Group 4 fixtures:
18 May: Kerry v Monaghan
25/26 May: Louth v Meath
1/2 June: Monaghan v Louth, Meath v Kerry
15/16 June (Neutral venue): Kerry v Louth, Monaghan v Meath
Home Venues shall be subject to approval by the Central Competitions Control Committee and shall meet the criteria set down by the National Facilities/Health and Safety Committee.
Teams will be awarded two points for a win and one point for a draw.
Preliminary Quarter-Finals
22-23.06.2024 (Sat/Sun)
The four second-placed teams from Round 1 (Group Stage) shall be drawn to play at home against the four third-placed teams, subject in the first instance to the avoidance of repeat Provincial Final pairings and where possible repeat pairings from Round 1.
Home Venues shall be subject to approval by the Central Competitions Control Committee and shall meet the criteria set down by the National Facilities/Health and Safety Committee.
Quarter-Finals
29-30.06.2024 (Sat/Sun)
The four first-place teams from Round 1 (Group Stage) shall be drawn to play against the four Preliminary Quarter-Finals winners, subject in the first instance to the avoidance of repeat Provincial Final pairings and where possible repeat pairings from Round 1 (Group Stage).
Semi-Finals
13-14.07.2024 (Sat/Sun)
The four quarter-final winners shall play against each other in the Semi-Final based on a draw, subject to the avoidance of repeat pairings from the championship, where possible.
Final
28.07.2024 (Sun) | (Replay: 10.08.2024 (Sat))
The winners of the All-Ireland Semi-Finals shall meet in the All-Ireland Final.
Venues
Venues for the All-Ireland Quarter-Finals, Semi-Finals and Final shall be determined by the Central Competitions Control Committee.
Winner on the Day
The All-Ireland Football Preliminary Quarter-Finals, Quarter-Finals & Semi-Finals will be Winner on the Day. The All-Ireland Final will have Extra time in the original fixture and will be Winner on the Day in the event of a replay only.
The following regulations shall govern the GAA Senior Inter-County Championships (Rule 6.12 (k) T.O. 2023):
If a Team is Disqualified or Retires
• If a team is disqualified or retired during the course of the League Stage, its played Games shall still stand and its unplayed Games shall be awarded to the Opposing Teams
When Teams finish with equal points for Qualification for the Concluding Stages, the tie shall be decided by the following means and in the order specified:
(i) Where two Teams only are involved - the outcome of the meeting of the two Teams in the previous game in the Competition;
(ii) Scoring Difference (subtracting the total Scores Against from total Scores For);
(iii) Highest Total Score For;
(iv) Highest Total Goals For;
(v) A Play-Off
In the event that two teams or more finish with equal points, but have been affected by a disqualification, loss of game on a proven objection, retirement or walkover, the tie shall be decided by the following means:
(i) Least number of Walkovers given.
(ii) Score Difference from the games in which only the teams involved, (teams tied on points), have played each other (subtracting the total Scores Against from the total Scores For)
(iii) Highest Total Score For, in which only the teams involved have played each other, and have finished equal in (ii)
(iv) Highest Total Goals For, in which only the teams involved have played each other, and have finished equal in (ii) & (iii)
(v) A Play-Off
Have we any idea when they'll confirm times etc? Trying to plan a trip but don't want to confirm until this is announced...
Saturday 25th Louth v Meath, Grattan Park, Inniskeen, 5.30pm
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 14, 2024, 03:35:59 PMSaturday 25th Louth v Meath, Grattan Park, Inniskeen, 5.30pm
There might be a right few Louth people going to that, having put on a decent show at the weekend. They might have fitted in a few more had they used Crossmaglen or Newry, but I suppose the latter is needed for Down games.
Hard to know what way it'll go. Monaghan have had a long rest as have we but they're on a bit of a downturn. We beat Louth in the league but if you compare the games against Dublin you'd put them ahead of us. Kerry clear winners of this group.
These 3 games will be the summation of O'Rourkes term. Now is the time to prove his worth, this is what we've been building towards. Now is the time to perform, to show what we're made of, no holding back, no more talk of building. This is it now. Let's see.
