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Title: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: GAABoardMod5 on May 13, 2024, 01:05:36 AM
Group 2

18/19 May: Mayo v Cavan

25/26 May: Dublin v Roscommon

1/2 June: Roscommon v Mayo, Cavan v Dublin

15/16 June (Neutral venue): Dublin v Mayo, Roscommon v Cavan
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: GAABoardMod5 on May 13, 2024, 01:40:33 AM
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Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: highorlow on May 13, 2024, 09:52:32 AM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on May 13, 2024, 01:05:36 AMGroup 2

18/19 May: Mayo v Cavan

25/26 May: Dublin v Roscommon

1/2 June: Roscommon v Mayo, Cavan v Dublin

15/16 June (Neutral venue): Dublin v Mayo, Roscommon v Cavan


Typo in that, it'll be Dublin (home) v Mayo, the GAA need their coin and know our county folk will cave in and accept Croker
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: JoG2 on May 13, 2024, 10:14:04 AM
Quote from: highorlow on May 13, 2024, 09:52:32 AM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on May 13, 2024, 01:05:36 AMGroup 2

18/19 May: Mayo v Cavan

25/26 May: Dublin v Roscommon

1/2 June: Roscommon v Mayo, Cavan v Dublin

15/16 June (Neutral venue): Dublin v Mayo, Roscommon v Cavan


Typo in that, it'll be Dublin (home) v Mayo, the GAA need their coin and know our county folk will cave in and accept Croker

They didn't have 2 games in Croke Park last year in the group stages. The game could be played the Gaelic Grounds, would house a big crowd
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: Rossfan on May 13, 2024, 11:13:38 AM
These are Group games so a Rhubarbs/Jackeens game won't cross 20,000.
Hyde Park the obvious location.........so it will be in Breffni.
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: Blowitupref on May 14, 2024, 03:32:11 PM
Saturday May 25th Dublin v Roscommon, Croke Park, 5pm, GAAGO
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: GoldCoastRossie on May 14, 2024, 04:32:31 PM
That's a rubbish time for the game. 2 Soccer cup finals on at 3 and rugby at 2.45 the same day. if any go to extra time, Croker will be empty !
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: Rossfan on May 14, 2024, 05:14:49 PM
If silly eejits want to be stuck watching fantasy games on TV instead of being out in the air watching real people playing our national games......
I know where I'll be from 3pm that afternoon.
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: GoldCoastRossie on May 14, 2024, 05:26:02 PM
I'm happy to put on a small bet the game will not throw at 5pm !

If the GAA want casual fans to go then it's a stupid time. I'll be there as always for a Roscommon game but I'll be watching something else before hand having a pint. Will 15k even attend the game ?

There was 30K at the game last year and it included the Dublin v Galway Leinster hurling game. There was a decent smattering of maroon around Croke Park that day.
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: Rossfan on May 14, 2024, 05:45:06 PM
A Group game and us not going well was going to be under 20k at it anyway.
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: Cunny Funt on May 14, 2024, 06:12:56 PM
Quote from: GoldCoastRossie on May 14, 2024, 05:26:02 PMI'm happy to put on a small bet the game will not throw at 5pm !



You'll lose that bet as HQ are not known for changing set throw in times for other sports.

Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: Gael85 on May 14, 2024, 07:19:11 PM
Quote from: GoldCoastRossie on May 14, 2024, 05:26:02 PMI'm happy to put on a small bet the game will not throw at 5pm !

If the GAA want casual fans to go then it's a stupid time. I'll be there as always for a Roscommon game but I'll be watching something else before hand having a pint. Will 15k even attend the game ?

There was 30K at the game last year and it included the Dublin v Galway Leinster hurling game. There was a decent smattering of maroon around Croke Park that day.

Attendance won't be great. A round of Dublin club games Division 1-4 fixed for 6-30 that evening.
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: Armagh18 on May 14, 2024, 08:58:29 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on May 14, 2024, 07:19:11 PM
Quote from: GoldCoastRossie on May 14, 2024, 05:26:02 PMI'm happy to put on a small bet the game will not throw at 5pm !

If the GAA want casual fans to go then it's a stupid time. I'll be there as always for a Roscommon game but I'll be watching something else before hand having a pint. Will 15k even attend the game ?

There was 30K at the game last year and it included the Dublin v Galway Leinster hurling game. There was a decent smattering of maroon around Croke Park that day.

