Diddnt know where to put this. Sight seeing sub goes missing
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-65953941
Crazy, you'd think it would have some sort of tracker on it, on the news they had no signal for over 7 hours!
That'll put paid to that 'sightseeing' tour. People have too much money to be doing stuff like that
Was it made in Harland and Wolff from dodgy rivets?
Quote from: armaghniac on June 19, 2023, 08:39:10 PM
Was it made in Harland and Wolff from dodgy rivets?
It was alright when it left Belfast
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 19, 2023, 08:42:57 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 19, 2023, 08:39:10 PM
Was it made in Harland and Wolff from dodgy rivets?
It was alright when it left Belfast
Built by Irishmen, sunk by an Englishman.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 19, 2023, 07:54:20 PM
Crazy, you'd think it would have some sort of tracker on it, on the news they had no signal for over 7 hours!
That'll put paid to that 'sightseeing' tour. People have too much money to be doing stuff like that
You'd have to be a right ghoul to go on one of those tours.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 19, 2023, 07:54:20 PM
Crazy, you'd think it would have some sort of tracker on it, on the news they had no signal for over 7 hours!
That'll put paid to that 'sightseeing' tour. People have too much money to be doing stuff like that
Indeed, sounds like a catastrophic failure given how it just disappeared. If it's still intact, they've 96hrs oxygen supply, doesn't bare thinking about the conditions, sitting on the ocean floor waiting for it to run out.
Quote from: clarshack on June 19, 2023, 11:17:42 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 19, 2023, 07:54:20 PM
Crazy, you'd think it would have some sort of tracker on it, on the news they had no signal for over 7 hours!
That'll put paid to that 'sightseeing' tour. People have too much money to be doing stuff like that
You'd have to be a right ghoul to go on one of those tours.
$250k a ticket too which I suppose is pocket change to the people on it.
96 hour countdown on your life stuck in that thing. What a way to go.
I'd have been asking some fast serious questions the second I seen the ps4 controller being used for navigation!!
Quote from: Abble on June 20, 2023, 11:03:07 AM
I'd have been asking some fast serious questions the second I seen the ps4 controller being used for navigation!!
Yep, should have been a PS5 controller
Quote from: balladmaker on June 20, 2023, 09:11:14 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 19, 2023, 07:54:20 PM
Crazy, you'd think it would have some sort of tracker on it, on the news they had no signal for over 7 hours!
That'll put paid to that 'sightseeing' tour. People have too much money to be doing stuff like that
Indeed, sounds like a catastrophic failure given how it just disappeared. If it's still intact, they've 96hrs oxygen supply, doesn't bare thinking about the conditions, sitting on the ocean floor waiting for it to run out.
In all likelihood they were goners the moment contact was lost. Horrific.
Quote from: Saffrongael on June 20, 2023, 11:15:04 AM
Quote from: Abble on June 20, 2023, 11:03:07 AM
I'd have been asking some fast serious questions the second I seen the ps4 controller being used for navigation!!
Yep, should have been a PS5 controller
I thought that was a pisstake until I saw the video of the submarine/tube and whilst it's an off the shelf logitech games controller and other improvised items are used, I wouldn't want to be going 2.5 miles down in it...
It is a worry when you see a games controller, flip side is they managed to send men to the moon with pretty basic tech by today's standards although I wouldnt fancy space tourism either. All seems a rather unnecessary risk for these wealthy guys.
What maritime or government agency approved this sub? What testing has it undergone? It's like a technology project from school. Even if they find it on the bottom of the ocean there's no way to go and get it. Best hope is that it is bobbing up and down on the surface.... and they can't get out cause it is sealed from the outside... f**k me like.
This guy reckons they are goners already. Nothing the Navy can do.
https://twitter.com/JesseBWatters/status/1670958639874560000?s=20
Read somewhere that if they were above water they could use radio the contact. Sub can only be opened from outside. And if thry could get out the pressure would crush them. Horrible way to go. Hopefully they will be found alive and rescued. But they could be lost forever, like that Malaysia flight.
Moderator why do you delete my comment saying that the ship was built by Ulster loyalists when this is fact? Maybe you haven't researched the ships history moderator? Anyway you won't see me posting on this forum again after that style of underhand moderation.
Quote from: DhoireTheas on June 20, 2023, 06:06:52 PM
Moderator why do you delete my comment saying that the ship was built by Ulster loyalists when this is fact? Maybe you haven't researched the ships history moderator? Anyway you won't see me posting on this forum again after that style of underhand moderation.
Make your point without throwing insults, please.
