
Dublin 14/1 to win now
Half time Kerry 1-12 Dublin 0-4. Like Galway v Derry earlier will be get another game of two halves?
Quote from: In hiding on February 15, 2025, 08:02:58 PMAlso Eamon Fitzmaurice has become really annoying as a co commentator. Continually trying to justify all the new rules
Really pisses me off, the plethora of rules cheerleaders employed as pundits. Absolutely in their interest to portray the rules as positively as possible.
QuoteDid Gearty get advantage from a mark there? Surely that isn't a new rule.
Correct rule implemented. 6 x 2 pointers by Dublin in the first 15 mins of the 2nd half would make a game of it.
Quote from: trileacman on February 15, 2025, 07:54:25 PMDid Gearty get advantage from a mark there? Surely that isn't a new rule.
The mark rule has changed.
Quote from: In hiding on February 15, 2025, 08:02:58 PMAlso Eamon Fitzmaurice has become really annoying as a co commentator. Continually trying to justify all the new rules
Tries to hard to convince those watching and him with his extremely boring voice
Quote from: In hiding on February 15, 2025, 08:02:58 PMAlso Eamon Fitzmaurice has become really annoying as a co commentator. Continually trying to justify all the new rules
Yea - not what he's there for surely. This has been going on from the Inter Pros. Tell us about the game in front of you Eamonn
Lads you have to remember for a huge chunk of the audience this will probably be the first game they've seen under the new rules.
Also is it not good that there is some positivity around the game rather than the commentators talking the game down all the time?
Dublin making use of the wind now. 0-9 to 1-13.
Dublin 2/1 now to win. I think Kerry will hang on, they should be able to get another 4 points in this half
Kerry 1-13 Dublin 0-13. 58 minutes played. Great comeback win for Dublin 0-19 to 1-15. Two pointers proved a big difference there.
Bookies got the live betting wrong ;D
Good feature of new rules - with a wind at your backs big half time leads to opposition can be overcome. If you win a toss would you prefer it in second half now.
Quote from: weareros on February 15, 2025, 09:13:44 PMGood feature of new rules - with a wind at your backs big half time leads to opposition can be overcome. If you win a toss would you prefer it in second half now.
Would that not be the case under old rules anyway?
Referee was brilliant in the Kerry game. Let it go, very consistent in his decision making
Quote from: statto on February 15, 2025, 09:15:16 PMQuote from: weareros on February 15, 2025, 09:13:44 PMGood feature of new rules - with a wind at your backs big half time leads to opposition can be overcome. If you win a toss would you prefer it in second half now.
Would that not be the case under old rules anyway?
Sort of. But you are more likely to go for 2 pointers when you really need them in second half.
Quote from: Mikhailov on February 15, 2025, 09:16:20 PMReferee was brilliant in the Kerry game. Let it go, very consistent in his decision making
Not too often it has been said about Liam Devenney ;D
Fair play to him, had a good game!
Quote from: Mikhailov on February 15, 2025, 09:16:20 PMReferee was brilliant in the Kerry game. Let it go, very consistent in his decision making
agree. Unfortunately can't say the same about ref in Meath game. Gave some very dubious decisions on both teams.
Tbf to the Dubs they quietly went about their business in the 2nd half in an impressive fashion. Compare this to Tyrone v Armagh, I felt our body language and general play had the aura of defeat almost being an inevitability coming out facing a huge deficit in the second half.
Agree re ref, was refreshing seeing him let it flow. Loads of fussy refs would have stopped started that game to the point of ruin.
Kerry heading to Omagh next,lose that an they're in bother.
Decent result given our first half.
Gough once again making game-changing "mistakes" in favour of Galway, who are beginning to reach Tyrone-esque levels of unlikeability.
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on February 15, 2025, 09:36:55 PMDecent result given our first half.
Gough once again making game-changing "mistakes" in favour of Galway, who are beginning to reach Tyrone-esque levels of unlikeability.
That's good coming from Derry lol!... and all your Tyrone managers..
Quote from: Truthsayer on February 15, 2025, 09:38:28 PMQuote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on February 15, 2025, 09:36:55 PMDecent result given our first half.
Gough once again making game-changing "mistakes" in favour of Galway, who are beginning to reach Tyrone-esque levels of unlikeability.
That's good coming from Derry lol!
A neighbourly dislike I was born with.
Some achievement from the Tribesmen tbf.
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on February 15, 2025, 09:46:57 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 15, 2025, 09:38:28 PMQuote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on February 15, 2025, 09:36:55 PMDecent result given our first half.
Gough once again making game-changing "mistakes" in favour of Galway, who are beginning to reach Tyrone-esque levels of unlikeability.
That's good coming from Derry lol!
A neighbourly dislike I was born with.
Some achievement from the Tribesmen tbf.
I like Galway, especially their hurlers. As for Kerry most horrible begrudging outfit you could beat in All Ireland finals or semi-finals.. some day you'll know what I mean 😉
Quote from: Truthsayer on February 15, 2025, 10:00:21 PMQuote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on February 15, 2025, 09:46:57 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 15, 2025, 09:38:28 PMQuote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on February 15, 2025, 09:36:55 PMDecent result given our first half.
Gough once again making game-changing "mistakes" in favour of Galway, who are beginning to reach Tyrone-esque levels of unlikeability.
That's good coming from Derry lol!
A neighbourly dislike I was born with.
Some achievement from the Tribesmen tbf.
I like Galway, especially their hurlers. As for Kerry most horrible begrudging outfit you could beat in All Ireland finals or semi-finals.. some day you'll know what I mean 😉
I'm old enough to remember 1976. And vaguely 1970, but not 1958. Interestingly football existed pre-2003.
Good luck to your hurlers against Galway.
Not sure why People crying about Walshs non point. Was over at that side not far from him hitting it. It was wide,curled round once by the posts. Derry one looked wide from even 70m away. Gough gave a free against Derry near the end, moved the ball up 50m. Walsh got a 2pter which is a shit rule from a free. I need see it again on tv but I thought the free should went Derrys way.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 15, 2025, 10:22:22 PMNot sure why People crying about Walshs non point. Was ovef at tgst side not far from him hitting it. It was wide,curled round once by the posts. Derry one looked wide from even 70m away. Gough gave a free against Derry near the end, moved the ball up 50m. Walsh got a 2pter which is a shit rule from a free. I need see it again on tv but I thought the free should went Derrys way.
Clearly a Derry free, Murray hit with a Conroy special.
Murray's point was wide, imo, Walsh's was over, again, imo. But Gough sorted that two point swing. Shocking performance.
Thought the Walsh point looked over but I couldn't swear for certain that it was.
The Derry one was definitely wide. You could hear all the Derry fans in line with it groan as it went past the post. And then the umpire ran to put up his flag.
Quote from: Mikhailov on February 15, 2025, 09:16:20 PMReferee was brilliant in the Kerry game. Let it go, very consistent in his decision making
Yes was really good allowed contact which adds to the occasion when dubs and Kerry meet. Thought Kerry missed a trick not pressing out on Dublin in first half and allowing them to keep possession for 2/3 minutes which helped kill the clock.
Quote from: twohands!!! on February 15, 2025, 08:21:34 PMLads you have to remember for a huge chunk of the audience this will probably be the first game they've seen under the new rules.
Also is it not good that there is some positivity around the game rather than the commentators talking the game down all the time?
Fair point re this might be first game for many people, but the relentless positivity can be very irksome after a while.
Every game is being talked up as being high octane and exciting and the last five years (at least) are being chalked off as unwatchable dross. Now my posts on here for those 5 years will testify that I was very much in favour of change as there was indeed a whole lot of dross, but there's no recognition that the new rules are not without flaws and that there were a whole load of excellent games the last few years too.
On the football pod for example, the increasingly hard to listen to paddy Andrews and James O'Donoghue were comparing Derry v Kerry this year v last year's quarter final - agreed, game was unwatchable, but not a mention of the classic semi-final the year before.
Referee was excellent Dub v Kerry, allowing proper tackles and contests to happen while penalising steps and overcarrying very well. Full credit
Quote from: onefineday on February 16, 2025, 01:42:39 AMQuote from: twohands!!! on February 15, 2025, 08:21:34 PMLads you have to remember for a huge chunk of the audience this will probably be the first game they've seen under the new rules.
Also is it not good that there is some positivity around the game rather than the commentators talking the game down all the time?
Fair point re this might be first game for many people, but the relentless positivity can be very irksome after a while.
Every game is being talked up as being high octane and exciting and the last five years (at least) are being chalked off as unwatchable dross. Now my posts on here for those 5 years will testify that I was very much in favour of change as there was indeed a whole lot of dross, but there's no recognition that the new rules are not without flaws and that there were a whole load of excellent games the last few years too.
On the football pod for example, the increasingly hard to listen to paddy Andrews and James O'Donoghue were comparing Derry v Kerry this year v last year's quarter final - agreed, game was unwatchable, but not a mention of the classic semi-final the year before.
Them boys are chancers, spend the recording watching united matches and Andrews especially can't recall simple facts, Tommy the host does a good job but would need to freshen up his contributors
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on February 15, 2025, 09:36:55 PMDecent result given our first half.
Gough once again making game-changing "mistakes" in favour of Galway, who are beginning to reach Tyrone-esque levels of unlikeability.
Turn a blind eye to the score given that was clearly wide so.Don't get the dislike for Galway, is it cause Derry never beat them?
Here the Ref basically gave Galway a 2pter, Murray had been fouled at Midfield and was a obvious Derry free, he gave it to Galway. Murray too slow to move, thinking he had the free, moved 50m. Walsh 2 pter.
Quote from: onefineday on February 16, 2025, 01:42:39 AMQuote from: twohands!!! on February 15, 2025, 08:21:34 PMLads you have to remember for a huge chunk of the audience this will probably be the first game they've seen under the new rules.
Also is it not good that there is some positivity around the game rather than the commentators talking the game down all the time?
Fair point re this might be first game for many people, but the relentless positivity can be very irksome after a while.
Every game is being talked up as being high octane and exciting and the last five years (at least) are being chalked off as unwatchable dross. Now my posts on here for those 5 years will testify that I was very much in favour of change as there was indeed a whole lot of dross, but there's no recognition that the new rules are not without flaws and that there were a whole load of excellent games the last few years too.
On the football pod for example, the increasingly hard to listen to paddy Andrews and James O'Donoghue were comparing Derry v Kerry this year v last year's quarter final - agreed, game was unwatchable, but not a mention of the classic semi-final the year before.
What put this in my mind about people not being familiar with the rules was that I was talking to my brother-in-law yesterday and he mentioned he was going watching the Dublin v Kerry game and he hadn't heard about the new rules at all. He's very much a fair-weather supporter in terms of GAA and his interest and knowledge is fairly limited.
I didn't really notice much in the way of PR spin with Fitmaurice in the first half so was surprised to see the comments on here a thalf-time. I did find it a bit amusing in the 2nd half when he was getting irritated about Shane Ryan's kickouts all going to the same side - felt a bit like he was almost tempted to wander down the sideline and throw a yell in Shane's direction.
I think those of us who watch a serious volume of games are going to be very sick of the explanations of rules for the next few months. Even going to games isn't that much better as it's clear that even the crowd at this stage going to games aren't that familar with the rules. Was at a league game the weekend before last and it was clear that a serious chunk of the crowd had only a passing familiarity with the new rules yet.
Under the old rules Dublin and Derry would have been 7 and 8 points down. Derry would have won the game and Dublin would have drawn.
Two pointers proving a big difference and will they be kept for the championship after this trial run?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 16, 2025, 11:17:58 AMUnder the old rules Dublin and Derry would have been 7 and 8 points down. Derry would have won the game and Dublin would have drawn.
Two pointers proving a big difference and will they be kept for the championship after this trial run?
I'd be surprised if they are removed, this year anyway. It's a big shift and disruption to preparations to play all year with 2 pointers then remove it for championship.
If the original new rules had been in place with 4 points for a goal, Derry would have been well beat by Kerry and lost to Galway as well.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 16, 2025, 11:17:58 AMUnder the old rules Dublin and Derry would have been 7 and 8 points down. Derry would have won the game and Dublin would have drawn.
Two pointers proving a big difference and will they be kept for the championship after this trial run?
I think 2 pointers from play should be kept but I'd get rid of them for frees etc. Will probably be a few minor tweaks prior to the championship but it's a positive narrative around football at the moment so don't expect a whole pile to change really. Championship will be the real acid test though.
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on February 16, 2025, 12:39:31 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on February 16, 2025, 11:17:58 AMUnder the old rules Dublin and Derry would have been 7 and 8 points down. Derry would have won the game and Dublin would have drawn.
Two pointers proving a big difference and will they be kept for the championship after this trial run?
I think 2 pointers from play should be kept but I'd get rid of them for frees etc. Will probably be a few minor tweaks prior to the championship but it's a positive narrative around football at the moment so don't expect a whole pile to change really. Championship will be the real acid test though.
I think you have to keep them from frees as well to disincentivise fouling around the 4 arc.
No way you should be able to bring one out to the 40m arc for a technical
Infringement like the 3v3 file example though. That's way too severe
Quote from: galwayman on February 16, 2025, 01:41:20 PMQuote from: GaillimhIarthair on February 16, 2025, 12:39:31 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on February 16, 2025, 11:17:58 AMUnder the old rules Dublin and Derry would have been 7 and 8 points down. Derry would have won the game and Dublin would have drawn.
Two pointers proving a big difference and will they be kept for the championship after this trial run?
I think 2 pointers from play should be kept but I'd get rid of them for frees etc. Will probably be a few minor tweaks prior to the championship but it's a positive narrative around football at the moment so don't expect a whole pile to change really. Championship will be the real acid test though.
I think you have to keep them from frees as well to disincentivise fouling around the 4 arc.
No way you should be able to bring one out to the 40m arc for a technical
Infringement like the 3v3 file example though. That's way too severe
Agreed.
Brutal start
2 desperate teams in both senses of the word
Tyrone dropping lot of two pointers short... def need to work on that #Garvaghy
Black card! Where could the Mayo player go?
Tyrone man diving to get a Mayo man off for a black card... some things never change!
Cassidy is some clown! Tyrone man ran into Reid
What the f**k is this??
Not a black card.
Mccurrry maybe exaggerated the contact but didn't dive
Cassidy is a woeful referee - makes it all about him. Blowing needless petty stuff here that the mayo referee didn't blow last night.
Good referee performance = good game
Poor referee performance = bad game
This is a woeful game
Quote from: screenexile on February 16, 2025, 02:14:32 PMTyrone man diving to get a Mayo man off for a black card... some things never change!
Admit it you love Tyrone ❤️ Meenagh, Harte, Horse, Tally...
Cassidy's having a mare here!
He got a bad steer from the linesman regarding the 3 v 3. Looked like Cassidy had to remind him that a side with a black card only need to keep 2 men up. The same thing happened in the Down / Meath game last night.
Quote from: screenexile on February 16, 2025, 02:23:12 PMCassidy's having a mare here!
No offense to the man but he never has anything else. Not sure how he's a county ref.
Watching this,got me confused of the rules all together. Gonna happen sooner or later, there's too many rules, makes Rugby easy to uderstand.
Cassidy is a bad bad bad referee.
G ref aside, that's a bad game of fball.
The players are actually advising Cassidy of the rules.
As bad a referee as there is on the circuit.
Any referee that has to continually explain his decision is not up to standard
Comparison to the referee last night is night and day
Dirty hit there by mckernan. Not his first
Mayo completely on top now.
Quote from: Mikhailov on February 16, 2025, 02:18:10 PMNot a black card.
Mccurrry maybe exaggerated the contact but didn't dive
Cassidy is a woeful referee - makes it all about him. Blowing needless petty stuff here that the mayo referee didn't blow last night.
Good referee performance = good game
Poor referee performance = bad game
This is a woeful game
Quality GAAism 👏
How many balls have Tyrone dropped short today? Same old failing
Is it me or has McElholm been disappointing here.
Thought there was big hype around this guy?
Tyrone's attack making a complete balls of some terrific defensive work.
There was three yellow cards in that play
Quote from: red hander on February 16, 2025, 03:13:02 PMHow many balls have Tyrone dropped short today? Same old failing
Loads in both halfs
As blatant a shove in the back on Morgan as he was shooting that was missed that led to it all as well.
There has been a fair bit of protesting decisions that are not being brought forward.
McKernan could've went on the challenge before that one.
Probably should been a free out to Tyrone, Mayo man had your man wrapped with both arms.stupid foul after it from Tyrone
Mayo need to hold on to the ball see out the clock
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 16, 2025, 03:19:20 PMProbably should been a free out to Tyrone, Mayo man had your man wrapped with both arms.stupid foul after it from Tyrone
Not at all play away!
Mayo the better team Tyrone badly need the Canavans back!
Quote from: Estimator on February 16, 2025, 03:19:02 PMMcKernan could've went on the challenge before that one.
Indeed, any other bad tackle and that was him gone.
Poor enough game. Hard to know if tyrone have improved much on the past few years
Kildare have scored more after 35 minutes than both these teams have served up over 70
Tyrone need to buck up thier ideas. That attacking/shooting was as bad as I've seen.
At least the 2 Canavans have a notion where the posts are
I seen one or maybe two that was brought forward for 3v3 rule but no attempt was to bring them back to outside the 40 arc, was this the same first half from Tyrone?
2 poor teams. Mayo slightly better overall than tyrone but on this performance none of them are going to make an impact on the championship
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 16, 2025, 03:32:58 PM2 poor teams. Mayo slightly better overall than tyrone but on this performance none of them are going to make an impact on the championship
Poor crowd at tha game in Castlebar by the looks of it on the TV. The great Mayo support is beginning to wane.
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 16, 2025, 03:40:16 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on February 16, 2025, 03:32:58 PM2 poor teams. Mayo slightly better overall than tyrone but on this performance none of them are going to make an impact on the championship
Poor crowd at tha game in Castlebar by the looks of it on the TV. The great Mayo support is beginning to wane.
It's been on the wane for the last few years, and who would blame anyone to keep their money in their pocket when you see football like that
How many steps is Ryan McHugh allowed to take?
Have Donegal the wind there? Hard to tell. Armagh second best atm, a lot of players missing tho.
Armagh in big trouble. Sheer number of missing players on show
Armagh not too worried about the league.
Nine unanswered points in a row for Donegal.
Was wondering the same is there a strong wind?
That type of foul is a black card type offence
Armagh must have the Summer blades on, the amount of slipping compared to Donegal players was very noticeable.
Poor, sloppy handling errors gave Donegal most of their scores, they look clinical when they get chances but we're messing about with it and being too passive.
Forker deserved that
Idiotic from forker
The mere presence of Murphy enough to win this one ;D
Idiot. Murphys presence alone a lift
What was Forker thinking, idiotic
Quote from: Tubberman on February 16, 2025, 03:45:16 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on February 16, 2025, 03:40:16 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on February 16, 2025, 03:32:58 PM2 poor teams. Mayo slightly better overall than tyrone but on this performance none of them are going to make an impact on the championship
Poor crowd at tha game in Castlebar by the looks of it on the TV. The great Mayo support is beginning to wane.
It's been on the wane for the last few years, and who would blame anyone to keep their money in their pocket when you see football like that
I suppose it's a wet damp cold day. The Christmas bills have been cleared. Mayo took a hammering in their previous game.
I know I don't go anymore. I keep and eye on things but nothing like I used to.
Finally, God help the Referee's with all the rules.
Quote from: Kidder81 on February 16, 2025, 04:59:54 PMForker deserved that
Absolutely. He started that nonsense with Murphy and going in with the head like that is a dirty action.
Hurson. New year same cheating ****
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on February 16, 2025, 05:01:55 PMQuote from: Kidder81 on February 16, 2025, 04:59:54 PMForker deserved that
Absolutely. He started that nonsense with Murphy and going in with the head like that is a dirty action.
Stupid rather than dirty
Stupid from Forker, has robbed us of a good game, game over.
Hurson doing hurson things.
Has the shaving foam been forgotten about? Haven't seen it used since the first round
Quote from: Brendan on February 16, 2025, 05:09:20 PMHas the shaving foam been forgotten about? Haven't seen it used since the first round
Cassidy was using it in the game beforehand
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 16, 2025, 05:04:35 PMQuote from: 93-DY-SAM on February 16, 2025, 05:01:55 PMQuote from: Kidder81 on February 16, 2025, 04:59:54 PMForker deserved that
Absolutely. He started that nonsense with Murphy and going in with the head like that is a dirty action.
Stupid rather than dirty
Ah come on now. It's a dirty action in anyone's book sticking a head in. He knew what he was at trying to be the hard man squaring up to Murphy.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 16, 2025, 05:09:07 PMQuote from: 5times5times on February 16, 2025, 05:08:01 PMHurson doing hurson things.
What did he do?
Missed a few clear fouls in my opinion. Making no difference to the outcome though
Quote from: 5times5times on February 16, 2025, 05:08:01 PMHurson doing hurson things.
You didn't get a bite the first time so you went again. Sad.
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on February 16, 2025, 05:10:40 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on February 16, 2025, 05:04:35 PMQuote from: 93-DY-SAM on February 16, 2025, 05:01:55 PMQuote from: Kidder81 on February 16, 2025, 04:59:54 PMForker deserved that
Absolutely. He started that nonsense with Murphy and going in with the head like that is a dirty action.
Stupid rather than dirty
Ah come on now. It's a dirty action in anyone's book sticking a head in. He knew what he was at trying to be the hard man squaring up to Murphy.
Ah come on now. He was stupid rather than dirty. Don't disagree about the rest of ehat you say though.
Ref is fine. Had a big call to make. Amount he was talking, I thought he was going to bottle it.
Stupid for letting the team down and getting involved when he had only just come on to the pitch.
Dirty for headbutting him in the chest. Stupid X2 for doing it.
That's two marks in a row that the Armagh lads are trying a solo and go!
And Hurson has been very kind to them, it's a hop ball call
I think if McGeeney had any sense he would have bowed out after last year.
Sending off helped however Donegal fully deserved their win. Big Jim has them flying in February keeping that going into July won't be easy.
Nice cameo from Murphy.
Should be safe in Div 1 for another year. You'd assume Jim will start mixing up the line up a bit more now going forward as we've been going fairly strong so far.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 16, 2025, 05:35:44 PMSending off helped however Donegal fully deserved their win. Big Jim has them flying in February keeping that going into July won't be easy.
Why not win a league, Build on that for next year and see where it takes you.
Armagh missing a few but were well below Donegals levels
Quote from: J70 on February 16, 2025, 05:37:16 PMNice cameo from Murphy.
Should be safe in Div 1 for another year. You'd assume Jim will start mixing up the line up a bit more now going forward as we've been going fairly strong so far.
He'll not want to get to a league final with Derry the week after will he?
Thats some start for Donegal, beating Kerry, Dublin and the current All Ireland winners in 3 games.
We'll need a huge improvement and it's close to a must win against Mayo now, fairly feeling the loss of all the lads we're missing now.
In old money that was a hiding, don't think Donegal got a 2pointer?
A cost benefit analysis required for the Goalkeeper role, cost more than he contributed today - as in previous years under the old rules.
Forker's idiocy ruined the game. He'll be embarrassed after that, forgot himself.
With the team that was put out today and the players to come back in there'll hardly be a panic, but Mayo at home next becomes a must win game.
Quote from: bennydorano on February 16, 2025, 05:43:26 PMIn old money that was a hiding, don't think Donegal got a 2pointer?
A cost benefit analysis required for the Goalkeeper role, cost more than he contributed today - as in previous years under the old rules.
Forker's idiocy ruined the game. He'll be embarrassed after that, forgot himself.
With the team that was put out today and the players to come back in there'll hardly be a panic, but Mayo at home next becomes a must win game.
Yeah no panic at all, 4 home games and if we can win them we're grand, lose to Mayo though and you'd be worried.
More worrying thing is the growing missing list and them being back for championship.
Could they not just play Rafferty out the field. He leaves the goal at every opportunity as if being in goals is an inconvenience.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 16, 2025, 05:28:17 PMThat's two marks in a row that the Armagh lads are trying a solo and go!
And Hurson has been very kind to them, it's a hop ball call
Cassidy gave a free against Mayo when Ruane did that.
Quote from: rodney trotter on February 16, 2025, 05:47:45 PMCould they not just play Rafferty out the field. He leaves the goal at every opportunity as if being in goals is an inconvenience.
Don't think thats the best role for him but the way our forwards are going at the minute he'd be better.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on February 16, 2025, 05:32:35 PMI think if McGeeney had any sense he would have bowed out after last year.
Why so? Lost a league game minus 8/9 first teamers against a very strong Donegal side who will take all the stopping in the summer.
Quote from: Tubberman on February 16, 2025, 05:51:15 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 16, 2025, 05:28:17 PMThat's two marks in a row that the Armagh lads are trying a solo and go!
And Hurson has been very kind to them, it's a hop ball call
Cassidy gave a free against Mayo when Ruane did that.
Needs to be a tweak then imo, should be allowed to solo and go.
Quote from: Tubberman on February 16, 2025, 05:51:15 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 16, 2025, 05:28:17 PMThat's two marks in a row that the Armagh lads are trying a solo and go!
And Hurson has been very kind to them, it's a hop ball call
Cassidy gave a free against Mayo when Ruane did that.
Ok, was fairly sure it was a hop ball
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 16, 2025, 05:52:27 PMQuote from: Tubberman on February 16, 2025, 05:51:15 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 16, 2025, 05:28:17 PMThat's two marks in a row that the Armagh lads are trying a solo and go!
And Hurson has been very kind to them, it's a hop ball call
Cassidy gave a free against Mayo when Ruane did that.
Needs to be a tweak then imo, should be allowed to solo and go.
Another rule change ;D
That particular one has been in place years.. it's not like they don't know what to do
Quote from: bennydorano on February 16, 2025, 05:43:26 PMIn old money that was a hiding, don't think Donegal got a 2pointer?
A cost benefit analysis required for the Goalkeeper role, cost more than he contributed today - as in previous years under the old rules.
Forker's idiocy ruined the game. He'll be embarrassed after that, forgot himself.
With the team that was put out today and the players to come back in there'll hardly be a panic, but Mayo at home next becomes a must win game.
Armagh were starting get their best spell in game before Forkers moment of madness.They were second best though and deserved nothing from the game.I would have thought if jemar hall was down to start would have been better served tracking McHugh we looked a bit light in half forward line with jamar and McMullan there.
Quote from: statto on February 16, 2025, 05:52:02 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on February 16, 2025, 05:32:35 PMI think if McGeeney had any sense he would have bowed out after last year.
Why so? Lost a league game minus 8/9 first teamers against a very strong Donegal side who will take all the stopping in the summer.
. Oh don't think so. Think they not even in top 4 for all ire, might even struggle to be in reckon for Ulster.
Quote from: Dunneroyal on February 16, 2025, 05:57:24 PMQuote from: statto on February 16, 2025, 05:52:02 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on February 16, 2025, 05:32:35 PMI think if McGeeney had any sense he would have bowed out after last year.
Why so? Lost a league game minus 8/9 first teamers against a very strong Donegal side who will take all the stopping in the summer.
. Oh don't think so. Think they not even in top 4 for all ire, might even struggle to be in reckon for Ulster.
They weren't in top 4 for all Ireland last February either. I don't expect them to retain the all Ireland but I think it will take a good side to beat them in early summer.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 16, 2025, 05:52:53 PMQuote from: Tubberman on February 16, 2025, 05:51:15 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 16, 2025, 05:28:17 PMThat's two marks in a row that the Armagh lads are trying a solo and go!
And Hurson has been very kind to them, it's a hop ball call
Cassidy gave a free against Mayo when Ruane did that.
Ok, was fairly sure it was a hop ball
I wouldn't let Cassidy be the one to dissuade you from that!
Nice to see many fans concerned about Armagh. I really wouldn't be. Many players yet to return and don't even think we have hit our stride. The two teams going at the league last year failed to impress in the latter stages. Think Armagh will be ok.
So if a lad catches a ball in midfield, and doesn't call a mark, just play on, but if he call a mark, pauses then goes its a hop ball? Confusing having different mark rules for midfield area and full forward line
That some carry on by Forker, never seen Tony Scullion at that craic
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gj7RMrlXAAAoXAy?format=jpg&name=medium)
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 16, 2025, 06:18:21 PMSo if a lad catches a ball in midfield, and doesn't call a mark, just play on, but if he call a mark, pauses then goes its a hop ball? Confusing having different mark rules for midfield area and full forward line
Confusing in what way? It's not a free? The only difference between a mark into the 21 from a pass outside the 40 is it's an 'unlimited' play
A mark catch has been the same for years from the kick out, call a mark, ya take it. What's confusing?
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 16, 2025, 05:40:54 PMQuote from: J70 on February 16, 2025, 05:37:16 PMNice cameo from Murphy.
Should be safe in Div 1 for another year. You'd assume Jim will start mixing up the line up a bit more now going forward as we've been going fairly strong so far.
He'll not want to get to a league final with Derry the week after will he?
Thats some start for Donegal, beating Kerry, Dublin and the current All Ireland winners in 3 games.
We'll need a huge improvement and it's close to a must win against Mayo now, fairly feeling the loss of all the lads we're missing now.
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 16, 2025, 05:40:54 PMQuote from: J70 on February 16, 2025, 05:37:16 PMNice cameo from Murphy.
Should be safe in Div 1 for another year. You'd assume Jim will start mixing up the line up a bit more now going forward as we've been going fairly strong so far.
He'll not want to get to a league final with Derry the week after will he?
Thats some start for Donegal, beating Kerry, Dublin and the current All Ireland winners in 3 games.
We'll need a huge improvement and it's close to a must win against Mayo now, fairly feeling the loss of all the lads we're missing now.
Can't see yis losing any home games. Different animal in the athletic grounds... unfortunately
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 16, 2025, 05:40:16 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on February 16, 2025, 05:35:44 PMSending off helped however Donegal fully deserved their win. Big Jim has them flying in February keeping that going into July won't be easy.
Why not win a league, Build on that for next year and see where it takes you.
Armagh missing a few but were well below Donegals levels
We've Derry the week after the league final.
Priorities.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 16, 2025, 06:19:42 PMThat some carry on by Forker, never seen Tony Scullion at that craic
Murphy quite clearly called Forkers sister a terrorist. Well deserved...
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 16, 2025, 05:40:54 PMQuote from: J70 on February 16, 2025, 05:37:16 PMNice cameo from Murphy.
Should be safe in Div 1 for another year. You'd assume Jim will start mixing up the line up a bit more now going forward as we've been going fairly strong so far.
He'll not want to get to a league final with Derry the week after will he?
Thats some start for Donegal, beating Kerry, Dublin and the current All Ireland winners in 3 games.
We'll need a huge improvement and it's close to a must win against Mayo now, fairly feeling the loss of all the lads we're missing now.
Doubt if they'll want a league final. With safety more or less assured if they get another point, I'll be amazed if there's not a lot of chopping and changing now to get everyone some minutes.
Was there any game worth watching for a neutral supporter
What was forker at there? Really stupid thing to do.
Murphy looked sharp when he came in, I reckon that's how he might be used this year. Impact sub.
Donegal look strong at the min, really playing at championship intensity.
Apart from the first half against Tyrone, Armagh have been mediocre enough so far. Early days though and with more time and players returning should improve.
Forker's a pretend 'hardman'. Mc Kernan of Tyrone and Mc Kindless of Derry the same.
Think they're the enforcers in their teams.
Every team has one.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 16, 2025, 06:24:33 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on February 16, 2025, 06:18:21 PMSo if a lad catches a ball in midfield, and doesn't call a mark, just play on, but if he call a mark, pauses then goes its a hop ball? Confusing having different mark rules for midfield area and full forward line
Confusing in what way? It's not a free? The only difference between a mark into the 21 from a pass outside the 40 is it's an 'unlimited' play
A mark catch has been the same for years from the kick out, call a mark, ya take it. What's confusing?
You no longer need to signal an attacking mark. You must claim the KO mark if you want it.
Quote from: statto on February 16, 2025, 05:52:02 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on February 16, 2025, 05:32:35 PMI think if McGeeney had any sense he would have bowed out after last year.
Why so? Lost a league game minus 8/9 first teamers against a very strong Donegal side who will take all the stopping in the summer.
R O'Neill
O O'Neill
C O'Neill
C Mackin
P Burns
T Kelly
J McElroy
P McGrane
R Grugan
A McKay
A Nugent
Could be more I'm forgetting as well, some quality missing there.
Quote from: Tubberman on February 16, 2025, 05:51:15 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 16, 2025, 05:28:17 PMThat's two marks in a row that the Armagh lads are trying a solo and go!
And Hurson has been very kind to them, it's a hop ball call
Cassidy gave a free against Mayo when Ruane did that.
Cassidy uses his own rules.
All the weekend games were similar. Passing back and across on the edge of the arc. The new rules arent working. Football as boring as ever. Kerry in the first half against Dublin being the exception. The commentary on BBC for the Down Meath game would put anyone off football for life. Chrissy McKaigue using the modern coach speak made me feel sick....High risk kickouts, excellent skill execution, high selection of shooters, high press, etc,etc.This man is coaching this poison into young players so theres little hope for the game I'm afrah beat Down because the were able to catch a few balls from kickouts and cold hit a few 2 pointers. Down didnt catcg one single ball from a kickout the entire game. Of course theres no money to be made from simple analysis.You need the lingo to be a modern coach.
Quote from: DuffleKing on February 16, 2025, 07:22:42 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 16, 2025, 06:24:33 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on February 16, 2025, 06:18:21 PMSo if a lad catches a ball in midfield, and doesn't call a mark, just play on, but if he call a mark, pauses then goes its a hop ball? Confusing having different mark rules for midfield area and full forward line
Confusing in what way? It's not a free? The only difference between a mark into the 21 from a pass outside the 40 is it's an 'unlimited' play
A mark catch has been the same for years from the kick out, call a mark, ya take it. What's confusing?
You no longer need to signal an attacking mark. You must claim the KO mark if you want it.
From a ref's view he raises his arm for advance mark/advantage
But it shouldn't mean a player gets confused on a KO mark that's always been in place to think he can just go, the two times I seen it here, the players raised their hands
Quote from: J70 on February 16, 2025, 06:44:50 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on February 16, 2025, 05:40:54 PMQuote from: J70 on February 16, 2025, 05:37:16 PMNice cameo from Murphy.
Should be safe in Div 1 for another year. You'd assume Jim will start mixing up the line up a bit more now going forward as we've been going fairly strong so far.
He'll not want to get to a league final with Derry the week after will he?
Thats some start for Donegal, beating Kerry, Dublin and the current All Ireland winners in 3 games.
We'll need a huge improvement and it's close to a must win against Mayo now, fairly feeling the loss of all the lads we're missing now.
Doubt if they'll want a league final. With safety more or less assured if they get another point, I'll be amazed if there's not a lot of chopping and changing now to get everyone some minutes.
J70, I feel like you been telling us Donegal don't want to make a league final for the past two months. Jim isn't listening. He's picking his strongest team every game and going to warm weather training so they hit the ground running.
Some joke doing the rounds that the public address in Castlebar said anyone leaving at half time would have to pay to get out.
Quote from: marty34 on February 16, 2025, 07:18:17 PMForker's a pretend 'hardman'. Mc Kernan of Tyrone and Mc Kindless of Derry the same.
Think they're the enforcers in their teams.
Every team has one.
He's a hardy enough buck, as are the other 2.
Forker when he was younger had an awful habit of picking up stupid cards, he'd really wised up the last while, hope that was a one off.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 16, 2025, 05:40:16 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on February 16, 2025, 05:35:44 PMSending off helped however Donegal fully deserved their win. Big Jim has them flying in February keeping that going into July won't be easy.
Why not win a league, Build on that for next year and see where it takes you.
Armagh missing a few but were well below Donegals levels
Jim will have full focus on Ulster already and isn't their first match on a week after the league final? No levels between the two and Should they fare off in the summer it a fine margin contest once again.
Moderators asleep at the wheel here!
Donegal by far the better team, but playing with the wind, it was set up nicely for a great second half following a bright start.
But it was ridiculous from Forker. I'm sure he knows it, but he's not 18 any more.
Playing with a man down very difficult with the new rules.
Quote from: APM on February 16, 2025, 08:28:29 PMModerators asleep at the wheel here!
Donegal by far the better team, but playing with the wind, it was set up nicely for a great second half following a bright start.
But it was ridiculous from Forker. I'm sure he knows it, but he's not 18 any more.
Playing with a man down very difficult with the new rules.
There a few people saying that playing with a man down is actually no disadvantage
Can defend and attack with same amount of people because you can leave 2 up in each instance instead of 3.
That's what Wooly Parkinson was preaching on Twitter anyways.
Correct me if wrong.
Point is, he shouldn't be able to post that statement!
Quote from: Rossfan on February 16, 2025, 08:04:29 PMSome joke doing the rounds that the public address in Castlebar said anyone leaving at half time would have to pay to get out.
Was at the game and this happened haha to be fair the man doing the announcements had an off day in general. Big Fr Ted vibes off him. The Music taste on the PA system was top notch though.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 16, 2025, 08:32:58 PMPoint is, he shouldn't be able to post that statement!
Any part of it not fact?
Well whatever it is, I don't see the point it been posted on a football related forum and not the activities outside it.
Quote from: ONARAGGATIP on February 16, 2025, 08:38:16 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on February 16, 2025, 08:32:58 PMPoint is, he shouldn't be able to post that statement!
Any part of it not fact?
Doesn't matter what is fact, alleged or anything else. Just no need for your post earlier.
Quote from: Rossfan on February 16, 2025, 08:04:29 PMSome joke doing the rounds that the public address in Castlebar said anyone leaving at half time would have to pay to get out.
To be fair there is a plethora of patrons who have the habit of walking into games free in McHale Park at half time.
Unconvinced by the new rules. Obviously Cassidy just invented a rule book of his own today in Castlebar but overall football really isn't much different. It's still descending into basketball. Everyone back behind the arc, slow buildup, lateral passes.
Dublin Kerry was a cracker but Dublin Kerry league games in Kerry have been classics now for the guts of 10 years. Its desire and history that makes that a good game rather than the addition of new rules.
Quote from: ONARAGGATIP on February 16, 2025, 08:38:16 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on February 16, 2025, 08:32:58 PMPoint is, he shouldn't be able to post that statement!
Any part of it not fact?
You need a ban son for posting that.
Quote from: trileacman on February 16, 2025, 09:23:42 PMUnconvinced by the new rules. Obviously Cassidy just invented a rule book of his own today in Castlebar but overall football really isn't much different. It's still descending into basketball. Everyone back behind the arc, slow buildup, lateral passes.
Dublin Kerry was a cracker but Dublin Kerry league games in Kerry have been classics now for the guts of 10 years. Its desire and history that makes that a good game rather than the addition of new rules.
No I'm not seeing this. Mayo v Tyrone was always going to be low scoring today because the only player on the field - for the most part - who has ever been considered a scoring forward at this level is Darren McCurry. Not anyone's fault per se. It's just what can happen when two teams caught in a transition / rest older players quandary meet. It was always going to be laboured.
Down v Meath yesterday was a cracking game.
Quote from: ONARAGGATIP on February 16, 2025, 08:38:16 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on February 16, 2025, 08:32:58 PMPoint is, he shouldn't be able to post that statement!
Any part of it not fact?
What you have posted is libellous and if the mods don't take it down the board could be trouble.
Quote from: marty34 on February 16, 2025, 07:18:17 PMForker's a pretend 'hardman'. Mc Kernan of Tyrone and Mc Kindless of Derry the same.
Think they're the enforcers in their teams.
Every team has one.
As a Tyrone man, I think McKernan is in the top 2 players in the county - extremely consistent. From the outside, I can see where you are coming from but he is a tough cookie. Very unlucky not to have an all star before now
For me McKinless is a great player but the biggest issue I have with him is the constant diving. Always hits the deck at the merest of touches whether it is club or county but a superb athletic player
Forker is another great player and has been a brilliant servant for Armagh. I struggle to comprehend some of his antics when he is supposedly a super intellectual fella by all accounts and a primary school VP into the bargain.
In saying all that them 3 players in the half back line wouldn't be bettered as a combination.
Quote from: ONARAGGATIP on February 16, 2025, 08:07:51 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on February 16, 2025, 07:36:45 PMQuote from: statto on February 16, 2025, 05:52:02 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on February 16, 2025, 05:32:35 PMI think if McGeeney had any sense he would have bowed out after last year.
Why so? Lost a league game minus 8/9 first teamers against a very strong Donegal side who will take all the stopping in the summer.
R O'Neill
O O'Neill
C O'Neill
C Mackin
P Burns
T Kelly
J McElroy
P McGrane
R Grugan
A McKay
A Nugent
Could be more I'm forgetting as well, some quality missing there.
Wow!!!!
Can't believe I am reading this on a gaa board
Jeez have been on this board well over 25 years and that's one of the worst posts .
You should be ashamed .
Jeez
Quote from: mackers on February 16, 2025, 09:46:38 PMQuote from: ONARAGGATIP on February 16, 2025, 08:38:16 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on February 16, 2025, 08:32:58 PMPoint is, he shouldn't be able to post that statement!
Any part of it not fact?
What you have posted is libellous and if the mods don't take it down the board could be trouble.
Quote from: mackers on February 16, 2025, 09:46:38 PMQuote from: ONARAGGATIP on February 16, 2025, 08:38:16 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on February 16, 2025, 08:32:58 PMPoint is, he shouldn't be able to post that statement!
Any part of it not fact?
What you have posted is libellous and if the mods don't take it down the board could be trouble.
Dead on. Removed. Fenian c***ts
What the f**k is this shit? Mods?
It would be a good idea for anyone that has quoted it to delete or edit.
Quote from: J70 on February 16, 2025, 10:01:17 PMWhat the f**k is this shit? Mods?
Yer mans on a ragga trip innit
42 posts in 7 yrs. 2 will be well remembered anyway lol
Quote from: mackers on February 16, 2025, 10:01:51 PMIt would be a good idea for anyone that has quoted it to delete or edit.
Which ones ;D
Quote from: Mario on February 16, 2025, 07:55:39 PMQuote from: J70 on February 16, 2025, 06:44:50 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on February 16, 2025, 05:40:54 PMQuote from: J70 on February 16, 2025, 05:37:16 PMNice cameo from Murphy.
Should be safe in Div 1 for another year. You'd assume Jim will start mixing up the line up a bit more now going forward as we've been going fairly strong so far.
He'll not want to get to a league final with Derry the week after will he?
Thats some start for Donegal, beating Kerry, Dublin and the current All Ireland winners in 3 games.
We'll need a huge improvement and it's close to a must win against Mayo now, fairly feeling the loss of all the lads we're missing now.
Doubt if they'll want a league final. With safety more or less assured if they get another point, I'll be amazed if there's not a lot of chopping and changing now to get everyone some minutes.
J70, I feel like you been telling us Donegal don't want to make a league final for the past two months. Jim isn't listening. He's picking his strongest team every game and going to warm weather training so they hit the ground running.
Jim's obviously way smarter than some random idiot like myself with this senior intercounty management, but I fail to see how he could be targeting a league final appearance a week out from an extremely tough Ulster preliminary round.
We'll see what happens of course. He's not been wrong too many times.
Quote from: J70 on February 16, 2025, 10:06:35 PMQuote from: Mario on February 16, 2025, 07:55:39 PMQuote from: J70 on February 16, 2025, 06:44:50 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on February 16, 2025, 05:40:54 PMQuote from: J70 on February 16, 2025, 05:37:16 PMNice cameo from Murphy.
Should be safe in Div 1 for another year. You'd assume Jim will start mixing up the line up a bit more now going forward as we've been going fairly strong so far.
He'll not want to get to a league final with Derry the week after will he?
Thats some start for Donegal, beating Kerry, Dublin and the current All Ireland winners in 3 games.
We'll need a huge improvement and it's close to a must win against Mayo now, fairly feeling the loss of all the lads we're missing now.
Doubt if they'll want a league final. With safety more or less assured if they get another point, I'll be amazed if there's not a lot of chopping and changing now to get everyone some minutes.
J70, I feel like you been telling us Donegal don't want to make a league final for the past two months. Jim isn't listening. He's picking his strongest team every game and going to warm weather training so they hit the ground running.
Jim's obviously way smarter than some random idiot like myself with this senior intercounty management, but I fail to see how he could be targeting a league final appearance a week out from an extremely tough Ulster preliminary round.
We'll see what happens of course. He's not been wrong too many times.
Get there and then field a reserve team to prove a point? Should be string favourites now for top 2 given who they've played so far.
I'm sure Donegal would love to win a league title but not at the cost of having to play the final a week before a massive Ulster game.
Quote from: J70 on February 16, 2025, 10:06:35 PMQuote from: Mario on February 16, 2025, 07:55:39 PMQuote from: J70 on February 16, 2025, 06:44:50 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on February 16, 2025, 05:40:54 PMQuote from: J70 on February 16, 2025, 05:37:16 PMNice cameo from Murphy.
Should be safe in Div 1 for another year. You'd assume Jim will start mixing up the line up a bit more now going forward as we've been going fairly strong so far.
He'll not want to get to a league final with Derry the week after will he?
Thats some start for Donegal, beating Kerry, Dublin and the current All Ireland winners in 3 games.
We'll need a huge improvement and it's close to a must win against Mayo now, fairly feeling the loss of all the lads we're missing now.
Doubt if they'll want a league final. With safety more or less assured if they get another point, I'll be amazed if there's not a lot of chopping and changing now to get everyone some minutes.
J70, I feel like you been telling us Donegal don't want to make a league final for the past two months. Jim isn't listening. He's picking his strongest team every game and going to warm weather training so they hit the ground running.
Jim's obviously way smarter than some random idiot like myself with this senior intercounty management, but I fail to see how he could be targeting a league final appearance a week out from an extremely tough Ulster preliminary round.
We'll see what happens of course. He's not been wrong too many times.
Is losing in championship that bigga deal? Sure another crack at it build momentum and who knows. But silverware isn't always coming so when the opportunity knocks...
It's going to be hard for Donegal to avoid a league final at this stage. I do hope he fields a second string for last couple of games as one of those is against Derry but I can't see it.
On one hand you want to keep players fresh but losing momentum and games is just as dangerous. It's a tricky balance. Look at what happened Derry last year when we lost to Donegal. Confidence plummeted, injuries came and the wheels came off.
That being said I do expect he'd rest players for league final if Ulster is week later.
Quote from: ONARAGGATIP on February 16, 2025, 08:38:16 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on February 16, 2025, 08:32:58 PMPoint is, he shouldn't be able to post that statement!
Any part of it not fact?
And therein lies the issue with anonymous names, a$$wipes like yourself can temporarily turn a decent forum into twitter. You would not in a million years put your actual name to this post. A coward
Quote from: Mikhailov on February 16, 2025, 09:51:33 PMQuote from: marty34 on February 16, 2025, 07:18:17 PMForker's a pretend 'hardman'. Mc Kernan of Tyrone and Mc Kindless of Derry the same.
Think they're the enforcers in their teams.
Every team has one.
As a Tyrone man, I think McKernan is in the top 2 players in the county - extremely consistent. From the outside, I can see where you are coming from but he is a tough cookie. Very unlucky not to have an all star before now
For me McKinless is a great player but the biggest issue I have with him is the constant diving. Always hits the deck at the merest of touches whether it is club or county but a superb athletic player
Forker is another great player and has been a brilliant servant for Armagh. I struggle to comprehend some of his antics when he is supposedly a super intellectual fella by all accounts and a primary school VP into the bargain.
In saying all that them 3 players in the half back line wouldn't be bettered as a combination.
3 brilliant players, albeit they stray across the line from time to time... pantomime villians and we all secretly love these types of players
Im thinking of exactly Derry last year! How many games did it take them to get back on their feet after Donegal beat them, and even then they never came close to the levels of the previous two years.
Leaving aside the final, it is a balancing act with the squad, but Donegal have plenty of scope for rotation. Mark Curran has been the starting corner back the last two seasons, but he's just being eased in so Roarty can find his feet at senior. McFadden Ferry is back in the squad after missing last year and is yet to feature. Conor O'Donnell missed much of last year but has featured heavily so far. Langan is out so will presumably feature towards the end. There are a few other lads who haven't seen much game time yet too.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 16, 2025, 06:19:42 PMThat some carry on by Forker, never seen Tony Scullion at that craic
Let's just say Forker wouldn't be known for his intelligence. Imagine him rocking up to teach primary school kids tomorrow after doing that? God help the poor kids...
Quote from: onefineday on February 02, 2025, 09:47:47 AMJust like removing the 4 point goal whilst retaining the 2 pointer (because of fears that scores might get out of hand).
And of course allowing some technical fouls to be brought back outside the arc to avail of the 2 point option if desired.
7 goals in 5 division one games to date - worth keeping an eye on how this develops with the reduced incentive to work a goal.
On the face of it, this didn't age well as the next game was the infamous Derry v Kerry 6 goal thriller in Celtic Park.
However, looking at it now.
We've had 12 games in D1, 3 of them have been goalless, 6 more have had one goal and only 3 games have had more than one goal.
The average overall is 1.42 goals per game, but disregarding the Derry v Kerry goalfest, the average drops to 1.0 per game and removing all Derry games, the average drops to just .78 goals per game!
Donegal have yet to raise a green flag at all this year (they haven't played Derry yet!), Kerry are top goal getters with 7, Mayo and surprisingly Dublin who usually feature heavily in goal stakes (no Con yet I guess) have one goal apiece and everyone else has two goals.
I haven't looked at the other divisions in any detail, but there does appear to have been a signficant uptick in goals per games there. I'm not sure why this is the case, better drilled teams at the top who defend better? Top level teams more likely to work a two-pointer? Just an aberration that will balance itself out?
Quote from: Armagh4sam2024 on February 16, 2025, 11:20:28 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on February 16, 2025, 06:19:42 PMThat some carry on by Forker, never seen Tony Scullion at that craic
Let's just say Forker wouldn't be known for his intelligence. Imagine him rocking up to teach primary school kids tomorrow after doing that? God help the poor kids...
Wise up.
Quote from: Armagh4sam2024 on February 16, 2025, 11:20:28 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on February 16, 2025, 06:19:42 PMThat some carry on by Forker, never seen Tony Scullion at that craic
Let's just say Forker wouldn't be known for his intelligence. Imagine him rocking up to teach primary school kids tomorrow after doing that? God help the poor kids...
Ridiculous post. How is his actions on the football pitch in anyway related to his ability to do his job? He let himself and his team down yesterday, I would imagine no one will be as sore on him as himself this morning.
Quote from: galwayman on February 17, 2025, 08:26:37 AMQuestion lads.... I looked at the rule changes a few times when they initially came out. I don't remember seeing one that changed the penalty for a goalie seemingly taking too long over a kickout from a throw in to actually conceding a 13m free to the opposition.
Was that part of the rules or has it been added subsequently?
It happened in a few games over the weekend.
I'm a fan of some of the new rules definitely but I think the penalty in this instance and some others is extreme (not saying this because our own keeper was one of those penalised either by the way).
Being allowed to kick a two pointer for a 3v3 infringement is also draconian. Suits us as Walsh will kick them all day but I don't think this is right.
I take it you didn't see the Sunday game last night were this was discussed
In short, FRC and referees changed that rule last week but forgot to notify the managers & players....hard to believe but seemingly true.
Cantwell said RTE contacted 4 managers yesterday and none of them were aware of the rule change, despite it been agreed at the beginning of the week
Communication through the various channels, be it Croke Park admin, FRC, referee committee seems to be very poor - this has happened several times now.
In week 1, Joyce and McGeeney were using 2 different sets of rules along the sideline in their game
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 17, 2025, 05:51:10 AMQuote from: Armagh4sam2024 on February 16, 2025, 11:20:28 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on February 16, 2025, 06:19:42 PMThat some carry on by Forker, never seen Tony Scullion at that craic
Let's just say Forker wouldn't be known for his intelligence. Imagine him rocking up to teach primary school kids tomorrow after doing that? God help the poor kids...
Wise up.
Yeah. Statements like that are uncalled for.
Quote from: Mikhailov on February 17, 2025, 08:36:36 AMQuote from: galwayman on February 17, 2025, 08:26:37 AMQuestion lads.... I looked at the rule changes a few times when they initially came out. I don't remember seeing one that changed the penalty for a goalie seemingly taking too long over a kickout from a throw in to actually conceding a 13m free to the opposition.
Was that part of the rules or has it been added subsequently?
It happened in a few games over the weekend.
I'm a fan of some of the new rules definitely but I think the penalty in this instance and some others is extreme (not saying this because our own keeper was one of those penalised either by the way).
Being allowed to kick a two pointer for a 3v3 infringement is also draconian. Suits us as Walsh will kick them all day but I don't think this is right.
I take it you didn't see the Sunday game last night were this was discussed
In short, FRC and referees changed that rule last week but forgot to notify the managers & players....hard to believe but seemingly true.
Cantwell said RTE contacted 4 managers yesterday and none of them were aware of the rule change, despite it been agreed at the beginning of the week
Communication through the various channels, be it Croke Park admin, FRC, referee committee seems to be very poor - this has happened several times now.
In week 1, Joyce and McGeeney were using 2 different sets of rules along the sideline in their game
She seemed particularly annoyed that she wasn't made aware.
Before Forker the numpty done what he did, Armagh had reeled Donegal back to 2pts.
Look at the comparison in squads. People now have Dng as AI Champs, and Armagh back Div2...
From AIF, Armagh were missing the following lads yday who didnt see the pitch either yday, or at all this yr.. I count 12....
McKay
Burns
3x Oneills
McElroy
2x Mackins
Grugan
Nugent
Kelly
McGrane
12........
From an Armagh perspective, we have a lot of players to return to the fray as mentioned, so I wouldn't be panicking.
All teams in division 1 are aiming to consolidate their place in the league, and find some consistency in their approach to these new rules. Anything else is a facile bonus.
Donegal looked good to be fair to them. McGuniness and Murphy carry this aura around them that lifts the team. They will be in contention for major honors later in the year if they can keep players injury free for sure.
Maybe both will improve once they get first choice players back but Tyrone v Mayo yesterday looked every bit like the two sides that will be dropping down to Div 2 .
Among the live games this weekend it was by far the worst with neither side overly keen to embrace the new rules at all.
Missed McGrane, make that 12 players Armagh missing. Perspective needed.
I thought the 2nd Armagh 15 always beat the 1st Armagh 15 in training... ;)
Quote from: 5times5times on February 17, 2025, 11:03:24 AMMissed McGrane, make that 12 players Armagh missing. Perspective needed.
Yeah and all lads that would be pushing to start or at the very least make an impact.
Quote from: cornerback on February 17, 2025, 11:15:18 AMI thought the 2nd Armagh 15 always beat the 1st Armagh 15 in training... ;)
Who said that? I dunno why but every Armagh loss seems to attract bellends to the board.
I know what people are saying about the players that are missing and of course this is right but my concern is how many will be returning soon. It's a relatively short season and there's a few long term injuries there.
Quote from: cornerback on February 17, 2025, 11:15:18 AMI thought the 2nd Armagh 15 always beat the 1st Armagh 15 in training... ;)
Now the second team is getting injured too lol
Quote from: 5times5times on February 17, 2025, 10:22:05 AMBefore Forker the numpty done what he did, Armagh had reeled Donegal back to 2pts.
Look at the comparison in squads. People now have Dng as AI Champs, and Armagh back Div2...
From AIF, Armagh were missing the following lads yday who didnt see the pitch either yday, or at all this yr.. I count 12....
McKay
Burns
3x Oneills
McElroy
2x Mackins
Grugan
Nugent
Kelly
McGrane
12........
Donegal's fitness levels seem to be way ahead of anyone else at the minute and they were at home. They also seem to be building real depth in their panel.
Armagh will find it difficult to reach the heights of last year again, and discipline is seemingly an issue so far this year. They destroyed Tyrone a couple of weeks ago, but Tyrone rolled over so it was all too easy. Donegal didn't roll over and Armagh struggled for the whole game.
Realistically, Armagh are not as bad as they showed yesterday, but also with all their players available it's debatable if they'd have beaten that Donegal team yesterday who looked impressive.
Quote from: mackers on February 17, 2025, 11:36:37 AMQuote from: cornerback on February 17, 2025, 11:15:18 AMI thought the 2nd Armagh 15 always beat the 1st Armagh 15 in training... ;)
Who said that? I dunno why but every Armagh loss seems to attract bellends to the board.
I know what people are saying about the players that are missing and of course this is right but my concern is how many will be returning soon. It's a relatively short season and there's a few long term injuries there.
Yeah worrying enough, but McCormack and McMullen have put their hands up so far. Could do with Rian back for sure.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on February 17, 2025, 11:00:36 AMMaybe both will improve once they get first choice players back but Tyrone v Mayo yesterday looked every bit like the two sides that will be dropping down to Div 2 .
Among the live games this weekend it was by far the worst with neither side overly keen to embrace the new rules at all.
Tyrone have already beaten Derry, though Derry have improved a lot since that game I feel.
There are 3 relegation candidates for the 2 spots imo, Derry, Tyrone and Mayo.
Derry have still got Dublin, Donegal, Armagh to play away from home and a home game against Mayo (I think).
We need to pick up at least an away win and beat Mayo at home to have a chance of staying up - which is no easy ask given the players we have out (McKinless for the year, McLuskey, Loughlin, Gilmore), but at least we have McGrogan returning.
But yeah, Tyrone and Mayo looked awful yesterday, however, Tyrone still have the errigal players to return.
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Donegal by far the better team, but playing with the wind, it was set up nicely for a great second half following a bright start.
But it was ridiculous from Forker. I'm sure he knows it, but he's not 18 any more.
Playing with a man down very difficult with the new rules.
There a few people saying that playing with a man down is actually no disadvantage
Can defend and attack with same amount of people because you can leave 2 up in each instance instead of 3.
That's what Wooly Parkinson was preaching on Twitter anyways.
Correct me if wrong.
Honestly think given the speed of the game and more open nature it is a disaster to be a man down as it means your attack suffers badly as you rob the forward unit to shore up defence. Transition from defence to attack becomes tougher and slower.
That said I see the point, with Rafferty much more involved than Patton, it shouldn't have had as big an impact. Armagh generally took the wrong options and kind of lost the plot after the sending off.
What was most frustrating was that yesterday's game was nicely poised going into the last 20 minutes for a great finish before Forker's moment of madness. Armagh had played none and they were right in the game.
He is captain of the all Ireland Champions and Murphy hadn't played football in 1000 days. Leaving aside the sending off he had nothing to gain from getting involved and it let the Murphy and Donegal know that they had got inside their heads.
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Donegal by far the better team, but playing with the wind, it was set up nicely for a great second half following a bright start.
But it was ridiculous from Forker. I'm sure he knows it, but he's not 18 any more.
Playing with a man down very difficult with the new rules.
There a few people saying that playing with a man down is actually no disadvantage
Can defend and attack with same amount of people because you can leave 2 up in each instance instead of 3.
That's what Wooly Parkinson was preaching on Twitter anyways.
Correct me if wrong.
Honestly think given the speed of the game and more open nature it is a disaster to be a man down as it means your attack suffers badly as you rob the forward unit to shore up defence. Transition from defence to attack becomes tougher and slower.
That said I see the point, with Rafferty much more involved than Patton, it shouldn't have had as big an impact. Armagh generally took the wrong options and kind of lost the plot after the sending off.
What was most frustrating was that yesterday's game was nicely poised going into the last 20 minutes for a great finish before Forker's moment of madness. Armagh had played none and they were right in the game.
He is captain of the all Ireland Champions and Murphy hadn't played football in 1000 days. Leaving aside the sending off he had nothing to gain from getting involved and it let the Murphy and Donegal know that they had got inside their heads.
Yeah absolutely, should have totally ignored Murphy, Forkers a hardy buck but he isnt going to bully that sow. Forker roasted him in Clones in '22 and should have stuck to football, would have been a great battle and every chance we get something from the game.
A moment of madness from Forker. I thought he had left that behind him. Somehow we had managed to make it a 2 point game, and we had played none.
Armagh had so many below power performances it was always going to be tough. I know it all ends up in a zone, but I dont think leaving young Conaty to stop Paddy McBrearty is a good idea, but yet we left it like that on numerous occasions in the 1st half.
Good to see Murphy back, and he will certainly be useful for Donegal in the final quarter of the big games. Some quality shooting on display by Donegal and as usual McHugh is a joy to watch.
Quote from: mackers on February 17, 2025, 11:36:37 AMQuote from: cornerback on February 17, 2025, 11:15:18 AMI thought the 2nd Armagh 15 always beat the 1st Armagh 15 in training... ;)
Who said that? I dunno why but every Armagh loss seems to attract bellends to the board.
I know what people are saying about the players that are missing and of course this is right but my concern is how many will be returning soon. It's a relatively short season and there's a few long term injuries there.
Jaysus, bit touchy are ye?? Fecking relax ye douchebag!
It was said several times on here during the Armagh's run last year that the 2nd 15 beat the 1st 15 in in-house games... it was often talked about that one of Armagh's strengths was in the replacements being of the same standard as the lads in the first 15 with no drop off.
Not that it should need said, my comment was a joke hence the emoji. Of course any team will suffer with an extensive injury list.
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 17, 2025, 12:27:24 PMQuote from: APM on February 17, 2025, 12:22:26 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 16, 2025, 08:32:29 PMQuote from: APM on February 16, 2025, 08:28:29 PMModerators asleep at the wheel here!
Donegal by far the better team, but playing with the wind, it was set up nicely for a great second half following a bright start.
But it was ridiculous from Forker. I'm sure he knows it, but he's not 18 any more.
Playing with a man down very difficult with the new rules.
There a few people saying that playing with a man down is actually no disadvantage
Can defend and attack with same amount of people because you can leave 2 up in each instance instead of 3.
That's what Wooly Parkinson was preaching on Twitter anyways.
Correct me if wrong.
Honestly think given the speed of the game and more open nature it is a disaster to be a man down as it means your attack suffers badly as you rob the forward unit to shore up defence. Transition from defence to attack becomes tougher and slower.
That said I see the point, with Rafferty much more involved than Patton, it shouldn't have had as big an impact. Armagh generally took the wrong options and kind of lost the plot after the sending off.
What was most frustrating was that yesterday's game was nicely poised going into the last 20 minutes for a great finish before Forker's moment of madness. Armagh had played none and they were right in the game.
He is captain of the all Ireland Champions and Murphy hadn't played football in 1000 days. Leaving aside the sending off he had nothing to gain from getting involved and it let the Murphy and Donegal know that they had got inside their heads.
Yeah absolutely, should have totally ignored Murphy, Forkers a hardy buck but he isnt going to bully that sow. Forker roasted him in Clones in '22 and should have stuck to football, would have been a great battle and every chance we get something from the game.
Yep, Forker did a number on Murphy that day and I'm sure that played some role in Murphy's building frustration and doubts about continuing, although the circus that culminated in the appointment of poor Paddy Carr was the ultimate decider.
Madness from Forker yesterday though, especially given the circumstances. I'm sure he's as embarrassed as hell today.
And it's all performative nonsense anyway. The pushing and shoving crap I mean.
Quote from: J70 on February 17, 2025, 01:09:44 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on February 17, 2025, 12:27:24 PMQuote from: APM on February 17, 2025, 12:22:26 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 16, 2025, 08:32:29 PMQuote from: APM on February 16, 2025, 08:28:29 PMModerators asleep at the wheel here!
Donegal by far the better team, but playing with the wind, it was set up nicely for a great second half following a bright start.
But it was ridiculous from Forker. I'm sure he knows it, but he's not 18 any more.
Playing with a man down very difficult with the new rules.
There a few people saying that playing with a man down is actually no disadvantage
Can defend and attack with same amount of people because you can leave 2 up in each instance instead of 3.
That's what Wooly Parkinson was preaching on Twitter anyways.
Correct me if wrong.
Honestly think given the speed of the game and more open nature it is a disaster to be a man down as it means your attack suffers badly as you rob the forward unit to shore up defence. Transition from defence to attack becomes tougher and slower.
That said I see the point, with Rafferty much more involved than Patton, it shouldn't have had as big an impact. Armagh generally took the wrong options and kind of lost the plot after the sending off.
What was most frustrating was that yesterday's game was nicely poised going into the last 20 minutes for a great finish before Forker's moment of madness. Armagh had played none and they were right in the game.
He is captain of the all Ireland Champions and Murphy hadn't played football in 1000 days. Leaving aside the sending off he had nothing to gain from getting involved and it let the Murphy and Donegal know that they had got inside their heads.
Yeah absolutely, should have totally ignored Murphy, Forkers a hardy buck but he isnt going to bully that sow. Forker roasted him in Clones in '22 and should have stuck to football, would have been a great battle and every chance we get something from the game.
Yep, Forker did a number on Murphy that day and I'm sure that played some role in Murphy's building frustration and doubts about continuing, although the circus that culminated in the appointment of poor Paddy Carr was the ultimate decider.
Madness from Forker yesterday though, especially given the circumstances. I'm sure he's as embarrassed as hell today.
And it's all performative nonsense anyway. The pushing and shoving crap I mean.
Ah yeah just daft from Forker altogether and I'm sure he feels like a clown. According to the GAA social he'll likely get 2 game ban which is a dose as well and we'll miss him.
Pure stupidity from Forker, no need whatsoever. The O'Neills are missed big time. Once again McConville is thrown into a lost cause. I would like to see what he is made of. Turbitt non extistent in a big game once more. Rafferty looks like he would be really good outfield. Are the O'Neills returning?
Quote from: JPO on February 16, 2025, 07:51:48 PMAll the weekend games were similar. Passing back and across on the edge of the arc. The new rules arent working. Football as boring as ever. Kerry in the first half against Dublin being the exception. The commentary on BBC for the Down Meath game would put anyone off football for life. Chrissy McKaigue using the modern coach speak made me feel sick....High risk kickouts, excellent skill execution, high selection of shooters, high press, etc,etc.This man is coaching this poison into young players so theres little hope for the game I'm afrah beat Down because the were able to catch a few balls from kickouts and cold hit a few 2 pointers. Down didnt catcg one single ball from a kickout the entire game. Of course theres no money to be made from simple analysis.You need the lingo to be a modern coach.
I only saw about 90s of this game but had the pleaseure of watching young Murdoch from Burren fetch a kick out in the bit I saw of the first half.
Are you sure you didn't miss many more?
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 17, 2025, 02:24:02 PMPure stupidity from Forker, no need whatsoever. The O'Neills are missed big time. Once again McConville is thrown into a lost cause. I would like to see what he is made of. Turbitt non extistent in a big game once more. Rafferty looks like he would be really good outfield. Are the O'Neills returning?
Oisin was there with the team on Sunday anyway.
Is some social media pile-on Forker. Not so much here but on Facebook getting wild touch from ones on bout his job etc etc nasty aul shite from keyboard warriors...
It was a split second stupid hit... Murphy wasn't even injured. I've met him a few times... sound lad as most of them are.
GAA live next weekend:
Sat
5pm: Armagh v Mayo (F) - TG4
7.30pm: Dublin v Derry (F) - BBC iPlayer
7.30pm: Armagh v Mayo (LF) - TG4
7.30pm: Tipp v Cork (H) - RTÉ 2
Sun
1.45pm: Kilkenny v Limerick (H) - TG4
1.45pm: Tyrone v Kerry (F) - TG4 player
3.45pm: Galway v Donegal (F) - TG4
I'd swop Galway v Donegal if I were a scheduler, that will be arse boxing of the highest order now!
Quote from: Truthsayer on February 17, 2025, 05:47:46 PMIs some social media pile-on Forker. Not so much here but on Facebook getting wild touch from ones on bout his job etc etc nasty aul shite from keyboard warriors...
It was a split second stupid hit... Murphy wasn't even injured. I've met him a few times... sound lad as most of them are.
I'd say 99% of those piling on wouldn't darken their own clubs gates never mind travelling to a county game.. Complete clowns.
Incredible how Armagh fans are finding new ways to play the victims.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on February 17, 2025, 07:08:16 PMIncredible how Armagh fans are finding new ways to play the victims.
Where?
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on February 17, 2025, 07:08:16 PMIncredible how Armagh fans are finding new ways to play the victims.
The last 2 posters are from Derry & Tyrone I think.
And you're a very poor WUM. Try way too hard.
Quote from: Truthsayer on February 17, 2025, 05:47:46 PMIs some social media pile-on Forker. Not so much here but on Facebook getting wild touch from ones on bout his job etc etc nasty aul shite from keyboard warriors...
It was a split second stupid hit... Murphy wasn't even injured. I've met him a few times... sound lad as most of them are.
Yeah totally uncalled for, stupid from Forker but Murphy wouldn't have even felt it. In the nicest way possible Forker is a horrible f**ker on the field (as any good defender is) but he's a gent off it. He'll feel like a complete idiot today.
He's getting plenty as well from Armagh fans, they'd do well to remember what he did for us last summer.
Quote from: bennydorano on February 17, 2025, 07:48:10 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on February 17, 2025, 07:08:16 PMIncredible how Armagh fans are finding new ways to play the victims.
The last 2 posters are from Derry & Tyrone I think.
And you're a very poor WUM. Try way too hard.
An absolute dose lol
Armagh are in the bottom half with just 2 points from a possible 6. Derry may not be at the bottom of the division for much longer given the weekend's display
Quote from: seafoid on February 17, 2025, 09:01:23 PMArmagh are in the bottom half with just 2 points from a possible 6. Derry may not be at the bottom of the division for much longer given the weekend's display
Mayo at home definitely a game we need to be winning. Derry have a tough one in Croker.
Notwithstanding the stupidity of the actual headbutt, I can't believe that Forker was stupid enough to think that rough housing a player like Murphy was in any way going to intimidate him or put him off his game. You see this shit all the time, how many have tried and failed on Clifford and Shane Walsh? Darragh Canavan gets it too. Forker just made himself look like a complete fool and maybe that's the biggest deterrent for that type of behaviour.
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 17, 2025, 09:06:10 PMNotwithstanding the stupidity of the actual headbutt, I can't believe that Forker was stupid enough to think that rough housing a player like Murphy was in any way going to intimidate him or put him off his game. You see this shit all the time, how many have tried and failed on Clifford and Shane Walsh? Darragh Canavan gets it too. Forker just made himself look like a complete fool and maybe that's the biggest deterrent for that type of behaviour.
You be as well throwing digs at the concrete stand as Murphy lol.
Tbh Walsh and Canavan I think can be got at and put off their game at times. Clifford has his off days but not sure he can be bullied as poor O'Hora found out in Croker a few years back.
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 17, 2025, 09:06:10 PMNotwithstanding the stupidity of the actual headbutt, I can't believe that Forker was stupid enough to think that rough housing a player like Murphy was in any way going to intimidate him or put him off his game. You see this shit all the time, how many have tried and failed on Clifford and Shane Walsh? Darragh Canavan gets it too. Forker just made himself look like a complete fool and maybe that's the biggest deterrent for that type of behaviour.
Goes on all the time in football and hurling, it was nothing.. just the head butt to the chest was bizarre... and harmless.
Why it go all the time? The days of the wannabe hard man long gone. Go do boxing or ufc, they never last long. To me, players are either instructed to do it, or don't think they capable of marking their man.
Quote from: Truthsayer on February 17, 2025, 09:19:30 PMQuote from: BennyHarp on February 17, 2025, 09:06:10 PMNotwithstanding the stupidity of the actual headbutt, I can't believe that Forker was stupid enough to think that rough housing a player like Murphy was in any way going to intimidate him or put him off his game. You see this shit all the time, how many have tried and failed on Clifford and Shane Walsh? Darragh Canavan gets it too. Forker just made himself look like a complete fool and maybe that's the biggest deterrent for that type of behaviour.
Goes on all the time in football and hurling, it was nothing.. just the head butt to the chest was bizarre... and harmless.
Yeah completely.
Be as well shake his hand and say "welcome back Murphy Donegal must be fair stuck if they're bringing an owl boy like you back" Go and win the first ball and you'll start putting doubts in his head.
Quote from: JoG2 on February 17, 2025, 06:40:51 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 17, 2025, 05:47:46 PMIs some social media pile-on Forker. Not so much here but on Facebook getting wild touch from ones on bout his job etc etc nasty aul shite from keyboard warriors...
It was a split second stupid hit... Murphy wasn't even injured. I've met him a few times... sound lad as most of them are.
I'd say 99% of those piling on wouldn't darken their own clubs gates never mind travelling to a county game.. Complete clowns.
More fool you going to all the games to donate to players and their wags holiday fund.
