Pretty major storyline in the UK with Cambridge Analytica being caught out offering dirty tricks to poltical campaigns as well as the fact they've harvested 50m odd Facebook accounts House of Cards style to offer a "hopes and fears" PR service to persuade voters to elect wannabe tyrants.
Facebook have lost 7% of their value today ($36bn) with potentially more losses to come with an ICO investigation of both companies...
Interesting times!
Oh and of course Cambridge Analytica we're heavily involved with both Trump and Brexit campaigns!
And a company with links to Cambridge Analytica were used by the DUP.
The main stream media put out spin and misinformation all the time.... heck we even had a network rig a presidential debate in favor of one candidate over others
How is that any different to an third part putting misleading information up on Facebook?
Quote from: whitey on March 20, 2018, 12:50:36 AM
The main stream media put out spin and misinformation all the time.... heck we even had a network rig a presidential debate in favor of one candidate over others
How is that any different to an third part putting misleading information up on Facebook?
Seriously?
Quote from: Syferus on March 20, 2018, 01:59:09 AM
Quote from: whitey on March 20, 2018, 12:50:36 AM
The main stream media put out spin and misinformation all the time.... heck we even had a network rig a presidential debate in favor of one candidate over others
How is that any different to an third part putting misleading information up on Facebook?
Seriously?
Yes.....I'm deadly serious!
Not to mention the DNC sent a party operative into a closed door GOP function pretending to be a waiter and secretly recorded what was said. Both sides are neck deep in dirty tricks
Quote from: whitey on March 20, 2018, 02:11:39 AM
Quote from: Syferus on March 20, 2018, 01:59:09 AM
Quote from: whitey on March 20, 2018, 12:50:36 AM
The main stream media put out spin and misinformation all the time.... heck we even had a network rig a presidential debate in favor of one candidate over others
How is that any different to an third part putting misleading information up on Facebook?
Seriously?
Yes.....I'm deadly serious!
Not to mention the DNC sent a party operative into a closed door GOP function pretending to be a waiter and secretly recorded what was said. Both sides are neck deep in dirty tricks
Again.. seriously? This isn't a bit or some sort of performance art?
Quote from: whitey on March 20, 2018, 02:11:39 AM
Quote from: Syferus on March 20, 2018, 01:59:09 AM
Quote from: whitey on March 20, 2018, 12:50:36 AM
The main stream media put out spin and misinformation all the time.... heck we even had a network rig a presidential debate in favor of one candidate over others
How is that any different to an third part putting misleading information up on Facebook?
Seriously?
Yes.....I'm deadly serious!
Not to mention the DNC sent a party operative into a closed door GOP function pretending to be a waiter and secretly recorded what was said. Both sides are neck deep in dirty tricks
Whitey, your propensity for false equivalency knows no boundaries. Apart from your enlightening anecdotes, most of your "facts" appear to come courtesy of Cambridge Analytica's hard work.
Quote from: whitey on March 20, 2018, 02:11:39 AM
Quote from: Syferus on March 20, 2018, 01:59:09 AM
Quote from: whitey on March 20, 2018, 12:50:36 AM
The main stream media put out spin and misinformation all the time.... heck we even had a network rig a presidential debate in favor of one candidate over others
How is that any different to an third part putting misleading information up on Facebook?
Seriously?
Yes.....I'm deadly serious!
Not to mention the DNC sent a party operative into a closed door GOP function pretending to be a waiter and secretly recorded what was said. Both sides are neck deep in dirty tricks
Dude, seriously, you know people can read this on the internet?
You really cant distinguish a difference?
Maybe school should be next for you?
Or, even Wikipedia?
https://www.channel4.com/news/cambridge-analytica-revealed-trumps-election-consultants-filmed-saying-they-use-bribes-and-sex-workers-to-entrap-politicians-investigation
What is new here on the CA side exactly versus what was reported a year ago? Almost seems like it is news again primarily because there was a Facebook data breach.
Don't get me wrong, it is a good thing that this type of shit is being covered but I haven't read anything from a manipulation standpoint that I didn't know 12 months ago. Or maybe there is more but I just haven't seen it?
The Russian collusion theory must be in the process of falling flat on its arse, so now they need something else to explain Hillarys loss.
I may be wrong but I thought I read somewhere that Obamas campaign also used CA.....but I'm sure whatever way they used them was completely above board while the way Trump used them was the greatest threat to democracy since the dawn of time
This lady is on the ball
Anne Irwin Scott
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Trump has only ever been a small, feckless pawn in a much much larger game played by very rich men using every sleazy trick at their disposal to acquire nearly unlimited wealth and power.
Amazing the DUP are linked to it too via AggregrateIQ.
https://www.irishnews.com/news/2017/05/11/news/dup-s-brexit-campaign-spent-33-000-on-social-media-micro-targeting-firm-1023022/ (https://www.irishnews.com/news/2017/05/11/news/dup-s-brexit-campaign-spent-33-000-on-social-media-micro-targeting-firm-1023022/)
policitcal party spend bucket loads of money and gets more votes and gets elected
of course advertising works whay do you think unilever and coke spend billions every year on it and you can be sure they was that spend to be as targeted and as efficient as possible.
and yes it works on you Too despite wat you might think.
can some one point out what CA broke the Law , then they should face full sactions of the law, other wise its just grist to the mill
Quote from: rosnarun on March 20, 2018, 11:09:02 AM
policitcal party spend bucket loads of money and gets more votes and gets elected
of course advertising works whay do you think unilever and coke spend billions every year on it and you can be sure they was that spend to be as targeted and as efficient as possible.
and yes it works on you Too despite wat you might think.
can some one point out what CA broke the Law , then they should face full sactions of the law, other wise its just grist to the mill
Well they've said they have offered political opponents bribes and set up stings involving prostitutes before which I'm pretty sure violates a few laws!
On the Facebook side of things Cambridge Analytica bought a load of Facebook data that was obtained illegally and used it to shape the messages sent out for elections . . . which is also illegal.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/20/officials-seek-warrant-to-enter-cambridge-analytica-hq
Quote from: screenexile on March 20, 2018, 11:22:21 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on March 20, 2018, 11:09:02 AM
policitcal party spend bucket loads of money and gets more votes and gets elected
of course advertising works whay do you think unilever and coke spend billions every year on it and you can be sure they was that spend to be as targeted and as efficient as possible.
and yes it works on you Too despite wat you might think.
can some one point out what CA broke the Law , then they should face full sactions of the law, other wise its just grist to the mill
Well they've said they have offered political opponents bribes and set up stings involving prostitutes before which I'm pretty sure violates a few laws!
