Just heard on otb that after next year they want to be play the club finals in an calendar year
My propasal would be to play them on st stephens day st stephens has that saturday feel about it anyway and its a big sports day
id have all the 6 finals on that day if possible in croke park junior intermediate senor in hurling and football
Playing it the day after Christmas is never going to happen, it's not fair on players or supporters. Maybe Christmas Eve would work..
Dec 8
Quote from: sligoman2 on July 01, 2019, 11:45:27 PM
Playing it the day after Christmas is never going to happen, it's not fair on players or supporters. Maybe Christmas Eve would work..
Christmas Eve would be just as unworkable imo.
December 8 isn't a public holiday. Maybe first Sunday in December?
Independence Day should be a holiday...play the finals that day.
It is actually very disrespectful in my opinion to the club game to have the club finals tagged on to the end of the year. Between the rush of getting it all pushed through and the possible weather complications the game will be a disaster potentially and there is no real interest in player welfare as it is just pushing it through to get it finished, I give you our game v Ballinderry as an example of what can happen
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/crossmaglen-prove-their-mettle-again-1.1033573
Personally I think it's a good idea, currently the provincial championships are done end of November or so, then waiting over 8-9 weeks, quiet Christmas etc training etc with little game time for a semi final, far too much of a gap, let's try it and see how it goes, also frees all club players up for the county before national league with a break between club and county commitments
New Years Day might be a good option (though technically would be 01/01/2022!) give players SOME kind of Christmas time but then some training etc on the dull in between days of Christmas, plus no one does anything on that day...........
Totally in favour.
Having a years competition ending 10 weeks into the next year smacks of the early 1900s.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 02, 2019, 11:10:20 AM
Having a years competition ending 10 weeks into the next year smacks of the early 1900s.
The current year argument is always funny to see.
I personally would hate to have to play on a football field inthe middle of December in the wind and rain and gutters to decide upon the possibly biggest prize I would ever win. It would be a retrograd step in my view and would further isolate the club player and copper fasten the notion of elitism for the county player. The reality is that it only impacts year on year about 150 players per competition so what is the big deal letting it run on to March 17th?
This will only suit clubs whose county teams are out of the AI Championship early every year such as Derry and Armagh.
Quote from: Over the Bar on July 02, 2019, 12:17:24 PM
This will only suit clubs whose county teams are out of the AI Championship early in the year such as Derry and Armagh.
The current way doesn't help Tyrone clubs anyway.....Derry and Armagh clubs with AI senior titles - 9, Tyrone Clubs - 0.
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on July 02, 2019, 12:40:10 PM
If the Ladies GFA can can complete all their All-Ireland club competitions by the end of the calendar year, then there's no logistical reason why the GAA cannot do the same.
using Armagh as an example there are 26 teams in the Ladies football in total. In the men's football there are 46. I would make an educated guess that this is reflected across the country in terms of participation in each county. Also the number of ladies county games are significantly less than the men's games so the time demands are less therefore the club competitions can be run off quicker.
I really do not see the issue with running the competition into March? What impact does it have negatively on the game to retain it as it is?
Is the weather always better in March than in December? You can't say in this country.
I think the idea is to pull the provincials forward a couple of weeks so it can all be completed by end on November/early December. And it makes sense. If the organisation is going to sort out the mess with fixtures there will have to be changes. It might be unpalatable for some to break the St Patrick's Day link but to me it makes less sense keeping club teams going for 8/10 weeks over Christmas after they've already had a long year.
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 02, 2019, 01:22:09 PM
Is the weather always better in March than in December? You can't say in this country.
You can actually. It's normally way drier if not much warmer, which means also that pitches are in better shape both for training and for the games themselves. As well as that the evenings are a lot longer.
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 02, 2019, 01:22:09 PM
Is the weather always better in March than in December? You can't say in this country.
I think the idea is to pull the provincials forward a couple of weeks so it can all be completed by end on November/early December. And it makes sense. If the organisation is going to sort out the mess with fixtures there will have to be changes. It might be unpalatable for some to break the St Patrick's Day link but to me it makes less sense keeping club teams going for 8/10 weeks over Christmas after they've already had a long year.
