The GAA wants to avoid one sided games but does nothing to promote competition.
Even at the quarter final stage last year 3 out of 4 matches were one-sided.
This is a big problem. The Dublin situation is also a problem for the all Ireland with the other Leinster teams weakened.
Finding 8 decent teams is a struggle. Finding 16 is impossible.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/05/17/sean-moran-there-are-simply-too-many-teams-in-the-all-ireland-round-robin/
Quote from: seafoid on May 17, 2023, 04:27:16 PM
The GAA wants to avoid one sided games but does nothing to promote competition.
Even at the quarter final stage last year 3 out of 4 matches were one-sided.
This is a big problem. The Dublin situation is also a problem for the all Ireland with the other Leinster teams weakened.
Finding 8 decent teams is a struggle. Finding 16 is impossible.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/05/17/sean-moran-there-are-simply-too-many-teams-in-the-all-ireland-round-robin/
Tailteann cup was mainly brought in to avoid one sided games and 1st round of that this year had plenty of one-sided games. Doesn't matter what format or amount of changes are made one-sided games will always happen.
Quote from: seafoid on May 17, 2023, 04:27:16 PM
The GAA wants to avoid one sided games but does nothing to promote competition.
Even at the quarter final stage last year 3 out of 4 matches were one-sided.
This is a big problem. The Dublin situation is also a problem for the all Ireland with the other Leinster teams weakened.
Finding 8 decent teams is a struggle. Finding 16 is impossible.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/05/17/sean-moran-there-are-simply-too-many-teams-in-the-all-ireland-round-robin/
the current league should be championship with home and away games , same structure winners get promoted bottom 2 relegated , division 1 winners are all Ireland champions. Only way to help weaker counties give them something to build towards and have a goal
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 17, 2023, 04:35:04 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 17, 2023, 04:27:16 PM
The GAA wants to avoid one sided games but does nothing to promote competition.
Even at the quarter final stage last year 3 out of 4 matches were one-sided.
This is a big problem. The Dublin situation is also a problem for the all Ireland with the other Leinster teams weakened.
Finding 8 decent teams is a struggle. Finding 16 is impossible.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/05/17/sean-moran-there-are-simply-too-many-teams-in-the-all-ireland-round-robin/
Tailteann cup was mainly brought in to avoid one sided games and 1st round of that this year had plenty of one-sided games. Doesn't matter what format or amount of changes are made one-sided games will always happen.
The format absolutely matters.
Don't create a format that delays the inevitable.
We don't need 18 "championship" matches to turn 16 teams into 12. The National League has already done the weeding for us.
The championship should be knockout, knockout, knockout.
One of the weaknesses of county based teams is the lack of opportunities for skilful players in weaker counties. There is very little chance of smaller counties producing 15 good players on an ongoing basis. But they could and usually do have 1 or 2. I'd like to see a way for those players to be accommodated. Perhaps a Provincial side made up of losing counties could be a thought
Quote from: thewobbler on May 17, 2023, 05:03:28 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 17, 2023, 04:35:04 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 17, 2023, 04:27:16 PM
The GAA wants to avoid one sided games but does nothing to promote competition.
Even at the quarter final stage last year 3 out of 4 matches were one-sided.
This is a big problem. The Dublin situation is also a problem for the all Ireland with the other Leinster teams weakened.
Finding 8 decent teams is a struggle. Finding 16 is impossible.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/05/17/sean-moran-there-are-simply-too-many-teams-in-the-all-ireland-round-robin/
Tailteann cup was mainly brought in to avoid one sided games and 1st round of that this year had plenty of one-sided games. Doesn't matter what format or amount of changes are made one-sided games will always happen.
The format absolutely matters.
Don't create a format that delays the inevitable.
We don't need 18 "championship" matches to turn 16 teams into 12. The National League has already done the weeding for us.
The championship should be knockout, knockout, knockout.
My point is on mis-matches. They can't be avoided no matter if its a group format, knock out or have tiers.
Usually the mismatches are matches between the top 4 or 5 teams in Division 1 against a team from mid Division 2 or lower.
