Power Rankings as of league end.
1. Dublin
2. Derry
3. Kerry
4. Mayo
5. Galway
6. Tyrone
7. Donegal
8. Armagh
9. Monaghan
10. Roscommon
11. Cork
12. Down
13. Meath
14. Cavan
15. Louth
16. Westmeath
17. Fermanagh
18. Kildare
19. Clare
20. Sligo
21. Laois
22. Antrim
23. Wexford
24. Leitrim
25. Offaly
26. Longford
27. Wicklow
28. Limerick
29. Carlow
30. Tipperary
31. London
32. Waterford
33. New York
Any disagreements let me know?
I would have Armagh Tyrone and Donegal all ahead of Galway
Galway beat Tyrone though.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 25, 2024, 03:20:33 PMGalway beat Tyrone though.
Tyrone also beat Mayo, who are ahead of them
Granted, Tyrone are a funny team , but in terms of who are more likely to win the AI , Galway or Tyrone, i'd Say Tyrone. Tyrone are more likely to win the AI than Mayo too.
Quote from: AustinPowers on March 25, 2024, 03:24:49 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on March 25, 2024, 03:20:33 PMGalway beat Tyrone though.
Tyrone also beat Mayo, who are ahead of them
Granted, Tyrone are a funny team , but in terms of who are more likely to win the AI , Galway or Tyrone, i'd Say Tyrone. Tyrone are more likely to win the AI than Mayo too.
Wicklow are more likely than Mayo lol.
I think Galway with a full deck are very close to Kerry/Dublin, but as things stand they're probably below us and Donegal. Hard to know with Tyrone, they've got some class forwards. Think anyone from 2nd to 10th could beat each other and not a whole pile in it. Derry second based on the league but still think Kerry will be ahead of them come summer time.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 25, 2024, 03:55:16 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on March 25, 2024, 03:24:49 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on March 25, 2024, 03:20:33 PMGalway beat Tyrone though.
Tyrone also beat Mayo, who are ahead of them
Granted, Tyrone are a funny team , but in terms of who are more likely to win the AI , Galway or Tyrone, i'd Say Tyrone. Tyrone are more likely to win the AI than Mayo too.
Wicklow are more likely than Mayo lol.
I think Galway with a full deck are very close to Kerry/Dublin, but as things stand they're probably below us and Donegal. Hard to know with Tyrone, they've got some class forwards. Think anyone from 2nd to 10th could beat each other and not a whole pile in it. Derry second based on the league but still think Kerry will be ahead of them come summer time.
Galway's stars of 2022 are on the decline due to age or injuries. 2022 was their peak imo but only time will tell. You are asking a lot for them to get people match fit, patterns of play establish etc having not played all year. 2 to 8 could beat eachother, not sure about including 9 and 10 in that, there is a definite drop off after 8 for me.
I don't think Kerry are ahead of Derry either now or in the summer and I thought the same last year too - we should have won that AI semi. Granted i'm biased.
1. Dublin
2. Derry
3. Kerry
4. Armagh
5. Donegal
6. Mayo
7. Tyrone
8. Galway
9. Roscommon
10. Monaghan
11. Cork
12. Down
13. Cavan
14. Meath
15. Louth
16. Westmeath
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 25, 2024, 02:55:09 PMPower Rankings as of league end.
1. Dublin
2. Derry
3. Kerry
4. Mayo
5. Galway
6. Tyrone
7. Donegal
8. Armagh
9. Monaghan
10. Roscommon
11. Cork
12. Down
13. Meath
14. Cavan
15. Louth
16. Westmeath
17. Fermanagh
18. Kildare
19. Clare
20. Sligo
21. Laois
22. Antrim
23. Wexford
24. Leitrim
25. Offaly
26. Longford
27. Wicklow
28. Limerick
29. Carlow
30. Tipperary
31. London
32. Waterford
33. New York
Any disagreements let me know?
Ros finished ahead of Monaghan.
Quote from: Rossfan on March 25, 2024, 04:12:17 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 25, 2024, 02:55:09 PMPower Rankings as of league end.
1. Dublin
2. Derry
3. Kerry
4. Mayo
5. Galway
6. Tyrone
7. Donegal
8. Armagh
9. Monaghan
10. Roscommon
11. Cork
12. Down
13. Meath
14. Cavan
15. Louth
16. Westmeath
17. Fermanagh
18. Kildare
19. Clare
20. Sligo
21. Laois
22. Antrim
23. Wexford
24. Leitrim
25. Offaly
26. Longford
27. Wicklow
28. Limerick
29. Carlow
30. Tipperary
31. London
32. Waterford
33. New York
Any disagreements let me know?
Ros finished ahead of Monaghan.
Monaghan showed more promise in their remaining two games to edge them above the Rossies.
Before that Roscommon were a good bit ahead.
Roscommons bad trimming yesterday didnt help.
Quote from: Mario on March 25, 2024, 04:03:51 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 25, 2024, 03:55:16 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on March 25, 2024, 03:24:49 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on March 25, 2024, 03:20:33 PMGalway beat Tyrone though.
Tyrone also beat Mayo, who are ahead of them
Granted, Tyrone are a funny team , but in terms of who are more likely to win the AI , Galway or Tyrone, i'd Say Tyrone. Tyrone are more likely to win the AI than Mayo too.
Wicklow are more likely than Mayo lol.
I think Galway with a full deck are very close to Kerry/Dublin, but as things stand they're probably below us and Donegal. Hard to know with Tyrone, they've got some class forwards. Think anyone from 2nd to 10th could beat each other and not a whole pile in it. Derry second based on the league but still think Kerry will be ahead of them come summer time.
Galway's stars of 2022 are on the decline due to age or injuries. 2022 was their peak imo but only time will tell. You are asking a lot for them to get people match fit, patterns of play establish etc having not played all year. 2 to 8 could beat eachother, not sure about including 9 and 10 in that, there is a definite drop off after 8 for me.
I don't think Kerry are ahead of Derry either now or in the summer and I thought the same last year too - we should have won that AI semi. Granted i'm biased.
1. Dublin
2. Derry
3. Kerry
4. Armagh
5. Donegal
6. Mayo
7. Tyrone
8. Galway
9. Roscommon
10. Monaghan
11. Cork
12. Down
13. Cavan
14. Meath
15. Louth
16. Westmeath
hard to rank Monaghan so far below us when we obviously lost on penalties to them last year, I know Beggan is a huge loss and they'd a tough league but they won't be far away from anyone on a big day come championship time. Don't think we've done enough to be ranked ahead of Mayo either but like I say most of the top teams arent far off each other and will probably come down to injuries and what goes right on the day.
Derry haven't won an all Ireland semifinal since 1993 afaik. The last 4 times Derry won the League they didn't win Sam.
Quote from: seafoid on March 25, 2024, 06:28:51 PMDerry haven't won an all Ireland semifinal since 1993 afaik. The last 4 times Derry won the League they didn't win Sam.
You appear to be absolutely fixated with Derry. Why is that?
The Paddy Power Ranking
Dublin 13/8
Kerry 5/2
Derry 11/2
Galway 9/1
Mayo 10/1
Armagh 20/1
Donegal 22/1
Tyrone 25/1
Roscommon 80/1
Cork 100/1
Monaghan 100/1
I'm not sure that Galway/Mayo are hugely better than Armagh/Donegal/Tyrone but one of them will be Connacht champions and that has seeding advantages.
Quote from: seafoid on March 25, 2024, 06:28:51 PMDerry haven't won an all Ireland semifinal since 1993 afaik. The last 4 times Derry won the League they didn't win Sam.
We usually get beat by Galway in the semis but I can't see that being a problem this year.
Galway full out would take Derry. Not sure they will be this year tho
Quote from: NotedObserver on March 25, 2024, 08:22:39 PMGalway full out would take Derry. Not sure they will be this year tho
Would be some shoot out that's for sure. Wouldn't be a kick of a ball in it I don't think
Last time Galway were on top form was probably 2022 and they tanked Derry. No chance that would happen now but would be some game alright. Doubtful if Galway will hit that form again anytime soon given the injuries to key men.
Galway full out not going to happen though. They're miles away at the minute.
Quote from: Derryman forever on March 25, 2024, 07:19:10 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 25, 2024, 06:28:51 PMDerry haven't won an all Ireland semifinal since 1993 afaik. The last 4 times Derry won the League they didn't win Sam.
You appear to be absolutely fixated with Derry. Why is that?
In the old days if a team did the iterations they would often win Sam. Derry are doing the iterations. But Dublin don't care about stuff like that. There is a glass ceiling. Ranking Derry second ignores the big picture. It was always hard to win the all Ireland but it is even harder now.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 25, 2024, 09:15:29 PMLast time Galway were on top form was probably 2022 and they tanked Derry. No chance that would happen now but would be some game alright. Doubtful if Galway will hit that form again anytime soon given the injuries to key men.
21 points is a tanking as seen at the weekend, 5 certainly is not
Quote from: JoG2 on March 25, 2024, 10:26:49 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 25, 2024, 09:15:29 PMLast time Galway were on top form was probably 2022 and they tanked Derry. No chance that would happen now but would be some game alright. Doubtful if Galway will hit that form again anytime soon given the injuries to key men.
21 points is a tanking as seen at the weekend, 5 certainly is not
Apologies, don't know why but I had in my head Derry were beat by far more that day.
I think a full strength Galway versus Derry would be worth watching
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 25, 2024, 10:34:17 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 25, 2024, 10:26:49 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 25, 2024, 09:15:29 PMLast time Galway were on top form was probably 2022 and they tanked Derry. No chance that would happen now but would be some game alright. Doubtful if Galway will hit that form again anytime soon given the injuries to key men.
21 points is a tanking as seen at the weekend, 5 certainly is not
Apologies, don't know why but I had in my head Derry were beat by far more that day.
We didn't have the greatest 2nd half to be fair
Quote from: armaghniac on March 25, 2024, 07:51:07 PMThe Paddy Power Ranking
Dublin 13/8
Kerry 5/2
Derry 11/2
Galway 9/1
Mayo 10/1
Armagh 20/1
Donegal 22/1
Tyrone 25/1
Roscommon 80/1
Cork 100/1
Monaghan 100/1
I'm not sure that Galway/Mayo are hugely better than Armagh/Donegal/Tyrone but one of them will be Connacht champions and that has seeding advantages.
Wouldn't totally rule out Roscommon out. Won Connacht in 2017 and 2019 off the back of Division one relegation.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on March 25, 2024, 10:49:51 PMQuote from: armaghniac on March 25, 2024, 07:51:07 PMThe Paddy Power Ranking
Dublin 13/8
Kerry 5/2
Derry 11/2
Galway 9/1
Mayo 10/1
Armagh 20/1
Donegal 22/1
Tyrone 25/1
Roscommon 80/1
Cork 100/1
Monaghan 100/1
I'm not sure that Galway/Mayo are hugely better than Armagh/Donegal/Tyrone but one of them will be Connacht champions and that has seeding advantages.
Wouldn't totally rule out Roscommon out. Won Connacht in 2017 and 2019 off the back of Division one relegation.
Mayo would be my bet, but the Rossies have forwards to trouble anyone.
Quote from: seafoid on March 25, 2024, 06:28:51 PMDerry haven't won an all Ireland semifinal since 1993 afaik. The last 4 times Derry won the League they didn't win Sam.
they wont win it this year either but I do think the league final will also be the AI final
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 26, 2024, 07:15:26 AMQuote from: seafoid on March 25, 2024, 06:28:51 PMDerry haven't won an all Ireland semifinal since 1993 afaik. The last 4 times Derry won the League they didn't win Sam.
they wont win it this year either but I do think the league final will also be the AI final
You've the 2 form teams in the country playing on Sunday, and could very well (taking nothing for granted of course) meet again in an AI final. You'd have very short odds on Dublin doing the double, seriously long odds on Derry doing the double. That's the position Derry is in
Quote from: JoG2 on March 26, 2024, 08:41:32 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on March 26, 2024, 07:15:26 AMQuote from: seafoid on March 25, 2024, 06:28:51 PMDerry haven't won an all Ireland semifinal since 1993 afaik. The last 4 times Derry won the League they didn't win Sam.
they wont win it this year either but I do think the league final will also be the AI final
You've the 2 form teams in the country playing on Sunday, and could very well (taking nothing for granted of course) meet again in an AI final. You'd have very short odds on Dublin doing the double, seriously long odds on Derry doing the double. That's the position Derry is in
A Very envious position for 31 other teams.
So I am not complaining.
Quote from: Derryman forever on March 26, 2024, 08:45:55 AMQuote from: JoG2 on March 26, 2024, 08:41:32 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on March 26, 2024, 07:15:26 AMQuote from: seafoid on March 25, 2024, 06:28:51 PMDerry haven't won an all Ireland semifinal since 1993 afaik. The last 4 times Derry won the League they didn't win Sam.
they wont win it this year either but I do think the league final will also be the AI final
You've the 2 form teams in the country playing on Sunday, and could very well (taking nothing for granted of course) meet again in an AI final. You'd have very short odds on Dublin doing the double, seriously long odds on Derry doing the double. That's the position Derry is in
A Very envious position for 31 other teams.
So I am not complaining.
It's the stuff of dreams
Quote from: armaghniac on March 25, 2024, 07:51:07 PMThe Paddy Power Ranking
Dublin 13/8
Kerry 5/2
Derry 11/2
Galway 9/1
Mayo 10/1
Armagh 20/1
Donegal 22/1
Tyrone 25/1
Roscommon 80/1
Cork 100/1
Monaghan 100/1
I'm not sure that Galway/Mayo are hugely better than Armagh/Donegal/Tyrone but one of them will be Connacht champions and that has seeding advantages.
