Parents
Heroes/Celebrities in the sport
Exposure on TV
Media
Culture of an area
A good coach
A good club
Friends
Natural ability
Opportunities for game time
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 24, 2023, 11:22:26 PM
Parents
Heroes/Celebrities in the sport
Exposure on TV
Media
Culture of an area
A good coach
A good club
Friends
Natural ability
Opportunities for game time
I remember when I happened upon some Channel 4 coverage of the 1986 Tour de France, a stage that went into Bordeaux. Bit of a flat stage, none of the dramatic mountain passes. I was just amazed at the speed of the riders and how the tactics of the race were playing out. I didn't know any of the riders' names or how these professional teams worked, but I was awestruck. I was about 9 years old at the time and from that moment forward I was hooked on cycling. Became a competitive rider eventually.
I remember the first time I sat down and actually paid attention to a hurling match. Would have been an All-Ireland semifinal or a provincial final if it was on TV in those days. The way the players flicked the ball off the ground and into their hands was what got my attention, then I started to notice how skillful it was. Again, I was hooked. I'd been to club hurling matches before to watch my brother playing, but it was the TV coverage and the close-up action that really got my attention.
I'd say TV exposure was a big deal in forming my sporting tastes.
Culture of an area is also going to be huge. I never had any interest in English or Scottish soccer but there was no escaping it in Lurgan growing up, it was all some of my mates would ever talk about, so by osmosis I was always going to have some idea of what was going on. And when I lived in Manchester there was definitely no escape. If I was into some minority sport that absolutely nobody was talking about then it would have been a lonely time, I'd imagine. Maybe it's different nowadays when youngsters can form online communities with similar interests.
in soccer, def YouTube. My wee boy turned 6 last month and he knows all the players and their numbers etc from Youtube lol, he's football mad, out in the garden he's doing the celebrations and all lol. I hate him being anywhere near his tablet esp now the good weather coming in but I kinda let him away if he's watching football clips as I think it's getting him more into sport.
In all the talk of giving up the summer to other sports in the split season there is never a mention of the fact that even when we had them there was nothing aimed at kids.
My nephew is glued to soccer clips and skills on YouTube. It's something the GAA need to look at.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on April 25, 2023, 08:02:57 AM
In all the talk of giving up the summer to other sports in the split season there is never a mention of the fact that even when we had them there was nothing aimed at kids.
My nephew is glued to soccer clips and skills on YouTube. It's something the GAA need to look at.
That's a good point. In between games there is nothing on TV/online about the games played or upcoming games. Us old fogies can pick up the paper and read about it but thats not what youngsters do nowadays. They want the likes of YouTube or TikTok and there is zero presence on either of those things in an official capacity. Look at how Ruairi Canavans point v Glen went viral across the world to show the potential reach.
There is actually a good channel on YouTube called Peaky Bannsiders who in the main follows Coleraine in the Irish League with his son. Last year he went to all the Derry matches in Ulster and All Ireland. Its well worth checking out. Thats the kind of thing the GAA needs to be looking at now.
Quote from: square_ball on April 25, 2023, 08:19:15 AM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on April 25, 2023, 08:02:57 AM
In all the talk of giving up the summer to other sports in the split season there is never a mention of the fact that even when we had them there was nothing aimed at kids.
My nephew is glued to soccer clips and skills on YouTube. It's something the GAA need to look at.
That's a good point. In between games there is nothing on TV/online about the games played or upcoming games. Us old fogies can pick up the paper and read about it but thats not what youngsters do nowadays. They want the likes of YouTube or TikTok and there is zero presence on either of those things in an official capacity. Look at how Ruairi Canavans point v Glen went viral across the world to show the potential reach.
There is actually a good channel on YouTube called Peaky Bannsiders who in the main follows Coleraine in the Irish League with his son. Last year he went to all the Derry matches in Ulster and All Ireland. Its well worth checking out. Thats the kind of thing the GAA needs to be looking at now.