Has anyone noticed how the wheels have fallen off the Derry train ever since they started to introduce North Derry players? They won two Ulster's with all 15 from Loughinsholin barony. For example they being in a North Derry goalkeeper and concede 7 goals in 3 games. That is my theory.
Quote from: Norm-Peterson on February 17, 2025, 10:17:42 PMQuote from: JoG2 on February 17, 2025, 06:40:51 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 17, 2025, 05:47:46 PMIs some social media pile-on Forker. Not so much here but on Facebook getting wild touch from ones on bout his job etc etc nasty aul shite from keyboard warriors...
It was a split second stupid hit... Murphy wasn't even injured. I've met him a few times... sound lad as most of them are.
I'd say 99% of those piling on wouldn't darken their own clubs gates never mind travelling to a county game.. Complete clowns.
More fool you going to all the games to donate to players and their wags holiday fund.
Quote from: Norm-Peterson on February 17, 2025, 10:21:45 PMHas anyone noticed how the wheels have fallen off the Derry train ever since they started to introduce North Derry players? They won two Ulster's with all 15 from Loughinsholin barony. For example they being in a North Derry goalkeeper and concede 7 goals in 3 games. That is my theory.
You shouldn't say that...it's true but you shouldn't say it
Quote from: Truthsayer on February 17, 2025, 05:47:46 PMIs some social media pile-on Forker. Not so much here but on Facebook getting wild touch from ones on bout his job etc etc nasty aul shite from keyboard warriors...
It was a split second stupid hit... Murphy wasn't even injured. I've met him a few times... sound lad as most of them are.
Teachers are often short tempered people so it is no surprise to me. My old PE teacher was a short tempered man who was also a former footballer. I recall him getting sent off on TV too.
Quote from: Norm-Peterson on February 17, 2025, 10:46:09 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 17, 2025, 05:47:46 PMIs some social media pile-on Forker. Not so much here but on Facebook getting wild touch from ones on bout his job etc etc nasty aul shite from keyboard warriors...
It was a split second stupid hit... Murphy wasn't even injured. I've met him a few times... sound lad as most of them are.
Teachers are often short tempered people so it is no surprise to me. My old PE teacher was a short tempered man who was also a former footballer. I recall him getting sent off on TV too.
The 5 stages of a social media cycle involving a GAA player and an unsavoury incident.
1. Some people are genuinely disgusted and need to tell the world.
2. The WUMs sense blood and pile on.
3. The player indicates he's struggling mentally with why may he reading online.
4. Supporters circle the wagons and chase down any and every detractor whilst waving the mental health flag.
5. All goes away.
Players should just attempt to get to act three asap, it goes away quickly after that.
Quote from: Norm-Peterson on February 17, 2025, 10:46:09 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 17, 2025, 05:47:46 PMIs some social media pile-on Forker. Not so much here but on Facebook getting wild touch from ones on bout his job etc etc nasty aul shite from keyboard warriors...
It was a split second stupid hit... Murphy wasn't even injured. I've met him a few times... sound lad as most of them are.
Teachers are often short tempered people so it is no surprise to me. My old PE teacher was a short tempered man who was also a former footballer. I recall him getting sent off on TV too.
Aye that sort of nonsense highlighting his job. I've seen players all walks of life do much worse than that on a football field..
No harm in what Forker did, but it was embarrassing. I can see why people are highlighting his actions in relation to his job, same with any teacher in that they are obviously meant to lead by example in and out of school.
Quote from: thewobbler on February 17, 2025, 10:58:35 PMQuote from: Norm-Peterson on February 17, 2025, 10:46:09 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 17, 2025, 05:47:46 PMIs some social media pile-on Forker. Not so much here but on Facebook getting wild touch from ones on bout his job etc etc nasty aul shite from keyboard warriors...
It was a split second stupid hit... Murphy wasn't even injured. I've met him a few times... sound lad as most of them are.
Teachers are often short tempered people so it is no surprise to me. My old PE teacher was a short tempered man who was also a former footballer. I recall him getting sent off on TV too.
The 5 stages of a social media cycle involving a GAA player and an unsavoury incident.
1. Some people are genuinely disgusted and need to tell the world.
2. The WUMs sense blood and pile on.
3. The player indicates he's struggling mentally with why may he reading online.
4. Supporters circle the wagons and chase down any and every detractor whilst waving the mental health flag.
5. All goes away.
Players should just attempt to get to act three asap, it goes away quickly after that.
It would be refreshing if the player was able to laugh at it and say I don't know what the hell I was thinking without resorting to step 3.
Quote from: thewobbler on February 17, 2025, 10:58:35 PMQuote from: Norm-Peterson on February 17, 2025, 10:46:09 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 17, 2025, 05:47:46 PMIs some social media pile-on Forker. Not so much here but on Facebook getting wild touch from ones on bout his job etc etc nasty aul shite from keyboard warriors...
It was a split second stupid hit... Murphy wasn't even injured. I've met him a few times... sound lad as most of them are.
Teachers are often short tempered people so it is no surprise to me. My old PE teacher was a short tempered man who was also a former footballer. I recall him getting sent off on TV too.
The 5 stages of a social media cycle involving a GAA player and an unsavoury incident.
1. Some people are genuinely disgusted and need to tell the world.
2. The WUMs sense blood and pile on.
3. The player indicates he's struggling mentally with why may he reading online.
4. Supporters circle the wagons and chase down any and every detractor whilst waving the mental health flag.
5. All goes away.
Players should just attempt to get to act three asap, it goes away quickly after that.
What actually baffles me with social media, including my own musings on here is why anybody would think that the world is waiting for them to post their opinion. And many sincerely believe that.
Quote from: APM on February 18, 2025, 08:33:26 AMQuote from: thewobbler on February 17, 2025, 10:58:35 PMQuote from: Norm-Peterson on February 17, 2025, 10:46:09 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 17, 2025, 05:47:46 PMIs some social media pile-on Forker. Not so much here but on Facebook getting wild touch from ones on bout his job etc etc nasty aul shite from keyboard warriors...
It was a split second stupid hit... Murphy wasn't even injured. I've met him a few times... sound lad as most of them are.
Teachers are often short tempered people so it is no surprise to me. My old PE teacher was a short tempered man who was also a former footballer. I recall him getting sent off on TV too.
The 5 stages of a social media cycle involving a GAA player and an unsavoury incident.
1. Some people are genuinely disgusted and need to tell the world.
2. The WUMs sense blood and pile on.
3. The player indicates he's struggling mentally with why may he reading online.
4. Supporters circle the wagons and chase down any and every detractor whilst waving the mental health flag.
5. All goes away.
Players should just attempt to get to act three asap, it goes away quickly after that.
It would be refreshing if the player was able to laugh at it and say I don't know what the hell I was thinking without resorting to step 3.
I dont think Forker will be too bothered by any pile on, he's long enough in the tooth to know to take bo heed of it. he'll feel daft enough and will just be saying Jesus that was stupid I was trying to get a reaction and went too far.
Red cards, sexual assault allegations, headbutts, star men leaving the team. It's been some start to the year as AI champions. Early signs that they could rival Tyrone 2022 as the worst defenders of an AI title in history.
Quote from: Mario on February 18, 2025, 10:03:17 AMRed cards, sexual assault allegations, headbutts, star men leaving the team. It's been some start to the year as AI champions. Early signs that they could rival Tyrone 2022 as the worst defenders of an AI title in history.
Aye or they could be like Derry all fart no shite. At the end of the day they have AI medals in their back pockets while youse boys were sat w**king over Ronan Gallagher like he was the second coming of Christ
Quote from: Mario on February 18, 2025, 10:03:17 AMRed cards, sexual assault allegations, headbutts, star men leaving the team. It's been some start to the year as AI champions. Early signs that they could rival Tyrone 2022 as the worst defenders of an AI title in history.
People can be very reactive after league games. Even if we do fall flat this year, who cares? We got the only title that matters last July!
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 18, 2025, 09:59:44 AMQuote from: APM on February 18, 2025, 08:33:26 AMQuote from: thewobbler on February 17, 2025, 10:58:35 PMQuote from: Norm-Peterson on February 17, 2025, 10:46:09 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 17, 2025, 05:47:46 PMIs some social media pile-on Forker. Not so much here but on Facebook getting wild touch from ones on bout his job etc etc nasty aul shite from keyboard warriors...
It was a split second stupid hit... Murphy wasn't even injured. I've met him a few times... sound lad as most of them are.
Teachers are often short tempered people so it is no surprise to me. My old PE teacher was a short tempered man who was also a former footballer. I recall him getting sent off on TV too.
The 5 stages of a social media cycle involving a GAA player and an unsavoury incident.
1. Some people are genuinely disgusted and need to tell the world.
2. The WUMs sense blood and pile on.
3. The player indicates he's struggling mentally with why may he reading online.
4. Supporters circle the wagons and chase down any and every detractor whilst waving the mental health flag.
5. All goes away.
Players should just attempt to get to act three asap, it goes away quickly after that.
It would be refreshing if the player was able to laugh at it and say I don't know what the hell I was thinking without resorting to step 3.
I dont think Forker will be too bothered by any pile on, he's long enough in the tooth to know to take bo heed of it. he'll feel daft enough and will just be saying Jesus that was stupid I was trying to get a reaction and went too far.
Forker is from Maghery which for anyone who doesn't know is basically Tyrone. Sometimes the oul instinct kicks in and the hallion behaviour comes out. For the most part it's drilled out of them but he obviously got a bit excited when he saw big Murphy.
Quote from: general_lee on February 18, 2025, 10:20:28 AMQuote from: Mario on February 18, 2025, 10:03:17 AMRed cards, sexual assault allegations, headbutts, star men leaving the team. It's been some start to the year as AI champions. Early signs that they could rival Tyrone 2022 as the worst defenders of an AI title in history.
Aye or they could be like Derry all fart no shite. At the end of the day they have AI medals in their back pockets while youse boys were sat w**king over Ronan Gallagher like he was the second coming of Christ
That was easier than you thought Mario eh 🤭
I now have visions of Ronan Gallagher covered in cum thinking wtf did I do
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on February 18, 2025, 10:31:09 AMQuote from: general_lee on February 18, 2025, 10:20:28 AMQuote from: Mario on February 18, 2025, 10:03:17 AMRed cards, sexual assault allegations, headbutts, star men leaving the team. It's been some start to the year as AI champions. Early signs that they could rival Tyrone 2022 as the worst defenders of an AI title in history.
Aye or they could be like Derry all fart no shite. At the end of the day they have AI medals in their back pockets while youse boys were sat w**king over Ronan Gallagher like he was the second coming of Christ
That was easier than you thought Mario eh 🤭
Ha caught a big one.
You do wonder would they have an AI medal in their pocket if it wasn't for the Armagh campaign to get RG out
Quote from: Mario on February 18, 2025, 10:03:17 AMRed cards, sexual assault allegations, headbutts, star men leaving the team. It's been some start to the year as AI champions. Early signs that they could rival Tyrone 2022 as the worst defenders of an AI title in history.
And yet they still easily beat Tyrone recently.
Quote from: Mario on February 18, 2025, 10:03:17 AMRed cards, sexual assault allegations, headbutts, star men leaving the team. It's been some start to the year as AI champions. Early signs that they could rival Tyrone 2022 as the worst defenders of an AI title in history.
Yeah was speaking to Geezer the other night, don't think we're going to bother fielding after the league as theres no point. :D
Quote from: general_lee on February 18, 2025, 10:20:28 AMQuote from: Mario on February 18, 2025, 10:03:17 AMRed cards, sexual assault allegations, headbutts, star men leaving the team. It's been some start to the year as AI champions. Early signs that they could rival Tyrone 2022 as the worst defenders of an AI title in history.
Aye or they could be like Derry all fart no shite. At the end of the day they have AI medals in their back pockets while youse boys were sat w**king over Ronan Gallagher like he was the second coming of Christ
Nevermind the rest of the post, this is another clasic GAAism, outstanding
Quote from: JoG2 on February 18, 2025, 10:59:27 AMQuote from: general_lee on February 18, 2025, 10:20:28 AMQuote from: Mario on February 18, 2025, 10:03:17 AMRed cards, sexual assault allegations, headbutts, star men leaving the team. It's been some start to the year as AI champions. Early signs that they could rival Tyrone 2022 as the worst defenders of an AI title in history.
Aye or they could be like Derry all fart no shite. At the end of the day they have AI medals in their back pockets while youse boys were sat w**king over Ronan Gallagher like he was the second coming of Christ
Nevermind the rest of the post, this is another clasic GAAism, outstanding
Whats wrong with that lol
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 18, 2025, 11:00:33 AMQuote from: JoG2 on February 18, 2025, 10:59:27 AMQuote from: general_lee on February 18, 2025, 10:20:28 AMQuote from: Mario on February 18, 2025, 10:03:17 AMRed cards, sexual assault allegations, headbutts, star men leaving the team. It's been some start to the year as AI champions. Early signs that they could rival Tyrone 2022 as the worst defenders of an AI title in history.
Aye or they could be like Derry all fart no shite. At the end of the day they have AI medals in their back pockets while youse boys were sat w**king over Ronan Gallagher like he was the second coming of Christ
Nevermind the rest of the post, this is another clasic GAAism, outstanding
Whats wrong with that lol
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on February 18, 2025, 10:32:14 AMI now have visions of Ronan Gallagher covered in cum thinking wtf did I do
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
There's a lot of people would like Rory Gallagher bukake in the Derry job.
I will get my coat.....
Quote from: Keyser soze on February 18, 2025, 11:03:37 AMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on February 18, 2025, 10:32:14 AMI now have visions of Ronan Gallagher covered in cum thinking wtf did I do
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
There's a lot of people would like Rory Gallagher bukake in the Derry job.
I will get my coat.....
You wiped the floor there 👏
Quote from: Keyser soze on February 18, 2025, 11:03:37 AMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on February 18, 2025, 10:32:14 AMI now have visions of Ronan Gallagher covered in cum thinking wtf did I do
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
There's a lot of people would like Rory Gallagher bukake in the Derry job.
I will get my coat.....
I'd be checking this one's hard drive 😋🤣
Quote from: general_lee on February 18, 2025, 10:23:24 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on February 18, 2025, 09:59:44 AMQuote from: APM on February 18, 2025, 08:33:26 AMQuote from: thewobbler on February 17, 2025, 10:58:35 PMQuote from: Norm-Peterson on February 17, 2025, 10:46:09 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 17, 2025, 05:47:46 PMIs some social media pile-on Forker. Not so much here but on Facebook getting wild touch from ones on bout his job etc etc nasty aul shite from keyboard warriors...
It was a split second stupid hit... Murphy wasn't even injured. I've met him a few times... sound lad as most of them are.
Teachers are often short tempered people so it is no surprise to me. My old PE teacher was a short tempered man who was also a former footballer. I recall him getting sent off on TV too.
The 5 stages of a social media cycle involving a GAA player and an unsavoury incident.
1. Some people are genuinely disgusted and need to tell the world.
2. The WUMs sense blood and pile on.
3. The player indicates he's struggling mentally with why may he reading online.
4. Supporters circle the wagons and chase down any and every detractor whilst waving the mental health flag.
5. All goes away.
Players should just attempt to get to act three asap, it goes away quickly after that.
It would be refreshing if the player was able to laugh at it and say I don't know what the hell I was thinking without resorting to step 3.
I dont think Forker will be too bothered by any pile on, he's long enough in the tooth to know to take bo heed of it. he'll feel daft enough and will just be saying Jesus that was stupid I was trying to get a reaction and went too far.
Forker is from Maghery which for anyone who doesn't know is basically Tyrone. Sometimes the oul instinct kicks in and the hallion behaviour comes out. For the most part it's drilled out of them but he obviously got a bit excited when he saw big Murphy.
went to school in tyrone as well. Clearly a bad influence from that
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 18, 2025, 12:15:34 PMQuote from: general_lee on February 18, 2025, 10:23:24 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on February 18, 2025, 09:59:44 AMQuote from: APM on February 18, 2025, 08:33:26 AMQuote from: thewobbler on February 17, 2025, 10:58:35 PMQuote from: Norm-Peterson on February 17, 2025, 10:46:09 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 17, 2025, 05:47:46 PMIs some social media pile-on Forker. Not so much here but on Facebook getting wild touch from ones on bout his job etc etc nasty aul shite from keyboard warriors...
It was a split second stupid hit... Murphy wasn't even injured. I've met him a few times... sound lad as most of them are.
Teachers are often short tempered people so it is no surprise to me. My old PE teacher was a short tempered man who was also a former footballer. I recall him getting sent off on TV too.
The 5 stages of a social media cycle involving a GAA player and an unsavoury incident.
1. Some people are genuinely disgusted and need to tell the world.
2. The WUMs sense blood and pile on.
3. The player indicates he's struggling mentally with why may he reading online.
4. Supporters circle the wagons and chase down any and every detractor whilst waving the mental health flag.
5. All goes away.
Players should just attempt to get to act three asap, it goes away quickly after that.
It would be refreshing if the player was able to laugh at it and say I don't know what the hell I was thinking without resorting to step 3.
I dont think Forker will be too bothered by any pile on, he's long enough in the tooth to know to take bo heed of it. he'll feel daft enough and will just be saying Jesus that was stupid I was trying to get a reaction and went too far.
Forker is from Maghery which for anyone who doesn't know is basically Tyrone. Sometimes the oul instinct kicks in and the hallion behaviour comes out. For the most part it's drilled out of them but he obviously got a bit excited when he saw big Murphy.
went to school in tyrone as well. Clearly a bad influence from that
Pat Spillane was right along, who'd have thought it?
Does anyone know the craic with TG4 player when abroad? I am away this weekend and I see Tyrone v Kerry is on TG4 player live and then deferred on tv at 5:30pm.
Is TG4 player just on their website but restricted to Ireland only I wonder? Or is it a youtube stream for all?
Quote from: general_lee on February 18, 2025, 10:20:28 AMQuote from: Mario on February 18, 2025, 10:03:17 AMRed cards, sexual assault allegations, headbutts, star men leaving the team. It's been some start to the year as AI champions. Early signs that they could rival Tyrone 2022 as the worst defenders of an AI title in history.
Aye or they could be like Derry all fart no shite. At the end of the day they have AI medals in their back pockets while youse boys were sat w**king over Ronan Gallagher like he was the second coming of Christ
I've never heard that expression before. ;D
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 17, 2025, 09:52:42 PMWhy it go all the time? The days of the wannabe hard man long gone. Go do boxing or ufc, they never last long. To me, players are either instructed to do it, or don't think they capable of marking their man.
But Forker did a brilliant job on Murphy in the qualifier in 22. Leaving aside Murphy's size and the fact that he can clearly look after himself, why would Forker even think he'd need to try to intimidate him to get an edge? He's a good defender.
And besides, it was a bloody league game in February!
It's the same as the goading after the dispossessing / hitting a wide etc etc. it is done plenty in the game and is obviously a) coached and b) to gain an edge. It mostly won't work but occasionally it will.
I hate seeing it tbh but it happens a lot.
Quote from: ClubScene13 on February 18, 2025, 05:36:35 PMDoes anyone know the craic with TG4 player when abroad? I am away this weekend and I see Tyrone v Kerry is on TG4 player live and then deferred on tv at 5:30pm.
Is TG4 player just on their website but restricted to Ireland only I wonder? Or is it a youtube stream for all?
Restricted - won't get it when abroad unless you have a VPN.
Quote from: StephenC on February 18, 2025, 08:00:37 PMQuote from: ClubScene13 on February 18, 2025, 05:36:35 PMDoes anyone know the craic with TG4 player when abroad? I am away this weekend and I see Tyrone v Kerry is on TG4 player live and then deferred on tv at 5:30pm.
Is TG4 player just on their website but restricted to Ireland only I wonder? Or is it a youtube stream for all?
Cheers bud
Restricted - won't get it when abroad unless you have a VPN.
Quote from: ClubScene13 on February 18, 2025, 08:27:19 PMQuote from: StephenC on February 18, 2025, 08:00:37 PMQuote from: ClubScene13 on February 18, 2025, 05:36:35 PMDoes anyone know the craic with TG4 player when abroad? I am away this weekend and I see Tyrone v Kerry is on TG4 player live and then deferred on tv at 5:30pm.
Is TG4 player just on their website but restricted to Ireland only I wonder? Or is it a youtube stream for all?
Cheers bud
Restricted - won't get it when abroad unless you have a VPN.
If a game is on TG4 then it is likely on GaaGo.
But you wouldn't know, in my view no game should be restricted unless it is on GAAGo so people can see it wherever they are.
Quote from: armaghniac on February 18, 2025, 08:47:59 PMQuote from: ClubScene13 on February 18, 2025, 08:27:19 PMQuote from: StephenC on February 18, 2025, 08:00:37 PMQuote from: ClubScene13 on February 18, 2025, 05:36:35 PMDoes anyone know the craic with TG4 player when abroad? I am away this weekend and I see Tyrone v Kerry is on TG4 player live and then deferred on tv at 5:30pm.
Is TG4 player just on their website but restricted to Ireland only I wonder? Or is it a youtube stream for all?
Cheers bud
Restricted - won't get it when abroad unless you have a VPN.
If a game is on TG4 then it is likely on GaaGo.
But you wouldn't know, in my view no game should be restricted unless it is on GAAGo so people can see it wherever they are.
Can be issues with GAA go abroad when trying to watch games on RTE and TG4 as it can still be picking you up in Ireland.
Had issues with the App myself last year abroad.
Bring a laptop and use desktop browser if this happens.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 18, 2025, 10:03:33 PMQuote from: armaghniac on February 18, 2025, 08:47:59 PMQuote from: ClubScene13 on February 18, 2025, 08:27:19 PMQuote from: StephenC on February 18, 2025, 08:00:37 PMQuote from: ClubScene13 on February 18, 2025, 05:36:35 PMDoes anyone know the craic with TG4 player when abroad? I am away this weekend and I see Tyrone v Kerry is on TG4 player live and then deferred on tv at 5:30pm.
Is TG4 player just on their website but restricted to Ireland only I wonder? Or is it a youtube stream for all?
Cheers bud
Restricted - won't get it when abroad unless you have a VPN.
If a game is on TG4 then it is likely on GaaGo.
But you wouldn't know, in my view no game should be restricted unless it is on GAAGo so people can see it wherever they are.
Can be issues with GAA go abroad when trying to watch games on RTE and TG4 as it can still be picking you up in Ireland.
Had issues with the App myself last year abroad.
Bring a laptop and use desktop browser if this happens.
Games shown on GAAGo in Ireland can't be watched on GAAGo abroad which is bullshit if you ask me - when you've bought the game/package, you should be able to watch it from wherever you are.
Quote from: ClubScene13 on February 18, 2025, 05:36:35 PMDoes anyone know the craic with TG4 player when abroad? I am away this weekend and I see Tyrone v Kerry is on TG4 player live and then deferred on tv at 5:30pm.
Is TG4 player just on their website but restricted to Ireland only I wonder? Or is it a youtube stream for all?
What device you planning on watching it on?
If phone it might well be okay and similarly, if you hotspot the phone as your internet data source for another device it has worked for me previously. It seems to be that even though you're on a foreign mobile provider, the TV players still consider you a being in Ireland.
If using local wi-fi though, it locks you out and you need a VPN - that's been my experience anyway.
Quote from: Tubberman on February 18, 2025, 10:30:20 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 18, 2025, 10:03:33 PMQuote from: armaghniac on February 18, 2025, 08:47:59 PMQuote from: ClubScene13 on February 18, 2025, 08:27:19 PMQuote from: StephenC on February 18, 2025, 08:00:37 PMQuote from: ClubScene13 on February 18, 2025, 05:36:35 PMDoes anyone know the craic with TG4 player when abroad? I am away this weekend and I see Tyrone v Kerry is on TG4 player live and then deferred on tv at 5:30pm.
Is TG4 player just on their website but restricted to Ireland only I wonder? Or is it a youtube stream for all?
Cheers bud
Restricted - won't get it when abroad unless you have a VPN.
If a game is on TG4 then it is likely on GaaGo.
But you wouldn't know, in my view no game should be restricted unless it is on GAAGo so people can see it wherever they are.
Can be issues with GAA go abroad when trying to watch games on RTE and TG4 as it can still be picking you up in Ireland.
Had issues with the App myself last year abroad.
Bring a laptop and use desktop browser if this happens.
Games shown on GAAGo in Ireland can't be watched on GAAGo abroad which is bullshit if you ask me - when you've bought the game/package, you should be able to watch it from wherever you are.
That's not how trade markets work.
For what it's worth, GAA Go in the states has Tyrone v Kerry listed on the app for 8:25am EST on Sunday. I'm assuming it throws in at 1:45 or 2 pm Irish time?
Quote from: J70 on February 19, 2025, 08:02:16 AMFor what it's worth, GAA Go in the states has Tyrone v Kerry listed on the app for 8:25am EST on Sunday. I'm assuming it throws in at 1:45 or 2 pm Irish time?
1.45pm 👍
Quote from: Tubberman on February 18, 2025, 10:30:20 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 18, 2025, 10:03:33 PMQuote from: armaghniac on February 18, 2025, 08:47:59 PMQuote from: ClubScene13 on February 18, 2025, 08:27:19 PMQuote from: StephenC on February 18, 2025, 08:00:37 PMQuote from: ClubScene13 on February 18, 2025, 05:36:35 PMDoes anyone know the craic with TG4 player when abroad? I am away this weekend and I see Tyrone v Kerry is on TG4 player live and then deferred on tv at 5:30pm.
Is TG4 player just on their website but restricted to Ireland only I wonder? Or is it a youtube stream for all?
Cheers bud
Restricted - won't get it when abroad unless you have a VPN.
If a game is on TG4 then it is likely on GaaGo.
But you wouldn't know, in my view no game should be restricted unless it is on GAAGo so people can see it wherever they are.
Can be issues with GAA go abroad when trying to watch games on RTE and TG4 as it can still be picking you up in Ireland.
Had issues with the App myself last year abroad.
Bring a laptop and use desktop browser if this happens.
Games shown on GAAGo in Ireland can't be watched on GAAGo abroad which is bullshit if you ask me - when you've bought the game/package, you should be able to watch it from wherever you are.
Are you sure? Certainly some games shown on GAAGo abroad cannot be watched in Ireland because they have sold them to RTÉ or TG4 here, that is why the subscription in Ireland is less. I'm not sure why there would be a problem in the opposite direction and I don't think there is.
Quote from: ClubScene13 on February 18, 2025, 05:36:35 PMDoes anyone know the craic with TG4 player when abroad? I am away this weekend and I see Tyrone v Kerry is on TG4 player live and then deferred on tv at 5:30pm.
Is TG4 player just on their website but restricted to Ireland only I wonder? Or is it a youtube stream for all?
Get Nord VPN, you can watch any station abroad.
Quote from: armaghniac on February 19, 2025, 09:48:26 AMQuote from: Tubberman on February 18, 2025, 10:30:20 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 18, 2025, 10:03:33 PMQuote from: armaghniac on February 18, 2025, 08:47:59 PMQuote from: ClubScene13 on February 18, 2025, 08:27:19 PMQuote from: StephenC on February 18, 2025, 08:00:37 PMQuote from: ClubScene13 on February 18, 2025, 05:36:35 PMDoes anyone know the craic with TG4 player when abroad? I am away this weekend and I see Tyrone v Kerry is on TG4 player live and then deferred on tv at 5:30pm.
Is TG4 player just on their website but restricted to Ireland only I wonder? Or is it a youtube stream for all?
Cheers bud
Restricted - won't get it when abroad unless you have a VPN.
If a game is on TG4 then it is likely on GaaGo.
But you wouldn't know, in my view no game should be restricted unless it is on GAAGo so people can see it wherever they are.
Can be issues with GAA go abroad when trying to watch games on RTE and TG4 as it can still be picking you up in Ireland.
Had issues with the App myself last year abroad.
Bring a laptop and use desktop browser if this happens.
Games shown on GAAGo in Ireland can't be watched on GAAGo abroad which is bullshit if you ask me - when you've bought the game/package, you should be able to watch it from wherever you are.
Are you sure? Certainly some games shown on GAAGo abroad cannot be watched in Ireland because they have sold them to RTÉ or TG4 here, that is why the subscription in Ireland is less. I'm not sure why there would be a problem in the opposite direction and I don't think there is.
Yep, happened me last year in Spain.
It was a game that GAAGO had exclusive rights to in Ireland i think.
Bring your firestick and you can watch it in Timbuktu
Quote from: Mario on February 19, 2025, 11:01:43 AMBring your firestick and you can watch it in Timbuktu
Lesson learned, don't worry!
Only realised with NORD VPN you have to go into the app and select Ireland as your location to get TG4/RTE player to work abroad. I assume this is common knowledge and I'm showing my age & technical abilities ;D but it was news to me in January past in the Canaries!
Galway against Donegal should be a humdinger. 2 top teams.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 16, 2025, 03:13:36 PMIs it me or has McElholm been disappointing here.
Thought there was big hype around this guy?
Not his best game but he's also young. Took Canavan a few years to get to where he is now
Quote from: seafoid on February 20, 2025, 01:36:34 PMGalway against Donegal should be a humdinger. 2 top teams.
As previously mentioned I think the exact opposite, both teams pretty much safe and won't want to be showing their full hands.
Someone is going to win the league by accident or the result of others' apathy.
Quote from: bennydorano on February 20, 2025, 03:10:50 PMQuote from: seafoid on February 20, 2025, 01:36:34 PMGalway against Donegal should be a humdinger. 2 top teams.
As previously mentioned I think the exact opposite, both teams pretty much safe and won't want to be showing their full hands.
Someone is going to win the league by accident or the result of others' apathy.
Hard to know what way it'll go, even if they both rest a couple the lads coming in will have a point to probe and be putting their hands up for a permanent place.
Quote from: bennydorano on February 20, 2025, 03:10:50 PMQuote from: seafoid on February 20, 2025, 01:36:34 PMGalway against Donegal should be a humdinger. 2 top teams.
As previously mentioned I think the exact opposite, both teams pretty much safe and won't want to be showing their full hands.
Someone is going to win the league by accident or the result of others' apathy.
Going by the odds Galway v Donegal could be dress rehearsal for the league final at the end of next month. Not sure how much Donegal wants a league final when a week after it they play Derry in the Ulster championship and Galway will be flying out to New York a few days after a possible league final.
League should have started a week earlier this year with no pre-season competitions as that would have allowed a two week gap between league finals and the start of the championship.
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 20, 2025, 04:04:00 PMQuote from: bennydorano on February 20, 2025, 03:10:50 PMQuote from: seafoid on February 20, 2025, 01:36:34 PMGalway against Donegal should be a humdinger. 2 top teams.
As previously mentioned I think the exact opposite, both teams pretty much safe and won't want to be showing their full hands.
Someone is going to win the league by accident or the result of others' apathy.
Going by the odds Galway v Donegal could be dress rehearsal for the league final at the end of next month. Not sure how much Donegal wants a league final when a week after it they play Derry in the Ulster championship and Galway will be flying out to New York a few days after a possible league final.
League should have started a week earlier this year with no pre-season competitions as that would have allowed a two week gap between league finals and the start of the championship.
How do you avoid a league final if you're going well? Send out a complete b team, or do you heaven forbid throw games.?
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 20, 2025, 04:04:00 PMQuote from: bennydorano on February 20, 2025, 03:10:50 PMQuote from: seafoid on February 20, 2025, 01:36:34 PMGalway against Donegal should be a humdinger. 2 top teams.
As previously mentioned I think the exact opposite, both teams pretty much safe and won't want to be showing their full hands.
Someone is going to win the league by accident or the result of others' apathy.
Going by the odds Galway v Donegal could be dress rehearsal for the league final at the end of next month. Not sure how much Donegal wants a league final when a week after it they play Derry in the Ulster championship and Galway will be flying out to New York a few days after a possible league final.
League should have started a week earlier this year with no pre-season competitions as that would have allowed a two week gap between league finals and the start of the championship.
Perfect for Galway, win the league and celebrate in New York. It will definitely be interesting to see how McGuinness approaches it.
Quote from: JoG2 on February 20, 2025, 04:09:15 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on February 20, 2025, 04:04:00 PMQuote from: bennydorano on February 20, 2025, 03:10:50 PMQuote from: seafoid on February 20, 2025, 01:36:34 PMGalway against Donegal should be a humdinger. 2 top teams.
As previously mentioned I think the exact opposite, both teams pretty much safe and won't want to be showing their full hands.
Someone is going to win the league by accident or the result of others' apathy.
Going by the odds Galway v Donegal could be dress rehearsal for the league final at the end of next month. Not sure how much Donegal wants a league final when a week after it they play Derry in the Ulster championship and Galway will be flying out to New York a few days after a possible league final.
League should have started a week earlier this year with no pre-season competitions as that would have allowed a two week gap between league finals and the start of the championship.
How do you avoid a league final if you're going well? Send out a complete b team, or do you heaven forbid throw games.?
Dublin can leapfrog Galway or draw level with Donegal at the weekend. Long way to go until a league final.
Armagh a few men back in contention this weekend which which help offset Forker suspension, Paddy Burns back into start, McGrane and Higgins on bench and Grugan returning to the attack. Game they should be targeting to win at home and mayo been underwhelming to date.
Quote from: statto on February 21, 2025, 07:11:01 AMArmagh a few men back in contention this weekend which which help offset former suspension burns back into start mcgrane and Higgins on bench and grugan returning to the attack.Game they should be targeting to win at home and mayo been underwhelming to date.
Yeah would be reasonably confident of winning this one at home and would start to look a bit worrying if we didn't in terms of relegation. Great to get a few lads back and hopefully more to come in the next few weeks.
Met office already have a high wind weather warning out for Sunday so we're going to see another game of two halves in Omagh. Horrendous amounts of rain and flooding today and more to come over the weekend. Any chance of a decent spectacle looking slim at the minute.
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 21, 2025, 12:31:15 PMMet office already have a high wind weather warning out for Sunday so we're going to see another game of two halves in Omagh. Horrendous amounts of rain and flooding today and more to come over the weekend. Any chance of a decent spectacle looking slim at the minute.
McKernan suspended for Tyrone?
He got 2 yellows so assume he's free to play.
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 21, 2025, 03:04:36 PMHe got 2 yellows so assume he's free to play.
Probably should have had 4 yellows in that game
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Status Yellow - Wind and Rain warning for Clare, Cork, Kerry, Limerick, Waterford, Donegal, Galway, Leitrim, Mayo, Sligo, Wexford, Wicklow,Antrim, Armagh, Down, Fermanagh, Tyrone, Derry
Met Éireann Weather Warning
Very strong and gusty southerly winds together with spells of heavy rain.
Possible Impacts:
• Difficult travel conditions
• Localised flooding
• Fallen trees & loose debris
• Poor visibility
Valid: 02:00 Sunday 23/02/2025 to 15:00 Sunday 23/02/2025
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Status Yellow - Wind and Rain warning for Clare, Cork, Kerry, Limerick, Waterford, Donegal, Galway, Leitrim, Mayo, Sligo, Wexford, Wicklow,Antrim, Armagh, Down, Fermanagh, Tyrone, Derry
Met Éireann Weather Warning
Very strong and gusty southerly winds together with spells of heavy rain.
Possible Impacts:
• Difficult travel conditions
• Localised flooding
• Fallen trees & loose debris
• Poor visibility
Valid: 02:00 Sunday 23/02/2025 to 15:00 Sunday 23/02/2025
Would imagine some of the Sunday matches are at risk then.
Stops at 3pm so move games a hour later? ;)
Have 2 spare tickets for the Dublin Derry game tomorrow if anyone wants them? Lower Hogan on half way line.
Mayo getting closer to full strength with only arguably Paddy Durcan,Tommy Conroy,Diarmuid O'Connor and Jack Carney missing from their strongest 15.
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Quote from: Blowitupref on February 21, 2025, 06:56:25 PMMayo getting closer to full strength with only arguably Paddy Durcan,Tommy Conroy,Diarmuid O'Connor and Jack Carney missing from their strongest 15.
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Baxtards. Us still missing a pile of men, hopefully they go easy.
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 21, 2025, 07:14:02 PMBaxtards. Us still missing a pile of men, hopefully they go easy.
Armagh starting 15 from last years All Ireland final and for this game v Mayo.
Blaine Hughes; - named on the bench
Paddy Burns, - named to start
Aaron McKay, - not available
Barry McCambridge- named to start
Connaire Mackin, - named to start
Tiernan Kelly - not available
Aidan Forker - suspended
Niall Grimley - named to start
Ben Crealey - named to start
Joe McElroy - not available
Rian O'Neill - not available
Oisín Conaty - named to start
Rory Gurgan - named to start
Andrew Murnin - named to start
Conor Turbitt - named to start
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 21, 2025, 07:29:13 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on February 21, 2025, 07:14:02 PMBaxtards. Us still missing a pile of men, hopefully they go easy.
Armagh starting 15 from last years All Ireland final and for this game v Mayo.
Blaine Hughes; - named on the bench
Paddy Burns, - named to start
Aaron McKay, - not available
Barry McCambridge- named to start
Connaire Mackin, - named to start
Tiernan Kelly - not available
Aidan Forker - suspended
Niall Grimley - named to start
Ben Crealey - named to start
Joe McElroy - not available
Rian O'Neill - not available
Oisín Conaty - named to start
Rory Gurgan - named to start
Andrew Murnin - named to start
Conor Turbitt - named to start
:D
Still a good bit from full strength but thats what squads are for.
Tyrone v Kerry game moved to Pomeroy. Its a Smaller pitch, tight old fashioned venue, on top of a mountain and there's a gale forecast. It's not going to be pretty.
Kerry lads will feel at home so.
Capacity?
Roughly 8-10k. Covered stand and terraced the whole way round.
Quote from: Gaafan2 on February 22, 2025, 11:39:15 AMRoughly 8-10k. Covered stand and terraced the whole way round.
Fine place!
Quote from: Rossfan on February 22, 2025, 01:13:04 PMQuote from: Gaafan2 on February 22, 2025, 11:39:15 AMRoughly 8-10k. Covered stand and terraced the whole way round.
Fine place!
You never been? Very open, always blowing a gale, freezing cold...
One change in each team as Jason Duffy comes in from Greg McCabe for Armagh, and Aidan O'Shea is replaced by Paul Tower for Mayo
Already a better and more open game than Mayo v Tyrone last weekend. Armagh 0-3 to 0-2 ahead after 12 minutes.
Why was Mayo's solo and go overturned there now?
Quote from: Nanderson on February 22, 2025, 05:22:52 PMWhy was Mayo's solo and go overturned there now?
He didn't take it immediately.Mayo look very one paced.
Quote from: statto on February 22, 2025, 05:23:48 PMQuote from: Nanderson on February 22, 2025, 05:22:52 PMWhy was Mayo's solo and go overturned there now?
He didn't take it immediately.Mayo look very one paced.
Q. What happens if I delay taking a solo & go?
A. If the solo & go is not taken 'immediately' the referee will cancel the solo & go and free kick will have to be taken from the position of the foul from either the hands or from the ground.
Am i right in saying he gave the free to Armagh instead of Mayo retaking the free?
Mayo close to goal with effort coming off the post. Armagh 1-7 to 0-3 ahead after 25 minutes.
Quote from: Nanderson on February 22, 2025, 05:25:55 PMQuote from: statto on February 22, 2025, 05:23:48 PMQuote from: Nanderson on February 22, 2025, 05:22:52 PMWhy was Mayo's solo and go overturned there now?
He didn't take it immediately.Mayo look very one paced.
Q. What happens if I delay taking a solo & go?
A. If the solo & go is not taken 'immediately' the referee will cancel the solo & go and free kick will have to be taken from the position of the foul from either the hands or from the ground.
Am i right in saying he gave the free to Armagh instead of Mayo retaking the free?
Yes he seems to have made a mistake.
Quote from: Nanderson on February 22, 2025, 05:25:55 PMQuote from: statto on February 22, 2025, 05:23:48 PMQuote from: Nanderson on February 22, 2025, 05:22:52 PMWhy was Mayo's solo and go overturned there now?
He didn't take it immediately.Mayo look very one paced.
Q. What happens if I delay taking a solo & go?
A. If the solo & go is not taken 'immediately' the referee will cancel the solo & go and free kick will have to be taken from the position of the foul from either the hands or from the ground.
Am i right in saying he gave the free to Armagh instead of Mayo retaking the free?
Clear as mud lol
The Mayo goal chance, both umpires were way behind the net instead of one looking along side the line
Some score to finish the half :o :o So far so good from Armagh and now a case of keeping it going into the 2nd half now.
Armagh have went to shit in MF since Ben Crealey was (worryingly) whipped off after landing awkwardly presumably. Dunno how Mayo are so far behind to be honest and I'd be betting on Mayo to win this atm.
Half time Armagh 1-10 Mayo 0-5.
Quote from: bennydorano on February 22, 2025, 05:38:46 PMArmagh have went to shit in MF since Ben Crealey was (worryingly) whipped off after landing awkwardly presumably. Dunno how Mayo are so far behind to be honest and I'd be betting on Mayo to win this atm.
If Armagh lose this I'd be surprised. I get what you're saying about Mayo not playing too bad but that's a fair scoreline
Game very much in the balance after that Mayo goal. Armagh 1-14 Mayo 1-11 49 minutes played
Wile soft fullback from Armagh
Bring Nugent on
59 minutes played level game 1-15 each. Aidan O'Shea puts Mayo in front on the 60th minute mark.
Poor shot selection from Armagh
Grimley indiscipline has fecked up Armagh
Quote from: dec on February 22, 2025, 06:31:06 PMPoor shot selection from Armagh
For a lot of this 2nd half. Mayo now lead by two points with just 6 minutes to play.
68 minutes played 1-16 to 1-17. Level again 1-17 each.
Year of the big comebacks
Draw - FT
Enjoyable game but some poor misses from both teams.
FT Armagh 1-17 Mayo 1-17.
Poor by Armagh 2nd half.. Point gained or point dropped? Won't know until the end of this league campaign.
Crealey going off was a big loss for Armagh.Credit to Mayo for the second half comeback Armagh did well to get a point in end up when they were second best.
Armagh need the 3x ONeills, Kelly, McKay back pronto.
11 pt turnaround at one stage.
Is rafferty worth the risk? His kickouts are poor at best.
Very happy to get out with a draw, thought Armagh were 2nd best most of the night and the HT score was a bit false. Mayo just looked like they'd more fight & intensity about them all evening. Armagh really treating it like it's just the league.
ROD skinned McCambridge. Ross McQuillan excellent for Armagh. Blaine Hughes has to get a run out.
Hopefully Ben Crealey is OK, a season without him & we wouldn't count.
Away down south with the Mrs, will I get the Derry game on iplayer or will it be blocked?
Quote from: bennydorano on February 22, 2025, 06:47:44 PMVery happy to get out with a draw, thought Armagh were 2nd best most of the night and the HT score was a bit false. Mayo just looked like they'd more fight & intensity about them all evening. Armagh really treating it like it's just the league.
ROD skinned McCambridge. Ross McQuillan excellent for Armagh. Blaine Hughes has to get a run out.
Hopefully Ben Crealey is OK, a season without him & we wouldn't count.
Really? I thought Armagh were comfortably the better side save for the black card period.
I'd prefer to see Hughes back in though. I still get the impression that Armagh seem to think rules will change and are trying to develop a system for later in the year. Conceded an awful lot of goal kicks when one considers the obvious advantage this year of not doing so.
Quote from: Nanderson on February 22, 2025, 05:25:55 PMQuote from: statto on February 22, 2025, 05:23:48 PMQuote from: Nanderson on February 22, 2025, 05:22:52 PMWhy was Mayo's solo and go overturned there now?
He didn't take it immediately.Mayo look very one paced.
Q. What happens if I delay taking a solo & go?
A. If the solo & go is not taken 'immediately' the referee will cancel the solo & go and free kick will have to be taken from the position of the foul from either the hands or from the ground.
Am i right in saying he gave the free to Armagh instead of Mayo retaking the free?
I was a long way away but did he not make a move away from goal with it?
Very lucky to get away with the draw. Crealey was a massive miss when he went off. How did Mattie Ruane get away with a yellow for a swinging elbow?
Quote from: David McKeown on February 22, 2025, 07:09:26 PMQuote from: bennydorano on February 22, 2025, 06:47:44 PMVery happy to get out with a draw, thought Armagh were 2nd best most of the night and the HT score was a bit false. Mayo just looked like they'd more fight & intensity about them all evening. Armagh really treating it like it's just the league.
ROD skinned McCambridge. Ross McQuillan excellent for Armagh. Blaine Hughes has to get a run out.
Hopefully Ben Crealey is OK, a season without him & we wouldn't count.
Really? I thought Armagh were comfortably the better side save for the black card period.
I'd prefer to see Hughes back in though. I still get the impression that Armagh seem to think rules will change and are trying to develop a system for later in the year. Conceded an awful lot of goal kicks when one considers the obvious advantage this year of not doing so.
bennydorano must have watched a different 1st half than the rest of us.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 22, 2025, 07:25:52 PMQuote from: David McKeown on February 22, 2025, 07:09:26 PMQuote from: bennydorano on February 22, 2025, 06:47:44 PMVery happy to get out with a draw, thought Armagh were 2nd best most of the night and the HT score was a bit false. Mayo just looked like they'd more fight & intensity about them all evening. Armagh really treating it like it's just the league.
ROD skinned McCambridge. Ross McQuillan excellent for Armagh. Blaine Hughes has to get a run out.
Hopefully Ben Crealey is OK, a season without him & we wouldn't count.
Really? I thought Armagh were comfortably the better side save for the black card period.
I'd prefer to see Hughes back in though. I still get the impression that Armagh seem to think rules will change and are trying to develop a system for later in the year. Conceded an awful lot of goal kicks when one considers the obvious advantage this year of not doing so.
bennydorano must have watched a different 1st half than the rest of us.
Quote from: David McKeown on February 22, 2025, 07:09:26 PMQuote from: bennydorano on February 22, 2025, 06:47:44 PMVery happy to get out with a draw, thought Armagh were 2nd best most of the night and the HT score was a bit false. Mayo just looked like they'd more fight & intensity about them all evening. Armagh really treating it like it's just the league.
ROD skinned McCambridge. Ross McQuillan excellent for Armagh. Blaine Hughes has to get a run out.
Hopefully Ben Crealey is OK, a season without him & we wouldn't count.
Really? I thought Armagh were comfortably the better side save for the black card period.
I'd prefer to see Hughes back in though. I still get the impression that Armagh seem to think rules will change and are trying to develop a system for later in the year. Conceded an awful lot of goal kicks when one considers the obvious advantage this year of not doing so.
Hughes would be better option to try and chip a few short kickouts out rather than lump everyone down the middle. Hughes is also well capable on ball out the field. I would keep Rafferty in reserve for when they are chasing a game.
Derry may as well have no one in goals 🤣
He watched that sail past him without even raising a hand 🤣
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 22, 2025, 07:55:20 PMDerry may as well have no one in goals 🤣
He watched that sail past him without even raising a hand 🤣
How much longer will Tally persist with this experiment, 7 goals in 2 and a half games :-[
Impressive from Dublin, very poor from Derry. Surprised as I fancied them
Derry look very poorly prepared and coached. Which rule will Tally blame this week?
Quote from: Truthsayer on February 22, 2025, 08:09:07 PMDerry look very poorly prepared and coached. Which rule will Tally blame this week?
Rules working in his favour tonight, would only have 3 points if it wasn't for the new rules
Half time Dublin 1-10 Derry 0-6.
Philly McMahon killed the game stone dead by saying it was going to be the best game since the new rules came in after about 10 mins
Derry have barely scored since :D
Good battling display from Mayo tonight and had Armagh on the ropes 2nd half without landing the knock out blow late on. I think it's 14 year since Mayo have lost to Armagh now. Kerry in MacHale park next weekend makes for interesting match now.
Derry going backwards
Quote from: bennydorano on February 22, 2025, 08:52:17 PMDerry going backwards
The opposite of last years league campaign. Dublin 3-16 Derry 1-10 with a few minutes to play.
Result Dublin 3-20 Derry 2-12
Is this Derrys level though?
Have they the players to be much better?
You might say yes... But that was 2 years ago different rules and exceptional manager.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 22, 2025, 09:02:56 PMIs this Derrys level though?
Have they the players to be much better?
You might say yes... But that was 2 years ago different rules and exceptional manager.
I've been saying it, hopes pinned on these recent all Ireland minor wins but those fellas gave been conditioned for a particular style of play wince they were 15/16 in development squads and that's all been turned on it's head.
The clock was on 70 for about 5 minutes there
Derry need to develop a kicking game. Their style of play will have a team gassed after 20 mins. That said they could have had 4 goals themselves. However Dublin are starting to look ominous. Con came back and was scoring effortsly. He's another 2 point option for them. Sean Bugler looked in a lot of stress however. He was having some game. The Hill needs an education on the new rules. Maybe an announcer on the tannoy could help in those situations.
It would have been less annoying if the commentators had of known the 3 v 3 rule there at the end
According to the programme, Paddy Burns played left back for both the Armagh senior men and Armagh senior ladies team this evening.
Don't tell Donald Trump!
Plus, the photo of the Armagh team was taken the evening that the lights in the stand weren't working. And I paid good money for that programme 😐
Quote from: weareros on February 22, 2025, 09:15:04 PMDerry need to develop a kicking game. Their style of play will have a team gassed after 20 mins. That said they could have had 4 goals themselves. However Dublin are starting to look ominous. Con came back and was scoring effortsly. He's another 2 point option for them. Sean Bugler looked in a lot of stress however. He was having some game. The Hill needs an education on the new rules. Maybe an announcer on the tannoy could help in those situations.
Donegal play a running game and they're not gassed after 20 mins?
Both teams do need more kicking though
Quote from: weareros on February 22, 2025, 09:15:04 PMDerry need to develop a kicking game. Their style of play will have a team gassed after 20 mins. That said they could have had 4 goals themselves. However Dublin are starting to look ominous. Con came back and was scoring effortsly. He's another 2 point option for them. Sean Bugler looked in a lot of stress however. He was having some game. The Hill needs an education on the new rules. Maybe an announcer on the tannoy could help in those situations.
Derry kicked the ball twice as much as Dublin, who were playing basketball around the arc. Kicking it away was our second biggest issue after our goalkeeper
Quote from: Orior on February 22, 2025, 09:18:33 PMAccording to the programme, Paddy Burns played left back for both the Armagh senior men and Armagh senior ladies team this evening.
Don't tell Donald Trump!
Don't tell him there is no such position as "left back" on a GAA team either.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 22, 2025, 09:02:56 PMIs this Derrys level though?
Have they the players to be much better?
You might say yes... But that was 2 years ago different rules and exceptional manager.
Gallagher was an exceptional manager but all the top teams have top managers, that's a min requirement. We've had 6 all stars and a young player of the year in 22 and 23, don't agree with your narrative that we've no talent and it was all Gallagher.
Quote from: Mario on February 22, 2025, 09:27:46 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 22, 2025, 09:02:56 PMIs this Derrys level though?
Have they the players to be much better?
You might say yes... But that was 2 years ago different rules and exceptional manager.
Gallagher was an exceptional manager but all the top teams have top managers, that's a min requirement. We've had 6 all stars and a young player of the year in 22 and 23, don't agree with your narrative that we've no talent and it was all Gallagher.
I'm not so sure whether I agree with you that all the top teams have top managers.
I haven't seen a manager improve a team so much as Gallagher other than McGuinness and despite what way media portrayed his style of play they were exiting to watch.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 22, 2025, 09:19:41 PMQuote from: weareros on February 22, 2025, 09:15:04 PMDerry need to develop a kicking game. Their style of play will have a team gassed after 20 mins. That said they could have had 4 goals themselves. However Dublin are starting to look ominous. Con came back and was scoring effortsly. He's another 2 point option for them. Sean Bugler looked in a lot of stress however. He was having some game. The Hill needs an education on the new rules. Maybe an announcer on the tannoy could help in those situations.
Donegal play a running game and they're not gassed after 20 mins?
Both teams do need more kicking though
It's fine in Ballybofey or a slow rural pitch this time of year while grounds are heavy but in fast open spaces of Croke Park you'll want to be extremely fit to play that type of game in the summer, assuming these new rules still apply.
Quote from: weareros on February 22, 2025, 09:56:36 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 22, 2025, 09:19:41 PMQuote from: weareros on February 22, 2025, 09:15:04 PMDerry need to develop a kicking game. Their style of play will have a team gassed after 20 mins. That said they could have had 4 goals themselves. However Dublin are starting to look ominous. Con came back and was scoring effortsly. He's another 2 point option for them. Sean Bugler looked in a lot of stress however. He was having some game. The Hill needs an education on the new rules. Maybe an announcer on the tannoy could help in those situations.
Donegal play a running game and they're not gassed after 20 mins?
Both teams do need more kicking though
It's fine in Ballybofey or a slow rural pitch this time of year while grounds are heavy but in fast open spaces of Croke Park you'll want to be extremely fit to play that type of game in the summer, assuming these new rules still apply.
You could be right.
Donegal have the long range kickers to take advantage of the two pointers in the summer as do yourselves.
Can see them kicking the odd one into murphy too.
Finding the Rory Gallagher love in very interesting.
Look at the facts.
Derry did very well in his tenure during covid times but struggled a lot before hand even given the time he had to work with the squad.
Which is no surprise really as they were in full flight when the rest of the country was in lock down.
He is undoubtedly a good coach and a good manager but the pedestal some Derry people have put him on is quite puzzling. There's any number of people who could do as good a job if let do their work.
His regime is McGuinness like and leaves a large degree of carnage in its wake.
He has caused havoc in the background following his necessary removal.
Looking at Donegal in 2024 and 2025 given the players Gallagher had at his disposal in his time there you could reasonably argue he really underachieved in his term there. They had a serious squad of players in his tenure. We won't even discuss the carnage that Aidan O'Rourke and Paddy Bradley oversaw.
Long story short, decent coach/manager but not the messiah portrayed and the longer his shadow looms in the background the worse it is for Derry gaa. In a way I've zero sympathy for Tally. He's another one of these careeer managers/coaches. In another way I do as it's a serious mess.
Quote from: Bring back club football on February 22, 2025, 10:52:06 PMFinding the Rory Gallagher love in very interesting.
Look at the facts.
Derry did very well in his tenure during covid times but struggled a lot before hand even given the time he had to work with the squad.
Which is no surprise really as they were in full flight when the rest of the country was in lock down.
He is undoubtedly a good coach and a good manager but the pedestal some Derry people have put him on is quite puzzling. There's any number of people who could do as good a job of let do their work.
His regime is McGuinness like and leaves a large degree of carnage in its wake.
He has caused havoc in the background following his necessary removal.
Looking at Donegal in 2024 and 2025 given the players Gallagher had at his disposal in his time there you could reasonably argue he really underachieved in his term there. They had a serious squad of players in his tenure. We won't even discuss the carnage that Aidan O'Rourke and Paddy Bradley oversaw.
Long story short, decent coach/manager but not the messiah portrayed and the longer his shadow looms in the background the worse it is for Derry gaa. In a way I've zero sympathy for Tally. He's another one of these careeer managers/coaches. In another way I do as it's a serious mess.
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I think Derry haven't worked out how to play the new rules.
People saying they looked gassed after 2 mins, I think we look more like a team who doesn't know how to play this new game. That comes down to management.
Felt sorry of Mcnicholl in the end, not his fault but he's not a keeper and he's not good enough to compete out the field. Lynchy all day for me. Is scullion off the panel altogether? He did well least season when playing.
Only positives out of tonight was to see Paudie and Nial back on the field. Both still looked rusty but they need the match practice. Marty Bradley did himself no harm either.
Quote from: Bring back club football on February 22, 2025, 10:52:06 PMFinding the Rory Gallagher love in very interesting.
Look at the facts.
Derry did very well in his tenure during covid times but struggled a lot before hand even given the time he had to work with the squad.
Which is no surprise really as they were in full flight when the rest of the country was in lock down.
He is undoubtedly a good coach and a good manager but the pedestal some Derry people have put him on is quite puzzling. There's any number of people who could do as good a job if let do their work.
His regime is McGuinness like and leaves a large degree of carnage in its wake.
He has caused havoc in the background following his necessary removal.
Looking at Donegal in 2024 and 2025 given the players Gallagher had at his disposal in his time there you could reasonably argue he really underachieved in his term there. They had a serious squad of players in his tenure. We won't even discuss the carnage that Aidan O'Rourke and Paddy Bradley oversaw.
Long story short, decent coach/manager but not the messiah portrayed and the longer his shadow looms in the background the worse it is for Derry gaa. In a way I've zero sympathy for Tally. He's another one of these careeer managers/coaches. In another way I do as it's a serious mess.
Could you list the any number of people who could've done a similar job as Gallagher with Derry please and thanks
Quote from: Mario on February 22, 2025, 09:20:20 PMQuote from: weareros on February 22, 2025, 09:15:04 PMDerry need to develop a kicking game. Their style of play will have a team gassed after 20 mins. That said they could have had 4 goals themselves. However Dublin are starting to look ominous. Con came back and was scoring effortsly. He's another 2 point option for them. Sean Bugler looked in a lot of stress however. He was having some game. The Hill needs an education on the new rules. Maybe an announcer on the tannoy could help in those situations.
Derry kicked the ball twice as much as Dublin, who were playing basketball around the arc. Kicking it away was our second biggest issue after our goalkeeper
You had to kick it more because Dublin put more pressure on up the field so you couldn't bandpass it around. The fact that you struggle kicking a ball is a sad indictment on coaching.
Dub played basketball as you say because Derry defence drop back into defence and don't put you under pressure
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 22, 2025, 09:42:30 PMQuote from: Mario on February 22, 2025, 09:27:46 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 22, 2025, 09:02:56 PMIs this Derrys level though?
Have they the players to be much better?
You might say yes... But that was 2 years ago different rules and exceptional manager.
Gallagher was an exceptional manager but all the top teams have top managers, that's a min requirement. We've had 6 all stars and a young player of the year in 22 and 23, don't agree with your narrative that we've no talent and it was all Gallagher.
I'm not so sure whether I agree with you that all the top teams have top managers.
I haven't seen a manager improve a team so much as Gallagher other than McGuinness and despite what way media portrayed his style of play they were exiting to watch.
A manager can make or break a team. If there is talent there. A ideological manager ie one we had for last couple of years can stifle that talent. A good one can nurture it and let it flourish ie the manager we have now.
Michael Murphy not named in match day 26 for donegal and 5 changes from team that beat Armagh.I suppose they are safe so can experiment a bit more🤔Dublin fairly took Derry asunder last night who made us look very ordinary in second half last week.and mayo came good to draw against Armagh.If anything it shows you can't read too much into league results.Hoping for a Galway win today the wind is not too bad in salthill but the pitch could be a different story.
Quote from: cornetto on February 23, 2025, 08:39:09 AMMichael Murphy not named in match day 26 for donegal and 5 changes from team that beat Armagh.I suppose they are safe so can experiment a bit more🤔Dublin fairly took Derry asunder last night who made us look very ordinary in second half last week.and mayo came good to draw against Armagh.If anything it shows you can't read too much into league results.Hoping for a Galway win today the wind is not too bad in salthill but the pitch could be a different story.
I think the league final is the week before Donegal play Derry in championship. You couldn't make up how stupid the GAA are.
Donegal will want to avoid a league final for that reason.
Tyrone game moved to Pomeroy?!
Quote from: cornetto on February 23, 2025, 08:39:09 AMMichael Murphy not named in match day 26 for donegal and 5 changes from team that beat Armagh.I suppose they are safe so can experiment a bit more🤔
Murphy wasn't named on the published 26 last weekend either and played. It's the usual dummy panel Jim sends off to Croke Park on a Thursday evening.
Quote from: screenexile on February 23, 2025, 10:29:41 AMTyrone game moved to Pomeroy?!
Yeah, Omagh pitch didn't pass inspection unsurprisingly.
Quote from: p3427977 on February 23, 2025, 10:57:30 AMQuote from: screenexile on February 23, 2025, 10:29:41 AMTyrone game moved to Pomeroy?!
Yeah, Omagh pitch didn't pass inspection unsurprisingly.
Pomeroy will be a nightmare in that wind. Was it Edendork they played Kerry in a few years back? Omagh is regularly unplayable. For all the success on the field, work of club Tyrone and development of Garvaghy, there must be some consternation in the county about the lack of a reliable ground for inter-county games.
Quote from: APM on February 23, 2025, 12:15:21 PMQuote from: p3427977 on February 23, 2025, 10:57:30 AMQuote from: screenexile on February 23, 2025, 10:29:41 AMTyrone game moved to Pomeroy?!
Yeah, Omagh pitch didn't pass inspection unsurprisingly.
Pomeroy will be a nightmare in that wind. Was it Edendork they played Kerry in a few years back? Omagh is regularly unplayable. For all the success on the field, work of club Tyrone and development of Garvaghy, there must be some consternation in the county about the lack of a reliable ground for inter-county games.
They need to push on getting Dungannon ready. Best ground in the county
Tyrone v Kerry now live on TG4 TV as a result of the postponement of Kilkenny v Limerick.
Hope to see some hard hitting after that fairy show last nite.
Kerry must need win the game, Clifford rolled out. Serious breeze blowing there against Kerry in the first half.
As stupid a black card as you're likely to see. No need for McElholm to do that.
McElholm's senior career off to a really ignominious start. That was an unbelievably daft thing to do.
This has the makings of a hammering for us. Kerry walking through unopposed and we must have made half a dozen unforced errors too.
Tyrone look a mess
Tyrone shooting just as bad as last week
You were saying : ) 3 x 2 pointers!
Quote from: APM on February 23, 2025, 12:15:21 PMQuote from: p3427977 on February 23, 2025, 10:57:30 AMQuote from: screenexile on February 23, 2025, 10:29:41 AMTyrone game moved to Pomeroy?!
Yeah, Omagh pitch didn't pass inspection unsurprisingly.
Pomeroy will be a nightmare in that wind. Was it Edendork they played Kerry in a few years back? Omagh is regularly unplayable. For all the success on the field, work of club Tyrone and development of Garvaghy, there must be some consternation in the county about the lack of a reliable ground for inter-county games.
Garvahy is as good a facility as there is in the country. The decision to locate it on a mountaintop beggars belief. It's battered by force 10 winds even in summer.
Tyrone not making the best use of strong wind thus far.
Quote from: Truthsayer on February 23, 2025, 02:05:42 PMYou were saying : ) 3 x 2 pointers!
From a half back and midfielder.
Forwards doing fcuk all
Could be a long 2nd half for Tyrone
Tyrone 0-11 Kerry 1-5 at half time
That goal killed off any half chance we had in this game. Dreading this second half.
Would have needed at least a 10 point lead at h/t with that wind. You'd expect Clifford to float over a few 2 pointers in the 2nd half.
Kerry will win this well with that wind.
G F.Burns can't tackle, he see the line before the end of the game.McKieran a good baller if he stops all the ratting off the ball. He doesn't need it. Gale force breeze here. 2 2pters and Kerry could hit the front very quick.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 23, 2025, 02:39:37 PMG F.Burns can't tackle, he see the line before the end of the game.McKieran a good baller if he stops all the ratting off the ball. He doesn't need it. Gale force breeze here. 2 2pters and Kerry could hit the front very quick.
Bit of a dive by Mc Kernan there and him just after offloading the ball.
Kerry moving ball at much quicker pace with wind
David Clifford should have had another two goals.
Darragh Canavan goal after Kerry being wasteful.
Kerry terrible here
Clifford goal.
Kerry trying to run the ball into the net, instead taking easy points. The mind boggles!
See a black there, that for denying a goal scoring opportunity, as his lunge brought down Canavan, more than dragged him down.?
what way is the wind? the flags at the goal seemed to suggest it was with Tyrone
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 23, 2025, 03:00:04 PMKerry trying to run the ball into the net, instead taking easy points. The mind boggles!
Clifford off now -
Kerry a shambles
Cliffords was never a black
Quote from: smort on February 23, 2025, 03:07:45 PMCliffords was never a black
No, harsh black. Kerry really aren't up to much without him
Kerry 12/1. Could be worth a bet if Tyrone don't capitalise on the 2 extra players.
Quote from: smort on February 23, 2025, 03:07:45 PMCliffords was never a black
Just gonna post the same. Clifford clearly going for the ball and mistimed it. Terrible decision.
Well he missed the ball, and brought him down. I suppose it's not deliberate, so ref went with the crowd noise. Keery been trying to walk it into the net all game, and it's costed them.
Quote from: smort on February 23, 2025, 03:07:45 PMCliffords was never a black
Of course it was.
5.11 To deliberately trip an opponent with hand(s),
arm, leg or foot.
Great to see Kerry finally being called out on the dark arts.
Quote from: Truthsayer on February 23, 2025, 02:56:13 PMQuote from: tyroneman on February 23, 2025, 02:10:17 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 23, 2025, 02:05:42 PMYou were saying : ) 3 x 2 pointers!
From a half back and midfielder.
Forwards doing fcuk all
You were saying ..
What were the players I was referring to doing before DC came on?
Tyrone not doing near enough with 2 extra men
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 23, 2025, 03:09:42 PMQuote from: smort on February 23, 2025, 03:07:45 PMCliffords was never a black
Of course it was.
5.11 To deliberately trip an opponent with hand(s),
arm, leg or foot.
"Deliberately" being the important word there.
It's not a black card as its not deliberate. Look up the rulebook.
Clifford been poor and he's scored 3 goals.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 23, 2025, 03:18:41 PMIt's not a black card as its not deliberate. Look up the rulebook.
You may tell the referee that. How do you know his intentions? He tripped the man. Long enough about to get his timing right
Tyrone are gassed. Kerry have this now. Crazy to sit back when had two extra players.
Tyrone did fcuk all with 2 extra men.
Tyrone out of it since the black cards not helped by silly fouling.
I notice Kerry never play the keeper out much, maybe Derry should take note.
What's that one for? Tyrone left that one behind them.
Referee did his best to keep Kerry in it when they were down two with Black Cards.
Tyrone need a good hard look at themselves losing that game
Tyrone continually poor
Two weeks in a row that Tyrone have thrown away games that were there for the winning. Will do well to avoid relegation now but main thing is developing as a team after a couple of years when they were really a rudderless ship. Some signs of progress but a long way to go.
For Kerry that could be a big win in terms of staying up and getting their year going.
Kerry won 5 of the last 6 kickouts. Tyrone run outta steam here.
Division 2 beckons.
David Clifford bullied our FB line, would not have scored 3 goals off Hampsey.
Thought Kerry managed the double black card far better than Tyrone. The Ulstermen thought they had the match won at that stage. Morgan's kick outs all went to Kerry midfielders the last 10 minutes, so the Tyrone defenders had no let up under relentless Kerry pressure.
Wheels def came off there... can't protect a lead as handy these days. I seen improvement as well.
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 23, 2025, 03:24:41 PMReferee did his best to keep Kerry in it when they were down two with Black Cards.
He let O'Beaglaoich off when he already on a yellow card.
Strange camera position for the Galway Donegal game here. Too windy for a higher position?
Normal days weather in Donegal by the look of it.
Quote from: smort on February 23, 2025, 03:46:51 PMStrange camera position for the Galway Donegal game here. Too windy for a higher position?
Has to be
Tyrone sure know how to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. ;D Thought the ref gifted Kerry a lot when down to 13 tbf. Some soft frees, not moving the ball forward when they showed dissent and probably should've had another sending off
Quote from: smort on February 23, 2025, 03:46:51 PMStrange camera position for the Galway Donegal game here. Too windy for a higher position?
TG4 moved it because of the wind.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 23, 2025, 03:47:19 PMNormal days weather in Donegal by the look of it.
Is it not in Salthill?
It is. Weather normal day there too lol
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 23, 2025, 03:52:28 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on February 23, 2025, 03:47:19 PMNormal days weather in Donegal by the look of it.
Is it not in Salthill?
It is but I think he means that weather suits both
This is bonkers lol
Wind is insane!
Galway right to go for those two pointers. Hit even a third of them and you'll have a nice lead.
With this wind I could see someone scoring a two-pointer from their own half
Quote from: Armagh4sam2024 on February 23, 2025, 03:49:46 PMTyrone sure know how to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. ;D Thought the ref gifted Kerry a lot when down to 13 tbf. Some soft frees, not moving the ball forward when they showed dissent and probably should've had another sending off
Agree with that. Ultimately cane down to Tyrone not killing them off when they had the extra men and 5 points up but thought the ref was really poor.
Quote from: seafoid on February 23, 2025, 03:50:42 PMQuote from: smort on February 23, 2025, 03:46:51 PMStrange camera position for the Galway Donegal game here. Too windy for a higher position?
TG4 moved it because of the wind.
Never heard of that happening before.
That's a 20 point wind
Patton put his foot through that kickout and it didn't reach the 50!!
Game maybe should have been postponed
Quote from: smort on February 23, 2025, 04:03:42 PMGame maybe should have been postponed
Why? It's windy and wet! It's windy and wet in high summer
why was the game not postponed.
ridicoulous
pitch will be pure shit an unplayable in second half,
as for spectators that are attending, they should be given a free ticket to next home game for each county
How did this game go ahead?
Quote from: smort on February 23, 2025, 04:03:42 PMGame maybe should have been postponed
Would be a long wait for a day when it's not windy in Salthill.
There's some softies about
In fairness, I played in many's a game like this growing up in Donegal!
Quote from: J70 on February 23, 2025, 04:08:14 PMIn fairness, I played in many's a game like this growing up in Donegal!
That pitch at Downings has to be the worst?
Maurice eat your heart out!
Whos marking Shane Walsh, the invisible man?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2025, 04:09:12 PMQuote from: J70 on February 23, 2025, 04:08:14 PMIn fairness, I played in many's a game like this growing up in Donegal!
That pitch at Downings has to be the worst?
Take your pick. They're almost all on or very near the coast!
This must be a record points total for 25 mins in a National League game?
Quote from: Truthsayer on February 23, 2025, 03:20:24 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on February 23, 2025, 03:18:41 PMIt's not a black card as its not deliberate. Look up the rulebook.
You may tell the referee that. How do you know his intentions? He tripped the man. Long enough about to get his timing right
What a ridiculously stupid thing to post, regardless of Clifford's intentions.
Donegal just can't get any space to build anything as the wind is mostly keeping them camped in their own half.
Better get the talking points about the new rules in before League Sunday.
Was wind a thing before the new rules?!
Joking aside Galway have been excellent everywhere and really biting in.
Quote from: J70 on February 23, 2025, 04:15:26 PMDonegal just can't get any space to build anything as the wind is mostly keeping them camped in their own half.
Well that and Galways intensity.
Score for Donegal in the 30th minute from a free.
I predict it will be 'a game of both halves' :)
Never a red, he caught him nearly all on the shoulder, not sure why the Donegal man holding his face.
Never a red.
The ref will be raging with his lineman, I hate when I have to consult the linesman, like it wasn't as if he wasn't close enough himself
Replays show Tierney hasn't hit him on the head at all. Shoulder to shoulder.
Whether it w
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 23, 2025, 04:26:15 PMNever a red, he caught him nearly all on the shoulder, not sure why the Donegal man holding his face.
The impact was to his neck and head, not "nearly all shoulder". Whether it should have been a red or not is a different matter.
how many times can Maher tackle a player in head neck area before he is booked or sent off
Quote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 04:32:51 PMWhether it wQuote from: Wildweasel74 on February 23, 2025, 04:26:15 PMNever a red, he caught him nearly all on the shoulder, not sure why the Donegal man holding his face.
The impact was to his neck and head, not "nearly all shoulder". Whether it should have been a red or not is a different matter.
It's a red now under new rules.
Time to jettison Salthill.
Quote from: mrdeeds on February 23, 2025, 04:57:23 PMQuote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 04:32:51 PMWhether it wQuote from: Wildweasel74 on February 23, 2025, 04:26:15 PMNever a red, he caught him nearly all on the shoulder, not sure why the Donegal man holding his face.
The impact was to his neck and head, not "nearly all shoulder". Whether it should have been a red or not is a different matter.
It's a red now under new rules.
You did see what we seen? It was a foul that was it
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2025, 05:00:58 PMQuote from: mrdeeds on February 23, 2025, 04:57:23 PMQuote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 04:32:51 PMWhether it wQuote from: Wildweasel74 on February 23, 2025, 04:26:15 PMNever a red, he caught him nearly all on the shoulder, not sure why the Donegal man holding his face.
