Just wondering has anyone seen or, more to the point read this?
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/columnists/the-founding-principle-of-the-gaa-has-been-increasingly-neglected-899984.html
I know we see on Twitter the talk of Croke Park 'suits' and those same suits tend to be heavily involved locally, or have given years of volunteer service to the GAA as they will often point out...BUT then how can they stand over some of the moves like the ticket increase.
Saying it is for the benefit of the grounds and so on, when clubs face levies anyway for projects. Let the extra few quid stay in the membership's pockets and they will be the ones looking after the clubs a lot of the time anyway.
In every club the same few are tapped up all the time, so I don't see the need to raise any prices, in fact there should have been a freeze. The accounts are in rude health centrally after all.
Was not increasing prices a "Founding Principle" of the GAA?
And they wonder why attendances have fallen
People just don't have the extra money to justify going to games
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 25, 2019, 12:15:47 PM
And they wonder why attendances have fallen
People just don't have the extra money to justify going to games
Are league attendances falling? There was 11k at a McKenna Cup game last week. Dublin games at CP are falling surely but its nought do do with ticket prices
Quote from: JoG2 on January 25, 2019, 12:24:10 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 25, 2019, 12:15:47 PM
And they wonder why attendances have fallen
People just don't have the extra money to justify going to games
Are league attendances falling? There was 11k at a McKenna Cup game last week. Dublin games at CP are falling surely but its nought do do with ticket prices
attendances at championship games are way down
as are league games in the lower divisions
Ticket prices are a factor no doubt but the product is also a problem. Who in Leinster wants to watch Laois getting stuffed by Dublin.
Tier the championship. Have teams competing at their own level.
The crowds will come back.
Keep doing what they're doing, increasing prices and putting poorly matched teams against each other and people will vote with their feet.
The "Croke Park suits" are too blame but most of the responsibility lies with the weaker counties who refuse to allow a tiering of the championship.
Quote from: trailer on January 25, 2019, 01:17:06 PM
Ticket prices are a factor no doubt but the product is also a problem. Who in Leinster wants to watch Laois getting stuffed by Dublin.
Tier the championship. Have teams competing at their own level.
The crowds will come back.
Keep doing what they're doing, increasing prices and putting poorly matched teams against each other and people will vote with their feet.
The "Croke Park suits" are too blame but most of the responsibility lies with the weaker counties who refuse to allow a tiering of the championship.
So tiering the championship, to dump every county from Roscommon downwards into 2 or 3 tiers of the Tommy Murphy Cup, will solve the problem? Wow.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 25, 2019, 01:07:10 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 25, 2019, 12:24:10 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 25, 2019, 12:15:47 PM
And they wonder why attendances have fallen
People just don't have the extra money to justify going to games
Are league attendances falling? There was 11k at a McKenna Cup game last week. Dublin games at CP are falling surely but its nought do do with ticket prices
attendances at championship games are way down
as are league games in the lower divisions
You'd needy put up some figures for both those statements. Prov championship games attendances have been down since the introduction of the backdoor, I doubt it's anything to do with ticket prices. Factor in the qualifier games and I'd say attendances in total may be up, no?? We seem to get hysterical re any and everything to do with the football in the off season and hark back to the utopian GAA days when a kicking game between Kerry and Dublin finished 0-10 0-08, and a punt would get you through the turnstiles. Article after article of full on negativity.
Quote from: trailer on January 25, 2019, 01:17:06 PM
Ticket prices are a factor no doubt but the product is also a problem. Who in Leinster wants to watch Laois getting stuffed by Dublin.
Tier the championship. Have teams competing at their own level.
The crowds will come back.
Keep doing what they're doing, increasing prices and putting poorly matched teams against each other and people will vote with their feet.
The "Croke Park suits" are too blame but most of the responsibility lies with the weaker counties who refuse to allow a tiering of the championship.
condensin the games into a shorter timespan has meant that peoples disposable income is less over the duration of the championship season and may mean some choosing to stay at home rather than go and watch Dublin put 10 points on someone before half time and canter home in the second half.
Condense the County season and all would be well was the cry of everyone a few years ago.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 25, 2019, 04:04:52 PM
Condense the County season and all would be well was the cry of everyone a few years ago.
It was bullshit but they wouldn't listen.