So for example Dubs v Louth, Galway v Sligo, Kerry v Clare.
Louth gave most teams in Div 2 this year a run for their money including Derry and so should be able to get a few meaningful matches against teams of similar level or teams struggling in Div 1
In my eyes Dubs, Kerry, Galway/Mayo are the main culprits for giving lower division teams a hiding. They usually get to the AI quarterfinals most seasons anyway so why not say the top four in Div 1 or the four provincial winners qualify for the quarters.
Then the rest fight it out for the remaining 4 places by having matches with teams of similar level as them.
Imagine teams like Cork or Galway having to come up to face Monaghan, Armagh, Derry or Tyrone.
It would also make the leagues a lot more exciting with all Div 1 teams pushing for top four.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 17, 2023, 06:19:12 PM
Usually the mismatches are matches between the top 4 or 5 teams in Division 1 against a team from mid Division 2 or lower.
So for example Dubs v Louth, Galway v Sligo, Kerry v Clare.
Louth gave most teams in Div 2 this year a run for their money including Derry and so should be able to get a few meaningful matches against teams of similar level or teams struggling in Div 1
In my eyes Dubs, Kerry, Galway/Mayo are the main culprits for giving lower division teams a hiding. They usually get to the AI quarterfinals most seasons anyway so why not say the top four in Div 1 or the four provincial winners qualify for the quarters.
Then the rest fight it out for the remaining 4 places by having matches with teams of similar level as them.
Imagine teams like Cork or Galway having to come up to face Monaghan, Armagh, Derry or Tyrone.
It would also make the leagues a lot more exciting with all Div 1 teams pushing for top four.
Good idea
Top 2 qualifying was the only was to go, but big worry over the last game been a dead rubber for 1 team with another badly needing the win.
This expanded league group thing reminds me of the new plans for the champions league. People protested about the super league plans , but not vabout the new CL format, bizarrely.
It's mental the amount of games. In effect , 4x4 teams is double what the super 8's were. Plus there'll be 4 playoffs after that , THEN the quarter finals! It's mad. It's just one big cash cow. And the gaa's way of squeezing plenty of dough from the condensed season while at the same time vsaying they are looking after players welfare .
I heard an interview about the new format (can't recall who it was) , and being asked about why was the draw made before the provincials. He said something about wanting to give fans and teams time to prepare etc. A lot of nonsense! They didn't care too much in previous years when they rattled off qualifiers like the Benny hill theme tune. Cork playing in Antrim on week , now you're going up to Derry the following week. Fans and teams getting maybe 3 or 4 days to plan their trips, book time off etc.
Quote from: High Fielder on May 17, 2023, 05:11:30 PM
One of the weaknesses of county based teams is the lack of opportunities for skilful players in weaker counties. There is very little chance of smaller counties producing 15 good players on an ongoing basis. But they could and usually do have 1 or 2. I'd like to see a way for those players to be accommodated. Perhaps a Provincial side made up of losing counties could be a thought
There's only one way to help weaker counties. Income from all counties is pooled and redistributed equally among all counties, so Leitrim get the same share as Dublin or Kerry or Mayo. And pigs will fly before that happens I'm afraid.
If you give Leitrim CB €1m they'll still have a population of 35k.
If you only give Dublin €100k they'll still have a population of 1.4m.
"Too many teams in Round Robin" is suggesting a 3rd Tier.
The more I think about it, the GAA's master plan here is to do this for 2 years, then the outcry against boredom, mismatches, player burnout and disinterest, cost and distance of travel for supporters, will neatly usher in a return to the super 8s. And we will thankful for it.
The Super 8s would generate more cash in 12 games than this current format's 18 games and quarter final qualifiers and for a lot less hassle. I'm sure of it.
::)
Quote from: Gmac on May 17, 2023, 04:35:59 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 17, 2023, 04:27:16 PM
The GAA wants to avoid one sided games but does nothing to promote competition.
Even at the quarter final stage last year 3 out of 4 matches were one-sided.
