Action kicks off this weekend in both Leinster and Munster;
Clare v Limerick
Cork v Waterford
Have Limerick woken from their slumber to turn over Clare, the League champions?
I believe theres quite a large injury list emanating from the Limerick camp, so some big gaps to fill whereas Clare are sticking by and large to the league campaign team with a very strong bench including a lot of lads with serious experience if needing to be called upon.
I still have it in my head Limerick will click and Clare minus a flying tony kelly will come up short in this game...
Waterford are an enigma, they don't seem to have bought into Davy's ultra defensive strategy and that's their downfall this weekend.
Cork need to be attacked as their biggest weakness is the FB line, Coleman is now fully fit and back in a strong half back line, Cork will win this well IMO but there'll be a few rude awakenings in the weeks ahead as the more powerful, direct teams expose them.
Leinster
KK v Antrim
Expected stroll in Nowlan park for the cats, but Antrim have parachuted in a lot of lads who didn't commit to the league, quality hurlers alright but this game won't be the making or breaking of Antrims championship campaign.
Wex v Dub.
Dublin always seem to fare well against Wexford and I'd expect the same here, although this game really could decide who gets the third berth in Leinster and could be feisty enough.
Rossiter will be wanting some blood and thunder from his team, This could be one of the better games over the weekend
Gal v Carlow,
Galway to ease into action but it won't be plain sailing although Carlow were well beat by Laois in the league final in a game that didn't really matter, but all the same.
Wexford to beat Dublin but that aside I would mainly agree. I think Davy is a busted flush tbh but we'll see what Waterford can do. Cork have been underwhelming this years and will want to be winning that.
I think Limerick will be laying down a statement.
Antrim not strong enough for KK. The likes of Carlow game more important.
Clare will have Tony Kelly on the bench for the Limerick game. Without Kelly starting and a question mark as to whether he plays at all, Limerick will be favourites. The league means nothing.
Shane O'Donnell is also on the bench for Clare.
Has anyone picked up gaa go this year? Is it worth 79 euro for a handful of Munster and Leinster hurling championship games and the dross on the football side of things?
Quote from: Capt Pat on April 19, 2024, 01:33:14 PMClare will have Tony Kelly on the bench for the Limerick game. Without Kelly starting and a question mark as to whether he plays at all, Limerick will be favourites. The league means nothing.
Shane O'Donnell is also on the bench for Clare.
Clare bench very strong - too strong.
Maybe lot of changes before the parade!
I saw Waterford's team also. Be surprised if that's the starting 15. Leavey on bench and he was one of Waterford's best players in the league.
Davy asking for the Déise support to come out in numbers. Be a bad job if Cork outnumber them in the newly revamped Walsh Park. Maybe he's building the 'everybody is against us' mentality.
It'll be a war in Ennis. I fancy Clare because, for once, I'm not sure what Limerick will turn up. David Fitzerald will be a marked man after his league exploits and they'll need scores from Rogers and Calvin etc. from play.
I wouldn't worry about the numbers on Limerick's jerseys on Sunday. They'll be all over the place. O'Neill will chip in with a few, so too will Hayes. They're so inter-changeable and they do it so fluidly. Will Clare reveal a few more chinks in the armour?
A win for either Waterford or Cork will be a big boost for them. A Waterford win will shake things up a bit. A defeat and you're on the back foot in Munster straightaway.
Just a pity that there's a load of games on at the same time. :'(
Quote from: Capt Pat on April 19, 2024, 06:59:02 PMHas anyone picked up gaa go this year? Is it worth 79 euro for a handful of Munster and Leinster hurling championship games and the dross on the football side of things?
Get the dodgy box, great job
"He's got pace and power and he'll attack ya"
Sheedy on Kyle Hayes.
Limerick great value to win game at 5/2. Clare not ruthless in front of posts.
Limerick 14/1 now. Worth a bet.
Looking very good for Clare, have brought their league form into the championship.
Limerick have this. Clare are gassed.
Some response from Limerick.
Magical spell from hegarty to win it for them.
Clare will never win an all Ireland without a half decent goal keeper. Quilligan letting in the second Limerick goal was a disaster for Clare.
Quote from: Capt Pat on April 21, 2024, 03:37:15 PMClare will never win an all Ireland without a half decent goal keeper. Quilligan letting in the second Limerick goal was a disater for Clare.
Yep have always had my doubts about him, he wasn't great for the first one either
Quote from: Capt Pat on April 21, 2024, 03:37:15 PMClare will never win an all Ireland without a half decent goal keeper. Quilligan letting in the second Limerick goal was a disater for Clare.
They tried a couple other lads over the years who unfortunately were no better. Eamon Foudy let a couple howlers against Tipp in opening championship game last year.
Some interesting results in the Joe mcdonagh. Wouldn't have expected Kerry to beat Westmeath or Laois to beat Offaly.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 21, 2024, 09:38:04 PMSome interesting results in the Joe mcdonagh. Wouldn't have expected Kerry to beat Westmeath or Laois to beat Offaly.
The former was certainly a surprise, but the latter was very much a 50/50 game. I think the bookies couldn't even decide - I don't follow those prices much, but someone said both teams were even money?
Clare's level dropped slightly but not by much and Limerick powered through that quarter. Clare did have a couple of bad wides in this period which might just have kept them in the game.
Keeper has been an issue for them for a few years now, but he is obviously the best they have. Great game and the only major problem for those outside of Limerick is that this will bring them on again. Ominous for the others.
Quote from: NAG1 on April 22, 2024, 03:13:22 PMClare's level dropped slightly but not by much and Limerick powered through that quarter. Clare did have a couple of bad wides in this period which might just have kept them in the game.
Keeper has been an issue for them for a few years now, but he is obviously the best they have. Great game and the only major problem for those outside of Limerick is that this will bring them on again. Ominous for the others.
The best time to lose to Limerick is now.
What an amazing Sunday
Quote from: seafoid on April 22, 2024, 03:45:08 PMQuote from: NAG1 on April 22, 2024, 03:13:22 PMClare's level dropped slightly but not by much and Limerick powered through that quarter. Clare did have a couple of bad wides in this period which might just have kept them in the game.
Keeper has been an issue for them for a few years now, but he is obviously the best they have. Great game and the only major problem for those outside of Limerick is that this will bring them on again. Ominous for the others.
The best time to lose to Limerick is now.
It is, but for now Clare are facing into going down to Franks pairc to meet a Cork team who are also bouncing off the back of a defeat to the supposed whipping boys in Munster.
Cork will go for goals as that's now perceived to be Clare's achilles heel, but they'll need to get the average age of that forward line down considerably if they are to cause Clare issues in that regard.
I also think Clare will look to put Peter Duggan close to the Cork square and lob the ball from distance into him to create goal chances of their own.
Corks need is greater but whoever loses this will do well to get the third berth in Munster.
We'll also find out what state Tipp are in this weekend and it would need to be a very large improvement from their league campaign.
Quote from: johnnycool on April 23, 2024, 07:57:07 AMQuote from: seafoid on April 22, 2024, 03:45:08 PMQuote from: NAG1 on April 22, 2024, 03:13:22 PMClare's level dropped slightly but not by much and Limerick powered through that quarter. Clare did have a couple of bad wides in this period which might just have kept them in the game.
Keeper has been an issue for them for a few years now, but he is obviously the best they have. Great game and the only major problem for those outside of Limerick is that this will bring them on again. Ominous for the others.
The best time to lose to Limerick is now.
It is, but for now Clare are facing into going down to Franks pairc to meet a Cork team who are also bouncing off the back of a defeat to the supposed whipping boys in Munster.
Cork will go for goals as that's now perceived to be Clare's achilles heel, but they'll need to get the average age of that forward line down considerably if they are to cause Clare issues in that regard.
I also think Clare will look to put Peter Duggan close to the Cork square and lob the ball from distance into him to create goal chances of their own.
Corks need is greater but whoever loses this will do well to get the third berth in Munster.
We'll also find out what state Tipp are in this weekend and it would need to be a very large improvement from their league campaign.
Clare be better to put Shanagher ahead of Duggan at FF. Ball never sticks to Duggan.
The level of completion is exciting.
Some in Cork now questioning the value Horgan and Lehane bring to the team.
Pat Ryan under a bit of pressure this weekend
Quote from: johnnycool on April 24, 2024, 01:57:37 PMSome in Cork now questioning the value Horgan and Lehane bring to the team.
Pat Ryan under a bit of pressure this weekend
Can understand the level of criticism of the Manager but to call out two players who are just there because they are picked is a bit much.
Obviously no younger talent bursting down the door to take their place.
I am no fan of Cork either.
Lot of changes for Cork
Quote from: Gael85 on April 23, 2024, 10:05:40 AMQuote from: johnnycool on April 23, 2024, 07:57:07 AMQuote from: seafoid on April 22, 2024, 03:45:08 PMQuote from: NAG1 on April 22, 2024, 03:13:22 PMClare's level dropped slightly but not by much and Limerick powered through that quarter. Clare did have a couple of bad wides in this period which might just have kept them in the game.
Keeper has been an issue for them for a few years now, but he is obviously the best they have. Great game and the only major problem for those outside of Limerick is that this will bring them on again. Ominous for the others.
The best time to lose to Limerick is now.
It is, but for now Clare are facing into going down to Franks pairc to meet a Cork team who are also bouncing off the back of a defeat to the supposed whipping boys in Munster.
Cork will go for goals as that's now perceived to be Clare's achilles heel, but they'll need to get the average age of that forward line down considerably if they are to cause Clare issues in that regard.
I also think Clare will look to put Peter Duggan close to the Cork square and lob the ball from distance into him to create goal chances of their own.
Corks need is greater but whoever loses this will do well to get the third berth in Munster.
We'll also find out what state Tipp are in this weekend and it would need to be a very large improvement from their league campaign.
Clare be better to put Shanagher ahead of Duggan at FF. Ball never sticks to Duggan.
I agree. Always seem to throw him in with 3 mins to go when they ned a goal. It's happened on countless times.
Why not start him at ff and keep Duggan on the wing. Duggan is great at changing hands. Throw a few scuds in on top of Shanagher and Duggan will win a good few puck outs. Be a bit more direct. With O'Donnell and Kelly floating about on the breaking ball.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 21, 2024, 09:38:04 PMSome interesting results in the Joe mcdonagh. Wouldn't have expected Kerry to beat Westmeath or Laois to beat Offaly.
Very open now.
Offaly V Westmeath should be a belter. Loser could have a short season.
Down have the win and could do well depending if the other teams have anything to play for when they meet them later on.
The Joe Mc Donagh is a super competition. All teams capable of beating each ther on a given day.
Was their any promo for this competetion this year? The GAA should be timetabling these games a lot better also.
Quote from: NAG1 on April 24, 2024, 02:22:07 PMQuote from: johnnycool on April 24, 2024, 01:57:37 PMSome in Cork now questioning the value Horgan and Lehane bring to the team.
Pat Ryan under a bit of pressure this weekend
Can understand the level of criticism of the Manager but to call out two players who are just there because they are picked is a bit much.
Obviously no younger talent bursting down the door to take their place.
I am no fan of Cork either.
Is Harnedy in there also this year?
Cork are so inconsistent. What Cork will turn up?
Quote from: marty34 on April 25, 2024, 11:33:36 PMQuote from: NAG1 on April 24, 2024, 02:22:07 PMQuote from: johnnycool on April 24, 2024, 01:57:37 PMSome in Cork now questioning the value Horgan and Lehane bring to the team.
Pat Ryan under a bit of pressure this weekend
Can understand the level of criticism of the Manager but to call out two players who are just there because they are picked is a bit much.
Obviously no younger talent bursting down the door to take their place.
I am no fan of Cork either.
Is Harnedy in there also this year?
Cork are so inconsistent. What Cork will turn up?
I think Cork are very consistent, they can't handle teams that bring lots of physicality to the game, do that and they wilt. Fail to do that and they'll run through you like a hot knife through butter.
On a good day they'll score a few goals, but concede a good few too.
Clare will need to score a few goals which they're more than capable off and prevent Coleman launching the running game from half back.
Quote from: marty34 on April 25, 2024, 11:33:36 PMQuote from: NAG1 on April 24, 2024, 02:22:07 PMQuote from: johnnycool on April 24, 2024, 01:57:37 PMSome in Cork now questioning the value Horgan and Lehane bring to the team.
Pat Ryan under a bit of pressure this weekend
Can understand the level of criticism of the Manager but to call out two players who are just there because they are picked is a bit much.
Obviously no younger talent bursting down the door to take their place.
I am no fan of Cork either.
Is Harnedy in there also this year?
Cork are so inconsistent. What Cork will turn up?
No, no, no. You're only allowed say that about Galway. Other teams just face challenges of various severity.
Quote from: mouview on April 26, 2024, 10:30:42 AMQuote from: marty34 on April 25, 2024, 11:33:36 PMQuote from: NAG1 on April 24, 2024, 02:22:07 PMQuote from: johnnycool on April 24, 2024, 01:57:37 PMSome in Cork now questioning the value Horgan and Lehane bring to the team.
Pat Ryan under a bit of pressure this weekend
Can understand the level of criticism of the Manager but to call out two players who are just there because they are picked is a bit much.
Obviously no younger talent bursting down the door to take their place.
I am no fan of Cork either.
Is Harnedy in there also this year?
Cork are so inconsistent. What Cork will turn up?
No, no, no. You're only allowed say that about Galway. Other teams just face challenges of various severity.
Everyone bar Limerick is Galway now
Puthrid - Waterford
A gutless shower -Cork
Pure fuckin usheless - Tipperary
They threw it away -kilkenny
Watcb them f**k this up again -Clare
In the name of Jaysus - Galway
Some comeback from Antrim. Wexford don't and have never deserved Lee Chin.
Was a superb game in fairness
Antrim were dead and buried a couple of times and the 'square ball' I thought was going to scupper things
We lost our composure when we gave away the soft penalty, but managed to clear that from our thoughts.
Fair play to them, that is some turnaround in 6 days bearing in mind the tanking they got last week.
Quote from: gallsman on April 27, 2024, 04:33:55 PMSome comeback from Antrim. Wexford don't and have never deserved Lee Chin.
Yeah they didn't have much outside him, he was head and shoulders above anyone else on that pitch today
Well done Antrim. That is a signature win.
Incredible from us
Hope we push on and follow it up
Gleeson is class
https://twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1784573737590837533
Scores level but Cork down to 14. Cork have a good bench though with the likes of Coleman coming on.
Awful injury for Peter Casey for Limerick. You know it's bad when the camera cuts away straight away and no replay of the goal scored
Limerick 15 point winners in a match they had 46 scoring chances to Tipps 33.
That Sean O'Donoughue foul gets crazier and crazier every time I see it. Absolute madness to do that when already on a yellow. Ball was clear and safe too.
Was it a second yellow or straight red I couldn't pick it up.
Quote from: NAG1 on April 29, 2024, 11:18:29 AMWas it a second yellow or straight red I couldn't pick it up.
Second yellow, can have no complaints (unless you are Buff Egan)
Quote from: Saffrongael on April 29, 2024, 11:37:15 AMQuote from: NAG1 on April 29, 2024, 11:18:29 AMWas it a second yellow or straight red I couldn't pick it up.
