Sunday 3rd Nov 2024
2024 Ulster GAA Football Senior Club Championship Round 1
Errigal Ciaran v St Eunan's
Venue: O'Neills Healy Park, Omagh - Referee: TBC
Sunday 10th Nov 2024
2024 Ulster GAA Football Senior Club Championship Quarter Final 1
Erne Gaels v Scotstown
Venue: Brewster Park - Referee: TBC
2024 Ulster GAA Football Senior Club Championship Quarter Final 2
Kilcoo v Crosserlough
Venue: Páirc Esler, Newry - Referee: TBC
2024 Ulster GAA Football Senior Club Championship Quarter Final 3
Newbridge v Clann Éireann
Venue: TBC - Referee: TBC
Armagh SFC at QF stage this weekend:
Cullyhanna v Crossmaglen
Clan na Gael v Killeavy
Armagh Harps v Clann Éireann
Madden v Mullaghbawn
Quote from: general_lee on September 16, 2024, 11:38:47 AMArmagh SFC at QF stage this weekend:
Cullyhanna v Crossmaglen
Clan na Gael v Killeavy
Armagh Harps v Clann Éireann
Madden v Mullaghbawn
Should be 4 decent games, Cross and Cullyhanna in particular will get a big crowd in. looking at the Ulster draw though none will get near Glen.
Cavan SFC Quarter-finals on this coming weekend:
Ballyhaise vs Gowna
Mullahoran vs Cavan Gaels
Ramor United vs Castlerahan
Crosserlough vs Ballinagh
3 repeat pairings from the group stages which is a bit annoying. Gowna are reigning double champions but were honestly poor at times and scraped in from the group. Ballyhaise beat them in it, yet will be underdogs here as they've done this before by timing their run. Ramor and Crosserlough should win too. Mullahoran beat Cavan Gaels first day out, yet will be slight underdogs here too possibly. Although they've a lot of young talent coming in and they come back to their usual Senior strength and may well nab this one again.
Tyrone SFC at QF stage this weekend:
Carrickmore v Killyclogher
Dungannon v Loughmacrory
Trillick v Ardboe
Errigal Ciaran v Clonoe
Quote from: general_lee on September 16, 2024, 11:37:31 AMSunday 3rd Nov 2024
2024 Ulster GAA Football Senior Club Championship Round 1
Tyrone v Donegal
Venue: O'Neills Healy Park, Omagh - Referee: TBC
Sunday 10th Nov 2024
2024 Ulster GAA Football Senior Club Championship Quarter Final 1
Fermanagh v Monaghan
Venue: Brewster Park - Referee: TBC
2024 Ulster GAA Football Senior Club Championship Quarter Final 2
Down v Cavan
Venue: Páirc Esler, Newry - Referee: TBC
2024 Ulster GAA Football Senior Club Championship Quarter Final 3
Derry v Armagh
Venue: TBC - Referee: TBC
Presume Antrim champs playing winners of Tyrone/Donegal on the 10th as well?
One of the big two will be out of the championship in Donegal this weekend.
Quarter final draw
Glenswilly v Dungloe
Naomh Conaill v St.Eunans
Kilcar v St.Michaels
Gaoth Dobhair v Four Masters
Down are at the semi final stage.
Carryduff v Burren
Kilcoo v Glenn
Quote from: Dreadnought on September 16, 2024, 01:50:08 PMCavan SFC Quarter-finals on this coming weekend:
Ballyhaise vs Gowna
Mullahoran vs Cavan Gaels
Ramor United vs Castlerahan
Crosserlough vs Ballinagh
3 repeat pairings from the group stages which is a bit annoying. Gowna are reigning double champions but were honestly poor at times and scraped in from the group. Ballyhaise beat them in it, yet will be underdogs here as they've done this before by timing their run. Ramor and Crosserlough should win too. Mullahoran beat Cavan Gaels first day out, yet will be slight underdogs here too possibly. Although they've a lot of young talent coming in and they come back to their usual Senior strength and may well nab this one again.
Ramor big favourites but I wouldn't necessarily rule out Castlerahan.
They've shown glimpses of form in the group stages; Ramor stuttered a bit too.
Albeit Ramor with tougher draw than Castlerahan in the groups.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on September 17, 2024, 09:40:56 AMQuote from: Dreadnought on September 16, 2024, 01:50:08 PMCavan SFC Quarter-finals on this coming weekend:
Ballyhaise vs Gowna
Mullahoran vs Cavan Gaels
Ramor United vs Castlerahan
Crosserlough vs Ballinagh
3 repeat pairings from the group stages which is a bit annoying. Gowna are reigning double champions but were honestly poor at times and scraped in from the group. Ballyhaise beat them in it, yet will be underdogs here as they've done this before by timing their run. Ramor and Crosserlough should win too. Mullahoran beat Cavan Gaels first day out, yet will be slight underdogs here too possibly. Although they've a lot of young talent coming in and they come back to their usual Senior strength and may well nab this one again.
Ramor big favourites but I wouldn't necessarily rule out Castlerahan.
They've shown glimpses of form in the group stages; Ramor stuttered a bit too.
Albeit Ramor with tougher draw than Castlerahan in the groups.
Ramor with any bit of form should be walking this. Castlerahan got a very very easy draw compared to some others as you say, beating a Laragh side the other week who didn't even bother to turn up as they couldn't get through. ramor for me win this one. Their backs and defence are very tough to get by. castlerahan have shown no lines of form against a top side
Quote from: Dreadnought on September 17, 2024, 10:26:17 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on September 17, 2024, 09:40:56 AMQuote from: Dreadnought on September 16, 2024, 01:50:08 PMCavan SFC Quarter-finals on this coming weekend:
Ballyhaise vs Gowna
Mullahoran vs Cavan Gaels
Ramor United vs Castlerahan
Crosserlough vs Ballinagh
3 repeat pairings from the group stages which is a bit annoying. Gowna are reigning double champions but were honestly poor at times and scraped in from the group. Ballyhaise beat them in it, yet will be underdogs here as they've done this before by timing their run. Ramor and Crosserlough should win too. Mullahoran beat Cavan Gaels first day out, yet will be slight underdogs here too possibly. Although they've a lot of young talent coming in and they come back to their usual Senior strength and may well nab this one again.
Ramor big favourites but I wouldn't necessarily rule out Castlerahan.
They've shown glimpses of form in the group stages; Ramor stuttered a bit too.
Albeit Ramor with tougher draw than Castlerahan in the groups.
Ramor with any bit of form should be walking this. Castlerahan got a very very easy draw compared to some others as you say, beating a Laragh side the other week who didn't even bother to turn up as they couldn't get through. ramor for me win this one. Their backs and defence are very tough to get by. castlerahan have shown no lines of form against a top side
I'm just playing devils advocate and trying to make a case for Castelrahan.
By all accounts they were alot better than the scoreline suggested against Killygary and were beaten by a last minute goal v Ballyhaise.
I'd be going for a 4 or 5 point win for Ramor but just wouldnt have it as a foregone conclusion.
In comparison it's very hard to make any case for Ballinagh v Crosserlough.
Quote from: Sheedy on September 17, 2024, 07:39:21 AMDown are at the semi final stage.
Carryduff v Burren
Kilcoo v Glenn
Kilcoo unlikely to be toppled?
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on September 17, 2024, 12:32:24 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on September 17, 2024, 10:26:17 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on September 17, 2024, 09:40:56 AMQuote from: Dreadnought on September 16, 2024, 01:50:08 PMCavan SFC Quarter-finals on this coming weekend:
Ballyhaise vs Gowna
Mullahoran vs Cavan Gaels
Ramor United vs Castlerahan
Crosserlough vs Ballinagh
3 repeat pairings from the group stages which is a bit annoying. Gowna are reigning double champions but were honestly poor at times and scraped in from the group. Ballyhaise beat them in it, yet will be underdogs here as they've done this before by timing their run. Ramor and Crosserlough should win too. Mullahoran beat Cavan Gaels first day out, yet will be slight underdogs here too possibly. Although they've a lot of young talent coming in and they come back to their usual Senior strength and may well nab this one again.
Ramor big favourites but I wouldn't necessarily rule out Castlerahan.
They've shown glimpses of form in the group stages; Ramor stuttered a bit too.
Albeit Ramor with tougher draw than Castlerahan in the groups.
Ramor with any bit of form should be walking this. Castlerahan got a very very easy draw compared to some others as you say, beating a Laragh side the other week who didn't even bother to turn up as they couldn't get through. ramor for me win this one. Their backs and defence are very tough to get by. castlerahan have shown no lines of form against a top side
I'm just playing devils advocate and trying to make a case for Castelrahan.
By all accounts they were alot better than the scoreline suggested against Killygary and were beaten by a last minute goal v Ballyhaise.
I'd be going for a 4 or 5 point win for Ramor but just wouldnt have it as a foregone conclusion.
In comparison it's very hard to make any case for Ballinagh v Crosserlough.
Yeah fair enough alright. Indeed, Crosserlough will walk it. Although they've not been tested either
Quote from: Dreadnought on September 17, 2024, 02:26:34 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on September 17, 2024, 12:32:24 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on September 17, 2024, 10:26:17 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on September 17, 2024, 09:40:56 AMQuote from: Dreadnought on September 16, 2024, 01:50:08 PMCavan SFC Quarter-finals on this coming weekend:
Ballyhaise vs Gowna
Mullahoran vs Cavan Gaels
Ramor United vs Castlerahan
Crosserlough vs Ballinagh
3 repeat pairings from the group stages which is a bit annoying. Gowna are reigning double champions but were honestly poor at times and scraped in from the group. Ballyhaise beat them in it, yet will be underdogs here as they've done this before by timing their run. Ramor and Crosserlough should win too. Mullahoran beat Cavan Gaels first day out, yet will be slight underdogs here too possibly. Although they've a lot of young talent coming in and they come back to their usual Senior strength and may well nab this one again.
Ramor big favourites but I wouldn't necessarily rule out Castlerahan.
They've shown glimpses of form in the group stages; Ramor stuttered a bit too.
Albeit Ramor with tougher draw than Castlerahan in the groups.
Ramor with any bit of form should be walking this. Castlerahan got a very very easy draw compared to some others as you say, beating a Laragh side the other week who didn't even bother to turn up as they couldn't get through. ramor for me win this one. Their backs and defence are very tough to get by. castlerahan have shown no lines of form against a top side
I'm just playing devils advocate and trying to make a case for Castelrahan.
By all accounts they were alot better than the scoreline suggested against Killygary and were beaten by a last minute goal v Ballyhaise.
I'd be going for a 4 or 5 point win for Ramor but just wouldnt have it as a foregone conclusion.
In comparison it's very hard to make any case for Ballinagh v Crosserlough.
Yeah fair enough alright. Indeed, Crosserlough will walk it. Although they've not been tested either
True they were caught badly last year after a similar run.
Quote from: general_lee on September 17, 2024, 02:24:12 PMQuote from: Sheedy on September 17, 2024, 07:39:21 AMDown are at the semi final stage.
Carryduff v Burren
Kilcoo v Glenn
Kilcoo unlikely to be toppled?
they're obviously strong favourites to win it again, no disrespect to Glenn but kilcoo will have too much for them in the semi, but the final against carryduff or burren should be a close contest. All smart money on kilcoo again though.
Ulster Club is a great competition...For years Crossmaglen were top dogs, Tyrone and Derry have been consistently strong and by the looks of things will continue this way. Kilkoo in Down are so hard to beat and a great side. Donegal and Monaghan are usually strong too so in reality Ulster winners are not easily predicted.
Unfortunately IMO the tried and tested will come out on top again with either Glenn or Kilkoo as Ulster winners, I hope i'm wrong. Would love to see someone new make the break through...Carryduff maybe?
Quote from: illdecide on September 18, 2024, 09:57:45 AMUlster Club is a great competition...For years Crossmaglen were top dogs, Tyrone and Derry have been consistently strong and by the looks of things will continue this way. Kilkoo in Down are so hard to beat and a great side. Donegal and Monaghan are usually strong too so in reality Ulster winners are not easily predicted.
Unfortunately IMO the tried and tested will come out on top again with either Glenn or Kilkoo as Ulster winners, I hope i'm wrong. Would love to see someone new make the break through...Carryduff maybe?
Tyrone Clubs have a terrible record in this competition nearly as bad as my own county Cavan.
Is Karl Lacey still over Kilcoo?
The highlight of last years Ulster Club
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on September 18, 2024, 10:05:06 AMQuote from: illdecide on September 18, 2024, 09:57:45 AMUlster Club is a great competition...For years Crossmaglen were top dogs, Tyrone and Derry have been consistently strong and by the looks of things will continue this way. Kilkoo in Down are so hard to beat and a great side. Donegal and Monaghan are usually strong too so in reality Ulster winners are not easily predicted.
Unfortunately IMO the tried and tested will come out on top again with either Glenn or Kilkoo as Ulster winners, I hope i'm wrong. Would love to see someone new make the break through...Carryduff maybe?
Tyrone Clubs have a terrible record in this competition nearly as bad as my own county Cavan.
Is Karl Lacey still over Kilcoo?
What? Tyrone have the best club championship in Ireland sure!
Anyone take a stab at each county winner?
Antrim - Cargin
Armagh - Clann Éireann
Cavan - Ballyhaise
Derry - Glen
Donegal - Naomh Conaill
Down - Kilcoo
Fermanagh - Enniskillen Gaels
Monaghan - Scotstown
Tyrone - Errigal
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on September 18, 2024, 10:05:06 AMQuote from: illdecide on September 18, 2024, 09:57:45 AMUlster Club is a great competition...For years Crossmaglen were top dogs, Tyrone and Derry have been consistently strong and by the looks of things will continue this way. Kilkoo in Down are so hard to beat and a great side. Donegal and Monaghan are usually strong too so in reality Ulster winners are not easily predicted.
Unfortunately IMO the tried and tested will come out on top again with either Glenn or Kilkoo as Ulster winners, I hope i'm wrong. Would love to see someone new make the break through...Carryduff maybe?
Tyrone Clubs have a terrible record in this competition nearly as bad as my own county Cavan.
Is Karl Lacey still over Kilcoo?
Agreed, but they're quality sides and should be doing better. Why do they under perform in Ulster? or maybe that's their level and I think they're better than they actually are.
Quote from: general_lee on September 18, 2024, 10:12:11 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on September 18, 2024, 10:05:06 AMQuote from: illdecide on September 18, 2024, 09:57:45 AMUlster Club is a great competition...For years Crossmaglen were top dogs, Tyrone and Derry have been consistently strong and by the looks of things will continue this way. Kilkoo in Down are so hard to beat and a great side. Donegal and Monaghan are usually strong too so in reality Ulster winners are not easily predicted.
Unfortunately IMO the tried and tested will come out on top again with either Glenn or Kilkoo as Ulster winners, I hope i'm wrong. Would love to see someone new make the break through...Carryduff maybe?
Tyrone Clubs have a terrible record in this competition nearly as bad as my own county Cavan.
Is Karl Lacey still over Kilcoo?
What? Tyrone have the best club championship in Ireland sure!
Anyone take a stab at each county winner?
Antrim - Cargin - Agree
Armagh - Clann Éireann - Certainly have the players but a wee bit soft on the under belly for me (always have been)
Cavan - Ballyhaise - Castlerahan maybe?
Derry - Glen - Agree
Donegal - Naomh Conaill - Kilcar
Down - Kilcoo - Agreed but hoping Carryduff or Burren do it
Fermanagh - Enniskillen Gaels - Agree
Monaghan - Scotstown - Agreed but Clontibret should be there abouts
Tyrone - Errigal - Agree
Derry are the Club football Kingpins see stats below; their ability to keep producing strong club sides when others fall off is incredible and nearly all from the football stronghold of south Derry arguably the strongest football area in the country
Ulster Club winners & Nr of clubs
Derry 17 from 8 Clubs
Armagh 15 from 3 Clubs
Down 9 from 3 clubs
Monaghan 6 from 2 clubs
Antrim 4 from 2 clubs
Donegal 2 from 2 clubs
Tyrone 2 from 1 club
Cavan 0 from 0 clubs
Fermangh 0 from 0 clubs
Quote from: illdecide on September 18, 2024, 10:12:58 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on September 18, 2024, 10:05:06 AMQuote from: illdecide on September 18, 2024, 09:57:45 AMUlster Club is a great competition...For years Crossmaglen were top dogs, Tyrone and Derry have been consistently strong and by the looks of things will continue this way. Kilkoo in Down are so hard to beat and a great side. Donegal and Monaghan are usually strong too so in reality Ulster winners are not easily predicted.
Unfortunately IMO the tried and tested will come out on top again with either Glenn or Kilkoo as Ulster winners, I hope i'm wrong. Would love to see someone new make the break through...Carryduff maybe?
Tyrone Clubs have a terrible record in this competition nearly as bad as my own county Cavan.
Is Karl Lacey still over Kilcoo?
Agreed, but they're quality sides and should be doing better. Why do they under perform in Ulster? or maybe that's their level and I think they're better than they actually are.
Tyrone teams aren't able to plan for Ulster, winning Tyrone is a job in itself, tapering and repeat opportunities being big components, if a team in Tyrone won 13 county titles in a row I'm sure they'd have converted a couple to Ulster success, at times in other counties the county champions season was only starting with the first round of Ulster
That Darren Hughes hit on Brannigan surely was a thing of beauty, and the winning of the game
Footnote neither Scotstown or Kilcoo won Ulster last year, so they both must be shite
Quote from: illdecide on September 18, 2024, 10:22:28 AMQuote from: general_lee on September 18, 2024, 10:12:11 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on September 18, 2024, 10:05:06 AMQuote from: illdecide on September 18, 2024, 09:57:45 AMUlster Club is a great competition...For years Crossmaglen were top dogs, Tyrone and Derry have been consistently strong and by the looks of things will continue this way. Kilkoo in Down are so hard to beat and a great side. Donegal and Monaghan are usually strong too so in reality Ulster winners are not easily predicted.
Unfortunately IMO the tried and tested will come out on top again with either Glenn or Kilkoo as Ulster winners, I hope i'm wrong. Would love to see someone new make the break through...Carryduff maybe?
Tyrone Clubs have a terrible record in this competition nearly as bad as my own county Cavan.
Is Karl Lacey still over Kilcoo?
What? Tyrone have the best club championship in Ireland sure!
Anyone take a stab at each county winner?
Antrim - Cargin - Agree
Armagh - Clann Éireann - Certainly have the players but a wee bit soft on the under belly for me (always have been)
Cavan - Ballyhaise - Castlerahan maybe?
Derry - Glen - Agree
Donegal - Naomh Conaill - Kilcar
Down - Kilcoo - Agreed but hoping Carryduff or Burren do it
Fermanagh - Enniskillen Gaels - Agree
Monaghan - Scotstown - Agreed but Clontibret should be there abouts
Tyrone - Errigal - Agree
Ballyhaise or Castlerahan highly unlikely to win the Cavan chamopionship; 6th and 7th favourites with the bookies respectively.
Winners likely to come form Gowna or Crosserlough; with Ramor capable of dogging out a championship as 3rd favourites.
Quote from: tiempo on September 18, 2024, 10:30:07 AMQuote from: illdecide on September 18, 2024, 10:12:58 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on September 18, 2024, 10:05:06 AMQuote from: illdecide on September 18, 2024, 09:57:45 AMUlster Club is a great competition...For years Crossmaglen were top dogs, Tyrone and Derry have been consistently strong and by the looks of things will continue this way. Kilkoo in Down are so hard to beat and a great side. Donegal and Monaghan are usually strong too so in reality Ulster winners are not easily predicted.
Unfortunately IMO the tried and tested will come out on top again with either Glenn or Kilkoo as Ulster winners, I hope i'm wrong. Would love to see someone new make the break through...Carryduff maybe?
Tyrone Clubs have a terrible record in this competition nearly as bad as my own county Cavan.
Is Karl Lacey still over Kilcoo?
Agreed, but they're quality sides and should be doing better. Why do they under perform in Ulster? or maybe that's their level and I think they're better than they actually are.
Tyrone teams aren't able to plan for Ulster, winning Tyrone is a job in itself, tapering and repeat opportunities being big components, if a team in Tyrone won 13 county titles in a row I'm sure they'd have converted a couple to Ulster success, at times in other counties the county champions season was only starting with the first round of Ulster
That Darren Hughes hit on Brannigan surely was a thing of beauty, and the winning of the game
Footnote neither Scotstown or Kilcoo won Ulster last year, so they both must be shite
As Tyrone is a knockout championship you now only need to win 4 games in Tyrone to win it.
That's the lowest of any county in Ulster.
Having watched Tyrone club championship it's nothing to do with tapering.
All Tyrone senior clubs are around the same level.
That makes it a very competitive championship but it's short on quality.
That's the reason they can't cut it at Ulster club level in the senior championship
It's also the reason they do so well at intermediate and senior
At those levels their club championships are well ahead of other counties at that level.
Quote from: WT4E on September 16, 2024, 03:49:18 PMTyrone SFC at QF stage this weekend:
Carrickmore v Killyclogher
Dungannon v Loughmacrory
Trillick v Ardboe
Errigal Ciaran v Clonoe
Just an insight into the Tyrone last 8 IMHO
Expecting an Errigal V Dungannon final.
Loughmacrory are a young side and have plenty of quality in the younger members but I think they will lack the experience to get past Dungannon (An upset isvery possible). Killyclogher Carrickmore is a flip of the coin but I don't think either have enough to win it - Carrickmore where previously kingpins but are now going through their longest drought in history I believe.
On the Errigal side they really only have Trillick to negogiate and I think they will as back to back Tyrone titles are virtually impossible and I don;t think Trillick are anywhere near the form of last year.
Errigal to go into Ulster for me.
Quote from: WT4E on September 18, 2024, 10:52:16 AMJust an insight into the Tyrone last 8 IMHO
Expecting an Errigal V Dungannon final.
Loughmacrory are a young side and have plenty of quality in the younger members but I think they will lack the experience to get past Dungannon (An upset isvery possible). Killyclogher Carrickmore is a flip of the coin but I don't think either have enough to win it - Carrickmore where previously kingpins but are now going through their longest drought in history I believe.
On the Errigal side they really only have Trillick to negogiate and I think they will as back to back Tyrone titles are virtually impossible and I don;t think Trillick are anywhere near the form of last year.
Errigal to go into Ulster for me.
The years between 1979 to 1995 was their previous drought and now it's 2005 to ?. can mind being at the 1995 Final which was played in Coalisland a week before Christmas Eve, and there was some celebrations done by Carrickmore back then at the final whistle. Imagine what it would be like now.
Quote from: WT4E on September 18, 2024, 10:52:16 AMQuote from: WT4E on September 16, 2024, 03:49:18 PMTyrone SFC at QF stage this weekend:
Carrickmore v Killyclogher
Dungannon v Loughmacrory
Trillick v Ardboe
Errigal Ciaran v Clonoe
Just an insight into the Tyrone last 8 IMHO
Expecting an Errigal V Dungannon final.
Loughmacrory are a young side and have plenty of quality in the younger members but I think they will lack the experience to get past Dungannon (An upset isvery possible). Killyclogher Carrickmore is a flip of the coin but I don't think either have enough to win it - Carrickmore where previously kingpins but are now going through their longest drought in history I believe.
On the Errigal side they really only have Trillick to negogiate and I think they will as back to back Tyrone titles are virtually impossible and I don;t think Trillick are anywhere near the form of last year.
Errigal to go into Ulster for me.
I'm confused what you mean here? You say Errigal only have to get past Trillick but you predicted a Dungannon - Errigal final. That can't happen considering Errigal are on one side of the draw and Trillick & Dungannon are on the other
Quote from: tiempo on September 18, 2024, 10:30:07 AMQuote from: illdecide on September 18, 2024, 10:12:58 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on September 18, 2024, 10:05:06 AMQuote from: illdecide on September 18, 2024, 09:57:45 AMUlster Club is a great competition...For years Crossmaglen were top dogs, Tyrone and Derry have been consistently strong and by the looks of things will continue this way. Kilkoo in Down are so hard to beat and a great side. Donegal and Monaghan are usually strong too so in reality Ulster winners are not easily predicted.
Unfortunately IMO the tried and tested will come out on top again with either Glenn or Kilkoo as Ulster winners, I hope i'm wrong. Would love to see someone new make the break through...Carryduff maybe?
Tyrone Clubs have a terrible record in this competition nearly as bad as my own county Cavan.
Is Karl Lacey still over Kilcoo?
Agreed, but they're quality sides and should be doing better. Why do they under perform in Ulster? or maybe that's their level and I think they're better than they actually are.
Tyrone teams aren't able to plan for Ulster, winning Tyrone is a job in itself, tapering and repeat opportunities being big components, if a team in Tyrone won 13 county titles in a row I'm sure they'd have converted a couple to Ulster success, at times in other counties the county champions season was only starting with the first round of Ulster
That Darren Hughes hit on Brannigan surely was a thing of beauty, and the winning of the game
Footnote neither Scotstown or Kilcoo won Ulster last year, so they both must be shite
Nonsense, honestly, who at this stage is 'planning for Ulster' and not fully focused on the county club championship?? While the Tyrone club's have a smattering of top class players, the teams aren't good enough for Ulster. Absolutely nothing to do with having to win Tyrone. Surely straight knock out and far less games has Tyrone teams going into Ulster more tuned into 'battles', while more rested than many?
The likes of Kilcoo and Glen would tailor their training towards Ulster. Not necessarily talked about but in their minds eyes they are. Doesn't mean they are not focusing on the county championship but generally they are capable of winning these while not at full pace. We used to be able to do that but not anymore.
The Tyrone question is annual at this stage. I'm not so sure that it is as hard to win as peoples suggest. The straight knock out is the hardest part of it. The irony is that we were at our most dominant when Armagh was straight knock out. I just think that all the teams from top intermediate straight through to senior winners are at a similar level. Each capable of winning on any given day and each liable to lose. It's just very even.
I personally love the annual Tyrone/Ulster Champo debate, it's what's i tune in for
Ps it's been a couple of weeks since it's been mentioned as the toughest Cship to win in Ulster , someone's slacking somewhere 🤓
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 18, 2024, 12:22:42 PMThe likes of Kilcoo and Glen would tailor their training towards Ulster. Not necessarily talked about but in their minds eyes they are. Doesn't mean they are not focusing on the county championship but generally they are capable of winning these while not at full pace. We used to be able to do that but not anymore.
The Tyrone question is annual at this stage. I'm not so sure that it is as hard to win as peoples suggest. The straight knock out is the hardest part of it. The irony is that we were at our most dominant when Armagh was straight knock out. I just think that all the teams from top intermediate straight through to senior winners are at a similar level. Each capable of winning on any given day and each liable to lose. It's just very even.
Kilcoo are into the Down semi finals and haven't had even close to their full team out yet. Their strength in depth is staggering.
Quote from: thebigfullforward on September 18, 2024, 12:00:09 PMQuote from: WT4E on September 18, 2024, 10:52:16 AMQuote from: WT4E on September 16, 2024, 03:49:18 PMTyrone SFC at QF stage this weekend:
Carrickmore v Killyclogher
Dungannon v Loughmacrory
Trillick v Ardboe
Errigal Ciaran v Clonoe
Just an insight into the Tyrone last 8 IMHO
Expecting an Errigal V Dungannon final.
Loughmacrory are a young side and have plenty of quality in the younger members but I think they will lack the experience to get past Dungannon (An upset isvery possible). Killyclogher Carrickmore is a flip of the coin but I don't think either have enough to win it - Carrickmore where previously kingpins but are now going through their longest drought in history I believe.
On the Errigal side they really only have Trillick to negogiate and I think they will as back to back Tyrone titles are virtually impossible and I don;t think Trillick are anywhere near the form of last year.
Errigal to go into Ulster for me.
I'm confused what you mean here? You say Errigal only have to get past Trillick but you predicted a Dungannon - Errigal final. That can't happen considering Errigal are on one side of the draw and Trillick & Dungannon are on the other
I'm open to correction but I believe winners of Errigal Clonoe play winners of Trillick Ardboe?
Quote from: WT4E on September 18, 2024, 01:42:18 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on September 18, 2024, 12:00:09 PMQuote from: WT4E on September 18, 2024, 10:52:16 AMQuote from: WT4E on September 16, 2024, 03:49:18 PMTyrone SFC at QF stage this weekend:
Carrickmore v Killyclogher
Dungannon v Loughmacrory
Trillick v Ardboe
Errigal Ciaran v Clonoe
Just an insight into the Tyrone last 8 IMHO
Expecting an Errigal V Dungannon final.
Loughmacrory are a young side and have plenty of quality in the younger members but I think they will lack the experience to get past Dungannon (An upset isvery possible). Killyclogher Carrickmore is a flip of the coin but I don't think either have enough to win it - Carrickmore where previously kingpins but are now going through their longest drought in history I believe.
On the Errigal side they really only have Trillick to negogiate and I think they will as back to back Tyrone titles are virtually impossible and I don;t think Trillick are anywhere near the form of last year.
Errigal to go into Ulster for me.
I'm confused what you mean here? You say Errigal only have to get past Trillick but you predicted a Dungannon - Errigal final. That can't happen considering Errigal are on one side of the draw and Trillick & Dungannon are on the other
I'm open to correction but I believe winners of Errigal Clonoe play winners of Trillick Ardboe?
Just checked that i'm wrong.
Still fancy and Errigal v Dungannon final. Dungannon to beat Lough and take care of Trillick. Errigal to beat Clonoe and then beat whatever comes through the other QF.
Would Kilcoo or Glen win back to back Tyrone titles? Still think it comes down to successive success in your county enabling your team to navigate Ulster.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on September 18, 2024, 12:38:37 PMI personally love the annual Tyrone/Ulster Champo debate, it's what's i tune in for
Ps it's been a couple of weeks since it's been mentioned as the toughest Cship to win in Ulster , someone's slacking somewhere 🤓
The newbies on the Tyrone thread mustn't got the memo personal insults and insulting clubs is more the way to go by look of things!
Quote from: WT4E on September 18, 2024, 01:45:55 PMWould Kilcoo or Glen win back to back Tyrone titles? Still think it comes down to successive success in your county enabling your team to navigate Ulster.
Plenty of Derry teams have won ulster after their first county title in years. Ballinderry 2001, Slaughtneil 2014 , the Loup 2003, Dungiven 1997 all spring to mind. Even Glen had only won 2 county titles when they won it.
Quote from: Mario on September 18, 2024, 02:35:37 PMQuote from: WT4E on September 18, 2024, 01:45:55 PMWould Kilcoo or Glen win back to back Tyrone titles? Still think it comes down to successive success in your county enabling your team to navigate Ulster.
Plenty of Derry teams have won ulster after their first county title in years. Ballinderry 2001, Slaughtneil 2014 , the Loup 2003, Dungiven 1997 all spring to mind. Even Glen had only won 2 county titles when they won it.
How many clubs are there in Derry? and 8 of them have won Ulster.
Thats I'm guessing 20% of their clubs roughly speaking.
55 iterations of the ulster senior club and Derry have won 17; nearly one third.
Quote from: WT4E on September 18, 2024, 01:45:55 PMWould Kilcoo or Glen win back to back Tyrone titles? Still think it comes down to successive success in your county enabling your team to navigate Ulster.
Yes
Quote from: WT4E on September 18, 2024, 01:45:55 PMWould Kilcoo or Glen win back to back Tyrone titles? Still think it comes down to successive success in your county enabling your team to navigate Ulster.
Kilcoo wouldn't win one in a row in Tyrone, Glen prolly would
So when the best of the rest knockout the the Tyrone champions year on year, they wouldn't win a Tyrone Championship.
I'm not sure now if this is a joke or serious every year since the 70's ;D
Quote from: tiempo on September 19, 2024, 08:35:32 AMQuote from: WT4E on September 18, 2024, 01:45:55 PMWould Kilcoo or Glen win back to back Tyrone titles? Still think it comes down to successive success in your county enabling your team to navigate Ulster.
Kilcoo wouldn't win one in a row in Tyrone, Glen prolly would
Indeed, anyone of the 28 teams who could win Tyrone in a given year would put manners on them
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2024/0918/1470730-extra-man-claim-throws-antrim-sfc-into-controversy/ (https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2024/0918/1470730-extra-man-claim-throws-antrim-sfc-into-controversy/)
A bit of a shambles in Antrim, again.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 19, 2024, 08:50:49 AMSo when the best of the rest knockout the the Tyrone champions year on year, they wouldn't win a Tyrone Championship.
I'm not sure now if this is a joke or serious every year since the 70's ;D
Love this conversation, strictly cause it annoys the Tyronies.
The only logical thing to do to settle this debate is to add the Ulster champions into the Tyrone championship the following year. This is clearly the next step up in terms of competition in Ulster.
Always good to see a bit of Tyrone-bashing. They love this pushing the myth that they've the best championship in Ireland, anyone can beat anyone - in reality half the teams are nowhere near contenders:
Ardboe, Clonoe, Coalisland, Donaghmore, Edendork, Eglish, Galbally, Omagh.
Quote from: general_lee on September 19, 2024, 09:23:25 AMAlways good to see a bit of Tyrone-bashing. They love this pushing the myth that they've the best championship in Ireland, anyone can beat anyone - in reality half the teams are nowhere near contenders:
Ardboe, Clonoe, Coalisland, Donaghmore, Edendork, Eglish, Galbally, Omagh.
Lol it's two seperate things. They are capable of beating anyone and have shown that in previous years. That doesn't mean they will go on and win it. Look at last year. Nobody expected Edendork to win championship but they were able to take the previous years finalists out of the equation and this happens all the time in Tyrone. An underdog out performs a team more than capable of winning the championship and that's their season done. People are right to say anyone can beat anyone because all it takes is an off day for a big team to be put out. The structure doesn't favour the big teams by giving them chances to stay in contention after being beat
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on September 19, 2024, 09:09:07 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on September 19, 2024, 08:50:49 AMSo when the best of the rest knockout the the Tyrone champions year on year, they wouldn't win a Tyrone Championship.
I'm not sure now if this is a joke or serious every year since the 70's ;D
Love this conversation, strictly cause it annoys the Tyronies.
The only logical thing to do to settle this debate is to add the Ulster champions into the Tyrone championship the following year. This is clearly the next step up in terms of competition in Ulster.
This makes complete sense
May we also agree that Carrickmore is the best venue for a club championship game in the whole of Love Ulster
Quote from: thebigfullforward on September 19, 2024, 09:34:10 AMQuote from: general_lee on September 19, 2024, 09:23:25 AMAlways good to see a bit of Tyrone-bashing. They love this pushing the myth that they've the best championship in Ireland, anyone can beat anyone - in reality half the teams are nowhere near contenders:
Ardboe, Clonoe, Coalisland, Donaghmore, Edendork, Eglish, Galbally, Omagh.
Lol it's two seperate things. They are capable of beating anyone and have shown that in previous years. That doesn't mean they will go on and win it. Look at last year. Nobody expected Edendork to win championship but they were able to take the previous years finalists out of the equation and this happens all the time in Tyrone. An underdog out performs a team more than capable of winning the championship and that's their season done. People are right to say anyone can beat anyone because all it takes is an off day for a big team to be put out. The structure doesn't favour the big teams by giving them chances to stay in contention after being beat
It's happens all the time in all championships! The Armagh SFC has had 8 different finalists in the past ten years. So has the Tyrone SFC.
Other championships with group stages/ backdoors favour the big teams as they are able to rest players, have games that aren't at full championship pace and are able to prime themselves for the latter stages of championship. For Tyrone you usually have 5-4 hectic games on the back end of 15 league games which are taken seriously as league and championship are linked. Add in the fact that because no one does back to backs teams usually celebrate their championship win without too much of an eye on ulster. That being said Tyrone teams record in senior ulster is abysmal.
We're just class.
Quote from: 03,05,08 on September 21, 2024, 10:27:16 AMOther championships with group stages/ backdoors favour the big teams as they are able to rest players, have games that aren't at full championship pace and are able to prime themselves for the latter stages of championship. For Tyrone you usually have 5-4 hectic games on the back end of 15 league games which are taken seriously as league and championship are linked. Add in the fact that because no one does back to backs teams usually celebrate their championship win without too much of an eye on ulster. That being said Tyrone teams record in senior ulster is abysmal.
4 hectic 60 mins every 2 weeks, how do they do it?
Quote from: JoG2 on September 21, 2024, 10:37:33 AMQuote from: 03,05,08 on September 21, 2024, 10:27:16 AMOther championships with group stages/ backdoors favour the big teams as they are able to rest players, have games that aren't at full championship pace and are able to prime themselves for the latter stages of championship. For Tyrone you usually have 5-4 hectic games on the back end of 15 league games which are taken seriously as league and championship are linked. Add in the fact that because no one does back to backs teams usually celebrate their championship win without too much of an eye on ulster. That being said Tyrone teams record in senior ulster is abysmal.
4 hectic 60 mins every 2 weeks, how do they do it?
Lol. Imagine being Trillick and having just two weeks to recover from a gruelling 8 point victory. Must take its toll.
Since the turn of the century different winners per county in Ulster
Tyrone - 9
Fermanagh - 8
Derry - 8
Cavan - 8
Donegal - 7
Monaghan - 6
Armagh - 5
Down - 5
Antrim - 4
During the same period wins in Ulster
Derry - 9
Armagh - 8
Down - 2
Antrim - 2
Donegal - 1
Tyrone - 1
That's the break up. Tyrone hardly streaking away with being more competitive and being the 'hardest' to win but let them have it.
Everyone loves talking about Tyrone, even more than we do. We're just class.
"ok ok maybe it's not the best Cship but they still talk about us the most so we still win"
Quote from: ONeill on September 21, 2024, 03:45:18 PMEveryone loves talking about Tyrone, even more than we do. We're just class.
In the same way as people talk about Russia.
Plenty of drama and last gasp goals last night and today it's the best for entertainment anyways
Quote from: armaghniac on September 21, 2024, 04:19:50 PMQuote from: ONeill on September 21, 2024, 03:45:18 PMEveryone loves talking about Tyrone, even more than we do. We're just class.
In the same way as people talk about Russia.
Russia haven't won 4 Sam Maguires 🤷
Quote from: Truthsayer on September 21, 2024, 08:56:57 PMQuote from: armaghniac on September 21, 2024, 04:19:50 PMQuote from: ONeill on September 21, 2024, 03:45:18 PMEveryone loves talking about Tyrone, even more than we do. We're just class.
In the same way as people talk about Russia.
Russia haven't won 4 Sam Maguires 🤷
To paraphrase the legend Micheal - Putin was a great man but he couldn't kick points like Peter Canavan.
Eunans over Naomh Conaill by a point.
10-9
Was 7-3 to Eunans at the half.
I've seen a good few people on twitter getting angry when someone comments that Tyrone is the best championship in Ireland. The people who disagree will always mention the fact that Tyrone clubs have a poor record in Ulster so it can't be the best. When people say it's the best they mean in terms of competitiveness, entertainment, drama etc, not that it's the best in terms of quality. How hard it that for people to understand?
Not a inch on the strength of Dublin club senior teams!
Quote from: Easttyrone23 on September 21, 2024, 10:14:10 PMI've seen a good few people on twitter getting angry when someone comments that Tyrone is the best championship in Ireland. The people who disagree will always mention the fact that Tyrone clubs have a poor record in Ulster so it can't be the best. When people say it's the best they mean in terms of competitiveness, entertainment, drama etc, not that it's the best in terms of quality. How hard it that for people to understand?
It's very hard. They wouldn't be as smart as us.
😂😂😂😂😂
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 21, 2024, 11:15:47 PMNot a inch on the strength of Dublin club senior teams!
Exhibit A
So the reason that Throne championship is the best in Ireland is because it's knockout and any team can win it?
Ok. Or any team can win it cause the standard is piss poor and that's shown up when club teams from Fermanagh can beat them?
Fermanagh now at the knockout stage
Derrygonnelly V Kinawley/Teemore
Enniskillen V Erne Gaels/Edenery
Derrygonnelly have been playing minus the three Jones brothers and they have remained unbeaten despite this.
Paddy McBrearty had a penalty to put Kilcar 1-12 to 0-5 up on St Michaels early in the second half.
Keeper saved it. St Michaels won 2-8 to 0-13
Themselves, Eunans and Dungloe (who beat Glenswilly) all in the semis after one point wins.
Four Masters and Gaoth Dobhair on at the moment.
Im tipping Lavey to topple Glen in Derry :o
Quote from: FermGael on September 22, 2024, 08:43:24 AMFermanagh now at the knockout stage
Derrygonnelly V Kinawley/Teemore
Enniskillen V Erne Gaels/Edenery
Derrygonnelly have been playing minus the three Jones brothers and they have remained unbeaten despite this.
Will the jones brothers be back?
Quote from: J70 on September 22, 2024, 04:39:08 PMPaddy McBrearty had a penalty to put Kilcar 1-12 to 0-5 up on St Michaels early in the second half.
Keeper saved it. St Michaels won 2-8 to 0-13
Themselves, Eunans and Dungloe (who beat Glenswilly) all in the semis after one point wins.
Four Masters and Gaoth Dobhair on at the moment.
Did Eunan's beat Naomh Conaill?
Quote from: J70 on September 22, 2024, 04:39:08 PMSt Michaels won 2-8 to 0-13
Aye, and without Michael Langan. Big result for Naomh Micheal.
Eunans scored a point in something like the 63rd minute to win it.
Quote from: marty34 on September 22, 2024, 06:16:25 PMQuote from: J70 on September 22, 2024, 04:39:08 PMPaddy McBrearty had a penalty to put Kilcar 1-12 to 0-5 up on St Michaels early in the second half.
Keeper saved it. St Michaels won 2-8 to 0-13
Themselves, Eunans and Dungloe (who beat Glenswilly) all in the semis after one point wins.
Four Masters and Gaoth Dobhair on at the moment.
Did Eunan's beat Naomh Conaill?
By a point.
Gaoth Dobhair beat Four Masters.
Semis:
Naomh Micheál v CLG An Clochán Liath
Ghaoth Dobhair v St Eunan's
Quote from: OakLeaf on September 22, 2024, 06:49:16 PMQuote from: J70 on September 22, 2024, 04:39:08 PMSt Michaels won 2-8 to 0-13
Aye, and without Michael Langan. Big result for Naomh Micheal.
Colm McFadden hit one of the goals for them.
Former Donegal keeper Mark Anthony McGinley made the double save from McBrearty's penalty.
Quote from: J70 on September 22, 2024, 06:50:22 PMQuote from: marty34 on September 22, 2024, 06:16:25 PMQuote from: J70 on September 22, 2024, 04:39:08 PMPaddy McBrearty had a penalty to put Kilcar 1-12 to 0-5 up on St Michaels early in the second half.
Keeper saved it. St Michaels won 2-8 to 0-13
Themselves, Eunans and Dungloe (who beat Glenswilly) all in the semis after one point wins.
Four Masters and Gaoth Dobhair on at the moment.
Did Eunan's beat Naomh Conaill?
By a point.
Gaoth Dobhair beat Four Masters.
Semis:
Naomh Micheál v CLG An Clochán Liath
Ghaoth Dobhair v St Eunan's
That's open enough now.
Quote from: J70 on September 22, 2024, 06:54:39 PMColm McFadden hit one of the goals for them.
Colin Mc Fadden. I wish Colm was still playing :)
Quote from: Brendan on September 22, 2024, 05:15:00 PMIm tipping Lavey to topple Glen in Derry :o
I wouldn't put too much money on it :) although it's not impossible. It'll be interesting to see how Glen go now knowing that MOR is leaving.
Quote from: OakLeaf on September 22, 2024, 07:03:55 PMQuote from: J70 on September 22, 2024, 06:54:39 PMColm McFadden hit one of the goals for them.
Colin Mc Fadden. I wish Colm was still playing :)
Ah you're right!
I misunderstood (or I guess assumed!) the Highland reporter was saying it was Colm!
Quote from: marty34 on September 22, 2024, 07:02:10 PMQuote from: J70 on September 22, 2024, 06:50:22 PMQuote from: marty34 on September 22, 2024, 06:16:25 PMQuote from: J70 on September 22, 2024, 04:39:08 PMPaddy McBrearty had a penalty to put Kilcar 1-12 to 0-5 up on St Michaels early in the second half.
Keeper saved it. St Michaels won 2-8 to 0-13
Themselves, Eunans and Dungloe (who beat Glenswilly) all in the semis after one point wins.
Four Masters and Gaoth Dobhair on at the moment.
Did Eunan's beat Naomh Conaill?
By a point.
Gaoth Dobhair beat Four Masters.
Semis:
Naomh Micheál v CLG An Clochán Liath
Ghaoth Dobhair v St Eunan's
That's open enough now.
You'd expect Eunans to be heavy favourites.
Most county men of the teams left, Patton in goals, current nominee for YPOTY, O'Donnell brothers coming off good county seasons, confidence from prevailing twice over Naomh Conaill.
Cross beat Cullyhanna by a point in an enjoyable enough game, Rian O'Neill goal the big score, they looked comfortable early in the second half but Cullyhanna had it back level near the end only for Cross to get a late winner.
Quote from: WT4E on September 16, 2024, 03:49:18 PMTyrone SFC at QF stage this weekend:
Carrickmore v Killyclogher
Dungannon v Loughmacrory
Trillick v Ardboe
Errigal Ciaran v Clonoe
Wasn't for off on my predictions with the acception of Errigal draw. Fair play to Clonoe. Could have won the game but sadly history in all sports tells us that replays are not a good place for underdogs. However it does give Carrickmore or Killyclogher a very big boost as Errigal could be there for the taking.
Still sticking with Dungannon Errigal Final.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 22, 2024, 05:33:18 PMQuote from: FermGael on September 22, 2024, 08:43:24 AMFermanagh now at the knockout stage
Derrygonnelly V Kinawley/Teemore
Enniskillen V Erne Gaels/Edenery
Derrygonnelly have been playing minus the three Jones brothers and they have remained unbeaten despite this.
Will the jones brothers be back?
Not if Derrygonnelly have any 🥎's.
Unaware of the Jones brothers situation. What is this?
Derry quarter finals
Saturday 5th October @ Owenbeg
Glen v Lavey at 5:15pm
Bellaghy v Newbridge at 7pm
Sunday 6th October @ Owenbeg
Slaughtneil v Ballinascreen at 4:45pm
Dungiven v Magherafelt at 6:30pm
Errigal Ciaran should have been knocked out this evening by Clonoe who are likely to be in Intermediate Championship next season. That's why Tyrone is the most dramatic. Would you have Glen in a position to be knocked out by the Derry equivalent. No chance. Replay next weekend.
Quote from: Armagh18 on September 22, 2024, 09:13:53 PMCross beat Cullyhanna by a point in an enjoyable enough game, Rian O'Neill goal the big score, they looked comfortable early in the second half but Cullyhanna had it back level near the end only for Cross to get a late winner.
While Cullyhanna's determination to come back to equal scores was admirable, Cross fell asleep to some extent in the second half, which could have been their undoing. Not unlike Armagh earlier in the season. Rian is definitely coming into his own now.
Cross would need to keep up the pressure against Clann Éireann.
We seem to have subtely replaced best with most dramatic, but it's ok, I'm all here for it 🤣😜
Quote from: armaghniac on September 22, 2024, 10:21:03 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on September 22, 2024, 09:13:53 PMCross beat Cullyhanna by a point in an enjoyable enough game, Rian O'Neill goal the big score, they looked comfortable early in the second half but Cullyhanna had it back level near the end only for Cross to get a late winner.
While Cullyhanna's determination to come back to equal scores was admirable, Cross feel asleep to some extent in the second half, which could have been their undoing. Not unlike Armagh earlier in the season. Rian is definitely coming into his own now.
Cross would need to keep up the pressure against Clann Éireann.
Yeah Rian and probably McCambridge will be a serious battle
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on September 22, 2024, 10:22:41 PMWe seem to have subtely replaced best with most dramatic, but it's ok, I'm all here for it 🤣😜
Yeah, I noticed that as well 🤣
Quote from: scout on September 22, 2024, 09:29:13 PMUnaware of the Jones brothers situation. What is this?
From what I know one of them was dropped for the league final.
They walked out .
Have not been back
Quote from: clarshack on September 22, 2024, 10:09:07 PMErrigal Ciaran should have been knocked out this evening by Clonoe who are likely to be in Intermediate Championship next season. That's why Tyrone is the most dramatic. Would you have Glen in a position to be knocked out by the Derry equivalent. No chance. Replay next weekend.
No.
Proves the point about Tyrone club championship.
It's a poor standard when an intermediate team could knockout the potential senior champions.
Cross v Clann Eireann on Sunday 6th at 5pm, hopefully a TG4 game.
For all the stick the Armagh club championship gets (from me too), it was a very good weekend of Quarter finals, 3 highly competitive & entertaining games, the other wasn't terrible either. Clans v Killeavey was a clinker game. Cross went from cruising to should be gone, Cullyhanna fluffing an attack to win it.
Quote from: FermGael on September 22, 2024, 10:39:27 PMQuote from: scout on September 22, 2024, 09:29:13 PMUnaware of the Jones brothers situation. What is this?
From what I know one of them was dropped for the league final.
They walked out .
Have not been back
I think this isn't the first incident. Attempts to run the club over the last few years with threats of walking away.
Quote from: FermGael on September 22, 2024, 10:45:22 PMQuote from: clarshack on September 22, 2024, 10:09:07 PMErrigal Ciaran should have been knocked out this evening by Clonoe who are likely to be in Intermediate Championship next season. That's why Tyrone is the most dramatic. Would you have Glen in a position to be knocked out by the Derry equivalent. No chance. Replay next weekend.
No.
Proves the point about Tyrone club championship.
It's a poor standard when an intermediate team could knockout the potential senior champions.
Clonoe aren't an intermediate team though. Sitting middle of the table in Division 1.
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 22, 2024, 10:57:27 PMQuote from: FermGael on September 22, 2024, 10:45:22 PMQuote from: clarshack on September 22, 2024, 10:09:07 PMErrigal Ciaran should have been knocked out this evening by Clonoe who are likely to be in Intermediate Championship next season. That's why Tyrone is the most dramatic. Would you have Glen in a position to be knocked out by the Derry equivalent. No chance. Replay next weekend.
No.
Proves the point about Tyrone club championship.
It's a poor standard when an intermediate team could knockout the potential senior champions.
Clonoe aren't an intermediate team though. Sitting middle of the table in Division 1.
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 22, 2024, 10:57:27 PMQuote from: FermGael on September 22, 2024, 10:45:22 PMQuote from: clarshack on September 22, 2024, 10:09:07 PMErrigal Ciaran should have been knocked out this evening by Clonoe who are likely to be in Intermediate Championship next season. That's why Tyrone is the most dramatic. Would you have Glen in a position to be knocked out by the Derry equivalent. No chance. Replay next weekend.
No.
Proves the point about Tyrone club championship.
It's a poor standard when an intermediate team could knockout the potential senior champions.
Clonoe aren't an intermediate team though. Sitting middle of the table in Division 1.
Fair enough.
Only taking clarshack at his word.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 22, 2024, 10:55:26 PMQuote from: FermGael on September 22, 2024, 10:39:27 PMQuote from: scout on September 22, 2024, 09:29:13 PMUnaware of the Jones brothers situation. What is this?
From what I know one of them was dropped for the league final.
They walked out .
Have not been back
I think this isn't the first incident. Attempts to run the club over the last few years with threats of walking away.
Not sure.
Quote from: FermGael on September 22, 2024, 11:04:34 PMQuote from: trueblue1234 on September 22, 2024, 10:55:26 PMQuote from: FermGael on September 22, 2024, 10:39:27 PMQuote from: scout on September 22, 2024, 09:29:13 PMUnaware of the Jones brothers situation. What is this?
From what I know one of them was dropped for the league final.
They walked out .
Have not been back
I think this isn't the first incident. Attempts to run the club over the last few years with threats of walking away.
Not sure.
I think one of them was helping Leitrim U20's this year so he probably didn't see much game time in the league.
Hope Derrygonnelly stick to their guns. If they come back in now, it'll upset the whole squad I think.
Last four in Armagh:
Clann Éireann v Crossmaglen
Clan na Gael v Madden
Entertaining quarter finals over the weekend and all bar one that went down to the wire.
Madden probably the most impressive of the four winners with a handsome 7 pt victory, close at ht but Madden have that extra bit of quality that saw them win easy in the end against a dogged but also limited Mullaghbawn team.
The two Saturday night games were exceptional entertainment, the enigma that is Killeavy conspired to somehow lose a game that they were well able to win. They caused Clans all sorts of problems and with a bit more composure could have stolen a win. Maybe if they keep a management team more than 12 months they might actually kick on.
Clann Éireann got their biggest test to date and started to show why they have been one of the favourites from the outset, many people including myself fancied the Harps to take them and indeed they went toe-to-toe until a late goal won it for the Lurgan men.
The Cross/Cullyhanna game at ht looked like it was shaping up to be a foregone conclusion but credit to Cullyhanna, they reeled in Cross and almost did the unthinkable. Cross did what they do best though and moved the ball quickly to a man in space and there was no other outcome. Their semi-final v Clann Éireann will be the de facto final.
Quote from: general_lee on September 23, 2024, 09:26:41 AMLast four in Armagh:
Clann Éireann v Crossmaglen
Clan na Gael v Madden
Entertaining quarter finals over the weekend and all bar one that went down to the wire.
Madden probably the most impressive of the four winners with a handsome 7 pt victory, close at ht but Madden have that extra bit of quality that saw them win easy in the end against a dogged but also limited Mullaghbawn team.
The two Saturday night games were exceptional entertainment, the enigma that is Killeavy conspired to somehow lose a game that they were well able to win. They caused Clans all sorts of problems and with a bit more composure could have stolen a win. Maybe if they keep a management team more than 12 months they might actually kick on.
Clann Éireann got their biggest test to date and started to show why they have been one of the favourites from the outset, many people including myself fancied the Harps to take them and indeed they went toe-to-toe until a late goal won it for the Lurgan men.
The Cross/Cullyhanna game at ht looked like it was shaping up to be a foregone conclusion but credit to Cullyhanna, they reeled in Cross and almost did the unthinkable. Cross did what they do best though and moved the ball quickly to a man in space and there was no other outcome. Their semi-final v Clann Éireann will be the de facto final.
That's bait ;D
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 22, 2024, 10:57:27 PMQuote from: FermGael on September 22, 2024, 10:45:22 PMQuote from: clarshack on September 22, 2024, 10:09:07 PMErrigal Ciaran should have been knocked out this evening by Clonoe who are likely to be in Intermediate Championship next season. That's why Tyrone is the most dramatic. Would you have Glen in a position to be knocked out by the Derry equivalent. No chance. Replay next weekend.
No.
Proves the point about Tyrone club championship.
It's a poor standard when an intermediate team could knockout the potential senior champions.
Clonoe aren't an intermediate team though. Sitting middle of the table in Division 1.
3rd from bottom is considered midtable now?
Quote from: general_lee on September 23, 2024, 09:26:41 AMLast four in Armagh:
Clann Éireann v Crossmaglen
Clan na Gael v Madden
Entertaining quarter finals over the weekend and all bar one that went down to the wire.
Madden probably the most impressive of the four winners with a handsome 7 pt victory, close at ht but Madden have that extra bit of quality that saw them win easy in the end against a dogged but also limited Mullaghbawn team.
The two Saturday night games were exceptional entertainment, the enigma that is Killeavy conspired to somehow lose a game that they were well able to win. They caused Clans all sorts of problems and with a bit more composure could have stolen a win. Maybe if they keep a management team more than 12 months they might actually kick on.
Clann Éireann got their biggest test to date and started to show why they have been one of the favourites from the outset, many people including myself fancied the Harps to take them and indeed they went toe-to-toe until a late goal won it for the Lurgan men.
The Cross/Cullyhanna game at ht looked like it was shaping up to be a foregone conclusion but credit to Cullyhanna, they reeled in Cross and almost did the unthinkable. Cross did what they do best though and moved the ball quickly to a man in space and there was no other outcome. Their semi-final v Clann Éireann will be the de facto final.
The winners of that game should just take Gerry home then. No point in playing the other semi final ;D
Quote from: illdecide on September 25, 2024, 09:56:41 AMQuote from: general_lee on September 23, 2024, 09:26:41 AMLast four in Armagh:
Clann Éireann v Crossmaglen
Clan na Gael v Madden
Entertaining quarter finals over the weekend and all bar one that went down to the wire.
Madden probably the most impressive of the four winners with a handsome 7 pt victory, close at ht but Madden have that extra bit of quality that saw them win easy in the end against a dogged but also limited Mullaghbawn team.
The two Saturday night games were exceptional entertainment, the enigma that is Killeavy conspired to somehow lose a game that they were well able to win. They caused Clans all sorts of problems and with a bit more composure could have stolen a win. Maybe if they keep a management team more than 12 months they might actually kick on.
Clann Éireann got their biggest test to date and started to show why they have been one of the favourites from the outset, many people including myself fancied the Harps to take them and indeed they went toe-to-toe until a late goal won it for the Lurgan men.
The Cross/Cullyhanna game at ht looked like it was shaping up to be a foregone conclusion but credit to Cullyhanna, they reeled in Cross and almost did the unthinkable. Cross did what they do best though and moved the ball quickly to a man in space and there was no other outcome. Their semi-final v Clann Éireann will be the de facto final.
The winners of that game should just take Gerry home then. No point in playing the other semi final ;D
Don't tell anyone that Clanns beat Cross in the group and beat CE in last years semi final ;)
There an Armagh / Tyrone Club fball thread on the sub board. Any particular reason why the Armagh /Tyrone championship not discussed on that,
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 25, 2024, 10:36:07 AMThere a Armagh / Tyrone Club fball thread on the sub board. Any particular reason why the Armagh /Tyrone championship not discussed on that,
Anyone with any sense wouldn't be posting on the Tyrone thread atm, prob why there's loads posting 8)
We have moved onto how shite/great named referees are on the Tyrone thread.
Hence the move to this thread for many
In a nutshell then
The great teams of Ulster past wouldn't have dominated Tyrone in the way they dominated their county champs in Derry, Down, Armagh and Antrim
I think thats fair to say
Quote from: tiempo on September 25, 2024, 01:27:52 PMIn a nutshell then
The great teams of Ulster past wouldn't have dominated Tyrone in the way they dominated their county champs in Derry, Down, Armagh and Antrim
I think thats fair to say
I don't buy this.
Cross dominated Armagh, then dominated Ulster, and won a sprinkling of AI titles as well.
Unless you're suggesting that the toughest challenge any club in the country will get can only be found in the Tyrone SFC?
Maybe the AI Champions should have to face the Tyrone Champions in the real Final?
Quote from: Rossfan on September 25, 2024, 03:09:13 PMMaybe the AI Champions should have to face the Tyrone Champions in the real Final?
Would have to re-gauge the hecticometer to 11
Quote from: general_lee on September 25, 2024, 02:18:03 PMQuote from: tiempo on September 25, 2024, 01:27:52 PMIn a nutshell then
The great teams of Ulster past wouldn't have dominated Tyrone in the way they dominated their county champs in Derry, Down, Armagh and Antrim
I think thats fair to say
I don't buy this.
Cross dominated Armagh, then dominated Ulster, and won a sprinkling of AI titles as well.
Unless you're suggesting that the toughest challenge any club in the country will get can only be found in the Tyrone SFC?
No chance they win 19 out of 20 titles
Quote from: Rossfan on September 25, 2024, 03:09:13 PMMaybe the AI Champions should have to face the Tyrone Champions in the real Final?
Definitely a good idea, a world series so to speak, it makes a lot of sense, winners would be declared the best team in the universe
Quote from: tiempo on September 25, 2024, 03:49:01 PMQuote from: general_lee on September 25, 2024, 02:18:03 PMQuote from: tiempo on September 25, 2024, 01:27:52 PMIn a nutshell then
The great teams of Ulster past wouldn't have dominated Tyrone in the way they dominated their county champs in Derry, Down, Armagh and Antrim
I think thats fair to say
I don't buy this.
Cross dominated Armagh, then dominated Ulster, and won a sprinkling of AI titles as well.
Unless you're suggesting that the toughest challenge any club in the country will get can only be found in the Tyrone SFC?
No chance they win 19 out of 20 titles
That Cross team was one of the best club sides to ever do it. They beat some super teams in Armagh at the time as well in the Ogs, Dromintee etc who probably would have been good enough to win Ulsters if they'd got out of Armagh.
Quote from: tiempo on September 25, 2024, 03:49:01 PMQuote from: general_lee on September 25, 2024, 02:18:03 PMQuote from: tiempo on September 25, 2024, 01:27:52 PMIn a nutshell then
The great teams of Ulster past wouldn't have dominated Tyrone in the way they dominated their county champs in Derry, Down, Armagh and Antrim
I think thats fair to say
I don't buy this.
Cross dominated Armagh, then dominated Ulster, and won a sprinkling of AI titles as well.
Unless you're suggesting that the toughest challenge any club in the country will get can only be found in the Tyrone SFC?
No chance they win 19 out of 20 titles
We'd have given it a fair rattle...remember the 13 a row we did was on a straight knock out basis. I'm confident we'd have won at least 8-9 out of that 13 year run at least.
Quote from: Armagh18 on September 25, 2024, 04:02:52 PMQuote from: tiempo on September 25, 2024, 03:49:01 PMQuote from: general_lee on September 25, 2024, 02:18:03 PMQuote from: tiempo on September 25, 2024, 01:27:52 PMIn a nutshell then
The great teams of Ulster past wouldn't have dominated Tyrone in the way they dominated their county champs in Derry, Down, Armagh and Antrim
I think thats fair to say
I don't buy this.