Attendance won't be great. A round of Dublin club games Division 1-4 fixed for 6-30 that evening.
Poor form by Dublin CB.
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: Gael85 on May 14, 2024, 09:10:10 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 14, 2024, 08:58:29 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on May 14, 2024, 07:19:11 PM
Quote from: GoldCoastRossie on May 14, 2024, 05:26:02 PMI'm happy to put on a small bet the game will not throw at 5pm !

If the GAA want casual fans to go then it's a stupid time. I'll be there as always for a Roscommon game but I'll be watching something else before hand having a pint. Will 15k even attend the game ?

There was 30K at the game last year and it included the Dublin v Galway Leinster hurling game. There was a decent smattering of maroon around Croke Park that day.

Attendance won't be great. A round of Dublin club games Division 1-4 fixed for 6-30 that evening.
Poor form by Dublin CB.

They had a round of junior games on 3 mornings of Leinster championship games. With looking to have leagues wrapped before club championship no leeway to move games.
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: JoG2 on May 14, 2024, 09:56:58 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on May 14, 2024, 09:10:10 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 14, 2024, 08:58:29 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on May 14, 2024, 07:19:11 PM
Quote from: GoldCoastRossie on May 14, 2024, 05:26:02 PMI'm happy to put on a small bet the game will not throw at 5pm !

If the GAA want casual fans to go then it's a stupid time. I'll be there as always for a Roscommon game but I'll be watching something else before hand having a pint. Will 15k even attend the game ?

There was 30K at the game last year and it included the Dublin v Galway Leinster hurling game. There was a decent smattering of maroon around Croke Park that day.

Attendance won't be great. A round of Dublin club games Division 1-4 fixed for 6-30 that evening.
Poor form by Dublin CB.

They had a round of junior games on 3 mornings of Leinster championship games. With looking to have leagues wrapped before club championship no leeway to move games.

Sunday?
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: Armagh18 on May 14, 2024, 10:01:37 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 14, 2024, 09:56:58 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on May 14, 2024, 09:10:10 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 14, 2024, 08:58:29 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on May 14, 2024, 07:19:11 PM
Quote from: GoldCoastRossie on May 14, 2024, 05:26:02 PMI'm happy to put on a small bet the game will not throw at 5pm !

If the GAA want casual fans to go then it's a stupid time. I'll be there as always for a Roscommon game but I'll be watching something else before hand having a pint. Will 15k even attend the game ?

There was 30K at the game last year and it included the Dublin v Galway Leinster hurling game. There was a decent smattering of maroon around Croke Park that day.

Attendance won't be great. A round of Dublin club games Division 1-4 fixed for 6-30 that evening.
Poor form by Dublin CB.

They had a round of junior games on 3 mornings of Leinster championship games. With looking to have leagues wrapped before club championship no leeway to move games.

Sunday?
League games with us are all on friday evenings now, any reason why that couldn't happen?
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: Gael85 on May 14, 2024, 10:10:40 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 14, 2024, 10:01:37 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 14, 2024, 09:56:58 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on May 14, 2024, 09:10:10 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 14, 2024, 08:58:29 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on May 14, 2024, 07:19:11 PM
Quote from: GoldCoastRossie on May 14, 2024, 05:26:02 PMI'm happy to put on a small bet the game will not throw at 5pm !

If the GAA want casual fans to go then it's a stupid time. I'll be there as always for a Roscommon game but I'll be watching something else before hand having a pint. Will 15k even attend the game ?

There was 30K at the game last year and it included the Dublin v Galway Leinster hurling game. There was a decent smattering of maroon around Croke Park that day.

Attendance won't be great. A round of Dublin club games Division 1-4 fixed for 6-30 that evening.
Poor form by Dublin CB.

They had a round of junior games on 3 mornings of Leinster championship games. With looking to have leagues wrapped before club championship no leeway to move games.

Sunday?
League games with us are all on friday evenings now, any reason why that couldn't happen?