On the Facebook side of things Cambridge Analytica bought a load of Facebook data that was obtained illegally and used it to shape the messages sent out for elections . . . which is also illegal.
Blah, blah blah
I'm with her
Blah
She won the popular vote
Blah
Russian collusion
Blah
Rascism
Blah
Sexism
Cambridge Analytics
Blah
Poor whitey . . .
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Quote from: whitey on March 20, 2018, 11:54:01 AM
Quote from: screenexile on March 20, 2018, 11:22:21 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on March 20, 2018, 11:09:02 AM
policitcal party spend bucket loads of money and gets more votes and gets elected
of course advertising works whay do you think unilever and coke spend billions every year on it and you can be sure they was that spend to be as targeted and as efficient as possible.
and yes it works on you Too despite wat you might think.
can some one point out what CA broke the Law , then they should face full sactions of the law, other wise its just grist to the mill
Well they've said they have offered political opponents bribes and set up stings involving prostitutes before which I'm pretty sure violates a few laws!
On the Facebook side of things Cambridge Analytica bought a load of Facebook data that was obtained illegally and used it to shape the messages sent out for elections . . . which is also illegal.
Blah, blah blah
I'm with her
Blah
She won the popular vote
Blah
Russian collusion
Blah
Rascism
Blah
Sexism
Cambridge Analytics
Blah
You're missing the point here completely. Which isn't surprising. This is much bigger than one election in the US. I (and many others from what I can see) care about the privacy of data. CA and FB have overstepped. That much is clear. US politics is a drop in the ocean. I accept that those living in the US may feel differently about that as they have to live there. Thankfully most of us don't.
https://youtu.be/mpbeOCKZFfQ
Quote from: screenexile on March 20, 2018, 12:00:09 PM
Poor whitey . . .
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Spreading it across 2 threads now
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 20, 2018, 01:03:07 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 20, 2018, 12:00:09 PM
Poor whitey . . .
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Spreading it across 2 threads now
When I see the AG of Massachusetts with her hair on fire about something I am automatically skeptical. When CNN devote most of their morning show to it.....I'm doing doubly skeptical.
Collusion myth is imploding so they need something else to delegitimize Trumps victory
Looks like Obama did something very similar (according to one of HIS staffers) in 2012
https://heavy.com/news/2018/03/carol-davidsen-obama-facebook-tweets-davidson/
Quote from: whitey on March 20, 2018, 01:09:21 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 20, 2018, 01:03:07 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 20, 2018, 12:00:09 PM
Poor whitey . . .
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Spreading it across 2 threads now
When I see the AG of Massachusetts with her hair on fire about something I am automatically skeptical. When CNN devote most of their morning show to it.....I'm doing doubly skeptical.
Collusion myth is imploding so they need something else to delegitimize Trumps victory
Looks like Obama did something very similar (according to one of HIS staffers) in 2012
https://heavy.com/news/2018/03/carol-davidsen-obama-facebook-tweets-davidson/
Did he or his team illegally obtain Facebook data?? If they did I should hope they get the book thrown at them!!!
The issue here is that they didn't though did they . . . keep going whitey the false equivalence is good viewing for those who wouldn't be used to it!!
Quote from: screenexile on March 20, 2018, 02:12:52 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 20, 2018, 01:09:21 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 20, 2018, 01:03:07 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 20, 2018, 12:00:09 PM
Poor whitey . . .
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Spreading it across 2 threads now
When I see the AG of Massachusetts with her hair on fire about something I am automatically skeptical. When CNN devote most of their morning show to it.....I'm doing doubly skeptical.
Collusion myth is imploding so they need something else to delegitimize Trumps victory
Looks like Obama did something very similar (according to one of HIS staffers) in 2012
https://heavy.com/news/2018/03/carol-davidsen-obama-facebook-tweets-davidson/
Did he or his team illegally obtain Facebook data?? If they did I should hope they get the book thrown at them!!!
The issue here is that they didn't though did they . . . keep going whitey the false equivalence is good viewing for those who wouldn't be used to it!!
Actually its more concerning to me that Facebook seem to have let one political campaign have unfettered access while blocking others.
Who the fvck are they to call balls and strikes in a political campaign?
https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/opinion/technology/379245-whats-genius-for-obama-is-scandal-when-it-comes-to-trump%3famp
Haha....it's all above board when it benefits the Democrats, but when it's turned back on them by the Republicans it burning pitchfork time
"These <stories they put out about their opponents> are things that don't necessarily need to be true as long as they're believed."
- Alexander Nix, CEO, Cambridge Analytica.
Quote from: whitey on March 20, 2018, 03:47:12 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/opinion/technology/379245-whats-genius-for-obama-is-scandal-when-it-comes-to-trump%3famp
Haha....it's all above board when it benefits the Democrats, but when it's turned back on them by the Republicans it burning pitchfork time
This is not the same thing at all. If you directly go to a Democrat website and choose to login then that is a conscious choice you make and you are aware that they know about you. If you go to a website with nothing to do with politics and they sell your details on to Cambridge Analytica then that is a totally different order of magnitude.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 20, 2018, 05:09:52 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 20, 2018, 03:47:12 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/opinion/technology/379245-whats-genius-for-obama-is-scandal-when-it-comes-to-trump%3famp
Haha....it's all above board when it benefits the Democrats, but when it's turned back on them by the Republicans it burning pitchfork time
This is not the same thing at all. If you directly go to a Democrat website and choose to login then that is a conscious choice you make and you are aware that they know about you. If you go to a website with nothing to do with politics and they sell your details on to Cambridge Analytica then that is a totally different order of magnitude.
I'm gonna take a wild guess here and he'll tow the party line that the Dems did it so it's fine that Republicans did too even though they actually broke the law!
What specific law did they break and who are "they" ?
Quote from: whitey on March 20, 2018, 09:25:01 PM
What specific law did they break and who are "they" ?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/20/david-carroll-cambridge-analytica-uk-courts-us-professor
Facebook is looking at being fined as well so the share price is down
Quote from: seafoid on March 20, 2018, 09:38:09 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 20, 2018, 09:25:01 PM
What specific law did they break and who are "they" ?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/20/david-carroll-cambridge-analytica-uk-courts-us-professor
Facebook is looking at being fined as well so the share price is down
I dont have time to read that link, but did the Trump campaign break any laws?