Crazy that it has no tracker or system to keep it in contact with others. You'd think, in 2023, thst this would be standard.
For all the money spent on it and it doesn't even have this is madness. Who passes a yoke like this anyway?
First goings off I thought the same. Turns out GPS doesn't really work that great or not at all at nearly 4km under the water. This is like going up Everest, you are taking a massive risk and if something goes wrong it's unlikely you will be able to be rescued. Humans have always pushed the boundaries, I think these explorers/tourists are getting a bit of unfair criticism.
Quote from: marty34 on June 20, 2023, 06:26:17 PM
Crazy that it has no tracker or system to keep it in contact with others. You'd think, in 2023, thst this would be standard.
For all the money spent on it and it doesn't even have this is madness. Who passes a yoke like this anyway?
Apparently, contact with a vessel 4000m under the ocean is rather challenging as radio etc does not work.
Quote from: DhoireTheas on June 20, 2023, 06:06:52 PM
Moderator why do you delete my comment saying that the ship was built by Ulster loyalists when this is fact? Maybe you haven't researched the ships history moderator? Anyway you won't see me posting on this forum again after that style of underhand moderation.
Plenty Catholics worked in the yard, maybe you haven't researched your history
Sad and horrific. Looking at the size of that thing, you couldn't pay me to get into it, never mind paying 250,000 for the privilege to be packed in with 5 others at the bottom of the ocean. I hope somehow they can be rescued.
https://www.npr.org/2023/06/20/1183167120/titanic-submarine-hamish-harding
https://twitter.com/CBSMornings/status/1671137888426139649
Quote from: Top G on June 20, 2023, 10:46:51 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 20, 2023, 12:36:27 PM
What maritime or government agency approved this sub? What testing has it undergone? It's like a technology project from school. Even if they find it on the bottom of the ocean there's no way to go and get it. Best hope is that it is bobbing up and down on the surface.... and they can't get out cause it is sealed from the outside... f**k me like.
Why would something in international waters need approval?
"Something" generally would
An IMO registration certificate usually
Especially if it carrying fee-paying passengers
Though the area of underwater exploration vessels is a bit greyer in terms of the requirements
Periodic banging noises have been detect, every 30mins apparently
I bet the film script has been written already, just waiting on the ending
Quote from: smort on June 21, 2023, 08:14:53 AM
Periodic banging noises have been detect, every 30mins apparently
I bet the film script has been written already, just waiting on the ending
Just thinking that when I heard the news on way to work!!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 21, 2023, 08:18:24 AM
Quote from: smort on June 21, 2023, 08:14:53 AM
Periodic banging noises have been detect, every 30mins apparently
I bet the film script has been written already, just waiting on the ending
Just thinking that when I heard the news on way to work!!
That's another Oscar for Tom Hanks, no doubt
Quote from: smort on June 21, 2023, 08:14:53 AM
Periodic banging noises have been detect, every 30mins apparently
I bet the film script has been written already, just waiting on the ending
TITAN (2027)
Starring Tom Hanks
Directed by James Cameron
Didn't see the rush to the Mediterranean Sea by the worlds navy's and undersea experts last week when 500 plus were lost. But they only immigrants and not billionaires.
Quote from: pbat on June 21, 2023, 10:15:00 AM
Didn't see the rush to the Mediterranean Sea by the worlds navy's and undersea experts last week when 500 plus were lost. But they only immigrants and not billionaires.
Well there was nobody to save 3 days later, which isn't the case here.
It was also all over the news at the time.
Supposedly the company CEO, who is the pilot on this particular, possibly doomed, dive, has a history of whining about safety regulations and certification "hindering" innovation. The viewing portal was supposedly only certified to operate to a depth of 1300m, not the 4000m the Titanic lies at. Doesn't sound like this vessel was independently assessed at all.
Even if he makes it out, between the law suits and the charges to the tax payers of various countries, his company is done.
Quote from: J70 on June 21, 2023, 12:50:03 PM
Supposedly the company CEO, who is the pilot on this particular, possibly doomed, dive, has a history of whining about safety regulations and certification "hindering" innovation. The viewing portal was supposedly only certified to operate to a depth of 1300m, not the 4000m the Titanic lies at. Doesn't sound like this vessel was independently assessed at all.
Even if he makes it out, between the law suits and the charges to the tax payers of various countries, his company is done.
watched the first 15 mins of the 1997 Titanic film last night as I remembered they went down in submersibles at the beginning of the film. Bill Paxton's character said that if the 9 inch thick windows were to go in the submersible it would be sayonara in two micro-seconds.
Any hint of foul play here?
