The big two again, or any other contenders?
Quote from: Dire Ear on July 31, 2022, 12:39:27 PM
The big two again, or any other contenders?
Maybe tottenham, maybe. Or else they'll just replace Chelsea in 3rd.
Wouldn't count out Chelsea. Tuchel is good, and very impressed that he got rid of Lukaku despite the gigantic fee and big loss. He knew he'd be better with the big lump out of the club.
Chelsea, Spurs,
Arsenal and Man United will be stronger.
Who ever gets out in front between the top two after Christmas will win the League.
Quote from: Dire Ear on July 31, 2022, 12:39:27 PM
The big two again, or any other contenders?
Liverpool's title to lose with Manchester City waiting and hoping for another slip up.
Tottenham,Chelsea should battle it out for 3rd spot. Arsenal and Manchester United fighting over a 5th place finish.
Relegation battle between the three that got promoted Brentford, Leeds and perhaps Everton again?
Liverpool will win it.
Not convinced Citeh have replaced Sterling, Fernandinho and Jesus adequately. That plus Guardiola focusing relentlessly on the elusive European title means Liverpool to win in the home stretch by 5points.
Liverpool should be better going forward and City are better defensively. I thought City were significantly better in the run-in last year and not sure that will change.
Liverpool were well the better team yesterday, and better prepared, but Liverpool still gave up plenty of chances. The defending for the goal was poor, not helped by Adrian in goal, but Trent's 'defending' for it was nothing short of comical. But as a Liverpool fan, we just have to live with that given the uber exciting attacking strategy employed and I wouldn't swap Trent for anyone.
A lot will depend on, in particular, how good Haaland is, and also how good Philips is.
But overall the bookies have City strong favourites (Boyles have City 4/7 with 5/2 for Liverpool) and there's good reasons for those odds
Quote from: Hound on July 31, 2022, 05:51:04 PM
Liverpool should be better going forward and City are better defensively. I thought City were significantly better in the run-in last year and not sure that will change.
Liverpool might be better going forward but all depends on Nunez. We have lost Mane and that's massive.
City haven't added anyone defensively so not sure how they are better unless you throw Phillips in alongside Rodri but then that has a detrimental affect in them offensively.
The one blessing we have with Nunez over Haaland is we don't need to start him. We have Bobby and Jota who already play there. Also does Haaland pick up a few injuries?
Think it's between Chelsea and Spurs for 3rd mostly down to the managers they have. G. Jesus has started on fire so would think Arsenal are favs for 5th. Utd haven't added much, maybe they will before the end of the window but that is never ideal. Who starts out of Varane, Maguire and the new fella? Ten Hag better be able to get some note out of them because at the min they are still starting with McFred and that just ain't good enough.
Well that's sorted that.. good price too
Yep PP all paid out an all. Have to say Liverpool looked very sharp. Long road ahead and citeh's squad remains stacked. We'll see.
No idea how the relegation battle will work out. Forest seem to have bought a sh*t load of players. Of course Fulham did the same and went straight back down a few years ago. Villa did it and scraped survival.
Liverpool lacking in midfield depth.
Fully fit first 11's they beat City, but only just.
It's when the odd injury comes along as inevitably they do that City are better placed to cope.
Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs a bit behind that but a bit ahead of West ham and Man U.
Quote from: johnnycool on August 01, 2022, 10:58:13 AM
Liverpool lacking in midfield depth.
Fully fit first 11's they beat City, but only just.
It's when the odd injury comes along as inevitably they do that City are better placed to cope.
Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs a bit behind that but a bit ahead of West ham and Man U.
I actually think City could have left themselves a bit short with the summer transfer business. Halaand, Alverez and Philips in, but they are loosing Sterling,Jesus, fernadinho and Zinchenko who played alot of minutes between them over the past few seasons.
Fernandinho will be hard to replace. Will be interesting to see how they go with a traditional no 9. A big change for a Pep team.
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Quote from: johnnycool on August 01, 2022, 10:58:13 AM
Liverpool lacking in midfield depth.
Fully fit first 11's they beat City, but only just.
It's when the odd injury comes along as inevitably they do that City are better placed to cope.
Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs a bit behind that but a bit ahead of West ham and Man U.
I actually think City could have left themselves a bit short with the summer transfer business. Halaand, Alverez and Philips in, but they are loosing Sterling,Jesus, fernadinho and Zinchenko who played alot of minutes between them over the past few seasons.
I think if Liverpool keep their major players fit they're the better team, but City have the depth and with the new substitute rules will achieve 90 points as a given, then it depends how many after that. It's a big challenge for Liverpool to consistently match that, especially as it'll probably take 92 or 93 points to win it.
In saying that Haaland's signing is for the Champions League, and it's what the owners will want, especially in the season of a Qatar World Cup, so if the two or three Liverpool players they require stay fit they might be able to chase City down.
United will improve and finish third, with Southamton, Bournemouth and Leeds to go down in my opinion.
1. City bought Haaland just so no one else can have him
2. £100m man Grealish not getting a look in, he's top class but Pep can't make it work, shambles
3. Pep doesn't like big personalities, Haaland will be his new Zlatan
4. Boring as fvck cheating ba$tards
Quote from: tiempo on August 01, 2022, 12:49:51 PM
1. City bought Haaland just so no one else can have him
2. £100m man Grealish not getting a look in, he's top class but Pep can't make it work, shambles
3. Pep doesn't like big personalities, Haaland will be his new Zlatan
4. Boring as fvck cheating ba$tards
Yeah I think being exciting and not winning the league is far better
World Cup will have a massive say in who wins the league this year. 5 weeks away from their clubs for players. Playing in 40C heat is bound to have its toll. It will obviously depend on what countries get to what stage of the WC and what players that involves. Will be interesting the fixtures around Christmas and who has the squad depth to be able to give certain players a rest.
I reckon Liverpool will win with City 2nd, Spurs 3rd and Chelsea 4th.
But, I could easily switch Arsenal or United into 4th.
Bournemouth, Fulham to go back down and I've a feeling Everton could be a mess.
Quote from: meatsy86 on August 01, 2022, 01:11:22 PM
World Cup will have a massive say in who wins the league this year. 5 weeks away from their clubs for players. Playing in 40C heat is bound to have its toll. It will obviously depend on what countries get to what stage of the WC and what players that involves. Will be interesting the fixtures around Christmas and who has the squad depth to be able to give certain players a rest.
Big help to Liverpool Salah not going.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on August 01, 2022, 01:19:49 PM
I reckon Liverpool will win with City 2nd, Spurs 3rd and Chelsea 4th.
But, I could easily switch Arsenal or United into 4th.
Bournemouth, Fulham to go back down and I've a feeling Everton could be a mess.
I agree with you about Everton, wouldn't be at all surprised to see them go. Frank might be the first manager to get the chop also.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 01, 2022, 12:54:20 PM
Quote from: tiempo on August 01, 2022, 12:49:51 PM
1. City bought Haaland just so no one else can have him
2. £100m man Grealish not getting a look in, he's top class but Pep can't make it work, shambles
3. Pep doesn't like big personalities, Haaland will be his new Zlatan
4. Boring as fvck cheating ba$tards
Yeah I think being exciting and not winning the league is far better
19 teams won't win the league, a bit of sporting integrity wouldn't go amiss
Pep's dilemma was Haaland playing for Madrid, Bayern, Chelsea, other was going to make their challenge for the CL more difficult, so he bought the brute to save himself the hassle
I'd rather be a Liverpool supporter and come second than be a Man City fan and win the lot, the league itself is compromised due to financial doping as you know
Quote from: tiempo on August 01, 2022, 01:53:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 01, 2022, 12:54:20 PM
Quote from: tiempo on August 01, 2022, 12:49:51 PM
1. City bought Haaland just so no one else can have him
2. £100m man Grealish not getting a look in, he's top class but Pep can't make it work, shambles
3. Pep doesn't like big personalities, Haaland will be his new Zlatan
4. Boring as fvck cheating ba$tards
Yeah I think being exciting and not winning the league is far better
19 teams won't win the league, a bit of sporting integrity wouldn't go amiss
Pep's dilemma was Haaland playing for Madrid, Bayern, Chelsea, other was going to make their challenge for the CL more difficult, so he bought the brute to save himself the hassle
I'd rather be a Liverpool supporter and come second than be a Man City fan and win the lot, the league itself is compromised due to financial doping as you know
I'd rather be a Man City supporter and come second than be a Liverpool fan and win the lot, the league itself is compromised due to Liverpool players all having asthma as you know
Quote from: laoislad on August 01, 2022, 01:52:24 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on August 01, 2022, 01:19:49 PM
I reckon Liverpool will win with City 2nd, Spurs 3rd and Chelsea 4th.
But, I could easily switch Arsenal or United into 4th.
Bournemouth, Fulham to go back down and I've a feeling Everton could be a mess.
I agree with you about Everton, wouldn't be at all surprised to see them go. Frank might be the first manager to get the chop also.
get in Idrissa Gueye he'll make a power of difference to Everton who's midfield has been a big achilles heel.
He was some spud in his day and I know he's early 30's now, but can only be an upgrade on Gomez/Davies/Allan/An other...
Barkley would be a poor signing even on a free but Batshuayi might be worth the punt.
But yes, I can see Everton struggle badly if DCL isn't bagging them in on a regular basis.
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 01, 2022, 01:52:00 PM
Quote from: meatsy86 on August 01, 2022, 01:11:22 PM
World Cup will have a massive say in who wins the league this year. 5 weeks away from their clubs for players. Playing in 40C heat is bound to have its toll. It will obviously depend on what countries get to what stage of the WC and what players that involves. Will be interesting the fixtures around Christmas and who has the squad depth to be able to give certain players a rest.
Big help to Liverpool Salah not going.
The world cup could be a big factor alright, from a Liverpool point of view the worrying thing is pretty much all of thier midfeild - Fabinho, henderson, Thiago, Kieta - will be going to the world cup and are all either over 30 or injury prone ( or both)
The form of Jones/ Carvalho/Elliot when needed could be really important.
Kasper Schmeichel on his way to Nice!
Hard to believe he is nearly 36!
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11712/12664044/kasper-schmeichel-leicester-goalkeeper-set-for-nice-medical-after-agreement-reached (https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11712/12664044/kasper-schmeichel-leicester-goalkeeper-set-for-nice-medical-after-agreement-reached)
Quote from: laoislad on August 01, 2022, 01:55:02 PM
Quote from: meatsy86 on August 01, 2022, 01:11:22 PM
World Cup will have a massive say in who wins the league this year. 5 weeks away from their clubs for players. Playing in 40C heat is bound to have its toll. It will obviously depend on what countries get to what stage of the WC and what players that involves. Will be interesting the fixtures around Christmas and who has the squad depth to be able to give certain players a rest.
Won't be near 40c more like 29-30c that time of year plus all the stadiums have air conditioning systems put in to cool the entire stadium.
Not ideal having it when it is in the middle of a season but I don't think heat will be as big a factor as some think.
The December World Cup will arse up the Premiership season rather than the GAA season
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Quote from: laoislad on August 01, 2022, 01:55:02 PM
Quote from: meatsy86 on August 01, 2022, 01:11:22 PM
World Cup will have a massive say in who wins the league this year. 5 weeks away from their clubs for players. Playing in 40C heat is bound to have its toll. It will obviously depend on what countries get to what stage of the WC and what players that involves. Will be interesting the fixtures around Christmas and who has the squad depth to be able to give certain players a rest.
Won't be near 40c more like 29-30c that time of year plus all the stadiums have air conditioning systems put in to cool the entire stadium.
Not ideal having it when it is in the middle of a season but I don't think heat will be as big a factor as some think.
The December World Cup will arse up the Premiership season rather than the GAA season
Those Ballyhale hoors love a good soccer match and if they're preparing for a Leinster title challenge or AI series game they'll be wanting the game moved.
Who doesn't love watching Norway vrs Cameroon?
Quote from: johnnycool on August 01, 2022, 02:51:22 PM
Quote from: laoislad on August 01, 2022, 01:52:24 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on August 01, 2022, 01:19:49 PM
I reckon Liverpool will win with City 2nd, Spurs 3rd and Chelsea 4th.
But, I could easily switch Arsenal or United into 4th.
Bournemouth, Fulham to go back down and I've a feeling Everton could be a mess.
I agree with you about Everton, wouldn't be at all surprised to see them go. Frank might be the first manager to get the chop also.
get in Idrissa Gueye he'll make a power of difference to Everton who's midfield has been a big achilles heel.
He was some spud in his day and I know he's early 30's now, but can only be an upgrade on Gomez/Davies/Allan/An other...
Barkley would be a poor signing even on a free but Batshuayi might be worth the punt.
But yes, I can see Everton struggle badly if DCL isn't bagging them in on a regular basis.
DCL out with a knee injury, 3 months allegedly..
Here comes Rondon, Everton are fucked...
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/62354857 (https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/62354857)
Quote from: gawa316 on August 04, 2022, 05:20:14 PM
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/62354857 (https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/62354857)
I'll have some of what Rob Green is smoking if he thinks Utd can finish 2nd..
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Quote from: laoislad on August 01, 2022, 01:52:24 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on August 01, 2022, 01:19:49 PM
I reckon Liverpool will win with City 2nd, Spurs 3rd and Chelsea 4th.
But, I could easily switch Arsenal or United into 4th.
Bournemouth, Fulham to go back down and I've a feeling Everton could be a mess.
I agree with you about Everton, wouldn't be at all surprised to see them go. Frank might be the first manager to get the chop also.
get in Idrissa Gueye he'll make a power of difference to Everton who's midfield has been a big achilles heel.
He was some spud in his day and I know he's early 30's now, but can only be an upgrade on Gomez/Davies/Allan/An other...
Barkley would be a poor signing even on a free but Batshuayi might be worth the punt.
But yes, I can see Everton struggle badly if DCL isn't bagging them in on a regular basis.
DCL out with a knee injury, 3 months allegedly..
Here comes Rondon, Everton are fucked...
Bookies seem to disagree
https://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/relegation
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Quote from: gawa316 on August 04, 2022, 05:20:14 PM
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/62354857 (https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/62354857)
I'll have some of what Rob Green is smoking if he thinks Utd can finish 2nd..
Interesting. I wonder what his thinking is.
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Quote from: gawa316 on August 04, 2022, 05:20:14 PM
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/62354857 (https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/62354857)
I'll have some of what Rob Green is smoking if he thinks Utd can finish 2nd..
Interesting. I wonder what his thinking is.
35 point swing needed
My only hope for this season is that somewhere along the line City become a normal good team instead of a relentless machine, and that 85 points might be enough for the title. Could be an interesting season if that happens. But if they continue to push for mid 90s and above, frankly it's all a waste of time.
I think it'll be Liverpool as champions then City, Chelsea & Spurs the rest of the top 4 and the three promoted teams relegated.
After a long hiatus both Leeds and Forest are back in the shining light but they have no money compared to the incumbents.
Brian Clough didn't need £1bn to win the European Cup. Man City still haven't won it.
Quote from: seafoid on August 05, 2022, 11:43:44 AM
After a long hiatus both Leeds and Forest are back in the shining light but they have no money compared to the incumbents.
Brian Clough didn't need £1bn to win the European Cup. Man City still haven't won it.
Brian Clough had big spending power of that time. Bought an expensive player and first million pound player. Good recruitment part of his success.
When the Premier League started, Man Utd had 7 titles.
Liverpool had 18
Chelsea had 1.
Man City had 2
The Premier League is a money racket
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_League_First_Division#
Klopp out
Quote from: seafoid on August 05, 2022, 12:53:10 PM
When the Premier League started, Man Utd had 7 titles.
Liverpool had 18
Chelsea had 1.
Man City had 2
The Premier League is a money racket
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_League_First_Division#
When the Premier League started, Man Utd had 1 European Cup/Champions League.
Liverpool had 4
Forest had 2
Chelsea had 0
Man City had 0
Spurs had 0
Arsenal 0
Arsenal had 0
Jees Bunker you really dont like Arsenal
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Jees Bunker you really dont like Arsenal
Sorry unaware duplication! Used to have a soft spot for Arsenal in the late 70's early 80's when they had a Plethora of Irish (incl Northen Irish) lads1
Strange seeing no sponsorship logos on the Nottingham Forrest teams tops
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Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on August 06, 2022, 01:30:03 PM
Jees Bunker you really dont like Arsenal
Sorry unaware duplication! Used to have a soft spot for Arsenal in the late 70's early 80's when they had a Plethora of Irish (incl Northen Irish) lads1
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Quote from: seafoid on August 05, 2022, 12:53:10 PM
When the Premier League started, Man Utd had 7 titles.
Liverpool had 18
Chelsea had 1.
Man City had 2
The Premier League is a money racket
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_League_First_Division#
Poor Oldham Athletic are in the Conference now. Or whatever it's called.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 06, 2022, 04:29:42 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 05, 2022, 12:53:10 PM
When the Premier League started, Man Utd had 7 titles.
Liverpool had 18
Chelsea had 1.
Man City had 2
The Premier League is a money racket
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_League_First_Division#
Poor Oldham Athletic are in the Conference now. Or whatever it's called.
Called the National League anymore. Notts County are there also!
After 28 games, Steven Gerrard's win % record at Aston Villa is the same as Gary Neville's at Valencia.
Won - 10
Drawn - 5
Lost - 13
Win % - 35%
Is that poor or ok for new managers... oh wait
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 06, 2022, 11:48:48 PM
After 28 games, Steven Gerrard's win % record at Aston Villa is the same as Gary Neville's at Valencia.
Won - 10
Drawn - 5
Lost - 13
Win % - 35%
Is that poor or ok for new managers... oh wait
Crazy post
Quote from: Kidder81 on August 06, 2022, 11:51:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 06, 2022, 11:48:48 PM
After 28 games, Steven Gerrard's win % record at Aston Villa is the same as Gary Neville's at Valencia.
Won - 10
Drawn - 5
Lost - 13
Win % - 35%
Is that poor or ok for new managers... oh wait
Crazy post
Came up on social media...probably not even true
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 07, 2022, 12:10:25 AM
Quote from: Kidder81 on August 06, 2022, 11:51:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 06, 2022, 11:48:48 PM
After 28 games, Steven Gerrard's win % record at Aston Villa is the same as Gary Neville's at Valencia.
Won - 10
Drawn - 5
Lost - 13
Win % - 35%
Is that poor or ok for new managers... oh wait
Crazy post
Came up on social media...probably not even true
Claudio Raneiri and Ronald Koeman did not last long at Valencia either, so I'd would not be to harsh on Gary.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 06, 2022, 04:29:42 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 05, 2022, 12:53:10 PM
When the Premier League started, Man Utd had 7 titles.
Liverpool had 18
Chelsea had 1.
Man City had 2
The Premier League is a money racket
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_League_First_Division#
Poor Oldham Athletic are in the Conference now. Or whatever it's called.
Oldham! That's who it was....
Saw a question yesterday. "Which of the inaugural Premier League teams are now non-league"
I know Luis Diaz was there 1st choice and he's been brilliant for Liverpool so far but your man Kulusevski has been some signing for spurs. Not a bad second choice.
Utd dreadful... new manager required
Nine Hag out
A nice welcome to the Premier League for Ten Hag. He's not in the Farmers Dutch league anymore.
Quote from: Turf on August 07, 2022, 02:52:23 PM
A nice welcome to the Premier League for Ten Hag. He's not in the Farmers Dutch league anymore.
He didn't have a midfield pairing of Fred, Mctominay and captain fantastic in Harry Maguire at Ajax.
I personally thought the pitches looked a bit dry
No penalty? What ??
Stonewall penalty not given to Brighton. VAR?
New season VAR still messing up decisions.
Never saw Danny Wellbeck play that well before.
Haaland is a bit useful, to puty it mildly
Quote from: keep her low this half on August 07, 2022, 06:01:37 PM
Haaland is a bit useful, to puty it mildly
Hasn't taken him long to settle and to the surprise of nobody.
Quote from: keep her low this half on August 07, 2022, 06:01:37 PM
Haaland is a bit useful, to puty it mildly
Indeed and Kalvin Phillips off the bench after 88 minutes. It's been a super human effort by Klopp and Liverpool to keep the title race somewhat interesting, but difficult to see them being able to sustain it this season against the current City squad.
I retain hope that losing Fernandinho Sterling Jesus and Zinchenko has left the squad a bit thin......clutching at straws i admit..
Spurs will push them this year
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 07, 2022, 08:59:35 PM
Spurs will push them this year
No they won't. Spursy plus World Cup going to be tough on their players.
Spurs do look a tight outfit this year. Could put up big scores.
Keane and Neville looked bored of talking about Utd. Keane just looks bored of the whole pundit thing. Good easy money but wouldn't be surprised if he heads back into management.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 07, 2022, 08:59:35 PM
Spurs will push them this year
Only it City drop by 10-15%, and the middle rung of sides rein in their beaten-before-they-go-out mentality when playing City. Spurs don't have a 90+ point season in them.
Spurs could be like West Ham the season Frank McAcennie and Tony Cottee ran riot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdoHPJdsKdE
No more classified football results
https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-62397375
A sporting tradition going back decades is no more - BBC Radio 5 Live will stop broadcasting the classified football results at 5pm on Saturdays.
"With the addition of the 5.30pm live Premier League match to our coverage, Sports Report has been condensed into a shorter programme," the BBC said.
The BBC said it would still offer goal updates throughout the day on air.
James Alexander Gordon read the results for more than 40 years before Charlotte Green took over the reins in 2013.
"We would like to thank everyone who has read the classified football results on 5 Live over the years," the BBC's statement continued.
The corporation added that fans could also keep across the results on the BBC Sport website and Final Score on BBC One. ...
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I reckon Liverpool will win with City 2nd, Spurs 3rd and Chelsea 4th.
But, I could easily switch Arsenal or United into 4th.
Bournemouth, Fulham to go back down and I've a feeling Everton could be a mess.
I agree with you about Everton, wouldn't be at all surprised to see them go. Frank might be the first manager to get the chop also.
get in Idrissa Gueye he'll make a power of difference to Everton who's midfield has been a big achilles heel.
He was some spud in his day and I know he's early 30's now, but can only be an upgrade on Gomez/Davies/Allan/An other...
Barkley would be a poor signing even on a free but Batshuayi might be worth the punt.
But yes, I can see Everton struggle badly if DCL isn't bagging them in on a regular basis.
DCL out with a knee injury, 3 months allegedly..
Here comes Rondon, Everton are fucked...
Coady in on loan, good move IMO, Onana also signs on, I know nothing about the lad, so not going to say he's the greatest thing since sliced bread as Everton fans have had loads of false dawns on that side of things. He's 6'4" so hopefully can head a ball at corners both ends of the field, Everton were inept at both last year.
Gueye would also be a good signing and that seems to be it, sorely missing a striker though.....
Geuye
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Quote from: laoislad on August 01, 2022, 01:52:24 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on August 01, 2022, 01:19:49 PM
I reckon Liverpool will win with City 2nd, Spurs 3rd and Chelsea 4th.
But, I could easily switch Arsenal or United into 4th.
Bournemouth, Fulham to go back down and I've a feeling Everton could be a mess.
I agree with you about Everton, wouldn't be at all surprised to see them go. Frank might be the first manager to get the chop also.
get in Idrissa Gueye he'll make a power of difference to Everton who's midfield has been a big achilles heel.
He was some spud in his day and I know he's early 30's now, but can only be an upgrade on Gomez/Davies/Allan/An other...
Barkley would be a poor signing even on a free but Batshuayi might be worth the punt.
But yes, I can see Everton struggle badly if DCL isn't bagging them in on a regular basis.
DCL out with a knee injury, 3 months allegedly..
Here comes Rondon, Everton are fucked...
Coady in on loan, good move IMO, Onana also signs on, I know nothing about the lad, so not going to say he's the greatest thing since sliced bread as Everton fans have had loads of false dawns on that side of things. He's 6'4" so hopefully can head a ball at corners both ends of the field, Everton were inept at both last year.
Gueye would also be a good signing and that seems to be it, sorely missing a striker though.....
Geuye
I thought Coady was a big Liverpool fan.
Decent player, strange he went from Captain at Wolves to not being wanted in the space of a few summer weeks.
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I reckon Liverpool will win with City 2nd, Spurs 3rd and Chelsea 4th.
But, I could easily switch Arsenal or United into 4th.
Bournemouth, Fulham to go back down and I've a feeling Everton could be a mess.
I agree with you about Everton, wouldn't be at all surprised to see them go. Frank might be the first manager to get the chop also.
get in Idrissa Gueye he'll make a power of difference to Everton who's midfield has been a big achilles heel.
He was some spud in his day and I know he's early 30's now, but can only be an upgrade on Gomez/Davies/Allan/An other...
Barkley would be a poor signing even on a free but Batshuayi might be worth the punt.
But yes, I can see Everton struggle badly if DCL isn't bagging them in on a regular basis.
DCL out with a knee injury, 3 months allegedly..
Here comes Rondon, Everton are fucked...
Coady in on loan, good move IMO, Onana also signs on, I know nothing about the lad, so not going to say he's the greatest thing since sliced bread as Everton fans have had loads of false dawns on that side of things. He's 6'4" so hopefully can head a ball at corners both ends of the field, Everton were inept at both last year.
Gueye would also be a good signing and that seems to be it, sorely missing a striker though.....
Geuye
I thought Coady was a big Liverpool fan.
Decent player, strange he went from Captain at Wolves to not being wanted in the space of a few summer weeks.
And?
(https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article21244193.ece/ALTERNATES/n310p/0_Steven-Gerrard-as-a-young-boy-wearing-an-Everton-kit.jpg)
Photoshopped ;D
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I reckon Liverpool will win with City 2nd, Spurs 3rd and Chelsea 4th.
But, I could easily switch Arsenal or United into 4th.
Bournemouth, Fulham to go back down and I've a feeling Everton could be a mess.
I agree with you about Everton, wouldn't be at all surprised to see them go. Frank might be the first manager to get the chop also.
get in Idrissa Gueye he'll make a power of difference to Everton who's midfield has been a big achilles heel.
He was some spud in his day and I know he's early 30's now, but can only be an upgrade on Gomez/Davies/Allan/An other...
Barkley would be a poor signing even on a free but Batshuayi might be worth the punt.
But yes, I can see Everton struggle badly if DCL isn't bagging them in on a regular basis.
DCL out with a knee injury, 3 months allegedly..
Here comes Rondon, Everton are fucked...
Coady in on loan, good move IMO, Onana also signs on, I know nothing about the lad, so not going to say he's the greatest thing since sliced bread as Everton fans have had loads of false dawns on that side of things. He's 6'4" so hopefully can head a ball at corners both ends of the field, Everton were inept at both last year.
Gueye would also be a good signing and that seems to be it, sorely missing a striker though.....
Geuye
I thought Coady was a big Liverpool fan.
Decent player, strange he went from Captain at Wolves to not being wanted in the space of a few summer weeks.
And?
(https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article21244193.ece/ALTERNATES/n310p/0_Steven-Gerrard-as-a-young-boy-wearing-an-Everton-kit.jpg)
I bet that's not even him, that's an Everton kit from the 80's when he wasn't born.
It's Gerrard. It gets rolled out as a "gotcha" against Liverpool fans but nobody really cares. Carragher was also an Everton fan growing up. Loyalties change.
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 10, 2022, 10:14:47 AM
It's Gerrard. It gets rolled out as a "gotcha" against Liverpool fans but nobody really cares. Carragher was also an Everton fan growing up. Loyalties change.
£££££ Exactly £££££
Gerrard won a penalty competition at goodison, winner wore an Everton kit with the trophies. Venue alternated every year between Anfield and goodison. Its a nothing story.
Quote from: markl121 on August 10, 2022, 10:38:35 AM
Gerrard won a penalty competition at goodison, winner wore an Everton kit with the trophies. Venue alternated every year between Anfield and goodison. Its a nothing story.
(http://img.allfootballapp.com/www/M00/1D/09/CgAGVmEThlKALhMiAACaZ8palG0415.jpg)
Jamie C won the same competition evidently..
;D
Carragher was openly an Everton fan. Gerrard wasn't. He also wore a Bryan Robson top as a kid cos he loved him as a player. Go find that photo
Was McManaman a blue as well?
Would guess most Liverpool supporters wouldn't be that bothered.
Mcmanaman and fowler were blues also. Pool fans dont give a shiny shite and the fact that some Blues care about Coady says plenty. The Benitez saga too. We not in the playground now lads
Quote from: Armamike on August 10, 2022, 11:31:27 AM
Was McManaman a blue as well?
Would guess most Liverpool supporters wouldn't be that bothered.
Nah couldn't care less. They've more than made up for it since then.
was going to say who the second ex Liverpool player was, but its Lonergan isn't it? man has a champions league medal ;D
Quote from: markl121 on August 10, 2022, 11:17:50 AM
Carragher was openly an Everton fan. Gerrard wasn't. He also wore a Bryan Robson top as a kid cos he loved him as a player. Go find that photo
Carra has often mentioned being at a Liverpool - Everton FA Cup final while supporting Everton. But he's turned completely now. Gary Neville doesn't hide that he prefers City winning the league to Liverpool, but I get the feeling from Carra that if United and Everton were in the title race, he'd prefer Everton not to win it.
Stevie G's dad used to bring him to Liverpool matches and his uncle brought him to Everton matches, but the latter happened far more often than the former as his dad hadn't the cash.
Liverpool fans wouldn't view him any differently no matter who he supported, but this is what he says:
'Up until the age of eight I could have supported anyone. When I was younger I had all kinds of different kits: Tottenham, Norwich, Real Madrid, Barcelona... I even had a United kit! We had a few Everton fans in the family who were trying to get me down the Blue road, but once I started understanding the game and listening to my dad and brother talk about Liverpool's great history, that was it."
On Coady, I think it's very good news for Everton
Does not matter a jot who they supported when they were kids, they have been part of the fabric of that club from the day they signed.
Coady was a season ticket holder in Anfield growing and was seen as Carras heir apparent in being a home grown, slow as f**k, defender. He was too slow as f**k though. One of the the reasons he had been doing well in Wolves was Nuno's ultra conservative 3 at the back tactic. He generally played the centre of the 3 and is a decent player and a good organiser. That's why Southgate likes him in the England squad. Once Wolves went to a back 4 his pace started to get exposed hence why he dropped down the pegging order.
This move is purely to get game time so that he can get into the England WC squad. He will be guaranteed a start for Everton but couldnt guarantee that at West Ham who also were looking at him on a permanent basis. He is a solid CB who will compliment Tarkowski. With the other likely signings of Onana and Gueye Lampard is creating Joe Royles Dogs of War mark 2.
Coady was a DM when on Liverpool books
As poor a set of forward options as has been seen in recent times. Pure madness if the window close with no additions.
Jees dele alli is finished. Just comes on tries to start rows..
City getting it tough! Haaland hasn't scored yet!! Pep out
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Are Everton in bother already? They were very poor today, didn't look like scoring at all until they got lucky with the own goal, they came to life a bit then and could have scraped a draw.
Good win for Villa and for Gerrard over Lampard.
Big Frank is overrated. Everton have structural problems on top.
De gea out!!
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De gea out!!
Errors becoming very frequent for him nowadays.
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De gea out!!
Errors becoming very frequent for him nowadays.
I'm watching the Dublin hurling championship, far better fare
The Ten Hag revolution.
This is brilliant ;D
Maybe they should change their jerseys at half time, they might not be able see each other 😜
We want 5 We want 5
This is truly stunning.
That fourth goal was absolute perfection.
Nine (nil) Hag out
Flicked it round to our ladies final and missed the other goals...
They are relegation contenders
4 minutes of injury time.. 1 for each goal ;D
Bet Eriksen wishes he stayed at Brentford?
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 13, 2022, 06:51:01 PM
Bet Eriksen wishes he stayed at Brentford?
I'm sure his bank manager feels different but on football level possibly
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This is truly stunning.
That was glorious.
You keep thinking surely sooner or later they will get their act in order and they can't go any lower, then they go and prove you wrong ;D
6 years after winning the European Cup, Man Utd were relegated. The Glazers might pull off a repeat.
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6 years after winning the European Cup, Man Utd were relegated. The Glazers might pull off a repeat.
They're 9 years behind schedule. They can't even get that right ;D
Mourinhio said that his greatest achievement was guiding Man. U to 2nd place in the league.
It prob was was when you think of it
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Bet Eriksen wishes he stayed at Brentford?
I'm sure his bank manager feels different but on football level possibly
To be fair he looked quiet content coming off.
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Bet Eriksen wishes he stayed at Brentford?
I'm sure his bank manager feels different but on football level possibly
To be fair he looked quiet content coming off.
His bank manager or Eriksen?
So after 5 or so years of seeing off everyone outside the top 4 with no more difficulty than a child learning to suck on a dummy, football's extraordinary disinterest in a level playing field has seen City being allowed to buy Haaland, and ensure that their almost every game is a procession.
It's 2 weeks in and I hate football on so many levels.
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So after 5 or so years of seeing off everyone outside the top 4 with no more difficulty than a child learning to suck on a dummy, football's extraordinary disinterest in a level playing field has seen City being allowed to buy Haaland, and ensure that their almost every game is a procession.
It's 2 weeks in and I hate football on so many levels.
Can't stop a club signing a player unfortunately. It's not like they used extortionate wealth to buy him either. City bought him for £4m more than what United paid for Martinez.
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So after 5 or so years of seeing off everyone outside the top 4 with no more difficulty than a child learning to suck on a dummy, football's extraordinary disinterest in a level playing field has seen City being allowed to buy Haaland, and ensure that their almost every game is a procession.
It's 2 weeks in and I hate football on so many levels.
Can't stop a club signing a player unfortunately. It's not like they used extortionate wealth to buy him either. City bought him for £4m more than what United paid for Martinez.
Because of a release clause ? It's what they are able to pay him in wages
Dean Henderson having a stormer for Forest today.
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So after 5 or so years of seeing off everyone outside the top 4 with no more difficulty than a child learning to suck on a dummy, football's extraordinary disinterest in a level playing field has seen City being allowed to buy Haaland, and ensure that their almost every game is a procession.
It's 2 weeks in and I hate football on so many levels.
Can't stop a club signing a player unfortunately. It's not like they used extortionate wealth to buy him either. City bought him for £4m more than what United paid for Martinez.
Because of a release clause ? It's what they are able to pay him in wages
Yep.
He's second only to Ronaldo in the PL.
It was basically City, United, Real Madrid or PSG.
30 mill plus to father/agent cant be arsed checking. So the 50 odd mill "fee" only part of it
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So after 5 or so years of seeing off everyone outside the top 4 with no more difficulty than a child learning to suck on a dummy, football's extraordinary disinterest in a level playing field has seen City being allowed to buy Haaland, and ensure that their almost every game is a procession.
It's 2 weeks in and I hate football on so many levels.
Being allowed to lol
How were they going to stop the most successful team of the last decade in the most lucrative league in the world signing a player for 51m, a relative bargain on all fronts given what some other players have gone for.
Also, they've played two games
Left it late however a good result for Tottenham as they look to finish the season in 3rd ahead of Chelsea.
Handbags at the end. Sky Sports trying to make a big deal out of it.
Quote from: thewobbler on August 14, 2022, 02:10:22 PM
So after 5 or so years of seeing off everyone outside the top 4 with no more difficulty than a child learning to suck on a dummy, football's extraordinary disinterest in a level playing field has seen City being allowed to buy Haaland, and ensure that their almost every game is a procession.
It's 2 weeks in and I hate football on so many levels.
I'm sure the reasons are genuine but Bournemouth made a number of changes yesterday which might give a clue into how other managers are now thinking. A game against City is becoming one or two to get out of the road, with more important games around the City fixtures.
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Handbags at the end. Sky Sports trying to make a big deal out of it.
Handbags after spurs 1st equalizer too. Contes gona be anything but boring tbh
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Quote from: thewobbler on August 14, 2022, 02:10:22 PM
So after 5 or so years of seeing off everyone outside the top 4 with no more difficulty than a child learning to suck on a dummy, football's extraordinary disinterest in a level playing field has seen City being allowed to buy Haaland, and ensure that their almost every game is a procession.
It's 2 weeks in and I hate football on so many levels.
Being allowed to lol
How were they going to stop the most successful team of the last decade in the most lucrative league in the world signing a player for 51m, a relative bargain on all fronts given what some other players have gone for.
Also, they've played two games
That's really my point. Football could only be a better spectacle if the authorities stepped in and prevented cartels. People laugh at the French league. That's what City are going to the PL.
Points need deducted from both clubs.
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So after 5 or so years of seeing off everyone outside the top 4 with no more difficulty than a child learning to suck on a dummy, football's extraordinary disinterest in a level playing field has seen City being allowed to buy Haaland, and ensure that their almost every game is a procession.
It's 2 weeks in and I hate football on so many levels.
Being allowed to lol
How were they going to stop the most successful team of the last decade in the most lucrative league in the world signing a player for 51m, a relative bargain on all fronts given what some other players have gone for.
Also, they've played two games
That's really my point. Football could only be a better spectacle if the authorities stepped in and prevented cartels. People laugh at the French league. That's what City are going to the PL.
Difference is the French league doesn't have other clubs who spend similar amounts to PSG
United have spent similar to City in the last decade
Chelsea wouldn't be far off it either and have a massive squad
City shouldn't be punished for being well coached and doing good transfer business while United have McTominay and Dalot still running about after spending £1bn
Liverpool should win this 3/4-1 now
Relegation 6-pointer.
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Relegation 6-pointer.
Liverpool should score 6 against Utd, 3 on the bounce for utd
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Relegation 6-pointer.
Liverpool should score 6 against Utd, 3 on the bounce for utd
3-0 defeat would be good result for Man Utd next week.
Pool utd and everton to go down. Save this tweet
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Relegation 6-pointer.
Liverpool should score 6 against Utd, 3 on the bounce for utd
3-0 defeat would be good result for Man Utd next week.
I dunno, Liverpool were very ordinary last night and in the bits I saw vs Fulham. They have a good few injuries and now Darwin will be missing also so are short on options up front with Jota still out.
Man United need a reaction after Brentford so what better game than Liverpool at home?
Liverpool look fragile at the back. Don't think it's going to be a 0-5 game like last season.
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At least Liverpool will still have their two biggest Derby games of the season.
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At least Liverpool will still have their two biggest Derby games of the season.
Manchester United aren't based in Liverpool.
Liverpool will still hammer Utd next Monday I'm afraid.
I say the league nearly gone already, and we only started. TV keep pushing the agenda of close contests ahead but I say City win it pulling up. Only interesting to see, is how far down the table Man Utd end up.
See Anderson is getting some abuse online for taking a head-butt to the nose! Wow
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See Anderson is getting some abuse online for taking a head-butt to the nose! Wow
I think the abuse is more likely due to the fact that he admitted to winding up Nunez.
Doesn't excuse the abuse or Nunez's utter stupidity, of course. Nunez will get a ban and should get a serious fine by the club. And the cops should be looking at anyone sending death or other types of threats.
Defender winds up attacker and gets online abuse.... Ok
Should be happening all the time then, as defenders will do that every week
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Defender winds up attacker and gets online abuse.... Ok
Should be happening all the time then, as defenders will do that every week
Well it usually goes unspoken of.
And likely would have again except Nunez behaved like a violent teenager and Andersen was probably a bit too forthcoming when asked for his side of the story.
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Defender winds up attacker and gets online abuse.... Ok
Should be happening all the time then, as defenders will do that every week
Are you shocked by this? This happens every week. Man United fans were racially abusing Rashford last season. Didn't a lot of the black England players get it also after missing the penos at the Euros.
Harry Maguire is constantly getting it from Man United and England fans on Twitter.
Twitter is a cesspit. The only surprise is someone is actually surprised by this.
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At least Liverpool will still have their two biggest Derby games of the season.
United are not a derby game!
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Defender winds up attacker and gets online abuse.... Ok
Should be happening all the time then, as defenders will do that every week
Are you shocked by this? This happens every week. Man United fans were racially abusing Rashford last season. Didn't a lot of the black England players get it also after missing the penos at the Euros.
Harry Maguire is constantly getting it from Man United and England fans on Twitter.
Twitter is a cesspit. The only surprise is someone is actually surprised by this.
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Newcastle leading the Oil rich Derby 3-1 a sign of things to come in the years ahead?
3-3 now Newcastle will need to spend some more cash on defenders.
Newcastle have spent surprisingly little since the Saudi takeover. Definitely not title challengers and unlikely to hold out versus the endless funds of City
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Newcastle have spent surprisingly little since the Saudi takeover. Definitely not title challengers and unlikely to hold out versus the endless funds of City
Newcastle will be looking top six and may very well get it if key players stay fit. Both City and Liverpool have dropped points to teams that have improved in Palace and the likes. Expect that to continue this season.
Arsenal are starting to look stronger, also Spurs but Chelsea seemed to have dropped off a bit, but on their day can get points anywhere.
Everton by the looks of it will do well to avoid relegation again....
Everton in bad shape this year JC. I think this could be the year :(
Surprising start for west ham. Moyes had them going well.
This one tonight will be interesting too. Moyes, ten haag and lampard may not see this side of christmas!
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Everton in bad shape this year JC. I think this could be the year :(
Surprising start for west ham. Moyes had them going well.
This one tonight will be interesting too. Moyes, ten haag and lampard may not see this side of christmas!
Add Gerrard to that list
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Everton in bad shape this year JC. I think this could be the year :(
Surprising start for west ham. Moyes had them going well.
This one tonight will be interesting too. Moyes, ten haag and lampard may not see this side of christmas!
Add Gerrard to that list
English press giving Gerrard an easy ride for what is a terrible record at Villa.
Read somewhere it is similar/worse that Neville's management record which says it all.
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Everton in bad shape this year JC. I think this could be the year :(
Surprising start for west ham. Moyes had them going well.
This one tonight will be interesting too. Moyes, ten haag and lampard may not see this side of christmas!
Add Gerrard to that list
English press giving Gerrard an easy ride for what is a terrible record at Villa.
Read somewhere it is similar/worse that Neville's management record which says it all.
What is Villa's expectation? 16th or 15th is realistic. They're playing Tyrone Mings at CH. He's worse than Maguire ffs.
Rodgers possibly gone from Leicester, few rumours goin around last night
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Everton in bad shape this year JC. I think this could be the year :(
Surprising start for west ham. Moyes had them going well.
This one tonight will be interesting too. Moyes, ten haag and lampard may not see this side of christmas!
Add Gerrard to that list
English press giving Gerrard an easy ride for what is a terrible record at Villa.
Read somewhere it is similar/worse that Neville's management record which says it all.
What is Villa's expectation? 16th or 15th is realistic. They're playing Tyrone Mings at CH. He's worse than Maguire ffs.
They're not as bad as newcastle but would perceive themselves as a big club.
Yeah forgot about Rodgers too.
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Everton in bad shape this year JC. I think this could be the year :(
Surprising start for west ham. Moyes had them going well.
This one tonight will be interesting too. Moyes, ten haag and lampard may not see this side of christmas!
Add Gerrard to that list
English press giving Gerrard an easy ride for what is a terrible record at Villa.
Read somewhere it is similar/worse that Neville's management record which says it all.