Over the summer the lower end junior games are played on Monday night. Junior Divisons 5-8 Sunday mornings. Not sure why don't play on a Friday as pitches shouldn't be an issue. I'm sure players and referees want rather game out of the way than waiting for Sunday.
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: Dreadnought on May 17, 2024, 12:46:05 PM
very quiet on this thread. How are we seeing mayo and Cavan for Saturday? Could be a banana skin for Mayo. Coming off a loss, and Cavan are decent even without Lynch and would match up well across the field in a lot of places. Could be a tight one
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: Blowitupref on May 17, 2024, 02:14:12 PM
Mayo team two changes from the Connacht final starting team with Diarmuid O'Connor and Darren McHale coming in for Rory Brickenden and Fergal Boland. Paddy Durcan back from injury named among the subs.

Colm Reape
Jack Coyne, David McBrien, Donnacha McHugh
Stephen Coen, Sam Callinan, Eoghan McLaughlin
Mattie Ruane, Diarmuid O'Connor
Jack Carney, Darren McHale, Jordan Flynn
Aidan O'Shea, Tommy Conroy, Ryan O'Donoghue.

Subs: Rob Hennelly, Fergal Boland, Rory Brickenden, Paddy Durcan, Enda Hession, Conor Loftus, Conor McStay, Cillian O'Connor, Padraig O'Hora, Paul Towey, Bob Tuohy.


Cavan three changes from the extra time loss to Tyrone.  With L Fortune,P Lynch,C Madden out and in J Smith,Cormac O'Reilly, Caoimhín O'Reilly.

Gary O'Rourke
Cian Reilly, Killian Brady, Brian O'Connell
Padraig Faulkner, Niall Carolan, Conor Brady
James Smith, Oisín Kiernan
Ciarán Brady, Gerard Smith, Oisin Kiernan
Oisín Brady, Cormac O'Reilly, Caoimhín O'Reilly.

Subs: Liam Brady, Mark Magee, Luke Fortune, Paddy Meade, Killian Clarke, Ryan Brady, Conor Rehill, Jason McLoughlin, Tiarnan Madden, Cian Madden, Darragh Lovet
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: statto on May 17, 2024, 03:37:21 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 17, 2024, 02:14:12 PMMayo team two changes from the Connacht final starting team with Diarmuid O'Connor and Darren McHale coming in for Rory Brickenden and Fergal Boland. Paddy Durcan back from injury named among the subs.

Colm Reape
Jack Coyne, David McBrien, Donnacha McHugh
Stephen Coen, Sam Callinan, Eoghan McLaughlin
Mattie Ruane, Diarmuid O'Connor
Jack Carney, Darren McHale, Jordan Flynn
Aidan O'Shea, Tommy Conroy, Ryan O'Donoghue.

Subs: Rob Hennelly, Fergal Boland, Rory Brickenden, Paddy Durcan, Enda Hession, Conor Loftus, Conor McStay, Cillian O'Connor, Padraig O'Hora, Paul Towey, Bob Tuohy.


Cavan three changes from the extra time loss to Tyrone.  With L Fortune,P Lynch,C Madden out and in J Smith,Cormac O'Reilly, Caoimhín O'Reilly.

Gary O'Rourke
Cian Reilly, Killian Brady, Brian O'Connell
Padraig Faulkner, Niall Carolan, Conor Brady
James Smith, Oisín Kiernan
Ciarán Brady, Gerard Smith, Oisin Kiernan
Oisín Brady, Cormac O'Reilly, Caoimhín O'Reilly.

Subs: Liam Brady, Mark Magee, Luke Fortune, Paddy Meade, Killian Clarke, Ryan Brady, Conor Rehill, Jason McLoughlin, Tiarnan Madden, Cian Madden, Darragh Lovet

Surprised Boland dropped he was one of the real positives for Mayo year to date. 
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: square_ball on May 17, 2024, 03:41:55 PM
One for you Mayo ones - whats the deal with Stephen Coen? From watching Mayo over the years I can't see what he brings to the Mayo team and for an average player imo, he seems to play every single game.
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: statto on May 17, 2024, 03:44:14 PM
Quote from: square_ball on May 17, 2024, 03:41:55 PMOne for you Mayo ones - whats the deal with Stephen Coen? From watching Mayo over the years I can't see what he brings to the Mayo team and for an average player imo, he seems to play every single game.
I would agree he seemed to be a bit of a household player at Colleges level and gets regular starts in variety of positions not really sure what his strengths are/ role is within the Mayo setup. 
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: Wildweasel74 on May 17, 2024, 05:52:26 PM
He's not a bad player, but lacks one key element as this level, speed.
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: Blowitupref on May 18, 2024, 05:39:06 PM
Mayo 0-9 Cavan 0-5 at half time.  Comfortable win for Mayo 0-20 to 1-8
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: armaghniac on May 18, 2024, 07:17:42 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 18, 2024, 05:39:06 PMMayo 0-9 Cavan 0-5 at half time.  Comfortable win for Mayo 0-20 to 1-8