Second yellow, can have no complaints (unless you are Buff Egan)
Seen Buff's post? Mans not wise
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 29, 2024, 11:38:25 AMQuote from: Saffrongael on April 29, 2024, 11:37:15 AMQuote from: NAG1 on April 29, 2024, 11:18:29 AMWas it a second yellow or straight red I couldn't pick it up.
Second yellow, can have no complaints (unless you are Buff Egan)
Seen Buff's post? Mans not wise
Few years ago he was moaning that he wasn't getting commentary/analysis gigs on tv, can you imagine it ffs ?
Makes more sense now, definite second yellow a moment of madness unfortunately.
Serious questions to be answered by Tipp now after that performance, no point picking big men to compete physically with Limerick as they have the physicality and the hurling to go with it.
Have always found Buff to be an eejit of the highest order. I'm not his target market but felt as if he'd disappeared for a while. His take on the foul restart was the first time I'd come across him in a couple of years.
Feels like he was going out of the way to be contrary.
Quote from: gallsman on April 29, 2024, 01:21:58 PMHave always found Buff to be an eejit of the highest order. I'm not his target market but felt as if he'd disappeared for a while. His take on the foul restart was the first time I'd come across him in a couple of years.
Feels like he was going out of the way to be contrary.
I don't think Buff would have the wit to try and be contrary.
Quote from: NAG1 on April 29, 2024, 11:47:49 AMMakes more sense now, definite second yellow a moment of madness unfortunately.
Serious questions to be answered by Tipp now after that performance, no point picking big men to compete physically with Limerick as they have the physicality and the hurling to go with it.
They did go with the physicality and it lasted about 30 minutes before Limerick wore them down.
You need the hurling to keep that going, which is strange as Tipp always pride themselves on their hurling.
Liam Cahill may have to get back to a Tipp identity rather than trying to match Limerick at what they are good at.
Easier said than done though.
Cork are Cork, Clare when they got into their stride opened them up at will, but Clare being Clare also conceded a few soft scores to keep it interesting right to the end.
Cork have a fierce uphill battle to get third spot now and IMO that spot depends on Tipp and Waterford this weekend.
Waterford may well be favourites after yesterday, but surely Tipp will offer a lot more in Semple stadium in what is a knock out fixture for them.
Antrim have put the cat among the pigeons in Leinster, Wexford are in dire straits with Kilkenny and Galway yet to come.
Antrim get a result against the Dubs and they could claim that third spot, but the lollipops aren't a pushover either for these teams fighting for the third spot.
Teams need to stop taking the ball into contact with Limerick
They need to get past that half backline, they also need their attackers to defend like dogs and stop allowing Limerick out with the ball
Referee's need to come down on the throw ball, Limerick are flat out doing it, with Cain Lynch the worst culprit.
Lastly teams need to match Limericks fitness levels, the games last 70 plus minutes and the good teams are fading away around 60/65 minutes.
Easier said than done I know, or they will just have to wait till this teams is finished
The 2 provinces are unbalanced. There is too much competition in Munster and not enough in Leinster. Antrim beating Wexford is huge but it won't fix the problem.
Quote from: seafoid on April 29, 2024, 02:56:21 PMThe 2 provinces are unbalanced. There is too much competition in Munster and not enough in Leinster. Antrim beating Wexford is huge but it won't fix the problem.
To an extent.
Before both campaigns kicked off you'd have put good money on a KK v Galway final in Leinster and Limerick and Clare contesting the Munster final.
After two rounds in both I think the bet would still be very safe.
The battle for third is really the only thing on offer in both provinces with Waterford and Antrim throwing a bit of a spanner in the works.
Quote from: johnnycool on April 29, 2024, 03:22:54 PMQuote from: seafoid on April 29, 2024, 02:56:21 PMThe 2 provinces are unbalanced. There is too much competition in Munster and not enough in Leinster. Antrim beating Wexford is huge but it won't fix the problem.
To an extent.
Before both campaigns kicked off you'd have put good money on a KK v Galway final in Leinster and Limerick and Clare contesting the Munster final.
After two rounds in both I think the bet would still be very safe.
The battle for third is really the only thing on offer in both provinces with Waterford and Antrim throwing a bit of a spanner in the works.
Limerick did to Tipp what they did to Galway and Kilkenny in the endgames last year. Turned on the afterburners before and after half time. https://youtu.be/sSR4MgieVb0&t=720s.
If McGuinness could find a way to beat Derry there should be a way to beat Limerick. It will probably feature intensity.
The comparison would be Dublin not Derry...
Cork will need to beat limerick now which if limerick have qualified is I suppose a possibility.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 29, 2024, 06:51:13 PMThe comparison would be Dublin not Derry...
Cork will need to beat limerick now which if limerick have qualified is I suppose a possibility.
Agree re Dublin. What McGuinness did was completely nullify Derry's tactics. Beating Limerick will require something special that is similar.
Quote from: seafoid on April 29, 2024, 08:24:23 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on April 29, 2024, 06:51:13 PMThe comparison would be Dublin not Derry...
Cork will need to beat limerick now which if limerick have qualified is I suppose a possibility.
Agree re Dublin. What McGuinness did was completely nullify Derry's tactics. Beating Limerick will require something special that is similar.
McGuinness didn't beat Derry by trying to be better at what Derry excel at, he looked at their strengths and used that against them, the high press on the Donegal kick out, their keeper just booted it beyond the press and they'd runners hitting that space beyond the press once the big men flicked the ball into it.
Smart enough, but for Derry to persist in the "process" which had been worked out spoke of a team overcoached.
To beat Limerick you avoid the intensity and congested areas, have the scorers 70 metres from goals working the ball in pods to get the long range shots off and you'll need a very high percentage of scores going over for it to work.
If that doesn't pull out their deep lying half forwards then nothing will.
Then once they come out chasing the game you need to hit the spaces they leave behind
Limerick rode their luck against Clare. The goal that gave them momentum was from a mishit free aside from the square ball shouts and a bit of poor goal keeping, but Clare couldn't respond like they did against Cork.
Clare do have the physique to compete against Limerick, but they've questions to answer about their mental fortitude in Munster finals and AI semi-finals where they've probably been the better teams but lapses in concentration have been their undoing.
Galway didn't show much in Salthill to suggest they've improved this year, but Leinster doesn't heat up for another few weeks.
Tipp, Cork and Waterford need to be smarter if they want to challenge Limerick or the bottom line is they just aren't good enough no matter how you cut it.
I'm not convinced Shefflin is cutting it with Galway.
Cork are really up against it now and will have to beat Limerick or I would say they're out. Waterford need to beat Tipp or they're likely out too and same if Tipp don't beat Waterford. Tipp beating Waterford would help Cork a bi though.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 30, 2024, 08:31:28 AMI'm not convinced Shefflin is cutting it with Galway.
Cork are really up against it now and will have to beat Limerick or I would say they're out. Waterford need to beat Tipp or they're likely out too and same if Tipp don't beat Waterford. Tipp beating Waterford would help Cork a bi though.
I think Galway and Dublin should switch managers, O'D looks completely lost with Dublin doesn't seem to know how to progress them. Shefflin doesn't seem to be getting a tune out of Galway and IMO hasn't improved them either.
O'D back to Galway where he at least was passionate about it and knows the players, Shefflin to Dublin to bring that big name bounce and attract more players to the Dublin set up.
Both currently treading water and going no where fast.
Quote from: NAG1 on April 30, 2024, 09:39:47 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on April 30, 2024, 08:31:28 AMI'm not convinced Shefflin is cutting it with Galway.
Cork are really up against it now and will have to beat Limerick or I would say they're out. Waterford need to beat Tipp or they're likely out too and same if Tipp don't beat Waterford. Tipp beating Waterford would help Cork a bi though.
I think Galway and Dublin should switch managers, O'D looks completely lost with Dublin doesn't seem to know how to progress them. Shefflin doesn't seem to be getting a tune out of Galway and IMO hasn't improved them either.
O'D back to Galway where he at least was passionate about it and knows the players, Shefflin to Dublin to bring that big name bounce and attract more players to the Dublin set up.
Both currently treading water and going no where fast.
Would Henry look to come up to Antrim after Darren steps back?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 30, 2024, 09:48:42 AMQuote from: NAG1 on April 30, 2024, 09:39:47 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on April 30, 2024, 08:31:28 AMI'm not convinced Shefflin is cutting it with Galway.
Cork are really up against it now and will have to beat Limerick or I would say they're out. Waterford need to beat Tipp or they're likely out too and same if Tipp don't beat Waterford. Tipp beating Waterford would help Cork a bi though.
I think Galway and Dublin should switch managers, O'D looks completely lost with Dublin doesn't seem to know how to progress them. Shefflin doesn't seem to be getting a tune out of Galway and IMO hasn't improved them either.
O'D back to Galway where he at least was passionate about it and knows the players, Shefflin to Dublin to bring that big name bounce and attract more players to the Dublin set up.
Both currently treading water and going no where fast.
Would Henry look to come up to Antrim after Darren steps back?
Cork job beckons for Henry
Darren may get total redemption in Tipp if Cahill doesn't get them out of Munster
I would doubt Shefflin would come anywhere near antrim. Gleeson has done a fantastic job in antrim. I hope we hold onto him for much longer.
If DG gets a positive outcome for the season he will be gone.
As to where he goes or who would take him that's an entirely different conversation.
Quote from: NAG1 on April 30, 2024, 10:46:03 AMIf DG gets a positive outcome for the season he will be gone.
As to where he goes or who would take him that's an entirely different conversation.
Yep if he gets anything decent in the south he will be away, otherwise he may hang about as €70k a year or whatever it is would be hard enough to walk away from.
Money aside, as its standard across the country. Spoke to Darren a few times and his passion is very real and commitment to the task (from what I see) is what you are looking for in a manager.
3 to 4 years is generally enough for both players and management, I've seen some good kids come through recently at club level to suggest that the future at senior hurling in Antrim could get better.
Dealing with the younger generation is tough though, was at a under 14 I think development games at the weekend and while we were on top over Derry, I still think we are miles away from other hurling strongholds
Basics need addressed I feel across the clubs, catching, striking left/right dipping the ball, speed of delivery, spatial awareness, these are the basics that the club should be on top of before coming into development squads.
Club is still king and some clubs don't (maybe understandably in cases across both codes) have faith in them and would rather develop their own kids to succeed with them.
What's the answer? We really do have a lack of togetherness that other counties have for whatever reason, I think in most counties County is king and club comes a very close second, but the carrot of getting to Croke with your club is easier here than with the county might be one reason
Quote from: Saffrongael on April 30, 2024, 11:01:23 AMQuote from: NAG1 on April 30, 2024, 10:46:03 AMIf DG gets a positive outcome for the season he will be gone.
As to where he goes or who would take him that's an entirely different conversation.
Yep if he gets anything decent in the south he will be away, otherwise he may hang about as €70k a year or whatever it is would be hard enough to walk away from.
Antrim need to build on this. Laois never built on the buzz they had with Eddie Brennan. The GAA should have a fund for this sort of situation.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 30, 2024, 11:18:30 AMMoney aside, as its standard across the country. Spoke to Darren a few times and his passion is very real and commitment to the task (from what I see) is what you are looking for in a manager.
3 to 4 years is generally enough for both players and management, I've seen some good kids come through recently at club level to suggest that the future at senior hurling in Antrim could get better.
Dealing with the younger generation is tough though, was at a under 14 I think development games at the weekend and while we were on top over Derry, I still think we are miles away from other hurling strongholds
Basics need addressed I feel across the clubs, catching, striking left/right dipping the ball, speed of delivery, spatial awareness, these are the basics that the club should be on top of before coming into development squads.
Club is still king and some clubs don't (maybe understandably in cases across both codes) have faith in them and would rather develop their own kids to succeed with them.
What's the answer? We really do have a lack of togetherness that other counties have for whatever reason, I think in most counties County is king and club comes a very close second, but the carrot of getting to Croke with your club is easier here than with the county might be one reason
In the football and hurling we've invested a lot at senior level and tbh while we are not going to win all irelands I think both setups are considerably better and something that younger ones can hopefully aspire to. The hurling setup is considerably more professional than we have ever had before irrespective of the outcome of the upcoming games and the football would be the same. However the underage results aren't inspiring in either code - I kind of hope maybe there's a plan to start with senior but we will see.
Kids are inspired by sporting breakthroughs on the field. This is well understood in the Glens. If you want something to be important, make it important.
Quote from: seafoid on April 30, 2024, 12:13:00 PMKids are inspired by sporting breakthroughs on the field. This is well understood in the Glens. If you want something to be important, make it important.
Whilst Antrim have produced a big result in the Leinster championship, the players and those same kids know their best route to an AI Final is with their clubs.
Club hurling is still king in Antrim.
So Wexford lose to Antrim then beat Galway? Mad Ted.
Really poor from Owens there giving that free against Tipp for lying on the ball, you could clearly see the ball out of the ruck
Some finish by Tipp there
Was that not a dodgy penalty for Waterford against Tipp?
Should it not have been re-taken?
What was the referee at?
Quote from: johnnycool on April 30, 2024, 08:14:05 AMQuote from: seafoid on April 29, 2024, 08:24:23 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on April 29, 2024, 06:51:13 PMThe comparison would be Dublin not Derry...
Cork will need to beat limerick now which if limerick have qualified is I suppose a possibility.
Agree re Dublin. What McGuinness did was completely nullify Derry's tactics. Beating Limerick will require something special that is similar.
McGuinness didn't beat Derry by trying to be better at what Derry excel at, he looked at their strengths and used that against them, the high press on the Donegal kick out, their keeper just booted it beyond the press and they'd runners hitting that space beyond the press once the big men flicked the ball into it.
Smart enough, but for Derry to persist in the "process" which had been worked out spoke of a team overcoached.
To beat Limerick you avoid the intensity and congested areas, have the scorers 70 metres from goals working the ball in pods to get the long range shots off and you'll need a very high percentage of scores going over for it to work.
If that doesn't pull out their deep lying half forwards then nothing will.
Then once they come out chasing the game you need to hit the spaces they leave behind
Limerick rode their luck against Clare. The goal that gave them momentum was from a mishit free aside from the square ball shouts and a bit of poor goal keeping, but Clare couldn't respond like they did against Cork.
Clare do have the physique to compete against Limerick, but they've questions to answer about their mental fortitude in Munster finals and AI semi-finals where they've probably been the better teams but lapses in concentration have been their undoing.
Galway didn't show much in Salthill to suggest they've improved this year, but Leinster doesn't heat up for another few weeks.
Tipp, Cork and Waterford need to be smarter if they want to challenge Limerick or the bottom line is they just aren't good enough no matter how you cut it.
Quote from: johnnycool on April 30, 2024, 08:14:05 AMQuote from: seafoid on April 29, 2024, 08:24:23 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on April 29, 2024, 06:51:13 PMThe comparison would be Dublin not Derry...
Cork will need to beat limerick now which if limerick have qualified is I suppose a possibility.
Agree re Dublin. What McGuinness did was completely nullify Derry's tactics. Beating Limerick will require something special that is similar.
McGuinness didn't beat Derry by trying to be better at what Derry excel at, he looked at their strengths and used that against them, the high press on the Donegal kick out, their keeper just booted it beyond the press and they'd runners hitting that space beyond the press once the big men flicked the ball into it.
Smart enough, but for Derry to persist in the "process" which had been worked out spoke of a team overcoached.
