Meetings of An Coiste Bainistíochta and Ard Chomhairle took place last night and today respectively and the following decisions were taken:
• To bring a motion to Congress in Feb 2025 for Option 1 football championship (for implementation for 2026 championship)
• Not to bring a Motion on a 3rd Tier at this time
• That pre-season competitions be suspended for one year – return to training date to be decided at the next meeting
• That CCCC will decide which of the Tailteann Cup or Hurling Quarter finals should be on a Sunday and Hurling league final (Saturday or Sunday at CCCCs discretion)
• That a motion to introduce Replays after Extra Time in Provincial finals be brought by AC to Congress 2025 and implemented once/if the new football championship structure is adopted.
• That a motion to introduce a Replay in the All-Ireland Senior Finals if they finish level be brought forward at Congress 2025
• Master Fixture calendar for 2025 was approved
No more FBD😪
Poor oul Longford will never win a Cup again.
• To bring a motion to Congress in Feb 2025 for Option 1 football championship (for implementation for 2026 championship)
And option 1 is?
Quote from: Rossfan on September 07, 2024, 05:36:53 PMNo more FBD😪
Poor oul Longford will never win a Cup again.
Mickey Harte had his eye on the O'Byrne Cup for Offaly.
Quote from: dec on September 07, 2024, 06:51:36 PM• To bring a motion to Congress in Feb 2025 for Option 1 football championship (for implementation for 2026 championship)
And option 1 is?
That option would still include provincial championship series across the four provinces with the eight finalists, the top seven placed league counties after that, and the Tailteann Cup winners going into a 16-team draw.
Those eight ties would produce eight-team winners' and losers' paths.
I thought the All Ireland finals had replays or was that after the extra time be played.
Apparently they want round robin to stay at least one more year.
Would Counties just arrange challenge games instead of mckenna cup type tournaments.
Quote from: EmeraldOpal on September 08, 2024, 06:48:13 AMWould Counties just arrange challenge games instead of mckenna cup type tournaments.
Are they chopping the pre-season competitions in order to start the league a week or two early so that there'll be a better break between championship games?
Quote from: marty34 on September 08, 2024, 08:54:27 AMQuote from: EmeraldOpal on September 08, 2024, 06:48:13 AMWould Counties just arrange challenge games instead of mckenna cup type tournaments.
Are they chopping the pre-season competitions in order to start the league a week or two early so that there'll be a better break between championship games?
would make sense tbh. Mickey Harte won't like it though.
There was a 2025 master fixtures calendar approved yesterday if anyone can get sight of it.
Hopefully we find out the date of the London v Ros game in good time to get cheap fares.
No 3 in a row O'Byrne Cup for Longford so. Would have been a good way for the new Manager to start.
From GAA.ie
Fewer games, more jeopardy proposed for Sam Maguire
A new proposal to reduce the number of games in the Sam Maguire senior football championship and to eliminate teams who lose two matches post the provincial championships will now be on the agenda for Congress 2025.
If it is successfully voted through next February, it would be in place for the Championship of 2026.
The key change to the current structure would be the removal of one round of games and the addition of 'win or bust' for teams that lose their opening match.
After the provincial championships, the four provincial champions and the four provincial runners up would be drawn to play at Home against the next eight best seeded teams decided by their place at the end of the Allianz League – similar to the present system.
The eight winners from Round 1 would go into Round 2A. The eight losers would go to Round 2B.
The eight teams in Round 2A would play each other with the four winners going to the All-Ireland Quarter-Finals. The four losers would go to Round 3.
The four winners in Round 2B would also progress to Round 3 to play against the Round 2A losers for a place in the All Ireland Quarter finals. The four losers in Round 2B would exit the Championship.
Not much reward for Provincial winners over runners up!(other than getting the Provincial Cup of course).
Wonder will Rounds 2A/B and 3 be 1st out of bowl get home venue or neutral venues?
I wonder does this proposal remove automatic entry to the Sam Maguire for the Tailteann Cup winner, with entry based on the league positions and provincial championships only?
Quote from: lfdown2 on September 10, 2024, 05:03:18 PMI wonder does this proposal remove automatic entry to the Sam Maguire for the Tailteann Cup winner, with entry based on the league positions and provincial championships only?
No will be part of The eight teams in Round 2A.