Cross dominated Armagh, then dominated Ulster, and won a sprinkling of AI titles as well.
Unless you're suggesting that the toughest challenge any club in the country will get can only be found in the Tyrone SFC?
No chance they win 19 out of 20 titles
That Cross team was one of the best club sides to ever do it. They beat some super teams in Armagh at the time as well in the Ogs, Dromintee etc who probably would have been good enough to win Ulsters if they'd got out of Armagh.
When O'gs did get out of Armagh we beat them in the first round ;)
That said, a bitta composure that day would've seen them through
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 25, 2024, 06:11:39 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on September 25, 2024, 04:02:52 PMQuote from: tiempo on September 25, 2024, 03:49:01 PMQuote from: general_lee on September 25, 2024, 02:18:03 PMQuote from: tiempo on September 25, 2024, 01:27:52 PMIn a nutshell then
The great teams of Ulster past wouldn't have dominated Tyrone in the way they dominated their county champs in Derry, Down, Armagh and Antrim
I think thats fair to say
I don't buy this.
Cross dominated Armagh, then dominated Ulster, and won a sprinkling of AI titles as well.
Unless you're suggesting that the toughest challenge any club in the country will get can only be found in the Tyrone SFC?
No chance they win 19 out of 20 titles
That Cross team was one of the best club sides to ever do it. They beat some super teams in Armagh at the time as well in the Ogs, Dromintee etc who probably would have been good enough to win Ulsters if they'd got out of Armagh.
When O'gs did get out of Armagh we beat them in the first round ;)
That said, a bitta composure that day would've seen them through
That was '09, the end of that first unbroken run......... if Clarke had passed to the free man they would have beaten the eventual All Ireland winners...............
......... and, in 1995, the year before Cross went on that run, Mullaghbawn beat them in the final and went on to win the Ulster Club.
Quote from: APM on September 25, 2024, 08:30:29 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on September 25, 2024, 06:11:39 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on September 25, 2024, 04:02:52 PMQuote from: tiempo on September 25, 2024, 03:49:01 PMQuote from: general_lee on September 25, 2024, 02:18:03 PMQuote from: tiempo on September 25, 2024, 01:27:52 PMIn a nutshell then
The great teams of Ulster past wouldn't have dominated Tyrone in the way they dominated their county champs in Derry, Down, Armagh and Antrim
I think thats fair to say
I don't buy this.
Cross dominated Armagh, then dominated Ulster, and won a sprinkling of AI titles as well.
Unless you're suggesting that the toughest challenge any club in the country will get can only be found in the Tyrone SFC?
No chance they win 19 out of 20 titles
That Cross team was one of the best club sides to ever do it. They beat some super teams in Armagh at the time as well in the Ogs, Dromintee etc who probably would have been good enough to win Ulsters if they'd got out of Armagh.
When O'gs did get out of Armagh we beat them in the first round ;)
That said, a bitta composure that day would've seen them through
That was '09, the end of that first unbroken run......... if Clarke had passed to the free man they would have beaten the eventual All Ireland winners...............
......... and, in 1995, the year before Cross went on that run, Mullaghbawn beat them in the final and went on to win the Ulster Club.
We tried unsuccessfully to beat that Cross team, dam they knew how to eek out results when needed and demolish teams that feared them
Mayobridge had some great clashes with Crossmaglen too, same story, they could never get over the line.
Mullahoran also drew with Crossmaglen in Cross in 1998. Mullahoran had the winning of that, and it took a last gasp Anthony Cunningham point late in injury time for Cross to draw it. They walked the replay and walked the All Ireland that year. What could have been...
I watched that Cross team a lot as I was involved directly against them for years, it certainly was no fluke that they always seemed to grind out a late draw or win when you thought the other team had them on the ropes. We drew with them in the County final but lost the replay easily enough and that was the start of it as they went on to win the AI that year...All if's buts and maybe's...seen it so many times but that was the thing about that team, it wasn't just one or two players stepping up, there were so many leaders in that team it was someone different pulling it out for Cross (I sound like a Cross Cheerleader now...lol).
Enniskillen lost to Crossmaglen in the '99 final, kicking 13 wides in the process. Cross didn't take the lead in the 2nd half until they got the winner late on from John McEntee. I could say Enniskillen should have won, but how many teams felt like that over the years? Same result in the first round in 2000 when Cross just eked out a result by 2 points. Then in 2001 Enniskillen beat Cross in the 1st round in Brewster, which at the time felt like a massive moment. It was, but it didn't lead them to where they thought they were going to end up as Castleblaney, deservedly, beat Enniskillen the next day out! So many brilliant teams in Ulster in that period, and yet several never won an Ulster Club.
Cross may not have won as many in Tyrone, but they would have won a helluva lot. The thing is too, it becomes a vicious cycle that becomes harder and harder to break. They reminded me of Alex Fergusons Man United, you could actually play better than them on any given day but mentally they just had an unbreakable will to win that was only fortified year on year as the victories piled up. It took a remarkably good team with massive mental strength to get over them on any given day.
That was a great Enniskillen Team.
Hard to believe they nearly ended up junior in Fermanagh a few years ago.
They are on the way back and should win Fermanagh again this year.
Bellaghy in 96
45 or a free in last minute. Bellaghy dropped it short and they went the length of the Clones pitch and Cahal Short goaled.
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on September 26, 2024, 11:21:10 AMBellaghy in 96
45 or a free in last minute. Bellaghy dropped it short and they went the length of the Clones pitch and Cahal Short goaled.
There's so many games from that period, could roll them all off. Someone mentioned Alex Ferguson above. Big Joe is a huge United fan and big admirer of Ferguson. It would not be an understatement to say our mindset was akin to that group that United had. If we were within a score going into the last few minutes we genuinely believed we would win no matter what. Few stories about that which are better told over pints!!!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 25, 2024, 10:36:07 AMThere an Armagh / Tyrone Club fball thread on the sub board. Any particular reason why the Armagh /Tyrone championship not discussed on that,
We can't wind up as many Derry ones on those threads.
Eunans through in Donegal.
0-8 to 0-7 over Gaoth Dobhair
Predictions
Antrim - Cargin
Armagh - Clann Eireann
Down - Kilcoo
Monaghan - Scotstown
Fermanagh - Derrygonnelly
Tyrone - Erigal Ciaran
Derry - Slaughtneil
Donegal - St.Eunans
Quote from: ck on September 29, 2024, 12:00:18 PMPredictions
Antrim - Cargin
Armagh - Clann Eireann
Down - Kilcoo
Monaghan - Scotstown
Fermanagh - Derrygonnelly
Tyrone - Erigal Ciaran
Derry - Slaughtneil
Donegal - St.Eunans
Derrygonnelly do well to win it without the Jones.
You forgot Cavan?
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on September 29, 2024, 01:28:57 PMQuote from: ck on September 29, 2024, 12:00:18 PMPredictions
Antrim - Cargin
Armagh - Clann Eireann
Down - Kilcoo
Monaghan - Scotstown
Fermanagh - Derrygonnelly
Tyrone - Erigal Ciaran
Derry - Slaughtneil
Donegal - St.Eunans
Derrygonnelly do well to win it without the Jones.
You forgot Cavan?
Thought all their senior teams play junior / intermediate...? 8)
Quote from: J70 on September 28, 2024, 10:34:34 PMEunans through in Donegal.
0-8 to 0-7 over Gaoth Dobhair
Dungloe through as well, 0-9 to 0-8, over St Michaels. Langan flew back for it, but not enough.
St Eunans v Dungloe final
Kilcoo v Burren in the Down final (again)
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on September 29, 2024, 01:28:57 PMQuote from: ck on September 29, 2024, 12:00:18 PMPredictions
Antrim - Cargin
Armagh - Clann Eireann
Down - Kilcoo
Monaghan - Scotstown
Fermanagh - Derrygonnelly
Tyrone - Erigal Ciaran
Derry - Slaughtneil
Donegal - St.Eunans
Derrygonnelly do well to win it without the Jones.
You forgot Cavan?
Whoops, forgot Cavan. Who do you reckon there?
Quote from: ck on September 29, 2024, 10:35:34 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on September 29, 2024, 01:28:57 PMQuote from: ck on September 29, 2024, 12:00:18 PMPredictions
Antrim - Cargin
Armagh - Clann Eireann
Down - Kilcoo
Monaghan - Scotstown
Fermanagh - Derrygonnelly
Tyrone - Erigal Ciaran
Derry - Slaughtneil
Donegal - St.Eunans
Derrygonnelly do well to win it without the Jones.
You forgot Cavan?
Whoops, forgot Cavan. Who do you reckon there?
Arva?
Quote from: JoG2 on September 29, 2024, 03:46:39 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on September 29, 2024, 01:28:57 PMQuote from: ck on September 29, 2024, 12:00:18 PMPredictions
Antrim - Cargin
Armagh - Clann Eireann
Down - Kilcoo
Monaghan - Scotstown
Fermanagh - Derrygonnelly
Tyrone - Erigal Ciaran
Derry - Slaughtneil
Donegal - St.Eunans
Derrygonnelly do well to win it without the Jones.
You forgot Cavan?
Thought all their senior teams play junior / intermediate...? 8)
You's Derry wans definitely can't talk aren't your Junior champions still junior this year?
Quote from: ck on September 29, 2024, 10:35:34 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on September 29, 2024, 01:28:57 PMQuote from: ck on September 29, 2024, 12:00:18 PMPredictions
Antrim - Cargin
Armagh - Clann Eireann
Down - Kilcoo
Monaghan - Scotstown
Fermanagh - Derrygonnelly
Tyrone - Erigal Ciaran
Derry - Slaughtneil
Donegal - St.Eunans
Derrygonnelly do well to win it without the Jones.
You forgot Cavan?
Whoops, forgot Cavan. Who do you reckon there?
Crosserlough or Gowna likely.
Gowna going for 3 in a row; Crosserlough bookies favourites.
Antrim - Cargin
Armagh - Clann Éireann
Cavan - Crosserlough
Derry - Glen
Donegal - St Eunan's
Down - Kilcoo
Fermanagh - Enniskillen Gaels
Monaghan - Scotstown
Tyrone - Trillick
Quote from: Lucifer on September 26, 2024, 09:54:15 AMSo many brilliant teams in Ulster in that period, and yet several never won an Ulster Club.
That principle also applies to Armagh itself. In the 1996 - 2005 period, there were several teams who would have been capable of giving Ulster a rattle, but could not get out of Armagh - Pearse Og, Mullaghbawn, Clan na Gael and in particular Dromintee, who I'm convinced would have taken at least one Ulster Title.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on October 01, 2024, 10:05:59 AMQuote from: Lucifer on September 26, 2024, 09:54:15 AMSo many brilliant teams in Ulster in that period, and yet several never won an Ulster Club.
That principle also applies to Armagh itself. In the 1996 - 2005 period, there were several teams who would have been capable of giving Ulster a rattle, but could not get out of Armagh - Pearse Og, Mullaghbawn, Clan na Gael and in particular Dromintee, who I'm convinced would have taken at least one Ulster Title.
Pearse Og could and should have beat St Galls in Casement in quarter final of Ulster and St Galls subsequently won the all ireland in 2010. Ronan Clarke came through the middle with a few minutes left and should have squared it to one of the brothers went himself ball went a foot past the post.
I'd have near fancied Clann Eireann to make a dent in Ulster this year only for the Armagh winners having to face the Derry champions in first round.
Quote from: general_lee on October 01, 2024, 12:10:22 PMI'd have near fancied Clann Eireann to make a dent in Ulster this year only for the Armagh winners having to face the Derry champions in first round.
You have to beat the best to be the best, meeting the Derry champions in the first round probably easier than the final, I'd say this years its a bit more even with all the teams that come through their own championship, they would fancy themselves to go all the way, even the Tyrone ones ;)
Quote from: general_lee on October 01, 2024, 12:10:22 PMI'd have near fancied Clann Eireann to make a dent in Ulster this year only for the Armagh winners having to face the Derry champions in first round.
Glen and Cross will be some game ;)
Not even sure Glen come out of Derry. Haven't been great this year.
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 01, 2024, 12:44:16 PMQuote from: general_lee on October 01, 2024, 12:10:22 PMI'd have near fancied Clann Eireann to make a dent in Ulster this year only for the Armagh winners having to face the Derry champions in first round.
Glen and Cross will be some game ;)
Slaughtniel and CE will be just as good...
Last four in Tyrone:
Trillick v Dungannon
Errigal Ciaran v Killyclogher
Anyone could come out of these.
Errigal havent been convincing but a couple of games might have helped them get into the groove
Killyclogher won an absolutely atrocious game of football versus Carrickmore
Dungannon look great on paper but haven't put anyone away in style
Trillick looked far from County champs versus an ordinary enough Ardboe side.
I still stand by my Errigal v Dungannon final.
Quote from: WT4E on October 01, 2024, 05:21:13 PMLast four in Tyrone:
Trillick v Dungannon
Errigal Ciaran v Killyclogher
Anyone could come out of these.
Errigal havent been convincing but a couple of games might have helped them get into the groove
Killyclogher won an absolutely atrocious game of football versus Carrickmore
Dungannon look great on paper but haven't put anyone away in style
Trillick looked far from County champs versus an ordinary enough Ardboe side.
I still stand by my Errigal v Dungannon final.
It's all about 'on the day'.
Previous games in the championship don't matter.
On the day.
Armagh semis
Clan na Gael v Madden
Cross v Clann Eireann
Both games could go either way, no team has really stood out and all bar the Clans have already tasted defeat in the championship this season.
Clans are looking to reach their second final in a row after a heavy defeat last year to Cross, whereas Madden haven't been in a final in 25+ years. Both sides probably drew the team they wanted and both will be confident of progressing, it's a toss of a coin and wouldn't rule out the draw.
The other match is probably the real final. Clann Eireann have an embarrassment of riches with the talent they have at their disposal but have only one championship to show for it. Despite all what their players have went through this year and how ordinary they've looked at times, Cross always have that ability to click into gear so you can't ever rule them out. That said, if they play the way they did in the second half last day out, Clann Eireann may not be as forgiving.
Quote from: JoG2 on September 25, 2024, 12:08:16 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on September 25, 2024, 10:36:07 AMThere a Armagh / Tyrone Club fball thread on the sub board. Any particular reason why the Armagh /Tyrone championship not discussed on that,
Anyone with any sense wouldn't be posting on the Tyrone thread atm, prob why there's loads posting 8)
Yeah all us seasoned - slightly sensible Tyrone club posters are hiding out in here hoping that new crowd of children in Tyrone board don't find us!!! :-X
Quote from: WT4E on October 02, 2024, 09:43:51 AMQuote from: JoG2 on September 25, 2024, 12:08:16 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on September 25, 2024, 10:36:07 AMThere a Armagh / Tyrone Club fball thread on the sub board. Any particular reason why the Armagh /Tyrone championship not discussed on that,
Anyone with any sense wouldn't be posting on the Tyrone thread atm, prob why there's loads posting 8)
Yeah all us seasoned - slightly sensible Tyrone club posters are hiding out in here hoping that new crowd of children in Tyrone board don't find us!!! :-X
;D.. Has to be 1 or 2 gogetters controlling the accounts? Wonder did the guy who had his email listed go to ground?
Cavan SFC semis this week. 2 heavyweight clashes between the big 4.
Crosserlough v Cavan Gaels. Gaels got a fillip last night after Gearoid McKiernan won an appeal for a red card in the quarter final. They squeaked that quarter vs Mullahoran (who outscored them) but got a few goals including a last minute one to overturn the group result between the 2. Will need to be far better as were profligate in front of goal with many wides. Crosserlough are favourites, and are younger and stronger with more threats around the field, but have had literally no test in 5 games so far. No one has got within 10 points of them so they've barely played 60 with most games won after 30 odd minutes. This will test them, but they'll have enough to reach the final
Ramor Utd vs Gowna. Gowna looking for 4th final in a row and 3rd title in a row. But not plain sailing. Last few years they've took it easy through the group (whether by circumstance or design, who knows) but they've managed it, timing their run for knockouts and nailing it. Not sure it can keep happening though. Comes a time when you try turn that tap on after keeping it off and it won't happen. And they need it to happen. Ramor are injury hit (and other player losses) as usual, yet always seem to turn Gowna over. Gowna haven't beaten them in something like 13 years. Last time they met in knockouts, Ramor won the final that day - the first of Gownas 3 finals in a row. Very tough one to call. Gowna probably should win it, but Ramor just always seem to have it in this one. A draw could easily happen
3 in a row chasing Gowna are gone in Cavan.
Both teams in the final are managed by Tyrone men.
Crosserlough and Ramor.
Both on Meath border fair commute for those men.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on October 06, 2024, 04:35:20 PM3 in a row chasing Gowna are gone in Cavan.
Both teams in the final are managed by Tyrone men.
Crosserlough and Ramor.
Both on Meath border fair commute for those men.
Who are the two men?
Quote from: scout on October 06, 2024, 04:47:35 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on October 06, 2024, 04:35:20 PM3 in a row chasing Gowna are gone in Cavan.
Both teams in the final are managed by Tyrone men.
Crosserlough and Ramor.
Both on Meath border fair commute for those men.
Who are the two men?
Archie Beatty and Ryan Daly who were over Carrickmore previously if I'm not mistaken, they are over Crosserlough.
And Jude and Pat McNabb are over Ramor.
Erne gaels beat Derrygonnelly.
Derrygonnelly not the same side without the Jones.
Enniskillen beat Ederney by double figures.
Should win the final
Clann Eireann just beat Crossmaglen in Armagh
An all Lurgan Armagh final! Clann Éireann beat Cross 1-11 to 0-10.
Quote from: Dreadnought on October 06, 2024, 06:23:03 PMClann Eireann just beat Crossmaglen in Armagh
When Armagh people said to bet on Clann Éireann and not Cross we weren't joking.
Barry McCambridge showing his class.
It should be good for Armagh GAA. The GAA is to the fore in Lurgan , which is not true of many towns like it, look at the likes of Newry. But the kids in Lurgan are following both their many clubs and their county. The likes of Cross and Cullyhanna will continue to be strong.
I missed the match today but not in the slightest bit surprised. Not only are Clann Éireann a well-oiled machine, they're basically a super-club that would make some of the Dublin sides blush.
Cross haven't looked themselves at times this season and given the year they've had you can't really blame them. They'll regroup and be back next year no doubt.
Onwards to an all-Lurgan derby, and with St Paul's in the IFC final football in the town is a far cry from where it was 10/15 years ago.
Quote from: general_lee on October 06, 2024, 08:14:25 PMI missed the match today but not in the slightest bit surprised. Not only are Clann Éireann a well-oiled machine, they're basically a super-club that would make some of the Dublin sides blush.
Cross haven't looked themselves at times this season and given the year they've had you can't really blame them. They'll regroup and be back next year no doubt.
Onwards to an all-Lurgan derby, and with St Paul's in the IFC final football in the town is a far cry from where it was 10/15 years ago.
Super club how? (genuine question)
I think they're the biggest club in the county by membership.
They won this year's minor championship, they're in the SFC final, their second string reached the IFC semifinals, their ladies are LGFA SFC champions, their junior ladies reached the final as well. They also won the LGFA minor championship.
Quote from: general_lee on October 06, 2024, 08:32:27 PMI think they're the biggest club in the county by membership.
They won this year's minor championship, they're in the SFC final, their second string reached the IFC semifinals, their ladies are LGFA SFC champions, their junior ladies reached the final as well. They also won the LGFA minor championship.
How does having their affairs in order and seemingly being a well run club to achieve that make them a super club like in Dublin? Are they getting on outside players, big managers etc?
Quote from: Dreadnought on October 06, 2024, 09:02:39 PMQuote from: general_lee on October 06, 2024, 08:32:27 PMI think they're the biggest club in the county by membership.
They won this year's minor championship, they're in the SFC final, their second string reached the IFC semifinals, their ladies are LGFA SFC champions, their junior ladies reached the final as well. They also won the LGFA minor championship.
How does having their affairs in order and seemingly being a well run club to achieve that make them a super club like in Dublin? Are they getting on outside players, big managers etc?
They are "super" as in superlative. They are not like a Dublin club, many of whom have a population equivalent to that of Lurgan altogether, although in Lurgan 40% (?) of the population is anti Irish and there are multiple clubs.
How many clubs are in Armagh city?
Quote from: Dreadnought on October 06, 2024, 09:02:39 PMQuote from: general_lee on October 06, 2024, 08:32:27 PMI think they're the biggest club in the county by membership.
They won this year's minor championship, they're in the SFC final, their second string reached the IFC semifinals, their ladies are LGFA SFC champions, their junior ladies reached the final as well. They also won the LGFA minor championship.
How does having their affairs in order and seemingly being a well run club to achieve that make them a super club like in Dublin? Are they getting on outside players, big managers etc?
They've had outside players in the past. They've had outside managers in the past. They were coached last year by an outsider, not sure if this is still the case. Some of their best players' parents wouldn't be locals either. Of course none of these are pre-requisites for super-club status (imo). They're a big club with a big catchment area and they're well run as you say.
Quote from: general_lee on October 06, 2024, 10:12:26 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on October 06, 2024, 09:02:39 PMQuote from: general_lee on October 06, 2024, 08:32:27 PMI think they're the biggest club in the county by membership.
They won this year's minor championship, they're in the SFC final, their second string reached the IFC semifinals, their ladies are LGFA SFC champions, their junior ladies reached the final as well. They also won the LGFA minor championship.
How does having their affairs in order and seemingly being a well run club to achieve that make them a super club like in Dublin? Are they getting on outside players, big managers etc?
They've had outside players in the past. They've had outside managers in the past. They were coached last year by an outsider, not sure if this is still the case. Some of their best players' parents wouldn't be locals either. Of course none of these are pre-requisites for super-club status (imo). They're a big club with a big catchment area and they're well run as you say.
I'd say they have had as many outside players as any other club in Ireland.
Similar to the players parents point, where again a lot of people on any team will have a parent from another area.
On their catchment area, I wouldn't call it big whatsoever, especially in comparison with other town teams. Also, their catchment area also has a club from half a mile away competing for players too.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 06, 2024, 09:30:12 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on October 06, 2024, 09:02:39 PMQuote from: general_lee on October 06, 2024, 08:32:27 PMI think they're the biggest club in the county by membership.
They won this year's minor championship, they're in the SFC final, their second string reached the IFC semifinals, their ladies are LGFA SFC champions, their junior ladies reached the final as well. They also won the LGFA minor championship.
How does having their affairs in order and seemingly being a well run club to achieve that make them a super club like in Dublin? Are they getting on outside players, big managers etc?
They are "super" as in superlative. They are not like a Dublin club, many of whom have a population equivalent to that of Lurgan altogether, although in Lurgan 40% (?) of the population is anti Irish and there are multiple clubs.
Lurgan Craigavon and Portadown as a metropolitan area is comparable to that of Derry city or Galway population wise.
Galway city split 60 40 in favour of Gaelic football for other reasons.
Lurgan have as many football clubs as Galway city am I correct in saying?
Incredibly impressive what Lurgan are producing though.
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 06, 2024, 09:31:34 PMHow many clubs are in Armagh city?
2 Football & 1 hurling. Lots of others in the hinterlands. 5/6 within a 5/6 mile radius.
Semi finals now in Derry:
Glen v Slaughtneil
Newbridge v Magherafelt
Neither Glen nor Slaughtneil set the world alight this weekend in the quarter finals.
Glen were fortunate to come away with a one point win over Lavey who were good value and could have won it.
Slaughtneil beat Ballinascreen by 4 points. Screen would have been classed by many as the weakest of the 8 quarter finalists and were only 2 points behind with less than 10 to go.
Magherafelt missing 3 county men and Newbridge missing Padraig McGrogan which is a big handicap to both teams but either may fancy their chances in a one off against the other 2 in the final.
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 06, 2024, 10:21:48 PMQuote from: general_lee on October 06, 2024, 10:12:26 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on October 06, 2024, 09:02:39 PMQuote from: general_lee on October 06, 2024, 08:32:27 PMI think they're the biggest club in the county by membership.
They won this year's minor championship, they're in the SFC final, their second string reached the IFC semifinals, their ladies are LGFA SFC champions, their junior ladies reached the final as well. They also won the LGFA minor championship.
How does having their affairs in order and seemingly being a well run club to achieve that make them a super club like in Dublin? Are they getting on outside players, big managers etc?
They've had outside players in the past. They've had outside managers in the past. They were coached last year by an outsider, not sure if this is still the case. Some of their best players' parents wouldn't be locals either. Of course none of these are pre-requisites for super-club status (imo). They're a big club with a big catchment area and they're well run as you say.
I'd say they have had as many outside players as any other club in Ireland.
Similar to the players parents point, where again a lot of people on any team will have a parent from another area.
On their catchment area, I wouldn't call it big whatsoever, especially in comparison with other town teams. Also, their catchment area also has a club from half a mile away competing for players too.
Out of the Lurgan clubs they've always got the blow-ins transfer wise, not that there are too many that come to Lurgan to begin with.
I'd love to know what you call a big catchment area if you don't think theirs is big. Majority of all new build development in the last 30 years has happened in north Lurgan. When the Heffrons, Turbitts, McCambridges et al settled in Lurgan with a choice between St Peter's & CE, there's only ever going to be one winner.
Quote from: general_lee on October 07, 2024, 07:11:27 AMQuote from: nrico2006 on October 06, 2024, 10:21:48 PMQuote from: general_lee on October 06, 2024, 10:12:26 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on October 06, 2024, 09:02:39 PMQuote from: general_lee on October 06, 2024, 08:32:27 PMI think they're the biggest club in the county by membership.
They won this year's minor championship, they're in the SFC final, their second string reached the IFC semifinals, their ladies are LGFA SFC champions, their junior ladies reached the final as well. They also won the LGFA minor championship.
How does having their affairs in order and seemingly being a well run club to achieve that make them a super club like in Dublin? Are they getting on outside players, big managers etc?
They've had outside players in the past. They've had outside managers in the past. They were coached last year by an outsider, not sure if this is still the case. Some of their best players' parents wouldn't be locals either. Of course none of these are pre-requisites for super-club status (imo). They're a big club with a big catchment area and they're well run as you say.
I'd say they have had as many outside players as any other club in Ireland.
Similar to the players parents point, where again a lot of people on any team will have a parent from another area.
On their catchment area, I wouldn't call it big whatsoever, especially in comparison with other town teams. Also, their catchment area also has a club from half a mile away competing for players too.
Out of the Lurgan clubs they've always got the blow-ins transfer wise, not that there are too many that come to Lurgan to begin with.
I'd love to know what you call a big catchment area if you don't think theirs is big. Majority of all new build development in the last 30 years has happened in north Lurgan. When the Heffrons, Turbitts, McCambridges et al settled in Lurgan with a choice between St Peter's & CE, there's only ever going to be one winner.
Their catchment area isn't big when you compare it to other town teams. Think of the likes of Portadown, Dungannon, Omagh, Cookstown or Strabane who would all have the pick of their towns.
Would there not be considered to be too many clubs for an area that size?
I definitely think west belfast suffers from having far too many clubs.
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 07, 2024, 09:03:44 AMWould there not be considered to be too many clubs for an area that size?
I definitely think west belfast suffers from having far too many clubs.
Probably not- all the clubs operating a a fair level and all have good numbers in fairness.
Re run of last year's final in Tyrone although the favourites tag will be the opposite way.
Trillick v Errigal Ciaran
Still fancy Errigal for some reason. Trillick hammering Dungannon was a great result for them but maybe that was their big performance? And Dungannon where playing with their best players half fit. Wonder will Darragh Canavan be fully fit for final.
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 07, 2024, 09:02:06 AMQuote from: general_lee on October 07, 2024, 07:11:27 AMQuote from: nrico2006 on October 06, 2024, 10:21:48 PMQuote from: general_lee on October 06, 2024, 10:12:26 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on October 06, 2024, 09:02:39 PMQuote from: general_lee on October 06, 2024, 08:32:27 PMI think they're the biggest club in the county by membership.
They won this year's minor championship, they're in the SFC final, their second string reached the IFC semifinals, their ladies are LGFA SFC champions, their junior ladies reached the final as well. They also won the LGFA minor championship.
How does having their affairs in order and seemingly being a well run club to achieve that make them a super club like in Dublin? Are they getting on outside players, big managers etc?
They've had outside players in the past. They've had outside managers in the past. They were coached last year by an outsider, not sure if this is still the case. Some of their best players' parents wouldn't be locals either. Of course none of these are pre-requisites for super-club status (imo). They're a big club with a big catchment area and they're well run as you say.
I'd say they have had as many outside players as any other club in Ireland.
Similar to the players parents point, where again a lot of people on any team will have a parent from another area.
On their catchment area, I wouldn't call it big whatsoever, especially in comparison with other town teams. Also, their catchment area also has a club from half a mile away competing for players too.
Out of the Lurgan clubs they've always got the blow-ins transfer wise, not that there are too many that come to Lurgan to begin with.
I'd love to know what you call a big catchment area if you don't think theirs is big. Majority of all new build development in the last 30 years has happened in north Lurgan. When the Heffrons, Turbitts, McCambridges et al settled in Lurgan with a choice between St Peter's & CE, there's only ever going to be one winner.
Their catchment area isn't big when you compare it to other town teams. Think of the likes of Portadown, Dungannon, Omagh, Cookstown or Strabane who would all have the pick of their towns.
Lurgan is bigger than all those towns bar Portadown. The electoral wards that make up Lurgan amount to a population just over 30k, approx 62% of which we can allow for GAA (18k). Clann Éireann have the lion's share of this.
Fermanagh final on Sunday 20th
Enniskillen Gaels V Erne Gaels
Quote from: general_lee on October 07, 2024, 11:25:22 AMQuote from: nrico2006 on October 07, 2024, 09:02:06 AMQuote from: general_lee on October 07, 2024, 07:11:27 AMQuote from: nrico2006 on October 06, 2024, 10:21:48 PMQuote from: general_lee on October 06, 2024, 10:12:26 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on October 06, 2024, 09:02:39 PMQuote from: general_lee on October 06, 2024, 08:32:27 PMI think they're the biggest club in the county by membership.
They won this year's minor championship, they're in the SFC final, their second string reached the IFC semifinals, their ladies are LGFA SFC champions, their junior ladies reached the final as well. They also won the LGFA minor championship.
How does having their affairs in order and seemingly being a well run club to achieve that make them a super club like in Dublin? Are they getting on outside players, big managers etc?
They've had outside players in the past. They've had outside managers in the past. They were coached last year by an outsider, not sure if this is still the case. Some of their best players' parents wouldn't be locals either. Of course none of these are pre-requisites for super-club status (imo). They're a big club with a big catchment area and they're well run as you say.
I'd say they have had as many outside players as any other club in Ireland.
Similar to the players parents point, where again a lot of people on any team will have a parent from another area.
On their catchment area, I wouldn't call it big whatsoever, especially in comparison with other town teams. Also, their catchment area also has a club from half a mile away competing for players too.
Out of the Lurgan clubs they've always got the blow-ins transfer wise, not that there are too many that come to Lurgan to begin with.
I'd love to know what you call a big catchment area if you don't think theirs is big. Majority of all new build development in the last 30 years has happened in north Lurgan. When the Heffrons, Turbitts, McCambridges et al settled in Lurgan with a choice between St Peter's & CE, there's only ever going to be one winner.
Their catchment area isn't big when you compare it to other town teams. Think of the likes of Portadown, Dungannon, Omagh, Cookstown or Strabane who would all have the pick of their towns.
Lurgan is bigger than all those towns bar Portadown. The electoral wards that make up Lurgan amount to a population just over 30k, approx 62% of which we can allow for GAA (18k). Clann Éireann have the lion's share of this.
What is McCambridge history I thought I saw or heard somewhere something about hurling in Antrim???
His da is from cushendall and hurled for them (three uncles hurled for the county). Not sure where the mother is from - always just assumed Lurgan but could be wrong.
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 07, 2024, 09:03:44 AMWould there not be considered to be too many clubs for an area that size?
I definitely think west belfast suffers from having far too many clubs.
If two of these clubs can play in the senior final and another in the intermediate final, then the simple answer is no there are not too many clubs, they can all raise a team.
Quote from: general_lee on October 07, 2024, 11:25:22 AMQuote from: nrico2006 on October 07, 2024, 09:02:06 AMQuote from: general_lee on October 07, 2024, 07:11:27 AMQuote from: nrico2006 on October 06, 2024, 10:21:48 PMQuote from: general_lee on October 06, 2024, 10:12:26 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on October 06, 2024, 09:02:39 PMQuote from: general_lee on October 06, 2024, 08:32:27 PMI think they're the biggest club in the county by membership.
They won this year's minor championship, they're in the SFC final, their second string reached the IFC semifinals, their ladies are LGFA SFC champions, their junior ladies reached the final as well. They also won the LGFA minor championship.
How does having their affairs in order and seemingly being a well run club to achieve that make them a super club like in Dublin? Are they getting on outside players, big managers etc?
They've had outside players in the past. They've had outside managers in the past. They were coached last year by an outsider, not sure if this is still the case. Some of their best players' parents wouldn't be locals either. Of course none of these are pre-requisites for super-club status (imo). They're a big club with a big catchment area and they're well run as you say.
I'd say they have had as many outside players as any other club in Ireland.
Similar to the players parents point, where again a lot of people on any team will have a parent from another area.
On their catchment area, I wouldn't call it big whatsoever, especially in comparison with other town teams. Also, their catchment area also has a club from half a mile away competing for players too.
Out of the Lurgan clubs they've always got the blow-ins transfer wise, not that there are too many that come to Lurgan to begin with.
I'd love to know what you call a big catchment area if you don't think theirs is big. Majority of all new build development in the last 30 years has happened in north Lurgan. When the Heffrons, Turbitts, McCambridges et al settled in Lurgan with a choice between St Peter's & CE, there's only ever going to be one winner.
Their catchment area isn't big when you compare it to other town teams. Think of the likes of Portadown, Dungannon, Omagh, Cookstown or Strabane who would all have the pick of their towns.
Lurgan is bigger than all those towns bar Portadown. The electoral wards that make up Lurgan amount to a population just over 30k, approx 62% of which we can allow for GAA (18k). Clann Éireann have the lion's share of this.
My point is that most bigger towns usually have 1 team in the town, which would definitely give them as big a pick, if not bigger, than Clann Eireann, especially given the fact you have 4 other clubs in the area. Anybody got the member numbers per club in each county?
Not too familiar with Lurgan but is there a tendency for middle class people to align more with a specific club or clubs?
Quote from: LC on October 07, 2024, 06:44:27 PMNot too familiar with Lurgan but is there a tendency for middle class people to align more with a specific club or clubs?
The GAA is a middle class sport!
Quote from: Walter Cronc on October 07, 2024, 08:11:30 PMQuote from: LC on October 07, 2024, 06:44:27 PMNot too familiar with Lurgan but is there a tendency for middle class people to align more with a specific club or clubs?
The GAA is a middle class sport!
Needs its own thread!
Quote from: Walter Cronc on October 07, 2024, 08:11:30 PMQuote from: LC on October 07, 2024, 06:44:27 PMNot too familiar with Lurgan but is there a tendency for middle class people to align more with a specific club or clubs?
The GAA is a middle class sport!
It's definitely not.
Quote from: LC on October 07, 2024, 06:44:27 PMNot too familiar with Lurgan but is there a tendency for middle class people to align more with a specific club or clubs?
Lurgan is traditionally a proud working-class town and that would be reflected in the clubs memberships. I'd say Clann Éireann attract slightly more middle-class members solely because most of the recent private housing developments in the last 20-30 years has been in north Lurgan.
Quote from: general_lee on October 08, 2024, 10:27:33 AMQuote from: LC on October 07, 2024, 06:44:27 PMNot too familiar with Lurgan but is there a tendency for middle class people to align more with a specific club or clubs?
Lurgan is traditionally a proud working-class town and that would be reflected in the clubs memberships. I'd say Clann Éireann attract slightly more middle-class members solely because most of the recent private housing developments in the last 20-30 years has been in north Lurgan.
I always associated Clann Eireann with Kilwilkee? Hardly middle class. Maybe got that totally wrong
Quote from: Ronnie on October 07, 2024, 10:37:45 PMQuote from: Walter Cronc on October 07, 2024, 08:11:30 PMQuote from: LC on October 07, 2024, 06:44:27 PMNot too familiar with Lurgan but is there a tendency for middle class people to align more with a specific club or clubs?
The GAA is a middle class sport!
It's definitely not.
Also think it depends on the club. Can mind years ago St. Brigid's in Antrim owned an expensive mini bus to take their players to games, and in Tyrone Omagh have their own branded mini-bus. who do y'all reckon would be in the top 10 wealthiest clubs in the North?
Quote from: WT4E on October 08, 2024, 10:31:46 AMQuote from: general_lee on October 08, 2024, 10:27:33 AMQuote from: LC on October 07, 2024, 06:44:27 PMNot too familiar with Lurgan but is there a tendency for middle class people to align more with a specific club or clubs?
Lurgan is traditionally a proud working-class town and that would be reflected in the clubs memberships. I'd say Clann Éireann attract slightly more middle-class members solely because most of the recent private housing developments in the last 20-30 years has been in north Lurgan.
I always associated Clann Eireann with Kilwilkee? Hardly middle class. Maybe got that totally wrong
Yeah their main pitch is beside Kilwilke. They share Kilwilke and rest of north Lurgan catchment area with St Peter's.
Clann Eireann are very much associated with Kilwilkee. I wouldn't imagine their membership make up is much different than the other clubs in Lurgan.
Amazing work by Lurgan clubs in recent years that has contributed massively to Armagh's success. Compare this to a larger town like Newry, which has a huge nationalist/republican population, and the impact it has in Down GAA terms. Newry Shamrocks and Bosco both compete as middling intermediate sides and Mitchels haven't fielded in recent years.
Quote from: Rebel84 on October 08, 2024, 11:03:50 AMQuote from: Ronnie on October 07, 2024, 10:37:45 PMQuote from: Walter Cronc on October 07, 2024, 08:11:30 PMQuote from: LC on October 07, 2024, 06:44:27 PMNot too familiar with Lurgan but is there a tendency for middle class people to align more with a specific club or clubs?
The GAA is a middle class sport!
It's definitely not.
Also think it depends on the club. Can mind years ago St. Brigid's in Antrim owned an expensive mini bus to take their players to games, and in Tyrone Omagh have their own branded mini-bus. who do y'all reckon would be in the top 10 wealthiest clubs in the North?
I'd guess some of the clubs in Down would be from more middle class areas - Burren, Warrenpoint and Rostrevor for example?
I'd imagine the south belfast / periphery ones like carryduff and bredagh would be up there money wise.
Burren would be well backed ££
Quote from: Rebel84 on October 08, 2024, 11:03:50 AMQuote from: Ronnie on October 07, 2024, 10:37:45 PMQuote from: Walter Cronc on October 07, 2024, 08:11:30 PMQuote from: LC on October 07, 2024, 06:44:27 PMNot too familiar with Lurgan but is there a tendency for middle class people to align more with a specific club or clubs?
The GAA is a middle class sport!
It's definitely not.
Also think it depends on the club. Can mind years ago St. Brigid's in Antrim owned an expensive mini bus to take their players to games, and in Tyrone Omagh have their own branded mini-bus. who do y'all reckon would be in the top 10 wealthiest clubs in the North?
When discussing St Brigids it is worth noting that foreby all their wealthy members that the old adage 'You cant buy class' rings more true than ever.
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 07, 2024, 05:43:08 PMQuote from: general_lee on October 07, 2024, 11:25:22 AMQuote from: nrico2006 on October 07, 2024, 09:02:06 AMQuote from: general_lee on October 07, 2024, 07:11:27 AMQuote from: nrico2006 on October 06, 2024, 10:21:48 PMQuote from: general_lee on October 06, 2024, 10:12:26 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on October 06, 2024, 09:02:39 PMQuote from: general_lee on October 06, 2024, 08:32:27 PMI think they're the biggest club in the county by membership.
They won this year's minor championship, they're in the SFC final, their second string reached the IFC semifinals, their ladies are LGFA SFC champions, their junior ladies reached the final as well. They also won the LGFA minor championship.
How does having their affairs in order and seemingly being a well run club to achieve that make them a super club like in Dublin? Are they getting on outside players, big managers etc?
They've had outside players in the past. They've had outside managers in the past. They were coached last year by an outsider, not sure if this is still the case. Some of their best players' parents wouldn't be locals either. Of course none of these are pre-requisites for super-club status (imo). They're a big club with a big catchment area and they're well run as you say.
I'd say they have had as many outside players as any other club in Ireland.
Similar to the players parents point, where again a lot of people on any team will have a parent from another area.
On their catchment area, I wouldn't call it big whatsoever, especially in comparison with other town teams. Also, their catchment area also has a club from half a mile away competing for players too.
Out of the Lurgan clubs they've always got the blow-ins transfer wise, not that there are too many that come to Lurgan to begin with.
I'd love to know what you call a big catchment area if you don't think theirs is big. Majority of all new build development in the last 30 years has happened in north Lurgan. When the Heffrons, Turbitts, McCambridges et al settled in Lurgan with a choice between St Peter's & CE, there's only ever going to be one winner.
Their catchment area isn't big when you compare it to other town teams. Think of the likes of Portadown, Dungannon, Omagh, Cookstown or Strabane who would all have the pick of their towns.
Lurgan is bigger than all those towns bar Portadown. The electoral wards that make up Lurgan amount to a population just over 30k, approx 62% of which we can allow for GAA (18k). Clann Éireann have the lion's share of this.
My point is that most bigger towns usually have 1 team in the town, which would definitely give them as big a pick, if not bigger, than Clann Eireann, especially given the fact you have 4 other clubs in the area. Anybody got the member numbers per club in each county?
A 3 mile radius from CE club and you have St. Peter's, St Mary's Aghagallon, St Paul's, Clan Na Gael, Eire Og, Wolfe Tones. And then Sarsfields a few mile further out the road. CE are a great club even outside of football when you consider they have a thriving netball club and successful handball club too. Lurgan is very much a GAA town now! You see nothing but children running about in their GAA club and county gear. Great to see.
CE Cycling club still going?
Quote from: Take the Mark on October 08, 2024, 11:57:11 AMQuote from: Rebel84 on October 08, 2024, 11:03:50 AMQuote from: Ronnie on October 07, 2024, 10:37:45 PMQuote from: Walter Cronc on October 07, 2024, 08:11:30 PMQuote from: LC on October 07, 2024, 06:44:27 PMNot too familiar with Lurgan but is there a tendency for middle class people to align more with a specific club or clubs?
The GAA is a middle class sport!
It's definitely not.
Also think it depends on the club. Can mind years ago St. Brigid's in Antrim owned an expensive mini bus to take their players to games, and in Tyrone Omagh have their own branded mini-bus. who do y'all reckon would be in the top 10 wealthiest clubs in the North?
When discussing St Brigids it is worth noting that foreby all their wealthy members that the old adage 'You cant buy class' rings more true than ever.
Have they any notion of getting their own facilities ?
Quote from: bennydorano on October 08, 2024, 01:03:18 PMCE Cycling club still going?
Fell away badly. A fella who reads this forum made the big move across from Apollo and then CE Cycling Club wasn't long folding after.
Quote from: Kidder81 on October 08, 2024, 01:17:33 PMQuote from: Take the Mark on October 08, 2024, 11:57:11 AMQuote from: Rebel84 on October 08, 2024, 11:03:50 AMQuote from: Ronnie on October 07, 2024, 10:37:45 PMQuote from: Walter Cronc on October 07, 2024, 08:11:30 PMQuote from: LC on October 07, 2024, 06:44:27 PMNot too familiar with Lurgan but is there a tendency for middle class people to align more with a specific club or clubs?
The GAA is a middle class sport!
It's definitely not.
Also think it depends on the club. Can mind years ago St. Brigid's in Antrim owned an expensive mini bus to take their players to games, and in Tyrone Omagh have their own branded mini-bus. who do y'all reckon would be in the top 10 wealthiest clubs in the North?
When discussing St Brigids it is worth noting that foreby all their wealthy members that the old adage 'You cant buy class' rings more true than ever.
Have they any notion of getting their own facilities ?
One of the most profitable clubs in the county only recently got their own facilities a few years ago. Would say they may have some plans in place but sure the smart move would be to have a great set up without having to have a great outlay?
CE are reaping the benefits of a lot of planning and hard work put in over the last 20 years by many people
Quote from: JimStynes on October 08, 2024, 12:22:03 PMQuote from: nrico2006 on October 07, 2024, 05:43:08 PMQuote from: general_lee on October 07, 2024, 11:25:22 AMQuote from: nrico2006 on October 07, 2024, 09:02:06 AMQuote from: general_lee on October 07, 2024, 07:11:27 AMQuote from: nrico2006 on October 06, 2024, 10:21:48 PMQuote from: general_lee on October 06, 2024, 10:12:26 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on October 06, 2024, 09:02:39 PMQuote from: general_lee on October 06, 2024, 08:32:27 PMI think they're the biggest club in the county by membership.
They won this year's minor championship, they're in the SFC final, their second string reached the IFC semifinals, their ladies are LGFA SFC champions, their junior ladies reached the final as well. They also won the LGFA minor championship.
How does having their affairs in order and seemingly being a well run club to achieve that make them a super club like in Dublin? Are they getting on outside players, big managers etc?
They've had outside players in the past. They've had outside managers in the past. They were coached last year by an outsider, not sure if this is still the case. Some of their best players' parents wouldn't be locals either. Of course none of these are pre-requisites for super-club status (imo). They're a big club with a big catchment area and they're well run as you say.
I'd say they have had as many outside players as any other club in Ireland.
Similar to the players parents point, where again a lot of people on any team will have a parent from another area.
On their catchment area, I wouldn't call it big whatsoever, especially in comparison with other town teams. Also, their catchment area also has a club from half a mile away competing for players too.
Out of the Lurgan clubs they've always got the blow-ins transfer wise, not that there are too many that come to Lurgan to begin with.
I'd love to know what you call a big catchment area if you don't think theirs is big. Majority of all new build development in the last 30 years has happened in north Lurgan. When the Heffrons, Turbitts, McCambridges et al settled in Lurgan with a choice between St Peter's & CE, there's only ever going to be one winner.
Their catchment area isn't big when you compare it to other town teams. Think of the likes of Portadown, Dungannon, Omagh, Cookstown or Strabane who would all have the pick of their towns.
Lurgan is bigger than all those towns bar Portadown. The electoral wards that make up Lurgan amount to a population just over 30k, approx 62% of which we can allow for GAA (18k). Clann Éireann have the lion's share of this.
My point is that most bigger towns usually have 1 team in the town, which would definitely give them as big a pick, if not bigger, than Clann Eireann, especially given the fact you have 4 other clubs in the area. Anybody got the member numbers per club in each county?
A 3 mile radius from CE club and you have St. Peter's, St Mary's Aghagallon, St Paul's, Clan Na Gael, Eire Og, Wolfe Tones. And then Sarsfields a few mile further out the road. CE are a great club even outside of football when you consider they have a thriving netball club and successful handball club too. Lurgan is very much a GAA town now! You see nothing but children running about in their GAA club and county gear. Great to see.
Quote from: JimStynes on October 08, 2024, 12:22:03 PMQuote from: nrico2006 on October 07, 2024, 05:43:08 PMQuote from: general_lee on October 07, 2024, 11:25:22 AMQuote from: nrico2006 on October 07, 2024, 09:02:06 AMQuote from: general_lee on October 07, 2024, 07:11:27 AMQuote from: nrico2006 on October 06, 2024, 10:21:48 PMQuote from: general_lee on October 06, 2024, 10:12:26 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on October 06, 2024, 09:02:39 PMQuote from: general_lee on October 06, 2024, 08:32:27 PMI think they're the biggest club in the county by membership.
They won this year's minor championship, they're in the SFC final, their second string reached the IFC semifinals, their ladies are LGFA SFC champions, their junior ladies reached the final as well. They also won the LGFA minor championship.
How does having their affairs in order and seemingly being a well run club to achieve that make them a super club like in Dublin? Are they getting on outside players, big managers etc?
They've had outside players in the past. They've had outside managers in the past. They were coached last year by an outsider, not sure if this is still the case. Some of their best players' parents wouldn't be locals either. Of course none of these are pre-requisites for super-club status (imo). They're a big club with a big catchment area and they're well run as you say.
I'd say they have had as many outside players as any other club in Ireland.
Similar to the players parents point, where again a lot of people on any team will have a parent from another area.
On their catchment area, I wouldn't call it big whatsoever, especially in comparison with other town teams. Also, their catchment area also has a club from half a mile away competing for playersQuote from: JimStynes on October 08, 2024, 12:22:03 PMQuote from: nrico2006 on October 07, 2024, 05:43:08 PMQuote from: general_lee on October 07, 2024, 11:25:22 AMQuote from: nrico2006 on October 07, 2024, 09:02:06 AMQuote from: general_lee on October 07, 2024, 07:11:27 AMQuote from: nrico2006 on October 06, 2024, 10:21:48 PMQuote from: general_lee on October 06, 2024, 10:12:26 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on October 06, 2024, 09:02:39 PMQuote from: general_lee on October 06, 2024, 08:32:27 PMI think they're the biggest club in the county by membership.
They won this year's minor championship, they're in the SFC final, their second string reached the IFC semifinals, their ladies are LGFA SFC champions, their junior ladies reached the final as well. They also won the LGFA minor championship.
How does having their affairs in order and seemingly being a well run club to achieve that make them a super club like in Dublin? Are they getting on outside players, big managers etc?
They've had outside players in the past. They've had outside managers in the past. They were coached last year by an outsider, not sure if this is still the case. Some of their best players' parents wouldn't be locals either. Of course none of these are pre-requisites for super-club status (imo). They're a big club with a big catchment area and they're well run as you say.
I'd say they have had as many outside players as any other club in Ireland.
Similar to the players parents point, where again a lot of people on any team will have a parent from another area.
On their catchment area, I wouldn't call it big whatsoever, especially in comparison with other town teams. Also, their catchment area also has a club from half a mile away competing for players too.
Out of the Lurgan clubs they've always got the blow-ins transfer wise, not that there are too many that come to Lurgan to begin with.
I'd love to know what you call a big catchment area if you don't think theirs is big. Majority of all new build development in the last 30 years has happened in north Lurgan. When the Heffrons, Turbitts, McCambridges et al settled in Lurgan with a choice between St Peter's & CE, there's only ever going to be one winner.
Their catchment area isn't big when you compare it to other town teams. Think of the likes of Portadown, Dungannon, Omagh, Cookstown or Strabane who would all have the pick of their towns.
Lurgan is bigger than all those towns bar Portadown. The electoral wards that make up Lurgan amount to a population just over 30k, approx 62% of which we can allow for GAA (18k). Clann Éireann have the lion's share of this.
My point is that most bigger towns usually have 1 team in the town, which would definitely give them as big a pick, if not bigger, than Clann Eireann, especially given the fact you have 4 other clubs in the area. Anybody got the member numbers per club in each county?
A 3 mile radius from CE club and you have St. Peter's, St Mary's Aghagallon, St Paul's, Clan Na Gael, Eire Og, Wolfe Tones. And then Sarsfields a few mile further out the road. CE are a great club even outside of football when you consider they have a thriving netball club and successful handball club too. Lurgan is very much a GAA town now! You see nothing but children running about in their GAA club and county gear. Great to see.
too.
Out of the Lurgan clubs they've always got the blow-ins transfer wise, not that there are too many that come to Lurgan to begin with.
I'd love to know what you call a big catchment area if you don't think theirs is big. Majority of all new build development in the last 30 years has happened in north Lurgan. When the Heffrons, Turbitts, McCambridges et al settled in Lurgan with a choice between St Peter's & CE, there's only ever going to be one winner.
Their catchment area isn't big when you compare it to other town teams. Think of the likes of Portadown, Dungannon, Omagh, Cookstown or Strabane who would all have the pick of their towns.
Lurgan is bigger than all those towns bar Portadown. The electoral wards that make up Lurgan amount to a population just over 30k, approx 62% of which we can allow for GAA (18k). Clann Éireann have the lion's share of this.
My point is that most bigger towns usually have 1 team in the town, which would definitely give them as big a pick, if not bigger, than Clann Eireann, especially given the fact you have 4 other clubs in the area. Anybody got the member numbers per club in each county?
A 3 mile radius from CE club and you have St. Peter's, St Mary's Aghagallon, St Paul's, Clan Na Gael, Eire Og, Wolfe Tones. And then Sarsfields a few mile further out the road. CE are a great club even outside of football when you consider they have a thriving netball club and successful handball club too. Lurgan is very much a GAA town now! You see nothing but children running about in their GAA club and county gear. Great to see.
You can throw St Michaels in there too.
So I think below is where we are at. Wondering who the marquee player is in all teams left. Had a stab at a few I know.
ANTRIM: Portglenone v Cargin
ARMAGH: Clann Eireann (McCambridge) v Clan na nGael (Soupy)
CAVAN: Crosserlough v Ramor
DERRY: Glen (Glass)/Slaughtneil (McGuigan) v Newbridge/Magherafelt
DONEGAL: St Eunans v Dungloe
DOWN: Kilcoo v Burren
FERMANAGH: Enniskillen v Erne Gaels
MONAGHAN: Clontibret/Ballybay v Scotstown/Enniskeen
TYRONE: Errigal Ciaran (Darragh Canavan) v Trillick (Mattie Donnelly)
Not sure who you'd say for Kilcoo were always a team moreso than one or 2 standout individuals. Burren would be Murdock or Liam Kerr?
Quote from: WT4E on October 09, 2024, 10:49:42 AMSo I think below is where we are at. Wondering who the marquee player is in all teams left. Had a stab at a few I know.
ANTRIM: Portglenone v Cargin
ARMAGH: Clann Eireann (McCambridge) v Clan na nGael (Soupy)
CAVAN: Crosserlough v Ramor
DERRY: Glen (Glass)/Slaughtneil (McGuigan) v Newbridge/Magherafelt
DONEGAL: St Eunans v Dungloe
DOWN: Kilcoo v Burren
FERMANAGH: Enniskillen v Erne Gaels
MONAGHAN: Clontibret/Ballybay v Scotstown/Enniskeen
TYRONE: Errigal Ciaran (Darragh Canavan) v Trillick (Mattie Donnelly)
Crosserlough stand out would be Patrick Lynch but recovering from cruciate. So probably James Smith of Dara McVeety two county players.
Hard to know Ramors as they based on a tough defence but probably Jack Brady. Sean McEvoy would be but he's playing soccer in America.
Quote from: WT4E on October 09, 2024, 10:49:42 AMSo I think below is where we are at. Wondering who the marquee player is in all teams left. Had a stab at a few I know.
ANTRIM: Portglenone v Cargin
ARMAGH: Clann Eireann (McCambridge) v Clan na nGael (Soupy)
CAVAN: Crosserlough v Ramor
DERRY: Glen (Glass)/Slaughtneil (McGuigan) v Newbridge/Magherafelt
DONEGAL: St Eunans v Dungloe
DOWN: Kilcoo v Burren
FERMANAGH: Enniskillen v Erne Gaels
MONAGHAN: Clontibret/Ballybay v Scotstown/Enniskeen
TYRONE: Errigal Ciaran (Darragh Canavan) v Trillick (Mattie Donnelly)
Quote from: WT4E on October 09, 2024, 10:49:42 AMSo I think below is where we are at. Wondering who the marquee player is in all teams left. Had a stab at a few I know.
ANTRIM: Portglenone v Cargin
ARMAGH: Clann Eireann (McCambridge) v Clan na nGael (Soupy)
CAVAN: Crosserlough v Ramor
DERRY: Glen (Glass)/Slaughtneil (McGuigan) v Newbridge Conor Doherty/Magherafelt Eoin Mcevoy
DONEGAL: St Eunans v Dungloe
DOWN: Kilcoo v Burren
FERMANAGH: Enniskillen v Erne Gaels
MONAGHAN: Clontibret/Ballybay v Scotstown/Enniskeen
TYRONE: Errigal Ciaran (Darragh Canavan) v Trillick (Mattie Donnelly)
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 09, 2024, 11:45:38 AMNot sure who you'd say for Kilcoo were always a team moreso than one or 2 standout individuals. Burren would be Murdock or Liam Kerr?
yeah Burren would be Odhran Murdock or Liam Kerr, they also have All Ireland winner Paddy Burns in defence. Kilcoo would be Ryan McEvoy or Ryan Johnston (if fit), though Kilcoos strength is definitely being a 'team' rather than having any marquee players to depend on
Quote from: Sheedy on October 09, 2024, 04:31:05 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 09, 2024, 11:45:38 AMNot sure who you'd say for Kilcoo were always a team moreso than one or 2 standout individuals. Burren would be Murdock or Liam Kerr?
yeah Burren would be Odhran Murdock or Liam Kerr, they also have All Ireland winner Paddy Burns in defence. Kilcoo would be Ryan McEvoy or Ryan Johnston (if fit), though Kilcoos strength is definitely being a 'team' rather than having any marquee players to depend on
Forgot all about Paddy being with Burren, a super defender imo, is Jerome Johnston still with Kilcoo? Would say he's a marquee forward
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 09, 2024, 04:51:52 PMQuote from: Sheedy on October 09, 2024, 04:31:05 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 09, 2024, 11:45:38 AMNot sure who you'd say for Kilcoo were always a team moreso than one or 2 standout individuals. Burren would be Murdock or Liam Kerr?
yeah Burren would be Odhran Murdock or Liam Kerr, they also have All Ireland winner Paddy Burns in defence. Kilcoo would be Ryan McEvoy or Ryan Johnston (if fit), though Kilcoos strength is definitely being a 'team' rather than having any marquee players to depend on
Forgot all about Paddy being with Burren, a super defender imo, is Jerome Johnston still with Kilcoo? Would say he's a marquee forward
Jerome is still there, usually at full forward, his best days are probably behind him though.
Start of the county deciders this weekend:
Antrim (Cargin v Portglenone)
Donegal (St Eunan's v Dungloe)
Down (Kilcoo v Burren)
Derry & Monaghan at semi final stage this weekend.
Armagh, Cavan, Fermanagh & Tyrone finals next weekend.
Do we fancy any shocks or will most games be a formality? Glen/Slaughtneil tie of the weekend?
Surely Burren have got to start giving Kilcoo a game? What age would those u20's be who made up the bulk of the Down Ulster winning team a few years ago?
As for Armagh next week, very hard to call, neighbouring teams both stacked with talent, biggest names will be poty nominee Barry McCambridge for Clann Eirean, all star nominee Conor Turbitt, Clann Eireann all star nominee in the eyes of most sensible people Soupy Campbell (Clan Na Gael) and Shane McPartlan and Tiernan Kelly (Clan Na Gael and Clann Eireann respectively).
Hard to call, Clan Na Gael got a lesson off Cross in last years final after beating Clann Eireann as underdogs in the semi. Clann Eireann won it in 2021 but have underwhelmed since.
Both have plenty of experience and youth, have won the last 2 or 3 minor titles between them as well so the future is bright in Lurgan.
My prediction is Clann Eireann by 2 or 3, just think they've that wee bit extra, McCambridge or Heffron will keep Soupy relatively quiet which will go a long way.
Quote from: WT4E on October 09, 2024, 10:49:42 AMSo I think below is where we are at. Wondering who the marquee player is in all teams left. Had a stab at a few I know.
ANTRIM: Portglenone v Cargin
ARMAGH: Clann Eireann (McCambridge) v Clan na nGael (Soupy)
CAVAN: Crosserlough v Ramor
DERRY: Glen (Glass)/Slaughtneil (McGuigan) v Newbridge/Magherafelt
DONEGAL: St Eunans v Dungloe
DOWN: Kilcoo v Burren
FERMANAGH: Enniskillen v Erne Gaels
MONAGHAN: Clontibret/Ballybay v Scotstown/Enniskeen
TYRONE: Errigal Ciaran (Darragh Canavan) v Trillick (Mattie Donnelly)
Eunans - Shaun Patton, Niall O'Donnell, Shane O'Donnell, Ciaran Moore all started for Donegal this year. Caolan Ward has played plenty senior intercounty.
Dungloe - Mark Curran - regular starting corner back for Donegal last two seasons
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 11, 2024, 07:18:44 PMSurely Burren have got to start giving Kilcoo a game? What age would those u20's be who made up the bulk of the Down Ulster winning team a few years ago?
As for Armagh next week, very hard to call, neighbouring teams both stacked with talent, biggest names will be poty nominee Barry McCambridge for Clann Eirean, all star nominee Conor Turbitt, Clann Eireann all star nominee in the eyes of most sensible people Soupy Campbell (Clan Na Gael) and Shane McPartlan and Tiernan Kelly (Clan Na Gael and Clann Eireann respectively).
Hard to call, Clan Na Gael got a lesson off Cross in last years final after beating Clann Eireann as underdogs in the semi. Clann Eireann won it in 2021 but have underwhelmed since.
Both have plenty of experience and youth, have won the last 2 or 3 minor titles between them as well so the future is bright in Lurgan.
My prediction is Clann Eireann by 2 or 3, just think they've that wee bit extra, McCambridge or Heffron will keep Soupy relatively quiet which will go a long way.