(Ive been in the car since 5:00 am this morning listening to all sides on satellite radio, and it will be very difficult to pin anything on Trump with this, especially seeing as Obama did something very similar)
Quote from: whitey on March 20, 2018, 09:50:53 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 20, 2018, 09:38:09 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 20, 2018, 09:25:01 PM
What specific law did they break and who are "they" ?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/20/david-carroll-cambridge-analytica-uk-courts-us-professor
Facebook is looking at being fined as well so the share price is down
I dont have time to read that link, but did the Trump campaign break any laws?
(Ive been in the car since 5:00 am this morning listening to all sides on satellite radio, and it will be very difficult to pin anything on Trump with this, especially seeing as Obama did something very similar)
Amazing how Trump chumps never "have the time" to read anybody else's links, despite themselves regularly posting up links to utterly transparent rot from the Daily Crackpot, or the American Jot, or the Confederate Stormer, or Real American News From Russia. ;D
Quote from: whitey on March 20, 2018, 09:50:53 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 20, 2018, 09:38:09 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 20, 2018, 09:25:01 PM
What specific law did they break and who are "they" ?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/20/david-carroll-cambridge-analytica-uk-courts-us-professor
Facebook is looking at being fined as well so the share price is down
I dont have time to read that link, but did the Trump campaign break any laws?
(Ive been in the car since 5:00 am this morning listening to all sides on satellite radio, and it will be very difficult to pin anything on Trump with this, especially seeing as Obama did something very similar)
Jaysus !
Try these
Max Boot
@MaxBoot
.@anneapplebaum: "Who's put that out?" is exactly what voters have the right to know. If the Internet platforms won't conform to that minimal standard on their own, it's time to regulate them. (link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2018/03/20/were-you-a-victim-of-cambridge-analyticas-dirty-tricks-the-fact-you-dont-know-is-the-problem/)
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/20/david-carroll-cambridge-analytica-uk-courts-us-professor
He told the Guardian his "great concern" was that if voters received through social media messages tailored to their beliefs and personality, ideas about shared reality and shared sense of civic discourse would be eroded.
"Can this democracy survive this micro-targeting machine," he asked, "and is it going to erode the idea of the public sphere for advertising purposes?"
In his statement to the court, Carroll said he was "concerned that I may have been targeted with messages that criticized [Democratic 2016 presidential candidate] Hillary Clinton with falsified or exaggerated information that negatively affected my sentiment about her candidacy and consequently discouraged me from engaging with the Clinton campaign as a formal or informal volunteer."
Tori Smith Ekstrand
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Sec. 230 set up the framework of "no responsibility." Traditional pubs understood this. If not in their businesses, then in court. Internet platforms were given a free pass, no secondary liability for republication. A good idea at the time. But it's gone too far.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/mar/20/facebook-cambridge-analytica-whatsapp-delete
Facebook's troubles entered a fourth day with a rising chorus of people – including the co-founder of WhatsApp – joining the #DeleteFacebook movement as the Federal Trade Commission was reported to be investigating the company's handling of personal data.
Where's Zuck? Facebook CEO silent as data harvesting scandal unfolds
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Momentum gathered behind the #DeleteFacebook campaign, with several media outlets publishing guides to permanently deleting your Facebook account. One surprising voice to emerge was that of Brian Acton, the co-founder of WhatsApp, which was bought by Facebook for $19bn in 2014.
Acton, who left WhatsApp in late 2017, posted to Twitter: "It is time. #deletefacebook."
Brian Acton(@brianacton)
It is time. #deletefacebook
March 20, 2018
The backlash has spooked investors, leading shares in the company to fall by more than 9% over the last two days – wiping almost $50bn off the valuation of the company.
I don't think this is the smoking gun for the Trump campaign (but if it turns out that CA gave the Russians their data to help the troll farms target Republican voters, then that may well be the end of him) but it certainly could be the smoking gun for Facebook.
Just about the comparisons with the Obama campaign - they harvested big data under the existing rules - in that they were allowed target info on friends, as it was permitted under the Ts and Cs.
The difference was they used the info for targeting direct campaign ads and voter registration drives. They did not represent themselves as journalistic sources, they were not pushing fake news stories and they were not targeting negative ads through that medium. the use of online info was to combat the fact that many young voters had no landlines, so couldn't be reached by phone banking.
Facebook changed their terms in 2015 re the harvesting of information from friends lists. There are no indications that the Democrats continued the practice after 2015, nor is there any indication that pre-2015 they were using the information in a false or nefarious manner. Unlike CA.
CA continued the practice after 2015, a breach of data protection laws. CA also used data obtained under the auspices of an academic study for their own commercial and political reasons which was, both before and after 2015, a breach of data protection laws. CA execs have admitted on tape they targeted and sent known fake news articles to vulnerable voters on behalf of the Trump campaign, which, given how Mueller is going at the moment, will also certainly lead to an indictment on the grounds of election tampering and defrauding the United States, and given the amount of dark money that was pouring into and out of CA from super PACs, could also lead to a raft of campaign finance indictments.
There is no equivalence to the Obama campaign Whitey. Your comparison of a person (who, whatever your views on his politics, has always proven himself to be personally honourable and respectful of democratic institutions) with a sharp elbowed, venal, opportunistic, morally bankrupt huckster and accused sexual predator is odious. So, either you don't believe it, and you are just as cynical as your leader (please stop saying you don't support him, hypocrisy is the worst of all sins) or you do believe it. You're like a man still betting on three card monte after the cops arrest the guy who was doing the trick.
The story is still developing as are the facts so in my opinion, nothing is absolute at this point in time
I spent all day yesterday in the car and listened to this from various angles so theres a couple of things that need to be pointed out
At the time the Obama campaign pulled/stripped their data, they were in fact in breach of the terms and conditions laid down by Facebook. When Facebook found out they did NOTHING about it because they wanted Obama to win the election. This was explicitly stated in a tweet by one of the most senior staffers from the Obama digital team within the past week.
If that is true, Facebook were willing to bend and break their own rules to further the candidacy of a Democratic candidate over a Republican. So forgive my cynicism, but why the fvck would I then be upset if a Republican candidate went ahead and bent and broke those same Facebooks rules.