What is Villa's expectation? 16th or 15th is realistic. They're playing Tyrone Mings at CH. He's worse than Maguire ffs.
Wage bill is now top 10 in the league. Some reports have it as the 7th largest. Wages are a highly correlated indicator of finishing position. So bottom half is underachieving.
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Everton in bad shape this year JC. I think this could be the year :(
Surprising start for west ham. Moyes had them going well.
This one tonight will be interesting too. Moyes, ten haag and lampard may not see this side of christmas!
Add Gerrard to that list
English press giving Gerrard an easy ride for what is a terrible record at Villa.
Read somewhere it is similar/worse that Neville's management record which says it all.
What is Villa's expectation? 16th or 15th is realistic. They're playing Tyrone Mings at CH. He's worse than Maguire ffs.
Wage bill is now top 10 in the league. Some reports have it as the 7th largest. Wages are a highly correlated indicator of finishing position. So bottom half is underachieving.
I'd consider myself a pretty realistic fan... you have to be really, considering the dross we have had to contend with over the years. I think 9th would be about right with this current squad. The way Gerrard is going, that looks like pie in the sky.
I do think he's in trouble if things dont improve soon. The whole Sarr signing, on and off, makes things look even worse.
Lampard and Gerrard have got themselves managerial jobs on the back of their playing careers but neither strike me as particularly top class managers. Lampard has been very fortunate to get another decent job in the PL after getting sacked by Chelsea. If it wasn't for his connections he would never have got the job. Gerrard did have some success with Rangers but he was lucky that his stint coincided with a Celtic decline after Rodgers left. It wouldn't surprise me if neither see out the season. Talk of Rodgers and Moyes being under pressure is premature, both should have more than enough credit in the bank, their problem has been that their success has heightened expectations.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 22, 2022, 12:06:58 PM
Lampard and Gerrard have got themselves managerial jobs on the back of their playing careers but neither strike me as particularly top class managers. Lampard has been very fortunate to get another decent job in the PL after getting sacked by Chelsea. If it wasn't for his connections he would never have got the job. Gerrard did have some success with Rangers but he was lucky that his stint coincided with a Celtic decline after Rodgers left. It wouldn't surprise me if neither see out the season. Talk of Rodgers and Moyes being under pressure is premature, both should have more than enough credit in the bank, their problem has been that their success has heightened expectations.
Rodgers might jump first.
Leicester seem to be having a fire sale of their best players and nothing coming in to replace them.
Hard for any manager to do their job in those circumstances
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Lampard and Gerrard have got themselves managerial jobs on the back of their playing careers but neither strike me as particularly top class managers. Lampard has been very fortunate to get another decent job in the PL after getting sacked by Chelsea. If it wasn't for his connections he would never have got the job. Gerrard did have some success with Rangers but he was lucky that his stint coincided with a Celtic decline after Rodgers left. It wouldn't surprise me if neither see out the season. Talk of Rodgers and Moyes being under pressure is premature, both should have more than enough credit in the bank, their problem has been that their success has heightened expectations.
Rodgers might jump first.
Leicester seem to be having a fire sale of their best players and nothing coming in to replace them.
Hard for any manager to do their job in those circumstances
Would Everton take him? Seems only fair
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Quote from: yellowcard on August 22, 2022, 12:06:58 PM
Lampard and Gerrard have got themselves managerial jobs on the back of their playing careers but neither strike me as particularly top class managers. Lampard has been very fortunate to get another decent job in the PL after getting sacked by Chelsea. If it wasn't for his connections he would never have got the job. Gerrard did have some success with Rangers but he was lucky that his stint coincided with a Celtic decline after Rodgers left. It wouldn't surprise me if neither see out the season. Talk of Rodgers and Moyes being under pressure is premature, both should have more than enough credit in the bank, their problem has been that their success has heightened expectations.
Rodgers might jump first.
Leicester seem to be having a fire sale of their best players and nothing coming in to replace them.
Hard for any manager to do their job in those circumstances
No Manager resigns now, unless they are going to another job. They all hang on until they are sacked as they're due a pay out.
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Lampard and Gerrard have got themselves managerial jobs on the back of their playing careers but neither strike me as particularly top class managers. Lampard has been very fortunate to get another decent job in the PL after getting sacked by Chelsea. If it wasn't for his connections he would never have got the job. Gerrard did have some success with Rangers but he was lucky that his stint coincided with a Celtic decline after Rodgers left. It wouldn't surprise me if neither see out the season. Talk of Rodgers and Moyes being under pressure is premature, both should have more than enough credit in the bank, their problem has been that their success has heightened expectations.
Rodgers might jump first.
Leicester seem to be having a fire sale of their best players and nothing coming in to replace them.
Hard for any manager to do their job in those circumstances
Would Everton take him? Seems only fair
There is no chance that the Everton fans will accept another former Liverpool manager after the poisonous reign of Benitez. I've no doubt Rodgers would take it though, after all he walked out on Celtic for a better offer when he was only a few games away from winning the League title. Rogers has enough credit in the bank that he will get another PL job if one inevitably crops up should he suffer the sack. It wouldn't surprise me if he ended up at Villa.
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Lampard and Gerrard have got themselves managerial jobs on the back of their playing careers but neither strike me as particularly top class managers. Lampard has been very fortunate to get another decent job in the PL after getting sacked by Chelsea. If it wasn't for his connections he would never have got the job. Gerrard did have some success with Rangers but he was lucky that his stint coincided with a Celtic decline after Rodgers left. It wouldn't surprise me if neither see out the season. Talk of Rodgers and Moyes being under pressure is premature, both should have more than enough credit in the bank, their problem has been that their success has heightened expectations.
Rodgers might jump first.
Leicester seem to be having a fire sale of their best players and nothing coming in to replace them.
Hard for any manager to do their job in those circumstances
Would Everton take him? Seems only fair
Graham Potter is the only man once Frank gets the big toe...
Superb and totally unexpected performance by Man U. Its doing it week in week out. Who would've thought drop maguire and shaw and you have a chance.
Is there a more unlikeable player in the Premier League right now than Bruno Fernandes, his dive last night was embarrassing. His constant play acting and whining is just as embarrassing.
Has the ability to be a fantastic player but he is an awful dose.
Quote from: Turf on August 23, 2022, 11:56:56 AM
Is there a more unlikeable player in the Premier League right now than Bruno Fernandes, his dive last night was embarrassing. His constant play acting and whining is just as embarrassing.
Has the ability to be a fantastic player but he is an awful dose.
The holding the ball for about 30 seconds after Salah scored too. Must have acted the ballix for about 30 seconds and what difference does he really think he is making there. He's a complete tool
Should have been a yellow card for holding the ball
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Is there a more unlikeable player in the Premier League right now than Bruno Fernandes, his dive last night was embarrassing. His constant play acting and whining is just as embarrassing.
Has the ability to be a fantastic player but he is an awful dose.
The holding the ball for about 30 seconds after Salah scored too. Must have acted the ballix for about 30 seconds and what difference does he really think he is making there. He's a complete tool
Probably would have got a yellow were he not already booked.
Bruno was trying to take the ball out to centre circle for the kick off. Salah started to assault him along with Turkey Teeth. Bruno has his faults but he did nothing wrong here. No surprise to hear the whinging from Loserpool. Taking a leaf out their manager's book.
Quote from: trailer on August 23, 2022, 01:02:15 PM
Bruno was trying to take the ball out to centre circle for the kick off. Salah started to assault him along with Turkey Teeth. Bruno has his faults but he did nothing wrong here. No surprise to hear the whinging from Loserpool. Taking a leaf out their manager's book.
Lol no he wasn't.
The only reason Bruno wasn't yellow carded was because he was already on one. He 100% should have been off. Wouldn't have changed much I don't think though.
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Bruno was trying to take the ball out to centre circle for the kick off. Salah started to assault him along with Turkey Teeth. Bruno has his faults but he did nothing wrong here. No surprise to hear the whinging from Loserpool. Taking a leaf out their manager's book.
Lol no he wasn't.
The only reason Bruno wasn't yellow carded was because he was already on one. He 100% should have been off. Wouldn't have changed much I don't think though.
So offside goal, a red card and penalty ... Thats all their luck gone in one game
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Bruno was trying to take the ball out to centre circle for the kick off. Salah started to assault him along with Turkey Teeth. Bruno has his faults but he did nothing wrong here. No surprise to hear the whinging from Loserpool. Taking a leaf out their manager's book.
Lol no he wasn't.
The only reason Bruno wasn't yellow carded was because he was already on one. He 100% should have been off. Wouldn't have changed much I don't think though.
So offside goal, a red card and penalty ... Thats all their luck gone in one game
Never mentioned the offside. It was on because of the new offside interpretation where the benefit is given to the attacker. No complaints here.
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Bruno was trying to take the ball out to centre circle for the kick off. Salah started to assault him along with Turkey Teeth. Bruno has his faults but he did nothing wrong here. No surprise to hear the whinging from Loserpool. Taking a leaf out their manager's book.
Lol no he wasn't.
The only reason Bruno wasn't yellow carded was because he was already on one. He 100% should have been off. Wouldn't have changed much I don't think though.
So offside goal, a red card and penalty ... Thats all their luck gone in one game
Never mentioned the offside. It was on because of the new offside interpretation where the benefit is given to the attacker. No complaints here.
I wasn't that sure when first looked at and haven't seen anything that totally confirms it either.. Ball hit underside of arm at some point though
Bruno definitely should have got a second yellow. Refs have been instructed to cut down on this type of action this season.
Why do lads need THAT ball when they score? There's loads everywhere around the pitch.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on August 25, 2022, 08:15:39 AM
Why do lads need THAT ball when they score? There's loads everywhere around the pitch.
Always wondered this myself...suppose it's about wanting to keep the momentum after scoring. That said, the hysteria surrounding Fernandes not giving the ball back was laughable, it wasn't Liverpool's ball to take - they scored, Utd then kick off.
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Why do lads need THAT ball when they score? There's loads everywhere around the pitch.
Always wondered this myself...suppose it's about wanting to keep the momentum after scoring. That said, the hysteria surrounding Fernandes not giving the ball back was laughable, it wasn't Liverpool's ball to take - they scored, Utd then kick off.
As my old music teacher said, stop with the TWR its not working, this after him telling us a story for about 20 minutes!!
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Why do lads need THAT ball when they score? There's loads everywhere around the pitch.
Always wondered this myself...suppose it's about wanting to keep the momentum after scoring. That said, the hysteria surrounding Fernandes not giving the ball back was laughable, it wasn't Liverpool's ball to take - they scored, Utd then kick off.
Could they take 5-10mimutes to walk back to the centre circle in that case? If not, why not?
It's a symbolic gesture from the team that has scored, they're more interested in restarting than they are celebrating. Surely anyone can understand this?
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It's a symbolic gesture from the team that has scored, they're more interested in restarting than they are celebrating. Surely anyone can understand this?
All day long, interfering with play, or slow play or whatever you want, that will be seen as a yellow card in most games... Being captain probably bought him some slack
Of course I understand the symbolism. I don't understand why they waste their own time wanting THAT ball.
Hat trick for Haland. That is what he brings you. City won't be caught as long as Haland remains healthy.
Quote from: Capt Pat on August 27, 2022, 04:49:05 PM
Hat trick for Haland. That is what he brings you. City won't be caught as long as Haland remains healthy.
I think i recall one poster on here thinking Haaland would struggle in the Premier league in the way Timo Werner has with Chelsea.
Quote from: Capt Pat on August 27, 2022, 04:49:05 PM
Hat trick for Haland. That is what he brings you. City won't be caught as long as Haland remains healthy.
Someone else could get injured. There is a reason the World Cup and Euros are played in summer. In December the World Cup will function more like Becher's Brook.
Stevie starfish must be close to the chop!
Some tasty games midweek, only Arsenal and City have it handy
Scott Parker the first manager to go. Inevitable he would get the boot after his comments in the interviews after the Liverpool match.
Scott Parker manages to beat Gerrard/Lamps/Brodge to the first sacking
Saying its to do with post match comments rather than the poor start
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Scott Parker the first manager to go. Inevitable he would get the boot after his comments in the interviews after the Liverpool match.
What were the comments ?
Complaining about lack of signings? Didnt overly listen but they didnt seem too bad
Idve sacked him for that awful cardigan but thats just me
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Scott Parker the first manager to go. Inevitable he would get the boot after his comments in the interviews after the Liverpool match.
What were the comments ?
We are woefully underequipped to compete at this level.
Something like that.
It was a very odd thing to say tbh but Southampton got tanked 9-0 the other year and came back. I was hoping Bournemouth did the same.
I feel sorry for him. They've had the hardest opening run of any club, they've already played City, Arsenal and Liverpool in the first 4 games, arguably the 3 best teams in the league. They even picked up 3 points in the other game against Villa.
I'd say they were expecting 3 points from those first 4 games. But it's the manner of the defeats which have cost Parker his job.
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 30, 2022, 11:33:52 AM
I feel sorry for him. They've had the hardest opening run of any club, they've already played City, Arsenal and Liverpool in the first 4 games, arguably the 3 best teams in the league. They even picked up 3 points in the other game against Villa.
I'd say they were expecting 3 points from those first 4 games. But it's the manner of the defeats which have cost Parker his job.
Think from the statement its probably more his public complaining about the quality of the squad and, presumably, a philosophical difference with the owners in how to run the club.
From their talk about sustainability, it looks like they might be going the Norwich approach, i.e. trying to keep spending in check and build gradually by being a yo-yo club for a while.
Fulham spend like crazy and they're still a yo-yo club!
Forest have spent more this summer than they have in their entire history (read on the twitter must be true lol)
Id say close to 20 players in at this stage, be great if they stayed up but is that not near too big a turnaround? Slap in the face for those who got them promoted?
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on August 30, 2022, 01:15:35 PM
Forest have spent more this summer than they have in their entire history (read on the twitter must be true lol)
Id say close to 20 players in at this stage, be great if they stayed up but is that not near too big a turnaround? Slap in the face for those who got them promoted?
4 of the 11 who played in the playoff final were Loanees who have returned to their club and the keeper wanted to leave "a legend" after making the Saves to get them to the final
The rest have retained their places for now so not really a slap in the face. Hope they stick with Cooper if things don't go their way
They've averaged a manager a year since clough
Fair enough Hoof. Crazy amount of incomings but like i say hope they stay up. Good atmosphere at sundays match
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on August 30, 2022, 01:48:07 PM
Fair enough Hoof. Crazy amount of incomings but like i say hope they stay up. Good atmosphere at sundays match
Same thing happened when Villa came up a few years ago. Had no choice but to buy a dozen or so players, as their promotion team had 5 loanees and also many of their squad players were out of contract. Didn't stop pundits saying it was crazy to try and buy so many new players of course. Was that , or play academy players.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on August 30, 2022, 01:48:07 PM
Fair enough Hoof. Crazy amount of incomings but like i say hope they stay up. Good atmosphere at sundays match
Aye it is a crazy amount, won't be easy to keep them all happy
In reality the EPL is bigger than 20 teams. There is a cohort of an extra say 8-10 teams orbiting the Championship with various levels of connection to the main division, either recently relegated or yo-yoing or building up the iterations for an assault. And the money justifies it.
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I feel sorry for him. They've had the hardest opening run of any club, they've already played City, Arsenal and Liverpool in the first 4 games, arguably the 3 best teams in the league. They even picked up 3 points in the other game against Villa.
I'd say they were expecting 3 points from those first 4 games. But it's the manner of the defeats which have cost Parker his job.
Think from the statement its probably more his public complaining about the quality of the squad and, presumably, a philosophical difference with the owners in how to run the club.
From their talk about sustainability, it looks like they might be going the Norwich approach, i.e. trying to keep spending in check and build gradually by being a yo-yo club for a while.
Fulham spend like crazy and they're still a yo-yo club!
I think it was more they weren't "aligned". Anything I read was essentially they weren't willing to spend a lot and that rant by Parker was essentially highlighting that.
Parker essentially fell on his sword with the remarks. Can't expect to publicly slate the owners in that way and not expect repercussions. He looked shellshocked in the post match interviews.
I wonder will the next managers that lose to Liverpool and City within a few games also lose their jobs for saying they can't compete nor not equipped enough at this level..
Not too many teams are equipped enough at Liverpool or City's level.
It seems a handy enough way of getting rid of someone in fairness
Parker wanted more money. Owners said no. He went public. Probably got what he deserved.
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Parker wanted more money. Owners said no. He went public. Probably got what he deserved.
Thought his post match comments had an edge to them "we're under equipped for this level" didn't really sound like something a happy manager would say!
Parker doesn't care. He could get a better job before Christmas. It's not like he is struggling on universal credit .
Managers know if they dont speak now thats them snookered till the Jan window and possibly too late. He maybe spoke out of turn but is a sacking not a bit harsh? Maybe same boy happy enough to go....
Am I the only one who thinks Tuchel is hugely overrated and gets it handy from the media! He's had some real bad defeats in his time.
Quote from: seafoid on August 30, 2022, 06:03:24 PM
Parker doesn't care. He could get a better job before Christmas. It's not like he is struggling on universal credit .
exactly none of these managers will starve or freeze death this winter.
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Parker doesn't care. He could get a better job before Christmas. It's not like he is struggling on universal credit .
exactly none of these managers will starve or freeze death this winter.
Neither will you, or any in here, the lad has worked himself into a great position. That's ok isn't it?
What has any of that got to do with anything? I am sure he didn't say that to get sacked and said it out of frustration.
Walter you would have to think Tuchel is in bother with that start from Chelsea but it doesn't seem talked about. If they'd done something last year fair enough but they didn't do much then either and with that start will do nothing this year based on the start.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on August 31, 2022, 03:29:04 AM
Am I the only one who thinks Tuchel is hugely overrated and gets it handy from the media! He's had some real bad defeats in his time.
They are given a free pass, talked up before this season started off the back of last season where they showed nothing. They got some spankings last season too, was only in April that they got thumped 4 nil at home to Brighton or Brentford.
Haaland beating up Premier League defences with no mercy.
Again football is f**ked. the concept that a team averaging 90+ points a season and averages a 3-goal cushion over 60% of teams, is permitted to sign the best young striker in Europe, is fundamentally fucked up beyond words.
Hat trick.... He'll need probably score a few more
Watching the Arsenal game here. They're very entertaining to watch.
This is like the old Newcastle Liverpool games
Man City 5 Forest 0
Man City have no European Cups. Forest have 2.
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Man City 5 Forest 0
Man City have no European Cups. Forest have 2.
Trying senior hurling in 2022 is a lot different from the late 70's
Loved that Liverpool scored during the time that the goalkeeper thought he'd waste time.. Absolutely pointless exercise if feigning injuries
Wuhan absolutely flying in the Chinese Super League. 12-game winning streak.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 31, 2022, 10:00:54 PM
Loved that Liverpool scored during the time that the goalkeeper thought he'd waste time.. Absolutely pointless exercise if feigning injuries
Fair play mr2. Howe has toon goin well but the time wasting was a bit much.
Jeebus big david ngog has fair improved since leavin pool 😃
Players gurn at me for playing 7 plus minutes at the end of games, stop lying around
The 3 relegation places are held by clubs that were in the Premier League last year.
It would be difficult for you not to get paranoid about VAR, if you were a follower of a smaller club.
Another strange decision to blow so early and disallow Coutinho's goal.
Quote from: pbat on September 03, 2022, 07:30:03 PM
Another strange decision to blow so early and disallow Coutinho's goal.
Not sure why he puts the flag up when he knows VAR will pick it up if actually offside. It wasn't even that marginal ; clearly on. In saying that , not sure Ederson made any attempt to stop the shot, as the whistle had gone.
Just seeing that West Ham VAR decision now. As soon as the ref was told to go look at it, the Chelsea fans were cheering as they knew the likelihood was it would be overturned, whether deserved or not. I think making the ref look at it again puts serious doubt in the ref's mind that he's not seeing something others are.
Another ridiculous VAR decision there.
Thomas Tuchel gone from Chelsea.
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Thomas Tuchel gone from Chelsea.
Wow would not have expected that, unless they have someone lined up, like who'd be available? ZZ?
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Thomas Tuchel gone from Chelsea.
Crazy.
Why would anyone want to go near the place now?
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Thomas Tuchel gone from Chelsea.
Wow would not have expected that, unless they have someone lined up, like who'd be available? ZZ?
Sean Dyche
Graham Potter maybe?
Poch you'd imagine will be first choice.
Crazy stuff sacking Tuchel but not surprising given the millions sloshing about the premier league. Potter should be top of the list but I suspect they will go for a bigger name. Pocchetino while not flopping completely at PSG didn't either improve the side or do anything to show that he can handle a dressing room full of egos. There aren't very many top class managers available though so he could well get it.
Expected to request permission to speak to Potter
Potter be as well stay where he's at I would say.
Potter Poch or Zidane youd think
Crazy givin him all those ££ then firin him..
Brendan Rodgers?
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on September 07, 2022, 11:21:49 AM
Potter Poch or Zidane youd think
Crazy givin him all those ££ then firin him..
Some were saying the he would not have bought those players, so possible this was already lined up for someone else
Graham Potter the favourite for Chelsea according to the lunchtime news.
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Thomas Tuchel gone from Chelsea.
Wow would not have expected that, unless they have someone lined up, like who'd be available? ZZ?
With Chelsea it's expected. First slight dip in form they get rid of managers. Graham Potter deserves a high profile job however remains to be seen how he fares when the expectations to succeed is high.
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Thomas Tuchel gone from Chelsea.
Wow would not have expected that, unless they have someone lined up, like who'd be available? ZZ?
With Chelsea it's expected. First slight dip in form they get rid of managers. Graham Potter deserves a high profile job however remains to be seen how he fares when the expectations to succeed is high.
It's a no brainier for Potter, someone offering you 4 times your current wage (or more) for doing the same job with better players and playing at the top level competition (CL)
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Thomas Tuchel gone from Chelsea.
Wow would not have expected that, unless they have someone lined up, like who'd be available? ZZ?
With Chelsea it's expected. First slight dip in form they get rid of managers. Graham Potter deserves a high profile job however remains to be seen how he fares when the expectations to succeed is high.
It's a no brainier for Potter, someone offering you 4 times your current wage (or more) for doing the same job with better players and playing at the top level competition (CL)
4x but a much higher risk of being sacked
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Thomas Tuchel gone from Chelsea.
Wow would not have expected that, unless they have someone lined up, like who'd be available? ZZ?
With Chelsea it's expected. First slight dip in form they get rid of managers. Graham Potter deserves a high profile job however remains to be seen how he fares when the expectations to succeed is high.
It's a no brainier for Potter, someone offering you 4 times your current wage (or more) for doing the same job with better players and playing at the top level competition (CL)
4x but a much higher risk of being sacked
Yes, and then huge pay out, then re-employed
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Thomas Tuchel gone from Chelsea.
Wow would not have expected that, unless they have someone lined up, like who'd be available? ZZ?
With Chelsea it's expected. First slight dip in form they get rid of managers. Graham Potter deserves a high profile job however remains to be seen how he fares when the expectations to succeed is high.
It's a no brainier for Potter, someone offering you 4 times your current wage (or more) for doing the same job with better players and playing at the top level competition (CL)
4x but a much higher risk of being sacked
Yes, and then huge pay out, then re-employed
The pool of unemployed managers is quite large
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Thomas Tuchel gone from Chelsea.
Wow would not have expected that, unless they have someone lined up, like who'd be available? ZZ?
With Chelsea it's expected. First slight dip in form they get rid of managers. Graham Potter deserves a high profile job however remains to be seen how he fares when the expectations to succeed is high.
It's a no brainier for Potter, someone offering you 4 times your current wage (or more) for doing the same job with better players and playing at the top level competition (CL)
4x but a much higher risk of being sacked
Yes, and then huge pay out, then re-employed
The pool of unemployed managers is quite large
The pool of I've managed Chelsea and don't really need to worry about the electric bills is significant
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Potter Poch or Zidane youd think
Crazy givin him all those ££ then firin him..
Some were saying the he would not have bought those players, so possible this was already lined up for someone else
Chelsea's new owners probably had to spend to appease the fans but reading between the lines as a business they won't spend to the same levels every transfer window. If Potter gets the job, it's likely a sign Chelsea will transform their system. Brighton use a statistical model, have in depth transfer committees and research with Potter comfortable in that model as a head coach.
This time Chelsea might be building a long term plan.
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Potter Poch or Zidane youd think
Crazy givin him all those ££ then firin him..
Some were saying the he would not have bought those players, so possible this was already lined up for someone else
Chelsea's new owners probably had to spend to appease the fans but reading between the lines as a business they won't spend to the same levels every transfer window. If Potter gets the job, it's likely a sign Chelsea will transform their system. Brighton use a statistical model, have in depth transfer committees and research with Potter comfortable in that model as a head coach.
This time Chelsea might be building a long term plan.
Abramovich was quite capricious. The new owners may be more strategic
Quote from: seafoid on September 08, 2022, 08:55:08 AM
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 07, 2022, 12:25:04 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on September 07, 2022, 11:21:49 AM
Potter Poch or Zidane youd think
Crazy givin him all those ££ then firin him..
Some were saying the he would not have bought those players, so possible this was already lined up for someone else
Chelsea's new owners probably had to spend to appease the fans but reading between the lines as a business they won't spend to the same levels every transfer window. If Potter gets the job, it's likely a sign Chelsea will transform their system. Brighton use a statistical model, have in depth transfer committees and research with Potter comfortable in that model as a head coach.
This time Chelsea might be building a long term plan.
Abramovich was quite capricious. The new owners may be more strategic
Doubtful, more likely that there is a shortage of good candidates out there but you have Potter who is highly regarded currently, he has taken a tiny club far beyond expectations (whilst playing good football) and will cost them very little.
Potter to Chelsea
Karius to Newcastle.
Football. Bloody hell 😃
Potter to Chelsea has Moyes to Utd written all over it. If he's there next Season I'll be shocked.
No matches this weekend ffs?
Quote from: ONeill on September 08, 2022, 07:07:05 PM
No matches this weekend ffs?
Will be a positive result for Arsenal then
Plenty club games around the country though
I had a sure thing for Last Man Standing
Will matches be called off this weekend does anyone know?
Quote from: laoislad on September 08, 2022, 07:25:05 PM
Will matches be called off this weekend does anyone know?
I'd say almost certainly yes, maybe the following weekend too because of the funeral.
I was to go to the Wolves game, first time at Anfield in nearly 3 years :-[
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 08, 2022, 07:38:10 PM
Quote from: laoislad on September 08, 2022, 07:25:05 PM
Will matches be called off this weekend does anyone know?
I'd say almost certainly yes, maybe the following weekend too because of the funeral.
I was to go to the Wolves game at the game, first time at Anfield in nearly 3 years :-[
Couple of weekends of not dropping any points so.
Every cloud eh 😂
I was to go to the Wolves game at the game, first time at Anfield in nearly 3 years
This was my Last Man Standing nap.
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 08, 2022, 07:38:10 PM
Quote from: laoislad on September 08, 2022, 07:25:05 PM
Will matches be called off this weekend does anyone know?
I'd say almost certainly yes, maybe the following weekend too because of the funeral.
I was to go to the Wolves game at the game, first time at Anfield in nearly 3 years :-[
Unlucky dude.
Id say so as they say they did the same when Diana died. Cant mind that, must have been still in my drinking years 😎
Might do Lpool no harm tbh. And a few other teams tbh
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on September 08, 2022, 09:26:12 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 08, 2022, 07:38:10 PM
Quote from: laoislad on September 08, 2022, 07:25:05 PM
Will matches be called off this weekend does anyone know?
I'd say almost certainly yes, maybe the following weekend too because of the funeral.
I was to go to the Wolves game at the game, first time at Anfield in nearly 3 years :-[
Unlucky dude.
Id say so as they say they did the same when Diana died. Cant mind that, must have been still in my drinking years 😎
Might do Lpool no harm tbh. And a few other teams tbh
It actually gets worse. I had a ticket for the Bournemouth game and had to swap it to be at a wedding ;D
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 08, 2022, 09:35:41 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on September 08, 2022, 09:26:12 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 08, 2022, 07:38:10 PM
Quote from: laoislad on September 08, 2022, 07:25:05 PM
Will matches be called off this weekend does anyone know?
I'd say almost certainly yes, maybe the following weekend too because of the funeral.
I was to go to the Wolves game at the game, first time at Anfield in nearly 3 years :-[
Unlucky dude.
Id say so as they say they did the same when Diana died. Cant mind that, must have been still in my drinking years 😎
Might do Lpool no harm tbh. And a few other teams tbh
It actually gets worse. I had a ticket for the Bournemouth game and had to swap it to be at a wedding ;D
Yeah I was going with some friends this weekend too. Likely out a fortune now
No football this weekend now that is a real tragedy. At least the NFL is back for a new season.
Quote from: Capt Pat on September 09, 2022, 12:21:55 AM
No football this weekend now that is a real tragedy. At least the NFL is back for a new season.
Will the same be done for her funeral? which won't be on for about two weeks.
All games in all tiers officially off this week.
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 09, 2022, 11:53:57 AM
All games in all tiers officially off this week.
Thank god for the Tyrone Junior Championship eh
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 09, 2022, 12:29:46 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on September 09, 2022, 12:21:55 AM
No football this weekend now that is a real tragedy. At least the NFL is back for a new season.
Will the same be done for her funeral? which won't be on for about two weeks.
From reports filtering out there'll be no PL football until after the international break, not sure the PL want to accept that yet but they probably should call it now. UEFA competitions will continue unless individual clubs asks for a postponement.
Quote from: laoislad on September 08, 2022, 07:42:15 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 08, 2022, 07:38:10 PM
Quote from: laoislad on September 08, 2022, 07:25:05 PM
Will matches be called off this weekend does anyone know?
I'd say almost certainly yes, maybe the following weekend too because of the funeral.
I was to go to the Wolves game at the game, first time at Anfield in nearly 3 years :-[
Couple of weekends of not dropping any points so.
Every cloud eh 😂
Yes, I think her highness has done Liverpool a favour. They could do with a week or two on the training pitch to iron out a few wrinkles.
Although I heard a mention on OTB about the Ajax game being moved to a neutral venue, which obviously would not be good.
Quote from: J70 on September 09, 2022, 12:29:23 PM
Quote from: laoislad on September 08, 2022, 07:42:15 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 08, 2022, 07:38:10 PM
Quote from: laoislad on September 08, 2022, 07:25:05 PM
Will matches be called off this weekend does anyone know?
I'd say almost certainly yes, maybe the following weekend too because of the funeral.
I was to go to the Wolves game at the game, first time at Anfield in nearly 3 years :-[
Couple of weekends of not dropping any points so.
Every cloud eh 😂
Yes, I think her highness has done Liverpool a favour. They could do with a week or two on the training pitch to iron out a few wrinkles.
Although I heard a mention on OTB about the Ajax game being moved to a neutral venue, which obviously would not be good.
feckers will likely reset over this break and go on a mad winning run. Talk of the Cl games going to Dublin.
Joke of a decision postponing yhe games given a world cup is already meaning crazy fixture congestion
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Quote from: J70 on September 09, 2022, 12:29:23 PM
Quote from: laoislad on September 08, 2022, 07:42:15 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 08, 2022, 07:38:10 PM
Quote from: laoislad on September 08, 2022, 07:25:05 PM
Will matches be called off this weekend does anyone know?
I'd say almost certainly yes, maybe the following weekend too because of the funeral.
I was to go to the Wolves game at the game, first time at Anfield in nearly 3 years :-[
Couple of weekends of not dropping any points so.
Every cloud eh 😂
Yes, I think her highness has done Liverpool a favour. They could do with a week or two on the training pitch to iron out a few wrinkles.
Although I heard a mention on OTB about the Ajax game being moved to a neutral venue, which obviously would not be good.
feckers will likely reset over this break and go on a mad winning run. Talk of the Cl games going to Dublin.
Joke of a decision postponing yhe games given a world cup is already meaning crazy fixture congestion
Your Queen has died show some respect.
Quote from: Cavan19 on September 09, 2022, 01:00:21 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on September 09, 2022, 12:55:54 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 09, 2022, 12:29:23 PM
Quote from: laoislad on September 08, 2022, 07:42:15 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 08, 2022, 07:38:10 PM
Quote from: laoislad on September 08, 2022, 07:25:05 PM
Will matches be called off this weekend does anyone know?
I'd say almost certainly yes, maybe the following weekend too because of the funeral.
I was to go to the Wolves game at the game, first time at Anfield in nearly 3 years :-[
Couple of weekends of not dropping any points so.
Every cloud eh 😂
Yes, I think her highness has done Liverpool a favour. They could do with a week or two on the training pitch to iron out a few wrinkles.
Although I heard a mention on OTB about the Ajax game being moved to a neutral venue, which obviously would not be good.
feckers will likely reset over this break and go on a mad winning run. Talk of the Cl games going to Dublin.
Joke of a decision postponing yhe games given a world cup is already meaning crazy fixture congestion
Your Queen has died show some respect.
;)
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 09, 2022, 11:53:57 AM
All games in all tiers officially off this week.
Plenty of cash lost on accommodation and flights, ferries over i can imagine.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on September 09, 2022, 03:46:45 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 09, 2022, 11:53:57 AM
All games in all tiers officially off this week.
Plenty of cash lost on accommodation and flights, ferries over i can imagine.
Plenty League of Ireland games tonight, support the locals ;)
Finn Harps the bastids not playing .
Man United v Leeds
Liverpool v Chelsea
Both games next Sunday postponed :o
Brentford v Arsenal (in London goes ahead)
Everything is under control .... nothing to see or question here ::)
Leicester rooted to the bottom of the table and hammered this evening. Brendan Rodgers on borrowed time.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 17, 2022, 08:16:57 PM
Leicester rooted to the bottom of the table and hammered this evening. Brendan Rodgers on borrowed time.
He'll be gone soon. Played 7 with 1 point to show for it.
Rodgers does seem to have a shelf life of 3 or so years at every club before it goes tits up
There was an interview with Harry Kane earlier today about his thoughts on the Queen of England. I was convinced it was a sketch. 'Obviously, she showed consistency...'
Every UCAS applicant has captained their club at U16.
Bigger issue, would Bellew in his prime keep Haaland quiet?
Collins sorted out Grealish for betraying Ireland. Now he just has to get Rice.
Quote from: ONeill on September 17, 2022, 10:57:30 PM
There was an interview with Harry Kane earlier today about his thoughts on the Queen of England. I was convinced it was a sketch. 'Obviously, she showed consistency...'
the word 'obviously ' should be banned from footballer interviews...
cringworthy listening to its overuse. Keane a big user of it too
https://youtu.be/LeqXYtobDQo
Quote from: Tony Baloney on September 17, 2022, 08:21:33 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 17, 2022, 08:16:57 PM
Leicester rooted to the bottom of the table and hammered this evening. Brendan Rodgers on borrowed time.
He'll be gone soon. Played 7 with 1 point to show for it.
They are only 3 points off 17th place. A bit of a run with a few wins and they are out of trouble.
Bournemouth and Forest are bookies favourites for the first 2 relegation spots. Everton are 4th. Leicester are 3rd.
https://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/relegation
Pep looks like some bloke from Moss side on the sideline
With them all dressin so sharp these days it does actually look a bit bad on the odd day they dress down imo.
Its like "fuckitt its only leicester today"....but i see theyre winnin irrespective...
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on October 29, 2022, 01:56:29 PM
With them all dressin so sharp these days it does actually look a bit bad on the odd day they dress down imo.
Its like "fuckitt its only leicester today"....but i see theyre winnin irrespective...
That's was what I thought, Leicester don't deserve the black turtle neck!!
A return to Brighton to forget for Potter and two of his Chelsea players has scored goals for Brighton.
Will Gomez get an assist for that?
Spurs win in Fergie time again. Not very Spursy
If it stays the same will this be Liverpool's worst result?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2022, 09:19:28 PM
If it stays the same will this be Liverpool's worst result?
Surely losing to Forest was
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2022, 09:41:37 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 29, 2022, 09:32:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2022, 09:19:28 PM
If it stays the same will this be Liverpool's worst result?
Surely losing to Forest was
You were saying? ;D
Forest were bottom
Leeds were second from bottom
Huge difference :o
Quote from: seafoid on October 29, 2022, 09:52:19 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2022, 09:41:37 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 29, 2022, 09:32:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2022, 09:19:28 PM
If it stays the same will this be Liverpool's worst result?
Surely losing to Forest was
You were saying? ;D
Forest were bottom
Leeds were second from bottom
Huge difference :o
Forrest were at Home and Leeds were at fortress Anfield
The record had to go at some stage.
Liverpool need to get the chequebook out
Quote from: seafoid on October 29, 2022, 09:55:00 PM
The record had to go at some stage.
Liverpool need to get the chequebook out
They like cheques and balances the fans love that stuff, being in the black and all that jazz
The relegation spots are quite fluid so far
Fairly soft peno for City in the 95th minute today.
Everton 2 down, The Brodge seems to have turned it around at Leicester.
Great win for city, fairly tough red card,Haaland unlucky with his goal
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 06, 2022, 02:30:09 AM
Great win for city, fairly tough red card,Haaland unlucky with his goal
Yes, City are doing well against the odds.
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 06, 2022, 12:09:19 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 06, 2022, 02:30:09 AM
Great win for city, fairly tough red card,Haaland unlucky with his goal
Yes, City are doing well against the odds.
God love them
Prize money for the various Competitions
(there are other hidden prize monies)
Champions League
Winner €20m
Runner-up €15.5m
Semi finalists €12.5m
Quarter finalists €10.6m
Round of 16 €9.6m
Group-stage wins €2.8m
Group-stage draws €930k
Reaching group stage €15.64m
Premier League
1 £161.3m
2 £159.8m
3 £152.1m,
4 £151.7m,
5 £151.6m,
6 £150.2m,
7 £142.1m,
8 £134m,
9 £131.5m,
10 £130.6m,
11 £128.2m,
12 £124.3m,
13 £123.3m,
14 £121m,
15 £120.4m,
16 £116.1m,
17 £113.3m,
18 £106.1m,
19 £104.6m,
20 £100.3m.
FA Cup
3rd round prize money £105,000
4th round prize money £120,000
5th round prize money £225,000
QF prize money £450,000
SF prize money £1,000,000
Final £2,000,000
League Cup
QF prize money £25,000
SF prize money £50,000
Final prize money £100,000
Gate Receipts Distribution:
the Gate receipts earnings are divided into three pot of every EFL Cup match. 45% each is shared by the home and away team regardless of where the match is taking place while 10% goes to English FA. For two semifinals and final at Wembley in 2019, £5 million was generated via ticket & hospitality sales (£3 million in two semifinals and £2 million from the final). So the winners and runners up walked away with around £1.6 million each.
UEFA Super Cup
Winner: €5,000,000.
Runner-up: €3,800,000.
World Club Cup
Winner $5 million
Runner-up $4 million
Third place $2.5 million
Fourth place $2 million
Fifth place $1.5 million
Sixth place $1 million
Seventh Place $500,000
Quote from: laoislad on November 05, 2022, 07:19:25 PM
Fairly soft peno for City in the 95th minute today.
Everton 2 down, The Brodge seems to have turned it around at Leicester.
Everton couldn't score in a brothel at the minute. Yet another relegation battle forthcoming unless they find a Kevin Campbell in January.
Just watched the big match revisited..
1975 Arsenal v Liverpool, how players played on those pitches is baffling
How does Grealish and Kalvin Phillips make the England squad, but Ivan Toney doesn't?
Mighty Manchester City beaten at home to Brentford!. Ivan Toney not picked on Southgates England World Cup squad scores both goals for the winners.
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 12, 2022, 02:46:04 PM
How does Grealish and Kalvin Phillips make the England squad, but Ivan Toney doesn't?
They play different positions ?
Quote from: Saffrongael on November 12, 2022, 02:55:08 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 12, 2022, 02:46:04 PM
How does Grealish and Kalvin Phillips make the England squad, but Ivan Toney doesn't?
They play different positions ?
Can say they same about Rashford, Wilson etc if you want to be pedantic.
Southgate, "I never pick on reputation -- form has to come into it."
Southgate has a team that's performed well in competitions, he's happy enough with his squad that's done well enough for him, regardless of that quote, he's been consistent
Bit debatable whether he scored the first in fairness
But Brentford pressed City and closed them down..
Still Arsenals to lose at this rate
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 12, 2022, 02:46:04 PM
How does Grealish and Kalvin Phillips make the England squad, but Ivan Toney doesn't?
England bored their way to the Euro final, but very few of those players are in any kind of form . Kane isn't playing well, Sterling poor, Phillips and Maguire hardly playing at all. Only player in any sort of form is Trippier. Rashford has been eating the ball lately trying to secure his spot but he's unlikely to start . Yep I'm feeling more secure for another England World Cup c**k up.
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 12, 2022, 03:26:39 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 12, 2022, 02:46:04 PM
How does Grealish and Kalvin Phillips make the England squad, but Ivan Toney doesn't?
England bored their way to the Euro final, but very few of those players are in any kind of form . Kane isn't playing well, Sterling poor, Phillips and Maguire hardly playing at all. Only player in any sort of form is Trippier. Rashford has been eating the ball lately trying to secure his spot but he's unlikely to start . Yep I'm feeling more secure for another England World Cup c**k up.
Saka surely counts as being in form?
Quote from: shark on November 12, 2022, 03:37:33 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 12, 2022, 03:26:39 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 12, 2022, 02:46:04 PM
How does Grealish and Kalvin Phillips make the England squad, but Ivan Toney doesn't?
England bored their way to the Euro final, but very few of those players are in any kind of form . Kane isn't playing well, Sterling poor, Phillips and Maguire hardly playing at all. Only player in any sort of form is Trippier. Rashford has been eating the ball lately trying to secure his spot but he's unlikely to start . Yep I'm feeling more secure for another England World Cup c**k up.
Saka surely counts as being in form?
Foden as well
Ivan Toney in a bit of bother with the betting, a stint on the sidelines coming up.
Maybe another reason Mr Southgate didn't bring him along!
Quote from: johnnycool on November 17, 2022, 12:10:25 PM
Ivan Toney in a bit of bother with the betting, a stint on the sidelines coming up.
Maybe another reason Mr Southgate didn't bring him along!
It wasn't even like one or two things.. over 200.. nut job
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 12, 2022, 03:26:39 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 12, 2022, 02:46:04 PM
How does Grealish and Kalvin Phillips make the England squad, but Ivan Toney doesn't?
England bored their way to the Euro final, but very few of those players are in any kind of form . Kane isn't playing well, Sterling poor, Phillips and Maguire hardly playing at all. Only player in any sort of form is Trippier. Rashford has been eating the ball lately trying to secure his spot but he's unlikely to start . Yep I'm feeling more secure for another England World Cup c**k up.
Kane has 12 goals in 15 games. That's tracking at 30 goal league season.
As much as I hate the b*****d, Kane is dragging Spurs across a lot of lines this year. Having a great season IMO, although perhaps not as flashy goals as previous years
Pep staying on till 2025 now, must be some coin in that with promises of the best players from the World Cup coming
A few all Premier league ties.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FirJdRuWYAAXaDh?format=jpg&name=large)
Man City v Chelsea is the pick of those ties.
