What an example Hungary have set for the rest of Europe. A common sense approach to help families.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/hungary-offers-lifetime-tax-exemption-for-mothers-of-four-children-1.3789547
I doubt you'll be seeing this from FG/FF any time soon.
How's St Petersburg today? Must be chilly up there.
doubt you'll see it from the Rep party in USA either
On a serious note the demographic time bomb of an aging population is going to have massive economic consequences for developed countries, its been papered over by immigration for decades.
Japan is probably an example of it happening at the moment. For china tho is going to be even worse
Quote from: omaghjoe on February 14, 2019, 06:11:55 PM
doubt you'll see it from the Rep party in USA either
You'll not see it anywhere. Vaccines, abortion, one/child policy are the order of the day.
Quote from: BennyCake on February 14, 2019, 06:31:25 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on February 14, 2019, 06:11:55 PM
doubt you'll see it from the Rep party in USA either
You'll not see it anywhere. Vaccines, abortion, one/child policy are the order of the day.
Some cynics believe that the promotion of abortion for women in western civiliations is linked to the reluctance of multi-nationals to spend money on maternity leave and related benefits. The less kids the more chance they will stay at work.
Governments don't care about the family structure anymore, as long as they get their cut. Very few media outlets ever talk about it.
Quote from: Dolph1 on February 14, 2019, 10:02:57 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on February 14, 2019, 06:31:25 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on February 14, 2019, 06:11:55 PM
doubt you'll see it from the Rep party in USA either
You'll not see it anywhere. Vaccines, abortion, one/child policy are the order of the day.
Some cynics believe that the promotion of abortion for women in western civiliations is linked to the reluctance of multi-nationals to spend money on maternity leave and related benefits. The less kids the more chance they will stay at work.
Governments don't care about the family structure anymore, as long as they get their cut. Very few media outlets ever talk about it.
A testosterone driven alpha male like yourself there Dolph must have some size of brood ready to keep topping up the pension pots for half of the US, no?
Quote from: Dolph1 on February 14, 2019, 06:02:59 PM
What an example Hungary have set for the rest of Europe. A common sense approach to help families.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/hungary-offers-lifetime-tax-exemption-for-mothers-of-four-children-1.3789547
I doubt you'll be seeing this from FG/FF any time soon.
Would you favour tax breaks for having children over income support for having children?
Quote from: LeoMc on February 15, 2019, 11:18:17 AM
Quote from: Dolph1 on February 14, 2019, 06:02:59 PM
What an example Hungary have set for the rest of Europe. A common sense approach to help families.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/hungary-offers-lifetime-tax-exemption-for-mothers-of-four-children-1.3789547
I doubt you'll be seeing this from FG/FF any time soon.
Would you favour tax breaks for having children over income support for having children?
I'd favour breaks tax breaks for having children. Has to be a family unit. None of this baby farming where you have single women having kids to get on the council housing list.
Support family units with credits towards crèche and after school care. Make it viable for families to thrive.
Quote from: johnnycool on February 15, 2019, 11:16:11 AM
Quote from: Dolph1 on February 14, 2019, 10:02:57 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on February 14, 2019, 06:31:25 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on February 14, 2019, 06:11:55 PM
doubt you'll see it from the Rep party in USA either
You'll not see it anywhere. Vaccines, abortion, one/child policy are the order of the day.
Some cynics believe that the promotion of abortion for women in western civiliations is linked to the reluctance of multi-nationals to spend money on maternity leave and related benefits. The less kids the more chance they will stay at work.
Governments don't care about the family structure anymore, as long as they get their cut. Very few media outlets ever talk about it.
A testosterone driven alpha male like yourself there Dolph must have some size of brood ready to keep topping up the pension pots for half of the US, no?
Such an "alpha male" that he's begging the government to help him out in his doomed quest to ever have sexual intercourse.
Maybe the floot should move to Fascist Nirvana Hungary.
Nobodies wages increase for having extra children so why should it on the state ?
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 15, 2019, 03:35:15 PM
Nobodies wages increase for having extra children so why should it on the state ?
