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Non GAA Discussion => General discussion => Topic started by: seafoid on October 25, 2018, 09:57:51 AM

Title: Bord na Mona
Post by: seafoid on October 25, 2018, 09:57:51 AM
Almost 500 jobs will be lost in the Midlands as Bord na Mona closes 17 industrial bogs.

For certain places in Offaly say this is like the mine closures in England in the 80s. Will the government do it English style and ignore the communities or will it support them until they become productive again as was the case in Germany when it closed its mines ?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/why-peat-is-most-damaging-fuel-in-terms-of-global-warming-even-worse-than-coal-1.3674537
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/nearly-500-bord-na-m%C3%B3na-jobs-to-go-as-semi-state-closes-17-active-bogs-1.3674414
Title: Re: Bord na Mona
Post by: shark on October 25, 2018, 10:08:23 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/crazy-maths-makes-nonsense-of-irish-climate-change-policy-1.3530732

If the above is accurate, then government support would cost a lot less than the status quo.
Title: Re: Bord na Mona
Post by: seafoid on October 25, 2018, 10:24:39 AM
If they make a mess of it, it won't be good for Offaly GAA
Title: Re: Bord na Mona
Post by: Bord na Mona man on October 25, 2018, 10:51:00 AM
Quote from: seafoid on October 25, 2018, 10:24:39 AM
If they make a mess of it, it won't be good for Offaly GAA
I think this wouldn't be the case nowadays.
The age profile of those whose jobs are at risk would be fairly high.

[Fixed type - would to wouldn't]
Title: Re: Bord na Mona
Post by: seafoid on October 25, 2018, 11:32:37 AM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on October 25, 2018, 10:51:00 AM
Quote from: seafoid on October 25, 2018, 10:24:39 AM
If they make a mess of it, it won't be good for Offaly GAA
I think this would be the case nowadays.
The age profile of those whose jobs are at risk would be fairly high.

Even still if you take decent jobs out of an area and don't replace them young people won't hang around.
Average salary of 50K where there is nothing else is hard to replace and the multiplier effect would be good as well.
I remember when BnM closed the Attymon turf operation in East Galway in the 80s.
It was never the same afterwards in Killimordaly.

I don't think the permanent government is very good at these sort of transitiions
Title: Re: Bord na Mona
Post by: manfromdelmonte on October 26, 2018, 12:01:13 AM
Peat harvesting should have  been stopped decades ago

Same with private companies strip mining peat for gardening products.
Title: Re: Bord na Mona
Post by: Bord na Mona man on October 26, 2018, 11:16:39 AM
Quote from: seafoid on October 25, 2018, 11:32:37 AM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on October 25, 2018, 10:51:00 AM
Quote from: seafoid on October 25, 2018, 10:24:39 AM
If they make a mess of it, it won't be good for Offaly GAA
I think this would be the case nowadays.
The age profile of those whose jobs are at risk would be fairly high.

Even still if you take decent jobs out of an area and don't replace them young people won't hang around.
Average salary of 50K where there is nothing else is hard to replace and the multiplier effect would be good as well.
I remember when BnM closed the Attymon turf operation in East Galway in the 80s.
It was never the same afterwards in Killimordaly.

I don't think the permanent government is very good at these sort of transitiions
In the 80s when the country was banjaxed, there was rarely the ability to replace one big employer with another.
I'd say there is a better chance of something being done to help a big job shock like this when it's a large number. It's the slow and gradual hollowing out of rural Ireland that gets ignored. A bank closure, a shop closure, 5 people laid off. The small individual occurences that all combine to make the big decline.

Title: Re: Bord na Mona
Post by: seafoid on November 01, 2018, 05:40:51 AM
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/job-cuts-hit-to-solar-plexus-as-council-demands-bord-na-mna-crisis-talks-37480772.html
Title: Re: Bord na Mona
Post by: Rossfan on November 01, 2018, 09:21:49 AM
Nothing like Councillors demanding someone appears at a Council meeting ::)