The thing is Seanie the AI club series does not have a huge impact on the fixtures. The National League goes on around it, across all levels there are maximum 12 teams involved so that's not going to impact much and the reality is that only Kerry are likely to have 3 teams at Junior, Intermediate and senior all at once. The fixtures mess comes not from the AI club series but from a county by county differential in terms of how they organise fixtures round the county games. Less BS county competitions like the McKenna Cup in Ulster and streamline that side of things
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 02, 2019, 01:36:46 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 02, 2019, 01:22:09 PM
Is the weather always better in March than in December? You can't say in this country.
I think the idea is to pull the provincials forward a couple of weeks so it can all be completed by end on November/early December. And it makes sense. If the organisation is going to sort out the mess with fixtures there will have to be changes. It might be unpalatable for some to break the St Patrick's Day link but to me it makes less sense keeping club teams going for 8/10 weeks over Christmas after they've already had a long year.
The thing is Seanie the AI club series does not have a huge impact on the fixtures. The National League goes on around it, across all levels there are maximum 12 teams involved so that's not going to impact much and the reality is that only Kerry are likely to have 3 teams at Junior, Intermediate and senior all at once. The fixtures mess comes not from the AI club series but from a county by county differential in terms of how they organise fixtures round the county games. Less BS county competitions like the McKenna Cup in Ulster and streamline that side of things
I think it's part of an overall approach. I those those subsidiary county competitions should go and perhaps have Sigerson played in that window. Running Sigerson alongside the National League is crazy.
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 02, 2019, 01:39:38 PM
I think it's part of an overall approach. I those those subsidiary county competitions should go and perhaps have Sigerson played in that window. Running Sigerson alongside the National League is crazy.
The subsidiary county competitions are merely challenge matches. If you scrap them, teams will play their own challenge matches. The Sigerson and Fitzgibbon should be scrapped unless they can be completed by the end of January.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 02, 2019, 12:29:27 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on July 02, 2019, 12:17:24 PM
This will only suit clubs whose county teams are out of the AI Championship early in the year such as Derry and Armagh.
The current way doesn't help Tyrone clubs anyway.....Derry and Armagh clubs with AI senior titles - 9, Tyrone Clubs - 0.
That's 'cos we're having to rush the club championship in Oct while youse lads have been signing on the dole/ diesel smuggling all summer as no football to play. ;D
Quote from: Over the Bar on July 02, 2019, 02:54:20 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 02, 2019, 12:29:27 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on July 02, 2019, 12:17:24 PM
This will only suit clubs whose county teams are out of the AI Championship early in the year such as Derry and Armagh.
The current way doesn't help Tyrone clubs anyway.....Derry and Armagh clubs with AI senior titles - 9, Tyrone Clubs - 0.
That's 'cos we're having to rush the club championship in Oct while youse lads have been signing on the dole/ diesel smuggling all summer as no football to play. ;D
It was funnier when we were signing on the door!!!
Whether it has a huge impact on county teams is debatable. A max of 3/4 players not involved with their county team will give the squad a chance to get play lads into the panel.
The impact on the club can be big on two fronts, financially it's expensive to run and the likes of Cross must do some fundraising to prepare for this.
But the rewards are massive, the knock effect for future stars within the club, looking to achieve the same as their hero's is great to see. Watching your club step out on Croke is brilliant any day of the week, but on Paddy's Day it's just electric. I'm glad we managed it a few times
The League finals are now wrapped by first week of April, as its a designated Month for Club players. A County team wouldn't have got any use out of Club players involved in All Ireland series, as the League would have been nearly over by time they were back
Not much chance for Club players to enjoy Christmas with semi finals in first week of January . They should have wrapped it up in one calendar year
I can tell you as someone who enjoyed 4 AI club campaigns each and every Christmas I had a blast. If you haven't been involved in the buzz around a parish in the build up to a club final then you cannot really appreciate how much it can lift a place. I remember AK did an interview where he said the the runs to Ulster and the AI were fantastic for the area, particularly for the older men as it gave them something to discuss and loo forward to in the dark winter months and would have helped them mentally as they had something to look forward to. The benefits far outweigh any negatives. I genuinely do not see any negatives as it has very little impact on the running of the county teams.