I think the winner this match will win the final. I have a feeling mind you that like Mayo in 2021, Galway, by beating the Dubs, may have won the final for someone else
Watch out for the splinters there Dougal. ;)
Can't call it, fairly well matched in terms of big men across the middle third, runners from deep and 2 very good full forwards in Comer and Gallen. Donegal have the better keeper but Galway if they have Walsh fit have that wee bit extra quality I think. Kick of a ball in it either way though.
I Think Its Wonderfull and Exciting That Two Teams From The West Coast Of Ireland Will Play Each Other In The All Ire Semi
There is a Strong Connection With both Countys both With Our Gaeltach Connections And so Many Donegal People going to College and Working Living In Galway Over The Generations
A lot will depend on the fitness of Kelly, Walsh and Comer.
If they are all fit then Galway will be favourites and rightfully so. If not then Donegal have every chance.
One thing Donegal need to develop is the ability to find a full forward with a long kick pass. What they do they do very well but it is a bit one dimensional.
Quote from: inthrough on July 02, 2024, 10:25:13 PMA lot will depend on the fitness of Kelly, Walsh and Comer.
If they are all fit then Galway will be favourites and rightfully so. If not then Donegal have every chance.
One thing Donegal need to develop is the ability to find a full forward with a long kick pass. What they do they do very well but it is a bit one dimensional.
Very unlikely Kelly will be fit. He's been struggling all year and hasn't been playing well. In his current condition he's actually not much of a loss. Galway would be much better off with a fully fit player in there. At 100% he'd get on any team in the country but he hasn't been that player this year.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 03, 2024, 12:04:46 AMQuote from: inthrough on July 02, 2024, 10:25:13 PMA lot will depend on the fitness of Kelly, Walsh and Comer.
If they are all fit then Galway will be favourites and rightfully so. If not then Donegal have every chance.
One thing Donegal need to develop is the ability to find a full forward with a long kick pass. What they do they do very well but it is a bit one dimensional.
Very unlikely Kelly will be fit. He's been struggling all year and hasn't been playing well. In his current condition he's actually not much of a loss. Galway would be much better off with a fully fit player in there. At 100% he'd get on any team in the country but he hasn't been that player this year.
Walsh looked like he went off holding his hamstring, which (if accurate) is hard to fix in 2 weeks.
Galway of the last four are the hardest team to figure out.
Late goals allowed them to fall over the line against Westmeath,Sligo. Mayo was in control of the Connacht final and managed to lose it. Armagh looked beat and Galway allowed them back into the game to draw and top the group. All form suggested they wouldn't beat Dublin and found themselves four points down at half time yet went on to win by outscoring Dublin 0-10 to 0-5 in the second half.
Quote from: OgraAnDun on July 03, 2024, 01:05:07 PMQuote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 03, 2024, 12:04:46 AMQuote from: inthrough on July 02, 2024, 10:25:13 PMA lot will depend on the fitness of Kelly, Walsh and Comer.
If they are all fit then Galway will be favourites and rightfully so. If not then Donegal have every chance.
One thing Donegal need to develop is the ability to find a full forward with a long kick pass. What they do they do very well but it is a bit one dimensional.
Walsh looked like he went off holding his hamstring, which (if accurate) is hard to fix in 2 weeks.
Very unlikely Kelly will be fit. He's been struggling all year and hasn't been playing well. In his current condition he's actually not much of a loss. Galway would be much better off with a fully fit player in there. At 100% he'd get on any team in the country but he hasn't been that player this year.
Whatever Walsh has I don't think it'll keep him out. He looked delighted at the end of the game and seemed positive enough since. He's obviously carrying something though.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 03, 2024, 04:47:48 PMQuote from: OgraAnDun on July 03, 2024, 01:05:07 PMQuote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 03, 2024, 12:04:46 AMQuote from: inthrough on July 02, 2024, 10:25:13 PMA lot will depend on the fitness of Kelly, Walsh and Comer.
If they are all fit then Galway will be favourites and rightfully so. If not then Donegal have every chance.
One thing Donegal need to develop is the ability to find a full forward with a long kick pass. What they do they do very well but it is a bit one dimensional.
Walsh looked like he went off holding his hamstring, which (if accurate) is hard to fix in 2 weeks.
Very unlikely Kelly will be fit. He's been struggling all year and hasn't been playing well. In his current condition he's actually not much of a loss. Galway would be much better off with a fully fit player in there. At 100% he'd get on any team in the country but he hasn't been that player this year.
Whatever Walsh has I don't think it'll keep him out. He looked delighted at the end of the game and seemed positive enough since. He's obviously carrying something though.
He's clearly playing through the pain and would be sitting out games if it was the NFL instead instead of the business end of the championship.
Far as I know, the only major Donegal concern is Jason McGee. He's missed the past few matches, but before that was having a break-out season at midfield, arguably second only to Peadar Mogan in influence on the team. We could do with having him back given Galway's size and physicality in that part of the field.
Quote from: J70 on July 03, 2024, 05:05:46 PMFar as I know, the only major Donegal concern is Jason McGee. He's missed the past few matches, but before that was having a break-out season at midfield, arguably second only to Peadar Mogan in influence on the team. We could do with having him back given Galway's size and physicality in that part of the field.
Be a big loss surely, man mountain that lad!
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 03, 2024, 05:13:31 PMQuote from: J70 on July 03, 2024, 05:05:46 PMFar as I know, the only major Donegal concern is Jason McGee. He's missed the past few matches, but before that was having a break-out season at midfield, arguably second only to Peadar Mogan in influence on the team. We could do with having him back given Galway's size and physicality in that part of the field.
Be a big loss surely, man mountain that lad!
He's filled out into a monster all right!
First few seasons he was very light. Think he even went back down to the 21s after his initial senior year.
Definitely found his feet at senior this past year though.
Come on Jimmy bring back the Murph
Looking forward to this game its a very close call however galway may sneak it by a point or two maybe in extra time
Wonder what has happened to Seafoid? He was last active June 3rd. Galway getting to a semi, would normally see him go into overdrive.
A bit unfair on supporters selling tickets in the Upper Davin before the Upper Hogan, no guarantee I suppose they'll even open the Upper Hogan as they didn't for last Saturday either.
Reckon the logic with this it is that the viewers can't see the empty seats in the Hogan Stand.
Quote from: GalwayBay1966 on July 02, 2024, 08:11:54 AMI Think Its Wonderfull and Exciting That Two Teams From The West Coast Of Ireland Will Play Each Other In The All Ire Semi
There is a Strong Connection With both Countys both With Our Gaeltach Connections And so Many Donegal People going to College and Working Living In Galway Over The Generations
Connection through language?
Two almost completely different dialects!
Galway are favourites because they beat Dublin. I fancy Donegal to win this with a few points to spare, they have managed to have the best route to the semi with a mixture of games played well, could have done better and room for improvement.
Injuries to key players on both sides will play a part and how they both play the ref, it will be a better game that the other I feel for entertainment
I'm really looking forward to this game.
Both teams have realistic chances if winning the AI, both have got to where they are unexpectedly with the Galway injuries and the donegal form last year.
Well set up, Galway might have a bit too much up front but nothing would surprise me.
Mcguinness will have donegal primed.
Championship form
Galway P8 W7 D1 L0. Scored 9-122 (149) and conceded 1-103 (106) that's an average of 19 points per game and conceded 13.
Donegal P7 W6* L1 (*one win via a shootout) scored 7-132 (153) and conceded 3-99 (108) that's an average of 22 points per game and conceded 15.
Looking forward to this one myself.
No matter who wins this year I think next year there'll be 8 teams genuinely thinking they've a good chance of winning the AI. The 4 semi finalists this year, Derry, Mayo, Dublin and Tyrone could all realistically go on a run.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 05, 2024, 12:59:30 PMGalway are favourites because they beat Dublin. I fancy Donegal to win this with a few points to spare, they have managed to have the best route to the semi with a mixture of games played well, could have done better and room for improvement.
Injuries to key players on both sides will play a part and how they both play the ref, it will be a better game that the other I feel for entertainment
And rightly so, how would Donegal have fared against Dublin with it their 3rd match in 14 days when you consider Donegal struggled and lost to Cork when it was 2nd match in 7 days.
Galway haven't lost a championship game by a bit to spare since 2021, the way they set up doesn't allow it but their system also allows teams they should be beating by a bit to spare to stay in games. On the injury front the main question is will two weeks be enough time for Shane Walsh to overcome his hamstring injury, the deciding factor for me in match that will likely be won or lost on fine margins.