Should be 5-0 at this point, Nunez likes to try and break the offside trap, if there was a table for that he'd be top
Nunez is a trier anyway. - you have to give him that.
That third goal was very well done by the young guy.
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 26, 2022, 07:20:03 PM
Nunez is a trier anyway. - you have to give him that.
That third goal was very well done by the young guy.
God loves a trier I suppose
Arsenal not letting up.. so Arsenal and City look like shoe ins for top four
Selling soccer players to the EPL is like selling bullocks to farmers in Meath to fatten. PSV, like Ajax, is a selling club.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2022/1226/1343814-psv-and-liverpool-agree-deal-for-cody-gakpo/PSV general manager Marcel Brands confirmed Gakpo's anticipated transfer would be a "record" for the Eredivisie club.
Hirving Lozano's move to Napoli in 2019 for a reported 42 million euros was the previous highest sale by the Dutch outfit.
A club statement added: "Both clubs are not making any announcements about the transfer fee."
"But this is a record transfer for PSV," said general manager Brands
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 26, 2022, 07:20:03 PM
Nunez is a trier anyway. - you have to give him that.
That third goal was very well done by the young guy.
He has either scored or assisted a goal in every game he's played so far for Liverpool.
Can't wait to see what he will be like when he starts playing well....
Quote from: laoislad on December 27, 2022, 02:16:28 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 26, 2022, 07:20:03 PM
Nunez is a trier anyway. - you have to give him that.
That third goal was very well done by the young guy.
He has either scored or assisted a goal in every game he's played so far for Liverpool.
Can't wait to see what he will be like when he starts playing well....
He's that good Liverpool are 6th, I suppose you could look at the good in every flop
Didn't think he got an assist last night?
I think he will turn out ok. Question is will he get more prolific or turn into a Dirk Kuyt and add a lot through work rate more than goals.
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 27, 2022, 03:27:31 PM
I think he will turn out ok. Question is will he get more prolific or turn into a Dirk Kuyt and add a lot through work rate more than goals.
He's better than Dirk, better looking
Nunes is playing well now, this could be as good as it gets for him. He hasn't exactly been consistently prolific in his career to date.
If City finish second to Arsenal are they worse off having Haaland even if he scores 50 goals?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 29, 2022, 04:55:21 PM
If City finish second to Arsenal are they worse off having Haaland even if he scores 50 goals?
They'll be judged off whether or not they win the CL. Haaland will be a massive part of that if and inevitably when they do it
That's one way to stop the best striker!
City's squad is unreal
Possibly goal of the season from Gray against City. Screamer.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 31, 2022, 03:06:47 PM
That's one way to stop the best striker!
City's squad is unreal
Money.
If hurling was the same, Dublin would win everything.
Quote from: GJL on December 31, 2022, 05:07:48 PM
Possibly goal of the season from Gray against City. Screamer.
That draw gives Liverpool a chance to catch them for the league
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 31, 2022, 05:36:28 PM
Quote from: GJL on December 31, 2022, 05:07:48 PM
Possibly goal of the season from Gray against City. Screamer.
That draw gives Liverpool a chance to catch them for the league
Only 8 points behind now
Quote from: seafoid on December 31, 2022, 05:38:17 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 31, 2022, 05:36:28 PM
Quote from: GJL on December 31, 2022, 05:07:48 PM
Possibly goal of the season from Gray against City. Screamer.
That draw gives Liverpool a chance to catch them for the league
Only 8 points behind now
Nearly caught them when further behind last season, waiting for Arsenals drop off but in fairness to them they are sticking at it
Liverpool won't finish ahead of Arsenal.
Evan Ferguson 18 years old and Irish got on the score sheet against Arsenal for Brighton. They still lost 4-2.
Bazunu lost for Southampton but did save a Mitrovic penalty.
Conte such a boring manager after spending a fortune during summer.
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 01, 2023, 03:33:35 PM
Conte such a boring manager after spending a fortune during summer.
They are rubbish, probably beat Arsenal next week though
Levy will probably dump Conte this week.
Quote from: pbat on January 01, 2023, 03:39:33 PM
Levy will probably dump Conte this week.
Poch be back.
Conte looked a bit nonplussed towards the end not like him at all.
Joe Lewis trading as Levy is the problem.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2023/0101/1344429-conte-spurs-saddled-with-unrealistic-expectations/
Even though Conte guided the club into the Champions League last season, he described that achievement as a "miracle" and insisted he will continue to be realistic with the club.
"I know what is the reality because I am the coach," he said.
"The club knows very well what are my thoughts on the situation. The situation was very clear. I continue to work and to improve and to help you to improve the club, to create a solid foundation and then to develop.
"You have to know that there are clubs who can invest £200m or £300m and others with different policies and I repeat you have to respect the policy.
"The policy has to be very clear with all people otherwise we created a situation that's not positive for the environment to create expectations that are not realistic, honestly.
"I was expecting this moment. Now we have to start to fight strong, because the situation in this league you can slip quickly.
"If you ask me if I'm scared, I'm not scared. I believe in my work, I believe in these players, but don't ask me for things I cannot promise you."
Conte has invested 200 to 300 million and made them worse.
Cucurella looks out of his depth at Chelsea. He had one season at Brighton and Chelsea paid 50m.
The quality and money City of bench are big reason they'll win league.
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 05, 2023, 09:30:37 PM
Cucurella looks out of his depth at Chelsea. He had one season at Brighton and Chelsea paid 50m.
I think potter seems a bit out of his depth too.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 05, 2023, 10:00:39 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 05, 2023, 09:30:37 PM
Cucurella looks out of his depth at Chelsea. He had one season at Brighton and Chelsea paid 50m.
I think potter seems a bit out of his depth too.
Hard to know. Chelsea have a heap of players running down contracts, another handful who haven't settled into English football (Pulisic, Ziyech, Havertz) and had just bought in a few players (Aubameyang, Sterling) hardly renowned for their team ethic. There's a lot of talent in their squad but there would be easier challenges out there than moulding them into a team.
And as it's Chelsea he will be gone by the summer and we never will know for sure!
Turning into a 2 horse race now, City out of the capital with 3 points, they didn't actually have a shot till the 32 minute!
It's all down to how Arsenal do in their next game.. Spurs would hate to hand them 3 points
It really really isnt all down to their next game...
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 05, 2023, 10:00:39 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 05, 2023, 09:30:37 PM
Cucurella looks out of his depth at Chelsea. He had one season at Brighton and Chelsea paid 50m.
I think potter seems a bit out of his depth too.
Probably is. They had some good results in Europe but they have been very poor in the League. He brought on a few young players who gave mo,re then some of the egos like Aubameyang.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 05, 2023, 10:22:52 PM
It really really isnt all down to their next game...
If Arsenal lose and City win the Arsenal will shit their pants
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 05, 2023, 10:25:47 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 05, 2023, 10:00:39 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 05, 2023, 09:30:37 PM
Cucurella looks out of his depth at Chelsea. He had one season at Brighton and Chelsea paid 50m.
I think potter seems a bit out of his depth too.
Probably is. They had some good results in Europe but they have been very poor in the League. He brought on a few young players who gave mo,re then some of the egos like Aubameyang.
Chelsea with 9 players out injured and Potter has adopted a squad that needs overhauled. I'm not sure it's going to work out but he needs time.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 05, 2023, 10:30:27 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 05, 2023, 10:25:47 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 05, 2023, 10:00:39 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 05, 2023, 09:30:37 PM
Cucurella looks out of his depth at Chelsea. He had one season at Brighton and Chelsea paid 50m.
I think potter seems a bit out of his depth too.
Probably is. They had some good results in Europe but they have been very poor in the League. He brought on a few young players who gave mo,re then some of the egos like Aubameyang.
Chelsea with 9 players out injured and Potter has adopted a squad that needs overhauled. I'm not sure it's going to work out but he needs time.
He needs a clean slate and to be able to ship out big names and given full control like Ten Hag is getting at United. Potter a really good manager but whether he'll be able to handle big egos or even if he will be allowed to is another thing. That owner seems like a tool who will stick his nose in too much.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 05, 2023, 10:30:27 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 05, 2023, 10:25:47 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 05, 2023, 10:00:39 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 05, 2023, 09:30:37 PM
Cucurella looks out of his depth at Chelsea. He had one season at Brighton and Chelsea paid 50m.
I think potter seems a bit out of his depth too.
Probably is. They had some good results in Europe but they have been very poor in the League. He brought on a few young players who gave mo,re then some of the egos like Aubameyang.
Chelsea with 9 players out injured and Potter has adopted a squad that needs overhauled. I'm not sure it's going to work out but he needs time.
And one thing Chelsea are good at is giving managers time!
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Quote from: imtommygunn on January 05, 2023, 10:00:39 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 05, 2023, 09:30:37 PM
Cucurella looks out of his depth at Chelsea. He had one season at Brighton and Chelsea paid 50m.
I think potter seems a bit out of his depth too.
Probably is. They had some good results in Europe but they have been very poor in the League. He brought on a few young players who gave mo,re then some of the egos like Aubameyang.
Chelsea with 9 players out injured and Potter has adopted a squad that needs overhauled. I'm not sure it's going to work out but he needs time.
And one thing Chelsea are good at is giving managers time!
New owner might have more patience than Roman Abramovich had.
More fa cup but that wood miss was a shocker. You won't see many worse.
Newcastle United 3rd in the Premier League knocked out of the FA Cup tonight by League one Sheffield Wednesday.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 07, 2023, 07:55:56 PM
Newcastle United 3rd in the Premier League knocked out of the FA Cup tonight by League one Sheffield Wednesday.
Obviously they are focusing on 3rd
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 07, 2023, 07:55:56 PM
Newcastle United 3rd in the Premier League knocked out of the FA Cup tonight by League one Sheffield Wednesday.
Obviously they are focusing on 3rd
Or league cup quarter final next week.
Never offside, Liverpool got away with one. Happy enough they've another game in an already busy season.
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 07, 2023, 07:55:56 PM
Newcastle United 3rd in the Premier League knocked out of the FA Cup tonight by League one Sheffield Wednesday.
Obviously they are focusing on 3rd
Or league cup quarter final next week.
They might make more money in the Champions League. The Howav the Toon factor would be higher.
I'm gonna put the VAR shambles from yesterday in here
Liverpool goal clearly offside in the build up - not given
Wolves goal disallowed despite the VAR official not having a camera view to disallow goal and the referee clearly telling the linesman to raise his flag for offside during play
It's clearly corruption or undue influence of a number of clubs on decisions
It's not corruption. It's a natural continuation of what has always been the case with referees; when doubt exists, follow the path of least resistance.... which is to favour the home team, unless the away team is a much bigger club, then you favour them.
It's always been the case. VAR just magnifies how obvious it is.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 08, 2023, 02:07:25 PM
I'm gonna put the VAR shambles from yesterday in here
Liverpool goal clearly offside in the build up - not given
Wolves goal disallowed despite the VAR official not having a camera view to disallow goal and the referee clearly telling the linesman to raise his flag for offside during play
It's clearly corruption or undue influence of a number of clubs on decisions
Interpretation is the big problem. Bigger clubs always get the tight decisions. Why? Because the decision is bigger for the bigger club and the referees feel this pressure subliminally.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 08, 2023, 02:07:25 PM
I'm gonna put the VAR shambles from yesterday in here
Liverpool goal clearly offside in the build up - not given
Wolves goal disallowed despite the VAR official not having a camera view to disallow goal and the referee clearly telling the linesman to raise his flag for offside during play
It's clearly corruption or undue influence of a number of clubs on decisions
;D
Funny how it's only Liverpool that upsets you.
Leeds sneak a draw there, looked like offside leading up to the equaliser for Leeds.. no VAR ... must just help teams with L as their first letter
A great and simple quote from the late Gianluca Vialli on the BBC tribute bit. "You never lose, you either win or learn"
Or in spurs case you lose, gain false hope and repeat
Gareth Bale has retired at 33.
Bit of a shame, I thought he might have a couple more years in him.
Quote from: general_lee on January 09, 2023, 04:03:32 PM
Gareth Bale has retired at 33.
Bit of a shame, I thought he might have a couple more years in him.
as good as anyone at his best, unstoppable at times, just never had the attitude of likes of Ronaldo or Messi to look after himself and prolong his career. Still won it all with Real and got Wales some priceless moments as well. Managed to milk millions out of Madrid for a few years as well.
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Quote from: general_lee on January 09, 2023, 04:03:32 PM
Gareth Bale has retired at 33.
Bit of a shame, I thought he might have a couple more years in him.
as good as anyone at his best, unstoppable at times, just never had the attitude of likes of Ronaldo or Messi to look after himself and prolong his career. Still won it all with Real and got Wales some priceless moments as well. Managed to milk millions out of Madrid for a few years as well.
You'd think being at Real Madrid the same time as Ronaldo would have affected his time there. Both like to be the main man.
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Quote from: general_lee on January 09, 2023, 04:03:32 PM
Gareth Bale has retired at 33.
Bit of a shame, I thought he might have a couple more years in him.
as good as anyone at his best, unstoppable at times, just never had the attitude of likes of Ronaldo or Messi to look after himself and prolong his career. Still won it all with Real and got Wales some priceless moments as well. Managed to milk millions out of Madrid for a few years as well.
You'd think being at Real Madrid the same time as Ronaldo would have affected his time there. Both like to be the main man.
Managed to score massive goals in significant games, seemed to keep him relevant even when he was dwindling.
He was brilliant in the first couple of years at Madrid under
Ancelotti.
Then was constantly injured under Zidane ,but scored the overhead against Liverpool
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 09, 2023, 04:35:01 PM
He was brilliant in the first couple of years at Madrid under
Ancelotti.
Then was constantly injured under Zidane ,but scored the overhead against Liverpool
probably the best goal ever
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Quote from: rodney trotter on January 09, 2023, 04:35:01 PM
He was brilliant in the first couple of years at Madrid under
Ancelotti.
Then was constantly injured under Zidane ,but scored the overhead against Liverpool
probably the best goal ever
Zlatan 's v England was better I thought
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=weViOPghw1w
(https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=weViOPghw1w)
Dragged Wales to the World Cup. Won x Champions League medals. He's probably retiring because of accumulated injuries.
Wales, greatest ever player, I imagine.
Quote from: seafoid on January 09, 2023, 06:15:13 PM
Dragged Wales to the World Cup. Won x Champions League medals. He's probably retiring because of accumulated injuries.
Wales, greatest ever player, I imagine.
Him or John Charles.
Only because he's managed in the premier league I'll post it in this thread, but how in under God has Roberto Martinez landed another big international job?
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 09, 2023, 07:28:39 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 09, 2023, 06:15:13 PM
Dragged Wales to the World Cup. Won x Champions League medals. He's probably retiring because of accumulated injuries.
Wales, greatest ever player, I imagine.
Him or John Charles.
Ryan Giggs would deserve a mention, but he tended to be less committed to the Welsh cause. Plus his personal life has greatly shaded his achievements and his stature.
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 09, 2023, 08:10:27 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 09, 2023, 07:28:39 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 09, 2023, 06:15:13 PM
Dragged Wales to the World Cup. Won x Champions League medals. He's probably retiring because of accumulated injuries.
Wales, greatest ever player, I imagine.
Him or John Charles.
Ryan Giggs would deserve a mention, but he tended to be less committed to the Welsh cause. Plus his personal life has greatly shaded his achievements and his stature.
I was thinking the same.
Giggs seemed to have better players around him when he was playing with Wales, but they were never near qualification. Mark Hughes,Ian Rush, Gary Speed, Neville Southhall.
Bale was outstanding in the qualifiers and at Euro 16. He led them to Euro 20 and the World Cup. He had a poor World Cup maybe the retirement was on his mind before then
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 09, 2023, 08:37:28 PM
Giggs seemed to have better players around him when he was playing with Wales, but they were never near qualification. Mark Hughes,Ian Rush, Gary Speed, Neville Southhall.
Bale was outstanding in the qualifiers and at Euro 16. He led them to Euro 20 and the World Cup. He had a poor World Cup maybe the retirement was on his mind before then
They were near enough for USA 94. Still had a shot going in to last game , but lost at home to Romania.
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 09, 2023, 08:37:28 PM
Giggs seemed to have better players around him when he was playing with Wales, but they were never near qualification. Mark Hughes,Ian Rush, Gary Speed, Neville Southhall.
Bale was outstanding in the qualifiers and at Euro 16. He led them to Euro 20 and the World Cup. He had a poor World Cup maybe the retirement was on his mind before then
Physically he was done at the WC, but he was almost unplayable at his best for Spurs
Bale would have a fair old shout for Britain's greatest ever player. He could make the best defenders in the world look like plodders. He finished once Maicon when he was only young.
His highlights reel would match anyone in history.
These would be my favourites.
https://youtu.be/wyNC0GgtARw
https://youtu.be/1J0UcFlw9W0
10 Spurs goals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOi2JAhXwdI
Bale Modric and a fleetingly excellent Lennon all part of one team yes? Defoe?
From memory Redknapp had them playing some stuff, prob coupla other ballers ive forgot about
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 09, 2023, 09:42:24 PM
Bale Modric and a fleetingly excellent Lennon all part of one team yes? Defoe?
From memory Redknapp had them playing some stuff, prob coupla other ballers ive forgot about
Nico Kranjcar and Peter crouch too :P
Could see he was done at the World Cup, but think he probably is the best British player of the last 30 years anyway
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Quote from: Armagh18 on January 09, 2023, 05:18:47 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 09, 2023, 04:35:01 PM
He was brilliant in the first couple of years at Madrid under
Ancelotti.
Then was constantly injured under Zidane ,but scored the overhead against Liverpool
probably the best goal ever
Zlatan 's v England was better I thought
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=weViOPghw1w
(https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=weViOPghw1w)
Unreal. But to do what Bale did in a Champions League final was something else.
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 09, 2023, 08:10:27 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 09, 2023, 07:28:39 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 09, 2023, 06:15:13 PM
Dragged Wales to the World Cup. Won x Champions League medals. He's probably retiring because of accumulated injuries.
Wales, greatest ever player, I imagine.
Him or John Charles.
Ryan Giggs would deserve a mention, but he tended to be less committed to the Welsh cause. Plus his personal life has greatly shaded his achievements and his stature.
Giggs probably the best Welsh player ever but not Wales' best player ever if that makes sense.
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 09, 2023, 08:37:28 PM
Giggs seemed to have better players around him when he was playing with Wales, but they were never near qualification. Mark Hughes,Ian Rush, Gary Speed, Neville Southhall.
Bale was outstanding in the qualifiers and at Euro 16. He led them to Euro 20 and the World Cup. He had a poor World Cup maybe the retirement was on his mind before then
Yeah he probably would have been gone before now only for the WC.
Not even Wales' best ever player let alone Britain.😂
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on January 09, 2023, 10:21:14 PM
Not even Wales' best ever player let alone Britain.😂
The smiley face confirms it, like using Fact at the end of a statement
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 09, 2023, 10:28:54 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on January 09, 2023, 10:21:14 PM
Not even Wales' best ever player let alone Britain.😂
The smiley face confirms it, like using Fact at the end of a statement
Case closed sir
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 09, 2023, 10:28:54 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on January 09, 2023, 10:21:14 PM
Not even Wales' best ever player let alone Britain.😂
The smiley face confirms it, like using Fact at the end of a statement
Exactly
If playing careers are measured by longevity then of course Giggs wins out. But Bale was a level above Giggs. Bale is a step below Ronaldo, Messi territory. Somewhere alongside Iniesta, Modric, Mattheus, Van Basten. Rooney might make that tier too. Giggs is below that .
Quote from: thewobbler on January 09, 2023, 10:51:58 PM
If playing careers are measured by longevity then of course Giggs wins out. But Bale was a level above Giggs. Bale is a step below Ronaldo, Messi territory. Somewhere alongside Iniesta, Modric, Mattheus, Van Basten. Rooney might make that tier too. Giggs is below that .
Think people often underrate how good Giggs was at his best as a winger, maybe due to the fact they view him as someone who just had a long career rather than on his merits as a player. He's up there with any of them imo.
Some english journo on ssn there tryin to bring gazza into the best british player ever debate.....5 champs leagues v .....wearin a pair of false tits at a homecoming......in fairness Best was mentioned
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Quote from: thewobbler on January 09, 2023, 10:51:58 PM
If playing careers are measured by longevity then of course Giggs wins out. But Bale was a level above Giggs. Bale is a step below Ronaldo, Messi territory. Somewhere alongside Iniesta, Modric, Mattheus, Van Basten. Rooney might make that tier too. Giggs is below that .
Think people often underrate how good Giggs was at his best as a winger, maybe due to the fact they view him as someone who just had a long career rather than on his merits as a player. He's up there with any of them imo.
Giggs played under SAF for vast majority of his career and people seem to neglect the fact that Sir Alex could and did get the very best out of his players. Would Giggs have been the same player had he moved clubs a few times?
Quote from: general_lee on January 10, 2023, 12:00:48 PM
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Quote from: thewobbler on January 09, 2023, 10:51:58 PM
If playing careers are measured by longevity then of course Giggs wins out. But Bale was a level above Giggs. Bale is a step below Ronaldo, Messi territory. Somewhere alongside Iniesta, Modric, Mattheus, Van Basten. Rooney might make that tier too. Giggs is below that .
Think people often underrate how good Giggs was at his best as a winger, maybe due to the fact they view him as someone who just had a long career rather than on his merits as a player. He's up there with any of them imo.
Giggs played under SAF for vast majority of his career and people seem to neglect the fact that Sir Alex could and did get the very best out of his players. Would Giggs have been the same player had he moved clubs a few times?
If your granny had balls and all that lol
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Quote from: general_lee on January 10, 2023, 12:00:48 PM
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Quote from: thewobbler on January 09, 2023, 10:51:58 PM
If playing careers are measured by longevity then of course Giggs wins out. But Bale was a level above Giggs. Bale is a step below Ronaldo, Messi territory. Somewhere alongside Iniesta, Modric, Mattheus, Van Basten. Rooney might make that tier too. Giggs is below that .
Think people often underrate how good Giggs was at his best as a winger, maybe due to the fact they view him as someone who just had a long career rather than on his merits as a player. He's up there with any of them imo.
Giggs played under SAF for vast majority of his career and people seem to neglect the fact that Sir Alex could and did get the very best out of his players. Would Giggs have been the same player had he moved clubs a few times?
If your granny had balls and all that lol
If your granny had balls it would be a transgender these days
Just going back to Bale - it was his 25th Prem appearance before he got his first win for Spurs. Quite the stat
Full of useless info i am
Spurs never won a game with him at left back if I mind right. Moved to left wing and never looked back. Hugely talented footballer but was never too sure on his attitude.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/gareth-bale-net-worth-business-25932906
Roberts, who is now assistant manager at Crystal Palace, told The Athletic: "They joked during the Euros that they wanted Gareth to buy a Welsh club lower down. It was Merthyr (who play in the seventh tier of the English league system), actually.
"Everyone would sign for him and take them all the way through the pyramid to the Premier League, so they could all play together every week. That's how close they were — they didn't want to just do it during the international breaks, they wanted to be together every day of the week."
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 10, 2023, 08:57:41 PM
Spurs never won a game with him at left back if I mind right. Moved to left wing and never looked back. Hugely talented footballer but was never too sure on his attitude.
His attitude just wasn't there later on. Look at the Wales. Golf. Madrid. Sign he had. Didnt give a shite about Madrid and don't really blame him either, fans there never took to him.
Rashford has turned from a flop to star ;)
Quote from: general_lee on January 10, 2023, 12:00:48 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 10, 2023, 12:07:28 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 09, 2023, 10:51:58 PM
If playing careers are measured by longevity then of course Giggs wins out. But Bale was a level above Giggs. Bale is a step below Ronaldo, Messi territory. Somewhere alongside Iniesta, Modric, Mattheus, Van Basten. Rooney might make that tier too. Giggs is below that .
Think people often underrate how good Giggs was at his best as a winger, maybe due to the fact they view him as someone who just had a long career rather than on his merits as a player. He's up there with any of them imo.
Giggs played under SAF for vast majority of his career and people seem to neglect the fact that Sir Alex could and did get the very best out of his players. Would Giggs have been the same player had he moved clubs a few times?
Always thought Giggs was hugely overrated as a winger. Too easily pushed off the ball and always yapping for frees. He tended to perform well when the team was winning handy. I preferred him playing in the last few years , when the team needed something , he came on to thread an important pass or two from centre midfield
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 10, 2023, 09:55:47 PM
Rashford has turned from a flop to star ;)
He was never a flop. Had a couple poor seasons. Played with a shoulder injury for nearly 2 seasons. He is never going to be prolific but he is flying at the moment.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 10, 2023, 09:55:47 PM
Rashford has turned from a flop to star ;)
He was never a flop. Had a couple poor seasons. Played with a shoulder injury for nearly 2 seasons. He is never going to be prolific but he is flying at the moment.
I jest but he was definitely distracted for long periods
Bale a way better footballer than Giggs was.
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Quote from: snoopdog on January 10, 2023, 10:06:10 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 10, 2023, 09:55:47 PM
Rashford has turned from a flop to star ;)
He was never a flop. Had a couple poor seasons. Played with a shoulder injury for nearly 2 seasons. He is never going to be prolific but he is flying at the moment.
I jest but he was definitely distracted for long periods
By his other work maybe
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 10, 2023, 09:55:47 PM
Rashford has turned from a flop to star ;)
He was never a flop. Had a couple poor seasons. Played with a shoulder injury for nearly 2 seasons. He is never going to be prolific but he is flying at the moment.
I jest but he was definitely distracted for long periods
By his other work maybe
Southgate benched him. Talk about not knowing what you are doing.
Quote from: trailer on January 11, 2023, 10:35:04 AM
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 10, 2023, 09:55:47 PM
Rashford has turned from a flop to star ;)
He was never a flop. Had a couple poor seasons. Played with a shoulder injury for nearly 2 seasons. He is never going to be prolific but he is flying at the moment.
I jest but he was definitely distracted for long periods
By his other work maybe
Southgate benched him. Talk about not knowing what you are doing.
In fairness he was shite for 2 years and probably lucky to be in the squad at all.
Good win for Southampton over Man City, it's now Man United's Carabao Cup to lose.....
Quote from: Turf on January 11, 2023, 09:54:35 PM
Good win for Southampton over Man City, it's now Man United's Carabao Cup to lose.....
Money bags Newcastle Uniteds to lose.
Bit of shemuzzle after penalties with notts forest and wolves
Utd will be borrowing that bus soon ;D
Quote from: north_antrim_hound on January 11, 2023, 10:01:54 PM
Bit of shemuzzle after penalties with notts forest and wolves
What was that about
Lively debut from Felix
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Quote from: north_antrim_hound on January 11, 2023, 10:01:54 PM
Bit of shemuzzle after penalties with notts forest and wolves
What was that about
Gibbs white celrbratng his penalty in front of his old fans didn't go down well
Potter, the boy who came to die
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on January 12, 2023, 09:35:28 PM
Potter, the boy who came to die
If abramovic was about he wouldn't see midnight
Should never have left where he was
I W£nder w£y h£ l££t
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Quote from: north_antrim_hound on January 11, 2023, 10:01:54 PM
Bit of shemuzzle after penalties with notts forest and wolves
What was that about
Gibbs white celrbratng his penalty in front of his old fans didn't go down well
Cheers Hoof. Seen him in the middle of part of it lol
Be interestin to see the payoff potter gets. Has to be dead man walkin. Some setup. Even if u fail yer quids in. Why wouldnt ye...
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Quote from: Hoof Hearted on January 12, 2023, 09:33:00 PM
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Quote from: north_antrim_hound on January 11, 2023, 10:01:54 PM
Bit of shemuzzle after penalties with notts forest and wolves
What was that about
Gibbs white celrbratng his penalty in front of his old fans didn't go down well
Cheers Hoof. Seen him in the middle of part of it lol
Be interestin to see the payoff potter gets. Has to be dead man walkin. Some setup. Even if u fail yer quids in. Why wouldnt ye...
where do they go to replace him
Tuchel 😂
Never shouldve gone. Terrible decision
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 12, 2023, 10:30:26 PM
Tuchel 😂
Never shouldve gone. Terrible decision
Agreed...Potter left some team behind hm at Brighton as well
I never thought Potter to Chelsea was a good idea
He's on borrowed time now
How can Rashford not be interfering there when he's standing over the ball and pulling the City players towards his run??
Quote from: J70 on January 14, 2023, 02:09:51 PM
How can Rashford not be interfering there when he's standing over the ball and pulling the City players towards his run??
Yeah I don't get it, he literally stops the City players getting to the ball.
Wouldn't have known Haaland was playing at all. When did Manchester City last have just 1 shot on target in a Premier league game? That young Garnacho lad has something about him.
There are 20 games to go, anyone of 6 can put in a shift and gather close to 50 plus points
f**king hell as bad as it would be seeing Arsenal win the league, it be 100 times worse if Man United win it. Don't f**k it up Arsenal.
My hopes and dreams for this season are well and truly in The Emirates! ;D
Liverpool a bit shit this season then again they were a bit shit in 2005 and would go on to win the Champions league.
Another defeat for neighbours Everton, Lampard running out of road.
Quote from: laoislad on January 14, 2023, 03:00:53 PM
f**king hell as bad as it would be seeing Arsenal win the league, it be 100 times worse if Man United win it. Don't f**k it up Arsenal.
Fully confident United will finish above Arsenal tbh, just think they will bottle it. City are the worry, always capable of going on a 10+ game winning streak.
The last time I looked at the bottom 3 in September, Leicester were bottom of the table. Forest and Bournemouth were riding shotgun.
3 totally different teams occupy the spaces now.
Liverpool and Chelsea the laughing stock of the Premier league. Long may it continue! ;D
What's been allowed to happen at Liverpool is criminal. One of the things that made Ferguson such a genius was his ability to build a new team before the team he had were even finished.
I know they've made numerous signings but that Liverpool team is more or less the same group of players who won the League and Champions League.
There have been areas that need refreshing that are so glaring obvious it's utterly bizarre how it's been handled.
The team is gone stale, Klopp still trying to play the same way with players who are now 4 to 5 years older.
What happened with the talk of new owners?
Quote from: OrchardOrange on January 14, 2023, 05:33:52 PM
Liverpool and Chelsea the laughing stock of the Premier league. Long may it continue! ;D
Exactly. The worst clubs with the worst fans. No class.
Quote from: jcpen on January 14, 2023, 02:10:53 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 14, 2023, 02:09:51 PM
How can Rashford not be interfering there when he's standing over the ball and pulling the City players towards his run??
Yeah I don't get it, he literally stops the City players getting to the ball.
The problem was no city player went near him to make it so that he was interfering with play by the current rules which shows the stupidity of the rule. In order to interfere he must stop a city player from playing the ball or challenge them whilst they play it. Neither of those things happened
Quote from: David McKeown on January 14, 2023, 07:10:37 PM
Quote from: jcpen on January 14, 2023, 02:10:53 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 14, 2023, 02:09:51 PM
How can Rashford not be interfering there when he's standing over the ball and pulling the City players towards his run??
Yeah I don't get it, he literally stops the City players getting to the ball.
The problem was no city player went near him to make it so that he was interfering with play by the current rules which shows the stupidity of the rule. In order to interfere he must stop a city player from playing the ball or challenge them whilst they play it. Neither of those things happened
Yeah, looks like it was legal as per this season's rules, but in this case the law is an ass. Rashford isn't there... everyone reacts differently. He did everything to look like he was getting on the end of it except actually touch the ball.
Some of the stuff coming out of IFAB is ludicrous.
Quote from: jcpen on January 14, 2023, 05:54:48 PM
What's been allowed to happen at Liverpool is criminal. One of the things that made Ferguson such a genius was his ability to build a new team before the team he had were even finished.
I know they've made numerous signings but that Liverpool team is more or less the same group of players who won the League and Champions League.
There have been areas that need refreshing that are so glaring obvious it's utterly bizarre how it's been handled.
The team is gone stale, Klopp still trying to play the same way with players who are now 4 to 5 years older.
What happened with the talk of new owners?
Thats the difference in a very very good manager like Klopp and a truly great one, imo.
It's a tough call but thought it was a goal myself. I don't think he interfered enough with the City players and I think they could have made a better effort getting back. Had City scored it and it was disallowed they'd be incensed. Remember City scoring a goal against Villa I think, Tyrone Mings challenged by a City player well offside and lost the ball without controlling it. City praised the referee. Thought Rashford decision was less contentious.
Anyone see Brentford Bournemouth penalty for Toney. Now that was a shocker from VAR.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 14, 2023, 07:37:38 PM
Quote from: jcpen on January 14, 2023, 05:54:48 PM
What's been allowed to happen at Liverpool is criminal. One of the things that made Ferguson such a genius was his ability to build a new team before the team he had were even finished.
I know they've made numerous signings but that Liverpool team is more or less the same group of players who won the League and Champions League.
There have been areas that need refreshing that are so glaring obvious it's utterly bizarre how it's been handled.
The team is gone stale, Klopp still trying to play the same way with players who are now 4 to 5 years older.
What happened with the talk of new owners?
Thats the difference in a very very good manager like Klopp and a truly great one, imo.
Ferguson was a genius, yes, but even he had a down period in the mid-2000s and he then failed to rebuild United's midfield back to the same level after Scholes and Keane were done (hands tied like Klopp's no doubt), luckily for him at a time when there was no other consistently excellent team like you have now with City. The 90s transition was fairly seamless, but that came off the back of a never-to-be-repeated crop of youth players coming through. The margins are thin at the top.
Some here were crowing that Klopp was done in '17 and again in '21. I would expect, if he gets the support, he'll have Liverpool back in shape this time next year.
In accordance with the rules the correct decision was (likely) made.
But then again you have to ask yourself why the offside laws have evolved to cater for interference, intent, etc.
And Rashford, knowingly or not, was a significant presence in the goals being scored. So it should have been disallowed imho.
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Isn't sport just brilliant though? It just keeps throwing up things you'd never think of.
For Brighton's 3rd goal the co commentator acclaimed the goal but quickly remarked 'atrocious defending'. Objectively can you have both, a brilliant goal and bad defending?
I thought there was a defensive mistake which allowed the cross to come in but the Brighton player still had a lot to do in the box and managed to score with technical elegance.
I thought it was much more a brilliant goal than atrocious defending.
Can't please some people. Years ago any player on the pitch would be deemed active and therefore offside. I remember a goal in a Euros maybe 2004 where an injured player lying off to the side of the pitch was deemed offside and the goal was ruled out. Think it was for the Dutch. I could be wrong.
When they changed the rule to specify a player had to be "interfering with play" there was a bit of debate. It gives the benefit of the doubt to the attacking team and leads to more goals but it leaves a grey area in the rules. What "interfering with play" means is subjective. I didn't know the wording of the rule changed this year, probably to remove the subjective element of the grey area. It has unintended consequences like the goal today.
Anyway, great to see those city boys crying
Quote from: J70 on January 14, 2023, 08:11:15 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 14, 2023, 07:37:38 PM
Quote from: jcpen on January 14, 2023, 05:54:48 PM
What's been allowed to happen at Liverpool is criminal. One of the things that made Ferguson such a genius was his ability to build a new team before the team he had were even finished.
I know they've made numerous signings but that Liverpool team is more or less the same group of players who won the League and Champions League.
There have been areas that need refreshing that are so glaring obvious it's utterly bizarre how it's been handled.
The team is gone stale, Klopp still trying to play the same way with players who are now 4 to 5 years older.
What happened with the talk of new owners?
Thats the difference in a very very good manager like Klopp and a truly great one, imo.
Ferguson was a genius, yes, but even he had a down period in the mid-2000s and he then failed to rebuild United's midfield back to the same level after Scholes and Keane were done (hands tied like Klopp's no doubt), luckily for him at a time when there was no other consistently excellent team like you have now with City. The 90s transition was fairly seamless, but that came off the back of a never-to-be-repeated crop of youth players coming through. The margins are thin at the top.
Some here were crowing that Klopp was done in '17 and again in '21. I would expect, if he gets the support, he'll have Liverpool back in shape this time next year.
but look what he did after that down period- created probably the best English team ever from 06-09 and nurtured a skinny teenager into the best player in the world.
Not sure Klopp has a rebuild in him at Liverpool tbh.
So Pep doesn't care about the league! Could be an implosion there yet. Some craic if they are dumped out early in Europe.
The odds for Arsenal and Man City are more or less the same
https://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league
Arsenal 5/4
Man City 13/12
. You tend to get more clutch moments as players get injured and momentum slows down. Arsenal are only 5 points ahead and it's a long way to Tipperary.
Hugo Lloris complaining to his defenders when it should have been a routine save.
Quote from: seafoid on January 15, 2023, 07:30:03 AM
The odds for Arsenal and Man City are more or less the same
https://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league
Arsenal 5/4
Man City 13/12
. You tend to get more clutch moments as players get injured and momentum slows down. Arsenal are only 5 points ahead and it's a long way to Tipperary.
*8 points ;)
Quote from: thewobbler on January 14, 2023, 08:12:54 PM
In accordance with the rules the correct decision was (likely) made.
But then again you have to ask yourself why the offside laws have evolved to cater for interference, intent, etc.
And Rashford, knowingly or not, was a significant presence in the goals being scored. So it should have been disallowed imho.
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Isn't sport just brilliant though? It just keeps throwing up things you'd never think of.
MOTD2 showed the goal from the perspective of Allison who'd set himself up for a Rashford shot only for Fernandez to steal in from a different angle.
If that's not interfering with play, then what is!
Quote from: johnnycool on January 16, 2023, 02:31:28 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 14, 2023, 08:12:54 PM
In accordance with the rules the correct decision was (likely) made.
But then again you have to ask yourself why the offside laws have evolved to cater for interference, intent, etc.
And Rashford, knowingly or not, was a significant presence in the goals being scored. So it should have been disallowed imho.
—-
Isn't sport just brilliant though? It just keeps throwing up things you'd never think of.
MOTD2 showed the goal from the perspective of Allison who'd set himself up for a Rashford shot only for Fernandez to steal in from a different angle.
If that's not interfering with play, then what is!
No wonder Liverpool conceded 3 if Allison was up in Manchester playing for City ;)
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 16, 2023, 02:34:51 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 16, 2023, 02:31:28 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 14, 2023, 08:12:54 PM
In accordance with the rules the correct decision was (likely) made.
But then again you have to ask yourself why the offside laws have evolved to cater for interference, intent, etc.
And Rashford, knowingly or not, was a significant presence in the goals being scored. So it should have been disallowed imho.
—-
Isn't sport just brilliant though? It just keeps throwing up things you'd never think of.
MOTD2 showed the goal from the perspective of Allison who'd set himself up for a Rashford shot only for Fernandez to steal in from a different angle.
If that's not interfering with play, then what is!
No wonder Liverpool conceded 3 if Allison was up in Manchester playing for City ;)
ha ha, very good.
Ederson still has a clean sheet then..
Quote from: johnnycool on January 16, 2023, 02:31:28 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 14, 2023, 08:12:54 PM
In accordance with the rules the correct decision was (likely) made.
But then again you have to ask yourself why the offside laws have evolved to cater for interference, intent, etc.
And Rashford, knowingly or not, was a significant presence in the goals being scored. So it should have been disallowed imho.
—-
Isn't sport just brilliant though? It just keeps throwing up things you'd never think of.
MOTD2 showed the goal from the perspective of Allison who'd set himself up for a Rashford shot only for Fernandez to steal in from a different angle.
If that's not interfering with play, then what is!
Two neutral commentators in Danny and Alan gave their 'view' on it they said by the letter of the law its a goal but said common sense wasn't used ... The keeper keeps his eye on the ball, you've said that yourself in a post on goal keeping in hurling, I can find it for you if ya want
I don't know what Ederson was getting set for but it sure as hell wasn't a Rashford left footed shot ;D
Yet another example of common sense not being so common.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 16, 2023, 02:42:09 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 16, 2023, 02:31:28 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 14, 2023, 08:12:54 PM
In accordance with the rules the correct decision was (likely) made.
But then again you have to ask yourself why the offside laws have evolved to cater for interference, intent, etc.
And Rashford, knowingly or not, was a significant presence in the goals being scored. So it should have been disallowed imho.
—-
Isn't sport just brilliant though? It just keeps throwing up things you'd never think of.
MOTD2 showed the goal from the perspective of Allison who'd set himself up for a Rashford shot only for Fernandez to steal in from a different angle.
If that's not interfering with play, then what is!
Two neutral commentators in Danny and Alan gave their 'view' on it they said by the letter of the law its a goal but said common sense wasn't used ... The keeper keeps his eye on the ball, you've said that yourself in a post on goal keeping in hurling, I can find it for you if ya want
Yeah a goal by letter of the law but I'm a United fan and think it should be offside, rule wants fixed. Cute enough of Rashford not to touch it. Anyway we'll take it, far better team so deserved rub of the green there.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 16, 2023, 02:49:15 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 16, 2023, 02:42:09 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 16, 2023, 02:31:28 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 14, 2023, 08:12:54 PM
In accordance with the rules the correct decision was (likely) made.
But then again you have to ask yourself why the offside laws have evolved to cater for interference, intent, etc.
And Rashford, knowingly or not, was a significant presence in the goals being scored. So it should have been disallowed imho.
—-
Isn't sport just brilliant though? It just keeps throwing up things you'd never think of.
MOTD2 showed the goal from the perspective of Allison who'd set himself up for a Rashford shot only for Fernandez to steal in from a different angle.
If that's not interfering with play, then what is!
Two neutral commentators in Danny and Alan gave their 'view' on it they said by the letter of the law its a goal but said common sense wasn't used ... The keeper keeps his eye on the ball, you've said that yourself in a post on goal keeping in hurling, I can find it for you if ya want
Yeah a goal by letter of the law but I'm a United fan and think it should be offside, rule wants fixed. Cute enough of Rashford not to touch it. Anyway we'll take it, far better team so deserved rub of the green there.
They changed it to improve it recently, so change it back?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 16, 2023, 02:42:09 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 16, 2023, 02:31:28 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 14, 2023, 08:12:54 PM
In accordance with the rules the correct decision was (likely) made.
But then again you have to ask yourself why the offside laws have evolved to cater for interference, intent, etc.
And Rashford, knowingly or not, was a significant presence in the goals being scored. So it should have been disallowed imho.
—-
Isn't sport just brilliant though? It just keeps throwing up things you'd never think of.
MOTD2 showed the goal from the perspective of Allison Ederson who'd set himself up for a Rashford shot only for Fernandez to steal in from a different angle.
If that's not interfering with play, then what is!
Two neutral commentators in Danny and Alan gave their 'view' on it they said by the letter of the law its a goal but said common sense wasn't used ... The keeper keeps his eye on the ball, you've said that yourself in a post on goal keeping in hurling, I can find it for you if ya want
I've said in the past in relation to hurling a keeper will look at the body position of the attacking player to try and work out where they're going to hit it. You can only keep an eye on the ball once it's hit and what you are alluding to is that if a ball is dropping in a hurling goalkeeper needs to follow the flight of the ball and ignore lads swinging on it.
