Poll
Question:
Has lockdown run it course and time to open things up?
Option 1: Yes
votes: 19
Option 2: No
votes: 27
Given the lively debate on this, may as well have a poll
Was going to put various options, but too many, it's either or.
The situation is far too complex for a yes or no answer.
I know, had 6 different ones and gave up, the more I though the more complex it became.
Where?
Quote from: laoislad on May 23, 2020, 12:14:48 PM
Where?
I diddnt put them up,
No, keep going and follow the guidelines.
No, keep going but lessen the period between each phase.
Yes, but shield the vulnerable and care homes.
Yes, but still adhere to social distancing.
Thats just four, a yes or no seemed the easiest.
The poll is too simplistic. Open what up? Under what conditions?
Of course, they need to end the lockdown, but they need a variety of detailed measures instead. As the meat factories showed you cannot just rely on people to do the right thing themselves.
Seen and heard numerous things going on during lockdown, people not doing the right things, pissing about putting others at risk.
Since the easing up, some people have really freaked out, as they clearly think the virus has gone.
You just can't trust people go do the right thing.
Quote from: BennyCake on May 23, 2020, 12:48:37 PM
Seen and heard numerous things going on during lockdown, people not doing the right things, pissing about putting others at risk.
Since the easing up, some people have really freaked out, as they clearly think the virus has gone.
You just can't trust people go do the right thing.
People are not Robots! The gradual infection of people and herd immunity is the only way. Keeping healthy people hidden away only leaves them susceptible to this in the winter when our immune system is weaker.
The initial point of the Lockdown was sold as our health system not to be overwhelmed with this pandemic, not to give up living as human beings for half a decade!
I need to finish the garden first.
Nearly there, just the edges around the new decking to finish, some coloured stones and bitta paving, but too windy to assemble the summerhouse! So will finish off tidying the front bedroom! Proper mess!
Then back to work ;D
Quote from: Square Ball on May 23, 2020, 12:31:28 PM
Quote from: laoislad on May 23, 2020, 12:14:48 PM
Where?
I diddnt put them up,
No, keep going and follow the guidelines.
No, keep going but lessen the period between each phase.
Yes, but shield the vulnerable and care homes.
Yes, but still adhere to social distancing.
Thats just four, a yes or no seemed the easiest.
I mean North or South..
I'm already back to work, restrictions are already starting to be eased here.
The M50 was far busier this week than in previous weeks so plenty of people back to work. Hardware shops/ garden centres all open this week also
Quote from: laoislad on May 23, 2020, 02:20:49 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on May 23, 2020, 12:31:28 PM
Quote from: laoislad on May 23, 2020, 12:14:48 PM
Where?
I diddnt put them up,
No, keep going and follow the guidelines.
No, keep going but lessen the period between each phase.
Yes, but shield the vulnerable and care homes.
Yes, but still adhere to social distancing.
Thats just four, a yes or no seemed the easiest.
I mean North or South..
I'm already back to work, restrictions are already starting to be eased here.
The M50 was far busier this week than in previous weeks so plenty of people back to work. Hardware shops/ garden centres all open this week also
Oops, everywhere.
From the Bunker i agree its like living in an Open Prison.If its half a decade to lockdown ends how would we survive that mentally.
Lockdown was put in place to slow the spread and save the NHS
The spread has slowed more than what was expected and the NHS with all due respect has not been put under much pressure and hospitals are affectively empty.
I think the general public now know that social distancing is here to stay and that will affectively keep the virus at harms way whilst also implementing track and trace
Things need to start opening at a quicker pace.
How is everyone finding their financial situation since lockdown?
Personally, with what appears to be a drastic reduction in outgoings, and with travel savings with working from home (consider myself very fortunate to be able to work from home), I'm seeing a surplus remaining at end of each month. To the point where I'm totally perplexed as to what that surplus was previously being spent on! Yes, that concerns me somewhat.
