Always good to have a tournament on in the summer for a few weeks.England pre tournament favourites but think they have issues at centre half and left back which will winder their progress.Germans on home soil and France should be difficult to beat.
Quote from: statto on May 22, 2024, 08:02:05 AMAlways good to have a tournament on in the summer for a few weeks.England pre tournament favourites but think they have issues at centre half and left back which will winder their progress.Germans on home soil and France should be difficult to beat.
I looked at that England squad annouced yesterday and I just thought, I dont see the favourites tag here. Yes they have some very talented players in the likes of Kane, Foden, Bellingham and even Rice but we all know that they will be set up poorly for a start. Foden has been Pl player of the year playing in the 10. Bellingham has been playing 10 too. What does Southgate do there... foden to the wing or Bellingham back to being an 8.
Their defence looks poor and will struggle against good attacking units. France would surely be ahead of them.
Very interested to see how Germany go.
Has Foden not been playing on the left wing? De Bruyne is their 10.
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 22, 2024, 08:54:32 AMHas Foden not been playing on the left wing? De Bruyne is their 10.
Not when kdb was out for long periods.
Portugal are another side with an incredible squad.
Whether Martinez can get the best out of them is another question.
And is Ronaldo a hindrance?
Quote from: lurganblue on May 22, 2024, 08:44:32 AMQuote from: statto on May 22, 2024, 08:02:05 AMAlways good to have a tournament on in the summer for a few weeks.England pre tournament favourites but think they have issues at centre half and left back which will winder their progress.Germans on home soil and France should be difficult to beat.
I looked at that England squad annouced yesterday and I just thought, I dont see the favourites tag here. Yes they have some very talented players in the likes of Kane, Foden, Bellingham and even Rice but we all know that they will be set up poorly for a start. Foden has been Pl player of the year playing in the 10. Bellingham has been playing 10 too. What does Southgate do there... foden to the wing or Bellingham back to being an 8.
Their defence looks poor and will struggle against good attacking units. France would surely be ahead of them.
Very interested to see how Germany go.
The worrying thing is that Southgate grew a set of balls and moved out Rashford and Henderson.
If he continues with picking form players for the tournament (ie not Maguire), and emphasises wingers getting the ball into Kane, then England could be so dangerous.
Havertz 33/1 top scorer 8)
Quote from: lurganblue on May 22, 2024, 08:44:32 AMQuote from: statto on May 22, 2024, 08:02:05 AMAlways good to have a tournament on in the summer for a few weeks.England pre tournament favourites but think they have issues at centre half and left back which will winder their progress.Germans on home soil and France should be difficult to beat.
I looked at that England squad annouced yesterday and I just thought, I dont see the favourites tag here. Yes they have some very talented players in the likes of Kane, Foden, Bellingham and even Rice but we all know that they will be set up poorly for a start. Foden has been Pl player of the year playing in the 10. Bellingham has been playing 10 too. What does Southgate do there... foden to the wing or Bellingham back to being an 8.
Their defence looks poor and will struggle against good attacking units. France would surely be ahead of them.
Very interested to see how Germany go.
They wont be far away with that squad.
I dont rate Southgate either but he did get them to a recent final only beat on pens
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 22, 2024, 09:37:40 AMPortugal are another side with an incredible squad.
Whether Martinez can get the best out of them is another question.
And is Ronaldo a hindrance?
Goalkeepers: Diogo Costa (Porto), Jose Sa (Wolves), Rui Patricio (AS Roma)
Defenders: Antonio Silva (Benfica), Danilo Pereira (Paris St Germain), Diogo Dalot (Manchester United), Goncalo Inacio (Sporting), Joao Cancelo (Barcelona), Nelson Semedo (Wolves), Nuno Mendes (PSG), Pepe (Porto), Ruben Dias (Manchester City)
Midfielders: Bruno Fernandes (Manchester United), Joao Neves (Benfica), Joao Palhinha (Fulham), Otavio Monteiro (Al Nassr), Ruben Neves (Al-Hilal), Vitinha (PSG)
Forwards: Bernardo Silva (Manchester City), Cristiano Ronaldo (Al Nassr), Diogo Jota (Liverpool), Francisco Conceicao (Porto), Goncalo Ramos (PSG), Joao Felix (Barcelona), Pedro Neto (Wolves), Rafael Leao (AC Milan).
Decent alright.
Belgium should be there or there abouts as well given the players they have, but seem to fill the togs at tournaments...
Surely there's a left sided Fullback in England rather than pinning all their hopes on a perennially injured Luke Shaw
Both Branthwaite and Quansa (Liverpool) invited to the extended panel, maybe to put pressure on Maguire, but one of the two need to go as I think Stones is first choice, it's just a matter of who he's paired with, but Southgate has traditionally stuck with the tried and tested Maguire no matter how shíte he's been with Utd.
Quote from: johnnycool on May 22, 2024, 11:39:43 AMBelgium should be there or there abouts as well given the players they have, but seem to fill the togs at tournaments...
Surely there's a left sided Fullback in England rather than pinning all their hopes on a perennially injured Luke ShawI was surprised Mitchell from palace wasn't in the 33. Gomez and Trippier don't give great balance if Shaw is injured or not really up to speed fitness wise.
Both Branthwaite and Quansa (Liverpool) invited to the extended panel, maybe to put pressure on Maguire, but one of the two need to go as I think Stones is first choice, it's just a matter of who he's paired with, but Southgate has traditionally stuck with the tried and tested Maguire no matter how shíte he's been with Utd.
Southgate said he dropped Rashford and others as he picked players on form. He has selected Luke Shaw and Ivan Toney, hardly players in form. Solanke has got nearly 5 times the number of league goals that Toney has.
If Toney goes, he goes for pens only.
Was reading Southgate sees Luke Shaw as a long shot to make tournament, probably cut when the final panel is announced.
who decided England are favourites
Quote from: lurganblue on May 22, 2024, 12:15:59 PMIf Toney goes, he goes for pens only.
Ah I dunno. He's a proper centre forward. England are falling down with wingers / outside forwards but they need a back up / rotation for Kane, and Toney is the best option i'd think.
Watkins seems to the favoured one as the back up.
England have a very good chance. Their defence isn't as bad as its made out albeit they seem to have no natural left back. Their front 4 of Foden/Kane/Bellingham/Saka is as good as what is at the tournament.
Looking forward to it. I've always favoured the Euros over the World Cup for some reason.
If England want it badly enough then they might win it. Top teams don't always give 100% at the euros hence winners like Greece and Denmark. Italy also failed to qualify for the world cup after winning the last euros in which beaten finalists England played every game at home.
Quote from: square_ball on May 22, 2024, 01:32:57 PMEngland have a very good chance. Their defence isn't as bad as its made out albeit they seem to have no natural left back. Their front 4 of Foden/Kane/Bellingham/Saka is as good as what is at the tournament.
Looking forward to it. I've always favoured the Euros over the World Cup for some reason.
Me the same, but the increase in teams and reduced jeopardy in group stages has lessened the appeal. 16 teams 4 groups of 4 should been left like that top two into last 8.
Quote from: statto on May 22, 2024, 02:02:56 PMQuote from: square_ball on May 22, 2024, 01:32:57 PMEngland have a very good chance. Their defence isn't as bad as its made out albeit they seem to have no natural left back. Their front 4 of Foden/Kane/Bellingham/Saka is as good as what is at the tournament.
Looking forward to it. I've always favoured the Euros over the World Cup for some reason.
Me the same, but the increase in teams and reduced jeopardy in group stages has lessened the appeal. 16 teams 4 groups of 4 should been left like that top two into last 8.
Yeah that is true only 8 of the 24 going out after the group stages does dilute it alright. Next World Cup has 48 teams at it. That is overkill imo.
Quote from: johnnycool on May 22, 2024, 02:15:39 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on May 22, 2024, 12:47:03 PMwho decided England are favourites
Rio Ferdinand.
Hope he isn't involved in any coverage across bbc/itv think everyone needs the summer off.
Quote from: statto on May 22, 2024, 02:28:59 PMQuote from: johnnycool on May 22, 2024, 02:15:39 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on May 22, 2024, 12:47:03 PMwho decided England are favourites
Rio Ferdinand.
Hope he isn't involved in any coverage across bbc/itv think everyone needs the summer off.
No summer off for him or a few others.
BBC
Presenters - Gary Lineker, Gabby Logan, Mark Chapman, Alex Scott
Commentators - Guy Mowbray, Robyn Cowen, Vicki Sparks, Steve Wilson, Steve Bauer, Jonathan Pearce (commentators), Jermaine Jenas, Danny Murphy, Martin Keown, James McFadden (co-commentators)
Pundits - Alan Shearer, Micah Richards, Rio Ferdinand, Wayne Rooney, Frank Lampard, Joe Hart, Ellen White, Ashley Williams, Cesc Fabregas, David Moyes, Rachel Corsie, Thomas Frank, James McFadden
ITV
Presenters - Mark Pougatch, Laura Woods
Commentators - Sam Matterface, Clive Tyldesley, Seb Hutchinson, Pien Meulensteen, Joe Speight (commentators), Lee Dixon, Ally McCoist, Andros Townsend (co-commentators)
Pundits - Roy Keane, Graeme Souness, Ian Wright, Eni Aluko, Gary Neville, Karen Carney, Ange Postecoglou, Danny Rohl, Christina Unkel (refereeing analyst)
Definitely earplugs for Viki Sparks! My god, she could belt it out!
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 22, 2024, 02:38:43 PMQuote from: statto on May 22, 2024, 02:28:59 PMQuote from: johnnycool on May 22, 2024, 02:15:39 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on May 22, 2024, 12:47:03 PMwho decided England are favourites
Rio Ferdinand.
Hope he isn't involved in any coverage across bbc/itv think everyone needs the summer off.
No summer off for him or a few others.
BBC
Presenters - Gary Lineker, Gabby Logan, Mark Chapman, Alex Scott
Commentators - Guy Mowbray, Robyn Cowen, Vicki Sparks, Steve Wilson, Steve Bauer, Jonathan Pearce (commentators), Jermaine Jenas, Danny Murphy, Martin Keown, James McFadden (co-commentators)
Pundits - Alan Shearer, Micah Richards, Rio Ferdinand, Wayne Rooney, Frank Lampard, Joe Hart, Ellen White, Ashley Williams, Cesc Fabregas, David Moyes, Rachel Corsie, Thomas Frank, James McFadden
ITV
Presenters - Mark Pougatch, Laura Woods
Commentators - Sam Matterface, Clive Tyldesley, Seb Hutchinson, Pien Meulensteen, Joe Speight (commentators), Lee Dixon, Ally McCoist, Andros Townsend (co-commentators)
Pundits - Roy Keane, Graeme Souness, Ian Wright, Eni Aluko, Gary Neville, Karen Carney, Ange Postecoglou, Danny Rohl, Christina Unkel (refereeing analyst)
My god what a list. Mute it is
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 22, 2024, 02:38:43 PMQuote from: statto on May 22, 2024, 02:28:59 PMQuote from: johnnycool on May 22, 2024, 02:15:39 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on May 22, 2024, 12:47:03 PMwho decided England are favourites
Rio Ferdinand.
Hope he isn't involved in any coverage across bbc/itv think everyone needs the summer off.
No summer off for him or a few others.
BBC
Presenters - Gary Lineker, Gabby Logan, Mark Chapman, Alex Scott
Commentators - Guy Mowbray, Robyn Cowen, Vicki Sparks, Steve Wilson, Steve Bauer, Jonathan Pearce (commentators), Jermaine Jenas, Danny Murphy, Martin Keown, James McFadden (co-commentators)
Pundits - Alan Shearer, Micah Richards, Rio Ferdinand, Wayne Rooney, Frank Lampard, Joe Hart, Ellen White, Ashley Williams, Cesc Fabregas, David Moyes, Rachel Corsie, Thomas Frank, James McFadden
ITV
Presenters - Mark Pougatch, Laura Woods
Commentators - Sam Matterface, Clive Tyldesley, Seb Hutchinson, Pien Meulensteen, Joe Speight (commentators), Lee Dixon, Ally McCoist, Andros Townsend (co-commentators)
Pundits - Roy Keane, Graeme Souness, Ian Wright, Eni Aluko, Gary Neville, Karen Carney, Ange Postecoglou, Danny Rohl, Christina Unkel (refereeing analyst)
Micah Richards does my head in.
Him Lineker and Shearer are like an old boys club.
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 22, 2024, 02:38:43 PMQuote from: statto on May 22, 2024, 02:28:59 PMQuote from: johnnycool on May 22, 2024, 02:15:39 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on May 22, 2024, 12:47:03 PMwho decided England are favourites
Rio Ferdinand.
Hope he isn't involved in any coverage across bbc/itv think everyone needs the summer off.
No summer off for him or a few others.
BBC
Presenters - Gary Lineker, Gabby Logan, Mark Chapman, Alex Scott
Commentators - Guy Mowbray, Robyn Cowen, Vicki Sparks, Steve Wilson, Steve Bauer, Jonathan Pearce (commentators), Jermaine Jenas, Danny Murphy, Martin Keown, James McFadden (co-commentators)
Pundits - Alan Shearer, Micah Richards, Rio Ferdinand, Wayne Rooney, Frank Lampard, Joe Hart, Ellen White, Ashley Williams, Cesc Fabregas, David Moyes, Rachel Corsie, Thomas Frank, James McFadden
ITV
Presenters - Mark Pougatch, Laura Woods
Commentators - Sam Matterface, Clive Tyldesley, Seb Hutchinson, Pien Meulensteen, Joe Speight (commentators), Lee Dixon, Ally McCoist, Andros Townsend (co-commentators)
Pundits - Roy Keane, Graeme Souness, Ian Wright, Eni Aluko, Gary Neville, Karen Carney, Ange Postecoglou, Danny Rohl, Christina Unkel (refereeing analyst)
Jenas FFS! No doubt he'll get the final as well... again. He must have the best agent on the planet!
ITV it is then.
Quote from: AustinPowers on May 22, 2024, 04:11:26 PMJenas FFS! No doubt he'll get the final as well... again. He must have the best agent on the planet!
ITV it is then.
Its a biodiversity thing, the streets will never forget (so I'm told)
Eamon Dunphy,John Giles and Bill O'Herlihy for me so, roll the tape...
Jack Grealish and Harry Maguire not included in England squad. Disappointing news...
...for England's competitors.
Quote from: weareros on June 06, 2024, 04:24:10 PMJack Grealish and Harry Maguire not included in England squad. Disappointing news...
...for England's competitors.
Good news for the clubs in Ibiza
Serves Grealish right for betraying Ireland. He is not good enough for England now.
Maguire calf injury
Who are yous supporting?
Quote from: Ronnie on June 06, 2024, 05:20:11 PMWho are yous supporting?
Lot of closet Tan supporters here.
Quote from: Cavan19 on June 06, 2024, 05:23:16 PMQuote from: Ronnie on June 06, 2024, 05:20:11 PMWho are yous supporting?
Lot of closet Tan supporters here.
To be brutely honest, I'd like to see the scotch and the sassenachs do well simply because I know all the players.
I'd be similar to Orior same time it's always funny when the English are beat so it's really a no lose situation. Its class 🤣
Strongest English starting 11 from that squad?
(https://i.ibb.co/5RVd6fD/england-squad.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9rjJNCX)
Wealth of talent up front but jees that defence is dire
France be strong. Portugal too and the Germans be tough on their own patch you'd imagine
Any interest in a competition for Euro 2024?
Something has gone astray with their comms, with Maddison leaked this morning and rushing out their list this evening. Someone talking too much.
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on June 06, 2024, 06:42:37 PMAny interest in a competition for Euro 2024?
Yes please.
Quote from: Sportacus on June 06, 2024, 06:43:02 PMSomething has gone astray with their comms, with Maddison leaked this morning and rushing out their list this evening. Someone talking too much.
was meant to be Saturday morning but was leaked not really a good look for the squad.Defence awful one left back who's injury prone and hasn't played in months, great to see!
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on June 06, 2024, 06:25:32 PMWealth of talent up front but jees that defence is dire
France be strong. Portugal too and the Germans be tough on their own patch you'd imagine
Stones, Walker and Shaw all top drawer players in their position when fit and Pickford is usually decent for them. They'll still not beat a decent team though
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on June 06, 2024, 06:42:37 PMAny interest in a competition for Euro 2024?
count me in please if running one!
Yes please
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 06, 2024, 08:59:23 PMQuote from: GAABoardMod5 on June 06, 2024, 06:42:37 PMAny interest in a competition for Euro 2024?
count me in please if running one!
I'll set it up later tonight...same idea as World Cup competition from Qatar...
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=31049.0
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 06, 2024, 08:58:45 PMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on June 06, 2024, 06:25:32 PMWealth of talent up front but jees that defence is dire
France be strong. Portugal too and the Germans be tough on their own patch you'd imagine
Stones, Walker and Shaw all top drawer players in their position when fit and Pickford is usually decent for them. They'll still not beat a decent team though
Walker and Stones yes tho Stones near in midfield as much for City. Shaw not so sure and big injury concern as you say. All getting on a bit. Still leaves one centre half and the backups don't inspire confidence. Let the games begin 🤓
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on June 06, 2024, 09:56:56 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 06, 2024, 08:58:45 PMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on June 06, 2024, 06:25:32 PMWealth of talent up front but jees that defence is dire
France be strong. Portugal too and the Germans be tough on their own patch you'd imagine
Stones, Walker and Shaw all top drawer players in their position when fit and Pickford is usually decent for them. They'll still not beat a decent team though
Walker and Stones yes tho Stones near in midfield as much for City. Shaw not so sure and big injury concern as you say. All getting on a bit. Still leaves one centre half and the backups don't inspire confidence. Let the games begin 🤓
Aw to be be fair Shaws ability never in doubt but the injury record speaks for itself. Can Trippier play on the left? Maguire for all his faults is a loss as he's usually good for England as well.
Will they still be able to play Trent at full back seeing he's named at midfield?
Asking for Serbia
Portugal look good on paper then you realise they have Martinez in charge and they look less appealing. He must have some agent.
England beaten and didn't score against Iceland in Wembley tonight. Number of English supporters made their exit ten minutes before of the end of the game.
According to Brian Kerr that England result and performance will calm down the hype about them
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 07, 2024, 09:40:07 PMEngland beaten and didn't score against Iceland in Wembley tonight. Number of English supporters made their exit ten minutes before of the end of the game.
According to Brian Kerr that England result and performance will calm down the hype about them
Which unfortunately could be beneficial to them.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 07, 2024, 09:41:41 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on June 07, 2024, 09:40:07 PMEngland beaten and didn't score against Iceland in Wembley tonight. Number of English supporters made their exit ten minutes before of the end of the game.
According to Brian Kerr that England result and performance will calm down the hype about them
Which unfortunately could be beneficial to them.
Will still be managed by Gareth Southgate who has little tactical nous to get the best out of that England squad.
He already has got the best out of them. Losing a shootout in a final is a quite flattering high water mark for them.
They did well, flattering or not, first male tournament final since 66, to lose as they did, that's not a bad effort, considering that they ain't that good, a top 6 team will get to or win a tournament every now and then, Denmark and Greece in my recent history are your shocks
c***ts have a touch of the Armagh about them.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 07, 2024, 09:40:07 PMEngland beaten and didn't score against Iceland in Wembley tonight. Number of English supporters made their exit ten minutes before of the end of the game.
According to Brian Kerr that England result and performance will calm down the hype about them
Not if you listened to the post match punditry on CH4, the chorus was "We can still win Euro 2024".
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 06, 2024, 06:23:37 PMStrongest English starting 11 from that squad?
(https://i.ibb.co/5RVd6fD/england-squad.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9rjJNCX)
You would think the below team would
have a chance
———————Pickford
Walker——Stones——Guehi—-Shaw
———Trent—————-Rice
——————Bellingham
——-Saka——————Foden
———————Kane
They surely have a chance. But there are better teams. And it's not in England this time.
Quote from: Main Street on June 08, 2024, 03:07:46 AMQuote from: Captain Obvious on June 07, 2024, 09:40:07 PMEngland beaten and didn't score against Iceland in Wembley tonight. Number of English supporters made their exit ten minutes before of the end of the game.
According to Brian Kerr that England result and performance will calm down the hype about them
Not if you listened to the post match punditry on CH4, the chorus was "We can still win Euro 2024".
Damien Delaney on Virgin media said he'd ignore that challenge match and still sees Euro 2024 as England's competition to lose.
When you see their team (especially the front 6) you fear the f*ckers could do something.
Then you watch them V Iceland and realise they are crap to watch, boring for all the attacking players they have. Not a clue of their best team.
Their last 5 results
England 0 - 1 Iceland
England 3 - 0 Bosnia
England 2 - 2 Belgium (Bellingham 95th Min)
England 0 - 1 Brazil
England 1 - 1 North Macedonia (Goal was an OG)
Fingers crossed they flop. France for me.
I see the Dutch are a decent price but have picked up a few injuries. Should make it to the quarters were Portugal could await. 18/1
Quote from: toby47 on June 12, 2024, 09:19:04 AMWhen you see their team (especially the front 6) you fear the f*ckers could do something.
Then you watch them V Iceland and realise they are crap to watch, boring for all the attacking players they have. Not a clue of their best team.
Their last 5 results
England 0 - 1 Iceland
England 3 - 0 Bosnia
England 2 - 2 Belgium (Bellingham 95th Min)
England 0 - 1 Brazil
England 1 - 1 North Macedonia (Goal was an OG)
Fingers crossed they flop. France for me.
How many of those were friendlies?
Quote from: An Watcher on June 12, 2024, 05:20:35 PMI see the Dutch are a decent price but have picked up a few injuries. Should make it to the quarters were Portugal could await. 18/1
I have a feeling a lesser fancied team could win this. The likes of Czech Republic, Turkey , Switzerland Denmark.
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 12, 2024, 06:49:45 PMQuote from: An Watcher on June 12, 2024, 05:20:35 PMI see the Dutch are a decent price but have picked up a few injuries. Should make it to the quarters were Portugal could await. 18/1
I have a feeling a lesser fancied team could win this. The likes of Czech Republic, Turkey , Switzerland Denmark.
Couldn't see it. Maybe cause a few shocks but Germany, France and even England too strong
If France,Germany, Portugal or England are focused on this then one of them will win. However the top teams aren't always all that interested in winning the euros. Hence wins for the likes of Denmark Greece or Czechoslovakia. The Euros are just not as sought after as the world cup is. Even Italy were not a top team when they won it 4 years ago, getting knocked out in world cup qualifying against lesser teams straight after winning the euros.
I wouldn't be afraid of backing someone like Denmark in this. You never know.
Quote from: Capt Pat on June 12, 2024, 09:15:40 PMIf France,Germany, Portugal or England are focused on this then one of them will win. However the top teams aren't always all that interested in winning the euros. Hence wins for the likes of Denmark Greece or Czechoslovakia. The Euros are just not as sought after as the world cup is. Even Italy were not a top team when they won it 4 years ago, getting knocked out in world cup qualifying against lesser teams straight after winning the euros.
I wouldn't be afraid of backing someone like Denmark in this. You never know.
They were on a world record 37 game unbeaten streak.
Scots down 1-0 after 10 minutes. Keeper should have kept it out.
Scots looking out of their depth so far - down 2 now.
Boys against men.
That's that .. going be a long 70 minutes..
That'll be a penalty.
Scotland be doing well to keep it under 5 here.
Should be a red card
Quote from: gawa316 on June 14, 2024, 08:46:14 PMShould be a red card
Yip deserved red card. That was a shocker.
Didn't fancy it to be as big a loss but flip me! They are poor
Thought the Scots would have made it difficult enough for the Germans in the 1st half at least but they are running rings around them.
Scotland stinking the place out here, awful.
Rough on the Tartan Army, but at least they'll enjoy some good German beer.
There goes my Scotland +3 bet ::)
Dunno what I was thinking
Another tournament that Scotland will be coming home too soon from.
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 14, 2024, 08:51:49 PMThere goes my Scotland +3 bet ::)
Dunno what I was thinking
I went over 3 goals and over 8 corners.. not one corner :D
A win for Scotland is to keep it at 3-0.
Musiala is different class
I'm going to say now that Scotland won't score any goals in the tournament
The Euros need to go back to an 8 team tournament , like back in Euro 88. Too many teams totally out of their depth
Only they'll make it a bigger tournament
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 14, 2024, 09:23:35 PMI'm going to say now that Scotland won't score any goals in the tournament
The Euros need to go back to an 8 team tournament , like back in Euro 88. Too many teams totally out of their depth
16 decent number imo. 4 groups of 4 not many fillers in there. Top 2 into quarters and away you go
Should also be and A and B euros of sorts
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on June 14, 2024, 09:37:40 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 14, 2024, 09:23:35 PMI'm going to say now that Scotland won't score any goals in the tournament
The Euros need to go back to an 8 team tournament , like back in Euro 88. Too many teams totally out of their depth
16 decent number imo. 4 groups of 4 not many fillers in there. Top 2 into quarters and away you go
Should also be and A and B euros of sorts
Euros always far better than the World Cup. It's full of dead rubbers.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on June 14, 2024, 09:37:40 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 14, 2024, 09:23:35 PMI'm going to say now that Scotland won't score any goals in the tournament
The Euros need to go back to an 8 team tournament , like back in Euro 88. Too many teams totally out of their depth
16 decent number imo. 4 groups of 4 not many fillers in there. Top 2 into quarters and away you go
Should also be and A and B euros of sorts
Aye, a Joe McD competition
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 14, 2024, 09:23:35 PMI'm going to say now that Scotland won't score any goals in the tournament
The Euros need to go back to an 8 team tournament , like back in Euro 88. Too many teams totally out of their depth
Well, technically you're correct! :)
That could be an important goal if it comes down to goal difference to get out of group.
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 14, 2024, 09:23:35 PMI'm going to say now that Scotland won't score any goals in the tournament
I knew that post would get them going! ;D
Quote from: marty34 on June 14, 2024, 09:49:49 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 14, 2024, 09:23:35 PMI'm going to say now that Scotland won't score any goals in the tournament
The Euros need to go back to an 8 team tournament , like back in Euro 88. Too many teams totally out of their depth
Well, technically you're correct! :)
Ha ha, true!
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 14, 2024, 09:50:55 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 14, 2024, 09:23:35 PMI'm going to say now that Scotland won't score any goals in the tournament
I knew that post would get them going! ;D
Should have done a quick edit and say no Scotland player will score a goal.
Just when you thought Scotland had a chance
God you wish Apres Match was still going
Enjoyed that. Had the Scottish in laws over. As a consequence backed Scotland to get beat by 4. Happy days
Didn't realise we had the worst performance in Euro history with our -8 in 2012. I doubt Scotland will exceed that as Hungary are clearly shite. But at least we had The Fields to sing as we were getting hammered. Flower of Scotland is not a patch on it.
I was actually just thinking Scotland are a good bet to be the "2012 Ireland" of this tournament.
Quote from: weareros on June 14, 2024, 11:37:03 PMDidn't realise we had the worst performance in Euro history with our -8 in 2012. I doubt Scotland will exceed that as Hungary are clearly shite. But at least we had The Fields to sing as we were getting hammered. Flower of Scotland is not a patch on it.