To beat Limerick you avoid the intensity and congested areas, have the scorers 70 metres from goals working the ball in pods to get the long range shots off and you'll need a very high percentage of scores going over for it to work.
If that doesn't pull out their deep lying half forwards then nothing will.
Then once they come out chasing the game you need to hit the spaces they leave behind
Limerick rode their luck against Clare. The goal that gave them momentum was from a mishit free aside from the square ball shouts and a bit of poor goal keeping, but Clare couldn't respond like they did against Cork.
Clare do have the physique to compete against Limerick, but they've questions to answer about their mental fortitude in Munster finals and AI semi-finals where they've probably been the better teams but lapses in concentration have been their undoing.
Galway didn't show much in Salthill to suggest they've improved this year, but Leinster doesn't heat up for another few weeks.
Tipp, Cork and Waterford need to be smarter if they want to challenge Limerick or the bottom line is they just aren't good enough no matter how you cut it.
Quote from: johnnycool on April 30, 2024, 08:14:05 AMQuote from: seafoid on April 29, 2024, 08:24:23 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on April 29, 2024, 06:51:13 PMThe comparison would be Dublin not Derry...
Cork will need to beat limerick now which if limerick have qualified is I suppose a possibility.
Agree re Dublin. What McGuinness did was completely nullify Derry's tactics. Beating Limerick will require something special that is similar.
McGuinness didn't beat Derry by trying to be better at what Derry excel at, he looked at their strengths and used that against them, the high press on the Donegal kick out, their keeper just booted it beyond the press and they'd runners hitting that space beyond the press once the big men flicked the ball into it.
Smart enough, but for Derry to persist in the "process" which had been worked out spoke of a team overcoached.
To beat Limerick you avoid the intensity and congested areas, have the scorers 70 metres from goals working the ball in pods to get the long range shots off and you'll need a very high percentage of scores going over for it to work.
If that doesn't pull out their deep lying half forwards then nothing will.
Then once they come out chasing the game you need to hit the spaces they leave behind
Limerick rode their luck against Clare. The goal that gave them momentum was from a mishit free aside from the square ball shouts and a bit of poor goal keeping, but Clare couldn't respond like they did against Cork.
Clare do have the physique to compete against Limerick, but they've questions to answer about their mental fortitude in Munster finals and AI semi-finals where they've probably been the better teams but lapses in concentration have been their undoing.
Galway didn't show much in Salthill to suggest they've improved this year, but Leinster doesn't heat up for another few weeks.
Tipp, Cork and Waterford need to be smarter if they want to challenge Limerick or the bottom line is they just aren't good enough no matter how you cut it.
Great stuff. The psychology has to be spot on as well.
Not what I would tend to associate with Tipperary hurling
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/we-tend-to-love-a-good-failure-in-tipp-that-is-what-disappoints-me-the-most-liam-cahill-hits-back-at-critics/a966970394.html
Taking a swipe at his critics in the county he declared: "We tend to love a good failure in Tipp. That is what disappoints me the most. We tend to love a good failure."
Quote from: seafoid on May 05, 2024, 07:46:58 PMNot what I would tend to associate with Tipperary hurling
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/we-tend-to-love-a-good-failure-in-tipp-that-is-what-disappoints-me-the-most-liam-cahill-hits-back-at-critics/a966970394.html
Taking a swipe at his critics in the county he declared: "We tend to love a good failure in Tipp. That is what disappoints me the most. We tend to love a good failure."
Cahill would be better shutting up and concentrating on his team.
They were out-hurled for the most part by Waterford but they hung on in there and salvaged a draw.
I thought Bonnar Maher was lucky to avoid a red card for his mistimed shoulder/raised elbow which connected with Lyons. He was probably saved by the fact he was only on the field a few minutes before.
Not sure what the ref was doing running across the goals before the penalty was struck, I've never saw anything like that before and really should have been retaken, not that I think it would have changed the end result, but who knows!
Waterford somehow allowed a Tipp man in acres of space twice in injury time to take a puckout unopposed well inside their own half, I find that staggering also at this level, but the Tipp lads have given themselves a fighting chance for third place.
The fact that Bonnar Maher is even still around the squad shows the problems are much deeper for Tipp.
Was a quality player in his day but that was a few seasons ago.
Big game for Antrim this weekend, down in Parnell Park.
Get a win there and third is very much in reach, but Dublin have urgent demands as well as they need to secure the points now as they've still Galway and Kilkenny to contend with and points in those two games may be harder come by.
Galway getting beat by Wexford has opened this championship up a bit and Galway can't afford another slip up in Corrigan or against Dublin to secure the second spot, but Wexford have given themselves a decent shout at this and for some reason always do well against Kilkenny when their backs are against the wall.
It's a four horse race for the 2nd and 3rd spots in Leinster for me at this stage but all may become a bit clearer by Sunday evening.
Cork have a must win game against Limerick down in the SuperValu park. It's hard to see that happening, but Cork with all their weaknesses, most notably their defence have never really been beaten by a huge amount by anyone in recent years, so maybe they might get a big rub of the green on Saturday evening, hard to see anything other than a Limerick win and Pat Ryan out of a job the next day.
They're a frustrating outfit are Cork. They'll probably give this a good rattle and ultimately lose by a couple - then beat Tipp when the pressure is off - leaving another 6 months of chatter of being not that far away.
The best of the U20 All Ireland winning teams need ushered in ASAP - it needs done even if it meant a dip for a year or two. The current players in that team that are 30+ have had more than enough chances. In fairness I think Ben Cunningham would have easily started this year but for injury. Other than Joyce and Connolly not many have made an impact.
They've never been that terrible over the years but clearly never close to winning the big prizes either. The appetite is still there from the public down there as seen by attendance expected on Saturday night. I think they are good for the game when they're motoring well.
Quote from: ClubScene13 on May 09, 2024, 03:19:54 PMThey're a frustrating outfit are Cork. They'll probably give this a good rattle and ultimately lose by a couple - then beat Tipp when the pressure is off - leaving another 6 months of chatter of being not that far away.
The best of the U20 All Ireland winning teams need ushered in ASAP - it needs done even if it meant a dip for a year or two. The current players in that team that are 30+ have had more than enough chances. In fairness I think Ben Cunningham would have easily started this year but for injury. Other than Joyce and Connolly not many have made an impact.
They've never been that terrible over the years but clearly never close to winning the big prizes either. The appetite is still there from the public down there as seen by attendance expected on Saturday night. I think they are good for the game when they're motoring well.
Is he playing rugby?
You are thinking of Ben O'Connor
Quote from: marty34 on May 09, 2024, 09:27:41 PMQuote from: ClubScene13 on May 09, 2024, 03:19:54 PMThey're a frustrating outfit are Cork. They'll probably give this a good rattle and ultimately lose by a couple - then beat Tipp when the pressure is off - leaving another 6 months of chatter of being not that far away.
The best of the U20 All Ireland winning teams need ushered in ASAP - it needs done even if it meant a dip for a year or two. The current players in that team that are 30+ have had more than enough chances. In fairness I think Ben Cunningham would have easily started this year but for injury. Other than Joyce and Connolly not many have made an impact.
They've never been that terrible over the years but clearly never close to winning the big prizes either. The appetite is still there from the public down there as seen by attendance expected on Saturday night. I think they are good for the game when they're motoring well.
Is he playing rugby?
Yes sadly.
He was one of the few U20's who seemed to thrive on physicality, a rare trait in Cork at the minute.
KK absolutely dreadful since the red card but what on earth was that free for?!
A draw. Well done Carlow
Quote from: gallsman on May 11, 2024, 06:08:02 PMKK absolutely dreadful since the red card but what on earth was that free for?!
Looked like the KK player threw the ball away, not sure you can turn a sideline into a free for that ?
Fair play securing a draw Carlow..
They will be looking forward to the Antrim game with plenty of confidence
Quote from: Saffrongael on May 11, 2024, 06:12:07 PMQuote from: gallsman on May 11, 2024, 06:08:02 PMKK absolutely dreadful since the red card but what on earth was that free for?!
Looked like the KK player threw the ball away, not sure you can turn a sideline into a free for that ?
If ( I haven't seen this game btw) you interfere at a sideline ball decision against the other team it's a free, has been a free for a good few years now
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 11, 2024, 06:22:28 PMQuote from: Saffrongael on May 11, 2024, 06:12:07 PMQuote from: gallsman on May 11, 2024, 06:08:02 PMKK absolutely dreadful since the red card but what on earth was that free for?!
Looked like the KK player threw the ball away, not sure you can turn a sideline into a free for that ?
If ( I haven't seen this game btw) you interfere at a sideline ball decision against the other team it's a free, has been a free for a good few years now
It looked like the KK player over ran the ball over the sideline, and then tossed the ball away - hard to tell
Savage result for Carlow.
Pity it wasn't televised!
KK were absolutely brutal, even for being down a man. Hit 16 wides and if it wasn't for two monster scores from TJ (who'd been poor all day) they'd have been beaten.
Quote from: Saffrongael on May 11, 2024, 06:25:08 PMIt looked like the KK player over ran the ball over the sideline, and then tossed the ball away - hard to tell
Must have been as couldn't see anything else. Ref made a "pulling back" that I couldn't understand at all.
Ok, so how much will Limerick win by? I'm gonna say 8.
Quote from: gallsman on May 11, 2024, 07:44:00 PMOk, so how much will Limerick win by? I'm gonna say 8.
That'll be a good bet now
Quote from: Saffrongael on May 11, 2024, 06:25:08 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on May 11, 2024, 06:22:28 PMQuote from: Saffrongael on May 11, 2024, 06:12:07 PMQuote from: gallsman on May 11, 2024, 06:08:02 PMKK absolutely dreadful since the red card but what on earth was that free for?!
Looked like the KK player threw the ball away, not sure you can turn a sideline into a free for that ?
If ( I haven't seen this game btw) you interfere at a sideline ball decision against the other team it's a free, has been a free for a good few years now
It looked like the KK player over ran the ball over the sideline, and then tossed the ball away - hard to tell
If he did that then it's a free. And players must know that is a free! Mad how intercounty players do that
Cork are winning
49 mins: Cork 2-20 Limerick 1-16
Quote from: seafoid on May 11, 2024, 08:13:41 PMCork are winning
49 mins: Cork 2-20 Limerick 1-16
Probably not for much longer, some absolutely brainless stuff for the Limerick goals
2-23 to 3-21 Limerick on top
Cork have shit the bed.
Quote from: Gael85 on May 11, 2024, 08:26:42 PMCork have shit the bed.
Every team that plays Limerick shit the bed.
You can match them possibly for 60 minutes, Kilkenny had that also.
Go toe to toe for a period and the shear athleticism, skill, drive brings them through.
1 point in it
Penalty scored
Cork 3-27 Limerick 3-26
Quote from: Gael85 on May 11, 2024, 08:26:42 PMCork have shit the bed.
Limerick beat them to it!
Jaysus
What a game!
Well done Cork.
3-28 to 3-26
Quote from: gallsman on May 11, 2024, 07:44:00 PMOk, so how much will Limerick win by? I'm gonna say 8.
Was feeling good about this when Flanagan's second went in.
First time a team has responded to limerick's 3rd quarter push. Incredible run from Kingston to win the penalty.
Football shits the bed with regards to entertainment
What a game
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 11, 2024, 08:42:17 PMFootball shits the bed with regards to entertainment
Unfortunatley very true, when you think of the comparison of that and the
Armagh V Down game tow weeks ago.
btw Mike Finnerty is such a better commentator that Marty or (its a huge one) Ger
Quote from: joemamas on May 11, 2024, 08:46:48 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on May 11, 2024, 08:42:17 PMFootball shits the bed with regards to entertainment
Unfortunatley very true, when you think of the comparison of that and the
Armagh V Down game tow weeks ago.
btw Mike Finnerty is such a better commentator that Marty or (its a huge one) Ger
Clare v Limerick was game of year then this one turns up!
Mental effort for both, Limerick hate losing
Babs Keating Says Hurling Should Break Away From Croke Park and "Run Their Own Organisation"
"I'm saying it loud and clear, the first thing hurling counties should do is break from Croke Park and run their own association".
(Babs Keating)
"but more than anything he finds himself growing increasingly concerned about the state of the GAA; where it's going, what it stands for, who it represents".
"I'm saying it loud and clear, the first thing hurling counties should do is break from Croke Park and run their own association".
No intercounty activity in August or September, the tinkering with the age grades and what he sees as the ostracisation of older people by the GAA, none of it sits well with him. And then there's hurling.
"Hurling is treated as a second-class citizen and it's never going to get enough support in the current arrangement, because football dominates in terms of votes. Hurling counties should go out on their own and do so immediately."
source: irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games
When Limerick took the lead and got to 4 points ahead I thought Cork were goners. However Cork clung on and got to within striking distance and Kingston and Horgan did the rest.
Some game in Cork. Well done The Rebels for hanging in there then getting over the line.
Great game altogether. Why wasn't this on tv? Madness. Instead of this dross tomorrow.
Cork only have 2pts so another knock-out game V Tipp next week-end. Should be a great occasion in Thurles.
Cork will need to get down to earth again asap and get the bodies right.
Re: Carlow V KK. Never seen a few like that awarded before and I've seen loads of lads beating the ball away after going over the sideline.
Well played Carlow. Big heart kept them in it and KK couldn't put them away. They hit a lot of wides and let Carlow hang in the game. Both Munster and Leinster groups are hanging in the balance.
Great entertainment.
Quote from: marty34 on May 11, 2024, 09:26:04 PMSome game in Cork. Well done The Rebels for hanging in there then getting over the line.
Great game altogether. Why wasn't this on tv? Madness. Instead of this dross tomorrow.
Cork only have 2pts so another knock-out game V Tipp next week-end. Should be a great occasion in Thurles.
Cork will need to get down to earth again asap and get the bodies right.
Re: Carlow V KK. Never seen a few like that awarded before and I've seen loads of lads beating the ball away after going over the sideline.
Well played Carlow. Big heart kept them in it and KK couldn't put them away. They hit a lot of wides and let Carlow hang in the game. Both Munster and Leinster groups are hanging in the balance.
Great entertainment.
You know it's a rule though? Done it plenty
Soem beating for Antrim today in a game that some had as a 50/50 game, Antrim just can't do it outside Corrigan
How many go out of the group stages?
Quote from: square_ball on May 11, 2024, 10:46:10 PMHow many go out of the group stages?
Bottom team in Leinster relegated, top 2 in each province in final, third plays a prelim QF V Joe McDonagh finalists
Quote from: Saffrongael on May 11, 2024, 11:28:12 PMQuote from: square_ball on May 11, 2024, 10:46:10 PMHow many go out of the group stages?
Bottom team in Leinster relegated, top 2 in each province in final, third plays a prelim QF V Joe McDonagh finalists
Neil McManus was asked what needs to change on TSG yesterday and he said stop relegating teams. Make the hurling pool bigger.
Quote from: seafoid on May 12, 2024, 01:07:35 PMQuote from: Saffrongael on May 11, 2024, 11:28:12 PMQuote from: square_ball on May 11, 2024, 10:46:10 PMHow many go out of the group stages?
Bottom team in Leinster relegated, top 2 in each province in final, third plays a prelim QF V Joe McDonagh finalists
Neil McManus was asked what needs to change on TSG yesterday and he said stop relegating teams. Make the hurling pool bigger.