I'd imagine some people are saving money with outgoings down and no pubs/ clubs/ entertainment costs for kids, etc, but you'd have to worry for small businesses.
One thing that always bugged me was the supermarkets selling booze and the negative impact it would have on pubs, no more than how they wiped out an awful lot of small grocery shops and others.
I was talking to a neighbour who was saying that he has two daughters have been shopping online flat out. That's another thing that will hurt retailers. I know it's been happening ongoing for years, but this is going to tip the balance much more.
Quote from: balladmaker on May 23, 2020, 03:51:47 PM
How is everyone finding their financial situation since lockdown?
Personally, with what appears to be a drastic reduction in outgoings, and with travel savings with working from home (consider myself very fortunate to be able to work from home), I'm seeing a surplus remaining at end of each month. To the point where I'm totally perplexed as to what that surplus was previously being spent on! Yes, that concerns me somewhat.
Same here.
The virus has apparently brought forward online shopping by 5 years. Not a healthy situation for the already crippled town centres and local shops
I think the government are taking the right approach by easing the lockdown, but doing it in stages. We seem to be getting a handle on it an the no of new cases each day seems to be falling on a consistent levels from what they were originally.
For me a full removal of restrictions could lead to another surge in cases and undo all the work done to date. Better to be too severe on the public dealing with this than not severe enough
Next door neighbour has 5 kids ( I think, lost count) she has at a bare minimum, 3 deliveries a day, shopping comes delivered also, why would she go back to 'normal'?
As for money I'm earning less but have managed to stay in the black, not in overdraft, have spent serious money in the garden this month also.
Think when I get back to work I'll be more involved in the home finances! I don't know where the money goes!!
I've also saved on fuel and parking, still using the fuel from 9 weeks ago, have 75 miles left in the tank.
Anyone avail of the mortgage holiday? I didn't and still up!
No doubt the Covid tax will appear soon.
Have to laugh at the shop local and blah blah shite, most of them have upped their prices and no deals available. When this is over and supermarkets have a price war, everyone will be back, I have shopped in a supermarket other than the town Lidil which kept their prices as normal.
Our Neighbours have been on the Gravy train for the last 2 plus months. A teacher on full pay, a Public servant getting full pay and working at home (says he has 2/3 hours work a day), and three students on the €350. That's a lot of money to be paying people to do nothing.
Meanwhile plebs like myself have to get up in the morning a scrounge for a living, a will be hit hard with taxes to support my Neighbours mini holiday!
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 23, 2020, 07:14:53 PM
Our Neighbours have been on the Gravy train for the last 2 plus months. A teacher on full pay, a Public servant getting full pay and working at home (says he has 2/3 hours work a day), and three students on the €350. That's a lot of money to be paying people to do nothing.
Meanwhile plebs like myself have to get up in the morning a scrounge for a living, a will be hit hard with taxes to support my Neighbours mini holiday!
It's just unfortunate for some during this, some jobs run as normal some close, many getting the 80% and Some struggling to make a living, it's not fair
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 23, 2020, 07:31:03 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 23, 2020, 07:14:53 PM
Our Neighbours have been on the Gravy train for the last 2 plus months. A teacher on full pay, a Public servant getting full pay and working at home (says he has 2/3 hours work a day), and three students on the €350. That's a lot of money to be paying people to do nothing.
Meanwhile plebs like myself have to get up in the morning a scrounge for a living, a will be hit hard with taxes to support my Neighbours mini holiday!
It's just unfortunate for some during this, some jobs run as normal some close, many getting the 80% and Some struggling to make a living, it's not fair
To be fair they have a Mortgage, food bills and need their security. They have said that the rest has been great and the lack of day to day stresses are welcome. I suppose the good weather has been a bonus also. Must be great to know you are financially sound in all this, that you have a job to go back to and that you are not running up debts week in week out!
It's only in theory that the line ''We are in this together'' exists!
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 23, 2020, 04:43:49 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on May 23, 2020, 03:51:47 PM
How is everyone finding their financial situation since lockdown?