I've a feeling Louth and especially Monaghan will cause Kerry loads of problems.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 14, 2024, 11:13:03 PMI've a feeling Louth and especially Monaghan will cause Kerry loads of problems.
Well given your Kerry connections ;D ;D ;D, you would surely know that.
Time to move to your next alias
Kerry are the one team this year who I've felt have been playing their cards very close to their chest, that or they've just been pretty poor. Seeing that's it's Kerry we'll have to give them the benefit of the doubt I suppose. I remember thinking Derry had moved ahead of them in the pecking order but the league really is just the league. I'd be tempted to back them for the AI at this stage- not that it would be a huge shock if they won.
Quote from: bennydorano on May 15, 2024, 09:46:06 AMKerry are the one team this year who I've felt have been playing their cards very close to their chest, that or they've just been pretty poor. Seeing that's it's Kerry we'll have to give them the benefit of the doubt I suppose. I remember thinking Derry had moved ahead of them in the pecking order but the league reslly is just the league. I'd be tempted to back them for the AI at this stage- not that it would be a huge shock if they won.
Joe Kernan said last week that the the only serious teams were Dublin, Armagh, Derry, Mayo and Galway. We needn't worry about the likes of Donegal and Kerry for Sam, although they are nice to visit.
Quote from: Kernan_is_King on May 15, 2024, 10:12:48 AMQuote from: bennydorano on May 15, 2024, 09:46:06 AMKerry are the one team this year who I've felt have been playing their cards very close to their chest, that or they've just been pretty poor. Seeing that's it's Kerry we'll have to give them the benefit of the doubt I suppose. I remember thinking Derry had moved ahead of them in the pecking order but the league reslly is just the league. I'd be tempted to back them for the AI at this stage- not that it would be a huge shock if they won.
Joe Kernan said last week that the the only serious teams were Dublin, Armagh, Derry, Mayo and Galway. We needn't worry about the likes of Donegal and Kerry for Sam, although they are nice to visit.
Would definitely have Donegal ahead of Mayo and maybe Kerry as well at this stage, never rule out the Tyronies as well.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 15, 2024, 11:54:38 AMQuote from: Kernan_is_King on May 15, 2024, 10:12:48 AMQuote from: bennydorano on May 15, 2024, 09:46:06 AMKerry are the one team this year who I've felt have been playing their cards very close to their chest, that or they've just been pretty poor. Seeing that's it's Kerry we'll have to give them the benefit of the doubt I suppose. I remember thinking Derry had moved ahead of them in the pecking order but the league reslly is just the league. I'd be tempted to back them for the AI at this stage- not that it would be a huge shock if they won.
Joe Kernan said last week that the the only serious teams were Dublin, Armagh, Derry, Mayo and Galway. We needn't worry about the likes of Donegal and Kerry for Sam, although they are nice to visit.
Would definitely have Donegal ahead of Mayo and maybe Kerry as well at this stage, never rule out the Tyronies as well.
Donegal have beaten one of the teams on that list and drawn with another one. It is hard to say about Kerry, while their group means that they will probably go to a QF, they could have challenges in both the QF and SF.
Quote from: bennydorano on May 15, 2024, 09:46:06 AMKerry are the one team this year who I've felt have been playing their cards very close to their chest, that or they've just been pretty poor. Seeing that's it's Kerry we'll have to give them the benefit of the doubt I suppose. I remember thinking Derry had moved ahead of them in the pecking order but the league really is just the league. I'd be tempted to back them for the AI at this stage- not that it would be a huge shock if they won.
Be interesting to see how Kerry will start off this group stage. Last year they were well beaten in round 1 by Mayo and only for Mayo slipping up against Cork in round 3 it could easily have been All Ireland Quarter final exit for Kerry instead of losing in added time in the AI final.
Quote from: thejuice on May 14, 2024, 10:32:40 PMHard to know what way it'll go. Monaghan have had a long rest as have we but they're on a bit of a downturn. We beat Louth in the league but if you compare the games against Dublin you'd put them ahead of us. Kerry clear winners of this group.
These 3 games will be the summation of O'Rourkes term. Now is the time to prove his worth, this is what we've been building towards. Now is the time to perform, to show what we're made of, no holding back, no more talk of building. This is it now. Let's see.
