The heat wave is making people delirious.
" they're the best team to never win an All-Ireland but contrary to the history books, this is a team full of winners."
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/american-club-confirm-deadline-day-signing-of-mayo-duo-166706
Its getting to embarrassing levels now on Social media and indo media fawning over the peoples champs.
The only sure thing on annual basis in the GAA that Mayo would not win the all Ireland.
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 03, 2018, 10:23:05 AM
The heat wave is making people delirious.
" they're the best team to never win an All-Ireland but contrary to the history books, this is a team full of winners."
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/american-club-confirm-deadline-day-signing-of-mayo-duo-166706
Its getting to embarrassing levels now on Social media and indo media fawning over the peoples champs.
The only sure thing on annual basis in the GAA that Mayo would not win the all Ireland.
Well why start a thread on it?
The best games every year in recent times have involved Mayo some they won some they lost. They should have got over the line to win an All Ireland but deserve huge credit. Remind of Waterford team of Mullane etc another very good team not to win an All Ireland.
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 03, 2018, 10:23:05 AM
The heat wave is making people delirious.
" they're the best team to never win an All-Ireland but contrary to the history books, this is a team full of winners."
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/american-club-confirm-deadline-day-signing-of-mayo-duo-166706
Its getting to embarrassing levels now on Social media and indo media fawning over the peoples champs.
The only sure thing on annual basis in the GAA that Mayo would not win the all Ireland.
Amazing how it grates with some Dublin supporters so much that Mayo get credit. Dublin are lauded as "the best team ever" by many, but it's not enough.
Quote from: Tubberman on July 03, 2018, 11:01:53 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 03, 2018, 10:23:05 AM
The heat wave is making people delirious.
" they're the best team to never win an All-Ireland but contrary to the history books, this is a team full of winners."
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/american-club-confirm-deadline-day-signing-of-mayo-duo-166706
Its getting to embarrassing levels now on Social media and indo media fawning over the peoples champs.
The only sure thing on annual basis in the GAA that Mayo would not win the all Ireland.
Amazing how it grates with some Dublin supporters so much that Mayo get credit. Dublin are lauded as "the best team ever" by many, but it's not enough.
That Dublin team isn't best ever. That's just hyperbole. Kerry 1975 to 1986 would have beat them. Won eight All Irelands in that era.
Quote from: Tubberman on July 03, 2018, 11:01:53 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 03, 2018, 10:23:05 AM
The heat wave is making people delirious.
" they're the best team to never win an All-Ireland but contrary to the history books, this is a team full of winners."
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/american-club-confirm-deadline-day-signing-of-mayo-duo-166706
Its getting to embarrassing levels now on Social media and indo media fawning over the peoples champs.
The only sure thing on annual basis in the GAA that Mayo would not win the all Ireland.
Amazing how it grates with some Dublin supporters so much that Mayo get credit. Dublin are lauded as "the best team ever" by many, but it's not enough.
Dublin had a ways to go yet to emulate the Kerry mid 70's to '86 squad IMHO.
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on July 03, 2018, 11:06:43 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on July 03, 2018, 11:01:53 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 03, 2018, 10:23:05 AM
The heat wave is making people delirious.
" they're the best team to never win an All-Ireland but contrary to the history books, this is a team full of winners."
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/american-club-confirm-deadline-day-signing-of-mayo-duo-166706
Its getting to embarrassing levels now on Social media and indo media fawning over the peoples champs.
The only sure thing on annual basis in the GAA that Mayo would not win the all Ireland.
Amazing how it grates with some Dublin supporters so much that Mayo get credit. Dublin are lauded as "the best team ever" by many, but it's not enough.
Dublin had a ways to go yet to emulate the Kerry mid 70's to '86 squad IMHO.
Dublin will have six titles from eight seasons soon. There's very little way to go now when you consider the level of preparation that teams put into IC football these days.
Kerry were better players and with the same preparations and conditions would beat this Dublin team imo... but we'll never know.
Yeah the Kerry team of the 70s/80s were full of individually brilliant players (eg Egan, Sheehy) who gelled wonderfully as a team. They won most of their All-Ireland's well. This Dublin team has scraped over the line. They may well do the famous 5 in a row and if they pull that off, then they will be entitled to that moniker. But they may equally be beaten this year or next by a new, Young Kerry team. Just like it's too soon to write Mayo's obit, it's too soon to crown Dublin as the greatest.
Quote from: Tubberman on July 03, 2018, 11:01:53 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 03, 2018, 10:23:05 AM
The heat wave is making people delirious.
" they're the best team to never win an All-Ireland but contrary to the history books, this is a team full of winners."
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/american-club-confirm-deadline-day-signing-of-mayo-duo-166706
Its getting to embarrassing levels now on Social media and indo media fawning over the peoples champs.
The only sure thing on annual basis in the GAA that Mayo would not win the all Ireland.
Amazing how it grates with some Dublin supporters so much that Mayo get credit. Dublin are lauded as "the best team ever" by many, but it's not enough.
That's exactly it. How dare anybody else praise anyone other than Dublin. Some of them are like a spoilt child who craves attention.
Wait for the 'sure I was only winding you all up' line.
In fairness this Dublin team are the Greatest. They have a brilliant home record in the Championship. They have also a 90+% record in recent knock out games in the League at home. Their commitment to training, is unparalleled in terms of time off work and travel. Despite all the disadvantages Dublin come good every year.
Quote from: weareros on July 03, 2018, 11:33:25 AM
Yeah the Kerry team of the 70s/80s were full of individually brilliant players (eg Egan, Sheehy) who gelled wonderfully as a team. They won most of their All-Ireland's well. This Dublin team has scraped over the line. They may well do the famous 5 in a row and if they pull that off, then they will be entitled to that moniker. But they may equally be beaten this year or next by a new, Young Kerry team. Just like it's too soon to write Mayo's obit, it's too soon to crown Dublin as the greatest.
Even if they lose one they will just keep winning them regardless, as has already happened. Their depth caused by both their ridiculous population and financial advantage means their position is very sustainable. Anyone who thinks Dublin aren't remaining on top is just fooling themselves.
Dublin are the best team to ever play the game. But they are under few definitions even a county.
Jim did a piece yesterday stating history will be kind to mayo and I think he's right. In the same regard I think history will be unkind to this Dublin side. The drubbings they hand out greatly diminish their appeal to the neutral and even to their own fans as the dwindling attendances turning out to see them play is testament to.
I don't think they'll get talked about in 10 years time the way Kerry and Tyrone of the noughties are referenced now, the bitter rivalry of that era stirring up considerable emotion and interest in the two sides. Similarly there's nothing defining about their victories, the age old sporting adage of conquering the insurmountable,, like sixties Down, eighties Offaly, or Jimmys Donegal.
Quote from: trileacman on July 03, 2018, 12:23:25 PM
Jim did a piece yesterday stating history will be kind to mayo and I think he's right. In the same regard I think history will be unkind to this Dublin side. The drubbings they hand out greatly diminish their appeal to the neutral and even to their own fans as the dwindling attendances turning out to see them play is testament to.
I don't think they'll get talked about in 10 years time the way Kerry and Tyrone of the noughties are referenced now, the bitter rivalry of that era stirring up considerable emotion and interest in the two sides. Similarly there's nothing defining about their victories, the age old sporting adage of conquering the insurmountable,, like sixties Down, eighties Offaly, or Jimmys Donegal.
A bit harsh to moan abut drubbings in early rounds when others have complained about the lack of drubbings in the latter stages!
There have been magnificent games against Mayo and Kerry.
The final where Kev Mac got the goal to get us back in it when all looked lost and then Cluxton nailed the long range last kick of the game free to win was truly epic. There was the semi final where Gooch and others looked to be destroying us, but we came roaring back to win. Pretty much every match v Mayo was a great watch and went to the wire.
IMO this Dubs team is better than the Kerry mid 80s team, but I didnt see enough of the Kerry late 70s/early 80s team to compare, so they could still be better.
I doubt very much there has been a better team than Mayo who has not won it.
Eamonn Sweeney got in on the act yesterday. A tad OTT I feel.
Eamonn Sweeney
July 2 2018 5:00 PM
The two-goal start handed to Donegal in the 2012 All-Ireland final, the defensive mix-up which gave Bernard Brogan his first goal in the 2013 decider, the five-point lead with five minutes left lost in the 2014 semi against Kerry, the two own goals in the drawn 2016 meeting with Dublin, the decision to replace All-Star goalkeeper David Clarke for the replay, the red card for Donal Vaughan just when it looked like they'd have an extra man for the closing 20 minutes of last year's final.
No team ever amassed quite as many might-have-been moments as Mayo. Their story is one of turning points which turned the wrong way. Hope and history never quite rhymed. Lady Luck always left with someone else.
A momentous era ended in Newbridge on Saturday night. It began on July 31, 2011 when an unfancied Mayo side, who'd only defeated London by a single point in their opening Connacht Championship match, beat reigning All-Ireland champions Cork 1-13 to 2-6 in a Croke Park quarter-final. Kerry disposed of them easily enough next time out but Mayo, under manager James Horan, seemed a team on the way up. The following year they once more upset the reigning champs, beating Dublin by three points in a tremendous semi-final. Yet this was Donegal and Jim McGuinness's year. Cynics suggested Mayo had merely made life easier for the new champions by clearing a better side out of the way.
Mayo demanded respect in 2013. For the third year in a row they deposed the title-holders, beating Donegal by 16 points in the quarter-final. The final could have gone either way but it went Dublin's by a point. Yet it looked like Mayo's time would surely come soon.
They were perhaps never better than in the 2014 semi-final against Kerry. Mayo played the second half with 14 men after Lee Keegan was sent off just before the break but looked to have won the game before Kieran Donaghy came on.
The moment when the big man superbly fielded a high ball before slipping it to James O'Donoghue who stuck it into the net felt like a significant turning point. Mayo lost the replay after extra-time, their disappointment exacerbated by a sense of injustice. There were some dubious refereeing decisions and the game had been played in Kingdom-friendly Limerick because Croke Park was hosting an American Football match.
The resignation of Horan afterwards seemed to confirm the feeling that this Mayo side, like their predecessors who'd lost the 1996 and 1997 and 2004 and 2006 finals, would fade away in the face of sustained disappointment.
Yet they were back in the semis the following year, under the joint management of Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes, and led Dublin going into the final quarter before being undone by a devastating three-goal burst.
A players' putsch saw Stephen Rochford take over as manager for 2016 but a first Connacht Championship defeat to Galway in eight years and a halting progress through the qualifiers suggested a team in decline. Few predicted anything other than comprehensive defeat for them in the final against Dublin.
Instead Mayo would have won the drawn game but for own goals from Kevin McLoughlin and Colm Boyle which kept the floundering Dubs in the contest. The unfortunate nature of both scores made you wonder if somebody up there didn't like Mayo.
In the replay, the misfortune was self-inflicted. Rochford's decision to replace Clarke with Rob Hennelly may well be the worst miscalculation in All-Ireland football final history. A botched kick-out by the replacement led to Lee Keegan, the best player in football that year, getting a black card. A Hennelly fumble gave Dublin a penalty converted by Diarmuid Connolly which proved vital as Mayo lost a second final in four years by a single point.
By now Mayo's attempts to finally land the All-Ireland had become Irish sport's great epic quest. Their 2017 championship campaign was extraordinary. Another defeat by Galway led to an odyssey which saw them play seven games, two of which went to extra-time, before encountering Dublin once more in the final.
When an inspired Mayo led by two points with six minutes left, the grail seemed within their grasp. Instead Dublin prevailed by one point for a third time. Cillian O'Connor's free to put Mayo ahead in injury-time came back off the post, Dean Rock's similar effort for Dublin sailed over.
The Mayo story had come to seem like the saddest GAA story ever told. Yet the memories are not all of what might have been.