The GAA could learn a lot from Buff Egan
Quote from: Franko on April 25, 2023, 01:07:39 PM
Quote from: square_ball on April 25, 2023, 08:19:15 AM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on April 25, 2023, 08:02:57 AM
In all the talk of giving up the summer to other sports in the split season there is never a mention of the fact that even when we had them there was nothing aimed at kids.
My nephew is glued to soccer clips and skills on YouTube. It's something the GAA need to look at.
That's a good point. In between games there is nothing on TV/online about the games played or upcoming games. Us old fogies can pick up the paper and read about it but thats not what youngsters do nowadays. They want the likes of YouTube or TikTok and there is zero presence on either of those things in an official capacity. Look at how Ruairi Canavans point v Glen went viral across the world to show the potential reach.
There is actually a good channel on YouTube called Peaky Bannsiders who in the main follows Coleraine in the Irish League with his son. Last year he went to all the Derry matches in Ulster and All Ireland. Its well worth checking out. Thats the kind of thing the GAA needs to be looking at now.
The GAA could learn a lot from Buff Egan
Yeah, Buff is a good lad. A good PR man for the small ball.
My young lad (11) is Soccer-mad. Soccer ticks all the boxes. Games are more organised. A, B and C teams - mean a lot of game time for you within your ability. 11 a side means more touches of the ball in a game. Soccer is on the telly all the time. Soccer is all over Youtube, social media etc. Soccer is in the playground. Match Attacks Cards.
He likes Gaelic Football and plays it. The drop off in underage Gaelic is mad enough. There is no room for average to weak players. I was kind of surprised at how early the cull starts. He's holding his own so far! Many clubs have development (or B ) teams that are mainly used for 'A' team players getting a second game in the week, which further helps with the cull within the club. The clubs who don't do this get hockeyed which helps with the cull in their club! The only average lads that do survive are the ones whose parents are involved or the ones who are not ashamed to be sitting on the bench week in week out.
The GAA could learn a lot from other sports. The online media is huge from Match highlights in soccer or race highlights in F1 for example. It's available a few hours after. Interviews and shorts with key participants. Even F1 moved to squad numbers for drivers. Merchandise, match day experiences all these things drive interest and participation. Of course we're a community organisation so everything is very local but definitely feel more work could be done to elevate the interest in the individual players and counties.
It's a like bit of everything I suppose. Main thing obviously is an interest. If they don't have it your wasting your time, and best not to push them as they may come back to it a few years later. I'm learning that with my eldest lad. Classmates in the club will keep them going to training. Fun aspect during training make the drills interesting and fun. Also bringing them to games. Even if they just go for the sweets or the running on the pitch at full time to meet the players. I'm coming purely from a GAA aspect though. Obv croke pk don't let the kids on the precious pitch. My 2 youngest love going to the county games. And it has increased their interest on the pitch with their team.
Quote from: trailer on April 26, 2023, 09:23:04 AM
The GAA could learn a lot from other sports. The online media is huge from Match highlights in soccer or race highlights in F1 for example. It's available a few hours after. Interviews and shorts with key participants. Even F1 moved to squad numbers for drivers. Merchandise, match day experiences all these things drive interest and participation. Of course we're a community organisation so everything is very local but definitely feel more work could be done to elevate the interest in the individual players and counties.
Tbf they've advanced significantly with match highlights this year. They're available on "TheGAA" twitter almost immediately after a match.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 26, 2023, 09:41:59 AM
Quote from: trailer on April 26, 2023, 09:23:04 AM
The GAA could learn a lot from other sports. The online media is huge from Match highlights in soccer or race highlights in F1 for example. It's available a few hours after. Interviews and shorts with key participants. Even F1 moved to squad numbers for drivers. Merchandise, match day experiences all these things drive interest and participation. Of course we're a community organisation so everything is very local but definitely feel more work could be done to elevate the interest in the individual players and counties.
Tbf they've advanced significantly with match highlights this year. They're available on "TheGAA" twitter almost immediately after a match.