Kerry 3/1
Dublin 10/3
Donegal 13/2
Galway 15/2
Derry 8/1
Armagh 9/1
Mayo 12/1
Tyrone 14/1
Bar 33/1
(Boylesports)
In terms of the bookies odds it's the most open championship in a long time.
Quote from: Easttyrone23 on September 11, 2024, 01:39:41 AMKerry 3/1
Dublin 10/3
Donegal 13/2
Galway 15/2
Derry 8/1
Armagh 9/1
Mayo 12/1
Tyrone 14/1
Bar 33/1
(Boylesports)
In terms of the bookies odds it's the most open championship in a long time.
Won't be easy to predict the two teams to get relegated from Division one next year.
The big question is why wait to 2026 to change format.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 11, 2024, 01:59:07 AMQuote from: Easttyrone23 on September 11, 2024, 01:39:41 AMKerry 3/1
Dublin 10/3
Donegal 13/2
Galway 15/2
Derry 8/1
Armagh 9/1
Mayo 12/1
Tyrone 14/1
Bar 33/1
(Boylesports)
In terms of the bookies odds it's the most open championship in a long time.
Won't be easy to predict the two teams to get relegated from Division one next year.
Mayo and Armagh.
Quote from: EmeraldOpal on September 11, 2024, 05:07:53 AMThe big question is why wait to 2026 to change format.
Rushing through changes doesn't work. Extensive evaluation required and put in meaningful changes.
Quote from: EmeraldOpal on September 11, 2024, 05:07:53 AMThe big question is why wait to 2026 to change format.
Reason given was that Galway footballers already had their trip to New York booked and Cork's pitch out of operation with few concerts.
Quote from: Rebel84 on September 11, 2024, 10:05:02 AMQuote from: Captain Obvious on September 11, 2024, 01:59:07 AMQuote from: Easttyrone23 on September 11, 2024, 01:39:41 AMKerry 3/1
Dublin 10/3
Donegal 13/2
Galway 15/2
Derry 8/1
Armagh 9/1
Mayo 12/1
Tyrone 14/1
Bar 33/1
(Boylesports)
In terms of the bookies odds it's the most open championship in a long time.
Won't be easy to predict the two teams to get relegated from Division one next year.
Mayo and Armagh.
Hard to know.
Derry could go tits up if the manager thing turns into a shambles. Galway surely can't be as injury plagued this time so should be ok. Tyrone will probably want to get a good run and momentum under O'Rourke.
As Dublin, Derry and ourselves have proved the last couple of years the league really doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things, it is possible to win Sam from division 2 and it is possible to have a woeful championship after a brilliant league.
I'd be hopeful we will stay up and get more gametime and experience against the Dublin/Mayo/Kerrys of this world if even just for the occasion.
Interestly, I wonder would we have been able to develop boys like Conaty and McGrane as well as we did this year if we had been fighting for survival in division 1?
Will rule changes be trailed in a proper competition on before its brought in everywhere for example will these choose some county league to trail it in like the Leitrim junior league or something.
Why not do the first team to score 2 points instead of overtime showdown
Could they do a run up penalty shootout you could even have defender there too then the shooter has choice to put it over or go for goal if he can beat the defender if the defender or goalkeeper blocks the ball its consider a miss and dead ball.
Quote from: EmeraldOpal on September 12, 2024, 01:28:26 AMWill rule changes be trailed in a proper competition on before its brought in everywhere for example will these choose some county league to trail it in like the Leitrim junior league or something.
or just leave the rules as are, we make drastic changes too our game way way too much.
Quote from: Saffron_sam20 on September 12, 2024, 08:21:02 AMQuote from: EmeraldOpal on September 12, 2024, 01:28:26 AMWill rule changes be trailed in a proper competition on before its brought in everywhere for example will these choose some county league to trail it in like the Leitrim junior league or something.
or just leave the rules as are, we make drastic changes too our game way way too much.
The game needs drastic changes though.
The only adult matches I tune into these days that don't involve Ballyholland or Down, are either the last stages of the AI, or games with Mayo playing.
Everything else turns me off.
So it's not football I'm tuning in for, but a sense of loyalty.
Admittedly I am a sample of one. Except most people I know from my generation have gone the same way.
Quote from: thewobbler on September 12, 2024, 08:30:09 AMQuote from: Saffron_sam20 on September 12, 2024, 08:21:02 AMQuote from: EmeraldOpal on September 12, 2024, 01:28:26 AMWill rule changes be trailed in a proper competition on before its brought in everywhere for example will these choose some county league to trail it in like the Leitrim junior league or something.
or just leave the rules as are, we make drastic changes too our game way way too much.