Dealing with the Clintons, is like playing Dublin.....theres no Marquis of Queensbury Rules. The Clinton campaign rigged a primary, they rigged a debate, they changed op eds on the front page of the NY Times, their lackeys in the main stream media actively "promoted pied piper candidates" in the Republican primary....etc etc.
So its mean and nasty and underhand what the Republicans did, but as Harry Reid famously said (when he used privilege of the senate floor to tell a bare faced lie about Mitt Romney:" we won, so who cares"
Oh....one final thing I heard was that the data was only used during the primary, not the general election (unconfirmed)
https://www.dailywire.com/news/28424/ex-obama-campaign-official-heres-how-we-were-able-james-barrett
"They "were very candid that they allowed us to do things they wouldn't have allowed someone else to do because they were on our side."
You're such a spoofer Whitey, and perhaps your worst failing is thinking that because people are based in Ireland, they don't know who your sources are from. Daily Wire is run by Ben Shapiro, former editor of Brietbart during the Bannon ascendancy, who, despite playing as a never Trumper, is an unrepentant right wing nut job. Also, if you move beyond the headline and actually read the tweet, the exec never specifically says they broke rules, or that they were told that they broke rules. Remember, Facebook only changed their terms for data mining of friends lists in 2015. The last tweet, was that she felt creepy about it, despite not breaking any rules, and not using the info in a devious way.
So there is you, driving around all day, listening to talk radio....and I guarantee you won't tell us which station you were listening to. Somewhere slightly right of Genghis Khan I would say, I'm surprised you didn't go off the road when you turned the dial.
Listen, be as right wing as you like, be as much a Trump supporter as you like, be as bitter clinging, gun grabbing, whatever it is the fever swamp is directing you to be this week...but for God's sake do as all a favour and own it. Do it because you like it, it makes you feel good, not because of some lily livered snowflake excuse that you only support the 800 lb authoritarian because the Clintons were soooo evil. Jesus, you sound like something out of "Mean Girls".
God be with the days when you knew a right winger by the beers he drank, the John Wayne movies he watched and the amount of smelly hippies he assaulted. Now its all Ben Shapiro, tweets used out of context, and driving around trying to tune in Limbaugh.
Quote from: easytiger95 on March 21, 2018, 12:27:16 PM
You're such a spoofer Whitey, and perhaps your worst failing is thinking that because people are based in Ireland, they don't know who your sources are from. Daily Wire is run by Ben Shapiro, former editor of Brietbart during the Bannon ascendancy, who, despite playing as a never Trumper, is an unrepentant right wing nut job. Also, if you move beyond the headline and actually read the tweet, the exec never specifically says they broke rules, or that they were told that they broke rules. Remember, Facebook only changed their terms for data mining of friends lists in 2015. The last tweet, was that she felt creepy about it, despite not breaking any rules, and not using the info in a devious way.
So there is you, driving around all day, listening to talk radio....and I guarantee you won't tell us which station you were listening to. Somewhere slightly right of Genghis Khan I would say, I'm surprised you didn't go off the road when you turned the dial.
Listen, be as right wing as you like, be as much a Trump supporter as you like, be as bitter clinging, gun grabbing, whatever it is the fever swamp is directing you to be this week...but for God's sake do as all a favour and own it. Do it because you like it, it makes you feel good, not because of some lily livered snowflake excuse that you only support the 800 lb authoritarian because the Clintons were soooo evil. Jesus, you sound like something out of "Mean Girls".
God be with the days when you knew a right winger by the beers he drank, the John Wayne movies he watched and the amount of smelly hippies he assaulted. Now its all Ben Shapiro, tweets used out of context, and driving around trying to tune in Limbaugh.
Tell us how you really feel Easytiger... ;D
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Quote from: easytiger95 on March 21, 2018, 12:27:16 PM
You're such a spoofer Whitey, and perhaps your worst failing is thinking that because people are based in Ireland, they don't know who your sources are from. Daily Wire is run by Ben Shapiro, former editor of Brietbart during the Bannon ascendancy, who, despite playing as a never Trumper, is an unrepentant right wing nut job. Also, if you move beyond the headline and actually read the tweet, the exec never specifically says they broke rules, or that they were told that they broke rules. Remember, Facebook only changed their terms for data mining of friends lists in 2015. The last tweet, was that she felt creepy about it, despite not breaking any rules, and not using the info in a devious way.
So there is you, driving around all day, listening to talk radio....and I guarantee you won't tell us which station you were listening to. Somewhere slightly right of Genghis Khan I would say, I'm surprised you didn't go off the road when you turned the dial.
Listen, be as right wing as you like, be as much a Trump supporter as you like, be as bitter clinging, gun grabbing, whatever it is the fever swamp is directing you to be this week...but for God's sake do as all a favour and own it. Do it because you like it, it makes you feel good, not because of some lily livered snowflake excuse that you only support the 800 lb authoritarian because the Clintons were soooo evil. Jesus, you sound like something out of "Mean Girls".
God be with the days when you knew a right winger by the beers he drank, the John Wayne movies he watched and the amount of smelly hippies he assaulted. Now its all Ben Shapiro, tweets used out of context, and driving around trying to tune in Limbaugh.
Actually I spent even amounts of time listening to MSNBC, Poutus and Patriot Radio
Attack my source all you want....I used it because that is a direct quote from Ms Davidson. Are you saying she didn't say what she said in her own tweet???
So did Facebook bend their own rules and regulations to aid the Obama campaign?
So the CLinton campaign can pay a foreign spy to fabricate a dossier about a Republican opponent, then leak it to the FBI so they can wiretap their opponents campaign and you are worried about whether Cambridge Analytics abided by the term and conditions of their Facebook agreement-lol
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on March 21, 2018, 12:39:52 PM
Quote from: easytiger95 on March 21, 2018, 12:27:16 PM
You're such a spoofer Whitey, and perhaps your worst failing is thinking that because people are based in Ireland, they don't know who your sources are from. Daily Wire is run by Ben Shapiro, former editor of Brietbart during the Bannon ascendancy, who, despite playing as a never Trumper, is an unrepentant right wing nut job. Also, if you move beyond the headline and actually read the tweet, the exec never specifically says they broke rules, or that they were told that they broke rules. Remember, Facebook only changed their terms for data mining of friends lists in 2015. The last tweet, was that she felt creepy about it, despite not breaking any rules, and not using the info in a devious way.