They didn't last year and that was the winning of the game soupy put on a tour de force when the game looked over before clann eireann got a foolish red card.If Sean McCarthy doesn't make it be a huge loss for CE as he would probably have got the job on mcpartlan again and revels in the man marking roles.Heffron at the back is a massive addition to CE they have the best defence in Armagh.ce by 2.
CE with a full pack should have too much for the Clans. Stopping the main threats of Campbell, McPartlan and O'Neill is no easy task but they're probably the only team in the county that have the players to do it.
On the other hand I don't know if Clans have the players to stop CE's big hitters, which are numerous. Turbo, TK, McCambridge are the obvious ones but they're strong across their first 15 plus the players they have to spring from the bench - probably the deciding factor
Quote from: general_lee on October 08, 2024, 10:27:33 AMQuote from: LC on October 07, 2024, 06:44:27 PMNot too familiar with Lurgan but is there a tendency for middle class people to align more with a specific club or clubs?
Lurgan is traditionally a proud working-class town and that would be reflected in the clubs memberships. I'd say Clann Éireann attract slightly more middle-class members solely because most of the recent private housing developments in the last 20-30 years has been in north Lurgan.
This in spades ( pardon the pun).
Thousands of new houses in their catchment area in the last 20 years.
Quote from: general_lee on October 13, 2024, 10:43:08 AMCE with a full pack should have too much for the Clans. Stopping the main threats of Campbell, McPartlan and O'Neill is no easy task but they're probably the only team in the county that have the players to do it.
On the other hand I don't know if Clans have the players to stop CE's big hitters, which are numerous. Turbo, TK, McCambridge are the obvious ones but they're strong across their first 15 plus the players they have to spring from the bench - probably the deciding factor
Clann Eireann have traditionally been a bit soft on the underbelly and don't like the physical stuff, always have been for as long as i remember...Just saying.
Maybe these new young lads coming through have a bit more about them.
Down senior final result. Kilcoo 1-10 Burren 0-4.
Late goal seals the win for Glenn and puts them into another Derry final with 1-9 to 0-9 win.
Hard luck to Dungloe. Equalizing penalty in the last minute of normal time, only for Eunans to knock over three points in injury to win it.
Eunans 1-13 Dungloe 1-10
Quote from: illdecide on October 13, 2024, 04:08:49 PMQuote from: general_lee on October 13, 2024, 10:43:08 AMCE with a full pack should have too much for the Clans. Stopping the main threats of Campbell, McPartlan and O'Neill is no easy task but they're probably the only team in the county that have the players to do it.
On the other hand I don't know if Clans have the players to stop CE's big hitters, which are numerous. Turbo, TK, McCambridge are the obvious ones but they're strong across their first 15 plus the players they have to spring from the bench - probably the deciding factor
Clann Eireann have traditionally been a bit soft on the underbelly and don't like the physical stuff, always have been for as long as i remember...Just saying. Maybe these new young lads coming through have a bit more about them.
I had a post typed out saying something similar but thought better of it, mentally fragile maybe as well, but these are the things breakthrough teams have to overcome.
Seen the down result, is there a mental thing with Burren about beating kilcoo?
4 points is a terrible return for a team contesting a final
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on October 13, 2024, 06:55:01 PMSeen the down result, is there a mental thing with Burren about beating kilcoo?
4 points is a terrible return for a team contesting a final
Try the whole of Down.
Burren just add more flavour to the feast by getting to the final more often.
Getting whittled down now:
ANTRIM: Cargin (McCann)
ARMAGH: Clann Eireann (McCambridge) v Clan na nGael (Soupy)
CAVAN: Crosserlough (McVeety) v Ramor (Brady)
DERRY: Glen (Glass) v Newbridge
DONEGAL: St Eunans (O'Donnell)
DOWN: Kilcoo (McEvoy)
FERMANAGH: Enniskillen v Erne Gaels
MONAGHAN: Clontibret v Scotstown
TYRONE: Errigal Ciaran (Darragh Canavan) v Trillick (Mattie Donnelly)
Quote from: WT4E on October 13, 2024, 11:34:46 PMGetting whittled down now:
ANTRIM: Cargin (McCann)
ARMAGH: Clann Eireann (McCambridge) v Clan na nGael (Soupy)
CAVAN: Crosserlough (McVeety) v Ramor (Brady)
DERRY: Glen (Glass) v Newbridge
DONEGAL: St Eunans (O'Donnell)
DOWN: Kilcoo (McEvoy)
FERMANAGH: Enniskillen v Erne Gaels
MONAGHAN: Clontibret v Scotstown
TYRONE: Errigal Ciaran (Darragh Canavan) v Trillick (Mattie Donnelly)
I see Mansy was playing for Clontibret at the weekend. Surely he's still their top dog?
Quote from: general_lee on October 14, 2024, 01:12:47 PMQuote from: WT4E on October 13, 2024, 11:34:46 PMGetting whittled down now:
ANTRIM: Cargin (McCann)
ARMAGH: Clann Eireann (McCambridge) v Clan na nGael (Soupy)
CAVAN: Crosserlough (McVeety) v Ramor (Brady)
DERRY: Glen (Glass) v Newbridge
DONEGAL: St Eunans (O'Donnell)
DOWN: Kilcoo (McEvoy)
FERMANAGH: Enniskillen v Erne Gaels
MONAGHAN: Clontibret v Scotstown
TYRONE: Errigal Ciaran (Darragh Canavan) v Trillick (Mattie Donnelly)
I see Mansy was playing for Clontibret at the weekend. Surely he's still their top dog?
Wasnt sure on that one so left it out. What about Scotstown the Hughes men still their go to or would it be some of the younger guns, probably McCarron come to think of it?
Quote from: WT4E on October 13, 2024, 11:34:46 PMGetting whittled down now:
ANTRIM: Cargin (McCann)
ARMAGH: Clann Eireann (McCambridge) v Clan na nGael (Soupy)
CAVAN: Crosserlough (McVeety) v Ramor (Brady)
DERRY: Glen (Glass) v Newbridge
DONEGAL: St Eunans (O'Donnell)
DOWN: Kilcoo (McEvoy)
FERMANAGH: Enniskillen v Erne Gaels
MONAGHAN: Clontibret v Scotstown
TYRONE: Errigal Ciaran (Darragh Canavan) v Trillick (Mattie Donnelly)
Brían O'Connell probably the Cavan starter for Ramor, Liam Brady lost his place when injured this year
What is the draw for the Ulster Championship?
Are Kilcoo and the Derry Champions (Glen) on opposite sides?
Quote from: LC on October 14, 2024, 06:14:46 PMWhat is the draw for the Ulster Championship?
Are Kilcoo and the Derry Champions (Glen) on opposite sides?
They are yeah.
Quarter-finals (November 9/10)
(A) Fermanagh v Monaghan
(B) Down v Cavan
(C) Derry v Armagh
(D) Antrim v Tyrone/Donegal
Semi-finals (November 23/24)
A v B
C v D
Final (December 7/8)
UTV sports report on 6 news saying kilcoo won ulster club at weekend. Crap gaa coverage as usual
Quote from: Low and Hard on October 14, 2024, 06:33:04 PMUTV sports report on 6 news saying kilcoo won ulster club at weekend. Crap gaa coverage as usual
6 Ulsters in a row they said didn't they? Fair play to Kilcoo lol.
Would be interested to see how Clann Eireann do against Glen.
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 14, 2024, 07:42:08 PMWould be interested to see how Clann Eireann do against Glen.
I'd say Glen would beat them handy enough.
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 14, 2024, 07:42:08 PMWould be interested to see how Clann Eireann do against Glen.
Couldn't see CE doing much against them. I'd be pleasantly surprised if they got within 4-5 points.
Quote from: p3427977 on October 14, 2024, 06:28:00 PMQuote from: LC on October 14, 2024, 06:14:46 PMWhat is the draw for the Ulster Championship?
Are Kilcoo and the Derry Champions (Glen) on opposite sides?
They are yeah.
Quarter-finals (November 9/10)
(A) Fermanagh v Monaghan
(B) Down v Cavan
(C) Derry v Armagh
(D) Antrim v Tyrone/Donegal
Semi-finals (November 23/24)
A v B
C v D
Final (December 7/8)
Is Eunans v Tyrone winners the first weekend of November?
Presume that will be Omagh?
Quote from: J70 on October 15, 2024, 04:15:40 PMQuote from: p3427977 on October 14, 2024, 06:28:00 PMQuote from: LC on October 14, 2024, 06:14:46 PMWhat is the draw for the Ulster Championship?
Are Kilcoo and the Derry Champions (Glen) on opposite sides?
They are yeah.
Quarter-finals (November 9/10)
(A) Fermanagh v Monaghan
(B) Down v Cavan
(C) Derry v Armagh
(D) Antrim v Tyrone/Donegal
Semi-finals (November 23/24)
A v B
C v D
Final (December 7/8)
Is Eunans v Tyrone winners the first weekend of November?
Presume that will be Omagh?
Yes and yes
https://ulster.gaa.ie/fixtures-and-results/
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 14, 2024, 07:42:08 PMWould be interested to see how Clann Eireann do against Glen.
I dunno. Clann Eireann are a well oiled machine and could win Ulster handy enough this year, a team full of County players who have Championship pedigree and have done it all before so many times. Wee buns to the Shore Road men
Quote from: illdecide on October 15, 2024, 07:24:13 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 14, 2024, 07:42:08 PMWould be interested to see how Clann Eireann do against Glen.
I dunno. Clann Eireann are a well oiled machine and could win Ulster handy enough this year, a team full of County players who have Championship pedigree and have done it all before so many times. Wee buns to the Shore Road men
You were born in Kilwilkie weren't you? Surely a big Clann Eireann or Peters man?
Quote from: JimStynes on October 15, 2024, 08:05:39 PMQuote from: illdecide on October 15, 2024, 07:24:13 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 14, 2024, 07:42:08 PMWould be interested to see how Clann Eireann do against Glen.
I dunno. Clann Eireann are a well oiled machine and could win Ulster handy enough this year, a team full of County players who have Championship pedigree and have done it all before so many times. Wee buns to the Shore Road men
You were born in Kilwilkie weren't you? Surely a big Clann Eireann or Peters man?
Yeah, big Clann Eireann man. Sure that's why I'm tipping them to win Ulster🤷�♂️
Quote from: illdecide on October 15, 2024, 07:24:13 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 14, 2024, 07:42:08 PMWould be interested to see how Clann Eireann do against Glen.
I dunno. Clann Eireann are a well oiled machine and could win Ulster handy enough this year, a team full of County players who have Championship pedigree and have done it all before so many times. Wee buns to the Shore Road men
Picked up my mantle very well there young son....
Quote from: illdecide on October 15, 2024, 07:24:13 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 14, 2024, 07:42:08 PMWould be interested to see how Clann Eireann do against Glen.
I dunno. Clann Eireann are a well oiled machine and could win Ulster handy enough this year, a team full of County players who have Championship pedigree and have done it all before so many times. Wee buns to the Shore Road men
100%. I watched Glen at the weekend there and Clann Eireann would certainly have nothing to fear going into that match. They will fancy themselves and rightly so.
Quote from: lurganblue on October 16, 2024, 09:24:47 AMQuote from: illdecide on October 15, 2024, 07:24:13 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 14, 2024, 07:42:08 PMWould be interested to see how Clann Eireann do against Glen.
I dunno. Clann Eireann are a well oiled machine and could win Ulster handy enough this year, a team full of County players who have Championship pedigree and have done it all before so many times. Wee buns to the Shore Road men
100%. I watched Glen at the weekend there and Clann Eireann would certainly have nothing to fear going into that match. They will fancy themselves and rightly so.
Awk lads.
On a serious note would love to see whichever Lurgan team comes out of Armagh give Ulster a real rattle and it is a pity they've been drawn against Glen in the first round.
Clann Eireann did have a win or 2 in 2021 if I remember rightly whereas I don't think Clanns got to play in Ulster the year they won their intermediate due to covid.
I couldn't see Clann Éireann or Clan na Gael troubling Glen. CÉ have a big county contingent but have been ropey enough in Armagh since their last Ulster foray, where they were badly found out against a Derrygonnelly side that went and got thumped by Kilcoo in the final.
I get the feeling that for an Armagh club to be challenging the best at provincial level they need consistency. The closest we've had to that is a tactically inept and (this year) out of sorts Crossmaglen team.
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 16, 2024, 09:28:27 AMQuote from: lurganblue on October 16, 2024, 09:24:47 AMQuote from: illdecide on October 15, 2024, 07:24:13 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 14, 2024, 07:42:08 PMWould be interested to see how Clann Eireann do against Glen.
I dunno. Clann Eireann are a well oiled machine and could win Ulster handy enough this year, a team full of County players who have Championship pedigree and have done it all before so many times. Wee buns to the Shore Road men
100%. I watched Glen at the weekend there and Clann Eireann would certainly have nothing to fear going into that match. They will fancy themselves and rightly so.
Awk lads.
On a serious note would love to see whichever Lurgan team comes out of Armagh give Ulster a real rattle and it is a pity they've been drawn against Glen in the first round.
Clann Eireann did have a win or 2 in 2021 if I remember rightly whereas I don't think Clanns got to play in Ulster the year they won their intermediate due to covid.
CE beat Creggan after extra time, but were badly short against Derrygonnelly the next day out. If Clan na gael win they will be on the drink for a week and couldn't see them getting near Glen, CE possibly to a lesser extent given they have won championship in the not so distant past. Was a shame for Clan Na Gael never got a run in ulster intermediate as would have been one of the strongest representatives to come out of Armagh the last 10/15 years.
Quote from: general_lee on October 16, 2024, 10:23:44 AMI couldn't see Clann Éireann or Clan na Gael troubling Glen. CÉ have a big county contingent but have been ropey enough in Armagh since their last Ulster foray, where they were badly found out against a Derrygonnelly side that went and got thumped by Kilcoo in the final.
I get the feeling that for an Armagh club to be challenging the best at provincial level they need consistency. The closest we've had to that is a tactically inept and (this year) out of sorts Crossmaglen team.
Wouldn't watch Armagh football but they've won 2 in a row and won well both times in those finals. Do they play different in Ulster? Looked more cautious against Trillick first round last year than I assume they would have played against Clan na Gael in last years final
Some teams in Armagh still fear Cross. Others just aren't equipped to handle their main men, so their shortcomings aren't really exposed as much. We saw against the two Lurgan teams this year though that they can be overly reliant on a couple of players, not taking into account what they as a team have went through this year. I think a break will do them no harm, injuries will clear up and a new management team will see them revived for 2025. In terms of how they approached Trillick, they came up against a tactically superior side, simple as.
Championships with promotion and relegation are the norm.
League is....only th'oul League.
Trillick/Errigal v St. Eunan's already penciled in at 7.15 on a Saturday suggests RTE coverage
Fermanagh final postponed to next Sunday
Armagh cancelled as well
Quote from: Square Ball on October 20, 2024, 04:35:40 PMArmagh cancelled as well
Should have been called off this morning and not 30 mins before throw in. Fixed for 6 next sat evening
Cavan final 2 2 half time.
Crosserlough beat Ramor 2 6 to 0 4 in horrendous conditions.
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 20, 2024, 04:42:17 PMQuote from: Square Ball on October 20, 2024, 04:35:40 PMArmagh cancelled as well
Should have been called off this morning and not 30 mins before throw in. Fixed for 6 next sat evening
PSNI made the call apparently, not Armagh GAA
Quote from: Dreadnought on October 21, 2024, 11:23:53 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on October 20, 2024, 04:42:17 PMQuote from: Square Ball on October 20, 2024, 04:35:40 PMArmagh cancelled as well
Should have been called off this morning and not 30 mins before throw in. Fixed for 6 next sat evening
PSNI made the call apparently, not Armagh GAA
Armagh could have been endangering public safety in the view of the PSNI, but they could have simply looked at the weather forecast and prevented things getting to that.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 21, 2024, 12:10:25 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on October 21, 2024, 11:23:53 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on October 20, 2024, 04:42:17 PMQuote from: Square Ball on October 20, 2024, 04:35:40 PMArmagh cancelled as well
Should have been called off this morning and not 30 mins before throw in. Fixed for 6 next sat evening
PSNI made the call apparently, not Armagh GAA
Armagh could have been endangering public safety in the view of the PSNI, but they could have simply looked at the weather forecast and prevented things getting to that.
Yeah i get you, just saying who actually made the call here
In Armagh did a final go ahead before the senior final - then the cops called off the senior final?
Quote from: Taylor on October 21, 2024, 01:48:04 PMIn Armagh did a final go ahead before the senior final - then the cops called off the senior final?
Carrickcruppen beat St Paul's in the Intermediate final. I think there was talk of abandoning that match at half time but the second match was called off with people still arriving into the ground. Bit of a shambles, both matches should have just been postponed.
Quote from: Dreadnought on October 21, 2024, 12:42:56 PMQuote from: armaghniac on October 21, 2024, 12:10:25 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on October 21, 2024, 11:23:53 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on October 20, 2024, 04:42:17 PMQuote from: Square Ball on October 20, 2024, 04:35:40 PMArmagh cancelled as well
Should have been called off this morning and not 30 mins before throw in. Fixed for 6 next sat evening
PSNI made the call apparently, not Armagh GAA
Armagh could have been endangering public safety in the view of the PSNI, but they could have simply looked at the weather forecast and prevented things getting to that.
Yeah i get you, just saying who actually made the call here
point is, they should have called it that morning. Armagh GAA that is
Result in the Tyrone final played tonight Errigal Ciaran 0-12 Trí Leac 1-8.
Quote from: Blowitupref on October 25, 2024, 09:10:48 PMResult in the Tyrone final played tonight Errigal Ciaran 0-12 Trí Leac 1-8.
Best in country over... all down hill from here ;)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 25, 2024, 09:34:13 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on October 25, 2024, 09:10:48 PMResult in the Tyrone final played tonight Errigal Ciaran 0-12 Trí Leac 1-8.
Best in country over... all down hill from here ;)
Certainly the most competitive
Derry man agrees... https://www.irishnews.com/gaa/errigal-ciaran-win-the-best-county-final-of-2024-IMMLB6QBV5BNBLMJLTQKIHPSNI/?fbclid=IwY2xjawGI61lleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHTOz2uQ06d24FfcLIaLT6JFftMQs4keNSTDJNaIkFV0iDECOW0fdenXrQA_aem_KHVGpdFSrFTwhvKvpnE5OQ
Goalposts have moved - another Derryman
Quote from: Truthsayer on October 25, 2024, 09:44:01 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on October 25, 2024, 09:34:13 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on October 25, 2024, 09:10:48 PMResult in the Tyrone final played tonight Errigal Ciaran 0-12 Trí Leac 1-8.
Best in country over... all down hill from here ;)
Certainly the most competitive
Derry man agrees... https://www.irishnews.com/gaa/errigal-ciaran-win-the-best-county-final-of-2024-IMMLB6QBV5BNBLMJLTQKIHPSNI/?fbclid=IwY2xjawGI61lleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHTOz2uQ06d24FfcLIaLT6JFftMQs4keNSTDJNaIkFV0iDECOW0fdenXrQA_aem_KHVGpdFSrFTwhvKvpnE5OQ
The Donegal champions are quaking ;D
Since Tyrone's last senior Ulster winner Errigal Ciarán in 2002 it's been won by.
Crossmagalen 8 (Armagh)
Slaughtneil 3,Glen 2, Ballinderry, Loup (Derry)
St Galls 2 (Antrim)
Gaoth Dobhair (Donegal)
Kilcoo 2 (Down)
And in in that time only once has Tyrone team reached the Ulster final, Omagh St Endas in 2014. Up to Errigal Ciarán to improve on that poor record and should be capable when they have some of Tyrone's best county players and managed by former All-Ireland winner and All Star Enda McGinley.
@Wildweasel74 you are correct the above edited.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 25, 2024, 11:04:03 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 25, 2024, 09:44:01 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on October 25, 2024, 09:34:13 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on October 25, 2024, 09:10:48 PMResult in the Tyrone final played tonight Errigal Ciaran 0-12 Trí Leac 1-8.
Best in country over... all down hill from here ;)
Certainly the most competitive
Derry man agrees... https://www.irishnews.com/gaa/errigal-ciaran-win-the-best-county-final-of-2024-IMMLB6QBV5BNBLMJLTQKIHPSNI/?fbclid=IwY2xjawGI61lleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHTOz2uQ06d24FfcLIaLT6JFftMQs4keNSTDJNaIkFV0iDECOW0fdenXrQA_aem_KHVGpdFSrFTwhvKvpnE5OQ
The Donegal champions are quaking ;D
Changed your speel from best in country over :D try harder...
Playing a Co Final on a Friday night??
Slaughtneil not win 3?
Think the last 2 weekends showed why Tyrone has the best Championships in the land. Pure edge-of-seat stuff and high quality. Also reffed by the best refs in the land.
Quote from: Rossfan on October 26, 2024, 12:09:08 AMPlaying a Co Final on a Friday night??
Called off last week due to storm, Ulster first round next week so was the earliest they could fit it in
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 25, 2024, 11:20:23 PMSince Tyrone's last senior Ulster winner Errigal Ciarán in 2002 it's been won by.
Crossmagalen 8 (Armagh)
Slaughtneil 3,Glen 2, Ballinderry, Loup (Derry)
St Galls 2 (Antrim)
Gaoth Dobhair (Donegal)
Kilcoo 2 (Down)
And in in that time only once has Tyrone team reached the Ulster final, Omagh St Endas in 2014. Up to Errigal Ciarán to improve on that poor record and should be capable when they have some of Tyrone's best county players and managed by former All-Ireland winner and All Star Enda McGinley.
@Wildweasel74 you are correct the above edited.
Why does been an all star and all Ireland winner matter as manager ?
Quote from: ONeill on October 26, 2024, 12:22:39 AMThink the last 2 weekends showed why Tyrone has the best Championships in the land. Pure edge-of-seat stuff and high quality. Also reffed by the best refs in the land.
The full 2 points in the last 18 minutes were just a treat
Spoilt by the high standard of football.
Where else would you get it ?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 25, 2024, 11:20:23 PMSince Tyrone's last senior Ulster winner Errigal Ciarán in 2002 it's been won by.
Crossmagalen 8 (Armagh)
Slaughtneil 3,Glen 2, Ballinderry, Loup (Derry)
St Galls 2 (Antrim)
Gaoth Dobhair (Donegal)
Kilcoo 2 (Down)
And in in that time only once has Tyrone team reached the Ulster final, Omagh St Endas in 2014. Up to Errigal Ciarán to improve on that poor record and should be capable when they have some of Tyrone's best county players and managed by former All-Ireland winner and All Star Enda McGinley.
@Wildweasel74 you are correct the above edited.
I can never understand why people constantly bring up Tyrone clubs poor record in Ulster thinking it somehow proves the standard of club football in Tyrone is poor when in matter of fact it proves the opposite. During that time Tyrone won more all Irelands than every other Ulster county combined. During that time 9 different clubs won the championship with only carrickmore in 04/05 retaining it. That's why it's the best/most competitive. Other counties have had stronger clubs than Tyrone, and many would have won their county championship without getting out of second gear.
Quote from: FermGael on October 26, 2024, 08:28:38 AMQuote from: ONeill on October 26, 2024, 12:22:39 AMThink the last 2 weekends showed why Tyrone has the best Championships in the land. Pure edge-of-seat stuff and high quality. Also reffed by the best refs in the land.
The full 2 points in the last 18 minutes were just a treat
Spoilt by the high standard of football.
Where else would you get it ?
The cat and mouse tactics, the bravery of the teams to come through the toughest in the land, better than the hurling final (apparently) lads dying with their (unused) boots on, absorbing low scoring high intensity game, phew no wonder they have nothing left after so many games played, (4) to give the B championship (all Ireland club) a rattle! Next stop, the best league in the world to sort out..
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 26, 2024, 08:42:51 AMQuote from: FermGael on October 26, 2024, 08:28:38 AMQuote from: ONeill on October 26, 2024, 12:22:39 AMThink the last 2 weekends showed why Tyrone has the best Championships in the land. Pure edge-of-seat stuff and high quality. Also reffed by the best refs in the land.
The full 2 points in the last 18 minutes were just a treat
Spoilt by the high standard of football.
Where else would you get it ?
The cat and mouse tactics, the bravery of the teams to come through the toughest in the land, better than the hurling final (apparently) lads dying with their (unused) boots on, absorbing low scoring high intensity game, phew no wonder they have nothing left after so many games played, (4) to give the B championship (all Ireland club) a rattle! Next stop, the best league in the world to sort out..
The jealously here... meanwhile in Antrim... where?!
It was a good game lads. And well reffed. Let's just leave it at that.
A very good game.. is a highly competitive entertaining championship.. Tyrone teams haven't done well in Ulster. Thems the facts. I can't understand the begrudgery to it consistently being such a good championship.
Quote from: Truthsayer on October 26, 2024, 08:46:36 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on October 26, 2024, 08:42:51 AMQuote from: FermGael on October 26, 2024, 08:28:38 AMQuote from: ONeill on October 26, 2024, 12:22:39 AMThink the last 2 weekends showed why Tyrone has the best Championships in the land. Pure edge-of-seat stuff and high quality. Also reffed by the best refs in the land.
The full 2 points in the last 18 minutes were just a treat
Spoilt by the high standard of football.
Where else would you get it ?
The cat and mouse tactics, the bravery of the teams to come through the toughest in the land, better than the hurling final (apparently) lads dying with their (unused) boots on, absorbing low scoring high intensity game, phew no wonder they have nothing left after so many games played, (4) to give the B championship (all Ireland club) a rattle! Next stop, the best league in the world to sort out..
The jealously here... meanwhile in Antrim... where?!
It's hard to know but it must be close to the worst.
Quote from: Truthsayer on October 26, 2024, 08:53:42 AMA very good game.. is a highly competitive entertaining championship.. Tyrone teams haven't done well in Ulster. Thems the facts. I can't understand the begrudgery to it consistently being such a good championship.
It's a good championship alright but it's Tyrone ones who say it's the best football championship in Ulster BUT come Ulster club championship time, they haven't produced the goods when required this past 20 years. They use excuses such as a straight through knock-out championship as if other teams don't have quarter-finals, semi-finals or a final. Or even hurling games through in the mix also.
Hopefully EC will give it a good rattle this year.
I think the club championships, junior - senior have been a fantastic addition to the GAA. TG4's coverage plus AIB's sponsorship has been invaluable.
It's a great competition at all levels.
Let's be honest it was no major surprise that Trillick & Errigal made the final. If anything they have it easy in Tyrone, it takes 3 matches to reach the final.
It was mildly entertaining at the start to constantly refer back to this "best championship" crap. But f**k me, we must be on year 5 of it now. And it's as much non Tyrone ones bring it up now for the "bantz".
Got to the stage where it's killed discussion of the actual game as it's inevitable it'll descend into this.
Quote from: general_lee on October 26, 2024, 10:07:02 AMLet's be honest it was no major surprise that Trillick & Errigal made the final. If anything they have it easy in Tyrone, it takes 3 matches to reach the final.
It took Errigal 4 as they the went to a replay in the quarter final (which in some ways undermines your other point) but Trillick got to the final comfortably enough.
If we're being honest, championships don't really begin in other counties until it becomes knockout. The preamble in Antrim & Derry, for example, is futile. It definitely doesn't make the championship more difficult for the good teams either. In fact, they can blow off the cobwebs of a shitty performance with zero jeopardy.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 26, 2024, 10:35:02 AMQuote from: general_lee on October 26, 2024, 10:07:02 AMLet's be honest it was no major surprise that Trillick & Errigal made the final. If anything they have it easy in Tyrone, it takes 3 matches to reach the final.
It took Errigal 4 as they the went to a replay in the quarter final (which in some ways undermines your other point) but Trillick got to the final comfortably enough.
If we're being honest, championships don't really begin in other counties until it becomes knockout. The preamble in Antrim & Derry, for example, is futile. It definitely doesn't make the championship more difficult for the good teams either. In fact, they can blow off the cobwebs of a shitty performance with zero jeopardy.
We've done all manner of championships over the years, straight knockouts back doors groups .. in all that time the same thing happens, Tyrone teams fail in Ulster
I don't base how good a championship is on how the winners do after that.
The Antrim championship was downright awful when St Galls won it at a canter and performed well thereafter.
It's still pretty poor now even though the Antrim winners perform poorly in Ulster but it is at least a bit more interesting.
By your logic, the Leinster championship was the best in Ireland when the Dubs were strolling the All Ireland and the Munster championship was the best in Ireland when Kerry were doing similar. For me, they were almost unwatchable.
Look if you can't see this is a wind up then I can't help you.
You bowed out of that quicker than a Tyrone team in Ulster. That's disappointing.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 26, 2024, 11:07:48 AMYou bowed out of that quicker than a Tyrone team in Ulster. That's disappointing.
There ya go, that's the spirit
I'm surprised they don't have all these clippings posted every year for motivation
Quote from: PMG1 on October 26, 2024, 05:54:46 AMQuote from: Rossfan on October 26, 2024, 12:09:08 AMPlaying a Co Final on a Friday night??
Called off last week due to storm, Ulster first round next week so was the earliest they could fit it in
That explains it, thanks.
Quote from: Rossfan on October 26, 2024, 11:24:30 AMQuote from: PMG1 on October 26, 2024, 05:54:46 AMQuote from: Rossfan on October 26, 2024, 12:09:08 AMPlaying a Co Final on a Friday night??
Called off last week due to storm, Ulster first round next week so was the earliest they could fit it in
That explains it, thanks.
They also had to factor in a possible replay ( if required - on Monday!) before next weekends preliminary round of Ulster Club
This craic of Tyrone having the best championship is for me down to a few factors which put it definitely up there. The promotion and coverage of it for a start is well ahead of the rest, the change in winners and competiveness of it each year is another. And the organisation and officiating is on a different level than most others. Certainly a million mile ahead of Antrim in that regard.
Quote from: Take the Mark on October 26, 2024, 11:40:44 AMThis craic of Tyrone having the best championship is for me down to a few factors which put it definitely up there. The promotion and coverage of it for a start is well ahead of the rest, the change in winners and competiveness of it each year is another. And the organisation and officiating is on a different level than most others. Certainly a million mile ahead of Antrim in that regard.
Even when told it's a wind up they keep coming.
Vince McMahon has nothing on the Tyrone championship
Ps, my club has won more Ulster clubs than Tyrone ;D
Its not a wind up when its fact, nothing in my post is incorrect.
Quote from: Take the Mark on October 26, 2024, 12:28:46 PMIts not a wind up when its fact, nothing in my post is incorrect.
;D
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 26, 2024, 11:59:38 AMQuote from: Take the Mark on October 26, 2024, 11:40:44 AMThis craic of Tyrone having the best championship is for me down to a few factors which put it definitely up there. The promotion and coverage of it for a start is well ahead of the rest, the change in winners and competiveness of it each year is another. And the organisation and officiating is on a different level than most others. Certainly a million mile ahead of Antrim in that regard.
Even when told it's a wind up they keep coming.
Vince McMahon has nothing on the Tyrone championship
Ps, my club has won more Ulster clubs than Tyrone ;D
Your obsession with Tyrone while we're not interested in Antrim club football 🤷
I watched the Tyrone final last 2 years and was at the Down final this year. There is no comparison. Tyrone game was competitive and quality players on both teams. No one has retained the title since 2005. Downs championship is a cakewalk for kilcoo every year.
Quote from: Truthsayer on October 26, 2024, 12:33:02 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on October 26, 2024, 11:59:38 AMQuote from: Take the Mark on October 26, 2024, 11:40:44 AMThis craic of Tyrone having the best championship is for me down to a few factors which put it definitely up there. The promotion and coverage of it for a start is well ahead of the rest, the change in winners and competiveness of it each year is another. And the organisation and officiating is on a different level than most others. Certainly a million mile ahead of Antrim in that regard.
Even when told it's a wind up they keep coming.
Vince McMahon has nothing on the Tyrone championship
Ps, my club has won more Ulster clubs than Tyrone ;D
Your obsession with Tyrone while we're not interested in Antrim club football 🤷
It's not really, I think for outsiders it's the obsession of tyronies thinking they have the best club championship. No praise like self praise
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 26, 2024, 12:35:52 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 26, 2024, 12:33:02 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on October 26, 2024, 11:59:38 AMQuote from: Take the Mark on October 26, 2024, 11:40:44 AMThis craic of Tyrone having the best championship is for me down to a few factors which put it definitely up there. The promotion and coverage of it for a start is well ahead of the rest, the change in winners and competiveness of it each year is another. And the organisation and officiating is on a different level than most others. Certainly a million mile ahead of Antrim in that regard.
Even when told it's a wind up they keep coming.
Vince McMahon has nothing on the Tyrone championship
Ps, my club has won more Ulster clubs than Tyrone ;D
Your obsession with Tyrone while we're not interested in Antrim club football 🤷
It's not really, I think for outsiders it's the obsession of tyronies thinking they have the best club championship. No praise like self praise
It is the most competitive and exciting and not a drawn out league format. Last nites final was very good but is true after the Tyrone championship clubs don't do too well in Ulster. I dont think it's just Tyrone people say that. This is a Derry reporter:
https://www.irishnews.com/gaa/errigal-ciaran-win-the-best-county-final-of-2024-IMMLB6QBV5BNBLMJLTQKIHPSNI/?fbclid=IwY2xjawGJtgZleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHZoIWvHOl-9KZFvGQIpE7nQk1s6NVlYFHzMwLkIudg6F0QX8E5UdUtvTTQ_aem_fROfJciMRpP-cQ1GpLafsA
Quote from: snoopdog on October 26, 2024, 12:34:38 PMI watched the Tyrone final last 2 years and was at the Down final this year. There is no comparison. Tyrone game was competitive and quality players on both teams. No one has retained the title since 2005. Downs championship is a cakewalk for kilcoo every year.
Best club champ but can't win a game in Ulster ...
Quote from: ElJeffe on October 26, 2024, 01:10:47 PMQuote from: snoopdog on October 26, 2024, 12:34:38 PMI watched the Tyrone final last 2 years and was at the Down final this year. There is no comparison. Tyrone game was competitive and quality players on both teams. No one has retained the title since 2005. Downs championship is a cakewalk for kilcoo every year.
Best club champ but can't win a game in Ulster ...
Quote from: ElJeffe on October 26, 2024, 01:10:47 PMQuote from: snoopdog on October 26, 2024, 12:34:38 PMI watched the Tyrone final last 2 years and was at the Down final this year. There is no comparison. Tyrone game was competitive and quality players on both teams. No one has retained the title since 2005. Downs championship is a cakewalk for kilcoo every year.
Best club champ but can't win a game in Ulster ...
Can't argue with that 😆 just find is usually one club in other county way better that the rest... Glen.. Slaughneil.. Kilcoo etc.. Crossmaglen for years.. where is load at similar level in Tyrone hence hugely competitive and not easy championship to win
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 26, 2024, 12:35:52 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 26, 2024, 12:33:02 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on October 26, 2024, 11:59:38 AMQuote from: Take the Mark on October 26, 2024, 11:40:44 AMThis craic of Tyrone having the best championship is for me down to a few factors which put it definitely up there. The promotion and coverage of it for a start is well ahead of the rest, the change in winners and competiveness of it each year is another. And the organisation and officiating is on a different level than most others. Certainly a million mile ahead of Antrim in that regard.
Even when told it's a wind up they keep coming.
Vince McMahon has nothing on the Tyrone championship
Ps, my club has won more Ulster clubs than Tyrone ;D
Your obsession with Tyrone while we're not interested in Antrim club football 🤷
It's not really, I think for outsiders it's the obsession of tyronies thinking they have the best club championship. No praise like self praise
Yet it's usually yourself that causes the discussion to descend back into this sort of sh!te. Then trying to be witty when someone responds.
For the rest of us, the Tyrone club thread might be safer.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 26, 2024, 12:35:52 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 26, 2024, 12:33:02 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on October 26, 2024, 11:59:38 AMQuote from: Take the Mark on October 26, 2024, 11:40:44 AMThis craic of Tyrone having the best championship is for me down to a few factors which put it definitely up there. The promotion and coverage of it for a start is well ahead of the rest, the change in winners and competiveness of it each year is another. And the organisation and officiating is on a different level than most others. Certainly a million mile ahead of Antrim in that regard.
Even when told it's a wind up they keep coming.
Vince McMahon has nothing on the Tyrone championship
Ps, my club has won more Ulster clubs than Tyrone ;D
Your obsession with Tyrone while we're not interested in Antrim club football 🤷
It's not really, I think for outsiders it's the obsession of tyronies thinking they have the best club championship. No praise like self praise
I'm from Antrim.
Quote from: Easttyrone23 on October 26, 2024, 08:31:15 AMI can never understand why people constantly bring up Tyrone clubs poor record in Ulster thinking it somehow proves the standard of club football in Tyrone is poor when in matter of fact it proves the opposite.
Easy to understand the poor record speaks for itself for Tyrone clubs in the senior championship since the last Ulster title success in 2002.
Quote from: ElJeffe on October 26, 2024, 08:19:33 AMWhy does been an all star and all Ireland winner matter as manager ?
Sooner than later this poor record by Tyrone clubs in Ulster senior championship has to end and having former all star and all Ireland winner with a pure winning mentality could be very manager to tip the scales.
Quote from: Take the Mark on October 26, 2024, 05:04:24 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on October 26, 2024, 12:35:52 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 26, 2024, 12:33:02 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on October 26, 2024, 11:59:38 AMQuote from: Take the Mark on October 26, 2024, 11:40:44 AMThis craic of Tyrone having the best championship is for me down to a few factors which put it definitely up there. The promotion and coverage of it for a start is well ahead of the rest, the change in winners and competiveness of it each year is another. And the organisation and officiating is on a different level than most others. Certainly a million mile ahead of Antrim in that regard.
Even when told it's a wind up they keep coming.
Vince McMahon has nothing on the Tyrone championship
Ps, my club has won more Ulster clubs than Tyrone ;D
Your obsession with Tyrone while we're not interested in Antrim club football 🤷
It's not really, I think for outsiders it's the obsession of tyronies thinking they have the best club championship. No praise like self praise
I'm from Antrim.
That change's nothing in my post, as it's for those, from what I've seen on social media lately, that have been celebrating the 19 years of no team retaining the championship.
Quote from: FermGael on October 26, 2024, 08:28:38 AMQuote from: ONeill on October 26, 2024, 12:22:39 AMThink the last 2 weekends showed why Tyrone has the best Championships in the land. Pure edge-of-seat stuff and high quality. Also reffed by the best refs in the land.
The full 2 points in the last 18 minutes were just a treat
Spoilt by the high standard of football.
Where else would you get it ?
And I haven't heard a single person that actually watched the game complain about that. Everyone I've talked to be it Errigal, Trillick or neutral that went to it didn't have anything bad to say about it
Only one team going to win this Armagh championship CE pretty decent on this showing
Quote from: general_lee on October 26, 2024, 10:07:02 AMLet's be honest it was no major surprise that Trillick & Errigal made the final. If anything they have it easy in Tyrone, it takes 3 matches to reach the final.
And 1 off day means your out. Teams in other counties can afford to have off days in the group stage. I've heard that some county players didn't even play for Glen in a championship game because it was a meaningless group stage game
So which championship in Ulster is more exciting or competitive?
Quote from: Truthsayer on October 26, 2024, 06:34:17 PMSo which championship in Ulster is more exciting or competitive?
Whatever one you're involved with? I'm not sure what metric you use to claim one championship is better than the next?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 26, 2024, 06:43:28 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 26, 2024, 06:34:17 PMSo which championship in Ulster is more exciting or competitive?
Whatever one you're involved with? I'm not sure what metric you use to claim one championship is better than the next?
Everyone most invested in their own club. Metric be excitement & most competitive. League formats aren't championship and same team predictably winning year after year is hardly going to attract neutrals.
Clann Eireann win Armagh championship tonight.
Are ye allowed play in the Ulster Championship or is that reserved for Tyrone teams?
Jees! The obsession/jealousy with Tyrone 🙄...
Who does Clann Eireann play in Ulster?
Quote from: thebigfullforward on October 26, 2024, 06:22:39 PMQuote from: FermGael on October 26, 2024, 08:28:38 AMQuote from: ONeill on October 26, 2024, 12:22:39 AMThink the last 2 weekends showed why Tyrone has the best Championships in the land. Pure edge-of-seat stuff and high quality. Also reffed by the best refs in the land.
The full 2 points in the last 18 minutes were just a treat
Spoilt by the high standard of football.
Where else would you get it ?
And I haven't heard a single person that actually watched the game complain about that. Everyone I've talked to be it Errigal, Trillick or neutral that went to it didn't have anything bad to say about it
It was great. No doubt about it whatsoever. Referees are unimportant until they are out of their depth, Hurson completely added to that spectacle last night. Fine display.
Quote from: Truthsayer on October 26, 2024, 08:18:22 PMJees! The obsession/jealousy with Tyrone 🙄...
Who does Clann Eireann play in Ulster?
And yet they claim it's Tyrone ones doing all the "best championship" posting. T'was some craic 6 years ago....
Quote from: Truthsayer on October 26, 2024, 08:18:22 PMJees! The obsession/jealousy with Tyrone 🙄...
Who does Clann Eireann play in Ulster?
Glen/Newbridge
Could be 3 years on the trot that the Armagh champions don't win a game. Really worrying times for that county.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 26, 2024, 08:33:39 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 26, 2024, 08:18:22 PMJees! The obsession/jealousy with Tyrone 🙄...
Who does Clann Eireann play in Ulster?
Glen/Newbridge
Could be 3 years on the trot that the Armagh champions don't win a game. Really worrying times for that county.
Aye need to get Cross going again...
Quote from: Truthsayer on October 26, 2024, 06:53:14 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on October 26, 2024, 06:43:28 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 26, 2024, 06:34:17 PMSo which championship in Ulster is more exciting or competitive?
Whatever one you're involved with? I'm not sure what metric you use to claim one championship is better than the next?
Everyone most invested in their own club. Metric be excitement & most competitive. League formats aren't championship and same team predictably winning year after year is hardly going to attract neutrals.
As said before, we've done all manner of championship, when Antrim had knockouts was it the best?
Quote from: Take the Mark on October 26, 2024, 11:40:44 AMThis craic of Tyrone having the best championship is for me down to a few factors which put it definitely up there. The promotion and coverage of it for a start is well ahead of the rest, the change in winners and competiveness of it each year is another. And the organisation and officiating is on a different level than most others. Certainly a million mile ahead of Antrim in that regard.
Totally agree. We've the best media machine and journalists in the land, alongside the best championship and best refereeing. I think if there was something we should improve on, it's giving back to other counties. The Tyrone County Board should be driving around other counties and telling them the secrets.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 26, 2024, 09:49:15 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 26, 2024, 06:53:14 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on October 26, 2024, 06:43:28 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 26, 2024, 06:34:17 PMSo which championship in Ulster is more exciting or competitive?
Whatever one you're involved with? I'm not sure what metric you use to claim one championship is better than the next?
Everyone most invested in their own club. Metric be excitement & most competitive. League formats aren't championship and same team predictably winning year after year is hardly going to attract neutrals.
As said before, we've done all manner of championship, when Antrim had knockouts was it the best?
😁 it's really bugging you this. It's over to next year... simply the best!
Quote from: Truthsayer on October 26, 2024, 10:47:22 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on October 26, 2024, 09:49:15 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 26, 2024, 06:53:14 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on October 26, 2024, 06:43:28 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 26, 2024, 06:34:17 PMSo which championship in Ulster is more exciting or competitive?
Whatever one you're involved with? I'm not sure what metric you use to claim one championship is better than the next?
Everyone most invested in their own club. Metric be excitement & most competitive. League formats aren't championship and same team predictably winning year after year is hardly going to attract neutrals.
As said before, we've done all manner of championship, when Antrim had knockouts was it the best?
😁 it's really bugging you this. It's over to next year... simply the best!
Not at all, I enjoy the banter
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 26, 2024, 09:49:15 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 26, 2024, 06:53:14 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on October 26, 2024, 06:43:28 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 26, 2024, 06:34:17 PMSo which championship in Ulster is more exciting or competitive?
Whatever one you're involved with? I'm not sure what metric you use to claim one championship is better than the next?
Everyone most invested in their own club. Metric be excitement & most competitive. League formats aren't championship and same team predictably winning year after year is hardly going to attract neutrals.
As said before, we've done all manner of championship, when Antrim had knockouts was it the best?
The groups are there to give teams a bit more football. They mean very little. Having dead rubber games in a championship isn't great. Am I right in saying that in our hurling championship this year there was a group in which every team qualified whereas there was a dogfight in the other group? That's poor.
But....we eventually get to the knockout and unfortunately in Antrim football it has been all too predictable for too long with 2 clubs winning 24 of the last 26 championships in what has been largely 2 separate periods of dominance. Those clubs don't care of course and nor should they but to everyone else it's pretty boring. That said, we get the odd chink of light. I thought Dunloy were that last year.
It could be said that Trillick & Errigal are perhaps beginning to pull away from the pack in Tyrone but most games in the championship are touch and go.
The metric for measuring how good a championship is? We might look for different things. For me, is it unpredictable? Then, is the standard decent? That's not how good the best team is btw but actually how good the worst teams are.
Again, you might look for something different.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 26, 2024, 11:21:32 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on October 26, 2024, 09:49:15 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 26, 2024, 06:53:14 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on October 26, 2024, 06:43:28 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 26, 2024, 06:34:17 PMSo which championship in Ulster is more exciting or competitive?
Whatever one you're involved with? I'm not sure what metric you use to claim one championship is better than the next?
Everyone most invested in their own club. Metric be excitement & most competitive. League formats aren't championship and same team predictably winning year after year is hardly going to attract neutrals.
As said before, we've done all manner of championship, when Antrim had knockouts was it the best?
The groups are there to give teams a bit more football. They mean very little. Having dead rubber games in a championship isn't great. Am I right in saying that in our hurling championship this year there was a group in which every team qualified whereas there was a dogfight in the other group? That's poor.
But....we eventually get to the knockout and unfortunately in Antrim football it has been all too predictable for too long with 2 clubs winning 24 of the last 26 championships in what has been largely 2 separate periods of dominance. Those clubs don't care of course and nor should they but to everyone else it's pretty boring. That said, we get the odd chink of light. I thought Dunloy were that last year.
It could be said that Trillick & Errigal are perhaps beginning to pull away from the pack in Tyrone but most games in the championship are touch and go.
The metric for measuring how good a championship is? We might look for different things. For me, is it unpredictable? Then, is the standard decent? That's not how good the best team is btw but actually how good the worst teams are.
Again, you might look for something different.
That's it, it's different to everyone and claiming it's the best because of different winner most years isn't how I'd judge it.
Creggan pulled out of championship in hurling leaving that group that three went through, hardly the fault of those that set out the fixtures.
On a personal note I'm all for open draws with knockout, but the clubs vote these in.
Out of interest, how do you judge it? And which championship do you think is the best?
And I don't blame administration for the likes of what happened in Antrim hurling this year* but it doesn't make for a good championship for me when a group doesn't even eliminate anyone.
* Though in the interest of fairness, it could have been revisited.
Wouldn't watch too many other championships in full tbh, there are 3 games in Antrim which are knock out, 4 in Tyrone, some final games of the group are knockout.
If your measurement for best championship is the unpredictable nature of who wins then that's fine, or if it's knockout yeah I can see that, if it's the quality of the teams playing well that can be another measurement.
2 of them seem fair enough, but measuring their quality against other clubs outside of their championship doesn't measure up.
So I'm not sure based on those two differences, well one really, as knock out football isn't new.
So that leaves one.
The craic is though, you don't go shouting about it's the best when it's impossible to actually measure it.
On a side note.... mckvr doing well on kit now. Two champions from the 2 best county championships... have they any more? Good exposure
Quote from: WT4E on October 27, 2024, 12:46:58 AMOn a side note.... mckvr doing well on kit now. Two champions from the 2 best county championships... have they any more? Good exposure
🤣🤣🤣
Too obvious. Try again in a few days
Big congrats to Clann Eireann, the better side on the night. Turbo put on a show and we didn't lay a hand on him.
From our point of view, their 1st goal was criminal. U10 stuff. Their 2nd was a fluke, but we never recovered fully from that.
Hope CE go well in Ulster now.
Entertaining enough game in Armagh.
Agree, the first goal could have been avoided, fair play to CE for taking advantage of a lapse of concentration, small moments like that win games. CNG were doing well to get back into it, but the second goal was a sucker punch leaving them too much work to do in the second half.
Be interesting to see if they can put something together in Ulster
Clann Éireann 3-13 Clan na Gael 0-15
On the face of it the goals were the difference but throughout the match CE always looked to have that bit extra, they were able to snuff out Clans dangermen while Clans couldn't get a grip on Turbo at all. Clans will be kicking themselves for that first goal though, absolute juvenile stuff.
I'd expect CE to give the Derry champs a good rattle, they've improved a good bit since 2021 will want to set their sights on bigger things.
Quote from: general_lee on October 27, 2024, 12:41:03 PMClann Éireann 3-13 Clan na Gael 0-15
On the face of it the goals were the difference but throughout the match CE always looked to have that bit extra, they were able to snuff out Clans dangermen while Clans couldn't get a grip on Turbo at all. Clans will be kicking themselves for that first goal though, absolute juvenile stuff.
I'd expect CE to give the Derry champs a good rattle, they've improved a good bit since 2021 will want to set their sights on bigger things.
Probably a shame they're meeting Glen so early as they'd probably be well capable of beating any of the other champions bar Kilcoo just on the basis that Kilcoo and Glen have been knocking around Ulster level for a few years.
Looking at that Clann Eireann team though there is a serious amount of quality on every line of the pitch, theres defenders to snuff out opposition danger men and if Turbo keeps this form up he's hard to handle. Hope they give Ulster a good rattle anyway.
That First goal was mad, in our U21 match v Clann Eireann our defence did the exact same thing for a 21 yard free, just dandered out to the 45m line for the (inevitable) kick out, it was so obvious to me it could be exploited. Someone from CE was watching that night by the looks of it!
Newbridge beat Glen by 1
Quote from: oakleaflad on October 27, 2024, 05:25:55 PMNewbridge beat Glen by 1
Massive result. Big chance for CE to push on. Newbridge will undoubtedly enjoy first win in over 30 years.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 27, 2024, 05:40:56 PMQuote from: oakleaflad on October 27, 2024, 05:25:55 PMNewbridge beat Glen by 1
Massive result. Big chance for CE to push on. Newbridge will undoubtedly enjoy first win in over 30 years.
Fancied the game to be close but to win, it's good going, +5 was the betting
Not a massive shock. I thought Glen looked ordinary in their semi win over Slaughtneil. I'd still have Newbridge favourites to overcome CE
Draw in Fermanagh. Replay to be confirmed.
Newbridge haven't won in 35yrs, they be on the drink a week.
Out of interest what would have been the odds on Newbridge to win the Derry title before the championship started?
Quote from: Blowitupref on October 27, 2024, 06:05:24 PMOut of interest what would have been the odds on Newbridge to win the Derry title before the championship started?
16/1 - 4th favourites after Glen, Slaughtneil and Magherafelt.
Where do we see it going lads? Scotstown v Kilcoo semi final?
Errigal maybe from the other
Quote from: oakleaflad on October 27, 2024, 06:33:26 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on October 27, 2024, 06:05:24 PMOut of interest what would have been the odds on Newbridge to win the Derry title before the championship started?
16/1 - 4th favourites after Glen, Slaughtneil and Magherafelt.
Was gonna guess fourth favs. Congrats to them. Gives plenty other teams in Derry hope and fair few in Ulster be chomping at the bit now. Let the games begin. Me, I'm away to the Elk 😜😜
Quote from: ElJeffe on October 27, 2024, 08:26:56 PMWhere do we see it going lads? Scotstown v Kilcoo semi final?
Errigal maybe from the other
May not win it but I think Clann Eireann will definitely cause an upset or 2.
Quarter-finals (November 9/10)
(A) Enniskillen Gaels/Erne Gaels v Scotstown
(B) Kilcoo v Crosserlough
(C) Newbridge v Clann Eireann
(D) Cargin v Errigal Ciaran/St Eunans
Semi-finals (November 23/24)
A v B
C v D
Final (December 7/8)
Kilcoo v Clann Eireann final
Wouldn't put it past Errigal to get to final either
for me Clann Eireann have the biggest ceiling with the most scope to get better, my only concern is their lack of experience at this level as they're quite young. usually this time of year the experience, craft and know how gets teams over the line and this could handicap them.
They certainly have the talent and squad numbers to challenge and i suppose you get your experience from being there....We'll soon find out
No out and out favorite to win this. Kilcoo and Scotstown both have experience in this competition, but they aren't the teams they once were.
Clann Eireann have matured a bit and would have a strong team with some top top players, so they could challenge. Errigal Ciaran if they focus would also fancy their chances.
First time in a while where its been wide open, good to see
Big thing going against CE is that their key players, Turbo, TK, McCambridge, haven't had a break. They have the ability to push on but the exertions from county and club may take their toll on them. Hope not but it's a real challenge
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 28, 2024, 09:20:25 AMBig thing going against CE is that their key players, Turbo, TK, McCambridge, haven't had a break. They have the ability to push on but the exertions from county and club may take their toll on them. Hope not but it's a real challenge
That's not an issue I think.
Glen lads have done it now for 2 or 3 years in a row. Club and county without a break.
Quote from: marty34 on October 28, 2024, 09:21:59 AMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 28, 2024, 09:20:25 AMBig thing going against CE is that their key players, Turbo, TK, McCambridge, haven't had a break. They have the ability to push on but the exertions from county and club may take their toll on them. Hope not but it's a real challenge
That's not an issue I think.
Glen lads have done it now for 2 or 3 years in a row. Club and county without a break.
Derry haven't won an AI and everything that goes with that. Not saying that CE won't challenge for Ulster but when the matches get tough and you've 5 minutes left and 2 points down it can take a huge mental strength to push on to win. There will be no gimmes in Ulster
Think they got a bit of a rest in the early stages of the championship.
Quote from: general_lee on October 28, 2024, 09:55:18 AMThink they got a bit of a rest in the early stages of the championship.
Yeah think they all missed a bit early in the championship. McCambridge is like a duracell bunny anyway so wouldn't be too worried about him.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on October 27, 2024, 05:57:28 PMDraw in Fermanagh. Replay to be confirmed.
Replay Sat 2nd @ 5:00pm - Brewster Pk.
Have Clann Eireann many older players on the team now or is the bulk of the team in the mid 20s?
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 28, 2024, 11:45:42 AMHave Clann Eireann many older players on the team now or is the bulk of the team in the mid 20s?
Their older players Henderson, Bell, Leathem have all retired now from the 2021 winning team or playing for seconds team. I don't think they have anyone over 30 playing in county final possibly Adam Kelly who the majority of the subs used would be as good as. They have a couple of subs they didn't use that I think would push to start for most sides so they won't be going anywhere anytime soon I don't suspect.
Quote from: statto on October 28, 2024, 12:08:34 PMQuote from: nrico2006 on October 28, 2024, 11:45:42 AMHave Clann Eireann many older players on the team now or is the bulk of the team in the mid 20s?
Their older players Henderson, Bell, Leathem have all retired now from the 2021 winning team or playing for seconds team. I don't think they have anyone over 30 playing in county final possibly Adam Kelly who the majority of the subs used would be as good as. They have a couple of subs they didn't use that I think would push to start for most sides so they won't be going anywhere anytime soon I don't suspect.
Also won the minor championship and the seconds had a very good run in intermediate, presume theres lads from both those panels that will be knocking on the door in the next few years.
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 28, 2024, 12:18:21 PMQuote from: statto on October 28, 2024, 12:08:34 PMQuote from: nrico2006 on October 28, 2024, 11:45:42 AMHave Clann Eireann many older players on the team now or is the bulk of the team in the mid 20s?
Their older players Henderson, Bell, Leathem have all retired now from the 2021 winning team or playing for seconds team. I don't think they have anyone over 30 playing in county final possibly Adam Kelly who the majority of the subs used would be as good as. They have a couple of subs they didn't use that I think would push to start for most sides so they won't be going anywhere anytime soon I don't suspect.
Also won the minor championship and the seconds had a very good run in intermediate, presume theres lads from both those panels that will be knocking on the door in the next few years.
Two Division 1 league titles (minus 5 starters) and two senior championships in three years. They'll supplement that with this year's minor championship winning team. They'll quite possibly win the u21 championship. They're in a really good place to start a period of dominance in Armagh senior football.
Quote from: general_lee on October 29, 2024, 08:26:08 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 28, 2024, 12:18:21 PMQuote from: statto on October 28, 2024, 12:08:34 PMQuote from: nrico2006 on October 28, 2024, 11:45:42 AMHave Clann Eireann many older players on the team now or is the bulk of the team in the mid 20s?
Their older players Henderson, Bell, Leathem have all retired now from the 2021 winning team or playing for seconds team. I don't think they have anyone over 30 playing in county final possibly Adam Kelly who the majority of the subs used would be as good as. They have a couple of subs they didn't use that I think would push to start for most sides so they won't be going anywhere anytime soon I don't suspect.
Also won the minor championship and the seconds had a very good run in intermediate, presume theres lads from both those panels that will be knocking on the door in the next few years.
Two Division 1 league titles (minus 5 starters) and two senior championships in three years. They'll supplement that with this year's minor championship winning team. They'll quite possibly win the u21 championship. They're in a really good place to start a period of dominance in Armagh senior football.
2 championships in 4 years but yeah agree they are doing some great work up there. Age profile is excellent and the 3 county men are all early to mid twenties. Clan Na Gael have plenty of youth too and will improve and well Cross will always be Cross. Club football is in a decent place and hopefully CE can do something in Ulster with Glen gone.
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 29, 2024, 09:00:21 AMQuote from: general_lee on October 29, 2024, 08:26:08 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 28, 2024, 12:18:21 PMQuote from: statto on October 28, 2024, 12:08:34 PMQuote from: nrico2006 on October 28, 2024, 11:45:42 AMHave Clann Eireann many older players on the team now or is the bulk of the team in the mid 20s?
Their older players Henderson, Bell, Leathem have all retired now from the 2021 winning team or playing for seconds team. I don't think they have anyone over 30 playing in county final possibly Adam Kelly who the majority of the subs used would be as good as. They have a couple of subs they didn't use that I think would push to start for most sides so they won't be going anywhere anytime soon I don't suspect.
Also won the minor championship and the seconds had a very good run in intermediate, presume theres lads from both those panels that will be knocking on the door in the next few years.
Two Division 1 league titles (minus 5 starters) and two senior championships in three years. They'll supplement that with this year's minor championship winning team. They'll quite possibly win the u21 championship. They're in a really good place to start a period of dominance in Armagh senior football.
2 championships in 4 years but yeah agree they are doing some great work up there. Age profile is excellent and the 3 county men are all early to mid twenties. Clan Na Gael have plenty of youth too and will improve and well Cross will always be Cross. Club football is in a decent place and hopefully CE can do something in Ulster with Glen gone.
Clan Na Gael have done exceptionally well having come up from intermediate football to being competitive at senior football and have had good success at underage level recently. The worry for them would be that Soupy is coming 34 and is a generational talent and himself and McParland generally contribute a high percentage of the teams scores.
That side of Ulster draw has really opened up with St Eunans, Cargin, Errigal, CE and Newbridge there none of who would have much experience of the latter stages of Ulster.
Quote from: statto on October 29, 2024, 09:13:11 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 29, 2024, 09:00:21 AMQuote from: general_lee on October 29, 2024, 08:26:08 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 28, 2024, 12:18:21 PMQuote from: statto on October 28, 2024, 12:08:34 PMQuote from: nrico2006 on October 28, 2024, 11:45:42 AMHave Clann Eireann many older players on the team now or is the bulk of the team in the mid 20s?
Their older players Henderson, Bell, Leathem have all retired now from the 2021 winning team or playing for seconds team. I don't think they have anyone over 30 playing in county final possibly Adam Kelly who the majority of the subs used would be as good as. They have a couple of subs they didn't use that I think would push to start for most sides so they won't be going anywhere anytime soon I don't suspect.
Also won the minor championship and the seconds had a very good run in intermediate, presume theres lads from both those panels that will be knocking on the door in the next few years.
Two Division 1 league titles (minus 5 starters) and two senior championships in three years. They'll supplement that with this year's minor championship winning team. They'll quite possibly win the u21 championship. They're in a really good place to start a period of dominance in Armagh senior football.
2 championships in 4 years but yeah agree they are doing some great work up there. Age profile is excellent and the 3 county men are all early to mid twenties. Clan Na Gael have plenty of youth too and will improve and well Cross will always be Cross. Club football is in a decent place and hopefully CE can do something in Ulster with Glen gone.
Clan Na Gael have done exceptionally well having come up from intermediate football to being competitive at senior football and have had good success at underage level recently. The worry for them would be that Soupy is coming 34 and is a generational talent and himself and McParland generally contribute a high percentage of the teams scores.
That side of Ulster draw has really opened up with St Eunans, Cargin, Errigal, CE and Newbridge there none of who would have much experience of the latter stages of Ulster.
Whats the setup with regards to replays, extra time, penalties, finish on the day
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Their older players Henderson, Bell, Leathem have all retired now from the 2021 winning team or playing for seconds team. I don't think they have anyone over 30 playing in county final possibly Adam Kelly who the majority of the subs used would be as good as. They have a couple of subs they didn't use that I think would push to start for most sides so they won't be going anywhere anytime soon I don't suspect.