Mayo beat Dublin, lost the final, there is no given right that beating the Dubs should make you favourites in my view. Sometimes the hype of beating Dublin can be too much, no doubt PJ, who has plenty of experience to draw from will deflect the attention from them
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 05, 2024, 04:11:16 PMMayo beat Dublin, lost the final, there is no given right that beating the Dubs should make you favourites in my view. Sometimes the hype of beating Dublin can be too much, no doubt PJ, who has plenty of experience to draw from will deflect the attention from them
More than just beating Dublin. Bookies and punters would take into account that Galway reached the 2022 All Ireland final and that match was in the balance going into added time. Donegal haven't reached All Ireland final since 2014.
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 05, 2024, 03:32:14 PMLooking forward to this one myself.
No matter who wins this year I think next year there'll be 8 teams genuinely thinking they've a good chance of winning the AI. The 4 semi finalists this year, Derry, Mayo, Dublin and Tyrone could all realistically go on a run.
Most teams could go on a run if the big guns were taken out early enough.
This year's championship was tootling along , all these matches to see who Kerry and Dublin will stuff in the semi finals.
Then Dublin was beat and suddenly the whole thing opened up. Kerry probably have the edge of the 4 teams as they've got over the line in 2022, but it goes to show if we had an open championship, with big guns taking each other out, we could have really interesting championships most years instead of the usual cannon fodder, And. the same teams playing each other when it really matters
Quote from: AustinPowers on July 05, 2024, 06:03:52 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on July 05, 2024, 03:32:14 PMLooking forward to this one myself.
No matter who wins this year I think next year there'll be 8 teams genuinely thinking they've a good chance of winning the AI. The 4 semi finalists this year, Derry, Mayo, Dublin and Tyrone could all realistically go on a run.
Most teams could go on a run if the big guns were taken out early enough.
This year's championship was tootling along , all these matches to see who Kerry and Dublin will stuff in the semi finals.
Then Dublin was beat and suddenly the whole thing opened up. Kerry probably have the edge of the 4 teams as they've got over the line in 2022, but it goes to show if we had an open championship, with big guns taking each other out, we could have really interesting championships most years instead of the usual cannon fodder, And. the same teams playing each other when it really matters
Goes to show that any of the teams that would be considered in that bracket below Dublin and Kerry can take them out with a big performance, that they really arent that far ahead and Dublin especially will come back into the pack now that the legends are finishing up.
We have entering a decade where All Ireland titles should be shared among a handful of counties.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 05, 2024, 06:53:02 PMWe have entering a decade where All Ireland titles should be shared among a handful of counties.
It will never be more than a handful in a given decade, and that is much better than one.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 05, 2024, 07:08:18 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on July 05, 2024, 06:53:02 PMWe have entering a decade where All Ireland titles should be shared among a handful of counties.
It will never be more than a handful in a given decade, and that is much better than one.
Last ten years Dublin 7, Kerry 2, Tyrone 1. I expect the next ten years to be well shared out among 4 or 5 counties.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 05, 2024, 07:15:09 PMQuote from: armaghniac on July 05, 2024, 07:08:18 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on July 05, 2024, 06:53:02 PMWe have entering a decade where All Ireland titles should be shared among a handful of counties.
It will never be more than a handful in a given decade, and that is much better than one.
Last ten years Dublin 7, Kerry 2, Tyrone 1. I expect the next ten years to be well shared out among 4 or 5 counties.
I think (hope) that the 4 semi finalists this year will win at least 1 each this decade.
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 05, 2024, 07:16:54 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on July 05, 2024, 07:15:09 PMQuote from: armaghniac on July 05, 2024, 07:08:18 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on July 05, 2024, 06:53:02 PMWe have entering a decade where All Ireland titles should be shared among a handful of counties.
It will never be more than a handful in a given decade, and that is much better than one.
Last ten years Dublin 7, Kerry 2, Tyrone 1. I expect the next ten years to be well shared out among 4 or 5 counties.
I think (hope) that the 4 semi finalists this year will win at least 1 each this decade.
I'm not sure about Armagh if they don't get it done this year Campbell, Murnin, Grugan, Forker are all big players approaching mid 30s and leaders within group who will be hard to replace.
Judging by ticketmaster looks like there'll be a big crowd Sunday.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 09, 2024, 11:11:54 AMJudging by ticketmaster looks like there'll be a big crowd Sunday.
You never quite know what seats they have made available etc. But Donegal people will follow the Messiah and perhaps Galway support will now get going.
They probably should bring a raincoat, judging by the current forecast, but rain should be familiar to Western seaboard people. But if they open the upper decks then these are dry at least.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 09, 2024, 11:11:54 AMJudging by ticketmaster looks like there'll be a big crowd Sunday.
I've been keeping an eye on TM since tickets first went on sale. Lower tier tickets for central sections have never been available there, so maybe they're holding them back until all the worst seats have been purchased first. Either that or they've allocated them to the clubs or made them available through retail outlets, e.g. SuperValu, Centra. Can't see the crowd being any > 55K.
Hi lads.
Have been away so haven't really been concentrating on getting a ticket for Sunday until now.
I see on TM that currently available tickets seem to be either towards the end line or in the Upper tiers.
What are the chances of Lower Hogan a bit more central appearing before the weekend do ye think?
Cheers
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 09, 2024, 11:11:54 AMJudging by ticketmaster looks like there'll be a big crowd Sunday.
Sundays will always get a bigger crowd imo - Saturday games are awful, hate the sight of them, travelling to & from Dublin with Saturday traffic, giving up your Saturday evening/night (if driving). I actually think Saturday AI semis should be banned!
According to Crokepark.ie the expected attendance for this match on Sunday is 60k and for Saturday 55k
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 09, 2024, 06:28:28 PMAccording to Crokepark.ie the expected attendance for this match on Sunday is 60k and for Saturday 55k
Which are pretty creditable crowds, given that the likes of Cork or Dublin are not involved.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 09, 2024, 06:41:40 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on July 09, 2024, 06:28:28 PMAccording to Crokepark.ie the expected attendance for this match on Sunday is 60k and for Saturday 55k
Which are pretty creditable crowds, given that the likes of Cork or Dublin are not involved.
Big bandwagon following Cork Hurlers at the moment but would take something serious to change with their footballers to attract close to the same interest.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 09, 2024, 06:41:40 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on July 09, 2024, 06:28:28 PMAccording to Crokepark.ie the expected attendance for this match on Sunday is 60k and for Saturday 55k
Which are pretty creditable crowds, given that the likes of Cork or Dublin are not involved.
I would be one of the first to criticize Armagh folk, but they aren't the ones to blame for that lower turnout on the Saturday. Kerry fans letting the country down.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on July 09, 2024, 07:14:57 PMQuote from: armaghniac on July 09, 2024, 06:41:40 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on July 09, 2024, 06:28:28 PMAccording to Crokepark.ie the expected attendance for this match on Sunday is 60k and for Saturday 55k
Which are pretty creditable crowds, given that the likes of Cork or Dublin are not involved.
I would be one of the first to criticize Armagh folk, but they aren't the ones to blame for that lower turnout on the Saturday. Kerry fans letting the country down.
What'd we ever do? :D
Think the only people I've spoken to who aren't going are people on holidays!
Quote from: armaghniac on July 09, 2024, 06:41:40 PMWhich are pretty creditable crowds, given that the likes of Cork Mayo or Dublin are not involved.
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 09, 2024, 07:12:56 PMQuote from: armaghniac on July 09, 2024, 06:41:40 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on July 09, 2024, 06:28:28 PMAccording to Crokepark.ie the expected attendance for this match on Sunday is 60k and for Saturday 55k
Which are pretty creditable crowds, given that the likes of Cork or Dublin are not involved.
Big bandwagon following Cork Hurlers at the moment but would take something serious to change with their footballers to attract close to the same interest.
Cork is a hurling county and always had a big following I thought?
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 09, 2024, 08:44:52 PMQuote from: armaghniac on July 09, 2024, 06:41:40 PMWhich are pretty creditable crowds, given that the likes of Cork Mayo or Dublin are not involved.
When was the last time Mayo brought a big crowd to a game? 2019 semi v Dublin?
Can't hold a candle to Dublin, Cork & Limerick (hurling) or even Armagh any more
Quote from: Manning18 on July 09, 2024, 10:19:31 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on July 09, 2024, 08:44:52 PMQuote from: armaghniac on July 09, 2024, 06:41:40 PMWhich are pretty creditable crowds, given that the likes of Cork Mayo or Dublin are not involved.
When was the last time Mayo brought a big crowd to a game? 2019 semi v Dublin?
Can't hold a candle to Dublin, Cork & Limerick (hurling) or even Armagh any more
Ah Jez, Mayo were the Golden Goose for the GAA coffers for the last 20 years! Their football season tickets were impossible to join.