There's also Kevin McLoughlin's rocket against Cork that announced the team's arrival, David Clarke pulling off a point-blank save from Bernard Brogan, Aidan O'Shea soaring high and finishing with aplomb against Donegal, Cillian O'Connor landing a last-ditch equaliser against the Dubs, Lee Keegan galloping through the Dublin defence and lashing a shot past Stephen Cluxton, Keith Higgins hunting down and foiling Paul Geaney with the game in the balance, Chris Barrett's herculean blocks, intercepts and dispossessions in last year's final and the whole of Andy Moran's incredible 2017.
Saturday's game ended with Moran firing a shot narrowly over. Last year he produced probably the greatest veteran season in GAA history. This year he fought to the bitter end. He deserved better and so did his team-mates. A popular cliché tells us that no-one remembers the runners-up. But everyone will remember this Mayo side.
They'll be remembered when some teams which did win the Sam Maguire are forgotten outside their own county.
Mayo's big fault may have been that sometimes they cared a little too much and tried a little too hard. A touch more sang-froid at key moments might have worked wonders. But their flaws only made this big-hearted team all the more engaging. There was something emotionally involving about almost every one of their games.
Mayo 2011-2018 were a team unlike any other. They were everyone's favourite other side. They were Ireland's team.
God, we'll miss them.
It's gone way over the top, they are not dead FFS. The Sunday Game montage bit last Sunday was like something you'd see for an "in memoriam" piece.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 03, 2018, 12:54:26 PM
It's gone way over the top, they are not dead FFS. The Sunday Game montage bit last Sunday was like something you'd see for an "in memoriam" piece.
This is the end of the chase for the core of the team that's been there since 2011, whether they know it or not. What you're railing against is something that's only acknowledging that fact. Their window lasted longer than it probably should have in the first place.
Will mayo even bother entering next year's championship?
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 03, 2018, 12:37:13 PM
Eamonn Sweeney got in on the act yesterday. A tad OTT I feel.
Eamonn Sweeney
July 2 2018 5:00 PM
God, we'll miss them.
Ha Ha Ha. Sweeney needs to cop on. They are gone nowhere and will probably put five goals past Sligo next year.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 03, 2018, 01:06:43 PM
Will mayo even bother entering next year's championship?
Westmeath came as close as any to not bothering to enter the Championship this year!
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 03, 2018, 01:08:48 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 03, 2018, 01:06:43 PM
Will mayo even bother entering next year's championship?
Westmeath came as close as any to not bothering to enter the Championship this year!
They did, the useless feckers
Quote from: weareros on July 03, 2018, 01:07:33 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 03, 2018, 12:37:13 PM
Eamonn Sweeney got in on the act yesterday. A tad OTT I feel.
Eamonn Sweeney
July 2 2018 5:00 PM
God, we'll miss them.
Ha Ha Ha. Sweeney needs to cop on. They are gone nowhere and will probably put five goals past Sligo next year.
Gone as All Ireland contenders though.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 03, 2018, 12:37:13 PM
Mayo 2011-2018 were a team unlike any other. They were everyone's favourite other side. They were Ireland's team.
God, we'll miss them.
Ya just a tad OTT.
Is that the end of Rochford now? given 3 years won nothing regularly struggled to stay up in Division one and they were unable to shake off their poor league form in the championship this summer. In those 3 years how many top team performance have Mayo produced? is their patchy form on route to the 2016,2017 finals now ignored within the narrative? how much was their competitive showings in those finals was more about Dublin on the day as one has to take into account that Dublin haven't won All Ireland final by a bit to spare since the 70s
For All Ireland contender that Mayo was why was their bench so weak this year and why would county like that be giving debuts to players in the summer when they should be tested during the league first.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 03, 2018, 01:12:05 PM
Quote from: weareros on July 03, 2018, 01:07:33 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 03, 2018, 12:37:13 PM
Eamonn Sweeney got in on the act yesterday. A tad OTT I feel.
Eamonn Sweeney
July 2 2018 5:00 PM
God, we'll miss them.
Ha Ha Ha. Sweeney needs to cop on. They are gone nowhere and will probably put five goals past Sligo next year.
Gone as All Ireland contenders though.
We are not alone there!
Greatest ever never to win Sam. Not sure about that. Teams that played pre qfs like Galway early 70s ( also lost 3) Armagh late 70s, Ros late 70s and Monaghan 80s (unlucky to peak along with Kerry) would also be in the mix. . The late 90s Kildare team wasn't bad either.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 03, 2018, 12:37:13 PM
Eamonn Sweeney got in on the act yesterday. A tad OTT I feel.
Eamonn Sweeney
July 2 2018 5:00 PM
The two-goal start handed to Donegal in the 2012 All-Ireland final, the defensive mix-up which gave Bernard Brogan his first goal in the 2013 decider, the five-point lead with five minutes left lost in the 2014 semi against Kerry, the two own goals in the drawn 2016 meeting with Dublin, the decision to replace All-Star goalkeeper David Clarke for the replay, the red card for Donal Vaughan just when it looked like they'd have an extra man for the closing 20 minutes of last year's final.
No team ever amassed quite as many might-have-been moments as Mayo. Their story is one of turning points which turned the wrong way. Hope and history never quite rhymed. Lady Luck always left with someone else.
A momentous era ended in Newbridge on Saturday night. It began on July 31, 2011 when an unfancied Mayo side, who'd only defeated London by a single point in their opening Connacht Championship match, beat reigning All-Ireland champions Cork 1-13 to 2-6 in a Croke Park quarter-final. Kerry disposed of them easily enough next time out but Mayo, under manager James Horan, seemed a team on the way up. The following year they once more upset the reigning champs, beating Dublin by three points in a tremendous semi-final. Yet this was Donegal and Jim McGuinness's year. Cynics suggested Mayo had merely made life easier for the new champions by clearing a better side out of the way.
Mayo demanded respect in 2013. For the third year in a row they deposed the title-holders, beating Donegal by 16 points in the quarter-final. The final could have gone either way but it went Dublin's by a point. Yet it looked like Mayo's time would surely come soon.
They were perhaps never better than in the 2014 semi-final against Kerry. Mayo played the second half with 14 men after Lee Keegan was sent off just before the break but looked to have won the game before Kieran Donaghy came on.
The moment when the big man superbly fielded a high ball before slipping it to James O'Donoghue who stuck it into the net felt like a significant turning point. Mayo lost the replay after extra-time, their disappointment exacerbated by a sense of injustice. There were some dubious refereeing decisions and the game had been played in Kingdom-friendly Limerick because Croke Park was hosting an American Football match.
The resignation of Horan afterwards seemed to confirm the feeling that this Mayo side, like their predecessors who'd lost the 1996 and 1997 and 2004 and 2006 finals, would fade away in the face of sustained disappointment.
Yet they were back in the semis the following year, under the joint management of Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes, and led Dublin going into the final quarter before being undone by a devastating three-goal burst.
A players' putsch saw Stephen Rochford take over as manager for 2016 but a first Connacht Championship defeat to Galway in eight years and a halting progress through the qualifiers suggested a team in decline. Few predicted anything other than comprehensive defeat for them in the final against Dublin.
Instead Mayo would have won the drawn game but for own goals from Kevin McLoughlin and Colm Boyle which kept the floundering Dubs in the contest. The unfortunate nature of both scores made you wonder if somebody up there didn't like Mayo.
In the replay, the misfortune was self-inflicted. Rochford's decision to replace Clarke with Rob Hennelly may well be the worst miscalculation in All-Ireland football final history. A botched kick-out by the replacement led to Lee Keegan, the best player in football that year, getting a black card. A Hennelly fumble gave Dublin a penalty converted by Diarmuid Connolly which proved vital as Mayo lost a second final in four years by a single point.
By now Mayo's attempts to finally land the All-Ireland had become Irish sport's great epic quest. Their 2017 championship campaign was extraordinary. Another defeat by Galway led to an odyssey which saw them play seven games, two of which went to extra-time, before encountering Dublin once more in the final.
When an inspired Mayo led by two points with six minutes left, the grail seemed within their grasp. Instead Dublin prevailed by one point for a third time. Cillian O'Connor's free to put Mayo ahead in injury-time came back off the post, Dean Rock's similar effort for Dublin sailed over.
The Mayo story had come to seem like the saddest GAA story ever told. Yet the memories are not all of what might have been.
There's also Kevin McLoughlin's rocket against Cork that announced the team's arrival, David Clarke pulling off a point-blank save from Bernard Brogan, Aidan O'Shea soaring high and finishing with aplomb against Donegal, Cillian O'Connor landing a last-ditch equaliser against the Dubs, Lee Keegan galloping through the Dublin defence and lashing a shot past Stephen Cluxton, Keith Higgins hunting down and foiling Paul Geaney with the game in the balance, Chris Barrett's herculean blocks, intercepts and dispossessions in last year's final and the whole of Andy Moran's incredible 2017.
Saturday's game ended with Moran firing a shot narrowly over. Last year he produced probably the greatest veteran season in GAA history. This year he fought to the bitter end. He deserved better and so did his team-mates. A popular cliché tells us that no-one remembers the runners-up. But everyone will remember this Mayo side.
They'll be remembered when some teams which did win the Sam Maguire are forgotten outside their own county.
Mayo's big fault may have been that sometimes they cared a little too much and tried a little too hard. A touch more sang-froid at key moments might have worked wonders. But their flaws only made this big-hearted team all the more engaging. There was something emotionally involving about almost every one of their games.
Mayo 2011-2018 were a team unlike any other. They were everyone's favourite other side. They were Ireland's team.
God, we'll miss them.
Can't believe a Sligoman would be fawning over Mayo to that extent. Everyone's favourite other side my hole.
Is that the same Eamonn Sweeney that dubbed Mayo a team of lions led by donkeys?
Quote from: seafoid on July 03, 2018, 01:23:19 PM
Greatest ever never to win Sam. Not sure about that. Teams that played pre qfs like Galway early 70s ( also lost 3) Armagh late 70s, Ros late 70s and Monaghan 80s (unlucky to peak along with Kerry) would also be in the mix. . The late 90s Kildare team wasn't bad either.
They are in my time but looking back through history I'd say there are, could easily have been 6 finals in a row as the 2 semi's they lost in 14 & 15 were replays.
Am I the only person thinks that, assuming the Mayo Club Championship will be in full slow / League resolved early. This could be the first break that a lot of these guys get for maybe 3/4 years?
They might not be done just yet....
Obviously logistical issues will mean they meander along in the league as they seem to normally do, but they suffered badly with injury this year, nobody bar Dublin could have coped. There might be more left in the tank after a bit of time off.
The dirtiest and most cynical team this decade and still couldn't win the big one, even being so far ahead in certain games.
I know a guy from Mayo, big into GAA and all sports, but supports the Galway Hurlers and Sligo Rovers, wont support the Mayo footballers, says overhyped and the fans are akin to the Leinster rugby fans, he says he's know time for them.
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 03, 2018, 02:25:45 PM
The dirtiest and most cynical team this decade and still couldn't win the big one, even being so far ahead in certain games.
I know a guy from Mayo, big into GAA and all sports, but supports the Galway Hurlers and Sligo Rovers, wont support the Mayo footballers, says overhyped and the fans are akin to the Leinster rugby fans, he says he's know time for them.
Again, why are these see-through troll accounts left un-moderated?
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 03, 2018, 02:25:45 PM
The dirtiest and most cynical team this decade and still couldn't win the big one, even being so far ahead in certain games.
I know a guy from Mayo, big into GAA and all sports, but supports the Galway Hurlers and Sligo Rovers, wont support the Mayo footballers, says overhyped and the fans are akin to the Leinster rugby fans, he says he's know time for them.
I know a guy from Dublin a big Dubs fan & Hill 16 man, big into soccer and he was telling me that Ireland should vote to leave the EU and rejoin the commonwealth cause Dubs are British anyway and Liverpool would be his soccer team more than any Irish team but sure we know Dublin fans are all Brit loving soccer people anyway akin to Brexit national front supporters so I don't why we even let them play football or hurling? ;)
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on July 03, 2018, 02:09:02 PM
Am I the only person thinks that, assuming the Mayo Club Championship will be in full slow / League resolved early. This could be the first break that a lot of these guys get for maybe 3/4 years?
