Very little chat about this. Game is on Saturday at 5pm at Brewster Park. It is also on BBC Sport NI.
Fermanagh trying to fool us into thinking they're more interested in selling houses but I don't think we'll have things too easy :D
And a Tyrone man won the house just to wind the Derry ones up even more.
Quote from: square_ball on April 11, 2023, 11:42:15 AM
And a Tyrone man won the house just to wind the Derry ones up even more.
Money goes to money ;D
Glass and McKaigue listed to start with McFaul on the bench.
Fermanagh team as expected but Quigley didn't make the squad which is a huge surprise.
Did an interview with Tommy and Oisin this week.
Connection ??
Out with hamstring injury.
Where a decent spot for a drink, pitch bit out of the main part of the town.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 14, 2023, 08:09:15 PM
Where a decent spot for a drink, pitch bit out of the main part of the town.
Their is a clubhouse on the grounds
They do a fine pint of Guinness
Been in the club house, it not be out bounds for ulster championship game?
Charlie's bar and Blake's of the hollow both beside each other be good bars before the game on a Saturday. No more than 10 min walk to Brewster park
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 15, 2023, 12:04:52 AM
Been in the club house, it not be out bounds for ulster championship game?
No
The board could easily produce a smart parking and refreshment guide to the GAA grounds of Ireland . It would be good to have it all in one place
When you mention parking, where is handy to park here, saying I parked in the ground previous
Are they sure that's a new pitch?
Fermanagh 0-3 Derry 1-7 Shane McGuigan with a fine goal.
Big gap between these two teams here. Fermanagh very poor.
Imagine cheering a goal like that against your own county. What a w**ker Gallagher is.
Jesus fermanagh are rank.
You think that dirty spittin p***k along the line would have more in him then to be leppin and jumping about roaring at every score, and him against his own home county.
Derry will learn nothing from this. Shocking showing from Fermanagh so far
Fermanagh and Joe McQuillan are poor!
If Fermanagh took a short kickout and didn't attack. What would derry do? If a team just passed the ball about in their own defence let derry sit back and keep the game low scoring until the last 15 mins.
Half time Fermanagh 0-5 Derry 2-9
Fermanagh goal and within seconds Derry win and score a penalty. 45 mins played Fermanagh 1-6 Derry 3-10
Very poor call to give peno for that
2nd goal for the Fermanagh full back.
Quote from: Itchy on April 15, 2023, 06:03:10 PM
Very poor call to give peno for that
Soft penalty but it's a free anywhere on the pitch
That was wide
Six goals conceded in two games a concern for Derry?
Derry are dodgy under thon high ball. Better teams will make them pay
Definitely worrying looks like complete panic stations anytime the ball goes in high!
Hopefully Derry have come through unscathed Lynch deserved motm he's been excellent.
Big gap between Fermanagh and Derry!
Full time Fermanagh 2-8 Derry 3-17. Game as a contest was over after 20 minutes.
Jesus you couldn't like that Gallagher man if you reared him. Would nearly make you support Tyrone against them in next round. (Nearly)
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 15, 2023, 06:20:42 PM
Six goals conceded in two games a concern for Derry?
I think when Glass and/or Mckeague aren't on the pitch can't be underestimated regarding this
Quote from: Schkite on April 15, 2023, 06:23:45 PM
Derry are dodgy under thon high ball. Better teams will make them pay
Teams only play the high ball when they are desperate
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 15, 2023, 06:48:51 PM
Jesus you couldn't like that Gallagher man if you reared him. Would nearly make you support Tyrone against them in next round. (Nearly)
I was thinking the same, always had a soft spot for Derry but that lad is horrible. His interview after the game was as ungracious as you'd expect. A horrible individual
Men and boys .
Fair play to Derry.
They will be hard to stop.
Pity there manager has absolutely zero class.
Quote from: FermGael on April 15, 2023, 07:46:31 PM
Men and boys .
Fair play to Derry.
They will be hard to stop.
Pity there manager has absolutely zero class.
He must really hate Fermanagh to conduct himself like that.
How Fermanagh set up in that game was bizarre. They gave themselves no chance.
Fermanagh set up was extremely strange.
Have no idea what the tactics were.
As for the Derry manager , his antics along the line were just despicable.
It's always been the Rory show and that's all it's about .
Quote from: Mario on April 15, 2023, 07:38:20 PM
Quote from: Schkite on April 15, 2023, 06:23:45 PM
Derry are dodgy under thon high ball. Better teams will make them pay
Teams only play the high ball when they are desperate
It's a perfectly good tactic that all teams should try a few times per game imo. No matter how good a full back/goal keeper are, no one likes having to deal with a high ball. As the saying goes, they have to be lucky every time, we only need to be lucky once.
Said it before. Rory is a one trick pony, very classless and it showed today. Same system as Donegal when he managed them, they have a few years left at this system but ultimately they will fail as its too difficult to maintain. Also the system relies on direction from Rory, not trusting the players to change it up as required.
Quote from: Itchy on April 15, 2023, 07:46:17 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 15, 2023, 06:48:51 PM
Jesus you couldn't like that Gallagher man if you reared him. Would nearly make you support Tyrone against them in next round. (Nearly)
I was thinking the same, always had a soft spot for Derry but that lad is horrible. His interview after the game was as ungracious as you'd expect. A horrible individual
Yeah that attitude and the hand spitting, a proper twat. Was asked today what they learned from the game and his answer was something like not much, it was over before half time. Didnt even give Fermanagh credit for lifting it in the second half and was totally dismissive of conceding the goals.
A shame really as I do like a lot of their players, Glass, McKaigue, Rodgers and McGuigan are all class players.
Quote from: screenexile on April 15, 2023, 06:28:45 PM
Definitely worrying looks like complete panic stations anytime the ball goes in high!