I'm surprised to see Armagh above Donegal and Tyrone. I suspect that is reflected in the handier run to the Ulster Final. I'd say all 3 would fancy themselves v Galway and Mayo despite the gap int he betting.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 25, 2024, 10:52:39 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on March 25, 2024, 10:49:51 PMQuote from: armaghniac on March 25, 2024, 07:51:07 PMThe Paddy Power Ranking
Dublin 13/8
Kerry 5/2
Derry 11/2
Galway 9/1
Mayo 10/1
Armagh 20/1
Donegal 22/1
Tyrone 25/1
Roscommon 80/1
Cork 100/1
Monaghan 100/1
I'm not sure that Galway/Mayo are hugely better than Armagh/Donegal/Tyrone but one of them will be Connacht champions and that has seeding advantages.
Wouldn't totally rule out Roscommon out. Won Connacht in 2017 and 2019 off the back of Division one relegation.
Mayo would be my bet, but the Rossies have forwards to trouble anyone.
The Rossies will have a big Connacht Championship as per usual.
Then disappear once the big boy stuff starts come All Ireland stage.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 26, 2024, 10:18:48 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 25, 2024, 10:52:39 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on March 25, 2024, 10:49:51 PMQuote from: armaghniac on March 25, 2024, 07:51:07 PMThe Paddy Power Ranking
Dublin 13/8
Kerry 5/2
Derry 11/2
Galway 9/1
Mayo 10/1
Armagh 20/1
Donegal 22/1
Tyrone 25/1
Roscommon 80/1
Cork 100/1
Monaghan 100/1
I'm not sure that Galway/Mayo are hugely better than Armagh/Donegal/Tyrone but one of them will be Connacht champions and that has seeding advantages.
Wouldn't totally rule out Roscommon out. Won Connacht in 2017 and 2019 off the back of Division one relegation.
Mayo would be my bet, but the Rossies have forwards to trouble anyone.
The Rossies will have a big Connacht Championship as per usual.
Then disappear once the big boy stuff starts come All Ireland stage.
"Watch out
They'll tear your insides out"
Davy Burke has been planning for the last 9 months.
He is a really good coach. He practices scenarios over and over.
The odds reflect information that the power ranking does not.
Quote from: seafoid on March 26, 2024, 10:50:45 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 26, 2024, 10:18:48 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 25, 2024, 10:52:39 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on March 25, 2024, 10:49:51 PMQuote from: armaghniac on March 25, 2024, 07:51:07 PMThe Paddy Power Ranking
Dublin 13/8
Kerry 5/2
Derry 11/2
Galway 9/1
Mayo 10/1
Armagh 20/1
Donegal 22/1
Tyrone 25/1
Roscommon 80/1
Cork 100/1
Monaghan 100/1
I'm not sure that Galway/Mayo are hugely better than Armagh/Donegal/Tyrone but one of them will be Connacht champions and that has seeding advantages.
Wouldn't totally rule out Roscommon out. Won Connacht in 2017 and 2019 off the back of Division one relegation.
Mayo would be my bet, but the Rossies have forwards to trouble anyone.
The Rossies will have a big Connacht Championship as per usual.
Then disappear once the big boy stuff starts come All Ireland stage.
"Watch out
They'll tear your insides out"
Davy Burke has been planning for the last 9 months.
He is a really good coach. He practices scenarios over and over.
The odds reflect information that the power ranking does not.
If they get to a semi final I will eat my words.
Whats stopping them from making the next step; they certainly have the forwards to do so.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 26, 2024, 11:01:28 AMQuote from: seafoid on March 26, 2024, 10:50:45 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 26, 2024, 10:18:48 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 25, 2024, 10:52:39 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on March 25, 2024, 10:49:51 PMQuote from: armaghniac on March 25, 2024, 07:51:07 PMThe Paddy Power Ranking
Dublin 13/8
Kerry 5/2
Derry 11/2
Galway 9/1
Mayo 10/1
Armagh 20/1
Donegal 22/1
Tyrone 25/1
Roscommon 80/1
Cork 100/1
Monaghan 100/1
I'm not sure that Galway/Mayo are hugely better than Armagh/Donegal/Tyrone but one of them will be Connacht champions and that has seeding advantages.
Wouldn't totally rule out Roscommon out. Won Connacht in 2017 and 2019 off the back of Division one relegation.
Mayo would be my bet, but the Rossies have forwards to trouble anyone.
The Rossies will have a big Connacht Championship as per usual.
Then disappear once the big boy stuff starts come All Ireland stage.
"Watch out
They'll tear your insides out"
Davy Burke has been planning for the last 9 months.
He is a really good coach. He practices scenarios over and over.
The odds reflect information that the power ranking does not.
If they get to a semi final I will eat my words.
Whats stopping them from making the next step; they certainly have the forwards to do so.
Small margins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUXCHlZ8ZPc
Quote from: seafoid on March 26, 2024, 11:37:26 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 26, 2024, 11:01:28 AMQuote from: seafoid on March 26, 2024, 10:50:45 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 26, 2024, 10:18:48 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 25, 2024, 10:52:39 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on March 25, 2024, 10:49:51 PMQuote from: armaghniac on March 25, 2024, 07:51:07 PMThe Paddy Power Ranking
Dublin 13/8
Kerry 5/2
Derry 11/2
Galway 9/1
Mayo 10/1
Armagh 20/1
Donegal 22/1
Tyrone 25/1
Roscommon 80/1
Cork 100/1
Monaghan 100/1
I'm not sure that Galway/Mayo are hugely better than Armagh/Donegal/Tyrone but one of them will be Connacht champions and that has seeding advantages.
Wouldn't totally rule out Roscommon out. Won Connacht in 2017 and 2019 off the back of Division one relegation.
Mayo would be my bet, but the Rossies have forwards to trouble anyone.
The Rossies will have a big Connacht Championship as per usual.
Then disappear once the big boy stuff starts come All Ireland stage.
"Watch out
They'll tear your insides out"
Davy Burke has been planning for the last 9 months.
He is a really good coach. He practices scenarios over and over.
The odds reflect information that the power ranking does not.
If they get to a semi final I will eat my words.
Whats stopping them from making the next step; they certainly have the forwards to do so.
Small margins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUXCHlZ8ZPc
Only an excuse.
What about the Cork game?
or Clare in 2022
They're not a top four team is what's stopping them getting to a semi final. They are a decent side tbf to them but just not quite that level. It's not a failure.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 26, 2024, 11:45:29 AMThey're not a top four team is what's stopping them getting to a semi final. They are a decent side tbf to them but just not quite that level. It's not a failure.
Would you say Monaghan are a top 4 team though? or even Tipperary.
Both have made 2 semis finals in recent years albeit one of Tipps had an astrix.
Monaghan aren't quite top four but they'd Beggan and McManus there and with McManus especially they always had a chance. They were (not are mind you) closer to top four than Roscommon ever were tbh.
It also depends on your draw but it isn't a failure for Roscommon to not get to a semi final. They're top 8ish. It would take quite a run of luck to get there. It just reads that they're a failure when I don't think they are at all.
I can't recall exactly who Tipp beat to get there for them to merit an asterix...
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 26, 2024, 11:40:25 AMQuote from: seafoid on March 26, 2024, 11:37:26 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 26, 2024, 11:01:28 AMQuote from: seafoid on March 26, 2024, 10:50:45 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 26, 2024, 10:18:48 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 25, 2024, 10:52:39 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on March 25, 2024, 10:49:51 PMQuote from: armaghniac on March 25, 2024, 07:51:07 PMThe Paddy Power Ranking
Dublin 13/8
Kerry 5/2
Derry 11/2
Galway 9/1
Mayo 10/1
Armagh 20/1
Donegal 22/1
Tyrone 25/1
Roscommon 80/1
Cork 100/1
Monaghan 100/1
I'm not sure that Galway/Mayo are hugely better than Armagh/Donegal/Tyrone but one of them will be Connacht champions and that has seeding advantages.
Wouldn't totally rule out Roscommon out. Won Connacht in 2017 and 2019 off the back of Division one relegation.
Mayo would be my bet, but the Rossies have forwards to trouble anyone.
The Rossies will have a big Connacht Championship as per usual.
Then disappear once the big boy stuff starts come All Ireland stage.
"Watch out
They'll tear your insides out"
Davy Burke has been planning for the last 9 months.
He is a really good coach. He practices scenarios over and over.
The odds reflect information that the power ranking does not.
If they get to a semi final I will eat my words.
Whats stopping them from making the next step; they certainly have the forwards to do so.
Small margins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUXCHlZ8ZPc
Only an excuse.
What about the Cork game?
or Clare in 2022
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 26, 2024, 12:00:30 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on March 26, 2024, 11:45:29 AMThey're not a top four team is what's stopping them getting to a semi final. They are a decent side tbf to them but just not quite that level. It's not a failure.
Would you say Monaghan are a top 4 team though? or even Tipperary.
Both have made 2 semis finals in recent years albeit one of Tipps had an astrix.
Roscommon should reach out to Cavan for a few pointers
Quote from: JoG2 on March 26, 2024, 12:06:28 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 26, 2024, 11:40:25 AMQuote from: seafoid on March 26, 2024, 11:37:26 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 26, 2024, 11:01:28 AMQuote from: seafoid on March 26, 2024, 10:50:45 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 26, 2024, 10:18:48 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 25, 2024, 10:52:39 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on March 25, 2024, 10:49:51 PMQuote from: armaghniac on March 25, 2024, 07:51:07 PMThe Paddy Power Ranking
Dublin 13/8
Kerry 5/2
Derry 11/2
Galway 9/1
Mayo 10/1
Armagh 20/1
Donegal 22/1
Tyrone 25/1
Roscommon 80/1
Cork 100/1
Monaghan 100/1
I'm not sure that Galway/Mayo are hugely better than Armagh/Donegal/Tyrone but one of them will be Connacht champions and that has seeding advantages.
Wouldn't totally rule out Roscommon out. Won Connacht in 2017 and 2019 off the back of Division one relegation.
Mayo would be my bet, but the Rossies have forwards to trouble anyone.
The Rossies will have a big Connacht Championship as per usual.
Then disappear once the big boy stuff starts come All Ireland stage.
"Watch out
They'll tear your insides out"
Davy Burke has been planning for the last 9 months.
He is a really good coach. He practices scenarios over and over.
The odds reflect information that the power ranking does not.
If they get to a semi final I will eat my words.
Whats stopping them from making the next step; they certainly have the forwards to do so.
Small margins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUXCHlZ8ZPc
Only an excuse.
What about the Cork game?
or Clare in 2022
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 26, 2024, 12:00:30 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on March 26, 2024, 11:45:29 AMThey're not a top four team is what's stopping them getting to a semi final. They are a decent side tbf to them but just not quite that level. It's not a failure.
Would you say Monaghan are a top 4 team though? or even Tipperary.
Both have made 2 semis finals in recent years albeit one of Tipps had an astrix.
Roscommon should reach out to Cavan for a few pointers
Trust me I know we are a lot worse than the Rossies; but theres no hype about us.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 26, 2024, 12:04:52 PMMonaghan aren't quite top four but they'd Beggan and McManus there and with McManus especially they always had a chance. They were (not are mind you) closer to top four than Roscommon ever were tbh.
It also depends on your draw but it isn't a failure for Roscommon to not get to a semi final. They're top 8ish. It would take quite a run of luck to get there. It just reads that they're a failure when I don't think they are at all.
I can't recall exactly who Tipp beat to get there for them to merit an asterix...
Covid year meant it was easier to get there.
They beat Galway in the quarter finals in 2016 which was a very impressive result and in the manner they did it too.
Ah yes covid year.
Basically for roscommon, and anyone else, to get to the semi final they need to avoid derry, dublin and kerry in any knock out match. They then probably need to meet someone of comparable level in the knockout to get through. Tyrone, Mayo, Galway, possibly Donegal and Armagh would likely be too much.
Have we begun the slide as our early to mid 2011 to 16 Minor/u21 silver generation reach retirement age?
That group won Connachts at the 3 Grades but never quite cut it at AI level.
Next year could see us without a Smith, Daly or Murtagh so it could be back down among the small Counties with populations of under 100k or the hurley Counties.
But let's have one last cut at it Davy....
Quote from: Rossfan on March 26, 2024, 12:37:44 PMHave we begun the slide as our early to mid 2011 to 16 Minor/u21 silver generation reach retirement age?
That group won Connachts at the 3 Grades but never quite cut it at AI level.
Next year could see us without a Smith, Daly or Murtagh so it could be back down among the small Counties with populations of under 100k or the hurley Counties.
But let's have one last cut at it Davy....
Has Mark Mchugh been much of a loss?; Was he bringing much to the setup?
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 26, 2024, 12:15:18 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 26, 2024, 12:06:28 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 26, 2024, 11:40:25 AMQuote from: seafoid on March 26, 2024, 11:37:26 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 26, 2024, 11:01:28 AMQuote from: seafoid on March 26, 2024, 10:50:45 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 26, 2024, 10:18:48 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 25, 2024, 10:52:39 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on March 25, 2024, 10:49:51 PMQuote from: armaghniac on March 25, 2024, 07:51:07 PMThe Paddy Power Ranking
Dublin 13/8
Kerry 5/2
Derry 11/2
Galway 9/1
Mayo 10/1
Armagh 20/1
Donegal 22/1
Tyrone 25/1
Roscommon 80/1
Cork 100/1
Monaghan 100/1
I'm not sure that Galway/Mayo are hugely better than Armagh/Donegal/Tyrone but one of them will be Connacht champions and that has seeding advantages.
Wouldn't totally rule out Roscommon out. Won Connacht in 2017 and 2019 off the back of Division one relegation.
Mayo would be my bet, but the Rossies have forwards to trouble anyone.
The Rossies will have a big Connacht Championship as per usual.
Then disappear once the big boy stuff starts come All Ireland stage.
"Watch out
They'll tear your insides out"
Davy Burke has been planning for the last 9 months.
He is a really good coach. He practices scenarios over and over.
The odds reflect information that the power ranking does not.
If they get to a semi final I will eat my words.
Whats stopping them from making the next step; they certainly have the forwards to do so.
Small margins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUXCHlZ8ZPc
Only an excuse.