Monaghan on "a bit of a downturn" sounds not so bad right now. Completely written off by your own mother, embedded in the long grass would be more accurate.
There's always hope though.
Monaghan never easy bate, not too long ago they destroyed the Dubs in Croker. Seen how strong that Cavan team were against Tyrone.
Whats the story with Beggan seen he was turned down by an nfl club.
Kerry
Shane Ryan
Paul Murphy, Jason Foley, Tom O'Sullivan
Brian Ó Beaglaíoch,Tadhg Morley, Gavin White
Diarmuid O'Connor, Joe O'Connor
Tony Brosnan, Paudie Clifford, Dara Moynihan
David Clifford, Seán O'Shea, Paul Geaney.
Subs: Shane Murphy, Cillian Burke, Seán O'Brien, Adrian Spillane, Barry Dan O'Sulivan, Dylan Casey, Stephen O'Brien, Mike Breen, Killian Spillane, Darragh Roche, Armin Heinrich.
Monaghan
Rory Beggan
Ryan Wylie, Kieran Duffy, Ryan O'Toole
Karl O'Connell, Killian Lavelle, Conor McCarthy
Gary Mohan, Micheál McCarville
Stephen O'Hanlon, Micheál Bannigan, Michael Hamill
Ciarán McNulty, Seán Jones, Conor McManus.
Subs: Darren McDonnell, Jack McCarron, Stephen Mooney, Dessie Ward, Ryan McAnespie, David Garland, Jason Irwin, Andrew Woods, Barry McBennett, Joel Wilson, Thomas McPhillips.
Whats the thoughts on Kerry/Monaghan Kerry have looked off it so far, Monaghan not being talked about at all which makes them a dangerous proposition expect Monaghan to give this a real go but come up short.
Quote from: statto on May 17, 2024, 03:42:21 PMWhats the thoughts on Kerry/Monaghan Kerry have looked off it so far, Monaghan not being talked about at all which makes them a dangerous proposition expect Monaghan to give this a real go but come up short.
It would suit Kerry if Monaghan give it a go and come up short, they'd get some useful practice while still getting into the QF.
If that be the Monaghan team that starts, then it's about as good it can get, the wiry O'Hanlon fit with McAnespie and Dessie Ward returning at least to the subs bench.
As it stands now I'd say 1.Kerry 2.Louth, and a scrap for the 3rd spot between us and Meath
I fancy one of Louth or Monaghan to turn Kerry over in this group.
Monaghan 7-1 down looks like you'll be depending on Louth
15 mins - this game's over. Monaghan showing nothing. Disappointing...
A very different and more focused Kerry for this round 1 group game compared to last year. Lesson learnt whereby they could easily have missed out on top spot with that defeat.
Half time Kerry 0-15 Monaghan 0-2.
Full time Kerry 0-24 Monaghan: 1-11
Won the 2nd half handy enough 1-9 to 0-9
Quote from: Main Street on May 18, 2024, 04:37:19 PMWon the 2nd half handy enough 1-9 to 0-9
And a strong candidate for the worst goal miss of the season.
Can't see these group stages generating any excitement. It's going to be a long slow death for a plethora of teams.
If Meath don't give an all guns blazing performance against Louth next week it will be a damning indictment of O'Rourke.
We knew we'd be here since the Tailteann Cup ended. If he can't get that right then he's not fit for the job.
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 18, 2024, 10:00:33 PMCan't see these group stages generating any excitement. It's going to be a long slow death for a plethora of teams.
Hard to disagree with that statement.
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 18, 2024, 10:00:33 PMCan't see these group stages generating any excitement. It's going to be a long slow death for a plethora of teams.
Odd outlook that. There are 2 groups where there is no doubt who will finish top and get straight through to a q/f. Outside of that there is excitement in prospect in every group. In some it's who will avoid finishing bottom, in some its who will finish top, in all it's the pecking order.
Quote from: joemamas on May 19, 2024, 05:38:24 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on May 18, 2024, 10:00:33 PMCan't see these group stages generating any excitement. It's going to be a long slow death for a plethora of teams.
Hard to disagree with that statement.
Depends on what each counties objective is. How many other Kerry,Dublin at the moment will be aiming to win the All Ireland and see it as bad year if they don't?
