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Dublin to field three hurling teams
The Dublin county board is considering fielding three senior hurling teams in 2008.
As well as fielding in the Leinster championship, the Metropolitans could also enter teams into the Christy Ring and Nicky Rackard Cups. It's proposed that a team from South Dublin will play in the Christy Ring Cup, with a North Dublin selection competing in the third tier Nicky Rackard Cup.
A few years ago, the GAA's Strategic Review Committee proposed that Dublin should consider fielding two teams in certain competitions and this has already happened at underage level.
A good idea i think. Give as many players as possible the opportunity to play intercounty hurling. It's all very well having a great underage system but you can have a situation where players becoming disinterested/disillusioned because they don't make the senior team within their first couple of years out of minor level. This way they still get to play hurling at a high level and the experience will stand to them if they move up the ladder. Hope the DCB have the balls to run with it.
With that many players playing inter-county it should help raise the standard of club hurling in Dublin which is obviously a major steping stone to raising the standard of the senior county team.
Sure why not just play amongst yourselves next year.
Get a new competition going, you could call it the Capital Cup or Jackeen Jug
That way at least you know there would be silverware every year!
Personnaly I think this is a good idea. I'd love to see Dublin win an All Ireland hurling title. It would do the game the power of good.
Will these teams be subject to regulation and promotion ? Could we have 2 Dublin teams in Ring or Even the McCarthy?
Quote from: full back on May 17, 2007, 10:12:59 AM
Sure why not just play amongst yourselves next year.
Get a new competition going, you could call it the Capital Cup or Jackeen Jug
That way at least you know there would be silverware every year!
Eh yea, i think thats called the county championship. :P
Quote from: tayto on May 17, 2007, 11:13:18 AM
Quote from: full back on May 17, 2007, 10:12:59 AM
Sure why not just play amongst yourselves next year.
Get a new competition going, you could call it the Capital Cup or Jackeen Jug
That way at least you know there would be silverware every year!
Eh yea, i think thats called the county championship. :P
With only 3 teams - interesting ???
Ye, there's only three clubs in dublin, didnt you know?
anyways seems the DCB have poo pooped the idea saying there'll be a north dublin in the rackard and that's all.
Quote from: tayto on May 17, 2007, 11:19:33 AM
Ye, there's only three clubs in dublin, didnt you know?
anyways seems the DCB have poo pooped the idea saying there'll be a north dublin in the rackard and that's all.
Why ? Any links to it?
Its seems mad
Dublin board rejects three teams claim
Thursday, 17 May 2007 09:26
The Dublin County Board have rejected reports that they intend to enter three teams into the Hurling Championship next year.
They have confirmed that their senior team will compete for the Liam McCarthy Cup, with a North Dublin selection taking part in the Nicky Rackard Cup.
They have dismissed suggestions that another team would play in the Christy Ring Cup.
Dublin County Board secretary John Costello released a statement on the issue yesterday.
It read: 'Reports that Dublin will enter three teams in the All-Ireland hurling championships in 2008 are incorrect. Congress 2007 decided that Dublin that Dublin will enter the Liam MacCarthy competition and a representative team from North Dublin will participate in the Nicky Rackard Cup.
'Our county committee will be seeking an assurance that this is not a surreptitious attempt by the Hurling Development Committee to pressurise Dublin to enter a team in the Christy Ring Cup also.'
'Dublin have consistently argued that the proposed format for Division One of the National Hurling League for 2008 does nothing for the second-tier hurling counties and its revised format was designed for the elite counties only. Perhaps Dublin should apologise for surviving in Division One of the Hurling League.'
The GAA confirmed yesterday that a second team from Down would also compete in the Nicky Rackard Cup.
Quote from: Declan on May 17, 2007, 11:46:43 AM
Perhaps Dublin should apologise for surviving in Division One of the Hurling League.'
::) ::) ::)
feck sake john, less of the whinging.
I cant really see what harm having a 3rd team would do/
i thought it was passed that dublin south would be in the league next year. makes little or no sense to have only a fingal team. oh well.
probably stupid question but is the Fingal panel going to include guys in the full Dublin setup?
do northsiders in the DCC area get to play for them?