So there is you, driving around all day, listening to talk radio....and I guarantee you won't tell us which station you were listening to. Somewhere slightly right of Genghis Khan I would say, I'm surprised you didn't go off the road when you turned the dial.
Listen, be as right wing as you like, be as much a Trump supporter as you like, be as bitter clinging, gun grabbing, whatever it is the fever swamp is directing you to be this week...but for God's sake do as all a favour and own it. Do it because you like it, it makes you feel good, not because of some lily livered snowflake excuse that you only support the 800 lb authoritarian because the Clintons were soooo evil. Jesus, you sound like something out of "Mean Girls".
God be with the days when you knew a right winger by the beers he drank, the John Wayne movies he watched and the amount of smelly hippies he assaulted. Now its all Ben Shapiro, tweets used out of context, and driving around trying to tune in Limbaugh.
Tell us how you really feel Easytiger... ;D
Hang on!!!! That's completely out of order. I like John Wayne movies.
I'm worried that CA used misinformation and fraud to win the election for DJT. You can downplay it all you like, because that is the only thing you can do - CA's deeds go far beyond violating internet terms and conditions. And no sensible person would compare what was done by the Trump campaign and the Obama campaign. You're not a sensible person. You're a spoofer.
There is the last tweet from the facebook exec - from your link, Einstein.
I worked on all of the data integration projects at OFA. This was the only one that felt creepy, even though we played by the rules, and didn't do anything I felt was ugly, with the data.
Compare and contrast that with Nix explaining that CA send Ukrainian prostitutes to candidates rooms to deliberately compromise them. You're a joker, and it's a bad joke you're telling.
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 21, 2018, 12:58:56 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on March 21, 2018, 12:39:52 PM
Quote from: easytiger95 on March 21, 2018, 12:27:16 PM
You're such a spoofer Whitey, and perhaps your worst failing is thinking that because people are based in Ireland, they don't know who your sources are from. Daily Wire is run by Ben Shapiro, former editor of Brietbart during the Bannon ascendancy, who, despite playing as a never Trumper, is an unrepentant right wing nut job. Also, if you move beyond the headline and actually read the tweet, the exec never specifically says they broke rules, or that they were told that they broke rules. Remember, Facebook only changed their terms for data mining of friends lists in 2015. The last tweet, was that she felt creepy about it, despite not breaking any rules, and not using the info in a devious way.
So there is you, driving around all day, listening to talk radio....and I guarantee you won't tell us which station you were listening to. Somewhere slightly right of Genghis Khan I would say, I'm surprised you didn't go off the road when you turned the dial.
Listen, be as right wing as you like, be as much a Trump supporter as you like, be as bitter clinging, gun grabbing, whatever it is the fever swamp is directing you to be this week...but for God's sake do as all a favour and own it. Do it because you like it, it makes you feel good, not because of some lily livered snowflake excuse that you only support the 800 lb authoritarian because the Clintons were soooo evil. Jesus, you sound like something out of "Mean Girls".
God be with the days when you knew a right winger by the beers he drank, the John Wayne movies he watched and the amount of smelly hippies he assaulted. Now its all Ben Shapiro, tweets used out of context, and driving around trying to tune in Limbaugh.
Tell us how you really feel Easytiger... ;D
Hang on!!!! That's completely out of order. I like John Wayne movies.
He went downhill after Rio Bravo AZ.
Quote from: easytiger95 on March 21, 2018, 01:03:06 PM
I'm worried that CA used misinformation and fraud to win the election for DJT. You can downplay it all you like, because that is the only thing you can do - CA's deeds go far beyond violating internet terms and conditions. And no sensible person would compare what was done by the Trump campaign and the Obama campaign. You're not a sensible person. You're a spoofer.
There is the last tweet from the facebook exec - from your link, Einstein.
I worked on all of the data integration projects at OFA. This was the only one that felt creepy, even though we played by the rules, and didn't do anything I felt was ugly, with the data.
Compare and contrast that with Nix explaining that CA send Ukrainian prostitutes to candidates rooms to deliberately compromise them. You're a joker, and it's a bad joke you're telling.
So do you have any proof that a single solitary voter switched their vote from one candidate to another based on something they saw on Facebook?
The collusion narrative seems to be collapsing so now the Democrats need something else to explain their loss.
And speaking of using fraud to win an election, Obama intentionally lied directly to the American people about whether they could keep their doctor and insurance under Obamacare. As I said elections are nasty business are both sides use every dirty trick in the book to gain an advantage.
Quote from: whitey on March 21, 2018, 01:21:10 PM
So do you have any proof that a single solitary voter switched their vote from one candidate to another based on something they saw on Facebook?
I think you're right Whitey. Advertising doesn't work; that's why there aren't any adverts (other than political ones) on Facebook.
Quote from: Smokin Joe on March 21, 2018, 01:47:14 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 21, 2018, 01:21:10 PM
So do you have any proof that a single solitary voter switched their vote from one candidate to another based on something they saw on Facebook?
I think you're right Whitey. Advertising doesn't work; that's why there aren't any adverts (other than political ones) on Facebook.
So do left wing progressives subscribe to right wing propaganda pages hoping to learn something new or to have their minds changed? Does a Hillary voter switch to Trump or stay at home because they see a post or a tweet saying Hillary is a crook and a liar?
My best guess is that they used the data to fire up and energize their base
There's as much false information in The NY Times and CNN as there is on Facebook, so this is just evening the field of play in my opinion
It's pretty obvious that the goal of advertising in elections is to win the undecided voters. And if you can't see how continual advertising / "news" (which appears not to come directly from the political parties) could influence the undecided then I'm lost for words.
Quote from: Smokin Joe on March 21, 2018, 02:18:18 PM
It's pretty obvious that the goal of advertising in elections is to win the undecided voters. And if you can't see how continual advertising / "news" (which appears not to come directly from the political parties) could influence the undecided then I'm lost for words.
oh I can see it alright, I just don't have a problem with it given all the dirty tricks the Democrats pull
How is it any different from Hillarys campaign editing The NY Times editorial to turn it from a pro Bernie blurb, to an anti Bernie hit piece?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/15/harry-reid-lied-about-mitt-romneys-taxes-hes-still-not-sorry/www
"Few politicians, though, are as willing as Reid to speak publicly about their disregard for the truth in pursuit of victory. His view on how to win in politics is both remarkable and remarkably depressing."