What about the Cork game?
or Clare in 2022
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 26, 2024, 12:00:30 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on March 26, 2024, 11:45:29 AMThey're not a top four team is what's stopping them getting to a semi final. They are a decent side tbf to them but just not quite that level. It's not a failure.
Would you say Monaghan are a top 4 team though? or even Tipperary.
Both have made 2 semis finals in recent years albeit one of Tipps had an astrix.
Roscommon should reach out to Cavan for a few pointers
Trust me I know we are a lot worse than the Rossies; but theres no hype about us.
Who's hyping Roscommon?
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 26, 2024, 12:24:56 PMAh yes covid year.
Basically for roscommon, and anyone else, to get to the semi final they need to avoid derry, dublin and kerry in any knock out match. They then probably need to meet someone of comparable level in the knockout to get through. Tyrone, Mayo, Galway, possibly Donegal and Armagh would likely be too much.
Exactly. There are 11 teams who can expect to make the top 12 resulting from the group stages, this year's Div 1 + Armagh, Donegal and perhaps Cork. Last year Sligo, Clare , Westmeath and Louth did not make it to the final 12 and something the same will happen this year. Three of the preliminary QFs last year had one point margins, pne nad pass or ball dropped and the result might have been different.
The Sam series is actually quite competitive other than Dublin are going to win it.
Quote from: Rossfan on March 26, 2024, 12:37:44 PMHave we begun the slide as our early to mid 2011 to 16 Minor/u21 silver generation reach retirement age?
That group won Connachts at the 3 Grades but never quite cut it at AI level.
Next year could see us without a Smith, Daly or Murtagh so it could be back down among the small Counties with populations of under 100k or the hurley Counties.
But let's have one last cut at it Davy....
#plámás
https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1769413387094458851
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 26, 2024, 12:40:25 PMQuote from: Rossfan on March 26, 2024, 12:37:44 PMHave we begun the slide as our early to mid 2011 to 16 Minor/u21 silver generation reach retirement age?
That group won Connachts at the 3 Grades but never quite cut it at AI level.
Next year could see us without a Smith, Daly or Murtagh so it could be back down among the small Counties with populations of under 100k or the hurley Counties.
But let's have one last cut at it Davy....
Has Mark Mchugh been much of a loss?; Was he bringing much to the setup?
They say he's a massive loss.
But even if he is can't we repeat his formula from last year?
I think Roscommon got a few very good forwards, but their system of play to counter attack is way too slow, and if the other team is already set up, they rely heavily on Enda Smith to break the lines to work a score against a defensive minded team.
Roscommon last year played a controlled possession based game making them competitive against all Div 1 teams in league and championship. Since the Dublin draw in May and the daft media talk that followed it they have gone away from that. Burke has come out since to say that way of playing wasn't his style which suggests it was the style of one if not two of the coaches that left.
This year are a disjointed and unorganized team. They are currently a team that don't make themselves hard to score against and a forward line that struggling without Ben O'Carroll,Ciaran Murtagh and Cian McKeon. Lack of midfield also with Eddie Nolan opting out and Keith Doyle injured. No surprise with all of that Roscommon were relegated and it will be a struggle for Davy Burke to turn things around and to get much of impact out of his team the upcoming championship.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on March 26, 2024, 09:02:22 PMRoscommon last year played a controlled possession based game making them competitive against all Div 1 teams in league and championship. Since the Dublin draw in May and the daft media talk that followed it they have gone away from that. Burke has come out since to say that way of playing wasn't his style which suggests it was the style of one if not two of the coaches that left.
This year are a disjointed and unorganized team. They are currently a team that don't make themselves hard to score against and a forward line that struggling without Ben O'Carroll,Ciaran Murtagh and Cian McKeon. Lack of midfield also with Eddie Nolan opting out and Keith Doyle injured. No surprise with all of that Roscommon were relegated and it will be a struggle for Davy Burke to turn things around and to get much of impact out of his team the upcoming championship.
Last year Roscommon did a lot of pre season training and hit the ground running in the league, winning 3 on the trot. They ran out of gas over 8 days in June, losing 2 matches by a point.
This year Brigids got to the all Ireland final and Roscommon didn't care about the league ....
Quote from: seafoid on March 26, 2024, 09:22:38 PMLast year Roscommon did a lot of pre season training and hit the ground running in the league, winning 3 on the trot. They ran out of gas over 8 days in June, losing 2 matches by a point.
This year Brigids got to the all Ireland final and Roscommon didn't care about the league ....
Don't think it was possible to do a alot of training last year before the league when the appointment was made so late and wasn't Burke still involded with Maynooth college?
Would have cared about that league and it simply became uphill challenge to avoid relegation once they lost to Tyrone in round 1 and only drew with Galway at home in round 2.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on March 26, 2024, 09:42:03 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 26, 2024, 09:22:38 PMLast year Roscommon did a lot of pre season training and hit the ground running in the league, winning 3 on the trot. They ran out of gas over 8 days in June, losing 2 matches by a point.
This year Brigids got to the all Ireland final and Roscommon didn't care about the league ....
Don't think it was possible to do a alot of training last year before the league when the appointment was made so late and wasn't Burke still involded with Maynooth college?
Would have cared about that league and it simply became uphill challenge to avoid relegation once they lost to Tyrone in round 1 and only drew with Galway at home in round 2.
Nobody knew what was in store this time last year. Monaghan got to the semi final last year and were relegated recently. Did their form fall off a cliff or did they do things differently this year so far?
Quote from: seafoid on March 26, 2024, 09:59:17 PMNobody knew what was in store this time last year. Monaghan got to the semi final last year and were relegated recently. Did their form fall off a cliff or did they do things differently this year so far?
Monaghan were missing too many of last year All-Ireland semi final team and no surprise they got relegated. Get the majority of those players back and they should at least reach the last 8 this summer.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on March 26, 2024, 10:07:54 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 26, 2024, 09:59:17 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on March 26, 2024, 09:42:03 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 26, 2024, 09:22:38 PMNobody knew what was in store this time last year. Monaghan got to the semi final last year and were relegated recently. Did their form fall off a cliff or did they do things differently this year so far?
Monaghan were missing too many of last year All-Ireland semi final team and no surprise they got relegated. Get the majority of those players back and they should at least reach the last 8 this summer.
So far how do you think Roscommon will go ?
Roscommon you'd imagine will be in the last 12. After that depends who they draw.
Monaghan are missing beggan, Kieran hughes is retired, McManus is being used sparingly due to hip issues and a fella is away to Aussie rules I think.
We've seen every team play championship football so I thought I'd update the rankings.
1. Dublin - No Change
2. Kerry - Up 1 Place
3. Derry - Down 1 Place
4. Donegal - Up 3 Places
5. Mayo - Down 1 Place
6. Armagh - Up 2 Places
7. Tyrone - Down 1 Place
8. Galway - Down 3 Places
9. Cavan - Up 5 Places
10. Monaghan - Down 1 Place
11. Cork - No Change
12. Roscommon - Down 2 Places
13. Down - Down 1 Place
14. Louth - Up 1 Place
15. Meath - Down 2 Places
16. Sligo - Up 4 Places
17. Westmeath - Down 1 Place
18. Kildare - No Change
19. Clare - No Change
20. Fermanagh - Down 3 Places
21. Offaly - Up 4 Places
22. Wexford - Up 1 Place
23. Laois - Down 2 places
24. Wicklow - Up 3 Places
25. Antrim - Down 3 Places
26. Leitrim - Down 2 Places
27. Longford - Down 1
28. Limerick - No Chnage
29. Carlow - No Change
30. Waterford - Up 2 Places
31. Tipp - Down 1 Place
32. London - Down 1 Place
33. New York - No Change
Thoughts?
Arguably, Cork came closer to Kerry than Monaghan did to Cavan, so they should swap places in the ranking.
Down are bit high I'd say somewhere between 20 and 15.
Updated Power Rankings - Have seen every team play in the All Ireland Series at this stage now.
1. Dublin - No change
2. Kerry - No change
3. Galway - Up 5 places
4. Donegal - No change
5. Derry - Down 2 places
6. Mayo - Down one place
7. Armagh - Down one place
8. Tyrone - Down one place
9. Cork- Up 2 places
10. Roscommon - Up 2 places
11. Monaghan - Down one place
12. Louth - Up 2 places
13. Down - No change
14. Cavan - Down 5 places
15. Sligo - Up one place
16. Westmeath - Up one place
17. Meath - Down 2 places
18. Kildare - No change
19. Clare - No change
20. Fermanagh - No change
21. Antrim - Up 4 places
22. Wexford - No change
23. Laois - Up 1 place
24. Leitrim - Up 2 places
25. Wicklow - Down one place
26. Limerick - Up 2 places
27. Offaly - Down 6 places
28. Carlow - Up 1 places
29. Longford - Down 2 places
30. Tipp - Up one place
31. Waterford - Down
32. London - No change
33. New York - No change
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 26, 2024, 04:59:20 PMUpdated Power Rankings - Have seen every team play in the All Ireland Series at this stage now.
1. Dublin - No change
2. Kerry - No change
3. Galway - Up 5 places
4. Donegal - No change
5. Derry - Down one place
6. Mayo - Down one place
7. Armagh - Down one place
8. Tyrone - Down one place
9. Cork- Up 2 places
10. Roscommon - Up 2 places
11. Monaghan - Down one place
12. Louth - Up 2 places
13. Down - No change
14. Cavan - Down 2 places
15. Sligo - Up one place
16. Westmeath - Up one place
17. Meath - Down 2 places
18. Kildare - No change
19. Clare - No change
20. Fermanagh - No change
21. Antrim - Up 4 places
22. Wexford - No change
23. Laois - Up 1 place
24. Leitrim - Up 2 places
25. Wicklow - Down one place
26. Limerick - Up 2 places
27. Offaly - Down 6 places
28. Carlow - Up 1 places
29. Longford - Down 2 places
30. Tipp - Up one place
31. Waterford - Down
32. London - No change
33. New York - No change
Galway ahead of Donegal?
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on May 31, 2024, 11:47:42 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 26, 2024, 04:59:20 PMUpdated Power Rankings - Have seen every team play in the All Ireland Series at this stage now.
1. Dublin - No change
2. Kerry - No change
3. Galway - Up 5 places
4. Donegal - No change
5. Derry - Down one place
6. Mayo - Down one place
7. Armagh - Down one place
8. Tyrone - Down one place
9. Cork- Up 2 places
10. Roscommon - Up 2 places
11. Monaghan - Down one place
12. Louth - Up 2 places
13. Down - No change
14. Cavan - Down 2 places
15. Sligo - Up one place
16. Westmeath - Up one place
17. Meath - Down 2 places
18. Kildare - No change
19. Clare - No change
20. Fermanagh - No change
21. Antrim - Up 4 places
22. Wexford - No change
23. Laois - Up 1 place
24. Leitrim - Up 2 places
25. Wicklow - Down one place
26. Limerick - Up 2 places
27. Offaly - Down 6 places
28. Carlow - Up 1 places
29. Longford - Down 2 places
30. Tipp - Up one place
31. Waterford - Down
32. London - No change
33. New York - No change
Galway ahead of Donegal?
Only because they were division 1.
Wouldn't be much in it.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 31, 2024, 11:56:44 AMQuote from: Goals_Will_Come on May 31, 2024, 11:47:42 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 26, 2024, 04:59:20 PMUpdated Power Rankings - Have seen every team play in the All Ireland Series at this stage now.
1. Dublin - No change
2. Kerry - No change
3. Galway - Up 5 places
4. Donegal - No change
5. Derry - Down one place
6. Mayo - Down one place
7. Armagh - Down one place
8. Tyrone - Down one place
9. Cork- Up 2 places
10. Roscommon - Up 2 places
11. Monaghan - Down one place
12. Louth - Up 2 places
13. Down - No change
14. Cavan - Down 2 places
15. Sligo - Up one place
16. Westmeath - Up one place
17. Meath - Down 2 places
18. Kildare - No change
19. Clare - No change
20. Fermanagh - No change
21. Antrim - Up 4 places
22. Wexford - No change
23. Laois - Up 1 place
24. Leitrim - Up 2 places
25. Wicklow - Down one place
26. Limerick - Up 2 places
27. Offaly - Down 6 places
28. Carlow - Up 1 places
29. Longford - Down 2 places
30. Tipp - Up one place
31. Waterford - Down
32. London - No change
33. New York - No change
Galway ahead of Donegal?
Only because they were division 1.
Wouldn't be much in it.
think 2 to 8 could all beat each other.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 31, 2024, 12:02:16 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 31, 2024, 11:56:44 AMQuote from: Goals_Will_Come on May 31, 2024, 11:47:42 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 26, 2024, 04:59:20 PMUpdated Power Rankings - Have seen every team play in the All Ireland Series at this stage now.
1. Dublin - No change
2. Kerry - No change
3. Galway - Up 5 places
4. Donegal - No change
5. Derry - Down one place
6. Mayo - Down one place
7. Armagh - Down one place
8. Tyrone - Down one place
9. Cork- Up 2 places
10. Roscommon - Up 2 places
11. Monaghan - Down one place
12. Louth - Up 2 places
13. Down - No change
14. Cavan - Down 2 places
15. Sligo - Up one place
16. Westmeath - Up one place
17. Meath - Down 2 places
18. Kildare - No change
19. Clare - No change
20. Fermanagh - No change
21. Antrim - Up 4 places
22. Wexford - No change
23. Laois - Up 1 place
24. Leitrim - Up 2 places
25. Wicklow - Down one place
26. Limerick - Up 2 places
27. Offaly - Down 6 places
28. Carlow - Up 1 places
29. Longford - Down 2 places
30. Tipp - Up one place
31. Waterford - Down
32. London - No change
33. New York - No change
Galway ahead of Donegal?
Only because they were division 1.
Wouldn't be much in it.
think 2 to 8 could all beat each other.
8th are Tyrone, unlikely on this years form.