Were Hungary not on an (until the Ireland game) unbeaten run of 14? That's not bad
I think they'll be happy to meet Scotland
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 14, 2024, 11:48:22 PMQuote from: weareros on June 14, 2024, 11:37:03 PMDidn't realise we had the worst performance in Euro history with our -8 in 2012. I doubt Scotland will exceed that as Hungary are clearly shite. But at least we had The Fields to sing as we were getting hammered. Flower of Scotland is not a patch on it.
Were Hungary not on an (until the Ireland game) unbeaten run of 14? That's not bad
I think they'll be happy to meet Scotland
I know but Scotland are still a slight bit better than Ireland. They could still get something out of the Swiss and Hungary games.
Quote from: weareros on June 14, 2024, 11:59:10 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on June 14, 2024, 11:48:22 PMQuote from: weareros on June 14, 2024, 11:37:03 PMDidn't realise we had the worst performance in Euro history with our -8 in 2012. I doubt Scotland will exceed that as Hungary are clearly shite. But at least we had The Fields to sing as we were getting hammered. Flower of Scotland is not a patch on it.
Were Hungary not on an (until the Ireland game) unbeaten run of 14? That's not bad
I think they'll be happy to meet Scotland
I know but Scotland are still a slight bit better than Ireland. They could still get something out of the Swiss and Hungary games.
They've come in with poor form, injuries and high expectations. Not a great mix..
Think about the quality of the teams Scotland had back in day.
3 giants ( and fill in the rest) Hansen Souness Dalglish, they never got out of the groups
Archie Gemmill deserves a mention surely!
Scotland have also been unlucky with their groups. And that 70s-80s team was playing in an era when there were far fewer teams (and thus more quality in the teams that qualified), and none of this "best placed third team crap."
The 1982 team. Still my favourite World Cup song. Don't know the nature of Alan Hansen's illness but please god he'll pull through.
https://youtu.be/gmzDOqUdu8A?si=8s1ReSYMy3WKCobw
Interesting
Man United will be looking for Weghorst to come back next season.
England up and running will be their competition to lose even at this early stage.
Bellingham can be an awful knob.
Serbians are tackling hard, great to see.
Yeah Bellingham can act the knob alright.
80 players in the Euro 2024 will defend teams from countries in which they were not born. Only Czechia, Netherlands, Denmark and Austria do not have naturalized players.
𝐆𝐞𝐫𝐦𝐚𝐧𝐲 (1)
– Waldemar Anton, defender born in Uzbekistan
𝐒𝐜𝐨𝐭𝐥𝐚𝐧𝐝 (6)
– Angus Gunn, English-born goalkeeper
– Scott McTominay, English-born midfielder
– Kieran Tierney, Isle of Man-born defender
– Ché Adams, English-born striker
– Liam Cooper, English-born defender
– Tommy Conway, English-born striker
𝐇𝐮𝐧𝐠𝐚𝐫𝐲 (5)
– Willi Orbán, defender born in Germany
– Loic Négo, defender born in France
– Milos Kerkez, defender born in Serbia and Montenegro, in a city that currently belongs to Serbia
– Callum Styles, midfielder born in England
– Márton Dárdai, German-born defender
𝐒𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐳𝐞𝐫𝐥𝐚𝐧𝐝 (4)
– Breel Embolo, striker born in Cameroon
– Yvon Mvogo, goalkeeper born in Cameroon
– Kwadwo Duah, striker born in England
– Xherdan Shaqiri, striker born in Yugoslavia, in a city that currently belongs to Kosovo
𝐒𝐩𝐚𝐢𝐧 (3)
– Robin Le Normand, French-born defender
– Joselu, German-born striker
– Aymeric Laporte, French-born defender
𝐂𝐫𝐨𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐚 (😎
– Josip Stanisic, defender born in Germany
– Marin Pongracic, defender born in Germany
– Josip Sutalo, defender born in Bosnia and Herzegovina
– Mateo Kovacic, midfielder born in Austria
– Mario Pasalic, midfielder born in Germany
– Ante Budimir, 𝐬𝐭𝐫𝐢𝐤𝐞 born in Bosnia and Herzegovina
– Marco Pasalic, striker born in Germany
– Luka Sucic, midfielder born in Austria
𝐈𝐭𝐚𝐥𝐲 (2)
– Jorginho, midfielder born in Brazil
– Mateo Retegui, striker born in Argentina
𝐀𝐥𝐛𝐚𝐧𝐢𝐚 (18)
– Etrit Berisha, Kosovo-born goalkeeper
– Iván Balliu, Spanish-born defender
– Mario Mitaj, Greek-born defender
– Arlind Ajeti, Swiss-born defender
– Berat Djimsiti, Swiss-born defender
– Jasir Asani, striker born in North Macedonia
– Nedim Bajrami, Swiss-born midfielder
– Armando Broja, English-born striker
– Taulant Seferi, striker born in North Macedonia
– Medon Berisha, Swiss-born midfielder
– Ardian Ismajli, Kosovo-born defender
– Mirlind Daku, Kosovo-born striker
– Ylber Ramadani, German-born midfielder
– Amir Abrashi, Swiss-born midfielder
– Thomas Strakosha, Greek-born goalkeeper
– Marash Kumbulla , Italian-born defender
– Naser Aliji, North Macedonian-born defender
– Arbër Hoxha, German-born attacker
𝐒𝐥𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐧𝐢𝐚 (2)
– Sandi Lovric, midfielder born in Austria
– Josip Iličić, striker born in Yugoslavia, in a city that currently belongs to Bosnia and Herzegovina
𝐒𝐞𝐫𝐛𝐢𝐚 (4)
– Miloš Veljković, Swiss-born defender
– Lazar Samardžić, German-born striker
– Sergej Milinković-Savić, Spanish-born midfielder
– Vanja Milinković-Savić, Spanish-born goalkeeper
𝐄𝐧𝐠𝐥𝐚𝐧𝐝 (1)
– Marc Guéhi, defender born in Côte d'Ivoire
𝐏𝐨𝐥𝐚𝐧𝐝 (2)
– Taras Romanczuk, Ukrainian-born midfielder
– Nicola Zalewski, Italian-born midfielder
𝐅𝐫𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐞 (4)
– Brice Samba, goalkeeper born in the Democratic Republic of Congo
– Eduardo Camavinga, midfielder born in Angola
– Marcus Thuram, striker born in Italy
– Mike Maignan, goalkeeper born in French Guiana
𝐁𝐞𝐥𝐠𝐢𝐮𝐦 (1)
– Amadou Onana, midfielder born in Senegal
𝐒𝐥𝐨𝐯𝐚𝐤𝐢𝐚 (1)
– Vernon De Marco, Argentine-born defender
𝐑𝐨𝐦𝐚𝐧𝐢𝐚 (2)
– Ianis Hagi, Turkish-born midfielder
– Bogdan Racovitan, French-born defender
𝐔𝐤𝐫𝐚𝐢𝐧𝐞 (2)
– Andriy Yarmolenko, striker born in the Soviet Union, in a city that currently belongs to Russia
– Viktor Tsyhankov, midfielder born in Israel
𝐓𝐮̈𝐫𝐤𝐢𝐲𝐞 (😎
– Orkun Kokcu, Dutch-born midfielder
– Cenk Tosun, German-born striker
– Hakan Çalhanoglu, German-born midfielder
– Salih Ozcan, German-born midfielder
– Mert Muldur, Austrian-born defender
– Kenan Yildiz, German-born striker
– Ferdi Kadioglu, Dutch-born midfielder
– Kaan Ayhan, German-born defender
𝐆𝐞𝐨𝐫𝐠𝐢𝐚 (2)
– Giorgi Tsitaishvili, Israeli-born midfielder
– Georges Mikautadze, French-born striker
𝐏𝐨𝐫𝐭𝐮𝐠𝐚𝐥 (4)
– Pepe, defender born in Brazil
– Danilo Pereira, defender born in Guinea-Bissau
– Matheus Nunes, midfielders born in Brazil
– Diogo Costa, goalkeeper born in Switzerland
England started well but are lucky to have the lead as they didn't create a lot and Serbia are coming into the game.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 16, 2024, 08:46:27 PM80 players in the Euro 2024 will defend teams from countries in which they were not born. Only Czechia, Netherlands, Denmark and Austria do not have naturalized players.
𝐆𝐞𝐫𝐦𝐚𝐧𝐲 (1)
– Waldemar Anton, defender born in Uzbekistan
𝐒𝐜𝐨𝐭𝐥𝐚𝐧𝐝 (6)
– Angus Gunn, English-born goalkeeper
– Scott McTominay, English-born midfielder
– Kieran Tierney, Isle of Man-born defender
– Ché Adams, English-born striker
– Liam Cooper, English-born defender
– Tommy Conway, English-born striker
𝐇𝐮𝐧𝐠𝐚𝐫𝐲 (5)
– Willi Orbán, defender born in Germany
– Loic Négo, defender born in France
– Milos Kerkez, defender born in Serbia and Montenegro, in a city that currently belongs to Serbia
– Callum Styles, midfielder born in England
– Márton Dárdai, German-born defender
𝐒𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐳𝐞𝐫𝐥𝐚𝐧𝐝 (4)
– Breel Embolo, striker born in Cameroon
– Yvon Mvogo, goalkeeper born in Cameroon
– Kwadwo Duah, striker born in England
– Xherdan Shaqiri, striker born in Yugoslavia, in a city that currently belongs to Kosovo
𝐒𝐩𝐚𝐢𝐧 (3)
– Robin Le Normand, French-born defender
– Joselu, German-born striker
– Aymeric Laporte, French-born defender
𝐂𝐫𝐨𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐚 (😎
– Josip Stanisic, defender born in Germany
– Marin Pongracic, defender born in Germany
– Josip Sutalo, defender born in Bosnia and Herzegovina
– Mateo Kovacic, midfielder born in Austria
– Mario Pasalic, midfielder born in Germany
– Ante Budimir, 𝐬𝐭𝐫𝐢𝐤𝐞 born in Bosnia and Herzegovina
– Marco Pasalic, striker born in Germany
– Luka Sucic, midfielder born in Austria
𝐈𝐭𝐚𝐥𝐲 (2)
– Jorginho, midfielder born in Brazil
– Mateo Retegui, striker born in Argentina
𝐀𝐥𝐛𝐚𝐧𝐢𝐚 (18)
– Etrit Berisha, Kosovo-born goalkeeper
– Iván Balliu, Spanish-born defender
– Mario Mitaj, Greek-born defender
– Arlind Ajeti, Swiss-born defender
– Berat Djimsiti, Swiss-born defender
– Jasir Asani, striker born in North Macedonia
– Nedim Bajrami, Swiss-born midfielder
– Armando Broja, English-born striker
– Taulant Seferi, striker born in North Macedonia
– Medon Berisha, Swiss-born midfielder
– Ardian Ismajli, Kosovo-born defender
– Mirlind Daku, Kosovo-born striker
– Ylber Ramadani, German-born midfielder
– Amir Abrashi, Swiss-born midfielder
– Thomas Strakosha, Greek-born goalkeeper
– Marash Kumbulla , Italian-born defender
– Naser Aliji, North Macedonian-born defender
– Arbër Hoxha, German-born attacker
𝐒𝐥𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐧𝐢𝐚 (2)
– Sandi Lovric, midfielder born in Austria
– Josip Iličić, striker born in Yugoslavia, in a city that currently belongs to Bosnia and Herzegovina
𝐒𝐞𝐫𝐛𝐢𝐚 (4)
– Miloš Veljković, Swiss-born defender
– Lazar Samardžić, German-born striker
– Sergej Milinković-Savić, Spanish-born midfielder
– Vanja Milinković-Savić, Spanish-born goalkeeper
𝐄𝐧𝐠𝐥𝐚𝐧𝐝 (1)
– Marc Guéhi, defender born in Côte d'Ivoire
𝐏𝐨𝐥𝐚𝐧𝐝 (2)
– Taras Romanczuk, Ukrainian-born midfielder
– Nicola Zalewski, Italian-born midfielder
𝐅𝐫𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐞 (4)
– Brice Samba, goalkeeper born in the Democratic Republic of Congo
– Eduardo Camavinga, midfielder born in Angola
– Marcus Thuram, striker born in Italy
– Mike Maignan, goalkeeper born in French Guiana
𝐁𝐞𝐥𝐠𝐢𝐮𝐦 (1)
– Amadou Onana, midfielder born in Senegal
𝐒𝐥𝐨𝐯𝐚𝐤𝐢𝐚 (1)
– Vernon De Marco, Argentine-born defender
𝐑𝐨𝐦𝐚𝐧𝐢𝐚 (2)
– Ianis Hagi, Turkish-born midfielder
– Bogdan Racovitan, French-born defender
𝐔𝐤𝐫𝐚𝐢𝐧𝐞 (2)
– Andriy Yarmolenko, striker born in the Soviet Union, in a city that currently belongs to Russia
– Viktor Tsyhankov, midfielder born in Israel
𝐓𝐮̈𝐫𝐤𝐢𝐲𝐞 (😎
– Orkun Kokcu, Dutch-born midfielder
– Cenk Tosun, German-born striker
– Hakan Çalhanoglu, German-born midfielder
– Salih Ozcan, German-born midfielder
– Mert Muldur, Austrian-born defender
– Kenan Yildiz, German-born striker
– Ferdi Kadioglu, Dutch-born midfielder
– Kaan Ayhan, German-born defender
𝐆𝐞𝐨𝐫𝐠𝐢𝐚 (2)
– Giorgi Tsitaishvili, Israeli-born midfielder
– Georges Mikautadze, French-born striker
𝐏𝐨𝐫𝐭𝐮𝐠𝐚𝐥 (4)
– Pepe, defender born in Brazil
– Danilo Pereira, defender born in Guinea-Bissau
– Matheus Nunes, midfielders born in Brazil
– Diogo Costa, goalkeeper born in Switzerland
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 16, 2024, 08:46:27 PM80 players in the Euro 2024 will defend teams from countries in which they were not born. Only Czechia, Netherlands, Denmark and Austria do not have naturalized players.
𝐆𝐞𝐫𝐦𝐚𝐧𝐲 (1)
– Waldemar Anton, defender born in Uzbekistan
𝐒𝐜𝐨𝐭𝐥𝐚𝐧𝐝 (6)
– Angus Gunn, English-born goalkeeper
– Scott McTominay, English-born midfielder
– Kieran Tierney, Isle of Man-born defender
– Ché Adams, English-born striker
– Liam Cooper, English-born defender
– Tommy Conway, English-born striker
𝐇𝐮𝐧𝐠𝐚𝐫𝐲 (5)
– Willi Orbán, defender born in Germany
– Loic Négo, defender born in France
– Milos Kerkez, defender born in Serbia and Montenegro, in a city that currently belongs to Serbia
– Callum Styles, midfielder born in England
– Márton Dárdai, German-born defender
𝐒𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐳𝐞𝐫𝐥𝐚𝐧𝐝 (4)
– Breel Embolo, striker born in Cameroon
– Yvon Mvogo, goalkeeper born in Cameroon
– Kwadwo Duah, striker born in England
– Xherdan Shaqiri, striker born in Yugoslavia, in a city that currently belongs to Kosovo
𝐒𝐩𝐚𝐢𝐧 (3)
– Robin Le Normand, French-born defender
– Joselu, German-born striker
– Aymeric Laporte, French-born defender
𝐂𝐫𝐨𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐚 (😎
– Josip Stanisic, defender born in Germany
– Marin Pongracic, defender born in Germany
– Josip Sutalo, defender born in Bosnia and Herzegovina
– Mateo Kovacic, midfielder born in Austria
– Mario Pasalic, midfielder born in Germany
– Ante Budimir, 𝐬𝐭𝐫𝐢𝐤𝐞 born in Bosnia and Herzegovina
– Marco Pasalic, striker born in Germany
– Luka Sucic, midfielder born in Austria
𝐈𝐭𝐚𝐥𝐲 (2)
– Jorginho, midfielder born in Brazil
– Mateo Retegui, striker born in Argentina
𝐀𝐥𝐛𝐚𝐧𝐢𝐚 (18)
– Etrit Berisha, Kosovo-born goalkeeper
– Iván Balliu, Spanish-born defender
– Mario Mitaj, Greek-born defender
– Arlind Ajeti, Swiss-born defender
– Berat Djimsiti, Swiss-born defender
– Jasir Asani, striker born in North Macedonia
– Nedim Bajrami, Swiss-born midfielder
– Armando Broja, English-born striker
– Taulant Seferi, striker born in North Macedonia
– Medon Berisha, Swiss-born midfielder
– Ardian Ismajli, Kosovo-born defender
– Mirlind Daku, Kosovo-born striker
– Ylber Ramadani, German-born midfielder
– Amir Abrashi, Swiss-born midfielder
– Thomas Strakosha, Greek-born goalkeeper
– Marash Kumbulla , Italian-born defender
– Naser Aliji, North Macedonian-born defender
– Arbër Hoxha, German-born attacker
𝐒𝐥𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐧𝐢𝐚 (2)
– Sandi Lovric, midfielder born in Austria
– Josip Iličić, striker born in Yugoslavia, in a city that currently belongs to Bosnia and Herzegovina
𝐒𝐞𝐫𝐛𝐢𝐚 (4)
– Miloš Veljković, Swiss-born defender
– Lazar Samardžić, German-born striker
– Sergej Milinković-Savić, Spanish-born midfielder
– Vanja Milinković-Savić, Spanish-born goalkeeper
𝐄𝐧𝐠𝐥𝐚𝐧𝐝 (1)
– Marc Guéhi, defender born in Côte d'Ivoire
𝐏𝐨𝐥𝐚𝐧𝐝 (2)
– Taras Romanczuk, Ukrainian-born midfielder
– Nicola Zalewski, Italian-born midfielder
𝐅𝐫𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐞 (4)
– Brice Samba, goalkeeper born in the Democratic Republic of Congo
– Eduardo Camavinga, midfielder born in Angola
– Marcus Thuram, striker born in Italy
– Mike Maignan, goalkeeper born in French Guiana
𝐁𝐞𝐥𝐠𝐢𝐮𝐦 (1)
– Amadou Onana, midfielder born in Senegal
𝐒𝐥𝐨𝐯𝐚𝐤𝐢𝐚 (1)
– Vernon De Marco, Argentine-born defender
𝐑𝐨𝐦𝐚𝐧𝐢𝐚 (2)
– Ianis Hagi, Turkish-born midfielder
– Bogdan Racovitan, French-born defender
𝐔𝐤𝐫𝐚𝐢𝐧𝐞 (2)
– Andriy Yarmolenko, striker born in the Soviet Union, in a city that currently belongs to Russia
– Viktor Tsyhankov, midfielder born in Israel
𝐓𝐮̈𝐫𝐤𝐢𝐲𝐞 (😎
– Orkun Kokcu, Dutch-born midfielder
– Cenk Tosun, German-born striker
– Hakan Çalhanoglu, German-born midfielder
– Salih Ozcan, German-born midfielder
– Mert Muldur, Austrian-born defender
– Kenan Yildiz, German-born striker
– Ferdi Kadioglu, Dutch-born midfielder
– Kaan Ayhan, German-born defender
𝐆𝐞𝐨𝐫𝐠𝐢𝐚 (2)
– Giorgi Tsitaishvili, Israeli-born midfielder
– Georges Mikautadze, French-born striker
𝐏𝐨𝐫𝐭𝐮𝐠𝐚𝐥 (4)
– Pepe, defender born in Brazil
– Danilo Pereira, defender born in Guinea-Bissau
– Matheus Nunes, midfielders born in Brazil
– Diogo Costa, goalkeeper born in Switzerland
That's interesting.
Germany could gave another team in the tournament.
Quote from: marty34 on June 16, 2024, 09:00:07 PMGermany could gave another team in the tournament.
Yeah, 15 players born in Germany playing this tournament for other countries.
Quote from: Capt Pat on June 16, 2024, 08:52:11 PMEngland started well but are lucky to have the lead as they didn't create a lot and Serbia are coming into the game.
This team is a long way off winning this tournament. They're not great.
That Kane is a awful hoor for the diving
He's a cheating bollocks. Saka tends to go missing when a real tight marking defender goes on him.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 16, 2024, 09:40:11 PMHe's a cheating bollocks. Saka tends to go missing when a real tight marking defender goes on him.
Foden has been anonymous as well
England very ordinary and lucky to get all 3 points from that game.
England have some very unlikable players.
Quote from: jcpen on June 16, 2024, 03:59:17 PMMan United will be looking for Weghorst to come back next season.
Quote from: jcpen on June 16, 2024, 08:42:28 PMSerbians are tackling hard, great to see.
Yeah Bellingham can act the knob alright.
Had he went to Liverpool I think they would have won the league
Southgate doesn't know what to do with foden- which is good as he can be one of the best around if used right.
Oh Christ, that song again!!!!
Even more reason for England to go home early
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 16, 2024, 09:56:30 PMSouthgate doesn't know what to do with foden- which is good as he can be one of the best around if used right.
Same with Trent.
Yeah he has no clue with him.
England got the win alright, but I don't expect them to meet a team capable of beating them until the quarter finals. The performance was as poor as it possibly could be with numerous talented players not performing.
Commentary predictably insufferable.
Argentina lost to Saudi Arabia and won the World Cup.
England will be fine.
Also what was Mainoo doing when he came on playing up front? It made no sense to me.
Trent to get punished for this result and get dropped for Mainoo or Gallagher.
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 16, 2024, 10:06:47 PMArgentina lost to Saudi Arabia and won the World Cup.
England will be fine.
They're not going out any time soon but they're not great either.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 16, 2024, 10:13:32 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on June 16, 2024, 10:06:47 PMArgentina lost to Saudi Arabia and won the World Cup.
England will be fine.
They're not going out any time soon but they're not great either.
They,in my opinion, aren't at the level of France. Portugal also have a stronger squad. Germany, Italy and Netherlands would be a match for them.
England have the strongest squad in the tournament for me. They're the only team expected to give a 10/10 performance every game by their supporters, media and detractors. Anything less than that is a disaster.
Quote from: square_ball on June 17, 2024, 07:42:33 AMEngland have the strongest squad in the tournament for me. They're the only team expected to give a 10/10 performance every game by their supporters, media and detractors. Anything less than that is a disaster.
Too many square pegs in round holes to really give it a go.
A right fullback at left back is the most obvious one, playing Trent in midfield last night kinda proved Klopp right in that regard, maybe his concentration levels just aren't there and Foden out left didn't work as he wants to come inside all the time.
Kane was pish,, 2 touches of the ball the whole first half which England absolutely dominated, can't make the runs in behind and is at his best attacking crosses coming in from out wide which is currently only coming in from one side.
If Southgate had a set of swingers Foden would be dropped for Gordon and TAA dropped for Mainoo. I'd persist with Sakha over Dani Dyers boyfriend as England need pace up front if they persist with Kane as he's un-droppable allegedly.
Quote from: johnnycool on June 17, 2024, 08:37:45 AMQuote from: square_ball on June 17, 2024, 07:42:33 AMEngland have the strongest squad in the tournament for me. They're the only team expected to give a 10/10 performance every game by their supporters, media and detractors. Anything less than that is a disaster.
Too many square pegs in round holes to really give it a go.
A right fullback at left back is the most obvious one, playing Trent in midfield last night kinda proved Klopp right in that regard, maybe his concentration levels just aren't there and Foden out left didn't work as he wants to come inside all the time.
Kane was pish,, 2 touches of the ball the whole first half which England absolutely dominated, can't make the runs in behind and is at his best attacking crosses coming in from out wide which is currently only coming in from one side.
If Southgate had a set of swingers Foden would be dropped for Gordon and TAA dropped for Mainoo. I'd persist with Sakha over Dani Dyers boyfriend as England need pace up front if they persist with Kane as he's un-droppable allegedly.
In Kane's defence, he was playing as an out-and-out striker with no support. Only chance he got was when he hit the bar - cross in was excellent from Bowen and keeper made an excellent save.
True, England are jigging things about to suit certain players and that may be their downfall later on in the tournament.
They'll be happy with the win, 3pts and a clean sheet.
England are effectively playing with no left side, and will be found out plus some when they meet a balanced side.
Southgate has been there a decade or so. This is entirely on him.
Quote from: marty34 on June 17, 2024, 08:46:10 AMQuote from: johnnycool on June 17, 2024, 08:37:45 AMQuote from: square_ball on June 17, 2024, 07:42:33 AMEngland have the strongest squad in the tournament for me. They're the only team expected to give a 10/10 performance every game by their supporters, media and detractors. Anything less than that is a disaster.
Too many square pegs in round holes to really give it a go.
A right fullback at left back is the most obvious one, playing Trent in midfield last night kinda proved Klopp right in that regard, maybe his concentration levels just aren't there and Foden out left didn't work as he wants to come inside all the time.
Kane was pish,, 2 touches of the ball the whole first half which England absolutely dominated, can't make the runs in behind and is at his best attacking crosses coming in from out wide which is currently only coming in from one side.
If Southgate had a set of swingers Foden would be dropped for Gordon and TAA dropped for Mainoo. I'd persist with Sakha over Dani Dyers boyfriend as England need pace up front if they persist with Kane as he's un-droppable allegedly.
In Kane's defence, he was playing as an out-and-out striker with no support. Only chance he got was when he hit the bar - cross in was excellent from Bowen and keeper made an excellent save.
True, England are jigging things about to suit certain players and that may be their downfall later on in the tournament.
They'll be happy with the win, 3pts and a clean sheet.
That's the point about Kane, in the first half England must have had 70%+ possession and he didn't really touch the ball, so if he'd no support then how the hell is he going to do anything against the better teams when England won't have so much ball and need a willing runner down the channels to get them up the field.
Kane's best days are behind him and he's potentially holding this England team back, not complaining though ;D
There's got to be a format tweak similar to the arduous GAA championship that could be introduced to prolong England's agony, something convoluted that keeps them treading water against workmanlike teams for a good month before elimination, if they keep this up it could reach levels not seen since well whoever the last gaffer was
On a side note, wouldn't be a supporter of the Republic or the norf but thank feck neither qualified as they'd get the most almighty hidings from most teams in the competition nevermind the big guns
Quote from: johnnycool on June 17, 2024, 08:55:24 AMQuote from: marty34 on June 17, 2024, 08:46:10 AMQuote from: johnnycool on June 17, 2024, 08:37:45 AMQuote from: square_ball on June 17, 2024, 07:42:33 AMEngland have the strongest squad in the tournament for me. They're the only team expected to give a 10/10 performance every game by their supporters, media and detractors. Anything less than that is a disaster.
Too many square pegs in round holes to really give it a go.
A right fullback at left back is the most obvious one, playing Trent in midfield last night kinda proved Klopp right in that regard, maybe his concentration levels just aren't there and Foden out left didn't work as he wants to come inside all the time.
Kane was pish,, 2 touches of the ball the whole first half which England absolutely dominated, can't make the runs in behind and is at his best attacking crosses coming in from out wide which is currently only coming in from one side.
If Southgate had a set of swingers Foden would be dropped for Gordon and TAA dropped for Mainoo. I'd persist with Sakha over Dani Dyers boyfriend as England need pace up front if they persist with Kane as he's un-droppable allegedly.
In Kane's defence, he was playing as an out-and-out striker with no support. Only chance he got was when he hit the bar - cross in was excellent from Bowen and keeper made an excellent save.