This is a big problem. The Dublin situation is also a problem for the all Ireland with the other Leinster teams weakened.
Finding 8 decent teams is a struggle. Finding 16 is impossible.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/05/17/sean-moran-there-are-simply-too-many-teams-in-the-all-ireland-round-robin/
the current league should be championship with home and away games , same structure winners get promoted bottom 2 relegated , division 1 winners are all Ireland champions. Only way to help weaker counties give them something to build towards and have a goal
would that getting rid of all ireland semi finals maybe you go do top 4 into semis or maybe 2nd v 3rd in a semi you would not want to get rid of the occasion of an ireland semi final
too much focus on intercounty now was intercounty not suppose to be a representive thing where you play a few times a year then clear of back to your club.
Quote from: Eire90 on May 18, 2023, 12:21:24 AM
too much focus on intercounty now was intercounty not suppose to be a representive thing where you play a few times a year then clear of back to your club.
That, right there is the single biggest problem facing the GAA.
The power of the club.
One day the GAA will have to grasp the nettle.
Quote from: Eire90 on May 18, 2023, 12:18:43 AM
Quote from: Gmac on May 17, 2023, 04:35:59 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 17, 2023, 04:27:16 PM
The GAA wants to avoid one sided games but does nothing to promote competition.
Even at the quarter final stage last year 3 out of 4 matches were one-sided.
This is a big problem. The Dublin situation is also a problem for the all Ireland with the other Leinster teams weakened.
Finding 8 decent teams is a struggle. Finding 16 is impossible.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/05/17/sean-moran-there-are-simply-too-many-teams-in-the-all-ireland-round-robin/
the current league should be championship with home and away games , same structure winners get promoted bottom 2 relegated , division 1 winners are all Ireland champions. Only way to help weaker counties give them something to build towards and have a goal
would that getting rid of all ireland semi finals maybe you go do top 4 into semis or maybe 2nd v 3rd in a semi you would not want to get rid of the occasion of an ireland semi final
A Super 8's consisting of the 4 Provincial Champions and the 4 remaining highest seeds from the league.
Tailteann cup (superish 8)of the 4 Beaten provincial finalists and the next 4 highest seeds.
Junior championship (average 8!)of the next 8 seeds
Junior B for the bottom8/9
League still means something and teams are competing at their own level.
From this year
Group 1: Dublin, Derry, Tyrone, Roscommon
Group 2: Kerry, Galway, Mayo, Monaghan
Tailteann
Group 1: Armagh, Louth, Cork, Meath
Group 2: Clare, Sligo, Kildare, Donegal
Stick in a 2nd v 3rd qualifier to keep it competitive.
Quote from: LeoMc on May 18, 2023, 10:23:01 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on May 18, 2023, 12:18:43 AM
Quote from: Gmac on May 17, 2023, 04:35:59 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 17, 2023, 04:27:16 PM
The GAA wants to avoid one sided games but does nothing to promote competition.
Even at the quarter final stage last year 3 out of 4 matches were one-sided.
This is a big problem. The Dublin situation is also a problem for the all Ireland with the other Leinster teams weakened.
Finding 8 decent teams is a struggle. Finding 16 is impossible.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/05/17/sean-moran-there-are-simply-too-many-teams-in-the-all-ireland-round-robin/
the current league should be championship with home and away games , same structure winners get promoted bottom 2 relegated , division 1 winners are all Ireland champions. Only way to help weaker counties give them something to build towards and have a goal
would that getting rid of all ireland semi finals maybe you go do top 4 into semis or maybe 2nd v 3rd in a semi you would not want to get rid of the occasion of an ireland semi final
A Super 8's consisting of the 4 Provincial Champions and the 4 remaining highest seeds from the league.
Tailteann cup (superish 8)of the 4 Beaten provincial finalists and the next 4 highest seeds.
Junior championship (average 8!)of the next 8 seeds
Junior B for the bottom8/9
League still means something and teams are competing at their own level.