The impact was to his neck and head, not "nearly all shoulder". Whether it should have been a red or not is a different matter.
It's a red now under new rules.
You did see what we seen? It was a foul that was it
Any contact to head or neck area is a red. Simple as.
Red all day
Quote from: mrdeeds on February 23, 2025, 05:02:31 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2025, 05:00:58 PMQuote from: mrdeeds on February 23, 2025, 04:57:23 PMQuote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 04:32:51 PMWhether it w
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 23, 2025, 04:26:15 PMNever a red, he caught him nearly all on the shoulder, not sure why the Donegal man holding his face.
The impact was to his neck and head, not "nearly all shoulder". Whether it should have been a red or not is a different matter.
It's a red now under new rules.
You did see what we seen? It was a foul that was it
Any contact to head or neck area is a red. Simple as.
He got shoulder, albeit it at the back of his shoulder
Quote from: mrdeeds on February 23, 2025, 05:02:31 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2025, 05:00:58 PMQuote from: mrdeeds on February 23, 2025, 04:57:23 PMQuote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 04:32:51 PMWhether it wQuote from: Wildweasel74 on February 23, 2025, 04:26:15 PMNever a red, he caught him nearly all on the shoulder, not sure why the Donegal man holding his face.
The impact was to his neck and head, not "nearly all shoulder". Whether it should have been a red or not is a different matter.
It's a red now under new rules.
You did see what we seen? It was a foul that was it
Any contact to head or neck area is a red. Simple as.
Any contact on neck? Any?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2025, 05:06:05 PMQuote from: mrdeeds on February 23, 2025, 05:02:31 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2025, 05:00:58 PMQuote from: mrdeeds on February 23, 2025, 04:57:23 PMQuote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 04:32:51 PMWhether it wQuote from: Wildweasel74 on February 23, 2025, 04:26:15 PMNever a red, he caught him nearly all on the shoulder, not sure why the Donegal man holding his face.
The impact was to his neck and head, not "nearly all shoulder". Whether it should have been a red or not is a different matter.
It's a red now under new rules.
You did see what we seen? It was a foul that was it
Any contact to head or neck area is a red. Simple as.
Any contact on neck? Any?
Amendment to rule 5.17
Donegal far too slow in the build up. They need to start taking a few earlier shots.
Quote from: mrdeeds on February 23, 2025, 05:07:54 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2025, 05:06:05 PMQuote from: mrdeeds on February 23, 2025, 05:02:31 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2025, 05:00:58 PMQuote from: mrdeeds on February 23, 2025, 04:57:23 PMQuote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 04:32:51 PMWhether it w
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 23, 2025, 04:26:15 PMNever a red, he caught him nearly all on the shoulder, not sure why the Donegal man holding his face.
The impact was to his neck and head, not "nearly all shoulder". Whether it should have been a red or not is a different matter.
It's a red now under new rules.
You did see what we seen? It was a foul that was it
Any contact to head or neck area is a red. Simple as.
Any contact on neck? Any?
Amendment to rule 5.17
So I'm asking any, absolutely any contact on the neck face head? Any?
Amend Rule Category III Infraction, 5.17 to include (i.e. a Red Card):
"To behave in any way which is dangerous to an opponent. This includes head on head, shoulder on head or elbow on head contact in any tackle attempt, and any form of neck restraint or interference with the neck and throat area."
That was a shoulder on the back of the shoulder, so not a Red
The look Joyce gave the Galway sub who got black card :-X 😃
So not any contact as deeds was saying but dangerous, cheers
Quote from: bennydorano on February 23, 2025, 05:12:46 PMThe look Joyce gave the Galway sub who hot black card :-X 😃
He'll be playing junior
That score from Maher should see them over the line, Donegal's work rate in the first half their major undoing and not inclined to go for 2 pointers when that's what's needed.
Re the case for postponing - if a keeper like Patton is barely getting the ball out beyond the 50, then there's a problem. How would this work for underage with a wind like that. Every kickout would result in a hop ball.
Quote from: APM on February 23, 2025, 05:16:25 PMThat score from Maher should see them over the line, Donegal's work rate in the first half their major undoing and not inclined to go for 2 pointers when that's what's needed.
Re the case for postponing - if a keeper like Patton is barely getting the ball out beyond the 50, then there's a problem. How would this work for underage with a wind like that. Every kickout would result in a hop ball.
Did a game today, wind pretty strong, he only has to hit it 20 metres, it's not a hop ball either
What wasn't the sideline not kicked?
Don't think Donegal wanted to win that game. Never pushed it when they were 2 men up.
How can the buzzer go when the ball is dead?
Poor show from Donegal today. Couldn't match Galways work rate and accuracy. Playing against 13 for long periods.
Quote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 05:19:20 PMHow can the buzzer go when the ball is dead?
The buzzer goes at 70 mins regardless of where the ball is.
Donegal had no interest or intention of winning that game
Quote from: mrdeeds on February 23, 2025, 05:02:31 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2025, 05:00:58 PMQuote from: mrdeeds on February 23, 2025, 04:57:23 PMQuote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 04:32:51 PMWhether it w
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 23, 2025, 04:26:15 PMNever a red, he caught him nearly all on the shoulder, not sure why the Donegal man holding his face.
The impact was to his neck and head, not "nearly all shoulder". Whether it should have been a red or not is a different matter.
But it wasn't to the head or neck, square on shoulder. Also, why was the Donegal man holding his face, on the opposite side of where he was shouldered?
It's a red now under new rules.
You did see what we seen? It was a foul that was it
Any contact to head or neck area is a red. Simple as.
Quote from: OakLeaf on February 23, 2025, 05:22:57 PMQuote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 05:19:20 PMHow can the buzzer go when the ball is dead?
The buzzer goes at 70 mins regardless of where the ball is.
If the ball goes for a free or sideline it can be played but must go dead
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2025, 05:17:46 PMQuote from: APM on February 23, 2025, 05:16:25 PMThat score from Maher should see them over the line, Donegal's work rate in the first half their major undoing and not inclined to go for 2 pointers when that's what's needed.
Re the case for postponing - if a keeper like Patton is barely getting the ball out beyond the 50, then there's a problem. How would this work for underage with a wind like that. Every kickout would result in a hop ball.
Did a game today, wind pretty strong, he only has to hit it 20 metres, it's not a hop ball either
That's me told 🙈
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2025, 05:23:31 PMDonegal had no interest or intention of winning that game
Not so sure about that, simply weren't allowed. Controlling performance by the tribesmen who already look in the mood to challenge strongly for Sam once more.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2025, 05:23:31 PMDonegal had no interest or intention of winning that game
I think you're right. I was hoping they'd save that until the Derry game 😀
On a side note, I can see the 50m dissent rule being a shitshow come championship. Already, half of the referees are not implementing it, half of the time.
There were a few things in my game that I'm still second guessing.
Too much too soon
Quote from: OakLeaf on February 23, 2025, 05:26:25 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2025, 05:23:31 PMDonegal had no interest or intention of winning that game
I think you're right. I was hoping they'd save that until the Derry game 😀
On a side note, I can see the 50m dissent rule being a shitshow come championship. Already, half of the referees are not implementing it, half of the time.
I've said this many times, what's dissent for you may not be for me, let the ref decide how dissent over frustration is implemented, I'm long enough in the game to know who's being a p***k
Quote from: bennydorano on February 23, 2025, 05:12:46 PMThe look Joyce gave the Galway sub who got black card :-X 😃
O Laoi hasn't exactly taken the opportunities he's been given in this league!
Nothing against the lad but he wasnt able to make much impact off the bench three years ago and he hasn't improved much if any in the meantime.
Honest player but not really up to this level of ball
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2025, 05:28:45 PMI've said this many times, what's dissent for you may not be for me, let the ref decide how dissent over frustration is implemented, I'm long enough in the game to know who's being a p***k
Totally agree. I refereed for 10 plus years myself, and would have been pretty lenient with dissent (mainly because I did a lot of slabbering as a player :)).
It's the inconsistency I'm concerned about because it's a pretty harsh penalty. It's going to be difficult for referees to be consistent in the heat of a championship game.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2025, 05:13:40 PMSo not any contact as deeds was saying but dangerous, cheers
Not any contact to head and neck is deemed dangerous, but the definition of dangerous contact includes
any head on head, shoulder on head or elbow on head contact in any tackle attemptA hand on neck/head may not be deemed as being dangerous to an opponent
Quote from: OakLeaf on February 23, 2025, 05:22:57 PMQuote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 05:19:20 PMHow can the buzzer go when the ball is dead?
The buzzer goes at 70 mins regardless of where the ball is.
Are you being deliberately obtuse?
How can the game end when the ball is dead and there's a kick still to be taken?
Quote from: OakLeaf on February 23, 2025, 05:35:10 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2025, 05:28:45 PMI've said this many times, what's dissent for you may not be for me, let the ref decide how dissent over frustration is implemented, I'm long enough in the game to know who's being a p***k
Totally agree. I refereed for 10 plus years myself, and would have been pretty lenient with dissent (mainly because I did a lot of slabbering as a player :)).
It's the inconsistency I'm concerned about because it's a pretty harsh penalty. It's going to be difficult for referees to be consistent in the heat of a championship game.
It certainly will be but lay it out from the start and be honest to yourself and have integrity. If you have those two then you can go too far wrong.
I really think there's an inbuilt hatred/distrust/lack of respect for referees
I'm bored of the ego/all about him/cheater/hates our club attitude
Quote from: Main Street on February 23, 2025, 05:35:52 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2025, 05:13:40 PMSo not any contact as deeds was saying but dangerous, cheers
Not any contact to head and neck is deemed dangerous, but the definition of dangerous contact includes any head on head, shoulder on head or elbow on head contact in any tackle attempt
A hand on neck/head may not be deemed as being dangerous to an opponent
But I think that comes under this bit:
"and any form of neck restraint or interference with the neck and throat area."
So if grab somebody by the neck then that's a Red? But if i accidentally slap someone on the face in the tackle, that's probably not a Red.
Quote from: Main Street on February 23, 2025, 05:35:52 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2025, 05:13:40 PMSo not any contact as deeds was saying but dangerous, cheers
Not any contact to head and neck is deemed dangerous, but the definition of dangerous contact includes any head on head, shoulder on head or elbow on head contact in any tackle attempt
A hand on neck/head may not be deemed as being dangerous to an opponent
I know that, but deeds was saying any, gave him a few chances to roll back but hey ho
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2025, 05:23:31 PMDonegal had no interest or intention of winning that game
But they'll have their chest puffed out when Tyrone come to town.
Quote from: clarshack on February 23, 2025, 05:48:12 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2025, 05:23:31 PMDonegal had no interest or intention of winning that game
But they'll have their chest puffed out when Tyrone come to town.
Yeah, and that's all about putting manners on your Ulster rivals
Replays show he didn't even make contact with neck or head. Doesn't even look a foul on tv. Shoulder to shoulder and side to side
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 23, 2025, 05:50:54 PMReplays show he didn't even make contact with neck or head. Doesn't even look a foul on tv. Shoulder to shoulder and side to side
You could replay it a thousand times at no point is their contact to neck or head.. even if his neck was as long as Beakers from Sesame street he still wouldn't have hit it.
Quote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 05:36:27 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on February 23, 2025, 05:22:57 PMQuote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 05:19:20 PMHow can the buzzer go when the ball is dead?
The buzzer goes at 70 mins regardless of where the ball is.
Are you being deliberately obtuse?
How can the game end when the ball is dead and there's a kick still to be taken?
Not at all. The game ends even if the ball is out of play. You can take a free or penalty.
Heres the Official FAQ: https://learning.gaa.ie/FRCFAQ
Quote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 05:36:27 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on February 23, 2025, 05:22:57 PMQuote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 05:19:20 PMHow can the buzzer go when the ball is dead?
The buzzer goes at 70 mins regardless of where the ball is.
Are you being deliberately obtuse?
How can the game end when the ball is dead and there's a kick still to be taken?
The clock doesn't stop everytinme the ball is "dead". The clock runs after a wide, for example. So it is very possible that the hooter blows before a keeper kicks a ball out.
Quote from: OakLeaf on February 23, 2025, 05:41:27 PMQuote from: Main Street on February 23, 2025, 05:35:52 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2025, 05:13:40 PMSo not any contact as deeds was saying but dangerous, cheers
Not any contact to head and neck is deemed dangerous, but the definition of dangerous contact includes any head on head, shoulder on head or elbow on head contact in any tackle attempt
A hand on neck/head may not be deemed as being dangerous to an opponent
But I think that comes under this bit:
"and any form of neck restraint or interference with the neck and throat area."
So if grab somebody by the neck then that's a Red? But if i accidentally slap someone on the face in the tackle, that's probably not a Red.
In that event, if spotted I think the ref would give you the accidental red.
Quote from: Main Street on February 23, 2025, 06:01:25 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on February 23, 2025, 05:41:27 PMQuote from: Main Street on February 23, 2025, 05:35:52 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2025, 05:13:40 PMSo not any contact as deeds was saying but dangerous, cheers
Not any contact to head and neck is deemed dangerous, but the definition of dangerous contact includes any head on head, shoulder on head or elbow on head contact in any tackle attempt
A hand on neck/head may not be deemed as being dangerous to an opponent
But I think that comes under this bit:
"and any form of neck restraint or interference with the neck and throat area."
So if grab somebody by the neck then that's a Red? But if i accidentally slap someone on the face in the tackle, that's probably not a Red.
In that event, if spotted I think the ref would give you the accidental red.
Quote from: Main Street on February 23, 2025, 06:01:25 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on February 23, 2025, 05:41:27 PMQuote from: Main Street on February 23, 2025, 05:35:52 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2025, 05:13:40 PMSo not any contact as deeds was saying but dangerous, cheers
Not any contact to head and neck is deemed dangerous, but the definition of dangerous contact includes any head on head, shoulder on head or elbow on head contact in any tackle attempt
A hand on neck/head may not be deemed as being dangerous to an opponent
But I think that comes under this bit:
"and any form of neck restraint or interference with the neck and throat area."
So if grab somebody by the neck then that's a Red? But if i accidentally slap someone on the face in the tackle, that's probably not a Red.
In that event, if spotted I think the ref would give you the accidental red.
I suppose it depends, if someone accidentally slapped your face it's play on
Quote from: OakLeaf on February 23, 2025, 05:56:55 PMQuote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 05:36:27 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on February 23, 2025, 05:22:57 PMQuote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 05:19:20 PMHow can the buzzer go when the ball is dead?
The buzzer goes at 70 mins regardless of where the ball is.
Are you being deliberately obtuse?
How can the game end when the ball is dead and there's a kick still to be taken?
Not at all. The game ends even if the ball is out of play. You can take a free or penalty.
Heres the Official FAQ: https://learning.gaa.ie/FRCFAQ
That says nothing about a sideline ball or kickout, did you not read it?
Quote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 06:12:18 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on February 23, 2025, 05:56:55 PMQuote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 05:36:27 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on February 23, 2025, 05:22:57 PMQuote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 05:19:20 PMHow can the buzzer go when the ball is dead?
The buzzer goes at 70 mins regardless of where the ball is.
Are you being deliberately obtuse?
How can the game end when the ball is dead and there's a kick still to be taken?
Not at all. The game ends even if the ball is out of play. You can take a free or penalty.
Heres the Official FAQ: https://learning.gaa.ie/FRCFAQ
That says nothing about a sideline ball or kickout, did you not read it?
Was the Armagh point from a sideline after the hooter?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2025, 06:13:13 PMQuote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 06:12:18 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on February 23, 2025, 05:56:55 PMQuote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 05:36:27 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on February 23, 2025, 05:22:57 PMQuote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 05:19:20 PMHow can the buzzer go when the ball is dead?
The buzzer goes at 70 mins regardless of where the ball is.
Are you being deliberately obtuse?
How can the game end when the ball is dead and there's a kick still to be taken?
Not at all. The game ends even if the ball is out of play. You can take a free or penalty.
Heres the Official FAQ: https://learning.gaa.ie/FRCFAQ
That says nothing about a sideline ball or kickout, did you not read it?
Was the Armagh point from a sideline after the hooter?
It was. I think, technically, a sideline is a free kick. That is why it was allowed.
Not that it mattered in this game but can you imagine it happening in the Ulster championship when it could result in a win or salvaging a draw?
Quote from: Smokin Joe on February 23, 2025, 06:19:15 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2025, 06:13:13 PMQuote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 06:12:18 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on February 23, 2025, 05:56:55 PMQuote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 05:36:27 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on February 23, 2025, 05:22:57 PMQuote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 05:19:20 PMHow can the buzzer go when the ball is dead?
The buzzer goes at 70 mins regardless of where the ball is.
Are you being deliberately obtuse?
How can the game end when the ball is dead and there's a kick still to be taken?
Not at all. The game ends even if the ball is out of play. You can take a free or penalty.
Heres the Official FAQ: https://learning.gaa.ie/FRCFAQ
That says nothing about a sideline ball or kickout, did you not read it?
Was the Armagh point from a sideline after the hooter?
It was. I think, technically, a sideline is a free kick. That is why it was allowed.
We are discussing the sideline ball at the end of the Galway Donegal game, if you aren't aware. The kick wasn't allowed to be taken.
Quote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 06:25:29 PMQuote from: Smokin Joe on February 23, 2025, 06:19:15 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2025, 06:13:13 PMQuote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 06:12:18 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on February 23, 2025, 05:56:55 PMQuote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 05:36:27 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on February 23, 2025, 05:22:57 PMQuote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 05:19:20 PMHow can the buzzer go when the ball is dead?
The buzzer goes at 70 mins regardless of where the ball is.
Are you being deliberately obtuse?
How can the game end when the ball is dead and there's a kick still to be taken?
Not at all. The game ends even if the ball is out of play. You can take a free or penalty.
Heres the Official FAQ: https://learning.gaa.ie/FRCFAQ
That says nothing about a sideline ball or kickout, did you not read it?
Was the Armagh point from a sideline after the hooter?
It was. I think, technically, a sideline is a free kick. That is why it was allowed.
We are discussing the sideline ball at the end of the Galway Donegal game, if you aren't aware. The kick wasn't allowed to be taken.
And that's the problem, some inconsistencies still, as expected.
Still think too many changes too soon across the board
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2025, 06:28:35 PMQuote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 06:25:29 PMQuote from: Smokin Joe on February 23, 2025, 06:19:15 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2025, 06:13:13 PMQuote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 06:12:18 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on February 23, 2025, 05:56:55 PMQuote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 05:36:27 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on February 23, 2025, 05:22:57 PMQuote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 05:19:20 PMHow can the buzzer go when the ball is dead?
The buzzer goes at 70 mins regardless of where the ball is.
Are you being deliberately obtuse?
How can the game end when the ball is dead and there's a kick still to be taken?
Not at all. The game ends even if the ball is out of play. You can take a free or penalty.
Heres the Official FAQ: https://learning.gaa.ie/FRCFAQ
That says nothing about a sideline ball or kickout, did you not read it?
Was the Armagh point from a sideline after the hooter?
It was. I think, technically, a sideline is a free kick. That is why it was allowed.
We are discussing the sideline ball at the end of the Galway Donegal game, if you aren't aware. The kick wasn't allowed to be taken.
And that's the problem, some inconsistencies still, as expected.
Still think too many changes too soon across the board
True.
I think sidelines and kickouts are different than frees (because they are as a result of fouls). At least that's what I was taught whilst refereeing. So if time was up you allowed the free, but it had to be scored directly. For sidelines and kickouts the game was over.
I agree that it's unclear with the current rules. I suspect that much of this will get sorted/refined over the course of the league.
Quote from: OakLeaf on February 23, 2025, 06:42:23 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2025, 06:28:35 PMQuote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 06:25:29 PMQuote from: Smokin Joe on February 23, 2025, 06:19:15 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2025, 06:13:13 PMQuote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 06:12:18 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on February 23, 2025, 05:56:55 PMQuote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 05:36:27 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on February 23, 2025, 05:22:57 PMQuote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 05:19:20 PMHow can the buzzer go when the ball is dead?
The buzzer goes at 70 mins regardless of where the ball is.
Are you being deliberately obtuse?
How can the game end when the ball is dead and there's a kick still to be taken?
Not at all. The game ends even if the ball is out of play. You can take a free or penalty.
Heres the Official FAQ: https://learning.gaa.ie/FRCFAQ
That says nothing about a sideline ball or kickout, did you not read it?
Was the Armagh point from a sideline after the hooter?
It was. I think, technically, a sideline is a free kick. That is why it was allowed.
We are discussing the sideline ball at the end of the Galway Donegal game, if you aren't aware. The kick wasn't allowed to be taken.
And that's the problem, some inconsistencies still, as expected.
Still think too many changes too soon across the board
True.
I think sidelines and kickouts are different than frees (because they are as a result of fouls). At least that's what I was taught whilst refereeing. So if time was up you allowed the free, but it had to be scored directly. For sidelines and kickouts the game was over.
I agree that it's unclear with the current rules. I suspect that much of this will get sorted/refined over the course of the league.
There's no doubt these ref's are on WhatsApps and that particular one in Armagh was discussed. So, begs the question, was it right or wrong? Should Armagh gained a score from that?
I'm not really a football fan but I'd have to say the new rules do improve the game as a viewing spectacle for us non experts. A lot of the stupid annoying delaying and complaining seems to have been taken out. Watched the Tyrone/Kerry and Galway/Donegal games and IMHO both winners deserved it.
Quote from: OakLeaf on February 23, 2025, 06:42:23 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2025, 06:28:35 PMQuote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 06:25:29 PMQuote from: Smokin Joe on February 23, 2025, 06:19:15 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2025, 06:13:13 PMQuote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 06:12:18 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on February 23, 2025, 05:56:55 PMQuote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 05:36:27 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on February 23, 2025, 05:22:57 PMQuote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 05:19:20 PMHow can the buzzer go when the ball is dead?
The buzzer goes at 70 mins regardless of where the ball is.
Are you being deliberately obtuse?
How can the game end when the ball is dead and there's a kick still to be taken?
Not at all. The game ends even if the ball is out of play. You can take a free or penalty.
Heres the Official FAQ: https://learning.gaa.ie/FRCFAQ
That says nothing about a sideline ball or kickout, did you not read it?
Was the Armagh point from a sideline after the hooter?
It was. I think, technically, a sideline is a free kick. That is why it was allowed.
We are discussing the sideline ball at the end of the Galway Donegal game, if you aren't aware. The kick wasn't allowed to be taken.
And that's the problem, some inconsistencies still, as expected.
Still think too many changes too soon across the board
True.
I think sidelines and kickouts are different than frees (because they are as a result of fouls). At least that's what I was taught whilst refereeing. So if time was up you allowed the free, but it had to be scored directly. For sidelines and kickouts the game was over.
I agree that it's unclear with the current rules. I suspect that much of this will get sorted/refined over the course of the league.
Do you know understand what the discussion is about after having a few goes at it?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2025, 06:44:35 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on February 23, 2025, 06:42:23 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2025, 06:28:35 PMQuote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 06:25:29 PMQuote from: Smokin Joe on February 23, 2025, 06:19:15 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2025, 06:13:13 PMQuote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 06:12:18 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on February 23, 2025, 05:56:55 PMQuote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 05:36:27 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on February 23, 2025, 05:22:57 PMQuote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 05:19:20 PMHow can the buzzer go when the ball is dead?
The buzzer goes at 70 mins regardless of where the ball is.
Are you being deliberately obtuse?
How can the game end when the ball is dead and there's a kick still to be taken?
Not at all. The game ends even if the ball is out of play. You can take a free or penalty.
Heres the Official FAQ: https://learning.gaa.ie/FRCFAQ
That says nothing about a sideline ball or kickout, did you not read it?
Was the Armagh point from a sideline after the hooter?
It was. I think, technically, a sideline is a free kick. That is why it was allowed.
We are discussing the sideline ball at the end of the Galway Donegal game, if you aren't aware. The kick wasn't allowed to be taken.
And that's the problem, some inconsistencies still, as expected.
Still think too many changes too soon across the board
True.
I think sidelines and kickouts are different than frees (because they are as a result of fouls). At least that's what I was taught whilst refereeing. So if time was up you allowed the free, but it had to be scored directly. For sidelines and kickouts the game was over.
I agree that it's unclear with the current rules. I suspect that much of this will get sorted/refined over the course of the league.
There's no doubt these ref's are on WhatsApps and that particular one in Armagh was discussed. So, begs the question, was it right or wrong? Should Armagh gained a score from that?
An inter-county ref told me it was the correct call. A sideline is a freekick in the rulebook and so it is correct that a sideline can be taken after the hooter.
2.9 of the Official Guide Part 2 confirms this:
"When a team plays the ball over the sideline, a free kick from the hand(s) shall be awarded to the
opposing team from outside the boundary line from the place where the ball crossed
the sideline."
Quote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 07:01:21 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on February 23, 2025, 06:42:23 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2025, 06:28:35 PMQuote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 06:25:29 PMQuote from: Smokin Joe on February 23, 2025, 06:19:15 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2025, 06:13:13 PMQuote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 06:12:18 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on February 23, 2025, 05:56:55 PMQuote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 05:36:27 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on February 23, 2025, 05:22:57 PMQuote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 05:19:20 PMHow can the buzzer go when the ball is dead?
The buzzer goes at 70 mins regardless of where the ball is.
Are you being deliberately obtuse?
How can the game end when the ball is dead and there's a kick still to be taken?
Not at all. The game ends even if the ball is out of play. You can take a free or penalty.
Heres the Official FAQ: https://learning.gaa.ie/FRCFAQ
That says nothing about a sideline ball or kickout, did you not read it?
Was the Armagh point from a sideline after the hooter?
It was. I think, technically, a sideline is a free kick. That is why it was allowed.
We are discussing the sideline ball at the end of the Galway Donegal game, if you aren't aware. The kick wasn't allowed to be taken.
And that's the problem, some inconsistencies still, as expected.
Still think too many changes too soon across the board
True.
I think sidelines and kickouts are different than frees (because they are as a result of fouls). At least that's what I was taught whilst refereeing. So if time was up you allowed the free, but it had to be scored directly. For sidelines and kickouts the game was over.
I agree that it's unclear with the current rules. I suspect that much of this will get sorted/refined over the course of the league.
Do you know understand what the discussion is about after having a few goes at it?
I do now that it has been brought into the conversation, but you didn't reference that in your original question, which was:
How can the buzzer go when the ball is dead?
You didn't like my wording (which was poor enough to be fair), and you've been snarky ever since. Lighten up a bit. It's a discussion
Buzzer goes on 70mins. Donegal could pointed out to the ref,we still a sideline, but with the score they weren't arguing much.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 23, 2025, 07:11:34 PMBuzzer goes on 70mins. Donegal could pointed out to the ref,we still a sideline, but with the score they weren't arguing much.
I can't remember where that sideline was from, but it would still have to be scored directly, as far as I know.
I had a quick look through the rules there and I can't see anything that talks about what happens when time is up, and there is a foul, sideline, kickout or 45. I'll have a closer look tomorrow. MR2, do you know where that's at in the rules?
Quote from: Main Street on February 23, 2025, 04:18:18 PMI predict it will be 'a game of both halves' :)
It's very like cricket. Galway declared for 17.
Donegal declared for 14 all out.
Quote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 05:36:27 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on February 23, 2025, 05:22:57 PMQuote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 05:19:20 PMHow can the buzzer go when the ball is dead?
The buzzer goes at 70 mins regardless of where the ball is.
Are you being deliberately obtuse?
How can the game end when the ball is dead and there's a kick still to be taken?
Are you asking why is the clock continuing to count up when there is a dead ball (i.e. should the clock not stop once the ball goes dead?) Its just thats a question I had at the start but the clock doesnt stop for dead balls
Quote from: David McKeown on February 23, 2025, 07:31:24 PMQuote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 05:36:27 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on February 23, 2025, 05:22:57 PMQuote from: greatpoint on February 23, 2025, 05:19:20 PMHow can the buzzer go when the ball is dead?
The buzzer goes at 70 mins regardless of where the ball is.
Are you asking why is the clock continuing to count up when there is a dead ball (i.e. should the clock not stop once the ball goes dead?) Its just thats a question I had at the start but the clock doesnt stop for dead balls
Are you being deliberately obtuse?
How can the game end when the ball is dead and there's a kick still to be taken?
Guess who watched Shawshank Redemption 8)
Can anyone remember from 2nd half of the Armagh Mayo game. A ball dropped short into Armagh man's hands in the square and he passed it back to Rafferty.
Whistle was blown i thought it was going to be a free in to Mayo but then Armagh had possession and a free.
Can anyone recall this? What happened here.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 23, 2025, 11:43:39 PMCan anyone remember from 2nd half of the Armagh Mayo game. A ball dropped short into Armagh man's hands in the square and he passed it back to Rafferty.
Whistle was blown i thought it was going to be a free in to Mayo but then Armagh had possession and a free.
Can anyone recall this? What happened here.
Fair bit of discussion on this over on the rules thread
https://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=25027.2130
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on February 23, 2025, 11:47:13 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 23, 2025, 11:43:39 PMCan anyone remember from 2nd half of the Armagh Mayo game. A ball dropped short into Armagh man's hands in the square and he passed it back to Rafferty.
Whistle was blown i thought it was going to be a free in to Mayo but then Armagh had possession and a free.
Can anyone recall this? What happened here.
Fair bit of discussion on this over on the rules thread
https://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=25027.2130
Ah okay hadnt read that thread... that's it cleared up so thanks.
So effectively Tyrone's 15 v Kerry's 13 yesterday was really 13 v 13 because Tyrone had to keep 3 players back.
Hence the lack of Tyrone killer punch in that key 50th-60th minute period. The two black cards didn't really have much effect.
Kerry played better & managed the rules better during that 10 minutes.
Can someone please explain how Mattie Tierney's mistimed shoulder warranted a red card, yet Mattie Ruane's deliberate elbow to Connor Turbitt last night only got a yellow card?
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on February 24, 2025, 12:25:49 AMCan someone please explain how Mattie Tierney's mistimed shoulder warranted a red card, yet Marie Ruane's deliberate elbow to Connor Turbitt last night only got a yellow card?
Didn't look an elbow to me and I was fairly close. Looked like an open hand to the face trying to push a player off.
I also thought Tierney's was harsh. Trying to go shoulder to shoulder and the Donegal player dips to turn at last second. Not even clear if there was contact to the head.
Quote from: David McKeown on February 24, 2025, 12:31:05 AMQuote from: Harold Disgracey on February 24, 2025, 12:25:49 AMCan someone please explain how Mattie Tierney's mistimed shoulder warranted a red card, yet Marie Ruane's deliberate elbow to Connor Turbitt last night only got a yellow card?
Didn't look an elbow to me and I was fairly close. Looked like an open hand to the face trying to push a player off.
I also thought Tierney's was harsh. Trying to go shoulder to shoulder and the Donegal player dips to turn at last second. Not even clear if there was contact to the head.
Not anywhere near him and unless there is an official view from the other side to show contact then his red card will be rescinded.
the ref blew for the foul, the linesman was straight on to his radio to get attention of ref, if I give the linesman the benefit of doubt I'd like to know what he saw that David didn't see from his position. The ref btw was 4 yards away
If a player ducks down and there is contact with the head then it's not the defenders fault. Donegal player turned and ducked down which led to the contact although it did look a fair shoulder to shoulder.
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 24, 2025, 07:55:43 AMIf a player ducks down and there is contact with the head then it's not the defenders fault. Donegal player turned and ducked down which led to the contact although it did look a fair shoulder to shoulder.
Shoulder to shoulder blade but defo not the neck or head from the look we got, again I'll say that we didn't see it from the sideline and the player held his face on contact, but unless the Galway lad had 3 arms I can't see how it happened
Quote from: David McKeown on February 24, 2025, 12:31:05 AMQuote from: Harold Disgracey on February 24, 2025, 12:25:49 AMCan someone please explain how Mattie Tierney's mistimed shoulder warranted a red card, yet Marie Ruane's deliberate elbow to Connor Turbitt last night only got a yellow card?
Didn't look an elbow to me and I was fairly close. Looked like an open hand to the face trying to push a player off.
I also thought Tierney's was harsh. Trying to go shoulder to shoulder and the Donegal player dips to turn at last second. Not even clear if there was contact to the head.
It was a carbon copy of Greg McCabe's red card in the Galway QF in 2022. Both very harsh red cards.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on February 24, 2025, 12:17:23 AMSo effectively Tyrone's 15 v Kerry's 13 yesterday was really 13 v 13 because Tyrone had to keep 3 players back.
Hence the lack of Tyrone killer punch in that key 50th-60th minute period. The two black cards didn't really have much effect.
Kerry played better & managed the rules better during that 10 minutes.
Is that correct though? Surely Tyrone didn't need to keep 3 players back if Kerry only needed to keep one in the forward line. Do the rules not allow you to take the risk of playing all 15 players in the opposition half if you choose?
Didn't watch any Division 1 game yesterday however I see Jim McGuinness rested Ryan McHugh, Patrick McBrearty and Michael Murphy saying afterwards they have got six points and have already got what they wanted out of this league.
Don't blame Jimmy for that instead it's on HQ for having a league final scheduled a week before the Ulster championships commences.
Those at the top in their effort to demean the Provincial championships have totally devalued division one of national league. If done right we should have two important competitions whereby every team is completing hard and more than delighted to win a national title instead we have a slow bicycle race to avoid the league final.
Quote from: APM on February 24, 2025, 10:50:36 AMQuote from: Aaron Boone on February 24, 2025, 12:17:23 AMSo effectively Tyrone's 15 v Kerry's 13 yesterday was really 13 v 13 because Tyrone had to keep 3 players back.
Hence the lack of Tyrone killer punch in that key 50th-60th minute period. The two black cards didn't really have much effect.
Kerry played better & managed the rules better during that 10 minutes.
Is that correct though? Surely Tyrone didn't need to keep 3 players back if Kerry only needed to keep one in the forward line. Do the rules not allow you to take the risk of playing all 15 players in the opposition half if you choose?
That's the rules. The full team need to keep 3 back at all times, the team with lesser numbers gets to drop players back. Completely stupid when you think these rules have been thought about for 1 year and no one thought about this.
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 24, 2025, 11:20:25 AMQuote from: APM on February 24, 2025, 10:50:36 AMQuote from: Aaron Boone on February 24, 2025, 12:17:23 AMSo effectively Tyrone's 15 v Kerry's 13 yesterday was really 13 v 13 because Tyrone had to keep 3 players back.
Hence the lack of Tyrone killer punch in that key 50th-60th minute period. The two black cards didn't really have much effect.
Kerry played better & managed the rules better during that 10 minutes.
Is that correct though? Surely Tyrone didn't need to keep 3 players back if Kerry only needed to keep one in the forward line. Do the rules not allow you to take the risk of playing all 15 players in the opposition half if you choose?
That's the rules. The full team need to keep 3 back at all times, the team with lesser numbers gets to drop players back. Completely stupid when you think these rules have been thought about for 1 year and no one thought about this.
Did Kerry score goals when Tyrone had more defenders than they had forwards?
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 24, 2025, 11:20:25 AMQuote from: APM on February 24, 2025, 10:50:36 AMQuote from: Aaron Boone on February 24, 2025, 12:17:23 AMSo effectively Tyrone's 15 v Kerry's 13 yesterday was really 13 v 13 because Tyrone had to keep 3 players back.
Hence the lack of Tyrone killer punch in that key 50th-60th minute period. The two black cards didn't really have much effect.
Kerry played better & managed the rules better during that 10 minutes.
Is that correct though? Surely Tyrone didn't need to keep 3 players back if Kerry only needed to keep one in the forward line. Do the rules not allow you to take the risk of playing all 15 players in the opposition half if you choose?
That's the rules. The full team need to keep 3 back at all times, the team with lesser numbers gets to drop players back. Completely stupid when you think these rules have been thought about for 1 year and no one thought about this.
That's mad considering the rule changes were to encourage players taking more risk, but they are prevented from doing so in this case
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 24, 2025, 11:20:25 AMQuote from: APM on February 24, 2025, 10:50:36 AMQuote from: Aaron Boone on February 24, 2025, 12:17:23 AMSo effectively Tyrone's 15 v Kerry's 13 yesterday was really 13 v 13 because Tyrone had to keep 3 players back.
Hence the lack of Tyrone killer punch in that key 50th-60th minute period. The two black cards didn't really have much effect.
Kerry played better & managed the rules better during that 10 minutes.
Is that correct though? Surely Tyrone didn't need to keep 3 players back if Kerry only needed to keep one in the forward line. Do the rules not allow you to take the risk of playing all 15 players in the opposition half if you choose?
That's the rules. The full team need to keep 3 back at all times, the team with lesser numbers gets to drop players back. Completely stupid when you think these rules have been thought about for 1 year and no one thought about this.
Would Tyrone not have been better pushing Morgan into the Kerry half full time during the black card and keeping one of the 3 defenders as sub keeper?
Yes they could, I mentioned pushing keeper way up on another thread. Apparently he just needs to be bck for the kickout if a point or wide recorded.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 24, 2025, 11:35:52 AMYes they could, I mentioned pushing keeper way up on another thread. Apparently he just needs to be bck for the kickout if a point or wide recorded.
Given that he clocked 10k in a previous game wouldn't have been an issue.
I think teams clock onto it in games going forward.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 24, 2025, 11:39:15 AMI think teams clock onto it in games going forward.
Yes they should do but the wider point is that the rule needs amended. A junior b goalkeeper not overly fit would be dead weight in that scenario and the penalty for ill discipline isn't as severe.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 24, 2025, 11:39:15 AMI think teams clock onto it in games going forward.
Something I've seen that will probably be used (during kickouts) is to have an attacking player sit inside the arc hoping for a break in the ball and being fed to you quickly, the keeper is making his way back and could catch him out, probably more in clubs games but if your keeper is up contesting for kickouts then the spare man inside will be an advantage
Quote from: APM on February 24, 2025, 11:24:02 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on February 24, 2025, 11:20:25 AMQuote from: APM on February 24, 2025, 10:50:36 AMQuote from: Aaron Boone on February 24, 2025, 12:17:23 AMSo effectively Tyrone's 15 v Kerry's 13 yesterday was really 13 v 13 because Tyrone had to keep 3 players back.
Hence the lack of Tyrone killer punch in that key 50th-60th minute period. The two black cards didn't really have much effect.
Kerry played better & managed the rules better during that 10 minutes.
Is that correct though? Surely Tyrone didn't need to keep 3 players back if Kerry only needed to keep one in the forward line. Do the rules not allow you to take the risk of playing all 15 players in the opposition half if you choose?
That's the rules. The full team need to keep 3 back at all times, the team with lesser numbers gets to drop players back. Completely stupid when you think these rules have been thought about for 1 year and no one thought about this.
That's mad considering the rule changes were to encourage players taking more risk, but they are prevented from doing so in this case
Yip completely mad. When kerry went down to 13 players Tyrone had only 12 players to attack with, as they had to keep 3 back. Kerry even though 2 men down could afford to defend with 12 men against tyrones 12 attackers. If Tyrone didn't bring morgan forward they would be attacking with 11 against 12 kerry defenders.
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 24, 2025, 11:53:21 AMQuote from: APM on February 24, 2025, 11:24:02 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on February 24, 2025, 11:20:25 AMQuote from: APM on February 24, 2025, 10:50:36 AMQuote from: Aaron Boone on February 24, 2025, 12:17:23 AMSo effectively Tyrone's 15 v Kerry's 13 yesterday was really 13 v 13 because Tyrone had to keep 3 players back.
Hence the lack of Tyrone killer punch in that key 50th-60th minute period. The two black cards didn't really have much effect.
Kerry played better & managed the rules better during that 10 minutes.
Is that correct though? Surely Tyrone didn't need to keep 3 players back if Kerry only needed to keep one in the forward line. Do the rules not allow you to take the risk of playing all 15 players in the opposition half if you choose?
That's the rules. The full team need to keep 3 back at all times, the team with lesser numbers gets to drop players back. Completely stupid when you think these rules have been thought about for 1 year and no one thought about this.
That's mad considering the rule changes were to encourage players taking more risk, but they are prevented from doing so in this case
Yip completely mad. When kerry went down to 13 players Tyrone had only 12 players to attack with, as they had to keep 3 back. Kerry even though 2 men down could afford to defend with 12 men against tyrones 12 attackers. If Tyrone didn't bring morgan forward they would be attacking with 11 against 12 kerry defenders.
I think losing the game was a Tyrone mismanagement thing rather than looking to the rules?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 24, 2025, 11:22:35 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on February 24, 2025, 11:20:25 AMQuote from: APM on February 24, 2025, 10:50:36 AMQuote from: Aaron Boone on February 24, 2025, 12:17:23 AMSo effectively Tyrone's 15 v Kerry's 13 yesterday was really 13 v 13 because Tyrone had to keep 3 players back.
Hence the lack of Tyrone killer punch in that key 50th-60th minute period. The two black cards didn't really have much effect.
Kerry played better & managed the rules better during that 10 minutes.
Is that correct though? Surely Tyrone didn't need to keep 3 players back if Kerry only needed to keep one in the forward line. Do the rules not allow you to take the risk of playing all 15 players in the opposition half if you choose?
That's the rules. The full team need to keep 3 back at all times, the team with lesser numbers gets to drop players back. Completely stupid when you think these rules have been thought about for 1 year and no one thought about this.
Did Kerry score goals when Tyrone had more defenders than they had forwards?
Did Kerry ever have less forwards I thought they maintained 12 v 12 at all times?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 24, 2025, 12:00:16 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on February 24, 2025, 11:53:21 AMQuote from: APM on February 24, 2025, 11:24:02 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on February 24, 2025, 11:20:25 AMQuote from: APM on February 24, 2025, 10:50:36 AMQuote from: Aaron Boone on February 24, 2025, 12:17:23 AMSo effectively Tyrone's 15 v Kerry's 13 yesterday was really 13 v 13 because Tyrone had to keep 3 players back.
Hence the lack of Tyrone killer punch in that key 50th-60th minute period. The two black cards didn't really have much effect.
Kerry played better & managed the rules better during that 10 minutes.
Is that correct though? Surely Tyrone didn't need to keep 3 players back if Kerry only needed to keep one in the forward line. Do the rules not allow you to take the risk of playing all 15 players in the opposition half if you choose?
That's the rules. The full team need to keep 3 back at all times, the team with lesser numbers gets to drop players back. Completely stupid when you think these rules have been thought about for 1 year and no one thought about this.
That's mad considering the rule changes were to encourage players taking more risk, but they are prevented from doing so in this case
Yip completely mad. When kerry went down to 13 players Tyrone had only 12 players to attack with, as they had to keep 3 back. Kerry even though 2 men down could afford to defend with 12 men against tyrones 12 attackers. If Tyrone didn't bring morgan forward they would be attacking with 11 against 12 kerry defenders.
I think losing the game was a Tyrone mismanagement thing rather than looking to the rules?
100% and no one is arguing otherwise however with the current rules you can afford to lose 2 players and not be negativity impacted is just stupid and needs changed.
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 24, 2025, 12:26:57 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 24, 2025, 12:00:16 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on February 24, 2025, 11:53:21 AMQuote from: APM on February 24, 2025, 11:24:02 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on February 24, 2025, 11:20:25 AMQuote from: APM on February 24, 2025, 10:50:36 AMQuote from: Aaron Boone on February 24, 2025, 12:17:23 AMSo effectively Tyrone's 15 v Kerry's 13 yesterday was really 13 v 13 because Tyrone had to keep 3 players back.
Hence the lack of Tyrone killer punch in that key 50th-60th minute period. The two black cards didn't really have much effect.
Kerry played better & managed the rules better during that 10 minutes.
Is that correct though? Surely Tyrone didn't need to keep 3 players back if Kerry only needed to keep one in the forward line. Do the rules not allow you to take the risk of playing all 15 players in the opposition half if you choose?
That's the rules. The full team need to keep 3 back at all times, the team with lesser numbers gets to drop players back. Completely stupid when you think these rules have been thought about for 1 year and no one thought about this.
That's mad considering the rule changes were to encourage players taking more risk, but they are prevented from doing so in this case
Yip completely mad. When kerry went down to 13 players Tyrone had only 12 players to attack with, as they had to keep 3 back. Kerry even though 2 men down could afford to defend with 12 men against tyrones 12 attackers. If Tyrone didn't bring morgan forward they would be attacking with 11 against 12 kerry defenders.
I think losing the game was a Tyrone mismanagement thing rather than looking to the rules?
100% and no one is arguing otherwise however with the current rules you can afford to lose 2 players and not be negativity impacted is just stupid and needs changed.
It's a tough one. Playing devil's advocate here. If you get a man sent off early and you have to defend in your own half with 10 outfield players for the rest of the game against an opposition's 12 attacking players (including the keeper) that could be game over straight away. So a red card effectively decides the game like has often been the case in rugby over the years. This is one of the reasons why the 20 minute red card is being trialled at the moment.
So I can see why the rule is there.
But can see the other side of it also.
Quote from: galwayman on February 24, 2025, 02:21:09 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on February 24, 2025, 12:26:57 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 24, 2025, 12:00:16 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on February 24, 2025, 11:53:21 AMQuote from: APM on February 24, 2025, 11:24:02 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on February 24, 2025, 11:20:25 AMQuote from: APM on February 24, 2025, 10:50:36 AMQuote from: Aaron Boone on February 24, 2025, 12:17:23 AMSo effectively Tyrone's 15 v Kerry's 13 yesterday was really 13 v 13 because Tyrone had to keep 3 players back.
Hence the lack of Tyrone killer punch in that key 50th-60th minute period. The two black cards didn't really have much effect.
Kerry played better & managed the rules better during that 10 minutes.
Is that correct though? Surely Tyrone didn't need to keep 3 players back if Kerry only needed to keep one in the forward line. Do the rules not allow you to take the risk of playing all 15 players in the opposition half if you choose?
That's the rules. The full team need to keep 3 back at all times, the team with lesser numbers gets to drop players back. Completely stupid when you think these rules have been thought about for 1 year and no one thought about this.
That's mad considering the rule changes were to encourage players taking more risk, but they are prevented from doing so in this case
Yip completely mad. When kerry went down to 13 players Tyrone had only 12 players to attack with, as they had to keep 3 back. Kerry even though 2 men down could afford to defend with 12 men against tyrones 12 attackers. If Tyrone didn't bring morgan forward they would be attacking with 11 against 12 kerry defenders.
I think losing the game was a Tyrone mismanagement thing rather than looking to the rules?
100% and no one is arguing otherwise however with the current rules you can afford to lose 2 players and not be negativity impacted is just stupid and needs changed.
It's a tough one. Playing devil's advocate here. If you get a man sent off early and you have to defend in your own half with 10 outfield players for the rest of the game against an opposition's 12 attacking players (including the keeper) that could be game over straight away. So a red card effectively decides the game like has often been the case in rugby over the years. This is one of the reasons why the 20 minute red card is being trialled at the moment.
So I can see why the rule is there.
But can see the other side of it also.
That's not the case. If you have a man sent off, you only need to keep two forwards up the pitch instead of three. But the defending team needs to always keep three defenders back, even if there is only 2 or even one player to mark
Quote from: weareros on February 22, 2025, 06:39:02 PMEnjoyable game but some poor misses from both teams.
Armagh back to doing what they were at two years ago, blowing up and throwing games away.
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 24, 2025, 02:59:25 PMQuote from: weareros on February 22, 2025, 06:39:02 PMEnjoyable game but some poor misses from both teams.
Armagh back to doing what they were at two years ago, blowing up and throwing games away.
Div 1 teams are all pretty able, you need to keep your concentration and workrate going throughout the game and Armagh have not.
Quote from: APM on February 24, 2025, 02:50:52 PMQuote from: galwayman on February 24, 2025, 02:21:09 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on February 24, 2025, 12:26:57 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 24, 2025, 12:00:16 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on February 24, 2025, 11:53:21 AMQuote from: APM on February 24, 2025, 11:24:02 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on February 24, 2025, 11:20:25 AMQuote from: APM on February 24, 2025, 10:50:36 AMQuote from: Aaron Boone on February 24, 2025, 12:17:23 AMSo effectively Tyrone's 15 v Kerry's 13 yesterday was really 13 v 13 because Tyrone had to keep 3 players back.
Hence the lack of Tyrone killer punch in that key 50th-60th minute period. The two black cards didn't really have much effect.
Kerry played better & managed the rules better during that 10 minutes.
Is that correct though? Surely Tyrone didn't need to keep 3 players back if Kerry only needed to keep one in the forward line. Do the rules not allow you to take the risk of playing all 15 players in the opposition half if you choose?
That's the rules. The full team need to keep 3 back at all times, the team with lesser numbers gets to drop players back. Completely stupid when you think these rules have been thought about for 1 year and no one thought about this.
That's mad considering the rule changes were to encourage players taking more risk, but they are prevented from doing so in this case
Yip completely mad. When kerry went down to 13 players Tyrone had only 12 players to attack with, as they had to keep 3 back. Kerry even though 2 men down could afford to defend with 12 men against tyrones 12 attackers. If Tyrone didn't bring morgan forward they would be attacking with 11 against 12 kerry defenders.
I think losing the game was a Tyrone mismanagement thing rather than looking to the rules?
100% and no one is arguing otherwise however with the current rules you can afford to lose 2 players and not be negativity impacted is just stupid and needs changed.
It's a tough one. Playing devil's advocate here. If you get a man sent off early and you have to defend in your own half with 10 outfield players for the rest of the game against an opposition's 12 attacking players (including the keeper) that could be game over straight away. So a red card effectively decides the game like has often been the case in rugby over the years. This is one of the reasons why the 20 minute red card is being trialled at the moment.
So I can see why the rule is there.
But can see the other side of it also.
That's not the case. If you have a man sent off, you only need to keep two forwards up the pitch instead of three. But the defending team needs to always keep three defenders back, even if there is only 2 or even one player to mark
McGuinness was asking this question after yesterday's game.
Galway were down two men for two different periods, but Donegal still had to keep three men back to mark one forward.
Quote from: APM on February 24, 2025, 02:50:52 PMQuote from: galwayman on February 24, 2025, 02:21:09 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on February 24, 2025, 12:26:57 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 24, 2025, 12:00:16 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on February 24, 2025, 11:53:21 AMQuote from: APM on February 24, 2025, 11:24:02 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on February 24, 2025, 11:20:25 AMQuote from: APM on February 24, 2025, 10:50:36 AMQuote from: Aaron Boone on February 24, 2025, 12:17:23 AMSo effectively Tyrone's 15 v Kerry's 13 yesterday was really 13 v 13 because Tyrone had to keep 3 players back.
Hence the lack of Tyrone killer punch in that key 50th-60th minute period. The two black cards didn't really have much effect.
Kerry played better & managed the rules better during that 10 minutes.
Is that correct though? Surely Tyrone didn't need to keep 3 players back if Kerry only needed to keep one in the forward line. Do the rules not allow you to take the risk of playing all 15 players in the opposition half if you choose?
That's the rules. The full team need to keep 3 back at all times, the team with lesser numbers gets to drop players back. Completely stupid when you think these rules have been thought about for 1 year and no one thought about this.
That's mad considering the rule changes were to encourage players taking more risk, but they are prevented from doing so in this case
Yip completely mad. When kerry went down to 13 players Tyrone had only 12 players to attack with, as they had to keep 3 back. Kerry even though 2 men down could afford to defend with 12 men against tyrones 12 attackers. If Tyrone didn't bring morgan forward they would be attacking with 11 against 12 kerry defenders.
I think losing the game was a Tyrone mismanagement thing rather than looking to the rules?
100% and no one is arguing otherwise however with the current rules you can afford to lose 2 players and not be negativity impacted is just stupid and needs changed.
It's a tough one. Playing devil's advocate here. If you get a man sent off early and you have to defend in your own half with 10 outfield players for the rest of the game against an opposition's 12 attacking players (including the keeper) that could be game over straight away. So a red card effectively decides the game like has often been the case in rugby over the years. This is one of the reasons why the 20 minute red card is being trialled at the moment.
So I can see why the rule is there.
But can see the other side of it also.
That's not the case. If you have a man sent off, you only need to keep two forwards up the pitch instead of three. But the defending team needs to always keep three defenders back, even if there is only 2 or even one player to mark
I know that. My point was if that wasn't in place (and you still had to keep three up top after having a man red or black carded) you would be defending with 10 outfield players in your own half against an opposition who have 12 (once they bring up the goalie). At the top level that means a red card effectively decides a game. Which is what they are trying to avoid with the rule the way it is.
Not saying this because we benefitted yesterday either by the way. I'm just thinking of the overall effect of changing thet rule.
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 24, 2025, 12:26:57 PM[
100% and no one is arguing otherwise however with the current rules you can afford to lose 2 players and not be negativity impacted is just stupid and needs changed.
Of course they were negatively impacted. In Kerry's case they either had to attack with two fewer players or they had to leave two Tyrone forwards scot free on the half way line and be screwed by a quick kickpass if they lost possession. In attack they can't transition quick because they're outnumbered 3 to 1 on the far side of the field
Obviously it's less of a negative impact than it was last year, that's undebateable. However if you change the rule and the penalized team must keep 3 up and back then it becomes a much greater impact than last year
Not saying one is right or one is wrong. The team I support generally has an excellent disciplinary record so I should probably be wanting the latter
Not saying Tyrone are a dirty team in the slightest but their displinary record would be slightly worse than the D1 average for the past few years. It's a case of careful what you wish for
Quote from: Manning18 on February 25, 2025, 12:16:07 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on February 24, 2025, 12:26:57 PM[
100% and no one is arguing otherwise however with the current rules you can afford to lose 2 players and not be negativity impacted is just stupid and needs changed.
Of course they were negatively impacted. In Kerry's case they either had to attack with two fewer players or they had to leave two Tyrone forwards scot free on the half way line and be screwed by a quick kickpass if they lost possession. In attack they can't transition quick because they're outnumbered 3 to 1 on the far side of the field
Obviously it's less of a negative impact than it was last year, that's undebateable. However if you change the rule and the penalized team must keep 3 up and back then it becomes a much greater impact than last year
Not saying one is right or one is wrong. The team I support generally has an excellent disciplinary record so I should probably be wanting the latter
Not saying Tyrone are a dirty team in the slightest but their displinary record would be slightly worse than the D1 average for the past few years. It's a case of careful what you wish for
If you can lose 2 men and can still defend with the same number of people as the attacking team then you are not impacted. All kerry had to do in that 10 min period was to slow the game down and not concede any points which they successfully did. They they are back up to full strength.
The point of losing players is so that there is a reward for the more disciplined team e.g a greater chance of scoring which there no longer is.
Also these rules changes were supposed to speed up the game. Now any team with a few men down will simply sit back and defend with the same number of players as the attacking team.
Armagh v Dublin sold out by the looks of it
Yep you can defend with the same number but like I said it screws you on the transition attack as you're completely outnumbered up the field
But yeah it probably should and will be changed. It will then become a greater penalty than it was under the old rules, and referees will decide far more games with red & black card decisions than they did previously. I just hope some people and especially managers who complain about referees at the best of times are ready for that
Quote from: Manning18 on February 25, 2025, 10:58:52 AMYep you can defend with the same number but like I said it screws you on the transition attack as you're completely outnumbered up the field
But yeah it probably should and will be changed. It will then become a greater penalty than it was under the old rules, and referees will decide far more games with red & black card decisions than they did previously. I just hope some people and especially managers who complain about referees at the best of times are ready for that
Be careful what you wish for in this instance.
Do people seriously want a rule that forces teams to leave 3 up top if they have someone red carded? That means 12 attackers vs 10 outfield defenders. So a red card will effectively decide the game.
That's far worse than the rule that's there now.
It will completely ruin games.
This is the problem when the powers that be start to get too prescriptive about positions on a pitch.
Quote from: galwayman on February 25, 2025, 11:13:13 AMQuote from: Manning18 on February 25, 2025, 10:58:52 AMYep you can defend with the same number but like I said it screws you on the transition attack as you're completely outnumbered up the field
But yeah it probably should and will be changed. It will then become a greater penalty than it was under the old rules, and referees will decide far more games with red & black card decisions than they did previously. I just hope some people and especially managers who complain about referees at the best of times are ready for that
Be careful what you wish for in this instance.
Do people seriously want a rule that forces teams to leave 3 up top if they have someone red carded? That means 12 attackers vs 10 outfield defenders. So a red card will effectively decide the game.
That's far worse than the rule that's there now.
It will completely ruin games.
Yeah but you can;t have it both ways and that's the way it is now. Should it not depend on who is sent off?
Quote from: Manning18 on February 25, 2025, 10:58:52 AMYep you can defend with the same number but like I said it screws you on the transition attack as you're completely outnumbered up the field
But yeah it probably should and will be changed. It will then become a greater penalty than it was under the old rules, and referees will decide far more games with red & black card decisions than they did previously. I just hope some people and especially managers who complain about referees at the best of times are ready for that
This bit in bold, explain it a bit further as I'm at a loss here...
The referee will apply a card if needs be for the ACTION ONF THE PLAYER... It is down to the players poor decisions in the game that decide whether his team finishes with 15 players or not.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 25, 2025, 01:28:10 PMQuote from: Manning18 on February 25, 2025, 10:58:52 AMYep you can defend with the same number but like I said it screws you on the transition attack as you're completely outnumbered up the field
But yeah it probably should and will be changed. It will then become a greater penalty than it was under the old rules, and referees will decide far more games with red & black card decisions than they did previously. I just hope some people and especially managers who complain about referees at the best of times are ready for that
This bit in bold, explain it a bit further as I'm at a loss here...
The referee will apply a card if needs be for the ACTION ONF THE PLAYER... It is down to the players poor decisions in the game that decide whether his team finishes with 15 players or not.
Lol I'm fully with you here MR2.
All too many of our own don't want independent arbitration of games, they just want every blow of a whistle to go their way, and someone to blame when even that is not enough.
Quote from: bennydorano on February 25, 2025, 10:54:39 AMArmagh v Dublin sold out by the looks of it
It wasn't possible to buy tickets for a brief time earlier in the week but they came back on sale again.
Whilst the crowd will be very big, it's not going to be a total sellout.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 25, 2025, 01:28:10 PMQuote from: Manning18 on February 25, 2025, 10:58:52 AMYep you can defend with the same number but like I said it screws you on the transition attack as you're completely outnumbered up the field
But yeah it probably should and will be changed. It will then become a greater penalty than it was under the old rules, and referees will decide far more games with red & black card decisions than they did previously. I just hope some people and especially managers who complain about referees at the best of times are ready for that
This bit in bold, explain it a bit further as I'm at a loss here...
The referee will apply a card if needs be for the ACTION ONF THE PLAYER... It is down to the players poor decisions in the game that decide whether his team finishes with 15 players or not.
A very simple example is Sunday just past where Tierney goes for a shoulder, a player ducks into him at the last second and its ambigious even on slow motion camera afterwards whether there's contact with the head
Nobody truly 100% knows if that's a redcard or not. All pundits on TG4 said afterwads it wasn't. Reaction is more split online, probably 70/30 in favour of it not being a red
However the referee and linesman took an interpretation and gave the red. Under changed rules that decision will very likely decide a game between two even teams in championship. Under the current red card rules its less likely to
Quote from: Manning18 on February 25, 2025, 03:58:09 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 25, 2025, 01:28:10 PMQuote from: Manning18 on February 25, 2025, 10:58:52 AMYep you can defend with the same number but like I said it screws you on the transition attack as you're completely outnumbered up the field
But yeah it probably should and will be changed. It will then become a greater penalty than it was under the old rules, and referees will decide far more games with red & black card decisions than they did previously. I just hope some people and especially managers who complain about referees at the best of times are ready for that
This bit in bold, explain it a bit further as I'm at a loss here...
The referee will apply a card if needs be for the ACTION ONF THE PLAYER... It is down to the players poor decisions in the game that decide whether his team finishes with 15 players or not.
A very simple example is Sunday just past where Tierney goes for a shoulder, a player ducks into him at the last second and its ambigious even on slow motion camera afterwards whether there's contact with the head
Nobody truly 100% knows if that's a redcard or not. All pundits on TG4 said afterwads it wasn't. Reaction is more split online, probably 70/30 in favour of it not being a red
However the referee and linesman took an interpretation and gave the red. Under changed rules that decision will very likely decide a game between two even teams in championship. Under the current red card rules its less likely to
Pundits nearly always say what they think should happen not what the rules say should happen.
Quote from: Manning18 on February 25, 2025, 03:58:09 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 25, 2025, 01:28:10 PMQuote from: Manning18 on February 25, 2025, 10:58:52 AMYep you can defend with the same number but like I said it screws you on the transition attack as you're completely outnumbered up the field
But yeah it probably should and will be changed. It will then become a greater penalty than it was under the old rules, and referees will decide far more games with red & black card decisions than they did previously. I just hope some people and especially managers who complain about referees at the best of times are ready for that
This bit in bold, explain it a bit further as I'm at a loss here...
The referee will apply a card if needs be for the ACTION ONF THE PLAYER... It is down to the players poor decisions in the game that decide whether his team finishes with 15 players or not.
A very simple example is Sunday just past where Tierney goes for a shoulder, a player ducks into him at the last second and its ambigious even on slow motion camera afterwards whether there's contact with the head
Nobody truly 100% knows if that's a redcard or not. All pundits on TG4 said afterwads it wasn't. Reaction is more split online, probably 70/30 in favour of it not being a red
However the referee and linesman took an interpretation and gave the red. Under changed rules that decision will very likely decide a game between two even teams in championship. Under the current red card rules its less likely to
That's it in a nutshell.
If they changed it to make teams that are down a man leave 3 up top then this is exactly what would happen.
The team with 15 men will almost always win as it will be just too easy to pick off the opposition.
Quote from: Manning18 on February 25, 2025, 03:58:09 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 25, 2025, 01:28:10 PMQuote from: Manning18 on February 25, 2025, 10:58:52 AMYep you can defend with the same number but like I said it screws you on the transition attack as you're completely outnumbered up the field
But yeah it probably should and will be changed. It will then become a greater penalty than it was under the old rules, and referees will decide far more games with red & black card decisions than they did previously. I just hope some people and especially managers who complain about referees at the best of times are ready for that
This bit in bold, explain it a bit further as I'm at a loss here...
The referee will apply a card if needs be for the ACTION ONF THE PLAYER... It is down to the players poor decisions in the game that decide whether his team finishes with 15 players or not.
A very simple example is Sunday just past where Tierney goes for a shoulder, a player ducks into him at the last second and its ambigious even on slow motion camera afterwards whether there's contact with the head
Nobody truly 100% knows if that's a redcard or not. All pundits on TG4 said afterwads it wasn't. Reaction is more split online, probably 70/30 in favour of it not being a red
However the referee and linesman took an interpretation and gave the red. Under changed rules that decision will very likely decide a game between two even teams in championship. Under the current red card rules its less likely to
As said when it came out, I haven't seen the view on the sideline from where the linesman intervened, maybe he seen something different, from what I saw it looked very very harsh..
I hope the camera angle provides a better view and a players ban is not given.
It is still the duty of the players to play within the rules and there will be calls that one team will think is correct and the other team won't.
To say the ref will decide far more games is wrong, and we can highlight thousands of calls that the players carry out in games that highlight their stupidity and do that themselves.
You only have to watch the same game that Joyce gave the look to the lad that stupidly received a black card. I'd say confidently that I'll find 10x or more where the player is at fault
It appears Derry are struggling this year with having to defend without the whole team. behind the ball. At least the new rules are exposing how a lot of players are not really players at all.
Quote from: JPO on February 25, 2025, 07:17:21 PMIt appears Derry are struggling this year with having to defend without the whole team. behind the ball. At least the new rules are exposing how a lot of players are not really players at all.
That and missing 4 of the players that have been mainstays of the defense over this past few years, 3 of those 4 being All Stars.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 25, 2025, 05:50:56 PMQuote from: Manning18 on February 25, 2025, 03:58:09 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 25, 2025, 01:28:10 PMQuote from: Manning18 on February 25, 2025, 10:58:52 AMYep you can defend with the same number but like I said it screws you on the transition attack as you're completely outnumbered up the field
But yeah it probably should and will be changed. It will then become a greater penalty than it was under the old rules, and referees will decide far more games with red & black card decisions than they did previously. I just hope some people and especially managers who complain about referees at the best of times are ready for that
This bit in bold, explain it a bit further as I'm at a loss here...
The referee will apply a card if needs be for the ACTION ONF THE PLAYER... It is down to the players poor decisions in the game that decide whether his team finishes with 15 players or not.
A very simple example is Sunday just past where Tierney goes for a shoulder, a player ducks into him at the last second and its ambigious even on slow motion camera afterwards whether there's contact with the head
Nobody truly 100% knows if that's a redcard or not. All pundits on TG4 said afterwads it wasn't. Reaction is more split online, probably 70/30 in favour of it not being a red
However the referee and linesman took an interpretation and gave the red. Under changed rules that decision will very likely decide a game between two even teams in championship. Under the current red card rules its less likely to
As said when it came out, I haven't seen the view on the sideline from where the linesman intervened, maybe he seen something different, from what I saw it looked very very harsh..
I hope the camera angle provides a better view and a players ban is not given.
It is still the duty of the players to play within the rules and there will be calls that one team will think is correct and the other team won't.
To say the ref will decide far more games is wrong, and we can highlight thousands of calls that the players carry out in games that highlight their stupidity and do that themselves.
You only have to watch the same game that Joyce gave the look to the lad that stupidly received a black card. I'd say confidently that I'll find 10x or more where the player is at fault
You're misunderstanding what both myself and galwayman are saying here. "the ref decided the game" is obviously just a sketchy catch all term but in the past there's been borderline red cards that a ref has given out that has swung a tight game one way or the other, that's indisputable. Its happened in every sport
The overall point is that if they change the rules to make 3 players always stay back when attacking and stay forward when defending regardless of red cards then sending offs will much more impactful than under the old rules. And thus a dodgy or plain incorrect sending off decision by a referee will have a much greater impact on the game than previously.
Nobody is suggesting that the overwhelming majority of red cards arent the players fault and responsibility, or suggesting that refs don't get the vast majority of red card decisions correct
Would have been better understood had you just said... If a player is sent off or black carded it'll have a negative effect on the game...
Are people suggesting that the way it is right now is working? The game is mostly played against a set defence, so if there is no disadvantage to having a player sent off (cause it's still 12 v 12) what's the penalty for a red card?
Quote from: StephenC on February 26, 2025, 08:44:11 AMAre people suggesting that the way it is right now is working? The game is mostly played against a set defence, so if there is no disadvantage to having a player sent off (cause it's still 12 v 12) what's the penalty for a red card?
Seems to be the flaw in thinking, it has been brought up by that group, keeping the keeper in the large rectangle if you go a man down?
Is the easiest way to rectify this, not to allow the opposing team to match what the team with man black or red carded have? Ie. If the team with the black card only leave 2 forwards up, then the opposing team can make the call to use the spare man defensively or offensively just like before. Or am I missing something?
Ah bck to the old way witj a man send off, with 14 v 14 and goalkeeper barely venturing by their own 45, outside Morgan,Began,Lynch.
Quote from: HiMucker on February 26, 2025, 09:15:33 AMIs the easiest way to rectify this, not to allow the opposing team to match what the team with man black or red carded have? Ie. If the team with the black card only leave 2 forwards up, then the opposing team can make the call to use the spare man defensively or offensively just like before. Or am I missing something?
That's exactly what I would have thought and can't understand why it wasn't done like this in the first place! Like you, I'm wondering if I'm missing something!
Quote from: APM on February 26, 2025, 10:36:10 AMQuote from: HiMucker on February 26, 2025, 09:15:33 AMIs the easiest way to rectify this, not to allow the opposing team to match what the team with man black or red carded have? Ie. If the team with the black card only leave 2 forwards up, then the opposing team can make the call to use the spare man defensively or offensively just like before. Or am I missing something?
That's exactly what I would have thought and can't understand why it wasn't done like this in the first place! Like you, I'm wondering if I'm missing something!
Kerry had two men off, with 3 Tyrone players having to be back marking one forward. What if it was 3 players off, would they have had to have 3 back marking no one lol? If I have got this correct Id say its something that they have just completely over looked and will surely correct it.
That's the good thing about having a one year trial of the "Enhanced" rules.
Hear Rian o'Neill was back at training last night.
Quote from: bennydorano on February 26, 2025, 01:03:01 PMHear Rian o'Neill was back at training last night.
That's the stuff.
If we get him and McKay back we're laughing.
Quote from: bennydorano on February 26, 2025, 01:03:01 PMHear Rian o'Neill was back at training last night.
Believe so
Saw Oisín Saturday night so hopefully both guys getting back
Would an another Armagh Galway All Ireland final be the final nail in the coffin for gaelic football?
How in any manner would that affect the future of the GAA
Quote from: JPO on February 26, 2025, 07:34:03 PMWould an another Armagh Galway All Ireland final be the final nail in the coffin for gaelic football?
More than happy with this tbh
Quote from: JPO on February 26, 2025, 07:34:03 PMWould an another Armagh Galway All Ireland final be the final nail in the coffin for gaelic football?
One of the stupidest posts ever on this board and that's saying something!
I've been on here for nigh on 20 years.
Quote from: screenexile on February 26, 2025, 11:02:56 PMQuote from: JPO on February 26, 2025, 07:34:03 PMWould an another Armagh Galway All Ireland final be the final nail in the coffin for gaelic football?
One of the stupidest posts ever on this board and that's saying something!
I've been on here for nigh on 20 years.
I second that. Makes no sense whatsoever...
Well all the wankers in the media would cry their eyes out if neither Dublin nor Kerry got to a final again...
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 27, 2025, 07:32:21 AMWell all the wankers in the media would cry their eyes out if neither Dublin nor Kerry got to a final again...
I would love if this happened. I'm convinced the rules wouldn't have been changed if Dublin or Kerry had dominated the past few years. That being said last year's all ireland final was a poor spectacle for a neutral. I was at it and the atmosphere was great until the ball was thrown in.
Quote from: Mario on February 27, 2025, 09:06:28 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on February 27, 2025, 07:32:21 AMWell all the wankers in the media would cry their eyes out if neither Dublin nor Kerry got to a final again...
I would love if this happened. I'm convinced the rules wouldn't have been changed if Dublin or Kerry had dominated the past few years. That being said last year's all ireland final was a poor spectacle for a neutral. I was at it and the atmosphere was great until the ball was thrown in.
The final was very poor in fairness and it is the showpiece fixture of the sport but that said the semifinal against Kerry was highly entertaining, the Ulster final also.
Cahair O'Kane stated in a recent article that if Galway were an Ulster team they would be getting considerably more stick for the way they play.
Can't really comment on the final as the heart rate was at about 180 bpm the whole time. Yes we set up defensively but felt we attacked with a lot more purpose than Galway did, their first score they played around with the ball for ages before the shot was on, contrast it to ours where Conaty got the ball and went at the defender.
Some of the long range shooting that day was unreal, Conroy had a few nice scores, Rian and Oisin O'Neills points were as good as your likely to see anywhere as was Grimleys with the man hanging off him.
The drama at the end with posts being hit and that block was unreal too. (So much so that I don't remember a lot of the sideways lateral crap) but I totally get that for a neutral a lot of the game was probably boring.
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 27, 2025, 11:07:32 AMCan't really comment on the final as the heart rate was at about 180 bpm the whole time. Yes we set up defensively but felt we attacked with a lot more purpose than Galway did, their first score they played around with the ball for ages before the shot was on, contrast it to ours where Conaty got the ball and went at the defender.
Some of the long range shooting that day was unreal, Conroy had a few nice scores, Rian and Oisin O'Neills points were as good as your likely to see anywhere as was Grimleys with the man hanging off him.
The drama at the end with posts being hit and that block was unreal too. (So much so that I don't remember a lot of the sideways lateral crap) but I totally get that for a neutral a lot of the game was probably boring.
I blame the injured Seagull it made some viewers forget it was a final decided on fine margins with a number of outstanding scores. Wasn't a whole lot wrong with the competitive nature and interest of the All Ireland championship when you had Armagh reaching a first semi-final since 2005 and then going on to win Sam Maguire.
I know the final this year wasn't a classic, but it is being seriously blown out of proportion.
Looking back throughout the last 10 years you could argue it wasn't as bad as the below finals.