Connacht teams looking good.
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: Itchy on May 18, 2024, 08:06:30 PM
Cavan way way off the standard at this level unfortunately. That was no more than a challenge game for Mayo
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 18, 2024, 08:47:26 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 18, 2024, 08:06:30 PMCavan way way off the standard at this level unfortunately. That was no more than a challenge game for Mayo

Cavan have to be the most inconsistent team around at the moment? Last championship match able to bring Tyrone to extra time and today not able to give Mayo a decent game.  Tyrone and Mayo are around the same level.   In the league this year able to give Donegal a competitive match and then Cavan was truly useless against Armagh.

Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: From the Bunker on May 18, 2024, 09:05:53 PM
Ulster not as strong as it has been hyped up to be. Both Derry and Cavan put to the sword, and believe me both Galway and Mayo are no great shakes.
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: cavanmaniac on May 19, 2024, 01:44:05 PM
It was always going to come down to the game with Roscommon, for Cavan, and that hasn't and won't change, but the hope was we'd arrive there without too many scars and some confidence remaining. Who knows now what to expect from them on any given day? We're hideously inconsistent, often within games never mind from one to another, very mentally fragile and too content with moral victories, as shown by leaving a win behind us versus Tyrone. Any small degree of momentum from that is now in shreds. Mayo might not turn out to even be all that good, that's the scary thing, with Dublin waiting to annihilate us in second gear at Breffni - a game supporters will now understandably stay away from in droves? You try not to lapse into too much negativity and I know we've a new manager etc. but with all the gurus and back room geniuses we have, how in the hell did Cavan go out and turn in a dreadful display like that?
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: statto on May 19, 2024, 02:03:52 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 18, 2024, 09:05:53 PMUlster not as strong as it has been hyped up to be. Both Derry and Cavan put to the sword, and believe me both Galway and Mayo are no great shakes.
I would say competitive not strong.
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: Armagh18 on May 19, 2024, 02:17:42 PM
Derry away from home, down to 14 men early and missing a good few starters etc. Mad to think that we could beat them next week which would be their third championship defeat of the year but they could still make an all ireland final.
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: tonto1888 on May 20, 2024, 10:51:47 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 18, 2024, 09:05:53 PMUlster not as strong as it has been hyped up to be. Both Derry and Cavan put to the sword, and believe me both Galway and Mayo are no great shakes.

Not saying Ulster is as strong as it is hyped up to be but using Cavan is not te best way to make that point
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: Itchy on May 20, 2024, 03:21:42 PM
Quote from: cavanmaniac on May 19, 2024, 01:44:05 PMIt was always going to come down to the game with Roscommon, for Cavan, and that hasn't and won't change, but the hope was we'd arrive there without too many scars and some confidence remaining. Who knows now what to expect from them on any given day? We're hideously inconsistent, often within games never mind from one to another, very mentally fragile and too content with moral victories, as shown by leaving a win behind us versus Tyrone. Any small degree of momentum from that is now in shreds. Mayo might not turn out to even be all that good, that's the scary thing, with Dublin waiting to annihilate us in second gear at Breffni - a game supporters will now understandably stay away from in droves? You try not to lapse into too much negativity and I know we've a new manager etc. but with all the gurus and back room geniuses we have, how in the hell did Cavan go out and turn in a dreadful display like that?

Cavan do not have scoring forwards. They had one in Paddy Lynch and he is gone now. The rest remaining are Div3 standard forwards. We then try to set up to run hard from deep but in the case of Mayo and get scrores from midfield and half back, that is where Mayos strengths also lie so we were never going to out run them in that department. I was expecting to be well beaten. Most disappointing for me was the poor show on our own kick outs, even with the wind. That was unforgivable.