I think a view counties will be happy if they reach the last eight and are competitive in that match. Another few and I thinking Donegal,Galway has their eyes set on All Ireland semi final spot at least now.
Monaghan need to do a full rebuild, too many men a few yrs plus by 30. They had some decent underage teams in the last few years so they gonna have blood 3/4 a year.
Round 2 games set for Sunday June 2nd
Meath v Kerry - Páirc Tailteann 2pm
Monaghan v Louth - Clones 3:30pm
It will be interesting to see the team named. Jordan Morris is out injured which hurts our chances but Shane Walsh should be recovered from the broken toe by now.
I rewatched the league game, and Louth had a good few goal chances stopped by the keeper or a defender on the line. We were hit by 5 unanswered points after half time as well.
Still as I said before, we should be hitting our stride now if we're doing anything right and I expect a big performance to get us a win and a strong start to the group stage.
LOUTH:
Niall McDonnell
Donal McKenny, Dan Corcoran, Peter Lynch
Conall McKeever, Anthony Williams, Craig Lennon
Tommy Durnin, Bevan Duffy
Niall Sharkey, Ciaran Keenan, Conor Grimes
Ryan Burns, Sam Mulroy, Ciaran Downey.
Subs: Craig Lynch, Chris O'Neill, Peter Mcstravick, Liam Jackson, Dermot Campbell, Ciaran Murphy, Tom Jackson, Leonard Grey, Ciaran Byrne, Conor Early, Paul Mathews.
MEATH:
Billy Hogan
Donal Keogan, Adam O'Neill, Ronan Ryan
Harry O'Higgins, Darragh Campion, Seán Coffey
Ronan Jones, Cian McBride
Ciarán Caulfield, Cillian O'Sullivan, Cathal Hickey
James Conlon, Mathew Costello, Eoghan Frayne.
Subs: Seán Brennan, Michael Murphy, Seán Ryan, Brian O'Halloran, Ross Ryan, Conor Gray, Daithí McGowan, Ruairí Kinsella, Jack O'Connor, Jordan Morris, Aaron Lynch.
Quote from: thejuice on May 19, 2024, 04:23:08 PMIf Meath don't give an all guns blazing performance against Louth next week it will be a damning indictment of O'Rourke.
We knew we'd be here since the Tailteann Cup ended. If he can't get that right then he's not fit for the job.
. Totally agree
Did O'Rourke call up any of the u20s? That wing back Armstrong is excellent.
Quote from: Gael85 on May 24, 2024, 08:59:48 PMDid O'Rourke call up any of the u20s? That wing back Armstrong is excellent.
just ohalloran. But he was already involved should have called up the lads who can actually kick a free from beyond the 20 line. Should this go badly Colm will be gone at years end. It's been a very difficult couple of years even though he has some of the best players available to him over last 10 years.
Quote from: Dunneroyal on May 25, 2024, 07:13:50 AMQuote from: Gael85 on May 24, 2024, 08:59:48 PMDid O'Rourke call up any of the u20s? That wing back Armstrong is excellent.
just ohalloran. But he was already involved should have called up the lads who can actually kick a free from beyond the 20 line. Should this go badly Colm will be gone at years end. It's been a very difficult couple of years even though he has some of the best players available to him over last 10 years.
I see Tyrone called up 5 players from their u20 team.
3-6 to 0-5
Louth destroying us. O'Rourke and the whole back room team can go now.
Louth are a good team. Second best in Leinster by a good bit.
Quote from: thejuice on May 25, 2024, 06:06:33 PM3-6 to 0-5
Louth destroying us. O'Rourke and the whole back room team can go now.
3-10 to 0-9
On a seismic scale this is equivalent to the time Westmeath beat Meath
Meath still could beat Monaghan who I don't think would be great this year. I would expect Louth to finish second unless Monaghan get a lot better.
No. We're done. Need to look elsewhere for a manager now. Serious failure today. I don't care how good Louth are, we shouldn't be that bad.
Well done Louth but it is hard to see Meath like this.
The malaise in football is bigger than just Dublin.
We've beaten this Louth team many times over the years. Only thing that has really changed is coaching I.e. Harte and now Brennan.