The game needs drastic changes though.
The only adult matches I tune into these days that don't involve Ballyholland or Down, are either the last stages of the AI, or games with Mayo playing.
Everything else turns me off.
So it's not football I'm tuning in for, but a sense of loyalty.
Admittedly I am a sample of one. Except most people I know from my generation have gone the same way.
Agree with you to an extent, but tbh id be similar with Soccer only watch games I have an interest in (even still watch Ireland games!) I watched 3 of the Tyrone champ games at the weekend on the aul firestick and really enjoyed them. yes it was possession based but the teams did go forward at pace and some great scores and plenty of tackles. prob helped that they were 3 tight games.
the problem isnt the rules its the coaches tactics. When you have people getting thousands out of clubs/counties in a result driven game then the spectacle goes out the window. no amount of rule changes will change that. Negative coaches will be negative regardless. when counties/ clubs start putting entertainment over results then we'd have a better spectacle but thats not going to happen and unfortunately its now win at all costs.
Didn't teams always go out to win rather than entertain?
That's why we've had scoreboards, trophies etc.since the 1880s
Quote from: Rossfan on September 12, 2024, 09:18:00 AMDidn't teams always go out to win rather than entertain?
That's why we've had scoreboards, trophies etc.since the 1880s
aye cause managers and coaches were getting thousands back then, youre either missing my point or ignoring it.
Quote from: EmeraldOpal on September 12, 2024, 01:28:26 AMWill rule changes be trailed in a proper competition on before its brought in everywhere for example will these choose some county league to trail it in like the Leitrim junior league or something.
This was in the Irish Independent "A trial run of their 'enhancements' for the sport will be staged in Croke Park on Friday, October 18 and Saturday 19, in the form of an inter-provincial competition, featuring players whose club involvements have concluded for the year.
The games – two semi-finals and two subsequent matches between the winners and losers – will be played under the proposed rules, which are in the advanced stages of being finalised by the FRC."
Looking at broadcasting it probably through TG4. Hopefully they look at them properly before implementing, every rule change or new structure for competitions is hailed as solving the defensive nature of football and the problem of meaningless games. Only to be reviewed in a couple of years when it turns out they weren't the answer.
If the GAA think the product is getting worse maybe they should reflect on the changes made in recent years and consider that they might be the cause.
Quote from: Saffron_sam20 on September 12, 2024, 08:21:02 AMQuote from: EmeraldOpal on September 12, 2024, 01:28:26 AMWill rule changes be trailed in a proper competition on before its brought in everywhere for example will these choose some county league to trail it in like the Leitrim junior league or something.
or just leave the rules as are, we make drastic changes too our game way way too much.
100% agree.
Quote from: Saffron_sam20 on September 12, 2024, 09:37:57 AMQuote from: Rossfan on September 12, 2024, 09:18:00 AMDidn't teams always go out to win rather than entertain?
That's why we've had scoreboards, trophies etc.since the 1880s
aye cause managers and coaches were getting thousands back then, youre either missing my point or ignoring it.
Teams/coaches/trainers/mentors never went out to entertain whether paid or not.
They went out TO WIN.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 12, 2024, 11:11:04 AMQuote from: Saffron_sam20 on September 12, 2024, 09:37:57 AMQuote from: Rossfan on September 12, 2024, 09:18:00 AMDidn't teams always go out to win rather than entertain?
That's why we've had scoreboards, trophies etc.since the 1880s
aye cause managers and coaches were getting thousands back then, youre either missing my point or ignoring it.
Teams/coaches/trainers/mentors never went out to entertain whether paid or not.
They went out TO WIN.
so you dont think managers taking thousands off clubs has anything to do with club football in a lot of places being more boring? I think it does but again thats my opinion.
No mater what rules we introduce managers/ coaches will work ways round them, its the same in every sport in the world. Were people crying for changes to the Soccer rules when Pulis and Big Sam were doing their thing in the premier league? no, sports go in cycles. Football is fine, if anything do away with the forward mark. its becoming too stop start, the 1 rule I do like is the free to yourself to restart play.
The best football as a spectacle was the early 00s. The rules weren't a problem then, they still arent now, as said the issue is the managers/ coaches
Opinions indeed.