If it's still to be hit by a player then you need to track their movements as they're baring down on goal.
Quote from: johnnycool on January 16, 2023, 03:15:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 16, 2023, 02:42:09 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 16, 2023, 02:31:28 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 14, 2023, 08:12:54 PM
In accordance with the rules the correct decision was (likely) made.
But then again you have to ask yourself why the offside laws have evolved to cater for interference, intent, etc.
And Rashford, knowingly or not, was a significant presence in the goals being scored. So it should have been disallowed imho.
—-
Isn't sport just brilliant though? It just keeps throwing up things you'd never think of.
MOTD2 showed the goal from the perspective of Allison Ederson who'd set himself up for a Rashford shot only for Fernandez to steal in from a different angle.
If that's not interfering with play, then what is!
Two neutral commentators in Danny and Alan gave their 'view' on it they said by the letter of the law its a goal but said common sense wasn't used ... The keeper keeps his eye on the ball, you've said that yourself in a post on goal keeping in hurling, I can find it for you if ya want
I've said in the past in relation to hurling a keeper will look at the body position of the attacking player to try and work out where they're going to hit it. You can only keep an eye on the ball once it's hit and what you are alluding to is that if a ball is dropping in a hurling goalkeeper needs to follow the flight of the ball and ignore lads swinging on it.
If it's still to be hit by a player then you need to track their movements as they're baring down on goal.
He did neither by the looks of it, needs more training
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 16, 2023, 03:28:30 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 16, 2023, 03:15:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 16, 2023, 02:42:09 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 16, 2023, 02:31:28 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 14, 2023, 08:12:54 PM
In accordance with the rules the correct decision was (likely) made.
But then again you have to ask yourself why the offside laws have evolved to cater for interference, intent, etc.
And Rashford, knowingly or not, was a significant presence in the goals being scored. So it should have been disallowed imho.
—-
Isn't sport just brilliant though? It just keeps throwing up things you'd never think of.
MOTD2 showed the goal from the perspective of Allison Ederson who'd set himself up for a Rashford shot only for Fernandez to steal in from a different angle.
If that's not interfering with play, then what is!
Two neutral commentators in Danny and Alan gave their 'view' on it they said by the letter of the law its a goal but said common sense wasn't used ... The keeper keeps his eye on the ball, you've said that yourself in a post on goal keeping in hurling, I can find it for you if ya want
I've said in the past in relation to hurling a keeper will look at the body position of the attacking player to try and work out where they're going to hit it. You can only keep an eye on the ball once it's hit and what you are alluding to is that if a ball is dropping in a hurling goalkeeper needs to follow the flight of the ball and ignore lads swinging on it.
If it's still to be hit by a player then you need to track their movements as they're baring down on goal.
He did neither by the looks of it, needs more training
He set his angles based on Rashfords run rather than Fernandez's so yes, evidently a lot of premier league players need more training and education on how this change to the rules is being implemented.
Quote from: johnnycool on January 16, 2023, 03:48:15 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 16, 2023, 03:28:30 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 16, 2023, 03:15:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 16, 2023, 02:42:09 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 16, 2023, 02:31:28 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 14, 2023, 08:12:54 PM
In accordance with the rules the correct decision was (likely) made.
But then again you have to ask yourself why the offside laws have evolved to cater for interference, intent, etc.
And Rashford, knowingly or not, was a significant presence in the goals being scored. So it should have been disallowed imho.
—-
Isn't sport just brilliant though? It just keeps throwing up things you'd never think of.
MOTD2 showed the goal from the perspective of Allison Ederson who'd set himself up for a Rashford shot only for Fernandez to steal in from a different angle.
If that's not interfering with play, then what is!
Two neutral commentators in Danny and Alan gave their 'view' on it they said by the letter of the law its a goal but said common sense wasn't used ... The keeper keeps his eye on the ball, you've said that yourself in a post on goal keeping in hurling, I can find it for you if ya want
I've said in the past in relation to hurling a keeper will look at the body position of the attacking player to try and work out where they're going to hit it. You can only keep an eye on the ball once it's hit and what you are alluding to is that if a ball is dropping in a hurling goalkeeper needs to follow the flight of the ball and ignore lads swinging on it.
If it's still to be hit by a player then you need to track their movements as they're baring down on goal.
He did neither by the looks of it, needs more training
He set his angles based on Rashfords run rather than Fernandez's so yes, evidently a lot of premier league players need more training and education on how this change to the rules is being implemented.
I think the problem is that the offside rule seems to be very reactionary. In 2012/2013 season Johnny Evans scored an own goal against Newcastle whilst being challenged by an offside Demba Ba. The linesman flagged for offside and Mike Dean awarded the goal. The FA then came out and said Ba couldn't be interfering because he didn't touch the ball. Then a load of goals started being allowed when players were blocking goal keepers views. The IFAB didn't like that so introduced criteria for what constitutes interference when the ball is not touched. Now those criteria have become too prescriptive and will no doubt looked at again. I think the city defender is at fault if he goes towards the ball Rashford will either touch it or stop him from touching it and we aren't having this debate. The fact he doesn't do that needs questioned.
Quote from: David McKeown on January 16, 2023, 08:27:07 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 16, 2023, 03:48:15 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 16, 2023, 03:28:30 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 16, 2023, 03:15:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 16, 2023, 02:42:09 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 16, 2023, 02:31:28 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 14, 2023, 08:12:54 PM
In accordance with the rules the correct decision was (likely) made.
But then again you have to ask yourself why the offside laws have evolved to cater for interference, intent, etc.
And Rashford, knowingly or not, was a significant presence in the goals being scored. So it should have been disallowed imho.
—-
Isn't sport just brilliant though? It just keeps throwing up things you'd never think of.
MOTD2 showed the goal from the perspective of Allison Ederson who'd set himself up for a Rashford shot only for Fernandez to steal in from a different angle.
If that's not interfering with play, then what is!
Two neutral commentators in Danny and Alan gave their 'view' on it they said by the letter of the law its a goal but said common sense wasn't used ... The keeper keeps his eye on the ball, you've said that yourself in a post on goal keeping in hurling, I can find it for you if ya want
I've said in the past in relation to hurling a keeper will look at the body position of the attacking player to try and work out where they're going to hit it. You can only keep an eye on the ball once it's hit and what you are alluding to is that if a ball is dropping in a hurling goalkeeper needs to follow the flight of the ball and ignore lads swinging on it.
If it's still to be hit by a player then you need to track their movements as they're baring down on goal.
He did neither by the looks of it, needs more training
He set his angles based on Rashfords run rather than Fernandez's so yes, evidently a lot of premier league players need more training and education on how this change to the rules is being implemented.
I think the problem is that the offside rule seems to be very reactionary. In 2012/2013 season Johnny Evans scored an own goal against Newcastle whilst being challenged by an offside Demba Ba. The linesman flagged for offside and Mike Dean awarded the goal. The FA then came out and said Ba couldn't be interfering because he didn't touch the ball. Then a load of goals started being allowed when players were blocking goal keepers views. The IFAB didn't like that so introduced criteria for what constitutes interference when the ball is not touched. Now those criteria have become too prescriptive and will no doubt looked at again. I think the city defender is at fault if he goes towards the ball Rashford will either touch it or stop him from touching it and we aren't having this debate. The fact he doesn't do that needs questioned.
Nail on head. People crying that the rules are too vague are the same ones crying when the rules are too complicated. The majority of criticism I've seen on this incident blame the ref when he actually implemented the rules as written.
Quote from: David McKeown on January 16, 2023, 08:27:07 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 16, 2023, 03:48:15 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 16, 2023, 03:28:30 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 16, 2023, 03:15:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 16, 2023, 02:42:09 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 16, 2023, 02:31:28 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 14, 2023, 08:12:54 PM
In accordance with the rules the correct decision was (likely) made.
But then again you have to ask yourself why the offside laws have evolved to cater for interference, intent, etc.
And Rashford, knowingly or not, was a significant presence in the goals being scored. So it should have been disallowed imho.
—-
Isn't sport just brilliant though? It just keeps throwing up things you'd never think of.
MOTD2 showed the goal from the perspective of Allison Ederson who'd set himself up for a Rashford shot only for Fernandez to steal in from a different angle.
If that's not interfering with play, then what is!
Two neutral commentators in Danny and Alan gave their 'view' on it they said by the letter of the law its a goal but said common sense wasn't used ... The keeper keeps his eye on the ball, you've said that yourself in a post on goal keeping in hurling, I can find it for you if ya want
I've said in the past in relation to hurling a keeper will look at the body position of the attacking player to try and work out where they're going to hit it. You can only keep an eye on the ball once it's hit and what you are alluding to is that if a ball is dropping in a hurling goalkeeper needs to follow the flight of the ball and ignore lads swinging on it.
If it's still to be hit by a player then you need to track their movements as they're baring down on goal.
He did neither by the looks of it, needs more training
He set his angles based on Rashfords run rather than Fernandez's so yes, evidently a lot of premier league players need more training and education on how this change to the rules is being implemented.
I think the problem is that the offside rule seems to be very reactionary. In 2012/2013 season Johnny Evans scored an own goal against Newcastle whilst being challenged by an offside Demba Ba. The linesman flagged for offside and Mike Dean awarded the goal. The FA then came out and said Ba couldn't be interfering because he didn't touch the ball. Then a load of goals started being allowed when players were blocking goal keepers views. The IFAB didn't like that so introduced criteria for what constitutes interference when the ball is not touched. Now those criteria have become too prescriptive and will no doubt looked at again. I think the city defender is at fault if he goes towards the ball Rashford will either touch it or stop him from touching it and we aren't having this debate. The fact he doesn't do that needs questioned.
The City defender probably didn't do any of those things as he knew Rashford was a mile offside and was sprinting onto the through ball and in his mind interfering with play.
A lot of defenders are going to need to be re-educated on these new guidelines.
Wolves are awful. Jimenez hasn't been same player since head injury and Traore is awful. Good to see Kelliher in goal tonight. Should have a handy clean sheet tonight.
I know it's long beyond it, BUT Kane would have made much more sense for City and their style of play. There are articles popping up to point how Haaland does not suit them, despite banging in goals.
On MOTD they highlighted all his runs and the City boys never went for him!
Haaland would have ideal for United in fairness. Even now if Conte sticks around Son would be an amazing signing for the top sides.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/live/football/63881985
GOAL - MAN CITY 0-1 SPURS
GOAL - MAN CITY 0-2 SPURS
Haaland hasn't exactly made them better
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 19, 2023, 08:52:03 PM
Haaland hasn't exactly made them better
He's done what Ronaldo did to United last year. Unsettled them and took away from system and players around him.
Quote from: seafoid on January 19, 2023, 08:48:32 PM
https://www.bbc.com/sport/live/football/63881985
GOAL - MAN CITY 0-1 SPURS
GOAL - MAN CITY 0-2 SPURS
Opening goal was poor by Ederson. Second goal poor defending. Pep would be pulling his hair out had he hair.
I don't think Haaland was bought to make City "better" per se, so much as more varied, and more productive in tight games.
But like United with Ronaldo, I don't get impression that the rest of the squad overly happy with any tactics that see them reduced to feeding ammunition for a sniper.
Spurs are worse than Everton at the minute
Tottenham doing a Tottenham on it. Just 18 minutes into the 2nd half for Manchester City to turn it around
Quote from: thewobbler on January 19, 2023, 08:59:07 PM
I don't think Haaland was bought to make City "better" per se, so much as more varied, and more productive in tight games.
But like United with Ronaldo, I don't get impression that the rest of the squad overly happy with any tactics that see them reduced to feeding ammunition for a sniper.
I still think he'll win them the CL.
Loved that interview from Pep. He has declared war.
Quote from: ONeill on January 19, 2023, 10:58:01 PM
Loved that interview from Pep. He has declared war.
Did he not give up on it last week?
Don't think he was sarcastic this week.
That was a message to the fans tonight. The next wave.
Expect them to win 15 or in a row now
Quote from: ONeill on January 19, 2023, 11:07:07 PM
Don't think he was sarcastic this week.
That was a message to the fans tonight. The next wave.
Thought he was bang on with his message to his players and fans.
He's railing against their comfortable attitude which will be their undoing players especially and home fans expecting the win, just because who they are, but with no fire or passion they'll get caught out like they have in a few games recently.
Quote from: johnnycool on January 20, 2023, 09:32:58 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 19, 2023, 11:07:07 PM
Don't think he was sarcastic this week.
That was a message to the fans tonight. The next wave.
Thought he was bang on with his message to his players and fans.
He's railing against their comfortable attitude which will be their undoing players especially and home fans expecting the win, just because who they are, but with no fire or passion they'll get caught out like they have in a few games recently.
Prawn sandwich brigade
Chelsea spending some amount of money. Imagine Newcastle were doing that right now. There'd be uproar
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on January 20, 2023, 09:51:18 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 20, 2023, 09:32:58 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 19, 2023, 11:07:07 PM
Don't think he was sarcastic this week.
That was a message to the fans tonight. The next wave.
Thought he was bang on with his message to his players and fans.
He's railing against their comfortable attitude which will be their undoing players especially and home fans expecting the win, just because who they are, but with no fire or passion they'll get caught out like they have in a few games recently.
Prawn sandwich brigade
In fairness to City they have always had 35k hardcore fans, but have obviously now gained lots of hangers on and new fans spending their time taking selfies at matches
Quote from: Saffrongael on January 20, 2023, 10:25:50 AM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on January 20, 2023, 09:51:18 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 20, 2023, 09:32:58 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 19, 2023, 11:07:07 PM
Don't think he was sarcastic this week.
That was a message to the fans tonight. The next wave.
Thought he was bang on with his message to his players and fans.
He's railing against their comfortable attitude which will be their undoing players especially and home fans expecting the win, just because who they are, but with no fire or passion they'll get caught out like they have in a few games recently.
Prawn sandwich brigade
In fairness to City they have always had 35k hardcore fans, but have obviously now gained lots of hangers on and new fans spending their time taking selfies at matches
I remember when they were in the old Third Division. It's not that long ago.
Chelsea were the same. An old club with success in the past who were bought by a billionaire and turned into a superpower.
Quote from: seafoid on January 20, 2023, 10:31:46 AM
Quote from: Saffrongael on January 20, 2023, 10:25:50 AM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on January 20, 2023, 09:51:18 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 20, 2023, 09:32:58 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 19, 2023, 11:07:07 PM
Don't think he was sarcastic this week.
That was a message to the fans tonight. The next wave.
Thought he was bang on with his message to his players and fans.
He's railing against their comfortable attitude which will be their undoing players especially and home fans expecting the win, just because who they are, but with no fire or passion they'll get caught out like they have in a few games recently.
Prawn sandwich brigade
In fairness to City they have always had 35k hardcore fans, but have obviously now gained lots of hangers on and new fans spending their time taking selfies at matches
I remember when they were in the old Third Division. It's not that long ago.
Chelsea were the same. An old club with success in the past who were bought by a billionaire and turned into a superpower.
Not that long from Middlesborough tanked them something like 8-1 on last day of the season! Think it was round 07 just before the Arabs came in.
And David James was being used as an emergency striker.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zePYLafB-Q
Quote from: seafoid on January 20, 2023, 10:31:46 AM
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Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on January 20, 2023, 09:51:18 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 20, 2023, 09:32:58 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 19, 2023, 11:07:07 PM
Don't think he was sarcastic this week.
That was a message to the fans tonight. The next wave.
Thought he was bang on with his message to his players and fans.
He's railing against their comfortable attitude which will be their undoing players especially and home fans expecting the win, just because who they are, but with no fire or passion they'll get caught out like they have in a few games recently.
Prawn sandwich brigade
In fairness to City they have always had 35k hardcore fans, but have obviously now gained lots of hangers on and new fans spending their time taking selfies at matches
I remember when they were in the old Third Division. It's not that long ago.
Chelsea were the same. An old club with success in the past who were bought by a billionaire and turned into a superpower.
Team moved up and down the leagues far more frequently when there was less money involved.
Villa went from 3rd division to league and European Champions inside 10 years, back down to 2nd division within another 5, and then 2nd place in division 1 three years later (1990).
I see Sky Sports are sharing more chat about Bellingham and Carragher obviously wishing he would go to Liverpool, but he would be mad to. If Liverpool bought him they would be skint and still needing two other midfielders.
City will ship out some lads soon and refresh...but Bellingham and De Bruyne with Rodri holding would take fair beating.
If he went to Real Madrid he'd line up with Tchouaméni and Camavinga. That's a set midfield for years. And the feckers will pick up Mbappe at some point too!
This transfer window is fairly quiet overall. I'd say summer will be madness though.
The clubs don't want to sell mid season anyway. Unless it Todd Boehly throwing money around. Liverpool suppose to be close to a Qatari takeover ,they will probably have some loose change.
Klopp will hardly be complaining then.
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Quote from: johnnycool on January 20, 2023, 09:32:58 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 19, 2023, 11:07:07 PM
Don't think he was sarcastic this week.
That was a message to the fans tonight. The next wave.
Thought he was bang on with his message to his players and fans.
He's railing against their comfortable attitude which will be their undoing players especially and home fans expecting the win, just because who they are, but with no fire or passion they'll get caught out like they have in a few games recently.
Prawn sandwich brigade
In fairness to City they have always had 35k hardcore fans, but have obviously now gained lots of hangers on and new fans spending their time taking selfies at matches
I remember when they were in the old Third Division. It's not that long ago.
Chelsea were the same. An old club with success in the past who were bought by a billionaire and turned into a superpower.
Team moved up and down the leagues far more frequently when there was less money involved.
Villa went from 3rd division to league and European Champions inside 10 years, back down to 2nd division within another 5, and then 2nd place in division 1 three years later (1990).
It all goes in circles. Soccer was one of the main beneficiaries of the economic system which is based on printing money. A bit like the landlord system. Everything goes to the top.
Soccer will be more interesting when the billionaires meet the pitchforks and the money disappears. You might see Eastern European clubs or Ajax winning the Champions League again.
Quote from: seafoid on January 20, 2023, 01:38:15 PM
Quote from: shark on January 20, 2023, 12:38:55 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 20, 2023, 10:31:46 AM
Quote from: Saffrongael on January 20, 2023, 10:25:50 AM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on January 20, 2023, 09:51:18 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 20, 2023, 09:32:58 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 19, 2023, 11:07:07 PM
Don't think he was sarcastic this week.
That was a message to the fans tonight. The next wave.
Thought he was bang on with his message to his players and fans.
He's railing against their comfortable attitude which will be their undoing players especially and home fans expecting the win, just because who they are, but with no fire or passion they'll get caught out like they have in a few games recently.
Prawn sandwich brigade
In fairness to City they have always had 35k hardcore fans, but have obviously now gained lots of hangers on and new fans spending their time taking selfies at matches
I remember when they were in the old Third Division. It's not that long ago.
Chelsea were the same. An old club with success in the past who were bought by a billionaire and turned into a superpower.
Team moved up and down the leagues far more frequently when there was less money involved.
Villa went from 3rd division to league and European Champions inside 10 years, back down to 2nd division within another 5, and then 2nd place in division 1 three years later (1990).
It all goes in circles. Soccer was one of the main beneficiaries of the economic system which is based on printing money. A bit like the landlord system. Everything goes to the top.
Soccer will be more interesting when the billionaires meet the pitchforks and the money disappears. You might see Eastern European clubs or Ajax winning the Champions League again.
whens that happening?
20-30 years is the general consensus but may be sooner
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 20, 2023, 01:15:31 PM
The clubs don't want to sell mid season anyway. Unless it Todd Boehly throwing money around. Liverpool suppose to be close to a Qatari takeover ,they will probably have some loose change.
Klopp will hardly be complaining then.
Unless something has come up today, the Qatar rumours were supposedly baseless, while FSG are said to be leaning towards selling another minority stake.
Could change obviously.
One thing for sure, investment from somewhere like Qatar would be controversial.
I was at old Trafford in 1992. There was a protest against Martin Edwards outside the ground.
The fans said he was greedy. Nobody then could have imagined the Glazers.
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Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on January 20, 2023, 09:51:18 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 20, 2023, 09:32:58 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 19, 2023, 11:07:07 PM
Don't think he was sarcastic this week.
That was a message to the fans tonight. The next wave.
Thought he was bang on with his message to his players and fans.
He's railing against their comfortable attitude which will be their undoing players especially and home fans expecting the win, just because who they are, but with no fire or passion they'll get caught out like they have in a few games recently.
Prawn sandwich brigade
In fairness to City they have always had 35k hardcore fans, but have obviously now gained lots of hangers on and new fans spending their time taking selfies at matches
I remember when they were in the old Third Division. It's not that long ago.
Chelsea were the same. An old club with success in the past who were bought by a billionaire and turned into a superpower.
Team moved up and down the leagues far more frequently when there was less money involved.
Villa went from 3rd division to league and European Champions inside 10 years, back down to 2nd division within another 5, and then 2nd place in division 1 three years later (1990).
It all goes in circles. Soccer was one of the main beneficiaries of the economic system which is based on printing money. A bit like the landlord system. Everything goes to the top.
Soccer will be more interesting when the billionaires meet the pitchforks and the money disappears. You might see Eastern European clubs or Ajax winning the Champions League again.
whens that happening?
I've given up on soccer's bubble bursting. Every year you think the transfer fees and wages couldn't possibly get any more outlandish, and then another summer comes along.
One thing's for sure though. The English game has topped out in terms of quality it can create. Italy and Spain's leagues have been toppled, but the gap isn't getting any bigger. Instead European clubs are being propped up by the willingness of EPL teams paying £30-40m for mediocre and unproven players, who those clubs had previously picked up for buttons.
In theory it's a bubble. In reality it just keeps getting worse.
Southampton and Aston Villa taken off the field because a drone was flying overhead is that normal practice?
Quote from: Cunny Funt on January 21, 2023, 03:51:29 PM
Southampton and Aston Villa taken off the field because a drone was flying overhead is that normal practice?
Yes happened in a game last year. If that thing hits you in the face you'd be mangled. Have one myself and you don't want any part of you near the blades when they're going.
Evan Ferguson on the score sheet again. He is just 18 and looks like another one for Stephen Kenny to bring through to the senior team. He is badly needed given the games against France and Holland coming up.
Everton lose again.
Quote from: seafoid on January 21, 2023, 06:01:41 PM
Everton lose again.
As much as Frank isn't entirely at fault for the mess the club is in, he certainly isn't helping with the crap on the field...
Quote from: Capt Pat on January 21, 2023, 05:17:00 PM
Evan Ferguson on the score sheet again. He is just 18 and looks like another one for Stephen Kenny to bring through to the senior team. He is badly needed given the games against France and Holland coming up.
I see Trossard has left Brighton for Arsenal. It should help ensure Ferguson gets enough game time.
Man United overpaid for Antony. No pace as a winger.
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Evan Ferguson on the score sheet again. He is just 18 and looks like another one for Stephen Kenny to bring through to the senior team. He is badly needed given the games against France and Holland coming up.
I see Trossard has left Brighton for Arsenal. It should help ensure Ferguson gets enough game time.
Did you know ronaldo has left United as well?
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 22, 2023, 07:34:32 PM
Man United overpaid for Antony. No pace as a winger.
He's rubbish
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Quote from: seafoid on January 21, 2023, 06:01:41 PM
Everton lose again.
As much as Frank isn't entirely at fault for the mess the club is in, he certainly isn't helping with the crap on the field...
They can't be amongst the 3 worst teams in the division. Misery is relative.
Mitoma will be some signing for someone.
Everton sold some player for 45m. Maybe they could buy Maguire now.
Chelsea in talks with Benfica for Enzo Fernandez,a 120m bid in installments.
Fernandez only joined Benfica last July for 14million
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 30, 2023, 10:43:15 AM
Chelsea in talks with Benfica for Enzo Fernandez,a 120m bid in installments.
Fernandez only joined Benfica last July for 14million
Insanity. Chelsea are Everton on speed.
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Quote from: rodney trotter on January 30, 2023, 10:43:15 AM
Chelsea in talks with Benfica for Enzo Fernandez,a 120m bid in installments.
Fernandez only joined Benfica last July for 14million
Insanity. Chelsea are Everton on speed.
If they had signed him before the world cup how much would he have cost?
If there was no English clubs interested he'd be worth €20m
At some point in the next 20 years the money will be drained out of the EPL . It be very interesting.
Did anyone watch Argentina at the WC and think they had a €120m midfielder ?
Like they all played well but then how much will MacAllister go for?? He did stand out.
But that is mad money.
Matt Doherty to Atletico Madrid on loan. An interesting Irish transfer deal to say the least. More power to him. Hope it works well!
I'd be worried if I was a Chelsea fan. Spending all this money. It's not a viable financial model. In a year or two they could find themselves doing a Leeds if the owner gets fed up. This is were there should be proper safeguards but City have got away with it and looks like Chelsea will as well.
Quote from: trailer on January 31, 2023, 10:32:39 AM
I'd be worried if I was a Chelsea fan. Spending all this money. It's not a viable financial model. In a year or two they could find themselves doing a Leeds if the owner gets fed up. This is were there should be proper safeguards but City have got away with it and looks like Chelsea will as well.
In fairness to Chelsea they started like this under Roman before calming down and running a (reasonably) sensible policy, made a lot of money from youth players sales in the last 10 years. Current owner seems nuts but may well calm down although it does seem strange to completely dismantle a squad that won the champions league a couple of years ago. Plus the transfer fees are off the scale.
Quote from: keep her low this half on January 31, 2023, 10:43:28 AM
Quote from: trailer on January 31, 2023, 10:32:39 AM
I'd be worried if I was a Chelsea fan. Spending all this money. It's not a viable financial model. In a year or two they could find themselves doing a Leeds if the owner gets fed up. This is were there should be proper safeguards but City have got away with it and looks like Chelsea will as well.
In fairness to Chelsea they started like this under Roman before calming down and running a (reasonably) sensible policy, made a lot of money from youth players sales in the last 10 years. Current owner seems nuts but may well calm down although it does seem strange to completely dismantle a squad that won the champions league a couple of years ago. Plus the transfer fees are off the scale.
The spending is crazy but it is these 6,7 and 8 year contracts that I reckon is more worrying. They could end up with a squad of Winston Bogarts. High risk stuff.
The EPL or maybe UEFA have already clamped down on this loophole to the FFP. Those long contracts are simply designed to allow the buying club more time to pay the transfer fee off. More payments rather than having a huge lump sum up front.
I can never understand how these big clubs get caught up in this Transfer deadline day hype.
If you want a player why not sign him the first week of the transfer window, why leave it so late, sometimes it comes down to the last few hours. Why all the panic on the last day when you have a whole month to do business.
Quote from: jcpen on January 31, 2023, 11:54:57 AM
I can never understand how these big clubs get caught up in this Transfer deadline day hype.
If you want a player why not sign him the first week of the transfer window, why leave it so late, sometimes it comes down to the last few hours. Why all the panic on the last day when you have a whole month to do business.
I work in technology sales. Last week of the financial year is the biggest. When all parties involved in a negotiation know that there is a deadline , then there will be incentive for one side to ensure it goes to the last minute in order to draw the maximum concessions.
Quote from: trailer on January 31, 2023, 10:32:39 AM
I'd be worried if I was a Chelsea fan. Spending all this money. It's not a viable financial model. In a year or two they could find themselves doing a Leeds if the owner gets fed up. This is were there should be proper safeguards but City have got away with it and looks like Chelsea will as well.
The problem that the more recently successful teams (often referred to as the big 6 😏) are having is that the premier league pie has got so big that almost every team in the division can pack their squads with top class players. Yet, there are still just 4 champions league spots. When you've built your business model on being in the champions league every year , then you've got a problem.
Quote from: trailer on January 31, 2023, 10:58:35 AM
Quote from: keep her low this half on January 31, 2023, 10:43:28 AM
Quote from: trailer on January 31, 2023, 10:32:39 AM
I'd be worried if I was a Chelsea fan. Spending all this money. It's not a viable financial model. In a year or two they could find themselves doing a Leeds if the owner gets fed up. This is were there should be proper safeguards but City have got away with it and looks like Chelsea will as well.
In fairness to Chelsea they started like this under Roman before calming down and running a (reasonably) sensible policy, made a lot of money from youth players sales in the last 10 years. Current owner seems nuts but may well calm down although it does seem strange to completely dismantle a squad that won the champions league a couple of years ago. Plus the transfer fees are off the scale.
The spending is crazy but it is these 6,7 and 8 year contracts that I reckon is more worrying. They could end up with a squad of Winston Bogarts. High risk stuff.
Somebody's been regurgitating what they've heard on talksport this morning
Don't like the way they are mixing the transfer deals for the women's game in with the men.
Flashed across the screen just there now Liverpool close to finalising deal to sign.........Natasha Dowie from Reading... ::)
Maybe she'd do a job for the mens team though?!
Quote from: laoislad on January 31, 2023, 12:30:03 PM
Don't like the way they are mixing the transfer deals for the women's game in with the men.
Flashed across the screen just there now Liverpool close to finalising deal to sign.........Natasha Dowie from Reading... ::)
Maybe she'd do a job for the mens team though?!
It's only a matter of time till the woke looney left and trans eejits ask for "Women" to be playing in men's sides and "Men" who identify as "women" playing for women's sides. There are no genders or sex anymore and everyone has imagined Male and Female genitals.
Quote from: trailer on January 31, 2023, 12:53:15 PM
Quote from: laoislad on January 31, 2023, 12:30:03 PM
Don't like the way they are mixing the transfer deals for the women's game in with the men.
Flashed across the screen just there now Liverpool close to finalising deal to sign.........Natasha Dowie from Reading... ::)
Maybe she'd do a job for the mens team though?!
It's only a matter of time till the woke looney left and trans eejits ask for "Women" to be playing in men's sides and "Men" who identify as "women" playing for women's sides. There are no genders or sex anymore and everyone has imagined Male and Female genitals.
FFS.
Crazy stuff from Chelsea, giving all these players 7 year contracts to make it work; Eventually this will catch up with them, not all these signings will work out and getting rid might not be so easy and from a financial point of view spreading the deal over 7 years makes it tougher to turn a profit if they need to sell. Clearly going to have to sell well this summer which is obvious.
Quote from: trailer on January 31, 2023, 12:53:15 PM
Quote from: laoislad on January 31, 2023, 12:30:03 PM
Don't like the way they are mixing the transfer deals for the women's game in with the men.
Flashed across the screen just there now Liverpool close to finalising deal to sign.........Natasha Dowie from Reading... ::)
Maybe she'd do a job for the mens team though?!
It's only a matter of time till the woke looney left and trans eejits ask for "Women" to be playing in men's sides and "Men" who identify as "women" playing for women's sides. There are no genders or sex anymore and everyone has imagined Male and Female genitals.
Trans sport only works male to female, same as trans prisons. It's such nonsense
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Quote from: trailer on January 31, 2023, 12:53:15 PM
Quote from: laoislad on January 31, 2023, 12:30:03 PM
Don't like the way they are mixing the transfer deals for the women's game in with the men.
Flashed across the screen just there now Liverpool close to finalising deal to sign.........Natasha Dowie from Reading... ::)
Maybe she'd do a job for the mens team though?!
It's only a matter of time till the woke looney left and trans eejits ask for "Women" to be playing in men's sides and "Men" who identify as "women" playing for women's sides. There are no genders or sex anymore and everyone has imagined Male and Female genitals.
Trans sport only works male to female, same as trans prisons. It's such nonsense
A load of shite that needs continually called out.
Quote from: laoislad on January 31, 2023, 12:30:03 PM
Don't like the way they are mixing the transfer deals for the women's game in with the men.
Flashed across the screen just there now Liverpool close to finalising deal to sign.........Natasha Dowie from Reading... ::)
Maybe she'd do a job for the mens team though?!
Any relation to Southampton and Norn Iron legend Iain?
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Quote from: laoislad on January 31, 2023, 12:30:03 PM
Don't like the way they are mixing the transfer deals for the women's game in with the men.
Flashed across the screen just there now Liverpool close to finalising deal to sign.........Natasha Dowie from Reading... ::)
Maybe she'd do a job for the mens team though?!
Any relation to Southampton and Norn Iron legend Ian?
Luckily for her she's a niece.. ;)
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Transfer window was very quiet apart from Chelsea across all the European leagues.
Mad that in this global economic downturn there's literally one club spending like f*ck.
The lower half premier league clubs did a fair bit of business
Chelsea's transfer business in this window is like fantasy football. Even Potter must be thinking what the hell is going on.
Apparently they start every transfer window now at minus 80 million with FFP so are risking that every signing is a sucess. If not will be in trouble.
Fernandez worth a 100 million less few months ago. His season stats in Portugal would suggest he should be going for the same as he was bought for. Most over-priced transfer since Dembele.
Chelsea are nuts. Unless Newcastle or Man Utd implode the top 4 is probably out of their reach. Looks like they've banked on going all out for "quality", going on a run of runs and securing CL football. But looks more like they way overpaid yet again, added to an already bloated squad of high end, underperforming PL players and the whole mess will have to be refigured out by an already overwhelmed unproven manager. If I were a betting man I see points deductions and administration a few years down the line.
Any idea where you can get the new data for PL club wages. Chelsea must have blitzed everyone by now.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 01, 2023, 12:13:50 AM
Chelsea's transfer business in this window is like fantasy football. Even Potter must be thinking what the hell is going on.
JAnuary window is usually a farce but transfers in general are just so ... meh. Maybe it's getting older or maybe I don't care as much , but 99% of transfers I'm like , who the hell is that?
Ah to go back to the days when Dean Saunders has signed for Villa , or Ruel Fox has left Norwixh , and John Hartson is on the move again. Players you knew , with names you could pronounce. I just can't get any connection with a team full of players from Uruguay Kazakhstan and Djibouti with unpronounceable names
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 01, 2023, 01:57:14 PM
Chelsea are nuts. Unless Newcastle or Man Utd implode the top 4 is probably out of their reach. Looks like they've banked on going all out for "quality", going on a run of runs and securing CL football. But looks more like they way overpaid yet again, added to an already bloated squad of high end, underperforming PL players and the whole mess will have to be refigured out by an already overwhelmed unproven manager. If I were a betting man I see points deductions and administration a few years down the line.
Any idea where you can get the new data for PL club wages. Chelsea must have blitzed everyone by now.
Big trouble coming for Chelsea.
Quote from: trailer on February 01, 2023, 02:37:04 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 01, 2023, 01:57:14 PM
Chelsea are nuts. Unless Newcastle or Man Utd implode the top 4 is probably out of their reach. Looks like they've banked on going all out for "quality", going on a run of runs and securing CL football. But looks more like they way overpaid yet again, added to an already bloated squad of high end, underperforming PL players and the whole mess will have to be refigured out by an already overwhelmed unproven manager. If I were a betting man I see points deductions and administration a few years down the line.
Any idea where you can get the new data for PL club wages. Chelsea must have blitzed everyone by now.
Big trouble coming for Chelsea.
The reason they are signing players on these incredibly long contracts is to get past FFP rules.
It is a loophole that will be closed
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Quote from: trailer on February 01, 2023, 02:37:04 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 01, 2023, 01:57:14 PM
Chelsea are nuts. Unless Newcastle or Man Utd implode the top 4 is probably out of their reach. Looks like they've banked on going all out for "quality", going on a run of runs and securing CL football. But looks more like they way overpaid yet again, added to an already bloated squad of high end, underperforming PL players and the whole mess will have to be refigured out by an already overwhelmed unproven manager. If I were a betting man I see points deductions and administration a few years down the line.
Any idea where you can get the new data for PL club wages. Chelsea must have blitzed everyone by now.
Big trouble coming for Chelsea.
The reason they are signing players on these incredibly long contracts is to get past FFP rules.
It is a loophole that will be closed
It's not so much the FFP it's that they're gonna end up with a shit load of players with 3 or 4 years to run on their contracts in 3 years time. Quite possibly with different manager who maybe doesn't fancy them. What do they do if they can't move them on? They will have a huge squad on massive wages.
Read this yesterday...
'It's worth reminding everyone that you can only include 3 new players in your CL/EL squad for the knockout stages. So four out of Joao Felix, Mudryk, Enzo (if he signs), Madueke, Badiashile, Fofana and Santos will not be involved in Europe for Chelsea'
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 01, 2023, 01:57:14 PM
Chelsea are nuts. Unless Newcastle or Man Utd implode the top 4 is probably out of their reach. Looks like they've banked on going all out for "quality", going on a run of runs and securing CL football. But looks more like they way overpaid yet again, added to an already bloated squad of high end, underperforming PL players and the whole mess will have to be refigured out by an already overwhelmed unproven manager. If I were a betting man I see points deductions and administration a few years down the line.
Any idea where you can get the new data for PL club wages. Chelsea must have blitzed everyone by now.
this is usually good. Not sure if it has been updated
https://www.transfermarkt.com/fc-chelsea/startseite/verein/631/saison_id/2022
Quote from: trailer on February 01, 2023, 02:37:04 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 01, 2023, 01:57:14 PM
Chelsea are nuts. Unless Newcastle or Man Utd implode the top 4 is probably out of their reach. Looks like they've banked on going all out for "quality", going on a run of runs and securing CL football. But looks more like they way overpaid yet again, added to an already bloated squad of high end, underperforming PL players and the whole mess will have to be refigured out by an already overwhelmed unproven manager. If I were a betting man I see points deductions and administration a few years down the line.
Any idea where you can get the new data for PL club wages. Chelsea must have blitzed everyone by now.
Big trouble coming for Chelsea.
If I were Potter I'd be out of there. Absolutely bonkers.
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 01, 2023, 03:32:25 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 01, 2023, 02:37:04 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 01, 2023, 01:57:14 PM
Chelsea are nuts. Unless Newcastle or Man Utd implode the top 4 is probably out of their reach. Looks like they've banked on going all out for "quality", going on a run of runs and securing CL football. But looks more like they way overpaid yet again, added to an already bloated squad of high end, underperforming PL players and the whole mess will have to be refigured out by an already overwhelmed unproven manager. If I were a betting man I see points deductions and administration a few years down the line.
Any idea where you can get the new data for PL club wages. Chelsea must have blitzed everyone by now.
Big trouble coming for Chelsea.
If I were Potter I'd be out of there. Absolutely bonkers.
No chance. Stay until he's chased, he'll get millions.
He'll get a massive payout and then say that he had no control over transfers and what could he do.
All the Brit media heads will jump to his defence (He needed more time, etc) and he will get a decent job elsewhere.
Arsenal got in Trossard and Jorginho who is still useful which was tidy business.
It's going to be a great run-in to the season. Not so sure about City catching Arsenal and I think Newcastle will fall off at some point. United will hold the top 4...then after that it's hard to know.
You just can't trust so many of them week in week out.
I reckon Everton will be safe with Dyche and then he will spend money in the summer before being turfed out...
Chelsea have a bad record with big money signings, and there is a good chance a lot of those signed recently will be average at best. Its like the United signings from Fergie to Solskjaer, big names for an owner playing fantasy football. Each one of them needs the right attitude. I actually am not too worried about Chelsea on the pitch, doesn't seem to be any strategy to the signings and impossible to integrate so many at once, never mind the fact they already had a big squad.
Chelsea bought the PL before and that seems to be the plan again.
World has changed though. Or not so much the world. The PL, and the appearance of multiple oligarchs who can cancel each other out.
They seemed to have accepted this somewhat under Abramovich in recent years. But all out the window.
I hope they fail miserably and the club falls apart.
Quote from: thewobbler on February 01, 2023, 07:02:45 PM
Chelsea bought the PL before and that seems to be the plan again.
World has changed though. Or not so much the world. The PL, and the appearance of multiple oligarchs who can cancel each other out.
They seemed to have accepted this somewhat under Abramovich in recent years. But all out the window.
I hope they fail miserably and the club falls apart.
It most certainly feels very different this time. Before Ranieri built a very nice squad, but they were in the shit financially. Abramovich came in and left them debt free, added to the squad, hired Mourinho and the rest is history. But it was a vanity project for a very rich individual and he personally covered over a billion in losses made by the club over a 20 yr period.
This time it's an investment consortium. Squad build looks scattergun at best and highly irresponsible. I'm sure they're hoping to add value to the club, win things, increase revenue streams and improve the brand but it's all borrowed money and if it goes tits up they'll all run for the hills. Not one of them will be personally out of pocket.
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 01, 2023, 06:46:04 PM
Chelsea have a bad record with big money signings, and there is a good chance a lot of those signed recently will be average at best. Its like the United signings from Fergie to Solskjaer, big names for an owner playing fantasy football. Each one of them needs the right attitude. I actually am not too worried about Chelsea on the pitch, doesn't seem to be any strategy to the signings and impossible to integrate so many at once, never mind the fact they already had a big squad.
They aren't even big names either, mad money for players not too many casuals would know. Potter is a decent enough manager as seen at Brighton but Chelsea is a poisoned chalice with an owner like that sticking the oar in
18 Chelsea signings and 600 million spent since Todd Boehly took charge.
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 01, 2023, 10:33:04 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 01, 2023, 06:46:04 PM
Chelsea have a bad record with big money signings, and there is a good chance a lot of those signed recently will be average at best. Its like the United signings from Fergie to Solskjaer, big names for an owner playing fantasy football. Each one of them needs the right attitude. I actually am not too worried about Chelsea on the pitch, doesn't seem to be any strategy to the signings and impossible to integrate so many at once, never mind the fact they already had a big squad.
They aren't even big names either, mad money for players not too many casuals would know. Potter is a decent enough manager as seen at Brighton but Chelsea is a poisoned chalice with an owner like that sticking the oar in
Agreed. None of their signings would put fear in you if your team was facing them.
The Ukrainian kid did look sharp when he came on against Liverpool (fair enough, not currently the sternest test!).
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 02, 2023, 06:35:37 PM
18 Chelsea signings and 600 million spent since Todd Boehly took charge.
They bought Chelsea for $3.09 bn. If the club wins the Champions League the value could increase by $2bn. Billionaires couldn't care less about £600m
It's all about leverage, jersey sales and how much they can flog the club for. English soccer is rotten.
Quote from: seafoid on February 02, 2023, 09:28:54 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 02, 2023, 06:35:37 PM
18 Chelsea signings and 600 million spent since Todd Boehly took charge.
They bought Chelsea for $3.09 bn. If the club wins the Champions League the value could increase by $2bn. Billionaires couldn't care less about £600m
It's all about leverage, jersey sales and how much they can flog the club for. English soccer is rotten.
Really? Anyway I'll think they'll crash and burn spectacularly
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/2023/02/01/big-money-long-contracts-will-chelseas-plan-to-disrupt-transfer-market-pay-off/
Under Abramovich, Chelsea had a lot duds sitting on expensive deals. These owners want to be ruthless. Signings are on more realistic wages.
That fits with the new strategy of putting young players on long contracts. The idea is that giving Mudryk, who earns about €120,000 a week, an eight-year deal will allow them to amortise his transfer fee. Chelsea want to keep spending. Another way to make the numbers work is through the sale of academy players, which would go down as pure profit, helping the accounts.