Yeah - I had a similar thought this morning as I noticed the Munster GAA YouTube channel had highlights of minor hurling games that were on last night.
However not all units of the organisation are using their YouTube channel's as effectively.
It's 10 months since the Connacht Council last uploaded anything to their YouTube channel.
It's 4 months since the Leinster Council last uploaded anything to their YouTube channel.
It's 1 month since the Ulster Council last uploaded anything to their YouTube channel.
It's 12 days since the GAA last uploaded anything to their YouTube channel.
You wonder why the highlights on Twitter aren't being uploaded to YouTube as well.
Overall it seems fairly scatter-shot ad/hoc with little in the way of joined up thinking or a common approach accross different units in terms of social media use to promote the GAA.
It's also yet more evidence of the effectiveness/inefficiency/waste of the provincial councils.
If you can't see it you wont want to be it. My wee lad (9) has turned soccer mad out of the blue. Youtube/school/tv/Playstation/Merchadising everywhere. Every where you turn soccer is rammed down your throat.
underage managers who picks winning trophies over development is a massive reason of the drop off in the GAA
Quote from: snoopdog on April 26, 2023, 09:35:00 AM
It's a like bit of everything I suppose. Main thing obviously is an interest. If they don't have it your wasting your time, and best not to push them as they may come back to it a few years later. I'm learning that with my eldest lad. Classmates in the club will keep them going to training. Fun aspect during training make the drills interesting and fun. Also bringing them to games. Even if they just go for the sweets or the running on the pitch at full time to meet the players. I'm coming purely from a GAA aspect though. Obv croke pk don't let the kids on the precious pitch. My 2 youngest love going to the county games. And it has increased their interest on the pitch with their team.
I'd agree with that, bringing my kids to county games in particular has really increased their appetite for playing.
My house isnt a huge soccer house, and by huge, I mean I never watch a game. Occassionally watch MOTD. But, I have 10 year old boys and they know about all the teams from their friends and from playing fifa!
Definately much more difficult for kids to stick at the GAA now post u12s. It's ultra competitive and the average kids at that age never get to kick a ball.
GAA def don't deliver for all and it's a huge miss.
Soccer clubs make a better go at this, but there is certainly a higher financial cost to participants.
Bring back gaelic games on the playstation. Those were the days!
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 26, 2023, 10:42:06 AM
underage managers who picks winning trophies over development is a massive reason of the drop off in the GAA
+1.
I find it a little shocking that kids at U12 are being sidelined and getting a lot less game exposure due to the manager wanting to win every game by playing his strongest 15. Without the match exposure, how will a child ever improve ... lack of game time
and associated coaching results in kids walking away, and that pisses me off at younger age groups.
Quote from: balladmaker on April 26, 2023, 01:50:56 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 26, 2023, 10:42:06 AM
underage managers who picks winning trophies over development is a massive reason of the drop off in the GAA
+1.
I find it a little shocking that kids at U12 are being sidelined and getting a lot less game exposure due to the manager wanting to win every game by playing his strongest 15. Without the match exposure, how will a child ever improve ... lack of game time and associated coaching results in kids walking away, and that pisses me off at younger age groups.
It's a big problem and one that causes many's a row between parents and coaches.
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 26, 2023, 10:42:06 AM
underage managers who picks winning trophies over development is a massive reason of the drop off in the GAA
Absolutely this and i'm actually personally experiencing this atm.
Have experienced it and tbh good part of the reason I stopped.
A bit off topic, but are there any either live gaa podcasts or ones available a couple of hours after the games on a Sunday?
A few times last year I was driving home a couple of hours after a game, mad to hear more about the game and the radio coverage would be over so it'd be great to have a podcast available around that time (7pm on a championship Sunday)
Sideline eye does this in Armagh, great coverage of club and county games with podcasts and various different player/ex player and management interviews.