Pateen Spillane didn't think much of the "puke" football in the 00s.
By the way how many advanced marks are there in an average game?
3? 5?
Maybe clamp down on feckin throwball and on the man in possession!
Quote from: GTP on September 12, 2024, 10:47:54 AMQuote from: EmeraldOpal on September 12, 2024, 01:28:26 AMWill rule changes be trailed in a proper competition on before its brought in everywhere for example will these choose some county league to trail it in like the Leitrim junior league or something.
This was in the Irish Independent "A trial run of their 'enhancements' for the sport will be staged in Croke Park on Friday, October 18 and Saturday 19, in the form of an inter-provincial competition, featuring players whose club involvements have concluded for the year.
The games – two semi-finals and two subsequent matches between the winners and losers – will be played under the proposed rules, which are in the advanced stages of being finalised by the FRC."
Looking at broadcasting it probably through TG4. Hopefully they look at them properly before implementing, every rule change or new structure for competitions is hailed as solving the defensive nature of football and the problem of meaningless games. Only to be reviewed in a couple of years when it turns out they weren't the answer.
If the GAA think the product is getting worse maybe they should reflect on the changes made in recent years and consider that they might be the cause.
These rule changes are being looked at by the FRC which has a much more impressive/capable makeup compared to the standing rules committee which have been in place for way too long and has been made up of some distinctly unimpressive individuals.
There's been far more testing and tweaking of these rules in games/on pitches by the FRC compared to what the SRC has done.
There's also the fact that a number of the standing rules committee are hurling people which is utter madness given the power the standing rules committee has in relation to the rules of the game.
Having the main committee that comes up with rule changes be the same people for both hurling and football is just pure stupidity.
Quote from: thewobbler on September 12, 2024, 08:30:09 AMQuote from: Saffron_sam20 on September 12, 2024, 08:21:02 AMQuote from: EmeraldOpal on September 12, 2024, 01:28:26 AMWill rule changes be trailed in a proper competition on before its brought in everywhere for example will these choose some county league to trail it in like the Leitrim junior league or something.
or just leave the rules as are, we make drastic changes too our game way way too much.
The game needs drastic changes though.
The only adult matches I tune into these days that don't involve Ballyholland or Down, are either the last stages of the AI, or games with Mayo playing.
Everything else turns me off.
So it's not football I'm tuning in for, but a sense of loyalty.
Admittedly I am a sample of one. Except most people I know from my generation have gone the same way.
Mayo have been as risk averse as any team has been over the last 2 or 3 years, Western People had a good article on Mayo's style of play at the moment and it's not one to get bums off seats. During games with the Mayo's slow laborious play you can hear a pin drop in a full MacHale Park stand nowadays.
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/news/minister-dismisses-tuv-complaints-over-firefighters-pic-with-armagh-gaa-star-who-lost-family-members-in-crash/a932974932.html
It's 2024 and this is the sort of thing us in the six counties still have to deal with.
Quote from: Easttyrone23 on October 21, 2024, 02:26:06 AMhttps://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/news/minister-dismisses-tuv-complaints-over-firefighters-pic-with-armagh-gaa-star-who-lost-family-members-in-crash/a932974932.html
It's 2024 and this is the sort of thing us in the six counties still have to deal with.
Anyone got the full thing?
The TUV are a vile bunch of bastards.
Niall is the definition of a gentleman and what he's been through in the last few years has been horrible and he's a credit to himself and his family achieving what he has despite all of it.
In a series of Assembly questions, the TUV's Timothy Gaston demanded to know whether fire staff would continue to pose for images, the minister's assessment of their actions, and whether the event at Armagh Fire Station breached employment rules.
But dismissing the North Antrim MLA's concerns, Mr Nesbitt praised the firefighters involved and spoke of how they had tried to save the lives of two relatives of Armagh footballer Niall Grimley who died in a crash in 2023.
The championship-winning midfielder who visited Armagh Fire Station month with the Sam Maguire trophy to say thank you to staff.
His older brother Patrick was killed in the accident when returning from his surprise 40th birthday, with Patrick's wife Ciera and as Ciara McElvanna — wife of Armagh's 2002 All-Ireland winner Kevin — also losing their lives.
