Every county is at it . Monaghan and the Jackeens were the fools to get caught
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/justice-minister-alerts-gardai-to-video-showing-monaghan-gaa-players-breaching-covid-rules-in-training-session-40286862.html
Quote from: macker15 on April 08, 2021, 08:10:53 AM
Every county is at it . Monaghan and the Jackeens were the fools to get caught
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/justice-minister-alerts-gardai-to-video-showing-monaghan-gaa-players-breaching-covid-rules-in-training-session-40286862.html
Every county is not at it to that extent though, i heard it was a full session with all the squad is that correct i can only read first few lines.
Not surprised they got caught , they were apparently training last year heavily when restrictions were in place and again this year. Banty likes to bend the rules!! Wonder was donie Buckley there!! The whole argument of elite is being destroyed. You wouldn't see a professional team flout rules as blatantly as gaa teams are doing
Banty will get the same sanction as the other 3, they'll have a good laugh and get on with business as usual.
GAA enforcement ::)
Quote from: Rossfan on April 08, 2021, 08:59:05 AM
Banty will get the same sanction as the other 3, they'll have a good laugh and get on with business as usual.
GAA enforcement ::)
Rumours of your lads "meeting up" in Lough Key Forest Park.
Hope whoever is reporting these lads gets an awful hiding.
Quote from: the goal was on on April 08, 2021, 08:43:32 AM
Not surprised they got caught , they were apparently training last year heavily when restrictions were in place and again this year. Banty likes to bend the rules!! Wonder was donie Buckley there!! The whole argument of elite is being destroyed. You wouldn't see a professional team flout rules as blatantly as gaa teams are doing
Sure you're allowed to travel for your "job" aren't you?
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 08, 2021, 12:16:21 PM
Hope whoever is reporting these lads gets an awful hiding.
😂 Harsh
Monaghan had a Squad outbreak of Covid last year after training away during the first Lockdown so it could be someone with a bee in their bonnet about them flouting the rules again. it is turning into a bit of a farce now though. County Boards now suspending their own managers as if they don't know that training is taking place before they actually get caught.
While Dublin don't need to cheat to win, Monaghan certainly do. I think GAA should ban Banty from shouting, roaring and jumping up and down. He should also be banned from buying Cavan Jerseys to deface at his training sessions.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 08, 2021, 12:16:21 PM
Hope whoever is reporting these lads gets an awful hiding.
why should they be allowed to flaunt the rules
Quote from: naka on April 08, 2021, 12:44:04 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 08, 2021, 12:16:21 PM
Hope whoever is reporting these lads gets an awful hiding.
why should they be allowed to flaunt the rules
Drinking milk is good for your teeth. So is minding your own business.
Im not sure how this came about but I do know that last year the Monaghan GAA training centre was also being used as a Covid testing centre. If this was still the case then people who potentially had Covid or were displaying symptoms may have came across the players at the facility.
I would not be an advocate of these 'Gotcha' type people snapping photographs or videos on their phones but sadly it is much too commonplace nowadays.
The likelihood is this was one of many blatant breaches. Monaghan if reports are true had been training for over a month so no surprise they got caught. It's not doing much harm that's for sure but it's the message it sends out in regard to all the other covid messaging. If these lads can travel all over the county and in some cases country then why should we all bother. Remember more people than not don't follow gaa so they will feel particularly aggrieved when they see this happening . CLUBS first now for all the bad manners of county teams!!
Just read the Monaghan statement......as if the county board did not know there was training going on? Who was paying the expenses, who organised the venue, who put in place whatever covid safety measures they had in place? How long has this been going on for? Most counties are probably at the same........GAA rules are made to be broken......who thinks the 12 week ban will have any impact? Does anyone believe that Banty or Dessie wont be involved in every way and it's all business as usual.....apart from "lads dont get caught again"
Inter County GAA lost its 'elite' status in October 2020 due to covid breaches. With this nonsense, it could be another delayed start
All joking aside, the GAA needs to step in and do more than these ridiculous manager bans. I would deduct both teams 4 league points for starters. Why? Well the GAA will now come under serious scrutiny and potentially our start date could be pushed back unless we are seen to deal with this. That would effect all clubs and all kids and it is not acceptable.