Because of the economic importance and subsequent political stability.
Didn't Ceaucescu come up with similar daftness in Romania in the 80s.
Wasn't much stability afterwards :D
I presume the anti EU Hungarian PM will use EU taxpayers money to fund his Hitlerite scheme.
Its a long term strategy that takes generations to see its benefits, or to put it better..... lack of consequences.
Quote from: Rossfan on February 15, 2019, 04:54:45 PM
Didn't Ceaucescu come up with similar daftness in Romania in the 80s.
Wasn't much stability afterwards :D
I presume the anti EU Hungarian PM will use EU taxpayers money to fund his Hitlerite scheme.
How is it "hitlerite" ?
If you complain about a declining population you take steps to help remediate the problem. Make it possible for larger families to exist.
Having indigenous stable families will lead to a more productive and harmonious country.
What's your solution?
Hitler wanted all good Aryan Germans to produce loads of "indigenous " babies.
He had his SS men father a load of kids.
This latter day Horthy is coming up with similar nonsense.
Quote from: Rossfan on February 15, 2019, 05:59:15 PM
Hitler wanted all good Aryan Germans to produce loads of "indigenous " babies.
He had his SS men father a load of kids.
This latter day Horthy is coming up with similar nonsense.
Ok - so if there are not loads of indigenous babies produced what is your solution?
There is an obvious ethno-nationalist reason for this Hungarian government policy and if they dont develop the economic opportunities at home it will be fool-hearty as the young will emigrate as we in these shores know.
So to enact a policy like this independent of other countries especially neighbouring countries who have similar population stagnation problems but have stronger economies means that they will just be creating a labour pool for your neighbours
However to over focus on this Hungarian governments reasons is to ignore the problem of slowing population growth and an ever aging population.
The entire world population is slowing rapidly so immigration cant solve this problem for all countries especially large ones.
If "The entire world population is slowing rapidly" where will immigrants come from?
Uranus?
Quote from: Dolph1 on February 15, 2019, 04:58:33 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 15, 2019, 04:54:45 PM
Didn't Ceaucescu come up with similar daftness in Romania in the 80s.
Wasn't much stability afterwards :D
I presume the anti EU Hungarian PM will use EU taxpayers money to fund his Hitlerite scheme.
How is it "hitlerite" ?
If you complain about a declining population you take steps to help remediate the problem. Make it possible for larger families to exist.
Having indigenous stable families will lead to a more productive and harmonious country.
What's your solution?
Paid family leave to make it easier for people to have babies. Healthcare for all. Subsidized daycare. Free education provided by the state. A living wage so that parents don't have to work two and three jobs and stand a chance of actually seeing their children during their waking hours. In other words, all the things that miserable hate-filled conservatives like you have been railing against for years.
The hypocrisy of you people is quite remarkable. On the one hand you throw "family values" around as an election slogan, but as soon as you cheat your way into political office you do everything to subvert family life at every turn. You're nothing but a shower of conservatives.
Quote from: Dolph1 on February 15, 2019, 06:08:14 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 15, 2019, 05:59:15 PM
Hitler wanted all good Aryan Germans to produce loads of "indigenous " babies.
He had his SS men father a load of kids.
This latter day Horthy is coming up with similar nonsense.
Ok - so if there are not loads of indigenous babies produced what is your solution?
I think your use of the word indiginious is telling.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 17, 2019, 02:05:29 PM
Quote from: Dolph1 on February 15, 2019, 06:08:14 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 15, 2019, 05:59:15 PM
Hitler wanted all good Aryan Germans to produce loads of "indigenous " babies.
He had his SS men father a load of kids.
This latter day Horthy is coming up with similar nonsense.
Ok - so if there are not loads of indigenous babies produced what is your solution?
I think your use of the word indiginious is telling.
Shouldn't that bile be raised at the poster who first utilised the phrase?
Quote from: omaghjoe on February 15, 2019, 04:44:46 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 15, 2019, 03:35:15 PM
Nobodies wages increase for having extra children so why should it on the state ?
Because of the economic importance and subsequent political stability.