Dismissing the concerns raised by Mr Gaston, Mr Nesbitt said: "A member of the Armagh All-Ireland winning football team attended Armagh Fire Station along with family members as an expression of gratitude and recognition of the personnel for their response to a road traffic collision in which three people tragically lost their lives.
"Two of the victims of this tragic collision were relatives of the Armagh player who attended the station. He is also a road safety ambassador for The Road Ahead Support Group charity, to which the Armagh firefighters made a personal donation.
"Another victim of the tragedy was the wife of a former Armagh All-Ireland football winner, and along with his family, he attended the event."
TUV MLA Timothy Gaston
Mr Nesbitt spoke of how the Grimley and McElvanna families has personally thanked the firefighters.
He said: "This tragedy had a significant impact on the families of the deceased, the local community and the firefighters who responded, many of whom knew the victims.
"NI Fire and Rescue believes this approach was consistent with its responsibilities as a fair and equitable employer and that it was the right thing to do in supporting not only the families impacted by this incident but also the firefighters who responded."
After winning the All-Ireland in July, Niall Grimley paid an emotional tribute to his dead brother Patrick, his wife Ciera and friend Ciara McElvanna.
He said: "You wish you could get the chance to see (Patrick) again... but it's like 'Ah no, he's not here for this and I wish he was'. (Winning) was a special, unbelievable moment but a very sad moment."
Speaking after Niall Grimley brought the Sam Maguire trophy to Armagh Fire Station, on-call watch commander Kevin McAuley said: "It has been a very special evening for us as a group. It's really important that we continue to support and educate people on the importance of road safety.
"Tragically people in this room have lost family members in road traffic collisions and this was one of our ways that we would like to show support to the families and local community."
Timothy Gaston is a chip off the old bigoted loyalist block.
He got his knickers in a twist over bilingual manhole covers which were installed in Ballymena as part of public realms works. His father had the local McDonald's drive-through change a sign saying "Yield" to "Give Way", because the former is used on road signage in the South and presumably sounds too feniany.
A pair of wankers.
Imagine being that bitter. That's horrendous.
How bitter do you have to be? Seriously like.
No doubt yearning for the good old days when no "Fenians" were allowed have public jobs.
Still seething you can't chain up the swings in the local play parks on a Sunday I'd say.
Probably a bit of grandstanding in there too. Have to keep fomenting the bitterness and show you're "fighting" for the "cause".
How many County panels back in collective training (aka "having trials")?
Quote from: Rossfan on October 29, 2024, 12:09:36 PMHow many County panels back in collective training (aka "having trials")?
A lot of gym work going on at the moment with counties, with the new rules it will be survival of the fittest more so than before.
Derry are flat out. Done over 20 sessions done already
Quote from: toby47 on October 29, 2024, 04:56:30 PMDerry are flat out. Done over 20 sessions done already
Burnout by March again
Quote from: toby47 on October 29, 2024, 04:56:30 PMDerry are flat out. Done over 20 sessions done already
With no manager who is overseeing those sessions?
Quote from: Blowitupref on October 29, 2024, 05:41:03 PMQuote from: toby47 on October 29, 2024, 04:56:30 PMDerry are flat out. Done over 20 sessions done already
With no manager who is overseeing those sessions?
Some guy with a big moustache and glasses, Fermanagh accent
Quote from: JoG2 on October 29, 2024, 06:22:30 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on October 29, 2024, 05:41:03 PMQuote from: toby47 on October 29, 2024, 04:56:30 PMDerry are flat out. Done over 20 sessions done already
With no manager who is overseeing those sessions?
Some guy with a big moustache and glasses, Fermanagh accent
That sounds very like big Jim McDonald, so it does
Quote from: JoG2 on October 29, 2024, 06:22:30 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on October 29, 2024, 05:41:03 PMQuote from: toby47 on October 29, 2024, 04:56:30 PMDerry are flat out. Done over 20 sessions done already
With no manager who is overseeing those sessions?
Some guy with a big moustache and glasses, Fermanagh accent
Fermanagh accent is apparently fake.
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 30, 2024, 01:29:33 PMQuote from: JoG2 on October 29, 2024, 06:22:30 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on October 29, 2024, 05:41:03 PMQuote from: toby47 on October 29, 2024, 04:56:30 PMDerry are flat out. Done over 20 sessions done already
With no manager who is overseeing those sessions?
Some guy with a big moustache and glasses, Fermanagh accent
Fermanagh accent is apparently fake.
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;D the messiah!