From this year
Group 1: Dublin, Derry, Tyrone, Roscommon
Group 2: Kerry, Galway, Mayo, Monaghan
Tailteann
Group 1: Armagh, Louth, Cork, Meath
Group 2: Clare, Sligo, Kildare, Donegal
Stick in a 2nd v 3rd qualifier to keep it competitive.
Like this idea all though obviously we'd see ourselves as belonging to the stronger group, would leave the league that bit more important as there probably are 9 stronger teams at the minute snd one would be missing out
The GAA is fine with semi finals and the final. The question is what comes before that.
Ultimately you're trying to make something work that never will. If all the future holds for weaker counties is to be pushed further into oblivion, why would they bother at all? If the GAA was designed to ensure dominance, and I don't believe it was, then there really is no future for at least half the counties in Ireland. Go and play Junior B. Go and play Division 3 and 4 football for eternity. Disregard funding, players available and the last 100 years of dominance. What a load of bollix quite frankly
Until Leinster is fixed , the football championship will be weakened. In Division 1 as well the standard isn't as good as it used to be because of the financial doping.
Quote from: High Fielder on May 18, 2023, 11:14:25 AM
Ultimately you're trying to make something work that never will. If all the future holds for weaker counties is to be pushed further into oblivion, why would they bother at all? If the GAA was designed to ensure dominance, and I don't believe it was, then there really is no future for at least half the counties in Ireland. Go and play Junior B. Go and play Division 3 and 4 football for eternity. Disregard funding, players available and the last 100 years of dominance. What a load of bollix quite frankly
That's a great rant!
Hope you feel better after it.
What about doing something radical such as taking Dublin and Kerry out of their provincial championship for a few years? Neither team really gives a rat's arse about them anyway and what benefit have they got out of any games they have played to day.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 18, 2023, 11:50:39 AM
Quote from: High Fielder on May 18, 2023, 11:14:25 AM
Ultimately you're trying to make something work that never will. If all the future holds for weaker counties is to be pushed further into oblivion, why would they bother at all? If the GAA was designed to ensure dominance, and I don't believe it was, then there really is no future for at least half the counties in Ireland. Go and play Junior B. Go and play Division 3 and 4 football for eternity. Disregard funding, players available and the last 100 years of dominance. What a load of bollix quite frankly
That's a great rant!
Hope you feel better after it.
;D
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on May 18, 2023, 12:01:13 PM
What about doing something radical such as taking Dublin and Kerry out of their provincial championship for a few years? Neither team really gives a rat's arse about them anyway and what benefit have they got out of any games they have played to day.
Would love to see this. Could we move a few Leinster teams to Munster as well to even thr numbers?
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on May 18, 2023, 12:01:13 PM
What about doing something radical such as taking Dublin and Kerry out of their provincial championship for a few years? Neither team really gives a rat's arse about them anyway and what benefit have they got out of any games they have played to day.
I'm all for something radical, but in fairness to both, neither can be blamed for their superiority. I have no interest in penalising either, splitting them up or taking them out of Croker or Dubai if that's where they want to play their matches. I just don't believe that we belong on the same pitch as them. There's an overall unfairness about it that goes deeper than the venue or the very many factors that makes them much stronger than us. The problem as I see it is not what can we do with Dublin or Kerry, but how can we ensure that they have proper competition? The players are out there. They're just not in the same counties, sadly
Quote from: High Fielder on May 18, 2023, 12:12:12 PM
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on May 18, 2023, 12:01:13 PM
What about doing something radical such as taking Dublin and Kerry out of their provincial championship for a few years? Neither team really gives a rat's arse about them anyway and what benefit have they got out of any games they have played to day.
I'm all for something radical, but in fairness to both, neither can be blamed for their superiority. I have no interest in penalising either, splitting them up or taking them out of Croker or Dubai if that's where they want to play their matches. I just don't believe that we belong on the same pitch as them. There's an overall unfairness about it that goes deeper than the venue or the very many factors that makes them much stronger than us. The problem as I see it is not what can we do with Dublin or Kerry, but how can we ensure that they have proper competition? The players are out there. They're just not in the same counties, sadly
A non Kerry Munster province team and a non Dublin Leinster province team?