Im opposed to this. Its franchise hurling and the start of a slippery slope. Fingal isnt a county no matter how much they say it is.
no, dublin get the frist choice, the regional team selects from what's left. hardly a franchise.
Quote from: dublinfella on May 17, 2007, 01:21:38 PM
probably stupid question but is the Fingal panel going to include guys in the full Dublin setup?
do northsiders in the DCC area get to play for them?
Im opposed to this. Its franchise hurling and the start of a slippery slope. Fingal isnt a county no matter how much they say it is.
Hurling cant continue like its is for much long in my opinion. The sooner Dublin, Antrim ,Derry can get up to speed the better for the entire game.
Like what? with only four contenders a year? It's done the same for years and years, with the odd bout of madness like th e90s, it would be great if we had eight counties with a real chance of winning liam but no sport has that many real contenders. Dont forget Waterford won their first national title in 40 years last month. Also had record numbers watching the final last year, more then the football for the first time ever! :o
neither is london or new york .
fingal could be a county but if they become one they should leave dublin. otherwise its just half a dublin B team. I see much more room for divvying up cork than dublin much more natural divisions . though they are all *&*&^%
dont think you get a much more natural divide then dublin north and south but cork would be much more competitive alright.
Quote from: tayto on May 17, 2007, 01:29:46 PM
no, dublin get the frist choice, the regional team selects from what's left. hardly a franchise.
Its a non-county playing in a county championship. Someone sat down and thought this up. Thats a franchise.
Fingall CC were advertising in the papers to create a team for the LoI 'A' league thats coming up. These moves have more to do with creating a Fingalish identity than strengthining hurling.
Hardly new that Fingal has a bit of their own identity, There used to be a fingal selection in the Dublin championship, the Dublin underage dev squads are split between north south and west, there's an under age split with dublin city and county etc etc ...
Quote from: dublinfella on May 17, 2007, 02:10:26 PM
Quote from: tayto on May 17, 2007, 01:29:46 PM
no, dublin get the frist choice, the regional team selects from what's left. hardly a franchise.
Its a non-county playing in a county championship. Someone sat down and thought this up. Thats a franchise.
Fingall CC were advertising in the papers to create a team for the LoI 'A' league thats coming up. These moves have more to do with creating a Fingalish identity than strengthining hurling.
hardly a franchise when its a B team !
as for Fingal in the LOI - are you rovers lads worried ! ???
Quoteas for Fingal in the LOI - are you rovers lads worried
Sure don't they have Drogheda already!!!!
Quote from: Declan on May 17, 2007, 02:29:16 PM
Quoteas for Fingal in the LOI - are you rovers lads worried
Sure don't they have Drogheda already!!!!
while half of 'fingal' moved out to Droh-heda , the rumours of it being 'part' of Fingal are actually untrue!
Quote from: dublinfella on May 17, 2007, 02:10:26 PM
Quote from: tayto on May 17, 2007, 01:29:46 PM
no, dublin get the frist choice, the regional team selects from what's left. hardly a franchise.
Its a non-county playing in a county championship. Someone sat down and thought this up. Thats a franchise.
Fingall CC were advertising in the papers to create a team for the LoI 'A' league thats coming up. These moves have more to do with creating a Fingalish identity than strengthining hurling.
Dublinfella do you have a problem with the south Derry team also?
I was at a Munster final years ago and there was a Munster U-16 final on before the minor game. Both teams in the final were from Clare, not entirely sure but it was like Mid Clare vrs East Clare, so it's not a new thing entirely but other than the Down juniors I haven't seen it before at senior level.
Don't really know how it would work for Dublin or Down especially if players could easily transfer from Christy Ring teams to their Nicky Rackard teams or in the case of Dublin their Liam McCarthy team.
Quote from: Gnevin on May 17, 2007, 03:57:37 PM
Quote from: dublinfella on May 17, 2007, 02:10:26 PM
Quote from: tayto on May 17, 2007, 01:29:46 PM
no, dublin get the frist choice, the regional team selects from what's left. hardly a franchise.
Its a non-county playing in a county championship. Someone sat down and thought this up. Thats a franchise.
Fingall CC were advertising in the papers to create a team for the LoI 'A' league thats coming up. These moves have more to do with creating a Fingalish identity than strengthining hurling.