Look at the Crowd of Mayo People who went to New York this year.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 09, 2024, 11:19:09 PMQuote from: Manning18 on July 09, 2024, 10:19:31 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on July 09, 2024, 08:44:52 PMQuote from: armaghniac on July 09, 2024, 06:41:40 PMWhich are pretty creditable crowds, given that the likes of Cork Mayo or Dublin are not involved.
When was the last time Mayo brought a big crowd to a game? 2019 semi v Dublin?
Can't hold a candle to Dublin, Cork & Limerick (hurling) or even Armagh any more
Ah Jez, Mayo were the Golden Goose for the GAA coffers for the last 20 years! Their football season tickets were impossible to join.
Look at the Crowd of Mayo People who went to New York this year.
Probably tells its own story though. Why 6k people would go to a walkover (or pissup) in NY and half that wouldn't make the easy trip to the Hyde for the group game
That paltry crowd this year, or the 3k or so at the Kildare qualifier also, is understandable in the context of falling crowds nationwide and falling on busy summer weekends. It's a far cry though still from Mayo qualifier games 8-10 years ago and the travelling crowd
More stark still was the last two quarter finals when Mayo were outnumbered by Armagh about 4 to 1 in 2022, and 3 to 1 by Dubs in 2023. No excuse there as to the importance of the games
It's still a decent supporter size but the bandwagon has predictably fallen away sharply once the team fell out of all Ireland contention. Same as every other bandwagon
In terms of the game where are Galway fitness wise?
Like if they get Comer and Walsh going well it's some difference.
Sean Kelly too, and their bench is stronger too.
IF they get to the final they could be stronger again.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on July 10, 2024, 10:10:19 AMIn terms of the game where are Galway fitness wise?
Like if they get Comer and Walsh going well it's some difference.
Sean Kelly too, and their bench is stronger too.
IF they get to the final they could be stronger again.
That's the big question for this game.
Even in terms of physical fitness a big thing for me is match fitness/sharpness - it's one thing to get players on the pitch but I'd be concerned about the levels of sharpness in a semi-final. Two weeks isn't exactly much time to get players tuned in, if the main focus is trying to get players right physically.
Looking back on the Dublin game, Galway were really lucky to still be in the game at half-time. They were being beaten all over the place in the first half by Dublin.I do think there is a possibility this actually helped Galway in the second half - it really looked to me like a few of the Dublin got a bit complacent and struggled when the game was in the melting pot in the second half.
If they perform anything like that in the first half the next day I don't think Donegal will be anywhere as close to Dublin in terms of not making hay while on top.
Personally I'd be leaning towards Donegal for the win mainly because of Galway's fitness issues and how Walsh and Comer looked the last day.
Quote from: twohands!!! on July 11, 2024, 12:32:25 PMQuote from: Captain Scarlet on July 10, 2024, 10:10:19 AMIn terms of the game where are Galway fitness wise?
Like if they get Comer and Walsh going well it's some difference.
Sean Kelly too, and their bench is stronger too.
IF they get to the final they could be stronger again.
Looking back on the Dublin game, Galway were really lucky to still be in the game at half-time. They were being beaten all over the place in the first half by Dublin.I do think there is a possibility this actually helped Galway in the second half - it really looked to me like a few of the Dublin got a bit complacent and struggled when the game was in the melting pot in the second half.
The stats don't bare out this narrative at all
https://x.com/somearagaa/status/1807110775724470570?t=XS2TqXtGmk7_FRTiDuUX2Q&s=19
Dublin led at half time because they won 4 of Galway's kickouts, and because their scoring accuracy was 92% to Galway's 70%. Every other metric was equal in the first half. A 92% conversion rate by Dublin was ridiculous and not sustainable
Galway completely took the game over in the third quarter and kicked more bad wides. The only reason Galway were behind going into the final quarter and not well ahead was their conversion rate in front of the posts. By that stage they were dominant all over the field
For me, a fully fit Galway will beat a fully fit Donegal.
So it will come down to where the players are at.
Both Midfields will cancel each other out I feel, and both sets of forwards have potential to do real damage.
So, defensive setups will be the order of the day and how quickly defence can transition into attack will decide it.
Just like all games these days I suppose.
I really hope both teams are as close to full strength as possible to make a spectacle of it.
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 11, 2024, 02:03:33 PMFor me, a fully fit Galway will beat a fully fit Donegal.
So it will come down to where the players are at.
Both Midfields will cancel each other out I feel, and both sets of forwards have potential to do real damage.
So, defensive setups will be the order of the day and how quickly defence can transition into attack will decide it.
Just like all games these days I suppose.
I really hope both teams are as close to full strength as possible to make a spectacle of it.
Difficult to see Kelly anywhere near full fitness, he was taken off after 22 mins V Dublin.
Walsh obviously has a hamstring issue
Daly CHB in all Ireland Two years ago has been hurt for last month or six weeks.
Finnerty Ditto.
That is four key players that started the 2022 All-ireland.
Quote from: joemamas on July 11, 2024, 05:01:31 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on July 11, 2024, 02:03:33 PMFor me, a fully fit Galway will beat a fully fit Donegal.
So it will come down to where the players are at.
Both Midfields will cancel each other out I feel, and both sets of forwards have potential to do real damage.
So, defensive setups will be the order of the day and how quickly defence can transition into attack will decide it.
Just like all games these days I suppose.
I really hope both teams are as close to full strength as possible to make a spectacle of it.
Difficult to see Kelly anywhere near full fitness, he was taken off after 22 mins V Dublin.
Walsh obviously has a hamstring issue
Daly CHB in all Ireland Two years ago has been hurt for last month or six weeks.
Finnerty Ditto.
That is four key players that started the 2022 All-ireland.
He's fallen more out of favour, Sean Mulkerrin back after injury lay off himself and stepped in and has impressed. Sean Kelly will be main injury doubt. Walsh will likely play with injury again and if he produces another 0-7 display it will go a long way to leading Galway back to All Ireland final.
I haven't heard anything concrete but I can't see any way in which Sean Kelly plays.
He's been hobbling around even on days he has played - and been ineffective as a result.
They would have been better off playing someone fully fit and trying to get the injury fully right.
I'd have the opposite opinion re Walsh, Comer, Finnerty - purely because they do the damage for us on the scoreboard. Without them we're fucked simple as. Finnerty is clearly hampered with his knee but they are delaying surgery on it until Galway's season is over.
Comer is a strange one. I couldn't believe he lasted the full Dublin game.
If Shane's is hammer it's hard to see him playing. Been hampered all season and hasnt been able to take frees off the ground (nor has Tierney) which he was brilliant at in 2022.
The one thing I did hear is that seemingly Cian Hernon was injured in training so won't play at the weekend.
He's a loss - wasn't too far away from a start.
If Shane doesn't play we really need other lads to step up - we would not have beaten Dublin without him.
Will need Damo, Rob, Mattie to step up. All were well marshalled by the Dubs albeit Damo was heavily involved in a lot of second half scores
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 11, 2024, 05:20:26 PMQuote from: joemamas on July 11, 2024, 05:01:31 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on July 11, 2024, 02:03:33 PMFor me, a fully fit Galway will beat a fully fit Donegal.
So it will come down to where the players are at.
Both Midfields will cancel each other out I feel, and both sets of forwards have potential to do real damage.
So, defensive setups will be the order of the day and how quickly defence can transition into attack will decide it.
Just like all games these days I suppose.
I really hope both teams are as close to full strength as possible to make a spectacle of it.
Difficult to see Kelly anywhere near full fitness, he was taken off after 22 mins V Dublin.
Walsh obviously has a hamstring issue
Daly CHB in all Ireland Two years ago has been hurt for last month or six weeks.
Finnerty Ditto.
That is four key players that started the 2022 All-ireland.
He's fallen more out of favour, Sean Mulkerrin back after injury lay off himself and stepped in and has impressed. Sean Kelly will be main injury doubt. Walsh will likely play with injury again and if he produces another 0-7 display it will go a long way to leading Galway back to All Ireland final.
My understanding is that John Daly has had a knee problem for a while - that's why he hasn't featured
A fully fit team! Now there's an myth..
I've very rarely seen a fully fit team, or a squad that has all its best players available, county or club, but it's a brilliant excuse.
Jimmy and PJ will have their best 15 starting and the best subs available.
There's more people injured or unavailable or for whatever reason not playing nowadays than ever before.
Yet another injury in the Galway camp apparently. A new one this time.
Ah I see it's mentioned above.
I don't buy this narrative in the media that Donegal will be happy with their lot for the year.