Said it several times but the new structure is a mess, a hybrid model of knockout into league (based on another league) and then back to knockout. Only the knockout will really matter.
I'd love to see provincials stay as a stand-alone competition, try it and put some effort into it. I can see counties putting less emphasis into it in future on current system. While it would remain a realistic goal for counties that are building a team. But I don't think the hunger to change is there, certainly not from the power that provincial councils would have to give over.
It needs a massive overhaul which is mad to say as it's been one overhaul after another to get to this stage.
The league a great and obvious solution but ignored.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 18, 2023, 12:20:38 PM
Quote from: High Fielder on May 18, 2023, 12:12:12 PM
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on May 18, 2023, 12:01:13 PM
What about doing something radical such as taking Dublin and Kerry out of their provincial championship for a few years? Neither team really gives a rat's arse about them anyway and what benefit have they got out of any games they have played to day.
I'm all for something radical, but in fairness to both, neither can be blamed for their superiority. I have no interest in penalising either, splitting them up or taking them out of Croker or Dubai if that's where they want to play their matches. I just don't believe that we belong on the same pitch as them. There's an overall unfairness about it that goes deeper than the venue or the very many factors that makes them much stronger than us. The problem as I see it is not what can we do with Dublin or Kerry, but how can we ensure that they have proper competition? The players are out there. They're just not in the same counties, sadly
A non Kerry Munster province team and a non Dublin Leinster province team?
Exactly
Competitive sport is never fair.
The best players or athletes or boxers or whatever beat the less good ones.
In gaelic games teams are based on where you come from so you have Leitrim 35k, Galway 270k, Dublin 1.4m and so on yet lads are moaning about need to equalise things.
Difference being, in the vast, vast majority of sports, you wouldn't be expected to compete. Your hurlers aren't expected to play Galway and there's a reason for that. God help the skillful hurler born in Roscommon or Mayo. Sorry, the GAA has nothing for you at the highest level
Isn't playing for where you come from the whole ethos of gaelic games?
It is. Yet somebody put Galway into Leinster
I have no beef with Galway by the way. My only concern, before the GAA completely capsizes in smaller counties, is to get the best players playing at the highest possible level. I really don't know many sports (if any) where you could potentially be the best in that field and never achieve anything
In professional sport very good players get to play with/against the best.
How do you do that with Amateur GAA players?
Abolish County teams and have 10 or 12 Regional teams in football?
Add 3 or 4 Regional teams to the 9 or 10 hurling County teams?
You could do whatever you want. That is why I used the Galway example. If the ethos of the GAA is to represent where you are from, then by its definition, the imbalance already exists as you pointed out - 35k Leitrim etc. So as I see it, the definition or boundary needs to be widened. It's not feasible to expect (to a reasonable person at least) Leitrim to compete with Galway or Mayo, or my own county Laois to compete with Dublin. But we still have good players. So why not pool the best players from the losing counties into a provincial side? I'm still not convinced they'd win anything, but at least give lads something to work towards. I personally would love to see a Super 8 comprising of the 4 Provincial winners and 4 Provincial sides made up of the losing players in that province
franchise teams like the limerick lions and the tyrone titans kildare kings and tullamore tornadoes
Quote from: High Fielder on May 18, 2023, 01:45:55 PM
You could do whatever you want. That is why I used the Galway example. If the ethos of the GAA is to represent where you are from, then by its definition, the imbalance already exists as you pointed out - 35k Leitrim etc. So as I see it, the definition or boundary needs to be widened. It's not feasible to expect (to a reasonable person at least) Leitrim to compete with Galway or Mayo, or my own county Laois to compete with Dublin. But we still have good players. So why not pool the best players from the losing counties into a provincial side? I'm still not convinced they'd win anything, but at least give lads something to work towards. I personally would love to see a Super 8 comprising of the 4 Provincial winners and 4 Provincial sides made up of the losing players in that province
As far as ideas go this isn't a bad one.