Explain to be how a family being a family of say 6 is more politically stable than a family of 5?
Quote from: Dolph1 on February 15, 2019, 06:08:14 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 15, 2019, 05:59:15 PM
Hitler wanted all good Aryan Germans to produce loads of "indigenous " babies.
He had his SS men father a load of kids.
This latter day Horthy is coming up with similar nonsense.
Ok - so if there are not loads of indigenous babies produced what is your solution?
Immigration is the short term solution. Longer term the problem reduces but doesn't go away. But immigration buys you time
Immigration not allowed in "Indigenous " Horthyite Hungary.
Orban is a terrible person. If you find yourself agreeing with him the chances are you are a cnut.
Global birth rates are too high. The long term sustainability of the planet is at stake. The standard of living of everyone on the planet is at stake. Having more "indigenous" babies born in country A to do the work when humans already exist in other countries to do the work is short term parochial thinking
Quote from: Rossfan on February 19, 2019, 09:18:23 PM
Immigration not allowed in "Indigenous " Horthyite Hungary.
Still he has the support of the DUP and the Tory MEPs so probably a good lad
Quote from: LCohen on February 19, 2019, 09:12:50 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on February 15, 2019, 04:44:46 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 15, 2019, 03:35:15 PM
Nobodies wages increase for having extra children so why should it on the state ?
Because of the economic importance and subsequent political stability.
Explain to be how a family being a family of say 6 is more politically stable than a family of 5?
Macro
Political stability is a consequence of economic stability. A primary factor in economic stability is working population growth. Increased birth rate will lead to a larger working population
Quote from: omaghjoe on February 19, 2019, 10:14:28 PM
Quote from: LCohen on February 19, 2019, 09:12:50 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on February 15, 2019, 04:44:46 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 15, 2019, 03:35:15 PM
Nobodies wages increase for having extra children so why should it on the state ?
Because of the economic importance and subsequent political stability.
Explain to be how a family being a family of say 6 is more politically stable than a family of 5?
Macro
Political stability is a consequence of economic stability. A primary factor in economic stability is working population growth. Increased birth rate will lead to a larger working population
Increasing the global birth rate will increase political and economic stability????
Any views on standards of living across the globe? Biodiversity across the global? Global pollution?
Quote from: LCohen on February 19, 2019, 10:25:50 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on February 19, 2019, 10:14:28 PM
Quote from: LCohen on February 19, 2019, 09:12:50 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on February 15, 2019, 04:44:46 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 15, 2019, 03:35:15 PM
Nobodies wages increase for having extra children so why should it on the state ?
Because of the economic importance and subsequent political stability.
Explain to be how a family being a family of say 6 is more politically stable than a family of 5?
Macro
Political stability is a consequence of economic stability. A primary factor in economic stability is working population growth. Increased birth rate will lead to a larger working population
Increasing the global birth rate will increase political and economic stability????
Any views on standards of living across the globe? Biodiversity across the global? Global pollution?
Yes in fact it is factored as one of the main causes of the industrial revolution, don't take my word for it tho, have a quick google.
Standards of living usually increase also with population increase.
Biodiversity/pollution are not usually large factors in economic stability. They also do not necessarily have to damaged by commerce. But for sure they frequently are and could be consequences with potential knock on affects.
Quote from: omaghjoe on February 19, 2019, 10:14:28 PM
Quote from: LCohen on February 19, 2019, 09:12:50 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on February 15, 2019, 04:44:46 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 15, 2019, 03:35:15 PM
Nobodies wages increase for having extra children so why should it on the state ?
Because of the economic importance and subsequent political stability.
Explain to be how a family being a family of say 6 is more politically stable than a family of 5?
Macro
Political stability is a consequence of economic stability. A primary factor in economic stability is working population growth. Increased birth rate will lead to a larger working population
That didnt work out too well in Ireland from 1840s to the 1950s did it?
The population must be industrialized. If the population is subsistence then you run into a capacity issue. But in effect it forces the population to solve these problems by becoming industrialised, and hence leading to increased commerce.
You'd have got on great with Trevalyn.