Hopefully Derry have come through unscathed Lynch deserved motm he's been excellent.
Big gap between Fermanagh and Derry!
There is. Tyrone
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 15, 2023, 07:56:48 PM
Said it before. Rory is a one trick pony, very classless and it showed today. Same system as Donegal when he managed them, they have a few years left at this system but ultimately they will fail as its too difficult to maintain. Also the system relies on direction from Rory, not trusting the players to change it up as required.
Tell me how the Derry setup differs from pretty much every other county in the country...? Start with Tyrone sure
Quote from: JoG2 on April 15, 2023, 08:30:53 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 15, 2023, 07:56:48 PM
Said it before. Rory is a one trick pony, very classless and it showed today. Same system as Donegal when he managed them, they have a few years left at this system but ultimately they will fail as its too difficult to maintain. Also the system relies on direction from Rory, not trusting the players to change it up as required.
Tell me how the Derry setup differs from pretty much every other county in the country...? Start with Tyrone sure
Easy. You don't see any other manger in the country roaring instructions at every second at their players. Shows he doesn't trust his players and also shows he wants it all about him. Also not every team rely solely on their starting 15, you seen what happened when glass went off against Dublin, Derry fell apart.
Tyrone can vary their attack by drifting in Con or Brian into the full forward for a long ball attack or via McCurry or canavan. Derrys attack relies on a pre set game plan.
Derry same as Donegal under Rory and Jim rely on their team getting ahead and keeping the lead. Derry can't claw back from behind as other top teams can.
Who in the Fermanagh set up was Gallagher aiming his celebration at after the second goal? Can understand an instinctive reaction to celebrate a big score the way he did initially, when he turned to his own men, but he definitely carried it on and went even harder with it looking towards the Fermanagh bench. That was just the actions of a p***k.
The handshake with Donnelly at the end was also pretty curt and near enough a chest barge between them.
Gallagher like that all the time in the 4yrs he's been there, you think people didn't see the way he acted before, or the fact you can heard him 80+m away
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on April 15, 2023, 08:54:55 PM
Gallagher's celebrations are always a bit mad. Not just today, even though today was particularly strange seeing as it was against his own county, and how it wasn't as if they were getting it tight.
It is very rare to see a manager celebrate goals the way he does. You could see through it if it was a winning goal in the dying seconds but it's every goal, including goals that put them 2 up in the first 10 minutes.
It is really strange behaviour.
Does he live in Donegal?
Quote from: JoG2 on April 15, 2023, 08:30:53 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 15, 2023, 07:56:48 PM
Said it before. Rory is a one trick pony, very classless and it showed today. Same system as Donegal when he managed them, they have a few years left at this system but ultimately they will fail as its too difficult to maintain. Also the system relies on direction from Rory, not trusting the players to change it up as required.
Tell me how the Derry setup differs from pretty much every other county in the country...? Start with Tyrone sure
Derry are playing identical to Tyrone 2016 to 2017
We never won ulster titles as easily, yet were never as easily swatted aside in HQ
Mugsy detailed it well, you need one style of play to do well in ulster and an entirely different one to do well in the AI series. Derry will never be brave enough to challenge for Sam
Specific examples of that: the captain mckaigie is a poor footballer, extremely limited. Derry wax lyrically about him. When did he last score a point from play? Would Tyrone have won Sam with Mckaigie in place of McNamee or Hampsey or McKernan?
Remember each of them scored from play in the semi final against Kerry. Small margins
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 15, 2023, 08:52:18 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on April 15, 2023, 08:30:53 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 15, 2023, 07:56:48 PM
Said it before. Rory is a one trick pony, very classless and it showed today. Same system as Donegal when he managed them, they have a few years left at this system but ultimately they will fail as its too difficult to maintain. Also the system relies on direction from Rory, not trusting the players to change it up as required.
Tell me how the Derry setup differs from pretty much every other county in the country...? Start with Tyrone sure
Easy. You don't see any other manger in the country roaring instructions at every second at their players. Shows he doesn't trust his players and also shows he wants it all about him. Also not every team rely solely on their starting 15, you seen what happened when glass went off against Dublin, Derry fell apart.
Tyrone can vary their attack by drifting in Con or Brian into the full forward for a long ball attack or via McCurry or canavan. Derrys attack relies on a pre set game plan.
Derry same as Donegal under Rory and Jim rely on their team getting ahead and keeping the lead. Derry can't claw back from behind as other top teams can.
Lol Con and Brian. 2 grafters. We'll see how good they are against Glass and Rogers. Kennedy won't have the legs.
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 15, 2023, 08:52:18 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on April 15, 2023, 08:30:53 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 15, 2023, 07:56:48 PM
Said it before. Rory is a one trick pony, very classless and it showed today. Same system as Donegal when he managed them, they have a few years left at this system but ultimately they will fail as its too difficult to maintain. Also the system relies on direction from Rory, not trusting the players to change it up as required.
Tell me how the Derry setup differs from pretty much every other county in the country...? Start with Tyrone sure
Easy. You don't see any other manger in the country roaring instructions at every second at their players. Shows he doesn't trust his players and also shows he wants it all about him. Also not every team rely solely on their starting 15, you seen what happened when glass went off against Dublin, Derry fell apart.
Tyrone can vary their attack by drifting in Con or Brian into the full forward for a long ball attack or via McCurry or canavan. Derrys attack relies on a pre set game plan.
Derry same as Donegal under Rory and Jim rely on their team getting ahead and keeping the lead. Derry can't claw back from behind as other top teams can.
Not easy then. Derry will leave a forward up the pitch from time to time, so that will fall into the 'varying the attack' as is rotating half backs into the forward area, also varying the attack. Gallagher may roar non stop but its more a nervous tick like the spitting than anything else. Most of the time the players don't even look in his direction when he's shouting at them
So, the lazy narrative is to say the Derry way when it's the way every county plays the game these days.