They might never get a better chance to win Sam this year given the way things have worked out.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on July 12, 2024, 09:29:07 AMI don't buy this narrative in the media that Donegal will be happy with their lot for the year.
They might never get a better chance to win Sam this year given the way things have worked out.
This won't be lost on Jim, if anyone can do it thon boyo can - story of the year so far
Donegal line-up, for what it's worth.
Main question has been over Jason McGee, and he's in the 26. Whether he makes it to that or even the first 15 remains to be seen.
I'll be very surprised if Jeac Mac Ceallabhui starts. Or if Conor O'Donnell doesn't at least make the 26 (unless he's been dropped due to new injury).
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSRwHGLW0AAoZ6C?format=jpg&name=medium)
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 11, 2024, 06:35:44 PMYet another injury in the Galway camp apparently. A new one this time.
Ah I see it's mentioned above.
a real head scratcher this one.
People forget, Galway were level with ten minutes to go in an All-Ireland final two years ago.
How do you handicap a not fully fit,
Walsh
Kelly
Daly
Finnerty,
will the peripheral Galway players step up.
I think Donegal half back line are very vunerable, Armagh showed that in Ulster final, Cork ditto.
Can Galway win without the aforementioned not fit players, doubtful.
At least I hope it is a decent game whoever wins.
Galway name unchanged team from the win over Dublin.
Connor Gleeson
Johnny McGrath
Seán Fitzgerald
Jack Glynn
Dylan McHugh
Liam Silke
Séan Mulkerrin
Paul Conroy
Sean Kelly
Matthew Tierney
John Maher
Cillian McDaid
Robert Finnerty
Damien Comer
Shane Walsh
Subs: Conor Flaherty, John Daly, Eoghan Kelly, Daniel Ó Flaherty, Kieran Molloy, Cathal Sweeney, Cein Darcy, Johnny Heaney, Liam Ó Conghaile, Tomo Culhane, Niall Daly
Only player that featured the last day and misses out is Cian Hernon and he's replaced on the bench by the more experienced player Cathal Sweeney.
Tommy Martin article headline in the Irish examiner about Donegal nearly being more of a Connacht county than a Ulster one.
Saying there's too much similarity between Galway and Donegal for any beef.
Do Donegal people agree with this?
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on July 12, 2024, 03:50:55 PMTommy Martin article headline in the Irish examiner about Donegal nearly being more of a Connacht county than a Ulster one.
Saying there's too much similarity between Galway and Donegal for any beef.
Do Donegal people agree with this?
I'd say half of Donegal went to college in Galway anyway.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on July 12, 2024, 03:50:55 PMTommy Martin article headline in the Irish examiner about Donegal nearly being more of a Connacht county than a Ulster one.
Saying there's too much similarity between Galway and Donegal for any beef.
Do Donegal people agree with this?
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport-columnists/arid-41433898.html
I really enjoyed that article and could relate to it. Is Tommy Martin from Donegal?
I've always had the two counties as somewhat similar, especially in relation to socialising and alcohol. Galway, the biggest college pissup town in the country with festivals taking over in the summertime. Historically filled with underage stars in both codes who let their talent slip away as the local night scene slowly got the better of them. Surfer boys and craic merchants as Joe Brolly called them in 2014
Donegal, the wild land of the endless lock-in. Famously the most session heavy GAA team of all (pre Jim of course), with stories of pints before league games or week long parties in Dublin between a quarter final and its replay
All somewhat different now obviously but as far as counties go, I think the population of both are similar in nature. Both shaped by wind and rain of course also
Quote from: Manning18 on July 12, 2024, 04:37:16 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on July 12, 2024, 03:50:55 PMTommy Martin article headline in the Irish examiner about Donegal nearly being more of a Connacht county than a Ulster one.
Saying there's too much similarity between Galway and Donegal for any beef.
Do Donegal people agree with this?
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport-columnists/arid-41433898.html
I really enjoyed that article and could relate to it. Is Tommy Martin from Donegal?
I've always had the two counties as somewhat similar, especially in relation to socialising and alcohol. Galway, the biggest college pissup town in the country with festivals taking over in the summertime. Historically filled with underage stars in both codes who let their talent slip away as the local night scene slowly got the better of them. Surfer boys and craic merchants as Joe Brolly called them in 2014
Donegal, the wild land of the endless lock-in. Famously the most session heavy GAA team of all (pre Jim of course), with stories of pints before league games or week long parties in Dublin between a quarter final and its replay
All somewhat different now obviously but as far as counties go, I think the population of both are similar in nature. Both shaped by wind and rain of course also
Could you copy and paste her in haha
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on July 12, 2024, 04:45:48 PMQuote from: Manning18 on July 12, 2024, 04:37:16 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on July 12, 2024, 03:50:55 PMTommy Martin article headline in the Irish examiner about Donegal nearly being more of a Connacht county than a Ulster one.
Saying there's too much similarity between Galway and Donegal for any beef.
Do Donegal people agree with this?
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport-columnists/arid-41433898.html
I really enjoyed that article and could relate to it. Is Tommy Martin from Donegal?
I've always had the two counties as somewhat similar, especially in relation to socialising and alcohol. Galway, the biggest college pissup town in the country with festivals taking over in the summertime. Historically filled with underage stars in both codes who let their talent slip away as the local night scene slowly got the better of them. Surfer boys and craic merchants as Joe Brolly called them in 2014
Donegal, the wild land of the endless lock-in. Famously the most session heavy GAA team of all (pre Jim of course), with stories of pints before league games or week long parties in Dublin between a quarter final and its replay
All somewhat different now obviously but as far as counties go, I think the population of both are similar in nature. Both shaped by wind and rain of course also
Could you copy and paste her in haha
In fairness Galway and Donegal are probably the two most universally liked counties in Ireland.
Not sure if any other county comes close? Possibly Clare.
Can use removepaywall.com to view Irishexaminer articles.
Galway has about twice the population of Donegal.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on July 12, 2024, 03:50:55 PMTommy Martin article headline in the Irish examiner about Donegal nearly being more of a Connacht county than a Ulster one.
Saying there's too much similarity between Galway and Donegal for any beef.
Do Donegal people agree with this?
I think there's cultural similarities for sure, and yes, loads of Donegal ones have historically headed down to UCG (although you could also say that about Sligo IT etc), gone to Galway for major medical stuff and so on.
I'd say the lack of GAA animosity is simply down to the lack of familiarity. We've played Galway in championship in 1974, 1983 (a heartbreaker!), 2003 (x 2), 2009, 2015 and 2017. That's it, six ties, seven matches in our history (three wins each and a draw).
We've met Tyrone in three different championship ties in the last year alone!
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on July 12, 2024, 04:45:48 PMQuote from: Manning18 on July 12, 2024, 04:37:16 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on July 12, 2024, 03:50:55 PMTommy Martin article headline in the Irish examiner about Donegal nearly being more of a Connacht county than a Ulster one.
Saying there's too much similarity between Galway and Donegal for any beef.
Do Donegal people agree with this?
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport-columnists/arid-41433898.html
I really enjoyed that article and could relate to it. Is Tommy Martin from Donegal?
I've always had the two counties as somewhat similar, especially in relation to socialising and alcohol. Galway, the biggest college pissup town in the country with festivals taking over in the summertime. Historically filled with underage stars in both codes who let their talent slip away as the local night scene slowly got the better of them. Surfer boys and craic merchants as Joe Brolly called them in 2014
Donegal, the wild land of the endless lock-in. Famously the most session heavy GAA team of all (pre Jim of course), with stories of pints before league games or week long parties in Dublin between a quarter final and its replay
All somewhat different now obviously but as far as counties go, I think the population of both are similar in nature. Both shaped by wind and rain of course also
Could you copy and paste her in haha
Yep no probs!! Fully agree on Clare btw, some fantastic towns and scenery and occasions in Clare
Tommy Martin: Free spirits Galway and Donegal have too much in com
"I might send him a cheeky text tonight," said Jim McGuinness, setting the friendliest of tones ahead of an All-Ireland football semi-final. "If we couldn't win it, I'd be delighted for Padraic to win it."
The Donegal boss was talking about Galway manager Pádraic Joyce, his friend and former team-mate from college days with Tralee IT.
Of course, McGuinness will have spent the intervening fortnight planning the total destruction of Joyce and everything he stands for. And Joyce likewise. Nothing personal, just business.
But there's something fitting ahead of this one about the two managers being longstanding chums. There's no beef between Donegal and Galway.
It's not like the bitter trench warfare of Ulster Championship rivalries or the perpetual fluctuations of Connacht bragging rights. They tend to hang out in different circles, bumping into each other in the league and in the odd championship encounter but don't spend enough time together to develop a decent mutual loathing.