They might not be done just yet....
Obviously logistical issues will mean they meander along in the league as they seem to normally do, but they suffered badly with injury this year, nobody bar Dublin could have coped. There might be more left in the tank after a bit of time off.
Fairly sure there's no senior championship in Mayo for the next 2 months.
You could argue that but I think its unlikely, look at the ages of Clarke, Higgins, Cafferkey, Barrett, Boyle, SOS & Moran and that a few of them are based in Dublin too doesn't help. Parsons' injury will likely rule him out of next year too and given his age and how bad an injury there's always the chance he might not return. I think Mayo have to be careful, all those players could hang on another year but if didn't work out well you're looking at a panel where 12 out of their best 20 players could be 30+.
Its a difficult one though as there could be a whole host of retirements and there's no guarantees that the next generation are good enough, I do think they have to take that chance though.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 03, 2018, 02:40:43 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on July 03, 2018, 02:09:02 PM
Am I the only person thinks that, assuming the Mayo Club Championship will be in full slow / League resolved early. This could be the first break that a lot of these guys get for maybe 3/4 years?
They might not be done just yet....
Obviously logistical issues will mean they meander along in the league as they seem to normally do, but they suffered badly with injury this year, nobody bar Dublin could have coped. There might be more left in the tank after a bit of time off.
Fairly sure there's no senior championship in Mayo for the next 2 months.
You could argue that but I think its unlikely, look at the ages of Clarke, Higgins, Cafferkey, Barrett, Boyle, SOS & Moran and that a few of them are based in Dublin too doesn't help. Parsons' injury will likely rule him out of next year too and given his age and how bad an injury there's always the chance he might not return. I think Mayo have to be careful, all those players could hang on another year but if didn't work out well you're looking at a panel where 12 out of their best 20 players could be 30+.
Its a difficult one though as there could be a whole host of retirements and there's no guarantees that the next generation are good enough, I do think they have to take that chance though.
Yep alot of planning to ensure it is a transition period of a year or two not a 10 year fallow period!! Clarke is working in Tubbercurry, Higgins works in Castlebar, Cafferkey in Galway, Boyle in Clifden and Moran is in Ballaghadreen so it would be a case of if they have the drive or health to keep going for another year. Seamus , Chris Barrett and Jason Doc are all in Dublin so work might come into to play if they want to keep going for another year?
Either way I think we will see a couple of lads gone through retirement or injury and that might be over the next couple of years so whoever is in charge will have to start throwing in the likes of Reape, Akram , Hall, Carr Loftus etc... in next years league and leave the older lads till the championship starts.
Quote from: Crete Boom on July 03, 2018, 02:39:12 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 03, 2018, 02:25:45 PM
The dirtiest and most cynical team this decade and still couldn't win the big one, even being so far ahead in certain games.
I know a guy from Mayo, big into GAA and all sports, but supports the Galway Hurlers and Sligo Rovers, wont support the Mayo footballers, says overhyped and the fans are akin to the Leinster rugby fans, he says he's know time for them.
I know a guy from Dublin a big Dubs fan & Hill 16 man, big into soccer and he was telling me that Ireland should vote to leave the EU and rejoin the commonwealth cause Dubs are British anyway and Liverpool would be his soccer team more than any Irish team but sure we know Dublin fans are all Brit loving soccer people anyway akin to Brexit national front supporters so I don't why we even let them play football or hurling? ;)
Cant argue with you there, loads of west brits in Dublin, and Ireland, nearly getting out of control now.
Just surprised to hear that from a Mayo man, that is all I pointed it out.
I am Unfamiliar with Trolling, I am just stating fact. A lot of talk on these boards on Dublin, Kerry and Tyrone (especially all things Tyrone) can the peoples champions not be discussed also, its a relevant topic in my opinion, there is an awe about Mayo, but it is confused with Entertainment. Not because they are a good team (in my opinion very lucky in a lot of games).
I wonder if Mayo had won 3 or 4 all Irelands this decade would things be different, Kerry, Tyrone got it, Dublin getting it now.
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 03, 2018, 03:03:46 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on July 03, 2018, 02:39:12 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 03, 2018, 02:25:45 PM
The dirtiest and most cynical team this decade and still couldn't win the big one, even being so far ahead in certain games.
I know a guy from Mayo, big into GAA and all sports, but supports the Galway Hurlers and Sligo Rovers, wont support the Mayo footballers, says overhyped and the fans are akin to the Leinster rugby fans, he says he's know time for them.
I know a guy from Dublin a big Dubs fan & Hill 16 man, big into soccer and he was telling me that Ireland should vote to leave the EU and rejoin the commonwealth cause Dubs are British anyway and Liverpool would be his soccer team more than any Irish team but sure we know Dublin fans are all Brit loving soccer people anyway akin to Brexit national front supporters so I don't why we even let them play football or hurling? ;)
Cant argue with you there, loads of west brits in Dublin, and Ireland, nearly getting out of control now.
Just surprised to hear that from a Mayo man, that is all I pointed it out.
I am Unfamiliar with Trolling, I am just stating fact. A lot of talk on these boards on Dublin, Kerry and Tyrone (especially all things Tyrone) can the peoples champions not be discussed also, its a relevant topic in my opinion, there is an awe about Mayo, but it is confused with Entertainment. Not because they are a good team (in my opinion very lucky in a lot of games).
I wonder if Mayo had won 3 or 4 all Irelands this decade would things be different, Kerry, Tyrone got it, Dublin getting it now.
I know another guy who knows you cause he works in the financial game like youreself and is also unfamialir with trolling who told me all you talk about is Mayo and your admiration of all things Mayo!! You are allowed to discuss the man you know who is represenative of the truth or more important your truth so why can't we disuss the men I know who know who provide me with my truth and plus I have provided two concrete sources to your single undisputed source so I think that puts alot my more substance of the facts from the men I know which are the real facts which to you are heresay which is the same as your facts because they are heresay which in fact is both truth and heresay!! Case Closed ;)
Quote from: Owenmoresider on July 03, 2018, 01:34:33 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 03, 2018, 12:37:13 PM
Eamonn Sweeney got in on the act yesterday. A tad OTT I feel.
Eamonn Sweeney
July 2 2018 5:00 PM
The two-goal start handed to Donegal in the 2012 All-Ireland final, the defensive mix-up which gave Bernard Brogan his first goal in the 2013 decider, the five-point lead with five minutes left lost in the 2014 semi against Kerry, the two own goals in the drawn 2016 meeting with Dublin, the decision to replace All-Star goalkeeper David Clarke for the replay, the red card for Donal Vaughan just when it looked like they'd have an extra man for the closing 20 minutes of last year's final.
No team ever amassed quite as many might-have-been moments as Mayo. Their story is one of turning points which turned the wrong way. Hope and history never quite rhymed. Lady Luck always left with someone else.
A momentous era ended in Newbridge on Saturday night. It began on July 31, 2011 when an unfancied Mayo side, who'd only defeated London by a single point in their opening Connacht Championship match, beat reigning All-Ireland champions Cork 1-13 to 2-6 in a Croke Park quarter-final. Kerry disposed of them easily enough next time out but Mayo, under manager James Horan, seemed a team on the way up. The following year they once more upset the reigning champs, beating Dublin by three points in a tremendous semi-final. Yet this was Donegal and Jim McGuinness's year. Cynics suggested Mayo had merely made life easier for the new champions by clearing a better side out of the way.
Mayo demanded respect in 2013. For the third year in a row they deposed the title-holders, beating Donegal by 16 points in the quarter-final. The final could have gone either way but it went Dublin's by a point. Yet it looked like Mayo's time would surely come soon.
They were perhaps never better than in the 2014 semi-final against Kerry. Mayo played the second half with 14 men after Lee Keegan was sent off just before the break but looked to have won the game before Kieran Donaghy came on.
The moment when the big man superbly fielded a high ball before slipping it to James O'Donoghue who stuck it into the net felt like a significant turning point. Mayo lost the replay after extra-time, their disappointment exacerbated by a sense of injustice. There were some dubious refereeing decisions and the game had been played in Kingdom-friendly Limerick because Croke Park was hosting an American Football match.
The resignation of Horan afterwards seemed to confirm the feeling that this Mayo side, like their predecessors who'd lost the 1996 and 1997 and 2004 and 2006 finals, would fade away in the face of sustained disappointment.
Yet they were back in the semis the following year, under the joint management of Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes, and led Dublin going into the final quarter before being undone by a devastating three-goal burst.
A players' putsch saw Stephen Rochford take over as manager for 2016 but a first Connacht Championship defeat to Galway in eight years and a halting progress through the qualifiers suggested a team in decline. Few predicted anything other than comprehensive defeat for them in the final against Dublin.
Instead Mayo would have won the drawn game but for own goals from Kevin McLoughlin and Colm Boyle which kept the floundering Dubs in the contest. The unfortunate nature of both scores made you wonder if somebody up there didn't like Mayo.
In the replay, the misfortune was self-inflicted. Rochford's decision to replace Clarke with Rob Hennelly may well be the worst miscalculation in All-Ireland football final history. A botched kick-out by the replacement led to Lee Keegan, the best player in football that year, getting a black card. A Hennelly fumble gave Dublin a penalty converted by Diarmuid Connolly which proved vital as Mayo lost a second final in four years by a single point.
By now Mayo's attempts to finally land the All-Ireland had become Irish sport's great epic quest. Their 2017 championship campaign was extraordinary. Another defeat by Galway led to an odyssey which saw them play seven games, two of which went to extra-time, before encountering Dublin once more in the final.
When an inspired Mayo led by two points with six minutes left, the grail seemed within their grasp. Instead Dublin prevailed by one point for a third time. Cillian O'Connor's free to put Mayo ahead in injury-time came back off the post, Dean Rock's similar effort for Dublin sailed over.
The Mayo story had come to seem like the saddest GAA story ever told. Yet the memories are not all of what might have been.
There's also Kevin McLoughlin's rocket against Cork that announced the team's arrival, David Clarke pulling off a point-blank save from Bernard Brogan, Aidan O'Shea soaring high and finishing with aplomb against Donegal, Cillian O'Connor landing a last-ditch equaliser against the Dubs, Lee Keegan galloping through the Dublin defence and lashing a shot past Stephen Cluxton, Keith Higgins hunting down and foiling Paul Geaney with the game in the balance, Chris Barrett's herculean blocks, intercepts and dispossessions in last year's final and the whole of Andy Moran's incredible 2017.
Saturday's game ended with Moran firing a shot narrowly over. Last year he produced probably the greatest veteran season in GAA history. This year he fought to the bitter end. He deserved better and so did his team-mates. A popular cliché tells us that no-one remembers the runners-up. But everyone will remember this Mayo side.
They'll be remembered when some teams which did win the Sam Maguire are forgotten outside their own county.
Mayo's big fault may have been that sometimes they cared a little too much and tried a little too hard. A touch more sang-froid at key moments might have worked wonders. But their flaws only made this big-hearted team all the more engaging. There was something emotionally involving about almost every one of their games.
Mayo 2011-2018 were a team unlike any other. They were everyone's favourite other side. They were Ireland's team.
God, we'll miss them.
Can't believe a Sligoman would be fawning over Mayo to that extent. Everyone's favourite other side my hole.
+1 this talk is BS anyway, there not as finished as people are making out, and when they do decline I wont miss them.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 03, 2018, 05:10:11 PM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on July 03, 2018, 01:34:33 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 03, 2018, 12:37:13 PM
Eamonn Sweeney got in on the act yesterday. A tad OTT I feel.
Eamonn Sweeney
July 2 2018 5:00 PM
The two-goal start handed to Donegal in the 2012 All-Ireland final, the defensive mix-up which gave Bernard Brogan his first goal in the 2013 decider, the five-point lead with five minutes left lost in the 2014 semi against Kerry, the two own goals in the drawn 2016 meeting with Dublin, the decision to replace All-Star goalkeeper David Clarke for the replay, the red card for Donal Vaughan just when it looked like they'd have an extra man for the closing 20 minutes of last year's final.