I mean , a handful of billionaires in the same sub? Everybody vknows you don't put all your main/valuable men on the same plane. I mean , Bono flies separately from the rest of u2 I hear. Although maybe the other 3 insist on that arrangement , as he's a knobhead
Quote from: J70 on June 21, 2023, 12:50:03 PM
Supposedly the company CEO, who is the pilot on this particular, possibly doomed, dive, has a history of whining about safety regulations and certification "hindering" innovation. The viewing portal was supposedly only certified to operate to a depth of 1300m, not the 4000m the Titanic lies at. Doesn't sound like this vessel was independently assessed at all.
Even if he makes it out, between the law suits and the charges to the tax payers of various countries, his company is done.
The rescue involves vessels from Canada, the US, France and the UK as well as private operators. Imagine how much it has cost to date.
This will probably destroy the company which never wanted to be certified. I doubt any claims would be paid.
I see the stepson of one of the men is taking it well anyway. Made sure he didn't miss a concert anyway.
https://www.tmz.com/2023/06/20/titanic-titan-submersible-rescue-mission-blink-182-concert/
Quote from: square_ball on June 21, 2023, 02:19:40 PM
I see the stepson of one of the men is taking it well anyway. Made sure he didn't miss a concert anyway.
https://www.tmz.com/2023/06/20/titanic-titan-submersible-rescue-mission-blink-182-concert/
It could be a case the step father said don't waste your time one me you're already the voice inside my head......
JohnDenver does Blink182 - things you didnt think youd see on the gaaboard today
Quote from: pbat on June 21, 2023, 10:15:00 AM
Didn't see the rush to the Mediterranean Sea by the worlds navy's and undersea experts last week when 500 plus were lost. But they only immigrants and not billionaires.
No time machines yet boss.
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 21, 2023, 01:43:09 PM
Any hint of foul play here?
I mean , a handful of billionaires in the same sub? Everybody vknows you don't put all your main/valuable men on the same plane. I mean , Bono flies separately from the rest of u2 I hear. Although maybe the other 3 insist on that arrangement , as he's a knobhead
Couldn't see it. It'd be a bit of a roundabout way to bump someone off, worthy of a Bond villain planning an amusing death for 007.
The internet's having a bit of fun with this today. Interesting how little sympathy there is for the people who're probably dead or dying. Could be the guillotine mentality coming out in a climate of wealth inequality.
Have been following this all day. Felt ashamed earlier when I realised that I know the names and background of all 5 of these men and not a single thing about any of the 500 migrants who were involved in the recent sinking. Some people will try to blame the media for that but in reality it's my fault.
Quote from: trileacman on June 21, 2023, 10:05:22 PM
Have been following this all day. Felt ashamed earlier when I realised that I know the names and background of all 5 of these men and not a single thing about any of the 500 migrants who were involved in the recent sinking. Some people will try to blame the media for that but in reality it's my fault.
Yeah, get researching!
The migrants on the boat would probably not tell you who they are even if you were an immigration officer.
Especially if you were an immigration officer.
How long until the movie comes out? Is it going to have a happy or tragic ending?
Quote from: Top G on June 22, 2023, 08:52:24 AM
I wonder what is going on in that submarine
Do they know how much oxygen they have left?
Are they wondering why nobody is looking for them / found them?
Has there been any disputes involving rations?
The only rations you'd be concerned with is oxygen!!
If at the bottom of the sea it will be freezing
The worst would be if it was on the surface and they had no way of opening the hatch, as it can be only opened from the outside!
There is an explorer on board who'll know what will happen, so no doubt those on board will be conserving as much energy as they can
They might never be found
Some "expert" on the news said they need to rest and conserve energy, even restrict talking, in the next breath he said they need to be banging like f**k on the submersible to make noise
I see Britain were still loading their mini submarine on a plane this morning. Not sure how much help that is going to be as it ain't getting there on time
Am I right in reading that there is no machine nor team in the world capable of lifting/ retrieving/ rescuing the vehicle if on the seabed at that depth?
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on June 22, 2023, 10:25:31 AM
Am I right in reading that there is no machine nor team in the world capable of lifting/ retrieving/ rescuing the vehicle if on the seabed at that depth?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60607784
That Fighter Jet was recovered from a similar depth.
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on June 22, 2023, 10:25:31 AM
Am I right in reading that there is no machine nor team in the world capable of lifting/ retrieving/ rescuing the vehicle if on the seabed at that depth?
No.
They have to find it but if they do they can attach a rope to it with a remote vehicle and pull it up. That is easier than finding it.
must be horrible sitting there waiting to die, while still holding out of some sort of miracle.