Dublinfella do you have a problem with the south Derry team also?
wonder is there a problem with north kildare, south kildare
or westmeath/eastmeath
what about cork and west cork
or tipperary north riding and tipperary south riding
maybe its just a problem with riding in general or lack thereof -that is causing all of his sourness towards the GAA ?
He is just stirring up shite, he is a non gaa fan, in fact a big opponent of the GAA, and is only interested in Tallaght and Shamrock Rovers.
The whole "franchise" suggestion is just shit stirring so he can somehow claim the GAA are professional in a vain attempt to boost his argument on another thread.
Best to just ignore
Quote from: lynchbhoy on May 17, 2007, 04:07:04 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on May 17, 2007, 03:57:37 PM
Quote from: dublinfella on May 17, 2007, 02:10:26 PM
Quote from: tayto on May 17, 2007, 01:29:46 PM
no, dublin get the frist choice, the regional team selects from what's left. hardly a franchise.
Its a non-county playing in a county championship. Someone sat down and thought this up. Thats a franchise.
Fingall CC were advertising in the papers to create a team for the LoI 'A' league thats coming up. These moves have more to do with creating a Fingalish identity than strengthining hurling.
Dublinfella do you have a problem with the south Derry team also?
wonder is there a problem with north kildare, south kildare
or westmeath/eastmeath
what about cork and west cork
or tipperary north riding and tipperary south riding
maybe its just a problem with riding in general or lack thereof -that is causing all of his sourness towards the GAA ?
Don't eastmeath already have a team? I think they call it meath for short :p
Just a few quick questions for anyone in the know with Dublin Hurling?
How many clubs are in the fingal area?
What standard do they play at?
Are any of the current senior panel from Fingal area?
I think its a good idea. Start them off in the Rackard Cup. It would give opposing teams a boost as it gets minotinous playing the same teams all the time. A trip to the capital would be good for the likes of Leitrim/Fermanagh ect. If Fingal are anyways decent they should win the Rackard next year and would be up in the Christy Ring the following year. The only thing is they may meet the first team on their way down from the McCarhty Cup (but I hope that doesnt happen).
Quote from: highking on May 17, 2007, 05:26:19 PM
Just a few quick questions for anyone in the know with Dublin Hurling?
How many clubs are in the fingal area?
What standard do they play at?
Are any of the current senior panel from Fingal area?
I think its a good idea. Start them off in the Rackard Cup. It would give opposing teams a boost as it gets minotinous playing the same teams all the time. A trip to the capital would be good for the likes of Leitrim/Fermanagh ect. If Fingal are anyways decent they should win the Rackard next year and would be up in the Christy Ring the following year. The only thing is they may meet the first team on their way down from the McCarhty Cup (but I hope that doesnt happen).
I thought they got rid of the relegation for the McCarthy Cup or changed it to be a play off ?
Quote from: Gnevin on May 17, 2007, 03:57:37 PM
Quote from: dublinfella on May 17, 2007, 02:10:26 PM
Quote from: tayto on May 17, 2007, 01:29:46 PM
no, dublin get the frist choice, the regional team selects from what's left. hardly a franchise.
Its a non-county playing in a county championship. Someone sat down and thought this up. Thats a franchise.
Fingall CC were advertising in the papers to create a team for the LoI 'A' league thats coming up. These moves have more to do with creating a Fingalish identity than strengthining hurling.
Dublinfella do you have a problem with the south Derry team also?
are they in the championship? as far as im concerned its uneccesary tinkering and its being driven at least in part by an agency thats not the GAA, ie Fingal county council
Quote from: his holiness nb on May 17, 2007, 04:16:44 PM
He is just stirring up shite, he is a non gaa fan, in fact a big opponent of the GAA, and is only interested in Tallaght and Shamrock Rovers.
The whole "franchise" suggestion is just shit stirring so he can somehow claim the GAA are professional in a vain attempt to boost his argument on another thread.
Best to just ignore
blah blah blah. on the Rovers thread I dont post enough on the rest of the threads, when I do....
Look up what franchise means you old woman.
Quote from: dublinfella on May 17, 2007, 06:57:49 PM
blah blah blah. on the Rovers thread I dont post enough on the rest of the threads, when I do....