2021 - Tyrone/Mayo. Mayo put up a fight for 35 mins. Second half Mayo fold and Tyrone win. Damp squib to finish
2020- Dublin/Mayo. Dublin score quickest ever goal in an AI Final and that is all she rote. COVID season. Underwhelming
2018- Tyrone/Dublin. Foregone conclusion before a ball was kicked. Bright start for Tyrone casts a little doubt, although Niall Morgan brain fart puts a halt to proceedings after around 15 mins. Waste of time
2015 - Dublin/Kerry. Labeled as a blockbuster. Revenge surly on Kerry's mind after Dublin nipping them a few years prior. Very poor spectacle played in poor conditions. Highlighted by the fact Dublin Corner Back Philly McMahon outscored arguably Kerry's main scoring threat by 1 point to 0. Doesn't live long in the memory
2014- Kerry/Donegal. Probably the worst of the lot. Everything about this game was dead. Decided by a goalkeeping error. A real snooze fest.
Quote from: samuel maguire on February 27, 2025, 01:52:28 PMI know the final this year wasn't a classic, but it is being seriously blown out of proportion.
Looking back throughout the last 10 years you could argue it wasn't as bad as the below finals.
2021 - Tyrone/Mayo. Mayo put up a fight for 35 mins. Second half Mayo fold and Tyrone win. Damp squib to finish
2020- Dublin/Mayo. Dublin score quickest ever goal in an AI Final and that is all she rote. COVID season. Underwhelming
2018- Tyrone/Dublin. Foregone conclusion before a ball was kicked. Bright start for Tyrone casts a little doubt, although Niall Morgan brain fart puts a halt to proceedings after around 15 mins. Waste of time
2015 - Dublin/Kerry. Labeled as a blockbuster. Revenge surly on Kerry's mind after Dublin nipping them a few years prior. Very poor spectacle played in poor conditions. Highlighted by the fact Dublin Corner Back Philly McMahon outscored arguably Kerry's main scoring threat by 1 point to 0. Doesn't live long in the memory
2014- Kerry/Donegal. Probably the worst of the lot. Everything about this game was dead. Decided by a goalkeeping error. A real snooze fest.
Would agree with a number of the finals including Tyrone Dublin but very harsh including Tyrone Mayo on that list. Fairly high scoring with some great scores and few goals thrown in. Was a contest for most of the game. Tyrone's second goal came after an hour to put them 5 up and was only then you felt Tyrone had it. Even then it was back to 3 points with 5 mins to go,
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on February 27, 2025, 01:57:59 PMQuote from: samuel maguire on February 27, 2025, 01:52:28 PMI know the final this year wasn't a classic, but it is being seriously blown out of proportion.
Looking back throughout the last 10 years you could argue it wasn't as bad as the below finals.
2021 - Tyrone/Mayo. Mayo put up a fight for 35 mins. Second half Mayo fold and Tyrone win. Damp squib to finish
2020- Dublin/Mayo. Dublin score quickest ever goal in an AI Final and that is all she rote. COVID season. Underwhelming
2018- Tyrone/Dublin. Foregone conclusion before a ball was kicked. Bright start for Tyrone casts a little doubt, although Niall Morgan brain fart puts a halt to proceedings after around 15 mins. Waste of time
2015 - Dublin/Kerry. Labeled as a blockbuster. Revenge surly on Kerry's mind after Dublin nipping them a few years prior. Very poor spectacle played in poor conditions. Highlighted by the fact Dublin Corner Back Philly McMahon outscored arguably Kerry's main scoring threat by 1 point to 0. Doesn't live long in the memory
2014- Kerry/Donegal. Probably the worst of the lot. Everything about this game was dead. Decided by a goalkeeping error. A real snooze fest.
Would agree with a number of the finals including Tyrone Dublin but very harsh including Tyrone Mayo on that list. Fairly high scoring with some great scores and few goals thrown in. Was a contest for most of the game. Tyrone's second goal came after an hour to put them 5 up and was only then you felt Tyrone had it. Even then it was back to 3 points with 5 mins to go,
Apologies if i got that wrong re Tyrone/Mayo. That was the day I stopped having a soft spot for Mayo. I used to always think they were just really unlucky, until they absolutely filled their togs vs Tyrone that year.
It felt like there was only going to be one winner from about 20 minutes in. I know they missed the penalty but Tyrone just seemed to want it more.
The only curse in Mayo is the lack off balls they have
Quote from: JPO on February 26, 2025, 07:34:03 PMWould an another Armagh Galway All Ireland final be the final nail in the coffin for gaelic football?
In what sense?
Quote from: samuel maguire on February 27, 2025, 01:52:28 PMI know the final this year wasn't a classic, but it is being seriously blown out of proportion.
Looking back throughout the last 10 years you could argue it wasn't as bad as the below finals.
2021 - Tyrone/Mayo. Mayo put up a fight for 35 mins. Second half Mayo fold and Tyrone win. Damp squib to finish
2020- Dublin/Mayo. Dublin score quickest ever goal in an AI Final and that is all she rote. COVID season. Underwhelming
2018- Tyrone/Dublin. Foregone conclusion before a ball was kicked. Bright start for Tyrone casts a little doubt, although Niall Morgan brain fart puts a halt to proceedings after around 15 mins. Waste of time
2015 - Dublin/Kerry. Labeled as a blockbuster. Revenge surly on Kerry's mind after Dublin nipping them a few years prior. Very poor spectacle played in poor conditions. Highlighted by the fact Dublin Corner Back Philly McMahon outscored arguably Kerry's main scoring threat by 1 point to 0. Doesn't live long in the memory
2014- Kerry/Donegal. Probably the worst of the lot. Everything about this game was dead. Decided by a goalkeeping error. A real snooze fest.
You left out the drawn 2016 final. Such error ridden match including Rock kicking scorable frees a long the ground or wide. Top quality players in Fenton,Connolly remarkably struggled with the basics of the game on the day as Dublin managed to score a mere 0-9 of their own and in the end thankful Mayo scored two bizarre own-goals. Mayo along with 1996 Finals are sure to look back in anger and frustration at those finals the most.
I suppose it was hard to live up to the Hurling final ;)
It was crap and we leave it at that.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 27, 2025, 02:46:39 PMIt was crap and we leave it at that.
Was the best final since 2002 and we leave it at that
I don't blame Armagh for the awful spectacle. They can play brilliant football at times but faced with Galways defensive setup they had little choice. Joyce should be ashamed as he has some of the best forwards in the game and refuses to let his players kick the ball into them.He lost that final not the players. Armagh deserved to win and I was glad to seem them win. However was there ever a final in any sport , anywhere in the world , where the only topic of discussion after it was about a seagull?
Quote from: JPO on February 27, 2025, 07:50:50 PMI don't blame Armagh for the awful spectacle. They can play brilliant football at times but faced with Galways defensive setup they had little choice. Joyce should be ashamed as he has some of the best forwards in the game and refuses to let his players kick the ball into them.He lost that final not the players. Armagh deserved to win and I was glad to seem them win. However was there ever a final in any sport , anywhere in the world , where the only topic of discussion after it was about a seagull?
Joyce said exactly the same thing about Armagh. They didn't kick the ball in because they had everyone back.
Was just one of those games where both sides set up similarly and cancelled each other out. Armagh got the only goal and Galway missed chances they were scoring all year.
Quote from: JPO on February 27, 2025, 07:50:50 PMI don't blame Armagh for the awful spectacle. They can play brilliant football at times but faced with Galways defensive setup they had little choice. Joyce should be ashamed as he has some of the best forwards in the game and refuses to let his players kick the ball into them.He lost that final not the players. Armagh deserved to win and I was glad to seem them win. However was there ever a final in any sport , anywhere in the world , where the only topic of discussion after it was about a seagull?
Some craic
Quote from: lurganblue on February 28, 2025, 02:12:20 PMQuote from: JPO on February 27, 2025, 07:50:50 PMI don't blame Armagh for the awful spectacle. They can play brilliant football at times but faced with Galways defensive setup they had little choice. Joyce should be ashamed as he has some of the best forwards in the game and refuses to let his players kick the ball into them.He lost that final not the players. Armagh deserved to win and I was glad to seem them win. However was there ever a final in any sport , anywhere in the world , where the only topic of discussion after it was about a seagull?
Some craic
Does anyone know what happened to that seagull? I've often wondered if it's ok.
Galway v Tyrone - Nice of Galway to move the game to north Galway to shorten the trip for the travelling Tyrone fans. Tyrone usually pull one massive result out of the bag in every league campaign. Can't see it happening this week though away to Galway. Galway by 3
Donegal v Derry - Derry have shown that they don't belong in this division and should struggle away to Donegal. Derrys only hope is that Donegal out out a significantly weaker team which is possible. Donegal by 7 though.
Mayo v Kerry - Mayo perhaps lucky to be on 3 points at the moment. Kerry maybe the same on 4. Clifford could run riot here though. Kerry by 8.
Armagh v Dublin - packed house expected in the City of Armagh this weekend. Expecting sales of Linden Village and Buckfast to be at an all time high in the off licenses pre game. Dublin by 7.
Quote from: JPO on February 26, 2025, 07:34:03 PMWould an another Armagh Galway All Ireland final be the final nail in the coffin for gaelic football?
If all the villages in Ireland sent their village idiot to live in one village, you sir would be the village idiot in that village.
A pity Mayo v Kerry has no TV coverage or is streamed.
Listening to Kerry radio early stages Mayo leading 0-8 to 0-3.
Mayo dominating midfield and the breaks they say. They can't understand the Kerry players standing off their men, Mayo with 0-11 to 0-3 lead the latest.
Half time Mayo 0-14 Kerry 1-4. Kingdom with 1-1 before the break. Mayo with a two pointer to finish the half.
After 50 minutes. Mayo 0-16 Kerry 1-9
60 minutes on the clock David Clifford two pointer has Kerry in front 1-15 to 0-17.
Full Time Mayo 0-21 Kerry 1-16
Great result for Mayo. Sounded like a hell of a game, helter skelter football
Armagh hammering a poor Dub team
How bad have Derry got based on this.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 01, 2025, 07:54:32 PMHow bad have Derry got based on this.
Sean bugler is just that good
Helped nobody was marking him.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 01, 2025, 07:54:32 PMHow bad have Derry got based on this.
Yes, because that's how team sports / performances works week on week you melt
Too many of these games has seen teams get up big leads. Not sure 2pter a benefit to the game. Rather see it from play behind the 45m,there not be many of them but they all be clinkers.
Dubs not know how to tackle.
Armagh are looking good. Dublin haven't turned up yet
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 01, 2025, 08:03:13 PMToo many of these games has seen teams get up big leads. Not sure 2pter a benefit to the game. Rather see it from play behind the 45m,there not be many of them but they all be clinkers.
Think only one of ours was there.
Armagh have been very impressive but that's probably Dublin's poorest performance in 15 odd years maybe more!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 01, 2025, 08:03:13 PMToo many of these games has seen teams get up big leads. Not sure 2pter a benefit to the game. Rather see it from play behind the 45m,there not be many of them but they all be clinkers.
There's no wind worth talking about 2nite tho, Dublin just being blown away. Only 1 x 2pter
Everything that's wrong with the league. Get a few early wins to get you to six points, then do your best to duck out of the final.
All talk of who Dublin are missing.
Armagh missing 3 from defence, McKay Kelly Forker
Both midfielders, Crealey Grimley
2 half fwds, ONeill McElroy
Quote from: 5times5times on March 01, 2025, 08:21:29 PMAll talk of who Dublin are missing.
Armagh missing 3 from defence, McKay Kelly Forker
Both midfielders, Crealey Grimley
2 half fwds, ONeill McElroy
Back to back titles
Ross mcquillan a quality player
Tyrone & Derry adrift at the bottom.
20 sec rule another shit rule not even 20secs that one.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 01, 2025, 08:33:39 PM20 sec rule another shit rule not even 20secs that one.
Very harsh here both time comerford has kicked it around the 20 sec mark. Not like he'd be time wasting here.
Rafferty's ridiculous it was about 15 sec
The kickout thing tonite is farcical. Don't think time for kick-outs was a real issue...
I still don't see what benefit a 2pter free is to the game. All the effort to make a goal for 3pts and u can get 2pts any good free kicker can hit.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 01, 2025, 08:33:39 PM20 sec rule another shit rule not even 20secs that one.
But how many times ya hear people complaining on the kickouts? Loads how long Ref!! Is the cry
Ref not as strict on 4 steps as he is on the 20 second kickout. These technical rules are punished far more than physical and tactical fouling.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 01, 2025, 08:38:04 PMI still don't see what benefit a 2pter free is to the game. All the effort to make a goal for 3pts and u can get 2pts any good free kicker can hit.
Goal 4 points would fix that maybe
Dubs are 5 points down now
The clock on these substitutes still running
I feel sorry for Dublin fans tonight. That first half in Armagh must have been painful to watch. The problem was simply kick outs. I've seen too many games in which one team can't get the ball. The punishment for being scored on is too harsh.
Now it's the second half and it's clear that it will be all Dublin. Being an Armagh fan, I spared myself the torture and turned the tv off. And this is on a calm night! When your team is playing against the wind...don't bother tuning in!
Amazing what a mess they can make of a game that looked pretty good to me last year. Beware progressives who feel they've a right undo 130 years of tradition.
A big win for Armagh. Looks to be Tyrone going down with Derry now.
People chatting as if armagh have already won, am I watching on RTE+1 because there's still 10 minutes left?
Why was the Dublin point that should have been 1-12 for them eventually disallowed. Did the Referee listen to the crowd?
Quote from: clarshack on March 01, 2025, 09:02:39 PMWhy was the Dublin point that should have been 1-12 for them eventually disallowed. Did the Referee listen to the crowd?
Think was a linesman called it
This is poor shit
I think that was wide.
Would like to have behind goals view of the 3 up issue. It didn't sound correct.
Goodnight Tyrone & Derry. Relegation beckons...
Fair Shoulder to shoulder hit on Rafferty from Con - goes down holding his head......
After a fair bit of football played, new keeper rule and the tap and go would be the only ones I'd keep. Was farcical at stages tonight, club games will be very eventful
Seems like the vanishing foam and related
rules are pointless, there were a few frees on 20m line for 3v3 infractions, but the players were nearly on 13m line when they kicked them.
Quote from: Truthsayer on March 01, 2025, 09:11:14 PMGoodnight Tyrone & Derry. Relegation beckons...
It's certainly bleak for them. Tyrone will get their usual stuffing in Tuam tomorrow so that leaves them needing to beat Dublin & Donegal to reach 6 points.
That 20 second rule for the kick out is pure shit. Penalised for 21 and 19 secs. Madness
Armagh showed the dubs why they are All Ireland champions tonight.
Quote from: JoG2 on March 01, 2025, 09:12:34 PMAfter a fair bit of football played, new keeper rule and the tap and go would be the only ones I'd keep. Was farcical at stages tonight, club games will be very eventful
Would agree with this.
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on March 01, 2025, 09:19:41 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 01, 2025, 09:12:34 PMAfter a fair bit of football played, new keeper rule and the tap and go would be the only ones I'd keep. Was farcical at stages tonight, club games will be very eventful
Would agree with this.
Is the 3 up not a good one? Would agree a lot of silly things
Some teams look to be putting in a huge effort very early in the year. It's a sprint, not a marathon!!
Quote from: EoinW on March 01, 2025, 08:50:59 PMI feel sorry for Dublin fans tonight. That first half in Armagh must have been painful to watch. The problem was simply kick outs. I've seen too many games in which one team can't get the ball. The punishment for being scored on is too harsh.
Now it's the second half and it's clear that it will be all Dublin. Being an Armagh fan, I spared myself the torture and turned the tv off. And this is on a calm night! When your team is playing against the wind...don't bother tuning in!
Amazing what a mess they can make of a game that looked pretty good to me last year. Beware progressives who feel they've a right undo 130 years of tradition.
Have you been living under a rock for the past 10 years??
The product on show now is a massive improvement on what we had been watching previously.
Some tweaks still required but it's great entertainment now which is what it's really all about.
Quote from: Quarterbackk on March 01, 2025, 09:12:19 PMFair Shoulder to shoulder hit on Rafferty from Con - goes down holding his head......
Ah he was late- black card.
Quote from: Quarterbackk on March 01, 2025, 09:12:19 PMFair Shoulder to shoulder hit on Rafferty from Con - goes down holding his head......
After he kicked the ball. It was not a fair shoulder.
Great result for Armagh considering the boys missing and then adding Crealey & Grimley to the missing list as well.
Quote from: bennydorano on March 01, 2025, 09:24:17 PMGreat result for Armagh considering the boys missing and then adding Crealey & Grimley to the missing list as well.
Yeah we'd no recognised midfielder there tonight really which probably explained a lot of the second half struggles.
Quote from: An Watcher on March 01, 2025, 09:21:03 PMSome teams look to be putting in a huge effort very early in the year. It's a sprint, not a marathon!!
Season is tighter now than you think though. All Ireland series is in 2 and a half months.
Loads of time
Quote from: Silver hill on March 01, 2025, 09:22:17 PMQuote from: EoinW on March 01, 2025, 08:50:59 PMI feel sorry for Dublin fans tonight. That first half in Armagh must have been painful to watch. The problem was simply kick outs. I've seen too many games in which one team can't get the ball. The punishment for being scored on is too harsh.
Now it's the second half and it's clear that it will be all Dublin. Being an Armagh fan, I spared myself the torture and turned the tv off. And this is on a calm night! When your team is playing against the wind...don't bother tuning in!
Amazing what a mess they can make of a game that looked pretty good to me last year. Beware progressives who feel they've a right undo 130 years of tradition.
Have you been living under a rock for the past 10 years??
The product on show now is a massive improvement on what we had been watching previously.
Some tweaks still required but it's great entertainment now which is what it's really all about.
Well it's new, which has a curiosity appeal. It's also chaotic, which makes it unpredictable and that appeals to many.
Is it suppose to be about "great entertainment"? For many people, inter-county football is a serious competition - especially participants who put so much into it. There are millions of ways to be entertained in the 21st century. Does traditional gaelic football have to be sacrificed because some people bore easily?
Quote from: screenexile on March 01, 2025, 08:13:18 PMArmagh have been very impressive but that's probably Dublin's poorest performance in 15 odd years maybe more!
No, when Armagh beat them in Croke Park in 2022 thry they were similar.
Good to see one O'Neill on the pitch at least.
Armagh doing good stuff by times but losing concentration by times. Hopefully, the proportion of the former will increase.
Quote from: JoG2 on March 01, 2025, 09:12:34 PMAfter a fair bit of football played, new keeper rule and the tap and go would be the only ones I'd keep. Was farcical at stages tonight, club games will be very eventful
Get this man on that committee.
Everything else is a pile of it.
The deposed fuball was horizontal- lashings of handpassing
The new fuball is designed to be vertical - fast counterattack, high fielding, 2 pointers.
Quote from: seafoid on March 01, 2025, 09:40:39 PMThe deposed fuball was horizontal- lashings of handpassing
The new fuball is designed to be vertical - fast counterattack, high fielding, 2 pointers.
The new 'fuball' is pissing around the arc. It's like inside the arc is a flow of lava , and you'll melt if you go over the arc line.
Keep the tap and go. Scrap the rest , they're all nonsense
Quote from: NotedObserver on March 01, 2025, 09:20:58 PMQuote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on March 01, 2025, 09:19:41 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 01, 2025, 09:12:34 PMAfter a fair bit of football played, new keeper rule and the tap and go would be the only ones I'd keep. Was farcical at stages tonight, club games will be very eventful
Would agree with this.
Is the 3 up not a good one? Would agree a lot of silly things
No, the shortcomings have clearly been demonstrated.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 01, 2025, 09:04:52 PMThis is poor shit
How was Antrim v Laois by chance? Was at Armagh Dublin two of top six best teams in country.
Quote from: AustinPowers on March 01, 2025, 10:19:52 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 01, 2025, 09:40:39 PMThe deposed fuball was horizontal- lashings of handpassing
The new fuball is designed to be vertical - fast counterattack, high fielding, 2 pointers.
The new 'fuball' is pissing around the arc. It's like inside the arc is a flow of lava , and you'll melt if you go over the arc line.
Keep the tap and go. Scrap the rest , they're all nonsense
A ban on passing to the keeper anywhere on the pitch would sort the lateral hand passing across the arc
Out of curiosity why do people hate the goalkeeper being involved?
I personally hate it as a slip up can be quite costly but there is always going to be a risk in every game.
Looks like both Tyrone and Derry will be relegated unless either of them can pull of a surprise result today. Not ideal for either county but certainly not the end of the world as both Dublin and Armagh have proved in recent years.
Listen to Rafferty after the game there, naturally he's in favour of letting the keeper come up. In fairness any time he goes up he'll look to take a man on or kick inside as seen by the goal last night.
On a another note bar first half kickouts i thought Comerford did really well, dealt with a couple of balls dropping in very well and got out well to stop a few goal chances.
Quote from: statto on March 02, 2025, 12:22:18 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 01, 2025, 09:04:52 PMThis is poor shit
How was Antrim v Laois by chance? Was at Armagh Dublin two of top six best teams in county.
I wasn't talking about the gsme, you couldn't help yourself but hey ho..
The constant stopping of the game near the finish when the ref looked unsure on what he was doing with the 3v3 rule
Quote from: Solo_run on March 02, 2025, 12:45:25 AMOut of curiosity why do people hate the goalkeeper being involved?
I personally hate it as a slip up can be quite costly but there is always going to be a risk in every game.
Hates a strong word but I dislike that even poor outfield keepers can play like a pivot man and allow his team to endlessly recycle the ball to him whenever they come under pressure.
Good 1v1 defending is enjoyable to watch but there is no reward for applying significant pressure with the keeper standing at the 45. There needs to be more of a repercussion for offensive players making poor plays rather than swing it out to the 12th man.
Easy fix would be to allow the defending team bring a man back if the goalkeeper goes forward.
Hard to police though.
Rafferty clipped a couple of lovely passes. Just v pleasing on the eye.
But, that's an aside. I like tap and go. 3 up top is good too.
The out ball is there. One way might be to designated your 3 back and forwards who stay up?
Kids grow up with this in Go Games.
Teams seem to be very Jekyll and Hyde so far.
The Dubs were much better in the second half but they still really need Con and Kilkenny to lead.
Quote from: Silver hill on March 02, 2025, 12:28:02 AMQuote from: AustinPowers on March 01, 2025, 10:19:52 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 01, 2025, 09:40:39 PMThe deposed fuball was horizontal- lashings of handpassing
The new fuball is designed to be vertical - fast counterattack, high fielding, 2 pointers.
The new 'fuball' is pissing around the arc. It's like inside the arc is a flow of lava , and you'll melt if you go over the arc line.
Keep the tap and go. Scrap the rest , they're all nonsense
A ban on passing to the keeper anywhere on the pitch would sort the lateral hand passing across the arc
No it won't. Teams are content to sit off the man and defend the arc, only really applying pressure when someone looks like shooting. Attacking team still has loads of room to move the ball over and back unimpeded.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 02, 2025, 06:41:40 AMListen to Rafferty after the game there, naturally he's in favour of letting the keeper come up. In fairness any time he goes up he'll look to take a man on or kick inside as seen by the goal last night.
On a another note bar first half kickouts i thought Comerford did really well, dealt with a couple of balls dropping in very well and got out well to stop a few goal chances.
Rafferty made a very important point about long kickouts taking a degree of skill out of it for keepers. Any donkey can smack it long and then it's up to lads to compete for it. Not on him if they lose a 50/50.
Quote from: gallsman on March 02, 2025, 09:27:18 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 02, 2025, 06:41:40 AMListen to Rafferty after the game there, naturally he's in favour of letting the keeper come up. In fairness any time he goes up he'll look to take a man on or kick inside as seen by the goal last night.
On a another note bar first half kickouts i thought Comerford did really well, dealt with a couple of balls dropping in very well and got out well to stop a few goal chances.
Rafferty made a very important point about long kickouts taking a degree of skill out of it for keepers. Any donkey can smack it long and then it's up to lads to compete for it. Not on him if they lose a 50/50.
Yeah very true. He hit a couple of lovely long ones to Murnin and I think Oisin O'Neill in the first half yesterday. But Blaine Hughes is much better at finding shorts under the old rules
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 02, 2025, 07:50:53 AMQuote from: statto on March 02, 2025, 12:22:18 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 01, 2025, 09:04:52 PMThis is poor shit
How was Antrim v Laois by chance? Was at Armagh Dublin two of top six best teams in county.
I wasn't talking about the gsme, you couldn't help yourself but hey ho..
The constant stopping of the game near the finish when the ref looked unsure on what he was doing with the 3v3 rule
Would that not have been on the linesman?
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 02, 2025, 10:23:13 AMQuote from: gallsman on March 02, 2025, 09:27:18 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 02, 2025, 06:41:40 AMListen to Rafferty after the game there, naturally he's in favour of letting the keeper come up. In fairness any time he goes up he'll look to take a man on or kick inside as seen by the goal last night.
On a another note bar first half kickouts i thought Comerford did really well, dealt with a couple of balls dropping in very well and got out well to stop a few goal chances.
Rafferty made a very important point about long kickouts taking a degree of skill out of it for keepers. Any donkey can smack it long and then it's up to lads to compete for it. Not on him if they lose a 50/50.
Yeah very true. He hit a couple of lovely long ones to Murnin and I think Oisin O'Neill in the first half yesterday. But Blaine Hughes is much better at finding shorts under the old rules
Still not worth reverting the new rule. I think thrnvast majority are in favour of the opportunity for high fielding and contested ball in the middle, rather than an uncontested 20m kickout to the wing and the slow laborious uncontested build up.
Quote from: gallsman on March 02, 2025, 09:25:30 AMQuote from: Silver hill on March 02, 2025, 12:28:02 AMQuote from: AustinPowers on March 01, 2025, 10:19:52 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 01, 2025, 09:40:39 PMThe deposed fuball was horizontal- lashings of handpassing
The new fuball is designed to be vertical - fast counterattack, high fielding, 2 pointers.
The new 'fuball' is pissing around the arc. It's like inside the arc is a flow of lava , and you'll melt if you go over the arc line.
Keep the tap and go. Scrap the rest , they're all nonsense
A ban on passing to the keeper anywhere on the pitch would sort the lateral hand passing across the arc
No it won't. Teams are content to sit off the man and defend the arc, only really applying pressure when someone looks like shooting. Attacking team still has loads of room to move the ball over and back unimpeded.
Stopping the 12 v 11 nonsense on the edge of the arc would definitely be helped if the keeper can't participate in the piggy in the middle game. A further tweak, whereby, once you enter the arc you can't come back out again, I think would fully eradicate it.
Quote from: gallsman on March 02, 2025, 09:27:18 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 02, 2025, 06:41:40 AMListen to Rafferty after the game there, naturally he's in favour of letting the keeper come up. In fairness any time he goes up he'll look to take a man on or kick inside as seen by the goal last night.
On a another note bar first half kickouts i thought Comerford did really well, dealt with a couple of balls dropping in very well and got out well to stop a few goal chances.
Rafferty made a very important point about long kickouts taking a degree of skill out of it for keepers. Any donkey can smack it long and then it's up to lads to compete for it. Not on him if they lose a 50/50.
Under last year's rules what was the skill being utilised by a keeper chipping the ball 20yds to an unmarked man? Sometimes the keeper could've had the choice of 3 unmarked men last year.
I'd suggest keepers have to be more skilful now in finding a man in space or on the run.. which is something Rafferty did a few times in yesterday's game.
That's a separate point, and one I didn't attempt to argue.
Rafferty's point was that the idea from the FRC that what people want to see is a hoof up the field with two lads contesting it requires almost nothing in the way of skill from any even moderately competent keeper.
Quote from: gallsman on March 02, 2025, 12:44:37 PMThat's a separate point, and one I didn't attempt to argue.
Rafferty's point was that the idea from the FRC that what people want to see is a hoof up the field with two lads contesting it requires almost nothing in the way of skill from any even moderately competent keeper.
Perhaps, but there is a strategy involved in picking the right match ups and there is skill in changing hang time depending on those matchups. Whereas chipping a ball 13m to an unmarked defender requires nothing at all in the way of skill or thought.
Unmarked corner backs receiving a 13 yard kickout are a result of a tactical decision of the team defending the kickout to leave them unmarked and sit back. Not liking this tactic, what the FRC have decided to do (using the results of their bullshit, loaded question-filled survey) is reduce the options available to keepers, rather than propose a change that ensures the defending team can't just sit back and drop off. As usual with committees like this in Irish society, they have attempted to address the consequences, rather than the cause.
From what I've seen this year, intermediate kicks to a player in space or on the run that go over the head of an opponent are happening just as much as they did under the old rules.
Thers just too many rule changes been issued at the same time. There's games now on tg4 where frees are given, and u don't know what for, my Irish is poor. But I say that make little difference.
Draw game in Tuam, we've missed a penalty and playing against a good wind. Seems to be a much better effort today from Tyrone.
I think we can decipher..
Donegal aren't as good as the media make out.
Derry aren't as bad as the media make out.
Galway aren't as good as the media make out.
Tyrone aren't as bad as the media make out.
Quote from: 5times5times on March 02, 2025, 02:13:26 PMI think we can decipher..
Donegal aren't as good as the media make out.
Derry aren't as bad as the media make out.
Galway aren't as good as the media make out.
Tyrone aren't as bad as the media make out.
And you are only figuring that out now?
The media? Most negative comments bout teams are on this board .. ps: is only the league don't think a lot of teams are emptying the tank at this stage
Derry lead by 4 points at half time, Galway v Tyrone level at the break.
Shock horror. 2 good teams that are in relegation trouble have come out strongly in the first halves of their games.
Very open in Ballyshannon. Tis a cliche but you'd think that both are keeping the good stuff till the championship.
Seems to have been a very strong breeze,e with Derry first half, or seems that up at the scoreboard,
The best 8 teams in the country are in D1. Likely that Tyrone and Derry will go down but they will still be in the best 8 teams next year but playing in D2. Very tight and tough D1, someone has to go down. Football is more enjoyable this year.
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 02, 2025, 02:26:43 PMDerry lead by 4 points at half time, Galway v Tyrone level at the break.
Donegal judging by their lineout and general play so far look like they dont give two shites about winning.
Similar to last week V Galway.
not exactly a revelation, but seems apparent they dont want to play in a league final, a week before the Ulster Championship V Derry, (cant say I blame them, but at the end of the day, supporters are paying to attend these games.
The GAA have totally marginalized the league, for some very strange reason.
They already know there will be a max attendance of 40k at the final, yet they could not give 10k-15k tickets away to juvenile footballers in the so called weaker counties in Div 3 and Div 4, to
a. Promote the games
b. try to provide an atmosphere.
Any League final need be 3 weeks away from Championship. So do they miss the 2 bye weeks or simply start the league earlier, now pre-season cup competitions are gone.
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 02, 2025, 11:58:05 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 02, 2025, 07:50:53 AMQuote from: statto on March 02, 2025, 12:22:18 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 01, 2025, 09:04:52 PMThis is poor shit
How was Antrim v Laois by chance? Was at Armagh Dublin two of top six best teams in county.
I wasn't talking about the gsme, you couldn't help yourself but hey ho..
The constant stopping of the game near the finish when the ref looked unsure on what he was doing with the 3v3 rule
Would that not have been on the linesman?
On the linesman and the game is stopped and that uncertainty of who's free is it and why and is it correct, it's not fluent
Jamie Brennan will do well not do get hooked imminently the way he's been going through last 10 mins.
Quote from: gallsman on March 02, 2025, 02:56:11 PMJamie Brennan will do well not do get hooked imminently the way he's been going through last 10 mins.
Yeah. A really poor few minutes. Trying to make up for mistakes.
And as I type this ...
Derry 6 ahead and Tyrone 2 in front.
8 points up with 15 to go and it doesn't feel safe at all!
Tyrone & Mayo next for Donegal if they lost this... they ain't safe yet
Quote from: 5times5times on March 02, 2025, 03:07:12 PMTyrone & Mayo next for Donegal if they lost this... they ain't safe yet
They're safe surely on 6 points. Rake of teams behind them taking points of each other. Bottom 2 go down!
Quote from: Truthsayer on March 02, 2025, 03:10:20 PMQuote from: 5times5times on March 02, 2025, 03:07:12 PMTyrone & Mayo next for Donegal if they lost this... they ain't safe yet
They're safe surely on 6 points. Rake of teams behind them taking points of each other. Bottom 2 go down!
Derrys down now!
Ran out of steam. Signs of life though.
Not easy being a Derry fan ATM. Could have 4 points from Kerry and Donegal if we didn't fall apart twice. Now we are relegated.
Couldn't get out hands on a kickout that last 10 min
Fuckin hell, some turnaround! Thought we'd said "we'll see you next month boys!" With ten minutes left.
Was it a coincidence that it happened after Rodgers went off?
Murphy still a class above when it comes to intelligence and decision making.
Our shooting was poor for a good chunk of that game. Plenty of work to do. Thought Derry defended the arc very well until things got away from them in midfield at the end.
Probably the final nail in whatever hopes Derry had of staying up. Donegals better fitness took over in the final quarter.
Tyrone not holding on to the win could prove damaging. 1-18 each v Galway.
Quote from: J70 on March 02, 2025, 03:29:22 PMFuckin hell, some turnaround! Thought we'd said "we'll see you next month boys!" With ten minutes left.
Was it a coincidence that it happened after Rodgers went off?
Murphy still a class above when it comes to intelligence and decision making.
Our shooting was poor for a good chunk of that game. Plenty of work to do. Thought Derry defended the arc very well until things got away from them in midfield at the end.
Rogers going off was a huge blow.
Having said that how we don't have a set play kickout to retain possession for situations like that baffles me. If we'd got our hand on the ball even 3/4 times that last 10minutes we'd have won the game!
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 02, 2025, 02:09:31 PMDraw game in Tuam, we've missed a penalty and playing against a good wind. Seems to be a much better effort today from Tyrone.
Tyrone will presumbly do the same as last year. Put higher workrate into rounds 5 to 7 in order to stay in the division.
Quote from: J70 on March 02, 2025, 03:29:22 PMFuckin hell, some turnaround! Thought we'd said "we'll see you next month boys!" With ten minutes left.
Was it a coincidence that it happened after Rodgers went off?
Murphy still a class above when it comes to intelligence and decision making.
Our shooting was poor for a good chunk of that game. Plenty of work to do. Thought Derry defended the arc very well until things got away from them in midfield at the end.
Rodgers going off was the turning point.
Quote from: 5times5times on March 02, 2025, 02:13:26 PMI think we can decipher..
Donegal aren't as good as the media make out.
Derry aren't as bad as the media make out.
Galway aren't as good as the media make out.
Tyrone aren't as bad as the media make out.
Did Donegal not just relegate Derry there?
Quote from: greatpoint on March 02, 2025, 04:03:40 PMQuote from: 5times5times on March 02, 2025, 02:13:26 PMI think we can decipher..
Donegal aren't as good as the media make out.
Derry aren't as bad as the media make out.
Galway aren't as good as the media make out.
Tyrone aren't as bad as the media make out.
Did Donegal not just relegate Derry there?
Not mathematically but with Mayo at home and Armagh away to play were as good as down
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Six points should be enough.
Tyrone's negative head-to-head against Armagh/Kerry/Mayo will be a big problem if they end up on 5.
Huge controversy at the end of Tyrone game with the 3 up infringement being called to allow Walsh the opportunity to equalise. Was listening to Galway Bay fm and they were as confused as anything.
Wed a man black carded who came on for last play. As far as I can make out he came on after the last free kick was called. Tyrone were adjudged to have broken 3 up as they were now returned to 15 men. However, the ball wasn't back in play by my reckoning as the free kick hadn't been hit. So can the ref call the 3 men up infraction? This allowed Walsh the option to take the ball out for 2 points.
Furthermore, on rte radio they said the ref made the call as a Galway backroom member came on to the field of play to tell him.
This is my reading of it listening to very mixed up and confusing radio broadcast. Could have a huge bearing If that cost point relegated us.
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 02, 2025, 07:08:13 PMHuge controversy at the end of Tyrone game with the 3 up infringement being called to allow Walsh the opportunity to equalise. Was listening to Galway Bay fm and they were as confused as anything.
Wed a man black carded who came on for last play. As far as I can make out he came on after the last free kick was called. Tyrone were adjudged to have broken 3 up as they were now returned to 15 men. However, the ball wasn't back in play by my reckoning as the free kick hadn't been hit. So can the ref call the 3 men up infraction? This allowed Walsh the option to take the ball out for 2 points.
Furthermore, on rte radio they said the ref made the call as a Galway backroom member came on to the field of play to tell him.
This is my reading of it listening to very mixed up and confusing radio broadcast. Could have a huge bearing If that cost point relegated us.
He had already been on for the play previous. Even Malachy wasn't complaining about the decision, he just said it was a mistake by his men
Tyrone availed of one earlier where Walsh stepped a foot across. Supposedly under the new guidance that's to be given as a free from the spot rather than in front of the goal but Tyrone got a two pointer from it. It is what it is
Cawley had an absolute shocker overall though. Some bizarre frees given.
Ah right, the radio commentary was all over the place (understandably) and wasn't 100% sure.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on March 02, 2025, 05:55:54 PMSix points should be enough.
Tyrone's negative head-to-head against Armagh/Kerry/Mayo will be a big problem if they end up on 5.
Tyrone will have the afterburners on for the remaining rounds.
But O'Rourke should been sending bck on up front until they attacked again. Is it a slip up by the player or him.?
That was some goal, Tyrone's first one.
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 02, 2025, 08:24:47 PMAh right, the radio commentary was all over the place (understandably) and wasn't 100% sure.
That commentator is likeable and passionate but he's all over the place at the best of times
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 02, 2025, 09:32:37 PMThat was some goal, Tyrone's first one.
Incredible pass by Harte really as he didn't have much of a gap to slip it past two Galway defenders. But it was inch perfect straight into Canavan's path.
Poor Derry. A winning performance, like the Kerry game, then the wheels fell off. Too bad one of the new rules wasn't to shorten the games.
Quote from: EoinW on March 03, 2025, 02:56:06 AMPoor Derry. A winning performance, like the Kerry game, then the wheels fell off. Too bad one of the new rules wasn't to shorten the games.
They will be relegated but funny enough they may have a better year then last year even though they won the league last year, it is weird How irrelevant the league is over all ?
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on March 02, 2025, 11:34:40 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on March 02, 2025, 09:32:37 PMThat was some goal, Tyrone's first one.
Incredible pass by Harte really as he didn't have much of a gap to slip it past two Galway defenders. But it was inch perfect straight into Canavan's path.
Like the one against Mayo where McCurry layed it off to Harte and he picked out Canavan? Haven't seen it yet
Quote from: thebigfullforward on March 03, 2025, 08:10:52 AMQuote from: GalwayBayBoy on March 02, 2025, 11:34:40 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on March 02, 2025, 09:32:37 PMThat was some goal, Tyrone's first one.
Incredible pass by Harte really as he didn't have much of a gap to slip it past two Galway defenders. But it was inch perfect straight into Canavan's path.
Like the one against Mayo where McCurry layed it off to Harte and he picked out Canavan? Haven't seen it yet
Was like something out of the Ronnie O'Sullivan bag of tricks, so much precision, the ability to make that pass so the player didn't have to break stride is borderline genius in the context of a game of football at that level
Quote from: tiempo on March 03, 2025, 09:22:04 AMQuote from: thebigfullforward on March 03, 2025, 08:10:52 AMQuote from: GalwayBayBoy on March 02, 2025, 11:34:40 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on March 02, 2025, 09:32:37 PMThat was some goal, Tyrone's first one.
Incredible pass by Harte really as he didn't have much of a gap to slip it past two Galway defenders. But it was inch perfect straight into Canavan's path.
Like the one against Mayo where McCurry layed it off to Harte and he picked out Canavan? Haven't seen it yet
Was like something out of the Ronnie O'Sullivan bag of tricks, so much precision, the ability to make that pass so the player didn't have to break stride is borderline genius in the context of a game of football at that level
As good a pass as you'll see
Quote from: Manning18 on March 02, 2025, 07:13:54 PMQuote from: omagh_gael on March 02, 2025, 07:08:13 PMHuge controversy at the end of Tyrone game with the 3 up infringement being called to allow Walsh the opportunity to equalise. Was listening to Galway Bay fm and they were as confused as anything.
Wed a man black carded who came on for last play. As far as I can make out he came on after the last free kick was called. Tyrone were adjudged to have broken 3 up as they were now returned to 15 men. However, the ball wasn't back in play by my reckoning as the free kick hadn't been hit. So can the ref call the 3 men up infraction? This allowed Walsh the option to take the ball out for 2 points.
Furthermore, on rte radio they said the ref made the call as a Galway backroom member came on to the field of play to tell him.
This is my reading of it listening to very mixed up and confusing radio broadcast. Could have a huge bearing If that cost point relegated us.
He had already been on for the play previous. Even Malachy wasn't complaining about the decision, he just said it was a mistake by his men
Tyrone availed of one earlier where Walsh stepped a foot across. Supposedly under the new guidance that's to be given as a free from the spot rather than in front of the goal but Tyrone got a two pointer from it. It is what it is
Cawley had an absolute shocker overall though. Some bizarre frees given.
This part of the rule change seems unnecessarily messy. I really don't like being able to pull those frees back to kick a two pointer for a technical offence like that. The punishment doesn't seem to fit the crime at all
So when is it a free from the point of crossing the line to having the free on the 14 with the potential to take it back to the arc and go for a two pointer?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 03, 2025, 10:44:40 AMSo when is it a free from the point of crossing the line to having the free on the 14 with the potential to take it back to the arc and go for a two pointer?
It is when a player crosses the line to get the ball that it is a free from the halfway line, otherwise it is a 20m / free from the arc.
It does seem strange that there is such a difference in the punishment. Step over the halfway line to win the ball and it's a free from there, but take 1 step over the line when you don't have the ball in your hand and you are conceding 2 points.
The whole thing is far too overcomplicated! It's good to see games opening up but it's gone too far the other way with too much chaos. We're seeing games now where a team can lead by 15 points one half and there's the same kind of swing the other way second half. That's just nuts!
It is the inconsistency with the "flexibility" that is very frustrating.
In earlier games some linesmen were allowing teams to "cross over", ie if a team had 3 men back and 1 crossed forward, but half a second later he was replaced by a teammate that wasn't given as a breach.
But in the Armagh v Dublin game on Saturday night at 64:15 on the RTE clock Kilkenny was pinged for a breach of the 3up rule even though he was replaced by a teammate in a fraction of a second.
Quote from: Smokin Joe on March 03, 2025, 11:06:12 AMIt is the inconsistency with the "flexibility" that is very frustrating.
In earlier games some linesmen were allowing teams to "cross over", ie if a team had 3 men back and 1 crossed forward, but half a second later he was replaced by a teammate that wasn't given as a breach.
But in the Armagh v Dublin game on Saturday night at 64:15 on the RTE clock Kilkenny was pinged for a breach of the 3up rule even though he was replaced by a teammate in a fraction of a second.
thought dublin harshly penalised once when the forward was coming to get a pass and went across the line by a few metres.Definitely thought referee was a homer om saturday night with the amount of 50/50s going armagh way.
Quote from: Armamike on March 03, 2025, 10:59:49 AMThe whole thing is far too overcomplicated! It's good to see games opening up but it's gone too far the other way with too much chaos. We're seeing games now where a team can lead by 15 points one half and there's the same kind of swing the other way second half. That's just nuts!
The big problem as I see it is that 1 rule change can have a few knock-on unintended consequences that can only be sorted by more tinkering and then you're chasing your tail, it will settle eventually but the nonsense of no pre-season competitions and the very compact inter-county season is complicating things enormously.
A good starting point(in general) would be to stop listening to the GPA's nonsense.
Quote from: Smokin Joe on March 03, 2025, 10:56:53 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 03, 2025, 10:44:40 AMSo when is it a free from the point of crossing the line to having the free on the 14 with the potential to take it back to the arc and go for a two pointer?
It is when a player crosses the line to get the ball that it is a free from the halfway line, otherwise it is a 20m / free from the arc.
It does seem strange that there is such a difference in the punishment. Step over the halfway line to win the ball and it's a free from there, but take 1 step over the line when you don't have the ball in your hand and you are conceding 2 points.
This is a bit strange, since in the latter case you are not affecting play in the least.
One thing mentioned last night was the Tyrone black card coming back on. A simple change here would be to require players to enter the game on their own side of halfway. This would allow an easier count.
I believe the Dublin infraction was the first time I've seen any team break the 3-3 rule. All the other times were off camera. It doesn't help avoid controversy when there is no centre line. Why not make it 3 within the 65 meter lines?
This kind of highlights the problem with this year's blitzkrieg of rule changes. It's a nightmare for referees to officiate.
No free should be worth a 2pter, keeping it from play yes, I rather see the arc further out.
Quote from: EoinW on March 03, 2025, 11:47:00 AMI believe the Dublin infraction was the first time I've seen any team break the 3-3 rule. All the other times were off camera. It doesn't help avoid controversy when there is no centre line. Why not make it 3 within the 65 meter lines?
This kind of highlights the problem with this year's blitzkrieg of rule changes. It's a nightmare for referees to officiate.
What are you talking about? Have you seen any games this year?
There is a centre line on the pitches, and in fact both Castlebar and the Athletic Grounds have seem to have dispensed with their 65m lines. So that plan of yours definitely isn't an improvement.
Some posts here should go the wtf thread🙄
Quote from: Smokin Joe on March 03, 2025, 12:03:27 PMQuote from: EoinW on March 03, 2025, 11:47:00 AMI believe the Dublin infraction was the first time I've seen any team break the 3-3 rule. All the other times were off camera. It doesn't help avoid controversy when there is no centre line. Why not make it 3 within the 65 meter lines?
This kind of highlights the problem with this year's blitzkrieg of rule changes. It's a nightmare for referees to officiate.
What are you talking about? Have you seen any games this year?
There is a centre line on the pitches, and in fact both Castlebar and the Athletic Grounds have seem to have dispensed with their 65m lines. So that plan of yours definitely isn't an improvement.
Yes, though none from Castlebar. I see the usual stripes at centre, not a line stretching from sideline to sideline. Maybe I should clean my glasses more often!
However, if my vision isn't faulty and there is no solid line all the way across the field, then my point stands.
Though the only point that matters to me is the latter one: too many rule changes all at once! The Rules Committee really must have hated Gaelic Football to want to completely transform the game.
It feckin well needed transformation after the last few tears of muck
Quote from: EoinW on March 03, 2025, 01:38:43 PMQuote from: Smokin Joe on March 03, 2025, 12:03:27 PMQuote from: EoinW on March 03, 2025, 11:47:00 AMI believe the Dublin infraction was the first time I've seen any team break the 3-3 rule. All the other times were off camera. It doesn't help avoid controversy when there is no centre line. Why not make it 3 within the 65 meter lines?
This kind of highlights the problem with this year's blitzkrieg of rule changes. It's a nightmare for referees to officiate.
What are you talking about? Have you seen any games this year?
There is a centre line on the pitches, and in fact both Castlebar and the Athletic Grounds have seem to have dispensed with their 65m lines. So that plan of yours definitely isn't an improvement.
Yes, though none from Castlebar. I see the usual stripes at centre, not a line stretching from sideline to sideline. Maybe I should clean my glasses more often!
However, if my vision isn't faulty and there is no solid line all the way across the field, then my point stands.
Though the only point that matters to me is the latter one: too many rule changes all at once! The Rules Committee really must have hated Gaelic Football to want to completely transform the game.
"I see the usual stripes at centre"
Usual from when? From January this year? The striped lines all across the pitch are new this year, last year there was only one 5m line for the throw in.
The reason the dashed line is all across the pitch at halfway, and not a solid line like the 45s and 65s is to enable the ref to easily see where half way is, ie it is different to the solid lines.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 01, 2025, 08:28:48 PMQuote from: 5times5times on March 01, 2025, 08:21:29 PMAll talk of who Dublin are missing.
Armagh missing 3 from defence, McKay Kelly Forker
Both midfielders, Crealey Grimley
2 half fwds, ONeill McElroy
Back to back titles
I wouldn't think so, the championship is a lottery with teams so close. People always also underestimate the advantage playing down the hill in Armagh is.
Quote from: clarshack on March 01, 2025, 09:02:39 PMWhy was the Dublin point that should have been 1-12 for them eventually disallowed. Did the Referee listen to the crowd?
It was clearly wide from the tv angles. Cassidy called it.
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Quote from: Applesisapples on March 03, 2025, 03:08:10 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 01, 2025, 08:28:48 PMQuote from: 5times5times on March 01, 2025, 08:21:29 PMAll talk of who Dublin are missing.
Armagh missing 3 from defence, McKay Kelly Forker
Both midfielders, Crealey Grimley
2 half fwds, ONeill McElroy
Back to back titles
I wouldn't think so, the championship is a lottery with teams so close. People always also underestimate the advantage playing down the hill in Armagh is.
How much of a fall is the gradient? There must be some other reason too.
A bit Soccer with 11 behind the ball in a zone ( defensive structure is the fancy term). Basketball around the 40m arc. Scrum in the middle of the field after a kickout. The Meath manager is correct. What a wonderful sport we have.
Rules need changed again or else there will be less and less watching games as the year goes on.
Simple rules : the ball must be kicked forward at least 10 metres after 3 consecutive handpasses.The goalkeeper is not allowed to receive a pass from an outfield player.
Oh abd ban Chrissy Mckaigue and Enda McGinley from commentating on tv.They are spreading the disease which was injected into our game by so called modern coaches. Young people are listening and actually taking this shite talk in
Given the confusion week-upon-week, then perhaps suspending promotion & relegation for this season would be a fair alternative.
Everyone is now getting the new rules experience required for the championship and we then start afresh in Jan 2026 with the Leagues as we were.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on March 03, 2025, 07:21:20 PMGiven the confusion week-upon-week, then perhaps suspending promotion & relegation for this season would be a fair alternative.
Everyone is now getting the new rules experience required for the championship and we then start afresh in Jan 2026 with the Leagues as we were.
Tyrone should be demoted to Division four for 2026 with such thoughts.
Quote from: JPO on March 03, 2025, 07:11:18 PMRules need changed again or else there will be less and less watching games as the year goes on.
Simple rules : the ball must be kicked forward at least 10 metres after 3 consecutive handpasses.The goalkeeper is not allowed to receive a pass from an outfield player.
Oh abd ban Chrissy Mckaigue and Enda McGinley from commentating on tv.They are spreading the disease which was injected into our game by so called modern coaches. Young people are listening and actually taking this shite talk in
This has been trialled already and was a disaster.. Are you new to the game or very young?
Quote from: Smokin Joe on March 03, 2025, 01:56:46 PMQuote from: EoinW on March 03, 2025, 01:38:43 PMQuote from: Smokin Joe on March 03, 2025, 12:03:27 PMQuote from: EoinW on March 03, 2025, 11:47:00 AMI believe the Dublin infraction was the first time I've seen any team break the 3-3 rule. All the other times were off camera. It doesn't help avoid controversy when there is no centre line. Why not make it 3 within the 65 meter lines?
This kind of highlights the problem with this year's blitzkrieg of rule changes. It's a nightmare for referees to officiate.
What are you talking about? Have you seen any games this year?
There is a centre line on the pitches, and in fact both Castlebar and the Athletic Grounds have seem to have dispensed with their 65m lines. So that plan of yours definitely isn't an improvement.
Yes, though none from Castlebar. I see the usual stripes at centre, not a line stretching from sideline to sideline. Maybe I should clean my glasses more often!
However, if my vision isn't faulty and there is no solid line all the way across the field, then my point stands.
Though the only point that matters to me is the latter one: too many rule changes all at once! The Rules Committee really must have hated Gaelic Football to want to completely transform the game.
"I see the usual stripes at centre"
Usual from when? From January this year? The striped lines all across the pitch are new this year, last year there was only one 5m line for the throw in.
The reason the dashed line is all across the pitch at halfway, and not a solid line like the 45s and 65s is to enable the ref to easily see where half way is, ie it is different to the solid lines.
My mistake. Sorry.
Quote from: JoG2 on March 03, 2025, 08:43:44 PMQuote from: JPO on March 03, 2025, 07:11:18 PMRules need changed again or else there will be less and less watching games as the year goes on.
Simple rules : the ball must be kicked forward at least 10 metres after 3 consecutive handpasses.The goalkeeper is not allowed to receive a pass from an outfield player.
Oh abd ban Chrissy Mckaigue and Enda McGinley from commentating on tv.They are spreading the disease which was injected into our game by so called modern coaches. Young people are listening and actually taking this shite talk in
This has been trialled already and was a disaster.. Are you new to the game or very young?
At the risk of being considered too new, have they ever considered a limit on hand passes, such as a dozen per possession? After the 12th pass, no more hand passes until a change in possession.
Quote from: EoinW on March 03, 2025, 11:54:09 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 03, 2025, 08:43:44 PMQuote from: JPO on March 03, 2025, 07:11:18 PMRules need changed again or else there will be less and less watching games as the year goes on.
Simple rules : the ball must be kicked forward at least 10 metres after 3 consecutive handpasses.The goalkeeper is not allowed to receive a pass from an outfield player.
Oh abd ban Chrissy Mckaigue and Enda McGinley from commentating on tv.They are spreading the disease which was injected into our game by so called modern coaches. Young people are listening and actually taking this shite talk in
This has been trialled already and was a disaster.. Are you new to the game or very young?
At the risk of being considered too new, have they ever considered a limit on hand passes, such as a dozen per possession? After the 12th pass, no more hand passes until a change in possession.
Who would do the counting? Sounds like further complication added to a constantly changing game that is already complicated enough!
Will be interesting to see what happens over the summer. Imagine a big championship game, and AI final maybe, being decided by a technical infringement (e.g one of the attackers strays a foot over the half way line) where the ref gives a free that wins the match. Hopefully it won't come to that.
Quote from: Armamike on March 04, 2025, 09:40:37 AMQuote from: EoinW on March 03, 2025, 11:54:09 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 03, 2025, 08:43:44 PMQuote from: JPO on March 03, 2025, 07:11:18 PMRules need changed again or else there will be less and less watching games as the year goes on.
Simple rules : the ball must be kicked forward at least 10 metres after 3 consecutive handpasses.The goalkeeper is not allowed to receive a pass from an outfield player.
Oh abd ban Chrissy Mckaigue and Enda McGinley from commentating on tv.They are spreading the disease which was injected into our game by so called modern coaches. Young people are listening and actually taking this shite talk in
This has been trialled already and was a disaster.. Are you new to the game or very young?
At the risk of being considered too new, have they ever considered a limit on hand passes, such as a dozen per possession? After the 12th pass, no more hand passes until a change in possession.
Who would do the counting? Sounds like further complication added to a constantly changing game that is already complicated enough!
Will be interesting to see what happens over the summer. Imagine a big championship game, and AI final maybe, being decided by a technical infringement (e.g one of the attackers strays a foot over the half way line) where the ref gives a free that wins the match. Hopefully it won't come to that.
Let's look at the closing minutes of the 2011 AI final.
Donaghy gets struck in the face by a hand in the lead up to the final free. The referee sees this, but gets things restarted as quickly as possible with a throw-up.
McMenamin jinks himself into the ground - minimal to no contact - and gets a free in a kickable position.
Cluxton takes between one and one and a half hours to stroll up and take the free kick. None of the time taken is added back on.
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Three times during injury time, the referee's interpretation of the rules came together to allow Dublin to win.
At least an infringement is black and white.
Quote from: EoinW on March 03, 2025, 11:54:09 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 03, 2025, 08:43:44 PMQuote from: JPO on March 03, 2025, 07:11:18 PMRules need changed again or else there will be less and less watching games as the year goes on.
Simple rules : the ball must be kicked forward at least 10 metres after 3 consecutive handpasses.The goalkeeper is not allowed to receive a pass from an outfield player.
Oh abd ban Chrissy Mckaigue and Enda McGinley from commentating on tv.They are spreading the disease which was injected into our game by so called modern coaches. Young people are listening and actually taking this shite talk in
This has been trialled already and was a disaster.. Are you new to the game or very young?
At the risk of being considered too new, have they ever considered a limit on hand passes, such as a dozen per possession? After the 12th pass, no more hand passes until a change in possession.
Great idea, though a baker's dozen would be better, no? Can't be brought in for another 5 years I don't think, which is a shame
I think I saw someone mention that Football is becoming more like soccer - I kind of agree when you see the zonal defending and back/side passing around the 45. But, imo that has not improved under the new rules. Maybe we forget about 3v3 and bring in an offside rule.
Talk about restricting the number of handpasses - what about removing handpasses altogether? Easier refereed and brings the much desired (by some) kick and catch game back. Think of the excitement where every ball has to be kicked!
Don't need to worry about 3v3, or back-passing to the keeper then either.
It is called football after all.
The point I'm making is that adding more rules won't make the game better necessarily, and while some might think they are great, others will think they are nonsense.
Removing rules is just as likely to improve the game - or at least gives you the same argument used for some of the rules that have been introduced.
I personally feel Football is getting close to being unrecognisable to the sport I grew up playing and watching.
Quote from: JPO on March 03, 2025, 07:11:18 PMRules need changed again or else there will be less and less watching games as the year goes on.
Simple rules : the ball must be kicked forward at least 10 metres after 3 consecutive handpasses.The goalkeeper is not allowed to receive a pass from an outfield player.
Oh abd ban Chrissy Mckaigue and Enda McGinley from commentating on tv.They are spreading the disease which was injected into our game by so called modern coaches. Young people are listening and actually taking this shite talk in
Did you actually watch any games last year? Bar the Ulster final what games did Errigal play weren't good?
Watched many games. What games were any good? In fact which games were any good over the last ten years?McGinley has all the lingo used by coaches, mostly rubbish of course but he and all coaches get well paid for speaking like this. Football is quite a simple game but if it sounds complicated then theres money to made from coaching tactics,etc
Quote from: tbrick18 on March 04, 2025, 11:34:37 AMI think I saw someone mention that Football is becoming more like soccer - I kind of agree when you see the zonal defending and back/side passing around the 45. But, imo that has not improved under the new rules. Maybe we forget about 3v3 and bring in an offside rule.
Talk about restricting the number of handpasses - what about removing handpasses altogether? Easier refereed and brings the much desired (by some) kick and catch game back. Think of the excitement where every ball has to be kicked!
Don't need to worry about 3v3, or back-passing to the keeper then either.
It is called football after all.
The point I'm making is that adding more rules won't make the game better necessarily, and while some might think they are great, others will think they are nonsense.
Removing rules is just as likely to improve the game - or at least gives you the same argument used for some of the rules that have been introduced.
I personally feel Football is getting close to being unrecognisable to the sport I grew up playing and watching.
That would be a radical move! Would hardly expect to kick the ball to someone a couple of yards away?
I wonder is it possible for the national media to share a balanced view on the new rules and current state of the game than mainly play cheerleaders and shout down any player,Managers that gives constructive criticism?
It's clear in such a short and rushed time too many rule changes was brought in at one time.
Quote from: JPO on March 03, 2025, 07:11:18 PMRules need changed again or else there will be less and less watching games as the year goes on.
Simple rules : the ball must be kicked forward at least 10 metres after 3 consecutive handpasses.The goalkeeper is not allowed to receive a pass from an outfield player.
Oh abd ban Chrissy Mckaigue and Enda McGinley from commentating on tv.They are spreading the disease which was injected into our game by so called modern coaches. Young people are listening and actually taking this shite talk in
Have you given any thought to this whatsoever?
Quote from: Armamike on March 04, 2025, 01:37:34 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on March 04, 2025, 11:34:37 AMI think I saw someone mention that Football is becoming more like soccer - I kind of agree when you see the zonal defending and back/side passing around the 45. But, imo that has not improved under the new rules. Maybe we forget about 3v3 and bring in an offside rule.
Talk about restricting the number of handpasses - what about removing handpasses altogether? Easier refereed and brings the much desired (by some) kick and catch game back. Think of the excitement where every ball has to be kicked!
Don't need to worry about 3v3, or back-passing to the keeper then either.
It is called football after all.
The point I'm making is that adding more rules won't make the game better necessarily, and while some might think they are great, others will think they are nonsense.
Removing rules is just as likely to improve the game - or at least gives you the same argument used for some of the rules that have been introduced.
I personally feel Football is getting close to being unrecognisable to the sport I grew up playing and watching.
That would be a radical move! Would hardly expect to kick the ball to someone a couple of yards away?
It was a tongue in cheek suggestion - but given the apparent public dissent against teams fist passing the ball around the pitch, surely the obvious rule change is to take that part out of the game. All passes must travel at least 13m and be kicked....there we go. The game is fixed, only kicking and catching allowed, no handball, massed defence wouldn't be possible as you have to kick the ball 13 metres, either would working the ball in slowly. It also forces players in possession to have to take his man on (or run into the tackle as its now referred to), which we rarely see nowadays.
The point I'm trying to make is that adding all these rules to stop players doing x, y, and z are changing the game entirely and perhaps not for the better. The reasoning behind a lot of the rules is no more reasonable than my suggestion here to do away with handpassing.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on March 04, 2025, 01:46:09 PMI wonder is it possible for the national media to share a balanced view on the new rules and current state of the game than mainly play cheerleaders and shout down any player,Managers that gives constructive criticism?
It's clear in such a short and rushed time too many rule changes was brought in at one time.
every league Sunday show so far has been critical of some of the rules, the confusion around them, the number of them, the implementation and at times lack of transparency / updates.
FRC surely take feedback from all corners in their weekly meetings? It's their game too
Quote from: Cunny Funt on March 04, 2025, 01:46:09 PMI wonder is it possible for the national media to share a balanced view on the new rules and current state of the game than mainly play cheerleaders and shout down any player,Managers that gives constructive criticism?
It's clear in such a short and rushed time too many rule changes was brought in at one time.
Listened to the GAA social podcast where they discussed it. I really don't understand Niblock trying to say the rules are good, didn't really go too much into some of the stuff McConville was raising. He's talking about an official to count the 20 secs for kick outs because the referee has too much to be worrying about... I couldn't believe the irony, if IC refs with their 4 umpires, 2 linesmen and 4th official have too much on them how the f do they think the club refs are going to do it.
He actually mentioned he was speaking to a ref who decided to pack it in due to the rule changes yet he is STILL cheerleading for them because a few long kicks add a bit of contested ball for neuturals. The media are clearly being told to be positive towards the FRC and the rules
Quote from: Saffron_sam20 on March 04, 2025, 02:01:33 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on March 04, 2025, 01:46:09 PMI wonder is it possible for the national media to share a balanced view on the new rules and current state of the game than mainly play cheerleaders and shout down any player,Managers that gives constructive criticism?
It's clear in such a short and rushed time too many rule changes was brought in at one time.
Listened to the GAA social podcast where they discussed it. I really don't understand Niblock trying to say the rules are good, didn't really go too much into some of the stuff McConville was raising. He's talking about an official to count the 20 secs for kick outs because the referee has too much to be worrying about... I couldn't believe the irony, if IC refs with their 4 umpires, 2 linesmen and 4th official have too much on them how the f do they think the club refs are going to do it.
He actually mentioned he was speaking to a ref who decided to pack it in due to the rule changes yet he is STILL cheerleading for them because a few long kicks add a bit of contested ball for neuturals. The media are clearly being told to be positive towards the FRC and the rules
At this rate we'll soon have more officials officiating than players playing. Far too many rule changes at one time. There should only be a couple of changes at any given time for everyone's sanity.
The game has been in serious decline since 2011 when mcguinness was appointed Donegal manager and achieved success with his system in 2012. As with anything that's successful, plagiarism followed as rival managers tried to emulate it in other counties. McGuinness technically wasn't doing anything illegal or wrong, he simply exploited the rules of the game to suit his style of play. Unfortunately, this trickled down to club football, even as far down as u8s with some clubs.
We continued to go to games because we were invested in it, almost bound by it as our fathers and to their fathers had been before us. For most, the spectacle on show simply wasn't entertaining or in any way enjoyable (apart from the final 5 mins in most games). Something had to change and that is why Jim and co were appointed. Their remit was to simply make the game exciting and enjoyable again.The key change required was limiting the blanket, hence the 3 up rule. Not perfect but not sure what else would have worked better?
Tap and go definitely speeds up the play, a good initiative in my opinion.
Kick out arc encourages contests again and I do think there has been more high fielding on show this year so far. 2 point rule is good but not for a free.
Handing the ball back is too difficult to enforce. Would be happy enough if the player just had to place the ball on the ground after a free was awarded.
50m advance for dissent is too punitive, 30 is plenty although I would concede that the 50 m advance has seriously reduced the verbals.
One man throw in - gimmicky, adds nothing. Everyone will have their own interpretation and opinion but I really do think what we've seen so far has achieved the original objective, ie, to make the game a better spectacle.
Quote from: Silver hill on March 04, 2025, 02:55:43 PMThe game has been in serious decline since 2011 when mcguinness was appointed Donegal manager and achieved success with his system in 2012. As with anything that's successful, plagiarism followed as rival managers tried to emulate it in other counties. McGuinness technically wasn't doing anything illegal or wrong, he simply exploited the rules of the game to suit his style of play. Unfortunately, this trickled down to club football, even as far down as u8s with some clubs.
We continued to go to games because we were invested in it, almost bound by it as our fathers and to their fathers had been before us. For most, the spectacle on show simply wasn't entertaining or in any way enjoyable (apart from the final 5 mins in most games). Something had to change and that is why Jim and co were appointed. Their remit was to simply make the game exciting and enjoyable again.The key change required was limiting the blanket, hence the 3 up rule. Not perfect but not sure what else would have worked better?
Tap and go definitely speeds up the play, a good initiative in my opinion.
Kick out arc encourages contests again and I do think there has been more high fielding on show this year so far. 2 point rule is good but not for a free.
Handing the ball back is too difficult to enforce. Would be happy enough if the player just had to place the ball on the ground after a free was awarded.
50m advance for dissent is too punitive, 30 is plenty although I would concede that the 50 m advance has seriously reduced the verbals.
One man throw in - gimmicky, adds nothing. Everyone will have their own interpretation and opinion but I really do think what we've seen so far has achieved the original objective, ie, to make the game a better spectacle.
Armagh won 11 of Dublins 14 kick outs in the first half at the weekend, how does that improve our game? After conceding score a team should be able to restart how they see fit not just a contested ball to engage armchair fans with no dog in the fight.
The 2pt is a red herring too, seen a few games now where teams are just playing the ball around the arc and trying to get a 2 pt score. Really no need.
I've said before the dissent is stupid, book the player and he's walking a fine line for the rest of the game. No need for handing the ball back, it's not go games. Set the ball down and get into position.
Quote from: JoG2 on March 04, 2025, 01:57:31 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on March 04, 2025, 01:46:09 PMI wonder is it possible for the national media to share a balanced view on the new rules and current state of the game than mainly play cheerleaders and shout down any player,Managers that gives constructive criticism?
It's clear in such a short and rushed time too many rule changes was brought in at one time.
every league Sunday show so far has been critical of some of the rules, the confusion around them, the number of them, the implementation and at times lack of transparency / updates.
FRC surely take feedback from all corners in their weekly meetings? It's their game too
Jim Gavin was on the radio this morning. He quoted stats about average kickout times, which were something like 21-22 seconds. Yet Ethan Rafferty was penalised on Sunday after 17 seconds which is far below the average.
Quote from: Saffron_sam20 on March 04, 2025, 03:08:11 PMQuote from: Silver hill on March 04, 2025, 02:55:43 PMThe game has been in serious decline since 2011 when mcguinness was appointed Donegal manager and achieved success with his system in 2012. As with anything that's successful, plagiarism followed as rival managers tried to emulate it in other counties. McGuinness technically wasn't doing anything illegal or wrong, he simply exploited the rules of the game to suit his style of play. Unfortunately, this trickled down to club football, even as far down as u8s with some clubs.
We continued to go to games because we were invested in it, almost bound by it as our fathers and to their fathers had been before us. For most, the spectacle on show simply wasn't entertaining or in any way enjoyable (apart from the final 5 mins in most games). Something had to change and that is why Jim and co were appointed. Their remit was to simply make the game exciting and enjoyable again.The key change required was limiting the blanket, hence the 3 up rule. Not perfect but not sure what else would have worked better?
Tap and go definitely speeds up the play, a good initiative in my opinion.
Kick out arc encourages contests again and I do think there has been more high fielding on show this year so far. 2 point rule is good but not for a free.
Handing the ball back is too difficult to enforce. Would be happy enough if the player just had to place the ball on the ground after a free was awarded.
50m advance for dissent is too punitive, 30 is plenty although I would concede that the 50 m advance has seriously reduced the verbals.
One man throw in - gimmicky, adds nothing. Everyone will have their own interpretation and opinion but I really do think what we've seen so far has achieved the original objective, ie, to make the game a better spectacle.
Armagh won 11 of Dublins 14 kick outs in the first half at the weekend, how does that improve our game? After conceding score a team should be able to restart how they see fit not just a contested ball to engage armchair fans with no dog in the fight.
The 2pt is a red herring too, seen a few games now where teams are just playing the ball around the arc and trying to get a 2 pt score. Really no need.
I've said before the dissent is stupid, book the player and he's walking a fine line for the rest of the game. No need for handing the ball back, it's not go games. Set the ball down and get into position.
When the opposition score the kickout is meant to be an advantage to the defending team which it no longer is. I have saw quite a few pre season games and the team with the kickout invariably gets hemmed in on their own kickout. Free in for not kicking it out within approximately 20 seconds is another crime that doesn't fit the penalty, why not a hop ball like previous? Ref has enough to do without trying to police this in a club league game with no help from anyone else.
Not going back to the keeper is enough to make kickouts competitive, no need for the defending team to have to clear the arc.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 04, 2025, 03:08:48 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 04, 2025, 01:57:31 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on March 04, 2025, 01:46:09 PMI wonder is it possible for the national media to share a balanced view on the new rules and current state of the game than mainly play cheerleaders and shout down any player,Managers that gives constructive criticism?
It's clear in such a short and rushed time too many rule changes was brought in at one time.
every league Sunday show so far has been critical of some of the rules, the confusion around them, the number of them, the implementation and at times lack of transparency / updates.
FRC surely take feedback from all corners in their weekly meetings? It's their game too
Jim Gavin was on the radio this morning. He quoted stats about average kickout times, which were something like 21-22 seconds. Yet Ethan Rafferty was penalised on Sunday after 17 seconds which is far below the average.
If that is the average time, then why are the keepers meant to be penalised after 20? Madness.
Quote from: statto on March 04, 2025, 03:21:37 PMQuote from: Saffron_sam20 on March 04, 2025, 03:08:11 PMQuote from: Silver hill on March 04, 2025, 02:55:43 PMThe game has been in serious decline since 2011 when mcguinness was appointed Donegal manager and achieved success with his system in 2012. As with anything that's successful, plagiarism followed as rival managers tried to emulate it in other counties. McGuinness technically wasn't doing anything illegal or wrong, he simply exploited the rules of the game to suit his style of play. Unfortunately, this trickled down to club football, even as far down as u8s with some clubs.
We continued to go to games because we were invested in it, almost bound by it as our fathers and to their fathers had been before us. For most, the spectacle on show simply wasn't entertaining or in any way enjoyable (apart from the final 5 mins in most games). Something had to change and that is why Jim and co were appointed. Their remit was to simply make the game exciting and enjoyable again.The key change required was limiting the blanket, hence the 3 up rule. Not perfect but not sure what else would have worked better?
Tap and go definitely speeds up the play, a good initiative in my opinion.
Kick out arc encourages contests again and I do think there has been more high fielding on show this year so far. 2 point rule is good but not for a free.
Handing the ball back is too difficult to enforce. Would be happy enough if the player just had to place the ball on the ground after a free was awarded.
50m advance for dissent is too punitive, 30 is plenty although I would concede that the 50 m advance has seriously reduced the verbals.
One man throw in - gimmicky, adds nothing. Everyone will have their own interpretation and opinion but I really do think what we've seen so far has achieved the original objective, ie, to make the game a better spectacle.
Armagh won 11 of Dublins 14 kick outs in the first half at the weekend, how does that improve our game? After conceding score a team should be able to restart how they see fit not just a contested ball to engage armchair fans with no dog in the fight.
The 2pt is a red herring too, seen a few games now where teams are just playing the ball around the arc and trying to get a 2 pt score. Really no need.
I've said before the dissent is stupid, book the player and he's walking a fine line for the rest of the game. No need for handing the ball back, it's not go games. Set the ball down and get into position.
When the opposition score the kickout is meant to be an advantage to the defending team which it no longer is. I have saw quite a few pre season games and the team with the kickout invariably gets hemmed in on their own kickout. Free in for not kicking it out within approximately 20 seconds is another crime that doesn't fit the penalty, why not a hop ball like previous? Ref has enough to do without trying to police this in a club league game with no help from anyone else.