Fight fire with 🔥
Quote from: whitey on March 21, 2018, 02:22:44 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on March 21, 2018, 02:18:18 PM
It's pretty obvious that the goal of advertising in elections is to win the undecided voters. And if you can't see how continual advertising / "news" (which appears not to come directly from the political parties) could influence the undecided then I'm lost for words.
oh I can see it alright, I just don't have a problem with it given all the dirty tricks the Democrats pull
How is it any different from Hillarys campaign editing The NY Times editorial to turn it from a pro Bernie blurb, to an anti Bernie hit piece?
The key difference between FB and the NYT is the amount of data that FB has on each of its readers.
This is why FB and Google won 75% of all new digital advertising last year. It's why the newspaper model is dying.
The Trump campaign went far deeper than a NYT oped. It tailored ads based on FB data. Saying there is no difference is like saying the NYT can compete for ads with FB. It can't
A lot of the memes were included in Trump's last ad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vST61W4bGm8
About replacing a failed and corrupt administration... trillions of dollars at stake... Global special interests
In February the tax cuts were signed into law. 50% go the top 1%
14% of corporations say they will use the tax cuts for payrises.
And they are going to take your 401 (K), Whitey.
Would you shtop.
Believe whatever you want....the corruption of the main stream media is the reason why many people now get their information online.
Quote from: whitey on March 21, 2018, 03:16:20 PM
Believe whatever you want....the corruption of the main stream media is the reason why many people now get their information online.
That's a ridiculously stupid statement even for you whitey!
People get their information online now is convenience, because it is at their fingertips.
Online media is way more corrupt than historical mass media!!
Quote from: screenexile on March 21, 2018, 03:23:56 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 21, 2018, 03:16:20 PM
Believe whatever you want....the corruption of the main stream media is the reason why many people now get their information online.
That's a ridiculously stupid statement even for you whitey!
People get their information online now is convenience, because it is at their fingertips.
Online media is way more corrupt than historical mass media!!
Believe whatever you want
The collusion theory is collapsing so now they need something else to blame
Politics is a dirty business and the Republicans just beat them at their own game
Personally I think the whole Fusion GPS/Steele Dossier/FISA Application/Wrietapping is a much greater threat to our Democracy than Steve Bannon feeding BS to gullible people on Facebook.
Quote from: whitey on March 21, 2018, 03:38:35 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 21, 2018, 03:23:56 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 21, 2018, 03:16:20 PM
Believe whatever you want....the corruption of the main stream media is the reason why many people now get their information online.
That's a ridiculously stupid statement even for you whitey!
People get their information online now is convenience, because it is at their fingertips.
Online media is way more corrupt than historical mass media!!
Believe whatever you want
The collusion theory is collapsing so now they need something else to blame
Politics is a dirty business and the Republicans just beat them at their own game
Personally I think the whole Fusion GPS/Steele Dossier/FISA Application/Wrietapping is a much greater threat to our Democracy than Steve Bannon feeding BS to gullible people on Facebook.
19 indictments, 5 guilty pleas, 5 sealed indictments and a president desperate to fire the special prosecutor. What a collapse.
There is fine line between stupidity and bad faith - I'm rooting for you to be stupid.
Quote from: easytiger95 on March 21, 2018, 03:53:21 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 21, 2018, 03:38:35 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 21, 2018, 03:23:56 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 21, 2018, 03:16:20 PM
Believe whatever you want....the corruption of the main stream media is the reason why many people now get their information online.
That's a ridiculously stupid statement even for you whitey!
People get their information online now is convenience, because it is at their fingertips.
Online media is way more corrupt than historical mass media!!
Believe whatever you want
The collusion theory is collapsing so now they need something else to blame
Politics is a dirty business and the Republicans just beat them at their own game
Personally I think the whole Fusion GPS/Steele Dossier/FISA Application/Wrietapping is a much greater threat to our Democracy than Steve Bannon feeding BS to gullible people on Facebook.
19 indictments, 5 guilty pleas, 5 sealed indictments and a president desperate to fire the special prosecutor. What a collapse.
There is fine line between stupidity and bad faith - I'm rooting for you to be stupid.
Believe whatever you want
https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/374312-mueller-indictments-still-miss-the-mark-on-trump-russia-collusion%3famp
Quote from: whitey on March 21, 2018, 01:57:52 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on March 21, 2018, 01:47:14 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 21, 2018, 01:21:10 PM
So do you have any proof that a single solitary voter switched their vote from one candidate to another based on something they saw on Facebook?
I think you're right Whitey. Advertising doesn't work; that's why there aren't any adverts (other than political ones) on Facebook.
So do left wing progressives subscribe to right wing propaganda pages hoping to learn something new or to have their minds changed? Does a Hillary voter switch to Trump or stay at home because they see a post or a tweet saying Hillary is a crook and a liar?
My best guess is that they used the data to fire up and energize their base
There's as much false information in The NY Times and CNN as there is on Facebook, so this is just evening the field of play in my opinion
Why don't you play fair and take the spin off this. Absolutely on the fence voters are swayed by media and advertisements, and even the un-true meme that their co worker shared on Facebook.
There is a major financial and equality gap in the USA. Running parallel to that is an education and intelligence gap. Yes, there are a lot of really stupid people out there. Very easily swayed, and they're all allowed to vote and carry a gun.
Quote from: whitey on March 21, 2018, 03:38:35 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 21, 2018, 03:23:56 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 21, 2018, 03:16:20 PM
Believe whatever you want....the corruption of the main stream media is the reason why many people now get their information online.
That's a ridiculously stupid statement even for you whitey!
People get their information online now is convenience, because it is at their fingertips.
Online media is way more corrupt than historical mass media!!
Believe whatever you want
The collusion theory is collapsing so now they need something else to blame
Politics is a dirty business and the Republicans just beat them at their own game
Personally I think the whole Fusion GPS/Steele Dossier/FISA Application/Wrietapping is a much greater threat to our Democracy than Steve Bannon feeding BS to gullible people on Facebook.
Mueller hasn't collapsed
Quote from: Puckoon on March 21, 2018, 04:26:58 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 21, 2018, 01:57:52 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on March 21, 2018, 01:47:14 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 21, 2018, 01:21:10 PM
So do you have any proof that a single solitary voter switched their vote from one candidate to another based on something they saw on Facebook?
I think you're right Whitey. Advertising doesn't work; that's why there aren't any adverts (other than political ones) on Facebook.