It's my great bugbear with the GAA. There is no avenue to the top for the exceptional player in a poor performing county. I believe this gives such a player a sporting chance to play for something worthwhile, and not just a Railway Cup medal or some second or third rate trophy
Quote from: High Fielder on May 18, 2023, 12:12:12 PM
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on May 18, 2023, 12:01:13 PM
What about doing something radical such as taking Dublin and Kerry out of their provincial championship for a few years? Neither team really gives a rat's arse about them anyway and what benefit have they got out of any games they have played to day.
I'm all for something radical, but in fairness to both, neither can be blamed for their superiority. I have no interest in penalising either, splitting them up or taking them out of Croker or Dubai if that's where they want to play their matches. I just don't believe that we belong on the same pitch as them. There's an overall unfairness about it that goes deeper than the venue or the very many factors that makes them much stronger than us. The problem as I see it is not what can we do with Dublin or Kerry, but how can we ensure that they have proper competition? The players are out there. They're just not in the same counties, sadly
To an extent it is a numbers game, Dublin will always have a greater population than Louth but there are more factors, and money is part of it.
Dublin always had a bigger population but it is only when they got the funding to put the coaches in place to reach out and tap into that potential that they had a period of dominance.
Cork has a bigger population than Kerry but the kids in Kerry have a lot of role models and memories of big days in great stadiums. Growing up surrounded by the GAA is a big intangible.
Quote from: High Fielder on May 18, 2023, 02:04:19 PM
It's my great bugbear with the GAA. There is no avenue to the top for the exceptional player in a poor performing county. I believe this gives such a player a sporting chance to play for something worthwhile, and not just a Railway Cup medal or some second or third rate trophy
The Railway cup was well respected in its day. Perhaps we should have an inter-provincial for poorly performing counties, the Leinster losers against the Ulster underdogs perhaps.
Quote from: High Fielder on May 18, 2023, 02:04:19 PM
It's my great bugbear with the GAA. There is no avenue to the top for the exceptional player in a poor performing county. I believe this gives such a player a sporting chance to play for something worthwhile, and not just a Railway Cup medal or some second or third rate trophy
This isn't quite as black and white as made out.
Louth has a population bigger than Mayo. But while the latter is obsessed with the sport of football, the former seemingly clings to its "wee county", underdog and also ran status. The only thing stopping them competing with Kerry, Mayo and Donegal is themselves.
Meath and Kildare have huge populations to call upon, and both counties have a football heritage and very little conflict with hurling. The only thing stopping them competing with Kerry, Donegal and Mayo is themselves.
Leitrim has a tiny population. But take away the Protestants and the water from Fermanagh and I'm the Erne has probably not a dissimilar number of potential players. But whereas Fermanagh have spent 30 years getting the most out of good teams when they arrive, Leitrim doesn't seem able to do this.
Redistributing money won't fix this. It's cultural.
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By the way I'm not denying that Dublin has a huge advantage due to their population. But as other sports show too, sporting superstardom (players who are clearly naturally better than their peers) follows no pattern and they are as likely to come from a back woods village as an urban jungle.
Nurturing these superstars and putting a solid team around them is one of the keys to success. Kerry have turned it into an art form.
Louth would have a strong affiliation with soccer. Irrespective of reasons why, they have one of the finest forwards in the country right now, and like McNamee in Offaly, Mulligan in Leitrim or whoever, they are not going to achieve much with their own county. There needs to be a way for the best players in the country to potentially win some of its biggest honours. It's supposed to be an All Ireland after all. I can't imagine the architects of the GAA created it for the dominance of Dublin, Kerry et al
Quote from: High Fielder on May 18, 2023, 04:21:06 PM
Louth would have a strong affiliation with soccer. Irrespective of reasons why, they have one of the finest forwards in the country right now, and like McNamee in Offaly, Mulligan in Leitrim or whoever, they are not going to achieve much with their own county. There needs to be a way for the best players in the country to potentially win some of its biggest honours. It's supposed to be an All Ireland after all. I can't imagine the architects of the GAA created it for the dominance of Dublin, Kerry et al
Agree, it's like the Kerry senior championship.
