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When a number of Irish woman's soccer players were recorded singing Celtic Symphony there were 10 pages of comments on the FAI thread. They were dragged through the media, north and south, and forced into a grovelling apology. The FAI were fined.
Yesterday Leinster Rugby played the song over the Tannoy system during the post match parade. This is the 2nd time this has been done. Leinster players too have been previously recorded singing the same song
https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/watch-delighted-leinster-players-singing-16335270
Hardly a murmur over on the Irish rugby thread.
So it's clear there is classism at play here but is the same classism at play on the gaaboard - working class young women are fair game but rugger men from affluent Dublin aren't?
Quote from: Itchy on January 02, 2023, 12:15:37 PM
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When a number of Irish woman's soccer players were recorded singing Celtic Symphony there were 10 pages of comments on the FAI thread. They were dragged through the media, north and south, and forced into a grovelling apology. The FAI were fined.
Yesterday Leinster Rugby played the song over the Tannoy system during the post match parade. This is the 2nd time this has been done. Leinster players too have been previously recorded singing the same song
https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/watch-delighted-leinster-players-singing-16335270
Hardly a murmur over on the Irish rugby thread.
So it's clear there is classism at play here but is the same classism at play on the gaaboard - working class young women are fair game but rugger men from affluent Dublin aren't?
Our national broadcaster is based in Donnybook.
The Gaaboard does not lead the media cacophony on this. If the Newsletter says nothing there is no issue.
Anyway I honestly think the Unionists tore the arse out of it last time. Pauw apologised and everything but they went on for another 3 days.
Quote from: seafoid on January 02, 2023, 12:37:56 PM
The Gaaboard does not lead the media cacophony on this. If the Newsletter says nothing there is no issue.
Anyway I honestly think the Unionists tore the arse out of it last time. Pauw apologised and everything but they went on for another 3 days.
Newsletter hardly gets RTE going does it?
In that video they aren't singing oh ah up the ra... have you a longer clip?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 02, 2023, 12:54:38 PM
In that video they aren't singing oh ah up the ra... have you a longer clip?
Yeh I've loads of clips thats why I sent you a link from dublinlive.
Quote from: Itchy on January 02, 2023, 01:07:47 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 02, 2023, 12:54:38 PM
In that video they aren't singing oh ah up the ra... have you a longer clip?
Yeh I've loads of clips thats why I sent you a link from dublinlive.
Would be better to hear the d4's singing up the ra though
There is definitely an ability to close down this from the rugby old boys network. There is a real sacred cow thing with Irish Rugby and there are some online arguing the chorus wasn't even played.
Also, despite their best efforts it is not Rugby Country and a soccer story will always be bigger.
What next??
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfJSZvpXkAEbWe4?format=jpg&name=medium)
Is that the supporters or players?
If you up load one with the players then you can compare it better
As for the tannoy doing it it's not the players which load the songs
Never understood playing irish tunes for what is basically a foreign soccer club. Pity Irish people wouldn't get behind local soccer teams instead of UK based teams.
Quote from: Itchy on January 02, 2023, 12:47:24 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 02, 2023, 12:37:56 PM
The Gaaboard does not lead the media cacophony on this. If the Newsletter says nothing there is no issue.
Anyway I honestly think the Unionists tore the arse out of it last time. Pauw apologised and everything but they went on for another 3 days.
Newsletter hardly gets RTE going does it?
It did the last time. The Irish media did the mea culpa for a few hours after Pauw apoligised. The Unionist media continued for a few more days.
The Wolf tones on twitter today
QuoteWhy the need to apologise ... maybe those complaining should actually listen to the song in context ... the usual suspects make yet another attempt to alienate Irish songs
Are Irish people ashamed of their history? Didn't the IRA's campaign achieve (partial) independence?
Listen to the words of most national anthems in the world and you'll find similar words as those in Wolfe Tones songs (we shot our neighbours, drove them out of our country , sunk their ships , stole all their gold/sheep etc ) yet they're sung with pride at sporting events and such things.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 02, 2023, 01:40:53 PM
Never understood playing irish tunes for what is basically a foreign soccer club. Pity Irish people wouldn't get behind local soccer teams instead of UK based teams.
Celtic isn't as foreign as Bayern Munich.
I don't think future playings of this song will get much attention. There was a touch of the boy who cried wolf about the unionist reaction to the first time.
Quote from: seafoid on January 02, 2023, 04:07:56 PM
I don't think future playings of this song will get much attention. There was a touch of the boy who cried wolf about the unionist reaction to the first time.
Don't know why you keep saying unionist reaction. Southern media piled in on the girls last time.
Quote from: Itchy on January 02, 2023, 04:23:00 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 02, 2023, 04:07:56 PM
I don't think future playings of this song will get much attention. There was a touch of the boy who cried wolf about the unionist reaction to the first time.
Don't know why you keep saying unionist reaction. Southern media piled in on the girls last time.
They piled on for one day because of the unionist reaction. If the unionist reaction was to say it was a nothing burger the Indo would not have joined in.
1 day? Have you gone full west Brit?
Here from a search on one paper website, and I've left out many other articles.
Nov 30th
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/glorifying-ira-terrorism-young-people-dont-have-the-same-rawness-their-parents-might-have-42183428.html
Oct 29th
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/most-irish-people-do-not-believe-singing-up-the-ra-glorifies-ira-poll-finds-42104274.html
Oct 17th
https://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/irish-news/martin-says-there-is-no-growing-tolerance-of-violence-after-ira-videos-rows-42073524.html
Oct 13th
https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/ireland-player-who-put-ira-chant-video-online-is-in-tears-and-devastated-says-manager-vera-pauw-42062899.html
Oct 12th
https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/womens-world-cup/police-scotland-now-making-enquiries-after-vera-pauw-and-ireland-team-apologise-over-players-ira-chant-42060513.html
https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/sky-deal-with-irish-womens-team-is-not-to-be-affected-despite-ira-chant-controversy-42062541.html
https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2018/sep/30/stephen-rea-british-identity-is-dwindling-brexit-samuel-beckett-cyprus-avenue
The Belfast I grew up in was a pre-Troubles city, so not progressive in any meaningful way. Put simply, they would not do anything the Free State [Ireland] did. They got rid of the Irish language, they banned the Irish flag, all that stuff."
Unionists were, and still are, cut off not just from Catholics and from Ireland, but from the world. It's pure isolation. And it is so drummed into the young that they cannot let go of these views."