Also, are Down better than Westmeath?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 31, 2024, 01:38:47 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 31, 2024, 12:02:16 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 31, 2024, 11:56:44 AMQuote from: Goals_Will_Come on May 31, 2024, 11:47:42 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 26, 2024, 04:59:20 PMUpdated Power Rankings - Have seen every team play in the All Ireland Series at this stage now.
1. Dublin - No change
2. Kerry - No change
3. Galway - Up 5 places
4. Donegal - No change
5. Derry - Down one place
6. Mayo - Down one place
7. Armagh - Down one place
8. Tyrone - Down one place
9. Cork- Up 2 places
10. Roscommon - Up 2 places
11. Monaghan - Down one place
12. Louth - Up 2 places
13. Down - No change
14. Cavan - Down 2 places
15. Sligo - Up one place
16. Westmeath - Up one place
17. Meath - Down 2 places
18. Kildare - No change
19. Clare - No change
20. Fermanagh - No change
21. Antrim - Up 4 places
22. Wexford - No change
23. Laois - Up 1 place
24. Leitrim - Up 2 places
25. Wicklow - Down one place
26. Limerick - Up 2 places
27. Offaly - Down 6 places
28. Carlow - Up 1 places
29. Longford - Down 2 places
30. Tipp - Up one place
31. Waterford - Down
32. London - No change
33. New York - No change
Galway ahead of Donegal?
Only because they were division 1.
Wouldn't be much in it.
think 2 to 8 could all beat each other.
8th are Tyrone, unlikely on this years form.
They could and probably should have beaten Donegal the first day though
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 31, 2024, 03:16:08 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on May 31, 2024, 01:38:47 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 31, 2024, 12:02:16 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 31, 2024, 11:56:44 AMQuote from: Goals_Will_Come on May 31, 2024, 11:47:42 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 26, 2024, 04:59:20 PMUpdated Power Rankings - Have seen every team play in the All Ireland Series at this stage now.
1. Dublin - No change
2. Kerry - No change
3. Galway - Up 5 places
4. Donegal - No change
5. Derry - Down one place
6. Mayo - Down one place
7. Armagh - Down one place
8. Tyrone - Down one place
9. Cork- Up 2 places
10. Roscommon - Up 2 places
11. Monaghan - Down one place
12. Louth - Up 2 places
13. Down - No change
14. Cavan - Down 2 places
15. Sligo - Up one place
16. Westmeath - Up one place
17. Meath - Down 2 places
18. Kildare - No change
19. Clare - No change
20. Fermanagh - No change
21. Antrim - Up 4 places
22. Wexford - No change
23. Laois - Up 1 place
24. Leitrim - Up 2 places
25. Wicklow - Down one place
26. Limerick - Up 2 places
27. Offaly - Down 6 places
28. Carlow - Up 1 places
29. Longford - Down 2 places
30. Tipp - Up one place
31. Waterford - Down
32. London - No change
33. New York - No change
Galway ahead of Donegal?
Only because they were division 1.
Wouldn't be much in it.
think 2 to 8 could all beat each other.
8th are Tyrone, unlikely on this years form.
They could and probably should have beaten Donegal the first day though
Could even bring Donegal to penalty shootout like Armagh did and Tyrone learnt little going by Donegal beating them by a bit to spare last weekend.
True. Tyrone very Jekyll and Hyde.
Hyde a long time now. Or is it Jekyll?
Quote from: ONeill on May 31, 2024, 11:19:38 PMHyde a long time now. Or is it Jekyll?
Either way.... 2 games in 2021 are doing some heavy lifting. And that's harsh because winning an All Ireland takes some doing. It's just that those performances were very much the outliers for this squad.
Were in an AI Final 3 years before that though as well.
That's true.
And got tanked. Really.
Having failed to win Ulster. Scraping by Monaghan.
And I know it's harsh. But an example of this is the 2021 POTY.
I agree. And maybe we're too critical. We want to be Kerry and Dublin, and perhaps Mayo. Always competitive in Croke on the big days. The numbers and the setup for two decades now suggest we should be. I'd say Tyrone are heavyweights at underage.
I don't think people are too critical. I'd almost give anyone a bye ball with Dublin (perhaps, incorrectly) but Tyrone have produced enough quality underage teams to be confident against anything else. Last year against Kerry was a fcukin embarrassment. In itself, and because that's a middlin enough Kerry team.
Updated Power Rankings - Coming near the business end of the season now.
1. Dublin - No change
2. Kerry - No change
3. Donegal - Up 1 places
4. Galway – Down 1 Place
5. Mayo – Up 1 place
6. Armagh - Up one place
7. Tyrone - Up one place
8. Derry - Down 4 places
9. Cork- No Change
10. Roscommon – No Change
11. Louth - Up one place
12. Monaghan – Down 1 place
13. Down - No change
14. Cavan – No Change
15. Sligo – No Change
16. Westmeath – No Change
17. Meath – No Change
18. Kildare - No change
19. Clare - No change
20. Antrim – Up one Place
21. Laois - Up 2 places
22. Fermanagh – Down 2 places
23. Wexford – Down 1 Place
24. Wicklow - Up 1 place
25. Leitrim - Down one place
26. Limerick – No Change
27. Offaly – No Change
28. Carlow – No Change
29. Longford – No Change
30. Tipp – No Change
31. Waterford – No Change
32. London – No Change
33. New York - No change
Laoisman11's ranking on Boardsie
Basically you have Dublin and Kerry and Armagh, Galway, Mayo and Donegal much the same and Tyrone not far behind. One of Dublin or Kerry will likely win out, but one could fall to one of the next five if they met. In this system Galway are expected to beat Monaghan and won't go up much for doing so, Mayo might go up a bit if they beat Derry. However, the QFs would see changes in the positions.
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Surprised Cavan went down and Rossies went up by so much based on that
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 18, 2024, 05:05:28 PMSurprised Cavan went down and Rossies went up by so much based on that
In this system if one of two similar teams beats the other then they go up. Had either Armagh or Galway won on Sunday they would now be ahead of Kerry, who got no credit for beating Louth.
There are different angles on how these calculations should be done.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 18, 2024, 05:30:08 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 18, 2024, 05:05:28 PMSurprised Cavan went down and Rossies went up by so much based on that
In this system if one of two similar teams beats the other then they go up. Had either Armagh or Galway won on Sunday they would now be ahead of Kerry, who got no credit for beating Louth.
There are different angles on how these calculations should be done.
Interesting system but obviously wouldn't reflect reality.
Another obvious one is Westmeath being 19th when they've proven over the last 2 years they are definitely a solid top 16 team with 6 very competitive games in 2 seriously tough groups and they certainly shouldn't be ranked lower than the neighbours.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 18, 2024, 05:39:17 PMInteresting system but obviously wouldn't reflect reality.
I think it is not too far off in the medium term, note that the top 7 are all in Div 1.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 18, 2024, 05:39:17 PMAnother obvious one is Westmeath being 19th when they've proven over the last 2 years they are definitely a solid top 16 team with 6 very competitive games in 2 seriously tough groups and they certainly shouldn't be ranked lower than the neighbours.
The system is affected by the nature of the draw, if WH were in the Tailteann they would have gone up by winning games, but by being in Sam they only lost games and although this did not result in them going down their competitors Down etc were going up by winning games. This kind of system works best in the league where teams are playing those fairly similar in standard and over the season everyone plays everyone.
Yeah top 2 correct at this stage and next 5 could all beat each other on a given day.
If we'd beaten Galway or they'd beaten us I donnt think it would have meant either deserved to rank ahead of Kerry. Probably more accurate during the league as you say.
The whole power rankings concept is a waste of time and effort.
A bit of harmless fun.
Quote from: smelmoth on June 19, 2024, 07:13:03 AMThe whole power rankings concept is a waste of time and effort.
A pointless discussion in a sea of pointless discussions.
Quote from: bennydorano on June 19, 2024, 10:27:00 AMQuote from: smelmoth on June 19, 2024, 07:13:03 AMThe whole power rankings concept is a waste of time and effort.
A pointless discussion in a sea of pointless discussions.
By that measure most of the discussion here is pointless.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 19, 2024, 10:36:36 AMQuote from: bennydorano on June 19, 2024, 10:27:00 AMQuote from: smelmoth on June 19, 2024, 07:13:03 AMThe whole power rankings concept is a waste of time and effort.
A pointless discussion in a sea of pointless discussions.
By that measure most of the discussion here is pointless.
Yes, that was my point.
I think Antrim are doing well on that chart, I'll take the positives ;)
Quote from: bennydorano on June 19, 2024, 11:13:58 AMQuote from: armaghniac on June 19, 2024, 10:36:36 AMQuote from: bennydorano on June 19, 2024, 10:27:00 AMQuote from: smelmoth on June 19, 2024, 07:13:03 AMThe whole power rankings concept is a waste of time and effort.
A pointless discussion in a sea of pointless discussions.
By that measure most of the discussion here is pointless.
Yes, that was my point.
Sure it is all good craic.
James O'Donoghue still has Derry at 3 in his power ranking on the podcast last night.
Reckons they'll beat Mayo this weekend.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 20, 2024, 09:18:07 AMJames O'Donoghue still has Derry at 3 in his power ranking on the podcast last night.
Reckons they'll beat Mayo this weekend.
3 after getting 2 tankings beat by Galway and scraping by Westmeath. He's got some faith in them
Quote from: armaghniac on June 18, 2024, 05:01:24 PMLaoisman11's ranking on Boardsie
Basically you have Dublin and Kerry and Armagh, Galway, Mayo and Donegal much the same and Tyrone not far behind. One of Dublin or Kerry will likely win out, but one could fall to one of the next five if they met. In this system Galway are expected to beat Monaghan and won't go up much for doing so, Mayo might go up a bit if they beat Derry. However, the QFs would see changes in the positions.
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this appears to overvalue div2 results, consequently overstating Armagh's position
Looking at it from an antrim perspective while for us we're doing well there is no reason we should be above Sligo as they finished higher in league and in TC group. Then Clare, Meath and Westmeath you would question why we're above too.
Not sure how these rankings were concocted.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 20, 2024, 09:43:15 AMLooking at it from an antrim perspective while for us we're doing well there is no reason we should be above Sligo as they finished higher in league and in TC group. Then Clare, Meath and Westmeath you would question why we're above too.
Not sure how these rankings were concocted.
Think you get a small score for beating a side below you- the further below you the less credit you get and the further below a team you are the more points you get if you beat them. All them fecking penalty shootouts are down as draws for the purpose of this so don't think they counted against us. It's not perfect way to rank teams obviously but thats the data behind it.
Explains it thanks. I wish we were 15th but I'd have us a few more places down and our opposition on Sunday a bit closer to us.
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on June 20, 2024, 09:39:20 AMthis appears to overvalue div2 results, consequently overstating Armagh's position
No, as the previous post said you get little or nothing for beating a team below you. Armagh got nothing for most of their games in Div 2, as Armagh came into the ranking pretty high and Meath, Fermanagh etc were far lower. In the group stages, Armagh played Derry who were fairly similar then and a big margin of victory sent Armagh up and Derry down. Earlier in the championship Donegal also had a big boost by beating Derry, while Armagh got nothing for beating Fermanagh. Donegal are lower than Armagh now because they were beaten by Cork.
No system is perfect and in this system a one point victory can have an excessive effect and progression on penalties can mean that the progressing team ends up lower, e.g. Monaghan progressed last year and got beat in the semi final, they only got a small bonus from the draw (as Armagh were higher then) and a bigger drop from the defeat.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 18, 2024, 05:01:24 PMLaoisman11's ranking on Boardsie
Basically you have Dublin and Kerry and Armagh, Galway, Mayo and Donegal much the same and Tyrone not far behind. One of Dublin or Kerry will likely win out, but one could fall to one of the next five if they met. In this system Galway are expected to beat Monaghan and won't go up much for doing so, Mayo might go up a bit if they beat Derry. However, the QFs would see changes in the positions.
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Shamrock Shore was right, Longford are rock Bottom.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 20, 2024, 01:40:05 PMShamrock Shore was right, Longford are rock Bottom.
In fairness, the score for New York isn't really comparable with the rest!
Quote from: armaghniac on June 20, 2024, 02:45:02 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on June 20, 2024, 01:40:05 PMShamrock Shore was right, Longford are rock Bottom.
In fairness, the score for New York isn't really comparable with the rest!
New York were close to beating Laois, probably would have beaten Longford seeing that they lost to Waterford by a bit to spare.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 20, 2024, 03:18:42 PMQuote from: armaghniac on June 20, 2024, 02:45:02 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on June 20, 2024, 01:40:05 PMShamrock Shore was right, Longford are rock Bottom.
In fairness, the score for New York isn't really comparable with the rest!
New York were close to beating Laois, probably would have beaten Longford seeing that they lost to Waterford by a bit to spare.
Longford being beaten by Waterford was a bad plan, as Waterford were lower than everyone and so they swapped places.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 20, 2024, 10:32:50 AMQuote from: Never beat the deeler on June 20, 2024, 09:39:20 AMthis appears to overvalue div2 results, consequently overstating Armagh's position
No, as the previous post said you get little or nothing for beating a team below you. Armagh got nothing for most of their games in Div 2, as Armagh came into the ranking pretty high and Meath, Fermanagh etc were far lower. In the group stages, Armagh played Derry who were fairly similar then and a big margin of victory sent Armagh up and Derry down. Earlier in the championship Donegal also had a big boost by beating Derry, while Armagh got nothing for beating Fermanagh. Donegal are lower than Armagh now because they were beaten by Cork.
No system is perfect and in this system a one point victory can have an excessive effect and progression on penalties can mean that the progressing team ends up lower, e.g. Monaghan progressed last year and got beat in the semi final, they only got a small bonus from the draw (as Armagh were higher then) and a bigger drop from the defeat.
Thanks for the explanation, I think that makes sense. So wins over Galway last year and Derry this year partly responsible for where Armagh are as by deinition they can't get much for the D2 wins (and didnt beat either of Cork or Donegal) and all other wins in the last couple of years seem to be per 'expected' results based on table position.