No team ever amassed quite as many might-have-been moments as Mayo. Their story is one of turning points which turned the wrong way. Hope and history never quite rhymed. Lady Luck always left with someone else.
A momentous era ended in Newbridge on Saturday night. It began on July 31, 2011 when an unfancied Mayo side, who'd only defeated London by a single point in their opening Connacht Championship match, beat reigning All-Ireland champions Cork 1-13 to 2-6 in a Croke Park quarter-final. Kerry disposed of them easily enough next time out but Mayo, under manager James Horan, seemed a team on the way up. The following year they once more upset the reigning champs, beating Dublin by three points in a tremendous semi-final. Yet this was Donegal and Jim McGuinness's year. Cynics suggested Mayo had merely made life easier for the new champions by clearing a better side out of the way.
Mayo demanded respect in 2013. For the third year in a row they deposed the title-holders, beating Donegal by 16 points in the quarter-final. The final could have gone either way but it went Dublin's by a point. Yet it looked like Mayo's time would surely come soon.
They were perhaps never better than in the 2014 semi-final against Kerry. Mayo played the second half with 14 men after Lee Keegan was sent off just before the break but looked to have won the game before Kieran Donaghy came on.
The moment when the big man superbly fielded a high ball before slipping it to James O'Donoghue who stuck it into the net felt like a significant turning point. Mayo lost the replay after extra-time, their disappointment exacerbated by a sense of injustice. There were some dubious refereeing decisions and the game had been played in Kingdom-friendly Limerick because Croke Park was hosting an American Football match.
The resignation of Horan afterwards seemed to confirm the feeling that this Mayo side, like their predecessors who'd lost the 1996 and 1997 and 2004 and 2006 finals, would fade away in the face of sustained disappointment.
Yet they were back in the semis the following year, under the joint management of Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes, and led Dublin going into the final quarter before being undone by a devastating three-goal burst.
A players' putsch saw Stephen Rochford take over as manager for 2016 but a first Connacht Championship defeat to Galway in eight years and a halting progress through the qualifiers suggested a team in decline. Few predicted anything other than comprehensive defeat for them in the final against Dublin.
Instead Mayo would have won the drawn game but for own goals from Kevin McLoughlin and Colm Boyle which kept the floundering Dubs in the contest. The unfortunate nature of both scores made you wonder if somebody up there didn't like Mayo.
In the replay, the misfortune was self-inflicted. Rochford's decision to replace Clarke with Rob Hennelly may well be the worst miscalculation in All-Ireland football final history. A botched kick-out by the replacement led to Lee Keegan, the best player in football that year, getting a black card. A Hennelly fumble gave Dublin a penalty converted by Diarmuid Connolly which proved vital as Mayo lost a second final in four years by a single point.
By now Mayo's attempts to finally land the All-Ireland had become Irish sport's great epic quest. Their 2017 championship campaign was extraordinary. Another defeat by Galway led to an odyssey which saw them play seven games, two of which went to extra-time, before encountering Dublin once more in the final.
When an inspired Mayo led by two points with six minutes left, the grail seemed within their grasp. Instead Dublin prevailed by one point for a third time. Cillian O'Connor's free to put Mayo ahead in injury-time came back off the post, Dean Rock's similar effort for Dublin sailed over.
The Mayo story had come to seem like the saddest GAA story ever told. Yet the memories are not all of what might have been.
There's also Kevin McLoughlin's rocket against Cork that announced the team's arrival, David Clarke pulling off a point-blank save from Bernard Brogan, Aidan O'Shea soaring high and finishing with aplomb against Donegal, Cillian O'Connor landing a last-ditch equaliser against the Dubs, Lee Keegan galloping through the Dublin defence and lashing a shot past Stephen Cluxton, Keith Higgins hunting down and foiling Paul Geaney with the game in the balance, Chris Barrett's herculean blocks, intercepts and dispossessions in last year's final and the whole of Andy Moran's incredible 2017.
Saturday's game ended with Moran firing a shot narrowly over. Last year he produced probably the greatest veteran season in GAA history. This year he fought to the bitter end. He deserved better and so did his team-mates. A popular cliché tells us that no-one remembers the runners-up. But everyone will remember this Mayo side.
They'll be remembered when some teams which did win the Sam Maguire are forgotten outside their own county.
Mayo's big fault may have been that sometimes they cared a little too much and tried a little too hard. A touch more sang-froid at key moments might have worked wonders. But their flaws only made this big-hearted team all the more engaging. There was something emotionally involving about almost every one of their games.
Mayo 2011-2018 were a team unlike any other. They were everyone's favourite other side. They were Ireland's team.
God, we'll miss them.
Can't believe a Sligoman would be fawning over Mayo to that extent. Everyone's favourite other side my hole.
+1 this talk is BS anyway, there not as finished as people are making out, and when they do decline I wont miss them.
Sligonian, we just saw them being well beaten by a team who got hammered by Carlow this summer, the decline has very much happened.
Quote from: Syferus on July 03, 2018, 05:13:51 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 03, 2018, 05:10:11 PM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on July 03, 2018, 01:34:33 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 03, 2018, 12:37:13 PM
Eamonn Sweeney got in on the act yesterday. A tad OTT I feel.
Eamonn Sweeney
July 2 2018 5:00 PM
The two-goal start handed to Donegal in the 2012 All-Ireland final, the defensive mix-up which gave Bernard Brogan his first goal in the 2013 decider, the five-point lead with five minutes left lost in the 2014 semi against Kerry, the two own goals in the drawn 2016 meeting with Dublin, the decision to replace All-Star goalkeeper David Clarke for the replay, the red card for Donal Vaughan just when it looked like they'd have an extra man for the closing 20 minutes of last year's final.
No team ever amassed quite as many might-have-been moments as Mayo. Their story is one of turning points which turned the wrong way. Hope and history never quite rhymed. Lady Luck always left with someone else.
A momentous era ended in Newbridge on Saturday night. It began on July 31, 2011 when an unfancied Mayo side, who'd only defeated London by a single point in their opening Connacht Championship match, beat reigning All-Ireland champions Cork 1-13 to 2-6 in a Croke Park quarter-final. Kerry disposed of them easily enough next time out but Mayo, under manager James Horan, seemed a team on the way up. The following year they once more upset the reigning champs, beating Dublin by three points in a tremendous semi-final. Yet this was Donegal and Jim McGuinness's year. Cynics suggested Mayo had merely made life easier for the new champions by clearing a better side out of the way.
Mayo demanded respect in 2013. For the third year in a row they deposed the title-holders, beating Donegal by 16 points in the quarter-final. The final could have gone either way but it went Dublin's by a point. Yet it looked like Mayo's time would surely come soon.
They were perhaps never better than in the 2014 semi-final against Kerry. Mayo played the second half with 14 men after Lee Keegan was sent off just before the break but looked to have won the game before Kieran Donaghy came on.
The moment when the big man superbly fielded a high ball before slipping it to James O'Donoghue who stuck it into the net felt like a significant turning point. Mayo lost the replay after extra-time, their disappointment exacerbated by a sense of injustice. There were some dubious refereeing decisions and the game had been played in Kingdom-friendly Limerick because Croke Park was hosting an American Football match.
The resignation of Horan afterwards seemed to confirm the feeling that this Mayo side, like their predecessors who'd lost the 1996 and 1997 and 2004 and 2006 finals, would fade away in the face of sustained disappointment.
Yet they were back in the semis the following year, under the joint management of Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes, and led Dublin going into the final quarter before being undone by a devastating three-goal burst.
A players' putsch saw Stephen Rochford take over as manager for 2016 but a first Connacht Championship defeat to Galway in eight years and a halting progress through the qualifiers suggested a team in decline. Few predicted anything other than comprehensive defeat for them in the final against Dublin.
Instead Mayo would have won the drawn game but for own goals from Kevin McLoughlin and Colm Boyle which kept the floundering Dubs in the contest. The unfortunate nature of both scores made you wonder if somebody up there didn't like Mayo.
In the replay, the misfortune was self-inflicted. Rochford's decision to replace Clarke with Rob Hennelly may well be the worst miscalculation in All-Ireland football final history. A botched kick-out by the replacement led to Lee Keegan, the best player in football that year, getting a black card. A Hennelly fumble gave Dublin a penalty converted by Diarmuid Connolly which proved vital as Mayo lost a second final in four years by a single point.
By now Mayo's attempts to finally land the All-Ireland had become Irish sport's great epic quest. Their 2017 championship campaign was extraordinary. Another defeat by Galway led to an odyssey which saw them play seven games, two of which went to extra-time, before encountering Dublin once more in the final.
When an inspired Mayo led by two points with six minutes left, the grail seemed within their grasp. Instead Dublin prevailed by one point for a third time. Cillian O'Connor's free to put Mayo ahead in injury-time came back off the post, Dean Rock's similar effort for Dublin sailed over.
The Mayo story had come to seem like the saddest GAA story ever told. Yet the memories are not all of what might have been.
There's also Kevin McLoughlin's rocket against Cork that announced the team's arrival, David Clarke pulling off a point-blank save from Bernard Brogan, Aidan O'Shea soaring high and finishing with aplomb against Donegal, Cillian O'Connor landing a last-ditch equaliser against the Dubs, Lee Keegan galloping through the Dublin defence and lashing a shot past Stephen Cluxton, Keith Higgins hunting down and foiling Paul Geaney with the game in the balance, Chris Barrett's herculean blocks, intercepts and dispossessions in last year's final and the whole of Andy Moran's incredible 2017.
Saturday's game ended with Moran firing a shot narrowly over. Last year he produced probably the greatest veteran season in GAA history. This year he fought to the bitter end. He deserved better and so did his team-mates. A popular cliché tells us that no-one remembers the runners-up. But everyone will remember this Mayo side.
They'll be remembered when some teams which did win the Sam Maguire are forgotten outside their own county.
Mayo's big fault may have been that sometimes they cared a little too much and tried a little too hard. A touch more sang-froid at key moments might have worked wonders. But their flaws only made this big-hearted team all the more engaging. There was something emotionally involving about almost every one of their games.
Mayo 2011-2018 were a team unlike any other. They were everyone's favourite other side. They were Ireland's team.
God, we'll miss them.
Can't believe a Sligoman would be fawning over Mayo to that extent. Everyone's favourite other side my hole.
+1 this talk is BS anyway, there not as finished as people are making out, and when they do decline I wont miss them.
Sligonian, we just saw them being well beaten by a team who got hammered by Carlow this summer, the decline has very much happened.
And how long did it take them to recover from the 2010 defeat to Div 4 Longford or nearly get knocked out by London in 2011. Took them only a couple of months to knock out Cork, the reigning All-Ireland champions. The word "nucleus" has been overused since Saturday but they still have a very solid core between the ages of 23 and 28.
Quote from: weareros on July 03, 2018, 05:33:20 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 03, 2018, 05:13:51 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 03, 2018, 05:10:11 PM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on July 03, 2018, 01:34:33 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 03, 2018, 12:37:13 PM
Eamonn Sweeney got in on the act yesterday. A tad OTT I feel.
Eamonn Sweeney
July 2 2018 5:00 PM
The two-goal start handed to Donegal in the 2012 All-Ireland final, the defensive mix-up which gave Bernard Brogan his first goal in the 2013 decider, the five-point lead with five minutes left lost in the 2014 semi against Kerry, the two own goals in the drawn 2016 meeting with Dublin, the decision to replace All-Star goalkeeper David Clarke for the replay, the red card for Donal Vaughan just when it looked like they'd have an extra man for the closing 20 minutes of last year's final.
No team ever amassed quite as many might-have-been moments as Mayo. Their story is one of turning points which turned the wrong way. Hope and history never quite rhymed. Lady Luck always left with someone else.