Chelsea, who have been placed on an FFP watchlist by Uefa, are trying to be creative. Under Premier League rules, clubs can lose £118 million over a rolling three-year period. Uefa's regulations state that clubs can only lose €59 million over the same period.
The club think they have found a loophole. Uefa has responded: from this summer clubs will still be able to put players on longer deals but they will not be able to stretch the transfer fee beyond a five-year period.
Will that change Chelsea's plans? There is a reason why clubs tend not to hand out seven-year deals. It may help the accounts, but what if the player disappoints?
Potter has the look of a man that hasn't a clue what he's at. If you've spent all that money and still starting Mount and Gallagher then you know you have problems.
A good chance for the Gunners to build up the score difference.
Quote from: Ulster Frank on February 04, 2023, 12:27:21 PM
A good chance for the Gunners to build up the score difference.
Wont be easy against a Sean Dyche team
Everton playing well. Three decent chances in the first half
Quote from: seafoid on February 02, 2023, 09:28:54 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 02, 2023, 06:35:37 PM
18 Chelsea signings and 600 million spent since Todd Boehly took charge.
They bought Chelsea for $3.09 bn. If the club wins the Champions League the value could increase by $2bn. Billionaires couldn't care less about £600m
It's all about leverage, jersey sales and how much they can flog the club for. English soccer is rotten.
A few Billionaires has taken over Premier league clubs however none of them had acted in a matter of months the way Boehly has.
Quote from: Ulster Frank on February 04, 2023, 12:27:21 PM
A good chance for the Gunners to build up the score difference.
Genius.
Think you're confusing LFC 22/23 with the team from 21/22.
Keep goin with the predictions Frank youll get there yet
On Potter he must be a total puppet if these lads are not his signings. There seems to be a lot of the same types and then you still have Gallagher and Mount.
I just don't get the Mount hype. He is a very useful player but right now he seems to drift into the attacking area and taking up others spaces.
I see some saying Kane should go there, but he would be mad to. Potter will go soon and they will continue to stockpile players.
United actually seem to be giving ETH time and he has a vision so Kane would sit well there. A lot of the big clubs look like being in flux for the next while.
Not sure about Kane. Will be 30 when season starts. He's had a great run of games injury free lately but that was not always the case with him. Whoever gets him will have to shell out big. Very risky.
Big game tomorrow between Spurs and City. City will want to capitalise and turn the screw on Arsenal. But if Newcastle win this evening, Spurs need the win to stay in the hunt for CL. It's pretty clear after this weekend there are no other teams in contention.
Big results at the bottom of the table. A lot of teams there on very thin ice. If Everton get organised plenty of time to save season.
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 04, 2023, 05:18:43 PM
Big game tomorrow between Spurs and City. City will want to capitalise and turn the screw on Arsenal. But if Newcastle win this evening, Spurs need the win to stay in the hunt for CL. It's pretty clear after this weekend there are no other teams in contention.
Big results at the bottom of the table. A lot of teams there on very thin ice. If Everton get organised plenty of time to save season.
The Top 4 will stay as it is as regards what teams are in it. The positions might change but the teams in the top 4 now are the same that will be there at the end of the season.
Quote from: jcpen on February 04, 2023, 05:21:21 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 04, 2023, 05:18:43 PM
Big game tomorrow between Spurs and City. City will want to capitalise and turn the screw on Arsenal. But if Newcastle win this evening, Spurs need the win to stay in the hunt for CL. It's pretty clear after this weekend there are no other teams in contention.
Big results at the bottom of the table. A lot of teams there on very thin ice. If Everton get organised plenty of time to save season.
The Top 4 will stay as it is as regards what teams are in it. The positions might change but the teams in the top 4 now are the same that will be there at the end of the season.
That's an interesting assessment.
Spurs who've a recent history of getting into the CL, are all over the place and yet are only 3 points behind Newcastle who are one of the few clubs in the world with a history of underachievement that matches Spurs.
United are flying but their fortunes depend on the availability of Rashford and Casemiro.
Meanwhile Brighton don't care if they're pillaged every week by the bigger clubs.
I'd expect this to go down to the final weeks.
Newcastle 1 up already which would put them 6 points ahead of Spurs should it stay like that.
The Top 4 (teams that are there now)won't be changed by the end of the season.
Everton will have help Liverpool today with that result, they could possibly get 3rd at this rate
2 points dropped by Newcastle. Nice wee set of results today. ;D
Quote from: GJL on February 04, 2023, 07:24:41 PM
2 points dropped by Newcastle. Nice wee set of results today. ;D
Title charge back on ??
Quote from: jcpen on February 04, 2023, 05:21:21 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 04, 2023, 05:18:43 PM
Big game tomorrow between Spurs and City. City will want to capitalise and turn the screw on Arsenal. But if Newcastle win this evening, Spurs need the win to stay in the hunt for CL. It's pretty clear after this weekend there are no other teams in contention.
Big results at the bottom of the table. A lot of teams there on very thin ice. If Everton get organised plenty of time to save season.
The Top 4 will stay as it is as regards what teams are in it. The positions might change but the teams in the top 4 now are the same that will be there at the end of the season.
Nonsense. April is Becher's Brook for the EPL
Quote from: Kidder81 on February 04, 2023, 07:33:20 PM
Quote from: GJL on February 04, 2023, 07:24:41 PM
2 points dropped by Newcastle. Nice wee set of results today. ;D
Title charge back on ??
Not sure it ever was. Top 4 the target.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on February 04, 2023, 04:12:17 PM
On Potter he must be a total puppet if these lads are not his signings. There seems to be a lot of the same types and then you still have Gallagher and Mount.
I just don't get the Mount hype. He is a very useful player but right now he seems to drift into the attacking area and taking up others spaces.
I see some saying Kane should go there, but he would be mad to. Potter will go soon and they will continue to stockpile players.
United actually seem to be giving ETH time and he has a vision so Kane would sit well there. A lot of the big clubs look like being in flux for the next while.
Mount and Gallagher are English. Hence all the hype.
That was a massive win for Forest today.
It's been a massive 2023 in general for Forest. Unbeaten in the league, 11 points from 15. Some daylight between them now and the drop zone. Leeds will be feeling the pressure.
Huge result for Spurs. Next game huge for the gunners, important they win before hosting City in 10 days. Starting to feel that the blue juggernaut everyone was predicting to take off might actually be running on dirty diesel. Was expecting another 90+ points season but think 86 points will be enough to clinch the title.
Utds to lose at this point ;D
Though with city and Arsenal losing that'll help bring Liverpool closer to top 4
Thank you Spursy.
Poor old Harry gets a bunch of flowers for breaking a record. Maybe he'll go somewhere he can win silverware at the end of the season now that monkey is off his back
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on February 06, 2023, 06:18:15 AM
Thank you Spursy.
Poor old Harry gets a bunch of flowers for breaking a record. Maybe he'll go somewhere he can win silverware at the end of the season now that monkey is off his back
Bayern Munich
He'll not go abroad, at least not until he's got 261 PL goals.
He'll not go to Chelsea or Arsenal out of loyalty to Spurs fans. He'll not go to Liverpool when they're imploding. He'll not go to Man City if Haaland is there as he'll never willingly step out of 1/3rd of games. So that leaves United, and for that to be considered, United would have to prove that he'd have
a better chance of winning trophies there than at Spurs. Which oddly enough is more dependent on what City, Chelsea and Newcastle do, than what United do.
Is the Geordies an option for Arry?
Quote from: Taylor on February 06, 2023, 09:27:35 AM
Is the Geordies an option for Arry?
Can't see it. Even if everything locks into place quickly, it'd be 3 years still before anyone could regard and trust them as a guaranteed-trophy club.
Quote from: thewobbler on February 06, 2023, 09:31:49 AM
Quote from: Taylor on February 06, 2023, 09:27:35 AM
Is the Geordies an option for Arry?
Can't see it. Even if everything locks into place quickly, it'd be 3 years still before anyone could regard and trust them as a guaranteed-trophy club.
They would have a better chance than Spurs in the next 3 years
Well... That's city up shit creek, hopefully they can get the charges to stick
Quote from: Taylor on February 06, 2023, 09:39:57 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 06, 2023, 09:31:49 AM
Quote from: Taylor on February 06, 2023, 09:27:35 AM
Is the Geordies an option for Arry?
Can't see it. Even if everything locks into place quickly, it'd be 3 years still before anyone could regard and trust them as a guaranteed-trophy club.
They would have a better chance than Spurs in the next 3 years
I don't know why. Howe has clearly stabilised the club and made them difficult to beat. But is he going to attract the star power to Newcastle that puts them into contention for every trophy?
Don't see it myself. Maybe if this was 25 years ago and there wasn't already a Chelsea and a City trying to do the same. But now now .
And the small chance of it happening isn't going to be enough to tempt Kane to leave his boyhood club where he's worshipped and move his family 300 miles north.
Liverpool and United about to get a bagful of titles between them.
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 06, 2023, 12:12:27 PM
Liverpool and United about to get a bagful of titles between them.
Why Liverpool?
If Newcastle had a Messi type character that became Manager. That would attract players. Chelsea got the Ball rolling with Gullit and Vialli. After that it was a series of Highly rated disposable Managers.
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 06, 2023, 12:18:56 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 06, 2023, 12:12:27 PM
Liverpool and United about to get a bagful of titles between them.
Why Liverpool?
They've finished 2nd so many times behind City that's why?
Think I read its 09-18, so its 1 I think. 2019 and 2022 outside the scope of the allegations.
I'll take it!
Quote from: Mourne Red on February 06, 2023, 12:24:51 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 06, 2023, 12:18:56 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 06, 2023, 12:12:27 PM
Liverpool and United about to get a bagful of titles between them.
Why Liverpool?
They've finished 2nd so many times behind City that's why?
Oh is there talk of titles being stripped off them??
I read that post as meaning winning future ones, apologies!
Has there ever been a team properly sanctioned on FFP rules? Chelsea? Were they banned from signing players? Apart from that I can't think of any team facing any meaningful sanctions. Didn't City even get the UEFA sanctions overturned against them?
Quote from: trailer on February 06, 2023, 12:46:15 PM
Has there ever been a team properly sanctioned on FFP rules? Chelsea? Were they banned from signing players? Apart from that I can't think of any team facing any meaningful sanctions. Didn't City even get the UEFA sanctions overturned against them?
They had their fine reduced to 10m and had the European ban lifted as the offences were years ago.
Can't use that argument this time as there is no time limit to PL offences!
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 06, 2023, 12:39:48 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on February 06, 2023, 12:24:51 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 06, 2023, 12:18:56 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 06, 2023, 12:12:27 PM
Liverpool and United about to get a bagful of titles between them.
Why Liverpool?
They've finished 2nd so many times behind City that's why?
Oh is there talk of titles being stripped off them??
I read that post as meaning winning future ones, apologies!
Even at that you only managed to question Liverpool winning future titles here and not United?😂
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 06, 2023, 12:34:27 PM
Think I read its 09-18, so its 1 I think. 2019 and 2022 outside the scope of the allegations.
I'll take it!
They didn't cooperate with the investigation for years 2018 -2022 so there's scope they could be looked at also
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on February 06, 2023, 01:16:25 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 06, 2023, 12:39:48 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on February 06, 2023, 12:24:51 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 06, 2023, 12:18:56 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 06, 2023, 12:12:27 PM
Liverpool and United about to get a bagful of titles between them.
Why Liverpool?
They've finished 2nd so many times behind City that's why?
Oh is there talk of titles being stripped off them??
I read that post as meaning winning future ones, apologies!
Even at that you only managed to question Liverpool winning future titles here and not United?😂
Liverpool are done, United are on the rise ;)
Manchester City are cheating bastards who would have guessed?? Likelihood of them getting stripped of their titles is slim as they'll buy that out..
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 06, 2023, 02:07:44 PM
Manchester City are cheating bastards who would have guessed?? Likelihood of them getting stripped of their titles is slim as they'll buy that out..
And yet it didn't seem to bother almost every Man United fan that City were/are cheating bastards as most of them wanted them to beat Liverpool in the Premier League title races the last few seasons.
It will be a fine and nothing more.
City are not alone here either
Simon Jordan and co discussing it on Talksport https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz_AS2IPlPw
Just look a Juve and the mess unfolding there about the pricing of players and this being agreed between clubs to boost the value of clubs etc
It's a house of cards the whole lot.
Quote from: NAG1 on February 06, 2023, 02:38:15 PM
Just look a Juve and the mess unfolding there about the pricing of players and this being agreed between clubs to boost the value of clubs etc
It's a house of cards the whole lot.
City have done a few deals with Juventus too.. One stands out is that Danilo for Cancelo deal, always seemed fishy from the off. Barca are in line for being looked at next as it's well known the Arthur/Panjic deal was crooked too
Quote from: laoislad on February 06, 2023, 02:15:14 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 06, 2023, 02:07:44 PM
Manchester City are cheating bastards who would have guessed?? Likelihood of them getting stripped of their titles is slim as they'll buy that out..
And yet it didn't seem to bother almost every Man United fan that City were/are cheating bastards as most of them wanted them to beat Liverpool in the Premier League title races the last few seasons.
Liverpool and Manchester United is an actual rivalry with history and tradition, supporters want the most success for who they follow and none for the rival. Manchester City are soulless club that few care about, media then trying to build up fake rivals. True form would be struggling to be a Premier league club and i doubt if Pep Guardiola even knew much about Manchester City when he was managing Barcelona.
Interesting that Man Utd's run ended around the same time that Tottenham found their mojo again. Top 4 will probably go to the last day.
Newcastle will also get a dose of the yips at some stage
Quote from: laoislad on February 06, 2023, 02:15:14 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 06, 2023, 02:07:44 PM
Manchester City are cheating bastards who would have guessed?? Likelihood of them getting stripped of their titles is slim as they'll buy that out..
And yet it didn't seem to bother almost every Man United fan that City were/are cheating bastards as most of them wanted them to beat Liverpool in the Premier League title races the last few seasons.
As would liverpool fans had it been other way around. Its called rivalry.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 06, 2023, 03:00:43 PM
Quote from: laoislad on February 06, 2023, 02:15:14 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 06, 2023, 02:07:44 PM
Manchester City are cheating bastards who would have guessed?? Likelihood of them getting stripped of their titles is slim as they'll buy that out..
And yet it didn't seem to bother almost every Man United fan that City were/are cheating bastards as most of them wanted them to beat Liverpool in the Premier League title races the last few seasons.
Liverpool and Manchester United is an actual rivalry with history and tradition, supporters want the most success for who they follow and none for the rival. Manchester City are soulless club that few care about, media then trying to build up fake rivals. True form would be struggling to be a Premier league club and i doubt if Pep Guardiola even knew much about Manchester City when he was managing Barcelona.
Apart from when he'd a trial with City as a player
Liverpool have only been a force since Bill Shankly took over in the late 50s.
The idea that only Man Utd vs Liverpool is a genuine rivalry is wrong.
Quote from: seafoid on February 07, 2023, 03:42:58 AM
Liverpool have only been a force since Bill Shankly took over in the late 50s.
The idea that only Man Utd vs Liverpool is a genuine rivalry is wrong.
Not quite, 5 league titles (and 3 2nd divisions) before the 50s . Nice try though
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on February 07, 2023, 09:24:36 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 07, 2023, 03:42:58 AM
Liverpool have only been a force since Bill Shankly took over in the late 50s.
The idea that only Man Utd vs Liverpool is a genuine rivalry is wrong.
Not quite, 5 league titles (and 3 2nd divisions) before the 50s . Nice try though
In 1950 there weren't 2 teams far ahead on the title list.
Liverpool and Everton had 5
Arsenal, Villa and Sunderland had 6.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_football_champions#Total_titles_won
Liverpool were part of the pack. Until Shankly changed everything
This is a super analysis of how to punish Man City for rule breaches
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXosohRY0Zs&t=4880s
Quote from: seafoid on February 07, 2023, 09:50:46 AM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on February 07, 2023, 09:24:36 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 07, 2023, 03:42:58 AM
Liverpool have only been a force since Bill Shankly took over in the late 50s.
The idea that only Man Utd vs Liverpool is a genuine rivalry is wrong.
Not quite, 5 league titles (and 3 2nd divisions) before the 50s . Nice try though
In 1950 there weren't 2 teams far ahead on the title list.
Liverpool and Everton had 5
Arsenal, Villa and Sunderland had 6.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_football_champions#Total_titles_won
Liverpool were part of the pack. Until Shankly changed everything
They were a force before 1950 as number of titles shows, and post 1950 too, as number of titles shows.
Not sure what your underlying point is here but whatever it is, it's not holding up.
Arsenal a bigger club then City and a larger global fanbase made £141m in commercial revenue in the last set of accounts whilst City made £309m in the same department, Chelsea's was at £153m. Doesn't look or sound right does it!!
Their still at it and only for this they wouldn't be challenging for trophies, we could debate all day whether the rules should be in place but they are and clubs are supposed to abide with it. Not sure at what stage their owners get sick of it, must be down 2 billion since the takeover in 2008.
I'm sure some will say the club is worth billions but its clearly not without their inflated commercial revenue and the obvious knock on affects from reduced revenue.
Guardiola odds on to leave Man City in the summer
Quote from: Mourne Red on February 07, 2023, 01:14:28 PM
Guardiola odds on to leave Man City in the summer
Few of their stars would follow him out the door you'd imagine.
I've enjoyed City's emergence. I think FFP rules are good in the sense of stopping clubs going nuts and going bust writing off mountains of debt, but if some rich individual wants to buy a club and waste millions/billions of their personal fortune, knock yourself out.
We all know PL is big business and the financial side of things and mismanagement of clubs will always be talking points. And by clubs we're literally talking international corporations here. But end of the day, reason why we watch is because it's a game, sport, and the teams that do well are the ones that attract top players and get a manager in to get the best out of them. From that perspective City have been the best the last decade and I find it amusing they have put so many noses out of joint. Trying to imply that their successes are missing some sort of integrity. That's a laugh, integrity or loyalty do not exist in the game. English football sold out a very long time ago.
Champions League
https://salarysport.com/football/premier-league/liverpool-f.c./
Non champions League
https://salarysport.com/football/premier-league/newcastle-united-f.c./
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I've enjoyed City's emergence. I think FFP rules are good in the sense of stopping clubs going nuts and going bust writing off mountains of debt, but if some rich individual wants to buy a club and waste millions/billions of their personal fortune, knock yourself out.
We all know PL is big business and the financial side of things and mismanagement of clubs will always be talking points. And by clubs we're literally talking international corporations here. But end of the day, reason why we watch is because it's a game, sport, and the teams that do well are the ones that attract top players and get a manager in to get the best out of them. From that perspective City have been the best the last decade and I find it amusing they have put so many noses out of joint. Trying to imply that their successes are missing some sort of integrity. That's a laugh, integrity or loyalty do not exist in the game. English football sold out a very long time ago.
But they are just Sunderland with oil money. Yeah sure they have been the best but lets call a spade a spade, no one is signing for city in 2003. The idea that their revenues can equal Utd's or Madrid's is for the birds. The rules are there to protect clubs from themselves. If they have broken them, then they have to face the consequences.
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on February 07, 2023, 11:15:18 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 07, 2023, 09:50:46 AM
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Quote from: seafoid on February 07, 2023, 03:42:58 AM
Liverpool have only been a force since Bill Shankly took over in the late 50s.
The idea that only Man Utd vs Liverpool is a genuine rivalry is wrong.
Not quite, 5 league titles (and 3 2nd divisions) before the 50s . Nice try though
In 1950 there weren't 2 teams far ahead on the title list.
Liverpool and Everton had 5
Arsenal, Villa and Sunderland had 6.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_football_champions#Total_titles_won
Liverpool were part of the pack. Until Shankly changed everything
They were a force before 1950 as number of titles shows, and post 1950 too, as number of titles shows.
Not sure what your underlying point is here but whatever it is, it's not holding up.
As were City a force pre 50's and post as their numerous titles show in league and cup (pre 2010s), including at European level, plus several runners up seasons. Pre 50's too Utd won about 2 leagues? Fergie and Busby era's are the anomalies if you want to be technical about it accounting for all but 2 of their leagues?
I'd imagine that's his point which was in reply to someone saying City was a soul less club lacking tradition or history and Utd-Liverpool could only be classed as a proper rivalry.
Quote from: trailer on February 07, 2023, 02:37:48 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 07, 2023, 02:06:21 PM
I've enjoyed City's emergence. I think FFP rules are good in the sense of stopping clubs going nuts and going bust writing off mountains of debt, but if some rich individual wants to buy a club and waste millions/billions of their personal fortune, knock yourself out.
We all know PL is big business and the financial side of things and mismanagement of clubs will always be talking points. And by clubs we're literally talking international corporations here. But end of the day, reason why we watch is because it's a game, sport, and the teams that do well are the ones that attract top players and get a manager in to get the best out of them. From that perspective City have been the best the last decade and I find it amusing they have put so many noses out of joint. Trying to imply that their successes are missing some sort of integrity. That's a laugh, integrity or loyalty do not exist in the game. English football sold out a very long time ago.
But they are just Sunderland with oil money. Yeah sure they have been the best but lets call a spade a spade, no one is signing for city in 2003. The idea that their revenues can equal Utd's or Madrid's is for the birds. The rules are there to protect clubs from themselves. If they have broken them, then they have to face the consequences.
All of the top clubs are playthings of billionaires . It's exactly the same as horse racing. The rich earn most of the rewards.
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Quote from: Look-Up! on February 07, 2023, 02:06:21 PM
I've enjoyed City's emergence. I think FFP rules are good in the sense of stopping clubs going nuts and going bust writing off mountains of debt, but if some rich individual wants to buy a club and waste millions/billions of their personal fortune, knock yourself out.
We all know PL is big business and the financial side of things and mismanagement of clubs will always be talking points. And by clubs we're literally talking international corporations here. But end of the day, reason why we watch is because it's a game, sport, and the teams that do well are the ones that attract top players and get a manager in to get the best out of them. From that perspective City have been the best the last decade and I find it amusing they have put so many noses out of joint. Trying to imply that their successes are missing some sort of integrity. That's a laugh, integrity or loyalty do not exist in the game. English football sold out a very long time ago.
But they are just Sunderland with oil money. Yeah sure they have been the best but lets call a spade a spade, no one is signing for city in 2003. The idea that their revenues can equal Utd's or Madrid's is for the birds. The rules are there to protect clubs from themselves. If they have broken them, then they have to face the consequences.
Oh God that's arrogant. Sunderland with 6 league titles? What were Utd before they changed the cooperate side of things and blew everyone away with their money. Finances were only a problem when oil money came into the game. So what, clubs are not in need of protection if a rich benefactor is willing to personally write it all off. Top 4 never had a problem when they thought top 4 was set in stone and the ladder pulled up.
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 07, 2023, 03:00:21 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 07, 2023, 02:37:48 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 07, 2023, 02:06:21 PM
I've enjoyed City's emergence. I think FFP rules are good in the sense of stopping clubs going nuts and going bust writing off mountains of debt, but if some rich individual wants to buy a club and waste millions/billions of their personal fortune, knock yourself out.
We all know PL is big business and the financial side of things and mismanagement of clubs will always be talking points. And by clubs we're literally talking international corporations here. But end of the day, reason why we watch is because it's a game, sport, and the teams that do well are the ones that attract top players and get a manager in to get the best out of them. From that perspective City have been the best the last decade and I find it amusing they have put so many noses out of joint. Trying to imply that their successes are missing some sort of integrity. That's a laugh, integrity or loyalty do not exist in the game. English football sold out a very long time ago.
But they are just Sunderland with oil money. Yeah sure they have been the best but lets call a spade a spade, no one is signing for city in 2003. The idea that their revenues can equal Utd's or Madrid's is for the birds. The rules are there to protect clubs from themselves. If they have broken them, then they have to face the consequences.
Oh God that's arrogant. Sunderland with 6 league titles? What were Utd before they changed the cooperate side of things and blew everyone away with their money. Finances were only a problem when oil money came into the game. So what, clubs are not in need of protection if a rich benefactor is willing to personally write it all off. Top 4 never had a problem when they thought top 4 was set in stone and the ladder pulled up.
Yeah, their money earned from being yhe best team in the land, not from some Russian or Arab crook buying yhe club as a toy.
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 07, 2023, 03:11:25 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 07, 2023, 03:00:21 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 07, 2023, 02:37:48 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 07, 2023, 02:06:21 PM
I've enjoyed City's emergence. I think FFP rules are good in the sense of stopping clubs going nuts and going bust writing off mountains of debt, but if some rich individual wants to buy a club and waste millions/billions of their personal fortune, knock yourself out.
We all know PL is big business and the financial side of things and mismanagement of clubs will always be talking points. And by clubs we're literally talking international corporations here. But end of the day, reason why we watch is because it's a game, sport, and the teams that do well are the ones that attract top players and get a manager in to get the best out of them. From that perspective City have been the best the last decade and I find it amusing they have put so many noses out of joint. Trying to imply that their successes are missing some sort of integrity. That's a laugh, integrity or loyalty do not exist in the game. English football sold out a very long time ago.
But they are just Sunderland with oil money. Yeah sure they have been the best but lets call a spade a spade, no one is signing for city in 2003. The idea that their revenues can equal Utd's or Madrid's is for the birds. The rules are there to protect clubs from themselves. If they have broken them, then they have to face the consequences.
Oh God that's arrogant. Sunderland with 6 league titles? What were Utd before they changed the cooperate side of things and blew everyone away with their money. Finances were only a problem when oil money came into the game. So what, clubs are not in need of protection if a rich benefactor is willing to personally write it all off. Top 4 never had a problem when they thought top 4 was set in stone and the ladder pulled up.
Yeah, their money earned from being yhe best team in the land, not from some Russian or Arab crook buying yhe club as a toy.
They were the benefactors of circumstance, being the best team in the land at the advent of the PL era and the large increase in revenues from TV money and commercial opportunities in Asia. Fair play to them and they made hay and essentially made these avenues a closed shop.
City and Chelsea got creative and found "other ways", meeted and greeted and wooed and secured revenues elsewhere. So who's to say it's not "their money". Who's to say it's less noble than selling shirts in China. Up until last year Chelsea have had great successes, great investments in the infrastructure and facilities all debt free. City likewise, new stadium, top of the range facilities, I'm sure there's plenty of debt on the books but that's an inhouse thing and doubt they're paying any real interest on it.
Utd are up to their eyeballs despite their revenues plus the place is crumbling down around them if you listen to the experts. So who's the fools.
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Quote from: trailer on February 07, 2023, 02:37:48 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 07, 2023, 02:06:21 PM
I've enjoyed City's emergence. I think FFP rules are good in the sense of stopping clubs going nuts and going bust writing off mountains of debt, but if some rich individual wants to buy a club and waste millions/billions of their personal fortune, knock yourself out.
We all know PL is big business and the financial side of things and mismanagement of clubs will always be talking points. And by clubs we're literally talking international corporations here. But end of the day, reason why we watch is because it's a game, sport, and the teams that do well are the ones that attract top players and get a manager in to get the best out of them. From that perspective City have been the best the last decade and I find it amusing they have put so many noses out of joint. Trying to imply that their successes are missing some sort of integrity. That's a laugh, integrity or loyalty do not exist in the game. English football sold out a very long time ago.
But they are just Sunderland with oil money. Yeah sure they have been the best but lets call a spade a spade, no one is signing for city in 2003. The idea that their revenues can equal Utd's or Madrid's is for the birds. The rules are there to protect clubs from themselves. If they have broken them, then they have to face the consequences.
Oh God that's arrogant. Sunderland with 6 league titles? What were Utd before they changed the cooperate side of things and blew everyone away with their money. Finances were only a problem when oil money came into the game. So what, clubs are not in need of protection if a rich benefactor is willing to personally write it all off. Top 4 never had a problem when they thought top 4 was set in stone and the ladder pulled up.
Yeah, their money earned from being yhe best team in the land, not from some Russian or Arab crook buying yhe club as a toy.
They were the benefactors of circumstance, being the best team in the land at the advent of the PL era and the large increase in revenues from TV money and commercial opportunities in Asia. Fair play to them and they made hay and essentially made these avenues a closed shop.
City and Chelsea got creative and found "other ways", meeted and greeted and wooed and secured revenues elsewhere. So who's to say it's not "their money". Who's to say it's less noble than selling shirts in China. Up until last year Chelsea have had great successes, great investments in the infrastructure and facilities all debt free. City likewise, new stadium, top of the range facilities, I'm sure there's plenty of debt on the books but that's an inhouse thing and doubt they're paying any real interest on it.
Utd are up to their eyeballs despite their revenues plus the place is crumbling down around them if you listen to the experts. So who's the fools.
Haaland's wages are being paid off the back of some poor Indian slave.
Quote from: trailer on February 07, 2023, 04:06:19 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 07, 2023, 03:32:09 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 07, 2023, 03:11:25 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 07, 2023, 03:00:21 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 07, 2023, 02:37:48 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 07, 2023, 02:06:21 PM
I've enjoyed City's emergence. I think FFP rules are good in the sense of stopping clubs going nuts and going bust writing off mountains of debt, but if some rich individual wants to buy a club and waste millions/billions of their personal fortune, knock yourself out.
We all know PL is big business and the financial side of things and mismanagement of clubs will always be talking points. And by clubs we're literally talking international corporations here. But end of the day, reason why we watch is because it's a game, sport, and the teams that do well are the ones that attract top players and get a manager in to get the best out of them. From that perspective City have been the best the last decade and I find it amusing they have put so many noses out of joint. Trying to imply that their successes are missing some sort of integrity. That's a laugh, integrity or loyalty do not exist in the game. English football sold out a very long time ago.
But they are just Sunderland with oil money. Yeah sure they have been the best but lets call a spade a spade, no one is signing for city in 2003. The idea that their revenues can equal Utd's or Madrid's is for the birds. The rules are there to protect clubs from themselves. If they have broken them, then they have to face the consequences.
Oh God that's arrogant. Sunderland with 6 league titles? What were Utd before they changed the cooperate side of things and blew everyone away with their money. Finances were only a problem when oil money came into the game. So what, clubs are not in need of protection if a rich benefactor is willing to personally write it all off. Top 4 never had a problem when they thought top 4 was set in stone and the ladder pulled up.
Yeah, their money earned from being yhe best team in the land, not from some Russian or Arab crook buying yhe club as a toy.
They were the benefactors of circumstance, being the best team in the land at the advent of the PL era and the large increase in revenues from TV money and commercial opportunities in Asia. Fair play to them and they made hay and essentially made these avenues a closed shop.
City and Chelsea got creative and found "other ways", meeted and greeted and wooed and secured revenues elsewhere. So who's to say it's not "their money". Who's to say it's less noble than selling shirts in China. Up until last year Chelsea have had great successes, great investments in the infrastructure and facilities all debt free. City likewise, new stadium, top of the range facilities, I'm sure there's plenty of debt on the books but that's an inhouse thing and doubt they're paying any real interest on it.
Utd are up to their eyeballs despite their revenues plus the place is crumbling down around them if you listen to the experts. So who's the fools.
Haaland's wages are being paid off the back of some poor Indian slave.
Get your point but it'd probably be more accurate to say his wages are being paid by poor fools like me and you getting ripped off every time we go to fill up our cars.
The poor Indian slaves are more likely to be exploited by the likes of Addidas and Nike, who account for a huge portion of the wages of
ALL the players in the PL.
Which kind of brings me back to my original points. It's a bit late in the day to be only becoming outraged because of the emergence of City.
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 07, 2023, 03:11:25 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 07, 2023, 03:00:21 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 07, 2023, 02:37:48 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 07, 2023, 02:06:21 PM
I've enjoyed City's emergence. I think FFP rules are good in the sense of stopping clubs going nuts and going bust writing off mountains of debt, but if some rich individual wants to buy a club and waste millions/billions of their personal fortune, knock yourself out.
We all know PL is big business and the financial side of things and mismanagement of clubs will always be talking points. And by clubs we're literally talking international corporations here. But end of the day, reason why we watch is because it's a game, sport, and the teams that do well are the ones that attract top players and get a manager in to get the best out of them. From that perspective City have been the best the last decade and I find it amusing they have put so many noses out of joint. Trying to imply that their successes are missing some sort of integrity. That's a laugh, integrity or loyalty do not exist in the game. English football sold out a very long time ago.
But they are just Sunderland with oil money. Yeah sure they have been the best but lets call a spade a spade, no one is signing for city in 2003. The idea that their revenues can equal Utd's or Madrid's is for the birds. The rules are there to protect clubs from themselves. If they have broken them, then they have to face the consequences.
Oh God that's arrogant. Sunderland with 6 league titles? What were Utd before they changed the cooperate side of things and blew everyone away with their money. Finances were only a problem when oil money came into the game. So what, clubs are not in need of protection if a rich benefactor is willing to personally write it all off. Top 4 never had a problem when they thought top 4 was set in stone and the ladder pulled up.
Yeah, their money earned from being yhe best team in the land, not from some Russian or Arab crook buying yhe club as a toy.
The nobility of the debt the Glazers used to buy Man Utd. The Glazers were a mining family from Sunderland and only paid themselves £100 a week, compared to what is going on at Man City.
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Liverpool have only been a force since Bill Shankly took over in the late 50s.
The idea that only Man Utd vs Liverpool is a genuine rivalry is wrong.
Not quite, 5 league titles (and 3 2nd divisions) before the 50s . Nice try though
In 1950 there weren't 2 teams far ahead on the title list.
Liverpool and Everton had 5
Arsenal, Villa and Sunderland had 6.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_football_champions#Total_titles_won
Liverpool were part of the pack. Until Shankly changed everything
They were a force before 1950 as number of titles shows, and post 1950 too, as number of titles shows.
Not sure what your underlying point is here but whatever it is, it's not holding up.
As were City a force pre 50's and post as their numerous titles show in league and cup (pre 2010s), including at European level, plus several runners up seasons. Pre 50's too Utd won about 2 leagues? Fergie and Busby era's are the anomalies if you want to be technical about it accounting for all but 2 of their leagues?
I'd imagine that's his point which was in reply to someone saying City was a soul less club lacking tradition or history and Utd-Liverpool could only be classed as a proper rivalry.
Citeh were never a force before oil money.
Yea I'm sure he doesn't need you answering for him, if he wanted to respond he would.
But city are a soulless club lacking a proper history and Liverpool-United is a proper rivalry.
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Quote from: seafoid on February 07, 2023, 09:50:46 AM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on February 07, 2023, 09:24:36 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 07, 2023, 03:42:58 AM
Liverpool have only been a force since Bill Shankly took over in the late 50s.
The idea that only Man Utd vs Liverpool is a genuine rivalry is wrong.
Not quite, 5 league titles (and 3 2nd divisions) before the 50s . Nice try though
In 1950 there weren't 2 teams far ahead on the title list.
Liverpool and Everton had 5
Arsenal, Villa and Sunderland had 6.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_football_champions#Total_titles_won
Liverpool were part of the pack. Until Shankly changed everything
They were a force before 1950 as number of titles shows, and post 1950 too, as number of titles shows.
Not sure what your underlying point is here but whatever it is, it's not holding up.
As were City a force pre 50's and post as their numerous titles show in league and cup (pre 2010s), including at European level, plus several runners up seasons. Pre 50's too Utd won about 2 leagues? Fergie and Busby era's are the anomalies if you want to be technical about it accounting for all but 2 of their leagues?
I'd imagine that's his point which was in reply to someone saying City was a soul less club lacking tradition or history and Utd-Liverpool could only be classed as a proper rivalry.
Citeh were never a force before oil money.
Yea I'm sure he doesn't need you answering for him, if he wanted to respond he would.
But city are a soulless club lacking a proper history and Liverpool-United is a proper rivalry.
The history books say otherwise and I'll reply to whatever posts I like thanks.
So Manchester derby stopped being a derby when the tankings were reversed and titles started going to blue side again :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :). Suppose football only started in 92 ::)
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Quote from: Look-Up! on February 07, 2023, 02:51:35 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on February 07, 2023, 11:15:18 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 07, 2023, 09:50:46 AM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on February 07, 2023, 09:24:36 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 07, 2023, 03:42:58 AM
Liverpool have only been a force since Bill Shankly took over in the late 50s.
The idea that only Man Utd vs Liverpool is a genuine rivalry is wrong.
Not quite, 5 league titles (and 3 2nd divisions) before the 50s . Nice try though
In 1950 there weren't 2 teams far ahead on the title list.
Liverpool and Everton had 5
Arsenal, Villa and Sunderland had 6.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_football_champions#Total_titles_won
Liverpool were part of the pack. Until Shankly changed everything
They were a force before 1950 as number of titles shows, and post 1950 too, as number of titles shows.
Not sure what your underlying point is here but whatever it is, it's not holding up.
As were City a force pre 50's and post as their numerous titles show in league and cup (pre 2010s), including at European level, plus several runners up seasons. Pre 50's too Utd won about 2 leagues? Fergie and Busby era's are the anomalies if you want to be technical about it accounting for all but 2 of their leagues?
I'd imagine that's his point which was in reply to someone saying City was a soul less club lacking tradition or history and Utd-Liverpool could only be classed as a proper rivalry.
Citeh were never a force before oil money.
Yea I'm sure he doesn't need you answering for him, if he wanted to respond he would.
But city are a soulless club lacking a proper history and Liverpool-United is a proper rivalry.
The history books say otherwise and I'll reply to whatever posts I like thanks.
So Manchester derby stopped being a derby when the tankings were reversed and titles started going to blue side again :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :). Suppose football only started in 92 ::)
Well they don't, they won about 5 trophies before oil money ;D
I never said you couldn't, but you don't speak for anyone else so you can "imagine" whatever you think his point is all you like. I'll resume that conversation with him if he cares enough to respond.
As for football starting in 92, no it didn't, we were the most successful club in the country before then too, nice try though ;D
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Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on February 07, 2023, 09:24:36 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 07, 2023, 03:42:58 AM
Liverpool have only been a force since Bill Shankly took over in the late 50s.
The idea that only Man Utd vs Liverpool is a genuine rivalry is wrong.
Not quite, 5 league titles (and 3 2nd divisions) before the 50s . Nice try though
In 1950 there weren't 2 teams far ahead on the title list.
Liverpool and Everton had 5
Arsenal, Villa and Sunderland had 6.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_football_champions#Total_titles_won
Liverpool were part of the pack. Until Shankly changed everything
They were a force before 1950 as number of titles shows, and post 1950 too, as number of titles shows.
Not sure what your underlying point is here but whatever it is, it's not holding up.
As were City a force pre 50's and post as their numerous titles show in league and cup (pre 2010s), including at European level, plus several runners up seasons. Pre 50's too Utd won about 2 leagues? Fergie and Busby era's are the anomalies if you want to be technical about it accounting for all but 2 of their leagues?
I'd imagine that's his point which was in reply to someone saying City was a soul less club lacking tradition or history and Utd-Liverpool could only be classed as a proper rivalry.
Citeh were never a force before oil money.
Yea I'm sure he doesn't need you answering for him, if he wanted to respond he would.
But city are a soulless club lacking a proper history and Liverpool-United is a proper rivalry.
The history books say otherwise and I'll reply to whatever posts I like thanks.
So Manchester derby stopped being a derby when the tankings were reversed and titles started going to blue side again :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :). Suppose football only started in 92 ::)
Well they don't, they won about 5 trophies before oil money ;D
I never said you couldn't, but you don't speak for anyone else so you can "imagine" whatever you think his point is all you like. I'll resume that conversation with him if he cares enough to respond.
As for football starting in 92, no it didn't, we were the most successful club in the country before then too, nice try though ;D
He made a point that was pretty obvious . I concur, no imagining about it.
Liverpool won 1 league title in 30 years. You could deduce from that they were only a force for one year in that period but you'd be wrong. Same way you're wrong suggesting City were never a force, pre or post 1950. To suggest otherwise is completely ignorant of facts.
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Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on February 07, 2023, 11:15:18 AM
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Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on February 07, 2023, 09:24:36 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 07, 2023, 03:42:58 AM
Liverpool have only been a force since Bill Shankly took over in the late 50s.
The idea that only Man Utd vs Liverpool is a genuine rivalry is wrong.
Not quite, 5 league titles (and 3 2nd divisions) before the 50s . Nice try though
In 1950 there weren't 2 teams far ahead on the title list.
Liverpool and Everton had 5
Arsenal, Villa and Sunderland had 6.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_football_champions#Total_titles_won
Liverpool were part of the pack. Until Shankly changed everything
They were a force before 1950 as number of titles shows, and post 1950 too, as number of titles shows.
Not sure what your underlying point is here but whatever it is, it's not holding up.
As were City a force pre 50's and post as their numerous titles show in league and cup (pre 2010s), including at European level, plus several runners up seasons. Pre 50's too Utd won about 2 leagues? Fergie and Busby era's are the anomalies if you want to be technical about it accounting for all but 2 of their leagues?
I'd imagine that's his point which was in reply to someone saying City was a soul less club lacking tradition or history and Utd-Liverpool could only be classed as a proper rivalry.
Citeh were never a force before oil money.
Yea I'm sure he doesn't need you answering for him, if he wanted to respond he would.
But city are a soulless club lacking a proper history and Liverpool-United is a proper rivalry.
The history books say otherwise and I'll reply to whatever posts I like thanks.
So Manchester derby stopped being a derby when the tankings were reversed and titles started going to blue side again :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :). Suppose football only started in 92 ::)
Well they don't, they won about 5 trophies before oil money ;D
I never said you couldn't, but you don't speak for anyone else so you can "imagine" whatever you think his point is all you like. I'll resume that conversation with him if he cares enough to respond.
As for football starting in 92, no it didn't, we were the most successful club in the country before then too, nice try though ;D
He made a point that was pretty obvious . I concur, no imagining about it.
Liverpool won 1 league title in 30 years. You could deduce from that they were only a force for one year in that period but you'd be wrong. Same way you're wrong suggesting City were never a force, pre or post 1950. To suggest otherwise is completely ignorant of facts.
Well it wasn't, that's why it was questioned as the facts proved otherwise.
Yes correct, you would be wrong if you deduced that, because they won several other major honours in that time frame whilst still carrying the stature of being a big club.
Citeh on the other hand haven't been a force since oil money, because they won next to nothing in their entire history before it, simple really.
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Liverpool have only been a force since Bill Shankly took over in the late 50s.
The idea that only Man Utd vs Liverpool is a genuine rivalry is wrong.
Not quite, 5 league titles (and 3 2nd divisions) before the 50s . Nice try though
In 1950 there weren't 2 teams far ahead on the title list.
Liverpool and Everton had 5
Arsenal, Villa and Sunderland had 6.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_football_champions#Total_titles_won
Liverpool were part of the pack. Until Shankly changed everything
They were a force before 1950 as number of titles shows, and post 1950 too, as number of titles shows.
Not sure what your underlying point is here but whatever it is, it's not holding up.
As were City a force pre 50's and post as their numerous titles show in league and cup (pre 2010s), including at European level, plus several runners up seasons. Pre 50's too Utd won about 2 leagues? Fergie and Busby era's are the anomalies if you want to be technical about it accounting for all but 2 of their leagues?
I'd imagine that's his point which was in reply to someone saying City was a soul less club lacking tradition or history and Utd-Liverpool could only be classed as a proper rivalry.