Quote from: clarshack on April 26, 2023, 02:18:51 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 26, 2023, 10:42:06 AM
underage managers who picks winning trophies over development is a massive reason of the drop off in the GAA
Absolutely this and i'm actually personally experiencing this atm.
I find its a mix of the managers in charge of these teams and the parents of the 'stronger' players who push this.
Quote from: balladmaker on April 26, 2023, 01:50:56 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 26, 2023, 10:42:06 AM
underage managers who picks winning trophies over development is a massive reason of the drop off in the GAA
+1.
I find it a little shocking that kids at U12 are being sidelined and getting a lot less game exposure due to the manager wanting to win every game by playing his strongest 15. Without the match exposure, how will a child ever improve ... lack of game time and associated coaching results in kids walking away, and that pisses me off at younger age groups.
+1
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on April 25, 2023, 08:02:57 AM
In all the talk of giving up the summer to other sports in the split season there is never a mention of the fact that even when we had them there was nothing aimed at kids.
My nephew is glued to soccer clips and skills on YouTube. It's something the GAA need to look at.
A decent fantasy game and somewhere to get proper accurate stats could really make an impact on the younger generation too.
Like it or not it's very difficult to compete with the global appeal of soccer when it comes to YouTube, TikTok etc - moments like canavan's dummy solo and grugan's goal are great, but since kids don't know who half the players are, they're not going to have the same desire to watch them. Award 6 fantasy pts for a goal by a midfielder though and....
Quote from: onefineday on April 27, 2023, 01:08:15 AM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on April 25, 2023, 08:02:57 AM
In all the talk of giving up the summer to other sports in the split season there is never a mention of the fact that even when we had them there was nothing aimed at kids.
My nephew is glued to soccer clips and skills on YouTube. It's something the GAA need to look at.
A decent fantasy game and somewhere to get proper accurate stats could really make an impact on the younger generation too.
Like it or not it's very difficult to compete with the global appeal of soccer when it comes to YouTube, TikTok etc - moments like canavan's dummy solo and grugan's goal are great, but since kids don't know who half the players are, they're not going to have the same desire to watch them. Award 6 fantasy pts for a goal by a midfielder though and....
Also in terms of the younger generation for a huge chunk of them the fact that so many games are on TG4 is massively offputting.
I know my own personal experience growing up as a crap footballer, I went to every training session from Under 10 - Minor and started a total of 1 match and came on as a sub once. It was more soul destroying being part of the same 6-8 lads at training every session but never getting in the starting 15. The only reason I got to play 7 games at minor was we only had 15/16 players and were getting hockeyed by 30 points a match.
I notice where I live now there are 5 soccer clubs with about 4/5 teams per age group. There is a new GAA club which will make it interesting. The GAA academy for the established club has started for 4 year olds and they are getting about 60 four year olds on a Sunday morning which is great to see. My young lad had no interest in playing with any type of football not for lack of trying on my behalf but his 3 best friends in creche all go and he asked last week that he wanted to go play with his friends which is great news ! Swimming ends early May and I will happily bring him along. My 2 year old daughter is ball mad whether its rugby, football or using a sliothar and hurl plus she is always ready to shout "Up the Rossies" at the drop of a hat, such a good kid LOL
I remember going to watch indoor bowls being played in east Tyrone when I was 14. This woman was throwing and got her skirt caught in her knickers and I was transfixed. She was in her 60s but it didn't matter. Ever since, I've been mad about indoor bowls.
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 27, 2023, 12:14:06 PM
Quote from: onefineday on April 27, 2023, 01:08:15 AM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on April 25, 2023, 08:02:57 AM
In all the talk of giving up the summer to other sports in the split season there is never a mention of the fact that even when we had them there was nothing aimed at kids.
My nephew is glued to soccer clips and skills on YouTube. It's something the GAA need to look at.
A decent fantasy game and somewhere to get proper accurate stats could really make an impact on the younger generation too.
Like it or not it's very difficult to compete with the global appeal of soccer when it comes to YouTube, TikTok etc - moments like canavan's dummy solo and grugan's goal are great, but since kids don't know who half the players are, they're not going to have the same desire to watch them. Award 6 fantasy pts for a goal by a midfielder though and....