A momentous era ended in Newbridge on Saturday night. It began on July 31, 2011 when an unfancied Mayo side, who'd only defeated London by a single point in their opening Connacht Championship match, beat reigning All-Ireland champions Cork 1-13 to 2-6 in a Croke Park quarter-final. Kerry disposed of them easily enough next time out but Mayo, under manager James Horan, seemed a team on the way up. The following year they once more upset the reigning champs, beating Dublin by three points in a tremendous semi-final. Yet this was Donegal and Jim McGuinness's year. Cynics suggested Mayo had merely made life easier for the new champions by clearing a better side out of the way.
Mayo demanded respect in 2013. For the third year in a row they deposed the title-holders, beating Donegal by 16 points in the quarter-final. The final could have gone either way but it went Dublin's by a point. Yet it looked like Mayo's time would surely come soon.
They were perhaps never better than in the 2014 semi-final against Kerry. Mayo played the second half with 14 men after Lee Keegan was sent off just before the break but looked to have won the game before Kieran Donaghy came on.
The moment when the big man superbly fielded a high ball before slipping it to James O'Donoghue who stuck it into the net felt like a significant turning point. Mayo lost the replay after extra-time, their disappointment exacerbated by a sense of injustice. There were some dubious refereeing decisions and the game had been played in Kingdom-friendly Limerick because Croke Park was hosting an American Football match.
The resignation of Horan afterwards seemed to confirm the feeling that this Mayo side, like their predecessors who'd lost the 1996 and 1997 and 2004 and 2006 finals, would fade away in the face of sustained disappointment.
Yet they were back in the semis the following year, under the joint management of Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes, and led Dublin going into the final quarter before being undone by a devastating three-goal burst.
A players' putsch saw Stephen Rochford take over as manager for 2016 but a first Connacht Championship defeat to Galway in eight years and a halting progress through the qualifiers suggested a team in decline. Few predicted anything other than comprehensive defeat for them in the final against Dublin.
Instead Mayo would have won the drawn game but for own goals from Kevin McLoughlin and Colm Boyle which kept the floundering Dubs in the contest. The unfortunate nature of both scores made you wonder if somebody up there didn't like Mayo.
In the replay, the misfortune was self-inflicted. Rochford's decision to replace Clarke with Rob Hennelly may well be the worst miscalculation in All-Ireland football final history. A botched kick-out by the replacement led to Lee Keegan, the best player in football that year, getting a black card. A Hennelly fumble gave Dublin a penalty converted by Diarmuid Connolly which proved vital as Mayo lost a second final in four years by a single point.
By now Mayo's attempts to finally land the All-Ireland had become Irish sport's great epic quest. Their 2017 championship campaign was extraordinary. Another defeat by Galway led to an odyssey which saw them play seven games, two of which went to extra-time, before encountering Dublin once more in the final.
When an inspired Mayo led by two points with six minutes left, the grail seemed within their grasp. Instead Dublin prevailed by one point for a third time. Cillian O'Connor's free to put Mayo ahead in injury-time came back off the post, Dean Rock's similar effort for Dublin sailed over.
The Mayo story had come to seem like the saddest GAA story ever told. Yet the memories are not all of what might have been.
There's also Kevin McLoughlin's rocket against Cork that announced the team's arrival, David Clarke pulling off a point-blank save from Bernard Brogan, Aidan O'Shea soaring high and finishing with aplomb against Donegal, Cillian O'Connor landing a last-ditch equaliser against the Dubs, Lee Keegan galloping through the Dublin defence and lashing a shot past Stephen Cluxton, Keith Higgins hunting down and foiling Paul Geaney with the game in the balance, Chris Barrett's herculean blocks, intercepts and dispossessions in last year's final and the whole of Andy Moran's incredible 2017.
Saturday's game ended with Moran firing a shot narrowly over. Last year he produced probably the greatest veteran season in GAA history. This year he fought to the bitter end. He deserved better and so did his team-mates. A popular cliché tells us that no-one remembers the runners-up. But everyone will remember this Mayo side.
They'll be remembered when some teams which did win the Sam Maguire are forgotten outside their own county.
Mayo's big fault may have been that sometimes they cared a little too much and tried a little too hard. A touch more sang-froid at key moments might have worked wonders. But their flaws only made this big-hearted team all the more engaging. There was something emotionally involving about almost every one of their games.
Mayo 2011-2018 were a team unlike any other. They were everyone's favourite other side. They were Ireland's team.
God, we'll miss them.
Can't believe a Sligoman would be fawning over Mayo to that extent. Everyone's favourite other side my hole.
+1 this talk is BS anyway, there not as finished as people are making out, and when they do decline I wont miss them.
Sligonian, we just saw them being well beaten by a team who got hammered by Carlow this summer, the decline has very much happened.
And how long did it take them to recover from the 2010 defeat to Div 4 Longford or nearly get knocked out by London in 2011. Took them only a couple of months to knock out Cork, the reigning All-Ireland champions. The word “nucleus” has been overused since Saturday but they still have a very solid core between the ages of 23 and 28.
The core of the team is a bit older than that. Goalkeeper,Full back,center half back,first choice midfielders and main scoring forward from play are all in their 30s now. 2010 and 2011 Mayo sides were young developing teams in comparison
Quote from: weareros on July 03, 2018, 05:33:20 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 03, 2018, 05:13:51 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 03, 2018, 05:10:11 PM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on July 03, 2018, 01:34:33 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 03, 2018, 12:37:13 PM
Eamonn Sweeney got in on the act yesterday. A tad OTT I feel.
Eamonn Sweeney
July 2 2018 5:00 PM
The two-goal start handed to Donegal in the 2012 All-Ireland final, the defensive mix-up which gave Bernard Brogan his first goal in the 2013 decider, the five-point lead with five minutes left lost in the 2014 semi against Kerry, the two own goals in the drawn 2016 meeting with Dublin, the decision to replace All-Star goalkeeper David Clarke for the replay, the red card for Donal Vaughan just when it looked like they'd have an extra man for the closing 20 minutes of last year's final.
No team ever amassed quite as many might-have-been moments as Mayo. Their story is one of turning points which turned the wrong way. Hope and history never quite rhymed. Lady Luck always left with someone else.
A momentous era ended in Newbridge on Saturday night. It began on July 31, 2011 when an unfancied Mayo side, who'd only defeated London by a single point in their opening Connacht Championship match, beat reigning All-Ireland champions Cork 1-13 to 2-6 in a Croke Park quarter-final. Kerry disposed of them easily enough next time out but Mayo, under manager James Horan, seemed a team on the way up. The following year they once more upset the reigning champs, beating Dublin by three points in a tremendous semi-final. Yet this was Donegal and Jim McGuinness's year. Cynics suggested Mayo had merely made life easier for the new champions by clearing a better side out of the way.
Mayo demanded respect in 2013. For the third year in a row they deposed the title-holders, beating Donegal by 16 points in the quarter-final. The final could have gone either way but it went Dublin's by a point. Yet it looked like Mayo's time would surely come soon.
They were perhaps never better than in the 2014 semi-final against Kerry. Mayo played the second half with 14 men after Lee Keegan was sent off just before the break but looked to have won the game before Kieran Donaghy came on.
The moment when the big man superbly fielded a high ball before slipping it to James O'Donoghue who stuck it into the net felt like a significant turning point. Mayo lost the replay after extra-time, their disappointment exacerbated by a sense of injustice. There were some dubious refereeing decisions and the game had been played in Kingdom-friendly Limerick because Croke Park was hosting an American Football match.
The resignation of Horan afterwards seemed to confirm the feeling that this Mayo side, like their predecessors who'd lost the 1996 and 1997 and 2004 and 2006 finals, would fade away in the face of sustained disappointment.
Yet they were back in the semis the following year, under the joint management of Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes, and led Dublin going into the final quarter before being undone by a devastating three-goal burst.
A players' putsch saw Stephen Rochford take over as manager for 2016 but a first Connacht Championship defeat to Galway in eight years and a halting progress through the qualifiers suggested a team in decline. Few predicted anything other than comprehensive defeat for them in the final against Dublin.
Instead Mayo would have won the drawn game but for own goals from Kevin McLoughlin and Colm Boyle which kept the floundering Dubs in the contest. The unfortunate nature of both scores made you wonder if somebody up there didn't like Mayo.
In the replay, the misfortune was self-inflicted. Rochford's decision to replace Clarke with Rob Hennelly may well be the worst miscalculation in All-Ireland football final history. A botched kick-out by the replacement led to Lee Keegan, the best player in football that year, getting a black card. A Hennelly fumble gave Dublin a penalty converted by Diarmuid Connolly which proved vital as Mayo lost a second final in four years by a single point.
By now Mayo's attempts to finally land the All-Ireland had become Irish sport's great epic quest. Their 2017 championship campaign was extraordinary. Another defeat by Galway led to an odyssey which saw them play seven games, two of which went to extra-time, before encountering Dublin once more in the final.
When an inspired Mayo led by two points with six minutes left, the grail seemed within their grasp. Instead Dublin prevailed by one point for a third time. Cillian O'Connor's free to put Mayo ahead in injury-time came back off the post, Dean Rock's similar effort for Dublin sailed over.
The Mayo story had come to seem like the saddest GAA story ever told. Yet the memories are not all of what might have been.
There's also Kevin McLoughlin's rocket against Cork that announced the team's arrival, David Clarke pulling off a point-blank save from Bernard Brogan, Aidan O'Shea soaring high and finishing with aplomb against Donegal, Cillian O'Connor landing a last-ditch equaliser against the Dubs, Lee Keegan galloping through the Dublin defence and lashing a shot past Stephen Cluxton, Keith Higgins hunting down and foiling Paul Geaney with the game in the balance, Chris Barrett's herculean blocks, intercepts and dispossessions in last year's final and the whole of Andy Moran's incredible 2017.
Saturday's game ended with Moran firing a shot narrowly over. Last year he produced probably the greatest veteran season in GAA history. This year he fought to the bitter end. He deserved better and so did his team-mates. A popular cliché tells us that no-one remembers the runners-up. But everyone will remember this Mayo side.
They'll be remembered when some teams which did win the Sam Maguire are forgotten outside their own county.
Mayo's big fault may have been that sometimes they cared a little too much and tried a little too hard. A touch more sang-froid at key moments might have worked wonders. But their flaws only made this big-hearted team all the more engaging. There was something emotionally involving about almost every one of their games.
Mayo 2011-2018 were a team unlike any other. They were everyone's favourite other side. They were Ireland's team.
God, we'll miss them.
Can't believe a Sligoman would be fawning over Mayo to that extent. Everyone's favourite other side my hole.
+1 this talk is BS anyway, there not as finished as people are making out, and when they do decline I wont miss them.
Sligonian, we just saw them being well beaten by a team who got hammered by Carlow this summer, the decline has very much happened.
And how long did it take them to recover from the 2010 defeat to Div 4 Longford or nearly get knocked out by London in 2011. Took them only a couple of months to knock out Cork, the reigning All-Ireland champions. The word "nucleus" has been overused since Saturday but they still have a very solid core between the ages of 23 and 28.
If you think replacing Clarke, Higgins, Boyle, SOS, Parsons (will he ever play again?), Moran, Caffreky will happen overnight then you're codding yourself. The likes of Barrett, Vaughan, maybe even Doherty and McLoughlin's, best days are behind them too even if they continue. Indeed many of those players were both there for that loss to Longford and the beating of AI finalists the next year; they didn't really retrofit the squad to make that leap. This time the core of team is old, in some positions very old. There's a reason Rochford showed no faith in other players. Mayo will not be AI contenders next season.
Mayo have the "end of a great team" problem without having won Sam. The best players play again and again because young lads can't be as good as them and when the team breaks up there are no replacements. Happened recently to Man Utd, Barcelona, Spain and Kilkenny.
You cannot plug in a few under 21s and rev the machine again.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0627/973716-brennan-galway-remind-me-of-kilkenny-in-their-pomp/
"The worry is that Kilkenny are at a different stage. I had a lot of these guys at U21 last year, and they are really talented and well able to hurl, but you have to have the complete package. Two or three years of strength and conditioning is requisite now for anyone."
Possible 2019 Mayo team?