Personally, with what appears to be a drastic reduction in outgoings, and with travel savings with working from home (consider myself very fortunate to be able to work from home), I'm seeing a surplus remaining at end of each month. To the point where I'm totally perplexed as to what that surplus was previously being spent on! Yes, that concerns me somewhat.
Same here.
And me.
I think this whole episode is going to make people alot more financially astute. Getting into massive debt for a car, house etc that you cant afford will hopefully be a thing of the past.
Quote from: dublin7 on May 23, 2020, 06:34:24 PM
I think the government are taking the right approach by easing the lockdown, but doing it in stages. We seem to be getting a handle on it an the no of new cases each day seems to be falling on a consistent levels from what they were originally.
For me a full removal of restrictions could lead to another surge in cases and undo all the work done to date. Better to be too severe on the public dealing with this than not severe enough
I agree with this. Gradual baby steps are very much the right way to go, both in public health terms and in psychological terms because it reinforces how tenuous and potentially reversible any return to quasi-normality is. It reinforces the point that we are dealing with a monster of a mass killer for which we currently have no treatment.
Quote from: BennyCake on May 23, 2020, 04:43:50 PM
The virus has apparently brought forward online shopping by 5 years. Not a healthy situation for the already crippled town centres and local shops
Some shops don't deserve your business. I checked the opening hours of one shop which was open, they had reduced their hours but couldn't be arsed putting the revised hours on their website so you have to go up and read a bit of paper on the door to see that they are closed.
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 23, 2020, 07:14:53 PM
Our Neighbours have been on the Gravy train for the last 2 plus months. A teacher on full pay, a Public servant getting full pay and working at home (says he has 2/3 hours work a day), and three students on the €350. That's a lot of money to be paying people to do nothing.
Meanwhile plebs like myself have to get up in the morning a scrounge for a living, a will be hit hard with taxes to support my Neighbours mini holiday!
Got to say that would piss me off too. Plenty of students who would have earned anything from 50 to 200 a week, claiming the 350. Should never have been 350 in the first place. The missus and I have not stopped working either while most of our neighbours are teachers and other simple servants that can work from home. I suppose it is what it is lucky to have 2 jobs.
The one thing lockdown has really driven home is the lack of postive information,especially from 'officials'.
Where has been the calls to improve your immune system, your personal health, your diet, your drinking habits, your smoking habits....your sugar intake....etc etc.
With the benefit of hindsight obviously, it's actually insane the lockdown was implemented without any kind of reference to the above. Lockdown seems to have been a one size fits all approach, then you see in the states they are having beach parties on the regular, in England the beaches packed.....Everyone thinks they have the right answer I suppose,
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 24, 2020, 01:31:10 PM
The one thing lockdown has really driven home is the lack of postive information,especially from 'officials'.
Where has been the calls to improve your immune system, your personal health, your diet, your drinking habits, your smoking habits....your sugar intake....etc etc.
With the benefit of hindsight obviously, it's actually insane the lockdown was implemented without any kind of reference to the above. Lockdown seems to have been a one size fits all approach, then you see in the states they are having beach parties on the regular, in England the beaches packed.....Everyone thinks they have the right answer I suppose,
Yes! Good post! 50% of coping with this pandemic is having your body fit to deal with it. Eating, Resting and exercising properly. As well as being ready for the threat of getting the virus, your mental health will be be better also.
If I hear the term we're all in the same boat again, I'll go bananas. How is a person with three kids under five in the same boat as someone with no kids and they're both in the same job. How is the person with elderly relatives in the same boat as someone with none. Joke as some people are slaughtered and others are not
we do all have the same problems, it's how we deal with them that's different ;)
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on May 24, 2020, 04:12:05 PM
we do all have the same problems, it's how we deal with them that's different ;)
Aye, those posters that are about to lose their jobs/business/savings should have listen to your posts before! Proper thicko's the lot of them
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 24, 2020, 01:31:10 PM
The one thing lockdown has really driven home is the lack of postive information,especially from 'officials'.