True, England are jigging things about to suit certain players and that may be their downfall later on in the tournament.
They'll be happy with the win, 3pts and a clean sheet.
That's the point about Kane, in the first half England must have had 70%+ possession and he didn't really touch the ball, so if he'd no support then how the hell is he going to do anything against the better teams when England won't have so much ball and need a willing runner down the channels to get them up the field.
Kane's best days are behind him and he's potentially holding this England team back, not complaining though ;D
I think Kane would be ok if right system played. He doesn't know how to play Kane, a left back, TAA or Phil Foden. The manager doesn't really know what he's at. (which is good because there are some very good players there).
Quote from: thewobbler on June 17, 2024, 08:52:14 AMEngland are effectively playing with no left side, and will be found out plus some when they meet a balanced side.
Southgate has been there a decade or so. This is entirely on him.
The players have to shoulder some responsibility for their output too especially basic errors and general passive shiteness
Quote from: tiempo on June 17, 2024, 09:25:30 AMQuote from: thewobbler on June 17, 2024, 08:52:14 AMEngland are effectively playing with no left side, and will be found out plus some when they meet a balanced side.
Southgate has been there a decade or so. This is entirely on him.
The players have to shoulder some responsibility for their output too especially basic errors and general passive shiteness
It's international football and it's Southgate, so it is going to be generally conservative and no risk taking.
Any one else finding Bellingham hard to watch, with the throwing himself about and the moaning.
Unreal talent but was finding this with Real last season too, hard to watch.
Could you imagine the English media had they beaten Croatia 3-0?
From that performance it looked to me like the press have been blowing a load of smoke up Foden's ass all year. Better teams will look at that and see that if you attack England and put them on the back foot, their defence is suspect.
Saw a headline on ESPN this morning "Bellingham bends Euro 24 to his will"
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Quote from: NAG1 on June 17, 2024, 09:29:37 AMQuote from: tiempo on June 17, 2024, 09:25:30 AMQuote from: thewobbler on June 17, 2024, 08:52:14 AMEngland are effectively playing with no left side, and will be found out plus some when they meet a balanced side.
Southgate has been there a decade or so. This is entirely on him.
The players have to shoulder some responsibility for their output too especially basic errors and general passive shiteness
It's international football and it's Southgate, so it is going to be generally conservative and no risk taking.
Any one else finding Bellingham hard to watch, with the throwing himself about and the moaning.
Unreal talent but was finding this with Real last season too, hard to watch.
His celebration on the final whistle of a ropey 1-0 win when they were hanging on for most of the second half was nothing short of embarrassing
Remind me more of the honey monster than mentality monsters
Quote from: NAG1 on June 17, 2024, 09:29:37 AMQuote from: tiempo on June 17, 2024, 09:25:30 AMQuote from: thewobbler on June 17, 2024, 08:52:14 AMEngland are effectively playing with no left side, and will be found out plus some when they meet a balanced side.
Southgate has been there a decade or so. This is entirely on him.
The players have to shoulder some responsibility for their output too especially basic errors and general passive shiteness
It's international football and it's Southgate, so it is going to be generally conservative and no risk taking.
Any one else finding Bellingham hard to watch, with the throwing himself about and the moaning.
Unreal talent but was finding this with Real last season too, hard to watch.
He's a little p***k. Was despised by his team-mates at Dortmund.
It was the penalty stuff he was at with Kane in the CL semi final that put me right off. Think that last comment describes him well.
I thought England looked a bit meh after all the hype (from a good few friends who are terrified they are going to win it as well).
Is Southgate doing a 'Sven' putting squares in round holes to try and play all the big time Charlie's that the media/public want?
They said Sven didn't pick his England teams , the media did then too. Hence Scholes out of position , and Gerrard/Lampard in middle .
I think there is a tendency for England managers being afraid to make the big calls for fear of being slaughtered .
The only man I had a bit of respect for , was Capello around the captaincy thing . He wanted to keep Terry as captain, but he was told he must be stripped of it. So he said f**k you , and walked.
Romanians are absolutely raking it
Romania 3 - 0 Ukraine. Bit of a surprise?
Quote from: Pub Bore on June 17, 2024, 04:01:40 PMRomania 3 - 0 Ukraine. Bit of a surprise?
Bookies had Ukraine at 7/10 this morning, think romania were about 3/1. They were unbeaten in qualifying whereas Ukraine beat Iceland in a play off to get there. Dont know why bookies would price it like that.
Quote from: maddog on June 17, 2024, 04:43:27 PMQuote from: Pub Bore on June 17, 2024, 04:01:40 PMRomania 3 - 0 Ukraine. Bit of a surprise?
Bookies had Ukraine at 7/10 this morning, think romania were about 3/1. They were unbeaten in qualifying whereas Ukraine beat Iceland in a play off to get there. Dont know why bookies would price it like that.
A considerable weighting would be based on the spread of bets received, more people betting on Ukraine would thin their price and create a value price for Romania in this instance, in other words you wouldn't have got that price in a Romanian bookies. Actuary and algorithms will have the bookies in the green don't worry - always nice to beat them the odd time though, there's money to be made if you are smart and study the right markets
Quote from: tiempo on June 17, 2024, 04:51:39 PMA considerable weighting would be based on the spread of bets received, more people betting on Ukraine would thin their price and create a value price for Romania in this instance, in other words you wouldn't have got that price in a Romanian bookies. Actuary and algorithms will have the bookies in the green don't worry - always nice to beat them the odd time though, there's money to be made if you are smart and study the right markets
Interesting. Would such things happen in our regional market, say a bookies in Kerry offering shorter odds than a bookies in Tyrone on a Kerry Win?
Quote from: Puckoon on June 17, 2024, 09:19:53 PMQuote from: tiempo on June 17, 2024, 04:51:39 PMA considerable weighting would be based on the spread of bets received, more people betting on Ukraine would thin their price and create a value price for Romania in this instance, in other words you wouldn't have got that price in a Romanian bookies. Actuary and algorithms will have the bookies in the green don't worry - always nice to beat them the odd time though, there's money to be made if you are smart and study the right markets
Interesting. Would such things happen in our regional market, say a bookies in Kerry offering shorter odds than a bookies in Tyrone on a Kerry Win?
Short answer, no
GAA betting is a small niche market
Also the number of independent high street bookies is practically nil, you might get a very slight fluctuation between shops over the course of an hour but they'd have corrected rapidly, it's a tech industry
Ironically GAA betting has also been an achilles heel of sorts to the likes of William Hill and Paddy Power, they don't always have the inside track as it's so parochial, especially the club scene, but county also, like the rise of Louth, I'm sure there was money to be made there, it's whether you're across the emerging trend and end of the day your gut feel/read is correct
Bookies are set up to avoid those kind of discrepancies. I worked in one in the late 80s/early 90s, and for any bet over 50 quid, we had to tell the manager first. If there were a lot of such bets on a given contestant, HQ would lay the bet off, and drop the price. And that was before the internet was really a thing.
France are superb - I heard the commentator mention they are co-favourites to win, I'm assuming he meant along with Germany?
(Don't follow soccer ball that much, only the internationals)
Quite possibly Engerland Gerard tho I haven't checked. Fra Eng Por would have been up there with Germany not overly fancied tho home soil will help and they have have maybe got their act together again, based on first match against admittedly poor opposition
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on June 18, 2024, 11:11:05 AMQuite possibly Engerland Gerard tho I haven't checked. Fra Eng Por would have been up there with Germany not overly fancied tho home soil will help and they have have maybe got their act together again, based on first match against admittedly poor opposition
Thanks, I watched the England game and wasn't that impressed.
V poor second half from what I heard. They will be good in patches and hard to beat but ultimately wouldn't be where my money would be going.
Mbappes broken nose might make things interesting, ah just hoping for some good games, soft spot for ze Germans
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on June 18, 2024, 11:31:26 AMV poor second half from what I heard. They will be good in patches and hard to beat but ultimately wouldn't be where my money would be going.
Mbappes broken nose might make things interesting, ah just hoping for some good games, soft spot for ze Germans
Didnt know you needed a straight nose to play football ;)
That was a lively one!
Super game. Some intensity in it.
End-to-end.
Georgia had them couple of chances before the break away goal.
Fantastic game.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 18, 2024, 12:15:29 PMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on June 18, 2024, 11:31:26 AMV poor second half from what I heard. They will be good in patches and hard to beat but ultimately wouldn't be where my money would be going.
Mbappes broken nose might make things interesting, ah just hoping for some good games, soft spot for ze Germans
Didnt know you needed a straight nose to play football ;)
I thought a broken one was a pre-requisite in Armagh 😜
Think he misses next match which is against the dutch, but aye will probably be limited disruption to be fair
Jaysus Portugal have a strong squad. V strong bench
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on June 18, 2024, 08:07:24 PMJaysus Portugal have a strong squad. V strong bench
Said they other day it's a far better and stronger squad than England have.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on June 18, 2024, 08:07:24 PMJaysus Portugal have a strong squad. V strong bench
Found it strange that England perennial failures at tournaments were quoted at 7/2 in places and Portugal were 8/1 given the squad depth of portugal.Not finding a place for jota in team could hurt them.
Portugal one behind, will see what they are made of in the last 20 minutes or so.
Their bench is the strongest in the tournament. Time to use it
Awful goalkeeping allows Portugal draw level.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 18, 2024, 09:28:06 PMAwful goalkeeping allows Portugal draw level.
Very poor alright. Should have caught it with both hands. Slippy conditions but not a lot of power on the header.
Disappointing as they didn't have the lead for too long.
Cracker of an opening goal.
Two gifts of goals for Portugal to win that game.
Disappointed for Czechia - felt 1-1 would have been a fair result for that game.
Decent tournament so far.
Portugal look about as good as England. Very lucky to get the win there. After the first round of games, I'd have Spain, France and Germany ahead of both.
Clear foul from Semedo before the winner there. No idea how it wasn't given. Even that complete dose Danny Murphy had to admit that it was a bad one after originally claiming there was absolutely nothing in it.
I know its said every year but have the Turks potential to go far?
If you look at the clubs their midfielders play for.
Real Madrid, Juventus, Inter Milan and Benfica.
Guler and Yildiz only teenagers tipped to go very far.
Copa America starts tomorrow in the US. Four groups of four, top two from each group go straight to QFs. Final same day as Euros. Argentina defending champions.
Anyone else think that "sniko-meter" used to deny Belgium their goal is a bowl of pish?
It barely touched the lads hand and made little to no difference to the flight of the ball certainly wasn't intentional.
Quote from: johnnycool on June 19, 2024, 01:54:55 PMAnyone else think that "sniko-meter" used to deny Belgium their goal is a bowl of pish?
It barely touched the lads hand and made little to no difference to the flight of the ball certainly wasn't intentional.
Great for the old cricket but absolutely useless for football.
It wasn't a goal though, he clearly handled it.
Albania are doing rightly, very fast on the break and solid defence..
Croatia will find it tough to break down
Some finish, what a game!
Cracker of a match, it had everything!
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on June 19, 2024, 02:47:07 PMIt wasn't a goal though, he clearly handled it.
Because he was pushed in the back.
Swiss keeper will likely have words with his back.
Quote from: marty34 on June 14, 2024, 09:49:49 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 14, 2024, 09:23:35 PMI'm going to say now that Scotland won't score any goals in the tournament
The Euros need to go back to an 8 team tournament , like back in Euro 88. Too many teams totally out of their depth
Well, technically you're correct! :)
Still technically correct ;D
Why do shit teams insist on playing it out from the back ffs
It's like watching Celtic compete in Europe
Quote from: jcpen on June 19, 2024, 08:15:45 PMQuote from: marty34 on June 14, 2024, 09:49:49 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 14, 2024, 09:23:35 PMI'm going to say now that Scotland won't score any goals in the tournament
The Euros need to go back to an 8 team tournament , like back in Euro 88. Too many teams totally out of their depth
Well, technically you're correct! :)
Still technically correct ;D
LOL. ;D
Quote from: gallsman on June 19, 2024, 06:55:36 PMQuote from: Jell 0 Biafra on June 19, 2024, 02:47:07 PMIt wasn't a goal though, he clearly handled it.
Because he was pushed in the back.
If so, still not a goal, but he should have gotten a free.
Pretty decent second half from Scotland, made some good chances.
McTominay has been credited with the Scottish goal. He is lucky. It should have been an own goal imho. It was all about the Swiss defenders massive deflection.
Yeah, it shows that their criterion is all wrong. Yes, it was on target (which is the criterion), but there was no way that was going in until the deflection. UEFA can call it what they want, but it was an OG.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on June 19, 2024, 10:46:55 PMYeah, it shows that their criterion is all wrong. Yes, it was on target (which is the criterion), but there was no way that was going in until the deflection. UEFA can call it what they want, but it was an OG.
Suppose they have to define it some way. Always going to be subjective whether a keeper would have saved it or not. (Didn't see this one tbf)
If you see a replay, you can see the keeper crouch to take it into his chest, and his face when the deflection takes it away. He knew he had it.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on June 19, 2024, 11:11:59 PMIf you see a replay, you can see the keeper crouch to take it into his chest, and his face when the deflection takes it away. He knew he had it.
If it's on target it's a goal not own goal , been that way for a while
Quote from: Gerard O'Neill on June 19, 2024, 09:52:58 PMPretty decent second half from Scotland, made some good chances.
We probably dont want to admit it but Scotland are basically us... right now they are better than us. They have a few really good players and then a bunch of average ones. Ralston can't get a game for Celtic. He only ever comes in when every other full back is injured. Adams up front offers nothing. Having said that they were worth at least a draw tonight. Terrible mistake from Ralston but what a finish - he still had so much to do.
Hope they get through now - they add to the tournament
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 19, 2024, 11:19:46 PMQuote from: Jell 0 Biafra on June 19, 2024, 11:11:59 PMIf you see a replay, you can see the keeper crouch to take it into his chest, and his face when the deflection takes it away. He knew he had it.
If it's on target it's a goal not own goal , been that way for a while
Yeah, I said I was disagreeing with the criterion 2 posts back.
Quote from: straightred on June 19, 2024, 11:20:20 PMQuote from: Gerard O'Neill on June 19, 2024, 09:52:58 PMPretty decent second half from Scotland, made some good chances.
We probably dont want to admit it but Scotland are basically us... right now they are better than us. They have a few really good players and then a bunch of average ones. Ralston can't get a game for Celtic. He only ever comes in when every other full back is injured. Adams up front offers nothing. Having said that they were worth at least a draw tonight. Terrible mistake from Ralston but what a finish - he still had so much to do.
Hope they get through now - they add to the tournament
They're miles ahead of us at the minute obviously. Definitely hope to see them get a win in the next game and get out of the group. Have we any really good players at the minute lol?
Awful defending by the Danes on that goal. The state of the pitch is very poor.
1-1 not a bad strike for your first goal for Denmark.
Eat my goal!
Foden a bit greedy in that half. Had the chance to put Kane clean through, but took a potshot instead.
Only a few games into this tournament and so far of the favourites/big teams England are the worst coached teams.
James McClean right on his opinion about Declan Rice?
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 20, 2024, 05:51:40 PMOnly a few games into this tournament and so far of the favourites/big teams England are the worst coached teams.
Totally imbalanced, an age old failing of England, big names have to play even if a more specialist player is available. I honest to god thought Trent wasn't playing until about 5 mins to HT. Gallagher should be on asap, but probably won't.
Edit- not a day for that threesome behind Kane either, another less attacking MFer required too imo.
Cheillini doing the half time on Fox. Just when I was beginning to think his English wasn't up to it, he answers a question on Southgate's tactics with "He always does this. For the last 4 years. The result was [brief pause] good enough."
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 20, 2024, 05:55:07 PMJames McClean right on his opinion about Declan Rice?
That he passionately wants God to save his king?
English are there for the taking
I can see England fluking a win here. I honestly thought they'd be better than this. They'll be out to the first decent team they face in the knockouts.
Southgate just subbed out his two highest scorers.
Who'd have thought it. :D
England unbelievably bad. As much stick as he gets Harry Maguire is a loss there, that defence is creaking. A France or Germany would wallop that team performing like that
underwhelming stuff from England. Denmark should be disappointed not to win.
Quote from: bennydorano on June 20, 2024, 06:51:22 PMEngland unbelievably bad. As much stick as he gets Harry Maguire is a loss there, that defence is creaking. A France or Germany would wallop that team performing like that
Maguire would let Stones play more like he does for City
TAA role not working neither have foden/Jude playing together. Is Kane on the way down/out....
Trippier at lb not working either. Lots to fall in place for them to do anything ....
England were lucky to get the draw. The Danes gifted them the opening goal. So far with all the great attacking talent England haven't created or scored a good goal in two games against lesser teams.
James McClean is loving life on rte isnt he
Quote from: Capt Pat on June 20, 2024, 07:14:48 PMEngland were lucky to get the draw. The Danes gifted them the opening goal. So far with all the great attacking talent England haven't created or scored a good goal in two games against lesser teams.
Southgate a poor manager which is good as they should have a good team for once.
Gareth Southgate is useless and always has been the absolute state of the English fans and media in 2018 when a shite England stumbled into a world cup semi final. He was treated as the second coming, when in reality he is hopeless. It's taken 6 yrs for them to wake up. Only now are the pundits starting to criticize him ffs
No replacement for Phillips? Maybe Mainoo who's twice the player?
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on June 20, 2024, 08:12:53 PMGareth Southgate is useless and always has been the absolute state of the English fans and media in 2018 when a shite England stumbled into a world cup semi final. He was treated as the second coming, when in reality he is hopeless
Brutal. The only decent team they beat was Germany in 2021 who were in a bad place at that stage
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 20, 2024, 08:15:48 PMQuote from: JPGJOHNNYG on June 20, 2024, 08:12:53 PMGareth Southgate is useless and always has been the absolute state of the English fans and media in 2018 when a shite England stumbled into a world cup semi final. He was treated as the second coming, when in reality he is hopeless
Brutal. The only decent team they beat was Germany in 2021 who were in a bad place at that stage
2018 beat Panama, Tunisia and Sweden drew with Colombia and lost to Croatia and Belgium twice and the country completely lost their shit about how great England had become :o
Glad to say that was fairly poor from England , but unfortunately though, they are still in it , and already through to the last 16
Should have been beaten tonight , but I wont be able to sit comfortably until they're on a plane home.
Hopefully they'll continue to play as poor as that and the first decent team will send them packing
They're a poor team. No concerns about them winning it.
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 20, 2024, 08:46:05 PMGlad to say that was fairly poor from England , but unfortunately though, they are still in it , and already through to the last 16
Should have been beaten tonight , but I wont be able to sit comfortably until they're on a plane home.
Hopefully they'll continue to play as poor as that and the first decent team will send them packing
Yeah only really enjoy a tournament when I know they have started their summer holidays.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 20, 2024, 09:01:31 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 20, 2024, 08:46:05 PMGlad to say that was fairly poor from England , but unfortunately though, they are still in it , and already through to the last 16
Should have been beaten tonight , but I wont be able to sit comfortably until they're on a plane home.
Hopefully they'll continue to play as poor as that and the first decent team will send them packing
Yeah only really enjoy a tournament when I know they have started their summer holidays.
That penalty shootout against Italy was serious, serious craic (thankfully they did an Armagh)
Spain are impressive. Italy hanging on and will be lucky if this is only 1-0. Good game
Very one-sided game, that. Spain look very good.
England very lucky to be in what looks like the weakest group. If they meet, Spain will dismantle them.
Quote from: Pub Bore on June 21, 2024, 12:08:20 PMEngland very lucky to be in what looks like the weakest group. If they meet, Spain will dismantle them.
Is there no other left full backs in England other than the perennially injured Shaw?
Kane is bolloxed, Southgate did the right thing in taking him off and bringing on Watkins, who's prepared to stay up the field and try to run the channels in behind these high lined defences. Foden isn't the worst and he may get a more central role if Southgate drops TAA and then plays Bellingham deeper, but Gordon must have really blotted the copy book to not get a look in at left side of that attack!
Radio 5 live was choice this morning, all doom and gloom apart from an Irish girl now living in England pointing out to them that there's no joy in them but that comes from their arrogance and entitlement.
Quote from: johnnycool on June 21, 2024, 12:25:57 PMQuote from: Pub Bore on June 21, 2024, 12:08:20 PMEngland very lucky to be in what looks like the weakest group. If they meet, Spain will dismantle them.
Is there no other left full backs in England other than the perennially injured Shaw?
Kane is bolloxed, Southgate did the right thing in taking him off and bringing on Watkins, who's prepared to stay up the field and try to run the channels in behind these high lined defences. Foden isn't the worst and he may get a more central role if Southgate drops TAA and then plays Bellingham deeper, but Gordon must have really blotted the copy book to not get a look in at left side of that attack!
Radio 5 live was choice this morning, all doom and gloom apart from an Irish girl now living in England pointing out to them that there's no joy in them but that comes from their arrogance and entitlement.
I hear Lineker had a go at him on the BBC. It's rare you get that from an English pundit. Kane never had any speed but he looks slow and cumbersome compared to the other strikers in the tournament. Rice was feckin' awful, a poor man's Ray Wilkins.
Have been saying a long time that Rice is overrated. Now he fair burst the lungs singing the British anthem but that's all he did. Shame someone like that ever got to sully the Irish geansaí.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 20, 2024, 09:09:20 PMQuote from: Tony Baloney on June 20, 2024, 09:01:31 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 20, 2024, 08:46:05 PMGlad to say that was fairly poor from England , but unfortunately though, they are still in it , and already through to the last 16
Should have been beaten tonight , but I wont be able to sit comfortably until they're on a plane home.
Hopefully they'll continue to play as poor as that and the first decent team will send them packing
Yeah only really enjoy a tournament when I know they have started their summer holidays.
That penalty shootout against Italy was serious, serious craic (thankfully they did an Armagh)
Craic me arse. That was too close for comfort . Ideally you want them out in the early rounds so they're nowhere near winning it
Quote from: weareros on June 21, 2024, 12:43:34 PMHave been saying a long time that Rice is overrated. Now he fair burst the lungs singing the British anthem but that's all he did. Shame someone like that ever got to sully the Irish geansaí.
He must have knackered himself singing for his king
You're right though. All this craic about Ireland should have capped him so he couldn't declare for England. Feck that , good riddance to him
Quote from: weareros on June 21, 2024, 12:43:34 PMHave been saying a long time that Rice is overrated. Now he fair burst the lungs singing the British anthem but that's all he did. Shame someone like that ever got to sully the Irish geansaí.
Bellingham or Foden I don't think are overrated but Rice very over rated. He doesn't have good enough technical ability. The new story seems to be that England don't know how to replace Kalvin Phillips. Sure he's useless ;D
I do think Saka is a bit overrated. When the going gets tough he seems to go a bit missing. Definitely a gifted player but in one off games I think he can be managed (from an opposition point of view).
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 21, 2024, 01:51:08 PMQuote from: weareros on June 21, 2024, 12:43:34 PMHave been saying a long time that Rice is overrated. Now he fair burst the lungs singing the British anthem but that's all he did. Shame someone like that ever got to sully the Irish geansaí.
Bellingham or Foden I don't think are overrated but Rice very over rated. He doesn't have good enough technical ability. The new story seems to be that England don't know how to replace Kalvin Phillips. Sure he's useless ;D
I do think Saka is a bit overrated. When the going gets tough he seems to go a bit missing. Definitely a gifted player but in one off games I think he can be managed (from an opposition point of view).
I don't watch much premiership but anytime I've seen Cole Palmer recently i've been impressed. Surely he has to be worth a run
Lol, I'm with you straightred but think Dean Ashton is ahead of him 8n the peck8ng order
Quote from: An Watcher on June 21, 2024, 05:50:09 PMLol, I'm with you straightred but think Dean Ashton is ahead of him 8n the peck8ng order
I fixed it... what a brain fart that was :-) Its been a long week
Harsh ruling out that Dutch goal? Would the French keeper have got there, I doubt it.
Tough decision on the Dutch there, that keeper was going down as fast as Shilton in 1990
France are very ordinary without Mmmboppe
For two nations known for their flair, that was all a bit agricultural.
To me the goalkeeper was clearly impeded in going for the ball. I don't know what took var so long.
Quote from: Capt Pat on June 21, 2024, 09:55:13 PMTo me the goalkeeper was clearly impeded in going for the ball. I don't know what took var so long.
In the BBC studio they all think that goal should have stood.
Quote from: Capt Pat on June 21, 2024, 09:55:13 PMTo me the goalkeeper was clearly impeded in going for the ball. I don't know what took var so long.
Nobody on the bbc agrees with me but what do Rooney, Shearer, Fabregas and Lineker know about football?
A french player is yet to score
Even Scotland have scored more goals than France.
Is Capt Pat a member of the Goalkeeper ls Union by any chance? Bad decision.
Unlikely that the French keeper would have saved it.
But the correct decision was made. The offside player clearly impeded the goalkeeper.
Surely the Austrian player kicked Chesney (I can't spell Szczesny) in the head for that penalty?
It doesn't really matter whether the keeper was never getting to the ball. His ability to try was impeded by an offside player. Cut and dry, imo. Not sure what took VAR so long to agree with the on-field ruling.
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 21, 2024, 10:10:29 PMSurely the Austrian player kicked Chesney (I can't spell Szczesny) in the head for that penalty?
True. But diving is an accepted part of the game and diving to win a penalty is respected by the refs and players alike.
Quote from: Capt Pat on June 21, 2024, 10:01:32 PMQuote from: Capt Pat on June 21, 2024, 09:55:13 PMTo me the goalkeeper was clearly impeded in going for the ball. I don't know what took var so long.
Nobody on the bbc agrees with me but what do Rooney, Shearer, Fabregas and Lineker know about football?
Bar Fabregas the brain cells would be in short supply there...
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on June 21, 2024, 10:10:57 PMIt doesn't really matter whether the keeper was never getting to the ball. His ability to try was impeded by an offside player. Cut and dry, imo. Not sure what took VAR so long to agree with the on-field ruling.
100% correct.
I called it in realtime - whimsically because let's be honest realtime is deceptive - but once the linesman put up his flag they should have just got on with it.
English referees just don't seem able to to trust their judgement, or their co-official's judgement.
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 21, 2024, 10:10:29 PMSurely the Austrian player kicked Chesney (I can't spell Szczesny) in the head for that penalty?
He clearly fouled him with his face (I can't spell it either).
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on June 22, 2024, 01:59:13 AMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 21, 2024, 10:10:29 PMSurely the Austrian player kicked Chesney (I can't spell Szczesny) in the head for that penalty?
He clearly fouled him with his face (I can't spell it either).
Let's just call him the Polish goalie.
Need to tighten up their security when Ronaldo is playing.
Four dicks on the pitch looking selfies ffs
Clive Tyldesley on ITV, what a f**king dose with McCoist licking his hole. Hagi, "part of Steven Gerrards' invincibles at Rangers". Away and f**k off you utter p***k.
Mr OG doing well this tournament.
Quote from: red hander on June 22, 2024, 09:54:27 PMClive Tyldesley on ITV, what a f**king dose with McCoist licking his hole. Hagi, "part of Steven Gerrards' invincibles at Rangers". Away and f**k off you utter p***k.