Derry 'clawed' their way back twice against Donegal in the Ulster final and against Dublin from 5 points down @ Celtic Park. Again, lazy analysis.
Quote from: God14 on April 15, 2023, 09:11:36 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on April 15, 2023, 08:30:53 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 15, 2023, 07:56:48 PM
Said it before. Rory is a one trick pony, very classless and it showed today. Same system as Donegal when he managed them, they have a few years left at this system but ultimately they will fail as its too difficult to maintain. Also the system relies on direction from Rory, not trusting the players to change it up as required.
Tell me how the Derry setup differs from pretty much every other county in the country...? Start with Tyrone sure
Derry are playing identical to Tyrone 2016 to 2017
We never won ulster titles as easily, yet were never as easily swatted aside in HQ
Mugsy detailed it well, you need one style of play to do well in ulster and an entirely different one to do well in the AI series. Derry will never be brave enough to challenge for Sam
Specific examples of that: the captain mckaigie is a poor footballer, extremely limited. Derry wax lyrically about him. When did he last score a point from play? Would Tyrone have won Sam with Mckaigie in place of McNamee or Hampsey or McKernan?
Remember each of them scored from play in the semi final against Kerry. Small margins
McKaigue, poor? The nerves are showing in Tyrone and youse haven't beat Monaghan yet! ;D
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 15, 2023, 08:52:18 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on April 15, 2023, 08:30:53 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 15, 2023, 07:56:48 PM
Said it before. Rory is a one trick pony, very classless and it showed today. Same system as Donegal when he managed them, they have a few years left at this system but ultimately they will fail as its too difficult to maintain. Also the system relies on direction from Rory, not trusting the players to change it up as required.
Tell me how the Derry setup differs from pretty much every other county in the country...? Start with Tyrone sure
Easy. You don't see any other manger in the country roaring instructions at every second at their players. Shows he doesn't trust his players and also shows he wants it all about him. Also not every team rely solely on their starting 15, you seen what happened when glass went off against Dublin, Derry fell apart.
Tyrone can vary their attack by drifting in Con or Brian into the full forward for a long ball attack or via McCurry or canavan. Derrys attack relies on a pre set game plan.
Derry same as Donegal under Rory and Jim rely on their team getting ahead and keeping the lead. Derry can't claw back from behind as other top teams can.
Derry attack relys on a pre set game plan? 11 different scorers, that's impressive.
They didn't go 6 points down to Dublin in celtic park either.
I don't think Derry will win Sam this year but they are a young team , I can live in hope.
And let's see Gallagher is not a good manager because he spits on his hands , directs his players vocally, I'd imagine they can't hear him most of the time any way, and he wears his heart on his sleeve in the celebrations when they score.
Having brought 3 different counties to an Ulster final and winning one of them, taking a totally demoralised county from div 4 to div 1 and picking up a provincial and AI semi on the way doesn't count.
Yep I can see the logic in all that.
11 starters scored from play today. Do we win a prize?
Half of FermGael's household happy with the result.
Yeah, you've won the "fcuk all" use prize, but sure 'twill be grand. 😉
Here Rory stop celebrating goals. You're upsetting a few lads.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 15, 2023, 09:48:27 PM
Yeah, you've won the "fcuk all" use prize, but sure 'twill be grand. 😉
It's a strange one, Fear. There's merit in either Derry or Tyrone losing the upcoming derby. Bit like 2001.
A lot of lazy stuff being said about Derry. "Can't chase a lead". Well we were well behind against Tyrone in the McKenna cup and came back to draw... well behind against the Dubs and came back to win. We were behind against Donegal in the Ulster Final a few times as well and came back to win.
As for Chrissy McKaigue being limited and not able to score?? This will maybe jog your memory...
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0211/851902-st-vincents-v-slaughtneill/
He's older now and has a much different role so I'm not too worried about him we're a better team defensively when he's there!
I think we're a step below the top 4 teams and somewhere among the Tyrone/Armagh/Roscommon/Monaghans which is phenomenal given where we were recently. I don't think we'll win an All Ireland but we've a young team who will be experiencing top level football for the next 2 years which I think can take us on to that next level.
Hopeful for this season but we're still more than capable of getting beat by Monaghan or that shower over the mountain.
When we get beat by whoever you'll hear cries of "the Derry experiment doesn't work" while people neglect to realise that it's already worked and we're back among the top 10 teams in the country again!
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Quote from: tyrone08 on April 15, 2023, 08:52:18 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on April 15, 2023, 08:30:53 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 15, 2023, 07:56:48 PM
Said it before. Rory is a one trick pony, very classless and it showed today. Same system as Donegal when he managed them, they have a few years left at this system but ultimately they will fail as its too difficult to maintain. Also the system relies on direction from Rory, not trusting the players to change it up as required.
Tell me how the Derry setup differs from pretty much every other county in the country...? Start with Tyrone sure
Easy. You don't see any other manger in the country roaring instructions at every second at their players. Shows he doesn't trust his players and also shows he wants it all about him. Also not every team rely solely on their starting 15, you seen what happened when glass went off against Dublin, Derry fell apart.
Tyrone can vary their attack by drifting in Con or Brian into the full forward for a long ball attack or via McCurry or canavan. Derrys attack relies on a pre set game plan.
Derry same as Donegal under Rory and Jim rely on their team getting ahead and keeping the lead. Derry can't claw back from behind as other top teams can.
Derry attack relys on a pre set game plan? 11 different scorers, that's impressive.
They didn't go 6 points down to Dublin in celtic park either.
I don't think Derry will win Sam this year but they are a young team , I can live in hope.