Not going back to the keeper is enough to make kickouts competitive, no need for the defending team to have to clear the arc.
That's what I mean, there's no other game where you have to play a 50/50 ball after conceding a score, it's insane. As you say the no pass to the keeper in their own half completely changed the kick outs anyway
Quote from: Saffron_sam20 on March 04, 2025, 03:25:34 PMQuote from: statto on March 04, 2025, 03:21:37 PMQuote from: Saffron_sam20 on March 04, 2025, 03:08:11 PMQuote from: Silver hill on March 04, 2025, 02:55:43 PMThe game has been in serious decline since 2011 when mcguinness was appointed Donegal manager and achieved success with his system in 2012. As with anything that's successful, plagiarism followed as rival managers tried to emulate it in other counties. McGuinness technically wasn't doing anything illegal or wrong, he simply exploited the rules of the game to suit his style of play. Unfortunately, this trickled down to club football, even as far down as u8s with some clubs.
We continued to go to games because we were invested in it, almost bound by it as our fathers and to their fathers had been before us. For most, the spectacle on show simply wasn't entertaining or in any way enjoyable (apart from the final 5 mins in most games). Something had to change and that is why Jim and co were appointed. Their remit was to simply make the game exciting and enjoyable again.The key change required was limiting the blanket, hence the 3 up rule. Not perfect but not sure what else would have worked better?
Tap and go definitely speeds up the play, a good initiative in my opinion.
Kick out arc encourages contests again and I do think there has been more high fielding on show this year so far. 2 point rule is good but not for a free.
Handing the ball back is too difficult to enforce. Would be happy enough if the player just had to place the ball on the ground after a free was awarded.
50m advance for dissent is too punitive, 30 is plenty although I would concede that the 50 m advance has seriously reduced the verbals.
One man throw in - gimmicky, adds nothing. Everyone will have their own interpretation and opinion but I really do think what we've seen so far has achieved the original objective, ie, to make the game a better spectacle.
Armagh won 11 of Dublins 14 kick outs in the first half at the weekend, how does that improve our game? After conceding score a team should be able to restart how they see fit not just a contested ball to engage armchair fans with no dog in the fight.
The 2pt is a red herring too, seen a few games now where teams are just playing the ball around the arc and trying to get a 2 pt score. Really no need.
I've said before the dissent is stupid, book the player and he's walking a fine line for the rest of the game. No need for handing the ball back, it's not go games. Set the ball down and get into position.
When the opposition score the kickout is meant to be an advantage to the defending team which it no longer is. I have saw quite a few pre season games and the team with the kickout invariably gets hemmed in on their own kickout. Free in for not kicking it out within approximately 20 seconds is another crime that doesn't fit the penalty, why not a hop ball like previous? Ref has enough to do without trying to police this in a club league game with no help from anyone else.
Not going back to the keeper is enough to make kickouts competitive, no need for the defending team to have to clear the arc.
That's what I mean, there's no other game where you have to play a 50/50 ball after conceding a score, it's insane. As you say the no pass to the keeper in their own half completely changed the kick outs anyway
I would argue its less than 50/50 with the keepers under increased pressure with the 20 seconds rule and the fact that only the opposition can touch the ball in certain areas.
Yeah nothing wrong with a short kickout, the way the rule is now with no option to use the keeper, it wpuld leave things very interesting if teams tried to go short. If a team concedes a score the resulting play should be to their advantage, rather than a complete disadvantage the way the new kickout is.
Quote from: statto on March 04, 2025, 03:30:52 PMQuote from: Saffron_sam20 on March 04, 2025, 03:25:34 PMQuote from: statto on March 04, 2025, 03:21:37 PMQuote from: Saffron_sam20 on March 04, 2025, 03:08:11 PMQuote from: Silver hill on March 04, 2025, 02:55:43 PMThe game has been in serious decline since 2011 when mcguinness was appointed Donegal manager and achieved success with his system in 2012. As with anything that's successful, plagiarism followed as rival managers tried to emulate it in other counties. McGuinness technically wasn't doing anything illegal or wrong, he simply exploited the rules of the game to suit his style of play. Unfortunately, this trickled down to club football, even as far down as u8s with some clubs.
We continued to go to games because we were invested in it, almost bound by it as our fathers and to their fathers had been before us. For most, the spectacle on show simply wasn't entertaining or in any way enjoyable (apart from the final 5 mins in most games). Something had to change and that is why Jim and co were appointed. Their remit was to simply make the game exciting and enjoyable again.The key change required was limiting the blanket, hence the 3 up rule. Not perfect but not sure what else would have worked better?
Tap and go definitely speeds up the play, a good initiative in my opinion.
Kick out arc encourages contests again and I do think there has been more high fielding on show this year so far. 2 point rule is good but not for a free.
Handing the ball back is too difficult to enforce. Would be happy enough if the player just had to place the ball on the ground after a free was awarded.
50m advance for dissent is too punitive, 30 is plenty although I would concede that the 50 m advance has seriously reduced the verbals.
One man throw in - gimmicky, adds nothing. Everyone will have their own interpretation and opinion but I really do think what we've seen so far has achieved the original objective, ie, to make the game a better spectacle.
Armagh won 11 of Dublins 14 kick outs in the first half at the weekend, how does that improve our game? After conceding score a team should be able to restart how they see fit not just a contested ball to engage armchair fans with no dog in the fight.
The 2pt is a red herring too, seen a few games now where teams are just playing the ball around the arc and trying to get a 2 pt score. Really no need.
I've said before the dissent is stupid, book the player and he's walking a fine line for the rest of the game. No need for handing the ball back, it's not go games. Set the ball down and get into position.
When the opposition score the kickout is meant to be an advantage to the defending team which it no longer is. I have saw quite a few pre season games and the team with the kickout invariably gets hemmed in on their own kickout. Free in for not kicking it out within approximately 20 seconds is another crime that doesn't fit the penalty, why not a hop ball like previous? Ref has enough to do without trying to police this in a club league game with no help from anyone else.
Not going back to the keeper is enough to make kickouts competitive, no need for the defending team to have to clear the arc.
That's what I mean, there's no other game where you have to play a 50/50 ball after conceding a score, it's insane. As you say the no pass to the keeper in their own half completely changed the kick outs anyway
I would argue its less than 50/50 with the keepers under increased pressure with the 20 seconds rule and the fact that only the opposition can touch the ball in certain areas.
Yeah fair enough, how anyone can see a team like Dublin losing around 80% of their own kickouts in a half of football and think this will work is insane. God help when we come to Leinster champ. That's even before we think bout club
Quote from: Silver hill on March 04, 2025, 02:55:43 PMThe game has been in serious decline since 2011 when mcguinness was appointed Donegal manager and achieved success with his system in 2012. As with anything that's successful, plagiarism followed as rival managers tried to emulate it in other counties. McGuinness technically wasn't doing anything illegal or wrong, he simply exploited the rules of the game to suit his style of play. Unfortunately, this trickled down to club football, even as far down as u8s with some clubs.
Scapegoating of big Jim remains mildly humorous.
If one wanted they could easily flip that and blame the godfather over these new rules Jim Gavin. Afterall his Dublin team was the most programmed,robotic team ever that apart from Jack McCaffrey lacked emotion. Other than the odd Mayo match who brought chaos to matches the majority of their games was boring to watch.
Quote from: Saffron_sam20 on March 04, 2025, 03:08:11 PMQuote from: Silver hill on March 04, 2025, 02:55:43 PMThe game has been in serious decline since 2011 when mcguinness was appointed Donegal manager and achieved success with his system in 2012. As with anything that's successful, plagiarism followed as rival managers tried to emulate it in other counties. McGuinness technically wasn't doing anything illegal or wrong, he simply exploited the rules of the game to suit his style of play. Unfortunately, this trickled down to club football, even as far down as u8s with some clubs.
We continued to go to games because we were invested in it, almost bound by it as our fathers and to their fathers had been before us. For most, the spectacle on show simply wasn't entertaining or in any way enjoyable (apart from the final 5 mins in most games). Something had to change and that is why Jim and co were appointed. Their remit was to simply make the game exciting and enjoyable again.The key change required was limiting the blanket, hence the 3 up rule. Not perfect but not sure what else would have worked better?
Tap and go definitely speeds up the play, a good initiative in my opinion.
Kick out arc encourages contests again and I do think there has been more high fielding on show this year so far. 2 point rule is good but not for a free.
Handing the ball back is too difficult to enforce. Would be happy enough if the player just had to place the ball on the ground after a free was awarded.
50m advance for dissent is too punitive, 30 is plenty although I would concede that the 50 m advance has seriously reduced the verbals.
One man throw in - gimmicky, adds nothing. Everyone will have their own interpretation and opinion but I really do think what we've seen so far has achieved the original objective, ie, to make the game a better spectacle.
Armagh won 11 of Dublins 14 kick outs in the first half at the weekend, how does that improve our game? After conceding score a team should be able to restart how they see fit not just a contested ball to engage armchair fans with no dog in the fight.
The 2pt is a red herring too, seen a few games now where teams are just playing the ball around the arc and trying to get a 2 pt score. Really no need.
I've said before the dissent is stupid, book the player and he's walking a fine line for the rest of the game. No need for handing the ball back, it's not go games. Set the ball down and get into position.
Something I can't get my head around here:
"After conceding score a team should be able to restart how they see fit".
Why? Why oh why oh why?
Why should a team gain a guaranteed possession after conceding?
Most good sporting event have contests between opposing players all over the playing arena. It's why people enjoy watching it. In a Gaelic football match at present there are a few high catches from the longer kickouts, a few long range points and that's about it really. A few moments of entertainment inside an hr and ten minutes of...well....nothing really. The most boring sport in the world? Probably
Quote from: thewobbler on March 04, 2025, 03:56:38 PMQuote from: Saffron_sam20 on March 04, 2025, 03:08:11 PMQuote from: Silver hill on March 04, 2025, 02:55:43 PMThe game has been in serious decline since 2011 when mcguinness was appointed Donegal manager and achieved success with his system in 2012. As with anything that's successful, plagiarism followed as rival managers tried to emulate it in other counties. McGuinness technically wasn't doing anything illegal or wrong, he simply exploited the rules of the game to suit his style of play. Unfortunately, this trickled down to club football, even as far down as u8s with some clubs.
We continued to go to games because we were invested in it, almost bound by it as our fathers and to their fathers had been before us. For most, the spectacle on show simply wasn't entertaining or in any way enjoyable (apart from the final 5 mins in most games). Something had to change and that is why Jim and co were appointed. Their remit was to simply make the game exciting and enjoyable again.The key change required was limiting the blanket, hence the 3 up rule. Not perfect but not sure what else would have worked better?
Tap and go definitely speeds up the play, a good initiative in my opinion.
Kick out arc encourages contests again and I do think there has been more high fielding on show this year so far. 2 point rule is good but not for a free.
Handing the ball back is too difficult to enforce. Would be happy enough if the player just had to place the ball on the ground after a free was awarded.
50m advance for dissent is too punitive, 30 is plenty although I would concede that the 50 m advance has seriously reduced the verbals.
One man throw in - gimmicky, adds nothing. Everyone will have their own interpretation and opinion but I really do think what we've seen so far has achieved the original objective, ie, to make the game a better spectacle.
Armagh won 11 of Dublins 14 kick outs in the first half at the weekend, how does that improve our game? After conceding score a team should be able to restart how they see fit not just a contested ball to engage armchair fans with no dog in the fight.
The 2pt is a red herring too, seen a few games now where teams are just playing the ball around the arc and trying to get a 2 pt score. Really no need.
I've said before the dissent is stupid, book the player and he's walking a fine line for the rest of the game. No need for handing the ball back, it's not go games. Set the ball down and get into position.
Something I can't get my head around here:
"After conceding score a team should be able to restart how they see fit".
Why? Why oh why oh why?
Why should a team gain a guaranteed possession after conceding?
You can ask Wicklow/Longford that question when they meet Dublin next month.
Whatever rules are introduced, managers are going to exploit them whatever way they can.
Quote from: JPO on March 04, 2025, 03:57:57 PMMost good sporting event have contests between opposing players all over the playing arena. It's why people enjoy watching it. In a Gaelic football match at present there are a few high catches from the longer kickouts, a few long range points and that's about it really. A few moments of entertainment inside an hr and ten minutes of...well....nothing really. The most boring sport in the world? Probably
It may not be the game for you...
Quote from: armaghniac on March 04, 2025, 03:08:48 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 04, 2025, 01:57:31 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on March 04, 2025, 01:46:09 PMI wonder is it possible for the national media to share a balanced view on the new rules and current state of the game than mainly play cheerleaders and shout down any player,Managers that gives constructive criticism?
It's clear in such a short and rushed time too many rule changes was brought in at one time.
every league Sunday show so far has been critical of some of the rules, the confusion around them, the number of them, the implementation and at times lack of transparency / updates.
FRC surely take feedback from all corners in their weekly meetings? It's their game too
Jim Gavin was on the radio this morning. He quoted stats about average kickout times, which were something like 21-22 seconds. Yet Ethan Rafferty was penalised on Sunday after 17 seconds which is far below the average.
Some of the decision on Sat night were a bit left field indeed
We were all waiting for the ref on Sunday in Ballyshannon to blow for one, didn't happen
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on March 04, 2025, 04:11:00 PMQuote from: thewobbler on March 04, 2025, 03:56:38 PMQuote from: Saffron_sam20 on March 04, 2025, 03:08:11 PMQuote from: Silver hill on March 04, 2025, 02:55:43 PMThe game has been in serious decline since 2011 when mcguinness was appointed Donegal manager and achieved success with his system in 2012. As with anything that's successful, plagiarism followed as rival managers tried to emulate it in other counties. McGuinness technically wasn't doing anything illegal or wrong, he simply exploited the rules of the game to suit his style of play. Unfortunately, this trickled down to club football, even as far down as u8s with some clubs.
We continued to go to games because we were invested in it, almost bound by it as our fathers and to their fathers had been before us. For most, the spectacle on show simply wasn't entertaining or in any way enjoyable (apart from the final 5 mins in most games). Something had to change and that is why Jim and co were appointed. Their remit was to simply make the game exciting and enjoyable again.The key change required was limiting the blanket, hence the 3 up rule. Not perfect but not sure what else would have worked better?
Tap and go definitely speeds up the play, a good initiative in my opinion.
Kick out arc encourages contests again and I do think there has been more high fielding on show this year so far. 2 point rule is good but not for a free.
Handing the ball back is too difficult to enforce. Would be happy enough if the player just had to place the ball on the ground after a free was awarded.
50m advance for dissent is too punitive, 30 is plenty although I would concede that the 50 m advance has seriously reduced the verbals.
One man throw in - gimmicky, adds nothing. Everyone will have their own interpretation and opinion but I really do think what we've seen so far has achieved the original objective, ie, to make the game a better spectacle.
Armagh won 11 of Dublins 14 kick outs in the first half at the weekend, how does that improve our game? After conceding score a team should be able to restart how they see fit not just a contested ball to engage armchair fans with no dog in the fight.
The 2pt is a red herring too, seen a few games now where teams are just playing the ball around the arc and trying to get a 2 pt score. Really no need.
I've said before the dissent is stupid, book the player and he's walking a fine line for the rest of the game. No need for handing the ball back, it's not go games. Set the ball down and get into position.
Something I can't get my head around here:
"After conceding score a team should be able to restart how they see fit".
Why? Why oh why oh why?
Why should a team gain a guaranteed possession after conceding?
You can ask Wicklow/Longford that question when they meet Dublin next month.
Whatever rules are introduced, managers are going to exploit them whatever way they can.
Ah ffs.
If there's one thing the new rules won't be responsible for its mismatches involving Dublin.
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on March 04, 2025, 04:11:00 PMQuote from: thewobbler on March 04, 2025, 03:56:38 PMQuote from: Saffron_sam20 on March 04, 2025, 03:08:11 PMQuote from: Silver hill on March 04, 2025, 02:55:43 PMThe game has been in serious decline since 2011 when mcguinness was appointed Donegal manager and achieved success with his system in 2012. As with anything that's successful, plagiarism followed as rival managers tried to emulate it in other counties. McGuinness technically wasn't doing anything illegal or wrong, he simply exploited the rules of the game to suit his style of play. Unfortunately, this trickled down to club football, even as far down as u8s with some clubs.
We continued to go to games because we were invested in it, almost bound by it as our fathers and to their fathers had been before us. For most, the spectacle on show simply wasn't entertaining or in any way enjoyable (apart from the final 5 mins in most games). Something had to change and that is why Jim and co were appointed. Their remit was to simply make the game exciting and enjoyable again.The key change required was limiting the blanket, hence the 3 up rule. Not perfect but not sure what else would have worked better?
Tap and go definitely speeds up the play, a good initiative in my opinion.
Kick out arc encourages contests again and I do think there has been more high fielding on show this year so far. 2 point rule is good but not for a free.
Handing the ball back is too difficult to enforce. Would be happy enough if the player just had to place the ball on the ground after a free was awarded.
50m advance for dissent is too punitive, 30 is plenty although I would concede that the 50 m advance has seriously reduced the verbals.
One man throw in - gimmicky, adds nothing. Everyone will have their own interpretation and opinion but I really do think what we've seen so far has achieved the original objective, ie, to make the game a better spectacle.
Armagh won 11 of Dublins 14 kick outs in the first half at the weekend, how does that improve our game? After conceding score a team should be able to restart how they see fit not just a contested ball to engage armchair fans with no dog in the fight.
The 2pt is a red herring too, seen a few games now where teams are just playing the ball around the arc and trying to get a 2 pt score. Really no need.
I've said before the dissent is stupid, book the player and he's walking a fine line for the rest of the game. No need for handing the ball back, it's not go games. Set the ball down and get into position.
Something I can't get my head around here:
"After conceding score a team should be able to restart how they see fit".
Why? Why oh why oh why?
Why should a team gain a guaranteed possession after conceding?
You can ask Wicklow/Longford that question when they meet Dublin next month.
Whatever rules are introduced, managers are going to exploit them whatever way they can.
Exactly why these teams shouldn't be playing the Dubs in the championship. Never understood why county football championship isn't divided up like hurling or club championships. Would Clare play Wicklow in hurling championship or Limerick play Kerry?
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 04, 2025, 04:11:32 PMQuote from: JPO on March 04, 2025, 03:57:57 PMMost good sporting event have contests between opposing players all over the playing arena. It's why people enjoy watching it. In a Gaelic football match at present there are a few high catches from the longer kickouts, a few long range points and that's about it really. A few moments of entertainment inside an hr and ten minutes of...well....nothing really. The most boring sport in the world? Probably
It may not be the game for you...
:)... Moaning hoor should stay in the house and watch soccer, cricket, rugby league, hockey, netball, gridiron etc
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 04, 2025, 04:11:32 PMQuote from: JPO on March 04, 2025, 03:57:57 PMMost good sporting event have contests between opposing players all over the playing arena. It's why people enjoy watching it. In a Gaelic football match at present there are a few high catches from the longer kickouts, a few long range points and that's about it really. A few moments of entertainment inside an hr and ten minutes of...well....nothing really. The most boring sport in the world? Probably
It may not be the game for you...
Under the new rules there's been more scores, more contests, more physicality, more turnovers and a new phenomenon in several games whereby a 10point plus lead had been hauled back. The only boring bit that I've seen was the lateral fist passing across the arc that I think could be sorted by a complete ban on passing to the keeper.
I watched Derry/donegal Armagh/dublin, Galway Tyrone and Kerry mayo; all entertaining and contested right to the finish. Some people are very hard to please.
Quote from: thewobbler on March 04, 2025, 04:21:11 PMQuote from: Ethan Tremblay on March 04, 2025, 04:11:00 PMQuote from: thewobbler on March 04, 2025, 03:56:38 PMQuote from: Saffron_sam20 on March 04, 2025, 03:08:11 PMQuote from: Silver hill on March 04, 2025, 02:55:43 PMThe game has been in serious decline since 2011 when mcguinness was appointed Donegal manager and achieved success with his system in 2012. As with anything that's successful, plagiarism followed as rival managers tried to emulate it in other counties. McGuinness technically wasn't doing anything illegal or wrong, he simply exploited the rules of the game to suit his style of play. Unfortunately, this trickled down to club football, even as far down as u8s with some clubs.
We continued to go to games because we were invested in it, almost bound by it as our fathers and to their fathers had been before us. For most, the spectacle on show simply wasn't entertaining or in any way enjoyable (apart from the final 5 mins in most games). Something had to change and that is why Jim and co were appointed. Their remit was to simply make the game exciting and enjoyable again.The key change required was limiting the blanket, hence the 3 up rule. Not perfect but not sure what else would have worked better?
Tap and go definitely speeds up the play, a good initiative in my opinion.
Kick out arc encourages contests again and I do think there has been more high fielding on show this year so far. 2 point rule is good but not for a free.
Handing the ball back is too difficult to enforce. Would be happy enough if the player just had to place the ball on the ground after a free was awarded.
50m advance for dissent is too punitive, 30 is plenty although I would concede that the 50 m advance has seriously reduced the verbals.
One man throw in - gimmicky, adds nothing. Everyone will have their own interpretation and opinion but I really do think what we've seen so far has achieved the original objective, ie, to make the game a better spectacle.
Armagh won 11 of Dublins 14 kick outs in the first half at the weekend, how does that improve our game? After conceding score a team should be able to restart how they see fit not just a contested ball to engage armchair fans with no dog in the fight.
The 2pt is a red herring too, seen a few games now where teams are just playing the ball around the arc and trying to get a 2 pt score. Really no need.
I've said before the dissent is stupid, book the player and he's walking a fine line for the rest of the game. No need for handing the ball back, it's not go games. Set the ball down and get into position.
Something I can't get my head around here:
"After conceding score a team should be able to restart how they see fit".
Why? Why oh why oh why?
Why should a team gain a guaranteed possession after conceding?
You can ask Wicklow/Longford that question when they meet Dublin next month.
Whatever rules are introduced, managers are going to exploit them whatever way they can.
Ah ffs.
If there's one thing the new rules won't be responsible for its mismatches involving Dublin.
Certainly not, but the fact remains there are mismatch's. I'm only highlighting where the kickout rule is going to really fail teams down the line.
If the rules are going to be discussed, they may as well be discussed in the broadest sense.
Quote from: JPO on March 04, 2025, 03:57:57 PMMost good sporting event have contests between opposing players all over the playing arena. It's why people enjoy watching it. In a Gaelic football match at present there are a few high catches from the longer kickouts, a few long range points and that's about it really. A few moments of entertainment inside an hr and ten minutes of...well....nothing really. The most boring sport in the world? Probably
Do they? The sports I watch most other than GAA would be soccer basketball and bit of rugby and NFL. All them sports have something in common. The team in possession of the ball trying to build some form of attack and the other team a system to stop it. Not too many 1v1 contests in them sports if it can be avoided. It's all about control but yet we want our teams in GAA to not have control
Quote from: Saffron_sam20 on March 04, 2025, 04:40:30 PMQuote from: JPO on March 04, 2025, 03:57:57 PMMost good sporting event have contests between opposing players all over the playing arena. It's why people enjoy watching it. In a Gaelic football match at present there are a few high catches from the longer kickouts, a few long range points and that's about it really. A few moments of entertainment inside an hr and ten minutes of...well....nothing really. The most boring sport in the world? Probably
Do they? The sports I watch most other than GAA would be soccer basketball and bit of rugby and NFL. All them sports have something in common. The team in possession of the ball trying to build some form of attack and the other team a system to stop it. Not too many 1v1 contests in them sports if it can be avoided. It's all about control but yet we want our teams in GAA to not have control
Soccer removed the back pass rule 30 years ago.
Basketball has had back court rules and shot clocks since the 1950s.
Rugby split in two a hundred years ago because half of them thought it demented that you could keep ball forever without going forward. The other half have spent 100 years since devising and testing rules to ensure that "up your jumper" rugby is considered an occasional tactic rather than a game plan.
NFL has 4 downs to move 10 yards. Or else the opposition gets it back.
Look, I don't think you're looking at this logically. The fundamental problem that FRC are trying to solve is that the balance of possession vs territory in Gaelic Football had become extraordinarily tilted towards possession. And the end product was a borefest. So the one new rule they cannot change is this kickout rule. For the minute they facilitate endless periods of skill-less possession, is the minute they wave the white flag.
Agree with Wobbler.
Why should you get an advantage for conceding a score???
From the 1880s to the the 20 tens most kick outs were boomed as far as possible down the field.
The new rules aren't perfect by any means but the games are better and there's more jeopardy in them.
All the chat from managers needs to be tuned out. Brennan/McGuinness/McGeeney/Tally and these lads are used to their teams controlling games with possession and tactics and pundits lauding the managers for it when the game was a snoozefest and very few players stood out.
If we can get the rules sorted properly it'll be players who decide matches rather than managers and the veneration these lads have will disappear and rightly so.
There's way more chance of upsets under the new rules which is exactly what managers don't want!
Quote from: thewobbler on March 04, 2025, 04:48:59 PMQuote from: Saffron_sam20 on March 04, 2025, 04:40:30 PMQuote from: JPO on March 04, 2025, 03:57:57 PMMost good sporting event have contests between opposing players all over the playing arena. It's why people enjoy watching it. In a Gaelic football match at present there are a few high catches from the longer kickouts, a few long range points and that's about it really. A few moments of entertainment inside an hr and ten minutes of...well....nothing really. The most boring sport in the world? Probably
Do they? The sports I watch most other than GAA would be soccer basketball and bit of rugby and NFL. All them sports have something in common. The team in possession of the ball trying to build some form of attack and the other team a system to stop it. Not too many 1v1 contests in them sports if it can be avoided. It's all about control but yet we want our teams in GAA to not have control
Look, I don't think you're looking at this logically. The fundamental problem that FRC are trying to solve is that the balance of possession vs territory in Gaelic Football had become extraordinarily tilted towards possession. And the end product was a borefest. So the one new rule they cannot change is this kickout rule. For the minute they facilitate endless periods of skill-less possession, is the minute they wave the white flag.
Reverting back to the kickouts before these rule changes won't facilitate endless possession and certainly won't guarantee possession to the team kicking the ball out.
A team can still push up as they always have and with the keeper unable to receive the ball and play as an additional defender, then the incentive is to push up and try to turn the ball over right up the pitch.
As it stands now, it's eenie meenie miney mo re kickouts against the wind as ball is going into an area of the pitch packed with footballers, and luck over skill takes over
It's prob the only rule I've a real issue with. The games are far more enjoyable to watch
Quote from: screenexile on March 04, 2025, 05:23:51 PMThe new rules aren't perfect by any means but the games are better and there's more jeopardy in them.
All the chat from managers needs to be tuned out. Brennan/McGuinness/McGeeney/Tally and these lads are used to their teams controlling games with possession and tactics and pundits lauding the managers for it when the game was a snoozefest and very few players stood out.
If we can get the rules sorted properly it'll be players who decide matches rather than managers and the veneration these lads have will disappear and rightly so.
There's way more chance of upsets under the new rules which is exactly what managers don't want!
The league over the last number of years always had big jeopardy with promotion and relegation. The new rules bringing more jeopardy I'm not so sure.
Gaelic footballers are coached to avoid contact. Taking the ball into the tackle as they call it now is frowned upon by managers so players turn back and handpass around the arc endlessly. There are big hits in rugby and American football all the time. In soccer there is a contest for the ball on a corner. Players jumping to head the ball. In Gaelic these days most players dont or cant even jump for a high ball from a kickout never mind catch it. It was once a great skill taught at underage level. Its quite pitiful to see so called gaelic footballers in todays game scrambling about under a high ball not sure what to do. Very few balls are kicked in as its deemed too risky in case possession is lost. The high scoring in games is mainly due to pathetic defending. The art of defending has been lost. Any clown can defend a zone with 11 other players. .
Trolling an online forum isn't much of a sport either in fairness
The truth hurts
JPO best ignored me thinks.
For years Pat Spillane and Joe Brolly have been highlighting the dire state of football and the need for change. They were ignored. They have been proven right.
Managers and coaches exploiting the rules to not lose rather than trying to win was the problem.
Definitely not the skill level of the players. It's so much higher now than it was 20 years ago.
Twenty years ago it was a novelty if a player could use both feet competently. Now it's the norm.
Quote from: JPO on March 04, 2025, 07:59:53 PMFor years Pat Spillane and Joe Brolly have been highlighting the dire state of football and the need for change. They were ignored. They have been proven right.
Badly stuck now if you're listening to those 2, Spillane especially is a halfwit, good craic but his opinions dont tend to reflect reality.
Quote from: thewobbler on March 04, 2025, 04:48:59 PMQuote from: Saffron_sam20 on March 04, 2025, 04:40:30 PMQuote from: JPO on March 04, 2025, 03:57:57 PMMost good sporting event have contests between opposing players all over the playing arena. It's why people enjoy watching it. In a Gaelic football match at present there are a few high catches from the longer kickouts, a few long range points and that's about it really. A few moments of entertainment inside an hr and ten minutes of...well....nothing really. The most boring sport in the world? Probably
Do they? The sports I watch most other than GAA would be soccer basketball and bit of rugby and NFL. All them sports have something in common. The team in possession of the ball trying to build some form of attack and the other team a system to stop it. Not too many 1v1 contests in them sports if it can be avoided. It's all about control but yet we want our teams in GAA to not have control
Soccer removed the back pass rule 30 years ago.
Basketball has had back court rules and shot clocks since the 1950s.
Rugby split in two a hundred years ago because half of them thought it demented that you could keep ball forever without going forward. The other half have spent 100 years since devising and testing rules to ensure that "up your jumper" rugby is considered an occasional tactic rather than a game plan.
NFL has 4 downs to move 10 yards. Or else the opposition gets it back.
Look, I don't think you're looking at this logically. The fundamental problem that FRC are trying to solve is that the balance of possession vs territory in Gaelic Football had become extraordinarily tilted towards possession. And the end product was a borefest. So the one new rule they cannot change is this kickout rule. For the minute they facilitate endless periods of skill-less possession, is the minute they wave the white flag.
Yes i get that and i agree, but its kinda not the point i was masking, the original poster said that all these sports have contests between opposition players. The rules you have stated don't prove his point. For example I can get on board with not passing the ball back to the keeper in their own half which would cut down on a lot of the problems with slow play. I genuinely feel that on its own would have been enough.
I actually would have liked to see the rule like backcourt once passed the halfway line you couldn't have went back, would have been much easier than all the rules we have now.
Quote from: Saffron_sam20 on March 05, 2025, 08:25:07 AMQuote from: thewobbler on March 04, 2025, 04:48:59 PMQuote from: Saffron_sam20 on March 04, 2025, 04:40:30 PMQuote from: JPO on March 04, 2025, 03:57:57 PMMost good sporting event have contests between opposing players all over the playing arena. It's why people enjoy watching it. In a Gaelic football match at present there are a few high catches from the longer kickouts, a few long range points and that's about it really. A few moments of entertainment inside an hr and ten minutes of...well....nothing really. The most boring sport in the world? Probably
Do they? The sports I watch most other than GAA would be soccer basketball and bit of rugby and NFL. All them sports have something in common. The team in possession of the ball trying to build some form of attack and the other team a system to stop it. Not too many 1v1 contests in them sports if it can be avoided. It's all about control but yet we want our teams in GAA to not have control
Soccer removed the back pass rule 30 years ago.
Basketball has had back court rules and shot clocks since the 1950s.
Rugby split in two a hundred years ago because half of them thought it demented that you could keep ball forever without going forward. The other half have spent 100 years since devising and testing rules to ensure that "up your jumper" rugby is considered an occasional tactic rather than a game plan.
NFL has 4 downs to move 10 yards. Or else the opposition gets it back.
Look, I don't think you're looking at this logically. The fundamental problem that FRC are trying to solve is that the balance of possession vs territory in Gaelic Football had become extraordinarily tilted towards possession. And the end product was a borefest. So the one new rule they cannot change is this kickout rule. For the minute they facilitate endless periods of skill-less possession, is the minute they wave the white flag.
Yes i get that and i agree, but its kinda not the point i was masking, the original poster said that all these sports have contests between opposition players. The rules you have stated don't prove his point. For example I can get on board with not passing the ball back to the keeper in their own half which would cut down on a lot of the problems with slow play. I genuinely feel that on its own would have been enough.
I actually would have liked to see the rule like backcourt once passed the halfway line you couldn't have went back, would have been much easier than all the rules we have now.
Back court wouldn't work. You'd straight away counter it by allowing teams have the ball until they cross into your half, drop everyone back and then turn them over because they have feckall space.
Agree on the kickout one.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 05, 2025, 08:43:30 AMQuote from: Saffron_sam20 on March 05, 2025, 08:25:07 AMQuote from: thewobbler on March 04, 2025, 04:48:59 PMQuote from: Saffron_sam20 on March 04, 2025, 04:40:30 PMQuote from: JPO on March 04, 2025, 03:57:57 PMMost good sporting event have contests between opposing players all over the playing arena. It's why people enjoy watching it. In a Gaelic football match at present there are a few high catches from the longer kickouts, a few long range points and that's about it really. A few moments of entertainment inside an hr and ten minutes of...well....nothing really. The most boring sport in the world? Probably
Do they? The sports I watch most other than GAA would be soccer basketball and bit of rugby and NFL. All them sports have something in common. The team in possession of the ball trying to build some form of attack and the other team a system to stop it. Not too many 1v1 contests in them sports if it can be avoided. It's all about control but yet we want our teams in GAA to not have control
Soccer removed the back pass rule 30 years ago.
Basketball has had back court rules and shot clocks since the 1950s.
Rugby split in two a hundred years ago because half of them thought it demented that you could keep ball forever without going forward. The other half have spent 100 years since devising and testing rules to ensure that "up your jumper" rugby is considered an occasional tactic rather than a game plan.
NFL has 4 downs to move 10 yards. Or else the opposition gets it back.
Look, I don't think you're looking at this logically. The fundamental problem that FRC are trying to solve is that the balance of possession vs territory in Gaelic Football had become extraordinarily tilted towards possession. And the end product was a borefest. So the one new rule they cannot change is this kickout rule. For the minute they facilitate endless periods of skill-less possession, is the minute they wave the white flag.
Yes i get that and i agree, but its kinda not the point i was masking, the original poster said that all these sports have contests between opposition players. The rules you have stated don't prove his point. For example I can get on board with not passing the ball back to the keeper in their own half which would cut down on a lot of the problems with slow play. I genuinely feel that on its own would have been enough.
I actually would have liked to see the rule like backcourt once passed the halfway line you couldn't have went back, would have been much easier than all the rules we have now.
Back court wouldn't work. You'd straight away counter it by allowing teams have the ball until they cross into your half, drop everyone back and then turn them over because they have feckall space.
Agree on the kickout one.
Yeah you're prob right, I genuinely think with the gk not being able to take the ball in their own half we've already reduced the messing about with players just messing about in their own half as there can't be 'piggy in the middle if anything its just moved it further up with them doing it in the opposition half as the GK can get involved and the defending team drops to around the arc as opposed to over 45 as they did last year. I can accept that though as its more chance of working a score as opposed to last year.
I'm not sure about the conviction for "backcourt wouldn't work".
Here's how I see it: the biggest issue with the "old game" is that if one team has no interest in playing attacking football, then the opposition has no choice but to follow suit. And the main reason for this is the piggy in the middle problem. There's only so many times any man can make a 50m run to close off space, to see the ball kicked straight back over his head, before he will accept it's not worth it. Ciaran Kilkenny doing this on repeat in Leinster SFC games is perhaps the lowlight of the era.
What a backcourt line should do - in my mind at least - is reward a team that pushes up and forces the opposition to go forward. They may still face bouts of piggy in the middle, but those 50m runs become 25m darts and much easier to lay traps for poor passes.
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This would solve the problem I do believe, if one team is intent on playing.
If neither team is intent on playing, well I don't there's rules can help us there.
Quote from: thewobbler on March 05, 2025, 09:37:27 AMI'm not sure about the conviction for "backcourt wouldn't work".
Here's how I see it: the biggest issue with the "old game" is that if one team has no interest in playing attacking football, then the opposition has no choice but to follow suit. And the main reason for this is the piggy in the middle problem. There's only so many times any man can make a 50m run to close off space, to see the ball kicked straight back over his head, before he will accept it's not worth it. Ciaran Kilkenny doing this on repeat in Leinster SFC games is perhaps the lowlight of the era.
What a backcourt line should do - in my mind at least - is reward a team that pushes up and forces the opposition to go forward. They may still face bouts of piggy in the middle, but those 50m runs become 25m darts and much easier to lay traps for poor passes.
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This would solve the problem I do believe, if one team is intent on playing.
If neither team is intent on playing, well I don't there's rules can help us there.
But with the keeper not being able to take the ball back inside their own half if a treat pushes up then they shouldn't really be able to play piggy in the middle and they'd be taking a massive risk in doing so. ESP in club games, the players wouldn't be good enough to do it without getting turned over, be a stupid tactic from managers for them to do it if opposition pushes up
Quote from: Saffron_sam20 on March 05, 2025, 09:46:15 AMQuote from: thewobbler on March 05, 2025, 09:37:27 AMI'm not sure about the conviction for "backcourt wouldn't work".
Here's how I see it: the biggest issue with the "old game" is that if one team has no interest in playing attacking football, then the opposition has no choice but to follow suit. And the main reason for this is the piggy in the middle problem. There's only so many times any man can make a 50m run to close off space, to see the ball kicked straight back over his head, before he will accept it's not worth it. Ciaran Kilkenny doing this on repeat in Leinster SFC games is perhaps the lowlight of the era.
What a backcourt line should do - in my mind at least - is reward a team that pushes up and forces the opposition to go forward. They may still face bouts of piggy in the middle, but those 50m runs become 25m darts and much easier to lay traps for poor passes.
——
This would solve the problem I do believe, if one team is intent on playing.
If neither team is intent on playing, well I don't there's rules can help us there.
But with the keeper not being able to take the ball back inside their own half if a treat pushes up then they shouldn't really be able to play piggy in the middle and they'd be taking a massive risk in doing so. ESP in club games, the players wouldn't be good enough to do it without getting turned over, be a stupid tactic from managers for them to do it if opposition pushes up
Yep agreed SS2. But I think a backcourt line would still help it further. Just going back to the original Railway Cup games, I just found it fecken odd that it was the keeper continually recycling the ball back to unmarked teammate(s) in his own half, before doubling back into an attacking position. Of course this was an odd game full stop in that players who's spent 10 years recycling possession at halfway are always going to be inclined towards it, regardless of rules.
Whichever team comes up with some good innovative ways to use (and abuse) the new rules will win the All-Ireland.
It's unlikely to see too much innovation or success in year one.
It took 100 years to come up with mass defence coupled with lightning fast mass counter attack.
In 1979 the 3 pointer came into the NBA and it took until the 2015 Golden State Warriors as the first winners of the NBA Championship with 3 pointers as the predominant tactic. GSW themselves had 4 years of using the tactic before success came.
2 untapped areas I see:
1. Once in the lead, playing keep ball for 5+ minutes. So easy with the new rules with 6 less players in the half and 12 v 11 players.
2. Kickouts.
Doesn't have to be contested kickouts. The arc is 83 metres in length and only 20 metres from the kickout spot. Surely quite easy for a player to make a run into space somewhere along the arc and the goalie kick a 21 metre chest pass?
Quote from: blanketattack on March 05, 2025, 10:49:10 AMWhichever team comes up with some good innovative ways to use (and abuse) the new rules will win the All-Ireland.
It's unlikely to see too much innovation or success in year one.
It took 100 years to come up with mass defence coupled with lightning fast mass counter attack.
In 1979 the 3 pointer came into the NBA and it took until the 2015 Golden State Warriors as the first winners of the NBA Championship with 3 pointers as the predominant tactic. GSW themselves had 4 years of using the tactic before success came.
2 untapped areas I see:
1. Once in the lead, playing keep ball for 5+ minutes. So easy with the new rules with 6 less players in the half and 12 v 11 players.
2. Kickouts.
Doesn't have to be contested kickouts. The arc is 83 metres in length and only 20 metres from the kickout spot. Surely quite easy for a player to make a run into space somewhere along the arc and the goalie kick a 21 metre chest pass?
And now in comparison to todays game they would be near the bottom of the list in terms of 3pa because, like in football, teams evolved and recognised that they needed to update their playstyle in order to win and they shouldn't be playing the same way they did 20 years ago. Only difference is that teams are allowed to evolve in the NBA without the rules being changed this drastically
Quote from: blanketattack on March 05, 2025, 10:49:10 AMWhichever team comes up with some good innovative ways to use (and abuse) the new rules will win the All-Ireland.
It's unlikely to see too much innovation or success in year one.
It took 100 years to come up with mass defence coupled with lightning fast mass counter attack.
In 1979 the 3 pointer came into the NBA and it took until the 2015 Golden State Warriors as the first winners of the NBA Championship with 3 pointers as the predominant tactic. GSW themselves had 4 years of using the tactic before success came.
2 untapped areas I see:
1. Once in the lead, playing keep ball for 5+ minutes. So easy with the new rules with 6 less players in the half and 12 v 11 players.
2. Kickouts.
Doesn't have to be contested kickouts. The arc is 83 metres in length and only 20 metres from the kickout spot. Surely quite easy for a player to make a run into space somewhere along the arc and the goalie kick a 21 metre chest pass?
If coaches are not already plotting how to stop no.1 then they're not going to last as coaches. Eg The trailing team's keeper goes to the full back position. The full back goes to mark the opposition keeper.
Of course a clever opposing FF could drag the GK out some 60m and leave his goal completely exposed. But if the man up advantage only exists in the opposition half, then there won't be that much room for him to manoeuvre into.
Quote from: blanketattack on March 05, 2025, 10:49:10 AMWhichever team comes up with some good innovative ways to use (and abuse) the new rules will win the All-Ireland.
It's unlikely to see too much innovation or success in year one.
It took 100 years to come up with mass defence coupled with lightning fast mass counter attack.
In 1979 the 3 pointer came into the NBA and it took until the 2015 Golden State Warriors as the first winners of the NBA Championship with 3 pointers as the predominant tactic. GSW themselves had 4 years of using the tactic before success came.
2 untapped areas I see:
1. Once in the lead, playing keep ball for 5+ minutes. So easy with the new rules with 6 less players in the half and 12 v 11 players.
2. Kickouts.
Doesn't have to be contested kickouts. The arc is 83 metres in length and only 20 metres from the kickout spot. Surely quite easy for a player to make a run into space somewhere along the arc and the goalie kick a 21 metre chest pass?
Even in perfect conditions there is very little space to hit unless a team sits a bit deeper for a spell, which a good few teams have done when playing against the wind.
The risk of being turned over that far up the pitch has increased with the longer distance required to kick to. Add in the fact that the opposition can have men stationed inside the 20m line, then you're risking alot by going short.
With the keeper not allowed on the ball you'll have the opposition either going man to man (even numbers) or going zonal where they can react left or right around the arc.. So again, very risky going short.
So all in all risky, now add in windy and / or wet conditions. This is the reason a huge percentage of kickouts are going long.. Then it's into the lap of the gods alot of the time who wins possession
Quote from: blanketattack on March 05, 2025, 10:49:10 AMWhichever team comes up with some good innovative ways to use (and abuse) the new rules will win the All-Ireland.
It's unlikely to see too much innovation or success in year one.
It took 100 years to come up with mass defence coupled with lightning fast mass counter attack.
In 1979 the 3 pointer came into the NBA and it took until the 2015 Golden State Warriors as the first winners of the NBA Championship with 3 pointers as the predominant tactic. GSW themselves had 4 years of using the tactic before success came.
2 untapped areas I see:
1. Once in the lead, playing keep ball for 5+ minutes. So easy with the new rules with 6 less players in the half and 12 v 11 players.
2. Kickouts.
Doesn't have to be contested kickouts. The arc is 83 metres in length and only 20 metres from the kickout spot. Surely quite easy for a player to make a run into space somewhere along the arc and the goalie kick a 21 metre chest pass?
The big issue with the chest pass along the arc is the kicking team has to wait outside the arc on the ball to come to the kickout target, but the forward marking him can step in front of him into the arc to intercept the chest pass.
This is why there are so few short kickouts getting away unless they are conceded. If they go wrong there is a good chance of conceding a goal, and they are easy enough to intercept. This is why we are seeing long kickouts which results in 26 breaking balls in the Galway v Tyrone game on Sunday. That can't be what we want?
And why not?
Quote from: Rossfan on March 05, 2025, 02:20:25 PMAnd why not?
Oh, I thought we wanted high fielding. Not requiring a kickout to go 40m will increase the amount of high catching as teams will be spread from the old D outwards, this will lead to more 1 on 1 aerial battles.
If it is chaos we want we should use an oval ball as that introduces a whole other level of unpredictability.
Its only chaos at present because, with a few notable exceptions, most players are unable to field a high ball from a kickout. Perhaps this skill could be taught again at underage level across the clubs? It seems beyond the capability of senior footballers
Quote from: JPO on March 05, 2025, 06:55:19 PMIts only chaos at present because, with a few notable exceptions, most players are unable to field a high ball from a kickout. Perhaps this skill could be taught again at underage level across the clubs? It seems beyond the capability of senior footballers
How many references to catching/high fielding have you given in your 43 posts now?
A lot I guess. It is one of the basic skills in gaelic football, as is kick passing, The new rules were introduced to encourage it because it made football entertaining.
Quote from: JPO on March 05, 2025, 06:55:19 PMIts only chaos at present because, with a few notable exceptions, most players are unable to field a high ball from a kickout. Perhaps this skill could be taught again at underage level across the clubs? It seems beyond the capability of senior footballers
It's pretty hard to catch a ball when the opposition's 6ft 5 midfielder is intent on just driving his fist through the ball. This is what happens on the vast majority of long kickouts this year.
I agree with you however that's a result of modern coaching I'm afraid. I know of club managers instructing their players Not catch the ball but to "smash" it .If The oppositions 6ft 5 midfielder is able to drive his fist through the ball then he is surely able to catch it instead?
Quote from: JPO on March 05, 2025, 08:33:19 PMI agree with you however that's a result of modern coaching I'm afraid. I know of club managers instructing their players Not catch the ball but to "smash" it .If The oppositions 6ft 5 midfielder is able to drive his fist through the ball then he is surely able to catch it instead?
Absolutely no idea what you're watching because I've seen loads of high fielding in the league so far and loads of contests.
Quote from: JPO on March 05, 2025, 08:33:19 PMI agree with you however that's a result of modern coaching I'm afraid. I know of club managers instructing their players Not catch the ball but to "smash" it .If The oppositions 6ft 5 midfielder is able to drive his fist through the ball then he is surely able to catch it instead?
You're bound to be trolling, but surely you know it's a lot easier to break a ball that catch it, not least because you can reach higher with one hand than with two.
I think there was as much high fielding in the league last year as there has been this year.
The Mark was introduced to encourage kicking and catching - are they now admitting that it doesnt work?
Too many rules introduced at the same time with the reasoning not that good in my opinion.
If the main aim of the exercise is to speed up the game, the solo-and-go rule would have been a good first step.
Why didn't they introduce that one rule and see what the impact of that was?
The main difference in the game now, is that it's more chaotic and it games are more likely to have results influenced by weather conditions.
The hooter rule, I thought I liked but actually, I'm coming to realise that not knowing exactly when the game was going to end gave games an air of excitement coming up to the end. So now I'm torn on that one.
Quote from: tbrick18 on March 06, 2025, 09:35:18 AMI think there was as much high fielding in the league last year as there has been this year.
The Mark was introduced to encourage kicking and catching - are they now admitting that it doesnt work?
Too many rules introduced at the same time with the reasoning not that good in my opinion.
If the main aim of the exercise is to speed up the game, the solo-and-go rule would have been a good first step.
Why didn't they introduce that one rule and see what the impact of that was?
The main difference in the game now, is that it's more chaotic and it games are more likely to have results influenced by weather conditions.
The hooter rule, I thought I liked but actually, I'm coming to realise that not knowing exactly when the game was going to end gave games an air of excitement coming up to the end. So now I'm torn on that one.
It's funny how the hooter is being received, the amount of people complaining about the ref 'adding' time to the game before the hooter and now when it goes, it is a bit flat, think most people will know that teams that can control the ball will run the clock down and more as they can see the time on the screens now at the county grounds
Some people looking for 2 pointers to be from play only and not from frees.
Wouldn't that lead to an awful lot of fouls between the Arc and 45 or beyond?
As an aside - Should frees for fouls on the ball e g touching on ground, 2 hops etc be only 1 pointers while fouls on the man remain 2??
Quote from: Rossfan on March 06, 2025, 10:32:39 AMSome people looking for 2 pointers to be from play only and not from frees.
Wouldn't that lead to an awful lot of fouls between the Arc and 45 or beyond?
As an aside - Should frees for fouls on the ball e g touching on ground, 2 hops etc be only 1 pointers while fouls on the man remain 2??
Great point, 2pts up and game on the blow other team have the ball round the arc just pull him down. I don't think we need the 2pt at all. Can live with keeper not touching ball inside his own half, like the solo and go. And if it can be worked the 3v3. They change the game, not the reat
When you are relying on the ref to signal when times up the mentality would be to try and get the ball back to front as quick as can to get the winning score as the time left is at ref discretion.
With the hooter if the game is level and the teams wins a kickout they will invariably hold the ball until the dying few seconds to try and get the shot off then.(Armagh v Mayo game was an example of this) I thought the hooter would be good but would ditch it after seeing it in action. Bit of a farce that it is not in play in D3 and D4 also.
Quote from: Rossfan on March 06, 2025, 10:32:39 AMSome people looking for 2 pointers to be from play only and not from frees.
Wouldn't that lead to an awful lot of fouls between the Arc and 45 or beyond?
As an aside - Should frees for fouls on the ball e g touching on ground, 2 hops etc be only 1 pointers while fouls on the man remain 2??
I thought this initially but I now think if keeping 2 points it should only be from play (much more skill involved). Free's round the arc will be converted by most decent free takers in good conditions and teams won't want to deliberately give up a free/point by fouling. And there is also the option for a quick tap and go which reduces the incentive to foul as well. Too many soft free's resulting in two points will happen if the rule stays as is and it's too great a reward.
Quote from: statto on March 06, 2025, 11:02:22 AMWhen you are relying on the ref to signal when times up the mentality would be to try and get the ball back to front as quick as can to get the winning score as the time left is at ref discretion.
With the hooter if the game is level and the teams wins a kickout they will invariably hold the ball until the dying few seconds to try and get the shot off then.(Armagh v Mayo game was an example of this) I thought the hooter would be good but would ditch it after seeing it in action. Bit of a farce that it is not in play in D3 and D4 also.
I'd be willing to run with the hooter for a year to see, but it's not the addition I thought it would be either.
Fully agree that it should be in place in all Divs or none though.
Any chance we could use the Rules thread for posts about the new rules and keep this thread to a discussion about the games in Div 1
Quote from: APM on March 06, 2025, 09:17:27 PMAny chance we could use the Rules thread for posts about the new rules and keep this thread to a discussion about the games in Div 1
Supporters of Div 1 teams discussing the new rules used in Div 1 games
Quote from: JoG2 on March 06, 2025, 10:45:01 PMQuote from: APM on March 06, 2025, 09:17:27 PMAny chance we could use the Rules thread for posts about the new rules and keep this thread to a discussion about the games in Div 1
Supporters of Div 1 teams discussing the new rules used in Div 1 games
Used in all divisions and there is another thread on rules. 🙈
Quote from: APM on March 06, 2025, 10:50:33 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 06, 2025, 10:45:01 PMQuote from: APM on March 06, 2025, 09:17:27 PMAny chance we could use the Rules thread for posts about the new rules and keep this thread to a discussion about the games in Div 1
Supporters of Div 1 teams discussing the new rules used in Div 1 games
Used in all divisions and there is another thread on rules. 🙈
Not all rules in all divisions
Live Div 1 coverage on TV this weekend.
Saturday
5.30pm: Kerry v Armagh- RTÉ 2
7.30pm: Dublin v Galway - TG4
Sunday
1.30pm: Derry v Mayo - TG4
3.30pm: Donegal v Tyrone - TG4
That's a good lineup of games.
Meath v Monaghan on TG4 player live / deferred on TV also.
Cork native, Conor Lane, doing Kerry home to Armagh
Mind boggles. He was shocking in their game v Galway.
Wonder is it true Rian has left squad again. Hope he can get the help he needs. Would love to see him in the orange and white again but sadly another orchard cross talent prob never guna reach his full potential. Although he has already got the celtic cross
Quote from: 5times5times on March 10, 2025, 08:28:23 PMCork native, Conor Lane, doing Kerry home to Armagh
Mind boggles. He was shocking in their game v Galway.
Was going to say I think the loser of Armagh v Kerry may be in serious danger of relegation given the other fixtures but that appointment can change that to Armagh I fear may be in serious bother after this match.
Quote from: David McKeown on March 10, 2025, 10:24:24 PMQuote from: 5times5times on March 10, 2025, 08:28:23 PMCork native, Conor Lane, doing Kerry home to Armagh
Mind boggles. He was shocking in their game v Galway.
Was going to say I think the loser of Armagh v Kerry may be in serious danger of relegation given the other fixtures but that appointment can change that to Armagh I fear may be in serious bother after this match.
We may be in bother. However, Armagh have played rightly at home and it is up to us to beat Derry in the last game. If Armagh did manage an unlikely victory in Tralee, then Kerry would have a hard away assignment against Galway.
Quote from: 5times5times on March 10, 2025, 08:28:23 PMCork native, Conor Lane, doing Kerry home to Armagh
Mind boggles. He was shocking in their game v Galway.
How is Conor Lane still reffing at this level? His games are virtually a different sport to most decent referees and that is not a compliment
Quote from: armaghniac on March 10, 2025, 11:13:43 PMQuote from: David McKeown on March 10, 2025, 10:24:24 PMQuote from: 5times5times on March 10, 2025, 08:28:23 PMCork native, Conor Lane, doing Kerry home to Armagh
Mind boggles. He was shocking in their game v Galway.
Was going to say I think the loser of Armagh v Kerry may be in serious danger of relegation given the other fixtures but that appointment can change that to Armagh I fear may be in serious bother after this match.
We may be in bother. However, Armagh have played rightly at home and it is up to us to beat Derry in the last game. If Armagh did manage an unlikely victory in Tralee, then Kerry would have a hard away assignment against Galway.
Even beating Derry may not be enough depending on other results. Albeit Tyrone would need to pick up 4 points and other results would need to go against Armagh. It's still extremely tight.
A lot going to depend on how motivated the likes of Donegal and Galway are to win their last 2 games.
Quote from: David McKeown on March 11, 2025, 08:15:23 AMEven beating Derry may not be enough depending on other results. Albeit Tyrone would need to pick up 4 points and other results would need to go against Armagh. It's still extremely tight.
If Armagh beat Derry and Tyrone get 4 points then we would be equal and we stay up on the head to head.
Unless someone else like Mayo ended up on the same points, but we have a better score difference than Mayo now.
Quote from: Armamike on March 11, 2025, 02:50:12 PMA lot going to depend on how motivated the likes of Donegal and Galway are to win their last 2 games.
Would expect Galway will be aiming to win the league before their trip to New York, a game they'll be able to rest players in.
Donegal I won't be surprised if they line out with a 2nd string team against Mayo in round 7.
Would love to see Donegal get there and then send out a B team, would maybe wake up the GAA into moving the games to avoid this situation in future.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 11, 2025, 03:00:15 PMQuote from: David McKeown on March 11, 2025, 08:15:23 AMEven beating Derry may not be enough depending on other results. Albeit Tyrone would need to pick up 4 points and other results would need to go against Armagh. It's still extremely tight.
If Armagh beat Derry and Tyrone get 4 points then we would be equal and we stay up on the head to head.
Unless someone else like Mayo ended up on the same points, but we have a better score difference than Mayo now.
Just an example scenario.
Tyrone beat Donegal and Dublin and end on 7
Armagh lose to Kerry but beat Derry Armagh end on 7.
Armagh are fine unless Dublin draw with Galway or Mayo win only one of their last two games (or draw both)or Kerry draw with Galway or some combination of those in which case it comes down to score difference which Armagh whilst in a relatively healthy place now may not be in the above scenario.
It will be Derry,Tyrone on their way to Division two unless we get some mad finish In the remaining two rounds of games
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 11, 2025, 04:53:09 PMIt will be Derry,Tyrone on their way to Division two unless we get some mad finish In the remaining two rounds of games
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I agree about Derry but I could see Donegal effectively downing tools. If they do Tyrone should beat them which might mean Tyrone v Dublin could be a relegation decider. So no real mad results needed.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 11, 2025, 04:02:40 PMWould love to see Donegal get there and then send out a B team, would maybe wake up the GAA into moving the games to avoid this situation in future.
Sure it happened a few years ago when Mayo got to the final and played Championship the following week. Did it wake up the gaa ? Did it fcuk . It makes a complete mockery of the competition.
Quote from: small white mayoman on March 12, 2025, 06:04:31 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 11, 2025, 04:02:40 PMWould love to see Donegal get there and then send out a B team, would maybe wake up the GAA into moving the games to avoid this situation in future.
Sure it happened a few years ago when Mayo got to the final and played Championship the following week. Did it wake up the gaa ? Did it fcuk . It makes a complete mockery of the competition.
What sort of team did Mayo out out then?
Should just send out the u20's.
Or better yet go full Dromintee and send out owl lads in jeans.
Quote from: David McKeown on March 11, 2025, 10:48:21 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on March 11, 2025, 04:53:09 PMIt will be Derry,Tyrone on their way to Division two unless we get some mad finish In the remaining two rounds of games
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I agree about Derry but I could see Donegal effectively downing tools. If they do Tyrone should beat them which might mean Tyrone v Dublin could be a relegation decider. So no real mad results needed.
Think a team on 7 points could go down
Hopefully Jimmy does us a favour and puts out a strong team against Tyrone.
Could see Armagh, Tyrone and Mayo all end up on 7 points. Does it go to a mini league with results between the 3 or points difference?
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 12, 2025, 09:48:05 AMHopefully Jimmy does us a favour and puts out a strong team against Tyrone.
Could see Armagh, Tyrone and Mayo all end up on 7 points. Does it go to a mini league with results between the 3 or points difference?
Points difference, head-to-head and if still same paper-scissors-stone.
Quote from: Truthsayer on March 12, 2025, 10:14:32 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 12, 2025, 09:48:05 AMHopefully Jimmy does us a favour and puts out a strong team against Tyrone.
Could see Armagh, Tyrone and Mayo all end up on 7 points. Does it go to a mini league with results between the 3 or points difference?
Points difference, head-to-head and if still same paper-scissors-stone.
It's overall points difference isn't it. Not just from the games between tied teams? Seems very unfair when changing rules mid competition that may impact scoring opportunities but hey Ho
Quote from: David McKeown on March 12, 2025, 11:10:09 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on March 12, 2025, 10:14:32 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 12, 2025, 09:48:05 AMHopefully Jimmy does us a favour and puts out a strong team against Tyrone.
Could see Armagh, Tyrone and Mayo all end up on 7 points. Does it go to a mini league with results between the 3 or points difference?
Points difference, head-to-head and if still same paper-scissors-stone.
It's overall points difference isn't it. Not just from the games between tied teams? Seems very unfair when changing rules mid competition that may impact scoring opportunities but hey Ho
Relegation not the end of the world. Did the last two All Ireland winners come from Div 2 and look what happened Derry after winning the league last year celebrating like it was the World Cup final ::)
Quote from: Truthsayer on March 12, 2025, 01:37:42 PMQuote from: David McKeown on March 12, 2025, 11:10:09 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on March 12, 2025, 10:14:32 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 12, 2025, 09:48:05 AMHopefully Jimmy does us a favour and puts out a strong team against Tyrone.
Could see Armagh, Tyrone and Mayo all end up on 7 points. Does it go to a mini league with results between the 3 or points difference?
Points difference, head-to-head and if still same paper-scissors-stone.
It's overall points difference isn't it. Not just from the games between tied teams? Seems very unfair when changing rules mid competition that may impact scoring opportunities but hey Ho
Relegation not the end of the world. Did the last two All Ireland winners come from Div 2 and look what happened Derry after winning the league last year celebrating like it was the World Cup final ::)
I think it depends where you are. It helped Armagh because it allowed them to blood new players, record confidence building wins and work on alternative strategies. Some sides would get more out of playing top teams week in week out.
Think if u watched the game they done very little celebration.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 12, 2025, 01:47:48 PMThink if u watched the game they done very little celebration.
Maybe it was just Mickey & Horse..
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mickey-harte-salutes-resolve-of-derry-players-after-dramatic-victory-over-dublin/a1523381367.html
Quote from: small white mayoman on March 12, 2025, 06:04:31 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 11, 2025, 04:02:40 PMWould love to see Donegal get there and then send out a B team, would maybe wake up the GAA into moving the games to avoid this situation in future.
Sure it happened a few years ago when Mayo got to the final and played Championship the following week. Did it wake up the gaa ? Did it fcuk . It makes a complete mockery of the competition.
Mayo's effort to get around that was to rest nine first choice players in the round 7 match at home to Monaghan which the Farney men was pleased with as they won and stayed up.
HQ for a few years now wanted to scrap the provincial championships so aren't going to accommodate it by giving a two week break at least between the league final and start of the provinces. They clearly don't have a high regard for the league competition either with using this years competition as a guinea pig for a load of new rules and worse of all changing rules again with two games to play.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 11, 2025, 04:53:09 PMIt will be Derry,Tyrone on their way to Division two unless we get some mad finish In the remaining two rounds of games
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Rounds 6 and 7 are known for mad results.
Nothing is sure until the final whistle in round 7.
Quote from: David McKeown on March 12, 2025, 11:10:09 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on March 12, 2025, 10:14:32 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 12, 2025, 09:48:05 AMHopefully Jimmy does us a favour and puts out a strong team against Tyrone.
Could see Armagh, Tyrone and Mayo all end up on 7 points. Does it go to a mini league with results between the 3 or points difference?
Points difference, head-to-head and if still same paper-scissors-stone.
It's overall points difference isn't it. Not just from the games between tied teams? Seems very unfair when changing rules mid competition that may impact scoring opportunities but hey Ho
I know in the Armagh leagues last year there was a mini league with results just between the 3 teams counting, so in this case Armagh have a win and a draw so 3 points, Mayo the same and Tyrone 2 defeats.
I thought that was a directive from Croke Park but maybe it was just our county board.
Anyone know for sure?
Tuam caretaker forget to take the keys out of the lawnmower or sthing. Some lads doing donuts on the pitch.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 12, 2025, 03:18:13 PMTuam caretaker forget to take thd keys out of the lawnmower or sthing. Some lads doing donuts on thd pitch.
Waste of fresh air those c***ts.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 12, 2025, 03:18:13 PMTuam caretaker forget to take the keys out of the lawnmower or sthing. Some lads doing donuts on the pitch.
Hopefully those responsible are caught.
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Quote from: David McKeown on March 12, 2025, 01:42:01 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on March 12, 2025, 01:37:42 PMQuote from: David McKeown on March 12, 2025, 11:10:09 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on March 12, 2025, 10:14:32 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 12, 2025, 09:48:05 AMHopefully Jimmy does us a favour and puts out a strong team against Tyrone.
Could see Armagh, Tyrone and Mayo all end up on 7 points. Does it go to a mini league with results between the 3 or points difference?
Points difference, head-to-head and if still same paper-scissors-stone.
It's overall points difference isn't it. Not just from the games between tied teams? Seems very unfair when changing rules mid competition that may impact scoring opportunities but hey Ho
Relegation not the end of the world. Did the last two All Ireland winners come from Div 2 and look what happened Derry after winning the league last year celebrating like it was the World Cup final ::)
I think it depends where you are. It helped Armagh because it allowed them to blood new players, record confidence building wins and work on alternative strategies. Some sides would get more out of playing top teams week in week out.
I think both Tyrone and Derry could fall under that category. Both have new management and young players to blood in from both their recent success at youth football. That being said everyone wants to be playing div 1 football against the best teams in the country.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 12, 2025, 02:32:49 PMQuote from: David McKeown on March 12, 2025, 11:10:09 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on March 12, 2025, 10:14:32 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 12, 2025, 09:48:05 AMHopefully Jimmy does us a favour and puts out a strong team against Tyrone.
Could see Armagh, Tyrone and Mayo all end up on 7 points. Does it go to a mini league with results between the 3 or points difference?
Points difference, head-to-head and if still same paper-scissors-stone.
It's overall points difference isn't it. Not just from the games between tied teams? Seems very unfair when changing rules mid competition that may impact scoring opportunities but hey Ho
I know in the Armagh leagues last year there was a mini league with results just between the 3 teams counting, so in this case Armagh have a win and a draw so 3 points, Mayo the same and Tyrone 2 defeats.
I thought that was a directive from Croke Park but maybe it was just our county board.
Anyone know for sure?
I'm pretty sure every county board can decide themselves although I may stand corrected. Tyrone used a mini league a few years ago when 3 teams finished top on the same points, although that was during the Covid year so not sure if that was a one off or not.
Depends on the regulations for each competition.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 12, 2025, 09:48:05 AMHopefully Jimmy does us a favour and puts out a strong team against Tyrone.
Could see Armagh, Tyrone and Mayo all end up on 7 points. Does it go to a mini league with results between the 3 or points difference?
I'd say there'll be plenty who won't travel to Castlebar. Rest should probably get a run this weekend in Letterkenny. That said, I can't see us matching Tyrone's intensity, assuming THEY'RE up for it.
Quote from: J70 on March 13, 2025, 10:44:16 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 12, 2025, 09:48:05 AMHopefully Jimmy does us a favour and puts out a strong team against Tyrone.
Could see Armagh, Tyrone and Mayo all end up on 7 points. Does it go to a mini league with results between the 3 or points difference?
I'd say there'll be plenty who won't travel to Castlebar. Rest should probably get a run this weekend in Letterkenny. That said, I can't see us matching Tyrone's intensity, assuming THEY'RE up for it.
If Tyrone aren't up for that one they may quit.
Can't see Jimmy wanting to lie down to the neighbours, hopefully he wants to get to a league final to give the squad players a go in Croker.
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Quote from: Armagh18 on March 12, 2025, 02:32:49 PMQuote from: David McKeown on March 12, 2025, 11:10:09 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on March 12, 2025, 10:14:32 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 12, 2025, 09:48:05 AMHopefully Jimmy does us a favour and puts out a strong team against Tyrone.
Could see Armagh, Tyrone and Mayo all end up on 7 points. Does it go to a mini league with results between the 3 or points difference?
Points difference, head-to-head and if still same paper-scissors-stone.
It's overall points difference isn't it. Not just from the games between tied teams? Seems very unfair when changing rules mid competition that may impact scoring opportunities but hey Ho
I know in the Armagh leagues last year there was a mini league with results just between the 3 teams counting, so in this case Armagh have a win and a draw so 3 points, Mayo the same and Tyrone 2 defeats.
I thought that was a directive from Croke Park but maybe it was just our county board.
Anyone know for sure?
The default GAA rule is that if 2 teams are level on points it's head-to-head, but if it's 3 teams or more then score difference. Counties are allowed amend this rule if they wish.
Quote from: twohands!!! on March 14, 2025, 11:25:40 AMThe default GAA rule is that if 2 teams are level on points it's head-to-head, but if it's 3 teams or more then score difference. Counties are allowed amend this rule if they wish.
I think alphabetical order would be appropriate.
Quote from: twohands!!! on March 14, 2025, 11:25:40 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 12, 2025, 02:32:49 PMQuote from: David McKeown on March 12, 2025, 11:10:09 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on March 12, 2025, 10:14:32 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 12, 2025, 09:48:05 AMHopefully Jimmy does us a favour and puts out a strong team against Tyrone.
Could see Armagh, Tyrone and Mayo all end up on 7 points. Does it go to a mini league with results between the 3 or points difference?
Points difference, head-to-head and if still same paper-scissors-stone.
It's overall points difference isn't it. Not just from the games between tied teams? Seems very unfair when changing rules mid competition that may impact scoring opportunities but hey Ho
I know in the Armagh leagues last year there was a mini league with results just between the 3 teams counting, so in this case Armagh have a win and a draw so 3 points, Mayo the same and Tyrone 2 defeats.
I thought that was a directive from Croke Park but maybe it was just our county board.
Anyone know for sure?
The default GAA rule is that if 2 teams are level on points it's head-to-head, but if it's 3 teams or more then score difference. Counties are allowed amend this rule if they wish.
Scoring difference between themselves or in total
Quote from: twohands!!! on March 14, 2025, 11:25:40 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 12, 2025, 02:32:49 PMQuote from: David McKeown on March 12, 2025, 11:10:09 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on March 12, 2025, 10:14:32 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 12, 2025, 09:48:05 AMHopefully Jimmy does us a favour and puts out a strong team against Tyrone.
Could see Armagh, Tyrone and Mayo all end up on 7 points. Does it go to a mini league with results between the 3 or points difference?
Points difference, head-to-head and if still same paper-scissors-stone.
It's overall points difference isn't it. Not just from the games between tied teams? Seems very unfair when changing rules mid competition that may impact scoring opportunities but hey Ho
I know in the Armagh leagues last year there was a mini league with results just between the 3 teams counting, so in this case Armagh have a win and a draw so 3 points, Mayo the same and Tyrone 2 defeats.
I thought that was a directive from Croke Park but maybe it was just our county board.
Anyone know for sure?
The default GAA rule is that if 2 teams are level on points it's head-to-head, but if it's 3 teams or more then score difference. Counties are allowed amend this rule if they wish.
Eh?
When are they allowed to amend this rule? When it suits a certain county at the end of the league campaign ?
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Quote from: AustinPowers on March 14, 2025, 05:51:08 PMQuote from: twohands!!! on March 14, 2025, 11:25:40 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 12, 2025, 02:32:49 PMQuote from: David McKeown on March 12, 2025, 11:10:09 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on March 12, 2025, 10:14:32 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 12, 2025, 09:48:05 AMHopefully Jimmy does us a favour and puts out a strong team against Tyrone.
Could see Armagh, Tyrone and Mayo all end up on 7 points. Does it go to a mini league with results between the 3 or points difference?
Points difference, head-to-head and if still same paper-scissors-stone.
It's overall points difference isn't it. Not just from the games between tied teams? Seems very unfair when changing rules mid competition that may impact scoring opportunities but hey Ho
I know in the Armagh leagues last year there was a mini league with results just between the 3 teams counting, so in this case Armagh have a win and a draw so 3 points, Mayo the same and Tyrone 2 defeats.
I thought that was a directive from Croke Park but maybe it was just our county board.
Anyone know for sure?
The default GAA rule is that if 2 teams are level on points it's head-to-head, but if it's 3 teams or more then score difference. Counties are allowed amend this rule if they wish.
Eh?
When are they allowed to amend this rule? When it suits a certain county at the end of the league campaign ?
A counties own competitions e.g. Mayo club championship.
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Great to see Comer amongst the subs
Quote from: seafoid on March 14, 2025, 06:40:03 PMQuote from: GalwayBayBoy on March 14, 2025, 06:14:42 PM(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GmA58XvWAAAgIac?format=jpg&name=small)
Great to see Comer amongst the subs
Unless you are a Mayo,Dublin,Kerry, Armagh, Donegal or Tyrone supporter.
On a serious note, from a footballing standpoint, would like the lad to have an injury free season.
It was so obvious he was at 50% or less in last years All-ireland final and probably should not have been on the field.
One of the many mistakes by Galway management that day.
Quote from: seafoid on March 14, 2025, 06:40:03 PMQuote from: GalwayBayBoy on March 14, 2025, 06:14:42 PM(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GmA58XvWAAAgIac?format=jpg&name=small)
Great to see Comer amongst the subs
Galway beat Donegal B in league final but will win no All Ireland under Joyce. Lacking on the sideline and last year proved it. Management filled their togs with decision making.
Would expect Kerry to give Armagh a good trimming. They will be sore after losing to Orchard county last year. Galway could hammer the out of sorts Dubs team.
Quote from: DuffleKing on March 10, 2025, 11:51:11 PMQuote from: 5times5times on March 10, 2025, 08:28:23 PMCork native, Conor Lane, doing Kerry home to Armagh
Mind boggles. He was shocking in their game v Galway.
