https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/2017-football-power-rankings-where-is-your-county-in-the-standings-36413091.html
Dubs, MGHU and Kerry in top.3
followed a long way back by Tyrone, Mushroomstan, Ros, Galway , Donegal, Flour bags and Cork.
Martin Breheny. ... enuf said.
Fairly generous ranking for us in Laois.
Quote from: Rossfan on December 16, 2017, 11:25:50 AM
Martin Breheny. ... enuf said.
Breheny's ratings one of the highlights of the year and something I look forward to eagerly every December.
Last summer he had Meath in the top 6 I think. He's clueless.
Quote from: Itchy on December 16, 2017, 03:53:07 PM
Last summer he had Meath in the top 6 I think. He's clueless.
Leitrim, Galway and Cavan is all you need to beat to be a top six team in Ireland. You should be proud to be gatekeepers :-*
How MB fathomed Mayo were lucky to draw the Kerry match is beyond me, they should have won it by a cricket score.
I dont want to retraumatize myself by watching it over, but was Cillian O Connors free not from a much more acute angle than Dean Rocks match winner? Dick face Breheny said it was from a similar spot
probably about the same distance from the side but it was closer in (and therefore a tighter angle i suppose)
Quote from: Syferus on December 16, 2017, 04:17:08 PM
Quote from: Itchy on December 16, 2017, 03:53:07 PM
Last summer he had Meath in the top 6 I think. He's clueless.
Leitrim, Galway and Cavan is all you need to beat to be a top six team in Ireland. You should be proud to be gatekeepers :-*
How MB fathomed Mayo were lucky to draw the Kerry match is beyond me, they should have won it by a cricket score.
His Galway begrudgery come out every now and then. What would you expect from an ass but a kick!
The gap between 3 and 4 is immense. I wonder how long that will continue to be the case.
Quote from: Manning18 on December 16, 2017, 10:48:49 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 16, 2017, 10:31:25 PM
The gap between 3 and 4 is immense. I wonder how long that will continue to be the case.
If Mayo played Tyrone in a championship game anytime soon, it'd be priced about 50/50. Possibly even Tyrone slight favs. They'd also be decent favs to outperform Mayo in the upcoming league. Tyrone won a provincial title, hammered every team they played until admittedly capitulating against Dublin. Mayo win 2 games, draw 4 and lose 2 and are perceived to be miles clear
You're blind if you think Tyrone would be favoured over Mayo right now. League form matters for the sum total of fûck all - ask Kerry.
Quote from: Syferus on December 16, 2017, 10:51:09 PM
Quote from: Manning18 on December 16, 2017, 10:48:49 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 16, 2017, 10:31:25 PM
The gap between 3 and 4 is immense. I wonder how long that will continue to be the case.
If Mayo played Tyrone in a championship game anytime soon, it'd be priced about 50/50. Possibly even Tyrone slight favs. They'd also be decent favs to outperform Mayo in the upcoming league. Tyrone won a provincial title, hammered every team they played until admittedly capitulating against Dublin. Mayo win 2 games, draw 4 and lose 2 and are perceived to be miles clear
You're blind if you think Tyrone would be favoured over Tyrone right now. League form matters for the sum total of fûck all - ask Kerry.
You need to take a rest from the Board Syferus :-\
Maybe a bit hyperbolic yeah, close to 50/50 but Mayo slight favs on review. The outright prices bear that out, factoring in how ridiculously skewed the favour is against Ulster Teams, even their entry point into the qualifiers. In any case, everyone thinks of it as a big 2/3, but Tyrone would be priced far closer to Kerry/Mayo than the latter two would be to Dublin
Quote from: Manning18 on December 16, 2017, 10:57:59 PM
Maybe a bit hyperbolic yeah, close to 50/50 but Mayo slight favs on review. The outright prices bear that out, factoring in how ridiculously skewed the favour is against Ulster Teams, even their entry point into the qualifiers. In any case, everyone thinks of it as a big 2/3, but Tyrone would be priced far closer to Kerry/Mayo than the latter two would be to Dublin
Tyrone got a real kick in the nuts this year. The supporters had very high expectations that were destroyed in a few minutes. Most of the team were passengers.
It will be very hard for them to come back from that.
Quote from: Manning18 on December 16, 2017, 10:57:59 PM
Maybe a bit hyperbolic yeah, close to 50/50 but Mayo slight favs on review. The outright prices bear that out, factoring in how ridiculously skewed the favour is against Ulster Teams, even their entry point into the qualifiers. In any case, everyone thinks of it as a big 2/3, but Tyrone would be priced far closer to Kerry/Mayo than the latter two would be to Dublin
That stands up to zero scrutiny
Seems like Tyrone are really no 1.
Quote from: Tubberman on December 17, 2017, 01:01:23 AM
Quote from: Manning18 on December 16, 2017, 10:57:59 PM
Maybe a bit hyperbolic yeah, close to 50/50 but Mayo slight favs on review. The outright prices bear that out, factoring in how ridiculously skewed the favour is against Ulster Teams, even their entry point into the qualifiers. In any case, everyone thinks of it as a big 2/3, but Tyrone would be priced far closer to Kerry/Mayo than the latter two would be to Dublin
That stands up to zero scrutiny
I'm merely talking about gambling odds. I do think theyre a much better gauge of how teams really compare to each other than newspaper rankings or general fan perceptions. I don't disagree with the rankings anyway, just that the gap from 3 to 4isnt that big, with the gap from 1 to 2 or 4 to 5 being much bigger. What exactly stands up to zero scrutiny?