And let's see Gallagher is not a good manager because he spits on his hands , directs his players vocally, I'd imagine they can't hear him most of the time any way, and he wears his heart on his sleeve in the celebrations when they score.
Having brought 3 different counties to an Ulster final and winning one of them, taking a totally demoralised county from div 4 to div 1 and picking up a provincial and AI semi on the way doesn't count.
Yep I can see the logic in all that.
He didn't manage Derry from div 4 to 1.
You take any of the top sides in Ireland, bar Derry, and ask them who do they not want to meet. Derry will be high up on all lists.
Quote from: God14 on April 15, 2023, 09:11:36 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on April 15, 2023, 08:30:53 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 15, 2023, 07:56:48 PM
Said it before. Rory is a one trick pony, very classless and it showed today. Same system as Donegal when he managed them, they have a few years left at this system but ultimately they will fail as its too difficult to maintain. Also the system relies on direction from Rory, not trusting the players to change it up as required.
Tell me how the Derry setup differs from pretty much every other county in the country...? Start with Tyrone sure
Derry are playing identical to Tyrone 2016 to 2017
We never won ulster titles as easily, yet were never as easily swatted aside in HQ
Mugsy detailed it well, you need one style of play to do well in ulster and an entirely different one to do well in the AI series. Derry will never be brave enough to challenge for Sam
Specific examples of that: the captain mckaigie is a poor footballer, extremely limited. Derry wax lyrically about him. When did he last score a point from play? Would Tyrone have won Sam with Mckaigie in place of McNamee or Hampsey or McKernan?
Remember each of them scored from play in the semi final against Kerry. Small margins
Must be one of the worst takes I've seen on here in a while.
I thought BBC coverage was superb today.
Who was the anchor? She was excellent.
Quote from: ONeill on April 15, 2023, 10:19:51 PM
You take any of the top sides in Ireland, bar Derry, and ask them who do they not want to meet. Derry will be high up on all lists.
Derry are also afraid of Derry.
Derry are fairly good but we 2 short in the forwards, and not strong enough on the bench. Anybody in Derry knows this and don't expect to be near an All-Ireland. But we come a long way from Division 4. Game like that today, I though he give a few of the subs game time. That high ball into the square without Glass there sorta lost them a few times but the 2nd goal was simply poor defending as there were 2lads there and Cullen squeezed between them. Poor.
I seen McKeigue absolutely destroy Dermot Connolly. Now he used for a specific man-marker, bit off the pace after Injury but he's still a top defender.
Quote from: ONeill on April 15, 2023, 10:30:30 PM
Who was the anchor? She was excellent.
Yeah, she was good.
I like just 2 pundits as gives them more time each and go into more detail.
At the end, there was 4. Philly joined the other three and imo, it was too much. Everyone had to get a chance to talk etc.
Quote from: ONeill on April 15, 2023, 10:30:30 PM
Who was the anchor? She was excellent.
Sarah Mulkerrins. Superb, but there were no weak links.
Should let that team do The Sunday Game every week.
Quote from: marty34 on April 15, 2023, 10:40:13 PM
Quote from: ONeill on April 15, 2023, 10:30:30 PM
Who was the anchor? She was excellent.
Yeah, she was good.
I like just 2 pundits as gives them more time each and go into more detail.
At the end, there was 4. Philly joined the other three and imo, it was too much. Everyone had to get a chance to talk etc.
Don't think Philly was meant to arrive late. Walked past us with about 20 mins to throw in with a sheepish head on him like a teenager arriving into school late. Must have hit traffic on the way up :D
Derry won't want to meet Derry.....interesting.
Quote from: Silver hill on April 15, 2023, 10:55:18 PM
Derry won't want to meet Derry.....interesting.
They are not ruthless enough. There is a certain sloppiness eg the second goal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XBgMpufcSg
And they can't change system mid game. These are all weaknesses that no other team causes. Derry have to overcome them.
Quote from: God14 on April 15, 2023, 09:11:36 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on April 15, 2023, 08:30:53 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 15, 2023, 07:56:48 PM
Said it before. Rory is a one trick pony, very classless and it showed today. Same system as Donegal when he managed them, they have a few years left at this system but ultimately they will fail as its too difficult to maintain. Also the system relies on direction from Rory, not trusting the players to change it up as required.
Tell me how the Derry setup differs from pretty much every other county in the country...? Start with Tyrone sure
Derry are playing identical to Tyrone 2016 to 2017
We never won ulster titles as easily, yet were never as easily swatted aside in HQ
Mugsy detailed it well, you need one style of play to do well in ulster and an entirely different one to do well in the AI series. Derry will never be brave enough to challenge for Sam
Specific examples of that: the captain mckaigie is a poor footballer, extremely limited. Derry wax lyrically about him. When did he last score a point from play? Would Tyrone have won Sam with Mckaigie in place of McNamee or Hampsey or McKernan?
Remember each of them scored from play in the semi final against Kerry. Small margins
McKaigue a poor footballer. f**k I've heard some shite on this board at times but put the bottle down son. Chrissy is one of the best man markers in the game. He is isn't there to score points.
Few Tyrone ones seem to be getting their knickers in a twist about Derry. Great to see. Means we must be doing something right.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 15, 2023, 09:17:03 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 15, 2023, 08:52:18 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on April 15, 2023, 08:30:53 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 15, 2023, 07:56:48 PM
Said it before. Rory is a one trick pony, very classless and it showed today. Same system as Donegal when he managed them, they have a few years left at this system but ultimately they will fail as its too difficult to maintain. Also the system relies on direction from Rory, not trusting the players to change it up as required.
Tell me how the Derry setup differs from pretty much every other county in the country...? Start with Tyrone sure
Easy. You don't see any other manger in the country roaring instructions at every second at their players. Shows he doesn't trust his players and also shows he wants it all about him. Also not every team rely solely on their starting 15, you seen what happened when glass went off against Dublin, Derry fell apart.