Not having a go at Armagh btw, just the position that seemed most glaring at a quick glance
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on June 21, 2024, 01:48:52 AMThanks for the explanation, I think that makes sense. So wins over Galway last year and Derry this year partly responsible for where Armagh are as by deinition they can't get much for the D2 wins (and didnt beat either of Cork or Donegal) and all other wins in the last couple of years seem to be per 'expected' results based on table position.
Not having a go at Armagh btw, just the position that seemed most glaring at a quick glance
Armagh had a good position after the championship last year because they beat Galway and were not beaten afterwards. So although there were in Div 2 there were higher than that in the table. From that higher position the only way they could go in Div 2 was down, but they only lost the Div 2 final to Donegal, who by that stage were fairly close in ranking. So they were still in something like 6th place this year and beating Derry moved them up.
Laoisman11 on Boards.ie plotted the rankings over the years of Galway and Armagh, which have actually been fairly similar.
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Power Rankings as of Middle of League
1. Galway
2. Donegal
3. Armagh
4. Dublin
5. Kerry
6. Mayo
7. Tyrone
8. Derry
9. Roscommon
10. Monaghan
11. Meath
12. Cork
13. Kildare
14. Down
15. Cavan
16. Louth
17. Westmeath
18. Offaly
19. Clare
20. Laois
21. Fermanagh
22. Sligo
23. Wexford
24. Antrim
25. Limerick
26. Wicklow
27. London
28. Tipperary
29. Carlow
30. Longford
31. Waterford
32. New York
33. Leitrim
Any disagreements let me know?
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 25, 2025, 12:08:00 PMPower Rankings as of Middle of League
1. Galway
2. Donegal
3. Armagh
4. Dublin
5. Kerry
6. Mayo
7. Tyrone
8. Derry
9. Roscommon
10. Monaghan
11. Meath
12. Cork
13. Kildare
14. Down
15. Cavan
16. Louth
17. Westmeath
18. Offaly
19. Clare
20. Laois
21. Fermanagh
22. Sligo
23. Wexford
24. Antrim
25. Limerick
26. Wicklow
27. London
28. Tipperary
29. Carlow
30. Longford
31. Waterford
32. New York
33. Leitrim
Any disagreements let me know?
Dublin have been better than Armagh to date, though wouldn't be surprised if Armagh beat them Saturday night.
Quote from: statto on February 25, 2025, 12:18:39 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 25, 2025, 12:08:00 PMPower Rankings as of Middle of League
1. Galway
2. Donegal
3. Armagh
4. Dublin
5. Kerry
6. Mayo
7. Tyrone
8. Derry
9. Roscommon
10. Monaghan
11. Meath
12. Cork
13. Kildare
14. Down
15. Cavan
16. Louth
17. Westmeath
18. Offaly
19. Clare
20. Laois
21. Fermanagh
22. Sligo
23. Wexford
24. Antrim
25. Limerick
26. Wicklow
27. London
28. Tipperary
29. Carlow
30. Longford
31. Waterford
32. New York
33. Leitrim
Any disagreements let me know?
Dublin have been better than Armagh to date, though wouldn't be surprised if Armagh beat them Saturday night.
They have, but have to leave a but of weight on the all ireland win.
Boards.ie ranking at the moment for comparison
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We are nearer 17th than 7 after last Sunday's effort!
Probably accurate enough at the minute. Galway might drop abit if teams realise it's probably not a good idea to leave a man like Walsh free at the edge of the arc especially with a wind behind him. Seen a stat today he's got more 2 pointers than any county in division 1.
Updated power rankings as of league end.
1. Armagh
2. Kerry
3. Donegal
4. Galway
5. Dublin
6. Mayo
7. Tyrone
8. Monaghan
9. Roscommon
10. Cork
11. Derry
12. Meath
13. Cavan
14. Down
15. Louth
16. Westmeath
17. Kildare
18. Offaly
19. Clare
20. Sligo
21. Wexford
22. Fermanagh
23. Laois
24. Antrim
25. Limerick
26. Wicklow
27. Carlow
28. Tipperary
29. Longford
30. London
31. Waterford
32. New York
33. Leitrim
Updated power rankings
1. Galway
2. Donegal
3. Armagh
4. Kerry
5. Dublin
6. Tyrone
7. Mayo
8. Meath
9. Monaghan
10. Cork
11. Derry
12. Louth
13. Down
14. Roscommon
15. Cavan
16. Kildare
17. Westmeath
18. Offaly
19. Sligo
20. Clare
21. Fermanagh
22. Laois
23. Wexford
24. Antrim
25. Limerick
26. Wicklow
27. Carlow
28. Tipperary
29. Longford
30. London
31. Waterford
32. New York
33. Leitrim
Not sure how Donegal have leapfrogged us based on championship games, think both have got the jobs done without being brilliant, both have shown top quality at times. Seems to be a clear top 4 at the minute, but wouldn't rule Tyrone and Dublin out of Sam, then Derry, Mayo, Monaghan, Rossies all capable of taking a scalp or 2, Louth, Meath Cork will be full of confidence as well and could beat a big team on their day.
Should be an excellent championship.
Harsh on Kerry that... generous on Dublin.
Quote from: lurganblue on April 29, 2025, 11:11:05 AMHarsh on Kerry that... generous on Dublin.
Tyrone and Dublin could maybe swap, don't think anyone else is above the Dubs at the minute. Top 4 fairly interchangeable, Galway probably top four for me at the minute but little enough between all 4.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 29, 2025, 11:21:46 AMQuote from: lurganblue on April 29, 2025, 11:11:05 AMHarsh on Kerry that... generous on Dublin.
Tyrone and Dublin could maybe swap, don't think anyone else is above the Dubs at the minute. Top 4 fairly interchangeable, Galway probably top four for me at the minute but little enough between all 4.
I'd have top 4 nearly inseparable.
Looking forward the draw tomorrow hopefully no soft draws for Kerry and Dublin ideally in the one group
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 29, 2025, 11:10:44 AMNot sure how Donegal have leapfrogged us based on championship games, think both have got the jobs done without being brilliant, both have shown top quality at times. Seems to be a clear top 4 at the minute, but wouldn't rule Tyrone and Dublin out of Sam, then Derry, Mayo, Monaghan, Rossies all capable of taking a scalp or 2, Louth, Meath Cork will be full of confidence as well and could beat a big team on their day.
Should be an excellent championship.
Thought that the new Rules would suit the Rossies as have some very good forwards, their last two performances have been very underwhelming I would imagine Burke will do well to see next year.
I would expect Tyrone to be hard to beat and Dublin in Croke Park will not be easy for anyone.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 29, 2025, 12:43:56 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 29, 2025, 11:21:46 AMQuote from: lurganblue on April 29, 2025, 11:11:05 AMHarsh on Kerry that... generous on Dublin.
Tyrone and Dublin could maybe swap, don't think anyone else is above the Dubs at the minute. Top 4 fairly interchangeable, Galway probably top four for me at the minute but little enough between all 4.
I'd have top 4 nearly inseparable.
Looking forward the draw tomorrow hopefully no soft draws for Kerry and Dublin ideally in the one group
be some craic!
Hope we avoid Galway as sick looking at the huers lol, at least Westmeath are in the TC.
Unusual to see a team (Ros) drop 5 places?
Quote from: Aristo 60 on April 29, 2025, 02:30:52 PMUnusual to see a team (Ros) drop 5 places?
Only 5!!
Thanks South of the Bann
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 29, 2025, 11:10:44 AMNot sure how Donegal have leapfrogged us based on championship games, think both have got the jobs done without being brilliant, both have shown top quality at times. Seems to be a clear top 4 at the minute, but wouldn't rule Tyrone and Dublin out of Sam, then Derry, Mayo, Monaghan, Rossies all capable of taking a scalp or 2, Louth, Meath Cork will be full of confidence as well and could beat a big team on their day.
Donegal are managed by a messiah like figure, don't you know?
Quote from: armaghniac on April 29, 2025, 08:53:35 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 29, 2025, 11:10:44 AMNot sure how Donegal have leapfrogged us based on championship games, think both have got the jobs done without being brilliant, both have shown top quality at times. Seems to be a clear top 4 at the minute, but wouldn't rule Tyrone and Dublin out of Sam, then Derry, Mayo, Monaghan, Rossies all capable of taking a scalp or 2, Louth, Meath Cork will be full of confidence as well and could beat a big team on their day.
Donegal are lead by a messiah like figure, don't you know?
And St Michael has descended back from the bbc studio, how can they lose :). All we have leading us is a thug who kicks the shite out of innocent unsuspecting flags ;D
Unlike a thug whom can do what he likes without recourse.
2 rounds in and the picture is becoming slightly clearer. Top 9 all capable of beating each other but hard to see all ireland winner not coming from top 3.
1. Armagh
2. Kerry
3. Donegal
4. Galway
5. Tyrone
6. Dublin
7. Mayo
8. Monaghan
9. Derry
10. Down
11. Meath
12. Louth
13. Roscommon
14. Cavan
15. Cork
16. Kildare
17. Clare
18. Westmeath
19. Fermanagh
20. Offaly
21. Sligo
22. Wicklow
23. Limerick
24. Laois
25. Wexford
26. Carlow
27. Antrim
28. Longford
29. Leitrim
30. Tipperary
31. London
32. Waterford
33. New York
6 ulster counties in the top 10, along with the usual suspects.
Down at 10 is spicy. Monaghan could beat them by 10-15 next time out.
Armagh at 1? They have beaten Dublin (6) and Derry (9).but lost another Ulster final to Donegal. I don't think they should be #1.
Meath behind Derry and Down . Would you go away out of that
Quote from: seafoid on June 02, 2025, 09:56:56 PMArmagh at 1? They have beaten Dublin (6) and Derry (9).but lost another Ulster final to Donegal. I don't think they should be #1.
It's almost as if they are all Ireland champions with the best player in the country just returned to the fold.
Quote from: Dunneroyal on June 02, 2025, 09:58:44 PMMeath behind Derry and Down . Would you go away out of that
Meath had their chance to impress v a underperforming Rossies but failed.
Beat Kerry or reach a quarters and they'll shoot up the ranks.
Quote from: Dunneroyal on June 02, 2025, 09:58:44 PMMeath behind Derry and Down . Would you go away out of that
Down have had 2 very good wins in the group and are going to get a home prelim at worst and had a credible performance against Donegal in Ulster.
Mad to think Derry have only beat Westmeath (outside of penalties) in any league/championship match since the league final last year.
Where has this rush to annoint Rian as the best player in the country come from ffs? And I don't mean "from Armagh".
Quote from: gallsman on June 02, 2025, 10:22:44 PMWhere has this rush to annoint Rian as the best player in the country come from ffs? And I don't mean "from Armagh".
Agree, he didnt do much v Derry in his first game back as was to be expected. Last year he won an all star but was no where near poty. What has he done to be now challenging Clifford. Based on a couple of 2 pointers v thr Dubs. Very good player but feels premature.
Quote from: Dunneroyal on June 02, 2025, 09:58:44 PMMeath behind Derry and Down . Would you go away out of that
I'd be fairly confident that Derry with their squad from the weekend would beat anyone below them and I'd fancy us to beat Monaghan, Tyrone and Mayo too. Issue is we only get to play the top 4 teams every week.
Quote from: Mario on June 02, 2025, 10:31:53 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 02, 2025, 10:22:44 PMWhere has this rush to annoint Rian as the best player in the country come from ffs? And I don't mean "from Armagh".
Agree, he didnt do much v Derry in his first game back as was to be expected. Last year he won an all star but was no where near poty. What has he done to be now challenging Clifford. Based on a couple of 2 pointers v thr Dubs. Very good player but feels premature.
Quote from: Dunneroyal on June 02, 2025, 09:58:44 PMMeath behind Derry and Down . Would you go away out of that
I'd be fairly confident that Derry with their squad from the weekend would beat anyone below them and I'd fancy us to beat Monaghan, Tyrone and Mayo too. Issue is we only get to play the top 4 teams every week.
Rian was my player of the year last year - he single handedly dragged Armagh past Kerry imo in the outstanding performance of the year. True generational talent when he's in the mood.
Quote from: Dunneroyal on June 02, 2025, 09:58:44 PMMeath behind Derry and Down . Would you go away out of that
What was your quote the other day, something about Armagh and Donegal being good, but not at the top table and a long way behind Kerry, Galway and Dublin? I only noted it as it was a pretty unique viewpoint!!
Meath have come on massively since a few of those limp championship performances over the past few years and it was fantastic to see them beat the dubs, but I'd not want to call a game between them and down and on all evidence to date, I'd be happy with the draw of Derry progressed and drew them.
If they can give Kerry a game, or even a much better game than last year, then maybe we'll reevaluate, but until then....
Quote from: onefineday on June 03, 2025, 02:00:47 AMRian was my player of the year last year - he single handedly dragged Armagh past Kerry imo in the outstanding performance of the year. True generational talent when he's in the mood.
He may well be, he's certainly in the top tier of players. However there appears to have been a rush since he came back to declare it as a matter of fact that I simply don't understand.
Quote from: gallsman on June 03, 2025, 07:33:03 AMQuote from: onefineday on June 03, 2025, 02:00:47 AMRian was my player of the year last year - he single handedly dragged Armagh past Kerry imo in the outstanding performance of the year. True generational talent when he's in the mood.
He may well be, he's certainly in the top tier of players. However there appears to have been a rush since he came back to declare it as a matter of fact that I simply don't understand.
hes up there for sure. Just how up there is a matter for debate. Is he as good as clifford? In scoring terms no but he doesnt just add scores. I would say he is certainly better all round than clifford?? A fit Con is up there also
Quote from: gallsman on June 03, 2025, 07:33:03 AMQuote from: onefineday on June 03, 2025, 02:00:47 AMRian was my player of the year last year - he single handedly dragged Armagh past Kerry imo in the outstanding performance of the year. True generational talent when he's in the mood.
He may well be, he's certainly in the top tier of players. However there appears to have been a rush since he came back to declare it as a matter of fact that I simply don't understand.