Where has been the calls to improve your immune system, your personal health, your diet, your drinking habits, your smoking habits....your sugar intake....etc etc.
With the benefit of hindsight obviously, it's actually insane the lockdown was implemented without any kind of reference to the above. Lockdown seems to have been a one size fits all approach, then you see in the states they are having beach parties on the regular, in England the beaches packed.....Everyone thinks they have the right answer I suppose,
The one size fits all is perplexing.
Slight digression from the above, but how can the Government have one law governing mega pubs in Dublin and the same laws governing a small pub in rural Ireland.
If you got ten or fifteen people in a small pub in the west of Ireland from Monday thru Thursday, it would almost be an anomaly.
Safety first for sure, but as stated by someone earlier, how does one measure the health impact of the loss of a business or a livelihood.
The lockdown is all but finished, was out running through Belfast last night, loads of groups of people gathered no social distancing etc, even on the ormeau embankment there were groups of young ones drinking, at the back of the concentrix building there was at least 15-20 with their music blasting and carry outs flowing. Heard of people having parties for birthdays etc too, fella said he was having his soms 18th out in the garden at the weekend I said Jesus the winds wild mightn't be great, ah sure we'll just move in after an hour or so anyway. I'm sure I'm not the only one come across this like
Mac, I heard of this sort of carry on during lockdown. It doesn't surprise me it seems to be rife now. Fuckin idiots
Quote from: themac_23 on May 24, 2020, 05:38:16 PM
The lockdown is all but finished, was out running through Belfast last night, loads of groups of people gathered no social distancing etc, even on the ormeau embankment there were groups of young ones drinking, at the back of the concentrix building there was at least 15-20 with their music blasting and carry outs flowing. Heard of people having parties for birthdays etc too, fella said he was having his soms 18th out in the garden at the weekend I said Jesus the winds wild mightn't be great, ah sure we'll just move in after an hour or so anyway. I'm sure I'm not the only one come across this like
A lot of the kids (teenagers) have been breaking the rules from the start but there is less people about than normal. I walk around 9 miles a day, I don't see it where I am, traffic is like summertime, more than before but a lot less than normal. Shops are still enforcing social distancing and when I'm walking it's also be observed.
You'll still get ones having parties, unfortunately.
Health centres will be returning back to normal soon, non essential shops opening soon cause the curve has flattened, won't be long before new normal happens!
I think Dom has expedited the new normal too.
Same around here milltown lots of young ones now out and about in gangs of 5 and 6 but lots of gangs. Carryouts and partying also happening now
The lockdown as such I believe is over
Maybe some of these groups back in schools wouldn't be a bad thing
We are going against our nature! So naturally the young will rebel! I'd actually think less of them if they did not. This was originally sold as flattening the curve so we could buy time to be able to deal with it. Now it has turned into a kicking the can down the road exercise.
We now have:
Public servants who are on Full Wages but don't want to work.
People on €350 who don't want to go back to work.
People on €350 who don't have work to go back to.
People with business's going down the Swanee and they are being told not to work.
People working from home.
And people going to work all the time day in day out with no change to their working lives.
The youth have been great bunker to flatten the curve
As you said we are now trying to kick it down the road
The lockdown measures were to flatten and and safe the health system and that is clearly what has happened
They are lifting lockdown measures far to slow
A 3 weeks gap as so stupid. We not start lifting things every week instead of one big lift every 3 weeks
Quote from: themac_23 on May 24, 2020, 05:38:16 PM
The lockdown is all but finished, was out running through Belfast last night, loads of groups of people gathered no social distancing etc, even on the ormeau embankment there were groups of young ones drinking, at the back of the concentrix building there was at least 15-20 with their music blasting and carry outs flowing. Heard of people having parties for birthdays etc too, fella said he was having his soms 18th out in the garden at the weekend I said Jesus the winds wild mightn't be great, ah sure we'll just move in after an hour or so anyway. I'm sure I'm not the only one come across this like
Ormeau park is jammed every evening. Those pitches have lads playing football all the time too.