Also won the minor championship and the seconds had a very good run in intermediate, presume theres lads from both those panels that will be knocking on the door in the next few years.
Two Division 1 league titles (minus 5 starters) and two senior championships in three years. They'll supplement that with this year's minor championship winning team. They'll quite possibly win the u21 championship. They're in a really good place to start a period of dominance in Armagh senior football.
2 championships in 4 years but yeah agree they are doing some great work up there. Age profile is excellent and the 3 county men are all early to mid twenties. Clan Na Gael have plenty of youth too and will improve and well Cross will always be Cross. Club football is in a decent place and hopefully CE can do something in Ulster with Glen gone.
Clan Na Gael have done exceptionally well having come up from intermediate football to being competitive at senior football and have had good success at underage level recently. The worry for them would be that Soupy is coming 34 and is a generational talent and himself and McParland generally contribute a high percentage of the teams scores.
That side of Ulster draw has really opened up with St Eunans, Cargin, Errigal, CE and Newbridge there none of who would have much experience of the latter stages of Ulster.
Whats the setup with regards to replays, extra time, penalties, finish on the day
From memory they are all finish on the day games. Definitely been a few penalty shoot outs over last few years
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Their older players Henderson, Bell, Leathem have all retired now from the 2021 winning team or playing for seconds team. I don't think they have anyone over 30 playing in county final possibly Adam Kelly who the majority of the subs used would be as good as. They have a couple of subs they didn't use that I think would push to start for most sides so they won't be going anywhere anytime soon I don't suspect.
Also won the minor championship and the seconds had a very good run in intermediate, presume theres lads from both those panels that will be knocking on the door in the next few years.
Two Division 1 league titles (minus 5 starters) and two senior championships in three years. They'll supplement that with this year's minor championship winning team. They'll quite possibly win the u21 championship. They're in a really good place to start a period of dominance in Armagh senior football.
2 championships in 4 years but yeah agree they are doing some great work up there. Age profile is excellent and the 3 county men are all early to mid twenties. Clan Na Gael have plenty of youth too and will improve and well Cross will always be Cross. Club football is in a decent place and hopefully CE can do something in Ulster with Glen gone.
Clan Na Gael have done exceptionally well having come up from intermediate football to being competitive at senior football and have had good success at underage level recently. The worry for them would be that Soupy is coming 34 and is a generational talent and himself and McParland generally contribute a high percentage of the teams scores.
That side of Ulster draw has really opened up with St Eunans, Cargin, Errigal, CE and Newbridge there none of who would have much experience of the latter stages of Ulster.
Yeah was thinking that about Soupy but then again he's still flying at county level so theres bound to be a good few years of club football left in him- unreal talent and will be hugely difficult to replace when he does go. Plenty of good young lads coming up though.
I'd say Newbridge will go fairly hard at the celebrations as will Clann Eireann but I reckon CE will regroup quick enough for a run at Ulster.
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Their older players Henderson, Bell, Leathem have all retired now from the 2021 winning team or playing for seconds team. I don't think they have anyone over 30 playing in county final possibly Adam Kelly who the majority of the subs used would be as good as. They have a couple of subs they didn't use that I think would push to start for most sides so they won't be going anywhere anytime soon I don't suspect.
Also won the minor championship and the seconds had a very good run in intermediate, presume theres lads from both those panels that will be knocking on the door in the next few years.
Two Division 1 league titles (minus 5 starters) and two senior championships in three years. They'll supplement that with this year's minor championship winning team. They'll quite possibly win the u21 championship. They're in a really good place to start a period of dominance in Armagh senior football.
2 championships in 4 years but yeah agree they are doing some great work up there. Age profile is excellent and the 3 county men are all early to mid twenties. Clan Na Gael have plenty of youth too and will improve and well Cross will always be Cross. Club football is in a decent place and hopefully CE can do something in Ulster with Glen gone.
Clan Na Gael have done exceptionally well having come up from intermediate football to being competitive at senior football and have had good success at underage level recently. The worry for them would be that Soupy is coming 34 and is a generational talent and himself and McParland generally contribute a high percentage of the teams scores.
That side of Ulster draw has really opened up with St Eunans, Cargin, Errigal, CE and Newbridge there none of who would have much experience of the latter stages of Ulster.
Yeah was thinking that about Soupy but then again he's still flying at county level so theres bound to be a good few years of club football left in him- unreal talent and will be hugely difficult to replace when he does go. Plenty of good young lads coming up though.
I'd say Newbridge will go fairly hard at the celebrations as will Clann Eireann but I reckon CE will regroup quick enough for a run at Ulster.
Just after seeing one of underage coaches put up a post that 5years ago today we were beat in an under 16 B final and off that team 7 started against Glen with another 4 on the subs. That's some yield from an underage team
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Their older players Henderson, Bell, Leathem have all retired now from the 2021 winning team or playing for seconds team. I don't think they have anyone over 30 playing in county final possibly Adam Kelly who the majority of the subs used would be as good as. They have a couple of subs they didn't use that I think would push to start for most sides so they won't be going anywhere anytime soon I don't suspect.
Also won the minor championship and the seconds had a very good run in intermediate, presume theres lads from both those panels that will be knocking on the door in the next few years.
Two Division 1 league titles (minus 5 starters) and two senior championships in three years. They'll supplement that with this year's minor championship winning team. They'll quite possibly win the u21 championship. They're in a really good place to start a period of dominance in Armagh senior football.
2 championships in 4 years but yeah agree they are doing some great work up there. Age profile is excellent and the 3 county men are all early to mid twenties. Clan Na Gael have plenty of youth too and will improve and well Cross will always be Cross. Club football is in a decent place and hopefully CE can do something in Ulster with Glen gone.
Clan Na Gael have done exceptionally well having come up from intermediate football to being competitive at senior football and have had good success at underage level recently. The worry for them would be that Soupy is coming 34 and is a generational talent and himself and McParland generally contribute a high percentage of the teams scores.
That side of Ulster draw has really opened up with St Eunans, Cargin, Errigal, CE and Newbridge there none of who would have much experience of the latter stages of Ulster.
Agreed, I've a feeling it's Errigal's year (I know every year it is until it isn't, but this may well be their year..)
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Their older players Henderson, Bell, Leathem have all retired now from the 2021 winning team or playing for seconds team. I don't think they have anyone over 30 playing in county final possibly Adam Kelly who the majority of the subs used would be as good as. They have a couple of subs they didn't use that I think would push to start for most sides so they won't be going anywhere anytime soon I don't suspect.
Also won the minor championship and the seconds had a very good run in intermediate, presume theres lads from both those panels that will be knocking on the door in the next few years.
Two Division 1 league titles (minus 5 starters) and two senior championships in three years. They'll supplement that with this year's minor championship winning team. They'll quite possibly win the u21 championship. They're in a really good place to start a period of dominance in Armagh senior football.
2 championships in 4 years but yeah agree they are doing some great work up there. Age profile is excellent and the 3 county men are all early to mid twenties. Clan Na Gael have plenty of youth too and will improve and well Cross will always be Cross. Club football is in a decent place and hopefully CE can do something in Ulster with Glen gone.
Clan Na Gael have done exceptionally well having come up from intermediate football to being competitive at senior football and have had good success at underage level recently. The worry for them would be that Soupy is coming 34 and is a generational talent and himself and McParland generally contribute a high percentage of the teams scores.
That side of Ulster draw has really opened up with St Eunans, Cargin, Errigal, CE and Newbridge there none of who would have much experience of the latter stages of Ulster.
Yeah was thinking that about Soupy but then again he's still flying at county level so theres bound to be a good few years of club football left in him- unreal talent and will be hugely difficult to replace when he does go. Plenty of good young lads coming up though.
I'd say Newbridge will go fairly hard at the celebrations as will Clann Eireann but I reckon CE will regroup quick enough for a run at Ulster.
Just after seeing one of underage coaches put up a post that 5years ago today we were beat in an under 16 B final and off that team 7 started against Glen with another 4 on the subs. That's some yield from an underage team
Fantastic development in those lads too if that's the case. Brilliant.
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Their older players Henderson, Bell, Leathem have all retired now from the 2021 winning team or playing for seconds team. I don't think they have anyone over 30 playing in county final possibly Adam Kelly who the majority of the subs used would be as good as. They have a couple of subs they didn't use that I think would push to start for most sides so they won't be going anywhere anytime soon I don't suspect.
Also won the minor championship and the seconds had a very good run in intermediate, presume theres lads from both those panels that will be knocking on the door in the next few years.
Two Division 1 league titles (minus 5 starters) and two senior championships in three years. They'll supplement that with this year's minor championship winning team. They'll quite possibly win the u21 championship. They're in a really good place to start a period of dominance in Armagh senior football.
2 championships in 4 years but yeah agree they are doing some great work up there. Age profile is excellent and the 3 county men are all early to mid twenties. Clan Na Gael have plenty of youth too and will improve and well Cross will always be Cross. Club football is in a decent place and hopefully CE can do something in Ulster with Glen gone.
Clan Na Gael have done exceptionally well having come up from intermediate football to being competitive at senior football and have had good success at underage level recently. The worry for them would be that Soupy is coming 34 and is a generational talent and himself and McParland generally contribute a high percentage of the teams scores.
That side of Ulster draw has really opened up with St Eunans, Cargin, Errigal, CE and Newbridge there none of who would have much experience of the latter stages of Ulster.
Yeah was thinking that about Soupy but then again he's still flying at county level so theres bound to be a good few years of club football left in him- unreal talent and will be hugely difficult to replace when he does go. Plenty of good young lads coming up though.
I'd say Newbridge will go fairly hard at the celebrations as will Clann Eireann but I reckon CE will regroup quick enough for a run at Ulster.
Just after seeing one of underage coaches put up a post that 5years ago today we were beat in an under 16 B final and off that team 7 started against Glen with another 4 on the subs. That's some yield from an underage team
Some yield is right. Was told at U16 that in reality most underage teams get around 8 lads that will get game time for seniors at some stage and of those 8 players something like 3 or 4 will be in and around the team for a while until they call it quits. To get 11 active players out of 1 team is serious going
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Their older players Henderson, Bell, Leathem have all retired now from the 2021 winning team or playing for seconds team. I don't think they have anyone over 30 playing in county final possibly Adam Kelly who the majority of the subs used would be as good as. They have a couple of subs they didn't use that I think would push to start for most sides so they won't be going anywhere anytime soon I don't suspect.
Also won the minor championship and the seconds had a very good run in intermediate, presume theres lads from both those panels that will be knocking on the door in the next few years.
Two Division 1 league titles (minus 5 starters) and two senior championships in three years. They'll supplement that with this year's minor championship winning team. They'll quite possibly win the u21 championship. They're in a really good place to start a period of dominance in Armagh senior football.
2 championships in 4 years but yeah agree they are doing some great work up there. Age profile is excellent and the 3 county men are all early to mid twenties. Clan Na Gael have plenty of youth too and will improve and well Cross will always be Cross. Club football is in a decent place and hopefully CE can do something in Ulster with Glen gone.
Clan Na Gael have done exceptionally well having come up from intermediate football to being competitive at senior football and have had good success at underage level recently. The worry for them would be that Soupy is coming 34 and is a generational talent and himself and McParland generally contribute a high percentage of the teams scores.
That side of Ulster draw has really opened up with St Eunans, Cargin, Errigal, CE and Newbridge there none of who would have much experience of the latter stages of Ulster.
Yeah was thinking that about Soupy but then again he's still flying at county level so theres bound to be a good few years of club football left in him- unreal talent and will be hugely difficult to replace when he does go. Plenty of good young lads coming up though.
I'd say Newbridge will go fairly hard at the celebrations as will Clann Eireann but I reckon CE will regroup quick enough for a run at Ulster.
Just after seeing one of underage coaches put up a post that 5years ago today we were beat in an under 16 B final and off that team 7 started against Glen with another 4 on the subs. That's some yield from an underage team
Some yield is right. Was told at U16 that in reality most underage teams get around 8 lads that will get game time for seniors at some stage and of those 8 players something like 3 or 4 will be in and around the team for a while until they call it quits. To get 11 active players out of 1 team is serious going
Shows the importance of keeping everybody on board and playing sport at underage, regardless of the grade.
All about getting as many players through to senior level.
Not all about paying grifters of managers.
All about the players.
QuoteJust after seeing one of underage coaches put up a post that 5years ago today we were beat in an under 16 B final and off that team 7 started against Glen with another 4 on the subs. That's some yield from an underage team
]Some yield is right. Was told at U16 that in reality most underage teams get around 8 lads that will get game time for seniors at some stage and of those 8 players something like 3 or 4 will be in and around the team for a while until they call it quits. To get 11 active players out of 1 team is serious going
It is easier to get lads through in smaller clubs like newbridge than in the larger clubs. It also probably helped in that the bridge hadn't got much recent history of success, so there weren't a team of veterans hanging on too long which can also be a problem when it comes to giving young lads a chance.
Ballygawley and St Eunan's a hard one to call tomorrow night - would you expect a low scoring dire affair as we have seen now and again from Donegal clubs in Ulster?
Eunan's last foray in Ulster saw them lose to Glen by 0-8 to 1-4. So while effective in nearly getting the job done, must have been a terrible watch.
Errigal would have been on the drink all of last weekend but probably have got a good week on the pitch done, I'd give them a tentative edge with it being in Omagh. This half of the draw is wide open I'd say every team in it would have a small notion of an Ulster final given no Glen, Kilcoo or Scotstown on this side of it
Weather has been decent pitches won't be in a poor state.
Ulster club games generally don't throw up too many high scoring games
Bookies dont expect it to be hitting the 25 total point's bracket which is about right
Peter Harte penalty saved. 0-3 to 0-2 Errigal lead after 15 minutes. Eunan's lead 0-5 to 0-4 at half time.
Prediction: when Errigal are beaten in Ulster championship there will be a rush led by Gallsman to post: Tyrone best championship?! #itching
Gallsman might get involved but Milltown Row is much more likely.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on November 02, 2024, 07:42:33 PMGallsman might get involved but Milltown Row is much more likely.
Ok I stand corrected.
This is the Errigal level of performance we saw in Tyrone against Pomeroy and Clonoe.
Big result in fermanagh with Declan Bonner delivering Erne Gaels first title in 35 years beating Enniskillen by 4.
50 minutes played. Errigal Ciaran 0-7 St Eunans 0-7. Three added time points wins it for Errigal Ciaran 0-12 to 0-10
You really have got to wonder why teams play shite shadow boxing crap nonsense shit football for 45 mins, instead of going out and enjoying themselves.
Errigal do enough when it mattered.
Fancy Cargin to beat them.
Thoroughly enjoyed that, Eunans will be wondering how they lost it, looked a better team all day long, but fair play to Errigal, took their chances when it mattered. I'd say they'll improve from that, looked leggy enough.
Scrappy enough game but entertaining all the same. St Eunans had plenty of chances in that second half but lacked composure at times. Errigal clinical at the end.
Fair play to EC, but Eunans will be disgusted at themselves with the last 5mins. Bad decision, followed by bad decision. Needlessly lost the ball in the tackle when an easy pass was on.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on November 02, 2024, 08:39:06 PMErrigal do enough when it mattered.
Fancy Cargin to beat them.
Not a hope. Errigal will beat Cargin I think by a good 5 points. St Eunans would be more of a challenge than Cargin, certainly in the forward line department
Manner of that win would make one think Errigal name is on the trophy for 2024.
Had to laugh when Ger Canning said the ball was gone out for a corner just before Eunans was about to take a 45.
Good win for Ballygawley despite not being at their best. Aside from the poor finishing it was a decent game.
Few costly errors by Eunans in last few mins.
Would it be fair to say Errigal would have to improve a lot to be winning Ulster? Need to get way more from the Canavan's and Peter Harte if they are to be contenders.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on November 02, 2024, 08:39:06 PMErrigal do enough when it mattered.
Fancy Cargin to beat them.
If Cargin beat them I'll walk naked from Rossa's pitch to St Paul's pitch.
Errigal missed a pen and gifted St. Eunan's a 45. Should have won by more. Better team won.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on November 02, 2024, 08:45:38 PMGood win for Ballygawley despite not being at their best. Aside from the poor finishing it was a decent game.
Few costly errors by Eunans in last few mins.
Would it be fair to say Errigal would have to improve a lot to be winning Ulster? Need to get way more from the Canavan's and Peter Harte if they are to be contenders.
Yes and they've limped along at that level in almost every game they've played.
Quote from: Christmas Lights on November 02, 2024, 08:43:49 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on November 02, 2024, 08:39:06 PMErrigal do enough when it mattered.
Fancy Cargin to beat them.
Not a hope. Errigal will beat Cargin I think by a good 5 points. St Eunans would be more of a challenge than Cargin, certainly in the forward line department
What make you think 5 points?
I ask because I don't think they've beaten anyone by 5 points so far?
And Glen didn't even beat Cargin by 5 last year. Cargin had 14 men for a long time too.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on November 02, 2024, 09:06:04 PMQuote from: Christmas Lights on November 02, 2024, 08:43:49 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on November 02, 2024, 08:39:06 PMErrigal do enough when it mattered.
Fancy Cargin to beat them.
Not a hope. Errigal will beat Cargin I think by a good 5 points. St Eunans would be more of a challenge than Cargin, certainly in the forward line department
What make you think 5 points?
I ask because I don't think they've beaten anyone by 5 points so far?
And Glen didn't even beat Cargin by 5 last year. Cargin had 14 men for a long time too.
I think Errigal will improve as the championship goes on. Cargin I dont think have the firepower up front to really have an impact in Ulster, still heavily reliant on Tomás McCann. Think that Aidan McCrory will cancel out Pat Shivers and I just dont see where Cargin pose a threat thereafter. Think If Errigals forward line really gets motoring that the Cargin defence will struggle to maintain them if they aren't making any headway up front.
Funny I think Aidan McCrory is someone who Cargin will be looking to target with Shivers or Michael McCann. Cargin bring a lot of physicality and Errigal have been known to struggle with that type of team. Accused of soft underbelly? Who knows...? If the Clonoe backline were able to lock the Canavans up, I don't see how Cargin's would struggle. I haven't seen a lot from Errigal this year to suggest they are a level above Cargin.
Cargin beat Naomh Conaill on pens 2 years ago but it seems the last time they won a game in Ulster in normal or extra time was 25 years ago against Errigal's biggest rivals.
I doubt the Errigal team will approach Cargin with the dismissive attitude displayed here, Cargin a real solid, battle hardened team with tons of experience in the USFC, a lot more than EC. All Errigal's strong points are in the forward line, plenty of scope for Cargin in that EC defence, they'd already be gone if Eunan's could shoot.
Quote from: clarshack on November 02, 2024, 09:31:01 PMCargin beat Naomh Conaill on pens 2 years ago but it seems the last time they won a game in Ulster in normal or extra time was 25 years ago against Errigal's biggest rivals.
Must be over 10 years since Errigal last won a match in Ulster, normal time or not.
Apart from an hour ago obviously....
Good game tonight, Cargin won't leave much room at the back and they'll be happy with a cat and mouse game. Errigal are favourites given their forward firepower it hasn't clicked yet I'd be sticking a fiver on Cargin if the odds are good, although it may not be a pretty spectacle.
Errigal weren't the better team there the night. They dont look any great shakes to be honest
Quote from: ONeill on November 02, 2024, 08:47:43 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on November 02, 2024, 08:39:06 PMErrigal do enough when it mattered.
Fancy Cargin to beat them.
If Cargin beat them I'll walk naked from Rossa's pitch to St Paul's pitch.
Bookmark!!!!
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 02, 2024, 08:45:08 PMManner of that win would make one think Errigal name is on the trophy for 2024.
Had to laugh when Ger Canning said the ball was gone out for a corner just before Eunans was about to take a 45.
Bit disrespectful to Scotstown / Kilcoo et al.
The winter ground will suit Scotstown and kilcoo ...
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 02, 2024, 08:45:08 PMManner of that win would make one think Errigal name is on the trophy for 2024.
Had to laugh when Ger Canning said the ball was gone out for a corner just before Eunans was about to take a 45.
Kilcoo and Scotstown have the advantage of experience at this level which is invaluable. Likes of Errigal Ciaran and Clann Eireann at least have some in recent years which should stand to them.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 03, 2024, 02:34:52 PMKilcoo and Scotstown have the advantage of experience at this level which is invaluable. Likes of Errigal Ciaran and Clann Eireann at least have some in recent years which should stand to them.
Experience of playing 2 game and getting beat ?
Quote from: ElJeffe on November 03, 2024, 03:43:29 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 03, 2024, 02:34:52 PMKilcoo and Scotstown have the advantage of experience at this level which is invaluable. Likes of Errigal Ciaran and Clann Eireann at least have some in recent years which should stand to them.
Experience of playing 2 game and getting beat ?
"at least have some"
You need to start somewhere and build into it if you have Ulster title ambitions. Rare that a team will win Ulster if it's their clubs first ever title or first title in years.
Last 8:
Erne Gaels v Scotstown
Crosserlough v Kilcoo
Newbridge v Clann Eireann
Cargin v Errigal Ciaran
Odds:
Kilcoo 15/8
Scotstown 10/3
Errigal Ciaran 10/3
Newbridge 8/1
Clann Eireann 10/1
Cargin 16/1
Crosserlough 20/1
Erne Gaels 50/1
3 Horse race with the bookies
Maybe Clann Eireann Good Value?
Kilcoo look the strongest there.
Quote from: WT4E on November 06, 2024, 11:12:53 AMLast 8:
Erne Gaels v Scotstown
Crosserlough v Kilcoo
Newbridge v Clann Eireann
Cargin v Errigal Ciaran
Odds:
Kilcoo 15/8
Scotstown 10/3
Errigal Ciaran 10/3
Newbridge 8/1
Clann Eireann 10/1
Cargin 16/1
Crosserlough 20/1
Erne Gaels 50/1
3 Horse race with the bookies
Maybe Clann Eireann Good Value?
Clann eireann definitely look a value bet but kilcoo will be hard to beat with their experience.
Awful news coming out of Erne Gaels this morning.
Such a tragedy in a time of great joy for the club
Mark Lyons has passed away.
He was 41 years old.
Past player and brother of current captain Ryan Lyons .
Rest in peace
Quote from: WT4E on November 06, 2024, 11:12:53 AMLast 8:
Erne Gaels v Scotstown
Crosserlough v Kilcoo
Newbridge v Clann Eireann
Cargin v Errigal Ciaran
Odds:
Kilcoo 15/8
Scotstown 10/3
Errigal Ciaran 10/3
Newbridge 8/1
Clann Eireann 10/1
Cargin 16/1
Crosserlough 20/1
Erne Gaels 50/1
3 Horse race with the bookies
Maybe Clann Eireann Good Value?
I'd fancy Cargin for an upset
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 06, 2024, 11:13:37 AMKilcoo look the strongest there.
Kilcoo will generally be strong but Scotstown won't fear them like the bigger teams in Down and have experience of turning them over in Newry last year.
Quote from: FermGael on November 06, 2024, 11:30:48 AMAwful news coming out of Erne Gaels this morning.
Such a tragedy in a time of great joy for the club
Mark Lyons has passed away.
He was 41 years old.
Past player and brother of current captain Ryan Lyons .
Rest in peace
I haven't seen that reported. RIP. What happened?
Quote from: FermGael on November 06, 2024, 11:30:48 AMAwful news coming out of Erne Gaels this morning.
Such a tragedy in a time of great joy for the club
Mark Lyons has passed away.
He was 41 years old.
Past player and brother of current captain Ryan Lyons .
Rest in peace
RIP
Quote from: FermGael on November 06, 2024, 11:30:48 AMAwful news coming out of Erne Gaels this morning.
Such a tragedy in a time of great joy for the club
Mark Lyons has passed away.
He was 41 years old.
Past player and brother of current captain Ryan Lyons .
Rest in peace
rip mark.game now next Saturday at 5pm.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 03, 2024, 02:34:52 PMKilcoo and Scotstown have the advantage of experience at this level which is invaluable. Likes of Errigal Ciaran and Clann Eireann at least have some in recent years which should stand to them.
Errigal v Scottstown final.
Save it lads.
Errigal get over Cargin they'll be in a very good spot.Coming off the back of an extremely competitive Tyrone SFC.Beating a decent a St.Eunans who had 3 weeks to prepare and have 4/5 county stars.
Errigal will beat Cargin by 2 or 3.
On the other hand.
Scottstowns walk Monaghan Again!
Should beat Erne Gales and Kilcoo should beat Crosserlough.
To set up an entertaining semi.
But I think if that's the semis Scottstown will have them.
KILCOO ARE DONE!
Semis will be
Kilcoo V Scottstown
Errigal v Clann Eireann
Why no Bridge Clann Eirann analysis did you get tired
Hard to know with Newbridge v Clann Eireann. I know watching the Armagh County Final I definitely thought CE stepped it up a few gears from previous rounds and looked like a serious outfit. I said that night CE will give Glen their fill of it (little did we know), so no reason they won't fancy themselves v Newbridge. Bookies have it Evens to 5/4 in Newbridge's favour.
Quote from: bennydorano on November 08, 2024, 01:55:51 PMHard to know with Newbridge v Clann Eireann. I know watching the Armagh County Final I definitely thought CE stepped it up a few gears from previous rounds and looked like a serious outfit. I said that night CE will give Glen their fill of it (little did we know), so no reason they won't fancy themselves v Newbridge. Bookies have it Evens to 5/4 in Newbridge's favour.
Not sure why newbridge are favourites for this, it'll probably be tight, but you'd think that CE should edge it eventually. A first title in 35 years takes a bit of celebrating, mission has been achieved and it can be hard to motivate yourself for that first round Ulster game a fortnight later.
Quote from: bennydorano on November 08, 2024, 01:55:51 PMHard to know with Newbridge v Clann Eireann. I know watching the Armagh County Final I definitely thought CE stepped it up a few gears from previous rounds and looked like a serious outfit. I said that night CE will give Glen their fill of it (little did we know), so no reason they won't fancy themselves v Newbridge. Bookies have it Evens to 5/4 in Newbridge's favour.
Clann Eireann were good from the quarter finals onwards really when they beat an improving harps team then Cross.
Quote from: statto on November 09, 2024, 08:18:14 AMQuote from: bennydorano on November 08, 2024, 01:55:51 PMHard to know with Newbridge v Clann Eireann. I know watching the Armagh County Final I definitely thought CE stepped it up a few gears from previous rounds and looked like a serious outfit. I said that night CE will give Glen their fill of it (little did we know), so no reason they won't fancy themselves v Newbridge. Bookies have it Evens to 5/4 in Newbridge's favour.
Clann Eireann were good from the quarter finals onwards really when they beat an improving harps team then Cross.
Said it all year that if they could get over Cross and win Armagh they'd have a chance in Ulster and they would give Glen their fill of it. Different challenge now that Glen are out, would fully expect them to get over the first round and after that who knows.
Kilcoo to win
Scotstown to win
Both these games probably fairly comfortable.
Set up a great game between those 2
Errigal to win a cagey game
Newbridge to win a cracker
Both games probably close and set up another great game.
Quote from: The Trap on November 09, 2024, 11:52:19 AMKilcoo to win
Scotstown to win
Both these games probably fairly comfortable.
Set up a great game between those 2
Errigal to win a cagey game
Newbridge to win a cracker
Both games probably close and set up another great game.
Agree with all those. Kilcoo will win with a few to spare, same for Scotstown - look forward to their meeting in semi. I think Cargin have a really good chance against EC but expect the AI champs elect to edge it, likewise think Newbridge will be a level above anyone CE faced in Armagh, week on the drink or not.
Quote from: general_lee on November 09, 2024, 12:20:03 PMQuote from: The Trap on November 09, 2024, 11:52:19 AMKilcoo to win
Scotstown to win
Both these games probably fairly comfortable.
Set up a great game between those 2
Errigal to win a cagey game
Newbridge to win a cracker
Both games probably close and set up another great game.
Agree with all those. Kilcoo will win with a few to spare, same for Scotstown - look forward to their meeting in semi. I think Cargin have a really good chance against EC but expect the AI champs elect to edge it, likewise think Newbridge will be a level above anyone CE faced in Armagh, week on the drink or not.
Errigal ? AI champions?
Any of these games on tele
Quote from: WT4E on November 09, 2024, 02:30:52 PMAny of these games on tele
I think Newbridge v Clann Eireann is on TG4 tomorrow
Crosserlough competing well v Kilcoo so far.
Didn't get a proper look at either black incident... was there need to give either one?
In my opinion you shouldn't give a black card unless absolutely necessary.
Expect Kilcoo to pull away second half.
Few minutes into the 2nd half. Kilcoo 0-9 Crosserlough 1-5. Result Kilcoo 0-15 to 1-10 winners.
Quote from: ElJeffe on November 09, 2024, 01:31:47 PMQuote from: general_lee on November 09, 2024, 12:20:03 PMQuote from: The Trap on November 09, 2024, 11:52:19 AMKilcoo to win
Scotstown to win
Both these games probably fairly comfortable.
Set up a great game between those 2
Errigal to win a cagey game
Newbridge to win a cracker
Both games probably close and set up another great game.
Agree with all those. Kilcoo will win with a few to spare, same for Scotstown - look forward to their meeting in semi. I think Cargin have a really good chance against EC but expect the AI champs elect to edge it, likewise think Newbridge will be a level above anyone CE faced in Armagh, week on the drink or not.
Errigal ? AI champions?
Sure they won Tyrone championship = shoe-ins for the whole lot.
Barry Cassidy is a disgrace.
Another sob story for Cavan.
Alot to admire about that crosserlough performance though.
Discipline questionable maybe but did they deserve 3 blacks and a red card?
Tyrone men have given them an edge pity they couldn't get it done.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on November 09, 2024, 07:26:37 PMAnother sob story for Cavan.
Alot to admire about that crosserlough performance though.
Discipline questionable maybe but did they deserve 3 blacks and a red card?
Tyrone men have given them an edge pity they couldn't get it done.
No they didn't deserve that. What was second black for? The abuse the referee allowed against McVeety was shocking.
Barry Cassidy should never referee a game involving a Cavan team. He has a long history of cheating Cavan sides, unquestionably biased against us. Disgraceful.
Crosserlough were excellent and Kilcoo had to produce some brilliant scores from Laverty and Devlin at the end to get them over the line.
Kilcoo really know how to work the officials and in a close game like that it makes a massive difference.
You can say that the Cavan men lost their discipline but when so many big decisions go against you it is difficult to keep your composure.
Refs have a massive influence on games.
Quote from: mrdeeds on November 09, 2024, 07:27:37 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on November 09, 2024, 07:26:37 PMAnother sob story for Cavan.
Alot to admire about that crosserlough performance though.
Discipline questionable maybe but did they deserve 3 blacks and a red card?
Tyrone men have given them an edge pity they couldn't get it done.
No they didn't deserve that. What was second black for? The abuse the referee allowed against McVeety was shocking.
Yeah even the first black was harsh but I could imagine a case. 2nd was an absolute joke and not black. 3rd also seemed harsh and how Kilcoo escaped a black for similar incidents is a mystery.
The red was 2 yellows but I wonder did he even receive the first yellow as he seemed fairly bewildered?
Honestly it's hard to say Kilcoo deserved that, Crosserlough were unlucky but Kilcoo a bigger name and got the rub of green big time. They also dive a lot. Overall I'd say Kilcoo will need to improve to win Ulster but they're very difficult to play against.
Quote from: full moon on November 09, 2024, 07:38:11 PMQuote from: mrdeeds on November 09, 2024, 07:27:37 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on November 09, 2024, 07:26:37 PMAnother sob story for Cavan.
Alot to admire about that crosserlough performance though.
Discipline questionable maybe but did they deserve 3 blacks and a red card?
Tyrone men have given them an edge pity they couldn't get it done.
No they didn't deserve that. What was second black for? The abuse the referee allowed against McVeety was shocking.
Yeah even the first black was harsh but I could imagine a case. 2nd was an absolute joke and not black. 3rd also seemed harsh and how Kilcoo escaped a black for similar incidents is a mystery.
The red was 2 yellows but I wonder did he even receive the first yellow as he seemed fairly bewildered?
Honestly it's hard to say Kilcoo deserved that, Crosserlough were unlucky but Kilcoo a bigger name and got the rub of green big time. They also dive a lot. Overall I'd say Kilcoo will need to improve to win Ulster but they're very difficult to play against.
Punishment doesn't fit the crime i thought wasn't as if there was goals chanced stopped by a foul like.
Black cards can ruin games if not used correctly and should only be used if absolutely necessary.
In fairness I haven't seen many games this year where the black card rule has been abused like that though.
Quote from: full moon on November 09, 2024, 07:38:11 PMQuote from: mrdeeds on November 09, 2024, 07:27:37 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on November 09, 2024, 07:26:37 PMAnother sob story for Cavan.
Alot to admire about that crosserlough performance though.
Discipline questionable maybe but did they deserve 3 blacks and a red card?
Tyrone men have given them an edge pity they couldn't get it done.
No they didn't deserve that. What was second black for? The abuse the referee allowed against McVeety was shocking.
Yeah even the first black was harsh but I could imagine a case. 2nd was an absolute joke and not black. 3rd also seemed harsh and how Kilcoo escaped a black for similar incidents is a mystery.
The red was 2 yellows but I wonder did he even receive the first yellow as he seemed fairly bewildered?
Honestly it's hard to say Kilcoo deserved that, Crosserlough were unlucky but Kilcoo a bigger name and got the rub of green big time. They also dive a lot. Overall I'd say Kilcoo will need to improve to win Ulster but they're very difficult to play against.
I have my doubts if he got a yellow previously i don't recall him getting one.
Tyrone men giving them an edge?
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 09, 2024, 08:43:39 PMTyrone men giving them an edge?
Tyrone management. Ramor who they beat in county final also have Tyrone management.
Quote from: Cavan19 on November 09, 2024, 07:53:06 PMQuote from: full moon on November 09, 2024, 07:38:11 PMQuote from: mrdeeds on November 09, 2024, 07:27:37 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on November 09, 2024, 07:26:37 PMAnother sob story for Cavan.
Alot to admire about that crosserlough performance though.
Discipline questionable maybe but did they deserve 3 blacks and a red card?
Tyrone men have given them an edge pity they couldn't get it done.
No they didn't deserve that. What was second black for? The abuse the referee allowed against McVeety was shocking.
Yeah even the first black was harsh but I could imagine a case. 2nd was an absolute joke and not black. 3rd also seemed harsh and how Kilcoo escaped a black for similar incidents is a mystery.
The red was 2 yellows but I wonder did he even receive the first yellow as he seemed fairly bewildered?
Honestly it's hard to say Kilcoo deserved that, Crosserlough were unlucky but Kilcoo a bigger name and got the rub of green big time. They also dive a lot. Overall I'd say Kilcoo will need to improve to win Ulster but they're very difficult to play against.
I have my doubts if he got a yellow previously i don't recall him getting one.
There's a report out on the game in one of the papers and it confirms that it was an error and he received a second yellow and red despite never having a first yellow.
Sums up the refereeing.
Quote from: full moon on November 09, 2024, 09:49:58 PMQuote from: Cavan19 on November 09, 2024, 07:53:06 PMQuote from: full moon on November 09, 2024, 07:38:11 PMQuote from: mrdeeds on November 09, 2024, 07:27:37 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on November 09, 2024, 07:26:37 PMAnother sob story for Cavan.
Alot to admire about that crosserlough performance though.
Discipline questionable maybe but did they deserve 3 blacks and a red card?
Tyrone men have given them an edge pity they couldn't get it done.
No they didn't deserve that. What was second black for? The abuse the referee allowed against McVeety was shocking.
Yeah even the first black was harsh but I could imagine a case. 2nd was an absolute joke and not black. 3rd also seemed harsh and how Kilcoo escaped a black for similar incidents is a mystery.
The red was 2 yellows but I wonder did he even receive the first yellow as he seemed fairly bewildered?
Honestly it's hard to say Kilcoo deserved that, Crosserlough were unlucky but Kilcoo a bigger name and got the rub of green big time. They also dive a lot. Overall I'd say Kilcoo will need to improve to win Ulster but they're very difficult to play against.
I have my doubts if he got a yellow previously i don't recall him getting one.
There's a report out on the game in one of the papers and it confirms that it was an error and he received a second yellow and red despite never having a first yellow.
Sums up the refereeing.
So was more than one ridiculous phantom card. Definitely reffed the two teams differently. Shocking. He was linesman in 2020 Ulster final and called ref to give a black card for a Cavan player and it was so ridiculous.
Quote from: full moon on November 09, 2024, 09:49:58 PMQuote from: Cavan19 on November 09, 2024, 07:53:06 PMQuote from: full moon on November 09, 2024, 07:38:11 PMQuote from: mrdeeds on November 09, 2024, 07:27:37 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on November 09, 2024, 07:26:37 PMAnother sob story for Cavan.
Alot to admire about that crosserlough performance though.
Discipline questionable maybe but did they deserve 3 blacks and a red card?
Tyrone men have given them an edge pity they couldn't get it done.
No they didn't deserve that. What was second black for? The abuse the referee allowed against McVeety was shocking.
Yeah even the first black was harsh but I could imagine a case. 2nd was an absolute joke and not black. 3rd also seemed harsh and how Kilcoo escaped a black for similar incidents is a mystery.
The red was 2 yellows but I wonder did he even receive the first yellow as he seemed fairly bewildered?
Honestly it's hard to say Kilcoo deserved that, Crosserlough were unlucky but Kilcoo a bigger name and got the rub of green big time. They also dive a lot. Overall I'd say Kilcoo will need to improve to win Ulster but they're very difficult to play against.
I have my doubts if he got a yellow previously i don't recall him getting one.
There's a report out on the game in one of the papers and it confirms that it was an error and he received a second yellow and red despite never having a first yellow.
Sums up the refereeing.
Replay??
Quote from: WT4E on November 09, 2024, 10:49:35 PMQuote from: full moon on November 09, 2024, 09:49:58 PMQuote from: Cavan19 on November 09, 2024, 07:53:06 PMQuote from: full moon on November 09, 2024, 07:38:11 PMQuote from: mrdeeds on November 09, 2024, 07:27:37 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on November 09, 2024, 07:26:37 PMAnother sob story for Cavan.
Alot to admire about that crosserlough performance though.
Discipline questionable maybe but did they deserve 3 blacks and a red card?
Tyrone men have given them an edge pity they couldn't get it done.
No they didn't deserve that. What was second black for? The abuse the referee allowed against McVeety was shocking.
Yeah even the first black was harsh but I could imagine a case. 2nd was an absolute joke and not black. 3rd also seemed harsh and how Kilcoo escaped a black for similar incidents is a mystery.
The red was 2 yellows but I wonder did he even receive the first yellow as he seemed fairly bewildered?
Honestly it's hard to say Kilcoo deserved that, Crosserlough were unlucky but Kilcoo a bigger name and got the rub of green big time. They also dive a lot. Overall I'd say Kilcoo will need to improve to win Ulster but they're very difficult to play against.
I have my doubts if he got a yellow previously i don't recall him getting one.
There's a report out on the game in one of the papers and it confirms that it was an error and he received a second yellow and red despite never having a first yellow.
Sums up the refereeing.
Replay??
Game was over at that stage, just summed up how he reffed the two teams different.
Ref was poor but Crosserlough wasefeful too. They lacked composure towards the end. Maybe if Paddy Lynch was fit it would have been a different outcome.
Quote from: Westside on November 09, 2024, 07:28:29 PMBarry Cassidy should never referee a game involving a Cavan team. He has a long history of cheating Cavan sides, unquestionably biased against us. Disgraceful.
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Crosserlough showed they are fine team and probably the best to come out cavan I have seen in last 15 years. They should dominate Cavan championship for a few years and have good go at winning Ulster in the near future. Kilcoo experience won it last night but know they have to improve if they are to compete to win any further games this year.
Quote from: downtothecore on November 10, 2024, 08:35:49 AMCrosserlough showed they are fine team and probably the best to come out cavan I have seen in last 15 years. They should dominate Cavan championship for a few years and have good go at winning Ulster in the near future. Kilcoo experience won it last night but know they have to improve if they are to compete to win any further games this year.
Kilcoo on the way down, all clubs domination die down after a period
Couldn't pick a winner at the minute
Quote from: downtothecore on November 10, 2024, 08:35:49 AMCrosserlough showed they are fine team and probably the best to come out cavan I have seen in last 15 years. They should dominate Cavan championship for a few years and have good go at winning Ulster in the near future. Kilcoo experience won it last night but know they have to improve if they are to compete to win any further games this year.
Not sure how you can say Crosserlough should be dominating Cavan for years to come when Gowna are there having been denied 3 in a row this year, a young side and have plenty of talent coming. They also have beaten Crosserlough in all of the big games they've met in over the last number of years.
Quote from: Westside on November 10, 2024, 12:04:06 PMQuote from: downtothecore on November 10, 2024, 08:35:49 AMCrosserlough showed they are fine team and probably the best to come out cavan I have seen in last 15 years. They should dominate Cavan championship for a few years and have good go at winning Ulster in the near future. Kilcoo experience won it last night but know they have to improve if they are to compete to win any further games this year.
Not sure how you can say Crosserlough should be dominating Cavan for years to come when Gowna are there having been denied 3 in a row this year, a young side and have plenty of talent coming. They also have beaten Crosserlough in all of the big games they've met in over the last number of years.
Crosserlough haven't beaten Gowna you mean?
The last couple of years show that Cavan club football isn't that bad.
But we need a big win as these sob stories every year are holding us back.
Major mental block for Cavan teams in Ulster and one signature win could be massive
This isn't looking good for Cargin!
Blame the ref.....
Cargin are woeful
Too easy for Errigal. They got a bit complacent in the first half which kept Cargin in it, sorta.
Quote from: ONeill on November 10, 2024, 02:28:36 PMToo easy for Errigal. They got a bit complacent in the first half which kept Cargin in it, sorta.
That's a decent win and EC have tradition so ya never know.
Wasn't at it but heard Cargin were poor
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 10, 2024, 08:40:57 AMQuote from: downtothecore on November 10, 2024, 08:35:49 AMCrosserlough showed they are fine team and probably the best to come out cavan I have seen in last 15 years. They should dominate Cavan championship for a few years and have good go at winning Ulster in the near future. Kilcoo experience won it last night but know they have to improve if they are to compete to win any further games this year.
Kilcoo on the way down, all clubs domination die down after a period
Couldn't pick a winner at the minute
I think that is very true. With Corofin knocked out I assume kilcoo will be the bookies favourites for not just Ulster but also the AI.
Don't think that's justified. In the past maybe, but some of their most experienced players getting on a bit in age. Definitely not at their best. Eugene Brannigan, usually a star performer was substituted. Lacey not afraid to make the big calls. They can definitively improve but I have my doubts.
Saying that Crosserlough are a top team, much better team I thought.
As you say wide open at this stage.
Early doors but CE are looking strong
CE making it look somewhat easy when on the ball
Quote from: jb77 on November 10, 2024, 03:51:43 PMCE making it look somewhat easy when on the ball
Definitely going to nick a goal from a short kickout here
Jesus TK, could have put some serious daylight between them there instead NB go down & score and its a 2pt game at ht. Good half from Clann Eireann but a long way from over.
Some Cargin fans need to take a good look at themselves. Fair few attempts to start rows in the stands to make up for their team not turning up. Wise up ffs
Ref riding CE now
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 10, 2024, 04:22:33 PMRef riding CE now
Didn't faloon transfer to Armagh after the Down final fiasco? If he did how does he qualify for this
Quote from: Brendan on November 10, 2024, 04:24:40 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 10, 2024, 04:22:33 PMRef riding CE now
Didn't faloon transfer to Armagh after the Down final fiasco? If he did how does he qualify for this
Did he? Don't remember that.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 10, 2024, 04:25:26 PMQuote from: Brendan on November 10, 2024, 04:24:40 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 10, 2024, 04:22:33 PMRef riding CE now
Didn't faloon transfer to Armagh after the Down final fiasco? If he did how does he qualify for this
Did he? Don't remember that.
Maybe was just typical GAABoard rumours, but as a Derry man I'd agree Newbridge defnitly getting the 50/50s here
Why are CE in black jerseys? Hardly a colour clash with Newbridge
Quote from: Estimator on November 10, 2024, 04:44:55 PMWhy are CE in black jerseys? Hardly a colour clash with Newbridge
Trying to use the kilcoo effect
Newbridge 3/4 day bender the other week didn't help them from videos I saw.These sort games u gonna have to be focused from Day 1.
What was the Newbridge lad at the end doing...
Too many lads on Twitter. ::)
The turnover on Mark Doherty at the end was the difference
Or Discussion Boards lol
Quote from: Armagh4sam2024 on November 10, 2024, 04:04:36 PMSome Cargin fans need to take a good look at themselves. Fair few attempts to start rows in the stands to make up for their team not turning up. Wise up ffs
Cargin were so poor expected a bit more out of them
Thought faloon was alright minus a couple of head scratching calls. CE deserved that. Just.
Quote from: Armagh4sam2024 on November 10, 2024, 04:04:36 PMSome Cargin fans need to take a good look at themselves. Fair few attempts to start rows in the stands to make up for their team not turning up. Wise up ffs
An EC fan, a grown man, decided to walk down the stand and roar into some young fellas face, the cub is in primary school. His dad went up and had a word, as anyone would.
But don't let the truth get in the way.
Good win for CE. Wasteful in front of the posts at times especially given their scoring exploits in the Armagh final but they physically dominated Newbridge. Turbo was kept quiet after giving an exhibition last day out but other men were there to step up.
Ref didn't let a lot go which is a shame. His brother got a bit of flak last year from CE for his performance in the Armagh semi final where he let absolutely everything go lol.
EC v CE should be a humdinger. Tyrone's biggest club v Armagh's biggest club - where is this likely to be?
Quote from: general_lee on November 10, 2024, 05:09:53 PMGood win for CE. Wasteful in front of the posts at times especially given their scoring exploits in the Armagh final but they physically dominated Newbridge. Turbo was kept quiet after giving an exhibition last day out but other men were there to step up.
Ref didn't let a lot go which is a shame. His brother got a bit of flak last year from CE for his performance in the Armagh semi final where he let absolutely everything go lol.
EC v CE should be a humdinger. Tyrone's biggest club v Armagh's biggest club - where is this likely to be?
It should be in athletic grounds it is 30 mins from both lurgan and ballygawley
Quote from: Saul goodman on November 10, 2024, 05:12:32 PMQuote from: general_lee on November 10, 2024, 05:09:53 PMGood win for CE. Wasteful in front of the posts at times especially given their scoring exploits in the Armagh final but they physically dominated Newbridge. Turbo was kept quiet after giving an exhibition last day out but other men were there to step up.
Ref didn't let a lot go which is a shame. His brother got a bit of flak last year from CE for his performance in the Armagh semi final where he let absolutely everything go lol.
EC v CE should be a humdinger. Tyrone's biggest club v Armagh's biggest club - where is this likely to be?
It should be in athletic grounds it is 30 mins from both lurgan and ballygawley
Neutral venue?
Good win for Clann Eireann, they showed some serious physicality & maturity there, they've definitely progressed. No matter what happens from here, they'll be hard shifted in Armagh club championship for a few years.
You'd imagine Errigal will be heavy favourites in the semi but that will suit CE down to the ground, they'll certainly not roll over.
Quote from: marty34 on November 10, 2024, 05:13:45 PMQuote from: Saul goodman on November 10, 2024, 05:12:32 PMQuote from: general_lee on November 10, 2024, 05:09:53 PMGood win for CE. Wasteful in front of the posts at times especially given their scoring exploits in the Armagh final but they physically dominated Newbridge. Turbo was kept quiet after giving an exhibition last day out but other men were there to step up.
Ref didn't let a lot go which is a shame. His brother got a bit of flak last year from CE for his performance in the Armagh semi final where he let absolutely everything go lol.
EC v CE should be a humdinger. Tyrone's biggest club v Armagh's biggest club - where is this likely to be?
It should be in athletic grounds it is 30 mins from both lurgan and ballygawley
Neutral venue?
Celtic Park or pairc esler
Quote from: Brendan on November 10, 2024, 04:24:40 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 10, 2024, 04:22:33 PMRef riding CE now
Didn't faloon transfer to Armagh after the Down final fiasco? If he did how does he qualify for this
Think you're getting him mixed up with his brother who refs in Armagh, Paul Falloon is definitely still a Down ref
Clones is surely the most obvious but it can be poor enough underfoot at this time of year, have to be early with no floodlights. I'd say Newry myself.
Quote from: bennydorano on November 10, 2024, 05:34:00 PMClones is surely the most obvious but it can be poor enough underfoot at this time of year, have to be early with no floodlights. I'd say Newry myself.
Newry would be a good shout as it needs to be a neutral venue.
Best team won today, CE better decion making in the final 3rd and kickouts better than Newbridge 2ho struggled to win their own kickouts. Turbitt well shackled today. Some achievement for Newbridge to win Derry without McGrogan,P.
CE a slick outfit, will put it up to Errigal
Any know if it's next weekend or 2 weekends?
I see scotstown-erne gaels don't play their QF to next weekend.
Quote from: scout on November 10, 2024, 05:43:46 PMAny know if it's next weekend or 2 weekends?
I see scotstown-erne gaels don't play their QF to next weekend.
2 weeks and then 2 weeks again between semi and final. Final is weekend of 7/8th December.
Quote from: scout on November 10, 2024, 05:43:46 PMAny know if it's next weekend or 2 weekends?
I see scotstown-erne gaels don't play their QF to next weekend.
That game was due today but for what happened at Erne Gaels?
Says in the Irish News online that Errigal v CE is in the Athletic Grounds
https://www.irishnews.com/gaa/gaelic-football/live-updates-from-the-two-ulster-club-quarter-finals-today-as-cargin-play-errigal-ciaran-and-newbridge-take-on-clann-eireann-F7Z6YPPMSRERZIK674SOWXHWBA/
Clann Eireann and Errigal Ciarán will now meet at the BOX-IT Athletic Grounds on the weekend of November 23-34 to fight it out for a place in the Ulster Senior Football Championship final.
Quote from: Estimator on November 10, 2024, 04:44:55 PMWhy are CE in black jerseys? Hardly a colour clash with Newbridge
Same reason that Armagh wore their black jersey against certain teams
Clans v errigal in newry on sat 23rd November
Quote from: bennydorano on November 10, 2024, 06:04:15 PMSays in the Irish News online that Errigal v CE is in the Athletic Grounds
https://www.irishnews.com/gaa/gaelic-football/live-updates-from-the-two-ulster-club-quarter-finals-today-as-cargin-play-errigal-ciaran-and-newbridge-take-on-clann-eireann-F7Z6YPPMSRERZIK674SOWXHWBA/
Clann Eireann and Errigal Ciarán will now meet at the BOX-IT Athletic Grounds on the weekend of November 23-34 to fight it out for a place in the Ulster Senior Football Championship final.
That would be ideal but can't see it played at AG?
Quote from: JimStynes on November 10, 2024, 06:18:23 PMQuote from: Estimator on November 10, 2024, 04:44:55 PMWhy are CE in black jerseys? Hardly a colour clash with Newbridge
Same reason that Armagh wore their black jersey against certain teams
That they too have colour blind players?
Quote from: JimStynes on November 10, 2024, 06:18:23 PMQuote from: Estimator on November 10, 2024, 04:44:55 PMWhy are CE in black jerseys? Hardly a colour clash with Newbridge
Same reason that Armagh wore their black jersey against certain teams
Why did they wear it against certain teams Jim? You seem to be the man who would know...
Quote from: David McKeown on November 10, 2024, 07:24:39 PMQuote from: JimStynes on November 10, 2024, 06:18:23 PMQuote from: Estimator on November 10, 2024, 04:44:55 PMWhy are CE in black jerseys? Hardly a colour clash with Newbridge
Same reason that Armagh wore their black jersey against certain teams
That they too have colour blind players?
Think Geezer debunked that reason?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 10, 2024, 04:50:11 PMNewbridge 3/4 day bender the other week didn't help them from videos I saw.These sort games u gonna have to be focused from Day 1.
In all fairness if you're after winning your first title in 35? years you're going to celebrate it well. Clann Eireann definitely took a few days at it too though. Better team won it, really think they can go another step and beat EC. When will we know time/venue for next round?
TBF in my experience no one knows how to go on the rip like lurgan people...
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 10, 2024, 09:05:07 PMTBF in my experience no one knows how to go on the rip like lurgan people...
Buckfast are bringing out a special CE2024 edition in honour.
Will it taste any better
1. Kilcoo
2. Scotstown
3. Errigal
4. CE
3 and 4 are interchangeable.
Quote from: ONeill on November 10, 2024, 10:15:08 PM1. Kilcoo
2. Scotstown
3. Errigal
4. CE
3 and 4 are interchangeable.
1. Errigal (strong in all lines)
2. Scotstown
3. Kilcoo
4. CE
Quote from: JoG2 on November 10, 2024, 11:05:56 PMQuote from: ONeill on November 10, 2024, 10:15:08 PM1. Kilcoo
2. Scotstown
3. Errigal
4. CE
3 and 4 are interchangeable.
1. Errigal (strong in all lines)
2. Scotstown
3. Kilcoo
4. CE
Stronger than Scotstown in all lines?
Beggan
McArdle and otoole
McCarthy and k hughes
Mccarville
S Carey
McCarron and d Hughes
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 10, 2024, 02:43:45 PMQuote from: ONeill on November 10, 2024, 02:28:36 PMToo easy for Errigal. They got a bit complacent in the first half which kept Cargin in it, sorta.
That's a decent win and EC have tradition so ya never know.
Wasn't at it but heard Cargin were poor
So the tyrone intermediate champions beat the team who finished fourth in the Antrim league.
The Tyrone senior champions hammered the team who are easily the best team in Antrim by a distance.
And your the guy who repeatedly questions the quality of tyrone club football???
Quote from: Bring back club football on November 11, 2024, 02:06:22 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 10, 2024, 02:43:45 PMQuote from: ONeill on November 10, 2024, 02:28:36 PMToo easy for Errigal. They got a bit complacent in the first half which kept Cargin in it, sorta.
That's a decent win and EC have tradition so ya never know.
Wasn't at it but heard Cargin were poor
So the tyrone intermediate champions beat the team who finished fourth in the Antrim league.
The Tyrone senior champions hammered the team who are easily the best team in Antrim by a distance.
And your the guy who repeatedly questions the quality of tyrone club football???
In fairness comparing to Antrim football isn't much of a test. Looking at how intermediate and junior Tyrone teams usually go in Ulster they're clearly a good standard.
Quote from: Bring back club football on November 11, 2024, 02:06:22 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 10, 2024, 02:43:45 PMQuote from: ONeill on November 10, 2024, 02:28:36 PMToo easy for Errigal. They got a bit complacent in the first half which kept Cargin in it, sorta.
That's a decent win and EC have tradition so ya never know.
Wasn't at it but heard Cargin were poor
So the tyrone intermediate champions beat the team who finished fourth in the Antrim league.
The Tyrone senior champions hammered the team who are easily the best team in Antrim by a distance.
And your the guy who repeatedly questions the quality of tyrone club football???
Look at the records, it's not difficult. EC are the only winners from Tyrone, they have traditionally gone far in Ulster. Nothing new here.
I questioned the quality of Tyrone club football in Ulster against the hype of the best club championship in Ireland.
2 wins
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 11, 2024, 07:37:39 AMQuote from: Bring back club football on November 11, 2024, 02:06:22 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 10, 2024, 02:43:45 PMQuote from: ONeill on November 10, 2024, 02:28:36 PMToo easy for Errigal. They got a bit complacent in the first half which kept Cargin in it, sorta.
That's a decent win and EC have tradition so ya never know.
Wasn't at it but heard Cargin were poor
So the tyrone intermediate champions beat the team who finished fourth in the Antrim league.
The Tyrone senior champions hammered the team who are easily the best team in Antrim by a distance.
And your the guy who repeatedly questions the quality of tyrone club football???
Look at the records, it's not difficult. EC are the only winners from Tyrone, they have traditionally gone far in Ulster. Nothing new here.
I questioned the quality of Tyrone club football in Ulster against the hype of the best club championship in Ireland.
2 wins
Embarrassing coming from Antrim after yesterday... it is the most competitive and exciting championship. Most teams in Tyrone would give Errigal a great game of it in the championship... they threw the best team in Antrim aside.
Full credit to Kilcoo on Saturday for grinding out the win. Coming from a Down SFC in which they are rarely truly tested means that they really have to be about themselves when it comes to the first game in the Ulster series. Crosserlough were an impressive big side and gave it their all. Just a bit of ill discipline crept in at times.
Quote from: ONeill on November 10, 2024, 10:15:08 PM1. Kilcoo
2. Scotstown
3. Errigal
4. CE
3 and 4 are interchangeable.
Whoever wins between Kilcoo/Scotstown will be favourites but the winner of Errigal/CE will give them a right game I suspect.
Tyrone Club wins of the Ulster Senior Championship - 2
Antrim Clubs wins of the Ulster Senior Championship- 4
Tyrone Club wins of the AI senior Championship - 0
Antrim Club wins of the AI senior Championship - 1
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 11, 2024, 10:14:02 AMTyrone Club wins of the Ulster Senior Championship - 2
Antrim Clubs wins of the Ulster Senior Championship- 4
Tyrone Club wins of the AI senior Championship - 0
Antrim Club wins of the AI senior Championship - 1
Which shows Antrim once in a blue moon produces a great team a mile in front of all the others while Tyrone remains the most competitive and entertaining. How hard is this to understand?
Tyrone SFC is good because it's straight knockout which is now a bit of a novelty factor.
I get the feeling a "top 2" is developing though, that's not to say either team is a shoe-in but 7 of the last 10 finals has featured either or both of EC/Trillick.
Quote from: Truthsayer on November 11, 2024, 10:53:14 AMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 11, 2024, 10:14:02 AMTyrone Club wins of the Ulster Senior Championship - 2
Antrim Clubs wins of the Ulster Senior Championship- 4
Tyrone Club wins of the AI senior Championship - 0
Antrim Club wins of the AI senior Championship - 1
Which shows Antrim once in a blue moon produces a great team a mile in front of all the others while Tyrone remains the most competitive and entertaining. How hard is this to understand?
I would argue if everyone club championship was straight knockout then it would be the same as Tyrone. It's not that your senior clubs are superior or better ... take for example the amount of games played to win a Tyrone champ is less than other counties... why are they woeful at Ulster club level ?
It dosnt add up saying it's the best and entertaining because of the quality ... it's the format which ads to it I believe
It's not the quality of the best team but the quality of the worst team.
You could have a super team hammering the dung out of poor teams year in year out - that, for me, would not be a good or interesting championship.
All counties have at one point or other have had straight knockout, we had it for years, but the clubs asked for group games due to the fact that they trained all year and boom, out of championship and nothing to play for the rest of the year.
I think it was purely for clubs to get extra games and to allow players to play at a higher level that they normally would more often, whether there is merit in that I don't really know.
But lads coming on and saying because its straight knockout thats what makes it the best, the every county that did it in the past would claim that title
Straight ko is a novelty at this stage which does still hold some appeal, group stages have merit but some might argue it allows better teams an off-day and still get a second bite. CE for example weren't undefeated in Armagh
Tyrone championship ended a few weeks ago! Antrim boys still arguing it's not the best! :D get over it...
Tyrone is competitive, that's about the height of it...as someone said above though it's becoming less competitive with Trillick and EC going to be the dominant teams for the next few years I suspect.
When did this shite pivot from "best" to "competitive" or "entertaining"?
All club championships imo should be straight knockout. I think group stages are a total nonsense, ending up with meaningless, dead rubber games or the shadow boxing games early on if two of the big teams in the county meet each other (ie Slaughtneil vs Glen). The championships in Antrim, Armagh, Derry are completely diluted as a result of their formats, it doesn't really work for me. You end up with clubs and players maybe not playing a proper knock out game which simply shouldn't be the case. Tyrone championship is by far the most exciting Ive seen based on their format, great crowds, great hype and it feels like a big game for all the players. That all feeds into the game as well. The big issue with the group stages for me is say the likes of a smaller team takes a scalp of a bigger team, if they happen to meet again later on in the championship, say in a semi final, its very difficult and rarely happens where that smaller team will beat that bigger team again.
Quote from: Christmas Lights on November 11, 2024, 01:12:53 PMAll club championships imo should be straight knockout. I think group stages are a total nonsense, ending up with meaningless, dead rubber games or the shadow boxing games early on if two of the big teams in the county meet each other (ie Slaughtneil vs Glen). The championships in Antrim, Armagh, Derry are completely diluted as a result of their formats, it doesn't really work for me. You end up with clubs and players maybe not playing a proper knock out game which simply shouldn't be the case. Tyrone championship is by far the most exciting Ive seen based on their format, great crowds, great hype and it feels like a big game for all the players. That all feeds into the game as well. The big issue with the group stages for me is say the likes of a smaller team takes a scalp of a bigger team, if they happen to meet again later on in the championship, say in a semi final, its very difficult and rarely happens where that smaller team will beat that bigger team again.