Wrong thread but anyway, think he's always been rated very highly in Armagh and people that have watched him from he was younger know theres a special player in there. He obviously doesn't put up the scores of a Clifford or O'Callaghan but then usually plays a different role more out round the middle. So so versatile and I rate him as vital for us if we're going to win Sam again. Hopefully the brother is fit as well by the time the quarter finals come around.
Certainly better all round than Clifford? Not sure I agree with that. Maybe, but don't think there's anything to definitively say so.
I would have Offaly over Kildare before start of TC, but they don't seem to be going as well.
I'd love them in the 1/4 Final at home.
Meath and Louth both drained themselves in Leinster and are not bad, but not great.
Armagh, Donegal, Kerry = serious contenders for Sam.
Galway, Mayowestros, Tyrone, Dublin,Monaghan could take out one of the above and who knows after that.
Derry...
Ros, Cork, Meath, Louth, Down, Cavan are a kind of Joe McDonagh group of teams, below the top table but above the next level.
Quote from: gallsman on June 03, 2025, 09:11:17 AMCertainly better all round than Clifford? Not sure I agree with that. Maybe, but don't think there's anything to definitively say so.
He's more of an all rounder than Clifford obviously, different players and different roles.
Regardless, Rian is in that top bracket of players for the big occasion who will be vital for us if we're going to retain Sam.
Quote from: gallsman on June 03, 2025, 09:11:17 AMCertainly better all round than Clifford? Not sure I agree with that. Maybe, but don't think there's anything to definitively say so.
he gives a lot more to the team than just a scoring threat which is where the better all round comments would come from
Clifford has a starting position on the greatest Gaelic Football team of all time.
O'Neill is one of the best players of a generation. In terms of recognition, it's a bloody high bar but still many notches below.
As a comparison, it's along the lines of equating Lionel Messi with Wesley Snijder.
You lads are mental.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 02, 2025, 09:06:34 PM2 rounds in and the picture is becoming slightly clearer. Top 9 all capable of beating each other but hard to see all ireland winner not coming from top 3.
1. Armagh
2. Kerry
3. Donegal
4. Galway
5. Tyrone
6. Dublin
7. Mayo
8. Monaghan
9. Derry
10. Down
11. Meath
12. Louth
13. Roscommon
14. Cavan
15. Cork
16. Kildare
17. Clare
18. Westmeath
19. Fermanagh
20. Offaly
21. Sligo
22. Wicklow
23. Limerick
24. Laois
25. Wexford
26. Carlow
27. Antrim
28. Longford
29. Leitrim
30. Tipperary
31. London
32. Waterford
33. New York
My top 10 would be
1) Kerry
2) Donegal
3) Armagh
4) Galway
5) Dublin
6) Tyrone
7) Mayo
8) Derry
9) Monaghan
10) Rossies
Kerry have the best players from what i seen so far but may well get caught out when they finally meet a top Div 1 team due to playing lesser opposition and not battle hardened. Donegal are Ulster Champions and beat Armagh only a few weeks ago so have no2 spot for me. Armagh at 3 very closely followed by Galway and Dublin. Galway will get better and so will the Dubs who kicked a few bad wides and gave 3 20m free's for breach in a 5 min spell which won't happen again. It's very open and all top 10 ten teams can beat anyone in a one off game, it should be a good Championship and injuries with a wee bit of luck on the day any team in my top 6 can win SAM. (just my opinion of course)
Quote from: illdecide on June 03, 2025, 10:46:50 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 02, 2025, 09:06:34 PM2 rounds in and the picture is becoming slightly clearer. Top 9 all capable of beating each other but hard to see all ireland winner not coming from top 3.
1. Armagh
2. Kerry
3. Donegal
4. Galway
5. Tyrone
6. Dublin
7. Mayo
8. Monaghan
9. Derry
10. Down
11. Meath
12. Louth
13. Roscommon
14. Cavan
15. Cork
16. Kildare
17. Clare
18. Westmeath
19. Fermanagh
20. Offaly
21. Sligo
22. Wicklow
23. Limerick
24. Laois
25. Wexford
26. Carlow
27. Antrim
28. Longford
29. Leitrim
30. Tipperary
31. London
32. Waterford
33. New York
My top 10 would be
1) Kerry
2) Donegal
3) Armagh
4) Galway
5) Dublin
6) Tyrone
7) Mayo
8) Derry
9) Monaghan
10) Rossies
Kerry have the best players from what i seen so far but may well get caught out when they finally meet a top Div 1 team due to playing lesser opposition and not battle hardened. Donegal are Ulster Champions and beat Armagh only a few weeks ago so have no2 spot for me. Armagh at 3 very closely followed by Galway and Dublin. Galway will get better and so will the Dubs who kicked a few bad wides and gave 3 20m free's for breach in a 5 min spell which won't happen again. It's very open and all top 10 ten teams can beat anyone in a one off game, it should be a good Championship and injuries with a wee bit of luck on the day any team in my top 6 can win SAM. (just my opinion of course)
Not far off but the Rossies dont deserve top 10.
Armagh have to be above Donegal right now! Donegal only beat them by a point after extra time and we seen them bounce back superbly with two strong performances (better than Donegal showed) and added an allstar back into their line up. (Armagh win that Ulster Final if Rian is fit to play)
For me, the debate is between Armagh and Kerry at 1 and then Donegal at 3.
For me 4.Tyrone, 5.Dublin, 6.Galway can be in whichever order in the next branch. We should know after next weekend.
Then Id have 7.Mayo and 8.Monaghan 9.Down
Putting Derry generously at 10. Power rankings should be based on form and although they had a good game on Saturday its difficult to make a case for a team that havent won a competitive game in a year.
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 03, 2025, 10:29:31 AMQuote from: gallsman on June 03, 2025, 09:11:17 AMCertainly better all round than Clifford? Not sure I agree with that. Maybe, but don't think there's anything to definitively say so.
he gives a lot more to the team than just a scoring threat which is where the better all round comments would come from
As he's generally played out the field more and Clifford is essentially deployed in the FF line. Rian probably better defensively and might have a better long shot on him but I haven't seen anything that he can do that Clifford can't.
Con a better all-round player than both of them
Quote from: gallsman on June 03, 2025, 11:26:42 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on June 03, 2025, 10:29:31 AMQuote from: gallsman on June 03, 2025, 09:11:17 AMCertainly better all round than Clifford? Not sure I agree with that. Maybe, but don't think there's anything to definitively say so.
he gives a lot more to the team than just a scoring threat which is where the better all round comments would come from
As he's generally played out the field more and Clifford is essentially deployed in the FF line. Rian probably better defensively and might have a better long shot on him but I haven't seen anything that he can do that Clifford can't.
Track back? Lol
Different players, I'm biased but even I wouldn't put Rian above him. I'd love to see us use Rian at 14 the odd time, bound to carry a big goal threat with these new rules.
Quote from: smort on June 03, 2025, 11:28:59 AMCon a better all-round player than both of them
Again, quite possibly.
I've no issue whatsoever with anyone arguing that Rian is one of the very best footballers in the country. My issue is that over the last couple of weeks there appear to have been more than a few voices stating that he's unequivocally and unambiguously the best, which I've yet to see evidence of.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 03, 2025, 11:30:06 AMQuote from: gallsman on June 03, 2025, 11:26:42 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on June 03, 2025, 10:29:31 AMQuote from: gallsman on June 03, 2025, 09:11:17 AMCertainly better all round than Clifford? Not sure I agree with that. Maybe, but don't think there's anything to definitively say so.
he gives a lot more to the team than just a scoring threat which is where the better all round comments would come from
As he's generally played out the field more and Clifford is essentially deployed in the FF line. Rian probably better defensively and might have a better long shot on him but I haven't seen anything that he can do that Clifford can't.
Track back? Lol
Different players, I'm biased but even I wouldn't put Rian above him. I'd love to see us use Rian at 14 the odd time, bound to carry a big goal threat with these new rules.
Congratulations, you're arguing that Rian can run back towards his own goal. Well done.
Quote from: smort on June 03, 2025, 11:28:59 AMCon a better all-round player than both of them
Con not the player he was though.
He was devastating when he first came on the scene.
Still always produces when Dublin need him most though.
Quote from: gallsman on June 03, 2025, 11:31:21 AMQuote from: smort on June 03, 2025, 11:28:59 AMCon a better all-round player than both of them
Again, quite possibly.
I've no issue whatsoever with anyone arguing that Rian is one of the very best footballers in the country. My issue is that over the last couple of weeks their appear to have been more than a few voices stating that he's unequivocally and unambiguously the best, which I've yet to see evidence of.
Haven't seen anyone say that tbh, I absolutely have him in that bracket with Con and Clifford etc at the top top players.
I don't think we've seen the best of him either, hopefully he gets more miles in the legs between now and a quarter final, definitely give him the Galway game as well.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 03, 2025, 11:34:32 AMQuote from: smort on June 03, 2025, 11:28:59 AMCon a better all-round player than both of them
Con not the player he was though.
He was devastating when he first came on the scene.
Still always produces when Dublin need him most though.
What age was he when he fired Lee Keegan out of his way and buried those goals? A machine of a player, seems to be injured a lot lately which is a shame.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 03, 2025, 11:34:41 AMQuote from: gallsman on June 03, 2025, 11:31:21 AMQuote from: smort on June 03, 2025, 11:28:59 AMCon a better all-round player than both of them
Again, quite possibly.
I've no issue whatsoever with anyone arguing that Rian is one of the very best footballers in the country. My issue is that over the last couple of weeks their appear to have been more than a few voices stating that he's unequivocally and unambiguously the best, which I've yet to see evidence of.
Haven't seen anyone say that tbh, I absolutely have him in that bracket with Con and Clifford etc at the top top players.
I don't think we've seen the best of him either, hopefully he gets more miles in the legs between now and a quarter final, definitely give him the Galway game as well.
For one, it was stated without any ambiguity up the thread, which is what sparked this particular discussion. Try to keep up.
Some Armagh fans sicken my hole about Rian...when he had the ball on Sunday they were shouting "Shoot", when he didn't have the ball they were shouting "pass it to Rian" like he can shit gold bars ffs. He's a good player who's not nowhere near match fit yet but he's still only one man. As for the debate on who's the better player, they're different players with different attributes and would love both them on my Armagh team but if i had to only pick one DC would get my vote...just saying.
Quote from: illdecide on June 03, 2025, 11:40:38 AMSome Armagh fans sicken my hole about Rian...when he had the ball on Sunday they were shouting "Shoot", when he didn't have the ball they were shouting "pass it to Rian" like he can shit gold bars ffs. He's a good player who's not nowhere near match fit yet but he's still only one man. As for the debate on who's the better player, they're different players with different attributes and would love both them on my Armagh team but if i had to only pick one DC would get my vote...just saying.
Heard that a few times myself, eejits. That sideline ball he kicked away was poor work late on, don't think it was punished though.
Quote from: gallsman on June 03, 2025, 11:31:21 AMQuote from: smort on June 03, 2025, 11:28:59 AMCon a better all-round player than both of them
Again, quite possibly.
I've no issue whatsoever with anyone arguing that Rian is one of the very best footballers in the country. My issue is that over the last couple of weeks there appear to have been more than a few voices stating that he's unequivocally and unambiguously the best, which I've yet to see evidence of.
I havent seen that. I am obviously biased but I do believe he is in the top top bracket along with clifford and con.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 03, 2025, 11:36:00 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 03, 2025, 11:34:32 AMQuote from: smort on June 03, 2025, 11:28:59 AMCon a better all-round player than both of them
Con not the player he was though.
He was devastating when he first came on the scene.
Still always produces when Dublin need him most though.
What age was he when he fired Lee Keegan out of his way and buried those goals? A machine of a player, seems to be injured a lot lately which is a shame.
Id say about 23; was so explosive around that time and always a goal threat.
If we're chatting all rounder I'd throw Glass in there. We haven't gone well but he's been really good all year at both attacking and defending.
Quote from: jmcgdoire on June 03, 2025, 11:25:24 AMArmagh have to be above Donegal right now! Donegal only beat them by a point after extra time and we seen them bounce back superbly with two strong performances (better than Donegal showed) and added an allstar back into their line up. (Armagh win that Ulster Final if Rian is fit to play)
For me, the debate is between Armagh and Kerry at 1 and then Donegal at 3.
For me 4.Tyrone, 5.Dublin, 6.Galway can be in whichever order in the next branch. We should know after next weekend.
Then Id have 7.Mayo and 8.Monaghan 9.Down
Putting Derry generously at 10. Power rankings should be based on form and although they had a good game on Saturday its difficult to make a case for a team that havent won a competitive game in a year.
"Power rankings should be based on form" arguing Armagh should be above Donegal as they would have won if Rian had been playing and that they will get better in the future because he is playing, doesn't support this point. Additionally, Derry's form is that they are as good as (having drawn with) a team you rank 6th and lost by 4 to your number 1 or 2 ranked team Armagh but you will only generously give them 10th. Especially since the Armagh game is one they would have won with just 1 more goal and a two pointer. As far as I recall the last team ranked below Derry to beat them was Roscommon which was back when RG managed them. Could be completely wrong on that but it would indicate they are still just about clinging to their theoretical top 10 status.
I would presume that whoever puts these things together does give more weight to recent games therefore taking form into account. Derry will fall if they do not win their next game as the past success will count for less and less as time goes on.
Anyway, not something to take too seriously since it doesn't help anyone out on the pitch. I'd have Armagh at 1 as they have played and beat good teams more consistently than the chasing pack. And they are actual All Ireland winners.
Quote from: GTP on June 03, 2025, 12:26:54 PMQuote from: jmcgdoire on June 03, 2025, 11:25:24 AMArmagh have to be above Donegal right now! Donegal only beat them by a point after extra time and we seen them bounce back superbly with two strong performances (better than Donegal showed) and added an allstar back into their line up. (Armagh win that Ulster Final if Rian is fit to play)
For me, the debate is between Armagh and Kerry at 1 and then Donegal at 3.