--------------------Hennelly
O'Donoghue----S Cunniffe?------Harrison
Akram------------Keegan---------P Durcan
-----------Coen----------AO'S
McLoughlin-------DO'C----------Hanley
Loftus-----------CO'C----------Doherty
Subs to include - SO'S, Regan, Hall, J Durcan, Drake and whoever else of the old guard that can go again. Defence is the area they need to refresh most though.
They won't be gone too far away next year regardless.
Agree with Syf on this one. We won't be all Ireland contenders for a few years at least. We weren't contenders this year imo. It was an 'as far as we can go' year for me. And the end has come this year. But, as weareros said we have NY next year. Our relatively unfancied u20s are in an all Ireland semi. Whatever happens there, happens. I'm not expecting an all Ireland with Kerry in their pomp at this level, but in terms of Connacht we might nab one or two now and again in the near future.
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on July 03, 2018, 06:27:05 PM
Possible 2019 Mayo team?
--------------------Hennelly
O'Donoghue----Harrison------Barrett
Akram------------Keegan---------P Durcan
-----------Vaughan----------DO'C
McLoughlin-------AOS----------Durcan
Loftus-----------CO'C----------Doherty
Subs to include - SO'S, Regan, Hall, Hanley, Drake, Boland, Douglas and whoever else of the old guard that can go again. Defence is the area they need to refresh most though.
They won't be gone too far away next year regardless.
Swap AOS and DOC for a start, AOS hasn't the engine for it.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on July 03, 2018, 07:22:58 PM
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on July 03, 2018, 06:27:05 PM
Possible 2019 Mayo team?
--------------------Hennelly
O'Donoghue----Harrison------Barrett
Akram------------Keegan---------P Durcan
-----------Vaughan----------DO'C
McLoughlin-------AOS----------Durcan
Loftus-----------CO'C----------Doherty
Subs to include - SO'S, Regan, Hall, Hanley, Drake, Boland, Douglas and whoever else of the old guard that can go again. Defence is the area they need to refresh most though.
They won't be gone too far away next year regardless.
Swap AOS and DOC for a start, AOS hasn't the engine for it.
AO'S played a lot more deeper than DO'C Saturday evening and gave him the freedom to get forward as well as he did. They wouldn't be playing in the traditonal formation anyway but both will be there. No Coen would be madness, he will be accommodated somewhere. Barrett's legs are gone while Vaughan has had a bad time with injuries, still good squad options. The likes of Douglas and Drake are not good enough and time isn't exactly on their side anymore.
Can't ye Co. Mayo people just enjoy the rest for the next few months😀 and don't be worrying about 2019.
The misguided ones from Ballagh can of course support their own County team ( hopefully for more than 4 days)
Quote from: Rossfan on July 03, 2018, 08:04:23 PM
Can't ye Co. Mayo people just enjoy the rest for the next few months😀 and don't be worrying about 2019.
The misguided ones from Ballagh can of course support their own County team ( hopefully for more than 4 days)
It's not really Mayo people though is it, article after article , story after story. Every Jim and Joe want to contribute.
Box office will be missed that is for sure. #hatedadoredbutneveeignored
Quote from: larryin89 on July 03, 2018, 08:44:42 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 03, 2018, 08:04:23 PM
Can't ye Co. Mayo people just enjoy the rest for the next few months😀 and don't be worrying about 2019.
The misguided ones from Ballagh can of course support their own County team ( hopefully for more than 4 days)
It's not really Mayo people though is it, article after article , story after story. Every Jim and Joe want to contribute.
Box office will be missed that is for sure. #hatedadoredbutneveeignored
Mayo have been regularly ignored..
Quote from: Syferus on July 03, 2018, 08:45:34 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on July 03, 2018, 08:44:42 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 03, 2018, 08:04:23 PM
Can't ye Co. Mayo people just enjoy the rest for the next few months😀 and don't be worrying about 2019.
The misguided ones from Ballagh can of course support their own County team ( hopefully for more than 4 days)
It's not really Mayo people though is it, article after article , story after story. Every Jim and Joe want to contribute.
Box office will be missed that is for sure. #hatedadoredbutneveeignored
Mayo have been regularly ignored..
Not by you Syferus! ::)
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 03, 2018, 09:00:09 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 03, 2018, 08:45:34 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on July 03, 2018, 08:44:42 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 03, 2018, 08:04:23 PM
Can't ye Co. Mayo people just enjoy the rest for the next few months😀 and don't be worrying about 2019.
The misguided ones from Ballagh can of course support their own County team ( hopefully for more than 4 days)
It's not really Mayo people though is it, article after article , story after story. Every Jim and Joe want to contribute.
Box office will be missed that is for sure. #hatedadoredbutneveeignored
Mayo have been regularly ignored..
Not by you Syferus! ::)
Not while they were relevant to the AI picture, no. But there wasn't much talk about Mayo in 2011 and there probably won't be a huge amount in 2019 either. People only pay attention for how long the show lasts.
Mayo should look at trying to blood 7 or 8 men nxt Yr! This current team has grown old together with the while Dublin change 2 or 3 players every couple of yrs
Quote from: Syferus on July 03, 2018, 09:13:22 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 03, 2018, 09:00:09 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 03, 2018, 08:45:34 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on July 03, 2018, 08:44:42 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 03, 2018, 08:04:23 PM
Can't ye Co. Mayo people just enjoy the rest for the next few months😀 and don't be worrying about 2019.
The misguided ones from Ballagh can of course support their own County team ( hopefully for more than 4 days)
It's not really Mayo people though is it, article after article , story after story. Every Jim and Joe want to contribute.
Box office will be missed that is for sure. #hatedadoredbutneveeignored
Mayo have been regularly ignored..
Not by you Syferus! ::)
Not while they were relevant to the AI picture, no. But there wasn't much talk about Mayo in 2011 and there're probably won't be a huge amount in 2019 either. People only pay attention for how long the show lasts.
Ah its been a slow long death. Anyway we are where we are. People say this team won't be forgotten. Sadly they will be outside of Mayo. Winners are always remembered, losers are only remembered if they once won. Some valiant efforts.
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on July 03, 2018, 07:45:56 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on July 03, 2018, 07:22:58 PM
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on July 03, 2018, 06:27:05 PM
Possible 2019 Mayo team?
--------------------Hennelly
O'Donoghue----Harrison------Barrett
Akram------------Keegan---------P Durcan
-----------Vaughan----------DO'C
McLoughlin-------AOS----------Durcan
Loftus-----------CO'C----------Doherty
Subs to include - SO'S, Regan, Hall, Hanley, Drake, Boland, Douglas and whoever else of the old guard that can go again. Defence is the area they need to refresh most though.
They won't be gone too far away next year regardless.
Swap AOS and DOC for a start, AOS hasn't the engine for it.
AO'S played a lot more deeper than DO'C Saturday evening and gave him the freedom to get forward as well as he did. They wouldn't be playing in the traditonal formation anyway but both will be there. No Coen would be madness, he will be accommodated somewhere. Barrett's legs are gone while Vaughan has had a bad time with injuries, still good squad options. The likes of Douglas and Drake are not good enough and time isn't exactly on their side anymore.
Coen just isn't good enough at this level imo
He is 22 and has captained his county to minor and u21 all Irelands and has captained his college to a Sigerson. He has size, decent pace and has good footballing ability, the only thing lacking is a defined role in this Mayo team.
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on July 03, 2018, 10:43:59 PM
He is 22 and has captained his county to minor and u21 all Irelands and has captained his college to a Sigerson. He has size, decent pace and has good footballing ability, the only thing lacking is a defined role in this Mayo team.
Played some good stuff with UCD over the years.
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on July 03, 2018, 10:43:59 PM
He is 22 and has captained his county to minor and u21 all Irelands and has captained his college to a Sigerson. He has size, decent pace and has good footballing ability, the only thing lacking is a defined role in this Mayo team.
If Stephen Coen has pace, I'm Usain Bolt.
Being an underage captain means fûck all with regards how well suited a player is to senior IC.
Quote from: Syferus on July 03, 2018, 10:56:02 PM
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on July 03, 2018, 10:43:59 PM
He is 22 and has captained his county to minor and u21 all Irelands and has captained his college to a Sigerson. He has size, decent pace and has good footballing ability, the only thing lacking is a defined role in this Mayo team.
If Stephen Coen has pace, I'm Usain Bolt.
Nah, you're Ben Johnson!😂😂😂
In all fairness, it's only a game of football. Mayo are out, weren't good enough-probably punched above their weight. The whole quest for Sam thing was becoming a bit boring for the rest of us. Will be good to see a new final. Hopefully Mayo are back refreshed next year with the sole target to win Connacht like every other half daycent team.
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 03, 2018, 10:23:05 AM
The heat wave is making people delirious.
" they're the best team to never win an All-Ireland but contrary to the history books, this is a team full of winners."
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/american-club-confirm-deadline-day-signing-of-mayo-duo-166706
Its getting to embarrassing levels now on Social media and indo media fawning over the peoples champs.
The only sure thing on annual basis in the GAA that Mayo would not win the all Ireland.
Yeah, the best team not to win the All-Ireland is the 1982 Kerry team
Quote from: blanketattack on July 04, 2018, 12:23:49 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 03, 2018, 10:23:05 AM
The heat wave is making people delirious.
" they're the best team to never win an All-Ireland but contrary to the history books, this is a team full of winners."
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/american-club-confirm-deadline-day-signing-of-mayo-duo-166706
Its getting to embarrassing levels now on Social media and indo media fawning over the peoples champs.
The only sure thing on annual basis in the GAA that Mayo would not win the all Ireland.
Yeah, the best team not to win the All-Ireland is the 1982 Kerry team
also failed to win '83 All Ireland 8)
Quote from: blanketattack on July 04, 2018, 12:23:49 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 03, 2018, 10:23:05 AM
The heat wave is making people delirious.
" they're the best team to never win an All-Ireland but contrary to the history books, this is a team full of winners."
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/american-club-confirm-deadline-day-signing-of-mayo-duo-166706
Its getting to embarrassing levels now on Social media and indo media fawning over the peoples champs.
The only sure thing on annual basis in the GAA that Mayo would not win the all Ireland.
Yeah, the best team not to win the All-Ireland is the 1982 Kerry team
That team won't plenty AIs
But Mayo captured a right few hearts. I hated them in 89 and 04, but only having experienced the elation of multiple Sams you finally understand it. Their hunger can't be matched by any county. Throw in the quality of that recent side. 3 AIs wouldn't have over achieved.
Think the mayo team that lost in 2012/13 were not nearly as good as the 2016/17 version, the latter team were a lot more streetwise and had better forwards , think the 16/17 team would have won the 2 earlier all Ireland's .
Maybe there's something wrong with me but I've never really cared that much whether they won the AI or not.
Quote from: blanketattack on July 04, 2018, 12:23:49 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 03, 2018, 10:23:05 AM
The heat wave is making people delirious.
" they're the best team to never win an All-Ireland but contrary to the history books, this is a team full of winners."
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/american-club-confirm-deadline-day-signing-of-mayo-duo-166706
Its getting to embarrassing levels now on Social media and indo media fawning over the peoples champs.
The only sure thing on annual basis in the GAA that Mayo would not win the all Ireland.
Yeah, the best team not to win the All-Ireland is the 1982 Kerry team
Possibly, however the part I tried to highlight is the "this is a team full of winners." part of that sentence. Oh we laughed.
Mayo possibly the best team never to win an alright, sure didn't they run the greatest team of all time very close.
Quote from: Gmac on July 04, 2018, 04:32:22 AM
Think the mayo team that lost in 2012/13 were not nearly as good as the 2016/17 version, the latter team were a lot more streetwise and had better forwards , think the 16/17 team would have won the 2 earlier all Ireland's .
16/17 teams showed signs of wear and tear on route to both finals even though some claimed it was part of their plan to peak later, a theory i never bought into. The 2013 team was probably their best team in the best form.