Tyrone can vary their attack by drifting in Con or Brian into the full forward for a long ball attack or via McCurry or canavan. Derrys attack relies on a pre set game plan.
Derry same as Donegal under Rory and Jim rely on their team getting ahead and keeping the lead. Derry can't claw back from behind as other top teams can.
Lol Con and Brian. 2 grafters. We'll see how good they are against Glass and Rogers. Kennedy won't have the legs.
We will see indeed. Ulster will be Derrys limit
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 15, 2023, 11:19:53 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 15, 2023, 09:17:03 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 15, 2023, 08:52:18 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on April 15, 2023, 08:30:53 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 15, 2023, 07:56:48 PM
Said it before. Rory is a one trick pony, very classless and it showed today. Same system as Donegal when he managed them, they have a few years left at this system but ultimately they will fail as its too difficult to maintain. Also the system relies on direction from Rory, not trusting the players to change it up as required.
Tell me how the Derry setup differs from pretty much every other county in the country...? Start with Tyrone sure
Easy. You don't see any other manger in the country roaring instructions at every second at their players. Shows he doesn't trust his players and also shows he wants it all about him. Also not every team rely solely on their starting 15, you seen what happened when glass went off against Dublin, Derry fell apart.
Tyrone can vary their attack by drifting in Con or Brian into the full forward for a long ball attack or via McCurry or canavan. Derrys attack relies on a pre set game plan.
Derry same as Donegal under Rory and Jim rely on their team getting ahead and keeping the lead. Derry can't claw back from behind as other top teams can.
Lol Con and Brian. 2 grafters. We'll see how good they are against Glass and Rogers. Kennedy won't have the legs.
We will see indeed. Ulster will be Derrys limit
Strange as it sound, I'd back Derry to beat Tyrone well, but I'd give Tyrone a better chance than Derry against the likes of Kerry/Galway/Dublin/Mayo.
Quote from: JoG2 on April 15, 2023, 09:21:05 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 15, 2023, 08:52:18 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on April 15, 2023, 08:30:53 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 15, 2023, 07:56:48 PM
Said it before. Rory is a one trick pony, very classless and it showed today. Same system as Donegal when he managed them, they have a few years left at this system but ultimately they will fail as its too difficult to maintain. Also the system relies on direction from Rory, not trusting the players to change it up as required.
Tell me how the Derry setup differs from pretty much every other county in the country...? Start with Tyrone sure
Easy. You don't see any other manger in the country roaring instructions at every second at their players. Shows he doesn't trust his players and also shows he wants it all about him. Also not every team rely solely on their starting 15, you seen what happened when glass went off against Dublin, Derry fell apart.
Tyrone can vary their attack by drifting in Con or Brian into the full forward for a long ball attack or via McCurry or canavan. Derrys attack relies on a pre set game plan.
Derry same as Donegal under Rory and Jim rely on their team getting ahead and keeping the lead. Derry can't claw back from behind as other top teams can.
Not easy then. Derry will leave a forward up the pitch from time to time, so that will fall into the 'varying the attack' as is rotating half backs into the forward area, also varying the attack. Gallagher may roar non stop but its more a nervous tick like the spitting than anything else. Most of the time the players don't even look in his direction when he's shouting at them
So, the lazy narrative is to say the Derry way when it's the way every county plays the game these days.
Derry 'clawed' their way back twice against Donegal in the Ulster final and against Dublin from 5 points down @ Celtic Park. Again, lazy analysis.
So your analysis is Derry beat a Donegal team on the decline and a Dublin team in Derrys home pitch.
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Said it before. Rory is a one trick pony, very classless and it showed today. Same system as Donegal when he managed them, they have a few years left at this system but ultimately they will fail as its too difficult to maintain. Also the system relies on direction from Rory, not trusting the players to change it up as required.
Tell me how the Derry setup differs from pretty much every other county in the country...? Start with Tyrone sure
Easy. You don't see any other manger in the country roaring instructions at every second at their players. Shows he doesn't trust his players and also shows he wants it all about him. Also not every team rely solely on their starting 15, you seen what happened when glass went off against Dublin, Derry fell apart.
Tyrone can vary their attack by drifting in Con or Brian into the full forward for a long ball attack or via McCurry or canavan. Derrys attack relies on a pre set game plan.
Derry same as Donegal under Rory and Jim rely on their team getting ahead and keeping the lead. Derry can't claw back from behind as other top teams can.
Lol Con and Brian. 2 grafters. We'll see how good they are against Glass and Rogers. Kennedy won't have the legs.
We will see indeed. Ulster will be Derrys limit
Strange as it sound, I'd back Derry to beat Tyrone well, but I'd give Tyrone a better chance than Derry against the likes of Kerry/Galway/Dublin/Mayo.
I agree. Think Derry will win ulster but won't win an AI or get to a final. Tyrone won't win either. Think it's either mayo or kerry this year.
For the record I don't have any issue with Derry. I was there cheering them on when they won the AI. I however don't like Rorys personality or approach to football, setting 8 men in front of a person taking a 45 for example or the constant booing which seems to follow his teams for opposition frees.
I simply think his approach is limited to winning an ulster title and that's it
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Said it before. Rory is a one trick pony, very classless and it showed today. Same system as Donegal when he managed them, they have a few years left at this system but ultimately they will fail as its too difficult to maintain. Also the system relies on direction from Rory, not trusting the players to change it up as required.
Tell me how the Derry setup differs from pretty much every other county in the country...? Start with Tyrone sure
Easy. You don't see any other manger in the country roaring instructions at every second at their players. Shows he doesn't trust his players and also shows he wants it all about him. Also not every team rely solely on their starting 15, you seen what happened when glass went off against Dublin, Derry fell apart.