Any county that has ever changed a championship from knockout to league basis knows that gate receipts don't go up that much if at all because matchgoers have only a limited amount of money to spend. This never dawned on the Croke Park suits who never pay in anywhere.
Quote from: five points on January 25, 2019, 04:41:55 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 25, 2019, 04:04:52 PM
Condense the County season and all would be well was the cry of everyone a few years ago.
It was bullshit but they wouldn't listen.
Any county that has ever changed a championship from knockout to league basis knows that gate receipts don't go up that much if at all because matchgoers have only a limited amount of money to spend. This never dawned on the Croke Park suits who never pay in anywhere.
The condensing of the county season was to appease the club player, who at that particular moment in time was the most important and oppressed person in Irish sport.
Today, they don't seem as important. Today what's important is the handpass rule and the price of tickets.
All we can do is pray that a messiah comes along with a solution that will solve all of gaelic football's problems.
Personally, I'm going to watch some games and try to enjoy them.
Quote from: JoG2 on January 25, 2019, 02:02:01 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 25, 2019, 01:07:10 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 25, 2019, 12:24:10 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 25, 2019, 12:15:47 PM
And they wonder why attendances have fallen
People just don't have the extra money to justify going to games
Are league attendances falling? There was 11k at a McKenna Cup game last week. Dublin games at CP are falling surely but its nought do do with ticket prices
attendances at championship games are way down
as are league games in the lower divisions
You'd needy put up some figures for both those statements. Prov championship games attendances have been down since the introduction of the backdoor, I doubt it's anything to do with ticket prices. Factor in the qualifier games and I'd say attendances in total may be up, no?? We seem to get hysterical re any and everything to do with the football in the off season and hark back to the utopian GAA days when a kicking game between Kerry and Dublin finished 0-10 0-08, and a punt would get you through the turnstiles. Article after article of full on negativity.
Money lost on falling attendances was one of the reasons why the group stages for the last eight of the AI championship was brought in.
Paul Rouse has raised a very important question. What type of Association do we want?
In defence of the GAA, they cannot win; on every controversial issue - rules, competition structures, tiers, codes, ticket prices there are multitudes who take multiple opposing positions and consensus is not possible.
All the Committees in Croke park and the Provincial Councils are ordinary GAA folk, dealing with complex matters that are possibly beyond their professional competences. The professionals in Croke Park are career officials and often these are opposite sides of the same coin.
We crave professional preparation but oppose professionalism and insist on counties spending millions in preparing amateur county sides. The balance has been lopsided in favour of the county game over the club game. The only way to bring it back in sync is to stop spending so much money but who is going to do that?
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on January 25, 2019, 11:10:51 AM
Just wondering has anyone seen or, more to the point read this?
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/columnists/the-founding-principle-of-the-gaa-has-been-increasingly-neglected-899984.html
I know we see on Twitter the talk of Croke Park 'suits' and those same suits tend to be heavily involved locally, or have given years of volunteer service to the GAA as they will often point out...BUT then how can they stand over some of the moves like the ticket increase.
Saying it is for the benefit of the grounds and so on, when clubs face levies anyway for projects. Let the extra few quid stay in the membership's pockets and they will be the ones looking after the clubs a lot of the time anyway.
In every club the same few are tapped up all the time, so I don't see the need to raise any prices, in fact there should have been a freeze. The accounts are in rude health centrally after all.
The prices had not gone up since 2011, so there was a freeze which in my opinion had lasted long enough.
I don't know where the big sense of entitlement comes from. People seem to expect GAA ticket prices to be frozen in time and exempt from inflation. That's assuming they're willing to get off their couches and go to the match rather than whinging about not being able to watch every single game on TV free of charge.
'Do people want the GAA to give them money at the gate?' - Dick Clerkin defends hike in ticket prices (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/do-people-want-the-gaa-to-give-them-money-at-the-gate-dick-clerkin-defends-hike-in-ticket-prices-37736289.html)
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 25, 2019, 06:08:22 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on January 25, 2019, 11:10:51 AM
Just wondering has anyone seen or, more to the point read this?
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/columnists/the-founding-principle-of-the-gaa-has-been-increasingly-neglected-899984.html
I know we see on Twitter the talk of Croke Park 'suits' and those same suits tend to be heavily involved locally, or have given years of volunteer service to the GAA as they will often point out...BUT then how can they stand over some of the moves like the ticket increase.
