Resigned a few hours ago.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 27, 2022, 08:02:19 PM
Resigned a few hours ago.
Was unlucky with injuries to O'Donoghue and Conroy this year. Has had his time.
He brought us to a higher place and made thinking of winning Sam the norm.
He did well but he never sealed the deal.
He improved standards. No all Ireland Final with his teams repeated 2006. But he was unlucky to come up against the greatest financial team in the game.
Certainly the greatest Mayo manager of modern times. He'll have regrets. He did have one last great chance to win the holy grail in 2021, but it wasn't to be. But he leaves Mayo GAA at a county level in a far better place than where he found it. No obvious successor, or will the county board take a chance on young Andy or bury the hatched with McStay and McHale.
Current odds on Horans replacement
Ray Dempsey 6/4
Mike Solan 9/4
Maurice Sheridan 4/1
Jim McGuinness 4/1
Sean Deane 10/1
Kevin McStay 10/1
Malachy O'Rourke 10/1
Stephen Rochford 12/1
Andy Moran 14/1
Ciaran McDonald 20/1
Kevin Johnson 20/1
Colm Boyle 20/1
Kevin O'Brien 25/1
John Maughan 33/1
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 27, 2022, 09:09:06 PM
Current odds on Horans replacement
Ray Dempsey 6/4
Mike Solan 9/4
Maurice Sheridan 4/1
Jim McGuinness 4/1
Sean Deane 10/1
Kevin McStay 10/1
Malachy O'Rourke 10/1
Stephen Rochford 12/1
Andy Moran 14/1
Ciaran McDonald 20/1
Kevin Johnson 20/1
Colm Boyle 20/1
Kevin O'Brien 25/1
John Maughan 33/1
Nothing much to get excited about on that list.
O'Rourke be the best man on that list if McGuinness keeps with the soccer.
I'd do whatever it took to get Mickey Harte signed on. He had another run in him at the top table and he'll never do another Ulster team.
Identify the best candidate and go and get him
Rory Gallagher has worked wonders in Derry. Gallagher is intelligent enough to know that after this year the only way is downwards for Derry. He has taken them beyond their natural ceiling. His management style also has a 3 yr cycle. The intensity will soon become too much to bear for the Derry fellas & an unravelling is likely within 6 to 12 months. Derry would have a meagre "training budget" in comparison to Mayo as well.
Gallagher would absolutely would jump at the chance to go to Mayo.
And he would add a layer of steel and a level of organization not seen before in Mayo.
Do Mayo do outside managers ?
Quote from: maddog on June 28, 2022, 09:27:00 AM
Do Mayo do outside managers ?
Mickey Moran for one
But they dont do them too often. I am not sure was Horan the great manager he is made out to be.
Quote from: God14 on June 28, 2022, 09:23:21 AM
Identify the best candidate and go and get him
Rory Gallagher has worked wonders in Derry. Gallagher is intelligent enough to know that after this year the only way is downwards for Derry. He has taken them beyond their natural ceiling. His management style also has a 3 yr cycle. The intensity will soon become too much to bear for the Derry fellas & an unravelling is likely within 6 to 12 months. Derry would have a meagre "training budget" in comparison to Mayo as well.
Gallagher would absolutely would jump at the chance to go to Mayo.
And he would add a layer of steel and a level of organization not seen before in Mayo.
So you believe Gallagher will walk away from a team that is improving every game. That will be a team that either has won an all Ireland or will potentially won an all Ireland next year , to manage a team on the way down the hill. I don't think so.
Quote from: Derryman forever on June 28, 2022, 09:30:23 AM
Quote from: God14 on June 28, 2022, 09:23:21 AM
Identify the best candidate and go and get him
Rory Gallagher has worked wonders in Derry. Gallagher is intelligent enough to know that after this year the only way is downwards for Derry. He has taken them beyond their natural ceiling. His management style also has a 3 yr cycle. The intensity will soon become too much to bear for the Derry fellas & an unravelling is likely within 6 to 12 months. Derry would have a meagre "training budget" in comparison to Mayo as well.
Gallagher would absolutely would jump at the chance to go to Mayo.
And he would add a layer of steel and a level of organization not seen before in Mayo.
So you believe Gallagher will walk away from a team that is improving every game. That will be a team that either has won an all Ireland or will potentially won an all Ireland next year , to manage a team on the way down the hill. I don't think so.
the Mayo job is one of the top 3 in Ireland. Gallagher is an ambitious and transient manager. He will probably never get the chance again to get one of these really high profile top jobs
My post wasnt meant to antagonize Derry support by the way. Take it as a complement on the job he has done and what Derry have achieved this year. Good luck in the semi final.
Quote from: Itchy on June 28, 2022, 09:28:42 AM
Quote from: maddog on June 28, 2022, 09:27:00 AM
Do Mayo do outside managers ?