How is Conor Lane still reffing at this level? His games are virtually a different sport to most decent referees and that is not a compliment
Very harsh call on kickout given the rule has been relaxed!
3 kerry screaming into Armagh player on the ground. Pat Spillane used to be crying when same done to kerry boys on noughties.
Harsh call for 3v3 rule there considering the amendment
Quote from: LarryStiles on March 15, 2025, 05:47:19 PM3 kerry screaming into Armagh player on the ground. Pat Spillane used to be crying when same done to kerry boys on noughties.
Paidí Clifford is a mouthy fkcer
Quote from: Tubberman on March 15, 2025, 05:53:51 PMQuote from: LarryStiles on March 15, 2025, 05:47:19 PM3 kerry screaming into Armagh player on the ground. Pat Spillane used to be crying when same done to kerry boys on noughties.
Paidí Clifford is a mouthy fkcer
100%
Quote from: Tubberman on March 15, 2025, 05:53:51 PMQuote from: LarryStiles on March 15, 2025, 05:47:19 PM3 kerry screaming into Armagh player on the ground. Pat Spillane used to be crying when same done to kerry boys on noughties.
Paidí Clifford is a mouthy fkcer
Armagh may pray Donegal put a full team out tomorrow
Neither of them are angels but I suspect they ship a right bit of abuse too mind you.
Grugan the only lad playing for Armagh.
Game put to bed with that penalty? 2-8 to 0-3 to Kerry.
Do they not give cards anymore for denying a goal scoring opportunity,remember gough sending players off in the past for this
Quote from: Tubberman on March 15, 2025, 05:53:51 PMQuote from: LarryStiles on March 15, 2025, 05:47:19 PM3 kerry screaming into Armagh player on the ground. Pat Spillane used to be crying when same done to kerry boys on noughties.
Paidí Clifford is a mouthy fkcer
Himself, O'Connor and Foley always at it. Marty and the boys won't be calling it out with the love in for Kerry. If was Northern counties would be called out
Clifford giving u man a roasting.
Just flicked on, have Armagh the full team out?
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 15, 2025, 06:02:15 PMGame put to bed with that penalty? 2-8 to 0-3 to Kerry.
When Kerry have everyone back will be clear favourites for Sam. Currently favourites at 7/2.
If there's not a breeze here, this end up a Dublin ,Derry scoreline.
Armagh missing Ethan Rafferty as the extra man in attack
Strong enough Armagh team - they're just getting hammered. Kerry be very sore from beating last year you'd imagine.
Is that Nugent on bench with Miami Dolphins cap on?
Were Armagh on the lash last night? ffs
Kerry v good, Armagh v poor. Conor Lane absolutely useless.
Fitzmaurice should not be commentating on Kerry games. Bias is off the charts.
Armagh getting totally roasted.
Another year and another shocking showing by Lane.
Standard must be bad when he's still on the circuit
Quote from: 5times5times on March 15, 2025, 06:12:06 PMFitzmaurice should not be commentating on Kerry games. Bias is off the charts.
Marty is worse.
sc**bag Kerry supporters throwing flares at the Garvaghy Road flags. C@nts.
Quote from: 5times5times on March 15, 2025, 06:12:06 PMFitzmaurice should not be commentating on Kerry games. Bias is off the charts.
I don't think he's been too bad. They've scored 2-13 in one half, he has to praise them
Halftime Kerry 2-13 Armagh 0-6
Quote from: Mario on March 15, 2025, 06:18:18 PMQuote from: 5times5times on March 15, 2025, 06:12:06 PMFitzmaurice should not be commentating on Kerry games. Bias is off the charts.
I don't think he's been too bad. They've scored 2-13 in one half, he has to praise them
But don't mention the late deliberate hits on murnin? Or fake head injuries?
That has been terrible. Making Kerry look like prime Dublin.
Stop the whinging about commentators lads ffs, that's not the reason Armagh are getting hammered
Armagh very poor. Kerry obviously sore after we chinned them. Lot of niiggly shit and mouthing from them.
Quote from: Tubberman on March 15, 2025, 05:53:51 PMQuote from: LarryStiles on March 15, 2025, 05:47:19 PM3 kerry screaming into Armagh player on the ground. Pat Spillane used to be crying when same done to kerry boys on noughties.
Paidí Clifford is a mouthy fkcer
100%
Armagh haven't got off the bus. Kerry laying down a marker (lots of physicality off the ball, late hits etc.) Geaney took 9 or 10 steps for first goal, thought they were to crack down on that.
Armagh playing a kind of zonal defence and kerry are able to find spaces too easily. Kerry defence is straight man to man and Armagh aren't getting any space
Kerry very good - new rules will suit them
Armagh not good, poor start and not recovering too well
Marty poor as usual - Kerry love in
Fitzmaurice poor as usual - too biased for Kerry and praising the rules
Conor Lane shocking poor AGAIN
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on March 15, 2025, 06:11:20 PMKerry v good, Armagh v poor. Conor Lane absolutely useless.
Copy & paste again.
Like a crowd of aul moaning wimen in here
Used to be a time u took u beating, Nope!
As ever with these Div 1 games whichever sides need is greater they win and usually by a bit to spare. Kerry would have known they were in relegation trouble with Galway away to play in their final game had they not won tonight. Armagh have Derry at home next week if points are required to stay up.
Have they finally tweaked the rules enough to suit Kerry
G that must be the most stupid rule!
Quote from: Mario on March 15, 2025, 06:18:18 PMQuote from: 5times5times on March 15, 2025, 06:12:06 PMFitzmaurice should not be commentating on Kerry games. Bias is off the charts.
I don't think he's been too bad. They've scored 2-13 in one half, he has to praise them
I only lasted 5 minutes or so, however he kept commentating from the Kerry perspective. Unintentional bias. It's natural, he's human.
The real complaint should be directed at Armagh. When they are bad, they're REALLY awful. I do appreciate the free Saturday afternoon now.
Another target v Murnin and Fitzmaurice still can't acknowledge it
The 3 up def suits Kerry and Dublin with very good forwards, both teams play a kick passing game to, which benefits this.
Oh that's a dislocated shoulder
Did Armagh have 4 thousand at that game?
Result Kerry 2-21 Armagh 0-17
Quote from: Mario on March 15, 2025, 06:51:19 PMHave they finally tweaked the rules enough to suit Kerry
And Dublin.
Haven't see Cluxton miss hit that many kick outs.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 15, 2025, 07:58:38 PMHaven't see Cluxton miss hit that many kick outs.
Looks very rusty and He usually waits until the Leinster championship to return.
Plenty of goal chances missed/not taken in this game by both teams. Dublin 1-10 Galway 0-6.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on March 15, 2025, 07:54:07 PMQuote from: Mario on March 15, 2025, 06:51:19 PMHave they finally tweaked the rules enough to suit Kerry
And Dublin.
And everyone who couldn't watch anymore of that sh*te we've been served up in recent years
Galway great value at 4/1.. Stuck 20 as Laois let me down.
From 10 point lead cut to two points 2-13 to 2-11.
5 minutes to play Dublin 2-17 Galway 2-11.
A Dublin v Galway match with the least amount of defending I've ever seen. Dublin 2-19 to 2-13 winners.
Dublin deserved winners. Our shooting was atrocious despite hitting the woodwork on a number of occasions. A decent runout for a few of the extended but a couple of them are not up to this level. Hopefully none of the niggles picked up by a few lads are not too serious.
Couldn't match Kerry's hunger. Home and away in this division makes such a difference, certainly in Armagh's case anyway. What's the craic with Paudie Clifford?
Trips to Galway, Donegal & Kerry. Talk about losing UGLY. Armagh would have been better sending their U20s and resting their seniors.
If I was a GAA manager I'd leave my starting 15 at home for every away league fixture. 3/4 weekends off would mean the players are fresher for the championship. Better than spending those weekends travelling across Ireland.
Quote from: Armamike on March 15, 2025, 09:11:53 PMCouldn't match Kerry's hunger. Home and away in this division makes such a difference, certainly in Armagh's case anyway. What's the craic with Paudie Clifford?
It's a pity no one chinned him, at least we would have had something to cheer tonight..
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on March 15, 2025, 09:08:46 PMDublin deserved winners. Our shooting was atrocious despite hitting the woodwork on a number of occasions. A decent runout for a few of the extended but a couple of them are not up to this level. Hopefully none of the niggles picked up by a few lads are not too serious.
Joyce said in the press conference afterwards that Walsh and Finnerty were not taken off due to injury but because they missed about 2-10 between them.
Galway missed 19 shots in total including shots dropped short I presume. Just a terrible shooting performance. At least they won the 2nd half on the scoreboard with a lot of the big names on the sideline which is something I guess.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on March 15, 2025, 11:46:41 PMQuote from: GaillimhIarthair on March 15, 2025, 09:08:46 PMDublin deserved winners. Our shooting was atrocious despite hitting the woodwork on a number of occasions. A decent runout for a few of the extended but a couple of them are not up to this level. Hopefully none of the niggles picked up by a few lads are not too serious.
Joyce said in the press conference afterwards that Walsh and Finnerty were not taken off due to injury but because they missed about 2-10 between them.
Galway missed 19 shots in total including shots dropped short I presume. Just a terrible shooting performance. At least they won the 2nd half on the scoreboard with a lot of the big names on the sideline which is something I guess.
To be fair - Shane was clearly hobbling around the place for most of the first half. I was in the Davin end and it was clear he was struggling. They should have taken him off straight away.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on March 15, 2025, 11:46:41 PMQuote from: GaillimhIarthair on March 15, 2025, 09:08:46 PMDublin deserved winners. Our shooting was atrocious despite hitting the woodwork on a number of occasions. A decent runout for a few of the extended but a couple of them are not up to this level. Hopefully none of the niggles picked up by a few lads are not too serious.
Joyce said in the press conference afterwards that Walsh and Finnerty were not taken off due to injury but because they missed about 2-10 between them.
Galway missed 19 shots in total including shots dropped short I presume. Just a terrible shooting performance. At least they won the 2nd half on the scoreboard with a lot of the big names on the sideline which is something I guess.
Galway was wasteful and a more clinical Dublin more have scored a lot more goals tonight, It was challenge like match should the two play in the league final in a few weeks I would expect a bit more focus by both on how defend.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on March 15, 2025, 11:46:41 PMQuote from: GaillimhIarthair on March 15, 2025, 09:08:46 PMDublin deserved winners. Our shooting was atrocious despite hitting the woodwork on a number of occasions. A decent runout for a few of the extended but a couple of them are not up to this level. Hopefully none of the niggles picked up by a few lads are not too serious.
Joyce said in the press conference afterwards that Walsh and Finnerty were not taken off due to injury but because they missed about 2-10 between them.
Galway missed 19 shots in total including shots dropped short I presume. Just a terrible shooting performance. At least they won the 2nd half on the scoreboard with a lot of the big names on the sideline which is something I guess.
Walsh pulled something before HT. Joyce took off 4/5 players key players when game for taking. Will be easy enough final against Donegal b side. Surely could postpone league final to later in year?
Quote from: LarryStiles on March 16, 2025, 01:52:10 AMQuote from: GalwayBayBoy on March 15, 2025, 11:46:41 PMQuote from: GaillimhIarthair on March 15, 2025, 09:08:46 PMDublin deserved winners. Our shooting was atrocious despite hitting the woodwork on a number of occasions. A decent runout for a few of the extended but a couple of them are not up to this level. Hopefully none of the niggles picked up by a few lads are not too serious.
Joyce said in the press conference afterwards that Walsh and Finnerty were not taken off due to injury but because they missed about 2-10 between them.
Galway missed 19 shots in total including shots dropped short I presume. Just a terrible shooting performance. At least they won the 2nd half on the scoreboard with a lot of the big names on the sideline which is something I guess.
Walsh pulled something before HT. Joyce took off 4/5 players key players when game for taking. Will be easy enough final against Donegal b side. Surely could postpone league final to later in year?
Or award league title to whichever team finishes top of the league!
Quote from: Tubberman on March 16, 2025, 08:26:23 AMQuote from: LarryStiles on March 16, 2025, 01:52:10 AMQuote from: GalwayBayBoy on March 15, 2025, 11:46:41 PMQuote from: GaillimhIarthair on March 15, 2025, 09:08:46 PMDublin deserved winners. Our shooting was atrocious despite hitting the woodwork on a number of occasions. A decent runout for a few of the extended but a couple of them are not up to this level. Hopefully none of the niggles picked up by a few lads are not too serious.
Joyce said in the press conference afterwards that Walsh and Finnerty were not taken off due to injury but because they missed about 2-10 between them.
Galway missed 19 shots in total including shots dropped short I presume. Just a terrible shooting performance. At least they won the 2nd half on the scoreboard with a lot of the big names on the sideline which is something I guess.
Walsh pulled something before HT. Joyce took off 4/5 players key players when game for taking. Will be easy enough final against Donegal b side. Surely could postpone league final to later in year?
Or award league title to whichever team finishes top of the league!
What are you smoking? Makes zero sense ;D
@ Larry, it's not what your county can do for you etc, get on the phone to Joyce, not too late to salvage your season
Quote from: LarryStiles link=msg=2328860Walsh pulled something before HT. Joyce took off 4/5 players key players when game for taking. Will be easy enough final against Donegal b side. Surely could postpone league final to later in year?
Aren't Donegal putting out a B team today and probably again against Mayo to make sure they don't make the final?
Word is Murray has done the hamstring for Derry so he won't feature today.
Quote from: screenexile on March 16, 2025, 12:56:53 PMWord is Murray has done the hamstring for Derry so he won't feature today.
Just gets better
Quote from: jb77 on March 16, 2025, 01:30:31 PMQuote from: screenexile on March 16, 2025, 12:56:53 PMWord is Murray has done the hamstring for Derry so he won't feature today.
Just gets better
Lynch off injured now to :-\
How long is our injury list
Think I said half way through the league that given the fixtures they had left (including a not interested Donegal in the final round) that Mayo might end up in the league final.
Is that a free, thought they wanted this high fielding
Might actually be cursed
We played reasonably well there but that last play was an absolute killer.
A lot of work to do now to win this game.
Turn it over, get turned over, concede a goal all after the buzzer. Awful score to give away.
Another sickening moment to add to the pile during this league.
Criminal ending there. Not like Padraig tbf
We're very frustrating to watch. Do some things well but our mistakes always seem to be really poor ones.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on March 16, 2025, 02:15:51 PMCriminal ending there. Not like Padraig tbf
Padraig is fucked which is understandable! He got burned for a goal chance there too because he isn't at full fitness but he's done a lot of good things too.
Was that not a foot block by Mayo there?
Derry getting very little from referee. Missed a blatant food block.
Matthew Ruane and Conor Glass putting up big tallies from midfield.
How was that not a black card for McFadden? Stone waller
Derry did okay with a weakened side. Thought we should've had a penalty for the foot block. 2 other situations with the new rules I am not too sure about. The first mayo point came when they were awarded a free, the derry player handed the ball over and the mayo player immediately bounced the ball and started running forward before giving a pass for an easy score. Has the solo and go changed to allow a bounce and go? Also Conor Doherty scored a great point near the end from outside the 45. The keeper got a fingertip to it as it went over the bar and only one point was awarded. I thought that rule had changed with the word directly removed so it should've been 2 points.
Tyrone with some poor misses late in the half. Should be further ahead, even though McGuinness could have taken that last chance on a bit further.
Hard to tell who's playing well here given the majority of the footage is from a camera 3 mile behind Tyrone's goals.
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 16, 2025, 04:04:39 PMHow was that not a black card for McFadden? Stone waller
Is the goal scoring opportunity still a rule. Black card or it should have been a red if that rule still exists
Morgan looks to have got 2 points for that free outside the arc.
Is that the case now?
Donegal loads of wides in last 10 mins. Tyrone taking their limited chances.
If Armagh and Tyrone BOTH draw/lose in the final game next weekend, which team will be relegated.
Okay to be honest, at the game, I thought Derry were awful,with players giving up the ghost early on.
Quote from: lenny on March 16, 2025, 04:07:39 PMDerry did okay with a weakened side. Thought we should've had a penalty for the foot block. 2 other situations with the new rules I am not too sure about. The first mayo point came when they were awarded a free, the derry player handed the ball over and the mayo player immediately bounced the ball and started running forward before giving a pass for an easy score. Has the solo and go changed to allow a bounce and go? Also Conor Doherty scored a great point near the end from outside the 45. The keeper got a fingertip to it as it went over the bar and only one point was awarded. I thought that rule had changed with the word directly removed so it should've been 2 points.
The removal of the word "directly" was so that a ball that hits the post and then goes over scores 2 points. If an opposition player touches it over the bar it is still 1 point.
And no, you can't bounce from a solo and go. If what you described is what happened then the player should have been put back to retake the free.
Quote from: Sandy Hill on March 16, 2025, 05:27:43 PMIf Armagh and Tyrone BOTH draw/lose in the final game next weekend, which team will be relegated.
AFAIK if 2 are on the same points, it's head to head. If 3 it's points difference.
Derry are definitely going to Division 2 (what a journey it has been since they came up!). Who will join them? I think Tyrone might stay up, like last year on the last day.
Lots of permutations as ever for next week's finale. It would take an incredible set of results for a team to go down on 7 but it's mathematically possible.
Usually what happens is an anti-climax by comparison with the team currently in the drop zone (Tyrone) simply losing and it's all done & dusted. Tyrone also have head-to-head disadvantage against Armagh/Kerry/Mayo if they finish level with one other.
Kerry are still a little vulnerable with a tricky match in Salthill and both Armagh/Tyrone have home games. But Points on the board is what's needed going into week7 and one of those currently on 5 will be the one to go with Derry.
Quote from: seafoid on March 16, 2025, 06:36:10 PMQuote from: Sandy Hill on March 16, 2025, 05:27:43 PMIf Armagh and Tyrone BOTH draw/lose in the final game next weekend, which team will be relegated.
AFAIK if 2 are on the same points, it's head to head. If 3 it's points difference.
Armagh have the advantage on the head to head. If Tyrone lose then they are gone, even if Armagh also lose.
It is a strange league, Kerry and Mayo could be relegated, or could be in the league final!
Next Sunday will be good craic -
They should really abandon the league finals and play the final round of the league on St Patrick's Day. Apart from likely concern about congestion with parades etc, it really be would make for a fitting finale to what is an excellent competition
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on March 16, 2025, 01:54:23 PMThink I said half way through the league that given the fixtures they had left (including a not interested Donegal in the final round) that Mayo might end up in the league final.
dúirt bean liom go ndúirt bean léi
Tyrone have lost to the other 3 teams who can get relegated which means a win might still not keep them up. Although if 3 teams finish on the same points then it will go by point difference which Tyrone have in their favour over mayo and Armagh.
Kerry have a tough game vs Galway who can guarantee a league final with a win, so could potentially see themselves relegated if both Tyrone and Armagh won and they lose to Galway.
Armagh should definitely win as they play the only team with nothing to play for. So in that case would only get relegated if Tyrone win and Kerry draw or both of them win and mayo lose but maintain a better point difference.
A draw for Kerry would almost certainly keep them safe with having the head to head and superior point difference to both Tyrone and Armagh.
The only way Mayo would be relegated is if Tyrone, kerry and Armagh win and them losing to Donegal with a 5+ swing in point difference vs Armagh.
Quote from: Smokin Joe on March 16, 2025, 06:13:50 PMQuote from: lenny on March 16, 2025, 04:07:39 PMDerry did okay with a weakened side. Thought we should've had a penalty for the foot block. 2 other situations with the new rules I am not too sure about. The first mayo point came when they were awarded a free, the derry player handed the ball over and the mayo player immediately bounced the ball and started running forward before giving a pass for an easy score. Has the solo and go changed to allow a bounce and go? Also Conor Doherty scored a great point near the end from outside the 45. The keeper got a fingertip to it as it went over the bar and only one point was awarded. I thought that rule had changed with the word directly removed so it should've been 2 points.
The removal of the word "directly" was so that a ball that hits the post and then goes over scores 2 points. If an opposition player touches it over the bar it is still 1 point.
And no, you can't bounce from a solo and go. If what you described is what happened then the player should have been put back to retake the free.
When I saw that change about the removal of the word 'directly' I presumed it was to address precisely this situation, where a keeper got the tip of a glove to the ball on the way over. I saw the explanation about hitting the post etc, but I don't see why this scenario isn't also covered by the new wording. It happened in the Tyrone v armagh game too, it's obviously nonsense and you'd imagine it's unintended. Reape was very aware of of it, he was turning to the umpire with one giant glove finger up after he claimed he touched it. If this interpretation remains will we see keepers get those giant fan hands and keep them in the net to pull on in certain situations, the way hurling keepers used to have their extra hurls etc?
Was of the same thought that removing directly meant deflections and keepers touches wouldn't turn a 2 point into a 1. It's bizarre. More reason for keepers to be yapping at umpires.
There is certain luck involved here lads and how the fixture lands on your lap and Armagh def do not seem to get that luck in recent years. Before you all jump on to give off I know if you win your own matches then you've nothing to worry about but not every team can win all their matches.
If you're playing a team who don't want to be in the League final and they rest players then you're gonna get 2pts handy enough but if you were to play that team in the first 3-4 games and they're at full strength you won't. It happened Armagh 2 years ago when Mayo went to Kerry (I think) and won the last game away which on current form would not have happened but when teams have nothing to play for or worse don't want to be in a League final you know you're getting the two pts.
This is not an Armagh thing as it could be Mayo or Kerry next year I'm just saying with dates and finals surely they should be 2-3 weeks before any Championship match and a great incentive to go and try and win the League. The All Ireland finals are too early as far as i'm concerned so push them back a few weeks and play the League properly with some bonus for the winning team too...(a training week in La Manga paid for by GAA or something like a weekend in Granard, Co Longford...lol).
I'm a season ticket holder and I've followed Derry all over the country and in all 4 divisions for over 30 years. I understand that the league is mainly used to try and get things right for the championship but the lack of direction this season is really worrying. From the lack of movement on our own kickouts to give the keeper more options til the zonal marking at opposition kickouts which has been leaving them with free men for their keeper to pick out easily the whole thing looks too easy to play against. But the most worrying thing is that the players look like they don't trust the tactics they're being asked to play out. There's a lack of belief in what they are doing and it shows in the lack of passion in the performances. Mr Tally just isn't the man to take this group of players or our county forward.
The league final should be at least 2 weeks out from the championship. Possible monetary value to winning it. It's been badly devalued by the top brass, and it be no suprise if the sponsor pulls out. McKenna Cup which most Ulster teams wanted kept in place also fell by the wayside. I think they changed too many rules and some games if u at them, u no idea of rule breach for some frees. What happened the deliberate pull down, penalty 2 yrs ago/black card, now it's as if it didn't exist. Did they drop that rule after a year.
A keeper touching it shouldn't matter, if it's from outside the arc it should be 2 points.
Did Walsh take his free back from where it should have been taken against Tyrone to get a 2 point chance? That shouldn't be allowed either.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 17, 2025, 11:05:03 AMThe league final should be at least 2 weeks out from the championship. Possible monetary value to winning it. It's been badly devalued by the top brass, and it be no suprise if the sponsor pulls out. McKenna Cup which most Ulster teams wanted kept in place also fell by the wayside. I think they changed too many rules and some games if u at them, u no idea of rule breach for some frees. What happened the deliberate pull down, penalty 2 yrs ago/black card, now it's as if it didn't exist. Did they drop that rule after a year.
I read somewhere that the GAA is planning to move the finals into august which would mean that a 2 week gap between the League and the championship could be arranged
Quote from: onefineday on March 17, 2025, 07:34:28 AMQuote from: Smokin Joe on March 16, 2025, 06:13:50 PMQuote from: lenny on March 16, 2025, 04:07:39 PMDerry did okay with a weakened side. Thought we should've had a penalty for the foot block. 2 other situations with the new rules I am not too sure about. The first mayo point came when they were awarded a free, the derry player handed the ball over and the mayo player immediately bounced the ball and started running forward before giving a pass for an easy score. Has the solo and go changed to allow a bounce and go? Also Conor Doherty scored a great point near the end from outside the 45. The keeper got a fingertip to it as it went over the bar and only one point was awarded. I thought that rule had changed with the word directly removed so it should've been 2 points.
The removal of the word "directly" was so that a ball that hits the post and then goes over scores 2 points. If an opposition player touches it over the bar it is still 1 point.
And no, you can't bounce from a solo and go. If what you described is what happened then the player should have been put back to retake the free.
When I saw that change about the removal of the word 'directly' I presumed it was to address precisely this situation, where a keeper got the tip of a glove to the ball on the way over. I saw the explanation about hitting the post etc, but I don't see why this scenario isn't also covered by the new wording. It happened in the Tyrone v armagh game too, it's obviously nonsense and you'd imagine it's unintended. Reape was very aware of of it, he was turning to the umpire with one giant glove finger up after he claimed he touched it. If this interpretation remains will we see keepers get those giant fan hands and keep them in the net to pull on in certain situations, the way hurling keepers used to have their extra hurls etc?
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I was thinking about this scenario lately. Lets say, a team is behind by 2 points, and they have a free outside the arc.
What's to stop a player or two in the defending team standing on top of the crossbar, to just touch the ball as it goes over. Instead of the opponent getting the 2 pointer to force a draw, it's only one, and your team wins the game, all because of a fingertip touch
Was thinking more of lifting like a rubgy line out myself.
Quote from: AustinPowers on March 17, 2025, 11:24:42 AMQuote from: onefineday on March 17, 2025, 07:34:28 AMQuote from: Smokin Joe on March 16, 2025, 06:13:50 PMQuote from: lenny on March 16, 2025, 04:07:39 PMDerry did okay with a weakened side. Thought we should've had a penalty for the foot block. 2 other situations with the new rules I am not too sure about. The first mayo point came when they were awarded a free, the derry player handed the ball over and the mayo player immediately bounced the ball and started running forward before giving a pass for an easy score. Has the solo and go changed to allow a bounce and go? Also Conor Doherty scored a great point near the end from outside the 45. The keeper got a fingertip to it as it went over the bar and only one point was awarded. I thought that rule had changed with the word directly removed so it should've been 2 points.
The removal of the word "directly" was so that a ball that hits the post and then goes over scores 2 points. If an opposition player touches it over the bar it is still 1 point.
And no, you can't bounce from a solo and go. If what you described is what happened then the player should have been put back to retake the free.
When I saw that change about the removal of the word 'directly' I presumed it was to address precisely this situation, where a keeper got the tip of a glove to the ball on the way over. I saw the explanation about hitting the post etc, but I don't see why this scenario isn't also covered by the new wording. It happened in the Tyrone v armagh game too, it's obviously nonsense and you'd imagine it's unintended. Reape was very aware of of it, he was turning to the umpire with one giant glove finger up after he claimed he touched it. If this interpretation remains will we see keepers get those giant fan hands and keep them in the net to pull on in certain situations, the way hurling keepers used to have their extra hurls etc?
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I was thinking about this scenario lately. Lets say, a team is behind by 2 points, and they have a free outside the arc.
What's to stop a player or two in the defending team standing on top of the crossbar, to just touch the ball as it goes over. Instead of the opponent getting the 2 pointer to force a draw, it's only one, and your team wins the game, all because of a fingertip touch
Isn't this a penalty? Not sure on lifting like rugby though.
Or a lineout- style lift, although there's something in the back of my head that that happened before sometime and was adjudged a foul, but I can't remember the details.
Quote from: Easttyrone23 on March 17, 2025, 05:24:25 AMTyrone have lost to the other 3 teams who can get relegated which means a win might still not keep them up. Although if 3 teams finish on the same points then it will go by point difference which Tyrone have in their favour over mayo and Armagh.
Kerry have a tough game vs Galway who can guarantee a league final with a win, so could potentially see themselves relegated if both Tyrone and Armagh won and they lose to Galway.
Armagh should definitely win as they play the only team with nothing to play for. So in that case would only get relegated if Tyrone win and Kerry draw or both of them win and mayo lose but maintain a better point difference.
A draw for Kerry would almost certainly keep them safe with having the head to head and superior point difference to both Tyrone and Armagh.
The only way Mayo would be relegated is if Tyrone, kerry and Armagh win and them losing to Donegal with a 5+ swing in point difference vs Armagh.
You can count Mayo out of this scenario.
They're not going to lose at home to Donegal when they have everything to play for and Donegal have nothing except an unwanted spot in the league final a week out from Derry.
Besides, I don't think we've won a game in Mayo since one about 15 years ago when Eamon McGee found the bottom corner of the net through a crowd from 21 yards in an injury time smash and grab! And we've a very poor record in general against Mayo, so I think you're on your own, Tyrone and Armagh!
The beauty of the last series of games is that 3 of them involve teams who could make the league final or be possibly relegated, while only the Armagh/Derry match could see Armagh demoted.
For some reason this didn't post but I see from reading the league tables the final score/non score the Tyrone v Armagh game may become important.
It was discussed on this thread briefly previously but at the buzzer Tyrone took a shot just before the buzzer sounded, as it was in the air the buzzer went. Then Rafferty deflected it over the bar.
The umpire initially didn't wave the flag (correctly as I understand the rule) but McQuillian who was referring ran in and told him to do so.
I may have the broadcasters the wrong way round here but RTE didn't count the score but GAAGo and BBC did.
If Armagh and Tyrone win and Mayo loose and/or Kerry draw then that one point may be crucial.
To further confuse matters RTE seem to have counted the score in its points differential but GAA.ie have not.
I've also noticed that and I know it's highly unlikely but a 20 point win for Armagh this weekend would guarantee they avoid relegation regardless of other results.
So am I correct in saying that if two teams are on the same points then it goes to head to head results, but if more than 2 are involved then it's based on points difference? So, if Tyrone win (by more than 11) and Armagh win (by less), Kerry draw and Mayo lose, then they are all on 7 points and Tyrone would stay up, even though all 3 teams will have beaten Tyrone in their head to head matches? I think I'd quite enjoy that! ;D
Quote from: J70 on March 17, 2025, 12:32:32 PMQuote from: Easttyrone23 on March 17, 2025, 05:24:25 AMTyrone have lost to the other 3 teams who can get relegated which means a win might still not keep them up. Although if 3 teams finish on the same points then it will go by point difference which Tyrone have in their favour over mayo and Armagh.
Kerry have a tough game vs Galway who can guarantee a league final with a win, so could potentially see themselves relegated if both Tyrone and Armagh won and they lose to Galway.
Armagh should definitely win as they play the only team with nothing to play for. So in that case would only get relegated if Tyrone win and Kerry draw or both of them win and mayo lose but maintain a better point difference.
A draw for Kerry would almost certainly keep them safe with having the head to head and superior point difference to both Tyrone and Armagh.
The only way Mayo would be relegated is if Tyrone, kerry and Armagh win and them losing to Donegal with a 5+ swing in point difference vs Armagh.
You can count Mayo out of this scenario.
They're not going to lose at home to Donegal when they have everything to play for and Donegal have nothing except an unwanted spot in the league final a week out from Derry.
Besides, I don't think we've won a game in Mayo since one about 15 years ago when Eamon McGee found the bottom corner of the net through a crowd from 21 yards in an injury time smash and grab! And we've a very poor record in general against Mayo, so I think you're on your own, Tyrone and Armagh!
That's exactly my point I made earlier, if you get the luck of the draw and get teams who don't want or have to win and play them last game or two in this league then you're at an advantage over the other teams who played them earlier in the campaign. That's why it has to change and the dates so that every team is fighting for something until the last game, realistically you could have two pts on the board after 5 games and win your last two games against teams who don't want to win and stay in the division which is not right nor is it a true reflection of you as a team. I know it's the luck of the draw and it's not the teams fault, it's the system.
Too many dead rubbers towards last couple of rounds makes a mockery of the league. Teams getting to the final because others don't want to be there, team's avoiding relegation because their opponents are playing their B side, it's a very strange competition.
As for the rules, and specifically the hooter. I thought the hooter played to the exact time of the game including stoppages. So when it blows, that's the time up. Why do the FRC think it appropriate for the game to be extended until a break in play, what's the rationale behind that?
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 17, 2025, 02:08:01 PMSo am I correct in saying that if two teams are on the same points then it goes to head to head results, but if more than 2 are involved then it's based on points difference? So, if Tyrone win (by more than 11) and Armagh win (by less), Kerry draw and Mayo lose, then they are all on 7 points and Tyrone would stay up, even though all 3 teams will have beaten Tyrone in their head to head matches? I think I'd quite enjoy that! ;D
Apologies in advance, but is it the same for the top.
lets assume that
Kerry beat Galway
Donegal lose to Mayo
Tyrone beat Dublin
Then
Galway
Dublin
Kerry
Donegal
all have 8 points
and for some crazy reason Mayo who were pointless after two games will finish top with 9pts.
what happens then.
Quote from: David McKeown on March 17, 2025, 01:01:58 PMFor some reason this didn't post but I see from reading the league tables the final score/non score the Tyrone v Armagh game may become important.
It was discussed on this thread briefly previously but at the buzzer Tyrone took a shot just before the buzzer sounded, as it was in the air the buzzer went. Then Rafferty deflected it over the bar.
The umpire initially didn't wave the flag (correctly as I understand the rule) but McQuillian who was referring ran in and told him to do so.
I may have the broadcasters the wrong way round here but RTE didn't count the score but GAAGo and BBC did.
If Armagh and Tyrone win and Mayo loose and/or Kerry draw then that one point may be crucial.
To further confuse matters RTE seem to have counted the score in its points differential but GAA.ie have not.
Rte are correct... Why would the score not count? Game isn't over until the ball goes dead after the hooter*
*from a few days ago that is
If Tyrone Armagh and Kerry win next week a team will be relegated on 7 points.
That's never happened before.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 17, 2025, 04:04:37 PMIf Tyrone Armagh and Kerry win next week a team will be relegated on 7 points.
That's never happened before.
Be typical for it to happen to Armagh.
Quote from: JoG2 on March 17, 2025, 03:27:58 PMQuote from: David McKeown on March 17, 2025, 01:01:58 PMFor some reason this didn't post but I see from reading the league tables the final score/non score the Tyrone v Armagh game may become important.
It was discussed on this thread briefly previously but at the buzzer Tyrone took a shot just before the buzzer sounded, as it was in the air the buzzer went. Then Rafferty deflected it over the bar.
The umpire initially didn't wave the flag (correctly as I understand the rule) but McQuillian who was referring ran in and told him to do so.
I may have the broadcasters the wrong way round here but RTE didn't count the score but GAAGo and BBC did.
If Armagh and Tyrone win and Mayo loose and/or Kerry draw then that one point may be crucial.
To further confuse matters RTE seem to have counted the score in its points differential but GAA.ie have not.
Rte are correct... Why would the score not count? Game isn't over until the ball goes dead after the hooter*
*from a few days ago that is
The hooter had gone, the ball was kicked on the hooter but because Rafferty touched it the point shouldnt have counted.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 17, 2025, 04:04:37 PMIf Tyrone Armagh and Kerry win next week a team will be relegated on 7 points.
That's never happened before.
Mayo instead of Kerry ?
Fancy though mayo to beat Donegal
To be relegated Div 1 from Paddy Power:
Tyrone 4/11
Armagh 7/2
Kerry 7/2
Mayo 66/1.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 17, 2025, 04:18:08 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 17, 2025, 03:27:58 PMQuote from: David McKeown on March 17, 2025, 01:01:58 PMFor some reason this didn't post but I see from reading the league tables the final score/non score the Tyrone v Armagh game may become important.
It was discussed on this thread briefly previously but at the buzzer Tyrone took a shot just before the buzzer sounded, as it was in the air the buzzer went. Then Rafferty deflected it over the bar.
The umpire initially didn't wave the flag (correctly as I understand the rule) but McQuillian who was referring ran in and told him to do so.
I may have the broadcasters the wrong way round here but RTE didn't count the score but GAAGo and BBC did.
If Armagh and Tyrone win and Mayo loose and/or Kerry draw then that one point may be crucial.
To further confuse matters RTE seem to have counted the score in its points differential but GAA.ie have not.
Rte are correct... Why would the score not count? Game isn't over until the ball goes dead after the hooter*
*from a few days ago that is
The hooter had gone, the ball was kicked on the hooter but because Rafferty touched it the point shouldnt have counted.
Ahhh.. A game from weeks ago, only half read it. Sure you could go through multiple incidents in every game re scores
Quote from: JoG2 on March 17, 2025, 04:42:41 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 17, 2025, 04:18:08 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 17, 2025, 03:27:58 PMQuote from: David McKeown on March 17, 2025, 01:01:58 PMFor some reason this didn't post but I see from reading the league tables the final score/non score the Tyrone v Armagh game may become important.
It was discussed on this thread briefly previously but at the buzzer Tyrone took a shot just before the buzzer sounded, as it was in the air the buzzer went. Then Rafferty deflected it over the bar.
The umpire initially didn't wave the flag (correctly as I understand the rule) but McQuillian who was referring ran in and told him to do so.
I may have the broadcasters the wrong way round here but RTE didn't count the score but GAAGo and BBC did.
If Armagh and Tyrone win and Mayo loose and/or Kerry draw then that one point may be crucial.
To further confuse matters RTE seem to have counted the score in its points differential but GAA.ie have not.
Rte are correct... Why would the score not count? Game isn't over until the ball goes dead after the hooter*
*from a few days ago that is
The hooter had gone, the ball was kicked on the hooter but because Rafferty touched it the point shouldnt have counted.
Ahhh.. A game from weeks ago, only half read it. Sure you could go through multiple incidents in every game re scores
You could but I don't remember two news outlets reporting different scores for the one match. My understanding of the rule at the time was the referee should not have allowed the score because Raferrty had a touch after the hooter but as he did then the score stood and that the RTE table is then correct and the gaa.ie table is incorrect. I am not sure if there is an official source for the correct score but potentially although admittedly unlikely it could make a huge difference this weekend.
Quote from: David McKeown on March 17, 2025, 04:46:00 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 17, 2025, 04:42:41 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 17, 2025, 04:18:08 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 17, 2025, 03:27:58 PMQuote from: David McKeown on March 17, 2025, 01:01:58 PMFor some reason this didn't post but I see from reading the league tables the final score/non score the Tyrone v Armagh game may become important.
It was discussed on this thread briefly previously but at the buzzer Tyrone took a shot just before the buzzer sounded, as it was in the air the buzzer went. Then Rafferty deflected it over the bar.
The umpire initially didn't wave the flag (correctly as I understand the rule) but McQuillian who was referring ran in and told him to do so.
I may have the broadcasters the wrong way round here but RTE didn't count the score but GAAGo and BBC did.
If Armagh and Tyrone win and Mayo loose and/or Kerry draw then that one point may be crucial.
To further confuse matters RTE seem to have counted the score in its points differential but GAA.ie have not.
Rte are correct... Why would the score not count? Game isn't over until the ball goes dead after the hooter*
*from a few days ago that is
The hooter had gone, the ball was kicked on the hooter but because Rafferty touched it the point shouldnt have counted.
Ahhh.. A game from weeks ago, only half read it. Sure you could go through multiple incidents in every game re scores
You could but I don't remember two news outlets reporting different scores for the one match. My understanding of the rule at the time was the referee should not have allowed the score because Raferrty had a touch after the hooter but as he did then the score stood and that the RTE table is then correct and the gaa.ie table is incorrect. I am not sure if there is an official source for the correct score but potentially although admittedly unlikely it could make a huge difference this weekend.
The point was initially flagged as a 2pt,but was touched so became 1pt, but then ref realised that the touch was after the hooter and disallowed it entirely.
Nonsense of course, it was a 2pt and should have remained as such.
Quote from: balladmaker on March 17, 2025, 02:28:20 PMToo many dead rubbers towards last couple of rounds makes a mockery of the league. Teams getting to the final because others don't want to be there, team's avoiding relegation because their opponents are playing their B side, it's a very strange competition.
As for the rules, and specifically the hooter. I thought the hooter played to the exact time of the game including stoppages. So when it blows, that's the time up. Why do the FRC think it appropriate for the game to be extended until a break in play, what's the rationale behind that?
It's never going to be exact, we're not playing nfl where seconds are added back. There's always an element of judgement as to when clock should or should not be stopped, this, very sensible amendment adds to the game and removes that potential for controversy around when the ball left the foot, see meath v Westmeath 2 weeks ago for example.
Quote from: onefineday on March 17, 2025, 11:38:31 PMQuote from: David McKeown on March 17, 2025, 04:46:00 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 17, 2025, 04:42:41 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 17, 2025, 04:18:08 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 17, 2025, 03:27:58 PMQuote from: David McKeown on March 17, 2025, 01:01:58 PMFor some reason this didn't post but I see from reading the league tables the final score/non score the Tyrone v Armagh game may become important.
It was discussed on this thread briefly previously but at the buzzer Tyrone took a shot just before the buzzer sounded, as it was in the air the buzzer went. Then Rafferty deflected it over the bar.
The umpire initially didn't wave the flag (correctly as I understand the rule) but McQuillian who was referring ran in and told him to do so.
I may have the broadcasters the wrong way round here but RTE didn't count the score but GAAGo and BBC did.
If Armagh and Tyrone win and Mayo loose and/or Kerry draw then that one point may be crucial.
To further confuse matters RTE seem to have counted the score in its points differential but GAA.ie have not.
Rte are correct... Why would the score not count? Game isn't over until the ball goes dead after the hooter*
*from a few days ago that is
The hooter had gone, the ball was kicked on the hooter but because Rafferty touched it the point shouldnt have counted.
Ahhh.. A game from weeks ago, only half read it. Sure you could go through multiple incidents in every game re scores
You could but I don't remember two news outlets reporting different scores for the one match. My understanding of the rule at the time was the referee should not have allowed the score because Raferrty had a touch after the hooter but as he did then the score stood and that the RTE table is then correct and the gaa.ie table is incorrect. I am not sure if there is an official source for the correct score but potentially although admittedly unlikely it could make a huge difference this weekend.
The point was initially flagged as a 2pt,but was touched so became 1pt, but then ref realised that the touch was after the hooter and disallowed it entirely.
Nonsense of course, it was a 2pt and should have remained as such.
That's not my memory at all. Rafferty definitely touched it after the hooter. Initially the umpire doesn't go for any flag then McQuillian runs in with an arm up then the umpire signals a point. So it definitely shouldn't have been a 2pt score or a score at all but RTE changed their graphic. BBC didn't. RTE have the final score 1-23 to 0-19. GAA.ie have it 1-23 to 0-18. I'm not sure it's possible to know which is correct
Hopefully it won't make a difference
Kerry support classy as ever.
https://www.reddit.com/r/GAA/comments/1jd4yvy/flare_incident_where_kerry_fans_threw_flares/
Just looking at the permutations and wow is it complicated. Just looking at relegation
If
Armagh and Tyrone lose then Tyrone are relegated.
If Armagh and Tyrone draw and Kerry avoid defeat the Tyrone are relegated
If Armagh and Tyrone draw and Kerry lose then Armagh are relegated until less Kerry are beaten by 20+ points (if they are then Kerry are relegated)
If Armagh and Tyrone win and Kerry lose then Kerry are relegated.
If Armagh Tyrone, Kerry all win and Mayo avoid defeat then Tyrone are relegated.
If Armagh and Tyrone win, Kerry draw and Mayo lose then it will depend on the points swing. Which is where it gets really complicated because any one of Armagh (most likely) Tyrone (least likely) or Mayo could go down.
If Armagh win, Tyrone win, Kerry draw and Mayo avoid defeat then again it comes down to scoring difference with again Armagh most likely to be relegated but Tyrone and Kerry could be relegated albeit it would take an Armagh win by 20 points and Tyrone to win by 12. to relegate Kerry
If Armagh, Tyrone, and Kerry win and Mayo lose then again it will come down to points swing which could be close. Armagh would be most likely to be relegated in such a scenario and Tyrone least likely to
Making the final is a little more straightforward I think but only a little more.
So Mayo and Kerry have avoiding relegation in their own hands. So technically does Armagh but only if they win by 20 points or more. Tyrone do not but probably need the least surprising other results to avoid relegation .
Quote from: onefineday on March 17, 2025, 11:38:31 PMQuote from: David McKeown on March 17, 2025, 04:46:00 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 17, 2025, 04:42:41 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 17, 2025, 04:18:08 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 17, 2025, 03:27:58 PMQuote from: David McKeown on March 17, 2025, 01:01:58 PMFor some reason this didn't post but I see from reading the league tables the final score/non score the Tyrone v Armagh game may become important.
It was discussed on this thread briefly previously but at the buzzer Tyrone took a shot just before the buzzer sounded, as it was in the air the buzzer went. Then Rafferty deflected it over the bar.
The umpire initially didn't wave the flag (correctly as I understand the rule) but McQuillian who was referring ran in and told him to do so.
I may have the broadcasters the wrong way round here but RTE didn't count the score but GAAGo and BBC did.
If Armagh and Tyrone win and Mayo loose and/or Kerry draw then that one point may be crucial.
To further confuse matters RTE seem to have counted the score in its points differential but GAA.ie have not.
Rte are correct... Why would the score not count? Game isn't over until the ball goes dead after the hooter*
*from a few days ago that is
The hooter had gone, the ball was kicked on the hooter but because Rafferty touched it the point shouldnt have counted.
Ahhh.. A game from weeks ago, only half read it. Sure you could go through multiple incidents in every game re scores
You could but I don't remember two news outlets reporting different scores for the one match. My understanding of the rule at the time was the referee should not have allowed the score because Raferrty had a touch after the hooter but as he did then the score stood and that the RTE table is then correct and the gaa.ie table is incorrect. I am not sure if there is an official source for the correct score but potentially although admittedly unlikely it could make a huge difference this weekend.
The point was initially flagged as a 2pt,but was touched so became 1pt, but then ref realised that the touch was after the hooter and disallowed it entirely.
Nonsense of course, it was a 2pt and should have remained as such.
No it shouldn't as that would be against the new rules.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 18, 2025, 06:39:33 AMQuote from: onefineday on March 17, 2025, 11:38:31 PMQuote from: David McKeown on March 17, 2025, 04:46:00 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 17, 2025, 04:42:41 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 17, 2025, 04:18:08 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 17, 2025, 03:27:58 PMQuote from: David McKeown on March 17, 2025, 01:01:58 PMFor some reason this didn't post but I see from reading the league tables the final score/non score the Tyrone v Armagh game may become important.
It was discussed on this thread briefly previously but at the buzzer Tyrone took a shot just before the buzzer sounded, as it was in the air the buzzer went. Then Rafferty deflected it over the bar.
The umpire initially didn't wave the flag (correctly as I understand the rule) but McQuillian who was referring ran in and told him to do so.
I may have the broadcasters the wrong way round here but RTE didn't count the score but GAAGo and BBC did.
If Armagh and Tyrone win and Mayo loose and/or Kerry draw then that one point may be crucial.
To further confuse matters RTE seem to have counted the score in its points differential but GAA.ie have not.
Rte are correct... Why would the score not count? Game isn't over until the ball goes dead after the hooter*
*from a few days ago that is
The hooter had gone, the ball was kicked on the hooter but because Rafferty touched it the point shouldnt have counted.
Ahhh.. A game from weeks ago, only half read it. Sure you could go through multiple incidents in every game re scores
You could but I don't remember two news outlets reporting different scores for the one match. My understanding of the rule at the time was the referee should not have allowed the score because Raferrty had a touch after the hooter but as he did then the score stood and that the RTE table is then correct and the gaa.ie table is incorrect. I am not sure if there is an official source for the correct score but potentially although admittedly unlikely it could make a huge difference this weekend.
The point was initially flagged as a 2pt,but was touched so became 1pt, but then ref realised that the touch was after the hooter and disallowed it entirely.
Nonsense of course, it was a 2pt and should have remained as such.
No it shouldn't as that would be against the new rules.
the rules for the weekend past or the rules for when that game was played?
Quote from: David McKeown on March 18, 2025, 01:03:02 AMIf Armagh win, Tyrone win, Kerry draw and Mayo avoid defeat then again it comes down to scoring difference with again Armagh most likely to be relegated but Tyrone and Kerry could be relegated albeit it would take an Armagh win by 20 points and Tyrone to win by 12. to relegate Kerry
Is there not also a scenario here where Armagh win by 12 points more than Tyrone and so Tyrone go down?
Not especially likely, but Tyrone are likely to have a battle against Dublin and Derry might choose to direct their training towards the Ulster championship and give a few lads a run out. I expect that Derry would just as soon relegate Tyrone as Armagh.
Armagh really should have made a better effort in Tralee and reduced the scoring differences.
Rian O'Neill is going to be a huge loss to Armagh this year, I was looking forward to him and Oisin starting, they offer so much threat when both are on the field together.
He would have been perfect for 2 pointers.
I don't think armagh will be the same team without him - I have never been sold on his attitude(though have on ability) but he really stood up at crucial times last year.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 18, 2025, 11:25:07 AMQuote from: David McKeown on March 18, 2025, 01:03:02 AMIf Armagh win, Tyrone win, Kerry draw and Mayo avoid defeat then again it comes down to scoring difference with again Armagh most likely to be relegated but Tyrone and Kerry could be relegated albeit it would take an Armagh win by 20 points and Tyrone to win by 12. to relegate Kerry
Is there not also a scenario here where Armagh win by 12 points more than Tyrone and so Tyrone go down?
Not especially likely, but Tyrone are likely to have a battle against Dublin and Derry might choose to direct their training towards the Ulster championship and give a few lads a run out. I expect that Derry would just as soon relegate Tyrone as Armagh.
Armagh really should have made a better effort in Tralee and reduced the scoring differences.
Yes but it's very strange. It needs Armagh to outscore Tyrone by either 8 or 10 points (depending on what the actual correct result was) and one or both of the following two things to happen. Either a Kerry draw where Tyrone have won by no more than 12. And/Or Tyrone to win by 1 and Mayo to lose by 1 (again depending on the correct score in Armagh v Tyrone). I think that is so improbable that I left it out.
Any Div 1 or 2 match not live on TV or the app this weekend will be live on YouTube fair play to TG4.
From the Irish News
Galway (v Kerry)
- A Galway win almost certainly guarantees their place in the league final
- If Galway draw, Dublin and Donegal win, Galway will finish third
- If Galway draw, Dublin and Mayo win, Galway will reach the league final on head-to-head against Mayo
- If Galway (+17) draw, Dublin (+8) draw and Mayo (--3) win, Galway would reach the league final unless Mayo won by 20 points or more
- If Galway lose and Dublin win or draw, Galway would finish third at best and potentially as low as fifth
- If Galway lose and Dublin lose, one of Donegal or Mayo will reach the final. If Mayo and Donegal draw, Donegal will qualify and Mayo (-3) will join Galway (+17), Kerry (+11) and Dublin (+8) on eight points, with the team that finishes with the best score difference qualifying for the final.
- If Galway lose, Dublin lose and Mayo win, Mayo will reach the league final and be joined by the team with the best score difference of Galway (+17), Kerry (+11), Dublin (+8) and Donegal (+4) as they'll all have finished level on eight points.
- Galway cannot be relegated
Kerry (v Galway)
- A win guarantees safety
- With a score difference of +11, a draw would almost certainly achieve safety, barring a freak set of results
- If Kerry lose but either of Armagh or Tyrone fail to win, Kerry would stay up
- If Kerry lose and both Armagh and Tyrone win, Kerry would be relegated
- If Kerry (+11) win, Dublin (+8) and Galway (+17) lose and Donegal win, whichever of the three has the best score difference would face Donegal in the final.
- If Kerry (+11) win, Dublin (+8) and Galway (+17) lose and Mayo win, whichever of Kerry, Dublin, Galway and Donegal (+4) has the best score difference would qualify with Mayo.
- Kerry cannot reach the league final if two of Donegal, Dublin and Galway win or draw
Dublin (v Tyrone)
- If Dublin win, they will reach the league final
- If Dublin, Donegal and Galway all draw, Dublin will reach the league final
- If Dublin draw, Donegal and Galway win, Dublin will finish third
- If Dublin draw, Donegal win and Kerry win, Dublin would reach the league final
- If Dublin draw, Mayo and Galway win, Dublin would reach the league final
- If Dublin (+8) draw, Galway (+17) draw and Mayo (-3) win, Dublin would reach the league final unless Mayo won by at least 11 points
- If Dublin lose, they cannot reach the league final as either Donegal or Mayo would be guaranteed to overtake them
Donegal (v Mayo)
- If Donegal win and either Dublin or Galway fail to win, Donegal would reach the league final
- If Donegal, Dublin and Galway all win or all draw, Donegal would finish third
- If Donegal (+4), Dublin (+8) and Galway (+17) all lose, Donegal could not reach the league final
- Donegal cannot be relegated
Mayo (v Donegal)
- A win guarantees safety
- A draw guarantees safety
- If Mayo lose and Tyrone and Armagh both win, and Kerry either win or lose, one of Mayo (-3), Tyrone (0) or Armagh (-8) would be relegated on score difference
- If Mayo lose, Tyrone and Armagh both win and Kerry draw, whichever of those four finishes with the lowest score difference would be relegated
- If Mayo draw, they will be safe but highly unlikely to reach the league final
- If Mayo win and either Dublin or Galway lose, Mayo would reach the Division One final
- If Mayo win, Dublin draw and Galway win, Mayo would finish third on head-to-head v Dublin
- If Mayo win, Galway draw and Dublin win, Mayo would finish third on head-to-head v Galway
Armagh (v Derry)
- A win would keep Armagh (+8) up unless Tyrone (0) win, Mayo (-3) lose and Kerry win, in which case it would come down to score difference between Armagh, Tyrone and Mayo
- A draw would keep Armagh up if Tyrone lose
- If both Armagh and Tyrone lose, Armagh stay up on head-to-head
- If Armagh draw and Tyrone win, Armagh would be relegated because of their head-to-head record against Kerry
- If Armagh (-8) draw, Tyrone (0) draw and Kerry (+11) lose, Armagh would be relegated unless Kerry lost by 20 points or more
- If Armagh (-8) and Tyrone (0) win, Kerry (+11) draw and Mayo (-3) lose, the team with the worst score difference of the four is relegated. Armagh would need their win coupled with the margin of Mayo's defeat to cause a six-point swing unless Armagh score at least five more points than Mayo on Sunday. If Armagh score five more than Mayo in that scenario, a five-point swing in score difference would be enough.
- Armagh cannot reach the league final
Tyrone (v Dublin)
- Defeat means relegation, regardless of other results, because of their head-to-head record v Armagh
- A draw would only keep Tyrone up if Armagh lose
- A win would keep Tyrone up if Armagh or Kerry lose
- If Tyrone and Armagh both win and Kerry lose, Kerry would go down
- If Tyrone, Armagh and Kerry all win and Mayo lose, it comes down to score difference between Tyrone (0), Mayo (-3) and Armagh (-8)
- If Tyrone, Armagh and Mayo all win and Kerry lose, the team with the worst score difference between Tyrone, Armagh, Mayo and Kerry would go down
- Tyrone cannot reach the league final
Derry (v Mayo)
- Derry are relegated and can only finish bottom
They are slightly wrong on the Armagh one about this.
The forecast for Sunday is a definite Northerly wind, with rain earlier in the day with rain possibly still in Armagh at game time.
Quote from: David McKeown on March 18, 2025, 12:20:59 AMQuote from: onefineday on March 17, 2025, 11:38:31 PMQuote from: David McKeown on March 17, 2025, 04:46:00 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 17, 2025, 04:42:41 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 17, 2025, 04:18:08 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 17, 2025, 03:27:58 PMQuote from: David McKeown on March 17, 2025, 01:01:58 PMFor some reason this didn't post but I see from reading the league tables the final score/non score the Tyrone v Armagh game may become important.
It was discussed on this thread briefly previously but at the buzzer Tyrone took a shot just before the buzzer sounded, as it was in the air the buzzer went. Then Rafferty deflected it over the bar.
The umpire initially didn't wave the flag (correctly as I understand the rule) but McQuillian who was referring ran in and told him to do so.
I may have the broadcasters the wrong way round here but RTE didn't count the score but GAAGo and BBC did.
If Armagh and Tyrone win and Mayo loose and/or Kerry draw then that one point may be crucial.
To further confuse matters RTE seem to have counted the score in its points differential but GAA.ie have not.
Rte are correct... Why would the score not count? Game isn't over until the ball goes dead after the hooter*
*from a few days ago that is
The hooter had gone, the ball was kicked on the hooter but because Rafferty touched it the point shouldnt have counted.
Ahhh.. A game from weeks ago, only half read it. Sure you could go through multiple incidents in every game re scores
You could but I don't remember two news outlets reporting different scores for the one match. My understanding of the rule at the time was the referee should not have allowed the score because Raferrty had a touch after the hooter but as he did then the score stood and that the RTE table is then correct and the gaa.ie table is incorrect. I am not sure if there is an official source for the correct score but potentially although admittedly unlikely it could make a huge difference this weekend.
The point was initially flagged as a 2pt,but was touched so became 1pt, but then ref realised that the touch was after the hooter and disallowed it entirely.
Nonsense of course, it was a 2pt and should have remained as such.
That's not my memory at all. Rafferty definitely touched it after the hooter. Initially the umpire doesn't go for any flag then McQuillian runs in with an arm up then the umpire signals a point. So it definitely shouldn't have been a 2pt score or a score at all but RTE changed their graphic. BBC didn't. RTE have the final score 1-23 to 0-19. GAA.ie have it 1-23 to 0-18. I'm not sure it's possible to know which is correct
Hopefully it won't make a difference
Final score as per referee was 1.23 to 0.18 - excerpt from match report below:
With a final swish, Michael McKernan unleashed a buzzer-beating effort from outside the arc just before the siren sounded. The umpire raised his flag, the scoreboard switched over, Ethan Rafferty touched it before it went over the bar making it one point instead of two. None of it mattered.
That score didn't count. It took a long time for anyone to realise it. The fact that Rafferty touched the ball after the buzzer meant the final play was considered a shot that dropped short. Ultimately, the press in the media box were informed that the issue had been clarified post-match and the revised Tyrone total was 18 points. Welcome to the new order
Quote from: onefineday on March 19, 2025, 04:21:47 PMQuote from: David McKeown on March 18, 2025, 12:20:59 AMQuote from: onefineday on March 17, 2025, 11:38:31 PMQuote from: David McKeown on March 17, 2025, 04:46:00 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 17, 2025, 04:42:41 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 17, 2025, 04:18:08 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 17, 2025, 03:27:58 PMQuote from: David McKeown on March 17, 2025, 01:01:58 PMFor some reason this didn't post but I see from reading the league tables the final score/non score the Tyrone v Armagh game may become important.
It was discussed on this thread briefly previously but at the buzzer Tyrone took a shot just before the buzzer sounded, as it was in the air the buzzer went. Then Rafferty deflected it over the bar.
The umpire initially didn't wave the flag (correctly as I understand the rule) but McQuillian who was referring ran in and told him to do so.
I may have the broadcasters the wrong way round here but RTE didn't count the score but GAAGo and BBC did.
If Armagh and Tyrone win and Mayo loose and/or Kerry draw then that one point may be crucial.
To further confuse matters RTE seem to have counted the score in its points differential but GAA.ie have not.
Rte are correct... Why would the score not count? Game isn't over until the ball goes dead after the hooter*
*from a few days ago that is
The hooter had gone, the ball was kicked on the hooter but because Rafferty touched it the point shouldnt have counted.
Ahhh.. A game from weeks ago, only half read it. Sure you could go through multiple incidents in every game re scores
You could but I don't remember two news outlets reporting different scores for the one match. My understanding of the rule at the time was the referee should not have allowed the score because Raferrty had a touch after the hooter but as he did then the score stood and that the RTE table is then correct and the gaa.ie table is incorrect. I am not sure if there is an official source for the correct score but potentially although admittedly unlikely it could make a huge difference this weekend.
The point was initially flagged as a 2pt,but was touched so became 1pt, but then ref realised that the touch was after the hooter and disallowed it entirely.
Nonsense of course, it was a 2pt and should have remained as such.
That's not my memory at all. Rafferty definitely touched it after the hooter. Initially the umpire doesn't go for any flag then McQuillian runs in with an arm up then the umpire signals a point. So it definitely shouldn't have been a 2pt score or a score at all but RTE changed their graphic. BBC didn't. RTE have the final score 1-23 to 0-19. GAA.ie have it 1-23 to 0-18. I'm not sure it's possible to know which is correct
Hopefully it won't make a difference
Final score as per referee was 1.23 to 0.18 - excerpt from match report below:
With a final swish, Michael McKernan unleashed a buzzer-beating effort from outside the arc just before the siren sounded. The umpire raised his flag, the scoreboard switched over, Ethan Rafferty touched it before it went over the bar making it one point instead of two. None of it mattered.
That score didn't count. It took a long time for anyone to realise it. The fact that Rafferty touched the ball after the buzzer meant the final play was considered a shot that dropped short. Ultimately, the press in the media box were informed that the issue had been clarified post-match and the revised Tyrone total was 18 points. Welcome to the new order
I wonder where that match report is from. Also the footage available makes very clear the score was awarded wrongly. It certainly didn't seem to have been cancelled. My understanding was that scores couldn't be cancelled post match.
https://youtu.be/8BBSMeWq-Gk?si=s3drdPmwQxUsGbjL
Have put 50 on Kerry for the league @11/1
Galway and Donegal looking to be avoiding final
Tyrone needs the points and should edge the dubs.
we could more than likely have a kerry and mayo final.
Galway 7/5
Dublin 15/8
Mayo 9/2
Donegal 6/1
Kerry 11/1
Quote from: David McKeown on March 19, 2025, 04:46:54 PMQuote from: onefineday on March 19, 2025, 04:21:47 PMQuote from: David McKeown on March 18, 2025, 12:20:59 AMQuote from: onefineday on March 17, 2025, 11:38:31 PMQuote from: David McKeown on March 17, 2025, 04:46:00 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 17, 2025, 04:42:41 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 17, 2025, 04:18:08 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 17, 2025, 03:27:58 PMQuote from: David McKeown on March 17, 2025, 01:01:58 PMFor some reason this didn't post but I see from reading the league tables the final score/non score the Tyrone v Armagh game may become important.
It was discussed on this thread briefly previously but at the buzzer Tyrone took a shot just before the buzzer sounded, as it was in the air the buzzer went. Then Rafferty deflected it over the bar.
The umpire initially didn't wave the flag (correctly as I understand the rule) but McQuillian who was referring ran in and told him to do so.
I may have the broadcasters the wrong way round here but RTE didn't count the score but GAAGo and BBC did.
If Armagh and Tyrone win and Mayo loose and/or Kerry draw then that one point may be crucial.
To further confuse matters RTE seem to have counted the score in its points differential but GAA.ie have not.
Rte are correct... Why would the score not count? Game isn't over until the ball goes dead after the hooter*
*from a few days ago that is
The hooter had gone, the ball was kicked on the hooter but because Rafferty touched it the point shouldnt have counted.
Ahhh.. A game from weeks ago, only half read it. Sure you could go through multiple incidents in every game re scores
You could but I don't remember two news outlets reporting different scores for the one match. My understanding of the rule at the time was the referee should not have allowed the score because Raferrty had a touch after the hooter but as he did then the score stood and that the RTE table is then correct and the gaa.ie table is incorrect. I am not sure if there is an official source for the correct score but potentially although admittedly unlikely it could make a huge difference this weekend.
The point was initially flagged as a 2pt,but was touched so became 1pt, but then ref realised that the touch was after the hooter and disallowed it entirely.
Nonsense of course, it was a 2pt and should have remained as such.
That's not my memory at all. Rafferty definitely touched it after the hooter. Initially the umpire doesn't go for any flag then McQuillian runs in with an arm up then the umpire signals a point. So it definitely shouldn't have been a 2pt score or a score at all but RTE changed their graphic. BBC didn't. RTE have the final score 1-23 to 0-19. GAA.ie have it 1-23 to 0-18. I'm not sure it's possible to know which is correct
Hopefully it won't make a difference
Final score as per referee was 1.23 to 0.18 - excerpt from match report below:
With a final swish, Michael McKernan unleashed a buzzer-beating effort from outside the arc just before the siren sounded. The umpire raised his flag, the scoreboard switched over, Ethan Rafferty touched it before it went over the bar making it one point instead of two. None of it mattered.
That score didn't count. It took a long time for anyone to realise it. The fact that Rafferty touched the ball after the buzzer meant the final play was considered a shot that dropped short. Ultimately, the press in the media box were informed that the issue had been clarified post-match and the revised Tyrone total was 18 points. Welcome to the new order
I wonder where that match report is from. Also the footage available makes very clear the score was awarded wrongly. It certainly didn't seem to have been cancelled. My understanding was that scores couldn't be cancelled post match.
https://youtu.be/8BBSMeWq-Gk?si=s3drdPmwQxUsGbjL
Irish examiner, the author explained how the ref clarified this all with them afterwards, the scoreline on gaa.ie is also as per above - I'd say it's all pretty definitive.
Derry to line out a near full reserve team, and just focus on Donegal, atrocious injury list at the minute.
Quote from: onefineday on March 19, 2025, 11:58:59 PMQuote from: David McKeown on March 19, 2025, 04:46:54 PMQuote from: onefineday on March 19, 2025, 04:21:47 PMQuote from: David McKeown on March 18, 2025, 12:20:59 AMQuote from: onefineday on March 17, 2025, 11:38:31 PMQuote from: David McKeown on March 17, 2025, 04:46:00 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 17, 2025, 04:42:41 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 17, 2025, 04:18:08 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 17, 2025, 03:27:58 PMQuote from: David McKeown on March 17, 2025, 01:01:58 PMFor some reason this didn't post but I see from reading the league tables the final score/non score the Tyrone v Armagh game may become important.
It was discussed on this thread briefly previously but at the buzzer Tyrone took a shot just before the buzzer sounded, as it was in the air the buzzer went. Then Rafferty deflected it over the bar.
The umpire initially didn't wave the flag (correctly as I understand the rule) but McQuillian who was referring ran in and told him to do so.
I may have the broadcasters the wrong way round here but RTE didn't count the score but GAAGo and BBC did.
If Armagh and Tyrone win and Mayo loose and/or Kerry draw then that one point may be crucial.
To further confuse matters RTE seem to have counted the score in its points differential but GAA.ie have not.
Rte are correct... Why would the score not count? Game isn't over until the ball goes dead after the hooter*
*from a few days ago that is
The hooter had gone, the ball was kicked on the hooter but because Rafferty touched it the point shouldnt have counted.
Ahhh.. A game from weeks ago, only half read it. Sure you could go through multiple incidents in every game re scores
You could but I don't remember two news outlets reporting different scores for the one match. My understanding of the rule at the time was the referee should not have allowed the score because Raferrty had a touch after the hooter but as he did then the score stood and that the RTE table is then correct and the gaa.ie table is incorrect. I am not sure if there is an official source for the correct score but potentially although admittedly unlikely it could make a huge difference this weekend.
The point was initially flagged as a 2pt,but was touched so became 1pt, but then ref realised that the touch was after the hooter and disallowed it entirely.
Nonsense of course, it was a 2pt and should have remained as such.
That's not my memory at all. Rafferty definitely touched it after the hooter. Initially the umpire doesn't go for any flag then McQuillian runs in with an arm up then the umpire signals a point. So it definitely shouldn't have been a 2pt score or a score at all but RTE changed their graphic. BBC didn't. RTE have the final score 1-23 to 0-19. GAA.ie have it 1-23 to 0-18. I'm not sure it's possible to know which is correct
Hopefully it won't make a difference
Final score as per referee was 1.23 to 0.18 - excerpt from match report below:
With a final swish, Michael McKernan unleashed a buzzer-beating effort from outside the arc just before the siren sounded. The umpire raised his flag, the scoreboard switched over, Ethan Rafferty touched it before it went over the bar making it one point instead of two. None of it mattered.
That score didn't count. It took a long time for anyone to realise it. The fact that Rafferty touched the ball after the buzzer meant the final play was considered a shot that dropped short. Ultimately, the press in the media box were informed that the issue had been clarified post-match and the revised Tyrone total was 18 points. Welcome to the new order
I wonder where that match report is from. Also the footage available makes very clear the score was awarded wrongly. It certainly didn't seem to have been cancelled. My understanding was that scores couldn't be cancelled post match.
https://youtu.be/8BBSMeWq-Gk?si=s3drdPmwQxUsGbjL
Irish examiner, the author explained how the ref clarified this all with them afterwards, the scoreline on gaa.ie is also as per above - I'd say it's all pretty definitive.
I'm confused why did the ref call the press box. Surely if the ref didn't give the score it would have been obvious and there'd have been no need for clarification. Alternatively if he had given it where does the power to change the scoreline after the match come from.
Quote from: David McKeownI'm confused why did the ref call the press box. Surely if the ref didn't give the score it would have been obvious and there'd have been no need for clarification. Alternatively if he had given it where does the power to change the scoreline after the match come from.
I think he clarified with the press box as to what his onfield decision was. The problem appears to have been that rte and a number of print journalists incorrectly added the point which could never have counted under the rules as they were then.
Quote from: onefineday on March 20, 2025, 07:01:15 AMQuote from: David McKeownI'm confused why did the ref call the press box. Surely if the ref didn't give the score it would have been obvious and there'd have been no need for clarification. Alternatively if he had given it where does the power to change the scoreline after the match come from.
I think he clarified with the press box as to what his onfield decision was. The problem appears to have been that rte and a number of print journalists incorrectly added the point which could never have counted under the rules as they were then.
I might understand that if that's what his decision had been but the footage clearly shows him run in and award the point. The fact he signals one and not two shows he knew there was a touch. The whole thing makes me think he awarded the score (wrongly) and was then told afterward he shouldn't have and tried to change it. Which I thought you couldn't do after the match had changed. Anyway hopefully it won't matter come Sunday.
If a Ref can award a point at half time (Galway v Derry) he can surely cancel a wrongly awarded one 30 seconds later.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 20, 2025, 12:57:03 AMDerry to line out a near full reserve team, and just focus on Donegal, atrocious injury list at the minute.
The injury list is overstated due to the lack of depth in the squad those highlighted below are lads who have played significant minutes over the last number of years and would get minutes if Derry were full out.
Odhran Lynch, Diarmuid Baker, Eoin McEvoy, Martin Bradley,
Conor Doherty, Padraig McGrogan, Patrick McGurk,
Conor Glass, Anton Tohill,
Ethan Doherty, Niall Toner, Dan Higgins,
Niall Loughlin, Shane McGuigan, Paul Cassidy.Bradley has had a decent campaign and would expect he will figure against Donegal and McGurk and Higgins have shown potential. If talk is right they have lost Lynch(who hasn't played the majority of the league as was deemed second choice), McCluskey, Rogers, McFaul and McKinless, Murray and Gilmore( don't think he plays if everyone fit).
Quote from: statto on March 20, 2025, 09:02:27 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on March 20, 2025, 12:57:03 AMDerry to line out a near full reserve team, and just focus on Donegal, atrocious injury list at the minute.
The injury list is overstated due to the lack of depth in the squad those highlighted below are lads who have played significant minutes over the last number of years and would get minutes if Derry were full out.
Odhran Lynch, Diarmuid Baker, Eoin McEvoy, Martin Bradley, Conor Doherty, Padraig McGrogan, Patrick McGurk, Conor Glass, Anton Tohill, Ethan Doherty, Niall Toner, Dan Higgins, Niall Loughlin, Shane McGuigan, Paul Cassidy.
Bradley has had a decent campaign and would expect he will figure against Donegal and McGurk and Higgins have shown potential. If talk is right they have lost Lynch(who hasn't played the majority of the league as was deemed second choice), McCluskey, Rogers, McFaul and McKinless, Murray and Gilmore( don't think he plays if everyone fit).
Injury list overstated and then you list pretty much half the starting team
Quote from: LarryStiles on March 19, 2025, 11:33:31 PMHave put 50 on Kerry for the league @11/1
Galway and Donegal looking to be avoiding final
Tyrone needs the points and should edge the dubs.
we could more than likely have a kerry and mayo final.
Galway 7/5
Dublin 15/8
Mayo 9/2
Donegal 6/1
Kerry 11/1
Would Mayo not want to be avoiding the league final more than Galway.
I know Galway have to travel to New York the week after but Mayo have a potentially tricky tie v Sligo the same weekend.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 20, 2025, 09:55:29 AMQuote from: LarryStiles on March 19, 2025, 11:33:31 PMHave put 50 on Kerry for the league @11/1
Galway and Donegal looking to be avoiding final
Tyrone needs the points and should edge the dubs.
we could more than likely have a kerry and mayo final.