They were a great side , to be fair though ;)
Quote from: red hander on June 22, 2024, 09:54:27 PMClive Tyldesley on ITV, what a f**king dose with McCoist licking his hole. Hagi, "part of Steven Gerrards' invincibles at Rangers". Away and f**k off you utter p***k.
Had a few cans tonight? McCoist is a terrific co-commentator. If you're that upset by the fact he's a prod or a former Rangers player, you might consider looking a little closer to home for your doses and pricks.
I wonder how Scotland will mess it up this time
They're just not very good is how. Hungary looking far more the likelier to score.
Scotland just like Ireland pretty clueless. any hope of a goal is a set piece or a defensive mistake, absolutely zero creativity
Scotland don't look like scoring but Hungary are dirty. Not unlike the Uruguay game at Mexico 86.
OG their only chance!
Scotland had a breakaway there and it was as if they were wading through mud.
Look at previous 80's teams Scotland had and what's available now?
Shite!
Scottish fans booing a song made popular for sport venues by Karl Frampton's fights
The Scots just really hate Neil Diamond.
Quote from: ONeill on June 23, 2024, 09:02:06 PMThe Scots just really hate Neil Diamond.
Cause it's a Jewish singer...
I'll leave that there ;D
This game might make me re-assess my views on how good Germany looked.
The ref should just blow full time. 2 rubbish teams that have no business being anywhere near the knockout phase
Quote from: ONeill on June 23, 2024, 09:02:06 PMThe Scots just really hate Neil Diamond.
Quite right they are
Shades of Erikson in 2021 and hopefully the Hungarian player is Ok.
Stonewall penalty not given to Scotland what is the point of VAR.
Surely that was a penalty.
Looked a strong shout for a pen for Scotland. Not sure if he was maybe offside when the ball was played through but VAR didn't even warrant a ref check
This referee is going home after the group stages.
VAR is going home - What the f*** is it there for if that's not a penalty?
Was that peno even looked at?
The big fella Number 9 who came on for Hungary there looks like a fan who was taken from a pub just before the game.
Quote from: Nanderson on June 23, 2024, 09:38:30 PMLooked a strong shout for a pen for Scotland. Not sure if he was maybe offside when the ball was played through but VAR didn't even warrant a ref check
Does VAR not check all incidents like that?
Does the ref not have to initiate it?
Quote from: marty34 on June 23, 2024, 09:42:59 PMQuote from: Nanderson on June 23, 2024, 09:38:30 PMLooked a strong shout for a pen for Scotland. Not sure if he was maybe offside when the ball was played through but VAR didn't even warrant a ref check
Does VAR not check all incidents like that?
The only reason that couldn't have been given for is offside in the build up. Very easy to prove that with the new semi automated offside they are using but no sign of any pictures
Replay showed the Scot was pulling out of the defender's jersey.
VAR right not to intervene. Armstrong held jersey and jumped in front of defender. Defender was very clumsy and clearly made contact. Could argue it both ways so let the ref make the decision and get on with it. The way VAR should be.
Scotland with an interesting tactic of barely even attempting to win a must win game. They have been absolute garbage in the 3 group games.
Ffs.
Yeah wasn't sure it was a penalty.
Fcuk me that was just like watching many an Ireland game.
Hungary decided to finally play after 90 mins :o
Scotland had a couple of chances near the end and butchered them
That was the most Scotland ending ever.
You would have thought a nil nil suited both teams, an absolute shocker considering both needed to win
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 23, 2024, 09:00:51 PMLook at previous 80's teams Scotland had and what's available now?
Shite!
As I said..brilliant Scottish teams of bygone times were so much better.
Nothing standout on that squad
Hungary have to wait around until Wednesday night to see if they are in the second round .
Such a daft system. Nearly as bad as the GAA system
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 23, 2024, 09:57:52 PMFfs.
Yeah wasn't sure it was a penalty.
Get a new pair of glasses
Quote from: Hound on June 23, 2024, 09:56:17 PMVAR right not to intervene. Armstrong held jersey and jumped in front of defender. Defender was very clumsy and clearly made contact. Could argue it both ways so let the ref make the decision and get on with it. The way VAR should be.
Hungary player made contact before Armstrong grabbed the jersey. We'd be screaming for a penalty if it was Ireland in that position. Penalty for me.
Actually watching that back it's the knee on the calf. That's a cert of a penalty.
And yes it is such a Scotland thing to do :D
0-0 and 1-0 much of a muchness really.
Scotland always a big hard luck story going back a long time in major tournaments. Anyway good enough for them.. bottled the referendum..."to be a nation again"... aye rite 😏
Quote from: Hound on June 23, 2024, 09:56:17 PMVAR right not to intervene. Armstrong held jersey and jumped in front of defender. Defender was very clumsy and clearly made contact. Could argue it both ways so let the ref make the decision and get on with it. The way VAR should be.
Bbc all saying it was a certain penalty. They would be saying the opposite if the boot was on the other foot and Johnny Foreigner had jumped in front of a Scottish defender and dived while dragging the defender down.
Quote from: Hound on June 23, 2024, 09:56:17 PMVAR right not to intervene. Armstrong held jersey and jumped in front of defender. Defender was very clumsy and clearly made contact. Could argue it both ways so let the ref make the decision and get on with it. The way VAR should be.
FFS its a stonewall peno. The jersey pull comes after he was taken out at the knee. 2 poor teams but that's irrelevant. The ref and then VAR f**ked up tonight
Unless it's been given for offside against Armstrong in the build up. Does look tight there.
https://x.com/the_forty_four/status/1804977140686881186?s=46
Not a penalty at all. Armstrong for some reason does a bizarre skip away from the ball and sticks out his leg to get clipped. Then grabs defenders jersey and pulls him around. 100% looking for it when he was already in.
Why Gunn didn't get sent off is a much more controversial question. Keepers obliterating onrushing forwards who are completely blindsided is a growing issue in the game. Ederson in particular gets away with a few of them every year.
Attacker was looking for the contact. He wasn't in control of the ball. Tight call. Grabbing the jersey would not have helped as part of the VAR review. Attacker should have concentrated on the ball instead of jumping in the way of the defender.
I agree you could argue either way for the penalty, but VAR was dead right not to intervene. Let the ref ref when it's not clearcut.
He was looking but if you watch the replay it's the knee on the calf that does it for me. That is what takes him down.
Unlikely the big teams like Germany or Spain would have been denied that. Penalty all day.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 23, 2024, 10:25:06 PMHe was looking but if you watch the replay it's the knee on the calf that does it for me. That is what takes him down.
That's it. Armstrong was ahead and quite entitled to move where ever he wanted. He was taken out at the knee. Its a terrible decision
Quote from: straightred on June 23, 2024, 10:30:22 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on June 23, 2024, 10:25:06 PMHe was looking but if you watch the replay it's the knee on the calf that does it for me. That is what takes him down.
That's it. Armstrong was ahead and quite entitled to move where ever he wanted. He was taken out at the knee. Its a terrible decision
He can move wherever he wants. He can't stick his leg out seeking contact.
Quote from: Capt Pat on June 23, 2024, 10:14:38 PMQuote from: Hound on June 23, 2024, 09:56:17 PMVAR right not to intervene. Armstrong held jersey and jumped in front of defender. Defender was very clumsy and clearly made contact. Could argue it both ways so let the ref make the decision and get on with it. The way VAR should be.
Bbc all saying it was a certain penalty. They would be saying the opposite if the boot was on the other foot and Johnny Foreigner had jumped in front of a Scottish defender and dived while dragging the defender down.
it's a clear penalty, yes the BBC are obviously going to be biased towards Scotland but in this case they have a case. If it was Ireland, rte panel would be calling for a penalty and rightly so
I dunno, Shearer was talking shite saying because he's in front, he can do whatever he wants. If he wants to stop, he can stop etc. Nonsense. You can't body check people.
Definitely not a penalty.
I really enjoyed it. Technically not great but both went for it.
Quote from: gallsman on June 23, 2024, 10:32:08 PMQuote from: straightred on June 23, 2024, 10:30:22 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on June 23, 2024, 10:25:06 PMHe was looking but if you watch the replay it's the knee on the calf that does it for me. That is what takes him down.
That's it. Armstrong was ahead and quite entitled to move where ever he wanted. He was taken out at the knee. Its a terrible decision
He can move wherever he wants. He can't stick his leg out seeking contact.
The defender took him out by hitting him on the knee. Its so obvious
Quote from: Sheedy on June 23, 2024, 10:34:58 PMQuote from: Capt Pat on June 23, 2024, 10:14:38 PMQuote from: Hound on June 23, 2024, 09:56:17 PMVAR right not to intervene. Armstrong held jersey and jumped in front of defender. Defender was very clumsy and clearly made contact. Could argue it both ways so let the ref make the decision and get on with it. The way VAR should be.
Bbc all saying it was a certain penalty. They would be saying the opposite if the boot was on the other foot and Johnny Foreigner had jumped in front of a Scottish defender and dived while dragging the defender down.
it's a clear penalty, yes the BBC are obviously going to be biased towards Scotland but in this case they have a case. If it was Ireland, rte panel would be calling for a penalty and rightly so
My young lad was watching it with me.
His take on it - If it was anywhere else on the pitch, it'd be a free kick....lol.
He's watching too much football analysis.
Is the semi final draw being mapped out tomorrow also?
Quote from: ONeill on June 23, 2024, 10:49:45 PMDefinitely not a penalty.
I really enjoyed it. Technically not great but both went for it.
The last ten minutes were good, when they were both going for it. The rest was the worst game all tournament for me.
Poor quality game, bit of excitement near the end but not much else.
As clear a peno as you will likey see in the tournament, can't believe it wasn't given or didn't even seem like there was a var check.
it was 100% a penalty
It probably was a penalty but the kn0b should have got a shot away long before he was touched
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on June 24, 2024, 09:28:27 AMIt probably was a penalty but the kn0b should have got a shot away long before he was touched
The big jump/step to the left probably made the referee think that he initiated contact rather than the defender hence no penalty, but yes, just put your foot through it, you're a professional footballer FFS...
Hungary probably just the bit better on the attack and Scotland didn't threaten much even with so much possession.
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 24, 2024, 07:39:21 AMit was 100% a penalty
Don't know was it 100%. Scottish lad pulled the defender into him by the shirt and that caused the tumble as much as anything.
Scots didn't deserve to advance, brought nothing to the tournament.
Tierney celebrating winning a goal kick against Germany after about 3 mins said a lot in hindsight. Did very well to qualify but this is the problem with the expanded euros. There aren't enough good teams. Hungary are shite too.
The final 20 mins of the game were very entertaining after a pretty boring affair. It's a pity both sides didn't go for it earlier - could have been the game of the tournament so far.
I am reading that Varga was knocked unconscious and has several broken bones in his face.
Quote from: Gerard O'Neill on June 24, 2024, 11:46:56 AMThe final 20 mins of the game were very entertaining after a pretty boring affair. It's a pity both sides didn't go for it earlier - could have been the game of the tournament so far.
I am reading that Varga was knocked unconscious and has several broken bones in his face.
Who hit/bumped into him? I couldn't tell from the replays.
Quote from: Capt Pat on June 24, 2024, 06:19:48 PMQuote from: Gerard O'Neill on June 24, 2024, 11:46:56 AMThe final 20 mins of the game were very entertaining after a pretty boring affair. It's a pity both sides didn't go for it earlier - could have been the game of the tournament so far.
I am reading that Varga was knocked unconscious and has several broken bones in his face.
Who hit/bumped into him? I couldn't tell from the replays.
Goalkeeper
Modric quickly made up for that penalty miss.
Feel for Donnoruma there!
Delighted for Modric, what a player.
Italy could go out if they lose
They always seem to either go on to the final (or win it ), or go out in group stage. There doesn't seem to be any in between with them
For all the crying they doing in media draw opening up rightly for England.if top group tomorrow get a third placed team then Croatia/Switzerland in quarter finals.
Quote from: statto on June 24, 2024, 09:26:42 PMFor all the crying they doing in media draw opening up rightly for England.if top group tomorrow get a third placed team then Croatia/Switzerland in quarter finals.
Either could beat England.
Quote from: statto on June 24, 2024, 09:26:42 PMFor all the crying they doing in media draw opening up rightly for England.if top group tomorrow get a third placed team then Croatia/Switzerland in quarter finals.
Slip into another semi final then lose to first good team they meet as usual...
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 24, 2024, 09:35:02 PMQuote from: statto on June 24, 2024, 09:26:42 PMFor all the crying they doing in media draw opening up rightly for England.if top group tomorrow get a third placed team then Croatia/Switzerland in quarter finals.
Slip into another semi final then lose to first good team they meet as usual...
Fingers crossed.
Wow what a finish that is.
Quote from: statto on June 24, 2024, 09:26:42 PMFor all the crying they doing in media draw opening up rightly for England.if top group tomorrow get a third placed team then Croatia/Switzerland in quarter finals.
spoke too soon.
Quote from: square_ball on June 24, 2024, 09:57:00 PMWow what a finish that is.
Indeed and heartbreak for Croatia.
Some finish. Croatia not totally gone though are they?
Was there not 40 seconds left before that goal went it?
Was thinking that too.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 24, 2024, 09:57:49 PMSome finish. Croatia not totally gone though are they?
Only on 2 points. Not sure how they would go through on that.
Quote from: square_ball on June 24, 2024, 09:57:00 PMWow what a finish that is.
Poor defending leaving a man all on his own like that.
Czech Republic and Georgia need to be beat and Slovenia lose by 3 by England to go through I think. 3 x 3rd placed teams already have 3 points.
Quote from: jcpen on June 24, 2024, 09:59:19 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 24, 2024, 09:57:49 PMSome finish. Croatia not totally gone though are they?
Only on 2 points. Not sure how they would go through on that.
Commentators were saying they've still a slim chance I think
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 24, 2024, 09:57:49 PMSome finish. Croatia not totally gone though are they?
Turkey need to beat Slovakia
Portugal need to beat Georgia
England need to beat Slovenia by 3+
Otherwise they're out
Great goal and drama. Was leaning towards Croatia tho at same time there's little doubt their golden era is over, like Belgium I'd say
Think the goal difference is against Croatia as a third place finisher
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 24, 2024, 10:04:27 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 24, 2024, 09:57:49 PMSome finish. Croatia not totally gone though are they?
Turkey need to beat Slovakia
Portugal need to beat Georgia
England need to beat Slovenia by 3+
Otherwise they're out
Yeah knew they'd a chance albeit a slim one.
England bound to let them down.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 24, 2024, 09:58:21 PMWas there not 40 seconds left before that goal went it?
Croatia gone. Only on 2 pts. Will take a miracle.
A late goal like that is a killer. Take kick-off and ref blows it up. Crazy.
At 1-0, a team is always in with a chance. Look at Scotland.
Italy seem to find a way. Quality finish but Croatia defence was sucked left across the pitch and it left a big gap. But cracking finish all the same. He never broke stride. No keeper getting to that one.
(https://editorial.uefa.com/resources/028e-1b35851e649f-33cb069bacc2-1000/format/free1/third_place_article_20240624155208.jpeg?imwidth=988)
That table not great Bunker 😉
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on June 24, 2024, 10:57:14 PMThat table not great Bunker 😉
Yeah, thought that myself - And to make it worse it was on the official website....
Catchiest anthem?
I find myself whistling the Italian, German and Spanish ones
Italy Germany France
Flower of Scotland like Ally mccoist, a bit overrated? Or have I just heard it too much at this stage?
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 24, 2024, 11:39:12 PMCatchiest anthem?
I find myself whistling the Italian, German and Spanish ones
I never turn the sound on until the game starts. Depending on the commentary, I sometimes regret doing so.
Maybe one for your "three best songs by [anthems of teams in EURO 24]"?
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 24, 2024, 11:39:12 PMCatchiest anthem?
I find myself whistling the Italian, German and Spanish ones
Italy for me sang with great passion too by the players.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on June 25, 2024, 01:04:47 AMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 24, 2024, 11:39:12 PMCatchiest anthem?
I find myself whistling the Italian, German and Spanish ones
I never turn the sound on until the game starts. Depending on the commentary, I sometimes regret doing so.
Maybe one for your "three best songs by [anthems of teams in EURO 24]"?
Leave it with me ;)
Is the way lewandowski does a penalty run up legit? He stops about three times. Any wonder a keeper moves off his line.
Jesus christ, that draw has now opened up for England. France, Germany, Spain, Portugal all in the top half while England are in with Austria, Italy, belgium
Ralf Rangnick is some man.
Quote from: An Watcher on June 25, 2024, 07:57:46 PMJesus christ, that draw has now opened up for England. France, Germany, Spain, Portugal all in the top half while England are in with Austria, Italy, belgium
England aren't in with anyone yet, they have a game to play. Hopefully they feck it up tonight.
The way England are going they might be knocked out by Austria.
"At least he got a card for his birthday," says Rob Green as the Danish birthday boy picks up a yellow. You won't often get a chance like that as a co-commentator, but he was alive to the opportunity, Clive.
If Denmark can nick a goal , and England draw here , Denmark would top the group if I'm not mistaken
That means Germany v England
All 4 teams should be banned for 4 years for serving up this shite.
A better 11 finished than started. No creativity in that England team but Taa and palmer definitely an improvement.
No one will fear England. They were dreadful again.
Group C with just one win.
Quote from: jcpen on June 25, 2024, 09:54:41 PMNo one will fear England. They were dreadful again.
Handy side of the draw for them, though.
The one reason to keep Southgate is that England keep getting spawny draws under him. Always in the rubbish groups, will probably stumble all the way to the final again before playing a proper team
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on June 25, 2024, 09:57:49 PMQuote from: jcpen on June 25, 2024, 09:54:41 PMNo one will fear England. They were dreadful again.
Handy side of the draw for them, though.
Toughest next potential opponent is Netherlands. They're no big shakes , but neither are England. So hopefully that'll be them on the way home
They've managed to avoid France, Germany, Spain and Portugal though. Southgate is clearly a master strategist.
They will lose to the netherlands in the next round if they face them.
Slovenia are the 57th ranked team in the world England are fifth. They didn't make Slovenias best player Oblak make a decent save.
It could be the end for Southgate when this is all over.
Quality of games has nosedived the past few days, with the exception of the Dutch-Austrian game.
England absolute mince in that group only scoring 2 goals just like in Italia 90 yet they still reached the semis back then.
Based on the way the draw is, I think England will make the final despite how shit they have been for 3 games.
Quote from: clarshack on June 25, 2024, 10:22:59 PMEngland absolute mince in that group only scoring 2 goals just like in Italia 90 yet they still reached the semis back then.
was thinking that earlier myself,they did have a much tougher group then Dutch were European champions and one of Ireland's best sides ever playing for big clubs in England. Some of the basic mistakes tonight was absolutely shocking not being able to control the ball or complete a five yard pass.
Well, they still have Netherlands and Italy in their half of the draw. Neither look great, but they might have enough for Ingerland.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on June 25, 2024, 10:48:23 PMWell, they still have Netherlands and Italy in their half of the draw. Neither look great, but they might have enough for Ingerland.
England won't beat either.
I'd agree. But they might get to a penalty shootout against either. They've been better at those than they used to be.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on June 25, 2024, 11:23:42 PMI'd agree. But they might get to a penalty shootout against either. They've been better at those than they used to be.
Would love to know their secret!
Of the 4 teams that qualify in third place , is there a draw as to which team they play next?
England are due to play a 3rd place team , so how and when are their opponents decided?
I heard this morning that unless there is a mad result in the games today it is going to Holland for England.
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 26, 2024, 10:55:09 AMOf the 4 teams that qualify in third place , is there a draw as to which team they play next?
England are due to play a 3rd place team , so how and when are their opponents decided?
Not 100% with this but it's the top team of the 3rd place teams in your draw. Spain for example will play the top 3rd place team from groups A, D, E or F. They will not play a 3rd place team from groups B or C. Why is this the case, I don't know but I'm sure there's sone science behind it
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 26, 2024, 10:55:09 AMOf the 4 teams that qualify in third place , is there a draw as to which team they play next?
England are due to play a 3rd place team , so how and when are their opponents decided?
No it's pre-determined. It's just you'd need a PhD in quantum physics to work it out. Eng will play either Holland or the team that finishes 3rd in Belgium's group. At the moment that could be any of them. (From the BBC) Data Analysts Nielsen Gracenote have the likelihood of England's opponents as:
61% Netherlands
16% Slovakia
11% Ukraine
8% Romania
4% Belgium
Holland haven't been up to much, but they're a more attacking side than most, so it should be a more open game. They are always able to throw on big Weghorst in the last 10 if they need a goal.
So England are due to meet the best 3rd placed team in groups D, E or F. Holland currently occupy that spot as they have the most points of those 3.
Group F has Turkey and Czechs I think it is and a 3rd place team cannot finish with 4 points to better the Dutch.
That leaves the group with Belgium. I fancy them to win which will leave them with 6 points and probably top of the group. Their opponents the Ukraine coukd finish bottom or 3rd on 3 points. The tricky bit is if the other game is a draw. 2nd and 3rd would have 4 pts, the same number as the Dutch. Then I think it's goal difference. The Dutch goal difference is zero. Complicating things further the 3rd place team here coukd also be zero.
I'll leave it at that but in a sick way, I enjoy that sh1t
Southgate faces a few big decisions but he hasn't shown the toy dolls to do that to date.
He needs to drop Bellingham and Kane, stick Foden in centrally with Watkins, Gordon out on the left and Palmer on the right for Sakha.
Maino will indeed start the next game and rightly so alongside Rice.
Trippier is dodgy enough but the other three at the back have held their own to date.
Romania and Slovakia draw, they both get through. Watch out for a bit of Tom fullery
Oh, hadn't realized that. I guess I'll watch Lukaku Vs. VAR so.
Quote from: johnnycool on June 26, 2024, 01:36:42 PMSouthgate faces a few big decisions but he hasn't shown the toy dolls to do that to date.
He needs to drop Bellingham and Kane, stick Foden in centrally with Watkins, Gordon out on the left and Palmer on the right for Sakha.
Maino will indeed start the next game and rightly so alongside Rice.
Trippier is dodgy enough but the other three at the back have held their own to date.
Would rather Southgate went with this team if shaw doesn't get fit.
Pickford
Walker/Trent
Stones
Guehi
Saka
Rice
Bellingham
Palmer
Foden
Gordon
Kane/Watkins
Foden away home for birth of child southgates hand come be forced inadvertently to play Gordon.
England are stumbling along, have a lucky enough draw so I doubt they'll change much. Yesterday was the time for changing it up and trying something different but he backed out.
Despite the backlash from some fans, it's a results business, and once they keep progressing the narrative will suit accordingly. The stars do seem to be aligning for them as far as path difficulty goes, and if they can up it a bit, a lot of the hard work will be done for them other side of the draw. And who knows, they might get "lucky" with injury and be forced into a system that actually ignites a spark for them. I wouldn't rule out the olde knighthood yet for mr boring.
Quote from: An Watcher on June 26, 2024, 04:31:59 PMRomania and Slovakia draw, they both get through. Watch out for a bit of Tom fullery
Surprisingly, both teams going for it.
Belgium wearing a strip in homage to Tin Tin apparently .
Scotland should design one in homage to Rab C Nesbitt. They certainly played like him in the group stage
Quote from: statto on June 26, 2024, 04:56:05 PMFoden away home for birth of child southgates hand come be forced inadvertently to play Gordon.
From what I've seen of Gordon I'm not convinced he's anything other than ordinary
Belgium are as bad as England
That group was as tight as it get all 4 teams finish on 4 points.
Hard on Ukraine, they can't catch a break.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on June 26, 2024, 06:56:51 PMHard on Ukraine, they can't catch a break.
Sure they won Eurovision last year...
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 26, 2024, 05:45:58 PMQuote from: statto on June 26, 2024, 04:56:05 PMFoden away home for birth of child southgates hand come be forced inadvertently to play Gordon.
From what I've seen of Gordon I'm not convinced he's anything other than ordinary
He's had a very good season and stretches the game likes to run in behind Foden and kane come towards the ball and makes them very predictable. Foden has been awful as well.
Looking like Slovakia for England. I think they are certs for the final.
Little Georgia through to the knock out stages and then think of all the excuses used for the Irish team not even qualifying.
They played fantastic and were great to watch too.
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England won't beat Italy
Anyone want to call the final pairing now?
Portugal v Austria
Austria to win. Why not
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 26, 2024, 10:16:45 PMEngland won't beat Italy
Italy might not beat Switzerland!
Could be a few tasty outside bets on that right hand side of the draw.
That Cze-Tur game was absolutely mental. A great watch.
Italy are poor enough too. That side of the group is very open. I know people are worried about England but they are a poor team unless something drastic changes. The manager will pick the wrong team unless injuries force his hand to pick the right one.
Still no huge tussles in store Fra Bel the biggest on paper but Bel a shadow of their former selves.
Few big quarters potentially and interesting to see how Austria and Georgia get on now she's knockout
4 soccer and gaelic quarters over the weekend. And Glasto. Gona be great 🤓
Quote from: Pub Bore on June 26, 2024, 11:11:46 AMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 26, 2024, 10:55:09 AMOf the 4 teams that qualify in third place , is there a draw as to which team they play next?
England are due to play a 3rd place team , so how and when are their opponents decided?
No it's pre-determined. It's just you'd need a PhD in quantum physics to work it out. Eng will play either Holland or the team that finishes 3rd in Belgium's group. At the moment that could be any of them. (From the BBC) Data Analysts Nielsen Gracenote have the likelihood of England's opponents as:
61% Netherlands
16% Slovakia
11% Ukraine
8% Romania
4% Belgium
Holland haven't been up to much, but they're a more attacking side than most, so it should be a more open game. They are always able to throw on big Weghorst in the last 10 if they need a goal.
No PhD in Quantum Physics needed...see the table in this link that spells it out clearly
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2024_knockout_stage
If I had that PhD, I might be able to copy and paste the table, but I can't...can someone do that for us?
It was pre-ordained that if the third place qualifiers were from Groups C, D, E and F, the fixtures would be 1B v 3F, 1C v 3E, 1E v 3D, and 1F v 3C.
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 26, 2024, 10:31:23 PMAnyone want to call the final pairing now?
Portugal v Austria
Austria to win. Why not
Germany v Austria - Germany win AET.
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on June 26, 2024, 11:09:15 PMQuote from: Pub Bore on June 26, 2024, 11:11:46 AMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 26, 2024, 10:55:09 AMOf the 4 teams that qualify in third place , is there a draw as to which team they play next?
England are due to play a 3rd place team , so how and when are their opponents decided?
No it's pre-determined. It's just you'd need a PhD in quantum physics to work it out. Eng will play either Holland or the team that finishes 3rd in Belgium's group. At the moment that could be any of them. (From the BBC) Data Analysts Nielsen Gracenote have the likelihood of England's opponents as:
61% Netherlands
16% Slovakia
11% Ukraine
8% Romania
4% Belgium
Holland haven't been up to much, but they're a more attacking side than most, so it should be a more open game. They are always able to throw on big Weghorst in the last 10 if they need a goal.
No PhD in Quantum Physics needed...see the table in this link that spells it out clearly
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2024_knockout_stage
If I had that PhD, I might be able to copy and paste the table, but I can't...can someone do that for us?