Mickey Moran for one
But they dont do them too often. I am not sure was Horan the great manager he is made out to be.
Brian McDonald
Jack O'Shea
Quote from: Chimley on June 27, 2022, 09:32:17 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 27, 2022, 09:09:06 PM
Current odds on Horans replacement
Ray Dempsey 6/4
Mike Solan 9/4
Maurice Sheridan 4/1
Jim McGuinness 4/1
Sean Deane 10/1
Kevin McStay 10/1
Malachy O'Rourke 10/1
Stephen Rochford 12/1
Andy Moran 14/1
Ciaran McDonald 20/1
Kevin Johnson 20/1
Colm Boyle 20/1
Kevin O'Brien 25/1
John Maughan 33/1
Nothing much to get excited about on that list.
What about the O'Sheas or the O'Connor or have they resigned too?
Seriously I think Jim McGuinness will go for this role.
Would the County board want McGuinness? Would he want the hassle? Can't see McStay after the 2015 debacle. Rochford would more than likely suffer with 'second coming syndrome'.
Whoever takes it on will be taking on a poisoned chalice, between having to be consistently being at the business end of the championship and winning Sam, and the replacements sadly aren't as good as what's gone before.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 28, 2022, 10:14:37 AM
Would the County board want McGuinness? Would he want the hassle? Can't see McStay after the 2015 debacle. Rochford would more than likely suffer with 'second coming syndrome'.
Whoever takes it on will be taking on a poisoned chalice, between having to be consistently being at the business end of the championship and winning Sam, and the replacements sadly aren't as good as what's gone before.
It still a relatively young mayo team. McLoughlin, Keegan and O'Shea only lads over 30?,Horan has done a good job replacing majority of 2011-17 team. The current minor team has some good prospects and will have a fully fit Tommy Conroy and Ryan O'Donoghue next year.
Anthony Moyles really knows his football. Dunshaughlin manager and OTB analyst
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_Hv90YXsb8
If Sean Deane's team will the AI minor then lets book him as manager for the Senior Team. That's my view.
Quote from: highorlow on June 28, 2022, 11:55:26 AM
If Sean Deane's team will the AI minor then lets book him as manager for the Senior Team. That's my view.
U17 a big step up to senior. Mayo won the 2013 U18 All Ireland and was the then manager Enda Gilvarry even interviewed for the senior post? Mike Solan led Mayo to the 2016 All Ireland U21 title Ruane,Coen,D O'Connor,Carr,Plunkett,Boland,Loftus was all on that team.
The update on the odds (where the money is going)
Ray Dempsey was 6/4 and now 11/10
Mike Solan 9/4 -- 7/2
Maurice Sheridan 4/1 -- 11/2
Jim McGuinness 4/1 -- 11/2
Sean Deane 10/1 -- 9/1
Kevin McStay 10/1 -- the same
Malachy O'Rourke 10/1 -- 12/1
Stephen Rochford 12/1 --- 8/1
Andy Moran 14/1 -- 10/1
Ciaran McDonald 20/1 -- the same
Kevin Johnson 20/1 -- the same
Colm Boyle 20/1 -- the same
Kevin O'Brien 25/1 - the same
John Maughan 33/1 - the same
Eamon Fitzmaurice added to the list at 16/1
I don't think a manager from within the county is advisable. The knowledge required to win an all Ireland is outside the county. John O'Mahony didn't manage either
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 28, 2022, 06:51:15 PM
Quote from: highorlow on June 28, 2022, 11:55:26 AM
If Sean Deane's team will the AI minor then lets book him as manager for the Senior Team. That's my view.
U17 a big step up to senior. Mayo won the 2013 U18 All Ireland and was the then manager Enda Gilvarry even interviewed for the senior post? Mike Solan led Mayo to the 2016 All Ireland U21 title Ruane,Coen,D O'Connor,Carr,Plunkett,Boland,Loftus was all on that team.
The update on the odds (where the money is going)
Ray Dempsey was 6/4 and now 11/10
Mike Solan 9/4 -- 7/2
Maurice Sheridan 4/1 -- 11/2
Jim McGuinness 4/1 -- 11/2
Sean Deane 10/1 -- 9/1
Kevin McStay 10/1 -- the same
Malachy O'Rourke 10/1 -- 12/1
Stephen Rochford 12/1 --- 8/1
Andy Moran 14/1 -- 10/1
Ciaran McDonald 20/1 -- the same
Kevin Johnson 20/1 -- the same
Colm Boyle 20/1 -- the same
Kevin O'Brien 25/1 - the same
John Maughan 33/1 - the same
Eamon Fitzmaurice added to the list at 16/1
I don't think Eamon Fitzmaurice would want it. Plus he's great at co-commentating so for that reason alone I hope he doesn't.
there is an odd idea out there that unless a manager has not yet won an All-irelland they should be Excluded from the process . which woulld rule out every manger ever at some point of their career .