Citeh were never a force before oil money.
Yea I'm sure he doesn't need you answering for him, if he wanted to respond he would.
But city are a soulless club lacking a proper history and Liverpool-United is a proper rivalry.
The history books say otherwise and I'll reply to whatever posts I like thanks.
So Manchester derby stopped being a derby when the tankings were reversed and titles started going to blue side again :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :). Suppose football only started in 92 ::)
Well they don't, they won about 5 trophies before oil money ;D
I never said you couldn't, but you don't speak for anyone else so you can "imagine" whatever you think his point is all you like. I'll resume that conversation with him if he cares enough to respond.
As for football starting in 92, no it didn't, we were the most successful club in the country before then too, nice try though ;D
He made a point that was pretty obvious . I concur, no imagining about it.
Liverpool won 1 league title in 30 years. You could deduce from that they were only a force for one year in that period but you'd be wrong. Same way you're wrong suggesting City were never a force, pre or post 1950. To suggest otherwise is completely ignorant of facts.
Well it wasn't, that's why it was questioned as the facts proved otherwise.
Yes correct, you would be wrong if you deduced that, because they won several other major honours in that time frame whilst still carrying the stature of being a big club.
Citeh on the other hand haven't been a force since oil money, because they won next to nothing in their entire history before it, simple really.
Jesus you're tedious. Counting only top flight league and major cup competitions, domestic or European, City have featured, either winner or runners up 18 times pre oil money.
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Liverpool have only been a force since Bill Shankly took over in the late 50s.
The idea that only Man Utd vs Liverpool is a genuine rivalry is wrong.
Not quite, 5 league titles (and 3 2nd divisions) before the 50s . Nice try though
In 1950 there weren't 2 teams far ahead on the title list.
Liverpool and Everton had 5
Arsenal, Villa and Sunderland had 6.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_football_champions#Total_titles_won
Liverpool were part of the pack. Until Shankly changed everything
They were a force before 1950 as number of titles shows, and post 1950 too, as number of titles shows.
Not sure what your underlying point is here but whatever it is, it's not holding up.
As were City a force pre 50's and post as their numerous titles show in league and cup (pre 2010s), including at European level, plus several runners up seasons. Pre 50's too Utd won about 2 leagues? Fergie and Busby era's are the anomalies if you want to be technical about it accounting for all but 2 of their leagues?
I'd imagine that's his point which was in reply to someone saying City was a soul less club lacking tradition or history and Utd-Liverpool could only be classed as a proper rivalry.
Citeh were never a force before oil money.
Yea I'm sure he doesn't need you answering for him, if he wanted to respond he would.
But city are a soulless club lacking a proper history and Liverpool-United is a proper rivalry.
The history books say otherwise and I'll reply to whatever posts I like thanks.
So Manchester derby stopped being a derby when the tankings were reversed and titles started going to blue side again :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :). Suppose football only started in 92 ::)
Well they don't, they won about 5 trophies before oil money ;D
I never said you couldn't, but you don't speak for anyone else so you can "imagine" whatever you think his point is all you like. I'll resume that conversation with him if he cares enough to respond.
As for football starting in 92, no it didn't, we were the most successful club in the country before then too, nice try though ;D
He made a point that was pretty obvious . I concur, no imagining about it.
Liverpool won 1 league title in 30 years. You could deduce from that they were only a force for one year in that period but you'd be wrong. Same way you're wrong suggesting City were never a force, pre or post 1950. To suggest otherwise is completely ignorant of facts.
Well it wasn't, that's why it was questioned as the facts proved otherwise.
Yes correct ;D, you would be wrong if you deduced that, because they won several other major honours in that time frame whilst still carrying the stature of being a big club.
Citeh on the other hand haven't been a force since oil money, because they won next to nothing in their entire history before it, simple really.
Jesus you're tedious. Counting only top flight league and major cup competitions, domestic or European, City have featured, either winner or runners up 18 times pre oil money.
Not quite, nobody cares about runners up by the way so not sure why you've counted that.
2 leagues, 4 fa cups and 2 league cups in their entire history pre oil money. 8 major trophies in about 115 years ;D
And before you mention it, because I know it's coming, the cup winners cup is not a major. Feyenoord won Big Ears that year, not Citeh.
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Liverpool have only been a force since Bill Shankly took over in the late 50s.
The idea that only Man Utd vs Liverpool is a genuine rivalry is wrong.
Not quite, 5 league titles (and 3 2nd divisions) before the 50s . Nice try though
In 1950 there weren't 2 teams far ahead on the title list.
Liverpool and Everton had 5
Arsenal, Villa and Sunderland had 6.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_football_champions#Total_titles_won
Liverpool were part of the pack. Until Shankly changed everything
They were a force before 1950 as number of titles shows, and post 1950 too, as number of titles shows.
Not sure what your underlying point is here but whatever it is, it's not holding up.
As were City a force pre 50's and post as their numerous titles show in league and cup (pre 2010s), including at European level, plus several runners up seasons. Pre 50's too Utd won about 2 leagues? Fergie and Busby era's are the anomalies if you want to be technical about it accounting for all but 2 of their leagues?
I'd imagine that's his point which was in reply to someone saying City was a soul less club lacking tradition or history and Utd-Liverpool could only be classed as a proper rivalry.
Citeh were never a force before oil money.
Yea I'm sure he doesn't need you answering for him, if he wanted to respond he would.
But city are a soulless club lacking a proper history and Liverpool-United is a proper rivalry.
The history books say otherwise and I'll reply to whatever posts I like thanks.
So Manchester derby stopped being a derby when the tankings were reversed and titles started going to blue side again :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :). Suppose football only started in 92 ::)
Well they don't, they won about 5 trophies before oil money ;D
I never said you couldn't, but you don't speak for anyone else so you can "imagine" whatever you think his point is all you like. I'll resume that conversation with him if he cares enough to respond.
As for football starting in 92, no it didn't, we were the most successful club in the country before then too, nice try though ;D
He made a point that was pretty obvious . I concur, no imagining about it.
Liverpool won 1 league title in 30 years. You could deduce from that they were only a force for one year in that period but you'd be wrong. Same way you're wrong suggesting City were never a force, pre or post 1950. To suggest otherwise is completely ignorant of facts.
Well it wasn't, that's why it was questioned as the facts proved otherwise.
Yes correct ;D, you would be wrong if you deduced that, because they won several other major honours in that time frame whilst still carrying the stature of being a big club.
Citeh on the other hand haven't been a force since oil money, because they won next to nothing in their entire history before it, simple really.
Jesus you're tedious. Counting only top flight league and major cup competitions, domestic or European, City have featured, either winner or runners up 18 times pre oil money.
Not quite, nobody cares about runners up by the way so not sure why you've counted that.
2 leagues, 4 fa cups and 2 league cups in their entire history pre oil money. 8 major trophies in about 115 years ;D
And before you mention it, because I know it's coming, the cup winners cup is not a major. Feyenoord won Big Ears that year, not Citeh.
Cup winners cup certainly is and at least you're acknowledging facts now, not the imagined 5 trophies you previously quoted.
Runners up is certainly relevant, winning leagues and coming 2nd shows that you are a force in your competition and one of the bigger players.
Sure hasn't this Liverpool team been lauded as the greatest PL team of all time by many despite their 1 trophy. Seems runners up carries more weight for some more than others. Maybe it was the fact they ran City so close.
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Liverpool have only been a force since Bill Shankly took over in the late 50s.
The idea that only Man Utd vs Liverpool is a genuine rivalry is wrong.
Not quite, 5 league titles (and 3 2nd divisions) before the 50s . Nice try though
In 1950 there weren't 2 teams far ahead on the title list.
Liverpool and Everton had 5
Arsenal, Villa and Sunderland had 6.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_football_champions#Total_titles_won
Liverpool were part of the pack. Until Shankly changed everything
They were a force before 1950 as number of titles shows, and post 1950 too, as number of titles shows.
Not sure what your underlying point is here but whatever it is, it's not holding up.
As were City a force pre 50's and post as their numerous titles show in league and cup (pre 2010s), including at European level, plus several runners up seasons. Pre 50's too Utd won about 2 leagues? Fergie and Busby era's are the anomalies if you want to be technical about it accounting for all but 2 of their leagues?
I'd imagine that's his point which was in reply to someone saying City was a soul less club lacking tradition or history and Utd-Liverpool could only be classed as a proper rivalry.
Citeh were never a force before oil money.
Yea I'm sure he doesn't need you answering for him, if he wanted to respond he would.
But city are a soulless club lacking a proper history and Liverpool-United is a proper rivalry.
The history books say otherwise and I'll reply to whatever posts I like thanks.
So Manchester derby stopped being a derby when the tankings were reversed and titles started going to blue side again :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :). Suppose football only started in 92 ::)
Well they don't, they won about 5 trophies before oil money ;D
I never said you couldn't, but you don't speak for anyone else so you can "imagine" whatever you think his point is all you like. I'll resume that conversation with him if he cares enough to respond.
As for football starting in 92, no it didn't, we were the most successful club in the country before then too, nice try though ;D
He made a point that was pretty obvious . I concur, no imagining about it.
Liverpool won 1 league title in 30 years. You could deduce from that they were only a force for one year in that period but you'd be wrong. Same way you're wrong suggesting City were never a force, pre or post 1950. To suggest otherwise is completely ignorant of facts.
Well it wasn't, that's why it was questioned as the facts proved otherwise.
Yes correct ;D, you would be wrong if you deduced that, because they won several other major honours in that time frame whilst still carrying the stature of being a big club.
Citeh on the other hand haven't been a force since oil money, because they won next to nothing in their entire history before it, simple really.
Jesus you're tedious. Counting only top flight league and major cup competitions, domestic or European, City have featured, either winner or runners up 18 times pre oil money.
Not quite, nobody cares about runners up by the way so not sure why you've counted that.
2 leagues, 4 fa cups and 2 league cups in their entire history pre oil money. 8 major trophies in about 115 years ;D
And before you mention it, because I know it's coming, the cup winners cup is not a major. Feyenoord won Big Ears that year, not Citeh.
Cup winners cup certainly is and at least you're acknowledging facts now, not the imagined 5 trophies you previously quoted.
Runners up is certainly relevant, winning leagues and coming 2nd shows that you are a force in your competition and one of the bigger players.
Sure hasn't this Liverpool team been lauded as the greatest PL team of all time by many despite their 1 trophy. Seems runners up carries more weight for some more than others. Maybe it was the fact they ran City so close.
No it isn't. It was the equivalent of 3rd tier football for teams that won domestic cup competitions to give them a taste of European football, and has been since discontinued so it's not even close to being a major. I also said "about 5 trophies".
Big clubs don't count runner up, let's deal in the facts, 8 majors pre oil money is laughable and backs up my point.
No I'd say it's more the fact they won the league by the biggest points margin and at the earliest point in the season, that's probably why.
A great man once said 'If you are first you are first. If you are second you are nothing.'
This is starting to turn into a he said she said which I'm sure no other posters are interested in.
Think City hold the record for points tally, both at the halfway and end point and winning margin too.
But I digress, City are a club rich in history, tradition and success all which predate the oil era. There is nothing you can say to change my opinion on that and it appears nothing I can say to you will make you acknowledge. So we'll leave it at that.
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A great man once said 'If you are first you are first. If you are second you are nothing.'
Grand when you're looking down on everyone but doubt his club would subscribe to that philosophy at present. Pep probably the only one could come out with that now with a straight face.
They don't hold the record for points margin as I said, Liverpool do, they were crowned champions when 23 points clear after city dropped points to Chelsea, that's neither here nor there though, we know Liverpool are a big club.
No bother, I will digress by saying a club with 8 major trophies in 115 years pre oil era is pretty embarrassing and plastic, and there's nothing you can say that will make me change my opinion on that.
Have a good evening👍🏼
Never said Manchester United v Liverpool was the only one but its a proper rivalry and goes back to when the latter was called Newton Heath and arguments over the ship canal trade between the two cites.
Manchester City was a middle of the road club in decades before becoming Oil Rich and even found themselves in league one. They had some success many decades previously however the club lost its soul and their success has been hollow under this ownership.
The media especially SKY Sports with their manufactured rivalry with Liverpool was a joke. Leicester City league success in 2016 and Arsenal if they do go on to win it this year will bring a lot more neutral interest than what Manchester City have brought the last 10 years.
Losing the soul part is a bit much. They have just as much hard core support as anyone.
Having weekenders fill your stadium doesn't quantify soul. Someone here ran down Sunderland as one of these tin pot clubs. In L1 they brought >30k support to every game, 45k to playoffs, 75k to Wembley. They now bring >40k to championship matches. That's not Swedes, Norwegians, Danes, Irish, Chinese, Japanese, Korean etc on a jolly, that's Mackems!
Utd got a march on a lot of clubs in the 90's with their stadium expansion and new revenue streams. Liverpool tried similar but couldn't with Anfield. But by f**k it wasn't from want of trying or more to the point f***ing over lifetime residents living around the stadium. But at least they got to keep their soul eh.
The idea that Liverpool and Man Utd still have soul while Man City don't is bollocks. The clubs were bought by venal billionaires, same as the rest in the top 6 and the Champions League and are run for their amusement. The only thing that matters is money. Even darts sold out to the money men. It's all the same.
Fans are plámásed every weekend. It won't last forever.
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A great man once said 'If you are first you are first. If you are second you are nothing.'
That's all well and good but what about 'First the worst, second the best, and 3rd the one with the hairy chest'?
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The idea that Liverpool and Man Utd still have soul while Man City don't is bollocks. The clubs were bought by venal billionaires, same as the rest in the top 6 and the Champions League and are run for their amusement. The only thing that matters is money. Even darts sold out to the money men. It's all the same.
Fans are plámásed every weekend. It won't last forever.
I agree wholeheartedly. Much as I dislike them, the emergence of Chelsea then City were integral reasons for the PL''s "product" surpassing the other main European leagues. Had it not been for them, the grotty greed of football would have manifested just as distastefully but among fewer clubs.
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That said, without a wage cap ever likely to pass, PL soccer does need mechanisms to at least create the illusion that it's possible for an ambitious, well-run club to incrementally improve into becoming a challenger, and one that isn't at the mercy of sports washing.
Financial penalties mean nothing, so the best solution is to make the punishment for cooking books, an actual deterrent. City should be ejected from all cup competitions now, and relegated to league 2, with Chelsea likely to follow. Yes they'd rise back to the top flight in 3 seasons. But it could be over a decade of squad and reputation building before they get close to the perch they're currently on. That's a proper deterrent.
The ref in the Sheff Utd v Wrexham game must be getting something from Ryan Reynolds
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The idea that Liverpool and Man Utd still have soul while Man City don't is bollocks. The clubs were bought by venal billionaires, same as the rest in the top 6 and the Champions League and are run for their amusement. The only thing that matters is money. Even darts sold out to the money men. It's all the same.
Fans are plámásed every weekend. It won't last forever.
I agree wholeheartedly. Much as I dislike them, the emergence of Chelsea then City were integral reasons for the PL''s "product" surpassing the other main European leagues. Had it not been for them, the grotty greed of football would have manifested just as distastefully but among fewer clubs.
—-
That said, without a wage cap ever likely to pass, PL soccer does need mechanisms to at least create the illusion that it's possible for an ambitious, well-run club to incrementally improve into becoming a challenger, and one that isn't at the mercy of sports washing.
Financial penalties mean nothing, so the best solution is to make the punishment for cooking books, an actual deterrent. City should be ejected from all cup competitions now, and relegated to league 2, with Chelsea likely to follow. Yes they'd rise back to the top flight in 3 seasons. But it could be over a decade of squad and reputation building before they get close to the perch they're currently on. That's a proper deterrent.
Fenway own Liverpool and a few teams in the US where there are salary caps AFAIK. Billionaires don't appear to mind proper competition. It wouldn't change the gross cashflows. You can see how unequal spending on player salaries is in the EPL here
https://salarysport.com/football/#premier-league
It's most likely that the whole edifice will have to collapse before there is any meaningful change. The EPL is a Ponzi scheme.
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The idea that Liverpool and Man Utd still have soul while Man City don't is bollocks. The clubs were bought by venal billionaires, same as the rest in the top 6 and the Champions League and are run for their amusement. The only thing that matters is money. Even darts sold out to the money men. It's all the same.
Fans are plámásed every weekend. It won't last forever.
I agree wholeheartedly. Much as I dislike them, the emergence of Chelsea then City were integral reasons for the PL''s "product" surpassing the other main European leagues. Had it not been for them, the grotty greed of football would have manifested just as distastefully but among fewer clubs.
—-
That said, without a wage cap ever likely to pass, PL soccer does need mechanisms to at least create the illusion that it's possible for an ambitious, well-run club to incrementally improve into becoming a challenger, and one that isn't at the mercy of sports washing.
Financial penalties mean nothing, so the best solution is to make the punishment for cooking books, an actual deterrent. City should be ejected from all cup competitions now, and relegated to league 2, with Chelsea likely to follow. Yes they'd rise back to the top flight in 3 seasons. But it could be over a decade of squad and reputation building before they get close to the perch they're currently on. That's a proper deterrent.
Would the owners be bother with building from league 2? Surely they'd just go and buy an Everton/Villa/Leeds level club?
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The idea that Liverpool and Man Utd still have soul while Man City don't is bollocks. The clubs were bought by venal billionaires, same as the rest in the top 6 and the Champions League and are run for their amusement. The only thing that matters is money. Even darts sold out to the money men. It's all the same.
Fans are plámásed every weekend. It won't last forever.
I agree wholeheartedly. Much as I dislike them, the emergence of Chelsea then City were integral reasons for the PL''s "product" surpassing the other main European leagues. Had it not been for them, the grotty greed of football would have manifested just as distastefully but among fewer clubs.
—-
That said, without a wage cap ever likely to pass, PL soccer does need mechanisms to at least create the illusion that it's possible for an ambitious, well-run club to incrementally improve into becoming a challenger, and one that isn't at the mercy of sports washing.
Financial penalties mean nothing, so the best solution is to make the punishment for cooking books, an actual deterrent. City should be ejected from all cup competitions now, and relegated to league 2, with Chelsea likely to follow. Yes they'd rise back to the top flight in 3 seasons. But it could be over a decade of squad and reputation building before they get close to the perch they're currently on. That's a proper deterrent.
Would the owners be bother with building from league 2? Surely they'd just go and buy an Everton/Villa/Leeds level club?
But to do what? Should they spend roughly within those club's means, and there's no quick fix. Spend beyond their means and the the slippery slope appears again. Not sure how this scenario this would entice anyone.
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Quote from: seafoid on February 07, 2023, 07:45:15 PM
The idea that Liverpool and Man Utd still have soul while Man City don't is bollocks. The clubs were bought by venal billionaires, same as the rest in the top 6 and the Champions League and are run for their amusement. The only thing that matters is money. Even darts sold out to the money men. It's all the same.
Fans are plámásed every weekend. It won't last forever.
I agree wholeheartedly. Much as I dislike them, the emergence of Chelsea then City were integral reasons for the PL''s "product" surpassing the other main European leagues. Had it not been for them, the grotty greed of football would have manifested just as distastefully but among fewer clubs.
—-
That said, without a wage cap ever likely to pass, PL soccer does need mechanisms to at least create the illusion that it's possible for an ambitious, well-run club to incrementally improve into becoming a challenger, and one that isn't at the mercy of sports washing.
Financial penalties mean nothing, so the best solution is to make the punishment for cooking books, an actual deterrent. City should be ejected from all cup competitions now, and relegated to league 2, with Chelsea likely to follow. Yes they'd rise back to the top flight in 3 seasons. But it could be over a decade of squad and reputation building before they get close to the perch they're currently on. That's a proper deterrent.
Leicester won a league but didn't kick on because it's impossible. It requires changing the whole wage structure of the club in order to hold onto players and stop the big boys from pillaging your squad. Try to compete without a BIG sugar daddy you go broke, simples.
If FFP was implemented as some would like, there would be even more of a monopoly. I don't mind the way it is, at least it gets mixed up a bit and less boring. And "smaller" clubs have a better chance this way, by attracting said sugar daddy.
TBH in a way the European Super league might have been better to happen- for everyone else at least. It would have shown up the big boys for what they are and could have turned sour eventually.
Domestic leagues would have continued as they are on a more level and sensible footing. If the other thing did go tits up would have been some craic to see them skulking home trying to get back in again.
So it's like ... nope, all above board here. Oh wait, 115 dodgy cases. How'd we miss those?
It's a bit like when saville died. Nobody seen or heard nothing for 50 years . Then...oh look, 3000 allegations down the back of the filing cabinet
Makes you wonder what's going on behind the curtains, and not just City's curtains
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 07, 2023, 11:32:17 PM
TBH in a way the European Super league might have been better to happen- for everyone else at least. It would have shown up the big boys for what they are and could have turned sour eventually.
Domestic leagues would have continued as they are on a more level and sensible footing. If the other thing did go tits up would have been some craic to see them skulking home trying to get back in again.
Sure the Premier League is becoming the Super League. Look at the money Nottingham Forest spent when they got Promoted. Celtic and Ranges couldn't even compete with teams at the bottom end of the Premier League for players.
Chelsea spent more in the January window then the rest of top 5 leagues combined.
The English clubs are getting so far ahead with the Sky money.and foreign owners.
if they can't do salary caps they should control how much money teams get.
It would make the Champions League much more interesting.
United averaged over 50,000 the season they spent in Div 2, weren't too many day trippers or glory hunters around in those days.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on February 08, 2023, 08:47:04 AM
United averaged over 50,000 the season they spent in Div 2, weren't too many day trippers or glory hunters around in those days.
And they averaged 10,000 fewer than that the season before. so would it be fair to describe 20% of their fan base at the time as glory hunters?
Quote from: Maroon Manc on February 08, 2023, 08:47:04 AM
United averaged over 50,000 the season they spent in Div 2, weren't too many day trippers or glory hunters around in those days.
Or no prawn sandwiches either. Having admission prices over the 15-20 quid mark will get rid of a lot of the "soul".
Relegation odds
.https://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/relegation
1. Bournemouth
2. Southampton
3. Everton
4. Leeds
5. Forest
1-1 the popular result today. Opportunity for Soulless City to close the gap at the top to three points tomorrow.
Soton mustnt want to stay up. On the verge of appointin Marsch as manager....
Hassenthutl be doin some laughin
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on February 14, 2023, 12:41:57 PM
Soton mustnt want to stay up. On the verge of appointin Marsch as manager....
Hassenthutl be doin some laughin
Southampton follow the data, their whole model is based on this and the reason they went for Jones was because of that. I would imagine with the American sport obsession with data and stats that Mrasch woud be a good fit. I'm not saying that it would work, but if that is what your model is it makes sense.
Hope Arsenal can do the business tomorrow night. Results haven't gone their way of late but they're still playing ok plus got done by VAR at the weekend. They're at home plus an extra days rest so expect a big performance from them and I think an attack oriented team will suit them. Be nice to see the title race go down to the wire and a new team emerge.
Good game, pretty soft penalty though I thought.
Pretty clear pen I thought
Quote from: gawa316 on February 15, 2023, 08:27:27 PM
Pretty clear pen I thought
I dunno the ball was gone, it was a coming together more than Ederson taking him out.
Arsenal deserve to be level though in fairness.
Seen it given or not given.. to be fair I don't think Arsenal would have complained
It's not a penalty. Unless we are now giving penalties for every time a player gets touched by a keeper after a shot.
Quote from: trileacman on February 15, 2023, 08:40:36 PM
It's not a penalty. Unless we are now giving penalties for every time a player gets touched by a keeper after a shot.
Could look at it that the keeper didn't try and play the ball at all!
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Quote from: trileacman on February 15, 2023, 08:40:36 PM
It's not a penalty. Unless we are now giving penalties for every time a player gets touched by a keeper after a shot.
Could look at it that the keeper didn't try and play the ball at all!
There was no ball to play it was being cleared off the goal line at the time.
Great game a real throwback to the old Arsenal/United rivalry where there's plenty of needle and the crowd are getting well stuck into things.
Arsenal fans are horrible though.
Is Haaland playing?
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I agree and my youngest is one of them!
Quote from: screenexile on February 15, 2023, 08:56:49 PM
Great game a real throwback to the old Arsenal/United rivalry where there's plenty of needle and the crowd are getting well stuck into things.
Arsenal fans are horrible though.
Arteta not very likeable either. All the John Mullane type fist pumping from the players to the crowd every time they win a free or a throw in is a bit much also.
Nice finish from Grealish there, I had just been thinking to myself how shit he is 😂
Two teams of absolute shitheads.
Arsenal are nowhere. Top 3 could be a struggle. They're finished. Between two Manchester clubs now.
Quote from: trailer on February 15, 2023, 09:18:44 PM
Two teams of absolute shitheads.
Arsenal are nowhere. Top 3 could be a struggle. They're finished. Between two Manchester clubs now.
They're only ahead on goal difference you may be slightly over reacting here!
First home defeat of the season for the Arse
Primes coverage is hard to beat. McCoist and Tyldsley the best in the business.
Arsenal still have the advantage of a game in hand but it looks like they are finished in terms of the title. City will triumph. As if it was ever in doubt.
Arsenal need Jesus back ASAP. Nketiah ok up to now but not a man to lead a top team season long. Should have scored tonight. The goals have dried up elsewhere too. They have a tendency to over play it when shots are on and at the back gave away two goals tonight from too many skittery little passes at the back. Squad overall probably too small in numbers.
City looked the exact opposite. Haaland and De Bruyne took their chances brilliantly. Overall much more assured and clinical. Long way to go yet but gunners need a serious injection from somewhere.
Quote from: screenexile on February 15, 2023, 09:25:20 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 15, 2023, 09:18:44 PM
Two teams of absolute shitheads.
Arsenal are nowhere. Top 3 could be a struggle. They're finished. Between two Manchester clubs now.
They're only ahead on goal difference you may be slightly over reacting here!
Trailer overreact? Never.
The man knows everything about everything and if you don't agree you're wrong.
Best to react to his posts with a thumbs up or a thank you like the lad no one really paid much attention to
Said ages ago Arsenal would shit the bed, just a pity United didn't hold on for a win vs Palace and a draw against Arsenal there recently we'd be sitting lovely. It's City's to lose now, I don't think United have the squad to push hard in 4 competitions however a huge slice of luck with fitness and you never know.
United never winning the title
For a team that spent £220m in the summer (their highest ever) it's a joke they're only 3rd so stop playing it Down.
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on February 15, 2023, 10:40:48 PM
United never winning the title
For a team that spent £220m in the summer (their highest ever) it's a joke they're only 3rd so stop playing it Down.
The bus is getting a good cleaning for the parade
The fact that some United supporters wanted city to win tonight tells you all you need to know about the so called Manchester derby
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on February 15, 2023, 11:01:54 PM
The fact that some United supporters wanted city to win tonight tells you all you need to know about the so called Manchester derby
Just wanted to make Gary Neville correct
If Utd get second it's like winning the league especially when City lose their titles
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on February 15, 2023, 10:40:48 PM
United never winning the title
For a team that spent £220m in the summer (their highest ever) it's a joke they're only 3rd so stop playing it Down.
The state of the club the last decade and after the first 2 league games? Every United fan is delighted with where they are at the minute. Money is irrelevant these days ffs, Maguire £80m who is at best a decent defender at worst a complete liability, similar money for Antony who may come good some day but for now is a flashy but not overly effective winger? Then you look at the mad money Chelsea are spending. Games gone mad now
The games finished
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 15, 2023, 10:02:56 PM
Said ages ago Arsenal would shit the bed, just a pity United didn't hold on for a win vs Palace and a draw against Arsenal there recently we'd be sitting lovely. It's City's to lose now, I don't think United have the squad to push hard in 4 competitions however a huge slice of luck with fitness and you never know.
So if Man United had won the games they didn't win they would be in a better position than they are...
Pretty sure every club could say that buddy ;D
Utd will finish above Arsenal.
Quote from: An Watcher on February 16, 2023, 07:22:18 AM
The games finished
The professional game and how its run is way beyond ridiculous , has been for a long time, but the upside is the bantometer is off the charts these days, lyrical artists
Quote from: Turf on February 16, 2023, 08:52:02 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 15, 2023, 10:02:56 PM
Said ages ago Arsenal would shit the bed, just a pity United didn't hold on for a win vs Palace and a draw against Arsenal there recently we'd be sitting lovely. It's City's to lose now, I don't think United have the squad to push hard in 4 competitions however a huge slice of luck with fitness and you never know.
So if Man United had won the games they didn't win they would be in a better position than they are...
Pretty sure every club could say that buddy ;D
well those 2 stick out recently especially since United conceded late goals in both. City won't be beat now.
What a difference a couple of weeks make. Some Utd fans have gone from trying to play down their top 4 credentials, to the league being now a 2 horse race with them and City.
Arteta will have to earn his bread now but I wouldn't rule them out yet. The Everton result was a disaster but apart from that the last 4 games were a tricky run. A farcical VAR decision cost them all 3 points against Brentford and Nketiah should have had at least 2 goals last night. They gave away 2 stupid goals at the back and possibly should have had another penalty (the first one was stone wall for me, couldn't understand the big debate about it).
They have a decent run coming up so they need to draw a line in the sand, win their next game against Villa to stop the rot and get a bit of confidence back. If they can pick up 2 wins from the next 2 and also have Jesus return they're back on track. City have congested fixtures coming up, will absolutely have major focus on CL plus they also have FA Cup. There's a good chance they'll drop points. Plus City and Arsenal still have to play so a 6 pointer if it's neck and neck. Of course the major advantages are with City, being options regarding squad size/quality and champion's experience. But a win/loss either way in the PL can quickly change the narrative.
If City and Arsenal drop points its Utd's to lose, they should be ten ahead at the top of the table, had they taken their points against those teams they lost to!! Crazy, madness..
Goal difference/scoring for United is an issue, they need to put a couple of 3-0, 4-0 together but unfortunately they don't have the fire power to do that. When you can only score 1 at palace and the likes leaves us susceptible to dropping points. Even when they got 2 against palace at home it was a scramble at the last to get the win. If Rashford gets hurt or goes off the boil they are in serious difficulties.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 16, 2023, 11:34:31 AM
If City and Arsenal drop points its Utd's to lose, they should be ten ahead at the top of the table, had they taken their points against those teams they lost to!! Crazy, madness..
Wouldn't every team be clear at the top if they'd taken their points against the teams they lost to
Quote from: maldini on February 16, 2023, 09:27:51 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 16, 2023, 11:34:31 AM
If City and Arsenal drop points its Utd's to lose, they should be ten ahead at the top of the table, had they taken their points against those teams they lost to!! Crazy, madness..
Wouldn't every team be clear at the top if they'd taken their points against the teams they lost to
No no.. the quad is still on!!
Good day for Arsenal in the two horse Premier league title race with them winning late on against Villa and Man City dropping two points against Nottingham Forest.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on February 18, 2023, 04:53:20 PM
Good day for Arsenal in the two horse Premier league title race with them winning late on against Villa and Man City dropping two points against Nottingham Forest.
Pep won't be happy with Fodden completely fecking up a chance when not gifting it to Haaland
Potter needs some magic to save his job at Chelsea.
Great boost for Arsenal.
Arsenal shouldn't get 2 excited. Villa are crap. The Arse need to beat decent teams.
Quote from: seafoid on February 18, 2023, 08:58:13 PM
Arsenal shouldn't get 2 excited. Villa are crap. The Arse need to beat decent teams.
bit of daylight again though. Liverpool back in the mix for 4th now. Huge week for United, 3 wins and the season starting to look like a good one!
Quote from: seafoid on February 18, 2023, 08:58:13 PM
Arsenal shouldn't get 2 excited. Villa are crap. The Arse need to beat decent teams.
That's not how a league works. 3 points are awarded for winning , no matter who the opposition is. There are 9 teams below Villa , and Arsenal still have to play every one of them. If they win all 9 then they won't have much more to do in the other 6.
Quote from: shark on February 18, 2023, 09:20:49 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 18, 2023, 08:58:13 PM
Arsenal shouldn't get 2 excited. Villa are crap. The Arse need to beat decent teams.
That's not how a league works. 3 points are awarded for winning , no matter who the opposition is. There are 9 teams below Villa , and Arsenal still have to play every one of them. If they win all 9 then they won't have much more to do in the other 6.
That's not really how a league works either. Arsenal have to finish ahead of Man City. Man City would also beat Villa and co.
It's how Arsenal do in the big matches with a knackered squad that will tell the tale.
Quote from: seafoid on February 18, 2023, 10:09:18 PM
Quote from: shark on February 18, 2023, 09:20:49 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 18, 2023, 08:58:13 PM
Arsenal shouldn't get 2 excited. Villa are crap. The Arse need to beat decent teams.
That's not how a league works. 3 points are awarded for winning , no matter who the opposition is. There are 9 teams below Villa , and Arsenal still have to play every one of them. If they win all 9 then they won't have much more to do in the other 6.
That's not really how a league works either. Arsenal have to finish ahead of Man City. Man City would also beat Villa and co.
It's how Arsenal do in the big matches with a knackered squad that will tell the tale.
But Man City didn't win their fixture at Villa Park. They drew it. Yes Arsenal must get more points than City. But their games against "crap" teams will be more important as they have 9 of them , as opposed to 6 against top half teams.
Quote from: shark on February 19, 2023, 08:11:52 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 18, 2023, 10:09:18 PM
Quote from: shark on February 18, 2023, 09:20:49 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 18, 2023, 08:58:13 PM
Arsenal shouldn't get 2 excited. Villa are crap. The Arse need to beat decent teams.
That's not how a league works. 3 points are awarded for winning , no matter who the opposition is. There are 9 teams below Villa , and Arsenal still have to play every one of them. If they win all 9 then they won't have much more to do in the other 6.
That's not really how a league works either. Arsenal have to finish ahead of Man City. Man City would also beat Villa and co.
It's how Arsenal do in the big matches with a knackered squad that will tell the tale.
But Man City didn't win their fixture at Villa Park. They drew it. Yes Arsenal must get more points than City. But their games against "crap" teams will be more important as they have 9 of them , as opposed to 6 against top half teams.
Yes the most consistent team that makes the least amount of mistakes wins the league. Set of results yesterday more than made up for Arsenals loss against City.
Good response from Arsenal from their recent blip. The other Everton result really was a freak and VAR hasn't been particularly kind to them of late but they have negotiated a tricky 6 weeks quite well and responded from the City defeat which really could have been the season derailer everyone is expecting. Should pick up another 3 points on Saturday and I'm sure they'll be hoping Newcastle can respond from recent disappointments and do them a favour.
Everton look in serious trouble. Completely and utterly outclassed tonight.
I thought some of the United experts like trailer knew Arsenal would "bottle" it ?
Quote from: Saffrongael on March 01, 2023, 11:03:32 PM
I thought some of the United experts like trailer knew Arsenal would "bottle" it ?
Honestly thought they would have by now. Traditionally they have fell away around March time. Have to say they are looking good so far and fair play to them, but still a long long way to go!
Quote from: Saffrongael on March 01, 2023, 11:03:32 PM
I thought some of the United experts like trailer knew Arsenal would "bottle" it ?
He who shall not be named will be on shortly with a detailed analysis of why arsenal aren't good enough. I'd say if they reach April still 5 clear he'll spontaneously combust.
Never saw a league cup as celebrated in my life, you'd barely hear of it other years. God save us if they get to the FA cup final
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on March 03, 2023, 10:38:05 AM
Quote from: Saffrongael on March 01, 2023, 11:03:32 PM
I thought some of the United experts like trailer knew Arsenal would "bottle" it ?
He who shall not be named will be on shortly with a detailed analysis of why arsenal aren't good enough. I'd say if they reach April still 5 clear he'll spontaneously combust.
Never saw a league cup as celebrated in my life, you'd barely hear of it other years. God save us if they get to the FA cup final
Are you sure about that?
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on March 03, 2023, 11:20:06 AM
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on March 03, 2023, 10:38:05 AM
Quote from: Saffrongael on March 01, 2023, 11:03:32 PM
I thought some of the United experts like trailer knew Arsenal would "bottle" it ?
He who shall not be named will be on shortly with a detailed analysis of why arsenal aren't good enough. I'd say if they reach April still 5 clear he'll spontaneously combust.
Never saw a league cup as celebrated in my life, you'd barely hear of it other years. God save us if they get to the FA cup final
Are you sure about that?
I hope BrotherMore isn't a Liverpool fan coming out with that!
Newcastle have really fallen away since Christmas. Now they are 4 points behind Tottenham in 4th.
Liverpool are only 2 points behind them. You would think that Liverpool could be more consistent than Spurs but this season is weird.
Spurs must be so frustrating to support. They are so erratic, but I don't trust them to go on a run.
Newcastle seemed to have a lot taken out of them in the Cup Final and I reckon they could fall off.
If Liverpool can get any form they could easily get 4th, especially if they drop a bit deeper and hope Salah kicks on again.
There is going to be some turnover of players within those top 6 teams this summer too. Liverpool need an entire midfield and I really don't see why Bellingham would go there. He has his pick of teams and City would probably get him, but United might suit him more.
Chelsea will hoover up players too and then will need to sell on. Rice will go there. Talk of Mount to Liverpool but really I don't get the love for him. He is tidy but not a world beater.
Newcastle will go wild too! They will need some upgrading too. If Arsenal win then they are a top prospect for players as well. It is going to be a mad summer and so much will depend on where it ends up before then.
If Liverpool don't make it they will end up overpaying. United were screwed for years but now you could imagine players wanting to come to be part of it, as opposed to just getting loads of cash.
Watching the City game, particularly how Haaland plays or how they play him. It's phenomenal how many goals he's got considering the lack of touches or the amount of times the play makers look for him..
Foden has found some form
I don't think Haaland suits Man City. Yes he still scores a ton of goals but he could probably score more in other teams.
Arsenal 2-0 behind at home to Bournemouth an hour played. End up winning 3-2 with the winner in the eight minute of injury time. Arsenal's name on trophy?
That could be Arsenal's 'Sheffield Wednesday' game.
When you time waste the whole game and time waste in injury time you deserve that!! Well done Arsenal
Magic by Arsenal.
They are doing their best not to be likeable with Arteta being a complete arsehole on the line and the players seemingly trying to copy the ManU of Ferguson in complaining about every single decision that goes against them and ignoring every decision that goes their way, but still they'll always be more likable than City and the attitude they showed after going 2-0 down was really top class. G'wan the Gooners.
Apparently Evan Ferguson had another good game for Brighton today.. really need to get him involved in the international team
Quote from: clarshack on March 04, 2023, 05:03:33 PM
That could be Arsenal's 'Sheffield Wednesday' game.
Why, did someone shove the ref? ;D
Yes, I said To myself at the time it felt like that Steve Bruce moment . I think they have it won now
Utd must have been on the beer all week after the league cup win.
How Bruno didn't get a red. Surely a suspension for pushing linesman?
Quote from: mrdeeds on March 05, 2023, 06:26:16 PM
How Bruno didn't get a red. Surely a suspension for pushing linesman?
I have never seen someone push an official and get nothing. Ridiculous.
Hag played a blinder re Fernandez, kept him on and sent him out to do the TV interview
Carragher and Souness taking the absolute piss out of Neville, the little turd is seething 😂 he doesn't think Liverpool played well! Imagine we had!
You love to see it.
United will do well to get champions league football. Think Liverpool will finish above them. Mentally weak which was demonstrated by their defensive performance.
Antony, Fernandes absolute headers. Rory Gallagher like. At one stage I thought Antony was on dancing with the stars
Souness is comedy gold at the moment. Has Neville in an awful state 😂
Honestly thought Neville was going to walk off the set there ;D
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on March 05, 2023, 07:37:06 PM
United will do well to get champions league football. Think Liverpool will finish above them. Mentally weak which was demonstrated by their defensive performance.
Antony, Fernandes absolute headers. Rory Gallagher like. At one stage I thought Antony was on dancing with the stars
Ah, go way to sh1te. One bad day in the office. They'll get Champions League football comfortably.
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on March 05, 2023, 07:37:06 PM
United will do well to get champions league football. Think Liverpool will finish above them. Mentally weak which was demonstrated by their defensive performance.
Antony, Fernandes absolute headers. Rory Gallagher like. At one stage I thought Antony was on dancing with the stars
😂😂😂
Neville squirming on Sky Sports is always great!
I like Neville but he talks some bollocks too, apparently ETH has performed a miracle to get United where they are. Talk about over the top.
Quote from: laoislad on March 05, 2023, 07:39:53 PM
Souness is comedy gold at the moment. Has Neville in an awful state 😂
Neville is to emotionally invested to be rational. Never seen him so far of base with his analysis
I think when two bald men are slabbering over a comb you're in trouble, for Utd now it's one down two to go. The quad is finished
Ah that's the 'title' challenge done for another year I guess ::)
Quote from: gawa316 on March 05, 2023, 08:03:15 PM
Ah that's the 'title' challenge done for another year I guess ::)
Yes as the goal difference took a hammering today ;D
Otherwise.......
I was impressed with Gary Neville today. Obviously he is biased towards ManU, just like Souness is equally biased towards Liverpool and their tit-for-tat was great fun and neither hide their bias.
Neville was trying to find positives, and he is definitely more positive than Keano, who still remains to be convinced that United have turned into contenders.
Every club has divers, most players dive when they have the opportunity, but the biggest cheat in the premier league is Bruno Fernandes. Nobody feigns injury as consistently as Fernandes in English football. A liar, cheat and absolute scum bag. An embarrassment of a 'captain'. And in fairness to Neville he called out Bruno's disgraceful behaviors 4 or 5 times today. Gary was rightly embarrassed that his great club is captained by this absolute ballbag. Begging to be subbed! Fair play to Gary.
Very good interview by Ten Haag in the aftermath of what was a catastrophic performance. Even Roy was impressed
So Sunday was Liverpool's biggest ever win over Man Utd. What was the biggest ever win in the other direction? Google is too crowded out with today's result for me to find it.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on March 06, 2023, 12:52:58 AM
So Sunday was Liverpool's biggest ever win over Man Utd. What was the biggest ever win in the other direction? Google is too crowded out with today's result for me to find it.
It doesn't matter. It's not bigger than our top 2 or 3 wins over them. So you can chalk that one off for debating point as we hold the upper hand on that one as well.
Go to bed. I'm not talking to you.
Believe it or not, it is possible to be curious about this without supporting either team.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on March 06, 2023, 12:52:58 AM
So Sunday was Liverpool's biggest ever win over Man Utd. What was the biggest ever win in the other direction? Google is too crowded out with today's result for me to find it.
6 -1 in 1928.
Cheers Delgany.
Liverpool to win this 3-1 now.
Quote from: Gael85 on March 11, 2023, 01:56:47 PM
Liverpool to win this 3-1 now.
Hope so! Beating my early four timer!!
Have the commentators also refused to work for MOTD today? Will they be just showing the highlights then with no analysis or commentary then?
The funny thing is they will probably get a bigger viewership than normal now with people tuning in to see how it will all play out.
Spurs taking advantage
Quote from: jcpen on March 11, 2023, 03:11:03 PM
Have the commentators also refused to work for MOTD today? Will they be just showing the highlights then with no analysis or commentary then?