Why are Monaghan getting rewarded with Banty's suspension?
Quote from: mrdeeds on April 08, 2021, 03:52:21 PM
Why are Monaghan getting rewarded with Banty's suspension?
;D
No doubt it could be a big boost to Monaghan having Banty removed ! Just as long as he continues to pay the wages though! In all seriousness gaa president said another breach would have serious consequences and now he is saying same thing again🙈 . Typical gaa all words no action. And clubs getting the raw deal again. Some counties will have to run off comps in winter when we could be in another bloody lockdown !
First up I think it's a joke that the GAA and outdoor sports in general are not allowed to train and play away. Adults and kids alike.
BUT, the vast majority are obeying the rules and it's some dose to have these lads across the board make a bollix of it for everyone else. Players broke the rules too and anyone caught could be banned as members of the association.
Not just Monaghan but if Fenton and Cooper got a few weeks, even six it would send a bigger message. How can the players be let away and the county board be excused too.
The GAA need to go harder on this and call any team and any person breaking the rules the selfish dickheads that they are. Again I think they should be allowed but the fact is they are not, so a manager getting a ban is pointless.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on April 08, 2021, 05:31:43 PM
First up I think it's a joke that the GAA and outdoor sports in general are not allowed to train and play away. Adults and kids alike.
BUT, the vast majority are obeying the rules and it's some dose to have these lads across the board make a bollix of it for everyone else. Players broke the rules too and anyone caught could be banned as members of the association.
Not just Monaghan but if Fenton and Cooper got a few weeks, even six it would send a bigger message. How can the players be let away and the county board be excused too.
The GAA need to go harder on this and call any team and any person breaking the rules the selfish dickheads that they are. Again I think they should be allowed but the fact is they are not, so a manager getting a ban is pointless.
So the rules are a joke but just follow them blindly?
Far bigger message would be for the GAA to call the government and nphet out for the selfish dickheads they are and say play away.
No Banty on sidelines roaring his head off could be a bonus for Monaghan.
Any sanctions for Clubs letting their pitches be used for unauthorised uninsured activities?
Quote from: mrdeeds on April 08, 2021, 03:52:21 PM
Why are Monaghan getting rewarded with Banty's suspension?
LOL!
Quote from: Rossfan on April 08, 2021, 07:32:47 PM
Any sanctions for Clubs letting their pitches be used for unauthorised uninsured activities?
If clubs were told that they would get a 6 month ban on return of activities if they allowed inter county training take place on there facilities it would have gone along way to stop this type of activity.
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-poised-to-declare-bans-on-dublin-and-monaghan-managers-null-and-void-ahead-of-further-investigation-40291101.html
The president reckons any more breaches will be devastating ! Few counties be crapping themselves over the next week.
It's a serious bonus for Monaghan though. Surely if they want to punish Monaghan they ban the real management and let Banty take the reins!
Quote from: Rossfan on April 09, 2021, 11:04:58 AM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-poised-to-declare-bans-on-dublin-and-monaghan-managers-null-and-void-ahead-of-further-investigation-40291101.html
So Banty held the training session on his own club grounds, it just goes to show that you aren't safe anywhere!
The penalties aren't exactly a deterrent for other counties though, loss of home venue is of no relevance in the current climate. Farrell and Banty might now miss the opening championship fixture but it depends what the managerial suspension covers in terms of any potential impact this might have. If it is a complete stadium & training ban then it might have some effect but otherwise if it is just a touchline ban on matchdays then it will have little or no impact given the amount of backroom staff involved now at county level.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 08, 2021, 07:32:47 PM
Any sanctions for Clubs letting their pitches be used for unauthorised uninsured activities?