We know that won't work.
Some game in the pairc last night..
Fair play to Cork, they went straight down the throat of the Limerick defence with long ball and broke it off for the runners coming in late from deep. They created some great goals and left some behind them as well which you thought might cost them in the end.
The Limerick onslaught arrived at the start of the second half with Cork struggling to get scores and once Limerick took the lead the general feeling was that was Cork gone for the year, but fair play to them, they showed a good bit of fight and were hanging on with a few scores of their own to keep it a one score game and got their reward with the penalty which you knew Horgan was going to finish off in style.
Limerick have let teams get leads on them once too often and got caught out last night.
Their full back line now looks a bit light, Lynch was very quiet throughout. Flanagan turned up as did Guillane, but some of the others didn't and that will be a concern for Kiely and Co.
A special mention to both referees in Carlow and Cork, they had the bottle to make the right decisions no matter what, Stack was entirely right to award the penalty right at the death when Hayes rugby tackled the Cork lad bearing down on goal. In hindsight he'd have been better off letting him get his shot off under pressure and at an angle rather than the penalty.
He also took no shit from the Cork keeper and his bollocking about.
Credit where its due.
Even if Cork beat Tipp, they could still go out on head to head as both Clare and Waterford have beaten them.
Still a lot to be decided yet in both provinces.
Lynch has generally been quiet since the injury. Understandable given the severity of it, but surprised he's kept his place this long while being so far off his exceptional standards.
Kyle Hayes finally on the receiving end of a bit of discipline. If the judiciary can't do it, the refs will have to step up!
Quote from: gallsman on May 12, 2024, 02:07:26 PMLynch has generally been quiet since the injury. Understandable given the severity of it, but surprised he's kept his place this long while being so far off his exceptional standards.
Kyle Hayes finally on the receiving end of a bit of discipline. If the judiciary can't do it, the refs will have to step up!
Lynch getting caught on the ball more and more, maybe it has been lack of game time or whether the injuries have caught up with him a bit.
He is a huge cog in the machine and if teams can get to him then they can get a foothold in the games.
Stopping the Limerick powerhorses through the tackle is bring results, reducing the throws handpasses have brought results too, thought Cork for most parts brought that to the game..
Easier said than done considering the size of these lads, and they have a fair bit of skill too.
Not sure if Aaron Gillane scored from play, and that is a huge ask also, so a few things went well for Cork on the day..
The only time though to beat Limerick is in Knockout
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 13, 2024, 10:53:37 AMStopping the Limerick powerhorses through the tackle is bring results, reducing the throws handpasses have brought results too, thought Cork for most parts brought that to the game..
Easier said than done considering the size of these lads, and they have a fair bit of skill too.
Not sure if Aaron Gillane scored from play, and that is a huge ask also, so a few things went well for Cork on the day..
The only time though to beat Limerick is in Knockout
It is, but Cork had no choice as their own championship life depended on getting the win, they were full blooded in that regard, but the question is, were Limerick?
Even with this defeat they're still favourites for the Munster final with Waterford left in their sights in two weeks time.
Clare beat Waterford and there's the Munster final pairings sorted.
Tipp need to beat Cork or they're out also.
Both are on RTE so that'll please everyone including Donal Óg and any OAP's who've no internet up a mountain somewhere who'd never been able to see the game anyway before GAAGO.
Cork to bate Tipp and the hay won't be saved either.
Clare to scrape past Waterford, purely on the fact they're at home which is a tough place to go, but if Davy can't get Waterford primed for this then there's no hope for Waterford who finish the campaign at Limerick!
The more I think of it, that draw between Waterford and Tipp has bolloxed both of them, although I think Tipp are out of contention after this Sunday anyway, but I can see Waterford ending the round robin on three and even if Tipp did manage to beat Clare on the last day they'd have three points to Clare and Corks four.
Clare would progress to the Munster final on the head to head and Cork get the third spot out of Munster.
Galway and Kilkenny to resume normal service this weekend as Lyng would have booted some serious Kilkenny hole over this week and Dublin will need to really fired up for this one. I might get feisty in Parnell as both wanting to lay down a marker...
Wexford visit the neighbours and as much as the jerseys will be very colourful I don't expect Wexford to slip up in this one.
Carlow may struggle to get two top class performances back to back.
Dublin giving Kilkenny a game here..
Decent game so far 1-12 0-16
Davy Fitzgerald making a show of himself again.
Tough way to lose. Don't know if that was a guess from the umpire or not be he got it right.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 19, 2024, 03:36:52 PMDavy Fitzgerald making a show of himself again.
A passionate man...
Umpire got it right, not sure though by accident or design.
De Búrca's swinging hurl on ground tipped it out but very hard to see in real time.
I needed the replay to see it on tv so hard in real time.
Great game but Rogers had handy effort to put Clare up by 4pts with a few minutes left but his effort was poor. The penalty for Waterford was harsh enough. He was going down before the hurl came in over the shoulder. Some penalty by Bennett though.
I thought Clare were going to throw it away. They were well in control but Waterford had a lot of possession and hit some great points via Mahony and Fitzgerald.
Clare were reliant on goals and created plenty of chances. Lohan will be happy with the win but plenty to work on.
Quote from: marty34 on May 19, 2024, 04:11:12 PMUmpire got it right, not sure though by accident or design.
De Búrca's swinging hurl on ground tipped it out but very hard to see in real time.
I needed the replay to see it on tv so hard in real time.
Great game but Rogers had handy effort to put Clare up by 4pts with a few minutes left but his effort was poor. The penalty for Waterford was harsh enough. He was going down before the hurl came in over the shoulder. Some penalty by Bennett though.
I thought Clare were going to throw it away. They were well in control but Waterford had a lot of possession and hit some great points via Mahony and Fitzgerald.
Clare were reliant on goals and created plenty of chances. Lohan will be happy with the win but plenty to work on.
All of that is correct. There is no way that umpire knew for certain as it was a mess of sticks and legs.
Some sea of red in Thurles.
Regardless of how he arrived at the decision, the replay clearly shows that it was the correct one and that's all that matters.
Don't know what there is to yap about.
A perfect way for Cork to finish off that half.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on May 19, 2024, 04:34:35 PMRegardless of how he arrived at the decision, the replay clearly shows that it was the correct one and that's all that matters.
Don't know what there is to yap about.
Davy has a screw loose may have something to do with it.
Cork have serious pace up top.
A hatrick and all fine goals.
Been a long time I've seen Tipp be so poor at home, ever!
42 points!
On the Clare game, hard one to lose, ref just coulda blew for full time without giving the 65 as I think time had elapsed as it went over the line.
Umpire was a hell of a lot closer that and poster on here so was best placed to call it and call it correctly he did.
Davy needs a good ban for his antics today, really embarrassing
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Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on May 19, 2024, 04:34:35 PMRegardless of how he arrived at the decision, the replay clearly shows that it was the correct one and that's all that matters.
Don't know what there is to yap about.
He was yapping that the 65 was not taken behind the 65 yard line! It was taken a yard inside it. He told the linesman and the 3rd official and they decided not to intervene. Still petty!
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 19, 2024, 07:23:41 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on May 19, 2024, 04:34:35 PMRegardless of how he arrived at the decision, the replay clearly shows that it was the correct one and that's all that matters.
Don't know what there is to yap about.
He was yapping that the 65 was not taken behind the 65 yard line! It was taken a yard inside it. He told the linesman and the 3rd official and they decided not to intervene. Still petty!
Yeah he was well inside the 65, poor from officials there imo
Yeah, he was complaining about that. It was placed well over the line and by the time he lifts, moves and eventually strikes it, it about 6 yards closer.
In fairness, it shouldn't make much difference for a free-taker 70 yards out but the thing was Rogers wasnn't on the frees and it was a pressure shot for him as Mc Carthy was gone off.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 19, 2024, 07:40:10 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on May 19, 2024, 07:23:41 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on May 19, 2024, 04:34:35 PMRegardless of how he arrived at the decision, the replay clearly shows that it was the correct one and that's all that matters.
Don't know what there is to yap about.
He was yapping that the 65 was not taken behind the 65 yard line! It was taken a yard inside it. He told the linesman and the 3rd official and they decided not to intervene. Still petty!
Yeah he was well inside the 65, poor from officials there imo
He was the size of his foot away from line.. made zero difference, ball sailed clean over bar, players always set the ball a foot in front, yes ref could have moved it back, but the linesman shoulda done that. he was losing it before the 65 btw
Yeah fair enough it didn't make a difference. Was he going mad over the fact he thought it was a wide not a 65? He'd want to have some eyesight to have known from where he was!
"I don't think they knew. I think it was a guess at the end of it, that's what it looked like.
"All the boys were saying to me they hadn't a clue. It's just hard. We probably deserved a puckout."
No, Davy, you would have liked a puckout. You certainly didn't deserve one.
It looked like Waterford should have had a 65 at the very start, when Quilligan knocked it wide. Fine margins. Some of the umpiring was very poor today in both games
Watching it live I thought as the umpire was so close to and made his way to the place where the ball went over the line I thought straight away he was calling a 65'
Fair play, and getting it correct was very good umpiring so not all bad.
Hopefully Davy gets a good ban for that mad outburst at the end. When have Waterford made it out of the group stages since it changed?
Clare were finding it easier to score a goal than a point in the second half. That poor shooting from easy chances for points nearly cost them the game.
Cork have really caught fire in the last 2 weeks. They look like all ireland winners on this form.
Quote from: Kidder81 on May 19, 2024, 09:02:23 PMIt looked like Waterford should have had a 65 at the very start, when Quilligan knocked it wide. Fine margins. Some of the umpiring was very poor today in both games
Yeah,that looked as if he put it iut for a 65 alright. Strange one.
Quote from: Capt Pat on May 19, 2024, 09:12:16 PMClare were finding it easier to score a goal than a point in the second half. That poor shooting from easy chances for points nearly cost them the game.
Cork have really caught fire in the last 2 weeks. They look like all ireland winners on this form.
Still not sure what Cork will turn up. They had some following in Thurles today. Like a home match for them. Be interesting to see where they finish up this year. Last year, they weren't that far off- only beat by a point or two in a few games. So they have improved enough to get the wins. They weren't hammered last year. You could see the progress.
On a big pitch, they have serious pace up top. Connolly is a real goal threat now. Straight for goal. The goal Cork got on half-time was a killer for Tipp. Half-time talk changes for both. Nobody put a tackle in.
Next goal was poor. Barret was down injured (hamstring I think) and then Hogan gives him the puck out. He fumbles and gets turned over...bang goal. Hogan shouldn't have went short to him at that time....madness.
Tipp are in big bother I think. Be a few years before they're back. Big changing of the guard now you'd think - Mc Graths, Ronan Maher and Bonnar Maher etc. Will Cahill be the man to oversee the change over?
Downey's at 3 and 6 are good. Improving with each game. Hard for Joyce to get back in again. Kingston is some lad coming off the bench. 4 pts in a 15 mins spell. Only thing is that he's now nearly a sub because of this impact in recent games.
Big win for Wexford V Carlow. For all their effort,it'll be a big battle for survival between Carlow and Antrim. They could find it hard to come back up again as Mc Donagh is tough.
Plenty to play for in the other 2 games in Leinster. Management will be tuned into the other game I'm sure.
Some scramble in Munster: Q: if two teams are on same points does it be decided on score difference or their head-to-head?
Head to head.
Quote from: burdizzo on May 19, 2024, 09:48:01 PMHead to head.
Quote from: burdizzo on May 19, 2024, 09:48:01 PMHead to head.
Yeah head to head if two teams, scoring difference across all games if more than two teams
Leinster slightly different, it's scoring difference in games between the teams involved
Waterford draw with Limerick and Clare beat Tipp and Cork are gone!
What are the odds on that?
Clare have been the dominant team in lots of games but seem to be always hanging on in the end, they really don't rack up enough scores that their play merits.
Cork are the opposite, they'll absolutely hammer a team who's slightly off the pace at all, but will then struggle in a tight game against the better teams.
Dublin can consider themselves unlucky on Saturday evening, I watched a lot of that game thanks to GAAGO ;) and they played some fine hurling, TJ was quiet, Eoin Cody was quiet but John Donnelly stood up and was the difference in the two teams.
Lyng will be desperate to get Mullin back on the park, but two really poor performances on the bounce doesn't auger well for later in the year.
Quote from: johnnycool on May 20, 2024, 08:49:37 AMWaterford draw with Limerick and Clare beat Tipp and Cork are gone!
What are the odds on that?
Clare have been the dominant team in lots of games but seem to be always hanging on in the end, they really don't rack up enough scores that their play merits.
Cork are the opposite, they'll absolutely hammer a team who's slightly off the pace at all, but will then struggle in a tight game against the better teams.
Dublin can consider themselves unlucky on Saturday evening, I watched a lot of that game thanks to GAAGO ;) and they played some fine hurling, TJ was quiet, Eoin Cody was quiet but John Donnelly stood up and was the difference in the two teams.
Lyng will be desperate to get Mullin back on the park, but two really poor performances on the bounce doesn't auger well for later in the year.
Waterford draw with Limerick and Clare beat Tipp and Cork are gone! That is mad altogether!
Kilkenny missing a goal getting machine.. all fine and dandy knocking over points, but they are getting caught out with goals against them and not knocking in a few goals themselves.
With Waterford I have no idea which team is going to show up, they could beat Limerick, though I doubt it as Limerick really need to get into championship mode from this point, I've never seen Tipp that bad in my lifetime.
Would be mental if those results Johnnycool came up and Cork were sent packing
Tipp were in it at half time and just after it for a bit too is the mad thing. They seemed to capitulate. Your man Kingston (not to take away from him) scored 4 points in a row from more or less the same place on the pitch. Would you not think they'd maybe get wise to that either management or players??
Can't see Waterford taking anything from Limerick as Limerick will be out to get to the final. What I do expect is Davy to be wired to the moon for it.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 20, 2024, 09:15:50 AMTipp were in it at half time and just after it for a bit too is the mad thing. They seemed to capitulate. Your man Kingston (not to take away from him) scored 4 points in a row from more or less the same place on the pitch. Would you not think they'd maybe get wise to that either management or players??
Can't see Waterford taking anything from Limerick as Limerick will be out to get to the final. What I do expect is Davy to be wired to the moon for it.
That game is a knockout game for Limerick also, Waterford win it and Limerick are gone as they'll lose out on the head-to-head with Cork with both on 4 points.
Davy Fitz expends so much (negative) energy fighting losing battles along the line it's surely bound to have a knockon effect on the team. I get the siege mentality but it wears thin after a while.
I'd have criticised his teams in the past for sitting way deep and being too defensive, but there was absolutely no-one tracking the Clare runners when they broke the ball down in midfield and Clare left a few goals behind them also.
In Leinster, f**k knows who'll make it out of that 4 way dogfight, let alone who'll be in the final...
I think Kilkenny will get one of the three spots out, but they might not be in the final as Wexford definitely won't fear them and with McDonald, O'Connor and Chin finding form with the Kilkenny defence at 6's and 7's they could make serious inroads in Nowlan park.
Dublin will fancy a real crack at this Galway team in Salthill as they still look pretty lacking in confidence and leadership on the pitch.
Another weekend with probably more questions than answers for a lot of the teams.