The funny thing is they will probably get a bigger viewership than normal now with people tuning in to see how it will all play out.
Think they are getting commentary from another feed. And yeah probably will be big ratings tonight from those who just want to see what way it looks plus those bitter ones that don't like Gary Lineker for example this tube: https://twitter.com/edwinpootsmla/status/1634462596647583745?s=46
Quote from: square_ball on March 11, 2023, 04:16:52 PM
Quote from: jcpen on March 11, 2023, 03:11:03 PM
Have the commentators also refused to work for MOTD today? Will they be just showing the highlights then with no analysis or commentary then?
The funny thing is they will probably get a bigger viewership than normal now with people tuning in to see how it will all play out.
Think they are getting commentary from another feed. And yeah probably will be big ratings tonight from those who just want to see what way it looks plus those bitter ones that don't like Gary Lineker for example this tube: https://twitter.com/edwinpootsmla/status/1634462596647583745?s=46
Whitey will be tuning in with his mate Poots tonight too, if anyone knows how to score a own goal it's him ;D
Lack of pundit turned a 1 hour show into 20 minutes. Only missed the ccommentry ;)
I prefer the hour and a half show to that crap last night. Sure you can go on YouTube every week and watch 3 minute highlights of any match. Seems I'm in a minority where I like to watch a bit of a discussion around a match.
Quote from: Denn Forever on March 12, 2023, 10:33:31 AM
Lack of pundit turned a 1 hour show into 20 minutes. Only missed the ccommentry ;)
Why dafuq the theme tune disappear tho
The only goal of the game for Brighton tonight scored by Solly March on 15 minutes and today is the March 15th.
Some rant by Conte, now 1/5 to be next premiership manager to be sacked.
Southampton 3-3 Tottenham: Antonio Conte's furious media conference after Spurs let lead slip - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/65004422
Arsenal are sheer class to watch. Really hope they lift the trophy.
Quote from: Look-Up! on March 19, 2023, 03:16:37 PM
Arsenal are sheer class to watch. Really hope they lift the trophy.
Could watch it all
Even better than city
Quote from: Square Ball on March 19, 2023, 10:36:19 AM
Some rant by Conte, now 1/5 to be next premiership manager to be sacked.
Southampton 3-3 Tottenham: Antonio Conte's furious media conference after Spurs let lead slip - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/65004422
Listened to it and he's not wrong. Whether Levy and Co want to be reminded of their own shortcomings in public is another thing.
If they do sack him, expect it to get messy.
Had to laugh about how kids mimic their soccer stars at grass roots level, the topic being about the red cards and abuse to the referee and how players will keep thinking its ok to go at the officials at a game..
This father was on talksport this morning saying its that bad when kids will copy their idols, that when the kids are now chatting in games (under 7's) they are covering their mouths when speaking to each other!!
Quote from: johnnycool on March 20, 2023, 09:03:59 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on March 19, 2023, 10:36:19 AM
Some rant by Conte, now 1/5 to be next premiership manager to be sacked.
Southampton 3-3 Tottenham: Antonio Conte's furious media conference after Spurs let lead slip - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/65004422
Listened to it and he's not wrong. Whether Levy and Co want to be reminded of their own shortcomings in public is another thing.
If they do sack him, expect it to get messy.
He's not wrong.
But about 4 miles down the road a manager with no big reputation, has spent similar amounts of money to Conte turning what was a weaker squad than Spurs into likely PL winners, and doing so while playing attractive football.
So what Levy want to do, can be done.
ENIC just have this awful habit of picking managers who aren't suited to the job. like Conte, probably the biggest fraud in the history of management.
Refuses to change his team, until forced by injury. Refuses to change his formation to suit what's available. Concedes midfield in every game, regardless of opposition. He's getting paid over a million a month to manage Spurs and every single player has gone backwards apart from the bombproof Kane.
He's an absolute con man.
Quote from: thewobbler on March 20, 2023, 10:05:32 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 20, 2023, 09:03:59 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on March 19, 2023, 10:36:19 AM
Some rant by Conte, now 1/5 to be next premiership manager to be sacked.
Southampton 3-3 Tottenham: Antonio Conte's furious media conference after Spurs let lead slip - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/65004422
Listened to it and he's not wrong. Whether Levy and Co want to be reminded of their own shortcomings in public is another thing.
If they do sack him, expect it to get messy.
He's not wrong.
But about 4 miles down the road a manager with no big reputation, has spent similar amounts of money to Conte turning what was a weaker squad than Spurs into likely PL winners, and doing so while playing attractive football.
So what Levy want to do, can be done.
ENIC just have this awful habit of picking managers who aren't suited to the job. like Conte, probably the biggest fraud in the history of management.
Refuses to change his team, until forced by injury. Refuses to change his formation to suit what's available. Concedes midfield in every game, regardless of opposition. He's getting paid over a million a month to manage Spurs and every single player has gone backwards apart from the bombproof Kane.
He's an absolute con man.
Conte gone, so who will Levy turn to now? Lampard....
Quote from: johnnycool on March 21, 2023, 03:11:47 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 20, 2023, 10:05:32 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 20, 2023, 09:03:59 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on March 19, 2023, 10:36:19 AM
Some rant by Conte, now 1/5 to be next premiership manager to be sacked.
Southampton 3-3 Tottenham: Antonio Conte's furious media conference after Spurs let lead slip - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/65004422
Listened to it and he's not wrong. Whether Levy and Co want to be reminded of their own shortcomings in public is another thing.
If they do sack him, expect it to get messy.
He's not wrong.
But about 4 miles down the road a manager with no big reputation, has spent similar amounts of money to Conte turning what was a weaker squad than Spurs into likely PL winners, and doing so while playing attractive football.
So what Levy want to do, can be done.
ENIC just have this awful habit of picking managers who aren't suited to the job. like Conte, probably the biggest fraud in the history of management.
Refuses to change his team, until forced by injury. Refuses to change his formation to suit what's available. Concedes midfield in every game, regardless of opposition. He's getting paid over a million a month to manage Spurs and every single player has gone backwards apart from the bombproof Kane.
He's an absolute con man.
Conte gone, so who will Levy turn to now? Lampard....
He'd go for his Uncle Harry before taking Lampard
What is it about Spurs that breaks the will of managers.
Back to Poch for Spurs now? The man they should never have sacked. What a joke of a club.
Conte will probably stay until the end of the season.
Quote from: johnnycool on March 21, 2023, 03:11:47 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 20, 2023, 10:05:32 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 20, 2023, 09:03:59 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on March 19, 2023, 10:36:19 AM
Some rant by Conte, now 1/5 to be next premiership manager to be sacked.
Southampton 3-3 Tottenham: Antonio Conte's furious media conference after Spurs let lead slip - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/65004422
Listened to it and he's not wrong. Whether Levy and Co want to be reminded of their own shortcomings in public is another thing.
If they do sack him, expect it to get messy.
He's not wrong.
But about 4 miles down the road a manager with no big reputation, has spent similar amounts of money to Conte turning what was a weaker squad than Spurs into likely PL winners, and doing so while playing attractive football.
So what Levy want to do, can be done.
ENIC just have this awful habit of picking managers who aren't suited to the job. like Conte, probably the biggest fraud in the history of management.
Refuses to change his team, until forced by injury. Refuses to change his formation to suit what's available. Concedes midfield in every game, regardless of opposition. He's getting paid over a million a month to manage Spurs and every single player has gone backwards apart from the bombproof Kane.
He's an absolute con man.
Conte gone, so who will Levy turn to now? Lampard....
Conte gone ?
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 21, 2023, 04:32:54 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 21, 2023, 03:11:47 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 20, 2023, 10:05:32 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 20, 2023, 09:03:59 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on March 19, 2023, 10:36:19 AM
Some rant by Conte, now 1/5 to be next premiership manager to be sacked.
Southampton 3-3 Tottenham: Antonio Conte's furious media conference after Spurs let lead slip - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/65004422
Listened to it and he's not wrong. Whether Levy and Co want to be reminded of their own shortcomings in public is another thing.
If they do sack him, expect it to get messy.
He's not wrong.
But about 4 miles down the road a manager with no big reputation, has spent similar amounts of money to Conte turning what was a weaker squad than Spurs into likely PL winners, and doing so while playing attractive football.
So what Levy want to do, can be done.
ENIC just have this awful habit of picking managers who aren't suited to the job. like Conte, probably the biggest fraud in the history of management.
Refuses to change his team, until forced by injury. Refuses to change his formation to suit what's available. Concedes midfield in every game, regardless of opposition. He's getting paid over a million a month to manage Spurs and every single player has gone backwards apart from the bombproof Kane.
He's an absolute con man.
Conte gone, so who will Levy turn to now? Lampard....
Conte gone ?
No sign anywhere
Quote from: johnnycool on March 20, 2023, 09:03:59 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on March 19, 2023, 10:36:19 AM
Some rant by Conte, now 1/5 to be next premiership manager to be sacked.
Southampton 3-3 Tottenham: Antonio Conte's furious media conference after Spurs let lead slip - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/65004422
Listened to it and he's not wrong. Whether Levy and Co want to be reminded of their own shortcomings in public is another thing.
If they do sack him, expect it to get messy.
While he may not be wrong it's something you say in the dressing room instead of in front of the English media. It's clear Conte did what he did because he wants out and probably get a big pay package if sacked now. He's so simliar to Jose Mourinho in playing style and attitude.
Exactly he wants the sack and then he gets the cash and can say that Spurs are just Spurs and what can you do.
Kane will surely hit the road with such instability for the last few years. United would be the spot for him and he could drop deep as Rashford and AN Other run beyond him. Eriksen will be back and is used to playing with him too.
I know his race is a bit run with Athletico but you would imagine some clubs going after Simeone eg Spurs and Chelsea?
Potter will surely be gone too as I honestly don't understand how he gets a free pass (well I do - he is English) with the players he has. That's another job up for grabs.
As I said it's going to be a mad year in the transfer market. Liverpool are going to be in bits having left so many lads go off the boil together. Newcastle could overtake them full with Howe having cash to spend.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on March 21, 2023, 05:37:03 PM
Exactly he wants the sack and then he gets the cash and can say that Spurs are just Spurs and what can you do.
Kane will surely hit the road with such instability for the last few years. United would be the spot for him and he could drop deep as Rashford and AN Other run beyond him. Eriksen will be back and is used to playing with him too.
I know his race is a bit run with Athletico but you would imagine some clubs going after Simeone eg Spurs and Chelsea?
Potter will surely be gone too as I honestly don't understand how he gets a free pass (well I do - he is English) with the players he has. That's another job up for grabs.
As I said it's going to be a mad year in the transfer market. Liverpool are going to be in bits having left so many lads go off the boil together. Newcastle could overtake them full with Howe having cash to spend.
I was a bit premature on the gone bit evidently but he's supposed to be going in the summer anyway so does Levy pay out the £4m to let him go now and get in an interim manager or ride it out with him still in charge?
Gary Nev absolutely vindicated in saying Conte wasn't right for Utd.
If I was Levy I would show him the door and tell him he can sign for severance pay. Put him out on his arse on a gross misconduct charge.
Quote from: trailer on March 22, 2023, 12:18:08 PM
Gary Nev absolutely vindicated in saying Conte wasn't right for Utd.
If I was Levy I would show him the door and tell him he can sign for severance pay. Put him out on his arse on a gross misconduct charge.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.. Don't think Conte said anything wrong tbh players texting Poch behind his back to come back etc just shows his criticism is justified. Spurs players want an easy ride.
United board said no more player bullshit and gave Ten Haag free rein, Levy needs to do the same if he wants Spurs to be taken seriously.
Quote from: trailer on March 22, 2023, 12:18:08 PM
Gary Nev absolutely vindicated in saying Conte wasn't right for Utd.
If I was Levy I would show him the door and tell him he can sign for severance pay. Put him out on his arse on a gross misconduct charge.
What he said was right. Spurs have been playing on/off all season
Some miss by grealish for England.
Maguire, Grealish have allowed Italy back into the game. Walker starting, have they ignored his recent bar incident playing helicopter with his lad?
England players surrounding the ref and not a word from the commentators
Kane heading it
Kane gets away with murder.
He doesn't know which part of his body to hold when he goes down. He's honestly one of the biggest divers I have ever seen but he is very clever about it.
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on March 23, 2023, 09:29:01 PM
England players surrounding the ref and not a word from the commentators
Kane heading it
straight reds for that shite. Soon stop it!
Conte has left the building.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/2023/03/27/five-contenders-to-replace-antonio-conte-at-tottenham-after-italian-manager-left-club/
Brodge and Potter in the one day. Crazy.
Soap opera for men this oul soccerball
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on April 02, 2023, 08:18:11 PM
Brodge and Potter in the one day. Crazy.
Soap opera for men this oul soccerball
If the Brentford's, the Bournemouth's or the Brighton's are doing well it means a few of the more established clubs have to suffer!
£81m Potter has cost Chelsea.. £21m as comp to Brighton then £60m to payout the remainder of his contract... Nice work if you can get it
Jaysus....
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on April 02, 2023, 08:18:11 PM
Brodge and Potter in the one day. Crazy.
Soap opera for men this oul soccerball
It was only a matter of time with Rodgers. He seems to have a shelf life of only 2-3 year at each club
Hardly surprising about Potter either. I always thought him going to Chelsea was a bad move . Like Moyes to United , was never going to end well. Shame , because he did well with Brighton, he now has to rebuild his reputation again elsewhere
Nagelsmann to Chelsea
Rodgers to Spurs
Potter to Leicester
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on April 02, 2023, 08:18:11 PM
Brodge and Potter in the one day. Crazy.
Soap opera for men this oul soccerball
Not sure how Rodgers lasted as long as he did. Roman Abramovich gone from Chelsea yet still no patience with new managers Nagelsmann next if he wants another short term manager role.
Rodgers is a championship manager at best just like Mick McCarthy.
Quote from: Piskin on April 02, 2023, 10:07:07 PM
Rodgers is a championship manager at best just like Mick McCarthy.
How many years should a manager have to get teams performing adequately or better in the PL to prove himself above being a "championship manager at best"?
Quote from: thewobbler on April 02, 2023, 10:12:53 PM
Quote from: Piskin on April 02, 2023, 10:07:07 PM
Rodgers is a championship manager at best just like Mick McCarthy.
How many years should a manager have to get teams performing adequately or better in the PL to prove himself above being a "championship manager at best"?
Depends really...but Rodgers is not up to scratch in todays game. Did well at Celtic and should have stayed there. A poor mans David Moyes really.
Quote from: Piskin on April 02, 2023, 10:07:07 PM
Rodgers is a championship manager at best just like Mick McCarthy.
Christ he won an FA Cup..more than the much lauded Poch!! Leicester owners didn't exactly back him in the transfer market of late.
I was hoping Potter would still be in charge for the Liverpool game. I wonder who will be in charge for that?
Quote from: Capt Pat on April 02, 2023, 11:27:43 PM
I was hoping Potter would still be in charge for the Liverpool game. I wonder who will be in charge for that?
Naggelsman favourite for the job
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 02, 2023, 10:50:46 PM
Quote from: Piskin on April 02, 2023, 10:07:07 PM
Rodgers is a championship manager at best just like Mick McCarthy.
Christ he won an FA Cup..more than the much lauded Poch!! Leicester owners didn't exactly back him in the transfer market of late.
Spent over 70 million on players he wanted, spent 18 months trying to get Vestergaard and then benched him and froze him out after a handful of games. Froze Soyunco for no reason. Celtic was his level and as I said he should have stayed there. No top club would touch him now.
I see poor aul Graham Potter was bought too many expensive players...surely taking the job he knew that he had no say in the transfers but like it's not like he had a load of duds.
Then you look at how much better Brighton are now in attack. So I ask is Potter that good? When you look at Howe, his squad is actually middlin' enough overall, but he is bringing them all on.
Quote from: Piskin on April 03, 2023, 03:32:43 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 02, 2023, 10:50:46 PM
Quote from: Piskin on April 02, 2023, 10:07:07 PM
Rodgers is a championship manager at best just like Mick McCarthy.
Christ he won an FA Cup..more than the much lauded Poch!! Leicester owners didn't exactly back him in the transfer market of late.
Spent over 70 million on players he wanted, spent 18 months trying to get Vestergaard and then benched him and froze him out after a handful of games. Froze Soyunco for no reason. Celtic was his level and as I said he should have stayed there. No top club would touch him now.
He'll get a job.
Like GAA managers, regardless of how they do, they seem to get another gig.
I see Roy H is back with Palace.
Quote from: marty34 on April 03, 2023, 05:14:09 PM
Quote from: Piskin on April 03, 2023, 03:32:43 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 02, 2023, 10:50:46 PM
Quote from: Piskin on April 02, 2023, 10:07:07 PM
Rodgers is a championship manager at best just like Mick McCarthy.
Christ he won an FA Cup..more than the much lauded Poch!! Leicester owners didn't exactly back him in the transfer market of late.
Spent over 70 million on players he wanted, spent 18 months trying to get Vestergaard and then benched him and froze him out after a handful of games. Froze Soyunco for no reason. Celtic was his level and as I said he should have stayed there. No top club would touch him now.
He'll get a job.
Like GAA managers, regardless of how they do, they seem to get another gig.
I see Roy H is back with Palace.
Roy is 76 in August. Don't even think Miko lasted to that age in Management.
Allegedly Potter is to receive around 80 million for his 7 months at Chelsea. I think I'd retire.
Quote from: CK_Redhand on April 03, 2023, 10:13:09 PM
Allegedly Potter is to receive around 80 million for his 7 months at Chelsea. I think I'd retire.
£60m.. £21m Chelsea paid to Brighton to get him as manager.. On top of that if they appointment Nagglesman they have to pay Bayern compensation
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 03, 2023, 08:39:05 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 03, 2023, 05:14:09 PM
Quote from: Piskin on April 03, 2023, 03:32:43 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 02, 2023, 10:50:46 PM
Quote from: Piskin on April 02, 2023, 10:07:07 PM
Rodgers is a championship manager at best just like Mick McCarthy.
Christ he won an FA Cup..more than the much lauded Poch!! Leicester owners didn't exactly back him in the transfer market of late.
Spent over 70 million on players he wanted, spent 18 months trying to get Vestergaard and then benched him and froze him out after a handful of games. Froze Soyunco for no reason. Celtic was his level and as I said he should have stayed there. No top club would touch him now.
He'll get a job.
Like GAA managers, regardless of how they do, they seem to get another gig.
I see Roy H is back with Palace.
Roy is 76 in August. Don't even think Miko lasted to that age in Management.
I know. All managers, whether soccer or gaa, just seem to do the rounds.
Move from one gig to the next. It's a results' business - no good, then out the door.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 03, 2023, 08:39:05 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 03, 2023, 05:14:09 PM
Quote from: Piskin on April 03, 2023, 03:32:43 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 02, 2023, 10:50:46 PM
Quote from: Piskin on April 02, 2023, 10:07:07 PM
Rodgers is a championship manager at best just like Mick McCarthy.
Christ he won an FA Cup..more than the much lauded Poch!! Leicester owners didn't exactly back him in the transfer market of late.
Spent over 70 million on players he wanted, spent 18 months trying to get Vestergaard and then benched him and froze him out after a handful of games. Froze Soyunco for no reason. Celtic was his level and as I said he should have stayed there. No top club would touch him now.
He'll get a job.
Like GAA managers, regardless of how they do, they seem to get another gig.
I see Roy H is back with Palace.
Roy is 76 in August. Don't even think Miko lasted to that age in Management.
Micko would have been around 76 when managed Clare.
Quote from: Gael85 on April 03, 2023, 10:54:06 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 03, 2023, 08:39:05 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 03, 2023, 05:14:09 PM
Quote from: Piskin on April 03, 2023, 03:32:43 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 02, 2023, 10:50:46 PM
Quote from: Piskin on April 02, 2023, 10:07:07 PM
Rodgers is a championship manager at best just like Mick McCarthy.
Christ he won an FA Cup..more than the much lauded Poch!! Leicester owners didn't exactly back him in the transfer market of late.
Spent over 70 million on players he wanted, spent 18 months trying to get Vestergaard and then benched him and froze him out after a handful of games. Froze Soyunco for no reason. Celtic was his level and as I said he should have stayed there. No top club would touch him now.
He'll get a job.
Like GAA managers, regardless of how they do, they seem to get another gig.
I see Roy H is back with Palace.
Roy is 76 in August. Don't even think Miko lasted to that age in Management.
Micko would have been around 76 when managed Clare.
There you go. I have to say, I remember he was struggling at the time. And he looked more like a figurehead than the Huge character he was with counties he was involved with in his earlier career.
Biggest game tonight relegation playoff Leeds v Forrest, losers will struggle
Chelsea game will be interesting have went for Felix and captain chaos to have at least one shot on target 5/2! Fill your boots
Ferguson scores for Brighton
and
https://www.bbc.com/sport/live/football/64733501
Posted at 21:3021:30
Chelsea 0-0 Liverpool
Frank Lampard is watching from the stands. Bruno Saltor is Chelsea's third manager (including interims) since Lampard left.
Big result for Leeds and awful result for leicester.
All the results went Everton's way tonight.
(https://scontent.fdub7-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/339743930_3438494529740605_5348965654808476194_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=HmEe8tfCmVYAX8aOszw&_nc_ht=scontent.fdub7-1.fna&oh=00_AfDUYe3mwcrM-2YU71Hd-HU6sDjDCN850c8Muln3mPR22Q&oe=64319101)
Emery doing a fantastic job at Villa at the minute. Lightyears away from how Gerrard had them playing.
Some relegation battle going on, not easy to pick the three that will go down.
(https://i.ibb.co/km7yc8k/Screenshot-20230405-134300-2.png) (https://ibb.co/xFks5jP)
3 from the bottom 4 I think
Quote from: seafoid on April 05, 2023, 02:30:54 PM
3 from the bottom 4 I think
Southampton, Forest, and Bournemouth.
Frank Lampard back in as Chelsea interim. One for the WTF thread also.
Can Moyes survive that? Wouldn't be surprised if he's next to go. Steve cooper under pressure to survive at forest as well
Cooper given the dreaded vote of no confidence. I was thinking the same about moyes. Goalie gave away a brutal one.
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on April 05, 2023, 07:22:06 PM
Frank Lampard back in as Chelsea interim. One for the WTF thread also.
How do these failures keep getting top jobs?
Isn't Ten Hag something like 9th longest serving manager in the league at this stage? Madness
Quote from: clarshack on April 05, 2023, 10:22:19 PM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on April 05, 2023, 07:22:06 PM
Frank Lampard back in as Chelsea interim. One for the WTF thread also.
How do these failures keep getting top jobs?
I really don't understand that one at all. I was shocked to see his cousin Jamie Redknapp to say on Sky Sports it was a no brainier of a decision by Chelsea to bring him in.
Quote from: square_ball on April 05, 2023, 10:37:29 PM
Quote from: clarshack on April 05, 2023, 10:22:19 PM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on April 05, 2023, 07:22:06 PM
Frank Lampard back in as Chelsea interim. One for the WTF thread also.
How do these failures keep getting top jobs?
I really don't understand that one at all. I was shocked to see his cousin Jamie Redknapp to say on Sky Sports it was a no brainier of a decision by Chelsea to bring him in.
It's a sort of quick fix thing! Potter was sacked to show publicly that Chelsea are looking for a Manager and Lampard is appointed because he knows the club and can do the day to day running of the Club and still show that Chelsea are looking for a Manager.
Quote from: square_ball on April 05, 2023, 10:37:29 PM
Quote from: clarshack on April 05, 2023, 10:22:19 PM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on April 05, 2023, 07:22:06 PM
Frank Lampard back in as Chelsea interim. One for the WTF thread also.
How do these failures keep getting top jobs?
I really don't understand that one at all. I was shocked to see his cousin Jamie Redknapp to say on Sky Sports it was a no brainier of a decision by Chelsea to bring him in.
Or not using their brains. Bizarre decision.
Bit mad indeed.
Imagine getting the boot from a club and then being asked, and agreeing to go back in again.
Think of it in your own work place. Crazy stuff.
Soccer managers are a different breed.
I can actually see a scenario where he wins a few games and there will be a clamour from his mates in the media to give him the job full time next season.
Leicester are in serious trouble. Vardy can't score and Bournemouth have beaten them. Anything to do with Wagatha Christie ?
Quote from: seafoid on April 08, 2023, 05:05:10 PM
Leicester are in serious trouble. Vardy can't score and Bournemouth have beaten them. Anything to do with Wagatha Christie ?
Leicester play fellow strugglers Wolves, Leeds, Everton, over the next couple of weeks.
Leics be grand, Jesse Marsch is on the way.....
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 08, 2023, 05:59:41 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 08, 2023, 05:05:10 PM
Leicester are in serious trouble. Vardy can't score and Bournemouth have beaten them. Anything to do with Wagatha Christie ?
Leicester play fellow strugglers Wolves, Leeds, Everton, over the next couple of weeks.
Except none of them are struggling as much as Leicester
Lampard knows the club...
https://twitter.com/Exploding_Heads/status/1643743970017824768?t=RzzTKwdHWgYM1baRJLRidQ&s=19
Arsenal a great team to watch but some of their diving, time wasting and whining is ridiculous.
Quote from: jcpen on April 09, 2023, 05:15:48 PM
Arsenal a great team to watch but some of their diving, time wasting and whining is ridiculous.
f**k me watch every match we've played this year that's what we've had to put up with against us... Xhaka clown got Liverpool fans up and ready for the match. Would have took a point before the game, Ramsdale man of the match
Quote from: jcpen on April 09, 2023, 05:15:48 PM
Arsenal a great team to watch but some of their diving, time wasting and whining is ridiculous.
Highlight was that w**ker Robertson getting a slap from the linesman
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 09, 2023, 06:40:00 PM
Quote from: jcpen on April 09, 2023, 05:15:48 PM
Arsenal a great team to watch but some of their diving, time wasting and whining is ridiculous.
Highlight was that w**ker Robertson getting a slap from the linesman
Why didn't he go down and roll on the floor like they all do ?
Quote from: Jim Bob on April 09, 2023, 07:45:21 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 09, 2023, 06:40:00 PM
Quote from: jcpen on April 09, 2023, 05:15:48 PM
Arsenal a great team to watch but some of their diving, time wasting and whining is ridiculous.
Highlight was that w**ker Robertson getting a slap from the linesman
Why didn't he go down and roll on the floor like they all do ?
Cos he's a big hard man that supports the sellick dun he
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 09, 2023, 06:40:00 PM
Quote from: jcpen on April 09, 2023, 05:15:48 PM
Arsenal a great team to watch but some of their diving, time wasting and whining is ridiculous.
Highlight was that w**ker Robertson getting a slap from the linesman
He thinks you're a w**ker also.
The self-doubt meter has gone up a few notches around Arsenal. That's a big slip.
It was a decent result for Arsenal today. You can't win them all. The big game is when Arsenal go to city in a few weeks. If Arsenal win or draw that they will nearly be home.
I expected City with Haaland to run away with it this year. It hasn't been like that at all.
Quote from: jcpen on April 09, 2023, 07:49:07 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 09, 2023, 06:40:00 PM
Quote from: jcpen on April 09, 2023, 05:15:48 PM
Arsenal a great team to watch but some of their diving, time wasting and whining is ridiculous.
Highlight was that w**ker Robertson getting a slap from the linesman
He thinks you're a w**ker also.
Tell him I was asking for him
Arsenal still have to play Man City and Newcastle.
https://twitter.com/projectfootball/status/1645136846081478659?s=46&t=rlIqFd0jyHOkj66mYEMewA (https://twitter.com/projectfootball/status/1645136846081478659?s=46&t=rlIqFd0jyHOkj66mYEMewA)
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on April 09, 2023, 01:05:45 AM
Lampard knows the club...
https://twitter.com/Exploding_Heads/status/1643743970017824768?t=RzzTKwdHWgYM1baRJLRidQ&s=19
Chelsea should have brought in Hodgson.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on April 08, 2023, 06:09:26 PM
Leics be grand, Jesse Marsch is on the way.....
From Marsch to Dean Smith..
Edit - rafa in talks too. I know who id rather have but ill stop now 😃
Leeds have had an absolute shocker here:
https://theathletic.com/4398351/2023/04/10/leeds-united-jean-kevin-augustin-contract/?amp=1
Aston Villa 3-0 winners against 3rd place Newcastle today, Would have likely got the opposite result if Steven Gerrard was still manager, Unai Emery a clear upgrade.
I think he's came in and shown that he is a level above the likes of Gerrard and Beale.
The proper football men in England won't be happy one of those foreigns have come in and shown up an English manager.
He has done a fabulous job
Great result for Bournemouth away to Tottenham. Poor result for Everton at home to Fulham.
Great results for Utd!! They'll need them considering they'll have to play own goal Maguire!
What about oul Roy Hodgson.
Quote from: ONeill on April 15, 2023, 08:59:19 PM
What about oul Roy Hodgson.
Unreal. And he is oul like, 70 what ?
They sacked Viera when they were in relegation trouble
Now they're 3 point behind Chelsea
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 15, 2023, 06:06:29 PM
Great results for Utd!! They'll need them considering they'll have to play own goal Maguire!
Any news on Varane/Shaw? Take it Martinez is out for the foreseeable ffs. Is Lindelof fit?
Could Rio Ferdinand come out of retirement? Anything is better than slab head.
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on April 15, 2023, 09:23:09 PM
Quote from: ONeill on April 15, 2023, 08:59:19 PM
What about oul Roy Hodgson.
Unreal. And he is oul like, 70 what ?
They sacked Viera when they were in relegation trouble
Now they're 3 point behind Chelsea
Wouldn't make much of that.. Paddy V had a tough run of games against Top 10 teams Roy is playing teams lower in the league.
Watched some highlights of the Chelsea game over dinner, God Ferguson is a player - Looked very sharp hopefully injury he went off with isn't serious
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Quote from: Hoof Hearted on April 15, 2023, 09:23:09 PM
Quote from: ONeill on April 15, 2023, 08:59:19 PM
What about oul Roy Hodgson.
Unreal. And he is oul like, 70 what ?
They sacked Viera when they were in relegation trouble
Now they're 3 point behind Chelsea
Wouldn't make much of that.. Paddy V had a tough run of games against Top 10 teams Roy is playing teams lower in the league.
Watched some highlights of the Chelsea game over dinner, God Ferguson is a player - Looked very sharp hopefully injury he went off with isn't serious
It wasn't so long ago our big hope up front was Troy Parrott ffs! Ferguson looks a player alright. Another few years at Brighton they way they are going will do him the world of good.
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Great results for Utd!! They'll need them considering they'll have to play own goal Maguire!
Any news on Varane/Shaw? Take it Martinez is out for the foreseeable ffs. Is Lindelof fit?
Could Rio Ferdinand come out of retirement? Anything is better than slab head.
Bring bag big Phil Jones ::)
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 15, 2023, 10:10:00 PM
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on April 15, 2023, 09:23:09 PM
Quote from: ONeill on April 15, 2023, 08:59:19 PM
What about oul Roy Hodgson.
Unreal. And he is oul like, 70 what ?
They sacked Viera when they were in relegation trouble
Now they're 3 point behind Chelsea
Wouldn't make much of that.. Paddy V had a tough run of games against Top 10 teams Roy is playing teams lower in the league.
Watched some highlights of the Chelsea game over dinner, God Ferguson is a player - Looked very sharp hopefully injury he went off with isn't serious
What did you have for dinner?
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 15, 2023, 06:06:29 PM
Great results for Utd!! They'll need them considering they'll have to play own goal Maguire!
Any news on Varane/Shaw? Take it Martinez is out for the foreseeable ffs. Is Lindelof fit?
Could Rio Ferdinand come out of retirement? Anything is better than slab head.
Bring bag big Phil Jones ::)
He did rightly in the one game he played last year. Pity he's made of glass
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 15, 2023, 05:16:07 PM
Great result for Bournemouth away to Tottenham. Poor result for Everton at home to Fulham.
Bournemouth have won 3 of their last 5 and have great momentum.
The worst form is with the bottom 3, Brentford and Chelsea
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 15, 2023, 06:06:29 PM
Great results for Utd!! They'll need them considering they'll have to play own goal Maguire!
Any news on Varane/Shaw? Take it Martinez is out for the foreseeable ffs. Is Lindelof fit?
Could Rio Ferdinand come out of retirement? Anything is better than slab head.
Bring bag big Phil Jones ::)
He did rightly in the one game he played last year. Pity he's made of glass
He was shite and was at fault for the goal. He's and embarrassment
2nd weekend in a row that Arsenal let a 2-0 lead slip to draw 2-2. Today Sake missed a penalty and West Ham levelled it up shortly after. Squeaky bum time at the top of the table now.
Very sloppy from Arsenal
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 16, 2023, 03:58:06 PM
2nd weekend in a row that Arsenal let a 2-0 lead slip to draw 2-2. Today Sake missed a penalty and West Ham levelled it up shortly after. Squeaky bum time at the top of the table now.
League over. Expect City to cruise to it now. Arsenal were never going to win it missing Saliba. Holding a championship level player. Tierney a massive step down in quality too.
That's that then. Can't see city blowing it now . I expect them to win all their remaining games . Brighton away would be the trickiest game . But even a draw there should do it for them
Arsenal have Southampton in before the City game. That should help them steady the ship.
Sure Arsenal win their games and draw with City they be fine.
That's two games in a row that they have thrown away a 2 goal lead. The has to play on their minds in the games coming up.
Major pressure on both teams really, one slip up could prove drastic. Pep has been here before so I think City will win it.
Jamie trying to defend that handball by Trent ;D ;D
Frank is on a roll.
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Man city have been in Wembley 24 times since 2010.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 22, 2023, 12:21:02 PM
Man city have been in Wembley 24 times since 2010.
More than the Dubs at Croker ;D
Leeds keeper proving again that he is the worst first choice keeper in the division unfortunately
Quote from: Hound on April 22, 2023, 02:01:25 PM
Leeds keeper proving again that he is the worst first choice keeper in the division unfortunately
David pushing him for that slot lately lol
Ewan mackenna would say different also 😉
The best players combined with these two would still get hammered by City
Penalty shootout coming by the look of it. Compensation for a poor game.
Brighton very nervy throughout. Probably played the better football, but once they got in and around the box panic set in.
Brighton should have won that game. Missed Ferguson bigtime today
Ferguson signs on with Brighton. If the manager stays and they hang on to a few lads it's a great place for him.
MacAllister will move I'd say. Caiceido too but others always seem ready.
Ferguson has good advisors. Imagine how much he will be worth at 23.
Huge match just kicked off between Leeds and Leicester
Quote from: seafoid on April 25, 2023, 08:05:48 PM
Ferguson has good advisors. Imagine how much he will be worth at 23.
Huge match just kicked off between Leeds and Leicester
Good call by Ferguson and the club, get him signed up protect their investment and give him a chance to play first team high level football.
The other two lads will likely go, but will probably bring in another 100 - 120m odd. Good set up all round.
They couldn't save a penalty on sunday, but 10 minutes in against Forrest Brighton save a penalty.
Arsenal getting battered but it's still only 1-0.
Man City have the most expensive squad. Money talks.
If Arsenal hadn't dropped 6 points in their last 3 matches they could have absorbed this loss.
3-0 now, it's men v boys.
Forest are beating Brighton 3-1 so they are out of the drop zone
Quote from: clarshack on April 26, 2023, 09:19:17 PM
3-0 now, it's men v boys.
It's Multimillionaires v Millionaires!
BBC
Man City 3-0 Arsenal
Clearly, this is great for City and sickening for Arsenal, but it's also a shame for us neutrals. The billing had this as a blood and thunder title battle between the best two sides in the league but it's been too one-sided to be gripping.
City best team in league by far, followed by Liverpool. Arsenal improving but long way to go!
Haaland has scored 33 EPL goals, more than Chelsea.
Routine win for Manchester City, excepted with Arsenal's recent form. The idea that their Europa league exit would prove a blessing in disguise was far fetched.
Other end of the table is more interesting. A big win for Nottingham Forest.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 26, 2023, 09:59:52 PM
Routine win for Manchester City, excepted with Arsenal's recent form. The idea that their Europa league exit would prove a blessing in disguise was far fetched.
Other end of the table is more interesting. A big win for Nottingham Forest.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 26, 2023, 09:42:05 PM
City best team in league by far, followed by Liverpool. Arsenal improving but long way to go!
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Poor auld lampard won't be getting many jobs after this.
Saliba injury was major for Arsenal plus hard to compete with over a 100 charges of cheating City.
AFTV should be good watching for the rest of youse tonight.. At Least Down won Ulster tonight ease the pain of watching that shite from Arsenal
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 26, 2023, 09:59:52 PM
Routine win for Manchester City, excepted with Arsenal's recent form. The idea that their Europa league exit would prove a blessing in disguise was far fetched.
Other end of the table is more interesting. A big win for Nottingham Forest.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 26, 2023, 09:42:05 PM
City best team in league by far, followed by Liverpool. Arsenal improving but long way to go!
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Still think 2nd best team in the league. Few tweaks and they'll be back in the mix. P.S not a pool fan
Many English fans used to deride the uncompetitive nature of German, Spanish, French Leagues etc. People need to wake up to what is happening in England. Man City have dominated English football for the best part of a decade but very few want to ask how it happened. The same will happen with Newcastle whose owners vast wealth dwarf that of the UAE. It's completely soulless.
I only heard the other day that Man City are still on for the same treble as united won in 1999. Is it just Me or is there a bit of a 'meh' attitude about this possible achievement?
I remember the 1999 treble, every game was huge. Maybe I just don't care as much now, or maybe it's also because I don't support city.
But what are your thoughts?
Has the Saudi money ruined things? Or is there a hint of inevitability about city doing the treble that people just have accepted?
Quote from: AustinPowers on April 26, 2023, 10:43:46 PM
I only heard the other day that Man City are still on for the same treble as united won in 1999. Is it just Me or is there a bit of a 'meh' attitude about this possible achievement?
I remember the 1999 treble, every game was huge. Maybe I just don't care as much now, or maybe it's also because I don't support city.
But what are your thoughts?
Has the Saudi money ruined things? Or is there a hint of inevitability about city doing the treble that people just have accepted?
If theres any soul left in the game at all, Madrid and United, the 2 biggest clubs in the world will stop that shower.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 26, 2023, 10:36:13 PM
Many English fans used to deride the uncompetitive nature of German, Spanish, French Leagues etc. People need to wake up to what is happening in England. Man City have dominated English football for the best part of a decade but very few want to ask how it happened. The same will happen with Newcastle whose owners vast wealth dwarf that of the UAE. It's completely soulless.
Twitter this season is falling over with Liverpool, United, Arsenal, Spurs fans proclaiming that their club just needs 2-3 more world class players and they'll be right there with City, and that their respective boards are penny pinching blowhards with no interest in football.
The reality is that none of these sides needs a massive injection of talent. What they all need is for City to stop injecting themselves with a new batch of high end talent at every turn.
That's what's wrong with football, and not the boards of the clubs the next rung down. Football fans need to open their eyes and vent their protests in the correct direction.
What everyone else needs is Guardiola to leave
He's the difference. City had money before he came in and never dominated like this
Lots of clubs have spent hundreds of millions and are nowhere near the top of the table.
If you go by net spend (which Liverpool fans preached about for years) City are one of the lowest in the league over the last five years
Chelsea and Man United have spent billions and can't get near a title
Takes more than money
Quote from: maldini on April 26, 2023, 11:06:18 PM
What everyone else needs is Guardiola to leave
He's the difference. City had money before he came in and never dominated like this
Lots of clubs have spent hundreds of millions and are nowhere near the top of the table.
If you go by net spend (which Liverpool fans preached about for years) City are one of the lowest in the league over the last five years
Chelsea and Man United have spent billions and can't get near a title
Takes more than money
While the Arab oil money is abhorrent and ruining the game it's a bit rich clubs like Real/Barca/Man Utd being the moral compass of the game when they're as guilty as the next club for spending exorbitant amounts of cash.
The amount of money the Glazers have spent on players recently is ridiculous it's the management of the club that's the problem some totally agree with what you've said above.
If football is to be fixed then FIFA need a salary cap for the top leagues in the world but there's absolutely zero chance of that happening!
Until then we can look forward to a strong getting stronger scenario as we have a t the minute.
Club generated money spent or blowing away their revenue is one thing however Manchester City a run of the mill club basically won the lottery when the Arabs chose them. Newcastle are the same and success will follow in the years ahead. Had Arsenal won the league this season and Liverpool winning it in 2020 was interesting for neutrals and rival supporters. Any more success for Manchester City and Newcastle's to come for people that don't supporter them will be a bit ‘meh’ no matter how much SKY Sports and others try to hype it up.
Quote from: AustinPowers on April 26, 2023, 10:43:46 PM
I only heard the other day that Man City are still on for the same treble as united won in 1999. Is it just Me or is there a bit of a 'meh' attitude about this possible achievement?
I remember the 1999 treble, every game was huge. Maybe I just don't care as much now, or maybe it's also because I don't support city.
But what are your thoughts?
Has the Saudi money ruined things? Or is there a hint of inevitability about city doing the treble that people just have accepted?
Think it is something to do with United's quadruple attempt now being finished, so the media can finally move on to city's treble bid
Quote from: gawa316 on April 27, 2023, 12:39:00 AM
Quote from: AustinPowers on April 26, 2023, 10:43:46 PM
I only heard the other day that Man City are still on for the same treble as united won in 1999. Is it just Me or is there a bit of a 'meh' attitude about this possible achievement?
I remember the 1999 treble, every game was huge. Maybe I just don't care as much now, or maybe it's also because I don't support city.
But what are your thoughts?
Has the Saudi money ruined things? Or is there a hint of inevitability about city doing the treble that people just have accepted?
Think it is something to do with United's quadruple attempt now being finished, so the media can finally move on to city's treble bid
Is the treble mathematical possible?
I think Evertons time is up in the Premier League. I just don't see where they are getting the points they need to stay up. Southampton as well. Then one from Leicester, Forest and Leeds.
Quote from: square_ball on April 27, 2023, 09:37:59 PM
I think Evertons time is up in the Premier League. I just don't see where they are getting the points they need to stay up. Southampton as well. Then one from Leicester, Forest and Leeds.
It looks like that.
Evertons remaining games are: Leicester(2-0), Brighton(4-1), Man City(1-1), Wolves(2-1), Bournemouth(0-3).
Previous seasons results in Brackets - all losses except for v Man City!
Isak dribbled past about 7 Everton players to assist Murphy for his goal (Of those 7 think he beat 2 of them twice). They look dead and buried - Between Leicester and Leeds for 3rd relegations spot for me. Saints and Everton gone imo
Arsenal, Everton, Liverpool, Man Utd and Spurs have been ever present in the top flight since i started watch English football in the late 70's!
Everton will surely be fcuked off the pitch if they are relegated. Shiny new stadium to pay for and no Premier League football.
I still dunno. Leics match crucial obvs.
But they play wolves and bournemouth when they likely have nothing to play for. Could 6 points do it? Maybe not...but if they bate Leics..