Waterford hurlers late 90s on were similar to.this Mayo team. Ran into one of the great teams . Would probably have won an all Ireland otherwise. Gave some great performances. Loads of all stars.
Waterford have been waiting since 59. Mayo since 51.
QuoteCan't believe a Sligoman would be fawning over Mayo to that extent. Everyone's favourite other side my hole.
Sweeney is the same as the rest of them and trying to win us back, that's all. We were lions led by donkey's a while back in his mind. It was the same years back when the same clown criticised Joe Smidht and the Rugby lads as some sort of posers. He got that wrong too and ended up fawning over them after their success.
No Mayo person is seeking this out, it's media driven page filler nonsense. It's a pity as I used to like reading him and the Rovers stuff but he is just a fraud like a lot of them. Maybe the Cork lads have knocked the Sligo out of him.
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/eamonn-sweeney-tactically-mayo-are-lions-led-by-donkeys-36051842.html
http://spailpin.blogspot.com/
Here is a proper article that sums up where we.
Possible 2019 Mayo team?
--------------------Hennelly
Harrison----- ----Barrett ------Higgins
Keegan------------Vaughan---------P Durcan
-----------Tom Parsons----------DO'C
McLoughlin-------AOS----------Doherty
Loftus-----------B Regan----------CO'C
Subs to include - O'Donoghue, S OSé Akram James Durcan(in training to be come the new Andy) ,S Nally Regan, Hall, Hanley, , Boland, B Gallagher hopefully a few more will start to shine in the club championship
Manager andy Moran
I cant see any reason they wont challenge again next year
Kieran Shannon reckons Mayo would have a few more All Irelands were it not for bad refereeing calls . . .
Quote from: screenexile on July 05, 2018, 10:23:25 AM
Kieran Shannon reckons Mayo would have a few more All Irelands were it not for bad refereeing calls . . .
Yep, 1996 sticks out!
Quote from: Hound on July 05, 2018, 10:27:51 AM
Quote from: screenexile on July 05, 2018, 10:23:25 AM
Kieran Shannon reckons Mayo would have a few more All Irelands were it not for bad refereeing calls . . .
Yep, 1996 sticks out!
Last year
Quote from: Hound on July 05, 2018, 10:27:51 AM
Quote from: screenexile on July 05, 2018, 10:23:25 AM
Kieran Shannon reckons Mayo would have a few more All Irelands were it not for bad refereeing calls . . .
Yep, 1996 sticks out!
???
Quote from: screenexile on July 05, 2018, 10:23:25 AM
Kieran Shannon reckons Mayo would have a few more All Irelands were it not for bad refereeing calls . . .
I think his previous involvement with Mayo under the Horan regime should lead people to take his opinions on this group of Mayo players with a very large pinch of salt, he's simply been too close to too many of them to be unbiased enough for some of the arguments he is trying to make.
Quote from: screenexile on July 05, 2018, 10:23:25 AM
Kieran Shannon reckons Mayo would have a few more All Irelands were it not for bad refereeing calls . . .
In recent memory, Cillian O'Connor missed 2 very scoreable frees in 2 AIs.
Your man getting sent off rightly in the last AI after having a rush of blood.
There's 3 incidents that have nothing to do with referees. I feel for the Mayo players but the reason they didn't win is because they weren't good enough.
Quote from: screenexile on July 05, 2018, 10:23:25 AM
Kieran Shannon reckons Mayo would have a few more All Irelands were it not for bad refereeing calls . . .
Boats and ships on his mind maybe he has a cruise holiday coming up?
No Passengers on the Mayo panel he reckons yet some of fringe players he was talking up are very much passengers
Mayo have been brilliant for the last few years and rightly are getting plaudits. I think the obituaries are premature anyway as well. Still a very good team but they are being badly managed imo.
To say they've been unlucky with referees is bollox though. They've had as much luck as bad luck in many games they won.
Quote from: Jayop on July 05, 2018, 01:09:35 PM
Mayo have been brilliant for the last few years and rightly are getting plaudits. I think the obituaries are premature anyway as well. Still a very good team but they are being badly managed imo.
To say they've been unlucky with referees is bollox though. They've had as much luck as bad luck in many games they won.
And again, the obituaries are not premature. Even people in Mayo realise this year was the end of the chase for this code group. However long if takes them to build another team and if some of the younger panel members are still there when that happens is matterless to that fact.
Quote from: Syferus on July 05, 2018, 01:20:44 PM
Quote from: Jayop on July 05, 2018, 01:09:35 PM
Mayo have been brilliant for the last few years and rightly are getting plaudits. I think the obituaries are premature anyway as well. Still a very good team but they are being badly managed imo.
To say they've been unlucky with referees is bollox though. They've had as much luck as bad luck in many games they won.
And again, the obituaries are not premature. Even people in Mayo realise this year was the end of the chase for this code group. However long if takes them to build another team and if some of the younger panel members are still there when that happens is matterless to that fact.
12 posts on this thread of 6 pages.
4 posts on Ros v Armagh thread of 9 pages.
Are you sure you know where you're from at all?
Mayo have been in a position to put it up to Dublin due to their solidity at the back, ability to go man for man and still have the lungs to push up the field and take scores. Sadly, from the outside looking in, this year has shown that that solidity and dynamism from the rear guard is starting to falter. Not wanting to pick on individuals but this can be seen in a player like Boyle who was no where near his high standards this year. Even during the league.
Still think you should have had your AI in 2016 when the Dublin player (John Small?) clearly picked the ball off the ground following CoC's equaliser.
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 05, 2018, 02:13:17 PM
Mayo have been in a position to put it up to Dublin due to their solidity at the back, ability to go man for man and still have the lungs to push up the field and take scores. Sadly, from the outside looking in, this year has shown that that solidity and dynamism from the rear guard is starting to falter. Not wanting to pick on individuals but this can be seen in a player like Boyle who was no where near his high standards this year. Even during the league.
Still think you should have had your AI in 2016 when the Dublin player (John Small?) clearly picked the ball off the ground following CoC's equaliser.
Yes, referee bottled it! In fairness it's hard for a referee to give big decisions against Dublin in Croke Park!
Quote from: Tubberman on July 05, 2018, 01:34:31 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 05, 2018, 01:20:44 PM
Quote from: Jayop on July 05, 2018, 01:09:35 PM
Mayo have been brilliant for the last few years and rightly are getting plaudits. I think the obituaries are premature anyway as well. Still a very good team but they are being badly managed imo.
To say they've been unlucky with referees is bollox though. They've had as much luck as bad luck in many games they won.
And again, the obituaries are not premature. Even people in Mayo realise this year was the end of the chase for this code group. However long if takes them to build another team and if some of the younger panel members are still there when that happens is matterless to that fact.
12 posts on this thread of 6 pages.
4 posts on Ros v Armagh thread of 9 pages.
Are you sure you know where you're from at all?
We haven't even announced a team yet.
Well done on derailing the thread to take a shot at someone, though, upholding GAABoard's oldest tradition.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 05, 2018, 02:17:50 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 05, 2018, 02:13:17 PM
Mayo have been in a position to put it up to Dublin due to their solidity at the back, ability to go man for man and still have the lungs to push up the field and take scores. Sadly, from the outside looking in, this year has shown that that solidity and dynamism from the rear guard is starting to falter. Not wanting to pick on individuals but this can be seen in a player like Boyle who was no where near his high standards this year. Even during the league.
Still think you should have had your AI in 2016 when the Dublin player (John Small?) clearly picked the ball off the ground following CoC's equaliser.
Yes, referee bottled it! In fairness it's hard for a referee to give big decisions against Dublin in Croke Park!
One of the most blatant pick up off the grounds I've seen! Being a Tyrone man I'm still slightly sensitive when it comes to refs blowing these fouls after our injustice v Dublin in 1995! :o
So every loss Mayo suffered to Dublin was down to poor refereeing. Heard it all now.
I remember replay 2015 Mayo were 4 points up at 55 minutes and lost by 7 points, I suppose that was down to the referee.
Mayo have got an easy ride of the media and referees all through out this decade, got away with some serious on field violence and still couldn't get over the line.
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 05, 2018, 02:45:27 PM
So every loss Mayo suffered to Dublin was down to poor refereeing. Heard it all now.
I remember replay 2015 Mayo were 4 points up at 55 minutes and lost by 7 points, I suppose that was down to the referee.
Mayo have got an easy ride of the media and referees all through out this decade, got away with some serious on field violence and still couldn't get over the line.
Did your man from Mayo tell you this during your half time break in the financial game?seriously though if you think Mayo are any dirtier or more cynical than Dublin or get an easier ride from referees or in the media than Dublin you are deluded!!
But I will humour you though, give me ten specific examples of where Mayo have gotten an easier ride than Dublin by a referee, the media and on field violence they have gotten away with.
Quote from: Jayop on July 05, 2018, 01:09:35 PM
Mayo have been brilliant for the last few years and rightly are getting plaudits. I think the obituaries are premature anyway as well. Still a very good team but they are being badly managed imo.
To say they've been unlucky with referees is bollox though. They've had as much luck as bad luck in many games they won.
They became a good team because they were well managed IMO. 2010 when they were beaten by Longford,Sligo another management coming in would have got rid of most of the players that started in those games and started again but not James Horan and Co as they knew if those players were better managed they could become in Horan's own words consistently competitive. The real jewel in Horans management was Donie Buckley and Mayo managing to keep him on after Horan left played a huge role in keeping them consistently competitive as seen with the back to back AI Ireland finals and pushing Dublin to the pin of their collar.
What happened this year however was combination of injuries and wear and tear catching up with this group of Mayo players. It remains to be seen where they go from here maybe the break will be their advantage but given the age and mileage on the clock of a lot of their core players a transition period is expected.
Quote from: Crete Boom on July 05, 2018, 03:30:27 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 05, 2018, 02:45:27 PM
So every loss Mayo suffered to Dublin was down to poor refereeing. Heard it all now.
I remember replay 2015 Mayo were 4 points up at 55 minutes and lost by 7 points, I suppose that was down to the referee.
Mayo have got an easy ride of the media and referees all through out this decade, got away with some serious on field violence and still couldn't get over the line.
Did your man from Mayo tell you this during your half time break in the financial game?seriously though if you think Mayo are any dirtier or more cynical than Dublin or get an easier ride from referees or in the media than Dublin you are deluded!!
But I will humour you though, give me ten specific examples of where Mayo have gotten an easier ride than Dublin by a referee, the media and on field violence they have gotten away with.
how many elbows had Cillian O'Connor delivered before he finally picked up a red v galway. Too many to mention individually, but when he did finally get sent off all you hear is that it was out of character for him!!
I get the narrative it's coming near the end for maybe three or four players but wtf is this obituary stuff . Mayo are always capable of winning connacht for a start .
Quote from: larryin89 on July 05, 2018, 05:29:35 PM
I get the narrative it's coming near the end for maybe three or four players but wtf is this obituary stuff . Mayo are always capable of winning connacht for a start .
The current team seems to be having awful bother even making the final.. Larrin, it must be tough being you this week. There's a Roscommon game this weekend so maybe you could sign into another of your accounts and try to get your kicks by WUMing?
Quote from: Syferus on July 05, 2018, 05:34:56 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on July 05, 2018, 05:29:35 PM
I get the narrative it's coming near the end for maybe three or four players but wtf is this obituary stuff . Mayo are always capable of winning connacht for a start .
The current seems to be having awful bother even making the final.. Larrin, it must be tough being you this week. There's a Roscommon game this weekend so maybe you could sign into another of your accounts and try to get your kicks by WUMing?
Wtf
Quote from: dublin7 on July 05, 2018, 05:10:23 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on July 05, 2018, 03:30:27 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 05, 2018, 02:45:27 PM
So every loss Mayo suffered to Dublin was down to poor refereeing. Heard it all now.
I remember replay 2015 Mayo were 4 points up at 55 minutes and lost by 7 points, I suppose that was down to the referee.
Mayo have got an easy ride of the media and referees all through out this decade, got away with some serious on field violence and still couldn't get over the line.