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 24, 2020, 10:57:55 PM
We are going against our nature! So naturally the young will rebel! I'd actually think less of them if they did not. This was originally sold as flattening the curve so we could buy time to be able to deal with it. Now it has turned into a kicking the can down the road exercise.
We now have:
Public servants who are on Full Wages but don't want to work.
People on €350 who don't want to go back to work.
People on €350 who don't have work to go back to.
People with business's going down the Swanee and they are being told not to work.
People working from home.
And people going to work all the time day in day out with no change to their working lives.
And people going to work over 7,000 of whom have been infected by this virus.
Some of them on sh1te pay.
Seeing Dominic Cummings getting heckled by his own street has made my weekend.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 25, 2020, 12:05:32 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 24, 2020, 10:57:55 PM
We are going against our nature! So naturally the young will rebel! I'd actually think less of them if they did not. This was originally sold as flattening the curve so we could buy time to be able to deal with it. Now it has turned into a kicking the can down the road exercise.
We now have:
Public servants who are on Full Wages but don't want to work.
People on €350 who don't want to go back to work.
People on €350 who don't have work to go back to.
People with business's going down the Swanee and they are being told not to work.
People working from home.
And people going to work all the time day in day out with no change to their working lives.
And people going to work over 7,000 of whom have been infected by this virus.
Some of them on sh1te pay.
They are the real heroes. They put their health and their families health at risk for you and me.
''It's kind of beautiful when you think about it''''We are all in this together.''
Have to say there's been some advantages to this lockdown. Weight is considerably down due to being at home and eating properly. Managed to build a relationship with my two year old that just wasn't there previously etc. Being self employed I have to say that I think the level of support in the North was very poor and very inconsistent with that offered to employed individuals. That initially brought considerable stress but thankfully been able to do enough work from home to keep the wolves from the door. Does make you realise though how much of a nonsense the idea we are all in this together is.
All that said I've also been unfortunate enough to have immediate family require hospital treatment. This whole situation has made the experience of that even more unbearable. Being unable to visit sick relatives can be very very difficult.
Have a friend in London, he told me about Wandsworth Common. Sunbathing en mass - BARS ARE OPEN albeit for takeaway.
Ridiculous situation that.
The lockdown is over. It's just going to continue to creak along until it fully breaks.
The €350 issue in the south highlights how wrong it is that a lot of people can be better off not working, compared to their normal full time job. There's something fundamentally wrong with that, and that comes from the powers above in FG and FF.
I know there are plenty of instances where it's being abused by part time workers or students, but I am referring more so to those in full time employment.
All the rules and budgets we have adhered to, were made by a Government that was not elected for this term. We even have a Social Welfare Minister Regina Doherty who is no longer a TD. The opposition - who ever they, are as silent as Harpo Marx.
Why is there no talk about all the money we are still borrowing? Why are Public servants getting full pay for doing half or no work? Why are we not getting figures for HSE taking over Private Hospitals?
Sinn Féin want the €350 kept for everyone till the end of the year.
Government reviewing it so expect the Students, part time workers etc getting a cut.
Private Hospitals allegedly costing €115m per month.
As for no discussions on things.... maybe there is something else dominating life and conversations these days (outside the Bunker that is)
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 25, 2020, 06:09:35 PM
Why is there no talk about all the money we are still borrowing? Why are Public servants getting full pay for doing half or no work? Why are we not getting figures for HSE taking over Private Hospitals?
Most public servants are working, perhaps driving testers aren't, and many have been redeployed.
The Private Hospital thing was a complete debacle, as for doctrinaire reasons they only offered a contract to the doctors than prevented them treating their existing patients while consultants for public hospitals continued to treat private patients, or at least have the possibility to do so. No doubt there will be nobody will be identified as being responsible for this.