Listening to expert on news saying likelihood of 'banging' noises being the submersible a million to one, as so many sounds come from the depths. I've a feeling these guys died days ago when communication was lost due to catastrophic failure of the hull under that pressure. Death would have been in blink of an eye. Hope I'm wrong, hope they're rescued. But can't help feel uncomfortable at all that has been thrown at this after events last week off Greece. Humanity is in one shit state.
Quote from: red hander on June 22, 2023, 01:39:45 PM
Listening to expert on news saying likelihood of 'banging' noises being the submersible a million to one, as so many sounds come from the depths. I've a feeling these guys died days ago when communication was lost due to catastrophic failure of the hull under that pressure. Death would have been in blink of an eye. Hope I'm wrong, hope they're rescued. But can't help feel uncomfortable at all that has been thrown at this after events last week off Greece. Humanity is in one shit state.
Was thinking that when doing my post, how many thousands upon thounds of people are waiting to die from starvation and waiting on international help?
Quote from: red hander on June 22, 2023, 01:39:45 PM
I've a feeling these guys died days ago when communication was lost due to catastrophic failure of the hull under that pressure. Death would have been in blink of an eye. Hope I'm wrong, hope they're rescued.
I suspect the same - and I hope you're right about death being in the blink of an eye. Sitting in that yoke for days trying to conserve air would be just hellish.
What has happened in Greece has been happening for years and no one is actually that worried about it, cause more deaths are around the corner, for most parts the same people giving off about it wouldn't want a refugee living next door to the or up the street from them.. Probably complaining about too many immigrants
If you (not your per-se, but in general) are really feeling uncomfortable about it then take someone in from Syria or give a chunk of money to support groups. We are all good at having an opinion on something but not really willing to do something about it.
Watched The Swimmers the other day, by christ, if half that story is close to being real then we've nowt to complain about for the rest of our lives
NY Times podcast this morning reckons it could have been part of the Titanic itself collapsing on top of them and trapping them. Apparently it is in such a fragile, corroded state that that is a very real risk. Which would make you wonder why any manned vehicle would go inside the wreck?
Surely if comms where down they would consolidate their position and not try and enter the wreck. Sounds like a mad theory.
Some of the commentary round this is revealing as to the mindset of some and the everything has to be some way a conspiracy theory.
From looking on Twitter, some of the reasoning been discussed:
Billionaires paid millions to fake their own deaths.
Who was onboard and what did they know that made the west/Gates/Soros/deep state get rid of them in a planned sabotage.
What did they stumble upon that resulted them in been taken out....something something Nord stream pipeline.
Was there even a sub in first place and this a false flag towards further attacks on Russia and increased security budgets.
People have far too time in their hands.
Quote from: burdizzo on June 22, 2023, 01:46:57 PM
Quote from: red hander on June 22, 2023, 01:39:45 PM
I've a feeling these guys died days ago when communication was lost due to catastrophic failure of the hull under that pressure. Death would have been in blink of an eye. Hope I'm wrong, hope they're rescued.
I suspect the same - and I hope you're right about death being in the blink of an eye. Sitting in that yoke for days trying to conserve air would be just hellish.
One thing that doesn't make sense is that contact was lost about halfway down but they didn't resurface by dropping the weights. Does this mean they died on Sunday ?
Quote from: Louther on June 22, 2023, 02:11:34 PM
Some of the commentary round this is revealing as to the mindset of some and the everything has to be some way a conspiracy theory.
From looking on Twitter, some of the reasoning been discussed:
Billionaires paid millions to fake their own deaths.
Who was onboard and what did they know that made the west/Gates/Soros/deep state get rid of them in a planned sabotage.
What did they stumble upon that resulted them in been taken out....something something Nord stream pipeline.
Was there even a sub in first place and this a false flag towards further attacks on Russia and increased security budgets.
People have far too time in their hands.
These people walk amongst us.
Quote from: Louther on June 22, 2023, 02:11:34 PM
Some of the commentary round this is revealing as to the mindset of some and the everything has to be some way a conspiracy theory.
From looking on Twitter, some of the reasoning been discussed:
Billionaires paid millions to fake their own deaths.
Who was onboard and what did they know that made the west/Gates/Soros/deep state get rid of them in a planned sabotage.
What did they stumble upon that resulted them in been taken out....something something Nord stream pipeline.
Was there even a sub in first place and this a false flag towards further attacks on Russia and increased security budgets.
People have far too time in their hands.
This is the problem with society today!
Had a look there. Such a load of auld nonsense...
Finland not existing is still my favourite conspiracy theory.