Cavan can put it up to a lot of teams but Mayo, Dublin, Kerry - big physical athletic teams, we will not compete with them. Most worrying for us is the total lack of quality coming through at underage (if you go by our results). One win for our U20s this year v Antrim (who were dire) and 2 wins for our Minors against Antrim and Fermanagh. When the Cillian Clarkes, Padraig Faulkners, Gerry Smiths hand up their boots we will be back slumming it in Div 3.
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: cavanmaniac on May 20, 2024, 06:47:17 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 20, 2024, 03:21:42 PM
Quote from: cavanmaniac on May 19, 2024, 01:44:05 PMIt was always going to come down to the game with Roscommon, for Cavan, and that hasn't and won't change, but the hope was we'd arrive there without too many scars and some confidence remaining. Who knows now what to expect from them on any given day? We're hideously inconsistent, often within games never mind from one to another, very mentally fragile and too content with moral victories, as shown by leaving a win behind us versus Tyrone. Any small degree of momentum from that is now in shreds. Mayo might not turn out to even be all that good, that's the scary thing, with Dublin waiting to annihilate us in second gear at Breffni - a game supporters will now understandably stay away from in droves? You try not to lapse into too much negativity and I know we've a new manager etc. but with all the gurus and back room geniuses we have, how in the hell did Cavan go out and turn in a dreadful display like that?

Cavan can put it up to a lot of teams but Mayo, Dublin, Kerry - big physical athletic teams, we will not compete with them. Most worrying for us is the total lack of quality coming through at underage (if you go by our results). One win for our U20s this year v Antrim (who were dire) and 2 wins for our Minors against Antrim and Fermanagh. When the Cillian Clarkes, Padraig Faulkners, Gerry Smiths hand up their boots we will be back slumming it in Div 3.

I hope you're wrong but couldn't make a convincing case right now. Underage has gone to shite altogether but isn't helped by honorary/name recognition appointments like Larry at U20, who anyone could see from his club management efforts would bring little bar an outdated, infuriating blanket defence and the usual robotic over-thinking. He'll be still there next year, I presume? If Damien Donohoe did reasonably well there the years before, why not leave him at it? Or at least make a considered choice instead of just lazily going for the ex-county legend.

Minors fared marginally better this year but as always the good news of a very commendable display against Tyrone is tainted by the age-old failing of not being able to take the win that was there to be taken, and losing composure when victory beckoned. It doesn't happen with such regularity to other counties; these moral victories all speak to ingrained mental fragility in our players but at least Seanie Smith seemed to be aware of as much in his post match comments - the first step to fixing a problem being awareness it exists and all that, which is not something you see a lot of acknowledgement of from other county board figures.
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: Blowitupref on May 20, 2024, 08:02:36 PM
Mayo have confirmed captain Paddy Durcan has suffered a cruciate ligament injury, ruling him out for the remainder of the year.
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: JoG2 on May 20, 2024, 08:04:19 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 20, 2024, 08:02:36 PMMayo have confirmed captain Paddy Durcan has suffered a cruciate ligament injury, ruling him out for the remainder of the year.

Brutal.. A long road back
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: Cunny Funt on May 20, 2024, 08:22:56 PM
Awful news for Paddy Durcan hopefully a full recovery for him.  If one to name the top 15 to 20 players in the country at the moment arguably only two Mayo players (Paddy Durcan and Ryan O'Donoghue ) would be in the conversation.

 
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: Armagh18 on May 20, 2024, 09:04:56 PM
Sorry to read that, big fan of his and a massive blow to Mayo. Wishing him a full and speedy recovery.
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: Blowitupref on May 22, 2024, 10:48:09 PM
Round 2 games set for Saturday June 1st

Roscommon v Mayo in Dr Hyde Park at 5pm on GAAGO
Cavan v Dublin in Breffni Park at 7pm on GAAGO
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: imtommygunn on May 24, 2024, 10:20:42 AM
Is James McCarthy injured? I don't see him in the dubs panel and hasn't been about much this year.
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: twohands!!! on May 24, 2024, 10:47:36 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 24, 2024, 10:20:42 AMIs James McCarthy injured? I don't see him in the dubs panel and hasn't been about much this year.

I wouldn't be surprised if he was.
He was named to start for one of the Leinster games but didn't make any appearance.
Could well be a re-occurence/flare-up or some injury.
If he doesn't appear for the group games, he'll be up against it in terms of featuring in the knock-out stages given the lack of match practice but I could see Dessie possibly risking him in an emergency situation.
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: Blowitupref on May 24, 2024, 12:05:50 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 24, 2024, 10:20:42 AMIs James McCarthy injured? I don't see him in the dubs panel and hasn't been about much this year.