Tipp need a serious rethink but even at that, I'm not seeing any young talent bursting through their current squad.
As for Davy, had the Clare selector stayed out it there would have been nothing too it. He had no need to be there at that point any way, must be some serious bad blood between the backroom teams in general.
Davy and Lohan have a very unhealthy relationship. I expect it's the same for a good few of them. I don't know the full ins and outs but a lot of stuff there with his da etc.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 20, 2024, 10:41:53 AMDavy and Lohan have a very unhealthy relationship. I expect it's the same for a good few of them. I don't know the full ins and outs but a lot of stuff there with his da etc.
If you ever get a chance there used to be a thread on Clare hurlers on how Brian Lohan got the job. He wasn't even interviewed for the job even though he'd expressed an interest in going for it and it was going to another (highly regarded coach all the same) lad known to be friendly with Davy and his Da only for a delegate to complain about how Brian was treated and then some other delegates rowed in behind and lo and behold he got appointed.
Some of the goings on in the Clare CB would take some beating, and in his first year Lohan had to put his hand into his own pocket for a lot of stuff for the panel of players before a separate organisation or supporters club got together to finance them and the centre of excellence...
Yeh main issue apparently is the Fitzgibbon game years ago when they were managing LIT & UL (I think)
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Yeah, that's how it started.
Taking over the warm up area of another team...that had already been set up and ready to go, while the other college was in the changing room.
The men in the bushes!!
Quote from: johnnycool on May 20, 2024, 04:23:43 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on May 20, 2024, 10:41:53 AMDavy and Lohan have a very unhealthy relationship. I expect it's the same for a good few of them. I don't know the full ins and outs but a lot of stuff there with his da etc.
If you ever get a chance there used to be a thread on Clare hurlers on how Brian Lohan got the job. He wasn't even interviewed for the job even though he'd expressed an interest in going for it and it was going to another (highly regarded coach all the same) lad known to be friendly with Davy and his Da only for a delegate to complain about how Brian was treated and then some other delegates rowed in behind and lo and behold he got appointed.
Some of the goings on in the Clare CB would take some beating, and in his first year Lohan had to put his hand into his own pocket for a lot of stuff for the panel of players before a separate organisation or supporters club got together to finance them and the centre of excellence...
Yeah, Lohan has to pay for a meal with his own credit/bank card.
Tipp pick up the Munster minor title with a good win over Clare last night, they're also in the U20 final on friday evening playing Cork, something positive in a very dark week for Tipp GAA.
The young Offaly fans are mad to get on the field to celebrate.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 22, 2024, 08:51:05 PMThe young Offaly fans are mad to get on the field to celebrate.
Got a replay in '98, could have cost a win tonight. Thankfully it didn't. Great win
Quote from: Muck Savage on May 22, 2024, 10:49:04 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on May 22, 2024, 08:51:05 PMThe young Offaly fans are mad to get on the field to celebrate.
Got a replay in '98, could have cost a win tonight. Thankfully it didn't. Great win
Was there ordinary time still to be played?
I suspect the Leinster council, nor the Portlaoise officials expected such a crowd and were short on stewards.
Quote from: johnnycool on May 23, 2024, 10:44:15 AMQuote from: Muck Savage on May 22, 2024, 10:49:04 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on May 22, 2024, 08:51:05 PMThe young Offaly fans are mad to get on the field to celebrate.
Got a replay in '98, could have cost a win tonight. Thankfully it didn't. Great win
Was there ordinary time still to be played?
I suspect the Leinster council, nor the Portlaoise officials expected such a crowd and were short on stewards.
They'd have known from all the tickets sold on-line.
Huge Offaly crowds follow their U20 teams. O'Moore Park next door to Offaly basically.
Screeny is some operator. Class act.
Cork Echo doing the sums.
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Quote from: johnnycool on May 23, 2024, 03:57:54 PMCork Echo doing the sums.
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Basically KK through whatever happens but a real battle for the other two spots.
Be interesting to see who's in the Leinster Final.
Wexford have had Kilkenny's no. this past few years BUT KK had already qualified for the Leinster Final.
This is a bit different.
Who are 'Kilkeny'?
Where doe the Cork v Limerick game rank in terms of greatness for people? For me it is propbebly the best I have ever seen as I was sure Cork would not be able t okeep up that intensity for teh full game. The levels of skill at such a level were insane.
I have not seen a match like that where I was totally absorbed in it since the Kilkenny v Tipp final in 2009 where a team was able to really match the great Cats team who also won 4 on the bounce.
Quote from: Joeythelips on July 10, 2024, 11:06:29 AMWhere doe the Cork v Limerick game rank in terms of greatness for people? For me it is propbebly the best I have ever seen as I was sure Cork would not be able t okeep up that intensity for teh full game. The levels of skill at such a level were insane.
I have not seen a match like that where I was totally absorbed in it since the Kilkenny v Tipp final in 2009 where a team was able to really match the great Cats team who also won 4 on the bounce.
The Cork and Limerick game in the Munster Championship this year was as intense and skills levels off the chart for that game.
Limerick and Cork have certainly lifted the bar this year for the games. Hoping the final is as close.
Galway finally getting over the line was a decent final too
Quote from: Joeythelips on July 10, 2024, 11:06:29 AMWhere doe the Cork v Limerick game rank in terms of greatness for people? For me it is propbebly the best I have ever seen as I was sure Cork would not be able t okeep up that intensity for teh full game. The levels of skill at such a level were insane.
I have not seen a match like that where I was totally absorbed in it since the Kilkenny v Tipp final in 2009 where a team was able to really match the great Cats team who also won 4 on the bounce.
I'd be inclined to agree.
Certainly the 20 minute spell after half time was the best period of hurling I've ever seen
I don't think I have ever seen a ref allow a keeper to take puck outs so quickly and that contributed massively.
One thing about Cork is that they hammer it home when they see a weakness. I don't think I have ever seen a team where they have hit a point from the same place and the same player in such quick succession like that and that is the second time they have done it this year. Kingston hit something like 5 the way Dalton hit 3 in a row at the weekend. They just hammer it home.
That being said I am not sure they will win the final...
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 11, 2024, 09:18:20 AMI don't think I have ever seen a ref allow a keeper to take puck outs so quickly and that contributed massively.
One thing about Cork is that they hammer it home when they see a weakness. I don't think I have ever seen a team where they have hit a point from the same place and the same player in such quick succession like that and that is the second time they have done it this year. Kingston hit something like 5 the way Dalton hit 3 in a row at the weekend. They just hammer it home.
That being said I am not sure they will win the final...
A few lads on analysis on twitter pointing out how crucial the quick puckout was to Corks gameplan and the number of scores they got from them was unreal.
It prevented Limerick from getting their defensive lines set up and allowed large spaces to appear in the Limerick rearguard.
Clare will be weary of that and will probably try to slow the puck outs down by keeping someone deep in the 6yrd area to get it the keepers way if he does try to go quick.
I think Clare will be happier to be facing Cork than Limerick, they've had the better of Cork in the last few years and also have gotten over KK without playing well at all.
We could be in for a 2013 style classic yet again.
Quote from: johnnycool on July 11, 2024, 11:16:56 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on July 11, 2024, 09:18:20 AMI don't think I have ever seen a ref allow a keeper to take puck outs so quickly and that contributed massively.
One thing about Cork is that they hammer it home when they see a weakness. I don't think I have ever seen a team where they have hit a point from the same place and the same player in such quick succession like that and that is the second time they have done it this year. Kingston hit something like 5 the way Dalton hit 3 in a row at the weekend. They just hammer it home.
That being said I am not sure they will win the final...
A few lads on analysis on twitter pointing out how crucial the quick puckout was to Corks gameplan and the number of scores they got from them was unreal.
It prevented Limerick from getting their defensive lines set up and allowed large spaces to appear in the Limerick rearguard.
Clare will be weary of that and will probably try to slow the puck outs down by keeping someone deep in the 6yrd area to get it the keepers way if he does try to go quick.
I think Clare will be happier to be facing Cork than Limerick, they've had the better of Cork in the last few years and also have gotten over KK without playing well at all.
We could be in for a 2013 style classic yet again.
If they do try and slow it down, they'll be warned once and booked a second time, would be a silly booking to get
At intercounty level the lads are outside the 21 before the keeper has a ball in his hand
Refs on either a score or a wide (at that level) give two quick blows, one for the score or wide and one to restart
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 11, 2024, 01:36:37 PMQuote from: johnnycool on July 11, 2024, 11:16:56 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on July 11, 2024, 09:18:20 AMI don't think I have ever seen a ref allow a keeper to take puck outs so quickly and that contributed massively.
One thing about Cork is that they hammer it home when they see a weakness. I don't think I have ever seen a team where they have hit a point from the same place and the same player in such quick succession like that and that is the second time they have done it this year. Kingston hit something like 5 the way Dalton hit 3 in a row at the weekend. They just hammer it home.
That being said I am not sure they will win the final...
A few lads on analysis on twitter pointing out how crucial the quick puckout was to Corks gameplan and the number of scores they got from them was unreal.
It prevented Limerick from getting their defensive lines set up and allowed large spaces to appear in the Limerick rearguard.
Clare will be weary of that and will probably try to slow the puck outs down by keeping someone deep in the 6yrd area to get it the keepers way if he does try to go quick.
I think Clare will be happier to be facing Cork than Limerick, they've had the better of Cork in the last few years and also have gotten over KK without playing well at all.
We could be in for a 2013 style classic yet again.
If they do try and slow it down, they'll be warned once and booked a second time, would be a silly booking to get
At intercounty level the lads are outside the 21 before the keeper has a ball in his hand
Refs on either a score or a wide (at that level) give two quick blows, one for the score or wide and one to restart
If I'm standing on the edge of the square, the ball flys wide, surely I'm allowed a "reasonable" amount of time to get outside the 20 metre line?
If I chose to take a line in front of the keeper to do so would just be incidental ;)
Quote from: johnnycool on July 11, 2024, 01:39:06 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on July 11, 2024, 01:36:37 PMQuote from: johnnycool on July 11, 2024, 11:16:56 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on July 11, 2024, 09:18:20 AMI don't think I have ever seen a ref allow a keeper to take puck outs so quickly and that contributed massively.
One thing about Cork is that they hammer it home when they see a weakness. I don't think I have ever seen a team where they have hit a point from the same place and the same player in such quick succession like that and that is the second time they have done it this year. Kingston hit something like 5 the way Dalton hit 3 in a row at the weekend. They just hammer it home.
That being said I am not sure they will win the final...
A few lads on analysis on twitter pointing out how crucial the quick puckout was to Corks gameplan and the number of scores they got from them was unreal.
It prevented Limerick from getting their defensive lines set up and allowed large spaces to appear in the Limerick rearguard.
Clare will be weary of that and will probably try to slow the puck outs down by keeping someone deep in the 6yrd area to get it the keepers way if he does try to go quick.
I think Clare will be happier to be facing Cork than Limerick, they've had the better of Cork in the last few years and also have gotten over KK without playing well at all.
We could be in for a 2013 style classic yet again.
If they do try and slow it down, they'll be warned once and booked a second time, would be a silly booking to get
At intercounty level the lads are outside the 21 before the keeper has a ball in his hand
Refs on either a score or a wide (at that level) give two quick blows, one for the score or wide and one to restart
If I'm standing on the edge of the square, the ball flys wide, surely I'm allowed a "reasonable" amount of time to get outside the 20 metre line?
If I chose to take a line in front of the keeper to do so would just be incidental ;)
My interpretation would be 'he's acting the bollix' if the defenders at intercounty level in a final can get outside the 21 then there is absolutely no reason a forward can't do the same.
These are conversations that the ref will have with the keepers, as long as the defending team is outside I'm happy enough for the keeper to belt out the ball, by the same token if the keeper is acting the bollox slowing it down I just keep adding the time
Is this Irish Tribune X feed reputable?
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Need to fill in some pages in the paper, what would be news worthy...
Seany, see if you get me a load of inhalers and throw them on to the counter...
Can't believe that a Munster registered Vehicle would be on that stretch of the road!
If you are going to come up with a story like that.
Have pictures of the lads all sitting in the changing rooms inhaling inhalers lol
Or someone jumping off the team bus throwing them in the bin
I always wondered how well Galway played in the second half in the football final many years ago when the won it, they came out in the second half and blew them away
Quote from: johnnycool on July 11, 2024, 01:49:54 PMIs this Irish Tribune X feed reputable?
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Read the crap on it.
Not remotely.
Now we're coming to the end of the Inter County hurling season, what's everyone's take on the final?
Are Cork going to reproduce their semi-final performance and blow Clare out of the water?
Are Clare, now that they've gotten over Kilkenny in an AI semi-final and Ryan Taylor back going to upset the formbook and get one over on Cork for the third time in two years at championship hurling?
Cork will be going in as favourites and rightly so as that once some performance against Limerick, the problem is that they now have to replicate it as a lot of what they did went right for them, very high percentages of their shots resulted in scores and that hasn't always been the case for them.
Clare haven't really hit their normal heights yet here they are in the last two, can Lohan get a lot of their key players up another level?
Kelly, David Fitzgerald, Malone etc etc haven't hit their previous peaks, Duggan in fits and starts, with only Hogan, Leen and David McInerny and O'Donnell really on form.
The rest will need to set up on Sunday and I think they just might.
Much being made of the weakness of their 3 and 6 though, lack of pace, but Conlon isn't easy got past and both will cope well with the high ball if Cork decide to go direct but Cleary won't want much space in front of himself and Brian Hayes.
Clare will need to win clean ball in this area are Cork rely on the ball breaking off and them having the runners bombing through for their goal opportunities..
Roll on Sunday, hoping for a Clare win, but more importantly a good, hard game.
Hoping that it's a good game too, can't see it not being considering there will be a different name on the cup for the last few years.
Cork have beaten Limerick twice this year, after the humiliating defeats in the past these players have evolved into winners.
Replicating that intensity again on Sunday will be the key, if they do then nothing Clare can throw at them will make a difference.
Clare need a few things to go their way, a Cork slump, that's possible considering the mountain they've climbed, or they click and everything they touch goes over or in the back of net.
Cork would be deserving winners but I've a niggling feeling Clare could keep this tight and maybe like last time get their noses in front at the death..
Either way i expect an open enough game with plenty of goal opportunities
No ticket yet >:(
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 15, 2024, 03:33:49 PMHoping that it's a good game too, can't see it not being considering there will be a different name on the cup for the last few years.
Cork have beaten Limerick twice this year, after the humiliating defeats in the past these players have evolved into winners.
Replicating that intensity again on Sunday will be the key, if they do then nothing Clare can throw at them will make a difference.
Clare need a few things to go their way, a Cork slump, that's possible considering the mountain they've climbed, or they click and everything they touch goes over or in the back of net.
Cork would be deserving winners but I've a niggling feeling Clare could keep this tight and maybe like last time get their noses in front at the death..
Either way i expect an open enough game with plenty of goal opportunities
No ticket yet >:(
Referees in Antrim not get the option of a ticket?
Quote from: johnnycool on July 15, 2024, 05:08:16 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on July 15, 2024, 03:33:49 PMHoping that it's a good game too, can't see it not being considering there will be a different name on the cup for the last few years.
Cork have beaten Limerick twice this year, after the humiliating defeats in the past these players have evolved into winners.