Quote from: rrhf on June 22, 2023, 02:44:33 PM
Had a look there.
You'll hardly find them if the worlds best can't... :-X
Quote from: gawa316 on June 22, 2023, 03:00:00 PM
Quote from: rrhf on June 22, 2023, 02:44:33 PM
Had a look there.
You'll hardly find them if the worlds best can't... :-X
shouldnt be lol but am...
Debris field found. Probably happened when they lost contact
Well that's that.
Quote from: trailer on June 22, 2023, 02:37:40 PM
These people walk amongst us.
Go to the social media comments on anything posted by NASA. Everything is fake, nothing is real. The number of people who say this crap is astounding.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on June 22, 2023, 05:32:06 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 22, 2023, 02:37:40 PM
These people walk amongst us.
Go to the social media comments on anything posted by NASA. Everything is fake, nothing is real. The number of people who say this crap is astounding.
I cant remember the % of Americans who think the moon landing was fake but its huge.
Not looking good
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 22, 2023, 05:41:06 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on June 22, 2023, 05:32:06 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 22, 2023, 02:37:40 PM
These people walk amongst us.
Go to the social media comments on anything posted by NASA. Everything is fake, nothing is real. The number of people who say this crap is astounding.
I cant remember the % of Americans who think the moon landing was fake but its huge.
Probabaly growing too. Logic and critical thinking is not a strong point amongst a large part of the American populace.
Those in the craft now share the fate of most of the passengers on the Titanic. Apparently, one of the passengers had an ancestor on the Titanic.
Reminds me of Steve Fossett, they were a full year searching for his body and i think all they found was a few bone fragments.
What happens a body exposed to that pressure so quickly. Would there be anything left of them? Terrible tragedy but in one way a better way to go than waiting for days for the end.
Quote from: WT4E on June 22, 2023, 08:33:44 PM
What happens a body exposed to that pressure so quickly. Would there be anything left of them? Terrible tragedy but in one way a better way to go than waiting for days for the end.
Think I heard the pressure down there is 3 tonnes psi.
At least it was extremely quick.
Had this expedition been successfully completed by The Titan before?
Quote from: WT4E on June 22, 2023, 08:33:44 PM
What happens a body exposed to that pressure so quickly. Would there be anything left of them? Terrible tragedy but in one way a better way to go than waiting for days for the end.
They'll have been vapourised when the internal air was exposed to the external pressure.
Suppose the silver lining is- they won't have known or felt a thing, from the initial crack till the end, it'll all have been over in milliseconds.
https://twitter.com/thepakwolf/status/1671956820208877578?s=46&t=zMI0pHqP8aYtYYerofczvg
Here's a demo of what would have happened. Apparently they wouldn't have felt a thing it would have happened so quickly
They were saying on the news last night that the shape of Titan compared to other submersibles could have been a design flaw as the pressure wouldn't have been distributed around it evenly.
Wait till private space tourism takes off. Think of how many shuttle missions there were and the fact that two ended catastrophically. This stuff is inherently dangerous.
Quote from: Mourne Red on June 22, 2023, 09:26:34 PM
https://twitter.com/thepakwolf/status/1671956820208877578?s=46&t=zMI0pHqP8aYtYYerofczvg
Here's a demo of what would have happened. Apparently they wouldn't have felt a thing it would have happened so quickly
:o
Quote from: clarshack on June 22, 2023, 09:27:35 PM
They were saying on the news last night that the shape of Titan compared to other submersibles could have been a design flaw as the pressure wouldn't have been distributed around it evenly.
Its definitely a design compromise. You get more useable internal volume in a capped cylinder than you do in a pure sphere.
Its only a flaw if the designers didn't account for the various stress concentrations that arise from that compromise. Which I'd be very surprised if they didn't think they were doing that right - its pretty basic.
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on June 22, 2023, 09:31:18 PM
Quote from: clarshack on June 22, 2023, 09:27:35 PM
They were saying on the news last night that the shape of Titan compared to other submersibles could have been a design flaw as the pressure wouldn't have been distributed around it evenly.
Its definitely a design compromise. You get more useable internal volume in a capped cylinder than you do in a pure sphere.
Its only a flaw if the designers didn't account for the various stress concentrations that arise from that compromise. Which I'd be very surprised if they didn't think they were doing that right - its pretty basic.
I presume this yoke would have been used a few times before?
Quote from: marty34 on June 22, 2023, 09:57:56 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on June 22, 2023, 09:31:18 PM
Quote from: clarshack on June 22, 2023, 09:27:35 PM
They were saying on the news last night that the shape of Titan compared to other submersibles could have been a design flaw as the pressure wouldn't have been distributed around it evenly.