It was pre-ordained that if the third place qualifiers were from Groups C, D, E and F, the fixtures would be 1B v 3F, 1C v 3E, 1E v 3D, and 1F v 3C.
Mod, thanks for this. Good link here also
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cyddrvlg3j9o.amp
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They couldn't have expected a better draw. Clear favourite to reach final if their luck holds.
They're on the handy side of it, but I wouldn't be surprised if they lost their next game. And either Italy or Netherlands (or whoever beats them) would probably have too much for them.
On the plus side, if they did reach the final against, say, Spain, they would get obliterated, so that might be fun.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on June 28, 2024, 12:28:46 AMThey're on the handy side of it, but I wouldn't be surprised if they lost their next game. And either Italy or Netherlands (or whoever beats them) would probably have too much for them.
On the plus side, if they did reach the final against, say, Spain, they would get obliterated, so that might be fun.
They've conceded one goal so far even with an unbalanced defence and yes they really haven't played anyone of note to punish that weakness so if they're going to get put out it'll be by one goal to nil or penalties.
Quote from: johnnycool on June 28, 2024, 09:29:36 AMQuote from: Jell 0 Biafra on June 28, 2024, 12:28:46 AMThey're on the handy side of it, but I wouldn't be surprised if they lost their next game. And either Italy or Netherlands (or whoever beats them) would probably have too much for them.
On the plus side, if they did reach the final against, say, Spain, they would get obliterated, so that might be fun.
They've conceded one goal so far even with an unbalanced defence and yes they really haven't played anyone of note to punish that weakness so if they're going to get put out it'll be by one goal to nil or penalties.
Tournament football ;) is all about the result not manner of win. Plenty of flair teams over the years never won the tournaments, that Brazilian team of years ago were outstanding, beat by Italy!
Quote from: johnnycool on June 28, 2024, 09:29:36 AMQuote from: Jell 0 Biafra on June 28, 2024, 12:28:46 AMThey're on the handy side of it, but I wouldn't be surprised if they lost their next game. And either Italy or Netherlands (or whoever beats them) would probably have too much for them.
On the plus side, if they did reach the final against, say, Spain, they would get obliterated, so that might be fun.
They've conceded one goal so far even with an unbalanced defence and yes they really haven't played anyone of note to punish that weakness so if they're going to get put out it'll be by one goal to nil or penalties.
Did you see the heat maps of average positions when they led against Denmark? Harry Kane was at left back moat of the time. Pure negative muck that won't get near the good teams.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 28, 2024, 09:42:20 AMQuote from: johnnycool on June 28, 2024, 09:29:36 AMQuote from: Jell 0 Biafra on June 28, 2024, 12:28:46 AMThey're on the handy side of it, but I wouldn't be surprised if they lost their next game. And either Italy or Netherlands (or whoever beats them) would probably have too much for them.
On the plus side, if they did reach the final against, say, Spain, they would get obliterated, so that might be fun.
They've conceded one goal so far even with an unbalanced defence and yes they really haven't played anyone of note to punish that weakness so if they're going to get put out it'll be by one goal to nil or penalties.
Tournament football ;) is all about the result not manner of win. Plenty of flair teams over the years never won the tournaments, that Brazilian team of years ago were outstanding, beat by Italy!
Zico, Junior and the boys, the best team ever, but as you say couldn't defend if their life depended on it.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 28, 2024, 09:47:04 AMQuote from: johnnycool on June 28, 2024, 09:29:36 AMQuote from: Jell 0 Biafra on June 28, 2024, 12:28:46 AMThey're on the handy side of it, but I wouldn't be surprised if they lost their next game. And either Italy or Netherlands (or whoever beats them) would probably have too much for them.
On the plus side, if they did reach the final against, say, Spain, they would get obliterated, so that might be fun.
They've conceded one goal so far even with an unbalanced defence and yes they really haven't played anyone of note to punish that weakness so if they're going to get put out it'll be by one goal to nil or penalties.
Did you see the heat maps of average positions when they led against Denmark? Harry Kane was at left back moat of the time. Pure negative muck that won't get near the good teams.
Unfortunately the good teams are on the other side of the draw so they won't have to worry about meeting one to the final.
Of course an average team might put them out, or might not. I wouldn't be putting too much money on the likes of Italy or Holland to do a job. Italy are young and low on quality. They have a tradition of growing into tournaments but I have my doubts with this lot. Holland, again, could do something if they click but again plenty of question marks over them.
Austria look a decent team but are in unfamiliar territory and will have their own pressures to deal with.
So regardless of England's form, they will be clear favourites in their next three games, if they progress that is, and for good reason.
Switzerland worth a punt at this stage? They've italy, probably England then maybe austria
Quote from: An Watcher on June 28, 2024, 10:43:06 AMSwitzerland worth a punt at this stage? They've italy, probably England then maybe austria
Austria have been impressive to date it has to be said.
Quote from: An Watcher on June 28, 2024, 10:43:06 AMSwitzerland worth a punt at this stage? They've italy, probably England then maybe austria
Decent bet in a one off game but can't see them going on a run.
Ecstasy to devastation in a few minutes for Denmark, surely can't recover from that
I can't listen to Clive Tydesley anymore. How long was he been waiting to use the line "It's Orange Juice time.Time to rip it up and start again" as regards hand ball rule in box. And that useful idiot McCoist beside him. It's worse than pathetic. f**king w**ker.
Don't know why anyone watches BBC or ITV coverage over RTE. Not saying RTE is brilliant but you don't have to listen to half the drivel
Quote from: An Watcher on June 29, 2024, 09:48:38 PMDon't know why anyone watches BBC or ITV coverage over RTE. Not saying RTE is brilliant but you don't have to listen to half the drivel
Nordie with shit signal (even in 2024) and the free staters block me from using the App for some reason
Quote from: red hander on June 29, 2024, 09:44:37 PMI can't listen to Clive Tydesley anymore. How long was he been waiting to use the line "It's Orange Juice time.Time to rip it up and start again" as regards hand ball rule in box. And that useful idiot McCoist beside him. It's worse than pathetic. f**king w**ker.
Yup. Overrated. Timing of departure weird but other than that couldn't give a shiny shite
"Absolutely" mccoist annoying me more and more lol
Quote from: red hander on June 29, 2024, 09:44:37 PMI can't listen to Clive Tydesley anymore. How long was he been waiting to use the line "It's Orange Juice time.Time to rip it up and start again" as regards hand ball rule in box. And that useful idiot McCoist beside him. It's worse than pathetic. f**king w**ker.
Did they mention Stevie G's invincibles again? :'(
Quote from: gallsman on June 22, 2024, 10:56:56 PMQuote from: red hander on June 22, 2024, 09:54:27 PMClive Tyldesley on ITV, what a f**king dose with McCoist licking his hole. Hagi, "part of Steven Gerrards' invincibles at Rangers". Away and f**k off you utter p***k.
Had a few cans tonight? McCoist is a terrific co-commentator. If you're that upset by the fact he's a prod or a former Rangers player, you might consider looking a little closer to home for your doses and pricks.
Only seeing this now, cos you're such a boring tosser. No, bottles, don't drink cans generally. In what f**king universe is McCoist a 'terrific' co-commentator? Just a repetitive, boring bastard. I never mentioned religion, you did.
Quote from: red hander on June 29, 2024, 09:44:37 PMI can't listen to Clive Tydesley anymore. How long was he been waiting to use the line "It's Orange Juice time.Time to rip it up and start again" as regards hand ball rule in box. And that useful idiot McCoist beside him. It's worse than pathetic. f**king w**ker.
"He couldn't quite grow enough" one of the most annoying go-to lines used to describe a player who hasn't made a header as the cross was a foot too high
Do the RTE commentators realise most of their viewers want England to lose?
England defence all over place here.Guehi gone for next round too if get there.
Slovakia opening up England for fun. Shame Maguire wasnt on to smack some of those crosses into his own net
In qualifying group games for these tournaments England usually smash these type teams
The ref is slightly biased I think ;D
Every time I look at Stones now I see Tony Adams
Devastation in the rte commentary box as Slovakia score but will it stand?
In Cleary's waiting for the train.
Safe to say our fellow Gaels don't links the Englanders.
Slovakia will knock in another one I think, they'll not sit back and England have to come out and play
Nearly backed them.. 8/1!
Quote from: Itchy on June 30, 2024, 05:27:37 PMDevastation in the rte commentary box as Slovakia score but will it stand?
Whelan actually said "we" at one stage when talking about England ;D
Ronnie heading down to the English dressing room now to rally the troops.
It could be easily more. Don't like the way Slovakia are giving away pointless free kicks. England have offered nothing but giving them a stupid free kick could let them back in
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on June 30, 2024, 05:56:14 PMIt could be easily more. Don't like the way Slovakia are given away pointless free kicks. England have offered nothing but giving them a stupid free kick could let them back in
Slovakia losing courage to go play and dropping deep will likely let England back into it. If they go to try play they could get a 2nd here. Unfortunately I think more likely to be the former
Quote from: statto on June 30, 2024, 05:13:47 PMEngland defence all over place here.Guehi gone for next round too if get there.
I don't think he has too much to worry about.
Quote from: jcpen on June 30, 2024, 05:29:36 PMQuote from: Itchy on June 30, 2024, 05:27:37 PMDevastation in the rte commentary box as Slovakia score but will it stand?
Whelan actually said "we" at one stage when talking about England ;D
Two pundits pronounced Conor Gallagher the other night as Gall-ig-ger. Shay Given was one. Gallagher probably one of the most common surnames in Donegal! Only Kevin Doyle pronounced it correctly ::)
Southgate taken to 65 mins to make a change poor management.
I don't recall ever having watched Bellingham and seeing him play well. Yet I seen him named as a Ballon Dor contender a few months back.
He's still very young and I don't know if he's over hyped but he's nowhere near world class level on the performances I've seen anyway.
Quote from: statto on June 30, 2024, 06:24:36 PMSouthgate taken to 65 mins to make a change poor management.
Probably told the lads at half time, you got yourselves into this mess, you need to get yourselves out of it!
The problem English managers have is they listen to the pundits and media!
Someone asked last night why watch ITV etc, the commentators meltdown tonight is hilarious
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 30, 2024, 06:27:46 PMQuote from: statto on June 30, 2024, 06:24:36 PMSouthgate taken to 65 mins to make a change poor management.
Probably told the lads at half time, you got yourselves into this mess, you need to get yourselves out of it!
The problem English managers have is they listen to the pundits and media!
What a fantastic managerial style.
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 30, 2024, 06:40:33 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on June 30, 2024, 06:27:46 PMQuote from: statto on June 30, 2024, 06:24:36 PMSouthgate taken to 65 mins to make a change poor management.
Probably told the lads at half time, you got yourselves into this mess, you need to get yourselves out of it!
The problem English managers have is they listen to the pundits and media!
What a fantastic managerial style.
It's not but looks like he's done just yhat
Saka put to LB.. Social Media managing England these days. Bellingham looks terrible more I watch off him
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 30, 2024, 06:40:33 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on June 30, 2024, 06:27:46 PMQuote from: statto on June 30, 2024, 06:24:36 PMSouthgate taken to 65 mins to make a change poor management.
Probably told the lads at half time, you got yourselves into this mess, you need to get yourselves out of it!
The problem English managers have is they listen to the pundits and media!
What a fantastic managerial style.
That's what Jack told the lads when it was nil nil at half time against lichenstein. Houghton and the rest were like we need a bit more than that FFS, it was the beginning of the end of the big man's era
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 30, 2024, 06:27:46 PMQuote from: statto on June 30, 2024, 06:24:36 PMSouthgate taken to 65 mins to make a change poor management.
Probably told the lads at half time, you got yourselves into this mess, you need to get yourselves out of it!
The problem English managers have is they listen to the pundits and media!
Don't know if that completely true, there have been lots of calls for Foden to play centrally, Palmer to start and play more offensively but that hasn't happened.
Bastards
Quote from: Mourne Red on June 30, 2024, 06:43:55 PMSaka put to LB.. Social Media managing England these days. Bellingham looks terrible more I watch off him
Not commenting until after games from now on
Nice finish if England go on to win this match now they'll wonder if their name is on the trophy?
Lucky lucky bastids.
Shambles of a team
They'll win the tourno now 😜
Slovakia are w@nkers just sat back inviting attack after attack
Ah there's a chance they'll get to penalties and then they'll lose anyway
Did big Ivan get the nod on from the throw in?
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on June 30, 2024, 06:57:07 PMSlovakia are w@nkers just sat back inviting attack after attack
The way they played in the first 30 minutes there was a 2nd goal there for them. Invited the pressure as you say. It was a hell of a finish by Bellingham. They'll go on and win it now.
They might not win this match never mind the Euros. Too many big egos and no cohesion. Would like to see this go to penalties now just for the drama.
Jammy jammy b×××××××s!!
Slovakia are spent. Best hope is if Slovakia can take it to pens and win
Nothing jammy about that goal to be fair. Spectacular finish.
Over
Confirms my thinking, Southgates a genius
Slovakia fucked themselves. Scored then decided to absorb pressure to the point where they could hardly run!
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 30, 2024, 07:12:18 PMSlovakia fucked themselves. Scored then decided to absorb pressure to the point where they could hardly run!
Boy up the right just before had to either go for the corner flag or the man in 20 yards of space behind him. Instead managed to turn and kick it out over the sideline.
Saka is an embarrassment for diving.
Quote from: gallsman on June 30, 2024, 07:14:13 PMQuote from: Tony Baloney on June 30, 2024, 07:12:18 PMSlovakia fucked themselves. Scored then decided to absorb pressure to the point where they could hardly run!
Boy up the right just before had to either go for the corner flag or the man in 20 yards of space behind him. Instead managed to turn and kick it out over the sideline.
That was a scandalous effort. Go to the corner and you win a throw in or corner and eat up even more time instead the twit kicks it straight out. They just missed an absolute sitter there too. Southgate is seriously shit but also seriously lucky
Switzerland will beat them
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 30, 2024, 07:01:55 PMJammy jammy b×××××××s!!
Slovakia are spent. Best hope is if Slovakia can take it to pens and win
They march on and singing sweet caroline to annoy you further now ;D
I blame the bloke who couldn't lob Pickford from 40 yards
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on June 30, 2024, 07:42:05 PMI blame the bloke who couldn't lob Pickford from 40 yards
It sounds ridiculous but he actually should have scored it.
Absolutely he should have.
Oh well, at least we can look forward to England taking it up the Swiss.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 30, 2024, 07:41:22 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 30, 2024, 07:01:55 PMJammy jammy b×××××××s!!
Slovakia are spent. Best hope is if Slovakia can take it to pens and win
They march on and singing sweet caroline to annoy you further now ;D
Aye that put the fecking tin hat on things! >:(
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 30, 2024, 07:16:36 PMSaka is an embarrassment for diving.
Bit of respect please for England's no1 left back
Most 20 year olds are going to struggle for consistency, especially given the number of games Bellingham has played this season. You don't be the main man for Real Madrid if you are useless.
https://x.com/tjfrancislive/status/1807475583183421636?
Southgate must watch Spain and think WTF
Quote from: bennydorano on June 30, 2024, 09:34:27 PMSouthgate must watch Spain and think WTF
With the draw though they won't meet to the final & Spain will have to navigate two tough games to even get there
Watching Spain play after the England match was like watching Brazil 1970s team. England are so poor and over hyped (nothing new there) its unreal.
Hopefully they will continue to jam their way to the final somehow, then lose and just replace Southgate with Lee Carsely to continue the cycle. God forbid they would go all out to get a top manager like Klopp or similar to get the best out of their squad. Although its hard to see how the Swizz don't send them packing.
A total soap opera, compelling to watch just because its so shite
It would have been hilarious had they gone out
But alas their stay of execution only provides a follow-on opportunity to laugh very hard
If they played decent football and were a genuine contender I wouldn't give a shite
Its the poetic brilliance of it all, full blown English exceptionalism mixed in equal parts with delusion and a verbal diarrhoea tour de force
G Nev, a man caught like a rabbit in the headlights at Valencia, who was part of Roy Hodgsons ticket 8 years ago that got pumped by Iceland, finally ran out of shite to say last night and had to pluck a line from the Rio Ferdinand book of quotes 'Trent not playing on this team is illegal' whatever the f**k that means, but they just keep saying it!
England are the Mayo of international football, only Harry Kane in a pair of budgie smugglers in a glossy magazine on the eve of the final would surpass the twilight zone they have found themselves in yet again
Quote from: bennydorano on June 30, 2024, 09:34:27 PMSouthgate must watch Spain and think WTF
He should make the team watch it and critique it.
Quote from: tiempo on July 01, 2024, 10:29:31 AMEngland are the Mayo of international football.
Nah, Mayo have a modest infrastructure. A small population for a large county. And a huge level of immigration. If we don't get excited by our county doing well, well what's the point of all this football stuff?
Football should always be about the build up. Enjoying the moment.
Quote from: Denn Forever on July 01, 2024, 10:33:50 AMQuote from: bennydorano on June 30, 2024, 09:34:27 PMSouthgate must watch Spain and think WTF
He should make the team watch it and critique it.
Ask what the value of Rodri is to both Spain and City, England may rant and rave about Rice, but he's a poor man's Rodri.
Foden and Stones are half the players without Rodri, Walker is even less than that as his brain is in his díck.
Quote from: johnnycool on July 01, 2024, 02:24:50 PMQuote from: Denn Forever on July 01, 2024, 10:33:50 AMQuote from: bennydorano on June 30, 2024, 09:34:27 PMSouthgate must watch Spain and think WTF
He should make the team watch it and critique it.
Ask what the value of Rodri is to both Spain and City, England may rant and rave about Rice, but he's a poor man's Rodri.
Foden and Stones are half the players without Rodri, Walker is even less than that as his brain is in his díck.
If TAA was caught out as badly as Walker positionally in that first half social media would have had a complete meltdown.
Would agree Rodri is immense and well ahead of Rice.
Is Rice an upgrade on Henderson or even Phillips? Very very ordinary in an England shirt
He's much better than Phillips but he's not even lose to Rodri. Rice instrumental in a very good arsenal team. Philips was a disaster at west ham. Henderson not fantastic but achieved plenty too.
The reckoning from what I have read is that Bellingham is the problem and just never holds position and that leaves the rest of them in a bad position and also Rice playing a very different role to the one he does at Arsenal and one that maybe doesn't suit him so much.
Walker is quick at recovering when caught out of position but offers absolutely nothing else. Man can't even run with the ball.
France like Portugal 2016. Awful to watch, but will be hard beaten.
The Euros is like the senior football championship - in general not too exciting.
I agree. Another turgid match. I find sport is becoming more and more of a turn off because of the lack of physical contact and the constant diving
The anticipation of four quarters in the Gaa and soccer has been in no way matched by the quality or excitement on show. Turgid by and large
Some of the second tier teams have been the most exciting to watch. Apart from England obviously 😏
France v Belgium was a borefest. Hopefully Portugal v Slovenia will have a few decent goals.
Another dull game.. And as a Nordie it's not helped by having Martin Keown on commentary
I thought it was an enjoyable enough first half.
I fell asleep.
Who is the Ronaldo fella roaring at, does he think some invisible man in the sky is watching tonight's match?
Ronaldo offers nothing to Portugal. He spent the quarter of the game falling here falling there looking for frees. He can't make the through run, he's reduced to flicks and trick passes in possession and he just now a Duncan Ferguson type player in the team looking to get own the end of crosses with his head! Adds nothing to the Portugal dynamic.
I don't think Martinez has the guts to drop Ronaldo
He can produce the odd bit of magic but it's all too rare, especially when these games are so tight and a goal could be enough to win a game
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 01, 2024, 08:51:08 PMWho is the Ronaldo fella roaring at, does he think some invisible man in the sky is watching tonight's match?
I've said it as years he's looking for himself on the big screen. I've never seen as big an ego. Misses a chance does bit of roaring so the cameras go to him. Tireseome. Me me me
Basically messi >>>>>>>>>>> cr9 🤝🤓
I actually think Ronaldo's movement is good and he's n good positions more often than not.. Too many egos on that Portugal team that think they're the main man and don't pass it into him
I think BBC half-time lads said Ronaldo has only scored 1 in 42 attempts (??) from free kicks with Portugal.
Mad really.
0-3 scored for Ronaldo now? points scored off the ground is dying art nowadays.
60 career Portugal frees at major tournaments for Ronaldo.
1 goal.
Comical stuff watching the facial expressions of Ronaldo during the match. He'll probably pop up and score a penalty or a header now and loads will herald him as the greatest again but he offers very little in general play.
I'd say the likes of Leao not happy being took off before Ronaldo at his age
Silva and Fernandes shadows of themselves
Pretty dire yet again
Goes to pens big Oblak be happy enough
Renaldo is older than the Taoiseach, FFS.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 01, 2024, 10:00:50 PMRenaldo is older than the Taoiseach, FFS.
A lot less of a p***k though. Haven't seen much of this but commentators are tearing into Ronaldo.
Think I'll stick a pint on Ronaldo to score or assist 13/5
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 01, 2024, 10:04:41 PMThink I'll stick a pint on Ronaldo to score or assist 13/5
Mystic Meg.. Pen to Portugal he'll no doubt take
Chance now for Ronaldo to score from a penalty. And he doesn't, a good save
Ohh f**k.. he'll be subbed off now
Delighted 😁
Ronaldo has lost it, crying with still extra time to be played.
Can't last remember when a player was literally tearing up within a match, crazy stuff.
One of the strangest things I've seen, Momentum with Slovenia now you'd think
Crying for himself. Ego dripping out of him. Cudnt imagine Messi going on like that
Quote from: yellowcard on July 01, 2024, 10:19:07 PMCan't last remember when a player was literally tearing up within a match, crazy stuff.
Gazza Italia 90 comes to mind but not the same as your near 40 year old captain doing it.
Slovenia will win on penalties if it comes down to it.
Quote from: Turf on July 01, 2024, 10:21:55 PMQuote from: yellowcard on July 01, 2024, 10:19:07 PMCan't last remember when a player was literally tearing up within a match, crazy stuff.
Gazza Italia 90 comes to mind but not the same as your near 40 year old captain doing it.
Gazza had the mentality of a child which was a pity as he was a special talent.
Roberto Martinez one of the few managers on the planet who makes Southgate look good ;D
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on July 01, 2024, 10:25:57 PMRoberto Martinez one of the few managers on the planet who makes Southgate look good ;D
How he's had Belgiums golden generation of Talent and now Portugals after stinking out the Prem with Wigan/Everton for years is one of life's mysteries
I wonder will he take the first penalty..
Think he dodged it last time. Wanted to hit the winner
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 01, 2024, 10:23:48 PMSlovenia will win on penalties if it comes down to it.
I think so too
Sesko, you useless bastard.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 01, 2024, 10:32:08 PMI wonder will he take the first penalty..
Think he dodged it last time. Wanted to hit the winner
id imagine be same.
Jesus Oblak was close
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 01, 2024, 10:32:08 PMI wonder will he take the first penalty..
Think he dodged it last time. Wanted to hit the winner
He did and well taken one this time. Porto keeper is winning this match for Portugal.
Some penalty from ronaldo
Slovenia good at penalties ;D
Costa adding a few million onto his already heavy price tag.. Never seen first 3 pens missed
Even Armagh would beat Slovenia in a penalty shootout.
Portugal great squad but wouldn't want them winning it Ronaldo, Bruno, Bernardo and Pepe tough squad to get behind.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 01, 2024, 10:43:23 PMEven Armagh would beat Slovenia in a penalty shootout.
England wouldn't though ;D
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 01, 2024, 10:42:29 PMCosta adding a few million onto his already heavy price tag.. Never seen first 3 pens missed
Barcelona v Steau Bucharest European cup final 1986. Steau won 2-0.
Don't think I've seen straight pens missed like that before.
Some boy's disappointed ;D
Anti climax of a shoot out but some great saves by the Portuguese keeper.
The game was mostly all about Ronaldos antics and facial expressions though, box office and the dream lives on for another match.
Quote from: statto on July 01, 2024, 10:44:13 PMPortugal great squad but wouldn't want them winning it Ronaldo, Bruno, Bernardo and Pepe tough squad to get behind.
You got me at Ronaldo.
Never doubted Portugal there to be honest
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 01, 2024, 10:28:57 PMQuote from: JPGJOHNNYG on July 01, 2024, 10:25:57 PMRoberto Martinez one of the few managers on the planet who makes Southgate look good ;D
How he's had Belgiums golden generation of Talent and now Portugals after stinking out the Prem with Wigan/Everton for years is one of life's mysteries
Yeah, how the heck did he get them gigs with Belgium and Portugal.....after being with Wigan and Everton?
Is it just me or has the Euros been a bit shit? No stand out teams so far and despite some top players involved no one has been really outstanding.
Quote from: square_ball on July 01, 2024, 11:04:42 PMIs it just me or has the Euros been a bit shit? No stand out teams so far and despite some top players involved no one has been really outstanding.
Spain?
The Champions League is where it is at. The top players play the n the CL. Players of mixed ability represent their country. Clubs can buy a decent Striker, left back or goalkeeper to solve their problems. At international level you can't do that. You have to make do with what is available or find a work around.
There is a lowering tide at international level and this has filtered from the top teams down to the lesser lights (ROI).
Bar the England group games and France/Belguim most games have been entertaining.
Quote from: square_ball on July 01, 2024, 11:04:42 PMIs it just me or has the Euros been a bit shit? No stand out teams so far and despite some top players involved no one has been really outstanding.
A competition to find out who's the best of average lot and why England still can't be ruled out.
No stand out teams; Spain look good but probably lose to Germany. Portugal, England, France for all the talent look average enough.
Some save from Oblak on Ronaldos penalty- his one in the shootout was as close to unsaveable as you'll get. Pepe and Ronaldo owe Costa one big time- unreal from him making that 1v1 save and then to save first 3 penalties has it ever been done?
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 01, 2024, 11:23:14 PMQuote from: square_ball on July 01, 2024, 11:04:42 PMIs it just me or has the Euros been a bit shit? No stand out teams so far and despite some top players involved no one has been really outstanding.
A competition to find out who's the best of average lot and why England still can't be ruled out.
I'd definitely not rule out England based on what I've seen. Remember Greece!
When the dust settles you have Spain, Germany, England, France, Portugal all in the quarter finals..
Italy been the biggest disappointment and Belgium to a degree, they'd have been still in had they won their group.
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 01, 2024, 11:30:31 PMSome save from Oblak on Ronaldos penalty- his one in the shootout was as close to unsaveable as you'll get. Pepe and Ronaldo owe Costa one big time- unreal from him making that 1v1 save and then to save first 3 penalties has it ever been done?
Pepe hugged and hugged Costa after the Penalties. He dug him out this evening.
It has to be said that when Portugal won the Euro's in 2016 that Ronaldo also stunk the place out and Portugal only pushed on when he was out of the team due to injury.
Martinez will be hoping for something similar as he hasn't the balls to drop him.
Slovenia had their chances to win that game outright before it got to penalties but they've given everyone a template on how to beat Portugal, isolate Pepe and make him run towards his own goal.
Costa in goals was something else all the same.
Quote from: johnnycool on July 02, 2024, 08:15:05 AMIt has to be said that when Portugal won the Euro's in 2016 that Ronaldo also stunk the place out and Portugal only pushed on when he was out of the team due to injury.