Meath are very poorly coached and way behind on S&C. I believe we have enough talent. There's promising players coming into the senior squad and they never seem to progress.
The county board have to accept that we need to look outside the county to get the best coaches etc.
Quote from: seafoid on May 25, 2024, 08:26:35 PMWell done Louth but it is hard to see Meath like this.
The malaise in football is bigger than just Dublin.
Agree with latter point, part of me just feels like they should play the semi-finals and have two legs.
No doubt where the winners will come from, Dublin, Donegal, Kerry, (possibly a full Galway team).
difficult to get excited about the Q/Finals this year.
What team will beat any of those four. ?
If I were Meath County board I'd be going all out for Malachy O'Rourke.
He could transform that team if given time.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 25, 2024, 09:17:03 PMIf I were Meath County board I'd be going all out for Malachy O'Rourke.
He could transform that team if given time.
Would Meath not get their U20 manager on board?
They need a rebuild with that minor and now that U20 squad.
Quote from: marty34 on May 25, 2024, 09:24:21 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 25, 2024, 09:17:03 PMIf I were Meath County board I'd be going all out for Malachy O'Rourke.
He could transform that team if given time.
Would Meath not get their U20 manager on board?
They need a rebuild with that minor and now that U20 squad.
That move hasn't done much for Offaly
They need a top manager who commands respect.
They have the raw materials, just need some outside influence that knows what it takes to compete I reckon. But only my opinion.
Quote from: thejuice on May 25, 2024, 07:44:58 PMNo. We're done. Need to look elsewhere for a manager now. Serious failure today. I don't care how good Louth are, we shouldn't be that bad.
. Absolutely. It's over for Colm. Should never have appointed in first place. Cb need to get act together NOW
Kildare and Meath same boat. Some half decent underage players but from the outside looking in it looks like in both counties they have went for former playing legends and it hasn't worked out at all. Yes it runs a bit deeper than those two men but if Louth can raise their level like that Meath and Kildare should be fit to do something too.
3rd louth goal very lucky, Meath doesn't seem to play with a sweeper. Every top county does these days.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 25, 2024, 09:49:35 PMKildare and Meath same boat. Some half decent underage players but from the outside looking in it looks like in both counties they have went for former playing legends and it hasn't worked out at all. Yes it runs a bit deeper than those two men but if Louth can raise their level like that Meath and Kildare should be fit to do something too.
. Colm is a legend of the game. But too long out of county seniors. He just hasn't got what it takes. I'd argue that we got to super 8s and division one with less talented players. But we were lethargic and bereft of any ideas. What is letting us down now is manager and coaching. It's over the game is up. We cannot let these players who I believe are capable of bringing Meath to div 1 and all ire quarters drift aimlessly away cb need to act asap. This can't be let run for another year.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 25, 2024, 10:21:09 PM3rd louth goal very lucky, Meath doesn't seem to play with a sweeper. Every top county does these days.
You mean 15 sweepers nowadays.
Well done Louth.
I'd say ye fairly enjoyed that
Quote from: marty34 on May 25, 2024, 09:24:21 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 25, 2024, 09:17:03 PMIf I were Meath County board I'd be going all out for Malachy O'Rourke.
He could transform that team if given time.
Would Meath not get their U20 manager on board?
They need a rebuild with that minor and now that U20 squad.
O'Bric should be involved in any set up but I think we need a proven senior county coach. O'Bric can take the senior role eventually.
Malachy might be an option but I would also look in Dublin as well for a manager and coaches. Someone who has been involved with Jim Gavin.
Quote from: thejuice on May 26, 2024, 08:33:43 AMQuote from: marty34 on May 25, 2024, 09:24:21 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 25, 2024, 09:17:03 PMIf I were Meath County board I'd be going all out for Malachy O'Rourke.
He could transform that team if given time.
Would Meath not get their U20 manager on board?
They need a rebuild with that minor and now that U20 squad.
O'Bric should be involved in any set up but I think we need a proven senior county coach. O'Bric can take the senior role eventually.
Malachy might be an option but I would also look in Dublin as well for a manager and coaches. Someone who has been involved with Jim Gavin.