I agree to an extent particularly from a supporters point of view as its more exciting. As a coach and former player there are many issues with straight knockout. Smaller teams beating the really big teams - how often does that happen? There's a reason the bigger teams are the bigger teams and that's because they don't fall to upsets very often. Smaller teams can go for years in straight knockout with one game a season. How do they develop? To give a county example, McGeeny said recently that Armagh won the AI this year because of their development over the last few years and he said this would've been impossible with knockout. In reality straight knockout suits the bigger teams because they will get a run most years. They're not too disappointed in a bad year because they get a rest. Smaller clubs can develop a team if they get 4 or 5 championship games a year even if they slightly lack the intensity of knockout.
Quote from: Christmas Lights on November 11, 2024, 01:12:53 PMAll club championships imo should be straight knockout. I think group stages are a total nonsense, ending up with meaningless, dead rubber games or the shadow boxing games early on if two of the big teams in the county meet each other (ie Slaughtneil vs Glen). The championships in Antrim, Armagh, Derry are completely diluted as a result of their formats, it doesn't really work for me. You end up with clubs and players maybe not playing a proper knock out game which simply shouldn't be the case. Tyrone championship is by far the most exciting Ive seen based on their format, great crowds, great hype and it feels like a big game for all the players. That all feeds into the game as well. The big issue with the group stages for me is say the likes of a smaller team takes a scalp of a bigger team, if they happen to meet again later on in the championship, say in a semi final, its very difficult and rarely happens where that smaller team will beat that bigger team again.
I don't get the support for straight knockout myself. In Derry the group stages are just to reintroduce the county men and allow them a few games before it's all or nothing. If Derry was straight knockout all you are getting is one extra knockout round of 16. It's knockout from the last 8 anyway. In your example the smaller team probably only took a scalp because it's not knockout. For example Glen always rest players in the early group games in Derry, they wouldn't do that if it was straight knockout.
Quote from: Christmas Lights on November 11, 2024, 01:12:53 PMI think group stages are a total nonsense, ending up with meaningless, dead rubber games or the shadow boxing games early on if two of the big teams in the county meet each other
Whatever about shadow boxing, it takes a very rare set of circumstances for there to be dead rubber matches.
Quote from: Christmas Lights on November 11, 2024, 01:12:53 PMThe championships in Antrim, Armagh, Derry are completely diluted as a result of their formats, it doesn't really work for me. You end up with clubs and players maybe not playing a proper knock out game which simply shouldn't be the case.
A team who gets knocked out at the group stage has effectively played a knockout match with their third fixture.
I appreciate you're only voicing your opinion, and it is one that seems to be gaining increasing popularity, but I'd only ask that people keep in mind that for those Counties who have introduced group stages, have already had straight knockout for over 100 years, and felt that it was time for a change. Furthermore, with the arrival of the split season, there seems to be growing alarm at the fact that some County players are getting to play only 4 / 5 games with their Clubs each year - a straight knockout would surely only add to that issue, with the possibility of one game and you're out.
The Championship is the most important competition in the GAA calendar, where teams are best prepared and have their strongest squads available. Having more matches between those teams, for me, simply means more fixtures to enjoy.
Clann Eireann were poor enough but got over the line. Turbitt was way below par and it wasn't even the way he was marked, looked uninterested at times which is bizarre to say when i seen the display he gave in County final. To win when some of your top men don't perform says a lot and I expect a really good game v Errigal C. However, if Clann Eireann's big guns don't step up against EC then they'll be wasting their time. They have the arsenal to win and i hope they do but i think Errigal will be too strong for them, hopefully i'm wrong.
Quote from: illdecide on November 11, 2024, 02:05:48 PMClann Eireann were poor enough but got over the line. Turbitt was way below par and it wasn't even the way he was marked, looked uninterested at times which is bizarre to say when i seen the display he gave in County final. To win when some of your top men don't perform says a lot and I expect a really good game v Errigal C. However, if Clann Eireann's big guns don't step up against EC then they'll be wasting their time. They have the arsenal to win and i hope they do but i think Errigal will be too strong for them, hopefully i'm wrong.
I thought was a decent game between two strong sides. Jack Conlan was excellent and himself and McDonald to me are better players than Magee who was part of the extended Armagh panel.
Matchups will be interesting Owens maybe the best suited for D Canavan and did an excellent man marking role in the County final with possibly Heffron on R Canavan and McCarthy on Petey Harte. If Turbitt is really on it not sure Errigal have someone fit for him.
Quote from: Mario on November 11, 2024, 01:30:26 PMQuote from: Christmas Lights on November 11, 2024, 01:12:53 PMAll club championships imo should be straight knockout. I think group stages are a total nonsense, ending up with meaningless, dead rubber games or the shadow boxing games early on if two of the big teams in the county meet each other (ie Slaughtneil vs Glen). The championships in Antrim, Armagh, Derry are completely diluted as a result of their formats, it doesn't really work for me. You end up with clubs and players maybe not playing a proper knock out game which simply shouldn't be the case. Tyrone championship is by far the most exciting Ive seen based on their format, great crowds, great hype and it feels like a big game for all the players. That all feeds into the game as well. The big issue with the group stages for me is say the likes of a smaller team takes a scalp of a bigger team, if they happen to meet again later on in the championship, say in a semi final, its very difficult and rarely happens where that smaller team will beat that bigger team again.
I don't get the support for straight knockout myself. In Derry the group stages are just to reintroduce the county men and allow them a few games before it's all or nothing. If Derry was straight knockout all you are getting is one extra knockout round of 16. It's knockout from the last 8 anyway. In your example the smaller team probably only took a scalp because it's not knockout. For example Glen always rest players in the early group games in Derry, they wouldn't do that if it was straight knockout.
That's exactly my issue with none knockout. Teams like Glen able to rest players or get them into shape before knockout is what people mean when they say that system supports the bigger teams. At least in Tyrone if you aren't up to scratch from the get go you're at risk of getting put out. In fairness most teams are prepared for championship since the league is taken more seriously here than in other counties and county men play the majority of the league. In championship I don't think teams should have the luxury of resting county players knowing that those games don't mean much
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on November 11, 2024, 01:40:05 PMQuote from: Christmas Lights on November 11, 2024, 01:12:53 PMI think group stages are a total nonsense, ending up with meaningless, dead rubber games or the shadow boxing games early on if two of the big teams in the county meet each other
Whatever about shadow boxing, it takes a very rare set of circumstances for there to be dead rubber matches.
Quote from: Christmas Lights on November 11, 2024, 01:12:53 PMThe championships in Antrim, Armagh, Derry are completely diluted as a result of their formats, it doesn't really work for me. You end up with clubs and players maybe not playing a proper knock out game which simply shouldn't be the case.
A team who gets knocked out at the group stage has effectively played a knockout match with their third fixture.
I appreciate you're only voicing your opinion, and it is one that seems to be gaining increasing popularity, but I'd only ask that people keep in mind that for those Counties who have introduced group stages, have already had straight knockout for over 100 years, and felt that it was time for a change. Furthermore, with the arrival of the split season, there seems to be growing alarm at the fact that some County players are getting to play only 4 / 5 games with their Clubs each year - a straight knockout would surely only add to that issue, with the possibility of one game and you're out.
The Championship is the most important competition in the GAA calendar, where teams are best prepared and have their strongest squads available. Having more matches between those teams, for me, simply means more fixtures to enjoy.
Should really follow the Tyrone model were the 15 game league is widely competitive and then a knockout championship. County players available for 10 league games and the championship run.
So the best league in the world and the best championship in the world ;D
I jest.
As said, clubs do what they feel right that helps them, they control the championship set ups and that is how the delegates at county level want things.
With the majority of the other counties doing it and it works for them, that's ok, though they will lose the title of the best championship in the world
Quote from: statto on November 11, 2024, 02:23:52 PMQuote from: illdecide on November 11, 2024, 02:05:48 PMClann Eireann were poor enough but got over the line. Turbitt was way below par and it wasn't even the way he was marked, looked uninterested at times which is bizarre to say when i seen the display he gave in County final. To win when some of your top men don't perform says a lot and I expect a really good game v Errigal C. However, if Clann Eireann's big guns don't step up against EC then they'll be wasting their time. They have the arsenal to win and i hope they do but i think Errigal will be too strong for them, hopefully i'm wrong.
I thought was a decent game between two strong sides. Jack Conlan was excellent and himself and McDonald to me are better players than Magee who was part of the extended Armagh panel.
Matchups will be interesting Owens maybe the best suited for D Canavan and did an excellent man marking role in the County final with possibly Heffron on R Canavan and McCarthy on Petey Harte. If Turbitt is really on it not sure Errigal have someone fit for him.
I'd actually be surprised if young E Magee isnt tasked with picking up one of the Canavans.
Quote from: statto on November 11, 2024, 02:23:52 PMQuote from: illdecide on November 11, 2024, 02:05:48 PMClann Eireann were poor enough but got over the line. Turbitt was way below par and it wasn't even the way he was marked, looked uninterested at times which is bizarre to say when i seen the display he gave in County final. To win when some of your top men don't perform says a lot and I expect a really good game v Errigal C. However, if Clann Eireann's big guns don't step up against EC then they'll be wasting their time. They have the arsenal to win and i hope they do but i think Errigal will be too strong for them, hopefully i'm wrong.
I thought was a decent game between two strong sides. Jack Conlan was excellent and himself and McDonald to me are better players than Magee who was part of the extended Armagh panel.
Matchups will be interesting Owens maybe the best suited for D Canavan and did an excellent man marking role in the County final with possibly Heffron on R Canavan and McCarthy on Petey Harte. If Turbitt is really on it not sure Errigal have someone fit for him.
Cormac Quinn probably be the man to pick up turbit
Quote from: gallsman on November 11, 2024, 01:01:11 PMWhen did this shite pivot from "best" to "competitive" or "entertaining"?
That's what makes it the best... any of at least 8 teams can win it and is very exciting and competitive. After the Antrim champions display yesterday, maybe it's not the best day to be slagging off Tyrone club football :D
Quote from: statto on November 11, 2024, 09:57:21 AMQuote from: ONeill on November 10, 2024, 10:15:08 PM1. Kilcoo
2. Scotstown
3. Errigal
4. CE
3 and 4 are interchangeable.
Whoever wins between Kilcoo/Scotstown will be favourites but the winner of Errigal/CE will give them a right game I suspect.
Does Erin Gaels not have a chance?
Quote from: downtothecore on November 11, 2024, 04:38:31 PMQuote from: statto on November 11, 2024, 09:57:21 AMQuote from: ONeill on November 10, 2024, 10:15:08 PM1. Kilcoo
2. Scotstown
3. Errigal
4. CE
3 and 4 are interchangeable.
Whoever wins between Kilcoo/Scotstown will be favourites but the winner of Errigal/CE will give them a right game I suspect.
Does Erin Gaels not have a chance?
Would be very surprised if Erne Gaels beat Scotstown.
I think if Erne Gaels would have played this weekend they would have beaten as they had been celebrating hard.
Wednesday , unfortunately, put a stop to that.
They have had a very tough week as a club but I think they will cause Scotstown issues.
Quote from: Truthsayer on November 11, 2024, 03:47:13 PMQuote from: gallsman on November 11, 2024, 01:01:11 PMWhen did this shite pivot from "best" to "competitive" or "entertaining"?
That's what makes it the best... any of at least 8 teams can win it and is very exciting and competitive. After the Antrim champions display yesterday, maybe it's not the best day to be slagging off Tyrone club football :D
This thread is about Ulster championship? Been going 56 years, bar two of those years slagging off Tyrone teams is standard ;D
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 11, 2024, 08:24:31 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on November 11, 2024, 03:47:13 PMQuote from: gallsman on November 11, 2024, 01:01:11 PMWhen did this shite pivot from "best" to "competitive" or "entertaining"?
That's what makes it the best... any of at least 8 teams can win it and is very exciting and competitive. After the Antrim champions display yesterday, maybe it's not the best day to be slagging off Tyrone club football :D
This thread is about Ulster championship? Been going 56 years, bar two of those years slagging off Tyrone teams is standard ;D
If you've nothing to cheer... slag off someone else : )
Quote from: Truthsayer on November 11, 2024, 08:55:24 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 11, 2024, 08:24:31 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on November 11, 2024, 03:47:13 PMQuote from: gallsman on November 11, 2024, 01:01:11 PMWhen did this shite pivot from "best" to "competitive" or "entertaining"?
That's what makes it the best... any of at least 8 teams can win it and is very exciting and competitive. After the Antrim champions display yesterday, maybe it's not the best day to be slagging off Tyrone club football :D
This thread is about Ulster championship? Been going 56 years, bar two of those years slagging off Tyrone teams is standard ;D
If you've nothing to cheer... slag off someone else : )
3 Ulster clubs and an All Ireland ;)
Why does this thread every year turn into MR2 talking about St Galls achievements, as if he's 12 ?
Quote from: Kidder81 on November 11, 2024, 09:52:31 PMWhy does this thread every year turn into MR2 talking about St Galls achievements, as if he's 12 ?
If you can't remember the good times, what's the point?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 11, 2024, 09:46:07 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on November 11, 2024, 08:55:24 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 11, 2024, 08:24:31 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on November 11, 2024, 03:47:13 PMQuote from: gallsman on November 11, 2024, 01:01:11 PMWhen did this shite pivot from "best" to "competitive" or "entertaining"?
That's what makes it the best... any of at least 8 teams can win it and is very exciting and competitive. After the Antrim champions display yesterday, maybe it's not the best day to be slagging off Tyrone club football :D
This thread is about Ulster championship? Been going 56 years, bar two of those years slagging off Tyrone teams is standard ;D
If you've nothing to cheer... slag off someone else : )
3 Ulster clubs and an All Ireland ;)
God be with the days 🤣😂
Quote from: Kidder81 on November 11, 2024, 09:52:31 PMWhy does this thread every year turn into MR2 talking about St Galls achievements, as if he's 12 ?
Says the racist ;)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 11, 2024, 10:33:54 PMQuote from: Kidder81 on November 11, 2024, 09:52:31 PMWhy does this thread every year turn into MR2 talking about St Galls achievements, as if he's 12 ?
Says the racist ;)
Aye zinger
Quote from: general_lee on November 10, 2024, 05:09:53 PMGood win for CE. Wasteful in front of the posts at times especially given their scoring exploits in the Armagh final but they physically dominated Newbridge. Turbo was kept quiet after giving an exhibition last day out but other men were there to step up.
Ref didn't let a lot go which is a shame. His brother got a bit of flak last year from CE for his performance in the Armagh semi final where he let absolutely everything go lol.
EC v CE should be a humdinger. Tyrone's biggest club v Armagh's biggest club - where is this likely to be?
Steady on, I don't even like Crossmaglen but that's an outrageous shout. Playing numbers irrelevant, there's GAA men in the south who are 50+ years of age and hadn't heard of Clann Eireann 5 years ago. I don't think that is hyperbole either - why would they have
EC v CE is being played in Newry and I agree it could be a classic, 2 cracking teams, I fancy Errigal to edge it
Cargin aside they haven't really put anyone to the sword all year I think Clann Eireann should be viewing it like they've every chance.
Quote from: ClubScene13 on November 12, 2024, 03:19:12 PMQuote from: general_lee on November 10, 2024, 05:09:53 PMGood win for CE. Wasteful in front of the posts at times especially given their scoring exploits in the Armagh final but they physically dominated Newbridge. Turbo was kept quiet after giving an exhibition last day out but other men were there to step up.
Ref didn't let a lot go which is a shame. His brother got a bit of flak last year from CE for his performance in the Armagh semi final where he let absolutely everything go lol.
EC v CE should be a humdinger. Tyrone's biggest club v Armagh's biggest club - where is this likely to be?
Steady on, I don't even like Crossmaglen but that's an outrageous shout. Playing numbers irrelevant, there's GAA men in the south who are 50+ years of age and hadn't heard of Clann Eireann 5 years ago. I don't think that is hyperbole either - why would they have
Saw the line being cast yesterday
Membership wise - thought I heard it was Killeavey during the AI Ticket hunt?
Its a 50:50 game no doubt about it, CE will bring that bit of Armagh swagger in too since lifting Sam, would be nice to see 10,000 at it - should be a decent contingent from Down along too, suppose with being available online/TV a few will watch elsewhere
Quote from: tiempo on November 12, 2024, 03:27:13 PMEC v CE is being played in Newry and I agree it could be a classic, 2 cracking teams, I fancy Errigal to edge it
Has this been confirmed along with date and time?
Quote from: tiempo on November 12, 2024, 03:27:13 PMEC v CE is being played in Newry and I agree it could be a classic, 2 cracking teams, I fancy Errigal to edge it
Dungannon would be a much more sensible location, right between the two clubs.
Quote from: dec on November 12, 2024, 05:04:39 PMQuote from: tiempo on November 12, 2024, 03:27:13 PMEC v CE is being played in Newry and I agree it could be a classic, 2 cracking teams, I fancy Errigal to edge it
Dungannon would be a much more sensible location, right between the two clubs.
Is Dungannon up to the correct standard? Edendork would be though, wouldn't it?
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 12, 2024, 05:15:05 PMQuote from: dec on November 12, 2024, 05:04:39 PMQuote from: tiempo on November 12, 2024, 03:27:13 PMEC v CE is being played in Newry and I agree it could be a classic, 2 cracking teams, I fancy Errigal to edge it
Dungannon would be a much more sensible location, right between the two clubs.
Is Dungannon up to the correct standard? Edendork would be though, wouldn't it?
It can't be in Tyrone can it? Neutral?
Look where the Ulster Senior Club Camogie Final is at?
Loughgiel V Swatragh.
Venue is Beragh! :o
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 12, 2024, 05:15:05 PMQuote from: dec on November 12, 2024, 05:04:39 PMQuote from: tiempo on November 12, 2024, 03:27:13 PMEC v CE is being played in Newry and I agree it could be a classic, 2 cracking teams, I fancy Errigal to edge it
Dungannon would be a much more sensible location, right between the two clubs.
Is Dungannon up to the correct standard? Edendork would be though, wouldn't it?
To stand in the cold ???
Quote from: marty34 on November 12, 2024, 06:29:01 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on November 12, 2024, 05:15:05 PMQuote from: dec on November 12, 2024, 05:04:39 PMQuote from: tiempo on November 12, 2024, 03:27:13 PMEC v CE is being played in Newry and I agree it could be a classic, 2 cracking teams, I fancy Errigal to edge it
Dungannon would be a much more sensible location, right between the two clubs.
Is Dungannon up to the correct standard? Edendork would be though, wouldn't it?
It can't be in Tyrone can it? Neutral?
Look where the Ulster Senior Club Camogie Final is at?
Loughgiel V Swatragh.
Venue is Beragh! :o
:D
How did that come about?
Quote from: marty34 on November 12, 2024, 06:29:01 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on November 12, 2024, 05:15:05 PMQuote from: dec on November 12, 2024, 05:04:39 PMQuote from: tiempo on November 12, 2024, 03:27:13 PMEC v CE is being played in Newry and I agree it could be a classic, 2 cracking teams, I fancy Errigal to edge it
Dungannon would be a much more sensible location, right between the two clubs.
Is Dungannon up to the correct standard? Edendork would be though, wouldn't it?
It can't be in Tyrone can it? Neutral?
Look where the Ulster Senior Club Camogie Final is at?
Loughgiel V Swatragh.
Venue is Beragh! :o
Probably had to be neutral, but yeah Dungannon makes more sense distance wise.
2 places not 15 mile from each other. Go for a coin toss at a local club in either county
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on November 12, 2024, 09:05:16 PMQuote from: marty34 on November 12, 2024, 06:29:01 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on November 12, 2024, 05:15:05 PMQuote from: dec on November 12, 2024, 05:04:39 PMQuote from: tiempo on November 12, 2024, 03:27:13 PMEC v CE is being played in Newry and I agree it could be a classic, 2 cracking teams, I fancy Errigal to edge it
Dungannon would be a much more sensible location, right between the two clubs.
Is Dungannon up to the correct standard? Edendork would be though, wouldn't it?
It can't be in Tyrone can it? Neutral?
Look where the Ulster Senior Club Camogie Final is at?
Loughgiel V Swatragh.
Venue is Beragh! :o
:D
How did that come about?
Not sure. Again, had to be neutral. Armagh Athletic grounds probably out due to SN V CDL game there on Saturday evening. It's on tv.
Could it have been played before it?
Ironically enough SN had to play Sarsfields of Galway in a senior club semi-final in Feb '22. It was to be played in Cavan on the Saturday but there was a big storm iirc.
Camogie Association then decided to play it in Gorey.
Yes, you read that correct, Gorey in Wexford. Mad stuff. A Derry and Galway club hving to go to Wexford. Probably the most unsuitable journey ever for both teams. In fairness, they just got on with it.
Swatragh and Loughgiel could maybe have tossed for it e.g. Dunloy (Antrim) or Lavey (Derry) venue. Not too much of a journey for either of them there.
Quote from: marty34 on November 12, 2024, 09:32:11 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on November 12, 2024, 09:05:16 PMQuote from: marty34 on November 12, 2024, 06:29:01 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on November 12, 2024, 05:15:05 PMQuote from: dec on November 12, 2024, 05:04:39 PMQuote from: tiempo on November 12, 2024, 03:27:13 PMEC v CE is being played in Newry and I agree it could be a classic, 2 cracking teams, I fancy Errigal to edge it
Dungannon would be a much more sensible location, right between the two clubs.
Is Dungannon up to the correct standard? Edendork would be though, wouldn't it?
It can't be in Tyrone can it? Neutral?
Look where the Ulster Senior Club Camogie Final is at?
Loughgiel V Swatragh.
Venue is Beragh! :o
:D
How did that come about?
Not sure. Again, had to be neutral. Armagh Athletic grounds probably out due to SN V CDL game there on Saturday evening. It's on tv.
Could it have been played before it?
Ironically enough SN had to play Sarsfields of Galway in a senior club semi-final in Feb '22. It was to be played in Cavan on the Saturday but there was a big storm iirc.
Camogie Association then decided to play it in Gorey.
Yes, you read that correct, Gorey in Wexford. Mad stuff. A Derry and Galway club hving to go to Wexford. Probably the most unsuitable journey ever for both teams. In fairness, they just got on with it.
Swatragh and Loughgiel could maybe have tossed for it e.g. Dunloy (Antrim) or Lavey (Derry) venue. Not too much of a journey for either of them there.
That is actually disgraceful.
Not surprising given the amount of stories you hear about dual ladies players having finals fixed on the same days etc.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 12, 2024, 09:15:15 PMQuote from: marty34 on November 12, 2024, 06:29:01 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on November 12, 2024, 05:15:05 PMQuote from: dec on November 12, 2024, 05:04:39 PMQuote from: tiempo on November 12, 2024, 03:27:13 PMEC v CE is being played in Newry and I agree it could be a classic, 2 cracking teams, I fancy Errigal to edge it
Dungannon would be a much more sensible location, right between the two clubs.
Is Dungannon up to the correct standard? Edendork would be though, wouldn't it?
It can't be in Tyrone can it? Neutral?
Look where the Ulster Senior Club Camogie Final is at?
Loughgiel V Swatragh.
Venue is Beragh! :o
Probably had to be neutral, but yeah Dungannon makes more sense distance wise.
Ardboe?
Saturday 23rd November Athletic grounds Armagh
Intermediate semi final
Arva v Magheracloone 4pm
Senior semi final
Kilcoo v Erne Gaels/Scotstown 6pm
Sunday 24th November Pairc Esler Newry
Intermediate semi final
Ballinderry v Derrylaughan 1.15pm
Senior semi final
Clann Eireann v Errigal Ciaran 3.15pm
Quote from: Sheedy on November 12, 2024, 10:00:35 PMSaturday 23rd November Athletic grounds Armagh
Intermediate semi final
Arva v Magheracloone 4pm
Senior semi final
Kilcoo v Erne Gaels/Scotstown 6pm
Sunday 24th November Pairc Esler Newry
Intermediate semi final
Ballinderry v Derrylaughan 1.15pm
Senior semi final
Clann Eireann v Errigal Ciaran 3.15pm
Should of played the Derrylaughan match in Brocagh
Quote from: marty34 on November 12, 2024, 06:29:01 PMIt can't be in Tyrone can it? Neutral?
Silly rule, Errigal Ciaran wouldn't get much advantage from playing at a ground they play at a couple of times a year.
Quote from: dec on November 12, 2024, 10:38:33 PMQuote from: marty34 on November 12, 2024, 06:29:01 PMIt can't be in Tyrone can it? Neutral?
Silly rule, Errigal Ciaran wouldn't get much advantage from playing at a ground they play at a couple of times a year.
I'm sure if both clubs agreed it could be fixed in Tyrone. Not that big a deal though and I'm sure neither are too bothered about going to Newry.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 12, 2024, 10:40:35 PMQuote from: dec on November 12, 2024, 10:38:33 PMQuote from: marty34 on November 12, 2024, 06:29:01 PMIt can't be in Tyrone can it? Neutral?
Silly rule, Errigal Ciaran wouldn't get much advantage from playing at a ground they play at a couple of times a year.
I'm sure if both clubs agreed it could be fixed in Tyrone. Not that big a deal though and I'm sure neither are too bothered about going to Newry.
Ah, you know GAA clubs and people. All cloak and daggers.
Naming dummy teams and doing interviews without saying anything really and you think a club will give the opposition the benefit of having already playing in a venue.
It's a big deal.
Now in hurling, Carey Faughs of Antrim played a quarter-final recently V Éire Óg Carrickmore on the football pitch in Carrickmore and they'll play there again, on the same pitch, this week-end in the semi-final. This time V Castleblaney.
That's a definate advantage.
Mad stuff again.
Quote from: marty34 on November 12, 2024, 06:29:01 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on November 12, 2024, 05:15:05 PMQuote from: dec on November 12, 2024, 05:04:39 PMQuote from: tiempo on November 12, 2024, 03:27:13 PMEC v CE is being played in Newry and I agree it could be a classic, 2 cracking teams, I fancy Errigal to edge it
Dungannon would be a much more sensible location, right between the two clubs.
Is Dungannon up to the correct standard? Edendork would be though, wouldn't it?
It can't be in Tyrone can it? Neutral?
Look where the Ulster Senior Club Camogie Final is at?
Loughgiel V Swatragh.
Venue is Beragh! :o
Half of Pairc Esler is in Armagh though , so it's not technically neutral
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 13, 2024, 12:22:56 AMQuote from: marty34 on November 12, 2024, 06:29:01 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on November 12, 2024, 05:15:05 PMQuote from: dec on November 12, 2024, 05:04:39 PMQuote from: tiempo on November 12, 2024, 03:27:13 PMEC v CE is being played in Newry and I agree it could be a classic, 2 cracking teams, I fancy Errigal to edge it
Dungannon would be a much more sensible location, right between the two clubs.
Is Dungannon up to the correct standard? Edendork would be though, wouldn't it?
It can't be in Tyrone can it? Neutral?
Look where the Ulster Senior Club Camogie Final is at?
Loughgiel V Swatragh.
Venue is Beragh! :o
Half of Pairc Esler is in Armagh though , so it's not technically neutral
Pairc Esler has always been the home ground for Down Clann Eireann players will have little experience playing on the ground possibly a few school games and I know Tiernan Kelly played for Armagh minors back in the day there. The venue has absolutely no benefit to Clann Eireann over Errigal.
Quote from: statto on November 13, 2024, 06:40:44 AMQuote from: AustinPowers on November 13, 2024, 12:22:56 AMQuote from: marty34 on November 12, 2024, 06:29:01 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on November 12, 2024, 05:15:05 PMQuote from: dec on November 12, 2024, 05:04:39 PMQuote from: tiempo on November 12, 2024, 03:27:13 PMEC v CE is being played in Newry and I agree it could be a classic, 2 cracking teams, I fancy Errigal to edge it
Dungannon would be a much more sensible location, right between the two clubs.
Is Dungannon up to the correct standard? Edendork would be though, wouldn't it?
It can't be in Tyrone can it? Neutral?
Look where the Ulster Senior Club Camogie Final is at?
Loughgiel V Swatragh.
Venue is Beragh! :o
Half of Pairc Esler is in Armagh though , so it's not technically neutral
Pairc Esler has always been the home ground for Down Clann Eireann players will have little experience playing on the ground possibly a few school games and I know Tiernan Kelly played for Armagh minors back in the day there. The venue has absolutely no benefit to Clann Eireann over Errigal.
That's tongue in cheek to wind the Down ones up lol
Quote from: ClubScene13 on November 12, 2024, 03:19:12 PMQuote from: general_lee on November 10, 2024, 05:09:53 PMGood win for CE. Wasteful in front of the posts at times especially given their scoring exploits in the Armagh final but they physically dominated Newbridge. Turbo was kept quiet after giving an exhibition last day out but other men were there to step up.
Ref didn't let a lot go which is a shame. His brother got a bit of flak last year from CE for his performance in the Armagh semi final where he let absolutely everything go lol.
EC v CE should be a humdinger. Tyrone's biggest club v Armagh's biggest club - where is this likely to be?
Steady on, I don't even like Crossmaglen but that's an outrageous shout. Playing numbers irrelevant, there's GAA men in the south who are 50+ years of age and hadn't heard of Clann Eireann 5 years ago. I don't think that is hyperbole either - why would they have
Well I was talking membership wise.
Two big clubs (and that's just Errigal)
Quote from: Sheedy on November 12, 2024, 10:00:35 PMSaturday 23rd November Athletic grounds Armagh
Intermediate semi final
Arva v Magheracloone 4pm
Senior semi final
Kilcoo v Erne Gaels/Scotstown 6pm
Sunday 24th November Pairc Esler Newry
Intermediate semi final
Ballinderry v Derrylaughan 1.15pm
Senior semi final
Clann Eireann v Errigal Ciaran 3.15pm
If correct, two good pitches but 2 X Double headers at this time of year is asking for trouble.
Quote from: general_lee on November 13, 2024, 09:46:15 AMQuote from: ClubScene13 on November 12, 2024, 03:19:12 PMQuote from: general_lee on November 10, 2024, 05:09:53 PMGood win for CE. Wasteful in front of the posts at times especially given their scoring exploits in the Armagh final but they physically dominated Newbridge. Turbo was kept quiet after giving an exhibition last day out but other men were there to step up.
Ref didn't let a lot go which is a shame. His brother got a bit of flak last year from CE for his performance in the Armagh semi final where he let absolutely everything go lol.
EC v CE should be a humdinger. Tyrone's biggest club v Armagh's biggest club - where is this likely to be?
Steady on, I don't even like Crossmaglen but that's an outrageous shout. Playing numbers irrelevant, there's GAA men in the south who are 50+ years of age and hadn't heard of Clann Eireann 5 years ago. I don't think that is hyperbole either - why would they have
Well I was talking membership wise.
Two big clubs (and that's just Errigal)
Playing members wise Clann Eireann must be up there along with Cross and Killeavey.
In terms of history/tradition and being known around the country it's Cross by a millions miles obviously.
All games in Ulster have to be played at a designated county ground so the likes of Dungannon, irrespective of the convenience, would never be an option. Armagh could have an option if EC agreed, we played Scotstown there a few years back in the Ulster Semi.
Newry the logical option all being equal
Curious why the Eire Og Ulster hurling game was played in Carrickmore and not a designated county ground?
Not a fan of designated county ground, somewhere along the line venue size should come into play, better 5,000 in a 10,000 capacity venue than 5,000 in a 25,000 venue, also spread the love and the windfall to other areas, anyway, nothings for changing
Quote from: tiempo on November 13, 2024, 03:11:09 PMCurious why the Eire Og Ulster hurling game was played in Carrickmore and not a designated county ground?
Not a fan of designated county ground, somewhere along the line venue size should come into play, better 5,000 in a 10,000 capacity venue than 5,000 in a 25,000 venue, also spread the love and the windfall to other areas, anyway, nothings for changing
I think it only has to be senior level games. Not sure the rationale but likely to do with H&S and capacity.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 13, 2024, 01:26:51 PMAll games in Ulster have to be played at a designated county ground so the likes of Dungannon, irrespective of the convenience, would never be an option. Armagh could have an option if EC agreed, we played Scotstown there a few years back in the Ulster Semi.
Newry the logical option all being equal
Some fan you are .. was a final
Quote from: ElJeffe on November 13, 2024, 03:41:12 PMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 13, 2024, 01:26:51 PMAll games in Ulster have to be played at a designated county ground so the likes of Dungannon, irrespective of the convenience, would never be an option. Armagh could have an option if EC agreed, we played Scotstown there a few years back in the Ulster Semi.
Newry the logical option all being equal
Some fan you are .. was a final
Finals, semi finals ....all blur into one sometimes!
Quote from: tiempo on November 13, 2024, 03:11:09 PMCurious why the Eire Og Ulster hurling game was played in Carrickmore and not a designated county ground?
Not a fan of designated county ground, somewhere along the line venue size should come into play, better 5,000 in a 10,000 capacity venue than 5,000 in a 25,000 venue, also spread the love and the windfall to other areas, anyway, nothings for changing
It's strange that rural club grounds are deemed adequate to host group stage matches in their respective county's championship, yet bigger grounds in the same county aren't deemed adequate for an Ulster game .
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 13, 2024, 05:10:38 PMQuote from: tiempo on November 13, 2024, 03:11:09 PMCurious why the Eire Og Ulster hurling game was played in Carrickmore and not a designated county ground?
Not a fan of designated county ground, somewhere along the line venue size should come into play, better 5,000 in a 10,000 capacity venue than 5,000 in a 25,000 venue, also spread the love and the windfall to other areas, anyway, nothings for changing
It's strange that rural club grounds are deemed adequate to host group stage matches in their respective county's championship, yet bigger grounds in the same county aren't deemed adequate for an Ulster game .
At this stage the crowds are bigger, people from all over a county might go along and a few neutrals as well. There is a case though that floodlights are useful in November, it can be dark even in the middle of the day.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 13, 2024, 04:19:47 PMQuote from: ElJeffe on November 13, 2024, 03:41:12 PMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 13, 2024, 01:26:51 PMAll games in Ulster have to be played at a designated county ground so the likes of Dungannon, irrespective of the convenience, would never be an option. Armagh could have an option if EC agreed, we played Scotstown there a few years back in the Ulster Semi.
Newry the logical option all being equal
Some fan you are .. was a final
Finals, semi finals ....all blur into one sometimes!
I suppose it was that long ago ... busy on the field ... if only yous were vetting your members
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 13, 2024, 01:26:51 PMAll games in Ulster have to be played at a designated county ground so the likes of Dungannon, irrespective of the convenience, would never be an option. Armagh could have an option if EC agreed, we played Scotstown there a few years back in the Ulster Semi.
Newry the logical option all being equal
I'm almost certain there was a game in Carrickmore a couple of years ago. Like everything else, they can do what they want when it suits them.
Quote from: ElJeffe on November 13, 2024, 08:43:19 PMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 13, 2024, 04:19:47 PMQuote from: ElJeffe on November 13, 2024, 03:41:12 PMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 13, 2024, 01:26:51 PMAll games in Ulster have to be played at a designated county ground so the likes of Dungannon, irrespective of the convenience, would never be an option. Armagh could have an option if EC agreed, we played Scotstown there a few years back in the Ulster Semi.
Newry the logical option all being equal
Some fan you are .. was a final
Finals, semi finals ....all blur into one sometimes!
I suppose it was that long ago ... busy on the field ... if only yous were vetting your members
WTF..
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 13, 2024, 09:05:39 PMQuote from: ElJeffe on November 13, 2024, 08:43:19 PMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 13, 2024, 04:19:47 PMQuote from: ElJeffe on November 13, 2024, 03:41:12 PMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 13, 2024, 01:26:51 PMAll games in Ulster have to be played at a designated county ground so the likes of Dungannon, irrespective of the convenience, would never be an option. Armagh could have an option if EC agreed, we played Scotstown there a few years back in the Ulster Semi.
Newry the logical option all being equal
Some fan you are .. was a final
Finals, semi finals ....all blur into one sometimes!
I suppose it was that long ago ... busy on the field ... if only yous were vetting your members
WTF..
This has me confused also
New kid in town....whatever, no idea what he's on about. Strange post
Fair idea what he's referring to but Jesus Christ.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 13, 2024, 10:56:46 PMFair idea what he's referring to but Jesus Christ.
?? Whats this about
Not too hard to work out. Thinks he's a funny bastard.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on November 13, 2024, 08:53:28 PMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 13, 2024, 01:26:51 PMAll games in Ulster have to be played at a designated county ground so the likes of Dungannon, irrespective of the convenience, would never be an option. Armagh could have an option if EC agreed, we played Scotstown there a few years back in the Ulster Semi.
Newry the logical option all being equal
I'm almost certain there was a game in Carrickmore a couple of years ago. Like everything else, they can do what they want when it suits them.
A good few moons ago Coalisland were prevented playing their first round Ulster game on their home turf despite being a designated county ground that had held Tyrone games that year, while Cross got plenty of Ulster games on their home sod as a designated county ground at the same time
I'd prefer to see grounds of an appropriate size used in order to have the best atmosphere possible, Clones Omagh and other large stadiums for a few thousand people is a mood killer
I recall that when we played Burren on 1996 we had to do a serious amount of work to bring it up to the level to allow championship games to be played there, and we were a designated ground at the time. Simple things like having turnstiles installed were a prerequisite.
I agree that sometimes in big open grounds that crowds get lost. Still there are H&S requirements and also accountability matters, hence the turnstiles
I can recall in the 80s teams playing All Ireland club semi finals at home.
Can remember we played Ardboe in Tyrone somewhere, early 90's I think, wasn't Omagh but don't think it was a county ground, and yeah they beat us that day ;D, so not all bad these Tyrone teams in Ulster ;)
Quote from: snoopdog on November 14, 2024, 08:56:35 AMI can recall in the 80s teams playing All Ireland club semi finals at home.
Yeah, was at an ill tempered AI club semi-final in Ballinascreen, between Lavey and Skibbereen, and that was in '92.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 14, 2024, 08:58:50 AMCan remember we played Ardboe in Tyrone somewhere, early 90's I think, wasn't Omagh but don't think it was a county ground, and yeah they beat us that day ;D, so not all bad these Tyrone teams in Ulster ;)
Cookstown ?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 14, 2024, 08:58:50 AMCan remember we played Ardboe in Tyrone somewhere, early 90's I think, wasn't Omagh but don't think it was a county ground, and yeah they beat us that day ;D, so not all bad these Tyrone teams in Ulster ;)
Ardboe's only SFC win in 90's was 1998 and St John's beat them that year after a replay (the drawn game was in Pomeroy). Their last Tyrone win before that was 1987 and they played Enniskillen and Burren in Ulster. Was it a challenge or tournament game yous played them in?
Quote from: clarshack on November 14, 2024, 10:44:53 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 14, 2024, 08:58:50 AMCan remember we played Ardboe in Tyrone somewhere, early 90's I think, wasn't Omagh but don't think it was a county ground, and yeah they beat us that day ;D, so not all bad these Tyrone teams in Ulster ;)
Ardboe's only SFC win in 90's was 1998 and St John's beat them that year after a replay (the drawn game was in Pomeroy). Their last Tyrone win before that was 1987 and they played Enniskillen and Burren in Ulster. Was it a challenge or tournament game yous played them in?
Pretty sure MR2 is right on this
Don't know what year it was but Ardboe beat StGalls in ulster. Would guess Mid late 80's
I think it was in Cookstown but not 100% on that.
Quote from: Flanker on November 14, 2024, 12:32:28 PMQuote from: clarshack on November 14, 2024, 10:44:53 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 14, 2024, 08:58:50 AMCan remember we played Ardboe in Tyrone somewhere, early 90's I think, wasn't Omagh but don't think it was a county ground, and yeah they beat us that day ;D, so not all bad these Tyrone teams in Ulster ;)
Ardboe's only SFC win in 90's was 1998 and St John's beat them that year after a replay (the drawn game was in Pomeroy). Their last Tyrone win before that was 1987 and they played Enniskillen and Burren in Ulster. Was it a challenge or tournament game yous played them in?
Pretty sure MR2 is right on this
Don't know what year it was but Ardboe beat StGalls in ulster. Would guess Mid late 80's
I think it was in Cookstown but not 100% on that.
1984 the only other 80s Championship win for Ardboe. So could have been then - maybe the game would have taken place in early 1985 nut unsure
My mistake, it was 1987 played in Cookstown. Ardboe won 1-6 to 0-4.
Quote from: clarshack on November 14, 2024, 01:02:34 PMMy mistake, it was 1987 played in Cookstown. Ardboe won 1-6 to 0-4.
Was that when we played the good old gaa game with free flowing football in comparison to bad old gaa game of the last few years, where we have high scoring defensive and attacking football with GKs bringing anew dimension to the game? ;D
Quote from: clarshack on November 14, 2024, 01:02:34 PMMy mistake, it was 1987 played in Cookstown. Ardboe won 1-6 to 0-4.
Was it Cookstown.. ok.. remember the place was packed out, think we'd a man sent off, the ref rode us ;)
Just looking at image of it, the pitch has been developed since then.
Quote from: Rawhide on November 14, 2024, 01:20:31 PMQuote from: clarshack on November 14, 2024, 01:02:34 PMMy mistake, it was 1987 played in Cookstown. Ardboe won 1-6 to 0-4.
Was that when we played the good old gaa game with free flowing football in comparison to bad old gaa game of the last few years, where we have high scoring defensive and attacking football with GKs bringing anew dimension to the game? ;D
;D was thinking the same!
Quote from: Rawhide on November 14, 2024, 01:20:31 PMQuote from: clarshack on November 14, 2024, 01:02:34 PMMy mistake, it was 1987 played in Cookstown. Ardboe won 1-6 to 0-4.
Was that when we played the good old gaa game with free flowing football in comparison to bad old gaa game of the last few years, where we have high scoring defensive and attacking football with GKs bringing anew dimension to the game? ;D
Come on now, at least they kicked the ball. They were probably kicking the ball away 90% of the time into the 5'8 corner forward up against the 6'2 corner back but sure that's entertaining...apparently
Wonderful when those defending the (mostly) dirge we watch now refer back to the 1980s when the best era was 2000-2010. No-one yearns for 1980s football which was often poor but actually better than now... zzz
Quote from: gallsman on November 14, 2024, 08:33:16 AMNot too hard to work out. Thinks he's a funny bastard.
I'm not wrong though..
Quote from: Truthsayer on November 14, 2024, 02:25:22 PMWonderful when those defending the (mostly) dirge we watch now refer back to the 1980s when the best era was 2000-2010. No-one yearns for 1980s football which was often poor but actually better than now... zzz
The buzz was good though, the quality might not have been as good, we won a championship 5-4 but there was no tactics of players behind the ball, counter attacking football or come to think of it, not much tactics were brought in those days. Just a war of attrition on and off the ball. That how we lost a player that day in Cookstown, retaliated in front of a match official, red card
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 14, 2024, 03:22:59 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on November 14, 2024, 02:25:22 PMWonderful when those defending the (mostly) dirge we watch now refer back to the 1980s when the best era was 2000-2010. No-one yearns for 1980s football which was often poor but actually better than now... zzz
The buzz was good though, the quality might not have been as good, we won a championship 5-4 but there was no tactics of players behind the ball, counter attacking football or come to think of it, not much tactics were brought in those days. Just a war of attrition on and off the ball. That how we lost a player that day in Cookstown, retaliated in front of a match official, red card
Comparing low scoring games of years gone by to similar score games now is definitely a mistake. The real problem with modern day football is that there is much less duels for possession and incidents of contact, ie someone tackling the man in possession, than there was even 10 years ago. Its lost all the natural flow that games once had regardless of quality. Too much dead time were teams ponder and probe what their next attack might be don't make for a great spectator experience, were you could go a few mins without any meaningful contest or duel for the ball.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 14, 2024, 01:22:48 PMQuote from: clarshack on November 14, 2024, 01:02:34 PMMy mistake, it was 1987 played in Cookstown. Ardboe won 1-6 to 0-4.
Was it Cookstown.. ok.. remember the place was packed out, think we'd a man sent off, the ref rode us ;)
Just looking at image of it, the pitch has been developed since then.
Think it was an all out killing session?
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on November 14, 2024, 03:34:50 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 14, 2024, 01:22:48 PMQuote from: clarshack on November 14, 2024, 01:02:34 PMMy mistake, it was 1987 played in Cookstown. Ardboe won 1-6 to 0-4.
Was it Cookstown.. ok.. remember the place was packed out, think we'd a man sent off, the ref rode us ;)
Just looking at image of it, the pitch has been developed since then.
Think it was an all out killing session?
Those days ya just got hit, and if you were not manly enough you were in trouble. I got a black eye in my first (and only year) at senior football, and that was just walking onto the pitch before the game had started!
Francie Bellew on Mickey Linden springs to mind
Quote from: tiempo on November 14, 2024, 04:13:23 PMFrancie Bellew on Mickey Linden springs to mind
Some hit. Woeful pass from your man to Linden.
Is this county ground rule just an ulster thing ?
Cause when you watch tg4 on a Monday, there's games, especially in munster, which look just like a field.
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on November 14, 2024, 08:05:19 PMIs this county ground rule just an ulster thing ?
Cause when you watch tg4 on a Monday, there's games, especially in munster, which look just like a field.
It's not a rule. They do what they want.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/1204/1264798-derrygonnelly-see-off-dromore-after-extra-time/
Quote from: HiMucker on November 14, 2024, 03:34:21 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 14, 2024, 03:22:59 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on November 14, 2024, 02:25:22 PMWonderful when those defending the (mostly) dirge we watch now refer back to the 1980s when the best era was 2000-2010. No-one yearns for 1980s football which was often poor but actually better than now... zzz
The buzz was good though, the quality might not have been as good, we won a championship 5-4 but there was no tactics of players behind the ball, counter attacking football or come to think of it, not much tactics were brought in those days. Just a war of attrition on and off the ball. That how we lost a player that day in Cookstown, retaliated in front of a match official, red card
Comparing low scoring games of years gone by to similar score games now is definitely a mistake. The real problem with modern day football is that there is much less duels for possession and incidents of contact, ie someone tackling the man in possession, than there was even 10 years ago. Its lost all the natural flow that games once had regardless of quality. Too much dead time were teams ponder and probe what their next attack might be don't make for a great spectator experience, were you could go a few mins without any meaningful contest or duel for the ball.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 14, 2024, 05:35:57 PMQuote from: tiempo on November 14, 2024, 04:13:23 PMFrancie Bellew on Mickey Linden springs to mind
Some hit. Woeful pass from your man to Linden.
It was a horrendous "tackle" blindsided him and impacted mostly with his face.
Quote from: Estimator on November 14, 2024, 10:03:49 AMQuote from: snoopdog on November 14, 2024, 08:56:35 AMI can recall in the 80s teams playing All Ireland club semi finals at home.
Yeah, was at an ill tempered AI club semi-final in Ballinascreen, between Lavey and Skibbereen, and that was in '92.
I remember that, iirc lavey had played the London club tirconnail Gaels in the quarter final at ballinascreen the same year, incidentally I think wee James was playing for the Londoners that day - it was another tempestuous affair, with Lavey squeezing through.
Pretty sure Lavey played Thomas Davis in Celtic park in the semi-final the year before too.
Quote from: onefineday on November 15, 2024, 12:52:37 AMQuote from: Estimator on November 14, 2024, 10:03:49 AMQuote from: snoopdog on November 14, 2024, 08:56:35 AMI can recall in the 80s teams playing All Ireland club semi finals at home.
Yeah, was at an ill tempered AI club semi-final in Ballinascreen, between Lavey and Skibbereen, and that was in '92.
I remember that, iirc lavey had played the London club tirconnail Gaels in the quarter final at ballinascreen the same year, incidentally I think wee James was playing for the Londoners that day - it was another tempestuous affair, with Lavey squeezing through.
Pretty sure Lavey played Thomas Davis in Celtic park in the semi-final the year before too.
tir conaill gaels was the game before thomas davis in the same 90/91 season
Quote from: onefineday on November 15, 2024, 12:52:37 AMQuote from: Estimator on November 14, 2024, 10:03:49 AMQuote from: snoopdog on November 14, 2024, 08:56:35 AMI can recall in the 80s teams playing All Ireland club semi finals at home.
Yeah, was at an ill tempered AI club semi-final in Ballinascreen, between Lavey and Skibbereen, and that was in '92.
I remember that, iirc lavey had played the London club tirconnail Gaels in the quarter final at ballinascreen the same year, incidentally I think wee James was playing for the Londoners that day - it was another tempestuous affair, with Lavey squeezing through.
Pretty sure Lavey played Thomas Davis in Celtic park in the semi-final the year before too.
Anyt
Quote from: onefineday on November 15, 2024, 12:52:37 AMQuote from: Estimator on November 14, 2024, 10:03:49 AMQuote from: snoopdog on November 14, 2024, 08:56:35 AMI can recall in the 80s teams playing All Ireland club semi finals at home.
Yeah, was at an ill tempered AI club semi-final in Ballinascreen, between Lavey and Skibbereen, and that was in '92.
I remember that, iirc lavey had played the London club tirconnail Gaels in the quarter final at ballinascreen the same year, incidentally I think wee James was playing for the Londoners that day - it was another tempestuous affair, with Lavey squeezing through.
Pretty sure Lavey played Thomas Davis in Celtic park in the semi-final the year before too.
That was a hell of a game against Tir Connwl James Mccartans , Mattie Mcgleenan were playing for them that day
https://youtu.be/-hXMGjgWMVs?t=273
https://youtu.be/KNEL3I6rfBk?t=9
Quote from: tiempo on November 15, 2024, 08:18:42 AMhttps://youtu.be/-hXMGjgWMVs?t=273
https://youtu.be/KNEL3I6rfBk?t=9
You're surely not trying to suggest those two are equivalent tackles?
Besides, someone could stamp on Brannigan's balls while he was lying prone on the ground and it still shouldn't be a free.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on November 14, 2024, 08:38:15 PMQuote from: Hoof Hearted on November 14, 2024, 08:05:19 PMIs this county ground rule just an ulster thing ?
Cause when you watch tg4 on a Monday, there's games, especially in munster, which look just like a field.
It's not a rule. They do what they want.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/1204/1264798-derrygonnelly-see-off-dromore-after-extra-time/
Is Carrickmore a designated county ground?
Quote from: gallsman on November 15, 2024, 08:45:59 AMQuote from: tiempo on November 15, 2024, 08:18:42 AMhttps://youtu.be/-hXMGjgWMVs?t=273
https://youtu.be/KNEL3I6rfBk?t=9
You're surely not trying to suggest those two are equivalent tackles?
Besides, someone could stamp on Brannigan's balls while he was lying prone on the ground and it still shouldn't be a free.
I didn't suggest anything, but they're highly similar thats for sure, the hail mary pass leading in is a portion of the reason
Francie obviously gets a free pass as the quiet man and told Tommy Nibs he didn't mean it
Darren Hughes gets a free pass as the quiet man and yer other fella was wearing tights
Ulster Club SFC is definitely the best/most competitive/most entertaining provincial club SFC thats for sure
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on November 15, 2024, 08:07:58 AMQuote from: onefineday on November 15, 2024, 12:52:37 AMQuote from: Estimator on November 14, 2024, 10:03:49 AMQuote from: snoopdog on November 14, 2024, 08:56:35 AMI can recall in the 80s teams playing All Ireland club semi finals at home.
Yeah, was at an ill tempered AI club semi-final in Ballinascreen, between Lavey and Skibbereen, and that was in '92.
I remember that, iirc lavey had played the London club tirconnail Gaels in the quarter final at ballinascreen the same year, incidentally I think wee James was playing for the Londoners that day - it was another tempestuous affair, with Lavey squeezing through.
Pretty sure Lavey played Thomas Davis in Celtic park in the semi-final the year before too.
AnytQuote from: onefineday on November 15, 2024, 12:52:37 AMQuote from: Estimator on November 14, 2024, 10:03:49 AMQuote from: snoopdog on November 14, 2024, 08:56:35 AMI can recall in the 80s teams playing All Ireland club semi finals at home.
Yeah, was at an ill tempered AI club semi-final in Ballinascreen, between Lavey and Skibbereen, and that was in '92.
I remember that, iirc lavey had played the London club tirconnail Gaels in the quarter final at ballinascreen the same year, incidentally I think wee James was playing for the Londoners that day - it was another tempestuous affair, with Lavey squeezing through.
Pretty sure Lavey played Thomas Davis in Celtic park in the semi-final the year before too.
That was a hell of a game against Tir Connwl James Mccartans , Mattie Mcgleenan were playing for them that day
timmy connolly aswell from Ballymena, great player
Needed a late anthony Mcgurk goal to get them through.
Hughes hit Brannigan a shoulder, side to side. No controversy about it whatsoever.
Francie hit Linden a shoulder straight on into his face.
Stop trying to be a funny bollocks.
Quote from: gallsman on November 15, 2024, 11:00:59 AMHughes hit Brannigan a shoulder, side to side. No controversy about it whatsoever.
Francie hit Linden a shoulder straight on into his face.
Stop trying to be a funny bollocks.
Mickey should've worn tights
So good you said it twice! Muppet.
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on November 15, 2024, 10:02:38 AMI remember that, iirc lavey had played the London club tirconnail Gaels in the quarter final at ballinascreen the same year, incidentally I think wee James was playing for the Londoners that day - it was another tempestuous affair, with Lavey squeezing through.
Pretty sure Lavey played Thomas Davis in Celtic park in the semi-final the year before too.
That was a hell of a game against Tir Connwl James Mccartans , Mattie Mcgleenan were playing for them that day
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timmy connolly aswell from Ballymena, great player
Needed a late anthony Mcgurk goal to get them through.
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Aye, it's sorta coming back to me now, Anthony (Derry's first all-star?) was sub and came on to save the day.
Thinking back on those games, we'd have had some laugh if someone had painted a picture to us of what the first 50 mins of most top level football is nowadays - slow methodical, no risk, no contact, probing, crowd on their phones looking up occasionally.....
Christ I've got old!!!
Lack of experience dripping of Belleek, but Scotstown not messing about.
Scotstown like a side that mean business
For anyone that's watching it ... they are laying down a marker! No messing about
Quote from: ElJeffe on November 16, 2024, 05:35:49 PMFor anyone that's watching it ... they are laying down a marker! No messing about
Scotstown looking very formidable thos year.
The lads on Ulster GAA tv are an absolute joke ... no knowledge .. no research
Quote from: ElJeffe on November 16, 2024, 06:14:32 PMThe lads on Ulster GAA tv are an absolute joke ... no knowledge .. no research
Yeah they said Erne Gaels are a team that like to play football.
And them one the most defensive teams in the country.
How much different would Erne Gaels team be now to 2021? IIRC Moortown gave them a bit of beating by 10 points in the Ulster Intermediate then.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on November 16, 2024, 06:41:28 PMQuote from: ElJeffe on November 16, 2024, 06:14:32 PMThe lads on Ulster GAA tv are an absolute joke ... no knowledge .. no research
Yeah they said Erne Gaels are a team that like to play football.
And them one the most defensive teams in the country.
Took them to 41 minutes to realise Hughes went off at HT.
Said before the game D Hughes won't play FF.
Bottom of the barrel lazyness
Quote from: general_lee on November 15, 2024, 09:14:23 AMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on November 14, 2024, 08:38:15 PMQuote from: Hoof Hearted on November 14, 2024, 08:05:19 PMIs this county ground rule just an ulster thing ?
Cause when you watch tg4 on a Monday, there's games, especially in munster, which look just like a field.
It's not a rule. They do what they want.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/1204/1264798-derrygonnelly-see-off-dromore-after-extra-time/
Is Carrickmore a designated county ground?
How many designated county grounds can a county have out of interest? I can remember in recent years Tyrone playing in edendork and Coalisland in the McKenna cup and league. I'm near sure they played in pomeroy a good number of years ago as well.
In most cases there are two and sometimes 3 designated County grounds but the reality is you can have as many as you want as long as they meet the criteria and have the H&S certificates to hold the expected crowds. Obviously there is a cost to have these grounds up to that standard hence why there are usually 2-3.
In Armagh the AG is the main ground with David Park and Crossmaglen the other two designated grounds, Davitt Park and Crossmaglen could only host games with limited crowds for obvious reasons eg (H&S) and the Safety cert issued by the Council will only be for a limited number of patrons based on a number of factors like turnstiles, seating, embankments, egress/access all that and throw in walking space. There are so many factors to consider, at times the council will offer a larger capacity if there are improvements made prior to the game.
Errigal and Clan Eireann on TG4 next Sunday.
This championship is now very hard to call but of what I have seen to date this year I wud say the favourites are in the following order:
Errigal Ciaran
Clann Eireann
Scotstown
Kilcoo
You could still make a case for each team to win it though....
Scotstown are in he now or never bracket now, they have the personnel to do really well but have come up short every time.
I think they are the best value from the 4 left
Odds with Paddy Power to win the Ulster title.
Scotstown 15/8
Kilcoo 2/1
Errigal Ciaran 11/4
Clann Eireann 9/2
Last Monaghan winner was Castleblayney Faughs in 1991
Last Down winner was Kilcoo in 2021
Last Tyrone winner was Errigal Ciaran in 2002
Last Armagh winner was Crossmaglen Rangers in 2015
Quote from: Blowitupref on November 17, 2024, 08:03:49 PMOdds with Paddy Power to win the Ulster title.
Scotstown 15/8
Kilcoo 2/1
Errigal Ciaran 11/4
Clann Eireann 9/2
Last Monaghan winner was Castleblayney Faughs in 1991
Last Down winner was Kilcoo in 2021
Last Tyrone winner was Errigal Ciaran in 2002
Last Armagh winner was Crossmaglen Rangers in 2015
As open a Ulster championship in a long time all 4 will fancy the job.
Lesser tourno this year with no Derry team in latter stages but may the best team win
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on November 17, 2024, 09:27:30 PMLesser tourno this year with no Derry team in latter stages but may the best team win
Last 4 is stronger this year with Derry team gone.
Clann Eireann ladies won Ulster today. Has a double ever been done?
CE will beat EC
KC will beat ST
KC will beat CE.
Quote from: Rois on November 17, 2024, 10:23:33 PMClann Eireann ladies won Ulster today. Has a double ever been done?
Slaughtneil did the treble, hurling football and camogs
Quote from: clarshack on November 17, 2024, 09:59:17 PMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on November 17, 2024, 09:27:30 PMLesser tourno this year with no Derry team in latter stages but may the best team win
Last 4 is stronger this year with Derry team gone.
Thought I would've reeled more in with this. I'm not v good at this 😆 nite all
Quote from: ONeill on November 17, 2024, 10:39:47 PMCE will beat EC
KC will beat ST
KC will beat CE.
CE v Errigal was very much a 50/50 game for me but the 5 lads being away in Miami to me has tipped the scales in favour of Errigal. Kilcoo will be looking to put right the defeat to Scotstown last year really a toss of a coin that one.
Quote from: statto on November 18, 2024, 08:29:45 AMQuote from: ONeill on November 17, 2024, 10:39:47 PMCE will beat EC
KC will beat ST
KC will beat CE.
CE v Errigal was very much a 50/50 game for me but the 5 lads being away in Miami to me has tipped the scales in favour of Errigal. Kilcoo will be looking to put right the defeat to Scotstown last year really a toss of a coin that one.
Irrelevant. Still toss of a coin.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 18, 2024, 08:42:36 AMQuote from: statto on November 18, 2024, 08:29:45 AMQuote from: ONeill on November 17, 2024, 10:39:47 PMCE will beat EC
KC will beat ST
KC will beat CE.
CE v Errigal was very much a 50/50 game for me but the 5 lads being away in Miami to me has tipped the scales in favour of Errigal. Kilcoo will be looking to put right the defeat to Scotstown last year really a toss of a coin that one.
Irrelevant. Still toss of a coin.
It's a distraction CE could have done without. Partying for a week, poor sleep, poor nutrition, focus elsewhere, jet lag I think it is relevant. Who will be better prepared for the match Errigals top 5 players or Clann Eireanns? I still think it will be close and would have fancied CE to edge it if the game was next week, in these games small margins can be decisive.
Saw them in a photo and was a bit surprised myself. They'll hardly be on the lash but still not great prep. Home yesterday?
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 17, 2024, 11:50:38 PMQuote from: Rois on November 17, 2024, 10:23:33 PMClann Eireann ladies won Ulster today. Has a double ever been done?
Slaughtneil did the treble, hurling football and camogs
Hurling is easy though. If you're unlucky you might have to play a semifinal.
They'll be looking after themselves and get a couple of training sessions in. Not ideal obviously but they were never going to miss a holiday like that.
Quote from: statto on November 18, 2024, 08:49:33 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 18, 2024, 08:42:36 AMQuote from: statto on November 18, 2024, 08:29:45 AMQuote from: ONeill on November 17, 2024, 10:39:47 PMCE will beat EC
KC will beat ST
KC will beat CE.
CE v Errigal was very much a 50/50 game for me but the 5 lads being away in Miami to me has tipped the scales in favour of Errigal. Kilcoo will be looking to put right the defeat to Scotstown last year really a toss of a coin that one.
Irrelevant. Still toss of a coin.
It's a distraction CE could have done without. Partying for a week, poor sleep, poor nutrition, focus elsewhere, jet lag I think it is relevant. Who will be better prepared for the match Errigals top 5 players or Clann Eireanns? I still think it will be close and would have fancied CE to edge it if the game was next week, in these games small margins can be decisive.
I agree it's fine margins at this level and even something as minor as being away from the rest of your club mates for a week's training ahead of an Ulster semifinal is far from helpful.
One or two players is manageable but a third of the starting team... I'm sure it's difficult to adjust training when 5 of your big hitters are away on a jolly. You'd imagine whatever prep work for EC the management had planned for training was basically redundant until they came back.