He played the full 70 minutes in the Leinster final.

Dublins 26

S Cluxton; E Murchan, M Fitzsimons, C Murphy; S MacMahon, J Small, S Bugler; B Fenton, T Lahiff; N Scully, C Costello, C Kilkenny; P Mannion, C O'Callaghan, C Basquel.

Subs: D O'Hanlon, T Clancy, B Howard, J McCaffrey, R McGarry, K McGinnis, D Newcombe, P Ó Cofaigh Byrne, L O'Dell, K O'Gara, P Small.

Roscommon

Conor Carroll, David Murray, Brian Stack, Niall Higgins, Niall Daly, Robbie Dolan, Eoin McCormack,Enda Smith, Tadhg O'Rourke, Dylan Ruane, Donie Smith, Ciaran Lennon,
Conor Cox, Daire Cregg, Diarmuid Murtagh

Subs - Colm Lavin, Patrick Gavin, Shane Cunnane, Ruaidhri Fallon, Ben O'Carroll, Cian Connolly, Ultan Harney, Keith Doyle, Conor Hussey, Adam McDermott, Conor Hand
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: Rossfan on May 24, 2024, 12:21:45 PM
Hope we can avoid a tanking....
Lost by 7 in League, the same again best we can hope for.
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: imtommygunn on May 24, 2024, 12:40:12 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on May 24, 2024, 10:47:36 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 24, 2024, 10:20:42 AMIs James McCarthy injured? I don't see him in the dubs panel and hasn't been about much this year.

I wouldn't be surprised if he was.
He was named to start for one of the Leinster games but didn't make any appearance.
Could well be a re-occurence/flare-up or some injury.
If he doesn't appear for the group games, he'll be up against it in terms of featuring in the knock-out stages given the lack of match practice but I could see Dessie possibly risking him in an emergency situation.

I think that's more or less what happened the year kerry beat them. Not having him is a big blow to the dubs.
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: Cunny Funt on May 24, 2024, 01:37:29 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 24, 2024, 12:21:45 PMHope we can avoid a tanking....
Lost by 7 in League, the same again best we can hope for.

The way Roscommon have been defending as team this year they'll probably do well to keep it to 7.  Bigger issue is the quick turnaround to next weekend against a rested Mayo. This type of scheduling needed adjustment last year and same goes for the four teams that reaches the last 8 via a play off and not having at least two weeks to prepare for important game.
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: weareros on May 24, 2024, 03:07:42 PM
I can understand provincial winners getting a home advantage first game but asking Ros to play Dublin and then a rested Mayo following Saturday is not a level playing field in the group stages. But then again sure that's nothing to be complainin' about - have you heard a Cork hurling game was not free to air and they had to watch on GAAGo? The tyranny.
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: From the Bunker on May 24, 2024, 05:01:06 PM
Quote from: weareros on May 24, 2024, 03:07:42 PMI can understand provincial winners getting a home advantage first game but asking Ros to play Dublin and then a rested Mayo following Saturday is not a level playing field in the group stages. But then again sure that's nothing to be complainin' about - have you heard a Cork hurling game was not free to air and they had to watch on GAAGo? The tyranny.

There's no such thing as a level playing field in the group stages. Group stages are designed for the Dublin's and the Kerry's. After that it is made as hard as possible for the chasing few.
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: highorlow on May 24, 2024, 05:03:31 PM
Hopefully Jarlath Burns will change this shitshow for next year, for both codes.
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: armaghniac on May 24, 2024, 05:22:50 PM
Quote from: weareros on May 24, 2024, 03:07:42 PMI can understand provincial winners getting a home advantage first game but asking Ros to play Dublin and then a rested Mayo following Saturday is not a level playing field in the group stages. But then again sure that's nothing to be complainin' about - have you heard a Cork hurling game was not free to air and they had to watch on GAAGo? The tyranny.

The issue here is a that all Provincial finals are not on the same weekend and that is because they are all guaranteed to be on TV and in theory people want to see them. of course, people have an interest in the Ulster final most years, and the Connacht final some years, the other two are not very interesting.
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: Tubberman on May 24, 2024, 07:27:25 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 24, 2024, 05:22:50 PM
Quote from: weareros on May 24, 2024, 03:07:42 PMI can understand provincial winners getting a home advantage first game but asking Ros to play Dublin and then a rested Mayo following Saturday is not a level playing field in the group stages. But then again sure that's nothing to be complainin' about - have you heard a Cork hurling game was not free to air and they had to watch on GAAGo? The tyranny.