The top 8 (I believe) clubs enter on their own, these are the senior clubs and one team is relegated each year to ge replaced by the club intermediate champions.
These 8 senior clubs are joined by 8 divisional sides to make the senior championship. Every club is attached to a divisional side and if a club is promoted to senior or relegated from senior their players will exit or enter the divisional side as the case may be.
You've got to say it works pretty well.
Quote from: seafoid on May 18, 2023, 11:42:32 AM
Until Leinster is fixed , the football championship will be weakened. In Division 1 as well the standard isn't as good as it used to be because of the financial doping.
Financial doping??? Meaningless term in gaa which is an amateur sport where players are usually not paid. There are of course the odd exceptions, but those 'super clubs' suspected of enticing high profile players, generate the funds internally, possibly through generous club benefactors and certainly do not get those funds from central gas revenues.
Quote from: onefineday on May 19, 2023, 01:03:04 AM
Quote from: High Fielder on May 18, 2023, 04:21:06 PM
Louth would have a strong affiliation with soccer. Irrespective of reasons why, they have one of the finest forwards in the country right now, and like McNamee in Offaly, Mulligan in Leitrim or whoever, they are not going to achieve much with their own county. There needs to be a way for the best players in the country to potentially win some of its biggest honours. It's supposed to be an All Ireland after all. I can't imagine the architects of the GAA created it for the dominance of Dublin, Kerry et al
Agree, it's like the Kerry senior championship.
The top 8 (I believe) clubs enter on their own, these are the senior clubs and one team is relegated each year to ge replaced by the club intermediate champions.
These 8 senior clubs are joined by 8 divisional sides to make the senior championship. Every club is attached to a divisional side and if a club is promoted to senior or relegated from senior their players will exit or enter the divisional side as the case may be.
You've got to say it works pretty well.
It does. And everyone has a fair crack of the whip. I honestly can't abide a sport that will not cater for some of its best players. The GAA are inadvertently promoting other sports in some counties by having no pathway for individually good players
Dont these players not get to experience glory at club level
And that should be good enough for them? So potentially we could have the best player we have never seen because he/she is from a weaker county? Such a limited outlook and unlike any sport I can think of. There has to be a way for every player to reach their full potential
happens in international football some players very good players have played for weak countries.
After reaching the pinnacle of club football and becoming multi millionaires? You mean those poor unfortunates?
no im just saying inter county football is the equivalent of international football unless someone creates a Gaelic football super league or they relax club rules then this will always be the case.
No your point is fair and likely it will always be the case. Personally I believe it could be a whole lot better. The system as it stands promotes dominance and predictability. They can tweak it all they want but the weak will invariably stay weak
Quote from: High Fielder on May 19, 2023, 09:12:27 AM
No your point is fair and likely it will always be the case. Personally I believe it could be a whole lot better. The system as it stands promotes dominance and predictability. They can tweak it all they want but the weak will invariably stay weak
There is a hole in the bucket
What about 8 groups of four?
Give all teams a chance to be competitive at their own level and with some hope of winning something.
Round robin league championship format with all 4 teams advancing to the preliminary round final. Top plays bottom etc.
Quote from: High Fielder on May 19, 2023, 08:57:35 AM
And that should be good enough for them? So potentially we could have the best player we have never seen because he/she is from a weaker county? Such a limited outlook and unlike any sport I can think of. There has to be a way for every player to reach their full potential
How many people outside Leitrim or Longford ever saw Emlyn Mulligan or Micky Quinn playing?
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 19, 2023, 09:25:05 AM
What about 8 groups of four?
Give all teams a chance to be competitive at their own level and with some hope of winning something.
Round robin league championship format with all 4 teams advancing to the preliminary round final. Top plays bottom etc.
they have 8 groups of 4 at the moment between Sam Maguire and Tailteann
Kildare v Dublin will take place in Nowlan Park.
they will make the ball smaller and give them sticks to hit it with