More than that though, Donegal and Galway have too much in common for this not to be a good natured sort of a do. They are West Coast cousins, different shades of the same genetic palate. Both sweep geographically right to left from rolling arable east to ravishing western seaboard.
The native tongue runs free across the rugged Gaeltacht regions of both counties, inspiring an independence of spirit. Someone from Gaoth Dobhair can have more in common with someone from An Cheathrú Rua than they have with someone from Letterkenny.
Donegal people speak with Ulster accents but there's always been as much Connacht in them. Many in Donegal relate more to the doomed
romanticism of the smaller province than the square-shouldered dourness of their northern neighbours.
They are the outsiders and the contrarians. They call themselves the Cinderella County — the beautiful girl in rags who would be queen.
For some reason, a lot of Donegal kids used to be sent to boarding school at St Jarlath's in Tuam, the great football academy.
Generations of windswept Donegal types have also been attracted to Galway for their third-level studies, eschewing the pragmatic mainstream of Dublin, seeing in the artsy dissolution of the City of the Tribes a more authentic way to find themselves than in the distant metropolis.
Alighting from Feda O'Donnell's bus in Eyre Square, the city scoops them up into its bosom like some great hippy aunt, feeding them culture and craic and plenty of drink. No visit to Galway is complete for a Donegal person without observing an old school friend, now with dreadlocks and Palestinian keffeyeh, bashing away at a bodhran in some pub, a loyal mongrel snoozing on a rope at his feet.
It is also the degree to which both counties indulge their shared romantic sides that defines their Gaelic football fortunes, both like footballing versions of the Galway undergraduate struggling to figure when its time to study and when its time to party.
For Galway, the death of John O'Mahony last weekend has provided another chance to reflect on when they were kings back in 1998 and 2001.
O'Mahony played his part in nudging the game into modernity, harnessing the talents of Joyce, Michael Donnellan, Ja Fallon and others with a highly professional set-up. But those teams are remembered as supreme stylists, great prelapsarian champions of a game fallen into disrepute.
Ever since, Galway have wrestled with how to take the native swagger of their footballers into the modern age, at first dabbling half-heartedly with defensive systems then abandoning them when the howls of local protest became too loud, then under Kevin Walsh's stewardship installing the steel-strutted structures required to compete at the highest level.
The thinking was that Joyce, cultured but supremely competitive, might get the balance just right. The win over Dublin suggests it may finally be their time after five seasons of hard lessons, with the virtuoso Shane Walsh the heir to that long poetic lineage.
McGuinness has been there and done that, of course. In fact, the Donegal manager is a one-man parable when it comes to taming the romantic spirit, the long-haired wildman of his youth finding meaning in the face of personal tragedy through self-improvement, focus, discipline, purpose.
McGuinness turned his own life story into a map for the footballing fortunes of his home county, giving the gifted wastrels of repute a short back and sides and showing them what they could achieve if they committed their lives to some greater cause. They would not have won their
All-Ireland in 2012 if they had not been allowed to flex the artistry that always resides within the county's best footballers, and yet McGuinness's success was to some degree in forcing his team to turn away from their individualistic, hard-partying Donegal selves.
When McGuinness was filmed helping out Joyce at a Galway training session in 2020 it raised the tantalising prospect of Galway's native talent being sharpened by the same hard stone, but it was his own county, three years later, to which he would eventually return.
The medicine has gone down just as quick second time around, with the bedraggled squad of 2023 suffused with belief and energy.
Like his first Donegal team, this one follows the plan to the letter and it may be that the plan for this year was to get promoted to Division 1, win Ulster and reach an All-Ireland semi-final. That might make this Sunday a step too far.
Galway are tougher and more weather-beaten but ironically it is the old-school flair and swagger of their forwards that a Donegal side lacking in man markers might find too much.
If that's how it turns out, it wouldn't be the worst one for Donegal folk to take.
The other crowd also know all about sideways Atlantic rain, wild sessions in low-lit pubs, signposts in impenetrable Gaeilge pointing the wrong way, turf-cutting, messing, bored sheep looking back at you through barbed wire fences, the death notices on Raidió na Gaeltachta, poets and artists and general chancers and the joys of a
stylish corner forward dropping the shoulder.
If we couldn't win it, they might say, you'd be delighted if they did.
Jim ... it's time to bite the bar
Murph (https://www.donegallive.ie/news/gaa/1552761/glenswilly-s-michael-murphy-on-fire-as-they-wrap-up-division-1-campaign-in-downings.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3RaGAvBZVdw6EyJ_NSdbStVxsLSeLNVyuPZJJ2kcnJuHLiUUpOZFmgpgE_aem_hW-EyCI_rIQO1d_tluZ2fA)
This is an even bigger game after today's result!
Quote from: Rossfan on July 13, 2024, 10:28:26 PMThis is an even bigger game after today's result!
these teams do not fear Armagh, and likewise, and if it is close tomorrow then it will be a disappointment for the losing team.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 13, 2024, 10:46:18 PMQuote from: Rossfan on July 13, 2024, 10:28:26 PMThis is an even bigger game after today's result!
these teams do not fear Armagh, and likewise, and if it is close tomorrow then it will be a disappointment for the losing team.
Involving the three teams, there's been four games so far this season.
Three draws, Donegal won the other (Div 2 final) by a single last minute point.
Quote from: J70 on July 14, 2024, 01:53:01 AMQuote from: armaghniac on July 13, 2024, 10:46:18 PMQuote from: Rossfan on July 13, 2024, 10:28:26 PMThis is an even bigger game after today's result!
these teams do not fear Armagh, and likewise, and if it is close tomorrow then it will be a disappointment for the losing team.
Involving the three teams, there's been four games so far this season.
Three draws, Donegal won the other (Div 2 final) by a single last minute point.
The semi tomorrow is pretty much evens and the final likewise, which is unusual.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 13, 2024, 10:28:26 PMThis is an even bigger game after today's result!
Its no different than it was yesterday but it does show how some people still have this mystical fear of Kerry. Both teams are playing for a place in an AI final so nothing should have changed.
I'm heading down today, my football mad 8 year old wants to go to croker for his birthday. Great day for it and hopefully we're in for even half the game as yesterday. Best of luck to both teams.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 14, 2024, 02:25:49 AMQuote from: J70 on July 14, 2024, 01:53:01 AMQuote from: armaghniac on July 13, 2024, 10:46:18 PMQuote from: Rossfan on July 13, 2024, 10:28:26 PMThis is an even bigger game after today's result!
these teams do not fear Armagh, and likewise, and if it is close tomorrow then it will be a disappointment for the losing team.
Involving the three teams, there's been four games so far this season.
Three draws, Donegal won the other (Div 2 final) by a single last minute point.
The semi tomorrow is pretty much evens and the final likewise, which is unusual.
Unusual but great for the game.
3 new semi finalists this year as well and the one survivor from last year now gone.
If Donegal win it's 7 different teams in last 4 AI Finals.
We've stumbled into a more expansive top table without realising it with all the negativity about playing styles and formats
Quote from: Rossfan on July 14, 2024, 11:11:13 AMQuote from: armaghniac on July 14, 2024, 02:25:49 AMQuote from: J70 on July 14, 2024, 01:53:01 AMQuote from: armaghniac on July 13, 2024, 10:46:18 PMQuote from: Rossfan on July 13, 2024, 10:28:26 PMThis is an even bigger game after today's result!
these teams do not fear Armagh, and likewise, and if it is close tomorrow then it will be a disappointment for the losing team.
Involving the three teams, there's been four games so far this season.
Three draws, Donegal won the other (Div 2 final) by a single last minute point.
The semi tomorrow is pretty much evens and the final likewise, which is unusual.
Unusual but great for the game.
3 new semi finalists this year as well and the one survivor from last year now gone.
If Donegal win it's 7 different teams in last 4 AI Finals.
We've stumbled into a more expansive top table without realising it with all the negativity about playing styles and formats
Four closely matched semi-finalists and two different league finalists.
I see that the odds on Betfair now indicate a slight preference for Galway, I think that will suit Donegal rightly. Galway have some fine players, but if those big guns do not fire, then the McGuinness Donegal might have the best team.
I'm completely torn on who I want to win this game as a neutral and the All Ireland as a whole at this stage.
Who's the most likely to come back from defeat... possibly Donegal given its their first year but they may never get a chance as good as this.
Be a great story no matter who wins the all Ireland from here.
Played before this game in a near empty Croke Park. New York 0-13 London 0-12 a result in the Junior All-Ireland final.
So much for the clamour for curtain raisers...