Arsenal and Everton the longest running teams in top Division methinks
The way this relegation dogfight has gone. Everton could easily win their next game and they are out of the bottom 3.
Frank Lampard has successfully put two clubs in the relegation frame this season, quite the achievement by the press's favourite English manager.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 27, 2023, 10:29:17 PM
Arsenal, Everton, Liverpool, Man Utd and Spurs have been ever present in the top flight since i started watch English football in the late 70's!
I think Everton have had the longest spell in the top flight
Bournemouth have been very impressive. They were in the bottom 3 but won 3 matches in their last 5 and look safe now.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on April 27, 2023, 11:59:08 PM
The way this relegation dogfight has gone. Everton could easily win their next game and they are out of the bottom 3.
Frank Lampard has successfully put two clubs in the relegation frame this season, quite the achievement by the press's favourite English manager.
That's the issue. They haven't looked like winning any games recently. But you're right that one or two wins and the whole thing looks totally different.
Lampard is totally out of his depth. Getting a free pass about it from the media.
Quote from: seafoid on April 28, 2023, 07:46:30 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 27, 2023, 10:29:17 PM
Arsenal, Everton, Liverpool, Man Utd and Spurs have been ever present in the top flight since i started watch English football in the late 70's!
I think Everton have had the longest spell in the top flight
Bournemouth have been very impressive. They were in the bottom 3 but won 3 matches in their last 5 and look safe now.
As an Everton fan for many years I think they're relegated and with the current team there's no guarantee's they'd come back up any time soon.
They don't have the players to create chances with the amount of ball they have, easy to defend against, DCL had a good chance, was off balance when pulling the trigger, the other just offside, but offside nonetheless. The goal went straight in from a corner.
The defensive cornerstone that was allowing them to pick up the odd point is gone, torn to shreds, Fulham grabbed 3, Newcastle 4, and could have been much more.
Pickford, Onana and DCL will go in the summer, time they built on the young guns, Branthwaite is showing good stuff on loan, but there's interest from bigger clubs, Simms shows signs although a bit lazy for my liking but Moshiri's reign has been an abject disaster.
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Quote from: From the Bunker on April 27, 2023, 10:29:17 PM
Arsenal, Everton, Liverpool, Man Utd and Spurs have been ever present in the top flight since i started watch English football in the late 70's!
I think Everton have had the longest spell in the top flight
Bournemouth have been very impressive. They were in the bottom 3 but won 3 matches in their last 5 and look safe now.
As an Everton fan for many years I think they're relegated and with the current team there's no guarantee's they'd come back up any time soon.
They don't have the players to create chances with the amount of ball they have, easy to defend against, DCL had a good chance, was off balance when pulling the trigger, the other just offside, but offside nonetheless. The goal went straight in from a corner.
The defensive cornerstone that was allowing them to pick up the odd point is gone, torn to shreds, Fulham grabbed 3, Newcastle 4, and could have been much more.
Pickford, Onana and DCL will go in the summer, time they built on the young guns, Branthwaite is showing good stuff on loan, but there's interest from bigger clubs, Simms shows signs although a bit lazy for my liking but Moshiri's reign has been an abject disaster.
They need a new owner. They would still have big attendances. I wouldn't expect it to be long stay
Not looking good for the Toffees.
Poor running of the club off the pitch, terrible management appointments and brutal player recruitment for the past 10 years is finally catching up
Quite the game in the lunchtime kickoff.
3-2 after 35mins!
Palace above Chelsea...Woy doing quite the job
Klopp pulling the hammer going at the 4th official! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Souness and Stelling both retiring/leaving from Sky Sports.. Bit of an end of an era
Quote from: GJL on April 30, 2023, 06:29:53 PM
Klopp pulling the hammer going at the 4th official! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
His behaviour was disgraceful.
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 30, 2023, 09:13:40 PM
Souness and Stelling both retiring/leaving from Sky Sports.. Bit of an end of an era
Souness was a really god pundit
Leicester 2 Everton 1 in the relegation six pointer at half time tonight. Could be worse for Everton but for Pickford saving a penalty before the break. Bad news for them is a likely Long term injury for Séamus Coleman as was carried off on a stretcher.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 01, 2023, 08:57:56 PM
Leicester 2 Everton 1 in the relegation six pointer at half time tonight. Could be worse for Everton but for Pickford saving a penalty before the break. Bad news for them is a likely Long term injury for Séamus Coleman as was carried off on a stretcher.
Could be a career ender. Looked like a bad leg break. Poor guy.
Horrible looking injury. Hope he makes a speedy recovery.
Quote from: mrdeeds on May 01, 2023, 09:07:53 PM
Horrible looking injury. Hope he makes a speedy recovery.
At his age? No chance. I think that's a career ending injury
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Quote from: mrdeeds on May 01, 2023, 09:07:53 PM
Horrible looking injury. Hope he makes a speedy recovery.
At his age? No chance. I think that's a career ending injury
I meant in general not just for his career. Yeah looks like a career ender for sure.
Championship standard match this... Also Pickfords a hateful p***k
Tense
With the bottom 5, there is a sense of clubs running out of games rather than teams digging themselves out of this situation with wins.
Southampton. 1/66.
Leeds. 8/15.
Everton. 8/13.
Nottingham Forest. 8/11.
Leicester. 2/1.
West Ham. 33/1.
Chelsea. 250/1.
Wolves. 250/1.
35 got teams relegated in 21/22
28 in 20/21
34 in 19/20
34 in 18/19
33 in 17/18
34 in 16/17
37 in 15/16
35 in 14/15
Think it's between forest and Everton for the last spot. Leeds are in free fall.
Quote from: gawa316 on May 02, 2023, 12:30:59 AM
Think it's between forest and Everton for the last spot. Leeds are in free fall.
Forest are the only team in the bottom 5 with a game v Southampton.
Big Sam for Leeds?!
What a shambles....
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 02, 2023, 10:02:47 AM
Big Sam for Leeds?!
What a shambles....
They might as well imo. Have no chance with Gracia anyway so might as well go for it. Their last 4 games aren't pretty though.
Everton may actually get out of danger if they keep playing like they did last night. They can forget about the next 2 games (Brighton and City), but they may pick up points from their last 2 games against teams on the beach.
6 from 6 for Frank now...
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 02, 2023, 09:54:39 PM
6 from 6 for Frank now...
Frank Lampard Last 20 Games as manager : 1W 2D 17L
Surely he's not employable after this? I think six league but maybe fa cup or champions league another.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 02, 2023, 10:18:13 PM
Surely he's not employable after this? I think six league but maybe fa cup or champions league another.
You would think so...maybe drop down a division but then would he get the paycheck he would want?
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Quote from: imtommygunn on May 02, 2023, 10:18:13 PM
Surely he's not employable after this? I think six league but maybe fa cup or champions league another.
You would think so...maybe drop down a division but then would he get the paycheck he would want?
You think he needs a decent paycheque? Probably needs to try out being a pundit
Has lost 17 out of last 20 matches....
If top top bloke Lamps dropped a division he'd be shown up, unless Chelsea were willing to loan out serious young payers again.
All the poor Potter shite talk and you look at the team sheet. No excuse to be playing THAT badly.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on May 03, 2023, 09:30:28 AM
If top top bloke Lamps dropped a division he'd be shown up, unless Chelsea were willing to loan out serious young payers again.
All the poor Potter shite talk and you look at the team sheet. No excuse to be playing THAT badly.
Tbf he had a decent record at derby.
Saying that, I just don't think he has what it takes to be a Premier league manager. He is living on name and playing reputation
Quote from: smort on May 03, 2023, 09:52:44 AM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on May 03, 2023, 09:30:28 AM
If top top bloke Lamps dropped a division he'd be shown up, unless Chelsea were willing to loan out serious young payers again.
All the poor Potter shite talk and you look at the team sheet. No excuse to be playing THAT badly.
Tbf he had a decent record at derby.
Saying that, I just don't think he has what it takes to be a Premier league manager. He is living on name and playing reputation
It was just ok. And his team included the likes of Mount and Tomori who were well above that level.
Garry Neville was completely laughed out of management forever and the same should happen here.
Quote from: smort on May 03, 2023, 09:52:44 AM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on May 03, 2023, 09:30:28 AM
If top top bloke Lamps dropped a division he'd be shown up, unless Chelsea were willing to loan out serious young payers again.
All the poor Potter shite talk and you look at the team sheet. No excuse to be playing THAT badly.
Tbf he had a decent record at derby.
Saying that, I just don't think he has what it takes to be a Premier league manager. He is living on name and playing reputation
His record was worse at derby than it was in his first stint at chelsea. The average points per game was lower and he got sacked at chelsea though different demands I guess.
Fat Frank hasn't a notion. And he'll probably never manage again.
But Chelsea are a mess. A bigger mess than Utd ever where. Enzo Fernandes is contracted until 2030!! Never mind the on field problems and by God they have plenty, there are massive off field problems coming fast this summer. A huge fire sale for sure. How deep are Todd Boehly's pockets? Is he willing to write off half a billion? Will he dump in another 0.5b? It is entirely possible that they go bust.
An absolute shitshow.
Can Big Sam save Leeds?
City and Newcastle up next for them...
They are lucky in that given the fixtures they may only need a few points.
Quote from: smort on May 03, 2023, 09:52:44 AM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on May 03, 2023, 09:30:28 AM
If top top bloke Lamps dropped a division he'd be shown up, unless Chelsea were willing to loan out serious young payers again.
All the poor Potter shite talk and you look at the team sheet. No excuse to be playing THAT badly.
Tbf he had a decent record at derby.
Saying that, I just don't think he has what it takes to be a Premier league manager. He is living on name and playing reputation
He took Derby from 6th to 6th with a more talented squad
Quote from: J70 on May 03, 2023, 12:54:00 PM
Can Big Sam save Leeds?
City and Newcastle up next for them...
They are lucky in that given the fixtures they may only need a few points.
Everton have Brighton ,Man City, Wolves, Bournemouth
Forest have Southampton, Chelsea, Arsenal ,Crystal Palace
Leeds have Man City Newcastle West Ham, Tottenham
Leicester have Fulham, Liverpool, Newcastle, West Ham
Quote from: seafoid on May 03, 2023, 01:14:00 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 03, 2023, 12:54:00 PM
Can Big Sam save Leeds?
City and Newcastle up next for them...
They are lucky in that given the fixtures they may only need a few points.
Everton have Brighton ,Man City, Wolves, Bournemouth
Forest have Southampton, Chelsea, Arsenal ,Crystal Palace
Leeds have Man City Newcastle West Ham, Tottenham
Leicester have Fulham, Liverpool, Newcastle, West Ham
Those fighting the drop from those remaining games would be lucky to pick up 4 points
Quote from: seafoid on May 03, 2023, 01:14:00 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 03, 2023, 12:54:00 PM
Can Big Sam save Leeds?
City and Newcastle up next for them...
They are lucky in that given the fixtures they may only need a few points.
Everton have Brighton ,Man City, Wolves, Bournemouth
Forest have Southampton, Chelsea, Arsenal ,Crystal Palace
Leeds have Man City Newcastle West Ham, Tottenham
Leicester have Fulham, Liverpool, Newcastle, West Ham
Leeds look gone from their recent form and fixtures.
Everton, Forest & Leicester could pick up a few points
West Ham are only 4 points ahead of Leeds. Tottenham are very poor. Leeds may be okay
Big Sam quote today. Not lacking in confidence anyway.
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So weve Stephen Ireland sayin he was always got the better of Lampard/Scholes/Gerrard now big Sam out with this. Good craic these boys thats for sure 😃
Ireland played against Lampard 12 times and won two games. He faced Gerrard 11 times and never won a match, losing six times. He played against Scholes eight times and was on the winning side just once.
He always was a liar tbf
Quote from: J70 on May 03, 2023, 12:54:00 PM
Can Big Sam save Leeds?
City and Newcastle up next for them...
They are lucky in that given the fixtures they may only need a few points.
If he can get a tune out of Jack Harrison and Wilfried Gnonto he might pull it off against West Ham and Spurs
Quote from: seafoid on May 03, 2023, 08:27:00 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 03, 2023, 12:54:00 PM
Can Big Sam save Leeds?
City and Newcastle up next for them...
They are lucky in that given the fixtures they may only need a few points.
If he can get a tune out of Jack Harrison and Wilfried Gnonto he might pull it off against West Ham and Spurs
They've a bit of attacking flair alright, but their defence is worse than Evertons and hopefully that will be their downfall.
I'd say there's a load of Leeds fans with their head in their hands after Big Sam's outburst, setting himself up for the fail..
Quote from: johnnycool on May 04, 2023, 08:22:47 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 03, 2023, 08:27:00 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 03, 2023, 12:54:00 PM
Can Big Sam save Leeds?
City and Newcastle up next for them...
They are lucky in that given the fixtures they may only need a few points.
If he can get a tune out of Jack Harrison and Wilfried Gnonto he might pull it off against West Ham and Spurs
They've a bit of attacking flair alright, but their defence is worse than Evertons and hopefully that will be their downfall.
I'd say there's a load of Leeds fans with their head in their hands after Big Sam's outburst, setting himself up for the fail..
Dunno. It's the sort of fighting spirit and confidence a team needs at this point of the season. 4 games means you've very little time to think about implementing systems or shape. This is about getting the 11 or 14 players on a Saturday to up their performance level. Cup tie sort of stuff. If he can inject that into this team and work ethic they might just get 1 or 2 results that keep them up. Tall ask I admit, but stranger things have happened.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 03, 2023, 06:21:03 PM
Big Sam quote today. Not lacking in confidence anyway.
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Dear oh dear.
Had the desired affect, everyone talking about 'Big Sam' players now have a bit of space and the chance to work away and attempt to get 4 points out of 4 games.
Everton have Brighton ,Man City, Wolves, Bournemouth - Maybe if Wolves are OK and Bournemouth are on the beach?
Forest have Southampton, Chelsea, Arsenal ,Crystal Palace - They can beat Southampton and an at the beach palace.
Leeds have Man City Newcastle West Ham, Tottenham - They are fooked!
Leicester have Fulham, Liverpool, Newcastle, West Ham - They might get something from Fulham and West Ham (if they are safe)
It's a great year down the wrong end of the table in fairness.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on May 04, 2023, 03:06:29 PM
Everton have Brighton ,Man City, Wolves, Bournemouth - Maybe if Wolves are OK and Bournemouth are on the beach?
Forest have Southampton, Chelsea, Arsenal ,Crystal Palace - They can beat Southampton and an at the beach palace.
Leeds have Man City Newcastle West Ham, Tottenham - They are fooked!
Leicester have Fulham, Liverpool, Newcastle, West Ham - They might get something from Fulham and West Ham (if they are safe)
It's a great year down the wrong end of the table in fairness.
Forest can definitely beat Chelsea who are the worst team in the league at the minute. Only for Tuchels form and Potters couple of results just before he got sacked they'd be going down. Leeds might get something against West Ham and Tottenham who'll likely be on the beach.
Wouldnt surprise me if Newcastle or Liverpool or even City dropped points against one of the lower teams.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on May 04, 2023, 03:06:29 PM
Everton have Brighton ,Man City, Wolves, Bournemouth - Maybe if Wolves are OK and Bournemouth are on the beach?
Forest have Southampton, Chelsea, Arsenal ,Crystal Palace - They can beat Southampton and an at the beach palace.
Leeds have Man City Newcastle West Ham, Tottenham - They are fooked!
Leicester have Fulham, Liverpool, Newcastle, West Ham - They might get something from Fulham and West Ham (if they are safe)
It's a great year down the wrong end of the table in fairness.
You also have to take form into account. Everton and Forest have 3 points from 18. Southampton have 1
Nobody bringing Chelsea into this conversation? They are only 9 points ahead of the drop and have 3 of the top 4 still to play.
They have 1 point from 15. Lampard seems incapable of winning a game.
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 04, 2023, 05:55:58 PM
Nobody bringing Chelsea into this conversation? They are only 9 points ahead of the drop and have 3 of the top 4 still to play.
They have 1 point from 15. Lampard seems incapable of winning a game.
They are safe. You'd be looking at the 2 of the 4 relegation candidates winning 3 of their last 4 games. Not going to happen.
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 04, 2023, 05:55:58 PM
Nobody bringing Chelsea into this conversation? They are only 9 points ahead of the drop and have 3 of the top 4 still to play.
They have 1 point from 15. Lampard seems incapable of winning a game.
They can't get relegated
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Excellent article in The Athletic on Clough today.
Also have one on the 1980 Copa Del Rey final.
It was Real Madrid v Real Madrid Castilla, their reserve team!
Good away win for Arsenal today, too little too late? Newcastle defeat good for Liverpool who should win their remaining three games.
I think it's been a Fantastic season for Manchester United, massive improvement by ETH after not spending much and having a wafer thin squad to work with.
Onwards and upwards after a good summer rest.
The players are just tired at this point and shouldn't read into the last few games too much, champions league football secured
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on May 07, 2023, 08:53:58 PM
I think it's been a Fantastic season for Manchester United, massive improvement by ETH after not spending much and having a wafer thin squad to work with.
Onwards and upwards after a good summer rest.
The players are just tired at this point and shouldn't read into the last few games too much, champions league football secured
Sorry what?
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on May 07, 2023, 08:53:58 PM
I think it's been a Fantastic season for Manchester United, massive improvement by ETH after not spending much and having a wafer thin squad to work with.
Onwards and upwards after a good summer rest.
The players are just tired at this point and shouldn't read into the last few games too much, champions league football secured
I think you re getting mixed up with the men's and the women's teams
Why are there matches on so early on a Monday? Just home from work and I see Everton Brighton about to start and Fulham and Leicester have already played.
Someone is either trying to be funny or just thick
Some start for Everton.
A win for Everton takes them out of bottom 3 but helps LFC in the European chase.....decisions, decisions ....
f**king hell 3-0 test everyone of those Everton players at half time
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 08, 2023, 05:49:59 PM
A win for Everton takes them out of bottom 3 but helps LFC in the European chase.....decisions, decisions ....
Not one but 3 teams imploding to give pool a place in champ s league.
Man U. Spurs and now Brighton
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 08, 2023, 05:36:27 PM
Someone is either trying to be funny or just thick
😁😁
Lot of bottle factories open this time of year
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Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 08, 2023, 05:49:59 PM
A win for Everton takes them out of bottom 3 but helps LFC in the European chase.....decisions, decisions ....
Not one but 3 teams imploding to give pool a place in champ s league.
Man U. Spurs and now Brighton
Similar happened in the 2020–21 season. Klopp a lucky general.
Everton 4-0 up now! 😮
And Brighton still have Arsenal, Newcastle and City to play!
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 08, 2023, 06:53:18 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on May 08, 2023, 06:35:47 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 08, 2023, 05:49:59 PM
A win for Everton takes them out of bottom 3 but helps LFC in the European chase.....decisions, decisions ....
Not one but 3 teams imploding to give pool a place in champ s league.
Man U. Spurs and now Brighton
Similar happened in the 2020–21 season. Klopp a lucky general.
I still think it's too little too late this time around.
But at least they've something solid to work on for next year.
Arsenal will be hoping that Everton turns up for the match against Man City on Sunday.
Am i right in saying 5th, 6th are into the Europa league and 7th into the conference league?
Everton eh. Pure yite all year then go do that. Football eh!
Always liked mcneill but had seemed to go off the ball big time
They had scored 27 goals in the previous 34 matches before tonight!
I think that could leave them safe now. Not looking good for Leeds and Leicester
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on May 08, 2023, 08:09:36 PM
I think that could leave them safe now. Not looking good for Leeds and Leicester
32 isn't enough
Forest - Southampton is end to end
Quote from: seafoid on May 08, 2023, 08:18:33 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on May 08, 2023, 08:09:36 PM
I think that could leave them safe now. Not looking good for Leeds and Leicester
32 isn't enough
You're right but sitting with 32 and looking the fixtures that the bottom 5 have I think they are in a strong position. If Leeds were in that position I'd be breathing a lot easier I'll tell you that
Forest got the better of Southampton 4-3. That makes it 21 goals in todays 3 games. Forest and Everton gout out of the relegation places and with the games left I predict it will stay that way.
That would mean premier league winners Leicester would go down. Leeds als look to be doomed.
It's really hard to call this. Even Southampton scored 3.
Southampton,Leicester City and Leeds United are looking like the three to get relegated.
totally stunned by that Everton result. I thought they were doomed but who knows now. I cant call the last 2 to drop at all.
I'd like to think the Brighton stumble could give Villa hope of some sort of European finish but I think the brutal loss to Wolves at the weekend has put the nail in that coffin.
Far from over yet. Surely big sam will have some kind of impact too.
Burnley beat everton before and everyone thought they were home and dry then did they not get relegated?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 08, 2023, 11:14:44 PM
Southampton,Leicester City and Leeds United are looking like the three to get relegated.
It's too early I think If Everton and Forest were 6 points ahead of the drop zone it would be different but they aren't.
Who each team played in the last round of games was random. Same for the next 3 rounds.
Quote from: seafoid on May 09, 2023, 11:32:29 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 08, 2023, 11:14:44 PM
Southampton,Leicester City and Leeds United are looking like the three to get relegated.
It's too early I think If Everton and Forest were 6 points ahead of the drop zone it would be different but they aren't.
Who each team played in the last round of games was random. Same for the next 3 rounds.
Everton were hoping before tonight for two wins from their last 4 games. Last nights emphatic win is in bonus territory.
Away to Man City on Sunday was never going to be anything to count on, but then they've Wolves away and finish with Bournemouth at home on the last day.
Get something from Wolves and after last night that's a real possibility and then full tilt at Bournemouth who're on the beach already is doable.
Leicester have Liverpool, Newcastle and finish up with Westham, so might still be in with a shout on the last day.
Southampton have Fulham, Brighton and finally Liverpool, they need to pick up 3 wins and hope Everton don't get another point anywhere... They should be gone.
Leeds have Newcastle, Westham and finally Spurs, They've to pick up 3 more points than Everton do in the run in (Everton better goal difference) and 3 more than Forrest.
It's home to man city.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 09, 2023, 12:09:35 PM
It's home to man city.
Ok, that's another 3 points in the bag for Dyche's heros.
;D
Quote from: johnnycool on May 09, 2023, 12:36:55 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 09, 2023, 12:09:35 PM
It's home to man city.
Ok, that's another 3 points in the bag for Dyche's heros.
;D
just never know with Everton.
Having Mina and DCL fit makes a huge difference
Quote from: johnnycool on May 09, 2023, 12:36:55 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 09, 2023, 12:09:35 PM
It's home to man city.
Ok, that's another 3 points in the bag for Dyche's heros.
;D
;D
It
might make a difference although I don't think Dwight McNeil will ever play like that again for as long as he lives :D
Funny fixture that one. If Everton get tanked and some of the other challengers win then right back to square one.
We will have to support Liverpool in the next game which is never where you want to be ;)
A battling draw for Leeds however Big Sam will rue that penalty miss to put them 2-0 up and then Newcastle scored twice from penalties.
Title race if it wasn't already over is now with that set of results today.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 14, 2023, 06:33:18 PM
Title race if it wasn't already over is now with that set of results today.
Yeah it will be confirmed next Saturday or Sunday.
For sure
If Manchester City progress against Madrid this week the treble is all but theirs and it will have been more impressive than the treble of uniteds by some stretch.
That United team in the final won't lay a hand on them if city turn up in the form.
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on May 14, 2023, 08:10:47 PM
For sure
If Manchester City progress against Madrid this week the treble is all but theirs and it will have been more impressive than the treble of uniteds by some stretch.
That United team in the final won't lay a hand on them if city turn up in the form.
Different eras and whatever Manchester City win is fairly hollow.
Aren't you an Arsenal supporter who should be more concerned about how Arsenal are going to lose this Premier league title with a few games to spare when it was Arsenal's title to lose.
As your namesake states that's fairly obvious with the smallest bit of on-forum research, correct captain.
You're turning to whataboutery, I seem to remember a Ten Haag team who were going to win the quad not long ago, then the treble! then the double.... Now
Good chance for Liverpool to boost the goal difference tonight. Leicester have been poor defensively all season.
Quote from: johnnycool on May 09, 2023, 11:52:24 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 09, 2023, 11:32:29 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 08, 2023, 11:14:44 PM
Southampton,Leicester City and Leeds United are looking like the three to get relegated.
It's too early I think If Everton and Forest were 6 points ahead of the drop zone it would be different but they aren't.
Who each team played in the last round of games was random. Same for the next 3 rounds.
Everton were hoping before tonight for two wins from their last 4 games. Last nights emphatic win is in bonus territory.
Away to Man City on Sunday was never going to be anything to count on, but then they've Wolves away and finish with Bournemouth at home on the last day.
Get something from Wolves and after last night that's a real possibility and then full tilt at Bournemouth who're on the beach already is doable.
Leicester have Liverpool, Newcastle and finish up with Westham, so might still be in with a shout on the last day.
Southampton have Fulham, Brighton and finally Liverpool, they need to pick up 3 wins and hope Everton don't get another point anywhere... They should be gone.
Leeds have Newcastle, Westham and finally Spurs, They've to pick up 3 more points than Everton do in the run in (Everton better goal difference) and 3 more than Forrest.
Southampton gone, Sunak is a jinx unless it's his own personal finances....
Leicester beat and Leeds drawing whilst Everton expectedly got a trimming from City still leaves it tight in the bottom.
All three away this weekend, Leicester have the short straw at Newcastle who've still got something to play for, Everton away to Wolves who're safe but with DCL doubtful it's a blow to them, Leeds away to the Hammers, who are also safe on goal difference so might pick something up there as well.
It's all down to the final weekend with 2 from 3 going down, even if Arsenal do beat Forest and bring them into the mix..
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Quote from: johnnycool on May 09, 2023, 11:52:24 AM
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 08, 2023, 11:14:44 PM
Southampton,Leicester City and Leeds United are looking like the three to get relegated.
It's too early I think If Everton and Forest were 6 points ahead of the drop zone it would be different but they aren't.
Who each team played in the last round of games was random. Same for the next 3 rounds.
Everton were hoping before tonight for two wins from their last 4 games. Last nights emphatic win is in bonus territory.
Away to Man City on Sunday was never going to be anything to count on, but then they've Wolves away and finish with Bournemouth at home on the last day.
Get something from Wolves and after last night that's a real possibility and then full tilt at Bournemouth who're on the beach already is doable.
Leicester have Liverpool, Newcastle and finish up with Westham, so might still be in with a shout on the last day.
Southampton have Fulham, Brighton and finally Liverpool, they need to pick up 3 wins and hope Everton don't get another point anywhere... They should be gone.
Leeds have Newcastle, Westham and finally Spurs, They've to pick up 3 more points than Everton do in the run in (Everton better goal difference) and 3 more than Forrest.
Southampton gone, Sunak is a jinx unless it's his own personal finances....
Leicester beat and Leeds drawing whilst Everton expectedly got a trimming from City still leaves it tight in the bottom.
All three away this weekend, Leicester have the short straw at Newcastle who've still got something to play for, Everton away to Wolves who're safe but with DCL doubtful it's a blow to them, Leeds away to the Hammers, who are also safe on goal difference so might pick something up there as well.
It's all down to the final weekend with 2 from 3 going down, even if Arsenal do beat Forest and bring them into the mix..
Leicester's body language yesterday indicated relegation. They have gone to 1/8 with the bookies
From BBC
Brentford striker Ivan Toney has been banned from football for eight months after he accepted breaking Football Association betting rules.
Toney has also been charged £50,000 and warned about his future conduct for 232 breaches of the FA's betting rules.
His suspension starts immediately, but the 27-year-old can return to training with Brentford four months before it ends on 17 September.
He will not be allowed to play again until 17 January, 2024.
The breaches Toney has been found guilty of took place between 25 February 2017 and 23 January 2021, during which time Toney represented Scunthorpe United, Wigan Athletic, Peterborough United and Brentford.
With all the talk of City/Madrid the play-offs might have slipped some people by. Luton Vs Coventry in playoff final. Good to have a different team coming up, after all Coventry been through past 10 years be nice to see them back in the prem
Have a soft spot for Coventry going back to the 87 cup final.
Fun Fact*: Luton Town are the only founder member of the Premier League who have never played in the Premier League.
*Might not actually be a Fun Fact
Quote from: pbat on May 18, 2023, 09:19:08 AM
Have a soft spot for Coventry going back to the 87 cup final.
Likewise. Mick Quinn the former postman. Big Steve Ogrizivic and Dave Bust who'd one of the worst injuries you'd ever see.
In school we would all have a '2nd' team instead of just solely Liverpool or United (Arsenal fans were a rare breed then, but often not too likeable!!). My second team was Wimbledon for years, and then a brief switch to Coventry. Now and again it would come up in pub talk, and names would pop up that would make you go 'Jesus, yeah'. It all feels so long ago now- remember Oxford in the top flight?
Bellingham going to Sunderland. bet no one saw that coming.
ha ha
Jobe not better than Jude after all then.
Quote from: Substandard on May 18, 2023, 01:25:28 PM
In school we would all have a '2nd' team instead of just solely Liverpool or United (Arsenal fans were a rare breed then, but often not too likeable!!). My second team was Wimbledon for years, and then a brief switch to Coventry. Now and again it would come up in pub talk, and names would pop up that would make you go 'Jesus, yeah'. It all feels so long ago now- remember Oxford in the top flight?
It's weird seeing Brentford in the Premier League
Newcastle United now just need three points in their remaining two games for Champions league football next season and they are playing Leicester City next. Just the start of the Newcastle United project another Manchester City in the making.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 18, 2023, 09:31:57 PM
Newcastle United now just need three points in their remaining two games for Champions league football next season and they are playing Leicester City next. Just the start of the Newcastle United project another Manchester City in the making.
Well, they've got a good manager which is is a big help.
99th minutes equalizer for Everton today, A result that might have Leeds some hope.
Forest survive. City buy another one.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 20, 2023, 07:33:55 PM
Forest survive. City buy another one.
City with title won with three games to spare when weeks ago it looked like Arsenal would push them all the way but their form turned for the worst. Good achievement for Forest to stay up.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 20, 2023, 05:19:27 PM
99th minutes equalizer for Everton today, A result that might have Leeds some hope.
Leeds should beat Spurs. I think Everton are still going down.
Newcastle secured because of goal difference so Liverpool still have a chance
Walked in during the Liverpool offside goal VAR review, so I'm assuming I missed something. But can anyone shed any light on why it take so long to review? The furthermost Liverpool player looked several feet offside.
Bournemouth and Nottingham Forest were both in the relegation zone not so long ago and are a long way from trouble.
Quote from: seafoid on May 09, 2023, 11:32:29 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 08, 2023, 11:14:44 PM
Southampton,Leicester City and Leeds United are looking like the three to get relegated.
It's too early I think If Everton and Forest were 6 points ahead of the drop zone it would be different but they aren't.
Who each team played in the last round of games was random. Same for the next 3 rounds.
Southampton gone, Leicester City will be gone tomorrow, Leeds as good as gone with that defeat today as Everton should at least draw at home to Bournemouth
Leeds having to play a poor Spurs side at home could be their saviour. Couldn't trust Everton to get a win.
A draw would do Everton though unless Leeds win by three or more.
Brighton have qualified for European football for the first time in the club's history. Huge achievement for the club, pound for pound the best footballing team in the Premier League.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 21, 2023, 04:37:53 PM
Brighton have qualified for European football for the first time in the club's history. Huge achievement for the club, pound for pound the best footballing team in the Premier League.
Agree, great to watch
Like man city but without the big names
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on May 21, 2023, 04:48:16 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 21, 2023, 04:37:53 PM
Brighton have qualified for European football for the first time in the club's history. Huge achievement for the club, pound for pound the best footballing team in the Premier League.
Agree, great to watch
Like man city but without the big names
Inevitably these teams get theirs assets stripped by the big boys.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 21, 2023, 05:06:51 PM
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Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 21, 2023, 04:37:53 PM
Brighton have qualified for European football for the first time in the club's history. Huge achievement for the club, pound for pound the best footballing team in the Premier League.
Agree, great to watch
Like man city but without the big names
Inevitably these teams get theirs assets stripped by the big boys.
MacAllister has terms agreed with Liverpool already and then Arsenal are after Caicedo.. United want Ferguson too but don't think he'll leave so young
Going by that first half Leicester players are as the saying goes this time of year on the beach already.
Quote from: square_ball on May 22, 2023, 09:03:43 PM
Going by that first half Leicester players are as the saying goes this time of year on the beach already.
Leicester nearly won it in the 92nd minute. Relegation battle down to the final day of the season.
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All 3 with very winnable games. All in Everton's hands now.
I have a soft spot for both Everton and Leicester. But one of them has to go down. That's a pity , but both teams (and Leeds) have had terrible seasons tbh
Everton will only stay up because the other teams down there are so bad
bournemouth have already given the Toffees two trimmings this season
The worry for Leicester and Leeds would be that Bournemouth are "on the beach". I would imagine there be a serious atmosphere at Goodison for this one. Everton will need DCL fit for this one as Simms and Maupay not up to it. Would expect Leicester to dispose of West Ham as their focus will be elsewhere and Leeds could well beat Spurs as they are awful. If Leicester go down be some good signings available in the summer Maddison, Barnes, Tielemens. Big mistake they made was not replacing Schmeichel Danny Ward and Iversen are championship keepers at best.
Sayin it was DCLs hammy the other day..if he missin could change things. Interesting...
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 23, 2023, 12:10:18 PM
Sayin it was DCLs hammy the other day..if he missin could change things. Interesting...
Michael Keane to be deployed then, he's as many goals and more assists than DCL...
Only joking, Everton need a big one and for Bournemouth not to give a shiny shíte..
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 20, 2023, 08:24:58 PM
Walked in during the Liverpool offside goal VAR review, so I'm assuming I missed something. But can anyone shed any light on why it take so long to review? The furthermost Liverpool player looked several feet offside.
That was a bit of an odd/interesting one.
Ball played to the back post where Diaz was onside and Virgil offside.
Diaz got to the ball and played it backwards across the goal. At this stage Virgil is behind Diaz but closer to the end line and not interfering.
Diaz's cross was intercepted by a Villa player around the peno spot who sent it towards the end line. By this stage Virgil was on the end line, and he sent it back into the danger area where Gakpo scored.
It came down to whether the Villa player deliberately played the ball, or whether it just hit off him and he wasn't in control. If he deliberately played the ball, then it's a new phase of play and Virgil would be onside (as can't be offside from defender's pass). However, if it was accidental / just a rebound, then it's still the same phase of play and while he wasn't interfering when Diaz played the ball, Virgil clearly interfers when he plays the ball so would be offside.
Officials decided eventually that the ball hit the Villa defender rather than the he deliberately played it, so offside was the decision.
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Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 23, 2023, 12:10:18 PM
Sayin it was DCLs hammy the other day..if he missin could change things. Interesting...
Michael Keane to be deployed then, he's as many goals and more assists than DCL...
Only joking, Everton need a big one and for Bournemouth not to give a shiny shíte..
Set up nicely for Sun. All 3 away teams could be on the subeds already but with the pressure off could actually improve some of them
Quote from: Hound on May 23, 2023, 01:49:41 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 20, 2023, 08:24:58 PM
Walked in during the Liverpool offside goal VAR review, so I'm assuming I missed something. But can anyone shed any light on why it take so long to review? The furthermost Liverpool player looked several feet offside.
That was a bit of an odd/interesting one.
Ball played to the back post where Diaz was onside and Virgil offside.
Diaz got to the ball and played it backwards across the goal. At this stage Virgil is behind Diaz but closer to the end line and not interfering.
Diaz's cross was intercepted by a Villa player around the peno spot who sent it towards the end line. By this stage Virgil was on the end line, and he sent it back into the danger area where Gakpo scored.
It came down to whether the Villa player deliberately played the ball, or whether it just hit off him and he wasn't in control. If he deliberately played the ball, then it's a new phase of play and Virgil would be onside (as can't be offside from defender's pass). However, if it was accidental / just a rebound, then it's still the same phase of play and while he wasn't interfering when Diaz played the ball, Virgil clearly interfers when he plays the ball so would be offside.
Officials decided eventually that the ball hit the Villa defender rather than the he deliberately played it, so offside was the decision.
From watching it back on match of the day looked pretty clear that was a deliberate attempt to play the ball and goal should have stood. Liverpool left themselves too much to do and on balance united and newcastle deserve to be in the top 4.
Quote from: Hound on May 23, 2023, 01:49:41 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 20, 2023, 08:24:58 PM
Walked in during the Liverpool offside goal VAR review, so I'm assuming I missed something. But can anyone shed any light on why it take so long to review? The furthermost Liverpool player looked several feet offside.
That was a bit of an odd/interesting one.
Ball played to the back post where Diaz was onside and Virgil offside.
Diaz got to the ball and played it backwards across the goal. At this stage Virgil is behind Diaz but closer to the end line and not interfering.
Diaz's cross was intercepted by a Villa player around the peno spot who sent it towards the end line. By this stage Virgil was on the end line, and he sent it back into the danger area where Gakpo scored.
It came down to whether the Villa player deliberately played the ball, or whether it just hit off him and he wasn't in control. If he deliberately played the ball, then it's a new phase of play and Virgil would be onside (as can't be offside from defender's pass). However, if it was accidental / just a rebound, then it's still the same phase of play and while he wasn't interfering when Diaz played the ball, Virgil clearly interfers when he plays the ball so would be offside.
Officials decided eventually that the ball hit the Villa defender rather than the he deliberately played it, so offside was the decision.
Thanks Hound!
As a Villa supporter, i think it should have stood as a goal. Konsa does make an action to play the ball, albeit a poor one. I'm not as keen on the calls for a red card for Mings though. I thought a yellow was right.
Quote from: lurganblue on May 24, 2023, 09:04:41 AM
As a Villa supporter, i think it should have stood as a goal. Konsa does make an action to play the ball, albeit a poor one. I'm not as keen on the calls for a red card for Mings though. I thought a yellow was right.
I would agree with both points on this. I see very little difference between the Mings incident and the Jota high foot against Spurs and I did not think that was a red.
I think it was the comparative outrage on the two incidents which was more annoying, think Mings didnt even get shown on MOTD
Both Everton and Leeds were involved in the relegation story last season as well.
Hope Everton go down.
See Ivan Toney has cam out said has gambling addiction and was placing bets against Newcastle in games he wasn't involved in. You be fairly annoyed if you knew one of your own was backing against you. I recall listening to Niall McNamee before and whenever he raised issue with his addiction the counsellor told asked if he ever betted against self and he was annoyed with the comment but was told it was only a matter of time before he did this. Be interesting to know how the FA became aware of the goings on with Toney. Was thinking he could possibly have been a cheaper option that Kane/Osimhen for Man Utd but the fact hes banned to January probably rules that out.
Little Luton into the Premier League via a sudden death penalty shootout. Will their pitch be big enough for the Premier league?
Quote from: statto on May 26, 2023, 11:24:54 AM
See Ivan Toney has cam out said has gambling addiction and was placing bets against Newcastle in games he wasn't involved in. You be fairly annoyed if you knew one of your own was backing against you. I recall listening to Niall McNamee before and whenever he raised issue with his addiction the counsellor told asked if he ever betted against self and he was annoyed with the comment but was told it was only a matter of time before he did this. Be interesting to know how the FA became aware of the goings on with Toney. Was thinking he could possibly have been a cheaper option that Kane/Osimhen for Man Utd but the fact hes banned to January probably rules that out.
Toney never bet against himself. The bets against Newcastle were not allowed, but still regarded at the lower end of the scale as his bets had no impact on the result. The bets that got the long ban were the ones on matches he was playing - all such bets being on himself to score.
Seems quite a harsh ban, especially as so much gambling promotion and adverts in the premier league.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 27, 2023, 07:52:58 PM
Little Luton into the Premier League via a sudden death penalty shootout. Will their pitch be big enough for the Premier league?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7BNu-Sb7q4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7BNu-Sb7q4)
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 27, 2023, 07:52:58 PM
Little Luton into the Premier League via a sudden death penalty shootout. Will their pitch be big enough for the Premier league?
Luton back in the big time. I remember collecting the Panini stickers back in the day when they had the likes of Mal Donaghy , Big mick harford, one of the Steins, and another big fella with the headband (name escapes me). Ah, Simpler times.
Quote from: AustinPowers on May 27, 2023, 11:38:14 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 27, 2023, 07:52:58 PM
Little Luton into the Premier League via a sudden death penalty shootout. Will their pitch be big enough for the Premier league?
Luton back in the big time. I remember collecting the Panini stickers back in the day when they had the likes of Mal Donaghy , Big mick harford, one of the Steins, and another big fella with the headband (name escapes me). Ah, Simpler times.
Steve Foster
Did Les Sealey not move from Luton to United?
Ricky Hill
2 Steins. Brian and Mark
Beat Arsenal in Littlewoods Cup final or whatever she was called
The plastic pitch
Jumpers for goalposts. Happy times 😃
Barry Horne
Gareth Farrelly
DOUCOURE!!
Quote from: AustinPowers on May 27, 2023, 11:38:14 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 27, 2023, 07:52:58 PM
Little Luton into the Premier League via a sudden death penalty shootout. Will their pitch be big enough for the Premier league?
Luton back in the big time. I remember collecting the Panini stickers back in the day when they had the likes of Mal Donaghy , Big mick harford, one of the Steins, and another big fella with the headband (name escapes me). Ah, Simpler times.
Is it still Kenilworth Road? Is it still an artificial surface ?
Quote from: seafoid on May 28, 2023, 06:40:59 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on May 27, 2023, 11:38:14 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 27, 2023, 07:52:58 PM
Little Luton into the Premier League via a sudden death penalty shootout. Will their pitch be big enough for the Premier league?
Luton back in the big time. I remember collecting the Panini stickers back in the day when they had the likes of Mal Donaghy , Big mick harford, one of the Steins, and another big fella with the headband (name escapes me). Ah, Simpler times.
Is it still Kenilworth Road? Is it still an artificial surface ?
Yes. No.
Have to spend £10mil to get it up to scratch for the Premier League.
New stadium being developed, but won't be ready until the following season.
Quote from: Estimator on May 28, 2023, 08:58:39 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 28, 2023, 06:40:59 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on May 27, 2023, 11:38:14 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 27, 2023, 07:52:58 PM
Little Luton into the Premier League via a sudden death penalty shootout. Will their pitch be big enough for the Premier league?
Luton back in the big time. I remember collecting the Panini stickers back in the day when they had the likes of Mal Donaghy , Big mick harford, one of the Steins, and another big fella with the headband (name escapes me). Ah, Simpler times.
Is it still Kenilworth Road? Is it still an artificial surface ?
Yes. No.
Have to spend £10mil to get it up to scratch for the Premier League.
New stadium being developed, but won't be ready until the following season.
Steve Foster?
I suppose it's the Monaghan in me but usually I'm an avid follower of the last round of the EPL season, those games affecting who gets relegated. It's popcorn munching time. This year it hardly registered a blip in among a classic weekend of televised GAA sport.
Lingard released from Forest. Givin Dele Alli a run for his money. Same time nice wage packet for doin v little if ye can get away with it