Saying it is for the benefit of the grounds and so on, when clubs face levies anyway for projects. Let the extra few quid stay in the membership's pockets and they will be the ones looking after the clubs a lot of the time anyway.
In every club the same few are tapped up all the time, so I don't see the need to raise any prices, in fact there should have been a freeze. The accounts are in rude health centrally after all.
The prices had not gone up since 2011, so there was a freeze which in my opinion had lasted long enough.
I don't know where the big sense of entitlement comes from. People seem to expect GAA ticket prices to be frozen in time and exempt from inflation. That's assuming they're willing to get off their couches and go to the match rather than whinging about not being able to watch every single game on TV free of charge.
'Do people want the GAA to give them money at the gate?' - Dick Clerkin defends hike in ticket prices (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/do-people-want-the-gaa-to-give-them-money-at-the-gate-dick-clerkin-defends-hike-in-ticket-prices-37736289.html)
If you listen to Rouse talking on Off The Ball, he was said that there wasn't a price review since 2011. The price of tickets had changed in that time.
https://youtu.be/C2u9acGfl7c
Quote from: five points on January 25, 2019, 01:37:00 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 25, 2019, 01:17:06 PM
Ticket prices are a factor no doubt but the product is also a problem. Who in Leinster wants to watch Laois getting stuffed by Dublin.
Tier the championship. Have teams competing at their own level.
The crowds will come back.
Keep doing what they're doing, increasing prices and putting poorly matched teams against each other and people will vote with their feet.
The "Croke Park suits" are too blame but most of the responsibility lies with the weaker counties who refuse to allow a tiering of the championship.
So tiering the championship, to dump every county from Roscommon downwards into 2 or 3 tiers of the Tommy Murphy Cup, will solve the problem? Wow.
If you take that to its logical conclusion - counties have senior, intermediate and junior championship at club level.
I'd say at the end of 2021, wherever you finish in league, that'll be your championship. Run them off quickly and give more times to the clubs.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 25, 2019, 06:08:22 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on January 25, 2019, 11:10:51 AM
Just wondering has anyone seen or, more to the point read this?
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/columnists/the-founding-principle-of-the-gaa-has-been-increasingly-neglected-899984.html
I know we see on Twitter the talk of Croke Park 'suits' and those same suits tend to be heavily involved locally, or have given years of volunteer service to the GAA as they will often point out...BUT then how can they stand over some of the moves like the ticket increase.
Saying it is for the benefit of the grounds and so on, when clubs face levies anyway for projects. Let the extra few quid stay in the membership's pockets and they will be the ones looking after the clubs a lot of the time anyway.
In every club the same few are tapped up all the time, so I don't see the need to raise any prices, in fact there should have been a freeze. The accounts are in rude health centrally after all.
The prices had not gone up since 2011, so there was a freeze which in my opinion had lasted long enough.
This is not true apparently. John Fogerty had an article about it during the week. There were a number of various price hikes as well as some reductions.
No price review since 2011 so Horan was being a bit economical with the truth there.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on January 25, 2019, 05:04:19 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 25, 2019, 02:02:01 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 25, 2019, 01:07:10 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 25, 2019, 12:24:10 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 25, 2019, 12:15:47 PM
And they wonder why attendances have fallen
People just don't have the extra money to justify going to games
Are league attendances falling? There was 11k at a McKenna Cup game last week. Dublin games at CP are falling surely but its nought do do with ticket prices
attendances at championship games are way down
as are league games in the lower divisions
You'd needy put up some figures for both those statements. Prov championship games attendances have been down since the introduction of the backdoor, I doubt it's anything to do with ticket prices. Factor in the qualifier games and I'd say attendances in total may be up, no?? We seem to get hysterical re any and everything to do with the football in the off season and hark back to the utopian GAA days when a kicking game between Kerry and Dublin finished 0-10 0-08, and a punt would get you through the turnstiles. Article after article of full on negativity.
Money lost on falling attendances was one of the reasons why the group stages for the last eight of the AI championship was brought in.
In Leinster matches involving Dublin at CP as they are turkey shoots. Nothing to do with ticket prices going up. Its €15 for a Div 1 and 2 game, €10 for div3 and 4, kids go free, that's a bargain!
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 25, 2019, 07:14:14 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 25, 2019, 06:08:22 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on January 25, 2019, 11:10:51 AM
Just wondering has anyone seen or, more to the point read this?