Also in terms of the younger generation for a huge chunk of them the fact that so many games are on TG4 is massively offputting.
You're not allowed to say this out loud.
But now you have. I totally agree with you.
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 27, 2023, 12:14:06 PM
Quote from: onefineday on April 27, 2023, 01:08:15 AM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on April 25, 2023, 08:02:57 AM
In all the talk of giving up the summer to other sports in the split season there is never a mention of the fact that even when we had them there was nothing aimed at kids.
My nephew is glued to soccer clips and skills on YouTube. It's something the GAA need to look at.
A decent fantasy game and somewhere to get proper accurate stats could really make an impact on the younger generation too.
Like it or not it's very difficult to compete with the global appeal of soccer when it comes to YouTube, TikTok etc - moments like canavan's dummy solo and grugan's goal are great, but since kids don't know who half the players are, they're not going to have the same desire to watch them. Award 6 fantasy pts for a goal by a midfielder though and....
Also in terms of the younger generation for a huge chunk of them the fact that so many games are on TG4 is massively offputting.
Absolutely!!
I think I mentioned it elsewhere, surely we could have dual commentary options - hit the red button for bearla!!
We talk about drop off levels and no doubt they are high. But is there not a few reasons for that. As a club, we've never seen as many kids at our under age. We wouldn't have had half the numbers in my younger days. Parents push their kids now to be more involved and more active than ever before.
There's so much out there now for kids that drop of increase is inevitable imo. When I was young you had Football, soccer. That was it for the majority. Now there is swimming clubs, junior running clubs, rugby, gymnastics, dance, media, tennis, etc. it's great for them to have so much options. But they all drain on the free time of a child and they have to make choices. I know we are never off the roads. But it's great to have them a taste of everything. And the reality is that football won't be for everyone. I think the GAA in the most part have a good structure in place. I know for years soccer would have been well behind in structure and organisation albeit they are catching up now (Tyrone). But I don't think it's a case of GAA not doing enough in the most part. It's just other sports are sorting themselves out now as well.
That said any coach that is putting winning a game ahead of game time for the kids at anything under u12 needs a word in their ear. Kids should get equal time in the most part.
We'd a "Night with the Stars" in our club about a month ago. The panel was Sambo McNaughton, Conor Laverty, Jarlath Burns and Brian Cody, ably hosted by Mark Sidebottom and one of the questions from the floor was "At what age should kids be training and playing to win games?"
Sambo gave examples of the Dall U12's he'd managed, similar Burns talked about they'd a coach who'd made it clear when he took an underage team that he was going out to win games and tournaments and Silverbridge U13's won an Armagh title for the first time in ages, Laverty didn't talk much about specifics but talked about they wanted Kilcoo teams to be brave when playing and the winning would come in it's own time...
Last up was Cody, as old school as you will get in terms of management, he never mentioned winning once, he talked about instilling the love of the game in the kids, talked about players that had went on to win numerous AI's with Kilkenny seniors, not getting on teams in their youth, Derek Lyng being one and the other I think he mentioned was Martin Comerford, weighed down with AI medals at senior now. He talked about some of the lads on his teams at senior never needing motivation, they just loved to train and play games. Sure, what would he know!
Winning = success and Losing = failure is an adult construct which children, especially young kids don't buy into.
I'd a daughter who played for our U14 camogs who were beaten out the gate by Bredagh the other night, she's only 10 and her first game at that level and the first thing I asked her was whether she enjoyed it and she did, she got about three touches of the ball and was delighted with herself. The fact that there was 30 plus points in the game, I'm not even sure she realised, maybe some of the older girls would be more conscious of that and certainly the coaches weren't making a thing of it and it's not a reflection on them either, win, lose or draw and the same wee girls will rock up to training as usual the next night and hopefully enjoy the comradeship and fun of playing camogie together for as long as possible in their lives.