So do left wing progressives subscribe to right wing propaganda pages hoping to learn something new or to have their minds changed? Does a Hillary voter switch to Trump or stay at home because they see a post or a tweet saying Hillary is a crook and a liar?
My best guess is that they used the data to fire up and energize their base
There's as much false information in The NY Times and CNN as there is on Facebook, so this is just evening the field of play in my opinion
Why don't you play fair and take the spin off this. Absolutely on the fence voters are swayed by media and advertisements, and even the un-true meme that their co worker shared on Facebook.
There is a major financial and equality gap in the USA. Running parallel to that is an education and intelligence gap. Yes, there are a lot of really stupid people out there. Very easily swayed, and they're all allowed to vote and carry a gun.
So would an on the fence voter be swayed by being told by a sitting president that they can keep their doctor and keep their their insurance and that their healthcare premiums were going to come down by $2500 per annum
Would an on the fence voter be swayed by a false report about George Bush put out by Dan Rather using forged documents
Would an on the fence voter be swayed by being told by Harry Reid or reading that Mitt Romney hadn't paid taxes in 10 years
Would an on the fence reporter be swayed by a candidates performance in a debate ( not knowing that the other candidate had been given questions ahead of time)
Quote from: seafoid on March 21, 2018, 04:35:13 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 21, 2018, 03:38:35 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 21, 2018, 03:23:56 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 21, 2018, 03:16:20 PM
Believe whatever you want....the corruption of the main stream media is the reason why many people now get their information online.
That's a ridiculously stupid statement even for you whitey!
People get their information online now is convenience, because it is at their fingertips.
Online media is way more corrupt than historical mass media!!
Believe whatever you want
The collusion theory is collapsing so now they need something else to blame
Politics is a dirty business and the Republicans just beat them at their own game
Personally I think the whole Fusion GPS/Steele Dossier/FISA Application/Wrietapping is a much greater threat to our Democracy than Steve Bannon feeding BS to gullible people on Facebook.
Mueller hasn't collapsed
I never said he had
Quote from: whitey on March 20, 2018, 12:50:36 AM
The main stream media put out spin and misinformation all the time.... heck we even had a network rig a presidential debate in favor of one candidate over others
How is that any different to an third part putting misleading information up on Facebook?
I stopped reading at "main stream media."
Quote from: whitey on March 21, 2018, 02:22:44 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on March 21, 2018, 02:18:18 PM
It's pretty obvious that the goal of advertising in elections is to win the undecided voters. And if you can't see how continual advertising / "news" (which appears not to come directly from the political parties) could influence the undecided then I'm lost for words.
oh I can see it alright, I just don't have a problem with it given all the dirty tricks the Democrats pull
How is it any different from Hillarys campaign editing The NY Times editorial to turn it from a pro Bernie blurb, to an anti Bernie hit piece?
Couple of big difference. One is the theft of 50 million people's data, and using that to tailor advertising messages as if they were news. You still get to choose if you want to read a NYT story. Secondly, NYT does investigative journalism and actually broke the Hilary Clinton private email server story, the one issue that perhaps cost her the election. NYT also broke both the Bill O'Reilly and Harvey Weinstein sexual abuse stories. They go after the left and the right. They have journalists out covering the ethnic cleansing of the Rohingya and are in nearly every corner of the world providing a genuine service, despite how Trump likes to label it fake news. He know full well that NYT is one of the few publications left that has the investigative power to bring him down, and it will. And of course it was NYT working with Observer that broke this story too.
There should be absolutely no expectation of privacy for anything you post on Facebook, so saying their "data" was stolen is complete and utter nonsense.
Obama pulled the data of people who were friends of people who logged into his election app.....did he steal their data?
Quote from: whitey on March 21, 2018, 05:50:36 PM
There should be absolutely no expectation of privacy for anything you post on Facebook, so saying their "data" was stolen is complete and utter nonsense.
Obama pulled the data of people who were friends of people who logged into his election app.....did he steal their data?
Whitey,
do you really see the things that you cite as examples as being the same?
like really?
Quote from: heganboy on March 21, 2018, 06:06:57 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 21, 2018, 05:50:36 PM
There should be absolutely no expectation of privacy for anything you post on Facebook, so saying their "data" was stolen is complete and utter nonsense.
Obama pulled the data of people who were friends of people who logged into his election app.....did he steal their data?
Whitey,
do you really see the things that you cite as examples as being the same?
like really?
If Obamas media directors own words are accurate, does it not greatly concern you that Facebook was willing to have a separate set of rules for a candidate they wanted to win?
Quote from: whitey on March 21, 2018, 06:39:38 PM
Quote from: heganboy on March 21, 2018, 06:06:57 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 21, 2018, 05:50:36 PM
There should be absolutely no expectation of privacy for anything you post on Facebook, so saying their "data" was stolen is complete and utter nonsense.
Obama pulled the data of people who were friends of people who logged into his election app.....did he steal their data?
Whitey,
do you really see the things that you cite as examples as being the same?
like really?
If Obamas media directors own words are accurate, does it not greatly concern you that Facebook was willing to have a separate set of rules for a candidate they wanted to win?
Whitey do you want to swap usernames? I think mine is more appropriate for you
Quote from: shark on March 20, 2018, 12:06:51 PM
You're missing the point here completely. Which isn't surprising. This is much bigger than one election in the US. I (and many others from what I can see) care about the privacy of data. CA and FB have overstepped. That much is clear. US politics is a drop in the ocean. I accept that those living in the US may feel differently about that as they have to live there. Thankfully most of us don't.
A lot of posts on here but most are just repeats of what's on the US politics thread and completely miss the importance of this story except for shark's post imo. The big picture here and the opportunity for this to be replicated a hundred fold is frightening. Trump has won his election and no amount of hand wringing will change that. It's the elections of the future and how this sort of thing can be combated that we should be talking about. There's no simple solution to it though
Quote from: macdanger2 on March 22, 2018, 12:05:19 AM
Quote from: shark on March 20, 2018, 12:06:51 PM
You're missing the point here completely. Which isn't surprising. This is much bigger than one election in the US. I (and many others from what I can see) care about the privacy of data. CA and FB have overstepped. That much is clear. US politics is a drop in the ocean. I accept that those living in the US may feel differently about that as they have to live there. Thankfully most of us don't.