Sean Cavanagh going in hard on Tomas O Se.
No need for it really.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on July 14, 2024, 03:20:13 PMSean Cavanagh going in hard on Tomas O Se.
No need for it really.
Not watching what did I miss? were good footballers however two poor quality pundits.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 14, 2024, 03:29:25 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on July 14, 2024, 03:20:13 PMSean Cavanagh going in hard on Tomas O Se.
No need for it really.
Not watching what did I miss? were good footballers however two poor quality pundits.
Going on about how Kerry wilted and bottled it as they always do. Referenced the 2002 final and a few others.
O'Se told him when you're there that often you're bound to lose one or two.
Which was a good answer back.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on July 14, 2024, 03:37:07 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on July 14, 2024, 03:29:25 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on July 14, 2024, 03:20:13 PMSean Cavanagh going in hard on Tomas O Se.
No need for it really.
Not watching what did I miss? were good footballers however two poor quality pundits.
Going on about how Kerry wilted and bottled it as they always do. Referenced the 2002 final and a few others.
O'Se told him when you're there that often you're bound to lose one or two.
Which was a good answer back.
It was a good one alright.
Galway with one change to their published team Sean Kelly replaced by Cein Darcy.
Donegal have made three changes. Jason McGee, Aaron Doherty and Caolan McColgan all come in for Mac Ceallabhuí, Ó Baoill and Niall O'Donnell.
Can't call this. The hot day could be a factor, might suit the Donegal team better?
Lively start thus far 15 minutes played 0-4 each.
It's surprisingly open football
Another bad goal give away, not the year of the goalkeepers anyway.
Freak goal
Lucky goal for Galway, point effort from Conroy goes into the net.
Galway half forward line on top under the long ball.
Donegal need to ditch the "press", it's working against them
Galway some bad wides in front of the posts.
Donegal level it up 32 minutes played.
Donegal not missing much now after the early wides. Gallen, Thompson and Langan prominent on the scoreboard. Comer very quiet for Galway.
Football is saved going by the matches this weekend (ignore Down vs Laois)
Great half of football hopefully more of the same 2nd half Donegal 0-10 Galway 1-7
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 14, 2024, 04:37:14 PMFootball is saved going by the matches this weekend (ignore Down vs Laois)
People love to be negative about football.
Granted Derry v Kerry was atrocious stuff there has been some brilliant games all year.
But it's always the bad games that get the most attention.
About 4 frees?
Fluke of flukes goal.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on July 14, 2024, 04:40:29 PMQuote from: Mourne Red on July 14, 2024, 04:37:14 PMFootball is saved going by the matches this weekend (ignore Down vs Laois)
People love to be negative about football.
Granted Derry v Kerry was atrocious stuff there has been some brilliant games all year.
But it's always the bad games that get the most attention.
You do see what you've done there?? ;D
Sean Cavanagh "Galway should be leading by more" will anyone tell him they aren't ahead? BBC coverage for me.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 14, 2024, 04:45:48 PMSean Cavanagh "Galway should be leading by more" will anyone tell him they aren't ahead? BBC coverage for me.
Not much better on BBC.. Harte saying defences are in top. Dont know what game he's watching
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 14, 2024, 04:50:47 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on July 14, 2024, 04:45:48 PMSean Cavanagh "Galway should be leading by more" will anyone tell him they aren't ahead? BBC coverage for me.
Not much better on BBC.. Harte saying defences are in top. Dont know what game he's watching
I was wondering that as well. Murphy corrected it thankfully. Maybe that explains Derry's tactics during the championship.
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 14, 2024, 04:50:47 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on July 14, 2024, 04:45:48 PMSean Cavanagh "Galway should be leading by more" will anyone tell him they aren't ahead? BBC coverage for me.
Not much better on BBC.. Harte saying defences are in top. Dont know what game he's watching
Goal was fluke a lot of the 17 points scored can from good shooting well created scores. Midfielders have stood out more on scores than forwards in that half.
67,002 the official attendance and the expected attendance was 60k.
Gallen should get an All Star.
Galway will need to start putting pressure on Donegal's kickout. Donegal finding it much easier to get through the blanket than Galway are.
Galway half forward offering no scoring threat.
Spoke too soon. McDaid comes alive.
Galway stronger under the high ball but wouldn't push up on the kickouts. Donegal are scoring each time they come up the field.
Zero pressure from the Galway defence when Donegal go on the attack.
Galway a bit slicker and look more likely to get another goal. Their defence also have upped the tempo.
50 minutes play level game 1-11 to 0-14.
Joyce could probably hook Comer and the No.11 at this stage.
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 14, 2024, 04:50:47 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on July 14, 2024, 04:45:48 PMSean Cavanagh "Galway should be leading by more" will anyone tell him they aren't ahead? BBC coverage for me.
Not much better on BBC.. Harte saying defences are in top. Dont know what game he's watching
Niblock is almost impossible to listen to. Croke Park is in North county Dublin, apparently.
Donegal getting good scores but look very manufactured, Armagh can be very defensive but would offer more in the final. Galway aren't playing great and Donegal coukd beat them here, but I say they got the best set of fballers.
Gone very pedestrian. Donegal missed a couple of good chances and now chances have dried up. Next score important- another shot dropped short there.
Johny Heaney in for Galway, a very underrated footballer.
Why TV not showing Hawkeye this year ?
We have got our cagey period in the game.
How long since a score now?
Quote from: clarshack on July 14, 2024, 05:14:12 PMJoyce could probably hook Comer and the No.11 at this stage.
Should bring Comer out the field.
2 very well matched teams nothing in this at all. Cant help but think if Galway pressed a kickout or 2 they could pull more than a point ahead.
Level game 62 minutes played. Extra time for the 2nd day in a row?
Gaelic football could be just as entertaining as hurling if they just make a few adjustments to the rules of the game. It still has life.
That is brutal from Galway and could be the losing of the game for them.
Comer obviously not fit
Ryan McHugh, such a crier!
Bad miss from a free for Donegal. Galway now score from a debatable free. Fine margins in this contest.
Did Maurice Deegan play the very boring priest in Father Ted?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 14, 2024, 05:27:18 PMBad miss from a free for Donegal. Galway now score from a debatable free. Fine margins in this contest.
Wasn't debatable. He touched on ground.
Quote from: mrdeeds on July 14, 2024, 05:28:18 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on July 14, 2024, 05:27:18 PMBad miss from a free for Donegal. Galway now score from a debatable free. Fine margins in this contest.
Wasn't debatable. He touched on ground.
Clear as day it touched the ground was there a similar one yesterday?
Great call from the ref
Quote from: screenexile on July 14, 2024, 05:29:02 PMQuote from: mrdeeds on July 14, 2024, 05:28:18 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on July 14, 2024, 05:27:18 PMBad miss from a free for Donegal. Galway now score from a debatable free. Fine margins in this contest.
Wasn't debatable. He touched on ground.
Clear as day it touched the ground was there a similar one yesterday?
Yeah. Kerry player touched it on the ground. Was a lot clearer tho
Galway two points in front heading into added time.
Liam Silke MOTM. 2 points in second half and kept Gallen quiet.
Galway's switch on Gallen has won them this game
Galway defence is unheralded, no real star names, but are very good as a unit. John Maher had a good game. Ref taking g the piss here.
FT Galway 1-14 Donegal 0-15. Tribesmens into their 2nd All Ireland in 3 years and will be looking to go one better than the 2022 final.
Where did the Ref get the time from to give Donegal one last chance?
Quote from: clarshack on July 14, 2024, 05:38:39 PMWhere did the Ref get the time from to give Donegal one last chance?
Time wasted going up to take the 45 and subs in injury time
2 flukey goals over the weekend proved crucial.
Interesting that Armagh, Kerry and Galway all scored 1.14 in the 70 minutes
Gallen's missed free was a crucial moment
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 14, 2024, 05:27:05 PMRyan McHugh, such a crier!
Absolute moaning machine. Never sone throwing his toys out of the pram if a decision goes against him
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 14, 2024, 05:39:29 PMQuote from: clarshack on July 14, 2024, 05:38:39 PMWhere did the Ref get the time from to give Donegal one last chance?
Exactly.
Ref was v good.
——
Should be a very good all Ireland final.
Hope Sean Kelly can get fit.
Time wasted going up to take the 45 and subs in injury time
Quote from: Gael85 on July 14, 2024, 05:22:11 PMQuote from: clarshack on July 14, 2024, 05:14:12 PMJoyce could probably hook Comer and the No.11 at this stage.
Should bring Comer out the field.
Tbf to Maher he finished the game well.
Quote from: clarshack on July 14, 2024, 05:38:39 PMWhere did the Ref get the time from to give Donegal one last chance?