You should put that in the "Club sanctions for unauthorised uninsured Activities" Thread
Quote from: yellowcard on April 09, 2021, 11:19:01 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 09, 2021, 11:04:58 AM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-poised-to-declare-bans-on-dublin-and-monaghan-managers-null-and-void-ahead-of-further-investigation-40291101.html
So Banty held the training session on his own club grounds, it just goes to show that you aren't safe anywhere!
The penalties aren't exactly a deterrent for other counties though, loss of home venue is of no relevance in the current climate. Farrell and Banty might now miss the opening championship fixture but it depends what the managerial suspension covers in terms of any potential impact this might have. If it is a complete stadium & training ban then it might have some effect but otherwise if it is just a touchline ban on matchdays then it will have little or no impact given the amount of backroom staff involved now at county level.
Given these are high profile now and the minister is even on record saying how annoyed he is, I think the GAA will be acting swiftly with a much stronger punishment. Remember these bans were put in place by the county boards of the respective counties. I think the GAA would be correct to deduct league points of counties, refuse them home advantage in games or whatever. And I say that even though I think the restriction on outdoor sport is wrong. But put yourself in the shoes of someone who has lost a relative, a job etc looking on at this carry one from Dublin and especially Monaghan.
Quote from: Itchy on April 09, 2021, 11:23:06 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 09, 2021, 11:19:01 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 09, 2021, 11:04:58 AM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-poised-to-declare-bans-on-dublin-and-monaghan-managers-null-and-void-ahead-of-further-investigation-40291101.html
So Banty held the training session on his own club grounds, it just goes to show that you aren't safe anywhere!
The penalties aren't exactly a deterrent for other counties though, loss of home venue is of no relevance in the current climate. Farrell and Banty might now miss the opening championship fixture but it depends what the managerial suspension covers in terms of any potential impact this might have. If it is a complete stadium & training ban then it might have some effect but otherwise if it is just a touchline ban on matchdays then it will have little or no impact given the amount of backroom staff involved now at county level.
Given these are high profile now and the minister is even on record saying how annoyed he is, I think the GAA will be acting swiftly with a much stronger punishment. Remember these bans were put in place by the county boards of the respective counties. I think the GAA would be correct to deduct league points of counties, refuse them home advantage in games or whatever. And I say that even though I think the restriction on outdoor sport is wrong. But put yourself in the shoes of someone who has lost a relative, a job etc looking on at this carry one from Dublin and especially Monaghan.
I think the fact that this and the Dublin offence actually took place on GAA grounds plus the fact that what Cork and Down did wasn't technically against the law whereas Dublin and Monaghan did break the law will be a factor in the severity of the punishment.
Also Down and Cork made the argument that when they met up that it was a once-off breach and not an ongoing return to training. There's no way Dublin and Monaghan are going to get away with trying that defence. I would imagine the statement released when Monaghan and Dublin get punished will make a specific mention of all these factors as an explanation of why their punishment will be more than what Down and Cork got.
I did say that I felt that Dublin GAA had made a mis-step by issuing the ban to Dessie.
I did question whether they had followed correct procedure at the time.
I am a bit surprised that that the powers-that-be have actually come out and actually declared the suspensions null and void.
I thought they would basically just ignore what the county boards in Dublin and Monaghan did and impose their punishment with no reference to the county boards actions.
Another factor is that Dublin's credibility is not exactly great in terms of breaching training bans given they were called in to explain their "historical" trip to France in 2019.
It's quite clear that Dublin and Monaghan's punishments will be harsher than what Cork and Down got - the big question is by how much.
2 Monaghan clubs caught training. Guards involved.
Quote from: macker15 on April 10, 2021, 07:51:25 PM
2 Monaghan clubs caught training. Guards involved.
Must be some amount of touts around Monaghan.
Quote from: clarshack on April 10, 2021, 09:06:07 PM
Quote from: macker15 on April 10, 2021, 07:51:25 PM
2 Monaghan clubs caught training. Guards involved.
Must be some amount of touts around Monaghan.