Martinez will be hoping for something similar as he hasn't the balls to drop him.
Slovenia had their chances to win that game outright before it got to penalties but they've given everyone a template on how to beat Portugal, isolate Pepe and make him run towards his own goal.
Costa in goals was something else all the same.
There is no doubt that he is more of a hinderance than a benefit, that's obvious, he's actually trying to hard.
That said he had 4 or more shots on target in that game, his penalty save in extra time was superb, that ball was hitting the inside netting, in fact it was saved and pushed onto the post.
Martinez will not drop him, just won't happen, same way he won't drop Pepe, but that's not being talked about
A 1-0 battering here by the Dutch.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on July 02, 2024, 05:38:08 PMA 1-0 battering here by the Dutch.
They very good tbf - Dumfries flying up and down the right flank giving them plenty of joy
That new Spurs center half looks really good here.
I'm in shock. It's actually entertaining. If the Dutch don't get a second though they'll kick themselves as can see Romania equalising
Quote from: An Watcher on July 02, 2024, 06:22:59 PMI'm in shock. It's actually entertaining. If the Dutch don't get a second though they'll kick themselves as can see Romania equalising
You know it's going to happen!
What a shite pass
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on July 02, 2024, 06:03:29 PMThat new Spurs center half looks really good here.
Maybe not so good on the 2bd goal!
Gakpo having a great tournament.
Netherlands finish with a flourish.
Not the Euros - but did anyone see any of the USA v Uruguay match last night in the Copa America? USA didn't perform either against Panama nor Uruguay but the incompetence of the referees in both matches (at best, could be borderline cheating from the referees) was absolutely shocking. USA Panama should have finished 10-8 in terms of players remaining on the field and the referee last night was beyond a joke. Would be hard for the USA not to feel persecuted by the South American refs on the basis of the group games.
If the Euros had a performance from a Ref like the game last night the internet would be up in arms!
Would expect this to be a good game
Ha just as I type Turkey score!
Quote from: Puckoon on July 02, 2024, 07:05:47 PMNot the Euros - but did anyone see any of the USA v Uruguay match last night in the Copa America? USA didn't perform either against Panama nor Uruguay but the incompetence of the referees in both matches (at best, could be borderline cheating from the referees) was absolutely shocking. USA Panama should have finished 10-8 in terms of players remaining on the field and the referee last night was beyond a joke. Would be hard for the USA not to feel persecuted by the South American refs on the basis of the group games.
If the Euros had a performance from a Ref like the game last night the internet would be up in arms!
Bit like the Eurovision Song Contest for the Brits lol! Good way to get back at them ;)
What a save!
Pulsating game that. Non stop from the start.
Great save. Austria were the better team but giving up a goal in the first minute cost them in the end.
Austria going out will be a loss to the tournament.
A turkey England semi would be epic 😆
Pickering?! 😂
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on July 02, 2024, 10:13:13 PMA turkey England semi would be epic 😆
I'd say that is the last pairing the Germans want at this point. Heard this morning the last time they played a warm up in Manchester there was a bigger police operation in place than the Manc Derby.
Taking into account the amount of Turks in Germany it could get messy.
To be fair can't see the Turks beating Netherlands.
Austria v Turkey, finally a decent game. Austria will be kicking themselves having had the majority of it but unable make it count. What a save from the Baumgartner effort at the end!
Great stop alright
Copa America update: Quarter Final line up:-
Argentina v Ecuador
Venezuela v Canada
Uruguay v Brazil
Colombia v Panama
USA, Mexico, Chile all failed to make it out of the groups.
The Dutch looked impressive enough last night and seem to be hitting form at the right time.
On paper they look to have a good defence with Van de Ven not getting a start, so they've plenty of strength on the bench.
That lad Schouten looks promising in the holding role, but I struggle with Depay being on a team that could win the Euro's and I think scoring will be their undoing as we progress.
Didn't see the other game, U12 camogie takes precedent in our house.
Quote from: Pub Bore on July 03, 2024, 10:44:42 AMCopa America update: Quarter Final line up:-
Argentina v Ecuador
Venezuela v Canada
Uruguay v Brazil
Colombia v Panama
USA, Mexico, Chile all failed to make it out of the groups.
Hosting the next World cup and will probably do no better.
Spain leading Germany 1-0 into the second half through Danny Olmo. The game needed a goal.
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 05, 2024, 06:16:41 PMSpain leading Germany 1-0 into the second half through Danny Olmo. The game needed a goal.
I'm willing to give McCoist the benefit of the doubt but f**k he's annoying. Any good commentator would red Havertz out of it after missing that sitter but McCoist praised him as if he scored it.
The Germans draw level late on.
How is Kroos still on the pitch!
Germany could have had this won ten times
Anthony Taylor is a crooked hoor.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on July 05, 2024, 06:57:59 PMAnthony Taylor is a crooked hoor.
How he didn't give a free to Spain right at the end, should have been a second yellow for Kroos.
Quote from: jcpen on July 05, 2024, 07:01:59 PMQuote from: Tony Baloney on July 05, 2024, 06:57:59 PMAnthony Taylor is a crooked hoor.
How he didn't give a free to Spain right at the end, should have been a second yellow for Kroos.
Spain not helping their cause by crying wolf at every slight touch
How is that not a penalty?
Hes brutal.
Thon Spanish boy with the mop head should have been booked for simulation multiple times too
Not the most recent one where the German shouldered him in the head.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on July 05, 2024, 07:26:34 PMNot the most recent one where the German shouldered him in the head.
Got the ball. And the lad wasnt shot in the legs im not sure ehat the rolling around is for
Nacho should have got one there too.
Spain needed that, they were never winning a shootout.
Not over yet.
Won't be the Germans to knock England out on penalties this time.
Proper full-backing at the end there from Carvajal.
Best team lost that for sure.
What a header to win it though. Would have loved Kroos to get the fairytale ending
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on July 05, 2024, 07:40:15 PMProper full-backing at the end there from Carvajal.
Black card ref
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on July 05, 2024, 07:40:15 PMProper full-backing at the end there from Carvajal.
He knew he was suspended anyway, great tackle!
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 05, 2024, 07:41:03 PMBest team lost that for sure.
What a header to win it though. Would have loved Kroos to get the fairytale ending
He won La Liga and the Champions League is that not enough of a fairytale ending.
Anyway he should have been off before he even eventually got his first yellow!
Can anyone shed any light on the Spanish goalkick strategy of loading every single player into one quadrant of the pitch?
Fair play to Spain knocking out the hosts in their own back yard. Don't think there was much between the sides and penalties probably would have been a fair result. Spain definitely the better team in the first half, Germans in the second
New rule, if it's 0 0 after 90 mins, both teams go out
This is a tough watch. Think I'm slowly getting fed up with the soccer
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on July 05, 2024, 09:49:59 PMNew rule, if it's 0 0 after 90 mins, both teams go out
A lot of the time yes, but in this game it felt like that were both going all out to score
Martin ONeill was way ahead of his time. Incredible to see two top countries reduced to this.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on July 05, 2024, 10:16:12 PMThis is a tough watch. Think I'm slowly getting fed up with the soccer
Jim Gavin to be tasked by UEFA to improve the game
These French lads, Mbappe included, are frauds.
Never about the style of the match, all about the result.
If France are holding out for a win in a penalty shootout after how Portugal won last time is dangerous
Kick them both out and let Germany back in.
Ronaldo has been shite, Martínez hasn't the balls to take him off.
The likes of Jota on the bench would surely be better to have him on the pitch.
Ronaldo will probably score the winner now 😂
Quote from: dec on July 05, 2024, 10:17:05 PMQuote from: Jell 0 Biafra on July 05, 2024, 09:49:59 PMNew rule, if it's 0 0 after 90 mins, both teams go out
A lot of the time yes, but in this game it felt like that were both going all out to score
Meh, brutal game.
Said to the young fella beforehand it would be nil-nil based on what we've seen from both teams so far. Absolutely f**king terrible up front from both teams.
France so disappointing there over the 120 mins.
Portugal weren't a whole lot better mind you
Quote from: Tony Baloney on July 05, 2024, 10:30:40 PMSaid to the young fella beforehand it would be nil-nil based on what we've seen from both teams so far. Absolutely f**king terrible up front from both teams.
Put any money on that?
Mbabbe has dodged his role here
What's with the camera angle on these penalties on RTE? France through to the semi finals.
5 very good penalties there in the circumstances from France.
Another awful match in as poor a tournament as I can remember
Ronaldo playing a full 120 minutes. Jez, Martinez had no balls. He was a virtual spectator for it all. Diego Jota must be sick.
France could end up winning this stinking the place out more than Greece in 2004
The feckers have yet to score a goal
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 05, 2024, 10:40:41 PMWhat's with the camera angle on these penalties on RTE? France through to the semi finals.
Yup even that was shite 🤣
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 05, 2024, 10:45:48 PMRonaldo playing a full 120 minutes. Jez, Martinez had no balls. He was a virtual spectator for it all. Diego Jota must be sick.
Cause that's what lost it?
Jota can prove how good he is at international level from here on in.
I think he's a cracker btw
Thought the angle was good myself
Main takeaway from this evening's game: Mbappe never would have made it as a professional boxer.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 05, 2024, 10:51:24 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on July 05, 2024, 10:45:48 PMRonaldo playing a full 120 minutes. Jez, Martinez had no balls. He was a virtual spectator for it all. Diego Jota must be sick.
Cause that's what lost it?
Jota can prove how good he is at international level from here on in.
I think he's a cracker btw
Ronaldo had very little involvement. Yes, he was a big part in them being toothless up front.
Jota is nearly 28, he's not some young lad waiting for his chance. This could be his last Euro's.
Quote from: An Watcher on July 05, 2024, 10:52:10 PMThought the angle was good myself
The angle from behind the kicker? Thought it was great.
Maybe Martinez will go home now and grow a pair of balls
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 05, 2024, 10:56:55 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on July 05, 2024, 10:51:24 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on July 05, 2024, 10:45:48 PMRonaldo playing a full 120 minutes. Jez, Martinez had no balls. He was a virtual spectator for it all. Diego Jota must be sick.
Cause that's what lost it?
Jota can prove how good he is at international level from here on in.
I think he's a cracker btw
Ronaldo had very little involvement. Yes, he was a big part in them being toothless up front.
Jota is nearly 28, he's not some young lad waiting for his chance. This could be his last Euro's.
100% Correct, Ronaldo was utter shite, Martinez was worse with his calls / lack of. MR2 you need to take the fanboy blinkers off.
Worst tournament I can remember
Were you not around for Italia 90? It was so bad they changed the rules after.
International soccer is in a whole lot worse state than GAA. England, France, Portugal all supposed top teams are absolutely dirt
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 05, 2024, 11:12:52 PMInternational soccer is in a whole lot worse state than GAA. England, France, Portugal all supposed top teams are absolutely dirt
True. because they are playing with the fear of getting beat. In my opinion the supposed lesser teams have had a real go and have made the tournament enjoyable.
Polish commentator Dariusz Szpakowski a few days ago
"For me, this is a tournament of tired teams, tired stars, and I'm beginning to think that in this case UEFA, and in two years FIFA, is squeezing a lemon in which there is hardly any juice anymore."
The "lesser" teams made the group stages. Often happens. They do heroics and go out at the last gasp, or make it to the last 16 and come up against stronger oppo. Then the knockouts are mostly between teams of similar quality who know they can't go full pelt or they'll be caught on the break.
Portugal get what they deserve for hiring Martinez. He done nothing with the incredible players Belgium had. He has done nothing with Portugal too.
This tournament needs a Spain win. Direct attacking football (though a bit too cautious today after they took the lead). Would be good to see other top teams deciding this is the way to go.
Quote from: Two Hands FFS on July 05, 2024, 11:27:42 PMPortugal get what they deserve for hiring Martinez. He done nothing with the incredible players Belgium had. He has done nothing with Portugal too.
Absolutely, his agent deserves a medal
Quote from: Itchy on July 05, 2024, 11:00:21 PMMaybe Martinez will go home now and grow a pair of balls
Hopefully lands the England job after this.
Quote from: bennydorano on July 05, 2024, 11:02:50 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on July 05, 2024, 10:56:55 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on July 05, 2024, 10:51:24 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on July 05, 2024, 10:45:48 PMRonaldo playing a full 120 minutes. Jez, Martinez had no balls. He was a virtual spectator for it all. Diego Jota must be sick.
Cause that's what lost it?
Jota can prove how good he is at international level from here on in.
I think he's a cracker btw
Ronaldo had very little involvement. Yes, he was a big part in them being toothless up front.
Jota is nearly 28, he's not some young lad waiting for his chance. This could be his last Euro's.
100% Correct, Ronaldo was utter shite, Martinez was worse with his calls / lack of. MR2 you need to take the fanboy blinkers off.
Worst tournament I can remember
If you care to look back I've been very critical of him, I'm just not convinced he was the reason they are out of the tournament, Martinez is the manager, there was also a player far older than Ronaldo who got less criticism and they lost to France in a penalty shootout after winning their group.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 06, 2024, 07:58:41 AMQuote from: bennydorano on July 05, 2024, 11:02:50 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on July 05, 2024, 10:56:55 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on July 05, 2024, 10:51:24 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on July 05, 2024, 10:45:48 PMRonaldo playing a full 120 minutes. Jez, Martinez had no balls. He was a virtual spectator for it all. Diego Jota must be sick.
Cause that's what lost it?
Jota can prove how good he is at international level from here on in.
I think he's a cracker btw
Ronaldo had very little involvement. Yes, he was a big part in them being toothless up front.
Jota is nearly 28, he's not some young lad waiting for his chance. This could be his last Euro's.
100% Correct, Ronaldo was utter shite, Martinez was worse with his calls / lack of. MR2 you need to take the fanboy blinkers off.
Worst tournament I can remember
If you care to look back I've been very critical of him, I'm just not convinced he was the reason they are out of the tournament, Martinez is the manager, there was also a player far older than Ronaldo who got less criticism and they lost to France in a penalty shootout after winning their group.
In the two knock out games which went to extra time and penalties he was centre forward and was underwhelming to say the least.Portugal keeping quality attacking options like Jota, Ramos and Felix on the bench to facilitate him was a big part of why they aren't into next round.Is Pepe the player you are referring too?
Quote from: statto on July 06, 2024, 08:13:26 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on July 06, 2024, 07:58:41 AMQuote from: bennydorano on July 05, 2024, 11:02:50 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on July 05, 2024, 10:56:55 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on July 05, 2024, 10:51:24 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on July 05, 2024, 10:45:48 PMRonaldo playing a full 120 minutes. Jez, Martinez had no balls. He was a virtual spectator for it all. Diego Jota must be sick.
Cause that's what lost it?
Jota can prove how good he is at international level from here on in.
I think he's a cracker btw
Ronaldo had very little involvement. Yes, he was a big part in them being toothless up front.
Jota is nearly 28, he's not some young lad waiting for his chance. This could be his last Euro's.
100% Correct, Ronaldo was utter shite, Martinez was worse with his calls / lack of. MR2 you need to take the fanboy blinkers off.
Worst tournament I can remember
If you care to look back I've been very critical of him, I'm just not convinced he was the reason they are out of the tournament, Martinez is the manager, there was also a player far older than Ronaldo who got less criticism and they lost to France in a penalty shootout after winning their group.
In the two knock out games which went to extra time and penalties he was centre forward and was underwhelming to say the least.Portugal keeping quality attacking options like Jota, Ramos and Felix on the bench to facilitate him was a big part of why they aren't into next round.Is Pepe the player you are referring too?
The manager is keeping those players from starting. That's on Martinez, Pepe is another player that was underwhelming but gets no criticism.
Ronaldo is past it and playing in those leagues has shown to most that your standard will drop, hence why Henderson left and tried to find form being in Holland, unfortunately for him he couldn't prove his worth.
MR2 I'm thinking of starting a thread on your bad takes lolol - Pepe was part of a defence that conceded one goal in five matches, I'm no lover of the man but the effort he put in compared to the CR7 bloke was night and day. Didn't spend his time looking for himself on the big screen nor insist on taking free kicks when his success ratio is none (or one) in 60.
Maybe that's why he didn't get same criticism...
Sad ending for the best ever. Looks like a poor player even though the quality in general is bang average.
He'll pick up another couple of hundred million then probably end up over Portugal in a few years
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 06, 2024, 09:53:32 AMSad ending for the best ever. Looks like a poor player even though the quality in general is bang average.
He'll pick up another couple of hundred million then probably end up over Portugal in a few years
Ah, there is noting sad about that ending. CR7 has won this competition. It's not like there was an unfulfilled dream of winning it. He was damn lucky to be there, as he should never had been there.
I know this is a bit off topic but when Ireland fans are demanding progressive football then you see how squads PACKED with quality play.
International football is mostly cagey in fairness.
I reckon France to find a gear and win it.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 06, 2024, 10:22:59 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on July 06, 2024, 09:53:32 AMSad ending for the best ever. Looks like a poor player even though the quality in general is bang average.
He'll pick up another couple of hundred million then probably end up over Portugal in a few years
Ah, there is noting sad about that ending. CR7 has won this competition. It's not like there was an unfulfilled dream of winning it. He was damn lucky to be there, as he should never had been there.
Sad as in sad to see how shite he has become
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 06, 2024, 11:07:09 AMQuote from: From the Bunker on July 06, 2024, 10:22:59 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on July 06, 2024, 09:53:32 AMSad ending for the best ever. Looks like a poor player even though the quality in general is bang average.
He'll pick up another couple of hundred million then probably end up over Portugal in a few years
Ah, there is noting sad about that ending. CR7 has won this competition. It's not like there was an unfulfilled dream of winning it. He was damn lucky to be there, as he should never had been there.
Sad as in sad to see how shite he has become
I'd be more sad for the players who missed out on game time for this fiasco to continue.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 06, 2024, 11:19:42 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on July 06, 2024, 11:07:09 AMQuote from: From the Bunker on July 06, 2024, 10:22:59 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on July 06, 2024, 09:53:32 AMSad ending for the best ever. Looks like a poor player even though the quality in general is bang average.
He'll pick up another couple of hundred million then probably end up over Portugal in a few years
Ah, there is noting sad about that ending. CR7 has won this competition. It's not like there was an unfulfilled dream of winning it. He was damn lucky to be there, as he should never had been there.
Sad as in sad to see how shite he has become
I'd be more sad for the players who missed out on game time for this fiasco to continue.
True.
Should have been an impact player at best
Looked at head to heads between England and Switzerland there and it's not good reading i'm afraid. The Swiss haven't beaten them in 13 attempts going back to 1981.
Ronaldo sits in the middle of the Huddle at half time Extra time.
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Some obsessive behaviour here ;D
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 06, 2024, 01:28:49 PMRonaldo sits in the middle of the Huddle at half time Extra time.
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That's a serious shine off Martinez head.
Wouldn't be surprised if Ronaldo sticks around for the next World Cup.
Quote from: jcpen on July 06, 2024, 01:58:12 PMWouldn't be surprised if Ronaldo sticks around for the next World Cup.
If he keeps getting the attention he probably will
I remember seeing Martinez during the anthem a couple of times with this smile on his face. It was as if he was thinking , I can't believe I keep getting big management jobs like this.
The last Portugal manager in Qatar realised Ronaldo up front just wasn't working and dropped him. Martinez just didn't seem to have the guts to drop him , not even for the dead rubber v Georgia . They could , and should have beat France if he had mixed it up s bit
Oh look harry kane dived.
30 minutes played and still waiting for England and Switzerland to manage a shot on target.
A full half without a shot on target. Edge of the seat stuff this is!
In the future they will force prisoners to watch this game as a form of torture.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on July 06, 2024, 05:41:45 PMIn the future they will force prisoners to watch this game as a form of torture.
Watch the rugby
Ah now, things are bad, but not that bad surely.
Micah Richards building up foden and how great he is as a number 10 as an attacking force been useless again.
Quote from: statto on July 06, 2024, 05:49:39 PMMicah Richards building up foden and how great he is as a number 10 as an attacking force been useless again.
It's not just him, Rio singing the same tune.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 06, 2024, 05:44:34 PMQuote from: Jell 0 Biafra on July 06, 2024, 05:41:45 PMIn the future they will force prisoners to watch this game as a form of torture.
Watch the rugby
These twats on BBC are saying England are playing well?? Jesus!
Lads on BBC are losing the run of themselves. You'd think they were 2 up.
Saying the same on Fox sports
Now onto Mainoo Jesus these lads are pathetic.
Is the score definitely 0-0? This analysis is crazy ;D
Only way is up for the 2nd half
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England basically play without a striker. How do they expect to win games like that.
Quote from: statto on July 06, 2024, 05:49:39 PMMicah Richards building up foden and how great he is as a number 10 as an attacking force been useless again.
He's been shite all tournament and they're hyping up a couple of sideways passes this match unbelievable.. Saka been Englands only good player today so far imo
Bellingham and mainoo have been ok.
They offer nothing in the final third. Kane is barely ever there because he's so far back.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 06, 2024, 06:21:43 PMBellingham and mainoo have been ok.
They offer nothing in the final third. Kane is barely ever there because he's so far back always lying on the pitch.
Penalties..
Kane playing worse than Ronaldo ;D
Great tackle by Kane. In his own box.
How do they expect to win games at this level with so little attacking threat. Really poor.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 06, 2024, 06:11:21 PMEngland basically play without a striker. How do they expect to win games like that.
You're mad in the head.
They're playing without a striker because:
a) they don't cross the ball, hit long passes, or hit through ball. So they might as well play Brian Potter up there if they just want someone to stand up front.
B) Bellingham is a lazy show pony **** who offers nothing in defence or build up play, so Kane is taking on most of the 10 duties to make up for him.
It's ridiculous that Southgate can't get a squad with these players to play better than they are. They are truly awful.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 06, 2024, 06:23:49 PMPenalties..
Kane playing worse than Ronaldo ;D
Much like Ronaldo what does he offer for his team when not scoring?
???
I didn't say it was Kane's fault.
They are shite and make no substitutions. Worst is they may win this game.
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 06, 2024, 06:28:50 PMIt's ridiculous that Southgate can't get a squad with these players to play better than they are. They are truly awful.
1st half they were just about ok. He's now watched half an hour of this 2nd half and he's done nothing to change things. I don't think he knows how to.
Switzerland lead :o Southgate no choice but to throw the shackles off now!
Looked like it could have been a penalty for a foul by Walker if the Swiss fella didn't get the toe on it at the back post.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 06, 2024, 06:30:53 PMSwitzerland lead :o Southgate no choice but to throw the shackles off now!
And that shackle is called Luke Shaw :o
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 06, 2024, 06:35:28 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on July 06, 2024, 06:30:53 PMSwitzerland lead :o Southgate no choice but to throw the shackles off now!
And that shackle is called Luke Shaw :o
1-1 just like that. Their first shot on target in the 80th minute.
F**k. Fine finish.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 06, 2024, 06:36:39 PMF**k. Fine finish.
Is that their first shot on target ?
Cnuts
Why do England never cross the ball?
They aren't Man City in terms of technical ability. Not even remotely close.
Their best approach is to make the game less about technique and more about pressure.
They're just bizarre to watch.
Shearer.. no one was getting on to the end of his balls!!
Another 30 minutes of watching these two boring teams in action.
I'm this close to starting a conversation with my family.
Hang in there .... You can just switch it over to Wimbledon ;D
Both teams as bad as each other. Brutal.
Why not bring on shaqiri? Surely he'd bring some trickery for the swiss
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Tell them how great they are says Shearer the 105 minute of football before might indicate that Southgate would be lying.
Penalties it is and Switzerland aren't great at them so hope for England yet.
I have an idea for FIFA and the GAA, put the penalties at the start of the game or at least at the start of the extra time. Then at least one team has a motivation to score in extra time!
England through to the semi finals, Southgate is one a lucky general.
They're going to win the whole thing aren't they?!
Awful penalties from both teams
The Euros are an awful watch.
Non football is winning.
It's going to be England France in the final, isn't it?
Quote from: Tony Baloney on July 06, 2024, 07:42:46 PMThey're going to win the whole thing aren't they?!
Another name on the trophy type win and if they do go to win the whole thing it will go down as the most boring international tournament ever.
Quote from: Truthsayer on July 06, 2024, 07:41:59 PMNo sympathy whatsoever for a professional footballer misses a penalty, and the size of those goals. Thon Swiss boy should be ashamed of himself... on £180,000 a week with Man City. Dreadful
The most pressure you've had trailer is getting to school on time, this is a whole different level.
If England's name is on the trophy then you could make the same case for the French. They have also been terrible and have made the semi final.
Quote from: Turf on July 06, 2024, 07:54:14 PMIf England's name is on the trophy then you could make the same case for the French. They have also been terrible and have made the semi final.
Yup.
We are currently on course for the worst game of football in history in the final.
It's the final the tournament deserves.
I think England will squeak through to the final playing similarly as they have done. The Netherlands or Turkey are fairly average. France v England final could be one for the purists.
Ladies game on TG4 between Dublin and Galway is more entertaining.. and I ain't kiddin
Deserved lead for Turkey.
Turks a breath of fresh air compared to a lot if turgid muck in this tournament lately.
Shearer kept asking if someone can produce a moment of magic.
Therein lies the problem. ALL the England stars want to do that.
None of them want to make sacrificial runs.
I am also not sure what system Southgate is trying.
But it's all pretty muck...
No doubt those backstards will make the final now , probably via another penalty shootout
Spain are the only team capable of opening them up but I'd rather England went out in a semi as the nearest they are to the trophy the more likely they could fluke the fecking thing!!!!
That Swiss Keeper was terrible in the shootout continually diving the wrong way.
Turks gave it their best shot. Netherlands the latest who will try to knock England out.
Good game that
Enjoyable game, tournament will be worse off without the Turks. They were exciting to watch and brought great colour and noise with them. They probably deserved a draw.
Quote from: gawa316 on July 06, 2024, 09:55:07 PMGood game that
It was. We got extra time in the wrong game.
Hard luck to the Turks but Holland probably better placed to beat England.
Was Gakpo given the goal? Looked like an OG to me.
Quote from: jcpen on July 06, 2024, 09:57:49 PMHard luck to the Turks but Holland probably better placed to beat England.
Was Gakpo given the goal? Looked like an OG to me.
Was given as og in the end.
Surely the Dutch will beat the English. England have been terrible but have somehow got through to this stage.
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 06, 2024, 10:08:00 PMSurely the Dutch will beat the English. England have been terrible but have somehow got through to this stage.
The English also have played 2 extra time games which should help tire them out.
I dunno, it's not like they played above walking pace either time.
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 06, 2024, 10:08:00 PMSurely the Dutch will beat the English. England have been terrible but have somehow got through to this stage.
England have been awful to watch but keep finding a way to win. I would rate the Dutch about the same as Switzerland so would not be overly surprised if England found a way to reach the final
Quote from: thewobbler on July 06, 2024, 07:56:29 PMQuote from: Turf on July 06, 2024, 07:54:14 PMIf England's name is on the trophy then you could make the same case for the French. They have also been terrible and have made the semi final.
Yup.
We are currently on course for the worst game of football in history in the final.
if england and France both win just go straight to penos save everyone a couple hours.