when a team wins it it always down to the manager ?
if it was a choice would you pick john O mahony over having micheal Donnelan P Joyce and Ja Fallon ,
McGuiness over a full forward line of Patrick McBrearty Michael Murphy Colm McFadden
Looking for premade success is just lazy mans ass covering thinking and what worked in one county will not necessarily work in anorher ,
I hope the county board Put in the work and Get the right Man for mayo, yes Man Some screwballs are shouting for Cora
Quote from: seafoid on June 28, 2022, 10:44:01 AM
Anthony Moyles really knows his football. Dunshaughlin manager and OTB analyst
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_Hv90YXsb8
Moyles is absolutely dreadful, talks so much guff.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 28, 2022, 10:14:37 AM
Would the County board want McGuinness? Would he want the hassle? Can't see McStay after the 2015 debacle. Rochford would more than likely suffer with 'second coming syndrome'.
Whoever takes it on will be taking on a poisoned chalice, between having to be consistently being at the business end of the championship and winning Sam, and the replacements sadly aren't as good as what's gone before.
Having the right backroom team is equally as important as the manager. I suspect Dempsey will get the job but he's going to need a few in with him with experience of been around IC teams previously.
Wouldn't be surprised to see Mayo going close next season, Conroy & O'Donoghue are 2 of the best young forwards in the game and a new manager might get a tune of the younger O'Connor; His form has been very indifferent in recent years and he certainly doesn't look like he's enjoying it.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 29, 2022, 08:58:06 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 28, 2022, 06:51:15 PM
Quote from: highorlow on June 28, 2022, 11:55:26 AM
If Sean Deane's team will the AI minor then lets book him as manager for the Senior Team. That's my view.
U17 a big step up to senior. Mayo won the 2013 U18 All Ireland and was the then manager Enda Gilvarry even interviewed for the senior post? Mike Solan led Mayo to the 2016 All Ireland U21 title Ruane,Coen,D O'Connor,Carr,Plunkett,Boland,Loftus was all on that team.
The update on the odds (where the money is going)
Ray Dempsey was 6/4 and now 11/10
Mike Solan 9/4 -- 7/2
Maurice Sheridan 4/1 -- 11/2
Jim McGuinness 4/1 -- 11/2
Sean Deane 10/1 -- 9/1
Kevin McStay 10/1 -- the same
Malachy O'Rourke 10/1 -- 12/1
Stephen Rochford 12/1 --- 8/1
Andy Moran 14/1 -- 10/1
Ciaran McDonald 20/1 -- the same
Kevin Johnson 20/1 -- the same
Colm Boyle 20/1 -- the same
Kevin O'Brien 25/1 - the same
John Maughan 33/1 - the same
Eamon Fitzmaurice added to the list at 16/1
I don't think Eamon Fitzmaurice would want it. Plus he's great at co-commentating so for that reason alone I hope he doesn't.
Ray Dempsey be a good shout? Has done fantastically with Knockmore
The Mayo CB need to define what the problem is first. A repeat of the last decade would be a waste of time
The only min for the job
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Quote from: seafoid on June 29, 2022, 10:25:46 AM
The Mayo CB need to define what the problem is first. A repeat of the last decade would be a waste of time
not nearly as much as the waste of the decades from 52 to Horans 1st appointment . with the exception of 89 we were not even nearly competitive and the assumption that this is the new normal ie being in top 3 or 4 every year is naïve at best.
look at meath cork Down and untill this year derry as example of team who went from contenders to nowhere for years
Quote from: rosnarun on June 29, 2022, 12:45:13 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 29, 2022, 10:25:46 AM
The Mayo CB need to define what the problem is first. A repeat of the last decade would be a waste of time
not nearly as much as the waste of the decades from 52 to Horans 1st appointment . with the exception of 89 we were not even nearly competitive and the assumption that this is the new normal ie being in top 3 or 4 every year is naïve at best.
look at meath cork Down and untill this year derry as example of team who went from contenders to nowhere for years
True but as a Down man I'd rather have the memories of 91 and 94 than being nearly men.
Ray Dempsey is letting his name go forward for the role.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 20, 2022, 09:59:31 PM
Ray Dempsey is letting his name go forward for the role.
Betting was suspended on who will be the next manager of the Mayo manager, BoyleSports has said the decision was taken due to a flood of bets on one of the leading candidates. I presume that candidate is Ray Dempsey?
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 20, 2022, 10:25:31 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 20, 2022, 09:59:31 PM
Ray Dempsey is letting his name go forward for the role.
Betting was suspended on who will be the next manager of the Mayo manager, BoyleSports has said the decision was taken due to a flood of bets on one of the leading candidates. I presume that candidate is Ray Dempsey?
Yes, but they did similar with Mike Solan a couple of weeks ago I think.