Could be to do with paying outside managers.
Quote from: clarshack on April 10, 2021, 09:06:07 PM
Quote from: macker15 on April 10, 2021, 07:51:25 PM
2 Monaghan clubs caught training. Guards involved.
Must be some amount of touts around Monaghan.
Don't even start.
Quote from: Itchy on April 09, 2021, 11:23:06 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 09, 2021, 11:19:01 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 09, 2021, 11:04:58 AM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-poised-to-declare-bans-on-dublin-and-monaghan-managers-null-and-void-ahead-of-further-investigation-40291101.html
So Banty held the training session on his own club grounds, it just goes to show that you aren't safe anywhere!
The penalties aren't exactly a deterrent for other counties though, loss of home venue is of no relevance in the current climate. Farrell and Banty might now miss the opening championship fixture but it depends what the managerial suspension covers in terms of any potential impact this might have. If it is a complete stadium & training ban then it might have some effect but otherwise if it is just a touchline ban on matchdays then it will have little or no impact given the amount of backroom staff involved now at county level.
Given these are high profile now and the minister is even on record saying how annoyed he is, I think the GAA will be acting swiftly with a much stronger punishment. Remember these bans were put in place by the county boards of the respective counties. I think the GAA would be correct to deduct league points of counties, refuse them home advantage in games or whatever. And I say that even though I think the restriction on outdoor sport is wrong. But put yourself in the shoes of someone who has lost a relative, a job etc looking on at this carry one from Dublin and especially Monaghan.
Your last sentence is emotive hyperbole, I'm unfortunately in that camp, but I know what Dublin and Monaghan were caught doing is very low risk and has no impact whatsoever on my troubles.
But they broke the rules and should be punished. GAA made a mistake imo in not outlining appropriate punishments. The precedent of losing a manager for a few weeks and losing home advantage for a couple of game was no deterrent. Someone mentioned a training ban, which would be a great idea. If teams thought the punishment would mean a 12 week training ban (starting from when every one else is allowed train - individual training only, zoom calls for team meetings, only allowed meet in person on game day), then nobody would chance breaking the rules.
Quote from: Hound on April 12, 2021, 09:43:12 AM
Quote from: Itchy on April 09, 2021, 11:23:06 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 09, 2021, 11:19:01 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 09, 2021, 11:04:58 AM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-poised-to-declare-bans-on-dublin-and-monaghan-managers-null-and-void-ahead-of-further-investigation-40291101.html
So Banty held the training session on his own club grounds, it just goes to show that you aren't safe anywhere!
The penalties aren't exactly a deterrent for other counties though, loss of home venue is of no relevance in the current climate. Farrell and Banty might now miss the opening championship fixture but it depends what the managerial suspension covers in terms of any potential impact this might have. If it is a complete stadium & training ban then it might have some effect but otherwise if it is just a touchline ban on matchdays then it will have little or no impact given the amount of backroom staff involved now at county level.
Given these are high profile now and the minister is even on record saying how annoyed he is, I think the GAA will be acting swiftly with a much stronger punishment. Remember these bans were put in place by the county boards of the respective counties. I think the GAA would be correct to deduct league points of counties, refuse them home advantage in games or whatever. And I say that even though I think the restriction on outdoor sport is wrong. But put yourself in the shoes of someone who has lost a relative, a job etc looking on at this carry one from Dublin and especially Monaghan.
Your last sentence is emotive hyperbole, I'm unfortunately in that camp,
Emotive hyperbole at loud volume is the norm and part of everyday conversation in Cavan. You'd fit in well in Cavan, Hound and also if you're partial to howling at the moon.
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But they broke the rules and should be punished. GAA made a mistake imo in not outlining appropriate punishments. The precedent of losing a manager for a few weeks and losing home advantage for a couple of game was no deterrent.
Fortunately for Monaghan the kid glove sanctions of the type that had already been issued to the Dubs set the precedent for the sanctions issued to Monaghan.