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/columnists/the-founding-principle-of-the-gaa-has-been-increasingly-neglected-899984.html
I know we see on Twitter the talk of Croke Park 'suits' and those same suits tend to be heavily involved locally, or have given years of volunteer service to the GAA as they will often point out...BUT then how can they stand over some of the moves like the ticket increase.
Saying it is for the benefit of the grounds and so on, when clubs face levies anyway for projects. Let the extra few quid stay in the membership's pockets and they will be the ones looking after the clubs a lot of the time anyway.
In every club the same few are tapped up all the time, so I don't see the need to raise any prices, in fact there should have been a freeze. The accounts are in rude health centrally after all.
The prices had not gone up since 2011, so there was a freeze which in my opinion had lasted long enough.
This is not true apparently. John Fogerty had an article about it during the week. There were a number of various price hikes as well as some reductions.
No price review since 2011 so Horan was being a bit economical with the truth there.
The sense of entitlement comes from a few simple things Eamon. Players don't get paid, and the majority of match day staff don't get paid; so there is simply not the need for ticket increases as there is in other sports. Twin that with the fact that maybe one national league in 80 is more than half full, and you won't be long arriving at an opinion that top brass are giving up on widening the appeal of the game, in favour of fleecing the diehards.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 25, 2019, 06:08:22 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on January 25, 2019, 11:10:51 AM
Just wondering has anyone seen or, more to the point read this?
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/columnists/the-founding-principle-of-the-gaa-has-been-increasingly-neglected-899984.html
I know we see on Twitter the talk of Croke Park 'suits' and those same suits tend to be heavily involved locally, or have given years of volunteer service to the GAA as they will often point out...BUT then how can they stand over some of the moves like the ticket increase.
Saying it is for the benefit of the grounds and so on, when clubs face levies anyway for projects. Let the extra few quid stay in the membership's pockets and they will be the ones looking after the clubs a lot of the time anyway.
In every club the same few are tapped up all the time, so I don't see the need to raise any prices, in fact there should have been a freeze. The accounts are in rude health centrally after all.
The prices had not gone up since 2011, so there was a freeze which in my opinion had lasted long enough.
I don't know where the big sense of entitlement comes from. People seem to expect GAA ticket prices to be frozen in time and exempt from inflation. That's assuming they're willing to get off their couches and go to the match rather than whinging about not being able to watch every single game on TV free of charge.
'Do people want the GAA to give them money at the gate?' - Dick Clerkin defends hike in ticket prices (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/do-people-want-the-gaa-to-give-them-money-at-the-gate-dick-clerkin-defends-hike-in-ticket-prices-37736289.html)
Inflation was not 25 percent.
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 25, 2019, 07:48:44 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 25, 2019, 06:08:22 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on January 25, 2019, 11:10:51 AM
Just wondering has anyone seen or, more to the point read this?
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/columnists/the-founding-principle-of-the-gaa-has-been-increasingly-neglected-899984.html
I know we see on Twitter the talk of Croke Park 'suits' and those same suits tend to be heavily involved locally, or have given years of volunteer service to the GAA as they will often point out...BUT then how can they stand over some of the moves like the ticket increase.
Saying it is for the benefit of the grounds and so on, when clubs face levies anyway for projects. Let the extra few quid stay in the membership's pockets and they will be the ones looking after the clubs a lot of the time anyway.
In every club the same few are tapped up all the time, so I don't see the need to raise any prices, in fact there should have been a freeze. The accounts are in rude health centrally after all.
The prices had not gone up since 2011, so there was a freeze which in my opinion had lasted long enough.
I don't know where the big sense of entitlement comes from. People seem to expect GAA ticket prices to be frozen in time and exempt from inflation. That's assuming they're willing to get off their couches and go to the match rather than whinging about not being able to watch every single game on TV free of charge.
'Do people want the GAA to give them money at the gate?' - Dick Clerkin defends hike in ticket prices (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/do-people-want-the-gaa-to-give-them-money-at-the-gate-dick-clerkin-defends-hike-in-ticket-prices-37736289.html)
Inflation was not 25 percent.
How much was it in to a Div 1 game last year?
15 euro. 20 this year. 25 percent increase.
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 25, 2019, 08:12:24 PM
15 euro. 20 this year. 25 percent increase.