Did your man from Mayo tell you this during your half time break in the financial game?seriously though if you think Mayo are any dirtier or more cynical than Dublin or get an easier ride from referees or in the media than Dublin you are deluded!!
But I will humour you though, give me ten specific examples of where Mayo have gotten an easier ride than Dublin by a referee, the media and on field violence they have gotten away with.
how many elbows had Cillian O'Connor delivered before he finally picked up a red v galway. Too many to mention individually, but when he did finally get sent off all you hear is that it was out of character for him!!
If it so many then again give me ten specific examples of how Mayo are so much dirtier, more cynical, get an easier time in the media or from referees than Dublin or any other of the top teams!
Stats are there, look at last 3 years in league and championship, look at blacks, yellows and reds, free counts.
Seems particular more so in the last couple of years, possible frustration of not winning.
What, the Media darlings Mayo, come off it man.
Quote from: dublin7 on July 05, 2018, 05:10:23 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on July 05, 2018, 03:30:27 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 05, 2018, 02:45:27 PM
So every loss Mayo suffered to Dublin was down to poor refereeing. Heard it all now.
I remember replay 2015 Mayo were 4 points up at 55 minutes and lost by 7 points, I suppose that was down to the referee.
Mayo have got an easy ride of the media and referees all through out this decade, got away with some serious on field violence and still couldn't get over the line.
Did your man from Mayo tell you this during your half time break in the financial game?seriously though if you think Mayo are any dirtier or more cynical than Dublin or get an easier ride from referees or in the media than Dublin you are deluded!!
But I will humour you though, give me ten specific examples of where Mayo have gotten an easier ride than Dublin by a referee, the media and on field violence they have gotten away with.
how many elbows had Cillian O'Connor delivered before he finally picked up a red v galway. Too many to mention individually, but when he did finally get sent off all you hear is that it was out of character for him!!
Probably the same amount of bites that Philly McMahon delivered before he finally got sanctioned. Oh wait...he never got sanctioned did he. But sure his tough upbringing and charity work glossed over that. ::)
Glasshouses and stones come to mind.
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 06, 2018, 09:10:26 AM
Stats are there, look at last 3 years in league and championship, look at blacks, yellows and reds, free counts.
Seems particular more so in the last couple of years, possible frustration of not winning.
What, the Media darlings Mayo, come off it man.
More bluster and heresay, didn't Jim Gavin blame the referees when Dublin were the highest in the stats for frees conceeded and black cards in 2015 (which could be true in fairness to him).
Ten or more specific examples should be easy for a team you believe to be the dirtiest of all time. Again if Mayo are media darlings why don't you link at least 5 articles from big team cheer leaders in the media like Martin Breheny or Joe Brolly for instance??
Quote from: mup on July 06, 2018, 09:16:11 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on July 05, 2018, 05:10:23 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on July 05, 2018, 03:30:27 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 05, 2018, 02:45:27 PM
So every loss Mayo suffered to Dublin was down to poor refereeing. Heard it all now.
I remember replay 2015 Mayo were 4 points up at 55 minutes and lost by 7 points, I suppose that was down to the referee.
Mayo have got an easy ride of the media and referees all through out this decade, got away with some serious on field violence and still couldn't get over the line.
Did your man from Mayo tell you this during your half time break in the financial game?seriously though if you think Mayo are any dirtier or more cynical than Dublin or get an easier ride from referees or in the media than Dublin you are deluded!!
But I will humour you though, give me ten specific examples of where Mayo have gotten an easier ride than Dublin by a referee, the media and on field violence they have gotten away with.
how many elbows had Cillian O'Connor delivered before he finally picked up a red v galway. Too many to mention individually, but when he did finally get sent off all you hear is that it was out of character for him!!
Probably the same amount of bites that Philly McMahon delivered before he finally got sanctioned. Oh wait...he never got sanctioned did he. But sure his tough upbringing and charity work glossed over that. ::)
Glasshouses and stones come to mind.
Holy smokes! I did a double take when I read your post. I thought it sectioned you said!
Come to think of it, himself and a few of his mates could do with a compulsory holiday. ;D
Sorry lads but this thread is about Mayo. Deflections to other teams is a poor contribution to the thread.
But he did that and they did this.
See Galway Mayo game this year as example.
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 06, 2018, 10:06:14 AM
Sorry lads but this thread is about Mayo. Deflections to other teams is a poor contribution to the thread.
But he did that and they did this.
See Galway Mayo game this year as example.
Okay give me ten specific examples from this game of how Mayo are the dirtiest team ever, got a free ride from the referees, got favourable media treatment and how they were so much more the cynical team (more than any other team) in this game!
Specific: adjective, clearly definied of indentified.
I think this thread might be more about how you see Mayo than mayo itself but that is just my opinion not necessarliy a fact!! ;)
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 06, 2018, 09:53:55 AM
Quote from: mup on July 06, 2018, 09:16:11 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on July 05, 2018, 05:10:23 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on July 05, 2018, 03:30:27 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 05, 2018, 02:45:27 PM
So every loss Mayo suffered to Dublin was down to poor refereeing. Heard it all now.
I remember replay 2015 Mayo were 4 points up at 55 minutes and lost by 7 points, I suppose that was down to the referee.
Mayo have got an easy ride of the media and referees all through out this decade, got away with some serious on field violence and still couldn't get over the line.
Did your man from Mayo tell you this during your half time break in the financial game?seriously though if you think Mayo are any dirtier or more cynical than Dublin or get an easier ride from referees or in the media than Dublin you are deluded!!
But I will humour you though, give me ten specific examples of where Mayo have gotten an easier ride than Dublin by a referee, the media and on field violence they have gotten away with.
how many elbows had Cillian O'Connor delivered before he finally picked up a red v galway. Too many to mention individually, but when he did finally get sent off all you hear is that it was out of character for him!!
Probably the same amount of bites that Philly McMahon delivered before he finally got sanctioned. Oh wait...he never got sanctioned did he. But sure his tough upbringing and charity work glossed over that. ::)
Glasshouses and stones come to mind.
Holy smokes! I did a double take when I read your post. I thought it sectioned you said!
Come to think of it, himself and a few of his mates could do with a compulsory holiday. ;D
;)
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 06, 2018, 10:06:14 AM
Sorry lads but this thread is about Mayo. Deflections to other teams is a poor contribution to the thread.
But he did that and they did this.
See Galway Mayo game this year as example.
You're weird obsession with a team who hasn't won Sam in 67 yrs counting continues. We know we're no angels, no team at the top is. I thought you'd be enjoying the rest of the championship seeing as Dublin are about to win the 4 in a row, but here you are going on about Mayo...
Quote from: Crete Boom on July 06, 2018, 10:45:04 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 06, 2018, 10:06:14 AM
Sorry lads but this thread is about Mayo. Deflections to other teams is a poor contribution to the thread.
But he did that and they did this.
See Galway Mayo game this year as example.
Okay give me ten specific examples from this game of how Mayo are the dirtiest team ever, got a free ride from the referees, got favourable media treatment and how they were so much more the cynical team (more than any other team) in this game!
Specific: adjective, clearly definied of indentified.
I think this thread might be more about how you see Mayo than mayo itself but that is just my opinion not necessarliy a fact!! ;)
If you think I'm going looking for 10 times CO Celbowed playerys , well lifes too short. Offf the top of my head..
Against Dublin in the All Ireland semi final when he took out Rory O'Carroll
League game in croker he elbowed Philip McMahon and should have been sent off.
Last year in the first game against Roscommon he should have got a red card
That's 3 times he should have been sent off for the same offence and doesn't include the red he did get against Galway
Quote from: mup on July 06, 2018, 09:16:11 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on July 05, 2018, 05:10:23 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on July 05, 2018, 03:30:27 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 05, 2018, 02:45:27 PM
So every loss Mayo suffered to Dublin was down to poor refereeing. Heard it all now.
I remember replay 2015 Mayo were 4 points up at 55 minutes and lost by 7 points, I suppose that was down to the referee.
Mayo have got an easy ride of the media and referees all through out this decade, got away with some serious on field violence and still couldn't get over the line.
Did your man from Mayo tell you this during your half time break in the financial game?seriously though if you think Mayo are any dirtier or more cynical than Dublin or get an easier ride from referees or in the media than Dublin you are deluded!!
But I will humour you though, give me ten specific examples of where Mayo have gotten an easier ride than Dublin by a referee, the media and on field violence they have gotten away with.
how many elbows had Cillian O'Connor delivered before he finally picked up a red v galway. Too many to mention individually, but when he did finally get sent off all you hear is that it was out of character for him!!
Probably the same amount of bites that Philly McMahon delivered before he finally got sanctioned. Oh wait...he never got sanctioned did he. But sure his tough upbringing and charity work glossed over that. ::)
Glasshouses and stones come to mind.
When did Philly bite someone??If that Kerrigan incident Cork would have reported that? He was rightly sanctioned for gouge on Donaghy and should have got more than one game. What about the player who sledged him about his dead brother? Your out of order bringing his upbringing into this.
On another note, did any of you see that video of the Mayo lads singing Garth Brooks?? Jesus Mary and St Joseph, after getting dumped out of the Championship and you're gathered round a banjo singing '' I will sail my vessel untill the river runs dry'' . Heaven have mercy what a bundle of vain primadonnas.
Quote from: Therealdonald on July 06, 2018, 04:48:02 PM
On another note, did any of you see that video of the Mayo lads singing Garth Brooks?? Jesus Mary and St Joseph, after getting dumped out of the Championship and you're gathered round a banjo singing '' I will sail my vessel untill the river runs dry'' . Heaven have mercy what a bundle of vain primadonnas.
There amateur players and entitled to do what they want.
Quote from: dublin7 on July 06, 2018, 03:51:51 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on July 06, 2018, 10:45:04 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 06, 2018, 10:06:14 AM
Sorry lads but this thread is about Mayo. Deflections to other teams is a poor contribution to the thread.
But he did that and they did this.
See Galway Mayo game this year as example.
Okay give me ten specific examples from this game of how Mayo are the dirtiest team ever, got a free ride from the referees, got favourable media treatment and how they were so much more the cynical team (more than any other team) in this game!
Specific: adjective, clearly definied of indentified.
I think this thread might be more about how you see Mayo than mayo itself but that is just my opinion not necessarliy a fact!! ;)
If you think I'm going looking for 10 times CO Celbowed playerys , well lifes too short. Offf the top of my head..
Against Dublin in the All Ireland semi final when he took out Rory O'Carroll
League game in croker he elbowed Philip McMahon and should have been sent off.
Last year in the first game against Roscommon he should have got a red card
That's 3 times he should have been sent off for the same offence and doesn't include the red he did get against Galway
Not defending Cillian O'Connor in any way, shape or form but it was Diarmuid that was sent off for elbowing Conroy against Galway.
Quote from: Duine Eile on July 06, 2018, 05:43:11 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on July 06, 2018, 03:51:51 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on July 06, 2018, 10:45:04 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 06, 2018, 10:06:14 AM
Sorry lads but this thread is about Mayo. Deflections to other teams is a poor contribution to the thread.
But he did that and they did this.
See Galway Mayo game this year as example.
Okay give me ten specific examples from this game of how Mayo are the dirtiest team ever, got a free ride from the referees, got favourable media treatment and how they were so much more the cynical team (more than any other team) in this game!
Specific: adjective, clearly definied of indentified.
I think this thread might be more about how you see Mayo than mayo itself but that is just my opinion not necessarliy a fact!! ;)
If you think I'm going looking for 10 times CO Celbowed playerys , well lifes too short. Offf the top of my head..
Against Dublin in the All Ireland semi final when he took out Rory O'Carroll
League game in croker he elbowed Philip McMahon and should have been sent off.
Last year in the first game against Roscommon he should have got a red card
That's 3 times he should have been sent off for the same offence and doesn't include the red he did get against Galway
Not defending Cillian O'Connor in any way, shape or form but it was Diarmuid that was sent off for elbowing Conroy against Galway.
I think was referring to league game earlier in year.
Oh fair enough, carry on!