Quote from: ONeill on April 27, 2023, 10:30:32 PM
I remember going to watch indoor bowls being played in east Tyrone when I was 14. This woman was throwing and got her skirt caught in her knickers and I was transfixed[/B. She was in her 60s but it didn't matter. Ever since, I've been mad about indoor bowls.
Is that the modern meaning of the word?
Quote from: onefineday on April 28, 2023, 01:08:38 AM
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 27, 2023, 12:14:06 PM
Quote from: onefineday on April 27, 2023, 01:08:15 AM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on April 25, 2023, 08:02:57 AM
In all the talk of giving up the summer to other sports in the split season there is never a mention of the fact that even when we had them there was nothing aimed at kids.
My nephew is glued to soccer clips and skills on YouTube. It's something the GAA need to look at.
A decent fantasy game and somewhere to get proper accurate stats could really make an impact on the younger generation too.
Like it or not it's very difficult to compete with the global appeal of soccer when it comes to YouTube, TikTok etc - moments like canavan's dummy solo and grugan's goal are great, but since kids don't know who half the players are, they're not going to have the same desire to watch them. Award 6 fantasy pts for a goal by a midfielder though and....
Also in terms of the younger generation for a huge chunk of them the fact that so many games are on TG4 is massively offputting.
Absolutely!!
I think I mentioned it elsewhere, surely we could have dual commentary options - hit the red button for bearla!!
Or they could try harder to facilitate those with a cupla focal. Would it be that hard to mention some common phrases that they might use during their commentary: "over the bar"; "wide"; "free kick to...". You're either fluent or you're lost. It's a missed opportunity imo.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on April 28, 2023, 10:30:58 PM
The GAA has the promotion of the Irish language as one of its aims.
Despite that, 99.9% of all GAA business is conducted in English.
An Irish language broadcasting service put lots of effort into bringing us games that nobody else has any interest in broadcasting.
We are complaining that the Irish language aspect of this service is damaging the GAA.
We're some country.
My simple response to this is that the Catholic Church once had an amazing gig going on in Ireland.
Full of rules. Full of aims. Full of processes. Full of expectations that people would not roll against it.
As an institution it has been decimated by the Information Age. People who had doubts, worries, concerns found each other and over a course of time initially a few, then more, then most of the rest, decided it wasn't worth the effort.
By accident more than anything else, the most competitive and enjoyable product in modern Gaelic Games is now delivered in an medium alongside Irish Language. Which most of us do not understand and for sone of us (not me personally) is actually a turn off.
The GAA can continue to lazily describe this output as promoting the aims of the organisation and the bigwigs can wallow in their glorious pursuit.
But somewhere along the line, if the people don't get the product they want, then attention will be turned elsewhere.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on April 28, 2023, 11:33:43 PM
And my simple response to that is that virtually none of the games that TG4 cover were covered by anyone else before they arrived and they continue to be covered by nobody else.
RTE simply has no interest in providing free to air access to these games weekend after weekend for 12 months of the year. They never have.
You are fighting the wrong fight. You are fighting a minuscule negative (among ignorant people) in a massive positive.
I know where you're coming from here. But I do think you're measuring things against the past instead of evaluating the future.
The league has, by virtue of semi-professionalism, become the value product in Gaelic Games. Not because of TG4, but because semi-professionalism means that until 24-26 counties are ejected, the championship is a car crash competition. The league now consistently produces better games. A d4 game is unfailingly more enjoyable to watch than a provincial first round match. A d1 game is unfailingly better value than a provincial semi final. It cannot and will never compete with the AI quarters and onwards.
But buried away in as Gaeilege, nor is it given the chance to.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on April 28, 2023, 11:53:06 PM
GAAGO and RTE get their pick of National League games each week so that's not quite the case, wobbler.
TG4 chase the club games, U17, U20 games up and down the country. Nobody else wants to do this.