Replicating that intensity again on Sunday will be the key, if they do then nothing Clare can throw at them will make a difference.
Clare need a few things to go their way, a Cork slump, that's possible considering the mountain they've climbed, or they click and everything they touch goes over or in the back of net.
Cork would be deserving winners but I've a niggling feeling Clare could keep this tight and maybe like last time get their noses in front at the death..
Either way i expect an open enough game with plenty of goal opportunities
No ticket yet >:(
Referees in Antrim not get the option of a ticket?
All depends on how much counties get overall .. we do a draw
i have 4 premium tickets avail for hurling fia=nal if someone has 4 premium for football final to swap?
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Crazy stats, Cork have scored four more than conceded over their games while Clare have scored 1 more than their total conceded scores!
3 point win Cork ;)
Cork were within seconds of being out of the championship. Maybe their luck will run out in the final?
Quote from: Cyril Farrell fan on July 17, 2024, 09:18:06 PMCork were within seconds of being out of the championship. Maybe their luck will run out in the final?
They've beaten Limerick twice, you'd need a serious amount of luck to do that twice.
That said Clare have shown that they can stick with teams and get over the line, they've also beaten Cork, but lost to Limerick twice, can be too reliant on Shane to get them going.
The first ten minutes will tell, who gets over their nerves first
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 17, 2024, 10:09:25 PMQuote from: Cyril Farrell fan on July 17, 2024, 09:18:06 PMCork were within seconds of being out of the championship. Maybe their luck will run out in the final?
They've beaten Limerick twice, you'd need a serious amount of luck to do that twice.
That said Clare have shown that they can stick with teams and get over the line, they've also beaten Cork, but lost to Limerick twice, can be too reliant on Shane to get them going.
The first ten minutes will tell, who gets over their nerves first
Clare are delighted it's not Limerick they're facing.
They don't fear Cork the same way.
Quote from: Cyril Farrell fan on July 18, 2024, 09:49:54 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on July 17, 2024, 10:09:25 PMQuote from: Cyril Farrell fan on July 17, 2024, 09:18:06 PMCork were within seconds of being out of the championship. Maybe their luck will run out in the final?
They've beaten Limerick twice, you'd need a serious amount of luck to do that twice.
That said Clare have shown that they can stick with teams and get over the line, they've also beaten Cork, but lost to Limerick twice, can be too reliant on Shane to get them going.
The first ten minutes will tell, who gets over their nerves first
Clare are delighted it's not Limerick they're facing.
They don't fear Cork the same way.
Yeah, they have as I said beaten them already this year, the problem Cork have is getting it back up to that level again, but its an All Ireland final and for Cork this last load of years they don't come about as much as they used to, and the beating they took the last day on finals day would have hurt..
Free hit for Clare and will be on a high to get back to Croke
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 18, 2024, 10:23:38 AMQuote from: Cyril Farrell fan on July 18, 2024, 09:49:54 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on July 17, 2024, 10:09:25 PMQuote from: Cyril Farrell fan on July 17, 2024, 09:18:06 PMCork were within seconds of being out of the championship. Maybe their luck will run out in the final?
They've beaten Limerick twice, you'd need a serious amount of luck to do that twice.
That said Clare have shown that they can stick with teams and get over the line, they've also beaten Cork, but lost to Limerick twice, can be too reliant on Shane to get them going.
The first ten minutes will tell, who gets over their nerves first
Clare are delighted it's not Limerick they're facing.
They don't fear Cork the same way.
Yeah, they have as I said beaten them already this year, the problem Cork have is getting it back up to that level again, but its an All Ireland final and for Cork this last load of years they don't come about as much as they used to, and the beating they took the last day on finals day would have hurt..
Free hit for Clare and will be on a high to get back to Croke
Cork hit huge scores but also concede huge scores but fair dues they were the ones who turned on the boosters in the third quarter to win the game ultimately.
Clare aren't as rigid tactically wise as much as Limerick so Cork may have to think differently as a three man FF line might suit Cleary and Co.
Cork might try and isolate Cleary in there with huge spaces either side, but I can't see Hogan and Leen following their men out the field, one will stay behind, if not both.
The more I think about this game, the more I'm inclined to go for Cork.
Clare need big games from lads who've only played in fits and starts this year, I'm talking about key men like Conlon, Malone, Fitzgerald, Duggan, Kelly (albeit coming back from injury) Diarmuid Ryan, Rodgers etc etc.
Hard to see even 50% of those lads firing for 70 minutes and then you need the bench coming on to make huge differences like Galvin who in fairness does show up as a sub.
Clare need a lot to go right to win, but they can defensively crowd Cork out as I can't see them wanting a shoot out..
Cork hit their semi-final heights then they'll win and that's a big ask as lots went right for them on the day..
I could end up changing my mind tomorrow!
50/50 game in my opinion on Sunday. Looking forward to it.
I think puck outs will be interesting. I don't think Murphy will allow the keepers to puck them out that quickly. This will suit Clare and obviously, not Cork. Cork benefitted hugely from the puck outs, especially after the wides.
I'm edging slightly towards Clare. I think there's a bit more improvement in the Banner men.
Not sure why Murphy will 'slow' down the puck outs, players outside the 21, keeper can puck the ball out after the second whistle, I've noticed in games recently that there's two quick blasts of the whistle, one to signal wide or score another to restart.
I don't do second whistle tbf, as long as the defenders are out of 21 play on
Will you not potentially have Clare players deliberately dragging their heels getting outside the 21 ?
Quote from: Saffrongael on July 20, 2024, 11:47:17 AMWill you not potentially have Clare players deliberately dragging their heels getting outside the 21 ?
If they are on purpose they'll be warned and potentially picking up needles yellow cards. The only ones that should matter of getting out of the 21 should be the defenders
Quote from: Saffrongael on July 20, 2024, 11:47:17 AMWill you not potentially have Clare players deliberately dragging their heels getting outside the 21 ?
Think there was once in the football last week the Kerry defender had made it out but the Armagh forward was still on his way out of the D, keeper took the kickout anyway and the ref let it go on. This was after noth
Hopefully common sense the ref lets it go and we get a cracker
This is hard to call. Cork I think have slightly the better team but Clare have been closer to the top teams in recent years so they may have know how to get over the line in this one.
If Cork can play like they did against Limerick then they will win.
Clare will need to play for the full game which they haven't managed this year.
Verdict: Cork
President Michael D. Higgins should never have done a 2nd term.....
oh no Marty Morrissey
Clare's right hand side getting destroyed
They're miles off here. Cork getting so much space. Yes they are obviously pacy, powerful etc to get the space but they can make mistakes and still have the time to correct it.
Oh...
Cork could see this running away from them after being 6 or 7 up. Cork will looking for halftime!
Took Clare a long time to settle but we're in for a good second half now.
Good game so far
Half time came right for Cork. Can't see them loosing this.
Should have been a 65 there and then Clare go up and score
Some goal there, hadn't seen that in years.
Cork 4/1. Great value. Clare are gassed.
Ref went down a bit softly there now
Cork have this. Clare are gassed.
Quote from: Gael85 on July 21, 2024, 05:01:49 PMCork have this. Clare are gassed.
Keep trying to convince yourself 🤣
Some comeback from Cork. Congrats
Cork have it now
No.23 missed a easy point and has held on to a man twice, one losing a point and the other, the game leveller.
Shanaher made an absolute balls of most things there. Also went in with the knees and lucky it wasn't picked up.
Hurling is fire!
I'm fecking starving. But I can't leave this now!
You'd plenty of time to make a sandwich before extra time!
Both deserve another day out, nobody deserves to lose this, great stuff.
Clare player fell over for that last free but ref is likely knackered too in trying to keep up with the play at this stage.
Tony Kelly got some skills.
Clare have this. Cork are gassed.
Edit: Cork fighting back
What a miss to win it for Clare.
All deserve a 2nd day out but Clare Marginally the better team. The ref to me played for a draw there.
Cork robbed imo
Jesus me own heart rate was pumping there.. Great game. Well done Clare
Should have been a free in at the end
Epic game. Well done Clare. Ref did his best to make a draw but that would have been cruel on Clare.
Sean Duignan mad for a draw and another pay day as co-commentator.
Quote from: weareros on July 21, 2024, 05:55:31 PMEpic game. Well done Clare. Ref did his best to make a draw but that would have been cruel on Clare.
I thought Clare got every decision going.
Quote from: weareros on July 21, 2024, 05:55:31 PMEpic game. Well done Clare. Ref did his best to make a draw but that would have been cruel on Clare.
Referee robbed Cork of the win! He was shocking the whole game!
Referee probably should have been replaced when he got the head injury nevermind the hamstring issue. Dodgy free in to Clare and not giving the free in at the end proved crucial.
Time was up,should blew when the free wasn't going dead. Clare were the better team.
Epic game but that finish leaves a bad taste in the mouth. I know there is no room for sentiment in sport but f**k me Patrick Horgan especially has been robbed by some of the decisions. There were 2 or 3 incidents which should have been a free in to Cork but Clare went up the pitch and scored. And don't talk about that last jersey pull. Players deserve so much better.
Winning an All-Ireland been beat twice too. Why would Horgan deserve it any more than Kelly?
Jarlath Burns loves the mic
Quote from: Sheedy on July 21, 2024, 06:05:00 PMJarlath Burns loves the mic
Yeah went on way too long. Not about him.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on July 21, 2024, 06:03:18 PMEpic game but that finish leaves a bad taste in the mouth. I know there is no room for sentiment in sport but f**k me Patrick Horgan especially has been robbed by some of the decisions. There were 2 or 3 incidents which should have been a free in to Cork but Clare went up the pitch and scored. And don't talk about that last jersey pull. Players deserve so much better.
delighted to see Clare win but Cork can feel really hard done by by some of those decisions, the one at the end was a simple free to give
At least he knows sthing about the teams and players, last lad didn't know Captains names.
How long this guy going to talk ?
Good to see the Three cheers replaced by a round of applause.
Quote from: mrdeeds on July 21, 2024, 06:05:55 PMQuote from: Sheedy on July 21, 2024, 06:05:00 PMJarlath Burns loves the mic
Yeah went on way too long. Not about him.
Did Austin Gleeson not win YPOTY and POTY in he same year?
Burns said TK only the lad to do it.
Shanagher is a relieved man. He nearly blew it for Clare
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 21, 2024, 06:10:35 PMGood to see the Three cheers replaced by a round of applause.
Three Cheers is the most derogatory gesture toward a losing team.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 21, 2024, 06:03:59 PMWinning an All-Ireland been beat twice too. Why would Horgan deserve it any more than Kelly?
The same Kelly that won it in 2013?
Robbie O'Flynn going for goal instead of tapping it over was a big moment.
Shanagher is the most relieved man in Ireland tonight.
Gracious of Donal Og to say he wasn't going to moan about the free that wasn't. Didn't want to "colour" Clare's win.
Tony Kelly - legend.
Quote from: Sportacus on July 21, 2024, 06:31:34 PMGracious of Donal Og to say he wasn't going to moan about the free that wasn't. Didn't want to "colour" Clare's win.
Tony Kelly - legend.
Donal Og was suffering big time there. As any proud county man would. It was a case of lose with dignity and move on.
Lots of great feedback from British viewers today on social media. The game was shown live on BBC 2.
It was some advertisement for hurling. A week ago they were bored to death with Gareth Southgate's shiteball.
Quote from: Gallybander on July 21, 2024, 06:50:13 PMLots of great feedback from British viewers today on social media. The game was shown live on BBC 2.
It was some advertisement for hurling. A week ago they were bored to death with Gareth Southgate's shiteball.
Every reply, they are amateur.
Quote from: Gallybander on July 21, 2024, 06:50:13 PMLots of great feedback from British viewers today on social media. The game was shown live on BBC 2.
It was some advertisement for hurling. A week ago they were bored to death with Gareth Southgate's shiteball.
The Irish Public were happy with Jack Charlton's Shiteball in Italia 90. We scored 2 goals in 5 Games. Won no games and got to the Quater-finals. We had an open top bus to welcome the lads home.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 21, 2024, 07:30:25 PMQuote from: Gallybander on July 21, 2024, 06:50:13 PMLots of great feedback from British viewers today on social media. The game was shown live on BBC 2.
It was some advertisement for hurling. A week ago they were bored to death with Gareth Southgate's shiteball.
The Irish Public were happy with Jack Charlton's Shiteball in Italia 90. We scored 2 goals in 5 Games. Won no games and got to the Quater-finals. We had an open top bus to welcome the lads home.
Anyone with a brain could see that Ireland were dire to watch.
The Irish sheeple love a bandwagon.
O Flynn should have scored at the end. He was fouled alright but it was still a bad miss.
The thing about epic games like this is they are always going to come down to one or two bad decisions by the ref. Clare will just be glad they were on the right end of most of those decisions.
Clare deserved it for the magnificent play of Kelly and others like Rodgers took the breath away at times.
Reckoned at half time that Downeys goal was best in ai final history, might not even be best in the game.
Quote from: mrdeeds on July 21, 2024, 07:29:25 PMQuote from: Gallybander on July 21, 2024, 06:50:13 PMLots of great feedback from British viewers today on social media. The game was shown live on BBC 2.
It was some advertisement for hurling. A week ago they were bored to death with Gareth Southgate's shiteball.
Every reply, they are amateur.
And they're all into work in the morning 😆 I doubt it
As obvious a free as you will see at the end, great game
Kelly's Goal was special.
Quote from: Itchy on July 21, 2024, 08:06:56 PMQuote from: mrdeeds on July 21, 2024, 07:29:25 PMQuote from: Gallybander on July 21, 2024, 06:50:13 PMLots of great feedback from British viewers today on social media. The game was shown live on BBC 2.
It was some advertisement for hurling. A week ago they were bored to death with Gareth Southgate's shiteball.
Every reply, they are amateur.
And they're all into work in the morning 😆 I doubt it
I flicked it on too BBC and heard t nibs say the block was beyond belief so straight back to rte I went.
Quote from: statto on July 21, 2024, 08:19:35 PMQuote from: Itchy on July 21, 2024, 08:06:56 PMQuote from: mrdeeds on July 21, 2024, 07:29:25 PMQuote from: Gallybander on July 21, 2024, 06:50:13 PMLots of great feedback from British viewers today on social media. The game was shown live on BBC 2.
It was some advertisement for hurling. A week ago they were bored to death with Gareth Southgate's shiteball.
Every reply, they are amateur.
And they're all into work in the morning 😆 I doubt it
I flicked it on too BBC and heard t nibs say the block was beyond belief so straight back to rte I went.
Niblock tries too hard. Constantly looking for legendary Michéal O'M type lines
Quote from: AustinPowers on July 21, 2024, 08:24:20 PMQuote from: statto on July 21, 2024, 08:19:35 PMQuote from: Itchy on July 21, 2024, 08:06:56 PMQuote from: mrdeeds on July 21, 2024, 07:29:25 PMQuote from: Gallybander on July 21, 2024, 06:50:13 PMLots of great feedback from British viewers today on social media. The game was shown live on BBC 2.
It was some advertisement for hurling. A week ago they were bored to death with Gareth Southgate's shiteball.
Every reply, they are amateur.
And they're all into work in the morning 😆 I doubt it
I flicked it on too BBC and heard t nibs say the block was beyond belief so straight back to rte I went.