I recall Greece being something similar when they won it. Mixed bag in their group and 1-0 wins in the knockout stages.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on July 07, 2024, 10:14:20 AMI recall Greece being something similar when they won it. Mixed bag in their group and 1-0 wins in the knockout stages.
Portugal 2016 too drew three group games.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 22, 2024, 09:37:40 AMPortugal are another side with an incredible squad.
Whether Martinez can get the best out of them is another question.
And is Ronaldo a hindrance?
That turned out to be prophetic
Quote from: straightred on July 07, 2024, 12:25:31 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 22, 2024, 09:37:40 AMPortugal are another side with an incredible squad.
Whether Martinez can get the best out of them is another question.
And is Ronaldo a hindrance?
That turned out to be prophetic
He was complete pants, but what country will drop a striker who's scored 10 goals in the qualifying groups? Yes, they had handy teams in their group as do other big countries, but there would have been some Portuguese backlash had he not been involved or starting from their media.
I've said before the guys marmite and if he was chocolate he'd eat himself.
In the Copa América Brazil out and Canada into the semi finals.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 07, 2024, 04:51:54 PMIn the Copa América Brazil out and Canada into the semi finals.
And they went straight to penalties after 90 minutes, no extra time
Quote from: jcpen on July 06, 2024, 09:57:49 PMHard luck to the Turks but Holland probably better placed to beat England.
Was Gakpo given the goal? Looked like an OG to me.
Turkey have never beaten England in 11 attempts losing 9 of those games. Holland have a slightly better head to head with 7 wins v 6. There were also 9 draws. The Dutch definitely pose the better threat overall out of the 2 in knocking England out.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 07, 2024, 12:52:39 PMQuote from: straightred on July 07, 2024, 12:25:31 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 22, 2024, 09:37:40 AMPortugal are another side with an incredible squad.
Whether Martinez can get the best out of them is another question.
And is Ronaldo a hindrance?
That turned out to be prophetic
He was complete pants, but what country will drop a striker who's scored 10 goals in the qualifying groups? Yes, they had handy teams in their group as do other big countries, but there would have been some Portuguese backlash had he not been involved or starting from their media.
I've said before the guys marmite and if he was chocolate he'd eat himself.
Even if Martinez didn't have the balls to drop him, leaving him in the full 120 mins, again, with him, again, completely failing to impact the game, is absolutely criminal.
He's almost certain to keep going as well.
France v Spain coming up. What way will this one go? I don't like the match up of Mbappe against 38 year old Navas. It could be bad for Spain. Apart from that I would fancy Spain to win this one.
1-0 Spain, with a late goal. Maybe a penalty
France 1-0 ahead after eight minutes. Their first goal from a French player in open play in this tournament.
Quote from: AustinPowers on July 09, 2024, 07:56:15 PM1-0 Spain, with a late goal. Maybe a penalty
Hope you hadnt much on that lol
Good start for a neutral
1-1 good goal that one by the young fella.
What a strike.
150m bids incoming
So much for a defensive borefest ;D
Game of the tournament by a mile
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 09, 2024, 08:10:44 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on July 09, 2024, 07:56:15 PM1-0 Spain, with a late goal. Maybe a penalty
Hope you hadnt much on that lol
Good start for a neutral
Luckily nothing. I'd thought it was going to be a boring watch . Maybe not
Surely the winners of this beat England??
Quote from: AustinPowers on July 09, 2024, 08:29:11 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on July 09, 2024, 08:10:44 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on July 09, 2024, 07:56:15 PM1-0 Spain, with a late goal. Maybe a penalty
Hope you hadnt much on that lol
Good start for a neutral
Luckily nothing. I'd thought it was going to be a boring watch . Maybe not
Some start. At least France have to come out and play now
Quote from: toby47 on July 09, 2024, 08:29:42 PMSurely the winners of this beat England??
Hopefully the losers are playing them in the 3rd place play off
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 09, 2024, 08:30:46 PMQuote from: toby47 on July 09, 2024, 08:29:42 PMSurely the winners of this beat England??
Hopefully the losers are playing them in the 3rd place play off
Please god! Sorry I meant to finish by saying......if England squeeze through tomorrow night!
I can't remember the last time I turned on the TV and Jermaine Jenas wasn't on it!
B*****d is everywhere
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 09, 2024, 08:30:46 PMHopefully the losers are playing them in the 3rd place play off
No third place playoff in the Euros
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 09, 2024, 08:30:46 PMQuote from: toby47 on July 09, 2024, 08:29:42 PMSurely the winners of this beat England??
Hopefully the losers are playing them in the 3rd place play off
As with every tournament since UEFA Euro 1984, there will be no third place play-off.
Getting mixed up with the World Cup cheers folks.
Anyway lets hope England are watching the final from home.
Quote from: AustinPowers on July 09, 2024, 08:37:08 PMI can't remember the last time I turned on the TV and Jermaine Jenas wasn't on it!
B*****d is everywhere
Daniel Sturridge on Fox Sports would give you the skitter...trying to be a bit like Micah Richards
The 'water carrier' bottles it again
Spain into the final and haven't lost European championship final since 1984.
It's like a different sport to what England play. That really was the final - they'll take anyone else apart.
Mbappe was as bad as Ronaldo in this tournament, at least Ronaldo had the excuse that he's nearly 40.
Spain better equipped to beat England if it comes to it. In fact England were probably due to beat France had they met.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 09, 2024, 09:55:21 PMIt's like a different sport to what England play. That really was the final - they'll take anyone else apart.
Seems every striker/top forward has stunk the tournament out.. Youngest player at the tourno has been the best
Morata getting injured by a steward tacking a pitch invader could be a another break for England.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 09, 2024, 09:55:21 PMIt's like a different sport to what England play. That really was the final - they'll take anyone else apart.
Much as I despise Southgate and his anti-fun football, England are set up so that it doesn't really matter if they're taken apart. They still won't concede many, and can always get goals.
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 09, 2024, 09:54:19 PMSpain into the final and haven't lost European championship final since 1984.
Strange way of putting it given they didn't appear in one between 1984 and 2008.
Quote from: gallsman on July 09, 2024, 10:58:55 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on July 09, 2024, 09:54:19 PMSpain into the final and haven't lost European championship final since 1984.
Strange way of putting it given they didn't appear in one between 1984 and 2008.
Lies damned lies and statistics lol. Spain look a serious team but not sure my nerves could watch them and England.
Quote from: clarshack on July 09, 2024, 10:29:46 PMMorata getting injured by a steward tacking a pitch invader could be a another break for England.
It is not as big a blow as losing Carvajal and Le Normand for tonights game and they still got by. Carvajal coming back will make them stronger for the England game than losing Morata will weaken them.
Over on the competition thread a grand total of zero people picked Spain to win the whole thing.
Argentina beat Canada 2-0 to reach the final of the Copa America. Uruguay v Colombia in the other semi tonight. In this tournament they have done away with extra time and go straight to pens if it's a draw after 90 mins.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 09, 2024, 09:55:21 PMIt's like a different sport to what England play. That really was the final - they'll take anyone else apart.
England will bring Spain down to their level and beat them on experience.
Hoping Gakpo and the headband wearing Depay have the games of their lives tonight.
Quote from: johnnycool on July 10, 2024, 01:52:56 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on July 09, 2024, 09:55:21 PMIt's like a different sport to what England play. That really was the final - they'll take anyone else apart.
England will bring Spain down to their level and beat them on experience.
Hoping Gakpo and the headband wearing Depay have the games of their lives tonight.
The Dutch scored 3 v Romania and 2 v Turkey , so there is goals there. I just don't see them beating that shower though.
I think it'll be very cagey. Unfortunately I think that lot will win on penalties after a 1-1 draw
I really hope I'm wrong , because the stars does seem to be aligning for those fuppers. Morata getting cleaned out by a steward , and potentially out for the final , the latest example of this
Southgate has them set up to grind these matches out. I hope I'm wrong but I can't see the Dutch springing a surprise. And the worst of it is the fcukers seem to be good at penalty shoot outs now!
I think the Dutch will sit in and defend, and break very quick up the pitch at every opportunity as they've serious pace. Virgil will need to be at his best, he'll have a few clearances to make. Scary stuff.
Statistically it appears the team to shoot first on penalties is more likely to win, a well known analysis at this stage. So not only did Ronaldo play shite and seemingly put his ego before the rest of the squad, but having won the toss he decided to pass the advantage of kicking first to France. Bit of a mare from start to finish
There has been 3 penalty shootouts, Portugal won one and lost one and England won theirs
I think when you win the toss do you pick which end? Then is it tossed again to see who goes first?
Paul Merson on Sky Sports, "I don't see any possibility in which the Dutch team will beat us. It would be a shock. An even bigger shock than if we had been knocked out by Switzerland."
David James on England to BBC, "This is a great test for the final against Spain."
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 10, 2024, 03:23:10 PMPaul Merson on Sky Sports, "I don't see any possibility in which the Dutch team will beat us. It would be a shock. An even bigger shock than if we had been knocked out by Switzerland."
David James on England to BBC, "This is a great test for the final against Spain."
Whats the collective noun for more than one oracle?
1 shot on target in the whole game against Slovenia. Probably about the same against Switzerland.
Then they think they can beat all round them.
Quote from: tiempo on July 10, 2024, 03:33:11 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on July 10, 2024, 03:23:10 PMPaul Merson on Sky Sports, "I don't see any possibility in which the Dutch team will beat us. It would be a shock. An even bigger shock than if we had been knocked out by Switzerland."
David James on England to BBC, "This is a great test for the final against Spain."
Whats the collective noun for more than one oracle?
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Does Foden have Southgate's nudes? Stink the tournament out and still gets a start
Some strike!
Rice losing the ball in the lead up was the icing on the cake.
Think we'll need a second goal though.
A penalty for England to allow them draw level.
Games gone
Ridiculous decision to give that as a pen
Penalty my arse. That's an awful decision.
Kane kicked the defender ffs
DISGRACEFUL DECISION
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 10, 2024, 08:17:26 PMPenalty my arse. That's an awful decision.
Looked like Kane kicked him rather than the other way around.
Ronnie Whelan is happy ::)
How did that go to VAR and Scotland's not? Ridiculous
Just give them the f**kin trophy now. Save us watching
Back to boring football now........
Defender went in studs high. Penno all day long.
Blatant foot block
Quote from: Truthsayer on July 10, 2024, 08:23:26 PMQuote from: Jell 0 Biafra on July 10, 2024, 08:22:00 PMDefender went in studs high. Penno all day long.
Always one goes the opposite way :D
That's good coming from you.
Can Ronnie Whelan go on co-commentary for the BBC or ITV.
England in decent game shocker.
England look decent enough here in fairness to them. They should go on to win this.
First half in both semi finals has been decent in what has been a poor quality tournament.
Are England good or Holland rubbish or a combination of both?
Quote from: Truthsayer on July 10, 2024, 08:41:00 PMAre England good or Holland rubbish or a combination of both?
Probably is a combination of both alright. The Dutch aren't great. Their midfield has been shocking.
Quote from: square_ball on July 10, 2024, 08:42:43 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on July 10, 2024, 08:41:00 PMAre England good or Holland rubbish or a combination of both?
Probably is a combination of both alright. The Dutch aren't great. Their midfield has been shocking.
Aye I didn't realise they are so poor
England looking very good going forward but defence a bit iffy looking. Foden on it big style 2nite. Was never a penalty but Dutch lucky to be drawing 1-1 at ht.
Quote from: square_ball on July 10, 2024, 08:42:43 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on July 10, 2024, 08:41:00 PMAre England good or Holland rubbish or a combination of both?
Probably is a combination of both alright. The Dutch aren't great. Their midfield has been shocking.
England passing through them every time.
Bellingham is fond on going down like he is shot when there is any degree of contact
Quote from: gawa316 on July 10, 2024, 09:02:47 PMBellingham is fond on going down like he is shot when there is any degree of contact
They all are. The old myth of only Johnny Foreigner diving is long gone as they are all at it.
Quote from: bennydorano on July 10, 2024, 08:48:56 PMEngland looking very good going forward but defence a bit iffy looking. Foden on it big style 2nite. Was never a penalty but Dutch lucky to be drawing 1-1 at ht.
Thinking the same.. problem is Dutch not coming forward too often.. a bit ominous this
Quote from: Tony Baloney on July 10, 2024, 09:10:20 PMQuote from: gawa316 on July 10, 2024, 09:02:47 PMBellingham is fond on going down like he is shot when there is any degree of contact
They all are. The old myth of only Johnny Foreigner diving is long gone as they are all at it.
It must be all those forrins over in Spain teaching Jude how to dive.
Dutch not a great team here either.
Holland are useless, England will win this handy.
Quote from: Gael85 on July 10, 2024, 09:26:56 PMHolland are useless, England will win this handy.
Currently 3/1... fill your boots
I did jump on the Harry kane shot on target boost at evens!
Southgate has managed to screw up the subs again. England coasting to now Holland getting back into it
Ronnie whelans a toolbag
Quote from: Gael85 on July 10, 2024, 09:26:56 PMHolland are useless, England will win this handy.
Would want to be better than your last prediction
Quote from: Gael85 on July 06, 2024, 04:09:30 PMLimerick will make shite of Kilkenny in final again.
England getting worse which is good. Saka some dive on him there.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 10, 2024, 09:33:25 PMQuote from: Gael85 on July 10, 2024, 09:26:56 PMHolland are useless, England will win this handy.
Would want to be better than your last prediction
Quote from: Gael85 on July 06, 2024, 04:09:30 PMLimerick will make shite of Kilkenny in final again.
:D
Hope hes predicted Kerry to win Sam
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 10, 2024, 09:34:41 PMEngland getting worse which is good. Saka some dive on him there.
They looked decent in the 1st half but they've completely fallen off a cliff in this 2nd half. Southgate afraid to make a change.
Dutch are flooding midfield so no space any more.
Phew...
Kane and Foden off hmm.
Quote from: An Watcher on July 10, 2024, 09:32:51 PMRonnie whelans a toolbag
Saw someone on Twitter describe him as the worst traitor since Diarmaid MacMurrough!
Quote from: An Watcher on July 10, 2024, 09:32:51 PMRonnie whelans a toolbag
Is he still referring as England as "we"
Seems very pro England this half. Didn't call out sakas dive or some of the England holding
This ref was done for match fixing before wasn't he?
England def getting all the decisions
England into the final now! Subs worked afterall.
FFS the jamminess is off the charts
Good goal.
Ballix.
Dutch won't be happy with that ref.
Another name on the trophy type win for England
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on July 10, 2024, 09:49:40 PMEngland def getting all the decisions
Unbelievable, ref gave them everything
Shite..................................
Viva España!
Im still fuming at that Slovakian pr1ck who didn't go to the corner to time waste when England were buried the w@nker
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 10, 2024, 03:23:10 PMPaul Merson on Sky Sports, "I don't see any possibility in which the Dutch team will beat us. It would be a shock. An even bigger shock than if we had been knocked out by Switzerland."
David James on England to BBC, "This is a great test for the final against Spain."
Turns out they were spot on!
Just a reminder that today's referee Felix Zwayer is a convicted match-fixer who was banned for SIX months.
Best team won.. Holland had a couple of shots and didn't take them..
I didn't see first half but I didn't see how the ref did much wrong in the second half
Better team have went through.
Ref def favoured England tho the Dutch were awful..
It has taken me to be nearly 50 to not hate them so much. I don't really care anymore ;D
That confirmed what I thought about Holland, average
Just saw Wright & Co's reaction to the winning goal. You could see that Keane was absolutely sick. He never showed any positive reaction to it. We'll have some shite to listen to from now until Sunday.
Don't understand the jamminess thing either. Would it be less lucky if they had scored in the 70th minute?
You play to the final whistle.
I'm in London this Sunday! Will be fecking nuts!
Dutch are absolutely turgid and have been for years. They've stopped producing truly elite players the way they used to.
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on July 10, 2024, 09:31:40 PMSouthgate has managed to screw up the subs again. England coasting to now Holland getting back into it
I don't know.
I think Southgate made the changes to try and win it.
Surely Watkins must start over Kane in the final?
Quote from: grounded on July 10, 2024, 09:55:13 PMQuote from: Jeepers Creepers on July 10, 2024, 09:49:40 PMEngland def getting all the decisions
Unbelievable, ref gave them everything
Every decision in the last 30 mins went to the tans including not giving Holland an obvious corner just before they scored
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 10, 2024, 10:09:39 PMI'm in London this Sunday! Will he fecking nuts!
Maybe have a lit flare stuck up your hole while you do a line off a pair of tits painted with a St. George's Cross on them.
Quote from: straightred on July 10, 2024, 10:10:51 PMQuote from: grounded on July 10, 2024, 09:55:13 PMQuote from: Jeepers Creepers on July 10, 2024, 09:49:40 PMEngland def getting all the decisions
Unbelievable, ref gave them everything
Every decision in the last 30 mins went to the tans including not giving Holland an obvious corner just before they scored
Van Dijk/Stones? Didn't think it was obvious at all and didn't see a replay that proved it one way or the other
Quote from: gallsman on July 10, 2024, 10:13:12 PMQuote from: straightred on July 10, 2024, 10:10:51 PMQuote from: grounded on July 10, 2024, 09:55:13 PMQuote from: Jeepers Creepers on July 10, 2024, 09:49:40 PMEngland def getting all the decisions
Unbelievable, ref gave them everything
Every decision in the last 30 mins went to the tans including not giving Holland an obvious corner just before they scored
Van Dijk/Stones? Didn't think it was obvious at all and didn't see a replay that proved it one way or the other
It was obvious without the replay ffs.
Didn't think England were great either tbh, did they have a shot in the second half apart from the goal?
Spain have won every game so far, can't see that changing on Sunday
Quote from: gallsman on July 10, 2024, 10:13:12 PMQuote from: straightred on July 10, 2024, 10:10:51 PMQuote from: grounded on July 10, 2024, 09:55:13 PMQuote from: Jeepers Creepers on July 10, 2024, 09:49:40 PMEngland def getting all the decisions
Unbelievable, ref gave them everything
Every decision in the last 30 mins went to the tans including not giving Holland an obvious corner just before they scored
Van Dijk/Stones? Didn't think it was obvious at all and didn't see a replay that proved it one way or the other
I thought it came off the back of Stones' shoulder.
Quote from: marty34 on July 10, 2024, 10:10:11 PMQuote from: JPGJOHNNYG on July 10, 2024, 09:31:40 PMSouthgate has managed to screw up the subs again. England coasting to now Holland getting back into it
I don't know.
I think Southgate made the changes to try and win it.
Surely Watkins must start over Kane in the final?
He's not going to drop Kane for the final.
Quote from: gallsman on July 10, 2024, 10:12:15 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on July 10, 2024, 10:09:39 PMI'm in London this Sunday! Will he fecking nuts!
Maybe have a lit flare stuck up your hole while you do a line off a pair of tits painted with a St. George's Cross on them.
Not sure she'll be happy but hell yeah ;D
Won't see it though, booked into the sky bar with no tv
They were the better side for long periods of the game. As a villa fan I was hoping that Watkins would not be introduced as the game was made for him. He's a machine at pressing the defence and his runs in behind will always cause problems. He'll be on the bench again for the final.
The mad thing about this is that there has been far better English teams in the past
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 10, 2024, 10:09:39 PMI'm in London this Sunday! Will be fecking nuts!
https://x.com/paddypower/status/1811142323176198303
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 10, 2024, 10:25:35 PMThe mad thing about this is that there has been far better English teams in the past
Yes, but the standard of other teams has levelled off too. Also, Southgate's teams are primarily set up not to concede goals. They play low risk.
I never fancied the Dutch here. Always knew those backstards would win it
Depay, while limited, was one of the few Dutch players who could maybe nick a goal. Injured.
Their name is on the trophy. Once that equaliser went in against Slovakia , I just had a really bad feeling they'd do it.
Now Morata could be injured for final after being taken out by a steward. You couldn't make it up . The luck is hanging out of them.
W@nkers
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 10, 2024, 10:34:48 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on July 10, 2024, 10:09:39 PMI'm in London this Sunday! Will be fecking nuts!
https://x.com/paddypower/status/1811142323176198303
Class, I'll take a dander round Trafalgar Square for the craic
Saka handles the ball before it falls to Keane to shoot (https://twitter.com/m3elv1n/status/1811151753435349077)
Really clutching at straws there.
Quote from: gallsman on July 10, 2024, 10:46:55 PMReally clutching at straws there.
No he was clutching at the Ball! ;D
Quote from: AustinPowers on July 10, 2024, 10:36:21 PMI never fancied the Dutch here. Always knew those backstards would win it
Depay, while limited, was one of the few Dutch players who could maybe nick a goal. Injured.
Their name is on the trophy. Once that equaliser went in against Slovakia , I just had a really bad feeling they'd do it.
Now Morata could be injured for final after being taken out by a steward. You couldn't make it up . The luck is hanging out of them.
W@nkers
morata has hardly been tearing it up to be fair.the wide men and midfield three have been where it's at for them.
Wonder will Southgate get any credit for bringing Watkins on?
Quote from: statto on July 10, 2024, 11:05:56 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on July 10, 2024, 10:36:21 PMI never fancied the Dutch here. Always knew those backstards would win it
Depay, while limited, was one of the few Dutch players who could maybe nick a goal. Injured.
Their name is on the trophy. Once that equaliser went in against Slovakia , I just had a really bad feeling they'd do it.
Now Morata could be injured for final after being taken out by a steward. You couldn't make it up . The luck is hanging out of them.
W@nkers
morata has hardly been tearing it up to be fair.the wide men and midfield three have been where it's at for them.
I would say England would be happier with Morata playing - clean useless.
Lol, was thinking the same
Quote from: gallsman on July 10, 2024, 10:12:15 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on July 10, 2024, 10:09:39 PMI'm in London this Sunday! Will he fecking nuts!
Maybe have a lit flare stuck up your hole while you do a line off a pair of tits painted with a St. George's Cross on them.
You St Galls lads certainly know how to enjoy yourselves :o
Quote from: gallsman on July 10, 2024, 10:46:55 PMReally clutching at straws there.
Where's the snickometer when you need it?
Feckin thing was used earlier in the tournament to cancel a Belgian goal.
Quote from: statto on July 10, 2024, 11:15:04 PMWonder will Southgate get any credit for bringing Watkins on?
I for one will be calling for Southgate's immediate knighthood. And 'arry Kane two. Nice one brov.
Quote from: statto on July 10, 2024, 11:05:56 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on July 10, 2024, 10:36:21 PMI never fancied the Dutch here. Always knew those backstards would win it
Depay, while limited, was one of the few Dutch players who could maybe nick a goal. Injured.
Their name is on the trophy. Once that equaliser went in against Slovakia , I just had a really bad feeling they'd do it.
Now Morata could be injured for final after being taken out by a steward. You couldn't make it up . The luck is hanging out of them.
W@nkers
morata has hardly been tearing it up to be fair.the wide men and midfield three have been where it's at for them.
If Spain had to choose to be without one of their starting 11, Morata would have been high on the list.
Quote from: statto on July 10, 2024, 11:15:04 PMWonder will Southgate get any credit for bringing Watkins on?
I wonder why he isn't being slated more leaving one of the PL's top strikers sitting on the bench to now. Kane has been useless bar diving for frees. World class my a..
Kane is joint top scorer at the tournament!
Fair chance that Kane ends up with the golden boot now that Gakpo is out.
England have never lost European Championship tournament game to Spain (P4 W4). Last major tournament win for Spain against England was in the World cup in 1950.
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 11, 2024, 05:33:01 PMEngland have never lost European Championship tournament game to Spain (P4 W4). Last major tournament win for Spain against England was in the World cup in 1950.
England have never won tournament on foreign soil
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on July 11, 2024, 04:52:18 PMKane is joint top scorer at the tournament!
Olmo is the outright Golden Boot leader at the Euros as he has the most assists of those on 3 goals, with 2.
That's 2 more than Kane.
Even if Kane got 2 assists in the final, Olmo would still be the outright leader as the next tiebreaker is less minutes played and Olmo missed one game.
Olmo didn't get his first goal in the Euros until the 83rd minute of the last 16 knockout stage.
Was 400/1 in running bets.
Quote from: blanketattack on July 12, 2024, 09:56:07 AMQuote from: Jell 0 Biafra on July 11, 2024, 04:52:18 PMKane is joint top scorer at the tournament!
Olmo is the outright Golden Boot leader at the Euros as he has the most assists of those on 3 goals, with 2.
That's 2 more than Kane.
Even if Kane got 2 assists in the final, Olmo would still be the outright leader as the next tiebreaker is less minutes played and Olmo missed one game.
Olmo didn't get his first goal in the Euros until the 83rd minute of the last 16 knockout stage.
Was 400/1 in running bets.
Was wondering what the different tiebreakers were, very interesting. Sounds like Kane will have to score more outright than Olmo in the final.
Jarlath Regan, types of Ireland supporters regarding England
https://www.tiktok.com/@jarlathregan/video/7389760997424221473
What margin of victory are we expecting England to win this final by tonight or will the unlikely happen and for them to win this Tournament on a penalty shootout?
England to win 3-1. KANE with 2 and Bellingham 1.
You know reverse jinxes don't work, right?
Bookies have Spain as favorites and I would agree with that.
Don't think England are as good as them but they have been very jammy so far but I think the Spanish will be too strong for them.
2-1 Spain
🤞🤞🤞
This place (London) is bonkers at the minute..
Hope Spain win, but it takes ya to lose cone to win one sometimes
God help us Ronnie ''We'' Whelan is on co-commentary! Do RTE not look at Social Media like Twitter/X?
Spain very negative so far
This game is a hard watch after watching Galway v Donegal earlier with 30 scores and 54 shots on goal.
Very poor game. Southgate chanelling his inner Mourinho.
Spain's much vaunted wingers not getting a look in.
England going to win this.
England are going to try and win this with their subs. They are not really trying to win it at the moment.
Quote from: bennydorano date=1720986357Spain's much vaunted wingers not getting a look in.
They get the ball and just grind to a halt yet man Williams is desperate for slowing things down. Playing nothing like the earlier rounds :( it's more like the shite they served up at the last world cup
Like alot of finals. Brutal.
Scrappy unsettled half, poor stuff. Suits England.
Goal for Spain, poor defending by England.
I told you that man Williams is awesome ;D
Now England are going to have to come out and play, should suit Spain.
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on July 14, 2024, 08:48:13 PMQuote from: bennydorano date=1720986357Spain's much vaunted wingers not getting a look in.
They get the ball and just grind to a halt yet man Williams is desperate for slowing things down.
Go on...
Confirmed.
The deadlock is broken.
1 nil to Spain.
Can't see England getting back from this. Could leave themselves open to more here if they go for it.
England on the ropes here if Spain can finish them off..
Morata, you useless get.
Harry Houdini taken off for England.
Either Harry's done or he just doesn't suit that style of football at all.
Spain could have been out of sight by now.
Hope it's not going to be one of those.
1-1 good finish.
F***
Typical
Spain will be kicking themselves missing some of those chances earlier ffs
Spain have only themselves to blame
Assist by ex-Borussia Dortmund player Jude Bellingham.
Momentum is a strange animal.......
England's to lose now.
So many curse words,I can't even put them on here!
Another big chance not taken by Spain.