I'd say its from the subs made during injury time, plus the time take to hit that '45. Happy to see refs add on that time at the end of injury time when that happens.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 14, 2024, 04:59:55 PMGallen should get an All Star.
Oisin Gallen brilliant all year but had a nightmare second half. Kicked two wides including a very scoreable free with 10 minutes and another dropped short.
Galway won playing at about 70%. Didn't get much out of Comer, McDaid or Walsh. Donegal good up to 55mins, their half back line was well held.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 14, 2024, 05:42:56 PMGalway won playing at about 70%. Didn't get much out of Comer, McDaid or Walsh. Donegal good up to 55mins, their half back line was well held.
Sean Kelly should be available for final too.
1 point for Donegal between the 48th and 76th minute is the reason they lost that. Did so much right for most of the game.
Was McBrearty injured? Seemed a strange call to take him off
Biggest credit to Galway is they made a very fit Donegal looked worn out for the last 15 minutes of the 2nd half.
Makes for very interesting All-Ireland final in two weeks.
A fluke goal, Donegal hitting balls into Gleeson's hands, Donegal doing the same attacking over and over, better team won all the same.
Quote from: Gael85 on July 14, 2024, 05:46:06 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on July 14, 2024, 05:42:56 PMGalway won playing at about 70%. Didn't get much out of Comer, McDaid or Walsh. Donegal good up to 55mins, their half back line was well held.
Sean Kelly should be available for final too.
Aye but he'd need to watch out for Armagh folk down on holidays tripping him up in the street or pushing him down a set of stairs or something ;D
Quote from: Gael85 on July 14, 2024, 05:41:32 PMQuote from: armaghniac on July 14, 2024, 04:59:55 PMGallen should get an All Star.
Oisin Gallen brilliant all year but had a nightmare second half. Kicked two wides including a very scoreable free with 10 minutes and another dropped short.
He went out of it once they put McGrath on him.
Winning of the game was that minute where Gallen missed the free and Thompson handled on the ground. That was the difference in a super tight game.
Well deserved for Galway after that as they completely shut us down.
Great year for us though. Delighted with the progress that's been made and hopefully we'll be back next year.
Congratulations Galway men!
Well done to Galway, they look flying. Hard luck Donegal men but I'd say you'd have taken the season you's have had if it was offered to yous a year ago.
Donegal's finishing/or lack of it in the last 20mins was their downfall. Their efficiency was very poor in this period.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on July 14, 2024, 05:49:13 PMQuote from: Gael85 on July 14, 2024, 05:41:32 PMQuote from: armaghniac on July 14, 2024, 04:59:55 PMGallen should get an All Star.
Oisin Gallen brilliant all year but had a nightmare second half. Kicked two wides including a very scoreable free with 10 minutes and another dropped short.
He went out of it once they put McGrath on him.
Liam Silke was on Gallen.
Quote from: marty34 on July 14, 2024, 06:01:05 PMDonegal's finishing/or lack of it in the last 20mins was their downfall. Their efficiency was very poor in this period.
Donegal were not shooting as well as in Clones when they had some great points and they came back against Armagh.
Both teams far more composed than yesterday when there was a lot of wild shooting and very questionable decision making, albeit that made the closing stages of normal time and the extra time more excitement than today was. Was only towards the very end that we really saw mistakes come into it this afternoon.
Very little in it overall and the goal obviously crucial. I'd say Galway are capable of playing better than that but Donegal's defence get a fair bit of credit for that. Some job by McGuinness given the mess he inherited and will be interesting to see how it develops.
It hasn't been a vintage Championship but there is a lot to like about this final and it should be a terrific occasion.
Shooting accuracy of the four semi finalists. Donegal and Galway both 55% today and yesterday Armagh 56% and Kerry 47%
The Jimmy McGuinness style of management has a certain lifespan and they missed a huge opportunity today. There is a general assumption that they will improve and will challenge again but equally it will be hard for them to sustain that level of intensity and commitment.
Quote from: yellowcard on July 14, 2024, 06:49:13 PMThe Jimmy McGuinness style of management has a certain lifespan and they missed a huge opportunity today. There is a general assumption that they will improve and will challenge again but equally it will be hard for them to sustain that level of intensity and commitment.
What commitment would they be giving that Joyce isn't getting from Galway, or McGeeney isn't getting from Armagh?
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 14, 2024, 07:06:02 PMQuote from: yellowcard on July 14, 2024, 06:49:13 PMThe Jimmy McGuinness style of management has a certain lifespan and they missed a huge opportunity today. There is a general assumption that they will improve and will challenge again but equally it will be hard for them to sustain that level of intensity and commitment.
What commitment would they be giving that Joyce isn't getting from Galway, or McGeeney isn't getting from Armagh?
Very little and Donegal will be in a good place to challenge for the All Ireland again in 2025.
Galway made Donegal look worn out for the last 15 minutes of the 2nd half today Armagh need to make sure the same doesn't happen in this final. On the evidence of this year so far they shouldn't as conditioning and strong bench has been among Armagh's main strengths.
Thing is a lot can change in a year. Look at Derry last year and the limbo they find themselves in now. You need to take these chances while you can. Group draws, more competition in ulster assuming Derry get better and you would have to think Tyrone at some stage soon will get their house in order would mean that draws to get you this far can be tough.
That last attack was so frustrating by Donegal. 2 points down with 60 secs on the clock and passing, passing, passing, passing.
Quote from: Estimator on July 14, 2024, 05:41:24 PMQuote from: clarshack on July 14, 2024, 05:38:39 PMWhere did the Ref get the time from to give Donegal one last chance?
I'd say its from the subs made during injury time, plus the time take to hit that '45. Happy to see refs add on that time at the end of injury time when that happens.
Is there such a thing as time wasting taking a free?
I would've thought that refs allot a specific time slot to take a free and should it take longer the ref is required to call for the ball to be thrown in. Has something changed?
Quote from: ONeill on July 14, 2024, 11:34:03 PMThat last attack was so frustrating by Donegal. 2 points down with 60 secs on the clock and passing, passing, passing, passing.
Think their shooting went off the boil in last quarter and their confidence was shot. I was at the game and as a neutral Gallen's missed free was a huge momentum swing.
Doengal camp will feel crap tonight, nothing worse than coming up the road with a load of what ifs, they had the final within their grasp and lost all composure in final quarter.
Well done Galway, and the best of luck in the final (and to Armagh). It's easy to say that we'd have taken it before the start of the year, but I still left Croke Park very disappointed yesterday. 1 point in the last 25 minutes is the very simple, but very true analysis. Galway's adjustments at half time made a big impact and the little pockets of space that were there for us in the 1st half, practically disappeared in the 2nd. Taking off Paddy was a mistake given how much we needed some leadership in the last couple of minutes. Our press that's not a press has been ineffective all year and Galway made a mockery of it in the first half. Ryan McHugh wasn't picked up yet still had one of his poorest games all year; likewise Mogan was unable to get involved. McCole did well on Comer. You need luck in games and Galway got it with their goal.
Thought the ref did fine. There was a bad over-carrying call against McHugh right at the start and a double hop as Galway were coming out of defence, but it looked like Thompson clearly touched the ball on the ground.
Reckon Joyce will be happy enough in that there's plenty of stuff for Galway to improve on. Hoping for a good final and it'll be great to see a different name on Sam this year.
How good has Ryan McHugh been this year. He's definitely been talking of as an all star contender but since the Derry game where he was motm he was well marshalled v Tyrone, had a quiet Ulster final, got turned over v Cork for one of the goals and didn't have his best game yesterday.
Quote from: ONeill on July 14, 2024, 11:34:03 PMThat last attack was so frustrating by Donegal. 2 points down with 60 secs on the clock and passing, passing, passing, passing.
In all the games this weekend that long ball into the square caused severe difficulties for defences and yielded goals or goal chances. I couldnt understand why they just didn't lump it in?
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 14, 2024, 07:06:02 PMQuote from: yellowcard on July 14, 2024, 06:49:13 PMThe Jimmy McGuinness style of management has a certain lifespan and they missed a huge opportunity today. There is a general assumption that they will improve and will challenge again but equally it will be hard for them to sustain that level of intensity and commitment.
What commitment would they be giving that Joyce isn't getting from Galway, or McGeeney isn't getting from Armagh?
They had a week long training camp in Tenerife last December. Had a ridiculous number of training sessions prior to the League starting. That type of commitment has a shelf life. There will be an expectation that Donegal will go further in the next few years and win an AI title but 6 or 7 other teams will have the same idea since there is no longer one dominant side.
Donegal had to put on a scramble defence quite a few times in the first half.