Tyrone can vary their attack by drifting in Con or Brian into the full forward for a long ball attack or via McCurry or canavan. Derrys attack relies on a pre set game plan.
Derry same as Donegal under Rory and Jim rely on their team getting ahead and keeping the lead. Derry can't claw back from behind as other top teams can.
Lol Con and Brian. 2 grafters. We'll see how good they are against Glass and Rogers. Kennedy won't have the legs.
We will see indeed. Ulster will be Derrys limit
Strange as it sound, I'd back Derry to beat Tyrone well, but I'd give Tyrone a better chance than Derry against the likes of Kerry/Galway/Dublin/Mayo.
I agree. Think Derry will win ulster but won't win an AI or get to a final. Tyrone won't win either. Think it's either mayo or kerry this year.
Mayo for the All Ireland, were you influenced by the Joe Biden speech last night?
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Said it before. Rory is a one trick pony, very classless and it showed today. Same system as Donegal when he managed them, they have a few years left at this system but ultimately they will fail as its too difficult to maintain. Also the system relies on direction from Rory, not trusting the players to change it up as required.
Tell me how the Derry setup differs from pretty much every other county in the country...? Start with Tyrone sure
Easy. You don't see any other manger in the country roaring instructions at every second at their players. Shows he doesn't trust his players and also shows he wants it all about him. Also not every team rely solely on their starting 15, you seen what happened when glass went off against Dublin, Derry fell apart.
Tyrone can vary their attack by drifting in Con or Brian into the full forward for a long ball attack or via McCurry or canavan. Derrys attack relies on a pre set game plan.
Derry same as Donegal under Rory and Jim rely on their team getting ahead and keeping the lead. Derry can't claw back from behind as other top teams can.
Not easy then. Derry will leave a forward up the pitch from time to time, so that will fall into the 'varying the attack' as is rotating half backs into the forward area, also varying the attack. Gallagher may roar non stop but its more a nervous tick like the spitting than anything else. Most of the time the players don't even look in his direction when he's shouting at them
So, the lazy narrative is to say the Derry way when it's the way every county plays the game these days.
Derry 'clawed' their way back twice against Donegal in the Ulster final and against Dublin from 5 points down @ Celtic Park. Again, lazy analysis.
So your analysis is Derry beat a Donegal team on the decline and a Dublin team in Derrys home pitch.
"To claw, or not to claw? That is the question—Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer The declining DL' s and arrows of outrageous fortunist Dubs".
Enjoy the game tomorrow t08. Should set up a mighty semi-final.
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Said it before. Rory is a one trick pony, very classless and it showed today. Same system as Donegal when he managed them, they have a few years left at this system but ultimately they will fail as its too difficult to maintain. Also the system relies on direction from Rory, not trusting the players to change it up as required.
Tell me how the Derry setup differs from pretty much every other county in the country...? Start with Tyrone sure
Easy. You don't see any other manger in the country roaring instructions at every second at their players. Shows he doesn't trust his players and also shows he wants it all about him. Also not every team rely solely on their starting 15, you seen what happened when glass went off against Dublin, Derry fell apart.
Tyrone can vary their attack by drifting in Con or Brian into the full forward for a long ball attack or via McCurry or canavan. Derrys attack relies on a pre set game plan.
Derry same as Donegal under Rory and Jim rely on their team getting ahead and keeping the lead. Derry can't claw back from behind as other top teams can.
Lol Con and Brian. 2 grafters. We'll see how good they are against Glass and Rogers. Kennedy won't have the legs.
We will see indeed. Ulster will be Derrys limit
Strange as it sound, I'd back Derry to beat Tyrone well, but I'd give Tyrone a better chance than Derry against the likes of Kerry/Galway/Dublin/Mayo.
I agree. Think Derry will win ulster but won't win an AI or get to a final. Tyrone won't win either. Think it's either mayo or kerry this year.
Mayo for the All Ireland, were you influenced by the Joe Biden speech last night?
LOL. Every year is mayo year. Think they are in a good shout this year.
Quote from: on the sideline on April 15, 2023, 08:56:57 PM
Who in the Fermanagh set up was Gallagher aiming his celebration at after the second goal? Can understand an instinctive reaction to celebrate a big score the way he did initially, when he turned to his own men, but he definitely carried it on and went even harder with it looking towards the Fermanagh bench. That was just the actions of a p***k.
The handshake with Donnelly at the end was also pretty curt and near enough a chest barge between them.
Why did Rory lose Fermanagh job? That's the question
The Rory show was in full flow today, celebrating the goals against his home county like that was classless. I thought not letting the keeper speak after he got the MOM award showed a complete lack of trust in his players, if anyone speaks it's got to be Rory
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Who was the anchor? She was excellent.
Yeah, she was good.
I like just 2 pundits as gives them more time each and go into more detail.
At the end, there was 4. Philly joined the other three and imo, it was too much. Everyone had to get a chance to talk etc.
Don't think Philly was meant to arrive late. Walked past us with about 20 mins to throw in with a sheepish head on him like a teenager arriving into school late. Must have hit traffic on the way up :D
saw him too, looked like he was out for a walk in the park, coat in hand, still a legend though
I was hoping when Harte took the Louth gig that would be the end of him with the punditry. Murphy a great addition!
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The Rory show was in full flow today, celebrating the goals against his home county like that was classless. I thought not letting the keeper speak after he got the MOM award showed a complete lack of trust in his players, if anyone speaks it's got to be Rory
Jeebus Rory gettin the blame for all! Ye ever think maybe the Lynch boy shy on it etc which is what i got from it. Plenty valid points about Rory on here but maybe not this one
I rather Gallagher talk away and let the players play the fball. Think to extend it takes pressure of the players, and if it goes belly up, he still stand up and take the blame.