You have the wrong bogeyman
TG4 had been brilliant. Yet should we ever reach a point in time where we can press a button to switch language, their viewing figures will rocket... and their hearts will fall. We all know that. It's the truth we have to accept.
Not a word of Irish do I know, nor ashamed to say it but TG4 for me is at the very heart of GAA, ploughing a lonely path. I never miss a game as it's recorded every week. I hope they never have the option of having an English translation button!
I think it's great that matches are in Irish on TG4.
I think it's great TG4 covers the (unsexy) Games.
I think TG4 cater for a minority group very well.
TG4 remind me of when local radio licences were given out back in the '80's and people outside of Dublin began to realise there was a world outside the Pale that could be catered to.
Quote from: thewobbler on April 28, 2023, 11:57:52 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on April 28, 2023, 11:53:06 PM
GAAGO and RTE get their pick of National League games each week so that's not quite the case, wobbler.
TG4 chase the club games, U17, U20 games up and down the country. Nobody else wants to do this.
You have the wrong bogeyman
TG4 had been brilliant. Yet should we ever reach a point in time where we can press a button to switch language, their viewing figures will rocket... and their hearts will fall. We all know that. It's the truth we have to accept.
Some great points wobbler. I'm just pro-choice is all, totally acknowledge tg4's trojan work (it should also be noted that it's cheap content and that tg4 has obligations to provide a certain percentage of indigenous programming), hope they keep it up and I'd be delighted to see gaago rights move to tg4 (with dual language option) when the commercial reality of the gaa's decision becomes clear to them at the end of the season.
The whole point of TG4 is to provide an Irish language service, regardless of the content.
Just because it's in Irish (and no other option available) means I'm not going to watch it.
I know no-one who has said I'm not watching that league game because it's in Irish. Are people on here saying they can't follow a game and see what's happeing bacause of the language?
Remember it was TG4 who brought the club scene alive then AIB came on board with the marketing.
The clue is in the name of the station.
Never ceases to amaze me at the number of "gaels" who moan about matches i nGaeilge ar Telefís Gaeilge!!
Tg4 showed the last 2 down u20 games. Its a fantastic service.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 30, 2023, 09:16:42 AM
Never ceases to amaze me at the number of "gaels" who moan about matches i nGaeilge ar Telefís Gaeilge!!
Never ceases to amaze me when people jump in with comments without bothering to inform themselves on the context.
Someone pointed out that having so much of our non championship gaa broadcast exclusively as gaeilge was not conducive to attracting kids used to the razzmatazz of the premier/champions league to follow games - some of us agreed and I suggested that a duel language option would be the ideal solution. I'm not entirely clear on why that is a problem.
Quote from: marty34 on April 30, 2023, 08:15:35 AM
The whole point of TG4 is to provide an Irish language service, regardless of the content.
Just because it's in Irish (and no other option available) means I'm not going to watch it.
I know no-one who has said I'm not watching that league game because it's in Irish. Are people on here saying they can't follow a game and see what's happeing bacause of the language?
Remember it was TG4 who brought the club scene alive then AIB came on board with the marketing.
The clue is in the name of the station.
I'd be pretty confident that the fact games are exclusively in Irish significantly detracts from viewership.
And as for the clue being in the name, are you trying to claim that the channel doesn't broadcast many programmes in English only?
As I mentioned previously, the station is required to broadcast a min no. of hours of Irish language each day - live sports are a relatively cheap and attractive way of doing that, precisely because viewers can tell what is going on without the commentary, but there's no doubt that good commentary adds significantly to the viewing experience, so the package would be more attractive if we had an English option
Quote from: onefineday on May 01, 2023, 12:54:23 AM
Quote from: marty34 on April 30, 2023, 08:15:35 AM
The whole point of TG4 is to provide an Irish language service, regardless of the content.
Just because it's in Irish (and no other option available) means I'm not going to watch it.
I know no-one who has said I'm not watching that league game because it's in Irish. Are people on here saying they can't follow a game and see what's happeing bacause of the language?