I'd go for obric and Brennan as joint managers. New fresh and know what is needed. They have a huge rebuild to do. Colm has brought us to the lowest level I can remember, we went from 25k expenses under Andy to 125k under Colm in one year. To do what ? Lose our seeding in Leinster, get beat by Offaly not qualify for all ire first year. Yea we won tc beating div 3/4 teams. Lucky v Antrim and Down. But we got there. Again this year no improvement in league and now another disaster in championship. Colm is not a senior manager Latin phrases won't put the ball over the bar. I'd like to see a statement from Meath cb saying that at end of campaign we wil be moving forward with a new appointment
Quote from: Dunneroyal on May 26, 2024, 10:16:40 AMQuote from: thejuice on May 26, 2024, 08:33:43 AMQuote from: marty34 on May 25, 2024, 09:24:21 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 25, 2024, 09:17:03 PMIf I were Meath County board I'd be going all out for Malachy O'Rourke.
He could transform that team if given time.
Would Meath not get their U20 manager on board?
They need a rebuild with that minor and now that U20 squad.
O'Bric should be involved in any set up but I think we need a proven senior county coach. O'Bric can take the senior role eventually.
Malachy might be an option but I would also look in Dublin as well for a manager and coaches. Someone who has been involved with Jim Gavin.
I'd go for obric and Brennan as joint managers. New fresh and know what is needed. They have a huge rebuild to do. Colm has brought us to the lowest level I can remember, we went from 25k expenses under Andy to 125k under Colm in one year. To do what ? Lose our seeding in Leinster, get beat by Offaly not qualify for all ire first year. Yea we won tc beating div 3/4 teams. Lucky v Antrim and Down. But we got there. Again this year no improvement in league and now another disaster in championship. Colm is not a senior manager Latin phrases won't put the ball over the bar. I'd like to see a statement from Meath cb saying that at end of campaign we wil be moving forward with a new appointment
A herbalist worked some charms in the past, stay away from teachers.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 25, 2024, 09:17:03 PMIf I were Meath County board I'd be going all out for Malachy O'Rourke.
He could transform that team if given time.
He'll be over Derry next year I'd say.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 26, 2024, 11:09:12 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 25, 2024, 09:17:03 PMIf I were Meath County board I'd be going all out for Malachy O'Rourke.
He could transform that team if given time.
He'll be over Derry next year I'd say.
You could be right especially if they go out in a Preliminary quarter final.
The Derry job was always a tough one to take on after RG.
A team playing very close to full potential.
In contrast to the Donegal job.
Harte and Horse have only just started.. A two and a half legged dog took a four legged dog to their very limit in Salthill. The championship is just finishing it's soundcheck. ;D
Either way will Harte spend more than 2 years at Derry? Is O'Rourke still over Glen at the minute?
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 27, 2024, 05:27:09 AMEither way will Harte spend more than 2 years at Derry? Is O'Rourke still over Glen at the minute?
I've 2 years in my head, no rhyme nor reason re my thinking right enough.
I have genuine fear for this weekend. I hope Kerry just come for a bit of practice rather than at full tilt. Cause under Colm they can win by whatever margin they want. Upto and including 20 points. Meath have never been as low as we are now. I wonder what the geniuses who destroyed mcentee last year by voting against him think now. After we had lost a playoff to get promoted and lost to Dublin by lowest score in years. Pathetic. We are a shambles I'd say worse than Kildare. But Colm will put out excuse after excuse after excuse. And of course a few Latin phrases too just for good measure.
Quote from: Dunneroyal on May 28, 2024, 02:42:18 PMI have genuine fear for this weekend. I hope Kerry just come for a bit of practice rather than at full tilt. Cause under Colm they can win by whatever margin they want. Upto and including 20 points. Meath have never been as low as we are now. I wonder what the geniuses who destroyed mcentee last year by voting against him think now. After we had lost a playoff to get promoted and lost to Dublin by lowest score in years. Pathetic. We are a shambles I'd say worse than Kildare. But Colm will put out excuse after excuse after excuse. And of course a few Latin phrases too just for good measure.
Still seems bizarre to me that he ended up as an intercounty manager given how poor he was on The Sunday Game for years.
By comparison neither Brolly or Spillane were allowed within an asses roar of any intercounty team.