Niblock tries too hard. Constantly looking for legendary Michéal O'M type lines
💯 looking for the clips to go viral on Twitter during the week
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on July 21, 2024, 07:50:50 PMReckoned at half time that Downeys goal was best in ai final history, might not even be best in the game.
Kelly's is as good a goal as I've seen in an AI final. A few of his points were out of the top drawer as well. Him and McCarthy stood up in the 2nd half of ET when Clare needed them.
What a game.
The goals were awesome.
A few marginal calls cost cork I think.
A draw would have been a fair result.
Calls happen in games and then they can be clawed back from. The pull at the end is a bad call though and you'd be very sore were you on the receiving end of it. I think if duggan still on instead of Shanaher Clare see that out in normal time. Shanaher had a bit of a nightmare.
Tony Kelly is a genius. Watching this again here. The goal chance even in extra time - he was that quick at the flick to Fitzgerald Fitzgerald had no idea it happened. That goal and point on the spin - just as good as you would see by anyone.
If niblock didn't use phenomenal at least 6 times today then I dunno
(I watched rte)
Jaysus , but Tony Kelly's scores were outrageous
The goal was unbelievable, but his point near end of ET was just as good
Quote from: AustinPowers on July 21, 2024, 08:24:20 PMQuote from: statto on July 21, 2024, 08:19:35 PMQuote from: Itchy on July 21, 2024, 08:06:56 PMQuote from: mrdeeds on July 21, 2024, 07:29:25 PMQuote from: Gallybander on July 21, 2024, 06:50:13 PMLots of great feedback from British viewers today on social media. The game was shown live on BBC 2.
It was some advertisement for hurling. A week ago they were bored to death with Gareth Southgate's shiteball.
Every reply, they are amateur.
And they're all into work in the morning 😆 I doubt it
I flicked it on too BBC and heard t nibs say the block was beyond belief so straight back to rte I went.
Niblock tries too hard. Constantly looking for legendary Michéal O'M type lines
At what point does he run out of new superlatives to use when describing the action. I'd rather he just commented honestly and then at least if something is actually 'phenomenal' or 'terrific' it will actually mean something when he says it. I think a large part of the lack of any critical analysis is to ensure access to players.
Otherwise he's a decent commentator.
Quote from: statto on July 21, 2024, 08:19:35 PMI flicked it on too BBC and heard t nibs say the block was beyond belief so straight back to rte I went.
Niblock was absolutely brutal. Minimum of 20 distinct "what the f**k are you talking about?" moments. For the double block he screamed "goal for Clare! Goal for Cork!"
Towards the start he was talking about Aidan McCarthy hitting a 65. "He didn't miss a free in the semi final win against
Limerick". Approximately 15 seconds later he was on the ball again. "It's Aidan McCarthy again, he came under scrutiny in the semi final for his free taking performance against
Limerick". He hasn't a clue.
The extra time, nailbiting finish and fact it's not Limerick will mean it'll live long in the memory but I thought there were long stretches of very sloppy play throughout. Terrible decision making, awful execution at times. Two Clare goals should have been frees out. Ref rode Cork a good bit.
Didn't the BBC use Oisin Langan, used to be on OTB, a few years ago for commentary ?
At least he knows the players (and the game).
Doubt Niblocks ego would allow for that now
Quote from: Sheedy on July 21, 2024, 06:05:00 PMJarlath Burns loves the mic
I am so proud of him to be the President and this is coming from a Mayo man.
He speaks from the heart, and even in his early days always seems to do his home work to connect various individuals form specific counties.
I was sitting next to two average Gaa supporters/ watchers, they were both so impressed with his speech.
Good for him.
Tony Kelly is something special. Not sure who said it but he reckons boys like Kelly are the worst to watch for young lads learning the game- he simply does things no one else is capable of. Magic. Congrats to the Banner and commiserations to Cork. Your fella Shanager just had one of those days- bit like Aidan Nugent for us the last day, it happens, but they'll both be grateful the team got the result in the end.
Tony Kelly. That goal. Great game.
Quote from: gallsman on July 21, 2024, 11:18:15 PMQuote from: statto on July 21, 2024, 08:19:35 PMI flicked it on too BBC and heard t nibs say the block was beyond belief so straight back to rte I went.
Niblock was absolutely brutal. Minimum of 20 distinct "what the f**k are you talking about?" moments. For the double block he screamed "goal for Clare! Goal for Cork!"
Towards the start he was talking about Aidan McCarthy hitting a 65. "He didn't miss a free in the semi final win against Limerick". Approximately 15 seconds later he was on the ball again. "It's Aidan McCarthy again, he came under scrutiny in the semi final for his free taking performance against Limerick". He hasn't a clue.
The extra time, nailbiting finish and fact it's not Limerick will mean it'll live long in the memory but I thought there were long stretches of very sloppy play throughout. Terrible decision making, awful execution at times. Two Clare goals should have been frees out. Ref rode Cork a good bit.
why should they have been frees out? I will be honest, when I watch hurling I realise how little knowledge of teh rules I have
Yeah I don't know why they should have been frees out either?
Three decisions... 65 not given, pull down not leading to card or penalty and the jersey pull at the end were the three things I think.
Must watch the Sunday game back for motm etc.
Both Kelly and O'Donnell took about 10 steps FFS.
Quote from: gallsman on July 22, 2024, 08:20:50 AMBoth Kelly and O'Donnell took about 10 steps FFS.
Do you mean for Kelly's goal? He took 2-3 steps with ball in hand before he put it on his hurl.
Quote from: gallsman on July 22, 2024, 08:20:50 AMBoth Kelly and O'Donnell took about 10 steps FFS.
I've just gone and watched Kelly's goal back. I've no idea what steps you are seeing.
Yeah I'd agree. If it was that bad all the commentators / pundits would be commenting on it too.
Watched a bit of the sunday game back. Cork losing 12 of 14 of their own puckouts first half and conceding 4 points from their own puckout wasn't good. Also I think the ref was right to not do penalty / black card although McInerney on yellow so you could argue on that. I think he tried to pull him down by shorts but failed and accidentally tangled legs.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on July 21, 2024, 09:49:10 PMIf niblock didn't use phenomenal at least 6 times today then I dunno
(I watched rte)
There was also a "point from the gods".
In work, feeling very depressed after sitting in Croker watching that yesterday.. What a spectacle it was nearly a score a minute 30 points each at normal time, no hanging about and both teams had plenty opportunities to win and lose the game.
I had the reason given to me about the black card penalty call that wasn't given and it made sense at the time, but the Guinness take has stopped me from remembering it.
The miss at the end of normal time, he was fouled no doubt leading up to it and an easy shirt tog would have been a easy one to give, but the player should have taken an extra step or two to steady up and pop that over as the ref at that stage would not have blown for over carrying.
Disappointed for Cork as they had done all the hard work in beating Limerick and making the championship exciting this year, from being a puck of the ball out of the Munster championship to being favourites for the title..
The football will certainly be a tense affair but would have to reach some heights to get anywhere near as the quality that went on yesterday in HQ
Tried to watch the highlights last night when I got back, but couldn't keep the eyes open
My brief summary of yesterday's epic.
I thought that Clare just edged it although I wouldn't have complained if it went to replay. Clare missed a few 'handy' scores in the last 10 mins tokeel them ahead. In saying that,Cork never gave in and battled to the end.
An heroic effort by both teams.
Cork started very fast and blew Clare out ofit. Up by 7pts and cruising. As someone said, it's all about getting as much feom your purple patch as you can. Clare got it with their goal and steadied the ship. Darragh Fitz's only real contribution was the equalising score right on half time.
Downey's goal was excellent but nobody met him - Hogan waited and waited and never committed. I'd say Lohan wouldn't have liked that but he had no time to dwell on it. If that solo run happened at U12, the manager wouldn't be to happy. Take nothing away from RobDowney, he stayed going and banged it off the hurl. A great goal.
Clare's goal come from the industry of O'Donnell. He's so hard to tackle - all arms and legs and never stops. It came at a great time for Clare and started their purple patch. Diarmaid Ryan hit two fantastic long range efforts inside a few minutes. I was shouting don't be shooting but what do I know. He nailed them and gave clare's half-back a great footing in the game, when it looked as if they were being over-run in that early period.
The first half flew by. It was excellent. It just settled down to be a shoot out - like and U14 game. Let's just play hurling and see who can score the most. I think everybody sensed a classic brewing but we couldn't have imagined it to see what was coming down the tracks. Whether that was because it wasn't Limerick and Kilkenny or what, who knows but there was definately a sense of anticipation that it wasn't going to let us down.
The second half was quality - quality of effort, honesty and scores. Score for score but TK's goal was just fantastic. It was like he was in his back garden. The class and ability to do that on the biggest stage of all, at that time was just...Tony Kelly. A huge performance by him, in a trying year for him. Delighted for him to get MOTM last night. Very much well deserved. Too many people are too quick to write players off or give out about these lads like TK, Canning, TJ and Horgan are just superstars of the game. I just love them! Some of Kelly's points were just magical - the one on the turn and especially the rob, flick up twice and over on his left side. Just magical skill.
So many big moments in the game, nearly too many to mention. Was it O'Flynn who went for goal? (in hindsight, carry it another 10-12 yards before shoting and put it low) Or just put it over the bar and keep the scoreboard ticking over.
The 'penalty/back card' incident. I think the ref got it right. The Cork player took the gamble and went beyond the bunch of players and the ball went over the top and he was ready to run onto it before the 'tangle'. I think the Cork lad was looking for it - there was a little tug, very little but the Cork lad fell forward. My take on that that if you'r being tugged back, naturally you don't fall forward. Spot on by the referee, who I'll come to later on. Hoggie tapped it over to put two points in it. The last wide was definately a free - a clear pull, but as Donal Óg said, heshould have scored it regardless. I missed the tug in real time. It would have suited everyone to have the draw and I think no one would have complained in fairness.
Murphy was very good as referee. Let it flow ans blew when he needed to. Even got a faceguard frontal smash for his troubles - to add to the drama. For me, he got the big call right. I thought he was tight on two handy enough frees for Cork with the pulling inside - I'm sure the Cork lads were at it at the other end also but they didn't get one, never mind two. A minor quibble. He was cramping up in extra-time but soldiered on.
Re: Puck outs. As I said last week, he'd slow the puck outs down a bit, especially after a score and this hindered Cork more than Clare. He pulled the quick puck out back three orfour times. Cork rely, as per their Limerick game, on fast puck out ball to get their running game going. Collins couldn't get the quick puck out going to Darragh Fitz or, to a lesser extent, Dalton.
Cork played their hearts out but I knew they couldn't or wouldn't get to the pitch of their Limerick performance again,especilly inside two weeks. Just impossible to do. That's why I picked Clare last week. To be fair to Cork, to beat Limerick twice in a few weeks and in an AI semi-final and not win the All-Ireland will be sickening. There were seconds away from being out of Munster and yesterday were a split second decision away from getting a replay. No consolotion to them this morning but the Rebels are back boy! The Downey brothers can not push on at No. 3 and No. 6 and Ryan can build a team around them.
Will Pat Horgan stay? - a question for another day. Again, a superstar of hurling. Disappointed for him but that's sport. I was thinking about the free right at the end of extra-time the Collins hit - I know it was a long way out but was it within Horgan's range. It was on an angle and a long way out. I'd need to watch it again but I felt at the time that Collins didn't catch it fully but it still landed around the 'D'. Again asmall quibble.
It was a game for me where everyone was at least a 5/6+ out of 10 - on both teams. Both teams needed the 20 players. Everybody gave their all.
Leen was brillant also. Shanagher will be a happy man today. Things just didn't right for him when introduced but he has his AI medal. I thought Cleary and Hogan were superb, especially after their early yellow cards. They seemed to just throw the shackles off and went for it. Man to man, bring it on. The pair of them were unreal in the heat of battle. Never gave and inch.
The Euros may have come and gone, The Olympics are almost with us but Thank God for the hurling - The Sport of Kings.
POTY - Shane O'Donnell.
YPOTY - Adam Hogan.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 22, 2024, 09:07:01 AMIn work, feeling very depressed after sitting in Croker watching that yesterday.. What a spectacle it was nearly a score a minute 30 points each at normal time, no hanging about and both teams had plenty opportunities to win and lose the game.
I had the reason given to me about the black card penalty call that wasn't given and it made sense at the time, but the Guinness take has stopped me from remembering it.
The miss at the end of normal time, he was fouled no doubt leading up to it and an easy shirt tog would have been a easy one to give, but the player should have taken an extra step or two to steady up and pop that over as the ref at that stage would not have blown for over carrying.
Disappointed for Cork as they had done all the hard work in beating Limerick and making the championship exciting this year, from being a puck of the ball out of the Munster championship to being favourites for the title..
The football will certainly be a tense affair but would have to reach some heights to get anywhere near as the quality that went on yesterday in HQ
Tried to watch the highlights last night when I got back, but couldn't keep the eyes open
I'm not disappointed for Cork or Horgan at all. They're a county with huge resources, probably 3 or 4 times more senior hurlers to pick from than Clare, already have 30+ AI's in the bag, so glad that Clare won considering that at the start of Lohan's managerial reign he was paying for stuff for the team out of his own pocket until some business's got together to get Clare on the right track.
G'wan Lohan, ye boy ye!!
As for the game itself the Clare defence in particular their half backs won some amount of clean catches to stifle the Cork attack looking for the breaks from those puckouts. Conlon is a bear of a man, anything in his area he either won it, spoiled it for the Cork man and just being a downright nuisance. Davy Mac continued with his semi-final form and Diarmuid Ryan also winning his own ball and driving forward with it, heck even big Clear won a lot of high ball when needed.
In Leen and Hogan you've the two stereotypical corner backs all teams need, quick, clever hurlers with a bit of needle in them, both have kept some high profile forwards very quiet, Cunningham was called ashore yesterday and if Horgan wasn't on the frees he'd have been removed as well such was his ineffectiveness in open play barring the odd cameo.
It wasn't all plain sailing and Cork bring so much to hurling in general and can consider themselves very unlucky, but refereeing decisions aside there were the two really poor wides in extra time that will be their undoing.
They left other scores behind them on the day as well, their accuracy in the first 15 minutes was extraordinary, 1-8 from the 9 shots they got off is unreal.
Clare looked to be shell shocked only for SOD to get onto two balls and 1-1 came off him. He seemed to have hurt the shoulder in the second half and I'm say the Cork defence felt nothing but relief seeing him trudge off.
Corks shooting and decision making went a bit wayward from then on. Maybe even after such a purple batch it can be so disillusioning to see Clare still in the hunt and even looked like going in at half time a point up, but still drawing.
Big Fitzgerald for Clare also hit some really bad wides and also some poor decisions on the ball cost goals, so both teams had left plenty of scores behind them.
Tony Kelly, what more can I say? What that lad can do with a hurl and sliotar in the tightest of confines beggars belief. Enough said.
All in all, hurling was the winner yesterday, and yes maybe a replay after ordinary time is the right thing, but what a period of extra time we got all in all.
So Clare beat Cork twice
Limerick beat Clare Twice
and Cork beat Limerick Twice
Mad Ted!
Would that Clare performance have stopped Limericks drive for 5. I think so but well never know now. Im sure Clare would have loved that.
It's hard to believe that Cork will be trying to bridge a 20 year between All Irelands next year.