Galway 7/5
Dublin 15/8
Mayo 9/2
Donegal 6/1
Kerry 11/1
Would Mayo not want to be avoiding the league final more than Galway.
I know Galway have to travel to New York the week after but Mayo have a potentially tricky tie v Sligo the same weekend.
Its hard to know tbh , Sligo and Leitrim not going well at all so not sure it's the banana skin you'd usually associate with it but then again Galway nearly came a cropper last year v Sligo .
To me though if there is any chance Tommy and paddy are going to feature in championship, it would be a nice run out for them in croker . Sure no big deal about a league final either as in we don't have to put everything into it , Shur we have 13 of them titles ;D ;D ;D
Plus our bucks don't really have a choice but to go out and win v Donegal as there's still the chance of relegation mathematically.
It's an intriguing Sunday
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 20, 2025, 09:55:29 AMQuote from: LarryStiles on March 19, 2025, 11:33:31 PMHave put 50 on Kerry for the league @11/1
Galway and Donegal looking to be avoiding final
Tyrone needs the points and should edge the dubs.
we could more than likely have a kerry and mayo final.
Galway 7/5
Dublin 15/8
Mayo 9/2
Donegal 6/1
Kerry 11/1
Would Mayo not want to be avoiding the league final more than Galway.
I know Galway have to travel to New York the week after but Mayo have a potentially tricky tie v Sligo the same weekend.
Whatever about Donegal I don't think Galway are looking to avoid a league final, Joyce has already made his intentions clear to the media and will likely field close to a first 15 this weekend.
Mayo and McStay won't say no to another opportunity of playing in another Div 1 final against their neighbours. They'll overcome Sligo regardless.
Quote from: JoG2 on March 20, 2025, 09:43:24 AMQuote from: statto on March 20, 2025, 09:02:27 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on March 20, 2025, 12:57:03 AMDerry to line out a near full reserve team, and just focus on Donegal, atrocious injury list at the minute.
The injury list is overstated due to the lack of depth in the squad those highlighted below are lads who have played significant minutes over the last number of years and would get minutes if Derry were full out.
Odhran Lynch, Diarmuid Baker, Eoin McEvoy, Martin Bradley, Conor Doherty, Padraig McGrogan, Patrick McGurk, Conor Glass, Anton Tohill, Ethan Doherty, Niall Toner, Dan Higgins, Niall Loughlin, Shane McGuigan, Paul Cassidy.
Bradley has had a decent campaign and would expect he will figure against Donegal and McGurk and Higgins have shown potential. If talk is right they have lost Lynch(who hasn't played the majority of the league as was deemed second choice), McCluskey, Rogers, McFaul and McKinless, Murray and Gilmore( don't think he plays if everyone fit).
Injury list overstated and then you list pretty much half the starting team
Lynch hasn't been selected for the majority of games, which would indicate Tally would have concerns about him.
Rogers and Murray have been available for alot of the league. McFaul, McKinless and McCluskey are losses obviously.
In league football most sides in Division 1 would have 4/5 lads that are getting their chances alongside more established players week on week. Derry would have been the exception to this last year when playing strongest team week on week, which was two fold as never developed any depth to the panel and also didn't give rest to the like of the Glen players who needed a rest.
Quote from: statto on March 20, 2025, 10:13:31 AMQuote from: JoG2 on March 20, 2025, 09:43:24 AMQuote from: statto on March 20, 2025, 09:02:27 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on March 20, 2025, 12:57:03 AMDerry to line out a near full reserve team, and just focus on Donegal, atrocious injury list at the minute.
The injury list is overstated due to the lack of depth in the squad those highlighted below are lads who have played significant minutes over the last number of years and would get minutes if Derry were full out.
Odhran Lynch, Diarmuid Baker, Eoin McEvoy, Martin Bradley, Conor Doherty, Padraig McGrogan, Patrick McGurk, Conor Glass, Anton Tohill, Ethan Doherty, Niall Toner, Dan Higgins, Niall Loughlin, Shane McGuigan, Paul Cassidy.
Bradley has had a decent campaign and would expect he will figure against Donegal and McGurk and Higgins have shown potential. If talk is right they have lost Lynch(who hasn't played the majority of the league as was deemed second choice), McCluskey, Rogers, McFaul and McKinless, Murray and Gilmore( don't think he plays if everyone fit).
Injury list overstated and then you list pretty much half the starting team
Lynch hasn't been selected for the majority of games, which would indicate Tally would have concerns about him.
Rogers and Murray have been available for alot of the league. McFaul, McKinless and McCluskey are losses obviously.
In league football most sides in Division 1 would have 4/5 lads that are getting their chances alongside more established players week on week. Derry would have been the exception to this last year when playing strongest team week on week, which was two fold as never developed any depth to the panel and also didn't give rest to the like of the Glen players who needed a rest.
Maybe in years gone by, not these days for the first half of the league games.. Teams generally go as strong as they can with the player available
Quote from: statto on March 20, 2025, 10:13:31 AMQuote from: JoG2 on March 20, 2025, 09:43:24 AMQuote from: statto on March 20, 2025, 09:02:27 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on March 20, 2025, 12:57:03 AMDerry to line out a near full reserve team, and just focus on Donegal, atrocious injury list at the minute.
The injury list is overstated due to the lack of depth in the squad those highlighted below are lads who have played significant minutes over the last number of years and would get minutes if Derry were full out.
Odhran Lynch, Diarmuid Baker, Eoin McEvoy, Martin Bradley, Conor Doherty, Padraig McGrogan, Patrick McGurk, Conor Glass, Anton Tohill, Ethan Doherty, Niall Toner, Dan Higgins, Niall Loughlin, Shane McGuigan, Paul Cassidy.
Bradley has had a decent campaign and would expect he will figure against Donegal and McGurk and Higgins have shown potential. If talk is right they have lost Lynch(who hasn't played the majority of the league as was deemed second choice), McCluskey, Rogers, McFaul and McKinless, Murray and Gilmore( don't think he plays if everyone fit).
Injury list overstated and then you list pretty much half the starting team
Lynch hasn't been selected for the majority of games, which would indicate Tally would have concerns about him.
Rogers and Murray have been available for alot of the league. McFaul, McKinless and McCluskey are losses obviously.
In league football most sides in Division 1 would have 4/5 lads that are getting their chances alongside more established players week on week. Derry would have been the exception to this last year when playing strongest team week on week, which was two fold as never developed any depth to the panel and also didn't give rest to the like of the Glen players who needed a rest.
Lynch started the Tyrone, Donegal and Mayo games, and would definitely be starting against Armagh if fit.
McNicholl started the Dublin, Kerry and Galway games. So it's a 50/50 split before the final game.
I'd say Tallys concerns around Lynch were more to do with mobility for the 12v11, but that rule has gone now and Lynch was 1st choice again.
Also the likes of McGrogan and Laughlin are just off the back of long term injuries. They are no where near full fitness and have yet to play an entire 70mins yet.
Quote from: Estimator on March 20, 2025, 10:53:42 AMQuote from: statto on March 20, 2025, 10:13:31 AMQuote from: JoG2 on March 20, 2025, 09:43:24 AMQuote from: statto on March 20, 2025, 09:02:27 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on March 20, 2025, 12:57:03 AMDerry to line out a near full reserve team, and just focus on Donegal, atrocious injury list at the minute.
The injury list is overstated due to the lack of depth in the squad those highlighted below are lads who have played significant minutes over the last number of years and would get minutes if Derry were full out.
Odhran Lynch, Diarmuid Baker, Eoin McEvoy, Martin Bradley, Conor Doherty, Padraig McGrogan, Patrick McGurk, Conor Glass, Anton Tohill, Ethan Doherty, Niall Toner, Dan Higgins, Niall Loughlin, Shane McGuigan, Paul Cassidy.
Bradley has had a decent campaign and would expect he will figure against Donegal and McGurk and Higgins have shown potential. If talk is right they have lost Lynch(who hasn't played the majority of the league as was deemed second choice), McCluskey, Rogers, McFaul and McKinless, Murray and Gilmore( don't think he plays if everyone fit).
Injury list overstated and then you list pretty much half the starting team
Lynch hasn't been selected for the majority of games, which would indicate Tally would have concerns about him.
Rogers and Murray have been available for alot of the league. McFaul, McKinless and McCluskey are losses obviously.
In league football most sides in Division 1 would have 4/5 lads that are getting their chances alongside more established players week on week. Derry would have been the exception to this last year when playing strongest team week on week, which was two fold as never developed any depth to the panel and also didn't give rest to the like of the Glen players who needed a rest.
Lynch started the Tyrone, Donegal and Mayo games, and would definitely be starting against Armagh if fit.
McNicholl started the Dublin, Kerry and Galway games. So it's a 50/50 split before the final game.
I'd say Tallys concerns around Lynch were more to do with mobility for the 12v11, but that rule has gone now and Lynch was 1st choice again.
Also the likes of McGrogan and Laughlin are just off the back of long term injuries. They are no where near full fitness and have yet to play an entire 70mins yet.
Fair enough points, given the number of goals conceded and the change in rule Lynch would probably be first choice.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 20, 2025, 09:55:29 AMQuote from: LarryStiles on March 19, 2025, 11:33:31 PMHave put 50 on Kerry for the league @11/1
Galway and Donegal looking to be avoiding final
Tyrone needs the points and should edge the dubs.
we could more than likely have a kerry and mayo final.
Galway 7/5
Dublin 15/8
Mayo 9/2
Donegal 6/1
Kerry 11/1
Would Mayo not want to be avoiding the league final more than Galway.
I know Galway have to travel to New York the week after but Mayo have a potentially tricky tie v Sligo the same weekend.
Has there been research done into output of a championship game V a national league game?
By that I mean, intensity, sprints and meters covered etc. Just to compare the 2.
I mean being at some championship games this past few years, they were as dead as league games. Maybe because of the type of football i.e. lateral passing from one side to the other and it didn't seen too intense.
I'm just wondering why teams are avoiding getting to and winning the league final.
Dublin & Derry went to extra-time in last year's final. It was a tough game & an emotional day. Both exited the championship tamely.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on March 20, 2025, 05:45:43 PMDublin & Derry went to extra-time in last year's final. It was a tough game & an emotional day. Both exited the championship tamely.
That had diddly to do with either Dublin or Derry's championships... You'd think a football game is the equivalent to a 3 month stint in a Siberian jail with some folk in here
Quote from: JoG2 on March 20, 2025, 05:58:45 PMQuote from: Aaron Boone on March 20, 2025, 05:45:43 PMDublin & Derry went to extra-time in last year's final. It was a tough game & an emotional day. Both exited the championship tamely.
That had diddly to do with either Dublin or Derry's championships... You'd think a football game is the equivalent to a 3 month stint in a Siberian jail with some folk in here
That made me chuckle.
It's a rare thing for anyone to accept that the reason for their exit is they met a better team. In Derry's case, one with more scoring power. In Dublin's case, one with just the right amount of physicality and legs to see off an ageing side.
Quote from: statto on March 20, 2025, 11:31:22 AMQuote from: Estimator on March 20, 2025, 10:53:42 AMQuote from: statto on March 20, 2025, 10:13:31 AMQuote from: JoG2 on March 20, 2025, 09:43:24 AMQuote from: statto on March 20, 2025, 09:02:27 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on March 20, 2025, 12:57:03 AMDerry to line out a near full reserve team, and just focus on Donegal, atrocious injury list at the minute.
The injury list is overstated due to the lack of depth in the squad those highlighted below are lads who have played significant minutes over the last number of years and would get minutes if Derry were full out.
Odhran Lynch, Diarmuid Baker, Eoin McEvoy, Martin Bradley, Conor Doherty, Padraig McGrogan, Patrick McGurk, Conor Glass, Anton Tohill, Ethan Doherty, Niall Toner, Dan Higgins, Niall Loughlin, Shane McGuigan, Paul Cassidy.
Bradley has had a decent campaign and would expect he will figure against Donegal and McGurk and Higgins have shown potential. If talk is right they have lost Lynch(who hasn't played the majority of the league as was deemed second choice), McCluskey, Rogers, McFaul and McKinless, Murray and Gilmore( don't think he plays if everyone fit).
Injury list overstated and then you list pretty much half the starting team
Lynch hasn't been selected for the majority of games, which would indicate Tally would have concerns about him.
Rogers and Murray have been available for alot of the league. McFaul, McKinless and McCluskey are losses obviously.
In league football most sides in Division 1 would have 4/5 lads that are getting their chances alongside more established players week on week. Derry would have been the exception to this last year when playing strongest team week on week, which was two fold as never developed any depth to the panel and also didn't give rest to the like of the Glen players who needed a rest.
Lynch started the Tyrone, Donegal and Mayo games, and would definitely be starting against Armagh if fit.
McNicholl started the Dublin, Kerry and Galway games. So it's a 50/50 split before the final game.
I'd say Tallys concerns around Lynch were more to do with mobility for the 12v11, but that rule has gone now and Lynch was 1st choice again.
Also the likes of McGrogan and Laughlin are just off the back of long term injuries. They are no where near full fitness and have yet to play an entire 70mins yet.
Fair enough points, given the number of goals conceded and the change in rule Lynch would probably be first choice.
You are right that our injuries are overstated due to lack of depth but they are also top level players. Lynch, McFaul, Rogers, McCloskey, Murray, Mckinless would start on any team in the country. The drop off in quality without those lads is vast.
Quote from: JoG2 on March 20, 2025, 05:58:45 PMQuote from: Aaron Boone on March 20, 2025, 05:45:43 PMDublin & Derry went to extra-time in last year's final. It was a tough game & an emotional day. Both exited the championship tamely.
That had diddly to do with either Dublin or Derry's championships... You'd think a football game is the equivalent to a 3 month stint in a Siberian jail with some folk in here
Not sure Derry winning the league did them any favours.. hype was through the roof and was all talk then of Harte and winning the Sam Maguire Cup.. meltdown after. At time was people couldn't have even told you who won league the previous year... Mayo : )
Quote from: Mario on March 20, 2025, 07:13:58 PMQuote from: statto on March 20, 2025, 11:31:22 AMQuote from: Estimator on March 20, 2025, 10:53:42 AMQuote from: statto on March 20, 2025, 10:13:31 AMQuote from: JoG2 on March 20, 2025, 09:43:24 AMQuote from: statto on March 20, 2025, 09:02:27 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on March 20, 2025, 12:57:03 AMDerry to line out a near full reserve team, and just focus on Donegal, atrocious injury list at the minute.
The injury list is overstated due to the lack of depth in the squad those highlighted below are lads who have played significant minutes over the last number of years and would get minutes if Derry were full out.
Odhran Lynch, Diarmuid Baker, Eoin McEvoy, Martin Bradley, Conor Doherty, Padraig McGrogan, Patrick McGurk, Conor Glass, Anton Tohill, Ethan Doherty, Niall Toner, Dan Higgins, Niall Loughlin, Shane McGuigan, Paul Cassidy.
Bradley has had a decent campaign and would expect he will figure against Donegal and McGurk and Higgins have shown potential. If talk is right they have lost Lynch(who hasn't played the majority of the league as was deemed second choice), McCluskey, Rogers, McFaul and McKinless, Murray and Gilmore( don't think he plays if everyone fit).
Injury list overstated and then you list pretty much half the starting team
Lynch hasn't been selected for the majority of games, which would indicate Tally would have concerns about him.
Rogers and Murray have been available for alot of the league. McFaul, McKinless and McCluskey are losses obviously.
In league football most sides in Division 1 would have 4/5 lads that are getting their chances alongside more established players week on week. Derry would have been the exception to this last year when playing strongest team week on week, which was two fold as never developed any depth to the panel and also didn't give rest to the like of the Glen players who needed a rest.
Lynch started the Tyrone, Donegal and Mayo games, and would definitely be starting against Armagh if fit.
McNicholl started the Dublin, Kerry and Galway games. So it's a 50/50 split before the final game.
I'd say Tallys concerns around Lynch were more to do with mobility for the 12v11, but that rule has gone now and Lynch was 1st choice again.
Also the likes of McGrogan and Laughlin are just off the back of long term injuries. They are no where near full fitness and have yet to play an entire 70mins yet.
Fair enough points, given the number of goals conceded and the change in rule Lynch would probably be first choice.
You are right that our injuries are overstated due to lack of depth but they are also top level players. Lynch, McFaul, Rogers, McCloskey, Murray, Mckinless would start on any team in the country. The drop off in quality without those lads is vast.
Lynch wouldn't start for most other division one sides, Murray while he has alot of potential don't know if he starts in any team in the country.
With the new rules there aren't many better keepers than Lynch. He's a great shot stopper, has never been beat in a penalty shootout, is great off the tee. Often derided last year because of what he was asked to do but it wasnt his fault when teammates got turned over out the pitch.
If Murray is fit I can't think of a team he wouldn't start on. Dublin maybe.
Two defenders injured for Galway, McHugh one of them and either McGrath or Fitzgerald .Galway will be all out for a league final,Mr Joyce very disappointed with them after the dubs game.Rob finnerty not too pleased about the public dressing down.lets hope he gives him another chance this week to answer his critics.
Quote from: Mario on March 20, 2025, 08:10:30 PMWith the new rules there aren't many better keepers than Lynch. He's a great shot stopper, has never been beat in a penalty shootout, is great off the tee. Often derided last year because of what he was asked to do but it wasnt his fault when teammates got turned over out the pitch.
If Murray is fit I can't think of a team he wouldn't start on. Dublin maybe.
He's a very good shot stopper for sure, he made some great saves in the penalty shootout with us in the Ulster Final in 23 but he's way too immobile for the new rules. A weak link. Shot stopping is down the list of what is required for a modern keeper.
Quote from: mackers on March 21, 2025, 10:01:45 AMQuote from: Mario on March 20, 2025, 08:10:30 PMWith the new rules there aren't many better keepers than Lynch. He's a great shot stopper, has never been beat in a penalty shootout, is great off the tee. Often derided last year because of what he was asked to do but it wasnt his fault when teammates got turned over out the pitch.
If Murray is fit I can't think of a team he wouldn't start on. Dublin maybe.
He's a very good shot stopper for sure, he made some great saves in the penalty shootout with us in the Ulster Final in 23 but he's way too immobile for the new rules. A weak link. Shot stopping is down the list of what is required for a modern keeper.
With the new rules I'd imagine most goalkeepers will stay in their goals?
Quote from: oakleaflad on March 21, 2025, 10:20:31 AMQuote from: mackers on March 21, 2025, 10:01:45 AMQuote from: Mario on March 20, 2025, 08:10:30 PMWith the new rules there aren't many better keepers than Lynch. He's a great shot stopper, has never been beat in a penalty shootout, is great off the tee. Often derided last year because of what he was asked to do but it wasnt his fault when teammates got turned over out the pitch.
If Murray is fit I can't think of a team he wouldn't start on. Dublin maybe.
He's a very good shot stopper for sure, he made some great saves in the penalty shootout with us in the Ulster Final in 23 but he's way too immobile for the new rules. A weak link. Shot stopping is down the list of what is required for a modern keeper.
With the new rules I'd imagine most goalkeepers will stay in their goals?
Yeah unless you're a Morgan/Rafferty type and are coming up to give others a rest it'd mostly be staying back
Armagh seem fairly depleted again for team announced. Would relegation back to Div2 be the worst thing in the world for them next year, especially with their age profile and sheer # of missing players so far this year?
Imagine if Cake was still playing. Would be hard to tether.
Quote from: 5times5times on March 21, 2025, 10:27:12 AMArmagh seem fairly depleted again for team announced. Would relegation back to Div2 be the worst thing in the world for them next year, especially with their age profile and sheer # of missing players so far this year?
I would expect that they will do enough to stay up given it's a nothing game for Derry.
They will want to stay in Division One, Campbell, Murnin, Forker, Grugan (Grugan and Murnin both suited to new rules) won't go on forever, but they have other players exposure to Division One football such as McCormack, McMullan and more minutes to lads like McQuillan who has been more of an impact player. Armagh will lose players over the next few years but they have built depth to the panel which Geezer deserves credit for which should allow them to be competitive. Rian O'Neill's current absence will be a tough one to replace especially with the new rules as they are made for him.
Usually it's the team with the greater need that wins in this league. Armagh need to beat Derry to have a chance of staying up, so would expect Armagh to be the hungrier. But, it's a free hit for Derry to a degree and they will want to end a bad league on a positive note to bring into the championship. So basically Armagh should be expecting a fully motivated Derry!
Rafferty has to start for Armagh, Blaine Hughes was poor the last day out.
As a Derry fan I'd rather Armagh weren't in Division 2 next year. Hopefully Tyrone get relegated
Quote from: Mario on March 21, 2025, 01:38:57 PMAs a Derry fan I'd rather Armagh weren't in Division 2 next year. Hopefully Tyrone get relegated
Would expect Derry and whoever goes down to bounce back straight away.
Tyrone maybe wouldn't mind going down with the amount of young players coming through.
Nervy enough game potentially for Armagh too. A win by less than 20 points would mean they'd have to rely on other results.
Hard to call for me this one. I don't place much store in the team named anymore. So it will be interesting to see
Derry be only half out. If that. Yous trying to drum up the game or sthing. Armagh win handy enough.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 22, 2025, 12:39:19 AMDerry be only half out. If that. Yous trying to drum up the game or sthing. Armagh win handy enough.
It's not unheard for a relegated team to win their final game, sometimes against a team that needs the win. Pressures off Derry and this game isn't a given.
Quote from: APM on March 22, 2025, 06:52:03 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on March 22, 2025, 12:39:19 AMDerry be only half out. If that. Yous trying to drum up the game or sthing. Armagh win handy enough.
It's not unheard for a relegated team to win their final game, sometimes against a team that needs the win. Pressures off Derry and this game isn't a given.
Agreed I would like to think Armagh would win but don't expect us not to be relying on other results to stay up. Not the first time I remember Derry coming to the Athletic grounds when we needed to win to survive and didn't.
Quote from: statto on March 21, 2025, 11:54:03 AMQuote from: 5times5times on March 21, 2025, 10:27:12 AMArmagh seem fairly depleted again for team announced. Would relegation back to Div2 be the worst thing in the world for them next year, especially with their age profile and sheer # of missing players so far this year?
I would expect that they will do enough to stay up given it's a nothing game for Derry.
They will want to stay in Division One, Campbell, Murnin, Forker, Grugan (Grugan and Murnin both suited to new rules) won't go on forever, but they have other players exposure to Division One football such as McCormack, McMullan and more minutes to lads like McQuillan who has been more of an impact player. Armagh will lose players over the next few years but they have built depth to the panel which Geezer deserves credit for which should allow them to be competitive. Rian O'Neill's current absence will be a tough one to replace especially with the new rules as they are made for him.
Teams who get relegated from Division 1 rarely go on to have good championships. A lot of these Armagh lads have experience of Division 2 and a fair few of the older heads will remember Division 3 and know how much a difference in class there is in the divisions. I'd say they'll be fairly stongly motivated to avoid relegation. I'd be fairly shocked if they ended up lossing to Derry. Could happen but I haven't seen anything in the league so far to suggest Derry will get the result.
Quote from: thebigfullforward on March 21, 2025, 10:24:43 AMQuote from: oakleaflad on March 21, 2025, 10:20:31 AMQuote from: mackers on March 21, 2025, 10:01:45 AMQuote from: Mario on March 20, 2025, 08:10:30 PMWith the new rules there aren't many better keepers than Lynch. He's a great shot stopper, has never been beat in a penalty shootout, is great off the tee. Often derided last year because of what he was asked to do but it wasnt his fault when teammates got turned over out the pitch.
If Murray is fit I can't think of a team he wouldn't start on. Dublin maybe.
He's a very good shot stopper for sure, he made some great saves in the penalty shootout with us in the Ulster Final in 23 but he's way too immobile for the new rules. A weak link. Shot stopping is down the list of what is required for a modern keeper.
With the new rules I'd imagine most goalkeepers will stay in their goals?
Yeah unless you're a Morgan/Rafferty type and are coming up to give others a rest it'd mostly be staying back
If a team is behind late on a Morgan/Rafferty type could be very seriously valuable in terms of gambling and chasing a game compared to a couple of wing-backs who have been haring up and the down the pitch for 55 minutes, especially if the keeper hasn't ventured out all that much prior to the 55 minutes. Would be almost like a fresh fair of legs without making a sub, especially if the keeper is more capable of scoring 2 pointers. I could also see situations where a keeper might have a better chance of not being properly picked up by an oppoition marker. The same would apply in extra-time of a game as well if you named a new keeper in the extra-time starting 15.
Mayo v Donegal - Donegal are shorter odds to win the all ireland than win this game with some bookies. Only one result here. Mayo by 9.
Galway v Kerry - Galway seem to be stuttering a bit at the wrong time. Kerry moving well last week with a good kicking game. Kerry by 5.
Tyrone v Dublin - You'd imagine Dublin will have to much here despite Tyrone's previous capabilities of pulling off miracles when relegation is on the line. Dublin by 5.
Armagh v Derry - Armagh should win this with a bit to spare. Surprised if Derry even put out their strongest lineup. Armagh by 7.
Team line ups for all games should be 2 days in advance. Still don't know the line ups of some teams for tomorrow.
Mad that Tyrone could end up on 7 points and be relegated.
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 22, 2025, 06:04:55 PMMad that Tyrone could end up on 7 points and be relegated.
Yeah funny old year, all the teams bar Derry taking points off each other and even Derry were very unlucky in a good few games. Most competitive division 1 in a long time I think.
Still a chance Kerry be relegated if they lose to Galway and Tyrone beat Dublin. Would be first time Kerry arent Divison 1 since 2002 is that right?
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 22, 2025, 06:56:33 PMStill a chance Kerry be relegated if they lose to Galway and Tyrone beat Dublin. Would be first time Kerry arent Divison 1 since 2002 is that right?
And Armagh beat Derry
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 22, 2025, 06:56:33 PMStill a chance Kerry be relegated if they lose to Galway and Tyrone beat Dublin. Would be first time Kerry arent Divison 1 since 2002 is that right?
Thats not even hugely unlikely to happen either.
Most likely Mayo and Armagh win, Galway and Dublin games could go either way, I think imagine Tyrone might just have that extra bit of hunger against the Dubs but hard to call. Can't call the Galway Kerry game at all.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 22, 2025, 07:13:08 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on March 22, 2025, 06:56:33 PMStill a chance Kerry be relegated if they lose to Galway and Tyrone beat Dublin. Would be first time Kerry arent Divison 1 since 2002 is that right?
Thats not even hugely unlikely to happen either.
Most likely Mayo and Armagh win, Galway and Dublin games could go either way, I think imagine Tyrone might just have that extra bit of hunger against the Dubs but hard to call. Can't call the Galway Kerry game at all.
Depends how badly teams want to be in the league final. Not too keen I would think, training camp weekend be of more use.
Is it worth putting money on Donegal at 3/1.
Not the worst lineup they have out.
We can discuss permutations until 3.45pm tomorrow, but one of the two teams on 5 points will stay on 5.
They are down there for a reason and tradition/stats says either Armagh or Tyrone will lose again tomorrow.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on March 22, 2025, 09:03:33 PMWe can discuss permutations until 3.45pm tomorrow, but one of the two teams on 5 points will stay on 5.
They are down there for a reason and tradition/stats says either Armagh or Tyrone will lose again tomorrow.
Paddypower have both Kerry and Armagh at 7/2 to get relegated.
Tyrone are at 4/11 and Mayo at 66/1
To Reach the final
Galway 1/3
Dublin 8/15
Mayo 6/4
Donegal 3/1
Kerry 5/1
Tyrone v Dublin live on TG4 TV other games can be watched here.
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 22, 2025, 11:23:16 PMTyrone v Dublin live on TG4 TV other games can be watched here.
Could be a day for quadruple screening 😅
A TNT like goals show that they do for the champions League would be ideal here.
GAA are never creative.
Fair play to TG4 though
Quote from: Aaron Boone on March 22, 2025, 09:03:33 PMWe can discuss permutations until 3.45pm tomorrow, but one of the two teams on 5 points will stay on 5.
They are down there for a reason and tradition/stats says either Armagh or Tyrone will lose again tomorrow.
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What tradition? Tyrone and Armagh are recent all Ireland winners for a reason. stats will tell you that relegation has zero effect come championship time as both Dublin and Armagh have proved recently.
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 22, 2025, 06:56:33 PMStill a chance Kerry be relegated if they lose to Galway and Tyrone beat Dublin. Would be first time Kerry arent Divison 1 since 2002 is that right?
Kerry have 1 all Ireland title in the last 10 years. Dublin were relegated not long after winning 6 in a row. I can't understand why some people would see it as a massive surprise.
Quote from: Easttyrone23 on March 23, 2025, 04:52:09 AMQuote from: Aaron Boone on March 22, 2025, 09:03:33 PMWe can discuss permutations until 3.45pm tomorrow, but one of the two teams on 5 points will stay on 5.
They are down there for a reason and tradition/stats says either Armagh or Tyrone will lose again tomorrow.
What tradition? Tyrone and Armagh are recent all Ireland winners for a reason. stats will tell you that relegation has zero effect come championship time as both Dublin and Armagh have proved recently.
What Armagh and Dublin (and Donegal and Derry) proved is that you can have a good championship from Div 2. That's different from having a good championship the year you get relegated
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 22, 2025, 08:13:45 PMIs it worth putting money on Donegal at 3/1.
Not the worst lineup they have out.
Keep money in pocket or use it on another match. Mogan Murphy McGee McBrearty Gallen, Brennan and Eoin McHugh all missing for Donegal probably a few more by throw in
So technically the only team with their destiny (whether they are relegated or make the final) in their own hands are Armagh and even that would take a 20 point win or Tyrone if they lose. All counties are waiting on at least one other result. What an exciting end to the league.
Quote from: David McKeown on March 23, 2025, 12:06:02 PMSo technically the only team with their destiny (whether they are relegated or make the final) in their own hands are Armagh and even that would take a 20 point win or Tyrone if they lose. All counties are waiting on at least one other result. What an exciting end to the league.
Armagh should go for it. Then even if a freak combination of results regulates us we will still have finished the league on a high.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 23, 2025, 12:20:34 PMQuote from: David McKeown on March 23, 2025, 12:06:02 PMSo technically the only team with their destiny (whether they are relegated or make the final) in their own hands are Armagh and even that would take a 20 point win or Tyrone if they lose. All counties are waiting on at least one other result. What an exciting end to the league.
Armagh should go for it. Then even if a freak combination of results regulates us we will still have finished the league on a high.
Didn't a freak result relegate Armagh 2 years ago?
Quote from: seafoid on March 23, 2025, 03:02:33 PMQuote from: armaghniac on March 23, 2025, 12:20:34 PMQuote from: David McKeown on March 23, 2025, 12:06:02 PMSo technically the only team with their destiny (whether they are relegated or make the final) in their own hands are Armagh and even that would take a 20 point win or Tyrone if they lose. All counties are waiting on at least one other result. What an exciting end to the league.
Armagh should go for it. Then even if a freak combination of results regulates us we will still have finished the league on a high.
Didn't a freak result relegate Armagh 2 years ago?
Mayo were through to a league final so rested lads against Monaghan I think.
Armagh decimated by bug in camp. Derry almost full strength
Huge wind blowing directly down the field here in omagh. Smallest dub crowd I've seen up here in omagh.
Quote from: 5times5times on March 23, 2025, 03:37:05 PMArmagh decimated by bug in camp. Derry almost full strength
Full strength 🙈
Foot block
TG4 tv coverage is shite!!
Derry are very poor this could be a big score... scared to put a tackle in at all!
Quote from: Sandy Hill on March 23, 2025, 04:05:39 PMTG4 tv coverage is shite!!
Absolutely. This isn't soccer where you can cut away when nothing is happening.
Quote from: screenexile on March 23, 2025, 04:13:31 PMDerry are very poor this could be a big score... scared to put a tackle in at all!
Armagh far better defensively. We are struggling to even get in a scoring position. Meanwhile they are running right through us every time
Mcguigan sent off. Could be a big score now. Otherwise we were doing ok
Quote from: Mario on March 23, 2025, 04:16:47 PMQuote from: screenexile on March 23, 2025, 04:13:31 PMDerry are very poor this could be a big score... scared to put a tackle in at all!
Armagh far better defensively. We are struggling to even get in a scoring position. Meanwhile they are running right through us every time
The only reason we're still in it is because we've won a decent amount of ball in midfield. We've looked laboured up front and kicked a tonne of wides.
Without the ball we've been woeful Armagh have almost walked it in 4/5 times without a hand on them were almost afraid to commit to a tackle.
Armagh have been fairly poor but if they go up another gear they'll dispose of Derry really this second half. What was McGuigan at supposedly a leader on the team and gets a second yellow card for that? Jesus wept!
Quote from: screenexile on March 23, 2025, 04:26:57 PMQuote from: Mario on March 23, 2025, 04:16:47 PMQuote from: screenexile on March 23, 2025, 04:13:31 PMDerry are very poor this could be a big score... scared to put a tackle in at all!
Armagh far better defensively. We are struggling to even get in a scoring position. Meanwhile they are running right through us every time
The only reason we're still in it is because we've won a decent amount of ball in midfield. We've looked laboured up front and kicked a tonne of wides.
Without the ball we've been woeful Armagh have almost walked it in 4/5 times without a hand on them were almost afraid to commit to a tackle.
Armagh have been fairly poor but if they go up another gear they'll dispose of Derry really this second half. What was McGuigan at supposedly a leader on the team and gets a second yellow card for that? Jesus wept!
Was it him hit Murnin after the ball? Silly if it was.
Canavan and McCurry are absolutely torching the Dublin full back line here. Very strong wind so we'll see if 10 points are enough but a load of the dubs very hesitant to shoot at all.
Looked like Derry & Tyrone played with fairly strong breezes there? I can see Armagh going down here because of other results.
We're half the team without Crealey & Grinley in MF.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 23, 2025, 04:28:09 PMQuote from: screenexile on March 23, 2025, 04:26:57 PMQuote from: Mario on March 23, 2025, 04:16:47 PMQuote from: screenexile on March 23, 2025, 04:13:31 PMDerry are very poor this could be a big score... scared to put a tackle in at all!
Armagh far better defensively. We are struggling to even get in a scoring position. Meanwhile they are running right through us every time
The only reason we're still in it is because we've won a decent amount of ball in midfield. We've looked laboured up front and kicked a tonne of wides.
Without the ball we've been woeful Armagh have almost walked it in 4/5 times without a hand on them were almost afraid to commit to a tackle.
Armagh have been fairly poor but if they go up another gear they'll dispose of Derry really this second half. What was McGuigan at supposedly a leader on the team and gets a second yellow card for that? Jesus wept!
Was it him hit Murnin after the ball? Silly if it was.
Yeah it was just a shoulder after the ball was gone nothing major but ridiculously stupid when already on a yellow.
Gough happy enough to send men off when he has the slightest opportunity!
Galway never win a game when you want them to.
Half time
Galway 1-10 Kerry 2-11
Mayo 1-7 Donegal 0-6
Armagh 0-12 Derry 0-8
Tyrone 1-14 Dublin 1-4
Quote from: clarshack on March 23, 2025, 04:31:49 PMGalway never win a game when you want them to.
Walsh and McHugh injured. Maher off injured in the first half. They started subbing players off then not wanting to pick up more injuries. Kerry will definitely win that one.
So Armagh relegated along with Derry and Kerry and Mayo final next week. Might as well hand the title to kerry with mayo playing in a final. ::)
Tyrone well safe ,could hammer the dubs by more who are really poor.
Quote from: LarryStiles on March 23, 2025, 04:40:53 PMSo Armagh relegated along with Derry and Kerry and Mayo final next week. Might as well hand the title to kerry with mayo playing in a final. ::)
Tyrone well safe ,could hammer the dubs by more who are really poor.
Strong wind
What the f**k was that??!!
Christ almighty four goals in like 7 mins. Third one very dodgy though
I know we're not in a good place but that's the worst 8 minutes of football all I think I've ever seen!
Would Derry have stayed up in division 2 on current form?
RG looking like a better manager game by game.
Donegal should have concentrated on going for the league final as Derry are poor
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 23, 2025, 04:54:52 PMWould Derry have stayed up in division 2 on current form?
RG looking like a better manager game by game.
They won the league with Mickey Harte
Mayo currently sitting top the most likely to join Derry the way the day is panning out
Players coming on to the pitch and putting their gum shields into their socks should have a 50 meter free against them ;)
That's two I've seen
Quote from: bennydorano on March 23, 2025, 05:04:20 PMMayo currently sitting top the most likely to join Derry the way the day is panning out
Mayo are now in the relegation spot.
It's tight!
Quote from: bennydorano on March 23, 2025, 05:04:20 PMMayo currently sitting top the most likely to join Derry the way the day is panning out
Donegal are winning now. Mayo could be relegated. 7 points.
Quote from: Mario on March 23, 2025, 04:58:55 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 23, 2025, 04:54:52 PMWould Derry have stayed up in division 2 on current form?
RG looking like a better manager game by game.
They won the league with Mickey Harte
Worst thing they ever did.. the hysteria and hype. Mayo won it previous year! Donegal avoiding the final this year..
Mayo back in front and in the league final!😮
O'Baoill misses penalty for Donegal
Who all is to come back in to the Dublin team. Really poor today.
Are the stewards eyes painted on in Omagh
Quote from: J70 on March 23, 2025, 05:17:15 PMO'Baoill misses penalty for Donegal
Anyone's Granny would have hit it harder.
Quote from: Truthsayer on March 23, 2025, 05:13:53 PMQuote from: Mario on March 23, 2025, 04:58:55 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 23, 2025, 04:54:52 PMWould Derry have stayed up in division 2 on current form?
RG looking like a better manager game by game.
They won the league with Mickey Harte
Worst thing they ever did.. the hysteria and hype. Mayo won it previous year! Donegal avoiding the final this year..
Not sure this really happened within the county. Players didn't exactly go mad celebrating at the time either.
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Rough one for Tyrone to get relegated on 7 points but the damage was done in the games against Mayo, Kerry and Galway when they were in strong positions in the closing stages and ended up with 1 point from the 3 games. Still, the most important thing from this league was to see progress after 2 years as a rudderless ship. There have been positive signs in that regard but we'll get a better idea in the weeks and months ahead.
Quote from: oakleaflad on March 23, 2025, 05:35:05 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on March 23, 2025, 05:13:53 PMQuote from: Mario on March 23, 2025, 04:58:55 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 23, 2025, 04:54:52 PMWould Derry have stayed up in division 2 on current form?
RG looking like a better manager game by game.
They won the league with Mickey Harte
Worst thing they ever did.. the hysteria and hype. Mayo won it previous year! Donegal avoiding the final this year..
Not sure this really happened within the county. Players didn't exactly go mad celebrating at the time either.
;D.. A man who's county is about to be relegated on talking about Derry is not to take seriously
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on March 23, 2025, 05:35:42 PMRough one for Tyrone to get relegated on 7 points but the damage was done in the games against Mayo, Kerry and Galway when they were in strong positions in the closing stages and ended up with 1 point from the 3 games. Still, the most important thing from this league was to see progress after 2 years as a rudderless ship. There have been positive signs in that regard but we'll get a better idea in the weeks and months ahead.
Tyrone were very impressive against Dublin.
Tyrone could be happy enough with relegation can easily turn it into a positive with 7 points.
Opportunity to blood some young players.
Can see Derry winning a Tailteann Cup in the next 3 years.
The big takeaway from the league - f**k knows who's going to win Sam
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 23, 2025, 05:39:45 PMCan see Derry winning a Tailteann Cup in the next 3 years.
More chance of you not talking out your hole
Quote from: bennydorano on March 23, 2025, 05:40:52 PMThe big takeaway from the league - f**k knows who's going to win Sam
1 of Armagh, Galway, Kerry, Donegal or Tyrone for me.
That penalty save by Mayo was difference between relegated or final.
Quote from: JoG2 on March 23, 2025, 05:42:27 PMQuote from: bennydorano on March 23, 2025, 05:40:52 PMThe big takeaway from the league - f**k knows who's going to win Sam
1 of Armagh, Galway, Kerry, Donegal or Tyrone for me.
Quote from: JoG2 on March 23, 2025, 05:41:29 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 23, 2025, 05:39:45 PMCan see Derry winning a Tailteann Cup in the next 3 years.
More chance of you not talking out your hole
Bit harsh man. I wouldn't be too down on yourself. Armagh's Reserve team are a good side.
Quote from: Truthsayer on March 23, 2025, 05:13:53 PMQuote from: Mario on March 23, 2025, 04:58:55 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 23, 2025, 04:54:52 PMWould Derry have stayed up in division 2 on current form?
RG looking like a better manager game by game.
They won the league with Mickey Harte
Worst thing they ever did.. the hysteria and hype. Mayo won it previous year! Donegal avoiding the final this year..
They didn't even celebrate it. Donegal avoided it because they have a championship game a week later.
Quote from: JoG2 on March 23, 2025, 05:42:27 PMQuote from: bennydorano on March 23, 2025, 05:40:52 PMThe big takeaway from the league - f**k knows who's going to win Sam
1 of Armagh, Galway, Kerry, Donegal or Tyrone for me.
Not sure if I'd have Galway 2nd that was a damaging defeat today for them.
They'd have wanted a league final.
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That table is slightly wrong I think. Tyrone and Armagh ended on the same scoring difference. Subject obviously to the previous discussion as to what the result was between them.
Quote from: LarryStiles on March 23, 2025, 04:40:53 PMSo Armagh relegated along with Derry and Kerry and Mayo final next week. Might as well hand the title to kerry with mayo playing in a final. ::)
Tyrone well safe ,could hammer the dubs by more who are really poor.
This aged well.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 23, 2025, 05:47:12 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 23, 2025, 05:42:27 PMQuote from: bennydorano on March 23, 2025, 05:40:52 PMThe big takeaway from the league - f**k knows who's going to win Sam
1 of Armagh, Galway, Kerry, Donegal or Tyrone for me.
Quote from: JoG2 on March 23, 2025, 05:41:29 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 23, 2025, 05:39:45 PMCan see Derry winning a Tailteann Cup in the next 3 years.
More chance of you not talking out your hole
Bit harsh man. I wouldn't be too down on yourself. Armagh's Reserve team are a good side.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 23, 2025, 05:47:57 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 23, 2025, 05:42:27 PMQuote from: bennydorano on March 23, 2025, 05:40:52 PMThe big takeaway from the league - f**k knows who's going to win Sam
1 of Armagh, Galway, Kerry, Donegal or Tyrone for me.
Not sure if I'd have Galway 2nd that was a damaging defeat today for them.
They'd have wanted a league final.
No particular order there. Tyrone the dark horse this year imo, obviously hope I'm wrong :-X
Spare a thought for Pádraig Joyce tonight , he really wanted a league title and went at it full throttle with admirable honesty.
Good league overall for Armagh, never once fielded anywhere close to the AIF starting 15. Get those boys back in and we mightn't be a million miles away - even without Rian O'Neill. Keeping boys fit is half the battle in this condensed system we've straight-jacketed ourselves into.
Big find of the league has to be McCormack in defence. Ross McQuillan our best overall imo.
2 points between 1st and 7th...
One for the wtf thread!
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That table is slightly wrong I think. Tyrone and Armagh ended on the same scoring difference. Subject obviously to the previous discussion as to what the result was between them.
What happened at the end of the tyrone game. Dublin got a free missed it then got to retake it and scored 2 points. Did that 2 points matter?
Quote from: Rossfan on March 23, 2025, 06:28:33 PM2 points between 1st and 7th...
One for the wtf thread!
Indeed. Had Armagh held on against Mayo (and nothing else changed) Armagh would be in the final. Crazy how close it was.
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 23, 2025, 06:39:37 PMQuote from: David McKeown on March 23, 2025, 05:48:44 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on March 23, 2025, 05:35:33 PM(https://i.ibb.co/DHdgFHdX/Screenshot-20250323-173212-2.png) (https://ibb.co/39KYb9KX)
That table is slightly wrong I think. Tyrone and Armagh ended on the same scoring difference. Subject obviously to the previous discussion as to what the result was between them.
What happened at the end of the tyrone game. Dublin got a free missed it then got to retake it and scored 2 points. Did that 2 points matter?
No Tyrone are relegated on head to head and not score difference. It would have made a difference had Galway and Kerry drawn.
Quote from: bennydorano on March 23, 2025, 06:17:22 PMGood league overall for Armagh, never once fielded anywhere close to the AIF starting 15. Get those boys back in and we mightn't be a million miles away - even without Rian O'Neill. Keeping boys fit is half the battle in this condensed system we've straight-jacketed ourselves into.
Big find of the league has to be McCormack in defence. Ross McQuillan our best overall imo.
Yeah those 2 and Murnin had great leagues.
Mayo the only team apart from relegated Derry who have a negative score difference.........
............ and they top the league
Mad the flip in Derrys fortunes since Gallagher went. If I was a Derry fan, I'd take him back in a heartbeat.
Meh, think they were just flash in the pan regardless of who was over them. Sure Harte won the league with them before it went to shit.
QuoteSpare a thought for Pádraig Joyce tonight , he really wanted a league title and went at it full throttle with admirable honesty.
Let's bate them in Connacht first before any digs are thrown.
It is interesting how the head-to-head rule prevails throughout a 3 month league. Armagh beat Tyrone 50 days ago in a home match in Athletic Grounds.
Because of Armagh's big score difference today, I think Tyrone are down by any measurement, but the head-to-head rule should be discussed again.
Quote from: Rossfan on March 23, 2025, 06:28:33 PM2 points between 1st and 7th...
One for the wtf thread!
With 7 minutes to play Mayo was 7th in the table on course for relegation. By full time Mayo with the help of a penalty save and the crossbar ended up topping the table. HQ are fools for not making more of this competition.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on March 23, 2025, 10:40:05 PMIt is interesting how the head-to-head rule prevails throughout a 3 month league. Armagh beat Tyrone 50 days ago in a home match in Athletic Grounds.
Because of Armagh's big score difference today, I think Tyrone are down by any measurement, but the head-to-head rule should be discussed again.
I think they have it right.
If it was just score difference, Armagh buried a team who were down and out and had nothing to play for today and greatly increased their score difference. Tyrone played that team when they still had incentive to win.
That'd be unfair.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on March 23, 2025, 10:40:40 PMQuote from: Rossfan on March 23, 2025, 06:28:33 PM2 points between 1st and 7th...
One for the wtf thread!
With 7 minutes to play Mayo was 7th in the table on course for relegation. By full time Mayo with the help of a penalty save and the crossbar ended up topping the table. HQ are fools for not making more of this competition.
I agree. League is a great competition but poorly marketed by the GAA.
TG4 promotions of the games today was top class. Excellent production.
Quote from: APM on March 23, 2025, 06:56:15 PMMayo the only team apart from relegated Derry who have a negative score difference.........
............ and they top the league
Unless you count Dublin's negative score difference, of course.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on March 23, 2025, 10:40:05 PMIt is interesting how the head-to-head rule prevails throughout a 3 month league. Armagh beat Tyrone 50 days ago in a home match in Athletic Grounds.
Because of Armagh's big score difference today, I think Tyrone are down by any measurement, but the head-to-head rule should be discussed again.
But score difference is not ideal either. It would also be affected why when the game was and whether it was at home.
Whelan bemoaning lack of intensity in today's division 1 games and Lee Keegan calling the league a tick box exercise for managers.
In fairness they make some good points about an earlier start, but was it just me or is this not typical RTE coverage where they completely fail to see the positive side.
Quote from: APM on March 23, 2025, 11:00:57 PMWhelan bemoaning lack of intensity in today's division 1 games and Lee Keegan calling the league a tick box exercise for managers.
In fairness they make some good points about an earlier start, but was it just me or is this not typical RTE coverage where they completely fail to see the positive side.
Thought the games today were brilliant. Very fast paced
Quote from: Aaron Boone on March 23, 2025, 10:40:05 PMIt is interesting how the head-to-head rule prevails throughout a 3 month league. Armagh beat Tyrone 50 days ago in a home match in Athletic Grounds.
Because of Armagh's big score difference today, I think Tyrone are down by any measurement, but the head-to-head rule should be discussed again.
Tyrone would have been down on points scored regardless (provided that last score discussed above was in fact not counted). The table on the Sunday game was slightly wrong.
Quote from: David McKeown on March 23, 2025, 11:32:37 PMQuote from: Aaron Boone on March 23, 2025, 10:40:05 PMIt is interesting how the head-to-head rule prevails throughout a 3 month league. Armagh beat Tyrone 50 days ago in a home match in Athletic Grounds.
Because of Armagh's big score difference today, I think Tyrone are down by any measurement, but the head-to-head rule should be discussed again.
Tyrone would have been down on points scored regardless (provided that last score discussed above was in fact not counted). The table on the Sunday game was slightly wrong.
Isn't it wild that if score difference was used then that score given or not being given would be sore important? Never would have thought that at the time.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on March 23, 2025, 10:40:05 PMIt is interesting how the head-to-head rule prevails throughout a 3 month league. Armagh beat Tyrone 50 days ago in a home match in Athletic Grounds.
Because of Armagh's big score difference today, I think Tyrone are down by any measurement, but the head-to-head rule should be discussed again.
The way division one panned out it was the fairest way to do things.Donegal haven't been overly bothered last three rounds, Derry yesterday were a disgrace, Galway going through motions also last few rounds. While Tyrone improved last few rounds of league they were helped by the lineups Donegal and Dublin put out and their attitudes to those games. They were a distant second in a head to head battle with Armagh and while unfortunate to go down on 7 points can have no real complaints.
Derry were not as bad as the scorelne suggests. They played a large part of the match with only 14 men.
I think Derry will have their shit together for the Group stages, USFC maybe too soon for them.
Quote from: Orior on March 24, 2025, 09:01:36 AMDerry were not as bad as the scorelne suggests. They played a large part of the match with only 14 men.
A sending off under these rules is a killer.
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Quote from: Orior on March 24, 2025, 09:01:36 AMDerry were not as bad as the scorelne suggests. They played a large part of the match with only 14 men.
A sending off under these rules is a killer. Discipline the big winner from the FRC changes.
Head to head to break ties is not fair because home advantage is so important. The fairest way to break ties is to play a Tie Break game. No one wants that extra game, plus it couldn't be used in 3 way ties.
Because the league sees half the teams with an extra home game, I'd suggest the first tie break should be that if one team that had an extra home game then they should be relegated. The next tie break could be to revert back to the previous year's standings.
For multiple team ties, what is more fair than overall point difference would be point difference only in games involving the tied teams.
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Quote from: Orior on March 24, 2025, 09:01:36 AMDerry were not as bad as the scorelne suggests. They played a large part of the match with only 14 men.
A sending off under these rules is a killer. Discipline the big winner from the FRC changes.
Too much is determined by referee judgement calls. Isn't this the biggest flaw with all the rule changes? It really puts extra pressure on every referee.
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Very harsh decision on McGuigan. Was barely even a shoulder. I think we were probably getting beat anyway given how easy Armagh ran through the middle of us before the red card but you never know how the game would have panned out .
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Very harsh decision on McGuigan. Was barely even a shoulder. I think we were probably getting beat anyway given how easy Armagh ran through the middle of us before the red card but you never know how the game would have panned out .
it was a yellow and his second
stupid from mc guigan
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Very harsh decision on McGuigan. Was barely even a shoulder. I think we were probably getting beat anyway given how easy Armagh ran through the middle of us before the red card but you never know how the game would have panned out .
Careful now....we were told we were moaning like a crowd of women after the Kerry match ;D
Derry need to nail down whos playing No.6 , It's too easy coming through the middle. Plus their shadowing instead of tackling worried about giving easy 2pter frees doesn't work, along with the ridiculous zonal marking Tally employs.
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Very harsh decision on McGuigan. Was barely even a shoulder. I think we were probably getting beat anyway given how easy Armagh ran through the middle of us before the red card but you never know how the game would have panned out .
I thought that was a clear black card offence myself. I thought the first one was strange. Gough didn't even seem interested in giving the foul initially.
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Very harsh decision on McGuigan. Was barely even a shoulder. I think we were probably getting beat anyway given how easy Armagh ran through the middle of us before the red card but you never know how the game would have panned out .
I thought that was a clear black card offence myself. I thought the first one was strange. Gough didn't even seem interested in giving the foul initially.
I'd agree with that.. initially looked like he was playing on. The home crowd certainly played a part in a couple of decisions.
He also pinned the wrong people in the mini melee with both McGrogan and McCabe lucky to escape without punishment.
Quote from: mackers on March 24, 2025, 12:27:56 PMHe also pinned the wrong people in the mini melee with both McGrogan and McCabe lucky to escape without punishment.
Anyone entering a melee can be black carded, no one black carded in that ?
Quote from: larryin89 on March 23, 2025, 05:52:56 PMSpare a thought for Pádraig Joyce tonight , he really wanted a league title and went at it full throttle with admirable honesty.
Mayo will beat Galway on Connacht Final. Galway didn't try much against the dubs or kerry yesterday.
Quote from: mackers on March 24, 2025, 12:27:56 PMHe also pinned the wrong people in the mini melee with both McGrogan and McCabe lucky to escape without punishment.
tbf understand turbitt as he ran in
but definitely mc cabe should have gone
Play the league final in Limerick. Be lucky to get 10k on Croke Park. Mayo playing championship the following Sunday. With mayo resting lads will be easy game for kerry.⁶
Quote from: EoinW on March 24, 2025, 10:31:01 AMHead to head to break ties is not fair because home advantage is so important. The fairest way to break ties is to play a Tie Break game. No one wants that extra game, plus it couldn't be used in 3 way ties.
Because the league sees half the teams with an extra home game, I'd suggest the first tie break should be that if one team that had an extra home game then they should be relegated. The next tie break could be to revert back to the previous year's standings.
For multiple team ties, what is more fair than overall point difference would be point difference only in games involving the tied teams.
Kerry were much better away from home so having the extra game an away game suited them, certainly not a disadvantage.
Does home advantage make much difference in the league anyway?
Is there ever going to be any consideration for the league finals? The division 1 final this year in particular looks to be something that teams are almost actively avoiding so you have to ask what's the point.
Scheduling a championship match for a week after the league final makes a farce of it. Surely it's time to do away with league finals?
Sunday March 30
Division One Final
Kerry v Mayo, Croke Park, 4pm, TG4
And on before it
Division Three Final
Kildare v Offaly, Croke Park, 1.45pm, TG4
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 24, 2025, 02:36:37 PMIs there ever going to be any consideration for the league finals? The division 1 final this year in particular looks to be something that teams are almost actively avoiding so you have to ask what's the point.
Scheduling a championship match for a week after the league final makes a farce of it. Surely it's time to do away with league finals?
I always thought league finals were a bit of a farce tbh.
The concept of a league is the team with the most points wins. With all the "condensed season" complaints, do away with the league final to give teams a break before championship and re-instate the pre-season cup competitions.
HQ tried to but the Counties wanted them kept.
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Very harsh decision on McGuigan. Was barely even a shoulder. I think we were probably getting beat anyway given how easy Armagh ran through the middle of us before the red card but you never know how the game would have panned out .
It doesn't really matter what it was, the ball was long away before it occurred, it was not any sort of attempt at legitimate play.
Only query i have on Yesterday foreby not playing a full 2nd string, was the 3rd Goal. It was obvious from where I was at, that the contact on the keeper has forced him bck a step. I thought it should been a free out. Ref didn't even check with the umpires
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 24, 2025, 11:18:20 AMDerry need to nail down whos playing No.6 , It's too easy coming through the middle. Plus their shadowing instead of tackling worried about giving easy 2pter frees doesn't work, along with the ridiculous zonal marking Tally employs.
One of the big things I've noticed from watching CLUB football under the new rules is the role of CHB, you could run a bus down most teams centre, the CHB role is going to have to evolve.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 24, 2025, 03:18:08 PMOnly query i have on Yesterday foreby not playing a full 2nd string, was the 3rd Goal. It was obvious from where I was at, that the contact on the keeper has forced him bck a step. I thought it should been a free out. Ref didn't even check with the umpires
Yeah would need to watch that again, if any tackle with keeper in the box it's a free normally, grand if a player arrives into box and punches ball and then contact, but would need to see that again
Quote from: blanketattack on March 24, 2025, 02:19:56 PMQuote from: EoinW on March 24, 2025, 10:31:01 AMHead to head to break ties is not fair because home advantage is so important. The fairest way to break ties is to play a Tie Break game. No one wants that extra game, plus it couldn't be used in 3 way ties.
Because the league sees half the teams with an extra home game, I'd suggest the first tie break should be that if one team that had an extra home game then they should be relegated. The next tie break could be to revert back to the previous year's standings.
For multiple team ties, what is more fair than overall point difference would be point difference only in games involving the tied teams.
Kerry were much better away from home so having the extra game an away game suited them, certainly not a disadvantage.
Does home advantage make much difference in the league anyway?
In all leagues this year home teams had a 63-42 record.
Quote from: LarryStiles on March 24, 2025, 01:41:16 PMPlay the league final in Limerick. Be lucky to get 10k on Croke Park. Mayo playing championship the following Sunday. With mayo resting lads will be easy game for kerry.⁶
I was thinking: play it in Galway. Play the hurling final in Limerick.
Why does everything seem to revolve around Dublin? Is the GAA 32 counties or is it Dublin and 31 other counties?
Did anyone enjoy the league?
The two relegated teams say it doesn't matter we can rebuild next year.
The two finalists get to say it is only the league, good to get a game in Croke Park, we are preparing for championship whatever the result.
And the other 4 get to hang about to play the big boys next year in a bunch of games they may or may not care about depending on how they are going.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 24, 2025, 06:35:06 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on March 24, 2025, 03:18:08 PMOnly query i have on Yesterday foreby not playing a full 2nd string, was the 3rd Goal. It was obvious from where I was at, that the contact on the keeper has forced him bck a step. I thought it should been a free out. Ref didn't even check with the umpires
Yeah would need to watch that again, if any tackle with keeper in the box it's a free normally, grand if a player arrives into box and punches ball and then contact, but would need to see that again
Didn't see it myself but I read that the keeer had already turned back over the line before the Armagh player hit him. Dunno how true that is tho
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Very harsh decision on McGuigan. Was barely even a shoulder. I think we were probably getting beat anyway given how easy Armagh ran through the middle of us before the red card but you never know how the game would have panned out .
Soft enough but sure he had been booked already, silly from him.
Justice anyway for that bite in the Ulster final lol.
Quote from: mackers on March 24, 2025, 12:27:56 PMHe also pinned the wrong people in the mini melee with both McGrogan and McCabe lucky to escape without punishment.
Yeah McCabe looked to be the worst offender in it.
But if Gough employed common sense he'd have told them to wise up, was 20 points in it at that stage.
In the last 11 months or so Donegal and Armagh twice have absolutely destroyed Derry with a blaze of goals. If Derry don't get the finger out Donegal will do the same again in a few weeks. Bound to take its toll psychologically on Derry.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 24, 2025, 08:03:38 PMIn the last 11 months or so Donegal and Armagh twice have absolutely destroyed Derry with a blaze of goals. If Derry don't get the finger out Donegal will do the same again in a few weeks. Bound to take its toll psychologically on Derry.
One would certainly fear for Derry.
Quote from: GTP on March 24, 2025, 07:36:35 PMDid anyone enjoy the league?
The two relegated teams say it doesn't matter we can rebuild next year.
The two finalists get to say it is only the league, good to get a game in Croke Park, we are preparing for championship whatever the result.
And the other 4 get to hang about to play the big boys next year in a bunch of games they may or may not care about depending on how they are going.
If Donegal didn't have a critical championship game one week after a potential league final, then you can bet that the team would be going all out for it. A county like Donegal has won so little that any chance to compete for a national title would be a big deal.
I think it'd ridiculous how "look how they celebrated winning the league" is used as some kind of insult. There are only 3 trophys that an intercounty team can win in any year (sorry Dr McKenna) and the idea that you shouldn't be happy if you win one of them is madness.
It's a preparation for the championship... sin é. Was much more enjoyable than the sh*te we've watched for the last number of years and whets the appetite for the rest of the season. Nice to win it but ultimately the championship is how counties be judged.
Two birds with one stone for Armagh in this league campaign, objective of staying up achieved and played part in relegating Tyrone to Division 2.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 24, 2025, 10:23:38 PMTwo birds with one stone for Armagh in this league campaign, objective of staying up achieved and played part in relegating Tyrone to Division 2.
I can assure Tyrone folk don't give a sh*te bout relegation. Is a bigger picture.
Ps... short memory of support Armagh got from this side of the Blackwater in last year's All Ireland...
Quote from: Truthsayer on March 24, 2025, 10:57:23 PMI can assure Tyrone folk don't give a sh*te bout relegation.
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Niall Morgan brilliant goalie but someday he going to injury somebody with the way he leads with the knee out. Very dangerous.
Quote from: EoinW on March 24, 2025, 07:31:10 PMQuote from: LarryStiles on March 24, 2025, 01:41:16 PMPlay the league final in Limerick. Be lucky to get 10k on Croke Park. Mayo playing championship the following Sunday. With mayo resting lads will be easy game for kerry.⁶
I was thinking: play it in Galway. Play the hurling final in Limerick.
Why does everything seem to revolve around Dublin? Is the GAA 32 counties or is it Dublin and 31 other counties?
Limerick would be more halfway.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 24, 2025, 11:48:36 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on March 24, 2025, 10:57:23 PMI can assure Tyrone folk don't give a sh*te bout relegation.
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:D you wish... you do know last two All Ireland winners were in Div 2? Congrats on 2nd All Ireland! Last two league winners.. Derry & Mayo lol!... as much as you hope otherwise, no-one here gives a fuc. Team is improving with championship near that's priority... I'd be more worried if our best player had walked ; )
Tyrone relegated.
Meh.
Good chance to blood in the youth coming in. Probably going to lose another few lads at the end of this year so the team will be even more green going into next year.
Quote from: LarryStiles on March 25, 2025, 12:26:56 AMQuote from: EoinW on March 24, 2025, 07:31:10 PMQuote from: LarryStiles on March 24, 2025, 01:41:16 PMPlay the league final in Limerick. Be lucky to get 10k on Croke Park. Mayo playing championship the following Sunday. With mayo resting lads will be easy game for kerry.⁶
I was thinking: play it in Galway. Play the hurling final in Limerick.
Why does everything seem to revolve around Dublin? Is the GAA 32 counties or is it Dublin and 31 other counties?
Limerick would be more halfway.
Oddly you've got hurling ones complaining how D3 and D4 footballers get to play in Croke but the hurlers don't.
The hurlings ones clearly haven't been to a soulless, empty Croke park for a half arsed league decider before.
Quote from: Truthsayer on March 24, 2025, 10:57:23 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on March 24, 2025, 10:23:38 PMTwo birds with one stone for Armagh in this league campaign, objective of staying up achieved and played part in relegating Tyrone to Division 2.
I can assure Tyrone folk don't give a sh*te bout relegation. Is a bigger picture.
Ps... short memory of support Armagh got from this side of the Blackwater in last year's All Ireland...
Which part of Tyrone was that - the most northerly part?!
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 25, 2025, 06:59:53 AMTyrone relegated.
Meh.
Good chance to blood in the youth coming in. Probably going to lose another few lads at the end of this year so the team will be even more green going into next year.
The EC guys not available was prob the key impact on the league. Was good to see improvement when they returned. D2 can be a good help developing players. Would have preferred to stay up, but not a huge issue.
Division 2 is absolutely fine if you're staying in it or looking at promotion. It's just making sure you don't go into freefall as 3 a disaster but highly unlikely to happen to Tyrone. Derry are a funny team and while I don't think that will happen to them I wouldn't be shocked if it did either. The wheels have come off there but they should have enough quality that it *shouldn't* be freefall.
With so much underage county and schools success in both Derry and Tyrone the last few years, D2 not a bad spot at all to really blood some fresh faces.
Would expect the pair of them to come back up handily enough.
Quote from: gallsman on March 25, 2025, 10:14:01 AMWith so much underage county and schools success in both Derry and Tyrone the last few years, D2 not a bad spot at all to really blood some fresh faces.
Would expect the pair of them to come back up handily enough.
Unless there are radical improvements in the Likes of Louth, Cork, Meath, Cavan then Tyrone and Derry will be promoted at a canter.
Derry's 1 point in the League made for false reading in my eyes. The Kerry game was farcical and should have been closed out. As should Donegal when leading well with 10 minutes to go. I would imagine Donegal will take them out in Ulster but they can then go and disappear into the background and go about their work quietly in preparation for the group stages where they will hope to come back nearer to full strength.
Tyrone very unfortunate to be relegated on 7 points. Periods of inconsistencies for sure but Tyrone have had worse league campaigns than this and stayed up. The likely Ulster Semi Final match up with Armagh (no disrespect to Cavan/Antrim) should be a good one. Tyrone's forward line looks very dangerous, so many "pocket rocket" style players that are hard to track in these new rules. And the midfield pairing is very strong.
Quote from: Spiderlegs on March 25, 2025, 11:12:03 AMQuote from: gallsman on March 25, 2025, 10:14:01 AMWith so much underage county and schools success in both Derry and Tyrone the last few years, D2 not a bad spot at all to really blood some fresh faces.
Would expect the pair of them to come back up handily enough.
Unless there are radical improvements in the Likes of Louth, Cork, Meath, Cavan then Tyrone and Derry will be promoted at a canter.
Derry's 1 point in the League made for false reading in my eyes. The Kerry game was farcical and should have been closed out. As should Donegal when leading well with 10 minutes to go. I would imagine Donegal will take them out in Ulster but they can then go and disappear into the background and go about their work quietly in preparation for the group stages where they will hope to come back nearer to full strength.
Tyrone very unfortunate to be relegated on 7 points. Periods of inconsistencies for sure but Tyrone have had worse league campaigns than this and stayed up. The likely Ulster Semi Final match up with Armagh (no disrespect to Cavan/Antrim) should be a good one. Tyrone's forward line looks very dangerous, so many "pocket rocket" style players that are hard to track in these new rules. And the midfield pairing is very strong.
That's not happening 🇮🇩
Quote from: JoG2 on March 25, 2025, 11:45:58 AMQuote from: Spiderlegs on March 25, 2025, 11:12:03 AMQuote from: gallsman on March 25, 2025, 10:14:01 AMWith so much underage county and schools success in both Derry and Tyrone the last few years, D2 not a bad spot at all to really blood some fresh faces.
Would expect the pair of them to come back up handily enough.
Unless there are radical improvements in the Likes of Louth, Cork, Meath, Cavan then Tyrone and Derry will be promoted at a canter.
Derry's 1 point in the League made for false reading in my eyes. The Kerry game was farcical and should have been closed out. As should Donegal when leading well with 10 minutes to go. I would imagine Donegal will take them out in Ulster but they can then go and disappear into the background and go about their work quietly in preparation for the group stages where they will hope to come back nearer to full strength.
Tyrone very unfortunate to be relegated on 7 points. Periods of inconsistencies for sure but Tyrone have had worse league campaigns than this and stayed up. The likely Ulster Semi Final match up with Armagh (no disrespect to Cavan/Antrim) should be a good one. Tyrone's forward line looks very dangerous, so many "pocket rocket" style players that are hard to track in these new rules. And the midfield pairing is very strong.
That's not happening 🇮🇩
You think Derry will beat Donegal in the preliminary round?
Quote from: Spiderlegs on March 25, 2025, 12:11:22 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 25, 2025, 11:45:58 AMQuote from: Spiderlegs on March 25, 2025, 11:12:03 AMQuote from: gallsman on March 25, 2025, 10:14:01 AMWith so much underage county and schools success in both Derry and Tyrone the last few years, D2 not a bad spot at all to really blood some fresh faces.
Would expect the pair of them to come back up handily enough.
Unless there are radical improvements in the Likes of Louth, Cork, Meath, Cavan then Tyrone and Derry will be promoted at a canter.
Derry's 1 point in the League made for false reading in my eyes. The Kerry game was farcical and should have been closed out. As should Donegal when leading well with 10 minutes to go. I would imagine Donegal will take them out in Ulster but they can then go and disappear into the background and go about their work quietly in preparation for the group stages where they will hope to come back nearer to full strength.
Tyrone very unfortunate to be relegated on 7 points. Periods of inconsistencies for sure but Tyrone have had worse league campaigns than this and stayed up. The likely Ulster Semi Final match up with Armagh (no disrespect to Cavan/Antrim) should be a good one. Tyrone's forward line looks very dangerous, so many "pocket rocket" style players that are hard to track in these new rules. And the midfield pairing is very strong.
That's not happening 🇮🇩
You think Derry will beat Donegal in the preliminary round?
Yes, have said it since the draw was made.
Quote from: JoG2 on March 25, 2025, 12:30:45 PMQuote from: Spiderlegs on March 25, 2025, 12:11:22 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 25, 2025, 11:45:58 AMQuote from: Spiderlegs on March 25, 2025, 11:12:03 AMQuote from: gallsman on March 25, 2025, 10:14:01 AMWith so much underage county and schools success in both Derry and Tyrone the last few years, D2 not a bad spot at all to really blood some fresh faces.
Would expect the pair of them to come back up handily enough.
Unless there are radical improvements in the Likes of Louth, Cork, Meath, Cavan then Tyrone and Derry will be promoted at a canter.
Derry's 1 point in the League made for false reading in my eyes. The Kerry game was farcical and should have been closed out. As should Donegal when leading well with 10 minutes to go. I would imagine Donegal will take them out in Ulster but they can then go and disappear into the background and go about their work quietly in preparation for the group stages where they will hope to come back nearer to full strength.
Tyrone very unfortunate to be relegated on 7 points. Periods of inconsistencies for sure but Tyrone have had worse league campaigns than this and stayed up. The likely Ulster Semi Final match up with Armagh (no disrespect to Cavan/Antrim) should be a good one. Tyrone's forward line looks very dangerous, so many "pocket rocket" style players that are hard to track in these new rules. And the midfield pairing is very strong.
That's not happening 🇮🇩
You think Derry will beat Donegal in the preliminary round?
Yes, have said it since the draw was made.
The ship has sailed.. courtesy of Harte and Tally. Was in top 3 and so close now a shadow of Rory's day. League win did them no favours. Harte hype...
Derry were ok to their training trip that turned into a shit show.Been down hill all the way since.
Quote from: StephenC on March 24, 2025, 09:35:04 PMQuote from: GTP on March 24, 2025, 07:36:35 PMDid anyone enjoy the league?
The two relegated teams say it doesn't matter we can rebuild next year.
The two finalists get to say it is only the league, good to get a game in Croke Park, we are preparing for championship whatever the result.
And the other 4 get to hang about to play the big boys next year in a bunch of games they may or may not care about depending on how they are going.
If Donegal didn't have a critical championship game one week after a potential league final, then you can bet that the team would be going all out for it. A county like Donegal has won so little that any chance to compete for a national title would be a big deal.
I think it'd ridiculous how "look how they celebrated winning the league" is used as some kind of insult. There are only 3 trophys that an intercounty team can win in any year (sorry Dr McKenna) and the idea that you shouldn't be happy if you win one of them is madness.
Donegal should have gone all out for the league regardless.
They've only won 3 national titles at senior level in their entire history. Had a good chance of a 33.3% increase of that!
The provincial championship has 0 significance for Div 1 teams in relation to the All-Ireland.
Especially Ulster as it means an early Ulster Championship exit puts them as 3rd seed, with a 2/3 chance of an easy 2nd seed and an easy 4th seed giving them no real jeopardy in getting out of their group.
Quote from: GTP on March 24, 2025, 07:36:35 PMDid anyone enjoy the league?
The two relegated teams say it doesn't matter we can rebuild next year.
The two finalists get to say it is only the league, good to get a game in Croke Park, we are preparing for championship whatever the result.
And the other 4 get to hang about to play the big boys next year in a bunch of games they may or may not care about depending on how they are going.
County boards care about the league the most as there's a huge drop-off in revenue in Div 2
Quote from: JoG2 on March 25, 2025, 12:30:45 PMQuote from: Spiderlegs on March 25, 2025, 12:11:22 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 25, 2025, 11:45:58 AMQuote from: Spiderlegs on March 25, 2025, 11:12:03 AMQuote from: gallsman on March 25, 2025, 10:14:01 AMWith so much underage county and schools success in both Derry and Tyrone the last few years, D2 not a bad spot at all to really blood some fresh faces.
Would expect the pair of them to come back up handily enough.
Unless there are radical improvements in the Likes of Louth, Cork, Meath, Cavan then Tyrone and Derry will be promoted at a canter.