Look up what franchise means you old woman.
I forgot to mention, if someone doesnt agree with him he starts calling them names. ;)
Quote from: his holiness nb on May 18, 2007, 09:58:09 AM
Quote from: dublinfella on May 17, 2007, 06:57:49 PM
blah blah blah. on the Rovers thread I dont post enough on the rest of the threads, when I do....
Look up what franchise means you old woman.
I forgot to mention, if someone doesnt agree with him he starts calling them names. ;)
and when I post a resonable position that this team shouldnt be in the championship im not a GAA fan. you are the one following me around looking for a row.
Quote from: dublinfella on May 18, 2007, 10:46:43 AM
and when I post a resonable position that this team shouldnt be in the championship im not a GAA fan.
I didnt say thats why you are not a GAA fan, that fact was established a long before this thread started.
Quote from: his holiness nb on May 18, 2007, 11:07:44 AM
Quote from: dublinfella on May 18, 2007, 10:46:43 AM
and when I post a resonable position that this team shouldnt be in the championship im not a GAA fan.
I didnt say thats why you are not a GAA fan, that fact was established a long before this thread started.
Is it now. Just because you went on the the Rovers fourm quoting me and got laughed at there really is no need to take it out on me
Yes being "laughed" at by the scummiest of the scum for defending the GAA really broke my heart ::)
Quote from: his holiness nb on May 18, 2007, 02:12:23 PM
Yes being "laughed" at by the scummiest of the scum for defending the GAA really broke my heart ::)
Thought you said you didnt get that far?
you just went on, abused them, got barred and then went back on demanding access. they parralleled this with the TD situation and laughed you out of it.
have you anything to actually say about my objection to tinkering with the championship of behalf of fingal cc or are you just trying to prove a point?
Lies lies lies lies lies
I never abused them, 3 usernames barred for nothing but polite questioning.
And I never demanded access, I asked why I was barred before.
And you still get a TD dig in on this thread ::) let it go.
This is about Dublin hurling, I merely corrected the suggestion that you were a GAA fan which was mentioned on THIS THREAD.
There is no tinkering "on behalf of Fingal cc" this is why I havent commented.
I was just enjoying reading this thread until you came along pretending to care.
pm me if you want to continue this and let this thread get back to the hurling.
What will they call the Down team in the Nicky Rackard Cup next year? Surely it can't be "Non -Ards"?
In the Fingal area there are :-
Fingallians (I)
St Brigids (snr and 2 jnr)
O' Dwyers (J)
St Maurs (J)
St Sylvesters (J)
St Peregrines (I) ????
Trinity Gaels (Snr and Jnr) May be in City area.
Nh Mearnóg (Snr???? and jr)
Not alot of hurling there and the team would imo be very weak. Would be no real interest in the concept imo.
Apologies if I left any clubs out.
just a few point on this as a Dublin hurling man.
I also wouldn't be in favour at the moment of entering a dublin south team in the christy ring. I don't think it would compete that effectively yet. Could come up aginst antrim and laois and get beaten by 10 goals. You have to look at it's composition. It would be made up of players who aren't on dublin's first team or squad -also only from one half of the city. People say you could develop young players- most of them would be within the u21 net- so again that could cause major difficulties. Makes far more sense to enter the rackard cup to begin with and see how it goes. Parts of kilkenny/cork would still do well to compete effetively in the ring cup when you remove all of their top players and if they are from only from one segment of the county -and note the word effectively.
The point on fingal- they have a regional team entering the dublin county championship this year. Regional teams are starting on a county wide basis for the first time in the county hurling championship-which i believe will be a great boost to the county chamionship. There is no way in the world fingal could enter a team at the moment- maybe 10 years down the line. Second strings from dublin north and south would be quite compettitive in time - but makes sense to start in the rackard cup and see how it goes- so i agree with costelloe on that. But the other aside is -would that standard really improve Dublin's lot- i'd be sceptical.
On the point about Dublin apologising about div 1- i actually agree with him- like i said no-one would have given a monkey's had dublin been relegated- only two counties objected to the initial format dublin and antrim that's why i was delighted to see dublin survive- offaly didn't because they never thought they'd get relegated. An 8 team div one format like it was- would be abetter solution all round-