Donal Óg and the SIPTU branch have a lot to answer for.
Quote from: didlyi on July 22, 2024, 10:24:54 AMSo Clare beat Cork twice
Limerick beat Clare Twice
and Cork beat Limerick Twice
Mad Ted!
Would that Clare performance have stopped Limericks drive for 5. I think so but well never know now. Im sure Clare would have loved that.
Limerick wouldn't have rained down ball on top of the Clare halfback line like Cork did. They'd have been able to run it out the field and pick out the spaces for Guillane to murder Cleary. Cork didn't expose Cleary enough and that was down to the Clare half backs and midfield denying them the opportunity.
Those stats are quite startling tbh if the sunday game ones were corrected. Cork won 2 from 14 of their own puckouts in the first half and Clare scored 4 points of their puckout. Your man Kinurk(spelling) would have been all over that for Limerick.
For all the 50/50 decisions against Cork, did Clare get a free in the 2nd half?
Ya have to foul someone before giving them a free ;)
But in all seriousness the half back from both teams won most balls in the first half, not sure why this was a tactic used as there was little reward for it (even though they scored 30 points lol)
There was a few times were lads didn't react quick enough when balls either broke or played out to space.
In the end Clare shaded it, but only just, If Cork played Clare next week I'd expect a different approach from them tactic wise, for me that's what let Cork down
What does hurling resources have to do with sympathy towards Patrick Horgan? Gutted for him and Harnedy, I'm sure the 30+ all irelands when Cork were a dominant force means nothing to them boys today
Quote from: ClubScene13 on July 22, 2024, 03:06:29 PMWhat does hurling resources have to do with sympathy towards Patrick Horgan? Gutted for him and Harnedy, I'm sure the 30+ all irelands when Cork were a dominant force means nothing to them boys today
He could possibly join a long list of very good hurlers who may never win an AI medal.
He won't be the last either.
I'd imagine it's not the quest for that elusive medal that keeps him going; I think he hurls for the sheer love of it. He was better yesterday than in the semi-final, but did miss one free he'd normally get. Still, 10/12 is not bad. Thought he was mad floating his last one over, but he was right - there was time for another attack.
Quote from: burdizzo on July 22, 2024, 05:02:53 PMI'd imagine it's not the quest for that elusive medal that keeps him going; I think he hurls for the sheer love of it. He was better yesterday than in the semi-final, but did miss one free he'd normally get. Still, 10/12 is not bad. Thought he was mad floating his last one over, but he was right - there was time for another attack.
He was indeed right even through the protestations of Duignan who seemed to have expected an extra minute rather than the actual two.
The question now for Pat Ryan is whether he thinks Horgan's presence is going to be detrimental to the team in 2025 if he's unhappy at being a squad player rather than a sure starter. The same may be the case for Lehane and Harnedy.
Quote from: johnnycool on July 22, 2024, 05:10:57 PMQuote from: burdizzo on July 22, 2024, 05:02:53 PMI'd imagine it's not the quest for that elusive medal that keeps him going; I think he hurls for the sheer love of it. He was better yesterday than in the semi-final, but did miss one free he'd normally get. Still, 10/12 is not bad. Thought he was mad floating his last one over, but he was right - there was time for another attack.
He was indeed right even through the protestations of Duignan who seemed to have expected an extra minute rather than the actual two.
The question now for Pat Ryan is whether he thinks Horgan's presence is going to be detrimental to the team in 2025 if he's unhappy at being a squad player rather than a sure starter. The same may be the case for Lehane and Harnedy.
Can't remember the exact words, but after the match Pat Ryan said something like "Horgan will be there and ready to go next year".
Horgan was poor in open play - Leen done somej ob on him. He was good on the frees but nothing stuck in open play.
I thing Duigan re-corrected himself on the tv. He got the time wrong I think.
I hate tv people, straight after a final, asking will X or Y be back next year. Cantwell was doing it at the hotel last night.
Just let the lads and their families etc. enjoy the occasion.
Quote from: marty34 on July 22, 2024, 05:37:29 PMHorgan was poor in open play - Leen done somej ob on him. He was good on the frees but nothing stuck in open play.
I thing Duigan re-corrected himself on the tv. He got the time wrong I think.
I hate tv people, straight after a final, asking will X or Y be back next year. Cantwell was doing it at the hotel last night.
Just let the lads and their families etc. enjoy the occasion.
yeah that annoyed me about cantwell too just let the lads enjoy it it's not a decision to make a couple hours after winning an all Ireland.
She's not great tbh - very forced and it feels like she is looking for a headline all the time. She asked Tony Kelly a question and he had no idea what she was talking about. You compare her with mulkerrins who is totally at ease with herself and it's night and day. I suspect cantwell would be very good at certain roles but I don't think it's the one she's in.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 22, 2024, 02:30:11 PMThose stats are quite startling tbh if the sunday game ones were corrected. Cork won 2 from 14 of their own puckouts in the first half and Clare scored 4 points of their puckout. Your man Kinurk(spelling) would have been all over that for Limerick.
Cork lost 10 in a row of their own puckouts when going long in the first half.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 22, 2024, 09:52:57 PMShe's not great tbh - very forced and it feels like she is looking for a headline all the time. She asked Tony Kelly a question and he had no idea what she was talking about. You compare her with mulkerrins who is totally at ease with herself and it's night and day. I suspect cantwell would be very good at certain roles but I don't think it's the one she's in.
True. Mulkerrins is very good on BBC.
I really like Jacqui Hurley also. Great on the radio and very natural on tv. A great personality.
Not sure how Cantwell gets the main gig.
Yeah Hurley is decent too.
You look at those cork puckout stats and they really should have changed things...
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 23, 2024, 07:35:31 AMYeah Hurley is decent too.
You look at those cork puckout stats and they really should have changed things...
Probably slightly nervous about going short as when they did against Clare in the round robin they got turned over for a goal. But they could have varied it more than down the middle most of the time.
Quote from: Saffrongael on July 23, 2024, 09:25:03 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on July 23, 2024, 07:35:31 AMYeah Hurley is decent too.
You look at those cork puckout stats and they really should have changed things...
Probably slightly nervous about going short as when they did against Clare in the round robin they got turned over for a goal. But they could have varied it more than down the middle most of the time.
Think they got lulled in by the success they had with this one tactic against Limerick twice.
Hard to be critical but I don't think Clare would have persisted with a tactic that was going so wrong, I think the real edge of being battle hardened over a few seasons stood to Clare.
It turns out that Horgan had a hamstring injury throughout the game but played on. He had to be kept on the field for the frees, but it would have cost Cork in other ways.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on July 23, 2024, 04:55:26 PMIt turns out that Horgan had a hamstring injury throughout the game but played on. He had to be kept on the field for the frees, but it would have cost Cork in other ways.
Same as Shane O'Donnell - also had a hamstring going into the game.
In fairness, when they took Horgan off near the end in the semi., next thing they got a free, and whoever took it, fluffed it. At the time they could have done with the extra point, and all.
I don't get that.
How could he have a hamstring injury and start, never mind stay on for that amount of time?
It mustn't have been too bad.
Quote from: marty34 on July 23, 2024, 11:13:22 PMI don't get that.
How could he have a hamstring injury and start, never mind stay on for that amount of time?
It mustn't have been too bad.
Wasn't even strapped. But he said he knew after five minutes he wouldn't be able to sprint.
Quote from: burdizzo on July 24, 2024, 08:00:00 AMQuote from: marty34 on July 23, 2024, 11:13:22 PMI don't get that.
How could he have a hamstring injury and start, never mind stay on for that amount of time?
It mustn't have been too bad.
Wasn't even strapped. But he said he knew after five minutes he wouldn't be able to sprint.
I thought he felt something go in the first few minutes...
Did he have the issue going into the game?
Dalton is a more than capable free taker
Quote from: johnnycool on July 24, 2024, 09:56:28 AMI thought he felt something go in the first few minutes...
Did he have the issue going into the game?
Dalton is a more than capable free taker
Maybe you're right, but I was under the impression he had an issue since the Tuesday. Maybe it was after he slipped, the time he laid it off to Harnedy for the point, that it aggravated it. Anyway, it did occur to me that he wasn't exactly booting it after that.
Dalton was whipped off quite early?
Strange one. Anyone with a hamstring twinge doesn't start, never mind last a game like that. I find that odd. I thought his movement was good but Leen was really aggressive on him, especially in the second half. Leen did not let Horgan get on clean ball - he spoilt every ball and was quicker to the breakdown.
The thing I found strange was after Shanagher gave away a free (another one :( ) at the death, that Collins took it, rather than Hoggie. I thought at the time that Horgan might have had the distance. It was far out but I was surprised Horgan didn't have a go at it. Now Collins dropped it around the D. Not sure if the ploy for Cork was to break it/catch it and be close to goal to get a shot off.
Just wasn't Dalton'sday, especially from open play. The slower puck outs didn't help him and Cork either. That tactic, V Limerick, worked well but Murphy didn't allow i on Sunday. He was very frustrated when he came off.
Quote from: marty34 on July 24, 2024, 10:24:36 AMStrange one. Anyone with a hamstring twinge doesn't start, never mind last a game like that. I find that odd. I thought his movement was good but Leen was really aggressive on him, especially in the second half. Leen did not let Horgan get on clean ball - he spoilt every ball and was quicker to the breakdown.
The thing I found strange was after Shanagher gave away a free (another one :( ) at the death, that Collins took it, rather than Hoggie. I thought at the time that Horgan might have had the distance. It was far out but I was surprised Horgan didn't have a go at it. Now Collins dropped it around the D. Not sure if the ploy for Cork was to break it/catch it and be close to goal to get a shot off.
Just wasn't Dalton'sday, especially from open play. The slower puck outs didn't help him and Cork either. That tactic, V Limerick, worked well but Murphy didn't allow i on Sunday. He was very frustrated when he came off.
what you're saying is that Murphy applied the rules as they stand.
You can't take a puck out unless the referee blows the whistle AND everyone is outside the 20 metre line.
Quote from: johnnycool on July 24, 2024, 12:35:36 PMQuote from: marty34 on July 24, 2024, 10:24:36 AMStrange one. Anyone with a hamstring twinge doesn't start, never mind last a game like that. I find that odd. I thought his movement was good but Leen was really aggressive on him, especially in the second half. Leen did not let Horgan get on clean ball - he spoilt every ball and was quicker to the breakdown.
The thing I found strange was after Shanagher gave away a free (another one :( ) at the death, that Collins took it, rather than Hoggie. I thought at the time that Horgan might have had the distance. It was far out but I was surprised Horgan didn't have a go at it. Now Collins dropped it around the D. Not sure if the ploy for Cork was to break it/catch it and be close to goal to get a shot off.
Just wasn't Dalton'sday, especially from open play. The slower puck outs didn't help him and Cork either. That tactic, V Limerick, worked well but Murphy didn't allow i on Sunday. He was very frustrated when he came off.
what you're saying is that Murphy applied the rules as they stand.
You can't take a puck out unless the referee blows the whistle AND everyone is outside the 20 metre line.
Refs whistle and defenders outside 21?
We get ourselves into this debate every year, soon as it comes to the big games the rules go out the window. Was there a hand pass blown for a throw in the whole game? (from my memory there wasn't - maybe the first game of the year)
John Conlon nearly taking the head of a lad and not a word.
A one handed wild pull from one of the throw ins and not a peep.
The list goes on and on of things that would get pulled in every league or early championship game but weren't in this game.
While as hurling people this is what we all want to see an epic like the final it becomes increasingly difficult to defend the double standard of rule application within the game.
Cork in good shape going forward just a shame Limerick are gonna be back with a vengeance the next few years. That Kilkenny team got another 4 after they're 5-in-a-row was stopped.
Whole Cork starting team in their 20's except for Harnedy and Horgan.
Was Ben Cunningham injured this year? From the hurling I've seen him play he is a more than capable replacement for this iteration of Patrick Horgan, he is dead eye on the frees for St Finbarr's and a big lump of a lad.
The young lad William Buckley on this year's U20s another good one who could be molded in to take over from Harnedy, probably still a bit on the small side now though.
Pat Ryan already has a rapport with most of the young talent in Cork.
Worrying for Tipp and Waterford - though it never seems to be easy predicted any year down there
Horgan to be back next year so Cork will be chomping at thd bit again.
Surprised that Conor Lehane never got any game time on Sunday. I thought he'd be an ideal man to spring from the bench with 20mins to go.
Key thing that managers could do is give key older players a break during the NHL. Let them off over the spring and get them right for championship.
Shane O'Donnell a prime example.
Plus it gives managers achance to use and strengthen the panel.
Quote from: ClubScene13 on July 24, 2024, 04:40:33 PMCork in good shape going forward just a shame Limerick are gonna be back with a vengeance the next few years. That Kilkenny team got another 4 after they're 5-in-a-row was stopped.
Whole Cork starting team in their 20's except for Harnedy and Horgan.
Was Ben Cunningham injured this year? From the hurling I've seen him play he is a more than capable replacement for this iteration of Patrick Horgan, he is dead eye on the frees for St Finbarr's and a big lump of a lad.
The young lad William Buckley on this year's U20s another good one who could be molded in to take over from Harnedy, probably still a bit on the small side now though.
Pat Ryan already has a rapport with most of the young talent in Cork.
Worrying for Tipp and Waterford - though it never seems to be easy predicted any year down there
They were two different Kilkenny teams in fairness, pretty much.
The first 4 in a row team only had TJ, Richie Hogan & Micheál Fennelly for example as bit part players, there might be others. This Limerick iteration(to borrow a Seafoid phrase) has a few years in it yet you would think.
Cunningham injured most of the year, he was named in the extended panel (not the 26) for Sundays game, not sure about the semi.
Does anyone know how many wides both teams had in the final? I can't find it on the internet.
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 25, 2024, 08:03:03 PMDoes anyone know how many wides both teams had in the final? I can't find it on the internet.
I'm sure I saw 15 each somewhere
https://x.com/gaelicstatsman/status/1815089536042725795?s=46&t=p6a2iuyvhhHTNPUOLtbXgA
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Shane O'Donnell Hurler of the year and young player award went to Adam Hogan.
Ah I'm sorry no Conor Leen? Who gave one of the finest performances I have seen in an All Ireland final ! Catch a grip ffs
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Shane O'Donnell footballer of the year and young player award went to Adam Hogan.
Harsh on Paul Conroy that ;)
Well done to the lads, some year for hurling
Quote from: Saffrongael on November 01, 2024, 09:30:23 PMAh I'm sorry no Conor Leen? Who gave one of the finest performances I have seen in an All Ireland final ! Catch a grip ffs
Mad no Conor Leen of Clare and John Donnelky of Kilkenny.
Bias towards Munster.
Is that a first all one province All Star team?
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 01, 2024, 09:39:29 PMHarsh on Paul Conroy that ;)
Time for me to hit the hay early tonight.
Journalists love Cork evidently and for a team that were lucky to stay in the championship and have only two victories of note the whole year have quite a contingent...
Yes, it was Limerick both times, but the first didn't matter to Limerick in the grand scheme of things.
I'd give one to Fitzgibbon for sure and maybe Rob Downey but there's a lack of consistency in the others throughout the championship.
John Donnelly for sure deserved one and TBH Guillane can consider himself unlucky as he was lethal throughout the whole championship.