Its definitely a design compromise. You get more useable internal volume in a capped cylinder than you do in a pure sphere.
Its only a flaw if the designers didn't account for the various stress concentrations that arise from that compromise. Which I'd be very surprised if they didn't think they were doing that right - its pretty basic.
I presume this yoke would have been used a few times before?
Think I saw around 20 dives mentioned.
Each one is going to put stress on the hull with the pressurizations and depressurizations. They learned a lot about planes in the early jet age with this issue -look up the DeHavilland Comet.
Supposedly this company bypassed the certification process, which requires periodic dismantling, rebuilding and testing to maintain seaworthiness certs.
https://twitter.com/mhdksafa/status/1671871512901459969?t=_vqDCM7zer29ni7DmbnCqQ&s=19
Quote from: Itchy on June 22, 2023, 10:43:32 PM
https://twitter.com/mhdksafa/status/1671871512901459969?t=_vqDCM7zer29ni7DmbnCqQ&s=19
Well I hope you donated on that link to help these people
Quote from: Itchy on June 22, 2023, 10:43:32 PM
https://twitter.com/mhdksafa/status/1671871512901459969?t=_vqDCM7zer29ni7DmbnCqQ&s=19
Itchy offended ?? Never ::)
Quote from: Itchy on June 22, 2023, 10:43:32 PM
https://twitter.com/mhdksafa/status/1671871512901459969?t=_vqDCM7zer29ni7DmbnCqQ&s=19
A bit disingenuous that post at the same time. To be fair to the Mediterranean countries they spend several billion euros every year patrolling the Med and dealing with refugees. The cost of this search so far is probably only a few million. Mostly it was craft already stationed in the area, predominantly Canadian coast guard.
Quote from: Itchy on June 22, 2023, 10:43:32 PM
https://twitter.com/mhdksafa/status/1671871512901459969?t=_vqDCM7zer29ni7DmbnCqQ&s=19
Had the refugees on the boat went through an are they alive/not alive mystery for 4 days then it would have been bigger news.
This was Apollo 13 underwater.
Quote from: Saffrongael on June 22, 2023, 10:50:40 PM
Quote from: Itchy on June 22, 2023, 10:43:32 PM
https://twitter.com/mhdksafa/status/1671871512901459969?t=_vqDCM7zer29ni7DmbnCqQ&s=19
Itchy offended ?? Never ::)
Why would I be offended you sad little man?
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 22, 2023, 11:00:27 PM
Quote from: Itchy on June 22, 2023, 10:43:32 PM
https://twitter.com/mhdksafa/status/1671871512901459969?t=_vqDCM7zer29ni7DmbnCqQ&s=19
Had the refugees on the boat went through a they alive/not alive for 4 days then it would have been bigger news.
This was Apollo 13 underwater.
The point is no one it seems cares that over 1000 humans perished in our seas while every is glued to their screens and 4 f**king eejits with more money than sense.
Of course, people with money are less important than people with no money. Makes sense :-\
Quote from: Itchy on June 22, 2023, 11:02:19 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 22, 2023, 11:00:27 PM
Quote from: Itchy on June 22, 2023, 10:43:32 PM
https://twitter.com/mhdksafa/status/1671871512901459969?t=_vqDCM7zer29ni7DmbnCqQ&s=19
Had the refugees on the boat went through a they alive/not alive for 4 days then it would have been bigger news.
This was Apollo 13 underwater.
The point is no one it seems cares that over 1000 humans perished in our seas while every is glued to their screens and 4 f**king eejits with more money than sense.
No, the point was one dragged on for 4 days and had an air of mystery that left people wondering what happened or if they would ever be found. Media are able to milk something like that for all its worth. I saw an American channel even ran an "hours of oxygen left" banner...
Remember the Chilean miners? They were working class men but it was global news because it ran on and on. It is nothing to do with how rich the people involved are.
Quote from: Itchy on June 22, 2023, 11:02:19 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 22, 2023, 11:00:27 PM
Quote from: Itchy on June 22, 2023, 10:43:32 PM
https://twitter.com/mhdksafa/status/1671871512901459969?t=_vqDCM7zer29ni7DmbnCqQ&s=19
Had the refugees on the boat went through a they alive/not alive for 4 days then it would have been bigger news.
This was Apollo 13 underwater.
The point is no one it seems cares that over 1000 humans perished in our seas while every is glued to their screens and 4 f**king eejits with more money than sense.
Is there not an element of that (and I realise I'm paraphrasing Josef Stalin here) that you kill 5 people it's a tragedy you kill 1000 it's a statistic.