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The Rory show was in full flow today, celebrating the goals against his home county like that was classless. I thought not letting the keeper speak after he got the MOM award showed a complete lack of trust in his players, if anyone speaks it's got to be Rory
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The Rory show was in full flow today, celebrating the goals against his home county like that was classless. I thought not letting the keeper speak after he got the MOM award showed a complete lack of trust in his players, if anyone speaks it's got to be Rory
Slightly bending that to suit the narrative PMG. Watched it again and Lynchy nods to RG as if you can talk here I'm away. McGrogan spoke afterwards to BBC, Doherty spoke on OTB.
Gallagher is a lunatic on the sideline but apart from the constant spitting on his hands I wouldn't get too worked up about the rest of his antics. It's almost like he slips in and out of character when he dons the bainisteoir bib. He's an excellent coach with a proven track record and players enjoy playing for him.
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I was hoping when Harte took the Louth gig that would be the end of him with the punditry. Murphy a great addition!
Harte craves the attention.
He certainly seemed very angry at fermanagh yesterday.
As much as I don't want to like murphy, he's actually a really good pundit. Pick of the bunch yesterday. Compared toe the rte pick, bbc are miles ahead.
The anchor was excellent.
Live commentary is excellent too.
Not as sure on gilligan or the presenter on the line, but in general a really good show.
Derry were slightly disappointing in the 2nd half
But the game was over so it could be that loss of focus was a result of that. I don't think we're as bad as that under high ball typically, but we were certainly ball watching for one of the goals.
As good as Lynch was yesterday, my motm was mcevoy.
Really strong in defence and attack, never put a foot wrong.
We need to get more out of Nial O too. Just doesn't seem to get the scores his hard work merits.
Benny looks to me like he may be used as an impact sub this year but likewise, needs to score more.
I don't get what Benny Heron adds to Derry or why Gallagher continues to share him or be the first sub in.
Conor Doherty was poor yesterday. As was Niall toner and Niall Loughlin.
Toner is too easy blocked and there isn't an end product for all Niall's endeavour.
McAvoy is a thoroughbred, class act.
Lynch was excellent yesterday but I still get nervous and think he will eventually get caught out.
Great to see Mccloskey getting a score. He's been brilliant and we can get more out of him as a scorer with his pace, especially fisted points.
Shane was excellent. A real threat.
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I don't get what Benny Heron adds to Derry or why Gallagher continues to share him or be the first sub in.
Conor Doherty was poor yesterday. As was Niall toner and Niall Loughlin.
Toner is too easy blocked and there isn't an end product for all Niall's endeavour.
McAvoy is a thoroughbred, class act.
Lynch was excellent yesterday but I still get nervous and think he will eventually get caught out.
Great to see Mccloskey getting a score. He's been brilliant and we can get more out of him as a scorer with his pace, especially fisted points.
Shane was excellent. A real threat.
Yes you can probably question the ability of those 3 up front to rack up big scores but one thing they give the team is a ferocious work rate.
Maybe Murray/McWilliams/O'Donnell can offer more of a scoring threat but will they put the work in to get up and down the pitch as is required by the Derry game plan?
Watching Gallagher again there on TSG, does he not trust his players to carry out his plans without his constant barking?
His goal celebrations were utter cringe and 100% for the camera. Couldn't like him if you reared him.
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I don't get what Benny Heron adds to Derry or why Gallagher continues to share him or be the first sub in.
Conor Doherty was poor yesterday. As was Niall toner and Niall Loughlin.
Toner is too easy blocked and there isn't an end product for all Niall's endeavour.
McAvoy is a thoroughbred, class act.
Lynch was excellent yesterday but I still get nervous and think he will eventually get caught out.
Great to see Mccloskey getting a score. He's been brilliant and we can get more out of him as a scorer with his pace, especially fisted points.
Shane was excellent. A real threat.
Yes you can probably question the ability of those 3 up front to rack up big scores but one thing they give the team is a ferocious work rate.
Maybe Murray/McWilliams/O'Donnell can offer more of a scoring threat but will they put the work in to get up and down the pitch as is required by the Derry game plan?
Benny scored a few goals last year.
Nial Louglin would have taken frees but doesn't seem to be doing that this year so his scoring stats are low.
Toner racked up a few points during the league and did get on the scoresheet yesterday.
But as you say, their workrate is immense. Tactically it might make sense to have the work horses on for the the first 3/4s then bring on the score getters in the final quarter?
Worrying thing for me is that Monaghan racked up a score against Tyrone just 1 goal short of what we scored against Fermanagh. I feel we should have scored much more in this game. Or maybe, Tyrone's defence are just woeful.
Mckinless, Loughlin, Doherty (to a lesser extent) have all dropped off in form compared to last year. Thankfully tad had a good game. Still would like to see Murray start as he's a serious talent. Perhaps they are keeping him for u20s
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Mckinless, Loughlin, Doherty (to a lesser extent) have all dropped off in form compared to last year. Thankfully tad had a good game. Still would like to see Murray start as he's a serious talent. Perhaps they are keeping him for u20s
I doubt Gallagher is keeping anyone for u20s. Agree about Murray's talent but outside of Dublin game in Celtic park he hasn't had a big impact on any game yet (he did score in AI semi but game was over). Maybe Gallagher thinks he isn't ready yet.
Disagree big time on Doherty, he has been excellent all year and was again on Sat. He's one of the best wing half forwards in the country. I'd say his only quiet game was the league final and i think he was played out of position in that one due to injuries. His change of direction to beat a man is brilliant and always picks the right pass.
Loughlin still worth his place but agree he hasn't been as good as last year - has missed a good few goal chances.