For me 4.Tyrone, 5.Dublin, 6.Galway can be in whichever order in the next branch. We should know after next weekend.
Then Id have 7.Mayo and 8.Monaghan 9.Down
Putting Derry generously at 10. Power rankings should be based on form and although they had a good game on Saturday its difficult to make a case for a team that havent won a competitive game in a year.
"Power rankings should be based on form" arguing Armagh should be above Donegal as they would have won if Rian had been playing and that they will get better in the future because he is playing, doesn't support this point. Additionally, Derry's form is that they are as good as (having drawn with) a team you rank 6th and lost by 4 to your number 1 or 2 ranked team Armagh but you will only generously give them 10th. Especially since the Armagh game is one they would have won with just 1 more goal and a two pointer. As far as I recall the last team ranked below Derry to beat them was Roscommon which was back when RG managed them. Could be completely wrong on that but it would indicate they are still just about clinging to their theoretical top 10 status.
I would presume that whoever puts these things together does give more weight to recent games therefore taking form into account. Derry will fall if they do not win their next game as the past success will count for less and less as time goes on.
Anyway, not something to take too seriously since it doesn't help anyone out on the pitch. I'd have Armagh at 1 as they have played and beat good teams more consistently than the chasing pack. And they are actual All Ireland winners.
Im saying form needs to be considered, hence why Derry are down at 10th (not winning any games) and Armagh are above Donegal (having won both of their group games). I dont believe that Donegal should be above Armagh just because they beat them AET - we learned this last year. After that final it would be totally fair to put Donegal above them but now with Rian back we can see the difference. Both teams are Top 3 and theres not a lot in it.
I dont see the contradiction. To me power rankings means something like "The best teams in the country right now, adjusted for form". We know how could this Derry team CAN be, but theyre clearly going through a poor spell. Some good performances but the results arent backing it up
I was thinking Power Rankings would be worked out maybe by a supercomputer - GAA Rankings (http://gaarankings.net/) - has an ongoing ranking system. Mayo look the outlier by these.
I doubt any Armagh fans in Croke Park last year thought winning this All Ireland is good but I'd love to be number 1 in the Power Rankings.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 02, 2025, 09:06:34 PM2 rounds in and the picture is becoming slightly clearer. Top 9 all capable of beating each other but hard to see all ireland winner not coming from top 3.
1. Armagh
2. Kerry
3. Donegal
4. Galway
5. Tyrone
6. Dublin
7. Mayo
8. Monaghan
9. Derry
10. Down
11. Meath
12. Louth
13. Roscommon
14. Cavan
15. Cork
16. Kildare
17. Clare
18. Westmeath
19. Fermanagh
20. Offaly
21. Sligo
22. Wicklow
23. Limerick
24. Laois
25. Wexford
26. Carlow
27. Antrim
28. Longford
29. Leitrim
30. Tipperary
31. London
32. Waterford
33. New York
Can't wait to see where Meath are now since they have comprehensively beat number 2 (while missing more players than them) and number 5 so far this year. Definitely most improved team of the year. and 70 minutes from semifinal
They'll move up surely, but regency bias is a very real thing. They also lost to a team who were beaten by numbers 8 and 10.
Where would you put them?
Quote from: gallsman on June 15, 2025, 09:34:22 AMThey'll move up surely, but regency bias is a very real thing. They also lost to a team who were beaten by numbers 8 and 10.
Where would you put them?
Meath I think are 5th maybe 4th at the moment. I'd still have Kerry higher than them after thrashing them yesterday not because of the players they have to come back but experience , Just yesterday Kerry had an air of superiority complex about them. How dare Meath come here and think they can win. Arrogance during the week was unbelievable from Kerry pundits and nearly everyone else about Kerry needing the players back for quarters. It was disgraceful to the most improved team in Ireland full of lads who beat dub some were saying ahh but that was a fluke. It wasn't it was a tactical masterpiece by management and executed perfectly by the players. As for Louth defeat ? It was a case of 3 goals mostly against the run of play. A 2 point free for a player falling over without been touched and I'll be honest a bit on inexperience. I haven't spoken to one player or supporter who didn't think we left that behind us. Therefore it was about putting things right in the group stages.
While i personally think it will be next year before we will seriously challenge for a all Ireland, we are the coming team in football, we are no longer also fans and people might start to sit up and take notice. It wasn't that Kerry were that bad yesterday it was that Meath were that good
That's a whole lot of hubris in one short message.
Quote from: gallsman on June 15, 2025, 10:34:54 AMThat's a whole lot of hubris in one short message.
What better day for hubris than beating Kerry, who exhibited hubris in relation to this game?
Quote from: Dunneroyal on June 15, 2025, 10:31:00 AMWhile i personally think it will be next year before we will seriously challenge for a all Ireland, we are the coming team in football, we are no longer also fans and people might start to sit up and take notice. It wasn't that Kerry were that bad yesterday it was that Meath were that good
Did you mean
Only Fans ? ;D
Quote from: The Boy Wonder on June 15, 2025, 12:11:12 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 15, 2025, 10:31:00 AMWhile i personally think it will be next year before we will seriously challenge for a all Ireland, we are the coming team in football, we are no longer also fans and people might start to sit up and take notice. It wasn't that Kerry were that bad yesterday it was that Meath were that good
Did you mean Only Fans ? ;D
Haha ;D yeah I've great thing going. Old bald fat man only fans. Heheh
Quote from: Dunneroyal on June 15, 2025, 08:31:17 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 02, 2025, 09:06:34 PM2 rounds in and the picture is becoming slightly clearer. Top 9 all capable of beating each other but hard to see all ireland winner not coming from top 3.
1. Armagh
2. Kerry
3. Donegal
4. Galway
5. Tyrone
6. Dublin
7. Mayo
8. Monaghan
9. Derry
10. Down
11. Meath
12. Louth
13. Roscommon
14. Cavan
15. Cork
16. Kildare
17. Clare
18. Westmeath
19. Fermanagh
20. Offaly
21. Sligo
22. Wicklow
23. Limerick
24. Laois
25. Wexford
26. Carlow
27. Antrim
28. Longford
29. Leitrim
30. Tipperary
31. London
32. Waterford
33. New York
Can't wait to see where Meath are now since they have comprehensively beat number 2 (while missing more players than them) and number 5 so far this year. Definitely most improved team of the year. and 70 minutes from semifinal
We will reassess in a couple days time. Credit where it's due a great win for Meath football
3 rounds in and this is how I see it. Meath the big movers. And still have more scope to move up the ranks if they continue to prove me wrong.
1. Armagh
2. Donegal
3. Galway
4. Kerry
5. Tyrone
6. Dublin
7. Meath
8. Monaghan
9. Mayo
10. Derry
11. Down
12. Cork
13. Louth
14. Roscommon
15. Kildare
16. Cavan
17. Offaly
18. Fermanagh
19. Clare
20. Westmeath
21. Sligo
22. Limerick
23. Wicklow
24. Laois
25. Wexford
26. Carlow
27. Antrim
28. Leitrim
29. Longford
30. Tipperary
31. London
32. Waterford
33. New York
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 18, 2025, 11:29:09 PM3 rounds in and this is how I see it. Meath the big movers. And still have more scope to move up the ranks if they continue to prove me wrong.
1. Armagh
2. Donegal
3. Galway
4. Kerry
5. Tyrone
6. Dublin
7. Meath
8. Monaghan
9. Mayo
10. Derry
11. Down
12. Cork
13. Louth
14. Roscommon
15. Kildare
16. Cavan
17. Offaly
18. Fermanagh
19. Clare
20. Westmeath
21. Sligo
22. Limerick
23. Wicklow
24. Laois
25. Wexford
26. Carlow
27. Antrim
28. Leitrim
29. Longford
30. Tipperary
31. London
32. Waterford
33. New York
Top 6 highlighted will vary in most peoples thoughts. All have been beaten and all can beat each other. Impossible to call it TBH and that 6 could be in any order
Quote from: illdecide on June 19, 2025, 11:35:59 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 18, 2025, 11:29:09 PM3 rounds in and this is how I see it. Meath the big movers. And still have more scope to move up the ranks if they continue to prove me wrong.
1. Armagh
2. Donegal
3. Galway
4. Kerry
5. Tyrone
6. Dublin
7. Meath
8. Monaghan
9. Mayo
10. Derry
11. Down
12. Cork
13. Louth
14. Roscommon
15. Kildare
16. Cavan
17. Offaly
18. Fermanagh
19. Clare
20. Westmeath
21. Sligo
22. Limerick
23. Wicklow
24. Laois
25. Wexford
26. Carlow
27. Antrim
28. Leitrim
29. Longford
30. Tipperary
31. London
32. Waterford
33. New York
Top 6 highlighted will vary in most peoples thoughts. All have been beaten and all can beat each other. Impossible to call it TBH and that 6 could be in any order
I would agree. All capable of beating one another on their day, that top 6 could be rotated about very fast.
Boards.ie ranking table at the moment for comparison. Meath wins against Dublin,Kerry gave them high ranking points to shoot up the table.
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Quote from: Blowitupref on June 19, 2025, 04:27:02 PMBoards.ie ranking table at the moment for comparison. Meath wins against Dublin,Kerry gave them high ranking points to shoot up the table.
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Their algorithm must be designed by DunneRoyal
Galway going above Armagh having beaten them by a point after Armagh all but switched off at half time is a bit mad.
Kerry, Tyrone, Mayo and Derry would beat Meath or Monaghan!
Not sure why Meath folks are so giddy about that worthless statistic beating Dublin and Kerry in the same championship. They weren't knockout games, it's not the same as those previous teams who managed it with their entire championship on the line.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on June 19, 2025, 07:53:20 PMNot sure why Meath folks are so giddy about that worthless statistic beating Dublin and Kerry in the same championship. They weren't knockout games, it's not the same as those previous teams who managed it with their entire championship on the line.
Its progress from Dublin and Kerry routinely hammering them though, fair play to Meath.
Quote from: screenexile on June 19, 2025, 07:28:54 PMKerry, Tyrone, Mayo and Derry would beat Meath or Monaghan!
Kerry would if they could, Tyrone probably would, Mayo are back to salad dressing and Derry are in rehab.
I wouldn't pay much (if any) attention to an algorithm based ranking system.
Quote from: screenexile on June 19, 2025, 07:28:54 PMKerry, Tyrone, Mayo and Derry would beat Meath or Monaghan!
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Kerry couldn't six days ago.
Quote from: Dunneroyal on June 19, 2025, 10:25:21 PMQuote from: screenexile on June 19, 2025, 07:28:54 PMKerry, Tyrone, Mayo and Derry would beat Meath or Monaghan!
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Kerry couldn't six days ago.
Because they didn't need to. I was at the Leinster final, great occasion and an exciting game between two very average teams. In knockout they won't live with Kerry, Dublin, Armagh, Galway...
I wouldn't like to be calling any of these games with any certainty- Mayo couldn't beat Cavan who were tanked by Tyrone and Donegal, they but beat Tyrone, who then beat Donegal. Kerry tanked Roscommon, Meath drew with them but beat Kerry well.
I think there'll be one shock this weekend, although where I don't know.
Quote from: Truthsayer on June 19, 2025, 10:28:07 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 19, 2025, 10:25:21 PMQuote from: screenexile on June 19, 2025, 07:28:54 PMKerry, Tyrone, Mayo and Derry would beat Meath or Monaghan!
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Kerry couldn't six days ago.
Because they didn't need to. I was at the Leinster final, great occasion and an exciting game between two very average teams. In knockout they won't live with Kerry, Dublin, Armagh, Galway...
Haha. Yeah think you need to go to specsavers. Meath would easily beat Kerry again. And Dublin too. Actually I don't see one team in last 12 who Meath would be worried about.
We won't win it for the reason that we are too inexperienced. But easily the toughest team left in it
Quote from: Dunneroyal on June 20, 2025, 09:24:35 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on June 19, 2025, 10:28:07 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 19, 2025, 10:25:21 PMQuote from: screenexile on June 19, 2025, 07:28:54 PMKerry, Tyrone, Mayo and Derry would beat Meath or Monaghan!
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Kerry couldn't six days ago.
Because they didn't need to. I was at the Leinster final, great occasion and an exciting game between two very average teams. In knockout they won't live with Kerry, Dublin, Armagh, Galway...
Haha. Yeah think you need to go to specsavers. Meath would easily beat Kerry again. And Dublin too. Actually I don't see one team in last 12 who Meath would be worried about.
We won't win it for the reason that we are too inexperienced. But easily the toughest team left in it
In your dreams as you're about to find out :D
Quote from: Truthsayer on June 20, 2025, 09:47:01 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 20, 2025, 09:24:35 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on June 19, 2025, 10:28:07 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 19, 2025, 10:25:21 PMQuote from: screenexile on June 19, 2025, 07:28:54 PMKerry, Tyrone, Mayo and Derry would beat Meath or Monaghan!
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Kerry couldn't six days ago.
Because they didn't need to. I was at the Leinster final, great occasion and an exciting game between two very average teams. In knockout they won't live with Kerry, Dublin, Armagh, Galway...
Haha. Yeah think you need to go to specsavers. Meath would easily beat Kerry again. And Dublin too. Actually I don't see one team in last 12 who Meath would be worried about.
We won't win it for the reason that we are too inexperienced. But easily the toughest team left in it
In your dreams as you're about to find out :D
Wow!!! I thought Tyrone and Mayo fans were deluded!
Quote from: Dunneroyal on June 20, 2025, 09:24:35 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on June 19, 2025, 10:28:07 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 19, 2025, 10:25:21 PMQuote from: screenexile on June 19, 2025, 07:28:54 PMKerry, Tyrone, Mayo and Derry would beat Meath or Monaghan!
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Kerry couldn't six days ago.
Because they didn't need to. I was at the Leinster final, great occasion and an exciting game between two very average teams. In knockout they won't live with Kerry, Dublin, Armagh, Galway...