Remember it was TG4 who brought the club scene alive then AIB came on board with the marketing.
The clue is in the name of the station.
I'd be pretty confident that the fact games are exclusively in Irish significantly detracts from viewership.
And as for the clue being in the name, are you trying to claim that the channel doesn't broadcast many programmes in English only?
As I mentioned previously, the station is required to broadcast a min no. of hours of Irish language each day - live sports are a relatively cheap and attractive way of doing that, precisely because viewers can tell what is going on without the commentary, but there's no doubt that good commentary adds significantly to the viewing experience, so the package would be more attractive if we had an English option
As I say the clue's in the name. It's promoting Gaelic games and Laochra Gael etc. in Irish and you want the option in English.
Wtf?
Quote from: marty34 on May 01, 2023, 11:03:11 AM
Quote from: onefineday on May 01, 2023, 12:54:23 AM
Quote from: marty34 on April 30, 2023, 08:15:35 AM
The whole point of TG4 is to provide an Irish language service, regardless of the content.
Just because it's in Irish (and no other option available) means I'm not going to watch it.
I know no-one who has said I'm not watching that league game because it's in Irish. Are people on here saying they can't follow a game and see what's happeing bacause of the language?
Remember it was TG4 who brought the club scene alive then AIB came on board with the marketing.
The clue is in the name of the station.
I'd be pretty confident that the fact games are exclusively in Irish significantly detracts from viewership.
And as for the clue being in the name, are you trying to claim that the channel doesn't broadcast many programmes in English only?
As I mentioned previously, the station is required to broadcast a min no. of hours of Irish language each day - live sports are a relatively cheap and attractive way of doing that, precisely because viewers can tell what is going on without the commentary, but there's no doubt that good commentary adds significantly to the viewing experience, so the package would be more attractive if we had an English option
As I say the clue's in the name. It's promoting Gaelic games and Laochra Gael etc. in Irish and you want the option in English.
Wtf?
TG4 is about promoting the Irish language, it has no remit with regards to promoting gaelic games - it covers gaelic games as they are an efficient way of it meeting its statutory requirements to broadcast a minimum number of hours per day in the Irish language, whilst also having decent appeal to viewers that will help generate commercial income and subsidise other programming.
I'm not clear why the suggestion for an english language option is so terrifying - one could argue that it might help people transition and therefore align better with the long term goals of promoting the Irish language, for example if it were primarily english with a good sprinkling of gaelige thrown in, you'd think that would raise awareness and understanding.
Forcing the irish language down people's throats most patently doesn't work - the last 100 years of experience here in the south that show that, what's to fear about increasing choice?
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on May 01, 2023, 10:53:45 AM
Quote from: onefineday on May 01, 2023, 12:34:06 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 30, 2023, 09:16:42 AM
Never ceases to amaze me at the number of "gaels" who moan about matches i nGaeilge ar Telefís Gaeilge!!
Never ceases to amaze me when people jump in with comments without bothering to inform themselves on the context.
Someone pointed out that having so much of our non championship gaa broadcast exclusively as gaeilge was not conducive to attracting kids used to the razzmatazz of the premier/champions league to follow games - some of us agreed and I suggested that a duel language option would be the ideal solution. I'm not entirely clear on why that is a problem.
So much of our championship/non-championship GAA broadcasting is behind a paywall. If the GAA saw such to be a vehicle for enticing young people into the sport, surely they would make it free?
And surely that's where you should be directing your argument. Rather than attempting to undermine the cornerstone of the only Irish language station there is.
Ask questions of RTE and BBC and indeed the GAA as to why they aren't doing more to promote our games.
And I can tell you this for free.....not one child is gonna take up Gaelic games by listening to Dessie Dolan or Marty Morrissey talk pure scutter for 70 minutes.
I agree with you that the gaago decision is ridiculous from a promotional point of view, i absolutely disagree that the package in english wouldn't be a more attractive package, therefore enhancing the attractiveness of gaa to all. But, probably time to agree to disagree on this.