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Mckinless, Loughlin, Doherty (to a lesser extent) have all dropped off in form compared to last year. Thankfully tad had a good game. Still would like to see Murray start as he's a serious talent. Perhaps they are keeping him for u20s
I doubt Gallagher is keeping anyone for u20s. Agree about Murray's talent but outside of Dublin game in Celtic park he hasn't had a big impact on any game yet (he did score in AI semi but game was over). Maybe Gallagher thinks he isn't ready yet.
Disagree big time on Doherty, he has been excellent all year and was again on Sat. He's one of the best wing half forwards in the country. I'd say his only quiet game was the league final and i think he was played out of position in that one due to injuries. His change of direction to beat a man is brilliant and always picks the right pass.
Loughlin still worth his place but agree he hasn't been as good as last year - has missed a good few goal chances.
I would have said Conor Doherty hasn't played as well as he did last year. He's been steady but just not as good as last year.
Ethan has been excellent I've no problem with how he's been playing.
Think a thing is too that other teams know plenty more about Derry and who to mark. I expect Derry to beat Monaghan as thought tyrone had a chances in first half for goals if they made an extra pass which Derry are v good at
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Mckinless, Loughlin, Doherty (to a lesser extent) have all dropped off in form compared to last year. Thankfully tad had a good game. Still would like to see Murray start as he's a serious talent. Perhaps they are keeping him for u20s
I doubt Gallagher is keeping anyone for u20s. Agree about Murray's talent but outside of Dublin game in Celtic park he hasn't had a big impact on any game yet (he did score in AI semi but game was over). Maybe Gallagher thinks he isn't ready yet.
Disagree big time on Doherty, he has been excellent all year and was again on Sat. He's one of the best wing half forwards in the country. I'd say his only quiet game was the league final and i think he was played out of position in that one due to injuries. His change of direction to beat a man is brilliant and always picks the right pass.
Loughlin still worth his place but agree he hasn't been as good as last year - has missed a good few goal chances.
Ah jaysus Mario I'm on about Conor. Not Ethan. Never slag a fellow Watty :)
Derry are on the road to nowhere unless they get McFaul back into that team soon.
Cant have a telented baller like that sitting scratching himself on the sideline. Doesnt make sense.
One of those forwards mentioned, watch the game and tell me how many times he actually touched the ball, Derry still need a couple of scoring forwards, look at Cavanan and, McCurry, McManus and McCarron to a lesser extend, they got scoring outlets, we nearly limited to high scores from McGuigan.
I was surprised we didnt see McFaul in action over the weekend.
A perfect opportunity to start him in a game that realistically we were always going to win. RG would get to see what shape hes in and also give Conor more time to recover from the hamstring.
Only reason i can see against it would be the message it sends to his other subs although i dont think Rory has ever been too bothered about that.
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One of those forwards mentioned, watch the game and tell me how many times he actually touched the ball, Derry still need a couple of scoring forwards, look at Cavanan and, McCurry, McManus and McCarron to a lesser extend, they got scoring outlets, we nearly limited to high scores from McGuigan.
Toner actually had a great league for Derry. He scored 3-11 in total and maybe only a couple of them were frees. Outside of McGuigan, he was our main scoring threat in Division 2. Comparing with the other two forwards mentioned earlier - Heron scored 0-6 and Loughlin 1-02 (1f) in the league. Out of those three I'd say Heron had the least time on the pitch.
But Gallagher values that work rate from the ff line, the tracking back, being a nuisance, doing a specific job.
The fact that Derry have had a great spread of scorers throughout the league and even against Fermanagh - 11 in total, slightly masks the fact that a lot is dependant on McGuigan.
Plus, the way that Derry are playing means that it is easier for those runners coming through, breaking the lines, to get scores.
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One of those forwards mentioned, watch the game and tell me how many times he actually touched the ball, Derry still need a couple of scoring forwards, look at Cavanan and, McCurry, McManus and McCarron to a lesser extend, they got scoring outlets, we nearly limited to high scores from McGuigan.
Toner actually had a great league for Derry. He scored 3-11 in total and maybe only a couple of them were frees. Outside of McGuigan, he was our main scoring threat in Division 2. Comparing with the other two forwards mentioned earlier - Heron scored 0-6 and Loughlin 1-02 (1f) in the league. Out of those three I'd say Heron had the least time on the pitch.
But Gallagher values that work rate from the ff line, the tracking back, being a nuisance, doing a specific job.
The fact that Derry have had a great spread of scorers throughout the league and even against Fermanagh - 11 in total, slightly masks the fact that a lot is dependant on McGuigan.
Plus, the way that Derry are playing means that it is easier for those runners coming through, breaking the lines, to get scores.
Of course it would be great to have another high scoring forward like mcguigan, but we dont.
I still think the players we have are the best available for the type of game we play. The fermanagh game McGuigan didn't play his normal game where he was out the field a lot, he spent a lot more time closer to goals and that somewhat explains the high score rate. The penalty in the mix bumps it up too.
If we can get Nial/Toner/Heron/Murray chipping in with a few more scores we'd be in a great position as Cassidy and Ethan doherty will certainly privide scores from half forward. Even just a couple of points a game each from these guys would make a huge difference.
I still wouldnt be too worried about us not scoring enough at the moment, our main worry is conceding goals.
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I was surprised we didnt see McFaul in action over the weekend.
A perfect opportunity to start him in a game that realistically we were always going to win. RG would get to see what shape hes in and also give Conor more time to recover from the hamstring.
Only reason i can see against it would be the message it sends to his other subs although i dont think Rory has ever been too bothered about that.
Think he actually had a slight quad twinge hence not risked.
Quote from: 5times5times on April 16, 2023, 10:27:52 PM
Watching Gallagher again there on TSG, does he not trust his players to carry out his plans without his constant barking?
His goal celebrations were utter cringe and 100% for the camera. Couldn't like him if you reared him.
Absolutely for the camera. Very disrespectful to his home county too.