€15 again this year in advance. You can literally take yourself and a clatter of wains to Croke Pk / Healey / Clones / Fitzgerald / Castlebar to watch the best players in the country do battle for €15 feckin euros... I honestly don't understand the knicker twisting going on atm
Quote from: thewobbler on January 25, 2019, 07:36:36 PM
The sense of entitlement comes from a few simple things Eamon. Players don't get paid, and the majority of match day staff don't get paid; so there is simply not the need for ticket increases as there is in other sports. Twin that with the fact that maybe one national league in 80 is more than half full, and you won't be long arriving at an opinion that top brass are giving up on widening the appeal of the game, in favour of fleecing the diehards.
These things were true in my day, and in my day there was no expectation that you could watch every match live for free on TV, nor did people expect ticket prices to remain unchanged from one year to the next.
The whinging about ticket prices reminds me of yanks griping about having to pay about $3 for a gallon of petrol then they'd be paying two or three times as much if they lived in Europe. People don't know how good they have it.
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 25, 2019, 07:48:44 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 25, 2019, 06:08:22 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on January 25, 2019, 11:10:51 AM
Just wondering has anyone seen or, more to the point read this?
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/columnists/the-founding-principle-of-the-gaa-has-been-increasingly-neglected-899984.html
I know we see on Twitter the talk of Croke Park 'suits' and those same suits tend to be heavily involved locally, or have given years of volunteer service to the GAA as they will often point out...BUT then how can they stand over some of the moves like the ticket increase.
Saying it is for the benefit of the grounds and so on, when clubs face levies anyway for projects. Let the extra few quid stay in the membership's pockets and they will be the ones looking after the clubs a lot of the time anyway.
In every club the same few are tapped up all the time, so I don't see the need to raise any prices, in fact there should have been a freeze. The accounts are in rude health centrally after all.
The prices had not gone up since 2011, so there was a freeze which in my opinion had lasted long enough.
I don't know where the big sense of entitlement comes from. People seem to expect GAA ticket prices to be frozen in time and exempt from inflation. That's assuming they're willing to get off their couches and go to the match rather than whinging about not being able to watch every single game on TV free of charge.
'Do people want the GAA to give them money at the gate?' - Dick Clerkin defends hike in ticket prices (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/do-people-want-the-gaa-to-give-them-money-at-the-gate-dick-clerkin-defends-hike-in-ticket-prices-37736289.html)
Inflation was not 25 percent.
I'm open to correction here but if it went up by 25% over 7 years then that's about 3.5% per year. Still higher than the rate of inflation in the Free State, but hardly breaking the bank.
Sorry my maths wrong. 33 percent increase.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 25, 2019, 08:48:31 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 25, 2019, 07:36:36 PM
The sense of entitlement comes from a few simple things Eamon. Players don't get paid, and the majority of match day staff don't get paid; so there is simply not the need for ticket increases as there is in other sports. Twin that with the fact that maybe one national league in 80 is more than half full, and you won't be long arriving at an opinion that top brass are giving up on widening the appeal of the game, in favour of fleecing the diehards.
These things were true in my day, and in my day there was no expectation that you could watch every match live for free on TV, nor did people expect ticket prices to remain unchanged from one year to the next.
The whinging about ticket prices reminds me of yanks griping about having to pay about $3 for a gallon of petrol then they'd be paying two or three times as much if they lived in Europe. People don't know how good they have it.
Eamon, but why?
The GAA does not need to generate more income at a central level. We are not a capitalist business which has to show improved profits each year, or else sack the board.
But I'm going to guess there is a bonus system in place for our (unnecessary) layer of administration staff should revenues increase, which means that we have become a capitalist institution. That, in my opinion, would signal the start of the end for the GAA.
Quote from: trailer on January 25, 2019, 01:17:06 PM
Ticket prices are a factor no doubt but the product is also a problem. Who in Leinster wants to watch Laois getting stuffed by Dublin.
Tier the championship. Have teams competing at their own level.
The crowds will come back.
Keep doing what they're doing, increasing prices and putting poorly matched teams against each other and people will vote with their feet.
The "Croke Park suits" are too blame but most of the responsibility lies with the weaker counties who refuse to allow a tiering of the championship.
The economic system is also a factor.
In rural areas especially where the GAA is strong, payrises are not happening for many people.