The issue here is a that all Provincial finals are not on the same weekend and that is because they are all guaranteed to be on TV and in theory people want to see them. of course, people have an interest in the Ulster final most years, and the Connacht final some years, the other two are not very interesting.

They should put Leinster and Munster finals on the Sat, and Connacht and Ulster on the Sun of the same weekend.
Possible clashes with big Munster hurling games, but that seems to be inevitable regardless.
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: onefineday on May 25, 2024, 08:35:53 AM
So what's the thinking re attendance at today's potential classic? Tough timing given competing attractions in rugby and soccer and I'm sure there's more than a few people like myself who attended last year's version who have decided to give this a miss.
They're predicting 25k, but I wonder how many will actually pass through the turnstiles - sub 20k?
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: Blowitupref on May 25, 2024, 05:44:09 PM
Decent competitive half in Croke Park with some fine scores from play. Dublin 0-10 Roscommon 0-9

Dublin showed their clash in the end to win by 12 but a harsh scoreline on Roscommon when you consider it was 0-17 to 0-13 on 65 minutes and they missed to frees just before Dublin got their first goal.
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: thewobbler on May 25, 2024, 06:37:58 PM
Quote from: weareros on May 24, 2024, 03:07:42 PMI can understand provincial winners getting a home advantage first game but asking Ros to play Dublin and then a rested Mayo following Saturday is not a level playing field in the group stages. But then again sure that's nothing to be complainin' about - have you heard a Cork hurling game was not free to air and they had to watch on GAAGo? The tyranny.

County football isn't fair full stop. You could f**k around with championship structures and dates every year for the rest of your life, but for as long as the bigger counties get multiple bites of the cherry, then the smaller counties will get no closer to winning Sam.

——-

Croke Park should be a concert venue only at this time of year. Every game hosted in it looks like an old women's FA cup final ie crap.
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: Rossfan on May 25, 2024, 11:49:39 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 25, 2024, 05:44:09 PMDecent competitive half in Croke Park with some fine scores from play. Dublin 0-10 Roscommon 0-9

Dublin showed their clash in the end to win by 12 but a harsh scoreline on Roscommon when you consider it was 0-17 to 0-13 on 65 minutes and they missed to frees just before Dublin got their first goal.
They blew us away last few minutes as we ran out of steam.
5 or 6 points margin would be more like it.
We gave it a good shot for 55 minutes or so.
Cox had a great game, some excellent scores by Diarmuid and Daire too.
Higgins abd McCormack great men to drive forward.
On to the biggest game of the season next Saturday against that crowd.
We cant have them batin us 3 times  in the one year!!
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: onefineday on May 25, 2024, 11:58:42 PM
Quote from: onefineday on May 25, 2024, 08:35:53 AMSo what's the thinking re attendance at today's potential classic? Tough timing given competing attractions in rugby and soccer and I'm sure there's more than a few people like myself who attended last year's version who have decided to give this a miss.
They're predicting 25k, but I wonder how many will actually pass through the turnstiles - sub 20k?
Official attendance not given apparently, but I heard them estimate less than 10,000 on rte radio.
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: Rossfan on May 26, 2024, 12:09:25 AM
If only 7,000 jackeens want to see their only (officially) home Championship game of the year let them at it.
It was their choice of venue.
Meanwhile Ballybofey was packed.
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: manfromdelmonte on May 26, 2024, 01:35:32 PM
What did the Roscommon player get a black card for? It looked like he was pulled down by the Dublin player
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: Blowitupref on May 26, 2024, 02:39:17 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 26, 2024, 01:35:32 PMWhat did the Roscommon player get a black card for? It looked like he was pulled down by the Dublin player

Was coming together of two players I don't think it was even yellow card offence never mind a black card. Not the first time that ref Derek O'Mahoney has handed out odd black card.
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: The Hill is Blue on May 26, 2024, 04:36:51 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 26, 2024, 02:39:17 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 26, 2024, 01:35:32 PMWhat did the Roscommon player get a black card for? It looked like he was pulled down by the Dublin player

Was coming together of two players I don't think it was even yellow card offence never mind a black card. Not the first time that ref Derek O'Mahoney has handed out odd black card.