Derry's 1 point in the League made for false reading in my eyes. The Kerry game was farcical and should have been closed out. As should Donegal when leading well with 10 minutes to go. I would imagine Donegal will take them out in Ulster but they can then go and disappear into the background and go about their work quietly in preparation for the group stages where they will hope to come back nearer to full strength.
Tyrone very unfortunate to be relegated on 7 points. Periods of inconsistencies for sure but Tyrone have had worse league campaigns than this and stayed up. The likely Ulster Semi Final match up with Armagh (no disrespect to Cavan/Antrim) should be a good one. Tyrone's forward line looks very dangerous, so many "pocket rocket" style players that are hard to track in these new rules. And the midfield pairing is very strong.
That's not happening 🇮🇩
You think Derry will beat Donegal in the preliminary round?
Yes, have said it since the draw was made.
Fair enough. Can't see it mind you. These two sides are quite clearly heading in opposite directions. Derry have excellent players when all available and can be a very competitive team at the top end but they are badly off it ever since being ambushed by Donegal last year.
Quote from: blanketattack on March 25, 2025, 04:18:39 PMQuote from: GTP on March 24, 2025, 07:36:35 PMDid anyone enjoy the league?
The two relegated teams say it doesn't matter we can rebuild next year.
The two finalists get to say it is only the league, good to get a game in Croke Park, we are preparing for championship whatever the result.
And the other 4 get to hang about to play the big boys next year in a bunch of games they may or may not care about depending on how they are going.
County boards care about the league the most as there's a huge drop-off in revenue in Div 2
Also there's decent extra bonuses for getting to the finals expecially for Division 1 so county treasurers definitely care about getting to a league final.
Derry v Donegal would been tight last yr if the keeper had stayed in nets.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 25, 2025, 09:22:16 PMDerry v Donegal would been tight last yr if the keeper had stayed in nets.
Amazing tactical geniuses Harte and Devlin didn't notice that after 4 games!
KERRY team for Sunday.
S Murphy;
P Murphy, J Foley, D Casey;
G White, M Breen, B Ó Beaglaoich;
J O'Connor, B D O'Sullivan;
M Burns, P Clifford, G O'Sullivan;
D Clifford, P Geaney, D Geaney.
Subs: S Murphy, C Geaney, D Bourke, T Brosnan, T O'Sullivan, A Heinrich, R Murphy, K Spillane, C Ó Beaglaoich, M O'Shea, T L O'Sullivan
MAYO:
C Reape;
J Coyne, D McHugh, E Hession;
S Callinan, D McBrien, S Coen;
J Carney, M Ruane;
D Neary, D McHale, J Flynn;
A O'Shea, F Irwin, R O'Donoghue
no subs published.
Was hoping to watch this, but it looks like GAA Go are f**king around with the overseas app and making you pay again on GAAgo.ie.
They can keep it.
That Mayo jersey is brutal!!
Very hard to differentiate these jerseys.
Backed kerry at 11/1 days before last round of fixtures. Will be one sided game as Mayo fill their at sight of Kerry Jersey in Croke Park.
Some difference on where a rte camera and a tg4 camera gets situated, that game hard to see from way up there and 2/3rds of the ground in dark shadow.
Game over
Bit confused with that goal , should that kick not been going outside the big arc. Keeper trying to kick just to the small arc, need see it again.
If u had colour sight issues, searching this game be a nightmare.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 30, 2025, 04:13:11 PMBit confused with that goal , should that kick not been going outside the big arc. Keeper trying to kick just to the small arc, need see it again.
The Mayo man was standing in the arc and Clifford hit to the ball before the Mayo man.
The Mayo keeper was trying to just take a short one, risky, I doubt he'll do it again
Quote from: J70 on March 30, 2025, 02:00:37 PMWas hoping to watch this, but it looks like GAA Go are f**king around with the overseas app and making you pay again on GAAgo.ie.
They can keep it.
Working OK for me.
Though why they'd pick the day of the final to update the app...?
Clifford diving 🙄
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on March 30, 2025, 04:20:43 PMQuote from: J70 on March 30, 2025, 02:00:37 PMWas hoping to watch this, but it looks like GAA Go are f**king around with the overseas app and making you pay again on GAAgo.ie.
They can keep it.
Working OK for me.
Though why they'd pick the day of the final to update the app...?
I had to log in again on the app but I am able to watch the game. I did see a message saying there would be a problem if you signed since Thursday
This is very poor fare.
Not great, first game (for what I saw) much better
Kerry in control so far with a 1-9 to 0-7 half time lead. Have seen better Mayo v Kerry league finals with the old rules.
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 30, 2025, 04:41:24 PMKerry in control so far with a 1-9 to 0-7 half time lead. Have seen better Mayo v Kerry league finals with the old rules.
If it wasn't for the Clifford brothers I'd turn it off. Paudie in particular is great to watch today - everything good that Kerry are doing is coming through him
Another final defeat. How many All Ireland and league finals lost since 1989? kerry might as well bring on the subs to make a game of it.
Sure they won the league only a few years ago.
Quote from: LarryStiles on March 30, 2025, 04:49:09 PMAnother final defeat. How many All Ireland and league finals lost since 1989? kerry might as well bring on the subs to make a game of it.
Nearly sure they've won two recently. One against Kerry
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 30, 2025, 04:52:27 PMQuote from: LarryStiles on March 30, 2025, 04:49:09 PMAnother final defeat. How many All Ireland and league finals lost since 1989? kerry might as well bring on the subs to make a game of it.
Nearly sure they've won two recently. One against Kerry
One against Galway too
Jason Foley getting with two dives.
How many steps for that Mayo goal?
Goal for Mayo and quick two pointer that might make things a bit more interesting? Kerry 1-13 Mayo 1-10. 48 mins played.
Mayos tackling is awful.
2 frees either half, if they just took a single point apiece and not try 2pters, they be within a score.
Is clifford the footballer he was?
Ref gonna let O'Connor run all day with it.
These rules were built to suit him, and others, he played better under the old rules.
another bad wide... gone very scrappy now
Clifford doing some complaining the day, yes u fouled again, free, get on with it!
Can Coldrick not give a hop ball or reverse the free for Clifford crying at him??
When did the new rule come in that Clifford automatically gets a free when someone looks at him?
He is getting fouled, but needs to get on with it, all those frees are ending up in scores.
Clifford is doing some crying for getting frees everytime hes touched. What more does he want
cheap shot there from ODonoghue
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 30, 2025, 05:36:36 PMClifford is doing some crying for getting frees everytime hes touched. What more does he want
Cards....
Quote from: screenexile on March 30, 2025, 05:28:11 PMCan Coldrick not give a hop ball or reverse the free for Clifford crying at him??
He can hop the ball, just do it the once and continues give him a yellow..
I prefer the tactic of not giving him any 50/50's the rest of the game, it generally works better ;D
Full time Kerry 1-18 Mayo 1-12. Yet another national title for Jack O'Connor. Kept Mayo at arms length throughout that game. As for Mayo they'll know 1-12 with the new rules in Croke Park is a poor return.
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 30, 2025, 05:36:36 PMClifford is doing some crying for getting frees everytime hes touched. What more does he want
Should have been booked that time he blocked the Mayo keeper coming out then lay down
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 30, 2025, 05:39:00 PMFull time Kerry 1-18 Mayo 1-12. Yet another national title for Jack O'Connor. Kept Mayo at arms length throughout that game. As for Mayo they'll know 1-12 with the new rules in Croke Park is a poor return.
Kerry probably 10-12 points the better team there.
Clifford probably missed about 1-5 alone.
Greatest of all time talk will have to cool for a while.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 30, 2025, 05:40:22 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on March 30, 2025, 05:39:00 PMFull time Kerry 1-18 Mayo 1-12. Yet another national title for Jack O'Connor. Kept Mayo at arms length throughout that game. As for Mayo they'll know 1-12 with the new rules in Croke Park is a poor return.
Kerry probably 10-12 points the better team there.
Clifford probably missed about 1-5 alone.
Greatest of all time talk will have to cool for a while.
Well 1 good game since 2022 before this year would probably cool that. Paudie looking the better brother lately
Nobody not saying hes not special but he doesn't turn onto his right foot as much anymore, and past couple yrs missed alot of scores u expect him to get. In saying that Kerry look alot better than last yr, Keaney come into it under these rules, while he was done under the old ones, Kerry look better now at Midfield.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 30, 2025, 05:42:04 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 30, 2025, 05:40:22 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on March 30, 2025, 05:39:00 PMFull time Kerry 1-18 Mayo 1-12. Yet another national title for Jack O'Connor. Kept Mayo at arms length throughout that game. As for Mayo they'll know 1-12 with the new rules in Croke Park is a poor return.
Kerry probably 10-12 points the better team there.
Clifford probably missed about 1-5 alone.
Greatest of all time talk will have to cool for a while.
Well 1 good game since 2022 before this year would probably cool that. Paudie looking the better brother lately
Bit quieter in 2nd half but Paudie was great in the 1st. Kerry never got out of 3rd gear and were comfortable. Mayo need to find more scorers - far too reliant on ODonoghue
Quote from: LarryStiles on March 30, 2025, 04:49:09 PMAnother final defeat. How many All Ireland and league finals lost since 1989? kerry might as well bring on the subs to make a game of it.
Nobody cares. Feck all at the game. And both sides running their benches.
Next week Mayo play Sligo. Lads are minding themselves for real fare.
As for the original question - go look it up? There is plenty of information on the Internet.
Burns loves the sound of his own voice!
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 30, 2025, 05:42:04 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 30, 2025, 05:40:22 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on March 30, 2025, 05:39:00 PMFull time Kerry 1-18 Mayo 1-12. Yet another national title for Jack O'Connor. Kept Mayo at arms length throughout that game. As for Mayo they'll know 1-12 with the new rules in Croke Park is a poor return.
Kerry probably 10-12 points the better team there.
Clifford probably missed about 1-5 alone.
Greatest of all time talk will have to cool for a while.
Well 1 good game since 2022 before this year would probably cool that. Paudie looking the better brother lately
Paudie was class today.
Con, Walsh and Canavan better forwards at the moment i think
Think so, I still take Clifford over any of them in the morning.
Mayo come up short once again. Oh well.
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 30, 2025, 05:44:41 PMQuote from: LarryStiles on March 30, 2025, 04:49:09 PMAnother final defeat. How many All Ireland and league finals lost since 1989? kerry might as well bring on the subs to make a game of it.
Nobody cares. Feck all at the game. And both sides running their benches.
Next week Mayo play Sligo. Lads are minding themselves for real fare.
As for the original question - go look it up? There is plenty of information on the Internet.
You alright ladeen?
Quote from: Cortoon on March 30, 2025, 05:52:03 PMMayo come up short once again. Oh well.
They fell into a League final trying to avoid relegation.
Mayo have a Championship game in 7 days time.
Kerry are not out again until the 19th April.
Mayo are not the vintage of 2011-2017 anymore.
Quote from: Rossfan on March 30, 2025, 05:53:41 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on March 30, 2025, 05:44:41 PMQuote from: LarryStiles on March 30, 2025, 04:49:09 PMAnother final defeat. How many All Ireland and league finals lost since 1989? kerry might as well bring on the subs to make a game of it.
Nobody cares. Feck all at the game. And both sides running their benches.
Next week Mayo play Sligo. Lads are minding themselves for real fare.
As for the original question - go look it up? There is plenty of information on the Internet.
You alright ladeen?
I'm as upset as you are upset about yesterday? Ladeen ;)
Tommy Conroy still out injured or just dropped away.Ruane was missing for them today, and they need Carney up front.
The league finals are very soulless not even 1/4 full in a 82k stadium. A great win for Offaly. Kildare miles off getting near Dublin in Leinster.
Would be a mortal sin to see a team winning a national title wearing that monstrosity of a jersey Mayo wore today anyway.
Kerry at around 60% there today and had a lot of poor misses and errors. Still, Seánie, Tom and Diarmuid to come into team yet and a lot of sharpening up to do but on a better path than last 2 years for sure.
Mayo..god that has to be a bit dispiriting for them I'd say? Or was Sligo game in forefront of minds too much?
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 30, 2025, 06:15:17 PMThe league finals are very soulless not even 1/4 full in a 82k stadium. A great win for Offaly. Kildare miles off getting near Dublin in Leinster.
21,596 the official figure there would be a fair chunk of that gone home after the Div. 3 final.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on March 30, 2025, 06:23:13 PMWould be a mortal sin to see a team winning a national title wearing that monstrosity of a jersey Mayo wore today anyway.
Apart from the awful design and lack of anything that a proper jersey should have. It also made viewing the game quite challenging as it was hard to distinguish between both teams.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on March 30, 2025, 06:23:13 PMMayo..god that has to be a bit dispiriting for them I'd say? Or was Sligo game in forefront of minds too much?
Mayo are no longer the circa 2011-2017 team. They fell into this final trying to avoid relegation. The focus is on the Championship in 7 days you'd imagine.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 30, 2025, 06:10:22 PMTommy Conroy still out injured or just dropped away.Ruane was missing fir them today, and they need Carney up front.
Both him and Paddy Durcan returned to training recently. Only positive for Mayo was not getting hammered a week before the championship starts but can thank Kerry for that with not going all out and nice of them to kick the ball out of play to finish the game. I agree that Mayo jersey needs to be put in the bin and not seen in public again.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on March 30, 2025, 06:34:26 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on March 30, 2025, 06:10:22 PMTommy Conroy still out injured or just dropped away.Ruane was missing fir them today, and they need Carney up front.
Both him and Paddy Durcan returned to training recently. Only positive for Mayo was not getting hammered a week before the championship starts but can thank Kerry for that with not going all out and nice of them to kick the ball out of play to finish the game.
They are big players for us. Apart from being superior, Kerry are in a different mindset in regards the championship.
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 30, 2025, 06:30:39 PMQuote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on March 30, 2025, 06:23:13 PMMayo..god that has to be a bit dispiriting for them I'd say? Or was Sligo game in forefront of minds too much?
Mayo are no longer the circa 2011-2017 team. They fell into this final trying to avoid relegation. The focus is on the Championship in 7 days you'd imagine.
Was the team of 2011-2017 that hectic either.
They could compete with the dubs when no one else could but they had some questionable results in them years too.
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 30, 2025, 06:24:31 PMQuote from: rodney trotter on March 30, 2025, 06:15:17 PMThe league finals are very soulless not even 1/4 full in a 82k stadium. A great win for Offaly. Kildare miles off getting near Dublin in Leinster.
21,596 the official figure there would be a fair chunk of that gone home after the Div. 3 final.
And a fair chunk in for free between premium and corporate. GAA probably lost money this weekend hosting those 4 games in Croke Park
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 30, 2025, 07:41:04 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on March 30, 2025, 06:30:39 PMQuote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on March 30, 2025, 06:23:13 PMMayo..god that has to be a bit dispiriting for them I'd say? Or was Sligo game in forefront of minds too much?
Mayo are no longer the circa 2011-2017 team. They fell into this final trying to avoid relegation. The focus is on the Championship in 7 days you'd imagine.
Was the team of 2011-2017 that hectic either.
They could compete with the dubs when no one else could but they had some questionable results in them years too.
Ah now, they took the best team of all to extra time and replays in their own patch. When nobody else was getting close. They'll always be put down for not sealing the deal, but you could not fault their determination in always coming back. Them Championships would have been a worse place without them.
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 30, 2025, 08:27:43 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 30, 2025, 07:41:04 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on March 30, 2025, 06:30:39 PMQuote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on March 30, 2025, 06:23:13 PMMayo..god that has to be a bit dispiriting for them I'd say? Or was Sligo game in forefront of minds too much?
Mayo are no longer the circa 2011-2017 team. They fell into this final trying to avoid relegation. The focus is on the Championship in 7 days you'd imagine.
Was the team of 2011-2017 that hectic either.
They could compete with the dubs when no one else could but they had some questionable results in them years too.
Ah now, they took the best team of all to extra time and replays in their own patch. When nobody else was getting close. They'll always be put down for not sealing the deal, but you could not fault their determination in always coming back. Them Championships would have been a worse place without them.
No one's denying their determination and ability to run Dublin so close in 2016 and 2017.
But the reality is they weren't even good enough to win Connacht those years.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 30, 2025, 08:35:49 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on March 30, 2025, 08:27:43 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 30, 2025, 07:41:04 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on March 30, 2025, 06:30:39 PMQuote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on March 30, 2025, 06:23:13 PMMayo..god that has to be a bit dispiriting for them I'd say? Or was Sligo game in forefront of minds too much?
Mayo are no longer the circa 2011-2017 team. They fell into this final trying to avoid relegation. The focus is on the Championship in 7 days you'd imagine.
Was the team of 2011-2017 that hectic either.
They could compete with the dubs when no one else could but they had some questionable results in them years too.
Ah now, they took the best team of all to extra time and replays in their own patch. When nobody else was getting close. They'll always be put down for not sealing the deal, but you could not fault their determination in always coming back. Them Championships would have been a worse place without them.
No one's denying their determination and ability to run Dublin so close in 2016 and 2017.
But the reality is they weren't even good enough to win Connacht those years.
And what would you think was the reason for that?
Hint: They won no Leagues during that period also......
Seriously, what age are u Larry 10? Grow f**king up,
I'd say they were more than good enough to win Connacht they just didn't care about it.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 30, 2025, 10:20:46 PMI'd say they were more than good enough to win Connacht they just didn't care about it.
Possibly but they stuttered over every round in the qualifiers. Drawing with Derry Cork and the Rossies.
Could always raise their game for the Dubs which is why we all loved them.
Dublin could physically bully nearly every team in the country at that time. Mayo were the only side that could match them physically I thought.
That Mayo team were admired and respected; the only side that gave the Dubs any worthwhile challenge. They'll be remembered when many Sam Maguire winners are forgotten
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 30, 2025, 08:35:49 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on March 30, 2025, 08:27:43 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 30, 2025, 07:41:04 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on March 30, 2025, 06:30:39 PMQuote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on March 30, 2025, 06:23:13 PMMayo..god that has to be a bit dispiriting for them I'd say? Or was Sligo game in forefront of minds too much?
Mayo are no longer the circa 2011-2017 team. They fell into this final trying to avoid relegation. The focus is on the Championship in 7 days you'd imagine.
Was the team of 2011-2017 that hectic either.
They could compete with the dubs when no one else could but they had some questionable results in them years too.
Ah now, they took the best team of all to extra time and replays in their own patch. When nobody else was getting close. They'll always be put down for not sealing the deal, but you could not fault their determination in always coming back. Them Championships would have been a worse place without them.
No one's denying their determination and ability to run Dublin so close in 2016 and 2017.
But the reality is they weren't even good enough to win Connacht those years.
Yes! Leave them with absolutely no doubt.....
Teams trained to peak at different times. If you'd straight knockout then I imagine Ulster and Connacht would have a very different roll of honour for some of those eras.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 30, 2025, 08:35:49 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on March 30, 2025, 08:27:43 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 30, 2025, 07:41:04 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on March 30, 2025, 06:30:39 PMQuote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on March 30, 2025, 06:23:13 PMMayo..god that has to be a bit dispiriting for them I'd say? Or was Sligo game in forefront of minds too much?
Mayo are no longer the circa 2011-2017 team. They fell into this final trying to avoid relegation. The focus is on the Championship in 7 days you'd imagine.
Was the team of 2011-2017 that hectic either.
They could compete with the dubs when no one else could but they had some questionable results in them years too.
Ah now, they took the best team of all to extra time and replays in their own patch. When nobody else was getting close. They'll always be put down for not sealing the deal, but you could not fault their determination in always coming back. Them Championships would have been a worse place without them.
No one's denying their determination and ability to run Dublin so close in 2016 and 2017.
But the reality is they weren't even good enough to win Connacht those years.
You think they won 5 in a row Connacht titles from 2011-2015, then suddenly weren't good enough anymore, despite putting the "greatest team of all time" to the pin of their collars in successive finals (including a draw and 2 one-point losses).
Quote from: befair on March 31, 2025, 03:03:17 PMThat Mayo team were admired and respected; the only side that gave the Dubs any worthwhile challenge. They'll be remembered when many Sam Maguire winners are forgotten
True bout great team in magnificent battles with the Dubs... not so sure a Sam Maguire team will be forgotten tho. I certainly haven't forgotten any of them.. even great one-offs... Derry '93, Donegal '92, '12 Armagh '02 '24 Cork '10, Offaly '82... would love to see Mayo join that.
Quote from: befair on March 31, 2025, 03:03:17 PMThat Mayo team were admired and respected; the only side that gave the Dubs any worthwhile challenge. They'll be remembered when many Sam Maguire winners are forgotten
Kerry also gave them a challenge. Was one score between them in that poor quality 2015 All Ireland final and the following year Dublin needed two added time points to get past Kerry in the All Ireland semi final.
Quote from: befair on March 31, 2025, 03:03:17 PMThat Mayo team were admired and respected; the only side that gave the Dubs any worthwhile challenge. They'll be remembered when many Sam Maguire winners are forgotten
So do you reckon, if that great Dublin team didn't exist, that Mayo would have won at least one all ireland?
History and results they had in them exact same years, would tell us that they still would have fell short.
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 31, 2025, 06:34:15 PMQuote from: befair on March 31, 2025, 03:03:17 PMThat Mayo team were admired and respected; the only side that gave the Dubs any worthwhile challenge. They'll be remembered when many Sam Maguire winners are forgotten
Kerry also gave them a challenge. Was one score between them in that poor quality 2015 All Ireland final and the following year Dublin needed two added time points to get past Kerry in the All Ireland semi final.
Kerry drew with them in 2019 too.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 31, 2025, 07:04:42 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on March 31, 2025, 06:34:15 PMQuote from: befair on March 31, 2025, 03:03:17 PMThat Mayo team were admired and respected; the only side that gave the Dubs any worthwhile challenge. They'll be remembered when many Sam Maguire winners are forgotten
Kerry also gave them a challenge. Was one score between them in that poor quality 2015 All Ireland final and the following year Dublin needed two added time points to get past Kerry in the All Ireland semi final.
Kerry drew with them in 2019 too.
Well drew against 14 men and were well beat in the replay. From what I remember of 2015 Dublin were in control the whole time.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 31, 2025, 08:01:28 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 31, 2025, 07:04:42 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on March 31, 2025, 06:34:15 PMQuote from: befair on March 31, 2025, 03:03:17 PMThat Mayo team were admired and respected; the only side that gave the Dubs any worthwhile challenge. They'll be remembered when many Sam Maguire winners are forgotten
Kerry also gave them a challenge. Was one score between them in that poor quality 2015 All Ireland final and the following year Dublin needed two added time points to get past Kerry in the All Ireland semi final.
Kerry drew with them in 2019 too.
Well drew against 14 men and were well beat in the replay. From what I remember of 2015 Dublin were in control the whole time.
Correct was arguably a bigger bottle job than any of Mayos
Quote from: befair on March 31, 2025, 03:03:17 PMThat Mayo team were admired and respected; the only side that gave the Dubs any worthwhile challenge. They'll be remembered when many Sam Maguire winners are forgotten
I think they'll be (probably unfairly) remembered as 'nearly men'.
Unfortunately, moments like Heneally dropping that ball and giving away a penalty, COC hitting the post , Vaughan silly red card, COC tapping over instead of working a goal chance 2013 etc etc , will be what people remember, given they didn't get over the line.
They did give Dublin in particular some great, close games , but ultimately they didn't win it. People scoffed at Armagh's "one in a row" and Derry the same. But at the end of the day , one in a row or not , they each won an All Ireland, so they'll forever be remembered moreso than very good teams (like Mayo) who just didn't get over the line.
Dublin hadn't been round, that Mayo team would won a few All-Irelands, what other team was gonna cone out of the woodwork that Dublin didn't already trounce.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 31, 2025, 08:59:19 PMDublin hadn't been round, that Mayo team would won a few All-Irelands, what other team was gonna cone out of the woodwork that Dublin didn't already trounce.
Dublin weren't around in 2012 2014 and 2021 and what happened?
Tyrone came out of the woodwork; Kerry came out of the woodwork.
Donegal the only team out of those 3 years that were on a journey towards an All Ireland.
From 2015 to 2019 both Mayo and Kerry got Dublin on days they were beatable however didn't seal the deal as they found ways to lose instead.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 31, 2025, 10:16:11 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on March 31, 2025, 08:59:19 PMDublin hadn't been round, that Mayo team would won a few All-Irelands, what other team was gonna cone out of the woodwork that Dublin didn't already trounce.
Dublin weren't around in 2012 2014 and 2021 and what happened?
Tyrone came out of the woodwork; Kerry came out of the woodwork.
Donegal the only team out of those 3 years that were on a journey towards an All Ireland.
Dublin werent around in 2012 cause we beat them in semi final , Kerry won in 2014 cause Cormac Reilly cheated , 2021 I still can't explain it .
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 31, 2025, 10:16:11 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on March 31, 2025, 08:59:19 PMDublin hadn't been round, that Mayo team would won a few All-Irelands, what other team was gonna cone out of the woodwork that Dublin didn't already trounce.
Dublin weren't around in 2012 2014 and 2021 and what happened?
Tyrone came out of the woodwork; Kerry came out of the woodwork.
Donegal the only team out of those 3 years that were on a journey towards an All Ireland.
Dublin were around.. they were beaten :D
Quote from: Truthsayer on March 31, 2025, 10:47:26 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 31, 2025, 10:16:11 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on March 31, 2025, 08:59:19 PMDublin hadn't been round, that Mayo team would won a few All-Irelands, what other team was gonna cone out of the woodwork that Dublin didn't already trounce.
Dublin weren't around in 2012 2014 and 2021 and what happened?
Tyrone came out of the woodwork; Kerry came out of the woodwork.
Donegal the only team out of those 3 years that were on a journey towards an All Ireland.
Dublin were around.. they were beaten :D
And Mayo beat them 2 out of those 3 years. They went through a phase of beating the all ireland champions several years in a row.
I think the point is I don't think it mattered who Mayo played in the finals they somehow found a way to lose as we seen in 2021.
So why would it have mattered if it was Kerry they played in 2016 final or Tyrone in 2017 final.
Quote from: larryin89 on March 31, 2025, 10:32:33 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 31, 2025, 10:16:11 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on March 31, 2025, 08:59:19 PMDublin hadn't been round, that Mayo team would won a few All-Irelands, what other team was gonna cone out of the woodwork that Dublin didn't already trounce.
Dublin weren't around in 2012 2014 and 2021 and what happened?
Tyrone came out of the woodwork; Kerry came out of the woodwork.
Donegal the only team out of those 3 years that were on a journey towards an All Ireland.
Dublin werent around in 2012 cause we beat them in semi final , Kerry won in 2014 cause Cormac Reilly cheated , 2021 I still can't explain it .
Can you explain why you were so cocky before the 2021 All Ireland final?
QuoteWhat would you like me to tell ya that mcshane off the bench is going to make the difference , that mattie Donnelly is unremarkable, that its too close to call,its 50/50. I dont believe any of the narrative spun about this been close , we are a far better outfit than Tyrone, a possible hb line of oisin , paddy and eoghan if fit with Leroy pushing up from the last line as we get a foothold is unstoppable , nothing and I mean nothing is going to stop Mayo winning the all Ireland. Who the fook are Tyrone anyway ,last time I seen them in a final they were attroslcious . Nobody mentioned Tyrone all year, now all of a sudden cause they got a sloppy victory over a disorganised disjointed poorly set up kerry they are world beaters . Mayo by 7-9 points easy
Only Mayo and Donegal had beat Dublin in that period, Kerry and Tyrone won all-Irelands cause Mayo knocked Dublin out, you should be thankful for them.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 31, 2025, 11:41:51 PMOnly Mayo and Donegal had beat Dubljn in that period, Kerry and Tyrone won all-Irelands cause Mayo knocked Dublin out, you should be thankful for them.
Agree 100% not a hope Tyrone would have beaten Dublin in the 2021 All Ireland if Mayo hadn't have beaten them.
As for 2014 Donegal beat them. That was a poor Kerry team that won that All Ireland.
Donegal probably still would have beaten Dublin in 2012 final. They beat Kerry and All Ireland favorites Cork that year.
Re: the 2021 final. I'm not just saying it now , but I was certain beforehand Tyrone would win it. Moreso than Mayo losing it.
I don't think Mayo had any sort of meltdown that day, did they? Not that I recall anyway . Tyrone just seemed to get the big scores at the right time
Quote from: AustinPowers on April 01, 2025, 12:39:24 AMRe: the 2021 final. I'm not just saying it now , but I was certain beforehand Tyrone would win it. Moreso than Mayo losing it.
I don't think Mayo had any sort of meltdown that day, did they? Not that I recall anyway . Tyrone just seemed to get the big scores at the right time
Just seem to remember Mayo having a lot of ball but Tyrone counters won the game
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 31, 2025, 11:41:51 PMOnly Mayo and Donegal had beat Dublin in that period, Kerry and Tyrone won all-Irelands cause Mayo knocked Dublin out, you should be thankful for them.
Apparently that's engraved on the Sam Maguire Cup after the winners names for those years :D
Quote from: AustinPowers on April 01, 2025, 12:39:24 AMRe: the 2021 final. I'm not just saying it now , but I was certain beforehand Tyrone would win it. Moreso than Mayo losing it.
I don't think Mayo had any sort of meltdown that day, did they? Not that I recall anyway . Tyrone just seemed to get the big scores at the right time
For me watching it from about 20 minutes in it was clear Tyrone had the belief and mayo didn't. Tyrone had 3 points from the fb line (from play) and I am not sure you would even have got that from the mayo ff line. It wasn't any incident that caused a meltdown or how the game panned out - they just didn't appear to have it and Tyrone did which probably made it worst as the game went on. The best team won.
I always thought with mayo the 5 in a row might not have happened had they got Dublin earlier and in 2021 I think there was a good chance had they played Tyrone earlier they might have won too but it's just finals...
Quote from: AustinPowers on April 01, 2025, 12:39:24 AMRe: the 2021 final. I'm not just saying it now , but I was certain beforehand Tyrone would win it. Moreso than Mayo losing it.
I don't think Mayo had any sort of meltdown that day, did they? Not that I recall anyway . Tyrone just seemed to get the big scores at the right time
Not a meltdown as such but missing the penalty at 2 points down would have been a huge momentum swinger.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 01, 2025, 07:46:20 AMQuote from: AustinPowers on April 01, 2025, 12:39:24 AMRe: the 2021 final. I'm not just saying it now , but I was certain beforehand Tyrone would win it. Moreso than Mayo losing it.
I don't think Mayo had any sort of meltdown that day, did they? Not that I recall anyway . Tyrone just seemed to get the big scores at the right time
For me watching it from about 20 minutes in it was clear Tyrone had the belief and mayo didn't. Tyrone had 3 points from the fb line (from play) and I am not sure you would even have got that from the mayo ff line. It wasn't any incident that caused a meltdown or how the game panned out - they just didn't appear to have it and Tyrone did which probably made it worst as the game went on. The best team won.
I always thought with mayo the 5 in a row might not have happened had they got Dublin earlier and in 2021 I think there was a good chance had they played Tyrone earlier they might have won too but it's just finals...
Was 2021 Mayos most resounding defeat in a final since 06?
And it was by far the weakest team they played.
Donegal in 2012 whilst not as good as Dublin 5 in a row were a very good side.
That Dublin team just brought the best out in Mayo.
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 30, 2025, 08:27:43 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 30, 2025, 07:41:04 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on March 30, 2025, 06:30:39 PMQuote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on March 30, 2025, 06:23:13 PMMayo..god that has to be a bit dispiriting for them I'd say? Or was Sligo game in forefront of minds too much?
Mayo are no longer the circa 2011-2017 team. They fell into this final trying to avoid relegation. The focus is on the Championship in 7 days you'd imagine.
Was the team of 2011-2017 that hectic either.
They could compete with the dubs when no one else could but they had some questionable results in them years too.
Ah now, they took the best team of all to extra time and replays in their own patch. When nobody else was getting close. They'll always be put down for not sealing the deal, but you could not fault their determination in always coming back. Them Championships would have been a worse place without them.
It's just patently untrue to say nobody else was getting close. Kerry were level with them going into injury time in both 2013 and 2016, and ahead of them going in injury time in 2019
There seems to be an automatic assumption that Mayo were the second best team of that period for playing Dublin close in 3 games that Dublin ultimately won. People forget getting dumped out of Connacht 3 times in a row, draws against Roscommon, Derry and Cork (latter two were a shambles back then) and a dive to beat Fermanagh at home. There was also a couple of hidings by Dublin in there in 2015 and later on in 2019.
Kerry actually won an All Ireland in that period, played Dublin close a similar number of times while never receiving a 2019 style hiding, always walked their province and regularly put 15 points on the type of teams Mayo were drawing with. Basically every year in that period Kerry went into the All Ireland race as 4/1 shots while Mayo were 8/1+, which tells you how the two teams were ranked at that time
Quote from: Manning18 on April 01, 2025, 11:04:27 AMQuote from: From the Bunker on March 30, 2025, 08:27:43 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 30, 2025, 07:41:04 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on March 30, 2025, 06:30:39 PMQuote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on March 30, 2025, 06:23:13 PMMayo..god that has to be a bit dispiriting for them I'd say? Or was Sligo game in forefront of minds too much?
Mayo are no longer the circa 2011-2017 team. They fell into this final trying to avoid relegation. The focus is on the Championship in 7 days you'd imagine.
Was the team of 2011-2017 that hectic either.
They could compete with the dubs when no one else could but they had some questionable results in them years too.
Ah now, they took the best team of all to extra time and replays in their own patch. When nobody else was getting close. They'll always be put down for not sealing the deal, but you could not fault their determination in always coming back. Them Championships would have been a worse place without them.
It's just patently untrue to say nobody else was getting close. Kerry were level with them going into injury time in both 2013 and 2016, and ahead of them going in injury time in 2019
There seems to be an automatic assumption that Mayo were the second best team of that period for playing Dublin close in 3 games that Dublin ultimately won. People forget getting dumped out of Connacht 3 times in a row, draws against Roscommon, Derry and Cork (latter two were a shambles back then) and a dive to beat Fermanagh at home. There was also a couple of hidings by Dublin in there in 2015 and later on in 2019.
Kerry actually won an All Ireland in that period, played Dublin close a similar number of times while never receiving a 2019 style hiding, always walked their province and regularly put 15 points on the type of teams Mayo were drawing with. Basically every year in that period Kerry went into the All Ireland race as 4/1 shots while Mayo were 8/1+, which tells you how the two teams were ranked at that time
Yeah there definitely seems to be an element of writing Kerry off in this time period - I'd say if you asked the Dubs players at the time both counties would be very even in terms of the level of competition provided and I'd be surprised if the Dublin players didn't rank their wins over Kerry that smidge higher given the historical record.
Quote from: AustinPowers on April 01, 2025, 12:39:24 AMRe: the 2021 final. I'm not just saying it now , but I was certain beforehand Tyrone would win it. Moreso than Mayo losing it.
I don't think Mayo had any sort of meltdown that day, did they? Not that I recall anyway . Tyrone just seemed to get the big scores at the right time
100% AP, everyone I spoke to within the county was the same too, absolute confidence after beating Kerry. Now that semi final, I was not confident at all, but one game can change everything
Does seem more than coincidence that Tyrone's 4 All Ireland wins were diminished by commentators... '03 puke football... '05 won't win an All Ireland without Canavan... '08 to decide 'team of the decade' afterwards no word of 'team of the decade'.. '21 Covid All Ireland despite '20 final in an empty stadium in December!
Tyrone weren't far away by '21.. in final in '18 and in a few semi-finals.. new management let them off the lease long kickout for goal, long high ball in for goal.. McKenna also a huge factor. Well merited again :D
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 01, 2025, 03:55:50 PMDoes seem more than coincidence that Tyrone's 4 All Ireland wins were diminished by commentators... '03 puke football... '05 won't win an All Ireland without Canavan... '08 to decide 'team of the decade' afterwards no word of 'team of the decade'.. '21 Covid All Ireland despite '20 final in an empty stadium in December!
Tyrone weren't far away by '21.. in final in '18 and in a few semi-finals.. new management let them off the lease long kickout for goal, long high ball in for goal.. McKenna also a huge factor. Well merited again :D
Tyrone would be stuck on zero Senior All Ireland titles but for the great and ground work of Saint Mickey Harte. A bronze or marble sculpture of him outside the Garvaghey Centre is well merited at this stage.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 01, 2025, 04:06:55 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 01, 2025, 03:55:50 PMDoes seem more than coincidence that Tyrone's 4 All Ireland wins were diminished by commentators... '03 puke football... '05 won't win an All Ireland without Canavan... '08 to decide 'team of the decade' afterwards no word of 'team of the decade'.. '21 Covid All Ireland despite '20 final in an empty stadium in December!
Tyrone weren't far away by '21.. in final in '18 and in a few semi-finals.. new management let them off the lease long kickout for goal, long high ball in for goal.. McKenna also a huge factor. Well merited again :D
Tyrone would be stuck on zero Senior All Ireland titles but for the great and ground work of Saint Mickey Harte. A bronze or marble sculpture of him outside the Garvaghey Centre is well merited at this stage.
And Peter Canavan and Sean Cavanagh and Conor Gormley and Owen Mulligan and Paudie Hampsey and Niall Morgan and Conor McKenna... try harder..
Truthsayer unable to handle the truth.
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 01, 2025, 04:36:16 PMTruthsayer unable to handle the truth.
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From the county carried to 2 Sams by Geezer: even had an airplane protest to get red of him.. :D :D ;D
How's that for truth! 🤓
Covid run over 2yrs. It's a covid all-Ireland cause you got a game put off cause you couldn't field a team, and we giving Poacher and Leitrim a hard time.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 01, 2025, 04:49:03 PMCovid run over 2yrs. It's a covid all-Ireland cause you got a game put off cause you couldn't field a team, and we giving Poacher and Leitrim a hard time.
Kerry had option not to play but thought it was handy warm-up for the final... Tyrone bois smart.. how's that Harte/Tally All Ireland project going?! :) ::)
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 01, 2025, 09:29:37 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on April 01, 2025, 07:46:20 AMQuote from: AustinPowers on April 01, 2025, 12:39:24 AMRe: the 2021 final. I'm not just saying it now , but I was certain beforehand Tyrone would win it. Moreso than Mayo losing it.
I don't think Mayo had any sort of meltdown that day, did they? Not that I recall anyway . Tyrone just seemed to get the big scores at the right time
For me watching it from about 20 minutes in it was clear Tyrone had the belief and mayo didn't. Tyrone had 3 points from the fb line (from play) and I am not sure you would even have got that from the mayo ff line. It wasn't any incident that caused a meltdown or how the game panned out - they just didn't appear to have it and Tyrone did which probably made it worst as the game went on. The best team won.
I always thought with mayo the 5 in a row might not have happened had they got Dublin earlier and in 2021 I think there was a good chance had they played Tyrone earlier they might have won too but it's just finals...
Was 2021 Mayos most resounding defeat in a final since 06?
And it was by far the weakest team they played.
Donegal in 2012 whilst not as good as Dublin 5 in a row were a very good side.
That Dublin team just brought the best out in Mayo.
Did the Dubs not tank them in 2020 final? Or was that the '19 semi? Or both?
Quote from: Manning18 on April 01, 2025, 11:04:27 AMQuote from: From the Bunker on March 30, 2025, 08:27:43 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 30, 2025, 07:41:04 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on March 30, 2025, 06:30:39 PMQuote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on March 30, 2025, 06:23:13 PMMayo..god that has to be a bit dispiriting for them I'd say? Or was Sligo game in forefront of minds too much?
Mayo are no longer the circa 2011-2017 team. They fell into this final trying to avoid relegation. The focus is on the Championship in 7 days you'd imagine.
Was the team of 2011-2017 that hectic either.
They could compete with the dubs when no one else could but they had some questionable results in them years too.
Ah now, they took the best team of all to extra time and replays in their own patch. When nobody else was getting close. They'll always be put down for not sealing the deal, but you could not fault their determination in always coming back. Them Championships would have been a worse place without them.
It's just patently untrue to say nobody else was getting close. Kerry were level with them going into injury time in both 2013 and 2016, and ahead of them going in injury time in 2019
There seems to be an automatic assumption that Mayo were the second best team of that period for playing Dublin close in 3 games that Dublin ultimately won. People forget getting dumped out of Connacht 3 times in a row, draws against Roscommon, Derry and Cork (latter two were a shambles back then) and a dive to beat Fermanagh at home. There was also a couple of hidings by Dublin in there in 2015 and later on in 2019.
Kerry actually won an All Ireland in that period, played Dublin close a similar number of times while never receiving a 2019 style hiding, always walked their province and regularly put 15 points on the type of teams Mayo were drawing with. Basically every year in that period Kerry went into the All Ireland race as 4/1 shots while Mayo were 8/1+, which tells you how the two teams were ranked at that time
We beat them in 2017 and got robbed in 2014 . We were better than Kerry circa 2012 -2017 in the overall context , most people's power rankings for them years would have it that way but unfortunately they smash and grabbed one and winners dictate the narrative oh and anti mayo Galway WANs like you of course .
Can only credit Mayo for coming back and coming back and for all his detractors none more than Aidan O'Shea. They have been so close. Gerry Quarry once fought for a World title and was on the brink of winning and... capitulated. Later said he came to 'the door of destiny' but couldn't go through it. Seems similar mindset in Mayo. They will some day. Would love to see it.
While I was more than happy to see Tyrone win in 2021, I thought Mayo bottled it and did not believe at all. I remember after thinking that was a huge opportunity for them and if I was a Mayo supporter I'd have been furious. Is some story.. Mayo.
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 01, 2025, 03:55:50 PMDoes seem more than coincidence that Tyrone's 4 All Ireland wins were diminished by commentators... '03 puke football... '05 won't win an All Ireland without Canavan... '08 to decide 'team of the decade' afterwards no word of 'team of the decade'.. '21 Covid All Ireland despite '20 final in an empty stadium in December!
Tyrone weren't far away by '21.. in final in '18 and in a few semi-finals.. new management let them off the lease long kickout for goal, long high ball in for goal.. McKenna also a huge factor. Well merited again :D
Canavan was there in 05
Tyrone were in QF/semis for a few years leading up to 2021, so I suppose they were there or thereabouts. Once they beat Kerry (I didn't think they would) in the 21 semi , they had to grab the chance when it was there for them. Like Armagh did last year
History tells us such counties don't get many chances to win the All Ireland, so it has to be taken when the chance arises.
Quote from: AustinPowers on April 01, 2025, 06:00:34 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 01, 2025, 03:55:50 PMDoes seem more than coincidence that Tyrone's 4 All Ireland wins were diminished by commentators... '03 puke football... '05 won't win an All Ireland without Canavan... '08 to decide 'team of the decade' afterwards no word of 'team of the decade'.. '21 Covid All Ireland despite '20 final in an empty stadium in December!
Tyrone weren't far away by '21.. in final in '18 and in a few semi-finals.. new management let them off the lease long kickout for goal, long high ball in for goal.. McKenna also a huge factor. Well merited again :D
Canavan was there in 05
Tyrone were in QF/semis for a few years leading up to 2021, so I suppose they were there or thereabouts. Once they beat Kerry (I didn't think they would) in the 21 semi , they had to grab the chance when it was there for them. Like Armagh did last year
History tells us such counties don't get many chances to win the All Ireland, so it has to be taken when the chance arises.
I know Canavan was there in '05.. he scored a goal in the final.. commentators then saying Tyrone would never win an All Ireland without him, among them Martin McHugh... won it 3 years later.
Rest of your comments 100% good analysis
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 01, 2025, 04:55:39 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 01, 2025, 09:29:37 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on April 01, 2025, 07:46:20 AMQuote from: AustinPowers on April 01, 2025, 12:39:24 AMRe: the 2021 final. I'm not just saying it now , but I was certain beforehand Tyrone would win it. Moreso than Mayo losing it.
I don't think Mayo had any sort of meltdown that day, did they? Not that I recall anyway . Tyrone just seemed to get the big scores at the right time
For me watching it from about 20 minutes in it was clear Tyrone had the belief and mayo didn't. Tyrone had 3 points from the fb line (from play) and I am not sure you would even have got that from the mayo ff line. It wasn't any incident that caused a meltdown or how the game panned out - they just didn't appear to have it and Tyrone did which probably made it worst as the game went on. The best team won.
I always thought with mayo the 5 in a row might not have happened had they got Dublin earlier and in 2021 I think there was a good chance had they played Tyrone earlier they might have won too but it's just finals...
Was 2021 Mayos most resounding defeat in a final since 06?
And it was by far the weakest team they played.
Donegal in 2012 whilst not as good as Dublin 5 in a row were a very good side.
That Dublin team just brought the best out in Mayo.
Did the Dubs not tank them in 2020 final? Or was that the '19 semi? Or both?
Dublin beat them well in 19.
Don't think 2020 was a hammering they might have got 2 early goals but Mayo competed well.
Tyrone would have probably won more titles if it were not for Armagh being strong rival in Ulster at the time and putting so much effort into the McKenna Cups.
Tyrone won McKenna Cups in 2004, 2005, 2006 and 2007. Complete madness going out to win such a competition with an established team. You'd never get Kerry or Dublin doing such a thing.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 01, 2025, 06:40:28 PMTyrone would have probably won more titles if it were not for Armagh being strong rival in Ulster at the time and putting so much effort into the McKenna Cups.
Tyrone won McKenna Cups in 2004, 2005, 2006 and 2007. Complete madness going out to win such a competition with an established team. You'd never get Kerry or Dublin doing such a thing.
Well yeah , because Kerry and Dublin don't play in the McKenna cup ;D
Mind you, noR do any Ulster team . This year, anyway
Quote from: larryin89 on April 01, 2025, 05:38:12 PMQuote from: Manning18 on April 01, 2025, 11:04:27 AMQuote from: From the Bunker on March 30, 2025, 08:27:43 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 30, 2025, 07:41:04 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on March 30, 2025, 06:30:39 PMQuote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on March 30, 2025, 06:23:13 PMMayo..god that has to be a bit dispiriting for them I'd say? Or was Sligo game in forefront of minds too much?
Mayo are no longer the circa 2011-2017 team. They fell into this final trying to avoid relegation. The focus is on the Championship in 7 days you'd imagine.
Was the team of 2011-2017 that hectic either.
They could compete with the dubs when no one else could but they had some questionable results in them years too.
Ah now, they took the best team of all to extra time and replays in their own patch. When nobody else was getting close. They'll always be put down for not sealing the deal, but you could not fault their determination in always coming back. Them Championships would have been a worse place without them.
It's just patently untrue to say nobody else was getting close. Kerry were level with them going into injury time in both 2013 and 2016, and ahead of them going in injury time in 2019
There seems to be an automatic assumption that Mayo were the second best team of that period for playing Dublin close in 3 games that Dublin ultimately won. People forget getting dumped out of Connacht 3 times in a row, draws against Roscommon, Derry and Cork (latter two were a shambles back then) and a dive to beat Fermanagh at home. There was also a couple of hidings by Dublin in there in 2015 and later on in 2019.
Kerry actually won an All Ireland in that period, played Dublin close a similar number of times while never receiving a 2019 style hiding, always walked their province and regularly put 15 points on the type of teams Mayo were drawing with. Basically every year in that period Kerry went into the All Ireland race as 4/1 shots while Mayo were 8/1+, which tells you how the two teams were ranked at that time
We beat them in 2017 and got robbed in 2014 . We were better than Kerry circa 2012 -2017 in the overall context , most people's power rankings for them years would have it that way but unfortunately they smash and grabbed one and winners dictate the narrative oh and anti mayo Galway WANs like you of course .
Absolutely nobody had Mayo power ranked over Kerry in those years, as was evidenced as I said by the odds of that time. Kerry went off slight favorites to beat Dublin in the 2015 final. Mayo were never sub 3/1 to beat Dublin in any game throughout that period
You've cherrypicked 2012 there. Kerry hammered Mayo by 9 points in 2011, beat them in 2014 (after replay), Mayo won in 17 (again after replay) and Kerry absolutely devoured Mayo in 2019. So the head to head for that decade feels fairly conclusive in one direction. It's also 1 All Ireland to zero
Kerry were walking provincials and winning league titles while Mayo were staving off relegation, getting beaten by a very average Galway in Connacht in 3 consecutive years, and piddling through the easiest draw possible to get back to a final
It's hilarious you mention referee robbery when Aidan O'Shea had one of the most blatant dives of the decade to rob Fermanagh in a qualifier, while Mayo needed some very questionable decisions to bring Roscommon to ET a year later. Had either of those games been ref'd correctly Mayo wouldn't be even be in this conversation as they'd never have had the opportunity to have their moral victories (losses) against Dublin in the final
Quote from: Manning18 on April 01, 2025, 09:12:16 PMQuote from: larryin89 on April 01, 2025, 05:38:12 PMQuote from: Manning18 on April 01, 2025, 11:04:27 AMQuote from: From the Bunker on March 30, 2025, 08:27:43 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 30, 2025, 07:41:04 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on March 30, 2025, 06:30:39 PMQuote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on March 30, 2025, 06:23:13 PMMayo..god that has to be a bit dispiriting for them I'd say? Or was Sligo game in forefront of minds too much?
Mayo are no longer the circa 2011-2017 team. They fell into this final trying to avoid relegation. The focus is on the Championship in 7 days you'd imagine.
Was the team of 2011-2017 that hectic either.
They could compete with the dubs when no one else could but they had some questionable results in them years too.
Ah now, they took the best team of all to extra time and replays in their own patch. When nobody else was getting close. They'll always be put down for not sealing the deal, but you could not fault their determination in always coming back. Them Championships would have been a worse place without them.
It's just patently untrue to say nobody else was getting close. Kerry were level with them going into injury time in both 2013 and 2016, and ahead of them going in injury time in 2019
There seems to be an automatic assumption that Mayo were the second best team of that period for playing Dublin close in 3 games that Dublin ultimately won. People forget getting dumped out of Connacht 3 times in a row, draws against Roscommon, Derry and Cork (latter two were a shambles back then) and a dive to beat Fermanagh at home. There was also a couple of hidings by Dublin in there in 2015 and later on in 2019.
Kerry actually won an All Ireland in that period, played Dublin close a similar number of times while never receiving a 2019 style hiding, always walked their province and regularly put 15 points on the type of teams Mayo were drawing with. Basically every year in that period Kerry went into the All Ireland race as 4/1 shots while Mayo were 8/1+, which tells you how the two teams were ranked at that time
We beat them in 2017 and got robbed in 2014 . We were better than Kerry circa 2012 -2017 in the overall context , most people's power rankings for them years would have it that way but unfortunately they smash and grabbed one and winners dictate the narrative oh and anti mayo Galway WANs like you of course .
Absolutely nobody had Mayo power ranked over Kerry in those years, as was evidenced as I said by the odds of that time. Kerry went off slight favorites to beat Dublin in the 2015 final. Mayo were never sub 3/1 to beat Dublin in any game throughout that period
You've cherrypicked 2012 there. Kerry hammered Mayo by 9 points in 2011, beat them in 2014 (after replay), Mayo won in 17 (again after replay) and Kerry absolutely devoured Mayo in 2019. So the head to head for that decade feels fairly conclusive in one direction. It's also 1 All Ireland to zero
Kerry were walking provincials and winning league titles while Mayo were staving off relegation, getting beaten by a very average Galway in Connacht in 3 consecutive years, and piddling through the easiest draw possible to get back to a final
It's hilarious you mention referee robbery when Aidan O'Shea had one of the most blatant dives of the decade to rob Fermanagh in a qualifier, while Mayo needed some very questionable decisions to bring Roscommon to ET a year later. Had either of those games been ref'd correctly Mayo wouldn't be even be in this conversation as they'd never have had the opportunity to have their moral victories (losses) against Dublin in the final
2012 to 2017 (hardly cherrypicking ) it was the era when when we won our semi final for the first time since 06 , we won five nestors on the bounce , we contested four all Ireland finals and competed in every single semi final in that said era , 12 beat dubs, 13 beat Tyrone , 14 lost to Cormac Reilly , 15 lost to dubs after a replay, 16 beat tipp , 17 beat Kerry .
All stars in said era .
2012: Ger Cafferkey (Full Back), Keith Higgins (Left-Corner Back), Lee Keegan (Right-Half Back), Alan Dillon (Centre-Half Forward).
2013: Keith Higgins (Left-Corner Back), Lee Keegan (Right-Half Back), Colm Boyle (Left-Half Back), Aiden O'Shea (Midfield).
2014: Keith Higgins (Left-Corner Back), Colm Boyle (Left-Half Back), Cillian O'Connor (Right-Corner Forward).
2015: Lee Keegan (Right-Half Back), Aiden O'Shea (Full Forward).
2016: David Clarke (Goalkeeper), Brendan Harrison (Right-Corner Back) Lee Keegan (Right-Half Back), Colm Boyle (Centre Half Back).
2017: David Clarke (Goalkeeper), Chris Barrett (Right-Corner Back), Keith Higgins (Left-Corner Back), Colm Boyle (Right-Half Back), Aidan O'Shea (Centre-Half Forward), Andy Moran (Left-Corner Forward).
There will be many debates on why and how with all sorts of opinions but yours is just nonsense. It won't ever be what they wanted to be remembered by but that era will never be equalled in the context of the greatest era for a county that didn't collect one . Unbelievable characters of true sporting resilience and we will always be very proud of their efforts in Mayo .
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 01, 2025, 06:40:28 PMTyrone would have probably won more titles if it were not for Armagh being strong rival in Ulster at the time and putting so much effort into the McKenna Cups.
Tyrone won McKenna Cups in 2004, 2005, 2006 and 2007. Complete madness going out to win such a competition with an established team. You'd never get Kerry or Dublin doing such a thing.
Maybe 1 more but three was decent return for a team never won All Ireland before. Armagh won Ulsters but who cares if you win more All Irelands.
2004 was when captain Cormac McAnallen died which would had huge effect. They won All Ireland in '05!
We're living in a world where Newcastle won a trophy. Mayo's time will come
Quote from: AustinPowers on April 01, 2025, 06:00:34 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 01, 2025, 03:55:50 PMDoes seem more than coincidence that Tyrone's 4 All Ireland wins were diminished by commentators... '03 puke football... '05 won't win an All Ireland without Canavan... '08 to decide 'team of the decade' afterwards no word of 'team of the decade'.. '21 Covid All Ireland despite '20 final in an empty stadium in December!
Tyrone weren't far away by '21.. in final in '18 and in a few semi-finals.. new management let them off the lease long kickout for goal, long high ball in for goal.. McKenna also a huge factor. Well merited again :D
Canavan was there in 05
Tyrone were in QF/semis for a few years leading up to 2021, so I suppose they were there or thereabouts. Once they beat Kerry (I didn't think they would) in the 21 semi , they had to grab the chance when it was there for them. Like Armagh did last year
History tells us such counties don't get many chances to win the All Ireland, so it has to be taken when the chance arises.
Think he's talking about the narratives that were common when Tyrone won their All Irelands mate
Quote from: larryin89 on April 01, 2025, 10:23:42 PMQuote from: Manning18 on April 01, 2025, 09:12:16 PMQuote from: larryin89 on April 01, 2025, 05:38:12 PMQuote from: Manning18 on April 01, 2025, 11:04:27 AMQuote from: From the Bunker on March 30, 2025, 08:27:43 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 30, 2025, 07:41:04 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on March 30, 2025, 06:30:39 PMQuote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on March 30, 2025, 06:23:13 PMMayo..god that has to be a bit dispiriting for them I'd say? Or was Sligo game in forefront of minds too much?
Mayo are no longer the circa 2011-2017 team. They fell into this final trying to avoid relegation. The focus is on the Championship in 7 days you'd imagine.
Was the team of 2011-2017 that hectic either.
They could compete with the dubs when no one else could but they had some questionable results in them years too.
Ah now, they took the best team of all to extra time and replays in their own patch. When nobody else was getting close. They'll always be put down for not sealing the deal, but you could not fault their determination in always coming back. Them Championships would have been a worse place without them.
It's just patently untrue to say nobody else was getting close. Kerry were level with them going into injury time in both 2013 and 2016, and ahead of them going in injury time in 2019
There seems to be an automatic assumption that Mayo were the second best team of that period for playing Dublin close in 3 games that Dublin ultimately won. People forget getting dumped out of Connacht 3 times in a row, draws against Roscommon, Derry and Cork (latter two were a shambles back then) and a dive to beat Fermanagh at home. There was also a couple of hidings by Dublin in there in 2015 and later on in 2019.
Kerry actually won an All Ireland in that period, played Dublin close a similar number of times while never receiving a 2019 style hiding, always walked their province and regularly put 15 points on the type of teams Mayo were drawing with. Basically every year in that period Kerry went into the All Ireland race as 4/1 shots while Mayo were 8/1+, which tells you how the two teams were ranked at that time
We beat them in 2017 and got robbed in 2014 . We were better than Kerry circa 2012 -2017 in the overall context , most people's power rankings for them years would have it that way but unfortunately they smash and grabbed one and winners dictate the narrative oh and anti mayo Galway WANs like you of course .
Absolutely nobody had Mayo power ranked over Kerry in those years, as was evidenced as I said by the odds of that time. Kerry went off slight favorites to beat Dublin in the 2015 final. Mayo were never sub 3/1 to beat Dublin in any game throughout that period
You've cherrypicked 2012 there. Kerry hammered Mayo by 9 points in 2011, beat them in 2014 (after replay), Mayo won in 17 (again after replay) and Kerry absolutely devoured Mayo in 2019. So the head to head for that decade feels fairly conclusive in one direction. It's also 1 All Ireland to zero
Kerry were walking provincials and winning league titles while Mayo were staving off relegation, getting beaten by a very average Galway in Connacht in 3 consecutive years, and piddling through the easiest draw possible to get back to a final
It's hilarious you mention referee robbery when Aidan O'Shea had one of the most blatant dives of the decade to rob Fermanagh in a qualifier, while Mayo needed some very questionable decisions to bring Roscommon to ET a year later. Had either of those games been ref'd correctly Mayo wouldn't be even be in this conversation as they'd never have had the opportunity to have their moral victories (losses) against Dublin in the final
2012 to 2017 (hardly cherrypicking ) it was the era when when we won our semi final for the first time since 06 , we won five nestors on the bounce , we contested four all Ireland finals and competed in every single semi final in that said era , 12 beat dubs, 13 beat Tyrone , 14 lost to Cormac Reilly , 15 lost to dubs after a replay, 16 beat tipp , 17 beat Kerry .
All stars in said era .
2012: Ger Cafferkey (Full Back), Keith Higgins (Left-Corner Back), Lee Keegan (Right-Half Back), Alan Dillon (Centre-Half Forward).
2013: Keith Higgins (Left-Corner Back), Lee Keegan (Right-Half Back), Colm Boyle (Left-Half Back), Aiden O'Shea (Midfield).
2014: Keith Higgins (Left-Corner Back), Colm Boyle (Left-Half Back), Cillian O'Connor (Right-Corner Forward).
2015: Lee Keegan (Right-Half Back), Aiden O'Shea (Full Forward).
2016: David Clarke (Goalkeeper), Brendan Harrison (Right-Corner Back) Lee Keegan (Right-Half Back), Colm Boyle (Centre Half Back).
2017: David Clarke (Goalkeeper), Chris Barrett (Right-Corner Back), Keith Higgins (Left-Corner Back), Colm Boyle (Right-Half Back), Aidan O'Shea (Centre-Half Forward), Andy Moran (Left-Corner Forward).
There will be many debates on why and how with all sorts of opinions but yours is just nonsense. It won't ever be what they wanted to be remembered by but that era will never be equalled in the context of the greatest era for a county that didn't collect one . Unbelievable characters of true sporting resilience and we will always be very proud of their efforts in Mayo .
You've gone off on a complete tangent to something nobody is talking about. The argument was who is the second best team of that decade, a long long way behind Dublin in first. The common narrative is that it was Mayo. Ive pointed out how the results of that decade simply don't stack up that argument, having had countless times when Mayo were bang average. Playing Dublin close a few times doesn't automatically grant you that spot, when Kerry also played Dublin close a few times, never lost or drew to the bad teams Mayo did, and actually won an All Ireland
Your dates are cherrypicked because they convieniently ignore a year previous when Kerry hammered a Mayo who'd the same players and management team as the years after, and ignores the same team in 2019 who got annihilated by Kerry and Dublin. Those two counties don't tend to need to cherrypick years.
Even if we stick with 2012-2017, im sure some Donegal man could come along and claim they were better than Mayo for that period, given that they beat Mayo comfortably in a final and stopped what wouldve been an eventual 8 in a row in 2014. There's a very far cry from Gilroys Dublin in 2012 who were beating Laois, Wexford and Meath by 3 points each and Jim Gavins version in 2014 who were beating those teams by 20
Lastly, seriously give up the Cormac Reilly stuff. Kerry won that extra time by 3 full points. Is it any wonder McStay gets humiliated online for having basic comments about Clifford. It goes back to Mayo fans whinging about every final loss, Pat McEneaney getting death threats after 1996, Mayo Mick in Limerick in 2014, the abuse Joe McQuillan got after a final with the Dubs. It's a terrible look thats given Mayo fans a bad name
Quote from: Manning18 on April 02, 2025, 04:31:02 PMQuote from: larryin89 on April 01, 2025, 10:23:42 PMQuote from: Manning18 on April 01, 2025, 09:12:16 PMQuote from: larryin89 on April 01, 2025, 05:38:12 PMQuote from: Manning18 on April 01, 2025, 11:04:27 AMQuote from: From the Bunker on March 30, 2025, 08:27:43 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 30, 2025, 07:41:04 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on March 30, 2025, 06:30:39 PMQuote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on March 30, 2025, 06:23:13 PMMayo..god that has to be a bit dispiriting for them I'd say? Or was Sligo game in forefront of minds too much?
Mayo are no longer the circa 2011-2017 team. They fell into this final trying to avoid relegation. The focus is on the Championship in 7 days you'd imagine.
Was the team of 2011-2017 that hectic either.
They could compete with the dubs when no one else could but they had some questionable results in them years too.
Ah now, they took the best team of all to extra time and replays in their own patch. When nobody else was getting close. They'll always be put down for not sealing the deal, but you could not fault their determination in always coming back. Them Championships would have been a worse place without them.
It's just patently untrue to say nobody else was getting close. Kerry were level with them going into injury time in both 2013 and 2016, and ahead of them going in injury time in 2019
There seems to be an automatic assumption that Mayo were the second best team of that period for playing Dublin close in 3 games that Dublin ultimately won. People forget getting dumped out of Connacht 3 times in a row, draws against Roscommon, Derry and Cork (latter two were a shambles back then) and a dive to beat Fermanagh at home. There was also a couple of hidings by Dublin in there in 2015 and later on in 2019.
Kerry actually won an All Ireland in that period, played Dublin close a similar number of times while never receiving a 2019 style hiding, always walked their province and regularly put 15 points on the type of teams Mayo were drawing with. Basically every year in that period Kerry went into the All Ireland race as 4/1 shots while Mayo were 8/1+, which tells you how the two teams were ranked at that time
We beat them in 2017 and got robbed in 2014 . We were better than Kerry circa 2012 -2017 in the overall context , most people's power rankings for them years would have it that way but unfortunately they smash and grabbed one and winners dictate the narrative oh and anti mayo Galway WANs like you of course .
Absolutely nobody had Mayo power ranked over Kerry in those years, as was evidenced as I said by the odds of that time. Kerry went off slight favorites to beat Dublin in the 2015 final. Mayo were never sub 3/1 to beat Dublin in any game throughout that period
You've cherrypicked 2012 there. Kerry hammered Mayo by 9 points in 2011, beat them in 2014 (after replay), Mayo won in 17 (again after replay) and Kerry absolutely devoured Mayo in 2019. So the head to head for that decade feels fairly conclusive in one direction. It's also 1 All Ireland to zero
Kerry were walking provincials and winning league titles while Mayo were staving off relegation, getting beaten by a very average Galway in Connacht in 3 consecutive years, and piddling through the easiest draw possible to get back to a final
It's hilarious you mention referee robbery when Aidan O'Shea had one of the most blatant dives of the decade to rob Fermanagh in a qualifier, while Mayo needed some very questionable decisions to bring Roscommon to ET a year later. Had either of those games been ref'd correctly Mayo wouldn't be even be in this conversation as they'd never have had the opportunity to have their moral victories (losses) against Dublin in the final
2012 to 2017 (hardly cherrypicking ) it was the era when when we won our semi final for the first time since 06 , we won five nestors on the bounce , we contested four all Ireland finals and competed in every single semi final in that said era , 12 beat dubs, 13 beat Tyrone , 14 lost to Cormac Reilly , 15 lost to dubs after a replay, 16 beat tipp , 17 beat Kerry .
All stars in said era .
2012: Ger Cafferkey (Full Back), Keith Higgins (Left-Corner Back), Lee Keegan (Right-Half Back), Alan Dillon (Centre-Half Forward).
2013: Keith Higgins (Left-Corner Back), Lee Keegan (Right-Half Back), Colm Boyle (Left-Half Back), Aiden O'Shea (Midfield).
2014: Keith Higgins (Left-Corner Back), Colm Boyle (Left-Half Back), Cillian O'Connor (Right-Corner Forward).
2015: Lee Keegan (Right-Half Back), Aiden O'Shea (Full Forward).
2016: David Clarke (Goalkeeper), Brendan Harrison (Right-Corner Back) Lee Keegan (Right-Half Back), Colm Boyle (Centre Half Back).
2017: David Clarke (Goalkeeper), Chris Barrett (Right-Corner Back), Keith Higgins (Left-Corner Back), Colm Boyle (Right-Half Back), Aidan O'Shea (Centre-Half Forward), Andy Moran (Left-Corner Forward).
There will be many debates on why and how with all sorts of opinions but yours is just nonsense. It won't ever be what they wanted to be remembered by but that era will never be equalled in the context of the greatest era for a county that didn't collect one . Unbelievable characters of true sporting resilience and we will always be very proud of their efforts in Mayo .
You've gone off on a complete tangent to something nobody is talking about. The argument was who is the second best team of that decade, a long long way behind Dublin in first. The common narrative is that it was Mayo. Ive pointed out how the results of that decade simply don't stack up that argument, having had countless times when Mayo were bang average. Playing Dublin close a few times doesn't automatically grant you that spot, when Kerry also played Dublin close a few times, never lost or drew to the bad teams Mayo did, and actually won an All Ireland
Your dates are cherrypicked because they convieniently ignore a year previous when Kerry hammered a Mayo who'd the same players and management team as the years after, and ignores the same team in 2019 who got annihilated by Kerry and Dublin. Those two counties don't tend to need to cherrypick years.
Even if we stick with 2012-2017, im sure some Donegal man could come along and claim they were better than Mayo for that period, given that they beat Mayo comfortably in a final and stopped what wouldve been an eventual 8 in a row in 2014. There's a very far cry from Gilroys Dublin in 2012 who were beating Laois, Wexford and Meath by 3 points each and Jim Gavins version in 2014 who were beating those teams by 20
Lastly, seriously give up the Cormac Reilly stuff. Kerry won that extra time by 3 full points. Is it any wonder McStay gets humiliated online for having basic comments about Clifford. It goes back to Mayo fans whinging about every final loss, Pat McEneaney getting death threats after 1996, Mayo Mick in Limerick in 2014, the abuse Joe McQuillan got after a final with the Dubs. It's a terrible look thats given Mayo fans a bad name
Ok if you say so .
Everbody have their opinion, but to me Mayo was the 2nd best team to Dublin over the 2013-18 period. Kerry played Dublin in one of the worst finals ever, and tried to keep the score down scoring only 8pts.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 02, 2025, 07:28:30 PMEverbody have their opinion, but to me Mayo was the 2nd best team to Dublin over the 2013-18 period.
I agree with the above. There was never a time we played Dublin and I felt Mayo were going to push on here and win.
Dublin were the best team of a millennia. Sometimes you are just not good enough - but you could never fault that Mayo team for determination and effort.
The GAA fraternity don't hold much weight for failed contenders and their media revel in the ridicule.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 02, 2025, 09:36:57 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 02, 2025, 07:28:30 PMEverbody have their opinion, but to me Mayo was the 2nd best team to Dublin over the 2013-18 period.
I agree with the above. There was never a time we played Dublin and I felt Mayo were going to push on here and win.
Dublin were the best team of a millennia. Sometimes you are just not good enough - but you could never fault that Mayo team for determination and effort.
The GAA fraternity don't hold much weight for failed contenders and their media revel in the ridicule.
When keegan hit the net in 2017 into the hill , i genuinely believed we were going to win the all Ireland . Anyway it's all done now
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 02, 2025, 07:28:30 PMEverbody have their opinion, but to me Mayo was the 2nd best team to Dublin over the 2013-18 period. Kerry played Dublin in one of the worst finals ever, and tried to keep the score down scoring only 8pts.
Agreed... Manning18, hope you're better craic on a night out ;D
Quote from: JoG2 on April 02, 2025, 09:46:07 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 02, 2025, 07:28:30 PMEverbody have their opinion, but to me Mayo was the 2nd best team to Dublin over the 2013-18 period. Kerry played Dublin in one of the worst finals ever, and tried to keep the score down scoring only 8pts.
Agreed... Manning18, hope you're better craic on a night out ;D
Ah I get get vexed about the odd false narrative! Better than sitting in sheets of tinfoil complaining about old referees
I was at that 2015 final, suitably pissed. Shite game but probably the worst conditions for any final in memory
Quote from: Manning18 on April 04, 2025, 07:45:37 AMQuote from: JoG2 on April 02, 2025, 09:46:07 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 02, 2025, 07:28:30 PMEverbody have their opinion, but to me Mayo was the 2nd best team to Dublin over the 2013-18 period. Kerry played Dublin in one of the worst finals ever, and tried to keep the score down scoring only 8pts.
Agreed... Manning18, hope you're better craic on a night out ;D
Ah I get get vexed about the odd false narrative! Better than sitting in sheets of tinfoil complaining about old referees
I was at that 2015 final, suitably pissed. Shite game but probably the worst conditions for any final in memory
;D.. We absolutely do!
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 01, 2025, 12:00:27 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on March 31, 2025, 11:41:51 PMOnly Mayo and Donegal had beat Dubljn in that period, Kerry and Tyrone won all-Irelands cause Mayo knocked Dublin out, you should be thankful for them.
Agree 100% not a hope Tyrone would have beaten Dublin in the 2021 All Ireland if Mayo hadn't have beaten them.
Ultimately we will never know if Tyrone would have beaten Dublin in 2021 as they didn't get to play them. However, the Dubs of 2021 were miles off the level of previous years. They were extremely unconvincing in Leinster and Meath - who weren't a vintage team at all - would have beaten them if they had realised earlier they were playing a much reduced Dublin side. Mayo eventually clocked that themselves in the semi and got the win, but that was a Dublin side asking to be put out of it's misery.
Mayo I suspect got a little carried away themselves - plenty of their fans did (and you can see why given their struggles against much better Dublin sides in previous years) and read too much into a win against a side not near firing on all cylinders. Even sub consciously they mistakenly thought the hard work was done. In the end they didn't have enough for a Tyrone side who had taken a tougher route to the final.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on April 04, 2025, 11:12:04 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 01, 2025, 12:00:27 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on March 31, 2025, 11:41:51 PMOnly Mayo and Donegal had beat Dubljn in that period, Kerry and Tyrone won all-Irelands cause Mayo knocked Dublin out, you should be thankful for them.
Agree 100% not a hope Tyrone would have beaten Dublin in the 2021 All Ireland if Mayo hadn't have beaten them.
Ultimately we will never know if Tyrone would have beaten Dublin in 2021 as they didn't get to play them. However, the Dubs of 2021 were miles off the level of previous years. They were extremely unconvincing in Leinster and Meath - who weren't a vintage team at all - would have beaten them if they had realised earlier they were playing a much reduced Dublin side. Mayo eventually clocked that themselves in the semi and got the win, but that was a Dublin side asking to be put out of it's misery.
Mayo I suspect got a little carried away themselves - plenty of their fans did (and you can see why given their struggles against much better Dublin sides in previous years) and read too much into a win against a side not near firing on all cylinders. Even sub consciously they mistakenly thought the hard work was done. In the end they didn't have enough for a Tyrone side who had taken a tougher route to the final.
Possibly some people got a bit carried away after beating Dublin, but the reality is Mayo never reached a consistent level that year.
They were poor in first half v Galway and first half v Dublin but upped it significantly in second half of both games to win.
Against Tyrone, they never really had a purple patch - and missed too many easy chances when they came along.