Also as humans we can probably understand and relate better to smaller numbers. There's a relatively low number it's around 7k (can't remember exactly what it is) after which your brain struggles to recognise the significance of your spending. So you say pay 5k for something it's harder than paying 250k for say a house.
Quote from: Itchy on June 22, 2023, 11:02:19 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 22, 2023, 11:00:27 PM
Quote from: Itchy on June 22, 2023, 10:43:32 PM
https://twitter.com/mhdksafa/status/1671871512901459969?t=_vqDCM7zer29ni7DmbnCqQ&s=19
Had the refugees on the boat went through a they alive/not alive for 4 days then it would have been bigger news.
This was Apollo 13 underwater.
The point is no one it seems cares that over 1000 humans perished in our seas while every is glued to their screens and 4 f**king eejits with more money than sense.
Of course people care and nobody wants to see anyone drown out at sea but at the same time the Titanic story from 1912 was, is and will always be box office and that's why it has gathered a lot of interest.
If the migrants were in a position that they had 3 or 4 days to be saved out at sea then that would have been all over the news too.
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 22, 2023, 11:00:27 PM
Quote from: Itchy on June 22, 2023, 10:43:32 PM
https://twitter.com/mhdksafa/status/1671871512901459969?t=_vqDCM7zer29ni7DmbnCqQ&s=19
Had the refugees on the boat went through an are they alive/not alive mystery for 4 days then it would have been bigger news.
This was Apollo 13 underwater.
Thai cave rescue, another example of non-millionaires attracting media attention and huge amount of rescue teams.
Quote from: David McKeown on June 22, 2023, 11:33:53 PM
Quote from: Itchy on June 22, 2023, 11:02:19 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 22, 2023, 11:00:27 PM
Quote from: Itchy on June 22, 2023, 10:43:32 PM
https://twitter.com/mhdksafa/status/1671871512901459969?t=_vqDCM7zer29ni7DmbnCqQ&s=19
Had the refugees on the boat went through a they alive/not alive for 4 days then it would have been bigger news.
This was Apollo 13 underwater.
The point is no one it seems cares that over 1000 humans perished in our seas while every is glued to their screens and 4 f**king eejits with more money than sense.
Is there not an element of that (and I realise I'm paraphrasing Josef Stalin here) that you kill 5 people it's a tragedy you kill 1000 it's a statistic.
Also as humans we can probably understand and relate better to smaller numbers. There's a relatively low number it's around 7k (can't remember exactly what it is) after which your brain struggles to recognise the significance of your spending. So you say pay 5k for something it's harder than paying 250k for say a house.
That's a really clever post.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2023, 11:06:34 PM
Of course, people with money are less important than people with no money. Makes sense :-\
No. But they are not more important than people with no money,. Wise the f**k up.
Quote from: red hander on June 23, 2023, 01:48:56 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2023, 11:06:34 PM
Of course, people with money are less important than people with no money. Makes sense :-\
No. But they are not more important than people with no money,. Wise the f**k up.
You've got the wrong end of the stick, not surprising though
I think the difference in the deaths of hundreds in the med and the missing submarine is voyeurism. It's humans desire to be involved in real time events, be it a spectator or as a commentator.
The drownings in the med are tragic, and there should be conversations round these. But generally we hear about these after they happened. As harsh as it sounds, it's done, game over, nothing to see or do. Feel sad about it but we don't like or want to feel sad. Others will have different thoughts that is a whole other discussion.
Hearing of a missing sub is a story. It's a real life drama, throw in everything about it - the titantic, billionaires, survivial mission etc and we are all engaged, we are spectators. It's a discussion round the water cooler or in the canteen or coffee shop. It's a race for information and to be the first with something new to add. Everyone is a participant in the drama unfolding, knowingly or unknowingly.
There is huge tragedy everyday in the world, some of it makes the headlines, majority doesn't. The more common the tragedy the less we hear of them. A real time event with an unknown outcome will trump anything that has concluded.
It's human nature, rubber necking for want of a better phrase.
Ranking tragedies. An all time high for this board.
Quote from: trailer on June 23, 2023, 09:26:24 AM
Ranking tragedies. An all time high for this board.
Says the guy who brings the level of the board down more than anyone else.
Quote from: jcpen on June 23, 2023, 10:06:05 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 23, 2023, 09:26:24 AM
Ranking tragedies. An all time high for this board.
Says the guy who brings the level of the board down more than anyone else.