I think this swings things ever so slightly in EC's favour.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 18, 2024, 09:50:30 AMThey'll be looking after themselves and get a couple of training sessions in. Not ideal obviously but they were never going to miss a holiday like that.
I remember back in the noughties when Tyrone had a good few trips away after winning AI that there was a cash equivalent on offer for anyone who didn't go. I Know some availed of it due to club commitments. Not saying that's the right thing but wondering is it an option? I say this from a perspective that football has gotten too serious and players should enjoy themselves more so fair play to them for going.
Quote from: WT4E on November 18, 2024, 09:59:10 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 18, 2024, 09:50:30 AMThey'll be looking after themselves and get a couple of training sessions in. Not ideal obviously but they were never going to miss a holiday like that.
I remember back in the noughties when Tyrone had a good few trips away after winning AI that there was a cash equivalent on offer for anyone who didn't go. I Know some availed of it due to club commitments. Not saying that's the right thing but wondering is it an option? I say this from a perspective that football has gotten too serious and players should enjoy themselves more so fair play to them for going.
as a CE man id rather they didnt go but at the same time I dont begrudge them. If that makes sesne
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 18, 2024, 10:50:34 AMQuote from: WT4E on November 18, 2024, 09:59:10 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 18, 2024, 09:50:30 AMThey'll be looking after themselves and get a couple of training sessions in. Not ideal obviously but they were never going to miss a holiday like that.
I remember back in the noughties when Tyrone had a good few trips away after winning AI that there was a cash equivalent on offer for anyone who didn't go. I Know some availed of it due to club commitments. Not saying that's the right thing but wondering is it an option? I say this from a perspective that football has gotten too serious and players should enjoy themselves more so fair play to them for going.
as a CE man id rather they didnt go but at the same time I dont begrudge them. If that makes sesne
Could they have went after their involvement? Not that i'd be against what they did, but 5 lads going from the one club would have been decent craic anyways without the rest at a later time
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 18, 2024, 10:50:34 AMQuote from: WT4E on November 18, 2024, 09:59:10 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 18, 2024, 09:50:30 AMThey'll be looking after themselves and get a couple of training sessions in. Not ideal obviously but they were never going to miss a holiday like that.
I remember back in the noughties when Tyrone had a good few trips away after winning AI that there was a cash equivalent on offer for anyone who didn't go. I Know some availed of it due to club commitments. Not saying that's the right thing but wondering is it an option? I say this from a perspective that football has gotten too serious and players should enjoy themselves more so fair play to them for going.
as a CE man id rather they didnt go but at the same time I dont begrudge them. If that makes sesne
Does surely. Hampers preparation of course, but you know these lads will be fully focused on the day. It would have been a shame for them to lose out. I'm glad they were able to make it work.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 18, 2024, 11:58:55 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on November 18, 2024, 10:50:34 AMQuote from: WT4E on November 18, 2024, 09:59:10 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 18, 2024, 09:50:30 AMThey'll be looking after themselves and get a couple of training sessions in. Not ideal obviously but they were never going to miss a holiday like that.
I remember back in the noughties when Tyrone had a good few trips away after winning AI that there was a cash equivalent on offer for anyone who didn't go. I Know some availed of it due to club commitments. Not saying that's the right thing but wondering is it an option? I say this from a perspective that football has gotten too serious and players should enjoy themselves more so fair play to them for going.
as a CE man id rather they didnt go but at the same time I dont begrudge them. If that makes sesne
Could they have went after their involvement? Not that i'd be against what they did, but 5 lads going from the one club would have been decent craic anyways without the rest at a later time
no idea. I dont think Andy Murnin went at all
Quote from: lurganblue on November 18, 2024, 12:22:01 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on November 18, 2024, 10:50:34 AMQuote from: WT4E on November 18, 2024, 09:59:10 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 18, 2024, 09:50:30 AMThey'll be looking after themselves and get a couple of training sessions in. Not ideal obviously but they were never going to miss a holiday like that.
I remember back in the noughties when Tyrone had a good few trips away after winning AI that there was a cash equivalent on offer for anyone who didn't go. I Know some availed of it due to club commitments. Not saying that's the right thing but wondering is it an option? I say this from a perspective that football has gotten too serious and players should enjoy themselves more so fair play to them for going.
as a CE man id rather they didnt go but at the same time I dont begrudge them. If that makes sesne
Does surely. Hampers preparation of course, but you know these lads will be fully focused on the day. It would have been a shame for them to lose out. I'm glad they were able to make it work.
hard to prep with a third of the team missing
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 18, 2024, 12:37:48 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 18, 2024, 11:58:55 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on November 18, 2024, 10:50:34 AMQuote from: WT4E on November 18, 2024, 09:59:10 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 18, 2024, 09:50:30 AMThey'll be looking after themselves and get a couple of training sessions in. Not ideal obviously but they were never going to miss a holiday like that.
I remember back in the noughties when Tyrone had a good few trips away after winning AI that there was a cash equivalent on offer for anyone who didn't go. I Know some availed of it due to club commitments. Not saying that's the right thing but wondering is it an option? I say this from a perspective that football has gotten too serious and players should enjoy themselves more so fair play to them for going.
as a CE man id rather they didnt go but at the same time I dont begrudge them. If that makes sesne
Could they have went after their involvement? Not that i'd be against what they did, but 5 lads going from the one club would have been decent craic anyways without the rest at a later time
no idea. I dont think Andy Murnin went at all
Heard that was not through want of going, but you know what Lurgan is like for rumours. Unfortunate for the lad, if true.
Quote from: lurganblue on November 18, 2024, 12:50:54 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on November 18, 2024, 12:37:48 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 18, 2024, 11:58:55 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on November 18, 2024, 10:50:34 AMQuote from: WT4E on November 18, 2024, 09:59:10 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 18, 2024, 09:50:30 AMThey'll be looking after themselves and get a couple of training sessions in. Not ideal obviously but they were never going to miss a holiday like that.
I remember back in the noughties when Tyrone had a good few trips away after winning AI that there was a cash equivalent on offer for anyone who didn't go. I Know some availed of it due to club commitments. Not saying that's the right thing but wondering is it an option? I say this from a perspective that football has gotten too serious and players should enjoy themselves more so fair play to them for going.
as a CE man id rather they didnt go but at the same time I dont begrudge them. If that makes sesne
Could they have went after their involvement? Not that i'd be against what they did, but 5 lads going from the one club would have been decent craic anyways without the rest at a later time
no idea. I dont think Andy Murnin went at all
Heard that was not through want of going, but you know what Lurgan is like for rumours. Unfortunate for the lad, if true.
aye, 2 rumours for every story ffs. Definitely unfortunate for him
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 18, 2024, 02:31:13 PMQuote from: lurganblue on November 18, 2024, 12:50:54 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on November 18, 2024, 12:37:48 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 18, 2024, 11:58:55 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on November 18, 2024, 10:50:34 AMQuote from: WT4E on November 18, 2024, 09:59:10 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 18, 2024, 09:50:30 AMThey'll be looking after themselves and get a couple of training sessions in. Not ideal obviously but they were never going to miss a holiday like that.
I remember back in the noughties when Tyrone had a good few trips away after winning AI that there was a cash equivalent on offer for anyone who didn't go. I Know some availed of it due to club commitments. Not saying that's the right thing but wondering is it an option? I say this from a perspective that football has gotten too serious and players should enjoy themselves more so fair play to them for going.
as a CE man id rather they didnt go but at the same time I dont begrudge them. If that makes sesne
Could they have went after their involvement? Not that i'd be against what they did, but 5 lads going from the one club would have been decent craic anyways without the rest at a later time
no idea. I dont think Andy Murnin went at all
Heard that was not through want of going, but you know what Lurgan is like for rumours. Unfortunate for the lad, if true.
aye, 2 rumours for every story ffs. Definitely unfortunate for him
Yeah i heard the cub didn't make it thru border control. I'm sure Armagh will give him an alternative.
If the 5 players were back yesterday then they've all week to prepare and get any crap outta their systems. Be grand hi.
You cant begrudge them their holidays and always put yourself in their shoes to which very few would turn that down, it's the same scenario when guys go to Australia/America or when County players can't play for their clubs there is always someone to ridicule them.
Quote from: illdecide on November 18, 2024, 07:46:17 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on November 18, 2024, 02:31:13 PMQuote from: lurganblue on November 18, 2024, 12:50:54 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on November 18, 2024, 12:37:48 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 18, 2024, 11:58:55 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on November 18, 2024, 10:50:34 AMQuote from: WT4E on November 18, 2024, 09:59:10 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 18, 2024, 09:50:30 AMThey'll be looking after themselves and get a couple of training sessions in. Not ideal obviously but they were never going to miss a holiday like that.
I remember back in the noughties when Tyrone had a good few trips away after winning AI that there was a cash equivalent on offer for anyone who didn't go. I Know some availed of it due to club commitments. Not saying that's the right thing but wondering is it an option? I say this from a perspective that football has gotten too serious and players should enjoy themselves more so fair play to them for going.
as a CE man id rather they didnt go but at the same time I dont begrudge them. If that makes sesne
Could they have went after their involvement? Not that i'd be against what they did, but 5 lads going from the one club would have been decent craic anyways without the rest at a later time
no idea. I dont think Andy Murnin went at all
Heard that was not through want of going, but you know what Lurgan is like for rumours. Unfortunate for the lad, if true.
aye, 2 rumours for every story ffs. Definitely unfortunate for him
Yeah i heard the cub didn't make it thru border control. I'm sure Armagh will give him an alternative.
If the 5 players were back yesterday then they've all week to prepare and get any crap outta their systems. Be grand hi.
You cant begrudge them their holidays and always put yourself in their shoes to which very few would turn that down, it's the same scenario when guys go to Australia/America or when County players can't play for their clubs there is always someone to ridicule them.
What happened ? Has he a prior conviction ?
Quote from: ElJeffe on November 18, 2024, 09:09:54 PMQuote from: illdecide on November 18, 2024, 07:46:17 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on November 18, 2024, 02:31:13 PMQuote from: lurganblue on November 18, 2024, 12:50:54 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on November 18, 2024, 12:37:48 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 18, 2024, 11:58:55 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on November 18, 2024, 10:50:34 AMQuote from: WT4E on November 18, 2024, 09:59:10 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 18, 2024, 09:50:30 AMThey'll be looking after themselves and get a couple of training sessions in. Not ideal obviously but they were never going to miss a holiday like that.
I remember back in the noughties when Tyrone had a good few trips away after winning AI that there was a cash equivalent on offer for anyone who didn't go. I Know some availed of it due to club commitments. Not saying that's the right thing but wondering is it an option? I say this from a perspective that football has gotten too serious and players should enjoy themselves more so fair play to them for going.
as a CE man id rather they didnt go but at the same time I dont begrudge them. If that makes sesne
Could they have went after their involvement? Not that i'd be against what they did, but 5 lads going from the one club would have been decent craic anyways without the rest at a later time
no idea. I dont think Andy Murnin went at all
Heard that was not through want of going, but you know what Lurgan is like for rumours. Unfortunate for the lad, if true.
aye, 2 rumours for every story ffs. Definitely unfortunate for him
Yeah i heard the cub didn't make it thru border control. I'm sure Armagh will give him an alternative.
If the 5 players were back yesterday then they've all week to prepare and get any crap outta their systems. Be grand hi.
You cant begrudge them their holidays and always put yourself in their shoes to which very few would turn that down, it's the same scenario when guys go to Australia/America or when County players can't play for their clubs there is always someone to ridicule them.
What happened ? Has he a prior conviction ?
Probably not something to be speculating about on here tbh..
Tbh I heard he was in Dubai lol
Some people can occur a no entry if they over stayed a visa for instance.
You'd have thought Whitey could have pulled a few strings...
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 18, 2024, 09:17:43 PMQuote from: ElJeffe on November 18, 2024, 09:09:54 PMQuote from: illdecide on November 18, 2024, 07:46:17 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on November 18, 2024, 02:31:13 PMQuote from: lurganblue on November 18, 2024, 12:50:54 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on November 18, 2024, 12:37:48 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 18, 2024, 11:58:55 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on November 18, 2024, 10:50:34 AMQuote from: WT4E on November 18, 2024, 09:59:10 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 18, 2024, 09:50:30 AMThey'll be looking after themselves and get a couple of training sessions in. Not ideal obviously but they were never going to miss a holiday like that.
I remember back in the noughties when Tyrone had a good few trips away after winning AI that there was a cash equivalent on offer for anyone who didn't go. I Know some availed of it due to club commitments. Not saying that's the right thing but wondering is it an option? I say this from a perspective that football has gotten too serious and players should enjoy themselves more so fair play to them for going.
as a CE man id rather they didnt go but at the same time I dont begrudge them. If that makes sesne
Could they have went after their involvement? Not that i'd be against what they did, but 5 lads going from the one club would have been decent craic anyways without the rest at a later time
no idea. I dont think Andy Murnin went at all
Heard that was not through want of going, but you know what Lurgan is like for rumours. Unfortunate for the lad, if true.
aye, 2 rumours for every story ffs. Definitely unfortunate for him
Yeah i heard the cub didn't make it thru border control. I'm sure Armagh will give him an alternative.
If the 5 players were back yesterday then they've all week to prepare and get any crap outta their systems. Be grand hi.
You cant begrudge them their holidays and always put yourself in their shoes to which very few would turn that down, it's the same scenario when guys go to Australia/America or when County players can't play for their clubs there is always someone to ridicule them.
What happened ? Has he a prior conviction ?
Probably not something to be speculating about on here tbh..
Jesus Christ lad ... it's not an ongoing criminal trial .. wise up
If it's true it'll e for not filling in his visa form correctly o something innocent like that
Well, the rumour is that it's not him, it's a family connection.
I've had friends in a similar boat that have been denied, whether that be because of a brother or parent and their past. It was awful for them as they'd never been involved in anything themselves and if it's the same for Andy it's a tough one for him I'm sure.
Correct, def not that lad as he's the quietest lad you could meet. We don't need to spell it out but you know what we all went through for 30-40 years and we all had family members who were busier than others and when a name is on the list America is a tough nut to crack. There were calls made to the Irish Embassy but it didn't get done in time.
FFS I was lucky getting into Scotland for a Celtic match...
Must be the quietest build up to Ulster Club Semis on record ... not a peep from anyone!
Well the Clann Eireann game is a foregone conclusion with most of the tram being on the rip all week ;)
Will the pitches be playable?
Quote from: JimStynes on November 23, 2024, 09:05:32 AMWill the pitches be playable?
Genuine question.
Was the rain that bad or was it the fact it fell on frozen ground and melting snow?
Some crazy floods.
Armagh should be playable though shouldn't it. Good but away from west coast.
Looking at forecast Armagh should escape high winds until about 8pm today. Newry tomorrow sunny but 45mph winds.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on November 23, 2024, 09:37:49 AMQuote from: JimStynes on November 23, 2024, 09:05:32 AMWill the pitches be playable?
Genuine question.
Was the rain that bad or was it the fact it fell on frozen ground and melting snow?
Some crazy floods.
Armagh should be playable though shouldn't it. Good but away from west coast.
Probably a combination wouldnt it? There definitely was a serious amount of rain fell overnight
Quote from: ElJeffe on November 23, 2024, 08:37:34 AMMust be the quietest build up to Ulster Club Semis on record ... not a peep from anyone!
The GAA hate promoting their games.
Are either of the semi-finals televised?
Quote from: befair on November 23, 2024, 01:54:08 PMAre either of the semi-finals televised?
kilcoo v Scotstown on Ulster gaa tv. Clan Eireann v Errigal Ciaran on tg4
Thanks
Kilcoo 7 points up at HT.
Could have had another goal.
Kilcoo for Sam
Kilcoo well on top and could've had another couple of goals, Scotstown are so open at the back. 7 points is a big lead, though Scotstown have the wind now
Scotstown brave pushin up high.. not over yet! May as well go out playing football
3-6 to 0-5 now
4-6 to 0-6 brilliant goal by kilcoo
Demonstration on how to play against the wind
As soon as Banty talked up Scotstown as winning the Ulster title they end up losing by a bit to spare.
Kilcoo have pushed Scotstown massively. They didn't expect to lose to them in Newry last year. Making sure they put that right tonight.
And dare I say Kilcoo have been a little bit sloppy in front of the posts tonight.
May as well lose by 15 or 1 point
Five star stuff from Kilcoo. The lads in their 30s have slowed up for Monaghan and now doing likewise with Scotstown.
Is there a team in Ireland that can deal with their running game when they get going?
They could go as far as being favourites for the all ireland with bookies after this tonight.
Think they were 6th or 7th before this.
Scotstown were favourites for the game I think
Scotstown went man to man and pushed up which was brave but once you beat a man you have the overlap.. damned if you do and damned if you don't
Great performance by kilcoo, quick hands, fast running and they probably left a few scores behind as well. A lot of people had wrote them off in Ulster, that's a statement win.
Wait goes on for Monaghan with Last Monaghan winner of the senior Ulster title was Castleblayney Faughs in 1991.
Kilcoo experience of winning and reaching finals was somewhat ignored by the bookies and punters but not after that win tonight
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 23, 2024, 07:07:11 PMAs soon as Banty talked up Scotstown as winning the Ulster title they end up losing by a bit to spare.
I read where Banty tried to get Pauric Joyce and Kieran Mc Donald to play for Monaghan under his term.
Joyce is married to a Monaghan woman while Mc Donald was working in Navan. He said they need a No. 11 style player to get to the next level.
Does not surprise me. Bad form in my opinion. Would try anything.
Scotstown take the ole Derry approach here!
Tough night indeed in Scotstoun.
Wow
Last night's game didn't live up to expectations. Scotstown just weren't at the races and kilcoo really seemed to have planned and exposed beggans consistent advances out field and resulted in the game slipping away from Scotstown very quickly.
I expect today's game to be a really tough ulster club championship match. Its hard to call but I think Errigal with the 2 canavans could shade it.
Game today to see who loses to Kilcoo in the final?
That was some performance last night, but Scotstown were awful
Thought Scotstown were tactically outmanouvered. The 2 goals before half time killed them as playing into the wind they looked to be in a good position, but Kilcoo's running game had been causing them trouble and the Dam finally burst. Scotstown didn't adapt, they just hoped things would fall into place eventually.
Hope the wind doesn't ruin today's game. Think Errigal will win by 4 or 5 tbh.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 24, 2024, 11:04:01 AMGame today to see who loses to Kilcoo in the final?
That was some performance last night, but Scotstown were awful
Was a contest for 28 mins. 2 goals before half time killed off Scotstown. Kilcoo were ruthless tbf, not always a great thing to run riot in a semi final but if they play like that in the final it will take a big performance from Errigal to beat them.
Is anyone giving CE any chance today?
I liked their approach last day out
What would the tactics be to stop the brothers?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2024, 12:26:19 PMIs anyone giving CE any chance today?
I liked their approach last day out
What would the tactics be to stop the brothers?
Ec are 4/6 CE 2/1. 13/2 for a draw. Handicap is +1.
I think there is a bit of value in 2/1 for CE .
An awful lot being dropped short here from both teams. Not awful, but not great
Errigal probably the happier at ht. Was that a black card at the start? McCarthy going off is a big loss for CE.
Errigal did well to get back level at h/t after conceding the penalty. Clann Eireann missing an absolute sitter has helped Errigal too.
Was the foul for the penalty not a black card?
I presume Errigal had the benefit of the wind in the first half, that might be worth an extra point or two to CE in the second half.
That missed goal opportunity for Clann Eireann could be crucial come the end, more of a goal threat from CE which is a bit surprising. Errigal look a bit stronger around MF which could be the difference come the latter stages. TK been excellent but he needs to watch himself, he'll be off on a red b4 the end the way he's going, plus EC actively winding at him now.
The Caravans have found their range anyway. Set up for a good second half but feels like it hasn't really caught fire.
Pitch looks to be in a very poor shape.
Quote from: general_lee on November 24, 2024, 03:51:20 PMErrigal probably the happier at ht. Was that a black card at the start? McCarthy going off is a big loss for CE.
Replaced by Adam Kelly?? Real weaklink coming in.
Quote from: bennydorano on November 24, 2024, 03:57:22 PMQuote from: general_lee on November 24, 2024, 03:51:20 PMErrigal probably the happier at ht. Was that a black card at the start? McCarthy going off is a big loss for CE.
Replaced by Adam Kelly?? Real weaklink coming in.
Presume Owens is also injured, would have been a much better option. CE still causing trouble inside, they might get more joy in second half.
Quote from: Quarterbackk on November 24, 2024, 03:53:14 PMWas the foul for the penalty not a black card?
Thought it should have been myself as it was a goal scoring opportunity. He was about to pull the trigger when pulled back.
Quote from: general_lee on November 24, 2024, 04:02:11 PMQuote from: bennydorano on November 24, 2024, 03:57:22 PMQuote from: general_lee on November 24, 2024, 03:51:20 PMErrigal probably the happier at ht. Was that a black card at the start? McCarthy going off is a big loss for CE.
Replaced by Adam Kelly?? Real weaklink coming in.
Presume Owens is also injured, would have been a much better option. CE still causing trouble inside, they might get more joy in second half.
I think Owens would have picked up ruairi canavan if fit.
Daniel Magee having best game year to date for clann eireann.
Tiernan Kelly is asking to be sent off in this game
TK doing well not to react to any of the EC provocations.
not half obvious targeting of TK tho, Joe ain't buying
Some absolutely brutal handpassing in this.
Spoke too soon, that was stupid from TK.
And there's Kelly's red.
Quote from: bennydorano on November 24, 2024, 04:11:52 PMnot half obvious targeting of TK tho, Joe ain't buying
Was thinking that. He is now though.
That'll be the losing of this game. One of the best players on the pitch.
Diving wee sh1t.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on November 24, 2024, 04:14:52 PMSpoke too soon, that was stupid from TK.
Nah you were right, they we going for him and he wasn't getting sucked in. Can't make that tackle if you're on a yellow and he's 25 yards out from goal.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on November 24, 2024, 04:11:40 PMTK doing well not to react to any of the EC provocations.
Not quite well enough.
The Tyrone in EC really coming out in this second half, they've Joe eating out of the palm of their hand.
Joe McQuillan is some bollocks
Is every single EC player a mouth? Joe being Joe and being a terrible referee
Serious amount of play acting from Errigal Ciaran, Tiernan Kelly was being targeted all game
Errigal players roaring in mens faces then dropping to the floor holding their heads.. :)
Quote from: general_lee on November 24, 2024, 04:16:49 PMThe Tyrone in EC really coming out in this second half, they've Joe eating out of the palm of their hand.
He's an embarrassment of a ref
Oh look, another canavan dive.
Quote from: Sheedy on November 24, 2024, 04:17:21 PMSerious amount of play acting from Errigal Ciaran, Tiernan Kelly was being targeted all game
Number 3 barged him in the back twice. Nothing
Quote from: gallsman on November 24, 2024, 04:16:16 PMQuote from: Harold Disgracey on November 24, 2024, 04:14:52 PMSpoke too soon, that was stupid from TK.
Nah you were right, they we going for him and he wasn't getting sucked in. Can't make that tackle if you're on a yellow and he's 25 yards out from goal.
I don't think it was a yellow in fairness.
Joe giving everything to EC in 2nd half.
Tyrone lads like the diving. Clear to see today.
Is it orange tinted glasses or are EC getting a lot of soft decisions?
Think it was a cumulative thing - fouled a few times.
Even mouthing at him on his way off. What's the point.
Definitely a couple there Harold that have been poor.
Dublin Joe and Canavan diving are a double act that's hard to have answer for.
Hard to understand how Joe is still getting games at this level.
Hard to have any regard for Tyrone football.
McQuillan is a joke. How is that man one of the top referees in our game
Should have been a black card for the Clann penalty - clear goal scoring opportunity
Falling for every trick in the book
Errigal fond of the mouthing in this game. No7 chatting to Kelly on the way off followed by the same stuff against Turbitt along the sideline minutes later
Not something I would associated with them to be honest but no doubt someone will tell me different
Darragh canavan a protected species here.
Dont touch Darragh
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on November 24, 2024, 04:19:34 PMIs it orange tinted glasses or are EC getting a lot of soft decisions?
A bit of both. Just no consistency with what's a foul and what's not.
McQuillan was looking straight at that shoulder to the face, what is he playing at here
Joe McQuillan is a f**king disgrace
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 24, 2024, 04:18:11 PMQuote from: Sheedy on November 24, 2024, 04:17:21 PMSerious amount of play acting from Errigal Ciaran, Tiernan Kelly was being targeted all game
Number 3 barged him in the back twice. Nothing
He gave yellow, but to the wrong man.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on November 24, 2024, 04:19:34 PMIs it orange tinted glasses or are EC getting a lot of soft decisions?
It was clear as day yellow. Slapped the arm down across him.
He knew it himself too.
Been a few since I wouldn't be so sure about though.
Turbitt has been brutal here.
Yeah I was thinking that too.
Oh
There a replay on TG4 with EG 21 following through on a Clan man kicking the ball with a shoulder to the face. Looks a red card all day. Not sure how long ago it happened,
Soft aul free there to give CE the equaliser. Suppose that was McQuillan riding them as well.
Only 2 men to mark and Clan make a awful job of it.
That was a free TBF...
I don't think kilcoo will be quaking in their boots here.
Ruairi canavan a class player.
Quote from: gallsman on November 24, 2024, 04:35:56 PMSoft aul free there to give CE the equaliser. Suppose that was McQuillan riding them as well.
Ffs Ray Charles could tell you the ref had a stinker.
Ruairi Canavan was out of this world
Kilcoo not be too worried watching that. Would beat the pick of both teams imo
That was a disgraceful bit of refereeing.
Ruari Canavan is some baller, the other fella would put Tom Daly to shame.
A few lads here have to wait another while before slagging off Tyrone championship as not the best :D #itching
CE missed too many in final stages with a few blocked down as well. Bit more patience and they could have edged out a win there. Conditions not good and sizeable impact on the level of football.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 24, 2024, 04:40:31 PMThat was a disgraceful bit of refereeing.
Ruari Canavan is some baller, the other fella would put Tom Daly to shame.
He's also a superb player tho
R Canavan was a joy to watch
First Tyrone team into a Ulster senior club final for a decade and rode their luck against a 14 man team for the last 24 minutes.
McQuillan did not cost CE that game, would you all ever catch yourselves on. The fouls on Darragh were fouls. At one stage he was grabbed and swung around 360 and one of you was whinging about him diving. Too many CE names didn't show up. Ruairi Canavan was the best player on the pitch by a distance.
Don't think EC will have the legs for Kilcoo's running.
Quote from: gallsman on November 24, 2024, 04:24:06 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on November 24, 2024, 04:18:11 PMQuote from: Sheedy on November 24, 2024, 04:17:21 PMSerious amount of play acting from Errigal Ciaran, Tiernan Kelly was being targeted all game
Number 3 barged him in the back twice. Nothing
He gave yellow, but to the wrong man.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on November 24, 2024, 04:19:34 PMIs it orange tinted glasses or are EC getting a lot of soft decisions?
It was clear as day yellow. Slapped the arm down across him.
Booked the boy who had TK grilled by the throat. Right decision. Didn't book the number 3. Wrong decision. Then he booked him a couple minutes later. Should have been a red. Could have changed the result
Clann eireann can feel aggreived at some of the referees calls but their Armagh contingent didn't really turn up losing McCarthy and Owens was massive losses too.
Quote from: Gael80 on November 24, 2024, 04:44:18 PMQuote from: Mikhailov on November 24, 2024, 04:21:18 PMMcQuillan is a joke. How is that man one of the top referees in our game
Should have been a black card for the Clann penalty - clear goal scoring opportunity
Falling for every trick in the book
Errigal fond of the mouthing in this game. No7 chatting to Kelly on the way off followed by the same stuff against Turbitt along the sideline minutes later
Not something I would associated with them to be honest but no doubt someone will tell me different
Tyrone teams are well known at this stage. It has to form part of your plan and I think CE were naive. CE were the better footballing team but lack of experience cost them. EC v Kilcoo will be interesting.
Armagh wans losing the run of themselves a wee bit me thinks.
Quote from: Gael80 on November 24, 2024, 04:44:18 PMQuote from: Mikhailov on November 24, 2024, 04:21:18 PMMcQuillan is a joke. How is that man one of the top referees in our game
Should have been a black card for the Clann penalty - clear goal scoring opportunity
Falling for every trick in the book
Errigal fond of the mouthing in this game. No7 chatting to Kelly on the way off followed by the same stuff against Turbitt along the sideline minutes later
Not something I would associated with them to be honest but no doubt someone will tell me different
Tyrone teams are well known at this stage. It has to form part of your plan and I think CE were naive. CE were the better footballing team but lack of experience cost them. EC v Kilcoo will be interesting.
Lack of one of their best players for 20 mins cost them. Nothing else.
Quote from: gallsman on November 24, 2024, 04:43:12 PMMcQuillan did not cost CE that game, would you all ever catch yourselves on. The fouls on Darragh were fouls. At one stage he was grabbed and swung around 360 and one of you was whinging about him diving. Too many CE names didn't show up. Ruairi Canavan was the best player on the pitch by a distance.
Don't think EC will have the legs for Kilcoo's running.
The decision not too black card for the penalty was a massive call mcquillan got wrong.
Errigal's job was done when TK got sent off, self inflicted in the end but made me remember the good old days when Tyronies were so disliked with dodgy tactics and diving.
The EC N21 (McCrory?)could have had 3 or 4 cards of various colours. McQuillan was just awful.
Errigal will need to have much more in the tank for Kilcoo, Ruairi Canavan just about got them over the line.
Clann Eireann are a serious outfit.
Quote from: statto on November 24, 2024, 04:47:18 PMQuote from: gallsman on November 24, 2024, 04:43:12 PMMcQuillan did not cost CE that game, would you all ever catch yourselves on. The fouls on Darragh were fouls. At one stage he was grabbed and swung around 360 and one of you was whinging about him diving. Too many CE names didn't show up. Ruairi Canavan was the best player on the pitch by a distance.
Don't think EC will have the legs for Kilcoo's running.
The decision not too black card for the penalty was a massive call mcquillan got wrong.
1. Deliberately pull down an opponent.
2. Deliberately trip an opponent with the hand(s), arm, leg or foot.
3. Deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose
of taking him out of a movement of play.
4. Threaten or to use abusive or provocative language or gestures to an opponent or a teammate.
5. Remonstrate in an aggressive manner with a Match Official.
Go on then, which of these did McQuillan get wrong? Too many eejits banging on about rules they don't have the slightest clue about. Always the same with the square ball too. Someone was banging on about "a goalscoring opportunity" earlier FFS.
Quote from: gallsman on November 24, 2024, 04:43:12 PMMcQuillan did not cost CE that game, would you all ever catch yourselves on. The fouls on Darragh were fouls. At one stage he was grabbed and swung around 360 and one of you was whinging about him diving. Too many CE names didn't show up. Ruairi Canavan was the best player on the pitch by a distance.
Don't think EC will have the legs for Kilcoo's running.
It's not what he gave rather than what he didn't give. D Canavan doesn't need a second invitation to go down when he feels contact and in that regard is a chip off the old block - but most if not all were fouls. As were the two black card offences, the red card offence and at least one yellow card offence that he somehow missed.
I just pray that that EC bring the same shite to the final v Kilcoo.
Quote from: Gael80 on November 24, 2024, 04:51:54 PM15 v 15 CE win that game with a few to spare.
How on earth can anyone say this with a straight face given how 40 mins or the game at 15 v 15 went?!
Too many CE men below par and some poor decision making, pitch awful although not sure if it impacted one side more than other.
EC vs Kilcoo- may book the Market Place Theatre for the final with the amount of play acting that we are going to see.
This thread has been fantastic today. Emotional with nostalgia.
Quote from: gallsman on November 24, 2024, 04:52:35 PMQuote from: statto on November 24, 2024, 04:47:18 PMQuote from: gallsman on November 24, 2024, 04:43:12 PMMcQuillan did not cost CE that game, would you all ever catch yourselves on. The fouls on Darragh were fouls. At one stage he was grabbed and swung around 360 and one of you was whinging about him diving. Too many CE names didn't show up. Ruairi Canavan was the best player on the pitch by a distance.
Don't think EC will have the legs for Kilcoo's running.
The decision not too black card for the penalty was a massive call mcquillan got wrong.
1. Deliberately pull down an opponent.
2. Deliberately trip an opponent with the hand(s), arm, leg or foot.
3. Deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose
of taking him out of a movement of play.
4. Threaten or to use abusive or provocative language or gestures to an opponent or a teammate.
5. Remonstrate in an aggressive manner with a Match Official.
Go on then, which of these did McQuillan get wrong? Too many eejits banging on about rules they don't have the slightest clue about. Always the same with the square ball too. Someone was banging on about "a goalscoring opportunity" earlier FFS.
Number 3 was definitely met in the second half in a different incident but anyway.
Agree by the rules not a black card for the penalty which is the rule books problem in fairness.
Quote from: ONeill on November 24, 2024, 04:59:22 PMThis thread has been fantastic today. Emotional with nostalgia.
Errigal Canavan ... God be with the days. Family has fair carried that club...
Quote from: gallsman on November 24, 2024, 04:54:12 PMQuote from: Gael80 on November 24, 2024, 04:51:54 PM15 v 15 CE win that game with a few to spare.
How on earth can anyone say this with a straight face given how 40 mins or the game at 15 v 15 went?!
Clann Eireann 3 up and cruising? Did you actually watch it?
Kilcoo or The Tyrone men, there are no winners out of this for the neutrals
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 24, 2024, 05:01:48 PMQuote from: gallsman on November 24, 2024, 04:54:12 PMQuote from: Gael80 on November 24, 2024, 04:51:54 PM15 v 15 CE win that game with a few to spare.
How on earth can anyone say this with a straight face given how 40 mins or the game at 15 v 15 went?!
Clann Eireann 3 up and cruising? Did you actually watch it?
Cruising! Jesus Christ. I watched it alright but not sure you did. They were 3 up late in the first half too and pegged back, so what's your point?!
And if you've an issue about it being reduced to 14 Vs 15, there's one man to blame, and it ain't McQuillan ffs.
Quote from: Brendan on November 24, 2024, 05:02:57 PMKilcoo or The Tyrone men, there are no winners out of this for the neutrals
Do you think the rest of Tyrone are cheering for Errigal?! :D at best neutral..
Quote from: gallsman on November 24, 2024, 04:52:35 PMQuote from: statto on November 24, 2024, 04:47:18 PMQuote from: gallsman on November 24, 2024, 04:43:12 PMMcQuillan did not cost CE that game, would you all ever catch yourselves on. The fouls on Darragh were fouls. At one stage he was grabbed and swung around 360 and one of you was whinging about him diving. Too many CE names didn't show up. Ruairi Canavan was the best player on the pitch by a distance.
Don't think EC will have the legs for Kilcoo's running.
The decision not too black card for the penalty was a massive call mcquillan got wrong.
1. Deliberately pull down an opponent.
2. Deliberately trip an opponent with the hand(s), arm, leg or foot.
3. Deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose
of taking him out of a movement of play.
4. Threaten or to use abusive or provocative language or gestures to an opponent or a teammate.
5. Remonstrate in an aggressive manner with a Match Official.
Go on then, which of these did McQuillan get wrong? Too many eejits banging on about rules they don't have the slightest clue about. Always the same with the square ball too. Someone was banging on about "a goalscoring opportunity" earlier FFS.
Thought myself earlier about the black card but here you go:
Rule 5.41 of the GAA's official guide states that a penalty shall be awarded in football when a player is "denied of a goal-scoring opportunity" due to a black card foul inside the 20m line (though not within 25m of either sideline) or within the semi-circular arc.
So while it was a goal scoring opportunity it wasn't from a black card offence.
Quote from: gallsman on November 24, 2024, 05:05:21 PMAnd if you've an issue about it being reduced to 14 Vs 15, there's one man to blame, and it ain't McQuillan ffs.
I don't agree it was a second yellow but regardless, EC should have two men sent to the line.
Quote from: gallsman on November 24, 2024, 05:05:21 PMAnd if you've an issue about it being reduced to 14 Vs 15, there's one man to blame, and it ain't McQuillan ffs.
Not a chance that was a second yellow, come on now.
It is a real shame that after some of the best point taking you're likely to see that the main talking point is the ref.
Quote from: gallsman on November 24, 2024, 04:52:35 PMQuote from: statto on November 24, 2024, 04:47:18 PMQuote from: gallsman on November 24, 2024, 04:43:12 PMMcQuillan did not cost CE that game, would you all ever catch yourselves on. The fouls on Darragh were fouls. At one stage he was grabbed and swung around 360 and one of you was whinging about him diving. Too many CE names didn't show up. Ruairi Canavan was the best player on the pitch by a distance.
Don't think EC will have the legs for Kilcoo's running.
The decision not too black card for the penalty was a massive call mcquillan got wrong.
1. Deliberately pull down an opponent.
2. Deliberately trip an opponent with the hand(s), arm, leg or foot.
3. Deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose
of taking him out of a movement of play.
4. Threaten or to use abusive or provocative language or gestures to an opponent or a teammate.
5. Remonstrate in an aggressive manner with a Match Official.
Go on then, which of these did McQuillan get wrong? Too many eejits banging on about rules they don't have the slightest clue about. Always the same with the square ball too. Someone was banging on about "a goalscoring opportunity" earlier FFS.
Go to the GAA Official Guide, part 2, page 58 and you can read all about 'goal scoring opportunities' for yourself.
It starts....
In the context of Rule 5.41 (football)
Go and read 5.41
You are wrong.
Didn't see the first yellow, but second was really soft; another victim of the classic tyrone Tumble. Of course wasn't the ref who missed that sitter in the first half; one of the worst misses I've ever seen
Quote from: Nanderson on November 24, 2024, 04:39:55 PMKilcoo not be too worried watching that. Would beat the pick of both teams imo
You must rate Crosserlough highly?
Quote from: Mikhailov on November 24, 2024, 05:23:17 PMQuote from: gallsman on November 24, 2024, 04:52:35 PMQuote from: statto on November 24, 2024, 04:47:18 PMQuote from: gallsman on November 24, 2024, 04:43:12 PMMcQuillan did not cost CE that game, would you all ever catch yourselves on. The fouls on Darragh were fouls. At one stage he was grabbed and swung around 360 and one of you was whinging about him diving. Too many CE names didn't show up. Ruairi Canavan was the best player on the pitch by a distance.
Don't think EC will have the legs for Kilcoo's running.
The decision not too black card for the penalty was a massive call mcquillan got wrong.
1. Deliberately pull down an opponent.
2. Deliberately trip an opponent with the hand(s), arm, leg or foot.
3. Deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose
of taking him out of a movement of play.
4. Threaten or to use abusive or provocative language or gestures to an opponent or a teammate.
5. Remonstrate in an aggressive manner with a Match Official.
Go on then, which of these did McQuillan get wrong? Too many eejits banging on about rules they don't have the slightest clue about. Always the same with the square ball too. Someone was banging on about "a goalscoring opportunity" earlier FFS.
Go to the GAA Official Guide, part 2, page 58 and you can read all about 'goal scoring opportunities' for yourself.
That rule is county football only.
Exactly.
Not only has he totally misunderstood the rule.
The rule he thinks he knows does not apply to club games.
What chance has McQuillan got?
God help some of the supporters with the new rules :o
You'd think the Armagh ones would be less irritable these days after the year they've had.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on November 24, 2024, 05:56:43 PMYou'd think the Armagh ones would be less irritable these days after the year they've had.
Not enough Allstars you see. World's against them.
Errigal will need the ref to help them in the final they looked leggy.
Kilcoo showed what level they can play to last night
McQuillan equally brutal for both teams so CE have no-one to blame but themselves. CE county men did not step up while EC county men did. There's your differwnce. Kilcoo's to lose IMO.
Quote from: befair on November 24, 2024, 05:32:54 PMDidn't see the first yellow, but second was really soft; another victim of the classic tyrone Tumble. Of course wasn't the ref who missed that sitter in the first half; one of the worst misses I've ever seen
The first was soft enough but justifiable.
I'd give Errigal every chance v Kilcoo. Scotstown refused to adapt, they just continued to play their own style & way, their arrogance cost them badly imo. Errigal were poor enough today so have a lot of room for improvement. Enda McGinley is a shrewd man, I'd imagine he'll have a gameplan that will give them every chance.
Quote from: Armagh4sam2024 on November 24, 2024, 06:14:35 PMMcQuillan equally brutal for both teams so CE have no-one to blame but themselves. CE county men did not step up while EC county men did. There's your differwnce. Kilcoo's to lose IMO.
LOL
Quote from: bennydorano on November 24, 2024, 06:29:52 PMI'd give Errigal every chance v Kilcoo. Scotstown refused to adapt, they just continued to play their own style & way, their arrogance cost them badly imo. Errigal were poor enough today so have a lot of room for improvement. Enda McGinley is a shrewd man, I'd imagine he'll have a gameplan that will give them every chance.
100% Benny. I tipped EC weeks ago, just think they have a good balance to them and a serious attacking unit. Assuming the game will be in the Athletic Grounds, Errigal by 4.
We've had it all in here today from classic GAAisms (such and such would beat the pick of those two teams, jesus wept) to boys not knowing the rules. Hard to beat ;D
Final will be a good game, just think Kilcoo will be too streetwise and deal with the Canavan threat better.
Should McCambridge not have been put on to him?
Quote from: gallsman on November 24, 2024, 05:04:17 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 24, 2024, 05:01:48 PMQuote from: gallsman on November 24, 2024, 04:54:12 PMQuote from: Gael80 on November 24, 2024, 04:51:54 PM15 v 15 CE win that game with a few to spare.
How on earth can anyone say this with a straight face given how 40 mins or the game at 15 v 15 went?!
Clann Eireann 3 up and cruising? Did you actually watch it?
Cruising! Jesus Christ. I watched it alright but not sure you did. They were 3 up late in the first half too and pegged back, so what's your point?!
They weren't 3 up late in the first half were they? If you're talking about the goal that put them 2 points up, not 3
Quote from: Saul goodman on November 24, 2024, 06:13:56 PMErrigal will need the ref to help them in the final they looked leggy.
Kilcoo showed what level they can play to last night
Course they were leggy. No harm but Kilcoo are able to cruise to a final every year. Errigal don't have that luxury. Could've lost the first round, replay in the second round, went to the wire in the semi and the same in the final, week turn around then for the Eunans game
Quote from: thebigfullforward on November 24, 2024, 07:12:56 PMQuote from: Saul goodman on November 24, 2024, 06:13:56 PMErrigal will need the ref to help them in the final they looked leggy.
Kilcoo showed what level they can play to last night
Course they were leggy. No harm but Kilcoo are able to cruise to a final every year. Errigal don't have that luxury. Could've lost the first round, replay in the second round, went to the wire in the semi and the same in the final, week turn around then for the Eunans game
Kilcoo have developed a habit of cruising past county champions too.
Not standing up for Down football btw. But I'm pretty sure Burren, Carryduff wouldn't be long picking up a Tyrone title if they were moved.
Quote from: thebigfullforward on November 24, 2024, 07:09:46 PMQuote from: gallsman on November 24, 2024, 05:04:17 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 24, 2024, 05:01:48 PMQuote from: gallsman on November 24, 2024, 04:54:12 PMQuote from: Gael80 on November 24, 2024, 04:51:54 PM15 v 15 CE win that game with a few to spare.
How on earth can anyone say this with a straight face given how 40 mins or the game at 15 v 15 went?!
Clann Eireann 3 up and cruising? Did you actually watch it?
Cruising! Jesus Christ. I watched it alright but not sure you did. They were 3 up late in the first half too and pegged back, so what's your point?!
They weren't 3 up late in the first half were they? If you're talking about the goal that put them 2 points up, not 3
Yeah. Penalty made it 1-5 to 0-6.
TK's first yellow could have been handed to 3 or 4 Errigal players who committed similar or worse fouls (plenty of it off the ball too) long before he was booked.
The incessant fouling and goading of him after half time was distasteful and wasn't dealt with properly at all either.
McQuillan seemed happy to let that run but then when
TK didnt react to provocation, showed him red for the softest of frees.
2 Canavans were very very good and scored some wonder points but was funny hearing the Errigal crowd themselves casually talking about where and when the Canavans would buy thier next free from, like it's a perfectly normal part of EC strategy. McQuillan naturally obliging of course...
Still...for CE to play a fair chunk of 2nd half with 14 men and without thier starting CHB for a large portion as well as he had to go off injured ....and still be in the game up to the last kick....
Watched first half, seemed an even enough game. EC (Tyrone's only winners) will give Kilcoo their fill of it, Kilcoo play on the edge though and will take a strong ref to let teams at it and not allow players to buy frees or nip in the bud goading players.
Both of these teams are good at that
Interestingly the managers of the hurling game beforehand were told how the ref was going to ref it, no soft frees, letting it go, physicality..
And it was a war of attrition, while lacking quality the intensity was good and both teams knew what to expect
But what's a soft free. It's either a free ir it's not.The hurling was a great game, but there was a deadly amount of free ignored, especially for pulling bck and checking runs.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 24, 2024, 08:27:47 PMBut what's a soft free. It's either a free ir it's not.The hurling was a great game, but there was a deadly amount of free ignored, especially for pulling bck and checking runs.
A soft free is when the ref blows for a free which has no impact on that passage of play, so while a jersey my be tugged or an over physical challenge is made, if the outcome is still with the play then play on and not be whistle happy.
Quote from: statto on November 24, 2024, 04:47:18 PMQuote from: gallsman on November 24, 2024, 04:43:12 PMMcQuillan did not cost CE that game, would you all ever catch yourselves on. The fouls on Darragh were fouls. At one stage he was grabbed and swung around 360 and one of you was whinging about him diving. Too many CE names didn't show up. Ruairi Canavan was the best player on the pitch by a distance.
Don't think EC will have the legs for Kilcoo's running.
The decision not too black card for the penalty was a massive call mcquillan got wrong.
It was a pull back not a pull down, yellow correct decision
Kilcoo v Errigal ulster final. It should be a great game. These 2 teams are very good football teams. Kilcoo probably a better all round team but have nobody the quality of the 2 canavans. Both teams are well managed. I think kilcoo are super fit team and this may edge the contest in their favour. Looking forward to this....
Quote from: gallsman on November 24, 2024, 04:54:12 PMQuote from: Gael80 on November 24, 2024, 04:51:54 PM15 v 15 CE win that game with a few to spare.
How on earth can anyone say this with a straight face given how 40 mins or the game at 15 v 15 went?!
CE had quite clearly taken a grasp of the game at that point and EC were really struggling for ideas.
The notion that you can dismiss such a comment with such certainty is pretty nonsensical.
Canavans are just a joy to watch.
Quote from: onefaircounty on November 24, 2024, 10:03:27 PMQuote from: gallsman on November 24, 2024, 04:54:12 PMQuote from: Gael80 on November 24, 2024, 04:51:54 PM15 v 15 CE win that game with a few to spare.
How on earth can anyone say this with a straight face given how 40 mins or the game at 15 v 15 went?!
CE had quite clearly taken a grasp of the game at that point and EC were really struggling for ideas.
The notion that you can dismiss such a comment with such certainty is pretty nonsensical.
Canavans are just a joy to watch.
Canavans are brilliant players, up there with the best in the country at the minute but my god the diving at the slightest touch does my head in, is there any need
Quote from: Sheedy on November 24, 2024, 10:21:54 PMQuote from: onefaircounty on November 24, 2024, 10:03:27 PMQuote from: gallsman on November 24, 2024, 04:54:12 PMQuote from: Gael80 on November 24, 2024, 04:51:54 PM15 v 15 CE win that game with a few to spare.
How on earth can anyone say this with a straight face given how 40 mins or the game at 15 v 15 went?!
CE had quite clearly taken a grasp of the game at that point and EC were really struggling for ideas.
The notion that you can dismiss such a comment with such certainty is pretty nonsensical.
Canavans are just a joy to watch.
Canavans are brilliant players, up there with the best in the country at the minute but my god the diving at the slightest touch does my head in, is there any need
2 unreal footballers no doubt but refs need to wise up to the diving they be at.
Wouldn't like to be the Tyrone/Errigal kit man washing the muck off the jerseys with the amount of time they spent lying in it.
I genuinely thought CE would have won that game if TK had stayed on the field, CE were on top at that stage and 3pts up. TK was targeted by so many EC players to provoke him that you may not have seen on the tv but was so obvious from the stands. The second yellow was probably enhanced from the roar of the EC fans in the main stand which influenced Joe's decision.
Was a good game and glad i went to it with two equally matched teams, i think Kilkoo will have too much for EC tbh and can see them winning with 4-5pts to spare. Their running off the shoulder and pace will be hard to stop.
Man of the match today was fully justified. Young Canavan was a joy to watch, a real baller.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 24, 2024, 10:37:20 PMQuote from: Sheedy on November 24, 2024, 10:21:54 PMQuote from: onefaircounty on November 24, 2024, 10:03:27 PMQuote from: gallsman on November 24, 2024, 04:54:12 PMQuote from: Gael80 on November 24, 2024, 04:51:54 PM15 v 15 CE win that game with a few to spare.
How on earth can anyone say this with a straight face given how 40 mins or the game at 15 v 15 went?!
CE had quite clearly taken a grasp of the game at that point and EC were really struggling for ideas.
The notion that you can dismiss such a comment with such certainty is pretty nonsensical.
Canavans are just a joy to watch.
Canavans are brilliant players, up there with the best in the country at the minute but my god the diving at the slightest touch does my head in, is there any need
2 unreal footballers no doubt but refs need to wise up to the diving they be at.
Wouldn't like to be the Tyrone/Errigal kit man washing the muck off the jerseys with the amount of time they spent lying in it.
Absolute Nonsense
Quote from: PMG1 on November 24, 2024, 09:04:35 PMQuote from: statto on November 24, 2024, 04:47:18 PMQuote from: gallsman on November 24, 2024, 04:43:12 PMMcQuillan did not cost CE that game, would you all ever catch yourselves on. The fouls on Darragh were fouls. At one stage he was grabbed and swung around 360 and one of you was whinging about him diving. Too many CE names didn't show up. Ruairi Canavan was the best player on the pitch by a distance.
Don't think EC will have the legs for Kilcoo's running.
The decision not too black card for the penalty was a massive call mcquillan got wrong.
It was a pull back not a pull down, yellow correct decision
Could be wrong but I don't think he gave a yellow card?
There was nothing between the sides, really. The red card changed the game, and CE were probably heading for a 1-2 point win.
It's interesting if this is a coming-of-age performance by Ruairi.
Small margins. Clann Eireann looked cert for a goal, but Niall Kelly got back on the line and cleared his lines. Great defending.
Quote from: thewobbler on November 24, 2024, 07:15:23 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on November 24, 2024, 07:12:56 PMQuote from: Saul goodman on November 24, 2024, 06:13:56 PMErrigal will need the ref to help them in the final they looked leggy.
Kilcoo showed what level they can play to last night
Course they were leggy. No harm but Kilcoo are able to cruise to a final every year. Errigal don't have that luxury. Could've lost the first round, replay in the second round, went to the wire in the semi and the same in the final, week turn around then for the Eunans game
Kilcoo have developed a habit of cruising past county champions too.
Not standing up for Down football btw. But I'm pretty sure Burren, Carryduff wouldn't be long picking up a Tyrone title if they were moved.
Your right they might win an intermediate title. Not a chance they would touch the top 6 teams in tyrone
Quote from: Sportacus on November 24, 2024, 11:04:56 PMSmall margins. Clann Eireann looked cert for a goal, but Niall Kelly got back on the line and cleared his lines. Great defending.
Well played by Kelly but that goal chance was butchered.
Quote from: ONeill on November 24, 2024, 10:55:37 PMThere was nothing between the sides, really. The red card changed the game, and CE were probably heading for a 1-2 point win.
It's interesting if this is a coming-of-age performance by Ruairi.
Red card undoubtedly turned the game. The most frustrating thing about McQuillan was that he had let 3 to 4 Errigal players away with similar or worse fouls than TK. That left 1 CE player walking a tightrope and the Errigal players free to keep playing on the edge in the 2nd half. Zero consistency.
Tiernan Kelly no alter boy.... he should be on a yellow card everytime he leaves the house!
Quote from: WT4E on November 25, 2024, 09:34:25 AMTiernan Kelly no alter boy.... he should be on a yellow card everytime he leaves the house!
If you were refereeing on reputation Tyrone wouldnt even be allowed enter teams ;)
Quote from: illdecide on November 24, 2024, 10:40:20 PMI genuinely thought CE would have won that game if TK had stayed on the field, CE were on top at that stage and 3pts up. TK was targeted by so many EC players to provoke him that you may not have seen on the tv but was so obvious from the stands. The second yellow was probably enhanced from the roar of the EC fans in the main stand which influenced Joe's decision.
This. The roar from the EC bench when TK "fouled" for the second yellow was embarrassing really. Enda McGinley and Stevie Quinn would be men I'd have a lot of time for but the cynicism was there for all to see. It was obviously part of the HT team talk as the concerted effort to get TK a second booking ramped up after that. McQuillan really should retire, a truly awful ref.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 25, 2024, 09:51:18 AMQuote from: WT4E on November 25, 2024, 09:34:25 AMTiernan Kelly no alter boy.... he should be on a yellow card everytime he leaves the house!
If you were refereeing on reputation Tyrone wouldnt even be allowed enter teams ;)
Maybe a decade or two ago... now they just like coffee and yoga unfortunately!
Have to laugh at the comments on here. Of course TK was targeted in much the same way as the Dubs or Kerry would do. At one point TK was over mouthing at mcginley as well.
At ht it only looked like a matter of time before he got sent so why risk it with that challenge.
As for the match itself, I don't think the CE all-stars stood up in this game. A bit more from them and CE could have won. No doubt RC was the difference
Quote from: Moonshine on November 24, 2024, 11:06:42 PMQuote from: thewobbler on November 24, 2024, 07:15:23 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on November 24, 2024, 07:12:56 PMQuote from: Saul goodman on November 24, 2024, 06:13:56 PMErrigal will need the ref to help them in the final they looked leggy.
Kilcoo showed what level they can play to last night
Course they were leggy. No harm but Kilcoo are able to cruise to a final every year. Errigal don't have that luxury. Could've lost the first round, replay in the second round, went to the wire in the semi and the same in the final, week turn around then for the Eunans game
Kilcoo have developed a habit of cruising past county champions too.
Not standing up for Down football btw. But I'm pretty sure Burren, Carryduff wouldn't be long picking up a Tyrone title if they were moved.
Your right they might win an intermediate title. Not a chance they would touch the top 6 teams in tyrone
Tyrone people really have notions
Thought CE no 11 McGee played fairly well. Did he ever get a look with the county?
Quote from: An Watcher on November 25, 2024, 10:11:26 AMHave to laugh at the comments on here. Of course TK was targeted in much the same way as the Dubs or Kerry would do. At one point TK was over mouthing at mcginley as well.
At ht it only looked like a matter of time before he got sent so why risk it with that challenge.
As for the match itself, I don't think the CE all-stars stood up in this game. A bit more from them and CE could have won. No doubt RC was the difference
Losing Owens before the match and McCarthy during it didn't help CE's cause. The TK sending off was technically correct, but harsh in the context of how the match was being refereed. If I was from CE I'd be livid. A deliberate pull-down (pulled by the shorts and Daniel Magee ended up on the deck - is that not a black card offence?) Another 3rd man tackle ignored and no3 for EC escaping a yellow (booked another player instead). Apart from Turbitt who was quiete I thought CE's county players played well.
Quote from: maddog on November 25, 2024, 10:18:22 AMThought CE no 11 McGee played fairly well. Did he ever get a look with the county?
He's on the extended panel.
Thought red harsh on tk given the goading he was receiving and considering some of the other challenges etc.
Definitely thought ref let a few things go and was extremely poor .
Tight game and the Canavans stood up well , both are extremely talented.
For me kilcoo will have the measure of Errigal Ciaran .
Quote from: general_lee on November 25, 2024, 10:23:29 AMQuote from: An Watcher on November 25, 2024, 10:11:26 AMHave to laugh at the comments on here. Of course TK was targeted in much the same way as the Dubs or Kerry would do. At one point TK was over mouthing at mcginley as well.
At ht it only looked like a matter of time before he got sent so why risk it with that challenge.
As for the match itself, I don't think the CE all-stars stood up in this game. A bit more from them and CE could have won. No doubt RC was the difference
Losing Owens before the match and McCarthy during it didn't help CE's cause. The TK sending off was technically correct, but harsh in the context of how the match was being refereed. If I was from CE I'd be livid. A deliberate pull-down (pulled by the shorts and Daniel Magee ended up on the deck - is that not a black card offence?) Another 3rd man tackle ignored and no3 for EC escaping a yellow (booked another player instead). Apart from Turbitt who was quiete I thought CE's county players played well.
Absolutely CE needed more out of Turbitt to win the game... Mccambridge & Kelly (when on the field) were excellent..cant really recall Turbitt doing much other then the dead ball scores and one good run early on
Bitter enough defeat for Clann Eireann. Had it in their grasp to win it. The county players are probably sick of football at this stage of the year. Shouldn't be surprised by Joe McQuillan anymore. The Canavans are clinical with their shooting.
Turbitt did score a good point from play in the first half and hit the post when they should have scored that goal.
He was ok but you'd expect a lot more from an all star.
Bit disappointed in both teams tbh as they don't look like teams who could challenge Kilcoo. EC very dependent on Canavans which is fine but there was a lack of willingness from some of their players to shoot in scenarios where they really should have. It'll be interesting to see what Kilcoo have in store for the Canavans.
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 25, 2024, 10:58:31 AMTurbitt did score a good point from play in the first half and hit the post when they should have scored that goal.
He was ok but you'd expect a lot more from an all star.
Bit disappointed in both teams tbh as they don't look like teams who could challenge Kilcoo. EC very dependent on Canavans which is fine but there was a lack of willingness from some of their players to shoot in scenarios where they really should have. It'll be interesting to see what Kilcoo have in store for the Canavans.
Kicked a 45 wide in the first half that seemed very nonchalant, like there was no expectation to score, content tapping it wide, i'm sure he would've put a bit more effort in had it been last kick of the game to level or win. The same approach worked for the penalty as clearly distance wasn't an issue, but if he felt the 45 wasn't scorable himself he should have passed it over to someone else to have a proper go - he looked lively enough but maybe not suited to winter football
I don't remember Turbitt scoring from play but he created a few for others. ITG are you sure you're not thinking of his shot that came off the post for the goal chance that was spurned?
The 45 attempt was very poor. Camera was right behind it. Don't recall seeing him hit any for Armagh as it's usually O'Neill so don't know if he has it in his locker or not but he didn't look confident at all and it was ten yards wide from the moment it left his boot.
Hmmm I do appear to be wrong and must have been the post effort. He wasn't fantastic regardless.
This game for CE was lost on two v specific stages, 1. missing the gl sitter 2. the sending off, never a second yellow especially when you benchmark it against very similar tackles where the yellow was not produced, ref definitely influenced by the EC players who TK had upset in some way prior to that tackle.
R Canavan was excellent on the day. The difference, but i think CE with the full compliment would have won. This is how refs serious effect results. Not suggestion it was deliberate, but the lack of consistency would sicken ye.
Quote from: shawshank on November 25, 2024, 12:29:07 PMThis game for CE was lost on two v specific stages, 1. missing the gl sitter 2. the sending off, never a second yellow especially when you benchmark it against very similar tackles where the yellow was not produced, ref definitely influenced by the EC players who TK had upset in some way prior to that tackle.
R Canavan was excellent on the day. The difference, but i think CE with the full compliment would have won. This is how refs serious effect results. Not suggestion it was deliberate, but the lack of consistency would sicken ye.
Incompetent more like, far from ideal for a game of such significance
Didn't see the second half so not commentating on the sending off
But if you view it from three different views
Manager of the opposing team.. target him, if he gets a second yellow he's off, he gets wound up easy enough so might react to something and going into the final minutes of the game it gives us a huge advantage
Manager of CE... right we maybe need to take him off, I'd rather have 15 players on the pitch going into the final stages of this game, and they'll pick on him, so lets get him off before he's sent off
The player on the yellow... I've got to time it right, I must not react to this, I'll let the ref know that I'm being held or pulled or whatever (don't give off to him as that will have the opposite effect)
Was there other yellow cards given and were they targeted?
Think Ryan Owens was a massive miss as well, probably would be an ideal man for picking up Canavan. McCarthy injury was a blow too of course.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2024, 01:09:39 PMDidn't see the second half so not commentating on the sending off
But if you view it from three different views
Manager of the opposing team.. target him, if he gets a second yellow he's off, he gets wound up easy enough so might react to something and going into the final minutes of the game it gives us a huge advantage
Manager of CE... right we maybe need to take him off, I'd rather have 15 players on the pitch going into the final stages of this game, and they'll pick on him, so lets get him off before he's sent off
The player on the yellow... I've got to time it right, I must not react to this, I'll let the ref know that I'm being held or pulled or whatever (don't give off to him as that will have the opposite effect)
Was there other yellow cards given and were they targeted?
The sending off was because of the second yellow card which was fairly routine foul, not as a result of targeting. The issue arises though that there were many fouls more serious than that one that were not penalised.