A lot of posts on here but most are just repeats of what's on the US politics thread and completely miss the importance of this story except for shark's post imo. The big picture here and the opportunity for this to be replicated a hundred fold is frightening. Trump has won his election and no amount of hand wringing will change that. It's the elections of the future and how this sort of thing can be combated that we should be talking about. There's no simple solution to it though
Lets not kid ourselves either. Foreign Governments and big businesses, Media moguls have been influencing elections in various countries for decades so what Cambridge Analytica was doing was just an upscaled, modern, privatised version of what has been the norm form as long as pussy was a cat.
One day it's Murdock and his red tops, the next day it's some private "individual" using CA and a social media stream to carry its message.
Quote from: macdanger2 on March 22, 2018, 12:05:19 AM
Quote from: shark on March 20, 2018, 12:06:51 PM
You're missing the point here completely. Which isn't surprising. This is much bigger than one election in the US. I (and many others from what I can see) care about the privacy of data. CA and FB have overstepped. That much is clear. US politics is a drop in the ocean. I accept that those living in the US may feel differently about that as they have to live there. Thankfully most of us don't.
A lot of posts on here but most are just repeats of what's on the US politics thread and completely miss the importance of this story except for shark's post imo. The big picture here and the opportunity for this to be replicated a hundred fold is frightening. Trump has won his election and no amount of hand wringing will change that. It's the elections of the future and how this sort of thing can be combated that we should be talking about. There's no simple solution to it though
FB and Google will eventually be broken up. They are ultimately tools of the plutocrats.
The Trump campaign was the same. Lie to people so they can be dispossessed post election.
If people are dumb enough to believe what pops up on their facebook account or other social media outlets before deciding on whats best for them and their country by not investigating it further, then serves them right for getting Trump, Trump has used it for himself and it works, What CA has done is wrong and hopefully they will take a huge hit on it..
People bought Brexit on the bases of all the lies sold to them through the media, without doing the proper research (though I blame the pro Europe ones of actually doing nothing to show the extent of what will happen), I'm of the opinion then let them suffer the aftermath of it when it happens, it will pull down the government and hopefully at some point they will see sense..
This is a new way for people to get the news (well about 10 years plus) and it will only get bigger, there has to be better regulations to prevent it getting out of hand, but in most cases over the years this was done in the newspaper industry and will continue
https://www.opendemocracy.net/David-Burnside-Putin-Russia-DUP-Brexit-Donaldson-Vincent-Tchenguiz (https://www.opendemocracy.net/David-Burnside-Putin-Russia-DUP-Brexit-Donaldson-Vincent-Tchenguiz)
Nice local connection here. Long read with some lovely pictures so I won't quote it.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 22, 2018, 10:57:27 AM
If people are dumb enough to believe what pops up on their facebook account or other social media outlets before deciding on whats best for them and their country by not investigating it further, then serves them right for getting Trump, Trump has used it for himself and it works, What CA has done is wrong and hopefully they will take a huge hit on it..
People bought Brexit on the bases of all the lies sold to them through the media, without doing the proper research (though I blame the pro Europe ones of actually doing nothing to show the extent of what will happen), I'm of the opinion then let them suffer the aftermath of it when it happens, it will pull down the government and hopefully at some point they will see sense..
This is a new way for people to get the news (well about 10 years plus) and it will only get bigger, there has to be better regulations to prevent it getting out of hand, but in most cases over the years this was done in the newspaper industry and will continue
People were fed up with facts and figures and opinions from experts. Many of the people that voted for Brexit were never going to be persuaded by the truth, the lie was more appealing. I don't know what more the Remain Campaign could have done without engaging in pure fantasy. Quite simply Brexit was too complex an issue to be left to a referendum.
Quote from: HiMucker on March 23, 2018, 04:06:44 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 22, 2018, 10:57:27 AM
If people are dumb enough to believe what pops up on their facebook account or other social media outlets before deciding on whats best for them and their country by not investigating it further, then serves them right for getting Trump, Trump has used it for himself and it works, What CA has done is wrong and hopefully they will take a huge hit on it..
People bought Brexit on the bases of all the lies sold to them through the media, without doing the proper research (though I blame the pro Europe ones of actually doing nothing to show the extent of what will happen), I'm of the opinion then let them suffer the aftermath of it when it happens, it will pull down the government and hopefully at some point they will see sense..
This is a new way for people to get the news (well about 10 years plus) and it will only get bigger, there has to be better regulations to prevent it getting out of hand, but in most cases over the years this was done in the newspaper industry and will continue
People were fed up with facts and figures and opinions from experts. Many of the people that voted for Brexit were never going to be persuaded by the truth, the lie was more appealing. I don't know what more the Remain Campaign could have done without engaging in pure fantasy. Quite simply Brexit was too complex an issue to be left to a referendum.
What are you talking about
The Brexit crowd were very well informed
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2I3eAyJkoHg
Quote from: whitey on March 24, 2018, 12:31:11 AM
Quote from: HiMucker on March 23, 2018, 04:06:44 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 22, 2018, 10:57:27 AM
If people are dumb enough to believe what pops up on their facebook account or other social media outlets before deciding on whats best for them and their country by not investigating it further, then serves them right for getting Trump, Trump has used it for himself and it works, What CA has done is wrong and hopefully they will take a huge hit on it..
People bought Brexit on the bases of all the lies sold to them through the media, without doing the proper research (though I blame the pro Europe ones of actually doing nothing to show the extent of what will happen), I'm of the opinion then let them suffer the aftermath of it when it happens, it will pull down the government and hopefully at some point they will see sense..
What are you talking about
The Brexit crowd were very well informed
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2I3eAyJkoHg
This is a new way for people to get the news (well about 10 years plus) and it will only get bigger, there has to be better regulations to prevent it getting out of hand, but in most cases over the years this was done in the newspaper industry and will continue
People were fed up with facts and figures and opinions from experts. Many of the people that voted for Brexit were never going to be persuaded by the truth, the lie was more appealing. I don't know what more the Remain Campaign could have done without engaging in pure fantasy. Quite simply Brexit was too complex an issue to be left to a referendum.
That's hilarious though, a Mayo man complaining about foreigners stealing jobs! In fairness he was pissed! It's like Americans thinking the Mexicans are paying for the wall! Delusional in the extreme
But on a serious note...Clearly not as polls show it wouldn't be voted on, for the f**k up that it is!
This is very good
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/25/forget-bit-players-facebook-brought-scandal-on-itself