Haha. Yeah think you need to go to specsavers. Meath would easily beat Kerry again. And Dublin too. Actually I don't see one team in last 12 who Meath would be worried about.
We won't win it for the reason that we are too inexperienced. But easily the toughest team left in it
I think Meath would give us a game, but full out they couldn't live with Rian, Ross and Conaty plus Soupy and co off the bench. Think they have the players to hurt us but we've enough dog about us to beat them.
Quote from: screenexile on June 21, 2025, 01:55:40 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on June 20, 2025, 09:47:01 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 20, 2025, 09:24:35 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on June 19, 2025, 10:28:07 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 19, 2025, 10:25:21 PMQuote from: screenexile on June 19, 2025, 07:28:54 PMKerry, Tyrone, Mayo and Derry would beat Meath or Monaghan!
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Kerry couldn't six days ago.
Because they didn't need to. I was at the Leinster final, great occasion and an exciting game between two very average teams. In knockout they won't live with Kerry, Dublin, Armagh, Galway...
Haha. Yeah think you need to go to specsavers. Meath would easily beat Kerry again. And Dublin too. Actually I don't see one team in last 12 who Meath would be worried about.
We won't win it for the reason that we are too inexperienced. But easily the toughest team left in it
In your dreams as you're about to find out :D
Wow!!! I thought Tyrone and Mayo fans were deluded!
Derry fan gotta explain how Tyrone fans are deluded. I've heard no-one here suggest Tyrone will win the All Ireland this year. Is likely a quarter-final or semi-final exit but def is improving... we'll see.
In a good place though: have won three of the last four U20 All Irelands, minors are in the All Ireland semi-final this weekend and senior All Ireland winners just 4 years ago.
What Derry wouldn't give for that record after the hype of winning league title last year and collapse since not even reaching preliminary quarter-final this year..
so Derry fan, how are Tyrone fans deluded? 😊 🤷
I think Derry and Tyrone underage teams are closer than the recent record suggests. We were the better side v Tyrone u20s last year in Ulster final but got beat on pens. A couple of years ago McEvoy and Lachlan Murray werent allowed to played by RG.
As for the senior team, Tyrone have outperformed us this year. They had an early preseason and hit the ground running (but still got relegated). I still think our best team beats Tyrone's as they have done in most games in the past few years.
Quote from: Mario on June 21, 2025, 12:59:54 PMI think Derry and Tyrone underage teams are closer than the recent record suggests. We were the better side v Tyrone u20s last year in Ulster final but got beat on pens. A couple of years ago McEvoy and Lachlan Murray werent allowed to played by RG.
As for the senior team, Tyrone have outperformed us this year. They had an early preseason and hit the ground running (but still got relegated). I still think our best team beats Tyrone's as they have done in most games in the past few years.
Unfortunately when they engrave the name on the cup there isn't enough room to add those details. Can I add, outside of Dublin and Kerry, Tyrone have won the most Sam Maguires in the last 30 years...
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 21, 2025, 02:29:54 AMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 20, 2025, 09:24:35 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on June 19, 2025, 10:28:07 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 19, 2025, 10:25:21 PMQuote from: screenexile on June 19, 2025, 07:28:54 PMKerry, Tyrone, Mayo and Derry would beat Meath or Monaghan!
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Kerry couldn't six days ago.
Because they didn't need to. I was at the Leinster final, great occasion and an exciting game between two very average teams. In knockout they won't live with Kerry, Dublin, Armagh, Galway...
Haha. Yeah think you need to go to specsavers. Meath would easily beat Kerry again. And Dublin too. Actually I don't see one team in last 12 who Meath would be worried about.
We won't win it for the reason that we are too inexperienced. But easily the toughest team left in it
I think Meath would give us a game, but full out they couldn't live with Rian, Ross and Conaty plus Soupy and co off the bench. Think they have the players to hurt us but we've enough dog about us to beat them.
That would be my view. As in Duke, kinsella , morris , Costello and frayne they need a little bit of time. They are probably the best players we have had since 01, I could see any of them rival anything that there was under Boylan. However we have weaknesses elsewhere, particularly with our 3 first choice midfielders missing and depending on a mid 30 veteran. Missing 4/5 certain starters including number 2/3 top scorers this year, it's a huge ask. However I don't see one team bothering us that much. I think inexperience and above all a lack of cuteness will be our downfall.
But a hefty wager on 26 Leinster and all Ireland success might be the best investment anyone could make
Quote from: Dunneroyal on June 21, 2025, 03:48:50 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 21, 2025, 02:29:54 AMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 20, 2025, 09:24:35 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on June 19, 2025, 10:28:07 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 19, 2025, 10:25:21 PMQuote from: screenexile on June 19, 2025, 07:28:54 PMKerry, Tyrone, Mayo and Derry would beat Meath or Monaghan!
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Kerry couldn't six days ago.
Because they didn't need to. I was at the Leinster final, great occasion and an exciting game between two very average teams. In knockout they won't live with Kerry, Dublin, Armagh, Galway...
Haha. Yeah think you need to go to specsavers. Meath would easily beat Kerry again. And Dublin too. Actually I don't see one team in last 12 who Meath would be worried about.
We won't win it for the reason that we are too inexperienced. But easily the toughest team left in it
I think Meath would give us a game, but full out they couldn't live with Rian, Ross and Conaty plus Soupy and co off the bench. Think they have the players to hurt us but we've enough dog about us to beat them.
That would be my view. As in Duke, kinsella , morris , Costello and frayne they need a little bit of time. They are probably the best players we have had since 01, I could see any of them rival anything that there was under Boylan. However we have weaknesses elsewhere, particularly with our 3 first choice midfielders missing and depending on a mid 30 veteran. Missing 4/5 certain starters including number 2/3 top scorers this year, it's a huge ask. However I don't see one team bothering us that much. I think inexperience and above all a lack of cuteness will be our downfall.
But a hefty wager on 26 Leinster and all Ireland success might be the best investment anyone could make
"I could see any of them rival anything that there was under Boylan."
That is hyperbole. Boylan's teams won multiple all Irelands. The current team hasn't won anything. It is only a few weeks since the Leinster final. I can't remember who won that.
Quote from: seafoid on June 21, 2025, 07:00:07 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 21, 2025, 03:48:50 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 21, 2025, 02:29:54 AMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 20, 2025, 09:24:35 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on June 19, 2025, 10:28:07 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 19, 2025, 10:25:21 PMQuote from: screenexile on June 19, 2025, 07:28:54 PMKerry, Tyrone, Mayo and Derry would beat Meath or Monaghan!
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Kerry couldn't six days ago.
Because they didn't need to. I was at the Leinster final, great occasion and an exciting game between two very average teams. In knockout they won't live with Kerry, Dublin, Armagh, Galway...
Haha. Yeah think you need to go to specsavers. Meath would easily beat Kerry again. And Dublin too. Actually I don't see one team in last 12 who Meath would be worried about.
We won't win it for the reason that we are too inexperienced. But easily the toughest team left in it
I think Meath would give us a game, but full out they couldn't live with Rian, Ross and Conaty plus Soupy and co off the bench. Think they have the players to hurt us but we've enough dog about us to beat them.
That would be my view. As in Duke, kinsella , morris , Costello and frayne they need a little bit of time. They are probably the best players we have had since 01, I could see any of them rival anything that there was under Boylan. However we have weaknesses elsewhere, particularly with our 3 first choice midfielders missing and depending on a mid 30 veteran. Missing 4/5 certain starters including number 2/3 top scorers this year, it's a huge ask. However I don't see one team bothering us that much. I think inexperience and above all a lack of cuteness will be our downfall.
But a hefty wager on 26 Leinster and all Ireland success might be the best investment anyone could make
"I could see any of them rival anything that there was under Boylan."
That is hyperbole. Boylan's teams won multiple all Irelands. The current team hasn't won anything. It is only a few weeks since the Leinster final. I can't remember who won that.
it was also a lost Leinster final by 10 points against Dublin in 95. Now without google tell me who won the Leinster and all ire the following year. ?
Meath won Leinster in 2010. Tell me what happened the next year . What would be a good result for Meath this year? A quarter final or a semi final?
Quote from: seafoid on June 21, 2025, 09:18:02 PMMeath won Leinster in 2010. Tell me what happened the next year . What would be a good result for Meath this year? A quarter final or a semi final?
2010 was a weird year. Didn't really capitalise on it. Got rid of the manager for banty then got in a worse fella. A lost generation of players.
This year ? Well we already in quarters beat both Dublin and Kerry but some critical players lost to injuries has I think hampered us. Particularly the Leinster final. Even now missing 5 certain starters is a problem. So in that instance it's already been a successful year. There's no doubt we are back. We have a fantastic management team who are all proven winners. I think they will give us one more big day out and get to semi finals and in doing so ensure that Donal keoghan gets his well deserved and long overdue all star . And perhaps kinsella getting ypoty. But there is talk that to ensure donals overdose all star they have to reach semis and I believe they will do that.
Quote from: Mario on June 21, 2025, 12:59:54 PMI think Derry and Tyrone underage teams are closer than the recent record suggests. We were the better side v Tyrone u20s last year in Ulster final but got beat on pens. A couple of years ago McEvoy and Lachlan Murray werent allowed to played by RG.
As for the senior team, Tyrone have outperformed us this year. They had an early preseason and hit the ground running (but still got relegated). I still think our best team beats Tyrone's as they have done in most games in the past few years.
Those deluded Tyrone ones are only winning all those all Ireland titles because Derry weren't at their best. Even though Derry haven't won a game of football this year and that Tyrone team is full of all Ireland winners the best Derry team beats them 🙄.
That Tyrone team has been full of All Ireland winners* the past 4 years and have only beat Derry once in that time!
Quote from: screenexile on June 22, 2025, 02:46:28 PMThat Tyrone team has been full of All Ireland winners* the past 4 years and have only beat Derry once in that time!
And another Tyrone team into an All Ireland final... name on the cup that counts 🏆
Of those left:
1. Armagh
2. Donegal
3. Galway
4. Dublin
5. Kerry
6. Tyrone
7. Monaghan
8. Meath
Quote from: ONeill on June 22, 2025, 10:02:27 PMOf those left:
1. Armagh
2. Donegal
3. Galway
4. Dublin
5. Kerry
6. Tyrone
7. Monaghan
8. Meath
1. Armagh
2. Galway, Kerry(with 1-2 injured men back)
3. The rest.
Quote from: ONeill on June 22, 2025, 10:02:27 PMOf those left:
1. Armagh
2. Donegal
3. Galway
4. Dublin
5. Kerry
6. Tyrone
7. Monaghan
8. Meath
Quote from: trileacman on June 22, 2025, 10:08:22 PMQuote from: ONeill on June 22, 2025, 10:02:27 PMOf those left:
1. Armagh
2. Donegal
3. Galway
4. Dublin
5. Kerry
6. Tyrone
7. Monaghan
8. Meath
1. Armagh
2. Galway, Kerry(with 1-2 injured men back)
3. The rest.
Stop with the cute hoorism. Will be 4 evenly matched quarter finals no matter the draw.
An aul 2 point win over Down doing some heavy lifting.
Armagh only bate them by the one last year.
How are Kerry 5th then? They drew with Armagh.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 22, 2025, 10:11:50 PMQuote from: ONeill on June 22, 2025, 10:02:27 PMOf those left:
1. Armagh
2. Donegal
3. Galway
4. Dublin
5. Kerry
6. Tyrone
7. Monaghan
8. Meath
Quote from: trileacman on June 22, 2025, 10:08:22 PMQuote from: ONeill on June 22, 2025, 10:02:27 PMOf those left:
1. Armagh
2. Donegal
3. Galway
4. Dublin
5. Kerry
6. Tyrone
7. Monaghan
8. Meath
1. Armagh
2. Galway, Kerry(with 1-2 injured men back)
3. The rest.
Stop with the cute hoorism. Will be 4 evenly matched quarter finals no matter the draw.
Thought Galway had a good league, were unbeaten until the group stages and have an excellent squad with some serious attacking talent. Dublin result was a killer but all the provincial winners seem to drop off that day. I feel Galway are better team than they've shown.
I wouldn't be writing home about Tyrone, Monaghan or Donegal. Donegal are grand when their tactics work to perfection but they don't have enough natural forwards to conjure up something special. It's 14 years since Murphy and McBearty won that AI, if you haven't found 2 players in those 14 years to replace them you're in a bit of bother. Likewise Monaghan are entirely reliant on Bannigan to lead the line, once a top level team closes him out, they'll struggle.
QFS will probably be close but I fear that's related moreso to the ease to which the underdog can drag his way back into games (as today showed) with the new rules.
It'll be interesting how the schedule hurts Galway. The games v Derry, Armagh and Down today were full pelt.
1. Meath
2. All the rest.
I would have it like this:
1. Donegal
2. Kerry
3. Armagh
4. Tyrone
5. Galway
6. Meath
7. Dublin
8. Monaghan
But with the caveat that any one of them could beat the other in a one of match the margins between them are that thin
I went with:
Armagh
Dublin
Donegal
Kerry
Galway
Tyrone
Meath
Monaghan
Brutally honest I think Armagh are one, 2-6 could toss a coin and then not much between Meath and Monaghan.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on June 23, 2025, 06:50:00 AM1. Meath
2. All the rest.
And that concludes Power Rankings for 2025..thanks to everyone who contributed
Updated power rankings after an emotional weekend of football.
1. Kerry
2. Donegal
3. Tyrone
4. Armagh
5. Meath
6. Dublin
7. Galway
8. Monaghan
9. Mayo
10. Derry
11. Down
12. Cork
13. Louth
14. Roscommon
15. Kildare
16. Cavan
17. Offaly
18. Fermanagh
19. Clare
20. Westmeath
21. Sligo
22. Limerick
23. Wicklow
24. Laois
25. Wexford
26. Carlow
27. Antrim
28. Leitrim
29. Longford
30. Tipperary
31. London
32. Waterford
33. New York
For me the last 4 would be
Donegal
Kerry
Meath
Tyrone