From the Hill it was clear that after the ball was played the Roscommon player extended his arm across the Dublin player's chest to prevent him following the play. They then tangled and ended up on the ground. It was a clear black card.
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: Blowitupref on May 26, 2024, 04:47:43 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on May 26, 2024, 04:36:51 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 26, 2024, 02:39:17 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 26, 2024, 01:35:32 PMWhat did the Roscommon player get a black card for? It looked like he was pulled down by the Dublin player

Was coming together of two players I don't think it was even yellow card offence never mind a black card. Not the first time that ref Derek O'Mahoney has handed out odd black card.

From the Hill it was clear that after the ball was played the Roscommon player extended his arm across the Dublin player's chest to prevent him following the play. They then tangled and ended up on the ground. It was a clear black card.

Needs to be deliberate body collide for it to be deemed a black which IMO wasn't the case in that incident. 
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: Rossfan on May 31, 2024, 12:30:55 PM
If we could stick our noses in to this Group 1 forum.... ;D

2 handy wins for Jackeens and Rhubarbs is the consensus no doubt.
Hopefully this where we announce our return to the relatively high ranks!
We can't let these crowd bate us 3 times in 1 year!!

Bigger picture though..Looking at the other groups apart from having to take a bus trip there's not a lot of differ between finishing 2nd or 3rd.
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: Blowitupref on May 31, 2024, 01:00:06 PM
One change for Mayo. Diarmuid O'Connor out injured, Aidan O'Shea restored to starting team after he was on the bench against Cavan.

Colm Reape (Knockmore)
Jack Coyne (Ballyhaunis)
David McBrien (Ballaghaderreen)
Donnacha McHugh (Castlebar Mitchels)
Stephen Coen (Hollymount Carramore)
Sam Callinan (Ballina Stephenites)
Eoghan McLaughlin (Westport)
Jack Carney (Kilmeena)
Matthew Ruane (Breaffy)
Darren McHale (Knockmore)
Ryan O'Donoghue (Béal an Mhuirthead)
Jordan Flynn (Crossmolina Deel Rovers)
Aidan O'Shea (Breaffy)
Tommy Conroy (The Neale)
Cillian O'Connor (Ballintubber)

SUBS:

Rob Hennelly (Raheny) Fergal Boland (Aghamore) Diarmuid Duffy (Ballinrobe) Enda Hession (Garrymore)
Conor Loftus (Crossmolina Deel Rovers) Conor McStay (Ballina Stephenites) Eoin O'Donoghue (Béal an Mhuirthead)
Pádraig O'Hora (Ballina Stephenites) Michael Plunkett (Ballintubber) Paul Towey (Charlestown Sarsfields) Bob Tuohy (Castlebar Mitchels)



Roscommon going with the same team that started against Dublin, risky with a 7 day turnaround? Ben O'Carroll ruled out through injury is a blow.

Conor Carroll (Oranmore Maree)
David Murray (Padraig Pearses)
Brian Stack (St Brigids)
Niall Higgins (Elphin)
Niall Daly (Padraig Pearses)
Robbie Dolan (St Brigids)
Eoin McCormack (St Dominics)
Enda Smith (Boyle)
Tadhg O'Rourke (Tulsk)
Dylan Ruane (Michael Glaveys)
Donie Smith (Boyle)
Ciaran Lennon (Clann na nGael)
Conor Cox (Eire OG)
Daire Cregg (Boyle)
Diarmuid Murtagh (St Faithleachs)

Subs - Colm Lavin (Eire OG) Patrick Gavin (Clann na nGael) Shane Cunnane (St Brigids) Ruaidhri Fallon (St Brigids) Ronan Daly (Padraig Pearses) Cian Connolly (Roscommon Gaels) Ultan Harney (Clann na NGael) Keith Doyle (St Dominics) Conor Hussey (Michael Glaveys) Adam McDermott (Castlerea) Conor Hand (St Brigids)
Title: Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 2 - Dublin, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan
Post by: Itchy on May 31, 2024, 06:30:58 PM
Roscommon have every chance of beating Mayo. Dublin and Cavan likely to be a very ugly score for us. Too many injuries to important players for Cavan and no depth in the squad.