Other costs are rising so there is a squeeze on spending power.
This is happening all over Europe
Croke Park is very impressive but it needs to be kept going with serious money. That meant changing the way the GAA does things.
I am not sure that Croke Park is good for the games.
Something similar happened in Galway with Pairc na Gaoithe in Salthill. It was built at enormous expense as a vanity project, is not really suitable for high level sport and has bad parking. Tuam and Ballinasloe are better venues but PnG has to be financed .
The GAA leadership are too distant at this stage as well . They have made a number of stupid calls in recent years and they are out of their depth
when it comes to the crisis in football
The games are very compelling but the administration is not.
Quote from: JoG2 on January 25, 2019, 08:26:05 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 25, 2019, 08:12:24 PM
15 euro. 20 this year. 25 percent increase.
€15 again this year in advance. You can literally take yourself and a clatter of wains to Croke Pk / Healey / Clones / Fitzgerald / Castlebar to watch the best players in the country do battle for €15 feckin euros... I honestly don't understand the knicker twisting going on atm
If you compare like with like, it was €12 in advance last year, €15 this year. That is a 25% increase.
Or at the gate it was €15 last year, €20 this year. That's a 33% increase.
Quote from: seafoid on January 29, 2019, 10:21:33 AM
The GAA does not need to generate more income at a central level. We are not a capitalist business which has to show improved profits each year, or else sack the board.
Nonsense. The number of ordinary GAA club officers all over the country, who ultimately control county boards as club delegates, who can tell you by how much the GAA's profits went up or down in a given year could fit into a minibus.
Quote from: seafoid on January 29, 2019, 10:21:33 AM
But I'm going to guess there is a bonus system in place for our (unnecessary) layer of administration staff should revenues increase,
You're guessing wrong. County & provincial council treasurers are volunteers.
Quote from: seafoid on January 29, 2019, 10:21:33 AM
Croke Park is very impressive but it needs to be kept going with serious money. That meant changing the way the GAA does things.
I am not sure that Croke Park is good for the games.
Something similar happened in Galway with Pairc na Gaoithe in Salthill. It was built at enormous expense as a vanity project, is not really suitable for high level sport and has bad parking. Tuam and Ballinasloe are better venues but PnG has to be financed .
Nail on head.
Croke Park is the biggest asset the GAA has, but it's also its greatest liability. In the mid 1990s, Liam Mulvihill said that the expected useful life of the new Croke Park was around 35 years and after that it would be facing huge repair & maintenance bills that might well warrant its demolition and reconstruction. That was around 24 years ago. Clones was built around the same time and now looks like a dump.
Unless the GAA saves like a miser now, it could well be bankrupt by the end of the next decade.
Quote from: five points on January 29, 2019, 10:43:17 AM
Quote from: seafoid on January 29, 2019, 10:21:33 AM
The GAA does not need to generate more income at a central level. We are not a capitalist business which has to show improved profits each year, or else sack the board.
Nonsense. The number of ordinary GAA club officers all over the country, who ultimately control county boards as club delegates, who can tell you by how much the GAA's profits went up or down in a given year could fit into a minibus.
Quote from: seafoid on January 29, 2019, 10:21:33 AM
But I'm going to guess there is a bonus system in place for our (unnecessary) layer of administration staff should revenues increase,
You're guessing wrong. County & provincial council treasurers are volunteers.
Quote from: seafoid on January 29, 2019, 10:21:33 AM
Croke Park is very impressive but it needs to be kept going with serious money. That meant changing the way the GAA does things.
I am not sure that Croke Park is good for the games.
Something similar happened in Galway with Pairc na Gaoithe in Salthill. It was built at enormous expense as a vanity project, is not really suitable for high level sport and has bad parking. Tuam and Ballinasloe are better venues but PnG has to be financed .
Nail on head.
Croke Park is the biggest asset the GAA has, but it's also its greatest liability. In the mid 1990s, Liam Mulvihill said that the expected useful life of the new Croke Park was around 35 years and that it have huge repair & maintenance bills after that that might well warrant its demolition and reconstruction. That was around 24 years ago. Clones was built around the same time and now looks like a dump.
Unless the GAA saves like a miser now, it could well be bankrupt by the end of the next decade.
Croke Park's size is only required ultimately for 2 guaranteed matches per year
Even the semi finals may not fill it.