Quote from: armaghniac on November 25, 2024, 01:16:48 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2024, 01:09:39 PMDidn't see the second half so not commentating on the sending off
But if you view it from three different views
Manager of the opposing team.. target him, if he gets a second yellow he's off, he gets wound up easy enough so might react to something and going into the final minutes of the game it gives us a huge advantage
Manager of CE... right we maybe need to take him off, I'd rather have 15 players on the pitch going into the final stages of this game, and they'll pick on him, so lets get him off before he's sent off
The player on the yellow... I've got to time it right, I must not react to this, I'll let the ref know that I'm being held or pulled or whatever (don't give off to him as that will have the opposite effect)
Was there other yellow cards given and were they targeted?
The sending off was because of the second yellow card which was fairly routine foul, not as a result of targeting. The issue arises though that there were many fouls more serious than that one that were not penalised.
Well that's on him then, you look after your own is all you can do, the ref will do what he does and I can't get sent off, just reading some of the comments here, there seemed to be ones saying he was targeted
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2024, 01:09:39 PMDidn't see the second half so not commentating on the sending off
But if you view it from three different views
Manager of the opposing team.. target him, if he gets a second yellow he's off, he gets wound up easy enough so might react to something and going into the final minutes of the game it gives us a huge advantage
Manager of CE... right we maybe need to take him off, I'd rather have 15 players on the pitch going into the final stages of this game, and they'll pick on him, so lets get him off before he's sent off
The player on the yellow... I've got to time it right, I must not react to this, I'll let the ref know that I'm being held or pulled or whatever (don't give off to him as that will have the opposite effect)
Was there other yellow cards given and were they targeted?
I honestly don't think I've watched a game where I've seen such an effort to deliberately wind up one particular player. He was just being poked, goaded, pulled prodded etc at the whole game. I don't know the perception of Kelly - definitely a very good footballer but I imagine he's maybe not the most disciplined and this is what was being targeted.
He fouled a lot and the first yellow was needless so ultimately he deserved it but it did seem there was a lot of goading, poking, pushing, pulling etc which McQuillan should have done a better job of. I know you're a ref and side with the ref but it was a very poor reffing performance and I would tend to say not too much on refs. It was, like others have said, very inconsistent. I thought the foul he committed probably didn't merit a second yellow but it seemed like a cumulative thing and he knew himself.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 25, 2024, 01:14:27 PMThink Ryan Owens was a massive miss as well, probably would be an ideal man for picking up Canavan. McCarthy injury was a blow too of course.
Was Owen's injured?
He was excellent against Newbridge the last day out
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 25, 2024, 02:12:08 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2024, 01:09:39 PMDidn't see the second half so not commentating on the sending off
But if you view it from three different views
Manager of the opposing team.. target him, if he gets a second yellow he's off, he gets wound up easy enough so might react to something and going into the final minutes of the game it gives us a huge advantage
Manager of CE... right we maybe need to take him off, I'd rather have 15 players on the pitch going into the final stages of this game, and they'll pick on him, so lets get him off before he's sent off
The player on the yellow... I've got to time it right, I must not react to this, I'll let the ref know that I'm being held or pulled or whatever (don't give off to him as that will have the opposite effect)
Was there other yellow cards given and were they targeted?
I honestly don't think I've watched a game where I've seen such an effort to deliberately wind up one particular player. He was just being poked, goaded, pulled prodded etc at the whole game. I don't know the perception of Kelly - definitely a very good footballer but I imagine he's maybe not the most disciplined and this is what was being targeted.
He fouled a lot and the first yellow was needless so ultimately he deserved it but it did seem there was a lot of goading, poking, pushing, pulling etc which McQuillan should have done a better job of. I know you're a ref and side with the red but it was a very poor reffing performance and I would tend to say not too much on refs. It was, like others have said, very inconsistent. I thought the foul he committed probably didn't merit a second yellow but it seemed like a cumulative thing and he knew himself.
Yeah there was definitely a foul by Kelly late in the first half as Errigal were breaking after he got the first yellow that I thought next one he's going off.
McCartan did get a yellow in the 2nd half for goading at Kelly
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 25, 2024, 02:12:08 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2024, 01:09:39 PMDidn't see the second half so not commentating on the sending off
But if you view it from three different views
Manager of the opposing team.. target him, if he gets a second yellow he's off, he gets wound up easy enough so might react to something and going into the final minutes of the game it gives us a huge advantage
Manager of CE... right we maybe need to take him off, I'd rather have 15 players on the pitch going into the final stages of this game, and they'll pick on him, so lets get him off before he's sent off
The player on the yellow... I've got to time it right, I must not react to this, I'll let the ref know that I'm being held or pulled or whatever (don't give off to him as that will have the opposite effect)
Was there other yellow cards given and were they targeted?
I honestly don't think I've watched a game where I've seen such an effort to deliberately wind up one particular player. He was just being poked, goaded, pulled prodded etc at the whole game. I don't know the perception of Kelly - definitely a very good footballer but I imagine he's maybe not the most disciplined and this is what was being targeted.
He fouled a lot and the first yellow was needless so ultimately he deserved it but it did seem there was a lot of goading, poking, pushing, pulling etc which McQuillan should have done a better job of. I know you're a ref and side with the ref but it was a very poor reffing performance and I would tend to say not too much on refs. It was, like others have said, very inconsistent. I thought the foul he committed probably didn't merit a second yellow but it seemed like a cumulative thing and he knew himself.
Mind a game about 6 months ago, Ciaran McFaul was targeted from the second he entered the field at Celtic Pk, for the life of me I can't mind who the opposition were... But it's part and parcel of the game
Quote from: JoG2 on November 25, 2024, 03:23:59 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on November 25, 2024, 02:12:08 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2024, 01:09:39 PMDidn't see the second half so not commentating on the sending off
But if you view it from three different views
Manager of the opposing team.. target him, if he gets a second yellow he's off, he gets wound up easy enough so might react to something and going into the final minutes of the game it gives us a huge advantage
Manager of CE... right we maybe need to take him off, I'd rather have 15 players on the pitch going into the final stages of this game, and they'll pick on him, so lets get him off before he's sent off
The player on the yellow... I've got to time it right, I must not react to this, I'll let the ref know that I'm being held or pulled or whatever (don't give off to him as that will have the opposite effect)
Was there other yellow cards given and were they targeted?
I honestly don't think I've watched a game where I've seen such an effort to deliberately wind up one particular player. He was just being poked, goaded, pulled prodded etc at the whole game. I don't know the perception of Kelly - definitely a very good footballer but I imagine he's maybe not the most disciplined and this is what was being targeted.
He fouled a lot and the first yellow was needless so ultimately he deserved it but it did seem there was a lot of goading, poking, pushing, pulling etc which McQuillan should have done a better job of. I know you're a ref and side with the ref but it was a very poor reffing performance and I would tend to say not too much on refs. It was, like others have said, very inconsistent. I thought the foul he committed probably didn't merit a second yellow but it seemed like a cumulative thing and he knew himself.
Mind a game about 6 months ago, Ciaran McFaul was targeted from the second he entered the field at Celtic Pk, for the life of me I can't mind who the opposition were... But it's part and parcel of the game
Absolutely and rightly so, wind the fella up surely, but book players doing the winding when they cross the line which wasn't happening yesterday
Ai it pretty much is.
Commiserations to CE, I missed the game and can only go on what I have read, but by all accounts EC rode their luck to get a result.
I think Enda McGinleys quote of "It was a day for Clann Eireann that nothing went for them really and we have to be realistic about that." probably sums it up.
Kilcoo put out a statement win against and experienced Scotstown team, and experience will most likely get them over the line in the final
They've rode their luck against the donegal and armagh champions but you need to take advantage when you get it. Cargin have been the only team they've beat beat comfortably throughout Tyrone and ulster
Pomeroy > Clonoe > Killyclogher > Trillick > St Eunan's > Cargin > Clann Eireann
Battle hardened coming through 7 rounds of knockout, nothing to fear going into the final
Scotstowns statement win vs Erne Gaels was no use to them at the weekend, nor is Kilcoo's revenge against Scotstown
Kilcoo have plenty of experience but discounting a team with 3 Cananvans Petey Harte and a host of senior and underage county experience would be foolish, personally I think Errigal will edge it
They will be well in the game at the bare minimum, can't see anyone winning by any more than 1-3 points.
Errigal 0-13 Pomeroy 2-4
Errigal 2-9 Clonoe 2-9
Errigal 0-14 Clonoe 0-11
Errigal 1-12 Killyclogher 2-8
Errigal 0-12 Trillick 1-8
Errigal 0-12 St Eunan's 0-10
Errigal 0-17 Cargin 0-9
Errigal 0-14 Clann Eireann 1-10
Cargin aside they are seriously battle hardened and will take great belief from overcoming these tight encounters. Having said that I think Kilcoo will know that if you can stop the Canavan's you are well on your way, but it's easier said than done I haven't seen it this year anyway.
Quote from: tiempo on November 25, 2024, 04:38:07 PMKilcoo have plenty of experience but discounting a team with 3 Cananvans Petey Harte and a host of senior and underage county experience would be foolish, personally I think Errigal will edge it
Kilcoo will drag Errigal Ciaran down to their level and beat them on experience. The two Canavans are classacts but CE (rightfully so) worried more about playing their own game than they did snuffing them out. On another day with a fair ref they'd have won with 2/3 to spare. EC also look suspect in the fullback line and struggle against direct ball in.
Kilcoo have the players, experience and gameplan to see this one out no matter what EC bring to the table.
Quote from: ClubScene13 on November 25, 2024, 04:47:29 PMThey will be well in the game at the bare minimum, can't see anyone winning by any more than 1-3 points.
Agree with this, talk of 4-5 point gap either way is unlikely
Which team has the best wildcard from the bench, maybe someone who isn't the first sub or 2 in, maybe someone we haven't seen yet? A veteran county man to do a bit of boxing around the middle or a bear in the square? Or a young whippersnapper that no-one knows anything about that could make hay for a spell?
Winter football and teams that are operating at a high level will mean theres unlikely to be much more than a kick of a ball either way. (Kilcoo vs Scotstown would be the exception not the rule). Will come down to the fine margins, a bit of luck and who shows up on the day.
Kilcoo probably slight favourites for me but EC have the talent to hurt them. There will definitely be big plans for the Canavans anyway- I'd say the abuse TK got will look like an underage game by the time Kilcoo are finished with them!
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 25, 2024, 05:02:32 PMWinter football and teams that are operating at a high level will mean theres unlikely to be much more than a kick of a ball either way. (Kilcoo vs Scotstown would be the exception not the rule). Will come down to the fine margins, a bit of luck and who shows up on the day.
Kilcoo probably slight favourites for me but EC have the talent to hurt them. There will definitely be big plans for the Canavans anyway- I'd say the abuse TK got will look like an underage game by the time Kilcoo are finished with them!
Kilcoo agree like many teams maybe in the past dished out verbals but not this team under Karl lacey. He has instilled a better level of discipline in this lot and his team can't be accussed of this s hite this year.
Tell that to the Carryduff lad Eugene Brannigan hit a box last year. Leopards, spots.
Just seen that TK tackle on tv there now. G that doesn't even look a yellow card!
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 25, 2024, 05:02:32 PMWinter football and teams that are operating at a high level will mean theres unlikely to be much more than a kick of a ball either way. (Kilcoo vs Scotstown would be the exception not the rule). Will come down to the fine margins, a bit of luck and who shows up on the day.
Kilcoo probably slight favourites for me but EC have the talent to hurt them. There will definitely be big plans for the Canavans anyway- I'd say the abuse TK got will look like an underage game by the time Kilcoo are finished with them!
What abuse did TK get? The man made about 14 fouls throughout game he was lucky to even be on the pitch at the time he was eventually sent off
The foul when seen again on tv just now was a very debatable card. Normally you could argue it was, but there were many many worse hits and tackles throughout the game which were not dealt with the same severity from McQuillan
In saying that, TK should have known he was in a knife edge - would he have made that rash tackle playing for Armagh?
2 minor frees will be a tick, a third of similar fashion will be a yellow, and it would generally follow that path until they warrant a red.
But yes that should still be same for both sets of players. Consistency
What did the EC 21 get who hit u man very late? I only see the replay of it, and not at the actual time.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 25, 2024, 06:40:14 PMWhat did the EC 21 get who hit u man very late? I only see the replay of it, and not at the actual time.
Sweet fa.
Quote from: Moonshine on November 25, 2024, 06:27:18 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 25, 2024, 05:02:32 PMWinter football and teams that are operating at a high level will mean theres unlikely to be much more than a kick of a ball either way. (Kilcoo vs Scotstown would be the exception not the rule). Will come down to the fine margins, a bit of luck and who shows up on the day.
Kilcoo probably slight favourites for me but EC have the talent to hurt them. There will definitely be big plans for the Canavans anyway- I'd say the abuse TK got will look like an underage game by the time Kilcoo are finished with them!
What abuse did TK get? The man made about 14 fouls throughout game he was lucky to even be on the pitch at the time he was eventually sent off
Dead on Joe
If the late hit had been given as a free CE would have had a tap over from where the ball landed and EC would not have got an easy turnover to launch an attack. Taken in isolation the two bookings do look harsh from TV pictures. But ref gets to see things once or not at all for the late hit, and sending off may have been for persistent fouling. Easy to blame him in a tight game but missed goal chance and the 45 sent wide show players make mistakes that can be equally as costly.
EC had two players who made a difference and won the game for them.
Quote from: gallsman on November 24, 2024, 04:52:35 PMQuote from: statto on November 24, 2024, 04:47:18 PMQuote from: gallsman on November 24, 2024, 04:43:12 PMMcQuillan did not cost CE that game, would you all ever catch yourselves on. The fouls on Darragh were fouls. At one stage he was grabbed and swung around 360 and one of you was whinging about him diving. Too many CE names didn't show up. Ruairi Canavan was the best player on the pitch by a distance.
Don't think EC will have the legs for Kilcoo's running.
The decision not too black card for the penalty was a massive call mcquillan got wrong.
1. Deliberately pull down an opponent.
2. Deliberately trip an opponent with the hand(s), arm, leg or foot.
3. Deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose
of taking him out of a movement of play.
4. Threaten or to use abusive or provocative language or gestures to an opponent or a teammate.
5. Remonstrate in an aggressive manner with a Match Official.
Go on then, which of these did McQuillan get wrong? Too many eejits banging on about rules they don't have the slightest clue about. Always the same with the square ball too. Someone was banging on about "a goalscoring opportunity" earlier FFS.
Just watched it back Daniel Magee turns his man heading towards goal after his shorts are pulled and goes to ground.The defender has no intention of doing anything other than take him out and pulls him by the shorts and he ends up on the ground.Surely a deliberate pull down on an opponent and the reason why the rule was brought in.
Pulls the shorts that's a definite and definite penalty. the lurgan celtic dive that followed was pathetic
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 25, 2024, 06:26:25 PMJust seen that TK tackle on tv there now. G that doesn't even look a yellow card!
It was arguably not a foul. Canavan slabbering to the ref for a Card after hitting the deck at 100mph and bouncing up again asking for a card
CE had the game up to then. Hate that shite so I turned it off as I knew CE were fucked without TK
Quote from: Armamike on November 25, 2024, 10:54:57 AMBitter enough defeat for Clann Eireann. Had it in their grasp to win it. The county players are probably sick of football at this stage of the year. Shouldn't be surprised by Joe McQuillan anymore. The Canavans are clinical with their shooting.
CE lost because of Dublin Joe in my opinion. Sin e
Quote from: statto on November 25, 2024, 09:09:32 PMQuote from: gallsman on November 24, 2024, 04:52:35 PMQuote from: statto on November 24, 2024, 04:47:18 PMQuote from: gallsman on November 24, 2024, 04:43:12 PMMcQuillan did not cost CE that game, would you all ever catch yourselves on. The fouls on Darragh were fouls. At one stage he was grabbed and swung around 360 and one of you was whinging about him diving. Too many CE names didn't show up. Ruairi Canavan was the best player on the pitch by a distance.
Don't think EC will have the legs for Kilcoo's running.
The decision not too black card for the penalty was a massive call mcquillan got wrong.
1. Deliberately pull down an opponent.
2. Deliberately trip an opponent with the hand(s), arm, leg or foot.
3. Deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose
of taking him out of a movement of play.
4. Threaten or to use abusive or provocative language or gestures to an opponent or a teammate.
5. Remonstrate in an aggressive manner with a Match Official.
Go on then, which of these did McQuillan get wrong? Too many eejits banging on about rules they don't have the slightest clue about. Always the same with the square ball too. Someone was banging on about "a goalscoring opportunity" earlier FFS.
Just watched it back Daniel Magee turns his man heading towards goal after his shorts are pulled and goes to ground.The defender has no intention of doing anything other than take him out and pulls him by the shorts and he ends up on the ground.Surely a deliberate pull down on an opponent and the reason why the rule was brought in.
Stop. Please stop.
You gota love the comments, better team won lads.
Sit back and enough the final
Quote from: Hereiam on November 25, 2024, 10:25:35 PMYou gota love the comments, better team won lads.
Sit back and enough the final
Yeah the gobshites, discussing a gaa match on gaaboard....
Quote from: Gold on November 25, 2024, 10:02:21 PMQuote from: Armamike on November 25, 2024, 10:54:57 AMBitter enough defeat for Clann Eireann. Had it in their grasp to win it. The county players are probably sick of football at this stage of the year. Shouldn't be surprised by Joe McQuillan anymore. The Canavans are clinical with their shooting.
CE lost because of Dublin Joe in my opinion. Sin e
Yes he most likely had an impact on the outcome due to rank incompetence, as bad as it gets at that level, needs put out to pasture
On another note, CE missed 1-3 in front of the posts in the first half, not clinical enough. And their kickout was demolished in the first half too
Christ almighty, big hard Armagh men getting pulled down to the ground by a tug on the shorts. Embarrassing stuff altogether.
If that was given as a black card against your team you'd be fuming.
Quote from: tiempo on November 25, 2024, 11:54:16 PMOn another note, CE missed 1-3 in front of the posts in the first half, not clinical enough. And their kickout was demolished in the first half too
That's it. The ref wasn't great, more through inconsistency than anything, but in tight games like that you have to take your scores and they didn't and EC, mainly Ruairi Canavan, did. That was the difference not the ref. The goal chance CE missed was great defending but if it was your own team who missed it you'd be raging.
Quote from: Gold on November 25, 2024, 10:02:21 PMQuote from: Armamike on November 25, 2024, 10:54:57 AMBitter enough defeat for Clann Eireann. Had it in their grasp to win it. The county players are probably sick of football at this stage of the year. Shouldn't be surprised by Joe McQuillan anymore. The Canavans are clinical with their shooting.
CE lost because of Dublin Joe in my opinion. Sin e
When the result doesn't go your way, blame anything and everything other than yourself.
This is the way.
Quote from: gallsman on November 26, 2024, 07:18:15 AMChrist almighty, big hard Armagh men getting pulled down to the ground by a tug on the shorts. Embarrassing stuff altogether.
If that was given as a black card against your team you'd be fuming.
Was it a deliberate pull down? Did Magee dive? What's actually embarrassing is that the ref didn't even issue a yellow card.
Quote from: general_lee on November 26, 2024, 08:21:02 AMQuote from: gallsman on November 26, 2024, 07:18:15 AMChrist almighty, big hard Armagh men getting pulled down to the ground by a tug on the shorts. Embarrassing stuff altogether.
If that was given as a black card against your team you'd be fuming.
Was it a deliberate pull down? Did Magee dive? What's actually embarrassing is that the ref didn't even issue a yellow card.
Quite simply...no. It wasn't a pull down, deliberate or otherwise.
See ones here complaining about EC players goading TK into making that challenge as if any other good team wouldn't do the exact same. It would almost be stupid for EC to not take advantage of the oppositions best player being on a yellow. I do think however Ben McDonnell and possible McCartan got away with potential yellow cards
Quote from: Mikhailov on November 25, 2024, 06:34:17 PMThe foul when seen again on tv just now was a very debatable card. Normally you could argue it was, but there were many many worse hits and tackles throughout the game which were not dealt with the same severity from McQuillan
In saying that, TK should have known he was in a knife edge - would he have made that rash tackle playing for Armagh?
The man stuck his fingers in Comers eye when he wasn't even playing. He's not exactly an angel
Quote from: thebigfullforward on November 26, 2024, 08:48:08 AMQuote from: Mikhailov on November 25, 2024, 06:34:17 PMThe foul when seen again on tv just now was a very debatable card. Normally you could argue it was, but there were many many worse hits and tackles throughout the game which were not dealt with the same severity from McQuillan
In saying that, TK should have known he was in a knife edge - would he have made that rash tackle playing for Armagh?
The man stuck his fingers in Comers eye when he wasn't even playing. He's not exactly an angel
Why would that be in any way relevant?
Quote from: thebigfullforward on November 26, 2024, 08:41:07 AMSee ones here complaining about EC players goading TK into making that challenge as if any other good team wouldn't do the exact same. It would almost be stupid for EC to not take advantage of the oppositions best player being on a yellow. I do think however Ben McDonnell and possible McCartan got away with potential yellow cards
No complaints about that, goad away and you'd expect CE to do the same if it was Peter Harte or whoever on the yellow card.
Problem is that 1. The second yellow wasn't even a foul nevermind a card and 2. All the EC fouls that should have been cards missed.
And on the penalty, any cynical challenge stopping a goal like that should be a black card offence, if the rules don't agree then change the rules.
Quote from: general_lee on November 26, 2024, 08:21:02 AMQuote from: gallsman on November 26, 2024, 07:18:15 AMChrist almighty, big hard Armagh men getting pulled down to the ground by a tug on the shorts. Embarrassing stuff altogether.
If that was given as a black card against your team you'd be fuming.
Was it a deliberate pull down? Did Magee dive? What's actually embarrassing is that the ref didn't even issue a yellow card.
The defender when Magee originally wins the ball tries to foul him, Magee gets away initially then the second tackle the defender is not close to the ball pulls his shorts and Magee goes to ground. Magee is one on one vs the keeper and has O'Shea directly across from him for a palm in goal so not sure why he would deliberately go to ground as what seems to be being suggested by other posters.
One CE left behind them, they can take away a good season retaining Armagh title and much improved performances in Ulster since 2021 when Derrygonelly beat them quite easily. Cross have also been poor in Ulster in their last few visits so good to see Armagh sides being competitive again. CE should be really looking at winning 2/3 Armagh titles in a row and giving ulster a real go given their age profile and with more youth coming through also.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on November 26, 2024, 08:25:43 AMQuote from: general_lee on November 26, 2024, 08:21:02 AMQuote from: gallsman on November 26, 2024, 07:18:15 AMChrist almighty, big hard Armagh men getting pulled down to the ground by a tug on the shorts. Embarrassing stuff altogether.
If that was given as a black card against your team you'd be fuming.
Was it a deliberate pull down? Did Magee dive? What's actually embarrassing is that the ref didn't even issue a yellow card.
Quite simply...no. It wasn't a pull down, deliberate or otherwise.
So it has to be a Cavanagh-esque rugby tackle to constitute a pull down?
"The second one wasn't even a foul"
Aye, dead on.
Quote from: statto on November 26, 2024, 09:07:52 AMOne CE left behind them, they can take away a good season retaining Armagh title and much improved performances in Ulster since 2021 when Derrygonelly beat them quite easily. Cross have also been poor in Ulster in their last few visits so good to see Armagh sides being competitive again. CE should be really looking at winning 2/3 Armagh titles in a row and giving ulster a real go given their age profile and with more youth coming through also.
If CE keep everyone fit & available they'll be favourites again for 2025.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 26, 2024, 09:02:16 AMQuote from: thebigfullforward on November 26, 2024, 08:41:07 AMSee ones here complaining about EC players goading TK into making that challenge as if any other good team wouldn't do the exact same. It would almost be stupid for EC to not take advantage of the oppositions best player being on a yellow. I do think however Ben McDonnell and possible McCartan got away with potential yellow cards
No complaints about that, goad away and you'd expect CE to do the same if it was Peter Harte or whoever on the yellow card.
Problem is that 1. The second yellow wasn't even a foul nevermind a card and 2. All the EC fouls that should have been cards missed.
And on the penalty, any cynical challenge stopping a goal like that should be a black card offence, if the rules don't agree then change the rules.
I didn't think it was a yellow at the game but watching it back I just can't see how it isn't. It might have been Canavan going at pace but TK seemed to just throw a lazy arm across Canavan's chest.
As I said I think McDonnell and McCartan could've got cards but not for any fouls, moreso for mouthing off to the officials which I think warrants a yellow but not sure. So will need to rewatch to see for any missed cards that could've been given if you can tell me what you think was missed.
On the penalty I'm not sure of the rules. I remember a Tyrone game (not sure year or opponent) where Kennedy or Kilpatrick was taken out of it and the ref gave a penalty no card. There's been plenty of club games where pens have been given but no black card given (think Carrickmore vs Edendork first round last year, Dungannon Trillick league game a year or 2 ago). Genuinely not sure what the rules are but it's happened before, it's not some grand conspiracy
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 26, 2024, 08:59:36 AMQuote from: thebigfullforward on November 26, 2024, 08:48:08 AMQuote from: Mikhailov on November 25, 2024, 06:34:17 PMThe foul when seen again on tv just now was a very debatable card. Normally you could argue it was, but there were many many worse hits and tackles throughout the game which were not dealt with the same severity from McQuillan
In saying that, TK should have known he was in a knife edge - would he have made that rash tackle playing for Armagh?
The man stuck his fingers in Comers eye when he wasn't even playing. He's not exactly an angel
Why would that be in any way relevant?
A dirty player would probably make that challenge for Armagh
Quote from: general_lee on November 26, 2024, 09:41:40 AMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on November 26, 2024, 08:25:43 AMQuote from: general_lee on November 26, 2024, 08:21:02 AMQuote from: gallsman on November 26, 2024, 07:18:15 AMChrist almighty, big hard Armagh men getting pulled down to the ground by a tug on the shorts. Embarrassing stuff altogether.
If that was given as a black card against your team you'd be fuming.
Was it a deliberate pull down? Did Magee dive? What's actually embarrassing is that the ref didn't even issue a yellow card.
Quite simply...no. It wasn't a pull down, deliberate or otherwise.
So it has to be a Cavanagh-esque rugby tackle to constitute a pull down?
Magee threw himself to the ground to highlight the foul. You know this. Continuing to pretend that you believe he was dragged down is, frankly, embarrassing. It was not a black card offence.
Quote from: thebigfullforward on November 26, 2024, 09:51:16 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 26, 2024, 09:02:16 AMQuote from: thebigfullforward on November 26, 2024, 08:41:07 AMSee ones here complaining about EC players goading TK into making that challenge as if any other good team wouldn't do the exact same. It would almost be stupid for EC to not take advantage of the oppositions best player being on a yellow. I do think however Ben McDonnell and possible McCartan got away with potential yellow cards
No complaints about that, goad away and you'd expect CE to do the same if it was Peter Harte or whoever on the yellow card.
Problem is that 1. The second yellow wasn't even a foul nevermind a card and 2. All the EC fouls that should have been cards missed.
And on the penalty, any cynical challenge stopping a goal like that should be a black card offence, if the rules don't agree then change the rules.
I didn't think it was a yellow at the game but watching it back I just can't see how it isn't. It might have been Canavan going at pace but TK seemed to just throw a lazy arm across Canavan's chest.
As I said I think McDonnell and McCartan could've got cards but not for any fouls, moreso for mouthing off to the officials which I think warrants a yellow but not sure. So will need to rewatch to see for any missed cards that could've been given if you can tell me what you think was missed.
On the penalty I'm not sure of the rules. I remember a Tyrone game (not sure year or opponent) where Kennedy or Kilpatrick was taken out of it and the ref gave a penalty no card. There's been plenty of club games where pens have been given but no black card given (think Carrickmore vs Edendork first round last year, Dungannon Trillick league game a year or 2 ago). Genuinely not sure what the rules are but it's happened before, it's not some grand conspiracy
Black card, has been for 10 years
It's not as straightforward as that. It needs to be "in an aggressive manner". What's that and who decides it?
Quote from: general_lee on November 26, 2024, 09:41:40 AMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on November 26, 2024, 08:25:43 AMQuote from: general_lee on November 26, 2024, 08:21:02 AMQuote from: gallsman on November 26, 2024, 07:18:15 AMChrist almighty, big hard Armagh men getting pulled down to the ground by a tug on the shorts. Embarrassing stuff altogether.
If that was given as a black card against your team you'd be fuming.
Was it a deliberate pull down? Did Magee dive? What's actually embarrassing is that the ref didn't even issue a yellow card.
Quite simply...no. It wasn't a pull down, deliberate or otherwise.
So it has to be a Cavanagh-esque rugby tackle to constitute a pull down?
It needs to be a pull down. This one clearly wasn't one.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on November 26, 2024, 10:46:31 AMIt's not as straightforward as that. It needs to be "in an aggressive manner". What's that and who decides it?
The ref. If a player runs towards a referee (as in goes out of his way) to complain into his face, that's aggressive
I think anyone raising their voice in an aggressive manner to any official needs to get a black card, I've done it a few times and each occasion was done because of multiple times of a player was giving off about a decision made, questioning a call its moving the ball forward but there is only so much ya can take and it cuts out the yapping
Quote from: gallsman on November 26, 2024, 10:01:04 AMQuote from: general_lee on November 26, 2024, 09:41:40 AMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on November 26, 2024, 08:25:43 AMQuote from: general_lee on November 26, 2024, 08:21:02 AMQuote from: gallsman on November 26, 2024, 07:18:15 AMChrist almighty, big hard Armagh men getting pulled down to the ground by a tug on the shorts. Embarrassing stuff altogether.
If that was given as a black card against your team you'd be fuming.
Was it a deliberate pull down? Did Magee dive? What's actually embarrassing is that the ref didn't even issue a yellow card.
Quite simply...no. It wasn't a pull down, deliberate or otherwise.
So it has to be a Cavanagh-esque rugby tackle to constitute a pull down?
Magee threw himself to the ground to highlight the foul. You know this. Continuing to pretend that you believe he was dragged down is, frankly, embarrassing. It was not a black card offence.
That's some reach. I haven't said he was dragged down anywhere (I have asked - there is such ambiguity in the rules it's hard to tell sometimes)
He was pulled by the shorts which constitutes bodily contact and therefore a yellow card for EC. How the ref can give TK a second yellow but not the EC defender in this instance is puzzling.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on November 26, 2024, 10:46:31 AMIt's not as straightforward as that. It needs to be "in an aggressive manner". What's that and who decides it?
It's couldn't be any more straight forward
Quote from: general_lee on November 26, 2024, 11:13:30 AMQuote from: gallsman on November 26, 2024, 10:01:04 AMQuote from: general_lee on November 26, 2024, 09:41:40 AMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on November 26, 2024, 08:25:43 AMQuote from: general_lee on November 26, 2024, 08:21:02 AMQuote from: gallsman on November 26, 2024, 07:18:15 AMChrist almighty, big hard Armagh men getting pulled down to the ground by a tug on the shorts. Embarrassing stuff altogether.
If that was given as a black card against your team you'd be fuming.
Was it a deliberate pull down? Did Magee dive? What's actually embarrassing is that the ref didn't even issue a yellow card.
Quite simply...no. It wasn't a pull down, deliberate or otherwise.
So it has to be a Cavanagh-esque rugby tackle to constitute a pull down?
Magee threw himself to the ground to highlight the foul. You know this. Continuing to pretend that you believe he was dragged down is, frankly, embarrassing. It was not a black card offence.
That's some reach. I haven't said he was dragged down anywhere (I have asked - there is such ambiguity in the rules it's hard to tell sometimes)
He was pulled by the shorts which constitutes bodily contact and therefore a yellow card for EC. How the ref can give TK a second yellow but not the EC defender in this instance is puzzling.
5.5 To hold an opponent with the hand(s).
PENALTY FOR THE ABOVE FOULS-
(i) Free kick from where the foul occurred except
as provided under Exceptions of Rule 2.2.
(ii)
Caution offender for committing any of the
above fouls a second time. Order off for a
further repetition or for other cautionable foul.
Quote from: lfdown2 on November 26, 2024, 11:36:00 AMQuote from: general_lee on November 26, 2024, 11:13:30 AMQuote from: gallsman on November 26, 2024, 10:01:04 AMQuote from: general_lee on November 26, 2024, 09:41:40 AMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on November 26, 2024, 08:25:43 AMQuote from: general_lee on November 26, 2024, 08:21:02 AMQuote from: gallsman on November 26, 2024, 07:18:15 AMChrist almighty, big hard Armagh men getting pulled down to the ground by a tug on the shorts. Embarrassing stuff altogether.
If that was given as a black card against your team you'd be fuming.
Was it a deliberate pull down? Did Magee dive? What's actually embarrassing is that the ref didn't even issue a yellow card.
Quite simply...no. It wasn't a pull down, deliberate or otherwise.
So it has to be a Cavanagh-esque rugby tackle to constitute a pull down?
Magee threw himself to the ground to highlight the foul. You know this. Continuing to pretend that you believe he was dragged down is, frankly, embarrassing. It was not a black card offence.
That's some reach. I haven't said he was dragged down anywhere (I have asked - there is such ambiguity in the rules it's hard to tell sometimes)
He was pulled by the shorts which constitutes bodily contact and therefore a yellow card for EC. How the ref can give TK a second yellow but not the EC defender in this instance is puzzling.
5.5 To hold an opponent with the hand(s).
PENALTY FOR THE ABOVE FOULS-
(i) Free kick from where the foul occurred except
as provided under Exceptions of Rule 2.2.
(ii) Caution offender for committing any of the
above fouls a second time. Order off for a
further repetition or for other cautionable foul.
Good man ;)
Quote from: lfdown2 on November 26, 2024, 11:36:00 AMQuote from: general_lee on November 26, 2024, 11:13:30 AMQuote from: gallsman on November 26, 2024, 10:01:04 AMQuote from: general_lee on November 26, 2024, 09:41:40 AMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on November 26, 2024, 08:25:43 AMQuote from: general_lee on November 26, 2024, 08:21:02 AMQuote from: gallsman on November 26, 2024, 07:18:15 AMChrist almighty, big hard Armagh men getting pulled down to the ground by a tug on the shorts. Embarrassing stuff altogether.
If that was given as a black card against your team you'd be fuming.
Was it a deliberate pull down? Did Magee dive? What's actually embarrassing is that the ref didn't even issue a yellow card.
Quite simply...no. It wasn't a pull down, deliberate or otherwise.
So it has to be a Cavanagh-esque rugby tackle to constitute a pull down?
Magee threw himself to the ground to highlight the foul. You know this. Continuing to pretend that you believe he was dragged down is, frankly, embarrassing. It was not a black card offence.
That's some reach. I haven't said he was dragged down anywhere (I have asked - there is such ambiguity in the rules it's hard to tell sometimes)
He was pulled by the shorts which constitutes bodily contact and therefore a yellow card for EC. How the ref can give TK a second yellow but not the EC defender in this instance is puzzling.
5.5 To hold an opponent with the hand(s).
PENALTY FOR THE ABOVE FOULS-
(i) Free kick from where the foul occurred except
as provided under Exceptions of Rule 2.2.
(ii) Caution offender for committing any of the
above fouls a second time. Order off for a
further repetition or for other cautionable foul.
There we go then. Referee actually got it right lads
Imagine that, lads on this thread whinging about the ref making mistakes while completely ignorant of the rules themselves.
And regardless of anything that happened with the ref, CE had it in their gift to win that game. The crying about McQuillan is pathetic. I can't imagine too many of their star players who didn't turn up are screaming about how it was all his fault.
We lost a Leinster QF a few weeks ago by a point after a ref gave a 65th minute free against us in front of the posts for what, at the time and on replay, was clearly a perfectly fair shoulder charge. It's frustrating and infuriating, but we were 4 points up at half time, having played against the wind and should have won out handily enough. That's what cost us the game, not the ref.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2024, 10:57:24 AMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on November 26, 2024, 10:46:31 AMIt's not as straightforward as that. It needs to be "in an aggressive manner". What's that and who decides it?
The ref. If a player runs towards a referee (as in goes out of his way) to complain into his face, that's aggressive
I think anyone raising their voice in an aggressive manner to any official needs to get a black card, I've done it a few times and each occasion was done because of multiple times of a player was giving off about a decision made, questioning a call its moving the ball forward but there is only so much ya can take and it cuts out the yapping
Exactly. And as the rest of your post shows, refs are left to make it up as they go along.
It mightn't be aggressive, it might be constant complaining (though that isn't mentioned in the rules). How many times is multiple? Every ref is going to have a different threshold of what constitutes aggressive and constant. It is hard to have any consistency with that.
As I say, it is not straightforward.
Jeez Armagh wans whinging, who would have thought it
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on November 26, 2024, 12:53:27 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2024, 10:57:24 AMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on November 26, 2024, 10:46:31 AMIt's not as straightforward as that. It needs to be "in an aggressive manner". What's that and who decides it?
The ref. If a player runs towards a referee (as in goes out of his way) to complain into his face, that's aggressive
I think anyone raising their voice in an aggressive manner to any official needs to get a black card, I've done it a few times and each occasion was done because of multiple times of a player was giving off about a decision made, questioning a call its moving the ball forward but there is only so much ya can take and it cuts out the yapping
Exactly. And as the rest of your post shows, refs are left to make it up as they go along.
It mightn't be aggressive, it might be constant complaining (though that isn't mentioned in the rules). How many times is multiple? Every ref is going to have a different threshold of what constitutes aggressive and constant. It is hard to have any consistency with that.
As I say, it is not straightforward.
I'd be happy with zero
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2024, 01:09:23 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on November 26, 2024, 12:53:27 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2024, 10:57:24 AMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on November 26, 2024, 10:46:31 AMIt's not as straightforward as that. It needs to be "in an aggressive manner". What's that and who decides it?
The ref. If a player runs towards a referee (as in goes out of his way) to complain into his face, that's aggressive
I think anyone raising their voice in an aggressive manner to any official needs to get a black card, I've done it a few times and each occasion was done because of multiple times of a player was giving off about a decision made, questioning a call its moving the ball forward but there is only so much ya can take and it cuts out the yapping
Exactly. And as the rest of your post shows, refs are left to make it up as they go along.
It mightn't be aggressive, it might be constant complaining (though that isn't mentioned in the rules). How many times is multiple? Every ref is going to have a different threshold of what constitutes aggressive and constant. It is hard to have any consistency with that.
As I say, it is not straightforward.
I'd be happy with zero
Zero is plenty and equip refs with a recording device so that any particularly abusive comments can be referred on and longer suspensions imposed.
Quote from: Would ye whist on November 26, 2024, 01:05:30 PMJeez Armagh wans whinging, who would have thought it
This thread inspired me to break a decade long hiatus from the board because I had forgotten just how much Armagh ones on the internet can whinge! Hadn't heard much out of them for years to the point that I was cheering for them lately ;D
It was a good game of football and I think Kelly's second yellow was soft, but he was walking a tight rope with a few fouls and there's always a likelihood that might happen. There wasn't much between the teams but Ruairi Canavan's quality meant Errigal probably deserved it on balance. A performance like that in bad conditions is special and I'm glad we get to see him again in the final.
That said, I don't think Errigal have enough of a dog in them to beat Kilcoo, in what will probably be a hateful game.
...and a good post to return with in fairness! (Although I would have some sympathy with the Armagh posters with regards to the diving and theatrics of the canavans - outstanding footballers but definitely an asterisk there for me personally with the con act)
Just rewatching the game here now on TG4 and before half time TK must have given away 4 fouls after picking up his first yellow as well as throwing R. Canavan to the ground on the 29th minute (not much to it but still tells you what you need to know). That's not counting the foul on Harte at the very start of the second half. So within 35 mins odd he's got a yellow and committed another 4/5 fouls on top of it. It might have been a soft enough yellow but he can have no complaints after all that and in fairness he didn't give out to the ref when he was lined. Must have known he was on the edge. Would like for all the Armagh ones to watch and tell that he didn't deserve to go with all the fouling he did
Quote from: thebigfullforward on November 26, 2024, 04:55:11 PMJust rewatching the game here now on TG4 and before half time TK must have given away 4 fouls after picking up his first yellow as well as throwing R. Canavan to the ground on the 29th minute (not much to it but still tells you what you need to know). That's not counting the foul on Harte at the very start of the second half. So within 35 mins odd he's got a yellow and committed another 4/5 fouls on top of it. It might have been a soft enough yellow but he can have no complaints after all that and in fairness he didn't give out to the ref when he was lined. Must have known he was on the edge. Would like for all the Armagh ones to watch and tell that he didn't deserve to go with all the fouling he did
What happened more, Kelly fouling or Canavans going to ground for any form of contact?
They should host the final in a swimming pool, with the amount of diving & play-acting that is going to happen.
Quote from: DeasBéalFeirste on November 26, 2024, 04:26:44 PMQuote from: Would ye whist on November 26, 2024, 01:05:30 PMJeez Armagh wans whinging, who would have thought it
This thread inspired me to break a decade long hiatus from the board because I had forgotten just how much Armagh ones on the internet can whinge! Hadn't heard much out of them for years to the point that I was cheering for them lately ;D
It was a good game of football and I think Kelly's second yellow was soft, but he was walking a tight rope with a few fouls and there's always a likelihood that might happen. There wasn't much between the teams but Ruairi Canavan's quality meant Errigal probably deserved it on balance. A performance like that in bad conditions is special and I'm glad we get to see him again in the final.
That said, I don't think Errigal have enough of a dog in them to beat Kilcoo, in what will probably be a hateful game.
I don't think they're short in that department.
Quote from: Sportacus on November 26, 2024, 06:15:30 PMQuote from: DeasBéalFeirste on November 26, 2024, 04:26:44 PMQuote from: Would ye whist on November 26, 2024, 01:05:30 PMJeez Armagh wans whinging, who would have thought it
This thread inspired me to break a decade long hiatus from the board because I had forgotten just how much Armagh ones on the internet can whinge! Hadn't heard much out of them for years to the point that I was cheering for them lately ;D
It was a good game of football and I think Kelly's second yellow was soft, but he was walking a tight rope with a few fouls and there's always a likelihood that might happen. There wasn't much between the teams but Ruairi Canavan's quality meant Errigal probably deserved it on balance. A performance like that in bad conditions is special and I'm glad we get to see him again in the final.
That said, I don't think Errigal have enough of a dog in them to beat Kilcoo, in what will probably be a hateful game.
I don't think they're short in that department.
Probably not on Kilcoos level though!
Quote from: Sportacus on November 26, 2024, 06:15:30 PMQuote from: DeasBéalFeirste on November 26, 2024, 04:26:44 PMQuote from: Would ye whist on November 26, 2024, 01:05:30 PMJeez Armagh wans whinging, who would have thought it
This thread inspired me to break a decade long hiatus from the board because I had forgotten just how much Armagh ones on the internet can whinge! Hadn't heard much out of them for years to the point that I was cheering for them lately ;D
It was a good game of football and I think Kelly's second yellow was soft, but he was walking a tight rope with a few fouls and there's always a likelihood that might happen. There wasn't much between the teams but Ruairi Canavan's quality meant Errigal probably deserved it on balance. A performance like that in bad conditions is special and I'm glad we get to see him again in the final.
That said, I don't think Errigal have enough of a dog in them to beat Kilcoo, in what will probably be a hateful game.
I don't think they're short in that department.
Maybe you're right, but I thought the criticism of them in recent years was that they were too nice and couldn't be relied on to win the hard way. The only thing is Kilcoo had a great semi-final performance and often that can be hard to replicate in a final.
Quote from: thebigfullforward on November 26, 2024, 04:55:11 PMJust rewatching the game here now on TG4 and before half time TK must have given away 4 fouls after picking up his first yellow as well as throwing R. Canavan to the ground on the 29th minute (not much to it but still tells you what you need to know). That's not counting the foul on Harte at the very start of the second half. So within 35 mins odd he's got a yellow and committed another 4/5 fouls on top of it. It might have been a soft enough yellow but he can have no complaints after all that and in fairness he didn't give out to the ref when he was lined. Must have known he was on the edge. Would like for all the Armagh ones to watch and tell that he didn't deserve to go with all the fouling he did
Will hold my hands up and say
I didnt notice the other fouls he made and was judging the red on the second yellow card offence alone. However, my issue with the ref wasnt the decisions he made, rather the ones he didnt.
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 27, 2024, 07:58:10 AMQuote from: thebigfullforward on November 26, 2024, 04:55:11 PMJust rewatching the game here now on TG4 and before half time TK must have given away 4 fouls after picking up his first yellow as well as throwing R. Canavan to the ground on the 29th minute (not much to it but still tells you what you need to know). That's not counting the foul on Harte at the very start of the second half. So within 35 mins odd he's got a yellow and committed another 4/5 fouls on top of it. It might have been a soft enough yellow but he can have no complaints after all that and in fairness he didn't give out to the ref when he was lined. Must have known he was on the edge. Would like for all the Armagh ones to watch and tell that he didn't deserve to go with all the fouling he did
Will hold my hands up and say
I didnt notice the other fouls he made and was judging the red on the second yellow card offence alone. However, my issue with the ref wasnt the decisions he made, rather the ones he didnt.
Take off the rose tinted glasses the man accumulated about 14 fouls so there is no excuse really. He got what he eventually deserved.
As for the ref the decisions he made both ways was poor. For anyone to say he went against CE clearly weren't at the game.
Quote from: Moonshine on November 27, 2024, 12:19:20 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on November 27, 2024, 07:58:10 AMQuote from: thebigfullforward on November 26, 2024, 04:55:11 PMJust rewatching the game here now on TG4 and before half time TK must have given away 4 fouls after picking up his first yellow as well as throwing R. Canavan to the ground on the 29th minute (not much to it but still tells you what you need to know). That's not counting the foul on Harte at the very start of the second half. So within 35 mins odd he's got a yellow and committed another 4/5 fouls on top of it. It might have been a soft enough yellow but he can have no complaints after all that and in fairness he didn't give out to the ref when he was lined. Must have known he was on the edge. Would like for all the Armagh ones to watch and tell that he didn't deserve to go with all the fouling he did
Will hold my hands up and say
I didnt notice the other fouls he made and was judging the red on the second yellow card offence alone. However, my issue with the ref wasnt the decisions he made, rather the ones he didnt.
Take off the rose tinted glasses the man accumulated about 14 fouls so there is no excuse really. He got what he eventually deserved.
As for the ref the decisions he made both ways was poor. For anyone to say he went against CE clearly weren't at the game.
LOL. Read my post again
Quote from: 5times5times on November 26, 2024, 05:48:07 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on November 26, 2024, 04:55:11 PMJust rewatching the game here now on TG4 and before half time TK must have given away 4 fouls after picking up his first yellow as well as throwing R. Canavan to the ground on the 29th minute (not much to it but still tells you what you need to know). That's not counting the foul on Harte at the very start of the second half. So within 35 mins odd he's got a yellow and committed another 4/5 fouls on top of it. It might have been a soft enough yellow but he can have no complaints after all that and in fairness he didn't give out to the ref when he was lined. Must have known he was on the edge. Would like for all the Armagh ones to watch and tell that he didn't deserve to go with all the fouling he did
What happened more, Kelly fouling or Canavans going to ground for any form of contact?
They should host the final in a swimming pool, with the amount of diving & play-acting that is going to happen.
Can you give me time stamps so I can see what dives you're talking about. You'll say the TK second yellow but every single player would go down if they were hit like that. Any other instances?
Quote from: thebigfullforward on November 26, 2024, 04:55:11 PMJust rewatching the game here now on TG4 and before half time TK must have given away 4 fouls after picking up his first yellow as well as throwing R. Canavan to the ground on the 29th minute (not much to it but still tells you what you need to know). That's not counting the foul on Harte at the very start of the second half. So within 35 mins odd he's got a yellow and committed another 4/5 fouls on top of it. It might have been a soft enough yellow but he can have no complaints after all that and in fairness he didn't give out to the ref when he was lined. Must have known he was on the edge. Would like for all the Armagh ones to watch and tell that he didn't deserve to go with all the fouling he did
As an Armagh wan, TK was definitely going to go as he was reckless with his tackling. My two gripes about Joe are as always around his lack of consistency and he bought the diving from the Canavans on more than 1 occasion. Could also have issued EC with a couple of black cards. Turbitt was a disappointment and in the end Clann Eireann's wastefulness cost them. If that had been Armagh TK would have been hooked shortly into the second half. It is easy to say the Ruairi Lavery should have subbed him, but he is a big player and had he been subbed and CE beaten Lavery would have been pounded.
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 28, 2024, 11:42:50 AMQuote from: thebigfullforward on November 26, 2024, 04:55:11 PMJust rewatching the game here now on TG4 and before half time TK must have given away 4 fouls after picking up his first yellow as well as throwing R. Canavan to the ground on the 29th minute (not much to it but still tells you what you need to know). That's not counting the foul on Harte at the very start of the second half. So within 35 mins odd he's got a yellow and committed another 4/5 fouls on top of it. It might have been a soft enough yellow but he can have no complaints after all that and in fairness he didn't give out to the ref when he was lined. Must have known he was on the edge. Would like for all the Armagh ones to watch and tell that he didn't deserve to go with all the fouling he did
As an Armagh wan, TK was definitely going to go as he was reckless with his tackling. My two gripes about Joe are as always around his lack of consistency and he bought the diving from the Canavans on more than 1 occasion. Could also have issued EC with a couple of black cards. Turbitt was a disappointment and in the end Clann Eireann's wastefulness cost them. If that had been Armagh TK would have been hooked shortly into the second half. It is easy to say the Ruairi Lavery should have subbed him, but he is a big player and had he been subbed and CE beaten Lavery would have been pounded.
CE options from the bench were also reduced due to the fact Owens was unavailable, Sean McCarthy went off injured and John Magee was not in the country so there would have been a big drop off in terms of what TK brings to CE. CE are an excellent side but the one area I would say that lack real depth is in the middle of the field.
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 28, 2024, 11:42:50 AMQuote from: thebigfullforward on November 26, 2024, 04:55:11 PMJust rewatching the game here now on TG4 and before half time TK must have given away 4 fouls after picking up his first yellow as well as throwing R. Canavan to the ground on the 29th minute (not much to it but still tells you what you need to know). That's not counting the foul on Harte at the very start of the second half. So within 35 mins odd he's got a yellow and committed another 4/5 fouls on top of it. It might have been a soft enough yellow but he can have no complaints after all that and in fairness he didn't give out to the ref when he was lined. Must have known he was on the edge. Would like for all the Armagh ones to watch and tell that he didn't deserve to go with all the fouling he did
As an Armagh wan, TK was definitely going to go as he was reckless with his tackling. My two gripes about Joe are as always around his lack of consistency and he bought the diving from the Canavans on more than 1 occasion. Could also have issued EC with a couple of black cards. Turbitt was a disappointment and in the end Clann Eireann's wastefulness cost them. If that had been Armagh TK would have been hooked shortly into the second half. It is easy to say the Ruairi Lavery should have subbed him, but he is a big player and had he been subbed and CE beaten Lavery would have been pounded.
Asked someone else but got no reply, would like examples of the Canavans going to ground too easy other than the TK red where they got frees for it
Clann E lost the game in the build up. You can go to Miami anytime, However, you might only get one chance to play for your club in an Ulster final.
Watched the game back and agree that TK's tackling was consistently poor and he got the line for an accumulation of persistent fouls. He can have no complaints.
No doubting the Canavans talent but Apple is definitely not falling far from the tree regarding the diving and feigning.
Intriguing final ahead of us. Kilcoo are in serious shape physically and don't think there's another club team in Ireland with their pace and power.
However, I think they might ne a little undercooked by way of whom they've played thus far. Walked through Down without a glove laid on them (when are Burren going to man up?) and then struggled with crosserlough and a very poorly drilled Scotstown. Errigal have been spluttering through Tyrone and now ulster, surviving on the scoring prowess of the 3 Canavans. A massive prize at stake as the winners will be hard to stop in All Ireland series given what's left in the competition. Hobsons choice but kilcoo to shade it!
Kilcoo's last game was a revenge mission for 2023, they were perfectly aroused, its often hard to hit that mark twice in a row, the final boils down to who wants it most and it might be Errigal with their lack of Ulster and AI medals that prevails
You been reading Mills&Boon again Tiempo?
Quote from: tiempo on November 28, 2024, 02:30:32 PMKilcoo's last game was a revenge mission for 2023, they were perfectly aroused, its often hard to hit that mark twice in a row, the final boils down to who wants it most and it might be Errigal with their lack of Ulster and AI medals that prevails
They've 2 Ulster titles? for a relatively young club they've done rightly? Considering the obvious ;D
Took the +2 on EC
Should be tight game
Classy bit of goading there. Why can't lads just be happy they've scored
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on December 08, 2024, 03:36:16 PMClassy bit of goading there. Why can't lads just be happy they've scored
They're from Tyrone what do you expect?
Lucky that wasn't black
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 08, 2024, 03:37:26 PMLucky that wasn't black
How is that not a black card???
And never mind the square ball goal
Quote from: FermGael on December 08, 2024, 03:38:18 PMAnd never mind the square ball goal
Thought it was myself. TV didn't show wide angle replay to confirm
Quote from: general_lee on December 08, 2024, 03:37:06 PMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on December 08, 2024, 03:36:16 PMClassy bit of goading there. Why can't lads just be happy they've scored
They're from Tyrone what do you expect?
Didn't wana go there so soon 🤭
Two teams very bad at goading. Match will be littered with it I suspect...
I cheered the goal in as if I was from the Ballygawley roundabout.
But it was definitely a square ball, no matter what rules anyone dreams up.
EC showing a cynical side already. They need to tread carefully. They'll never beat Kilcoo with 14 men. Never. Ever.
Quote from: Nanderson on December 08, 2024, 03:39:51 PMQuote from: FermGael on December 08, 2024, 03:38:18 PMAnd never mind the square ball goal
Thought it was myself. TV didn't show wide angle replay to confirm
I rewinded it. Definitely a square ball
Even early on I think ec striking to break them down.
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on December 08, 2024, 03:38:11 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on December 08, 2024, 03:37:26 PMLucky that wasn't black
How is that not a black card???
Probably just because of how early it was. Proper bear hug drag down wasn't it.
Quote from: AustinPowers on December 08, 2024, 03:42:30 PMQuote from: Nanderson on December 08, 2024, 03:39:51 PMQuote from: FermGael on December 08, 2024, 03:38:18 PMAnd never mind the square ball goal
Thought it was myself. TV didn't show wide angle replay to confirm
I rewinded it. Definitely a square ball
Do umpires have any power to definitively call a square ball or can they only intervene if asked by the referee?
Square ball
Not a black card
Players goading should be booked
Kilcoo playing the better football
Who's the ref?
He's showing a usually high tolerance for aggressive tackling so far.
I applaud.
Quote from: thewobbler on December 08, 2024, 03:47:13 PMWho's the ref?
He's showing a usually high tolerance for aggressive tackling so far.
I applaud.
That'll solve more problems than any rule changes tbh.
Quote from: Nanderson on December 08, 2024, 03:46:09 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on December 08, 2024, 03:42:30 PMQuote from: Nanderson on December 08, 2024, 03:39:51 PMQuote from: FermGael on December 08, 2024, 03:38:18 PMAnd never mind the square ball goal
Thought it was myself. TV didn't show wide angle replay to confirm
I rewinded it. Definitely a square ball
Do umpires have any power to definitively call a square ball or can they only intervene if asked by the referee?
They've never had any involvement but if the ref blows his whistle without giving a decision and goes in for a chat, he can over turn it, but it wouldn't be just an umpires call.
Tbf the ref was actually in a better position than the umpires to call that
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 08, 2024, 03:43:56 PMQuote from: Armaghtothebone on December 08, 2024, 03:38:11 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on December 08, 2024, 03:37:26 PMLucky that wasn't black
How is that not a black card???
Probably just because of how early it was. Proper bear hug drag down wasn't it.
No, the foul was for over the should attempt to play the ball, which will generally result in a foul and the momentum will have the player falling. If it was for the tackle that resulted in the keeper scoring
Big swing there with the goal ruled out Kilcoo down and get a point
Must have got word he gave the first goal wrongly ;D
Never a free there!
Today the day for a Tyrone club to win a Ulster senior title for the first time in 22 years?
Not sure how EC have gone in level there
Half time Errigal Ciaran 1-3 Kilcoo 0-06. Plenty of talking points in that 1st half.
Errigal will be the happier of the 2 teams so far.
Ref doing a good job, called the square ball and letting the game flow
Replay of the first goal there, lad was so long in the square it embarrassing. How was not seen by the ref or at least checked with umpires.
Called a square ball that was debatable, didn't call one that was blatant ;D
Letting it go as much as possible though. It hasn't been anywhere near as niggly as I thought it would be.
Did Canavan not go over his knee into a space which simply wasn't there!
Quote from: clarshack on December 08, 2024, 04:06:54 PMErrigal will be the happier of the 2 teams so far.
Happy that it's all square for sure. Not sure they'll be overly happy with their performance.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 08, 2024, 04:11:04 PMDid Canavan not go over his knee into a space which simply wasn't there!
When he was triple teamed? He lunged forward to get the handpass away, don't think Brannigan tripped him. Was fouled as he came out to pick it up
Quote from: thewobbler on December 08, 2024, 03:41:39 PMI cheered the goal in as if I was from the Ballygawley roundabout.
But it was definitely a square ball, no matter what rules anyone dreams up.
EC showing a cynical side already. They need to tread carefully. They'll never beat Kilcoo with 14 men. Never. Ever.
You sir are a disgrace to our county
Peter Harte was fouled about 5 different times there before he finally have a free the other way for nothing.
Kilcoo going after the balls in the 2nd half.
Johnston with two blatant boxes at Darragh. f**k they're some tramps.
Starting to heat up. Ryan Johnston been targeted all match, now on a yellow.
Quote from: ONARAGGATIP on December 08, 2024, 04:19:24 PMQuote from: thewobbler on December 08, 2024, 03:41:39 PMI cheered the goal in as if I was from the Ballygawley roundabout.
But it was definitely a square ball, no matter what rules anyone dreams up.
EC showing a cynical side already. They need to tread carefully. They'll never beat Kilcoo with 14 men. Never. Ever.
You sir are a disgrace to our county
You think everyone in Down is cheering for Kilcoo ? !
2 unlikeable teams!
Quote from: gallsman on December 08, 2024, 04:23:46 PMJohnston with two blatant boxes at Darragh. f**k they're some tramps.
Couldn't hit that wee huer hard enough in fairness.
Kilcoo should be down to 14 , take your pick off which one of a couple of players should be off.
EC tackling quality has been poor and made it easy for Kilcoo, their kick out has been awful:
Johnston was been fouled. But u can't swing a box like that, red on another day if a linesman sees it.
2 nasty teams.
Kilcoo best player gone. Didn't see what happened on replays.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 08, 2024, 04:28:18 PMJohnston was been fouled. But u can't swing a box like that, red on another day if a linesman sees it.
Yes it's the second part of your post that matters there FFS. The fact he was being fouled is completely irrelevant.
Thoroughly deserved red for Brannigan there.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 08, 2024, 04:31:07 PMKilcoo best player gone. Didn't see what happened on replays.
Went head hunting with shoulder/raised arm.
Red all day .. Brannigan high shoulder to the head. Knew what he was doing...
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 08, 2024, 04:31:07 PMKilcoo best player gone. Didn't see what happened on replays.
Elbow to the head. Definitely a Red
Quote from: ONARAGGATIP on December 08, 2024, 04:19:24 PMQuote from: thewobbler on December 08, 2024, 03:41:39 PMI cheered the goal in as if I was from the Ballygawley roundabout.
But it was definitely a square ball, no matter what rules anyone dreams up.
EC showing a cynical side already. They need to tread carefully. They'll never beat Kilcoo with 14 men. Never. Ever.
You sir are a disgrace to our county
Speaks for the whole county more like.
Another week another bullshit red to save EC.
There can be no complaints about that one it was pure dirt!
Ref. has lost this game
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 08, 2024, 04:32:34 PMAnother week another bullshit red to save EC.
What?!! It's 100% a red there
Deserved red card. Ref did well to pick it up in realtime.
This is all set for the narkiest 15 mins of football in history.
Conor Laverty should get a lengthy ban for having "LAV" as the initials on his hoodie. And he's positively likeable compared to most of them.
G foul on Harte there.
Tugs
This kilcoo team has me nearly shouting for a Trone team ffs
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on December 08, 2024, 04:33:25 PMRef. has lost this game
Definitely not.
Might do yet.
But not for now.
Is that not a black card there for EC?
Mc Ginley clearly blocked the runner.
Ref. gave him a yellow. Strange.
Quote from: thewobbler on December 08, 2024, 04:33:35 PMDeserved red card. Ref did well to pick it up in realtime.
This is all set for the narkiest 15 mins of football in history.
Was well spotted by the officials. Kilcoo hit the front 0-9 to 1-5 with a little over 10 minutes to play.
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 08, 2024, 04:32:34 PMAnother week another bullshit red to save EC.
Would you ever f**k off with your nonsense. Would have been red in hurling with lads wearing helmets.
Quote from: thewobbler on December 08, 2024, 04:33:35 PMDeserved red card. Ref did well to pick it up in realtime.
This is all set for the narkiest 15 mins of football in history.
I think Barry Cassidy picked it up
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 08, 2024, 04:25:43 PMQuote from: gallsman on December 08, 2024, 04:23:46 PMJohnston with two blatant boxes at Darragh. f**k they're some tramps.