16 of not, that should been in the net!
I've said it all day , these b******s are going to win this. I just know it
2-1 Spain the likely winner?
And Europe erupts!! Well wait for VAR!
Pickford keeping them in it. There's a chance of var here...
Strange they didn't look at that?
Great defending to stop another England goal there.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 14, 2024, 09:47:26 PMStrange they didn't look at that?
I thought the foot was possibly offside
Could be the new hand of god ;D
Spain win and were the best team in this tournament. After a dull 1st half a much better 2nd half and I wouldn't have said no to extra time.
Thank God!
Quote from: Turf on July 14, 2024, 07:42:17 PMBookies have Spain as favorites and I would agree with that.
Don't think England are as good as them but they have been very jammy so far but I think the Spanish will be too strong for them.
2-1 Spain
🤞🤞🤞
I'm not often wrong....
Delighted with that. England and Southgate get everything they deserve for playing absolute shit **** football and ignoring their centre forward for an entire tournament.
Should have played a couple of minutes more there. Best team, by a considerable amount, won.
Spain should have been a lot more comfortable. England have been poor. A good game against Holland and that was it how the fook they came so close to winning the thing I don't know
The knee of English defender won it for Spain. Southgate and his English side used up all of their luck before the final.
Spain's football is many levels above England in skill. Should have been at least 4-1.
A wee thanks to John Stones knee.
We can all sleep easier now
Thank Christ!
Pleased with that.
How anyone ever thought it was Englands to lose is bizarre.
Good career but that decline of Kyle Walker was seen tonight as he was poor on both of Spain's goals and other chances they probably should have scored from.
I don't think that's a decline. Pace like no other but doesn't have a good football brain.
Quote from: AustinPowers on July 14, 2024, 09:58:23 PMThank Christ!
Yeah such a relief. I have nothing against the players - just the 'bloody medja'. What shite we'd have had to listen to. Roy is getting his digs in now. Obviously 'secretly' delighted. 😀😀😀
John Stones Knee is a name for a quiz team.
England don't have a midfield to win out a tournament against the best teams in Europe. By winning out, I mean, consistently dominate the best teams, game after game, over a 3/4 game stretch.
But they do have exciting attacking talent, and multiple match winners, who can conjure goals out of nothing. They got an easy group, got the draw from heaven, played nobody to reach the final. Rodri going off at HT in the final etc. So it did look like the stars were aligning for them, and very easily could have won that game despite the possession stats. Wouldn't blame anyone thinking they were destined to win it.
Rice as usual pure shite, most of his passes back to Pickford. Spanish players are many levels above in skill.
A good example of the nonsense from English/Sky pundits pre tournament.
https://x.com/ballsdotie/status/1812593394197184973?s=4
Ronnie Whelan will be wrecking the commentary box about now
Quote from: weareros on July 14, 2024, 10:12:32 PMRice as usual pure shite, most of his passes back to Pickford. Spanish players are many levels above in skill.
A good example of the nonsense from English/Sky pundits pre tournament.
https://x.com/ballsdotie/status/1812593394197184973?s=4
Bellingham is overrated also imo, always throwing himself on the floor also.
Impressive fireworks.
Rice has the touch of a Bulgarian shot putter. Mainoo so much classier.
Kane was pants the whole tournament, but had to start and with Spain having so much possession England were going to be reliant on the counter attack.
Southgate waited too long to get Watkins on, plus their luck ran out.
Not complaining 8)
Quote from: jcpen on July 14, 2024, 10:16:03 PMQuote from: weareros on July 14, 2024, 10:12:32 PMRice as usual pure shite, most of his passes back to Pickford. Spanish players are many levels above in skill.
A good example of the nonsense from English/Sky pundits pre tournament.
https://x.com/ballsdotie/status/1812593394197184973?s=4
Bellingham is overrated also imo, always throwing himself on the floor also.
Bellingham looks a cert to be his generation's Dele Alli. He's quick, he's strong, he has a hell of a first touch. But he's more interested in being noticed than being a footballer. And that's despite what should have been a brilliant grounding in Dortmund.
Quote from: bennydorano on July 14, 2024, 10:22:34 PMRice has the touch of a Bulgarian shot putter. Mainoo so much classier.
Mainoo a belter of a player. Had a bit too much to do there but looks a very smart footballer.
Bellingham obviously has quality but tries to be Roy of the rovers. If they disciplined him to play a certain role he'd be better. Bit too much of a maverick and doesn't have the right players round him to do that.
Thank God for that. I was particularly disappointed for Declan Rice 😆
Quote from: johnnycool on July 14, 2024, 10:23:02 PMKane was pants the whole tournament, but had to start and with Spain having so much possession England were going to be reliant on the counter attack.
Southgate waited too long to get Watkins on, plus their luck ran out.
Not complaining 8)
Southgate was shocking and still he was a gee hair from a knighthood. Played the whole tournament not to lose. Carried Kane. Funny thing is, anytime they went behind and needed a goal, they got it, and usually in quick time. Even tonight, went behind with 2 minutes to go and could/should have got an equaliser.
I think Utd fans should worry. Radcliffe wanted this clown as his main man. Has he really better football smarts than the yanks?
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 14, 2024, 10:27:15 PMQuote from: bennydorano on July 14, 2024, 10:22:34 PMRice has the touch of a Bulgarian shot putter. Mainoo so much classier.
Mainoo a belter of a player. Had a bit too much to do there but looks a very smart footballer.
Bellingham obviously has quality but tries to be Roy of the rovers. If they disciplined him to play a certain role he'd be better. Bit too much of a maverick and doesn't have the right players round him to do that.
He played as a false 9 for Madrid this season and done very well. Probably could have played that role for England instead of playing an injured Kane. Don't know what his role will be with Madrid next season with Mbappe coming in as a striker.
I always thought Spain would win it but Englands name was on the cup. So I had to jinx England in my prediction.
Yemal was awful by his usual high standards but he still had a vital assist. On the night I think Williams was the most influential player.
Are England now the Mayo of International football?
How many times has Rice given the ball away in the last 2 games?
Quote from: thewobbler on July 14, 2024, 10:23:08 PMQuote from: jcpen on July 14, 2024, 10:16:03 PMQuote from: weareros on July 14, 2024, 10:12:32 PMRice as usual pure shite, most of his passes back to Pickford. Spanish players are many levels above in skill.
A good example of the nonsense from English/Sky pundits pre tournament.
https://x.com/ballsdotie/status/1812593394197184973?s=4
Bellingham is overrated also imo, always throwing himself on the floor also.
Bellingham looks a cert to be his generation's Dele Alli. He's quick, he's strong, he has a hell of a first touch. But he's more interested in being noticed than being a footballer. And that's despite what should have been a brilliant grounding in Dortmund.
At 21,it's like 'what have the Romans ever done for us? ' ;D
Quote from: Look-Up! on July 14, 2024, 10:30:59 PMQuote from: johnnycool on July 14, 2024, 10:23:02 PMKane was pants the whole tournament, but had to start and with Spain having so much possession England were going to be reliant on the counter attack.
Southgate waited too long to get Watkins on, plus their luck ran out.
Not complaining 8)
Southgate was shocking and still he was a gee hair from a knighthood. Played the whole tournament not to lose. Carried Kane. Funny thing is, anytime they went behind and needed a goal, they got it, and usually in quick time. Even tonight, went behind with 2 minutes to go and could/should have got an equaliser.
I think Utd fans should worry. Radcliffe wanted this clown as his main man. Has he really better football smarts than the yanks?
Top scorer in Germany, would they not welcome him with open arms? Surely as nation that worships the premier league, but hates England we could just revel in the defeat than talk jibberish?
Quote from: JoG2 on July 14, 2024, 10:49:31 PMQuote from: Look-Up! on July 14, 2024, 10:30:59 PMQuote from: johnnycool on July 14, 2024, 10:23:02 PMKane was pants the whole tournament, but had to start and with Spain having so much possession England were going to be reliant on the counter attack.
Southgate waited too long to get Watkins on, plus their luck ran out.
Not complaining 8)
Southgate was shocking and still he was a gee hair from a knighthood. Played the whole tournament not to lose. Carried Kane. Funny thing is, anytime they went behind and needed a goal, they got it, and usually in quick time. Even tonight, went behind with 2 minutes to go and could/should have got an equaliser.
I think Utd fans should worry. Radcliffe wanted this clown as his main man. Has he really better football smarts than the yanks?
Top scorer in Germany, would they not welcome him with open arms? Surely as nation that worships the premier league, but hates England we could just revel in the defeat than talk jibberish?
I'm talking about hiring the manager. Maybe read the post before typing jibberish.
The players get a total pass from morons like PL fanboy Ferdinand, why didn't we play on the front foot and take a few chances ? Well you didn't & couldn't get the ball. They still don't control games well enough for all the "star power" they have.
Copa America final kickoff delayed because ticketless fans rushed the gates.
Quote from: dec on July 15, 2024, 02:33:09 AMCopa America final kickoff delayed because ticket less game rushed the gates.
who cares
I dunno, maybe sports fans?
Quote from: dec on July 15, 2024, 02:33:09 AMCopa America final kickoff delayed because ticket less game rushed the gates.
Some security going on there.
https://x.com/ManagerTactical/status/1812652901954638262
It's an all-seater stadium, and supposedly up to 5000 Colombians have crashed it. Where are they sitting?
Decent game so far. Colombia far the better in the first half.
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 15, 2024, 02:34:31 AMQuote from: dec on July 15, 2024, 02:33:09 AMCopa America final kickoff delayed because ticket less game rushed the gates.
who cares
Big lad had a few pints.
Three tournaments in a row for Argentina now. The work Scaloni has done had been incredible. Messi still has value for them, but I hope they're able to let him go once that stops and we don't see him embarrassing himself in a tournament the way Ronaldo did this year.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on July 15, 2024, 03:17:19 AMIt's an all-seater stadium, and supposedly up to 5000 Colombians have crashed it. Where are they sitting?
Decent game so far. Colombia far the better in the first half.
Be a lot of Colombians in Miami who'd not necessarily be overly respectful of the rules...
When England equalised, Spain got a hold of the ball for the next 10/15 minutes and ran rings around England. Deserving winners and if they can unearth a decent striker they'd be big favourites for the World Cup.
England not gonna win things with Jordan Pickford hoofing the ball up the pitch every time he gets it. Kane is done at that level. He'll still score goals in the German league but he offered nothing to England. Still it's another golden boot to his collection.
Christ the standard of punditry from the English is a joke. Juan Mata and Fabregas showing them up.
Get Palmer on...so take off Saka? Oh no!
Harry Kane needs to be dropped for Watkin...but he is aiming for the Golden Boot...oh well then...
As a group they seem together but on the pitch they all want to be heroes. Why can't foden do it? It's almost like he doesn't have Rodri, De Bruyne and Silva's class with him, or that Englan can't control the ball...
Bellingham plays as a False 9 for Real backed up by Kroos and he has 2 flyers either side. Essentially ALL the England front men want to be in the Number 10 spot.
Even Rice is meant to be a holding player, but he wants to bomb on, but without the protection he gets at Aresenal.
I love these combined 11s before the Final where barely any Spanish players make the team.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on July 15, 2024, 09:51:42 AMChrist the standard of punditry from the English is a joke. Juan Mata and Fabregas showing them up.
Get Palmer on...so take off Saka? Oh no!
Harry Kane needs to be dropped for Watkin...but he is aiming for the Golden Boot...oh well then...
As a group they seem together but on the pitch they all want to be heroes. Why can't foden do it? It's almost like he doesn't have Rodri, De Bruyne and Silva's class with him, or that Englan can't control the ball...
Bellingham plays as a False 9 for Real backed up by Kroos and he has 2 flyers either side. Essentially ALL the England front men want to be in the Number 10 spot.
Even Rice is meant to be a holding player, but he wants to bomb on, but without the protection he gets at Aresenal.
I love these combined 11s before the Final where barely any Spanish players make the team.
That's exactly it. Each of these boys are very good with the right players and system behind them. They don't have that here.
It's honestly like they don't want to admit that they need the foreign lads with the actual game intelligence to run the show and allow them to just play their game as they want.
I dont watch a lot of soccerball, but couple of my kids have got really into it so finished up watching the final last night.
From a amateur fan pov, Spain were head and shoulders a better side.
Question I have is if the Premier League is the best league in the world, is it made that way because there are so many foreign players in it?
Great to see England beat mind :)
On a slightly separate note, the tactics are very similar to modern day intercounty football tactics. Maybe the new rule should be an offside rule? ;D
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 15, 2024, 10:16:36 AMI dont watch a lot of soccerball, but couple of my kids have got really into it so finished up watching the final last night.
From a amateur fan pov, Spain were head and shoulders a better side.
Question I have is if the Premier League is the best league in the world, is it made that way because there are so many foreign players in it?
Great to see England beat mind :)
On a slightly separate note, the tactics are very similar to modern day intercounty football tactics. Maybe the new rule should be an offside rule? ;D
The simple answer to that is yes.
Technically the Spanish players are miles ahead of England.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on July 15, 2024, 10:08:07 AMIt's honestly like they don't want to admit that they need the foreign lads with the actual game intelligence to run the show and allow them to just play their game as they want.
I think that's exactly what's happening and has been for years.
Quote from: gallsman on July 15, 2024, 07:52:44 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on July 15, 2024, 02:34:31 AMQuote from: dec on July 15, 2024, 02:33:09 AMCopa America final kickoff delayed because ticket less game rushed the gates.
who cares
Big lad had a few pints.
Three tournaments in a row for Argentina now. The work Scaloni has done had been incredible. Messi still has value for them, but I hope they're able to let him go once that stops and we don't see him embarrassing himself in a tournament the way Ronaldo did this year.
Thought everyone be too busy celebrating the Spaniards :D
Not the only one but jeepers Foden had an awful tournament...fecker does it week in, week out for city but was no where to be seen for England
Really good first half against Holland but that was it. I don't think the way the midfield is setup suits too many of them.
Quote from: gawa316 on July 15, 2024, 03:06:23 PMNot the only one but jeepers Foden had an awful tournament...fecker does it week in, week out for city but was no where to be seen for England
Rice was unbelievably poor and Bellingham wasn't much better other than his one moment of genius. Southgate is and always has been a rubbish coach but the players have been way below par too. I'm just enjoying the media ganging up on Southgate the same media that thought he was the messiah when he was doing the exact same thing maybe even worse in 2018
The English players are over hyped. They've convinced themselves that pound for pound they have the best players. Really? Any better than Portugal, France, Germany, even Belgium? And of course Spain who passed them off the park. Add in a duff manager and they are set up to fail.
Quite a few of them found out at this tournament as well: Walker dreadful. Rice, the epitome of over-rated. Bellingham, too busy thinking about the cameras.
As for Kane, I'm convinced that not for the first time, he's made himself available when he isn't fit.
Quote from: gallsman on July 15, 2024, 07:52:44 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on July 15, 2024, 02:34:31 AMQuote from: dec on July 15, 2024, 02:33:09 AMCopa America final kickoff delayed because ticket less game rushed the gates.
who cares
Big lad had a few pints.
Three tournaments in a row for Argentina now. The work Scaloni has done had been incredible. Messi still has value for them, but I hope they're able to let him go once that stops and we don't see him embarrassing himself in a tournament the way Ronaldo did this year.
Messi was in tears when taken off injured. Last match for his country or felt that injury would stop them winning?
Was a plus for Argentina and their management to win that final without Messi on the field.
Quote from: gawa316 on July 15, 2024, 03:06:23 PMNot the only one but jeepers Foden had an awful tournament...fecker does it week in, week out for city but was no where to be seen for England
In the past France dropped Griezmann back into MF to dictate play, and Argentina dropped Messi back for the same during the last WC, but England persisted with a failed mix between park the bus and up-and-at-em, they had too many looking to play the '10' role which they believe is code for being handed the ball from others hard work and making things happen. In the end the back 5-6 were left doing all the work while Bellingham Foden Kane in particular got a free pass
A few things that seemed to stand out
- Rice while very industrious lacks guile, and by that I mean it takes him too long to get the ball out of his feet and to pass it on, his range of passing is also rather limited
- Pickford has an erection for booting leather off the ball
- Bellingham plays for himself
- Kane is either finished or carrying an injury or both, at some point the manager or player himself should have started other options for the good of the team but they didn't, flashbacks of Kane playing the CL Final for Spurs while injured and being absolutely dung
The really messed up not bringing Grealish, he's a powerhouse of a man and could have played centre midfield with ease, far more experienced and a major upgrade on Rice Mainoo Gallagher Trent in that position
Spain worthy winners in the end, a case of what could have been for England
Quote from: tiempo on July 15, 2024, 04:12:38 PMQuote from: gawa316 on July 15, 2024, 03:06:23 PMNot the only one but jeepers Foden had an awful tournament...fecker does it week in, week out for city but was no where to be seen for England
In the past France dropped Griezmann back into MF to dictate play, and Argentina dropped Messi back for the same during the last WC, but England persisted with a failed mix between park the bus and up-and-at-em, they had too many looking to play the '10' role which they believe is code for being handed the ball from others hard work and making things happen. In the end the back 5-6 were left doing all the work while Bellingham Foden Kane in particular got a free pass
A few things that seemed to stand out
- Rice while very industrious lacks guile, and by that I mean it takes him too long to get the ball out of his feet and to pass it on, his range of passing is also rather limited
- Pickford has an erection for booting leather off the ball
- Bellingham plays for himself
- Kane is either finished or carrying an injury or both, at some point the manager or player himself should have started other options for the good of the team but they didn't, flashbacks of Kane playing the CL Final for Spurs while injured and being absolutely dung
The really messed up not bringing Grealish, he's a powerhouse of a man and could have played centre midfield with ease, far more experienced and a major upgrade on Rice Mainoo Gallagher Trent in that position
Spain worthy winners in the end, a case of what could have been for England
;D
Fierce man for driving it long alright, does the same for Everton.
Elephant in the room was Kane, offered nothing in open play so no outball when England did have a bit of possession.
Every bit as untouchable as Ronaldo and Portugal, but English press won't see that.
Cucurella will be smiling all season when the PL kicks off again.
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on July 15, 2024, 03:35:33 PMQuote from: gawa316 on July 15, 2024, 03:06:23 PMNot the only one but jeepers Foden had an awful tournament...fecker does it week in, week out for city but was no where to be seen for England
Rice was unbelievably poor and Bellingham wasn't much better other than his one moment of genius. Southgate is and always has been a rubbish coach but the players have been way below par too. I'm just enjoying the media ganging up on Southgate the same media that thought he was the messiah when he was doing the exact same thing maybe even worse in 2018
Rice got away with murder in the penalty box, dragging opponents down on at least two occasions without penalties being awarded. Added to that, shouldn't have been in final anyway. Was no foul on Kane for the penalty, and Saka handled it in box a second before. Ref was abysmal in that game.
There was comments on X that if England had won, Jack Grealish would be this generation's Jimmy Greaves. I don't think Grealish has tweeted since the English squad was announced in early June. He opted for Wimbledon yesterday. I wonder if he will ever play for England again. His stock might have risen again after the way they played.
Quote from: weareros on July 15, 2024, 05:42:37 PMThere was comments on X that if England had won, Jack Grealish would be this generation's Jimmy Greaves. I don't think Grealish has tweeted since the English squad was announced in early June. He opted for Wimbledon yesterday. I wonder if he will ever play for England again. His stock might have risen again after the way they played.
I wouldn't worry about Jack. It's a while since he worried about us.
Foden, Kane and Bellingham were all way below par and the question is why? Was it the long seasons they all played or injurues they carried into the tournament?
Long season for all those players...
England got a handy draw as things panned out, that lead them to a team with a higher ranking which ultimately beat them.
Said before, this is nowhere near the best English team for many a year.
Not sure if Southgate will do anything in the PL
Southgate has resigned.
Hot favourites for the world cup now...
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 16, 2024, 11:13:32 AMHot favourites for the world cup now...
they do have good players and a proper manager could get them over the line so let's hope it's a Southgate Mark 2 appointment.
A good manager would still not be able to get all the stars crammed into the starting 11. Then they will be on the back foot straight away.
We want Trent!, etc.
Plus, when you look at some of the players who stepped up, there is no guarantee of Watkins, Palmer and more producing year on year.
They still have no left back coming through either.
Who will bec next?
Big Sam?
Quote from: clarshack on July 16, 2024, 11:21:09 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on July 16, 2024, 11:13:32 AMHot favourites for the world cup now...
they do have good players and a proper manager could get them over the line so let's hope it's a Southgate Mark 2 appointment.
They're a collection of individuals - I don't think the players are as good as made out(or close).
I always thought we punched above our weight and were always better than the sum of our parts(north and south tbf). I don't ever remember an england team who could be accused of that...
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 16, 2024, 11:13:32 AMHot favourites for the world cup now...
It's theirs to lose ;D
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on July 16, 2024, 11:32:44 AMA good manager would still not be able to get all the stars crammed into the starting 11. Then they will be on the back foot straight away.
We want Trent!, etc.
Plus, when you look at some of the players who stepped up, there is no guarantee of Watkins, Palmer and more producing year on year.
They still have no left back coming through either.
On a side note it is criminal they didn't start Trent. Their right flank left exposed by Big Daddy for both goals in the final and Spain capitalised.
I'd say Newcastle would be happy enough to let Eddie Howe go, and he'd tick the boxes for the FA.
Quote from: Sportacus on July 16, 2024, 12:22:52 PMI'd say Newcastle would be happy enough to let Eddie Howe go, and he'd tick the boxes for the FA.
Would cost the FA 7 million and they would have to match his wages, not sure you'd leave for less?
Graham Potter I would imagine will be a contender.
Quote from: clarshack on July 16, 2024, 11:21:09 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on July 16, 2024, 11:13:32 AMHot favourites for the world cup now...
they do have good players and a proper manager could get them over the line so let's hope it's a Southgate Mark 2 appointment.
This one baffles me. When I think of the nations who expect to be challenging I think of a different managerial skillset to club management. The example I always think of is Joachim Löw. A mediocre club managerial CV, then 15 years with the German team winning a single world cup. After that, nothing.
England don't need Klopp and Klopp doesn't need England.
I hope they do go all out for a 'name' as its sure to end in tears, until they find or develop a player to stand in the middle of the pitch and dictate the game they'll hit that glass ceiling again and again.
You'd be as well going for some sort of unknown Icelandic part time dentist for the craic
Klopp and Poch the two names I'm seeing most that the England fans want
Quote from: tiempo on July 16, 2024, 02:23:20 PMQuote from: clarshack on July 16, 2024, 11:21:09 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on July 16, 2024, 11:13:32 AMHot favourites for the world cup now...
they do have good players and a proper manager could get them over the line so let's hope it's a Southgate Mark 2 appointment.
This one baffles me. When I think of the nations who expect to be challenging I think of a different managerial skillset to club management. The example I always think of is Joachim Löw. A mediocre club managerial CV, then 15 years with the German team winning a single world cup. After that, nothing.
England don't need Klopp and Klopp doesn't need England.
I hope they do go all out for a 'name' as its sure to end in tears, until they find or develop a player to stand in the middle of the pitch and dictate the game they'll hit that glass ceiling again and again.
You'd be as well going for some sort of unknown Icelandic part time dentist for the craic
Rumour has it he's only filling in
Next England manager odds.
Graham Potter 6/4
Lee Carsley 3/1
Eddie Howe 2/1
Jurgen Klopp 10/1
Mauricio Pochettino 11/1
Thomas Tuchel 18/1
Frank Lampard 20/1
Marcelo Bielsa 20/1
Michael Carrick 33/1
Ralf Rangnick 33/1
Jose Mourinho 40/1
Pep Guardiola 40/1
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer 40/1
The rest 50/1 or more
England need a manager who'll set up a team to play attractive and on the front foot attacking play to get bums off seats. A manager to let the players express themselves on the field. They need Stephen Kenny
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 16, 2024, 12:00:29 PMQuote from: Captain Scarlet on July 16, 2024, 11:32:44 AMA good manager would still not be able to get all the stars crammed into the starting 11. Then they will be on the back foot straight away.
We want Trent!, etc.
Plus, when you look at some of the players who stepped up, there is no guarantee of Watkins, Palmer and more producing year on year.
They still have no left back coming through either.
On a side note it is criminal they didn't start Trent. Their right flank left exposed by Big Daddy for both goals in the final and Spain capitalised.
In fairness the bauld Trent is well able to defend badly at the back stick too!
It's just where you play 3 at the back and still don't bring him in as a passer. But sure if Kane isn't fit to move then you miss the point of him anyway.
Like I said Rio and the like throw out names all day, but must want 13 lads on the field because he won't drop anyone either!
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 15, 2024, 05:47:45 PMQuote from: weareros on July 15, 2024, 05:42:37 PMThere was comments on X that if England had won, Jack Grealish would be this generation's Jimmy Greaves. I don't think Grealish has tweeted since the English squad was announced in early June. He opted for Wimbledon yesterday. I wonder if he will ever play for England again. His stock might have risen again after the way they played.
I wouldn't worry about Jack. It's a while since he worried about us.
Right you be. Mainly a bit of the old schadenfreude on my part.
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 16, 2024, 03:25:45 PMNext England manager odds.
Graham Potter 6/4
Lee Carsley 3/1
Eddie Howe 2/1
Jurgen Klopp 10/1
Mauricio Pochettino 11/1
Thomas Tuchel 18/1
Frank Lampard 20/1
Marcelo Bielsa 20/1
Michael Carrick 33/1
Ralf Rangnick 33/1
Jose Mourinho 40/1
Pep Guardiola 40/1
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer 40/1
The rest 50/1 or more
Like the look of that Lampard lad!
Quote from: Look-Up! on July 16, 2024, 05:38:36 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on July 16, 2024, 03:25:45 PMNext England manager odds.
Graham Potter 6/4
Lee Carsley 3/1
Eddie Howe 2/1
Jurgen Klopp 10/1
Mauricio Pochettino 11/1
Thomas Tuchel 18/1
Frank Lampard 20/1
Marcelo Bielsa 20/1
Michael Carrick 33/1
Ralf Rangnick 33/1
Jose Mourinho 40/1
Pep Guardiola 40/1
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer 40/1
The rest 50/1 or more
Like the look of that Lampard lad!
if potter gets it not be long to the media on top of him referencing couldn't manage the big egos at Chelsea.
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 16, 2024, 12:00:29 PMQuote from: Captain Scarlet on July 16, 2024, 11:32:44 AMA good manager would still not be able to get all the stars crammed into the starting 11. Then they will be on the back foot straight away.
We want Trent!, etc.
Plus, when you look at some of the players who stepped up, there is no guarantee of Watkins, Palmer and more producing year on year.
They still have no left back coming through either.
On a side note it is criminal they didn't start Trent. Their right flank left exposed by Big Daddy for both goals in the final and Spain capitalised.
Somehow picked in the official team of the tournament too. He was pretty poor throughout.
Quote from: tiempo on July 16, 2024, 02:23:20 PMuntil they find or develop a player to stand in the middle of the pitch and dictate the game they'll hit that glass ceiling again and again.
Nail on head.
You'll be extremely fortunate to win anything without being unable to keep the ball.
Too many show ponies that go for the killer pass with every pass rather than keeping the ball.
Been the same problem for decades.