Hid the wnaker weeks ago. Highly recommend. Only time i see his posts is when hes quoted and it only reinforces my opinion that i made the right move 😎😃
Quote from: trailer on June 23, 2023, 09:26:24 AM
Ranking tragedies. An all time high for this board.
you are being a bit harsh here on the board are you not ? every form of media, social media where there is discussion currently going on about this tragedy is including the very same topic of how there is ranking, thats modern society and is just fact, sad and all as it is
Quote from: jcpen on June 23, 2023, 10:06:05 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 23, 2023, 09:26:24 AM
Ranking tragedies. An all time high for this board.
Says the guy who brings the level of the board down more than anyone else.
79 posts....
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on June 23, 2023, 11:12:55 AM
Quote from: jcpen on June 23, 2023, 10:06:05 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 23, 2023, 09:26:24 AM
Ranking tragedies. An all time high for this board.
Says the guy who brings the level of the board down more than anyone else.
Hid the wnaker weeks ago. Highly recommend. Only time i see his posts is when hes quoted and it only reinforces my opinion that i made the right move 😎😃
Still felt the need to reply though...
Seems like the young fella who died didn't want to go but went reluctantly to please his dad. That's sad
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/suleman-dawood-titan-sub-fathers-day_n_649554abe4b08f753c2b2ddd?fbclid=IwAR1EKumRX5HVdAHDmJAN0J3rx3j5PyOWd-C6f1r5sQUyIVrdOYpfGV6FZL0
Seems the US navy knew it imploded on Sunday but government decided not to announce it , need to keep the headline for when some Biden crime family news is about to drop
If it's true that the US Navy knew on Sunday that the submersible had imploded and said nothing when a major rescue effort was underway all week then the Americans should be picking up the tab.
If
Quote from: clarshack on June 24, 2023, 11:19:43 AM
If it's true that the US Navy knew on Sunday that the submersible had imploded and said nothing when a major rescue effort was underway all week then the Americans should be picking up the tab.
Probably the case that they weren't 100% it was that. Same as the banging they thought they heard during the week. I wouldn't want to call off a rescue because you thought you heard a loud bang at the time.
Quote from: Gmac on June 24, 2023, 01:26:45 AM
Seems the US navy knew it imploded on Sunday but government decided not to announce it , need to keep the headline for when some Biden crime family news is about to drop
There is a US politics thread for you to pollute with your brain dead conspiracy shite.
Quote from: J70 on June 24, 2023, 02:28:06 PM
Quote from: Gmac on June 24, 2023, 01:26:45 AM
Seems the US navy knew it imploded on Sunday but government decided not to announce it , need to keep the headline for when some Biden crime family news is about to drop
There is a US politics thread for you to pollute with your brain dead conspiracy shite.
You don't think that sort of thing happens?
Quote from: J70 on June 24, 2023, 02:28:06 PM
Quote from: Gmac on June 24, 2023, 01:26:45 AM
Seems the US navy knew it imploded on Sunday but government decided not to announce it , need to keep the headline for when some Biden crime family news is about to drop
There is a US politics thread for you to pollute with your brain dead conspiracy shite.
like the Wuhan lab leak ?
Ah ffs take your nonsense to another thread.
Quote from: Gmac on June 24, 2023, 05:46:28 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 24, 2023, 02:28:06 PM
Quote from: Gmac on June 24, 2023, 01:26:45 AM
Seems the US navy knew it imploded on Sunday but government decided not to announce it , need to keep the headline for when some Biden crime family news is about to drop
There is a US politics thread for you to pollute with your brain dead conspiracy shite.
like the Wuhan lab leak ?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66005240
Quote from: Gmac on June 24, 2023, 05:46:28 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 24, 2023, 02:28:06 PM
Quote from: Gmac on June 24, 2023, 01:26:45 AM
Seems the US navy knew it imploded on Sunday but government decided not to announce it , need to keep the headline for when some Biden crime family news is about to drop
There is a US politics thread for you to pollute with your brain dead conspiracy shite.
like the Wuhan lab leak ?
If the US Navy had written off the possibility that the sounds they detected came from anything EXCEPT the sub and thus ended their search and rescue mission before it began, you'd be on here frothing at the mouth about Biden abandoning the crew based on incomplete information. No matter what they did, idiots like you would be making wild accusations because you don't give a f**k about the crew or anything else except your pathological political hatred.
No one else introduced a political element to try to derail this thread because none actually exists.
Idiot and brain dead ? Nice liberal
G Gmac, your such a w**ker, literally f**k up as many threads on here with u US political bullshit. Do us a favour and stay on a US political thread in the US. None of us want here it anymore. The admin should blocked you ages ago.