Couldn't hit that wee huer hard enough in fairness.
Tell me your from armagh without saying your from armagh. Typical hardman
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 08, 2024, 04:32:34 PMAnother week another bullshit red to save EC.
Aye, leading with an elbow to the head is mighty craic most weeks.
Quote from: Saffrongael on December 08, 2024, 04:25:19 PMQuote from: ONARAGGATIP on December 08, 2024, 04:19:24 PMQuote from: thewobbler on December 08, 2024, 03:41:39 PMI cheered the goal in as if I was from the Ballygawley roundabout.
But it was definitely a square ball, no matter what rules anyone dreams up.
EC showing a cynical side already. They need to tread carefully. They'll never beat Kilcoo with 14 men. Never. Ever.
You sir are a disgrace to our county
You think everyone in Down is cheering for Kilcoo ? !
Absolutely should be yes. Any down man cheering against a down team is obviously a newry soccer tr**p
Quote from: tyrone08 on December 08, 2024, 04:35:59 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on December 08, 2024, 04:25:43 PMQuote from: gallsman on December 08, 2024, 04:23:46 PMJohnston with two blatant boxes at Darragh. f**k they're some tramps.
Couldn't hit that wee huer hard enough in fairness.
Tell me your from armagh without saying your from armagh. Typical hardman
In fairness the username a strong indicator
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on December 08, 2024, 04:39:45 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on December 08, 2024, 04:35:59 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on December 08, 2024, 04:25:43 PMQuote from: gallsman on December 08, 2024, 04:23:46 PMJohnston with two blatant boxes at Darragh. f**k they're some tramps.
Couldn't hit that wee huer hard enough in fairness.
Tell me your from armagh without saying your from armagh. Typical hardman
In fairness the username a strong indicator
;D
Quote from: ONARAGGATIP on December 08, 2024, 04:39:18 PMQuote from: Saffrongael on December 08, 2024, 04:25:19 PMQuote from: ONARAGGATIP on December 08, 2024, 04:19:24 PMQuote from: thewobbler on December 08, 2024, 03:41:39 PMI cheered the goal in as if I was from the Ballygawley roundabout.
But it was definitely a square ball, no matter what rules anyone dreams up.
EC showing a cynical side already. They need to tread carefully. They'll never beat Kilcoo with 14 men. Never. Ever.
You sir are a disgrace to our county
You think everyone in Down is cheering for Kilcoo ? !
Absolutely should be yes. Any down man cheering against a down team is obviously a newry soccer tr**p
Cheered them on in the AI final a few years ago. Didn't even feel wrong to do so.
But right now I'd probably cheer the orange order ahead of them.
You'd never know EC had an extra man here the way Kilcoo are keeping the ball. EC gonna have to try and win it rather than wait for Kilcoo mistakes.
EC getting in their own way in attack, 2 unlikeable teams in a hard to watch match. Wasn't mad keen on the FRC changes but I am after this.
Unlucky on Eugene Brannigan there, who has been superb.
Some wides at the end of this game, but a McCartan beat the Down team!
Great score to win it after the messing with the previous effort. EC playing their get out of jail free card - quite poor Zoe most of it.
Tyrone Best champo around folks!
Ref simply awful from start to finish
Quote from: BigGreenField on December 08, 2024, 04:36:12 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on December 08, 2024, 04:32:34 PMAnother week another bullshit red to save EC.
Aye, leading with an elbow to the head is mighty craic most weeks.
Mistimed shoulder ffs. Barely touched him
It was some score to win it
All the Derry lads will be quiet on here tonight lol
Quote from: Saffrongael on December 08, 2024, 04:52:52 PMIt was some score to win it
Pity TG4 didnt show the turnover from the kickout.
Some fetch by Oguz in thr previous play after the mishit shot.
Quote from: Saffrongael on December 08, 2024, 04:52:52 PMIt was some score to win it
Unreal. Brave man taking that one on.
Back to the tanning beds for the kilcoo lads. Disgusting team. Worse fans.
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 08, 2024, 04:52:21 PMQuote from: BigGreenField on December 08, 2024, 04:36:12 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on December 08, 2024, 04:32:34 PMAnother week another bullshit red to save EC.
Aye, leading with an elbow to the head is mighty craic most weeks.
Mistimed shoulder ffs. Barely touched him
You've been trying to play down a lot of dirty deeds the last day or so.
This club championship has been the real year of the underdogs.
Errigal Ciaran 1-08 Kilcoo 0-10. Fine winner in the 4th minute of added time
There you go Tyrone club championship the most competitive in the land. Relegated team Clonoe very near bate Errigal, lost in a replay... Typical Kilcoo cynicism lost them that ..
Kilcoo pretty much took EC's big 3 players out of the game. Some effort by the rest of them to get over the line.
Not even the staunchest Magpie could argue the red card either.
Eugene Brannigan had some game.
Big score to win it when it looked like they'd missed their chance. Sqaure ball goal becomes a big talking point but EC won't care at all. Too many of Kilcoo's players didn't get to the level of their semi final. Big shoutout to doherty and niall brannigan who marked Darragh and Ruairi completely out of the game. EC had to find their scores from elsewhere
Ha. Tyrone championship not near the level of the Dublin championship.
Joe Oguz bossed midfield. Kilcoo battled well when down to 14 but ultimately fell short.
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 08, 2024, 04:54:45 PMThere you go Tyrone club championship the most competitive in the land. Relegated team Clonoe very near bate Errigal, lost in a replay... Typical Kilcoo cynicism lost them that ..
I don't get the hate for Kilcoo when EC are every bit as bad. Kilcoo is like a wee Tyrone enclave nestled in the Mournes
I'd expect Errigal to beat Dr. Crokes.
Errigal deserved that. They stood up when it mattered, and the sending off (the correct decision) just tipped the balance in their favour. Fair play EC.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 08, 2024, 03:57:24 PMToday the day for a Tyrone club to win a Ulster senior title for the first time in 22 years?
To answer my own question, yes! Even the manner of their first round Ulster win one felt their name was already on the trophy.
What's stopping them from winning the All-Ireland now? No stand out team left in the championship.
Quote from: clarshack on December 08, 2024, 04:59:59 PMI'd expect Errigal to beat Dr. Crokes.
Based on both performances today you'd have to fancy them alright.
Quote from: thewobbler on December 08, 2024, 04:55:02 PMKilcoo pretty much took EC's big 3 players out of the game. Some effort by the rest of them to get over the line.
Not even the staunchest Magpie could argue the red card either.
Eugene Brannigan had some game.
He was great but he'd probably want that chance towards the end back again. Should have been sticking it over the bar first day given the situation.
Lacey evidently doesn't trust the bench enough. Jerome Johnston should have been hooked much earlier, Shealan lost the plot a bit in the second half.
Kilcoo will be kicking themselves after that. More football, more running in them today. Good enough for a horrible shower. If Brannigan could have resisted the in-built genetic urge to be a **** for just a little bit longer they'd have won.
Just a silly action by Daryl Brannigan. For me looking at replay, ref had no choice. It was the losing of the game.
Quote from: Ghost on December 08, 2024, 05:01:35 PMQuote from: thewobbler on December 08, 2024, 04:55:02 PMKilcoo pretty much took EC's big 3 players out of the game. Some effort by the rest of them to get over the line.
Not even the staunchest Magpie could argue the red card either.
Eugene Brannigan had some game.
He was great but he'd probably want that chance towards the end back again. Should have been sticking it over the bar first day given the situation.
Jerome Johnston should have put it over instead of giving it back to him and getting him bottled up. I'm no fan of Eugene but he busted his balls off all day and in that particular party he started it off on the far right hand side beyond the 45. Gave it to Johnston on a silver plate and won't have thanked him for it coming back to him. By the time it was recycled to him again for the missed shot he must have been banjaxed.
Thought ref was harsh on Kilcoo.
Didn't see replay of red card, but thought it was a yellow in real time.
And the equalising free for Errigal was very soft - he had ballooned it wide before there was any contact
Quote from: clarshack on December 08, 2024, 04:53:24 PMAll the Derry lads will be quiet on here tonight lol
Yes Tyrone's second champo in 22 years has put us all back in our box, the argument is definitely over 🤭
Quote from: Tubberman on December 08, 2024, 05:06:18 PMThought ref was harsh on Kilcoo.
Didn't see replay of red card, but thought it was a yellow in real time.
And the equalising free for Errigal was very soft - he had ballooned it wide before there was any contact
Plenty of replays on Twitter. An on brand deliberate cheap shot and got the colour of card it deserved.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 08, 2024, 05:00:51 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on December 08, 2024, 03:57:24 PMToday the day for a Tyrone club to win a Ulster senior title for the first time in 22 years?
To answer my own question, yes! Even the manner of their first round Ulster win one felt their name was already on the trophy.
What's stopping them from winning the All-Ireland now? No stand out team left in the championship.
The Canavans v the O'Callaghans
Quote from: grounded on December 08, 2024, 05:04:13 PMJust a silly action by Daryl Brannigan. For me looking at replay, ref had no choice. It was the losing of the game.
He'd been on the edge the whole game. I thought the big inspirational hit he put in on McDonnell after EC win the second half throw in was a foul and then, having not been penalised, he stupidly gave away a free.
Quote from: Tubberman on December 08, 2024, 05:06:18 PMThought ref was harsh on Kilcoo.
Didn't see replay of red card, but thought it was a yellow in real time.
And the equalising free for Errigal was very soft - he had ballooned it wide before there was any contact
An interesting take on the rules.
https://x.com/SportTG4/status/1865795657652433078
Their relentless commitment to being complete tramps is somewhat...well, not admirable, but something.
Quote from: gallsman on December 08, 2024, 05:33:51 PMhttps://x.com/SportTG4/status/1865795657652433078
Their relentless commitment to being complete tramps is somewhat...well, not admirable, but something.
Back to the sunbeds for thon.
Like Canavan want even fouling him there. Just decided to start boxing him.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on December 08, 2024, 05:07:23 PMQuote from: clarshack on December 08, 2024, 04:53:24 PMAll the Derry lads will be quiet on here tonight lol
Yes Tyrone's second champo in 22 years has put us all back in our box, the argument is definitely over 🤭
Not the first from Errigal Ciaran to put yous all back in your box this year 😊 Agent Mickey Harte ✨️
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 08, 2024, 04:52:21 PMQuote from: BigGreenField on December 08, 2024, 04:36:12 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on December 08, 2024, 04:32:34 PMAnother week another bullshit red to save EC.
Aye, leading with an elbow to the head is mighty craic most weeks.
Mistimed shoulder ffs. Barely touched him
What a clown you are deserved red. You be the sort of man to say nothing happened on the armagh trip too.
Went to match, reading back through posts there and don't see one mention of Petey Harte, thought he had a blinder of a game and while Joe Oguz was superb Errigal don't win that without Harte pulling the strings.
Eugene Brannigan was excellent for Kilcoo, the full back as well.
Shite enuf game but enjoyed it.
I thought Oguz was anonymous in the second half other than the monster fetch towards the end. On the other side, I thought Harte was very quiet in the first half.
Red card all day long and lost his team the game. Kilcoo could be a very good footballing team without resorting to the shit they do.
Eugene brannigan maybe as good as on the pitch any Kilcoo very good defensively closing down the Canavans so well.
Two well matched teams.
Very enjoyable game that. Not the highest quality in some respects but enthralling and tense. Great kick by McCartan (?) to win it. Fair going for Errigal to win without the 2 Canavan's offering much. They'll take a lot from it. Very interesting clash with Dr Crokes coming up!
Quote from: gallsman on December 08, 2024, 06:00:00 PMI thought Oguz was anonymous in the second half other than the monster fetch towards the end. On the other side, I thought Harte was very quiet in the first half.
Have to agree with this. Didn't notice Harte first half at all.
Nearly felt for E Brannigan at the end
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 08, 2024, 06:19:09 PMQuote from: gallsman on December 08, 2024, 06:00:00 PMI thought Oguz was anonymous in the second half other than the monster fetch towards the end. On the other side, I thought Harte was very quiet in the first half.
Have to agree with this. Didn't notice Harte first half at all.
Nearly felt for E Brannigan at the end
Ah I'd not go that far, now.
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 08, 2024, 06:19:09 PMQuote from: gallsman on December 08, 2024, 06:00:00 PMI thought Oguz was anonymous in the second half other than the monster fetch towards the end. On the other side, I thought Harte was very quiet in the first half.
Have to agree with this. Didn't notice Harte first half at all.
Nearly felt for E Brannigan at the end
Nearly ;D
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 08, 2024, 04:54:45 PMThere you go Tyrone club championship the most competitive in the land. Relegated team Clonoe very near bate Errigal, lost in a replay... Typical Kilcoo cynicism lost them that ..
Clonoe probably should've won the first game. Pomeroy could've won the first round when they were chasing the goal. Killyclogher could've forced the game to a replay only for Harte last kick of the game. Trillick only lost by a point too. People can have their own opinions but I don't think any other championship is close in terms of how close the teams
Anyone see what happened in the first half with R. Canavan? Ball looked to be coming in at just below chest height and Kilcoo boy looked to have gone in with the foot
Was at the match and thought the ref was very harsh on kilcoo, don't know what it was like on TV. Errigal should've had at least one black card, one in the first couple of minutes was as blatant as it gets.
The red card happened just in front of me and think it was Barry Cassidy gave it rather than the ref, though it should have been a free in instead of a hop ball, the defender lay on the ball on the ground and he ended up hopping it which was strange.
Kilcoo will be kicking themselves, they held the Canavans well, were probably the better team but missed a couple of crucial ones at the end
Quote from: thebigfullforward on December 08, 2024, 06:35:48 PMAnyone see what happened in the first half with R. Canavan? Ball looked to be coming in at just below chest height and Kilcoo boy looked to have gone in with the foot
Easy enough to answer.
If you'd like football to be a hard game rooted upon regular one on one physical joists then the referee called it perfectly.
If you'd prefer it that every challenge is gauged not just on what happened but on likelihood of someone getting hurt, then the referee called it all wrong.
I'm in the former camp myself.
Quote from: Sheedy on December 08, 2024, 06:37:31 PMWas at the match and thought the ref was very harsh on kilcoo, don't know what it was like on TV. Errigal should've had at least one black card, one in the first couple of minutes was as blatant as it gets.
The red card happened just in front of me and think it was Barry Cassidy gave it rather than the ref, though it should have been a free in instead of a hop ball, the defender lay on the ball on the ground and he ended up hopping it which was strange.
Kilcoo will be kicking themselves, they held the Canavans well, were probably the better team but missed a couple of crucial ones at the end
Agree 100% on this. It was a red but should have been a free in for Kilcoo rather than a throw up ball, prior to the incident. I never like to see a referee throw it up - back yourself and make a decision FFS.
You must have been in same area as myself watching the game. Two, possibly 3 Errigal men should have been black carded. McDonnell after a few minutes, Ciaran Quinn for 2 pull downs and McGinley near the end.
But Kilcoo had a few bad late sly digs also which went unpunished.
But Errigal deserve immense credit - they have won a lot of tight games this season in Tyrone and Ulster and it has left them battle hardened.
The Canavan lads will never be as quiet again - they will be hard stopped from here on and will fancy themselves.
Quote from: Sheedy on December 08, 2024, 06:37:31 PMWas at the match and thought the ref was very harsh on kilcoo, don't know what it was like on TV. Errigal should've had at least one black card, one in the first couple of minutes was as blatant as it gets.
The red card happened just in front of me and think it was Barry Cassidy gave it rather than the ref, though it should have been a free in instead of a hop ball, the defender lay on the ball on the ground and he ended up hopping it which was strange.
Kilcoo will be kicking themselves, they held the Canavans well, were probably the better team but missed a couple of crucial ones at the end
You missed Ryan Johnston going for the light heavyweight title in the second half.
Quote from: gallsman on December 08, 2024, 05:33:51 PMhttps://x.com/SportTG4/status/1865795657652433078
Their relentless commitment to being complete tramps is somewhat...well, not admirable, but something.
Watched that in real time and couldn't believe there wasn't a word about it. One very clear strike and one fairly clear. Either could or perhaps should have been red.
Quote from: gallsman on December 08, 2024, 06:19:39 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on December 08, 2024, 06:19:09 PMQuote from: gallsman on December 08, 2024, 06:00:00 PMI thought Oguz was anonymous in the second half other than the monster fetch towards the end. On the other side, I thought Harte was very quiet in the first half.
Have to agree with this. Didn't notice Harte first half at all.
Nearly felt for E Brannigan at the end
Ah I'd not go that far, now.
Nearly haha
Quote from: thebigfullforward on December 08, 2024, 06:35:48 PMAnyone see what happened in the first half with R. Canavan? Ball looked to be coming in at just below chest height and Kilcoo boy looked to have gone in with the foot
Wasn't anything in it. I suppose on soccer there would have been a free but he didn't touch him
Quote from: gallsman on December 08, 2024, 06:51:55 PMQuote from: Sheedy on December 08, 2024, 06:37:31 PMWas at the match and thought the ref was very harsh on kilcoo, don't know what it was like on TV. Errigal should've had at least one black card, one in the first couple of minutes was as blatant as it gets.
The red card happened just in front of me and think it was Barry Cassidy gave it rather than the ref, though it should have been a free in instead of a hop ball, the defender lay on the ball on the ground and he ended up hopping it which was strange.
Kilcoo will be kicking themselves, they held the Canavans well, were probably the better team but missed a couple of crucial ones at the end
You missed Ryan Johnston going for the light heavyweight title in the second half.
could list a host of things from both sides, that incident wasnt a red imo, there was more than one player giving out digs in that incident, 2 yellows and move on.
2 evenly matched teams that play on the edge, it what you want to see, Errigal are no angels either by the way.
Wasn't a red!
He lost the rag and just started throwing boxes at a man who hadn't even fouled him. There wasn't even a hint of it being six of one and half a dozen of the other.
Sending off (fully deserved) was again crucial, and not just a red card, but a red card for Kilcoo's best player.
Quote from: Moonshine on December 08, 2024, 05:49:08 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on December 08, 2024, 04:52:21 PMQuote from: BigGreenField on December 08, 2024, 04:36:12 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on December 08, 2024, 04:32:34 PMAnother week another bullshit red to save EC.
Aye, leading with an elbow to the head is mighty craic most weeks.
Mistimed shoulder ffs. Barely touched him
What a clown you are deserved red. You be the sort of man to say nothing happened on the armagh trip too.
Don't bring that into it.
I haven't commented on the Armagh trip, have no idea what went on and won't be commenting on it.
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 08, 2024, 07:46:29 PMQuote from: Moonshine on December 08, 2024, 05:49:08 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on December 08, 2024, 04:52:21 PMQuote from: BigGreenField on December 08, 2024, 04:36:12 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on December 08, 2024, 04:32:34 PMAnother week another bullshit red to save EC.
Aye, leading with an elbow to the head is mighty craic most weeks.
Mistimed shoulder ffs. Barely touched him
What a clown you are deserved red. You be the sort of man to say nothing happened on the armagh trip too.
Don't bring that into it.
I haven't commented on the Armagh trip, have no idea what went on and won't be commenting on it.
If the Tyrone hate runs that deep ye would openly back Kilcoo over a team that have only won x4 county titles since last winning in Ulster in 2002, fair play it takes some doing. Absolute balloon
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 08, 2024, 07:46:29 PMQuote from: Moonshine on December 08, 2024, 05:49:08 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on December 08, 2024, 04:52:21 PMQuote from: BigGreenField on December 08, 2024, 04:36:12 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on December 08, 2024, 04:32:34 PMAnother week another bullshit red to save EC.
Aye, leading with an elbow to the head is mighty craic most weeks.
Mistimed shoulder ffs. Barely touched him
What a clown you are deserved red. You be the sort of man to say nothing happened on the armagh trip too.
Don't bring that into it.
I haven't commented on the Armagh trip, have no idea what went on and won't be commenting on it.
Never stopped you before.....
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 15, 2023, 09:58:13 PMLatest rumour now is that Gallagher took a session in Corduff club and had breakfast there after with team. And he was out in Dormans last night.
Quote from: Moonshine on December 08, 2024, 05:49:08 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on December 08, 2024, 04:52:21 PMQuote from: BigGreenField on December 08, 2024, 04:36:12 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on December 08, 2024, 04:32:34 PMAnother week another bullshit red to save EC.
Aye, leading with an elbow to the head is mighty craic most weeks.
Mistimed shoulder ffs. Barely touched him
What a clown you are deserved red. You be the sort of man to say nothing happened on the armagh trip too.
Was a deserved red. Rest of this comment quite dicky though
A red all day long. Had a feeling EC would win Ulster and fair play to them, won the final with room for improvement
Quote from: JoG2 on December 08, 2024, 08:12:57 PMA red all day long. Had a feeling EC would win Ulster and fair play to them, won the final with room for improvement
They won the final by a point against 14 men with a clear square ball goal ;) but I know what ya mean
Also they made me a few quid today so up Tyrone club teams
That aside there is a dogness about them and they have tradition, getting to a final would be a first too. When the game opened up for Crokes today they were coasting. So I'd say it'll be even enough
The sending off was key in this game. Kilcoo would have won it as they were gaining g the the upper hand in that game at this time and Enda Ginley realised it to when he fist pumped after it. Kilcoo actually done well after the sending off but were always laboured for their scores. Errigal should now win the All ireland.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on December 08, 2024, 06:55:02 PMQuote from: gallsman on December 08, 2024, 05:33:51 PMhttps://x.com/SportTG4/status/1865795657652433078
Their relentless commitment to being complete tramps is somewhat...well, not admirable, but something.
Watched that in real time and couldn't believe there wasn't a word about it. One very clear strike and one fairly clear. Either could or perhaps should have been red.
Are we just ignoring the initial attempt at a tackle by EC No7 from the outset?
Quote from: thebigfullforward on December 08, 2024, 06:31:16 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 08, 2024, 04:54:45 PMThere you go Tyrone club championship the most competitive in the land. Relegated team Clonoe very near bate Errigal, lost in a replay... Typical Kilcoo cynicism lost them that ..
Clonoe probably should've won the first game. Pomeroy could've won the first round when they were chasing the goal. Killyclogher could've forced the game to a replay only for Harte last kick of the game. Trillick only lost by a point too. People can have their own opinions but I don't think any other championship is close in terms of how close the teams
I'm sure Clonoe and Pomeroy men will be pondering what if all week...
Quote from: general_lee on December 08, 2024, 08:42:43 PMQuote from: trueblue1234 on December 08, 2024, 06:55:02 PMQuote from: gallsman on December 08, 2024, 05:33:51 PMhttps://x.com/SportTG4/status/1865795657652433078
Their relentless commitment to being complete tramps is somewhat...well, not admirable, but something.
Watched that in real time and couldn't believe there wasn't a word about it. One very clear strike and one fairly clear. Either could or perhaps should have been red.
Are we just ignoring the initial attempt at a tackle by EC No7 from the outset?
Silly me, I forgot the rule that if your teammate is being fouled you're allowed to start boxing lads in the head.
Quote from: general_lee on December 08, 2024, 08:46:17 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on December 08, 2024, 06:31:16 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 08, 2024, 04:54:45 PMThere you go Tyrone club championship the most competitive in the land. Relegated team Clonoe very near bate Errigal, lost in a replay... Typical Kilcoo cynicism lost them that ..
Clonoe probably should've won the first game. Pomeroy could've won the first round when they were chasing the goal. Killyclogher could've forced the game to a replay only for Harte last kick of the game. Trillick only lost by a point too. People can have their own opinions but I don't think any other championship is close in terms of how close the teams
I'm sure Clonoe and Pomeroy men will be pondering what if all week...
If Errigal got knocked out in earlier rounds in Tyrone Trillick would have won instead and I think they would have won Ulster too. There's an Ulster title in that Trillick team in the next few years.
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 08, 2024, 04:25:43 PMQuote from: gallsman on December 08, 2024, 04:23:46 PMJohnston with two blatant boxes at Darragh. f**k they're some tramps.
Couldn't hit that wee huer hard enough in fairness.
That seems a bit...harsh? Has Darragh Canavan done something that I'm not aware of?! I was under the impression he was a quiet lad and well liked.
Quote from: Mikhailov on December 08, 2024, 06:47:51 PMQuote from: Sheedy on December 08, 2024, 06:37:31 PMWas at the match and thought the ref was very harsh on kilcoo, don't know what it was like on TV. Errigal should've had at least one black card, one in the first couple of minutes was as blatant as it gets.
The red card happened just in front of me and think it was Barry Cassidy gave it rather than the ref, though it should have been a free in instead of a hop ball, the defender lay on the ball on the ground and he ended up hopping it which was strange.
Kilcoo will be kicking themselves, they held the Canavans well, were probably the better team but missed a couple of crucial ones at the end
Agree 100% on this. It was a red but should have been a free in for Kilcoo rather than a throw up ball, prior to the incident. I never like to see a referee throw it up - back yourself and make a decision FFS.
You must have been in same area as myself watching the game. Two, possibly 3 Errigal men should have been black carded. McDonnell after a few minutes, Ciaran Quinn for 2 pull downs and McGinley near the end.
But Kilcoo had a few bad late sly digs also which went unpunished.
But Errigal deserve immense credit - they have won a lot of tight games this season in Tyrone and Ulster and it has left them battle hardened.
The Canavan lads will never be as quiet again - they will be hard stopped from here on and will fancy themselves.
Apologies to Ben McDonnell but it was actually no2 Cormac Quinn who should have got a black card in the first 5 minutes.
He was chasing a loose ball with one of the Morgan lads in the midfield area and basically rugby tackled - full blown pull down with referee 10 yards away. Total black card but no punishment of any kind from the referee.
I haven't a word of Irish (bar the national anthem) but you could sense the surprise among the TG4 commentators that he got away without any card shown
The main gripe with most is this, call the first free, though there is absolutely no reason to carry on like that and expect anything less
Quote from: Mikhailov on December 08, 2024, 09:12:20 PMQuote from: Mikhailov on December 08, 2024, 06:47:51 PMQuote from: Sheedy on December 08, 2024, 06:37:31 PMWas at the match and thought the ref was very harsh on kilcoo, don't know what it was like on TV. Errigal should've had at least one black card, one in the first couple of minutes was as blatant as it gets.
The red card happened just in front of me and think it was Barry Cassidy gave it rather than the ref, though it should have been a free in instead of a hop ball, the defender lay on the ball on the ground and he ended up hopping it which was strange.
Kilcoo will be kicking themselves, they held the Canavans well, were probably the better team but missed a couple of crucial ones at the end
Agree 100% on this. It was a red but should have been a free in for Kilcoo rather than a throw up ball, prior to the incident. I never like to see a referee throw it up - back yourself and make a decision FFS.
You must have been in same area as myself watching the game. Two, possibly 3 Errigal men should have been black carded. McDonnell after a few minutes, Ciaran Quinn for 2 pull downs and McGinley near the end.
But Kilcoo had a few bad late sly digs also which went unpunished.
But Errigal deserve immense credit - they have won a lot of tight games this season in Tyrone and Ulster and it has left them battle hardened.
The Canavan lads will never be as quiet again - they will be hard stopped from here on and will fancy themselves.
Apologies to Ben McDonnell but it was actually no2 Cormac Quinn who should have got a black card in the first 5 minutes.
He was chasing a loose ball with one of the Morgan lads in the midfield area and basically rugby tackled - full blown pull down with referee 10 yards away. Total black card but no punishment of any kind from the referee.
I haven't a word of Irish (bar the national anthem) but you could sense the surprise among the TG4 commentators that he got away without any card shown
there was surprise in crowd round me as well, most expected black to be shown or maybe a yellow but he gave nothing after speaking to him
Was at the match and Kilcoo will d prob feel they left that one behind. They were better team for good parts when playing with 14 but can't blame the ref as they can't have any complaints re the red card. Errigal should have grabbed the advantage but didn't. The game then turned on a couple of fumbled balls by Kilcoo and their late wides.
What happened on the last play for the winner ? Obviously Kilcoo had the kickout from the previous wide and they were still showing the replay and EC turned it over.
Happens with TG4 probably more than it should
Happy for Errigal. They get a lot of stick within the county because of their success, so there's always extra pressure on them.
Thought Harte was exceptional second half.
Quote from: Saffrongael on December 08, 2024, 10:25:24 PMWhat happened on the last play for the winner ? Obviously Kilcoo had the kickout from the previous wide and they were still showing the replay and EC turned it over.
Happens with TG4 probably more than it should
Aye TG4 ballsed that up. It wasn't even a turnover as you would expect. The Kilkoo player tried to make a quick pass and gifted the pass straight to an EC player instead.
Quote from: ONeill on December 08, 2024, 10:29:43 PMHappy for Errigal. They get a lot of stick within the county because of their success, so there's always extra pressure on them.
Thought Harte was exceptional second half.
Didn't appear that way live at the game to be honest. I can vividly remember him getting turned over in contact twice in front of us in the second half alone. He was good but think exceptional is too strong a word
Quote from: gallsman on December 08, 2024, 08:47:44 PMQuote from: general_lee on December 08, 2024, 08:42:43 PMQuote from: trueblue1234 on December 08, 2024, 06:55:02 PMQuote from: gallsman on December 08, 2024, 05:33:51 PMhttps://x.com/SportTG4/status/1865795657652433078
Their relentless commitment to being complete tramps is somewhat...well, not admirable, but something.
Watched that in real time and couldn't believe there wasn't a word about it. One very clear strike and one fairly clear. Either could or perhaps should have been red.
Are we just ignoring the initial attempt at a tackle by EC No7 from the outset?
Silly me, I forgot the rule that if your teammate is being fouled you're allowed to start boxing lads in the head.
;D
How long can Kilcoo go on for, they seem like part of the furniture at this stage. Must be on the go 12yrs. Sure that team starting to come to the end of that age group and cycle. Same with the Monaghan team.
Quote from: Mikhailov on December 08, 2024, 10:46:24 PMQuote from: ONeill on December 08, 2024, 10:29:43 PMHappy for Errigal. They get a lot of stick within the county because of their success, so there's always extra pressure on them.
Thought Harte was exceptional second half.
Didn't appear that way live at the game to be honest. I can vividly remember him getting turned over in contact twice in front of us in the second half alone. He was good but think exceptional is too strong a word
That's true, he was. But there was a lot of that going on over 60 minutes. Turnovers and fumbles. I thought he steadied the side when it was needed and chipped in with a crucial score. Exceptional probably too strong. Influential.
I know Darragh Canavan is held to a high standard but thought he still had a decent game, got a good point and set up another 1-02 , out of the 1-08 Errigal got. Was a good battle with the Kilcoo defence
I thought this at the time but the first goal was a square ball!
https://x.com/ballsdotie/status/1865792715524305168?s=46&t=phQ2HHkWD0UVsLqr_FKpag
Quote from: general_lee on December 08, 2024, 08:46:17 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on December 08, 2024, 06:31:16 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 08, 2024, 04:54:45 PMThere you go Tyrone club championship the most competitive in the land. Relegated team Clonoe very near bate Errigal, lost in a replay... Typical Kilcoo cynicism lost them that ..
Clonoe probably should've won the first game. Pomeroy could've won the first round when they were chasing the goal. Killyclogher could've forced the game to a replay only for Harte last kick of the game. Trillick only lost by a point too. People can have their own opinions but I don't think any other championship is close in terms of how close the teams
I'm sure Clonoe and Pomeroy men will be pondering what if all week...
Quote from: general_lee on December 08, 2024, 08:46:17 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on December 08, 2024, 06:31:16 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 08, 2024, 04:54:45 PMThere you go Tyrone club championship the most competitive in the land. Relegated team Clonoe very near bate Errigal, lost in a replay... Typical Kilcoo cynicism lost them that ..
Clonoe probably should've won the first game. Pomeroy could've won the first round when they were chasing the goal. Killyclogher could've forced the game to a replay only for Harte last kick of the game. Trillick only lost by a point too. People can have their own opinions but I don't think any other championship is close in terms of how close the teams
I'm sure Clonoe and Pomeroy men will be pondering what if all week...
Neither Clonoe or Pomeroy would have won the Tyrone championship but on the day anyone in Tyrone could beat the likes of Errigal which is what makes the Tyrone championship special. We seem to be one of the only counties were the championship is based on league divisions which also makes the league football ultra competitive which guarantees 15 league games (with 5 of them started) that are played like championship games which has left the likes of Coalisland and clonoe being relegated to intermediate.
Quote from: general_lee on December 08, 2024, 08:42:43 PMQuote from: trueblue1234 on December 08, 2024, 06:55:02 PMQuote from: gallsman on December 08, 2024, 05:33:51 PMhttps://x.com/SportTG4/status/1865795657652433078
Their relentless commitment to being complete tramps is somewhat...well, not admirable, but something.
Watched that in real time and couldn't believe there wasn't a word about it. One very clear strike and one fairly clear. Either could or perhaps should have been red.
Are we just ignoring the initial attempt at a tackle by EC No7 from the outset?
A foul. Which, I'm sure you know happens regularly and shouldn't really require discussion, The reaction, however is more noteworthy.
Errigal have played 15 competitive league games in Tyrone followed by a knockout county championship where they were close a few times to being knocked out and went on to win Ulster.
I feel sorry for GAA people from other counties where leagues are practically friendly games and championships that gives the bigger clubs a chance to rest players as they can afford to lose a game and still win it.
I'd love to hear opinions from neighbouring GAA counties on why they don't have a similar system. My own club would play a league game on a Friday night with 1000+ attendance, and the talk of the village all week would be about the next league game. A championship game would have a big attendance with many neutrals with it being a knockout game.
5 games are set aside as starred games (without county men) and if the county get far then the league is put on hold to make sure county men get the chance to play club football for their club, which could be the difference for certain clubs staying in senior football or getting relegated.
Quote from: Easttyrone23 on December 09, 2024, 12:10:27 AMErrigal have played 15 competitive league games in Tyrone followed by a knockout county championship where they were close a few times to being knocked out and went on to win Ulster.
I feel sorry for GAA people from other counties where leagues are practically friendly games and championships that gives the bigger clubs a chance to rest players as they can afford to lose a game and still win it.
I'd love to hear opinions from neighbouring GAA counties on why they don't have a similar system. My own club would play a league game on a Friday night with 1000+ attendance, and the talk of the village all week would be about the next league game. A championship game would have a big attendance with many neutrals with it being a knockout game.
5 games are set aside as starred games (without county men) and if the county get far then the league is put on hold to make sure county men get the chance to play club football for their club, which could be the difference for certain clubs staying in senior football or getting relegated.
Every game matters, its the only way
Quote from: Easttyrone23 on December 09, 2024, 12:10:27 AMErrigal have played 15 competitive league games in Tyrone followed by a knockout county championship where they were close a few times to being knocked out and went on to win Ulster.
I feel sorry for GAA people from other counties where leagues are practically friendly games and championships that gives the bigger clubs a chance to rest players as they can afford to lose a game and still win it.
I'd love to hear opinions from neighbouring GAA counties on why they don't have a similar system. My own club would play a league game on a Friday night with 1000+ attendance, and the talk of the village all week would be about the next league game. A championship game would have a big attendance with many neutrals with it being a knockout game.
5 games are set aside as starred games (without county men) and if the county get far then the league is put on hold to make sure county men get the chance to play club football for their club, which could be the difference for certain clubs staying in senior football or getting relegated.
Our - Armagh - leagues are linked to the championship also but we have the group stages first. Which, while it guarantees teams 3 games, takes a lot of excitement out of it. I'd prefer the Tyrone model if I'm honest
Quote from: Easttyrone23 on December 09, 2024, 12:10:27 AMErrigal have played 15 competitive league games in Tyrone followed by a knockout county championship where they were close a few times to being knocked out and went on to win Ulster.
I feel sorry for GAA people from other counties where leagues are practically friendly games and championships that gives the bigger clubs a chance to rest players as they can afford to lose a game and still win it.
I'd love to hear opinions from neighbouring GAA counties on why they don't have a similar system. My own club would play a league game on a Friday night with 1000+ attendance, and the talk of the village all week would be about the next league game. A championship game would have a big attendance with many neutrals with it being a knockout game.
5 games are set aside as starred games (without county men) and if the county get far then the league is put on hold to make sure county men get the chance to play club football for their club, which could be the difference for certain clubs staying in senior football or getting relegated.
Honestly don't understand why other counties don't take it serious. I suppose there's no reason to if there's no consequence to finishing last. Don't think there's a championship in the county like it. Would rather watch our championship than the likes of Kilcoo or Scotstown or Ballygunner walking through it every year
Championships are won by the best teams in every county that year, if a team is walking it most years that's not down to a lesser league or whether they have knock out, back door or groups, it's down to the standard.
Antrim have had all styles of championships. It still didn't have jeopardy, the best teams won regardless.
The thing about the league in Tyrone I seen from above is they have the starred games, do non starred games have points to be won or are they friendlies due to no county players?
Tyrone is a one code county too so it's able to concentrate on the football and promote it better
We ran a starred format for a couple of seasons and the players and managers at the time didn't find it useful, so it was binned.
Why are EC able to win Ulster over the other teams?
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 09, 2024, 08:45:49 AMQuote from: Easttyrone23 on December 09, 2024, 12:10:27 AMErrigal have played 15 competitive league games in Tyrone followed by a knockout county championship where they were close a few times to being knocked out and went on to win Ulster.
I feel sorry for GAA people from other counties where leagues are practically friendly games and championships that gives the bigger clubs a chance to rest players as they can afford to lose a game and still win it.
I'd love to hear opinions from neighbouring GAA counties on why they don't have a similar system. My own club would play a league game on a Friday night with 1000+ attendance, and the talk of the village all week would be about the next league game. A championship game would have a big attendance with many neutrals with it being a knockout game.
5 games are set aside as starred games (without county men) and if the county get far then the league is put on hold to make sure county men get the chance to play club football for their club, which could be the difference for certain clubs staying in senior football or getting relegated.
Our - Armagh - leagues are linked to the championship also but we have the group stages first. Which, while it guarantees teams 3 games, takes a lot of excitement out of it. I'd prefer the Tyrone model if I'm honest
Me too, look at Clann Eireann and Cross this year were both beat early on, and obviously the county lads understandably took a while to get motoring for the clubs. Although when it does get going our championship was very good this year in all 3 grades with competitive games and surprises.
Not an expert on the football, but Kilcoo kicked that one away yesterday and from a well seasoned team, that will hurt over the winter, no doubt.
I get that there's a lot of hate in Down towards Kilcoo as they don't always help themselves they way they conduct themselves, but there is a lot of sour grapes in there as well.
A bunch of upstarts with no right to be winning anything making wee boys out of a lot of their neighbours with much bigger pools of players, tradition or whatever.
They've won 13 of the last 16 Down championships and a lot of them at a canter, so straight knockout, back door, round robin, it won't matter until the rest of the other clubs in Down up their game, grow a set of swingers and go toe to toe with them and stop complaining.
Quote from: johnnycool on December 09, 2024, 09:16:12 AMNot an expert on the football, but Kilcoo kicked that one away yesterday and from a well seasoned team, that will hurt over the winter, no doubt.
I get that there's a lot of hate in Down towards Kilcoo as they don't always help themselves they way they conduct themselves, but there is a lot of sour grapes in there as well.
A bunch of upstarts with no right to be winning anything making wee boys out of a lot of their neighbours with much bigger pools of players, tradition or whatever.
They've won 13 of the last 16 Down championships and a lot of them at a canter, so straight knockout, back door, round robin, it won't matter until the rest of the other clubs in Down up their game, grow a set of swingers and go toe to toe with them and stop complaining.
Pretty much. Think Warrenpoint ran them close a few years ago, extra time maybe? Clonduff have put it up to them before but Kilcoo have their number now and I don't know what to say about Burren, for all their quality they seem to have a mental block when it comes to Kilcoo.
Was a fella in midfield for Kilcoo a few years ago Dylan Ward, has he left the panel now? Did rightly on Conor Glass in Armagh the year Kilcoo beat Glen.
There was a second All Ireland Club title in Kilcoo this season, that I'm convinced of. The sending off completely altered the outcome yesterday and they will be sick today with the defeat. As expected, both Canavan's were largely nullified and this was testament to the superb defensive work that Kilcoo are renowned for. Kilcoo's forwards, for the most part 4 of them playing up, were very much off song and really didn't produce near enough quality or finishes. There was more of a reliance on deep runners coming with pace and looking to pick off scores. Whether it was tactical intent or a lack of options, but bar Laverty and Crissy Rooney, Kilcoo's bench didn't have much more ammo that could have been introduced.
Looking at advancing years in the panel, I'm not sure Kilcoo have another stab at the All Ireland in them with this current offering. Karl Lacey may be re-evaluating his future with them too. They are still the standard bearers in Down and Ulster. Andy Merrigan is now completely open. Errigal have as good a chance as anyone.
Dylan Ward has been in Australia but is back as of a few weeks ago. There was a piece in the Irish News at the time.. Not sure where he is in relation to the panel though.
Quote from: DownFanatic on December 09, 2024, 09:28:29 AMbar Laverty and Crissy Rooney, Kilcoo's bench didn't have much more ammo that could have been introduced.
Don't remember Laverty touching the ball yesterday after he came and it's been a while since I can remember him doing anything significant, possibly as far back as the All Ireland win against Kilmacud. Maybe time to pack it in.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 09, 2024, 09:05:11 AMChampionships are won by the best teams in every county that year, if a team is walking it most years that's not down to a lesser league or whether they have knock out, back door or groups, it's down to the standard.
Antrim have had all styles of championships. It still didn't have jeopardy, the best teams won regardless.
The thing about the league in Tyrone I seen from above is they have the starred games, do non starred games have points to be won or are they friendlies due to no county players?
Tyrone is a one code county too so it's able to concentrate on the football and promote it better
We ran a starred format for a couple of seasons and the players and managers at the time didn't find it useful, so it was binned.
Why are EC able to win Ulster over the other teams?
Every league game in Tyrone have points to be won. It's why there was a fuss kicked up when Cush dropped off the Tyrone panel to play for the club during the starred games and I think it was Edendork that didn't like it. Not sure what happened then but the point is every game is taken seriously (bar the final game of the season this year when teams played reserve sides due to championship around the corner)
Quote from: gallsman on December 09, 2024, 09:29:49 AMDylan Ward has been in Australia but is back as of a few weeks ago. There was a piece in the Irish News at the time.. Not sure where he is in relation to the panel though.
Quote from: DownFanatic on December 09, 2024, 09:28:29 AMbar Laverty and Crissy Rooney, Kilcoo's bench didn't have much more ammo that could have been introduced.
Don't remember Laverty touching the ball yesterday after he came and it's been a while since I can remember him doing anything significant, possibly as far back as the All Ireland win against Kilmacud. Maybe time to pack it in.
He had a few touches. Kicked one straight to an EC man
Well done ErrigalC. You were big underdogs and for me deserved the win on the day. The red card was the correct decision by the referee and did have a big baring on the game in last Qtr. Silly tackle, a complete rush of blood to the head, which has been a feature with Kilcoo last year and this year, considering that their composure used to be their strength.
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Their relentless commitment to being complete tramps is somewhat...well, not admirable, but something.
Watched that in real time and couldn't believe there wasn't a word about it. One very clear strike and one fairly clear. Either could or perhaps should have been red.
Are we just ignoring the initial attempt at a tackle by EC No7 from the outset?
Silly me, I forgot the rule that if your teammate is being fouled you're allowed to start boxing lads in the head.
It's funny how people's hatred for Kilcoo clouds their ability to see anything other than their indiscretions.
How do you not get this ffs? Boo f**king hoo, they were fouled. Guess what, they were given a f**king free for it.
But Johnston throwing boxes or Brannigan trying to take someone's head off (and yes, it was absolutely intentional, especially as he launched himself off his feet into it) and a load of saps come crawling out to try and say it's the ref's fault because he didn't whistle for a previous minor indiscretion.
I didn't have a dog in the fight so I honestly couldn't care less who won, but Kilcoo have shown themselves to be a nasty, horrible shower over and over and over again. Which is a real f**king pity, as they're a phenomenal club.
Lavery came on and tried to pull the strings but just didn't happen. Tried a pass that would have led to a scorable mark at one stage but the lad waited on it and number 12 for EC made a brilliant interception.
Well done to EC sometimes the name is just on the trophy. Kilcoo will be back I'm sure
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 09, 2024, 09:05:11 AMChampionships are won by the best teams in every county that year, if a team is walking it most years that's not down to a lesser league or whether they have knock out, back door or groups, it's down to the standard.
Antrim have had all styles of championships. It still didn't have jeopardy, the best teams won regardless.
The thing about the league in Tyrone I seen from above is they have the starred games, do non starred games have points to be won or are they friendlies due to no county players?
Tyrone is a one code county too so it's able to concentrate on the football and promote it better
We ran a starred format for a couple of seasons and the players and managers at the time didn't find it useful, so it was binned.
Why are EC able to win Ulster over the other teams?
Every game in Tyrone league counts whether it is starred or not. All worth 2 points for a win or 1 point for a draw. Maximum of 5 starred games (without county men) then 10 games when every team has full compliment to play with. 15 league games / 30 points. This year 22 points finished top of the league with 20 points getting into top 4. At the other end Clonoe got relegated in the highest position on 10 points - seriously competitive
Quote from: gallsman on December 09, 2024, 11:35:32 AMHow do you not get this ffs? Boo f**king hoo, they were fouled. Guess what, they were given a f**king free for it.
But Johnston throwing boxes or Brannigan trying to take someone's head off (and yes, it was absolutely intentional, especially as he launched himself off his feet into it) and a load of saps come crawling out to try and say it's the ref's fault because he didn't whistle for a previous minor indiscretion.
I didn't have a dog in the fight so I honestly couldn't care less who won, but Kilcoo have shown themselves to be a nasty, horrible shower over and over and over again. Which is a real f**king pity, as they're a phenomenal club.
You don't like kilcoo, I think we've all picked that up at this stage. How many of their games have you seen or how many of their players do you know?
Fair play to EC and I hope they go on to win it, although Kilcoo would have had a better chance if they had prevailed imo.
There's been enough said about the game but the winning score was a reminder that fortune favours the brave. However, Kilcoo are unlikely to get any 50/50 calls from referees anywhere outside Down ( the square ball and absence of black card for example- the red was clear) and they should reflect on this before launching unnecessary and counter-productive legal challenges in the future.
It's a big setback for the Magpies as they had emptied the tank with their eyes on an Ulster- at least.
That management team doesn't come cheap and it will be interesting to see if they all make the big trips again next year. Equally , a few of the players might not feel they could give it another lash; PD and JJ looked jaded yesterday and Laverty might not want to continue his cameo role. However, there are more than enough replacements coming off the production line and I don't see anyone troubling them in Down at least for a few years.
Quote from: Caitlin on December 09, 2024, 01:16:31 PMFair play to EC and I hope they go on to win it, although Kilcoo would have had a better chance if they had prevailed imo.
There's been enough said about the game but the winning score was a reminder that fortune favours the brave. However, Kilcoo are unlikely to get any 50/50 calls from referees anywhere outside Down ( the square ball and absence of black card for example- the red was clear) and they should reflect on this before launching unnecessary and counter-productive legal challenges in the future.
It's a big setback for the Magpies as they had emptied the tank with their eyes on an Ulster- at least.
That management team doesn't come cheap and it will be interesting to see if they all make the big trips again next year. Equally , a few of the players might not feel they could give it another lash; PD and JJ looked jaded yesterday and Laverty might not want to continue his cameo role. However, there are more than enough replacements coming off the production line and I don't see anyone troubling them in Down at least for a few years.
Cannot at all understand the comment about not getting 50:50 calls outside of Down.
It's like one of those things that people are preprogrammed to say whether there's evidence or not.
Yesterday's referee neither was for Kilcoo or against them. As long as contact was "manly" he let it go. If it was dirty or lazy, he pulled players up. If anything what happened yesterday lends credence to the suggestion that Kilcoo don't like Paul Faloon, because this is how he referees the game. And they find it harder to keep their normally cool heads when physicality is increased.
But a more important point on this. Just a month ago Kilcoo got the benefit of the doubt on pretty much every key decision vs Crosserlough.
Referee didn't beat Kilcoo yesterday. Not even remotely.
Thought Errigal done very well on stopping/slowing the Kilcoo ball carriers we seen V Scotstown. With the man coming at them they faced them straight up several times forcing them to run straight into the frontal contact rather than looking to get a hand in first
I gave evidence.
And I disagree about the Crosserlough game; I was there and Barry Cassidy was fair apart from the one/two black card issue with James Smith which made no difference as it was in injury time; just as he spotted Dab's red card offence yesterday
Jez the ref yesterday missed the most obvious black card in the first 5 minutes when an Errigal player dragged a Kilcoo player to the ground, a few minutes later stone wall square ball missed, then the very obvious aggressive and deliberate block on a kilcoo plyers run in the second half, which again was a stone wall black card, all of those before the strike (not overly dangerous) by the same Kilcoo player whose was run was blocked, those are monumental mistakes for any ref to make in any championship game never mind an Ulster club final. Simply not good enough.
Quote from: giveherlong on December 09, 2024, 01:35:48 PMThought Errigal done very well on stopping/slowing the Kilcoo ball carriers we seen V Scotstown. With the man coming at them they faced them straight up several times forcing them to run straight into the frontal contact rather than looking to get a hand in first
Said it a few times - Scotstown were masters of their own downfall tactically by sticking to the mano a mano approach. Errigal choked up the central channels yesterday with bodies, simple but very effective.
I thought the ref missed a couple of things. Tell me a ref that has never done that. Overall I thought he had a good game
You can argue either way on the referee as regards whom did he hurt more with his decisions but the actual fact we are discussing this highlights that he did not have his best day.
Black cards, square balls, late hits all be dealt with in the correct manner by the top referees
Mooney is not in that bracket
QuoteYou don't like kilcoo, I think we've all picked that up at this stage. How many of their games have you seen or how many of their players do you know?
I'd say over the years I've seen them 15-20 times in total, the first being when they beat St. Gall's in the 2012 semi final. I know none of them personally, as if that matters at all. Good enough for you?
Do kilcoo have good youth coming through?
Quote from: Mikhailov on December 09, 2024, 12:00:39 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 09, 2024, 09:05:11 AMChampionships are won by the best teams in every county that year, if a team is walking it most years that's not down to a lesser league or whether they have knock out, back door or groups, it's down to the standard.
Antrim have had all styles of championships. It still didn't have jeopardy, the best teams won regardless.
The thing about the league in Tyrone I seen from above is they have the starred games, do non starred games have points to be won or are they friendlies due to no county players?
Tyrone is a one code county too so it's able to concentrate on the football and promote it better
We ran a starred format for a couple of seasons and the players and managers at the time didn't find it useful, so it was binned.
Why are EC able to win Ulster over the other teams?
Every game in Tyrone league counts whether it is starred or not. All worth 2 points for a win or 1 point for a draw. Maximum of 5 starred games (without county men) then 10 games when every team has full compliment to play with. 15 league games / 30 points. This year 22 points finished top of the league with 20 points getting into top 4. At the other end Clonoe got relegated in the highest position on 10 points - seriously competitive
Sorry, how does this differ from outer counties? Are there no ppoints for some league games?
Quote from: DuffleKing on December 09, 2024, 02:43:02 PMQuote from: Mikhailov on December 09, 2024, 12:00:39 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 09, 2024, 09:05:11 AMChampionships are won by the best teams in every county that year, if a team is walking it most years that's not down to a lesser league or whether they have knock out, back door or groups, it's down to the standard.
Antrim have had all styles of championships. It still didn't have jeopardy, the best teams won regardless.
The thing about the league in Tyrone I seen from above is they have the starred games, do non starred games have points to be won or are they friendlies due to no county players?
Tyrone is a one code county too so it's able to concentrate on the football and promote it better
We ran a starred format for a couple of seasons and the players and managers at the time didn't find it useful, so it was binned.
Why are EC able to win Ulster over the other teams?
Every game in Tyrone league counts whether it is starred or not. All worth 2 points for a win or 1 point for a draw. Maximum of 5 starred games (without county men) then 10 games when every team has full compliment to play with. 15 league games / 30 points. This year 22 points finished top of the league with 20 points getting into top 4. At the other end Clonoe got relegated in the highest position on 10 points - seriously competitive
Sorry, how does this differ from outer counties? Are there no ppoints for some league games?
If you read the previous part of the original post, the poster asked were the started games treated as friendly games with no points won......I was just answering that part of his post to clarify that every game was treated equally and with the same importance
Always supported Kilcoo, admired their succes for a small village and their tenacity despite their players being relatively small. But their behaviour has been nasty and squalid and has let them down (won't start to list it here)
Quote from: Rawhide on December 09, 2024, 01:41:47 PMJez the ref yesterday missed the most obvious black card in the first 5 minutes when an Errigal player dragged a Kilcoo player to the ground, a few minutes later stone wall square ball missed, then the very obvious aggressive and deliberate block on a kilcoo plyers run in the second half, which again was a stone wall black card, all of those before the strike (not overly dangerous) by the same Kilcoo player whose was run was blocked, those are monumental mistakes for any ref to make in any championship game never mind an Ulster club final. Simply not good enough.
He also didn't penalise Niall Brannigan for a knee up sliding tackle, and didn't card Ryan Johnston despite swinging out twice.
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There's a point made after yours that if we are talking about a referee at any length then he must have had a poor game.
I call bullshit on that one.
The reason why we talk about referees after games is that we are culturally unwilling to accept that when two evenly matched teams meet each other, that the encounter can be decided by luck or skill: there has to be someone / something to blame. And the ref is always the target.
Hard luck to our men yesterday and congratulations to Errigal. Was a proper tight Ulster club game. Our lads put in a serious shift and were defensively sound, keeping the Canavan's relatively quiet. Errigal a good side and can't imagine their forwards being as well marked going forward. A few folk have already mentioned about the refereeing and missing black cards and the blatant square ball but there's not much point complaining about it now. The red card left us with a lot of work to do and we nearly pulled it off but can only admire our men for the effort they put in. We were a bit flat at times and didn't take some scores in vital moments but here that's football for ya.
Our men done the whole village proud and have given us great days out. They will take a well deserved break and we will see what next year holds for us.
I must add, we were sitting close to a big Errigal contingent, very good supporters and they gave their men some support. This Magpie hopes you can go on and win the whole lot.
#UTM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 09, 2024, 02:55:27 PMQuote from: Rawhide on December 09, 2024, 01:41:47 PMJez the ref yesterday missed the most obvious black card in the first 5 minutes when an Errigal player dragged a Kilcoo player to the ground, a few minutes later stone wall square ball missed, then the very obvious aggressive and deliberate block on a kilcoo plyers run in the second half, which again was a stone wall black card, all of those before the strike (not overly dangerous) by the same Kilcoo player whose was run was blocked, those are monumental mistakes for any ref to make in any championship game never mind an Ulster club final. Simply not good enough.
He also didn't penalise Niall Brannigan for a knee up sliding tackle, and didn't card Ryan Johnston despite swinging out twice.
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There's a point made after yours that if we are talking about a referee at any length then he must have had a poor game.
I call bullshit on that one.
The reason why we talk about referees after games is that we are culturally unwilling to accept that when two evenly matched teams meet each other, that the encounter can be decided by luck or skill: there has to be someone / something to blame. And the ref is always the target.
Refs will always be scrutinised. How games are refereed and the ambiguity of certain rules means it's only natural people question officials. It happens in most team sports to be fair. Big decisions will be talking points and it's natural to discuss what impact they have on the outcome of close games. Ahead of yesterday's game I was convinced Kilcoo would have eased to a 3-4 point win, i thought EC rode their luck in the semifinal and thought Kilcoo were more experienced and better conditioned - that might be true but the sending off (correct decision) means that it's hard to say whether that is actually the case.
There is a lot goes on in gaelic matches - more football than hurling too. Refs will always miss some stuff and the two teams yesterday wouldn't be shrinking violets in terms of being up to stuff. (That's not a criticism it's the reality of winning teams in gaelic football). There's noise about cuala and how cynical they are too. I don't think the ref had a particularly bad game. He missed stuff but there is so much goes on in those games that you couldn't not.
I actually thought the early non black card decision was correct and there was a lot of momentum involved in that one. Is a block the way Ryan Johnston was blocked towards the end a black card? I didn't think it was but could be wrong.
Irrespective of anything I felt Kilcoo had the chances to win that and just didn't take them. The red card was ultimately their undoing as they were , slightly, the better team.
Quote from: Maurice Moss on December 09, 2024, 02:56:33 PMHard luck to our men yesterday and congratulations to Errigal. Was a proper tight Ulster club game. Our lads put in a serious shift and were defensively sound, keeping the Canavan's relatively quiet. Errigal a good side and can't imagine their forwards being as well marked going forward. A few folk have already mentioned about the refereeing and missing black cards and the blatant square ball but there's not much point complaining about it now. The red card left us with a lot of work to do and we nearly pulled it off but can only admire our men for the effort they put in. We were a bit flat at times and didn't take some scores in vital moments but here that's football for ya.
Our men done the whole village proud and have given us great days out. They will take a well deserved break and we will see what next year holds for us.
I must add, we were sitting close to a big Errigal contingent, very good supporters and they gave their men some support. This Magpie hopes you can go on and win the whole lot.
#UTM
Have to say I do admire your boys, dark arts aside. How big is Kilcoo and as has been asked what is the youth coming through like?
Glen in 2022 is the only 60-minute championship game that Errigal have lost by more than 2 points since a hammering they got in 2016. And even that Glen game they gave it a good rattle for long periods. That's an impressive record going back a long time of being there or there abouts in every knockout game year in year out.
I said they would be very close to Kilcoo at the bare minimum and I would expect the same against Dr Crokes and potentially Cuala if they make it that far.
Quote from: ClubScene13 on December 09, 2024, 05:52:36 PMGlen in 2022 is the only 60-minute championship game that Errigal have lost by more than 2 points since a hammering they got in 2016. And even that Glen game they gave it a good rattle for long periods. That's an impressive record going back a long time of being there or there abouts in every knockout game year in year out.
I said they would be very close to Kilcoo at the bare minimum and I would expect the same against Dr Crokes and potentially Cuala if they make it that far.
2 players with senior county experience with Tyrone on each line except half back, CHB Niall Kelly the only to see Tyrone minutes, a top quality side
Quote from: 03,05,08 on December 09, 2024, 02:39:32 PMDo kilcoo have good youth coming through?
I wouldn't say they'd be blessed with the same underage success as the likes of Burren and Carryduff in recent years but they always seem to be able to add a couple of new faces to the panel every year
Quote from: Nanderson on December 09, 2024, 06:28:16 PMQuote from: 03,05,08 on December 09, 2024, 02:39:32 PMDo kilcoo have good youth coming through?
I wouldn't say they'd be blessed with the same underage success as the likes of Burren and Carryduff in recent years but they always seem to be able to add a couple of new faces to the panel every year
That's all ya need, well as long as they are good enough quality!
Ref missing the square ball to the first goal a mystery, he's about the only person didn't see it. Maybe more of a game changer, than the red card in hindsight, as Errigal were average enough in the first half.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 09, 2024, 10:31:19 PMRef missing the square ball to the first goal a mystery, he's about the only person didn't see it. Maybe more of a game changer, than the red card in hindsight, as Errigal were average enough in the first half.
Was it not a stonewall penalty that he missed before that square ball? Errigal had a bit of smash and grab yesterday but fair play to them. They'll dine on that for another 20 years.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 09, 2024, 10:31:19 PMRef missing the square ball to the first goal a mystery, he's about the only person didn't see it. Maybe more of a game changer, than the red card in hindsight, as Errigal were average enough in the first half.
Not sure if it has been mentioned here, but, surely if the goal didn't stand, EC would have got a penalty with the Kilcoo number 14 sliding in and bringing D Canavan down? Only seen it at the time / replay , haven't seen it since
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on December 09, 2024, 10:34:33 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on December 09, 2024, 10:31:19 PMRef missing the square ball to the first goal a mystery, he's about the only person didn't see it. Maybe more of a game changer, than the red card in hindsight, as Errigal were average enough in the first half.
Was it not a stonewall penalty that he missed before that square ball? Errigal had a bit of smash and grab yesterday but fair play to them. They'll dine on that for another 20 years.
Like, the no 17 bus.... ;D
Quote from: JoG2 on December 09, 2024, 10:35:50 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on December 09, 2024, 10:31:19 PMRef missing the square ball to the first goal a mystery, he's about the only person didn't see it. Maybe more of a game changer, than the red card in hindsight, as Errigal were average enough in the first half.
Not sure if it has been mentioned here, but, surely if the goal didn't stand, EC would have got a penalty with the Kilcoo number 14 sliding in and bringing D Canavan down? Only seen it at the time / replay , haven't seen it since
Was the ref playing advantage?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 09, 2024, 10:36:37 PMQuote from: JoG2 on December 09, 2024, 10:35:50 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on December 09, 2024, 10:31:19 PMRef missing the square ball to the first goal a mystery, he's about the only person didn't see it. Maybe more of a game changer, than the red card in hindsight, as Errigal were average enough in the first half.
Not sure if it has been mentioned here, but, surely if the goal didn't stand, EC would have got a penalty with the Kilcoo number 14 sliding in and bringing D Canavan down? Only seen it at the time / replay , haven't seen it since
Was the ref playing advantage?
I've no idea tbh, don't think the ref was in view during the play and my Irish is cothrom na féinne a bheith macánta
The square ball that was missed for the goal was a lot clearer than the one that was ruled out.