That takes its toll over 70 minutes regardless of fitness levels.
Galway were probably slightly better/ wiser with their defence tactics.
Donegal had to score some fantastic points from distance but it's hard to sustain that for 70 minutes.
When you are suffering with fatigue and the hits late on in the game those points get harder and harder.
Donegal did something similar to Dublin in 2012 - Dublin kicked some fantastic points but couldn't sustain it either.
Quote from: grounded on July 15, 2024, 09:53:57 AMQuote from: ONeill on July 14, 2024, 11:34:03 PMThat last attack was so frustrating by Donegal. 2 points down with 60 secs on the clock and passing, passing, passing, passing.
In all the games this weekend that long ball into the square caused severe difficulties for defences and yielded goals or goal chances. I couldnt understand why they just didn't lump it in?
The long ball in can causes problems because it's random - and a lot of ball in is harmless.
If its done more regularly teams can adjust very easily and I think defenders always have an advantage - in numbers, goalkeeper and direction of play!
Possibly more effective it is kept for suitable opportunities and mixed up with the running?
Quote from: MC on July 15, 2024, 10:38:28 AMQuote from: grounded on July 15, 2024, 09:53:57 AMQuote from: ONeill on July 14, 2024, 11:34:03 PMThat last attack was so frustrating by Donegal. 2 points down with 60 secs on the clock and passing, passing, passing, passing.
In all the games this weekend that long ball into the square caused severe difficulties for defences and yielded goals or goal chances. I couldnt understand why they just didn't lump it in?
The long ball in can causes problems because it's random - and a lot of ball in is harmless.
If its done more regularly teams can adjust very easily and I think defenders always have an advantage - in numbers, goalkeeper and direction of play!
Possibly more effective it is kept for suitable opportunities and mixed up with the running?
I think it needs to be done a lot quicker than 2 mins to go, 2 pts down and horse it in. No good.
Needs to be done a lot earlier in the play before teams get set up.
Plus as a drop kick for a better trajectory on the ball for a forward.
Comer was waiting for a few to come in to him yesterday early in the phases but they never kicked it unfortunately.
Quote from: MC on July 15, 2024, 10:38:28 AMQuote from: grounded on July 15, 2024, 09:53:57 AMQuote from: ONeill on July 14, 2024, 11:34:03 PMThat last attack was so frustrating by Donegal. 2 points down with 60 secs on the clock and passing, passing, passing, passing.
In all the games this weekend that long ball into the square caused severe difficulties for defences and yielded goals or goal chances. I couldnt understand why they just didn't lump it in?
The long ball in can causes problems because it's random - and a lot of ball in is harmless.
If its done more regularly teams can adjust very easily and I think defenders always have an advantage - in numbers, goalkeeper and direction of play!
Possibly more effective it is kept for suitable opportunities and mixed up with the running?
True, but I'm talking about those last 2 minutes. In both the Laois/Down and Kerry/Armagh game in similar circumstances at the end of the game, that long ball very nearly yielded a goal. What had Donegal got to lose at that stage?
Delighted with the win. It was such a tight game - could easily have gone the other way.
Donegal's shooting let them down in the last 20 minutes.
Have to say to a man/woman every Donegal person around us and in the pubs afterwards we spoke to were were extremely gracious in defeat. Not easy in such a close game to be like that after the final whistle.
Just reinforced my experiences with all Donegal people I have ever known through work, college etc. (and there have been quite a few). Great warm people.
McGuinness is a brilliant manager.
Ye will definitely be back.
Quote from: yellowcard on July 15, 2024, 10:32:28 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on July 14, 2024, 07:06:02 PMQuote from: yellowcard on July 14, 2024, 06:49:13 PMThe Jimmy McGuinness style of management has a certain lifespan and they missed a huge opportunity today. There is a general assumption that they will improve and will challenge again but equally it will be hard for them to sustain that level of intensity and commitment.
What commitment would they be giving that Joyce isn't getting from Galway, or McGeeney isn't getting from Armagh?
They had a week long training camp in Tenerife last December. Had a ridiculous number of training sessions prior to the League starting. That type of commitment has a shelf life. There will be an expectation that Donegal will go further in the next few years and win an AI title but 6 or 7 other teams will have the same idea since there is no longer one dominant side.
I haven't seen or heard anyone from Donegal say they "expect" to win an AI title.
We expected Jim's return would make us competitive again and give us a tactical edge over what the likes of Bonner offered, but I think we're all acutely aware that we do not have the gift of generational players like Murphy, Lacey and Neil McGee this time out.
We were on our knees as a county less than 18 months ago with the academy, the external review of the county board and the hopeless situation poor Paddy Carr found himself in after the disfunction surrounding the end of Declan Bonner's term.
This year has been nothing but an unexpected bonus we've all enjoyed thoroughly. Jim might win nothing further, but if so it won't be because the county is not putting it's best foot forward in terms of maximizing our senior talent.
Quote from: galwayman on July 15, 2024, 04:21:07 PMDelighted with the win. It was such a tight game - could easily have gone the other way.
Donegal's shooting let them down in the last 20 minutes.
Have to say to a man/woman every Donegal person around us and in the pubs afterwards we spoke to were were extremely gracious in defeat. Not easy in such a close game to be like that after the final whistle.
Just reinforced my experiences with all Donegal people I have ever known through work, college etc. (and there have been quite a few). Great warm people.
McGuinness is a brilliant manager.
Ye will definitely be back.
A lot of talk Donegal would be the stronger team in the last 15 minutes going into the game, the likes of Gallen who'd been superb had been asked to do cover a lot more ground then Comer would have to.
Donegals shooting for the first 50 minutes was outstanding, scored a lot more scores from distance then Galway. McDaid scored one for a difficult enough angle but other then Conroy and Silke hit scores from the edge of the D but the rest were all around the 21. Donegal must have scored 5/6 points from well outside the D; Thats always going to be difficult to keep going!
Can't recall a bigger Galway crowd for a football match outside of the 2022 final, great scenes at the final whistle with N17.
67000 for a Galway Donegal semi final was outstanding!
Quote from: marty34 on July 15, 2024, 11:02:11 AMQuote from: MC on July 15, 2024, 10:38:28 AMQuote from: grounded on July 15, 2024, 09:53:57 AMQuote from: ONeill on July 14, 2024, 11:34:03 PMThat last attack was so frustrating by Donegal. 2 points down with 60 secs on the clock and passing, passing, passing, passing.
In all the games this weekend that long ball into the square caused severe difficulties for defences and yielded goals or goal chances. I couldnt understand why they just didn't lump it in?
The long ball in can causes problems because it's random - and a lot of ball in is harmless.
If its done more regularly teams can adjust very easily and I think defenders always have an advantage - in numbers, goalkeeper and direction of play!
Possibly more effective it is kept for suitable opportunities and mixed up with the running?
I think it needs to be done a lot quicker than 2 mins to go, 2 pts down and horse it in. No good.
Needs to be done a lot earlier in the play before teams get set up.
Plus as a drop kick for a better trajectory on the ball for a forward.
Comer was waiting for a few to come in to him yesterday early in the phases but they never kicked it unfortunately.
It was hard to see with the camera angles - commentary suggested an early ball in was on a few times - but in fairness to Donegal they scrambled vert effectively and put a lot of pressure on to stop that early kick inside and turn a player back - frustrating for Comer and others - but difficult to see the wider picture for those opportunities.
Quote from: grounded on July 15, 2024, 11:48:53 AMQuote from: MC on July 15, 2024, 10:38:28 AMQuote from: grounded on July 15, 2024, 09:53:57 AMQuote from: ONeill on July 14, 2024, 11:34:03 PMThat last attack was so frustrating by Donegal. 2 points down with 60 secs on the clock and passing, passing, passing, passing.
In all the games this weekend that long ball into the square caused severe difficulties for defences and yielded goals or goal chances. I couldnt understand why they just didn't lump it in?
The long ball in can causes problems because it's random - and a lot of ball in is harmless.
If its done more regularly teams can adjust very easily and I think defenders always have an advantage - in numbers, goalkeeper and direction of play!
Possibly more effective it is kept for suitable opportunities and mixed up with the running?
True, but I'm talking about those last 2 minutes. In both the Laois/Down and Kerry/Armagh game in similar circumstances at the end of the game, that long ball very nearly yielded a goal. What had Donegal got to lose at that stage?
Yes - a frustrating one for Donegal - slow - and when they did put it in all the players were on left hand side of square and the ball went harmlessly wide on the right hand side. Difficult time in the game though - any player is going to be really fatigued at that stage and under severe pressure with decision making and execution. And hard to create anything like that environment in training!