Quote from: Manning18 on December 17, 2017, 01:47:10 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on December 17, 2017, 01:01:23 AM
Quote from: Manning18 on December 16, 2017, 10:57:59 PM
Maybe a bit hyperbolic yeah, close to 50/50 but Mayo slight favs on review. The outright prices bear that out, factoring in how ridiculously skewed the favour is against Ulster Teams, even their entry point into the qualifiers. In any case, everyone thinks of it as a big 2/3, but Tyrone would be priced far closer to Kerry/Mayo than the latter two would be to Dublin
That stands up to zero scrutiny
I'm merely talking about gambling odds. I do think theyre a much better gauge of how teams really compare to each other than newspaper rankings or general fan perceptions. I don't disagree with the rankings anyway, just that the gap from 3 to 4isnt that big, with the gap from 1 to 2 or 4 to 5 being much bigger. What exactly stands up to zero scrutiny?
That's a sweeping statement, but even if we were to accept it as true you failed to guess which of the two teams would be favoured in the hypothetical you chose - I'd mortgage the house on Mayo being warm favourites if they met Tyrone right now.
I think Tyrone might have a chance to beat a limited enough Kerry side, but Mayo are definitely head and shoulders above them.
Martin Breheny loves his lists. Especially during the winter.
No doubt he'll have the hurling equivalent in a few days and then the top 50 footballers/hurlers in the country in January.
Money for jam.
Not that we matter (nor his lists) but I'd expect to see Armagh drop dramatically by this time next year. Savage amount of withdrawals from the panel, we'll not get out Div 3, get your $$ on it.
Id love to see a list sorted by most entertaining team to watch. My top 3 would be
Mayo
Dublin
Kerry
Anyone care to continue????
that's quite the list. you've just slightly amended the top 3 on the original one;
one of my young boys announced yday he didn't like the alphabet the way it was, so was gonna do his own, a d c b sounded better to him. this is true, tho highly irrelevant
Lists I seen in the middle of the Summer did not have Mayo in the top 6 and had Tyrone down as number 2.
To be fair Tyrone were number 2 to Dublin! ;D
Quote from: sligoman2 on December 18, 2017, 01:38:08 PM
Id love to see a list sorted by most entertaining team to watch. My top 3 would be
Mayo
Dublin
Kerry
Anyone care to continue????
4. Carlow
5.sligo
6. Galway
7. Tipp
8. Clare
9. Cork
10. Rossies
Carlow entertaining? I'd like to see that elaborated on. Novelty value does not equate to entertaining.
I've said it a few times this year but Armagh as an attacking force (in Div 3) were fantastic to watch at times. Couldn't defend worth a shite.
Tyrone produced some of the best attacking play in the championship this year.
Quote from: sligoman2 on December 18, 2017, 05:55:31 PM
Quote from: sligoman2 on December 18, 2017, 01:38:08 PM
Id love to see a list sorted by most entertaining team to watch. My top 3 would be
Mayo
Dublin
Kerry
Anyone care to continue????
4. Carlow
5.sligo
6. Galway
7. Tipp
8. Clare
9. Cork
10. Rossies
31. Donegal
32. Tyrone
Quote from: rrhf on December 18, 2017, 09:49:36 PM
Tyrone produced some of the best attacking play in the championship this year.
They let some of it happen to them in the AISF anyways.
Quote from: sligoman2 on December 18, 2017, 11:12:00 PM
Quote from: sligoman2 on December 18, 2017, 05:55:31 PM
Quote from: sligoman2 on December 18, 2017, 01:38:08 PM
Id love to see a list sorted by most entertaining team to watch. My top 3 would be
Mayo
Dublin
Kerry
Anyone care to continue????
4. Carlow
5.sligo
6. Galway
7. Tipp
8. Clare
9. Cork
10. Rossies
31. Donegal
32. Tyrone
Don't base your rating of Tyrone on one game. 0-22, 1-21, 2-17, 3-17 - that's what Tyrone scored in the championship last season before arguably the greatest team in history short circuited them and they only scored 0-11. Tyrone played some tremendous stuff up to the Dublin game.
Likewise - Mayo were putrid until the Roscommon replayed QF. Tremendous after that. Ye south Sligo lads love yourselves a bit of Mayo though.
Seanie, every game that I watched Mayo play was enjoyable, the 3 draws, the extra time, the semi and Final, I'm talking about entertainment value.
Watching Tyrone is not entertaining in any way. It's like watching robots running back and forward.
Effective yes - entertaining? Absolutely not.
Anyway - happy Christmas to you and all on the peninsula..
Cheers Sligoman2. Ya - hugely entertaining games with Mayo in the latter half of the season. I think the criticism of Tyrone is a little overstated but we'll agree to disagree.
Happy Christmas to you and yours also. Tourlestrane going for 3 in a row in 2018....won't be far away.
Any possibility of ye improving on 20th next year?
Quote from: Rossfan on December 21, 2017, 10:34:35 AM
Any possibility of ye improving on 20th next year?
Yes. I think we should be strong contenders for promotion and a match for a lot of teams come championship.
Be mighty craic if there were 4 Connacht teams in the last 8.
Quote from: Rossfan on December 21, 2017, 10:42:09 AM
Be mighty craic if there were 4 Connacht teams in the last 8.
I'd settle for just the one.
Galway have a serious battle in store to make it if they lose in a quarter-final.
Quote from: seafoid on December 16, 2017, 11:06:10 PM
Quote from: Manning18 on December 16, 2017, 10:57:59 PM
Maybe a bit hyperbolic yeah, close to 50/50 but Mayo slight favs on review. The outright prices bear that out, factoring in how ridiculously skewed the favour is against Ulster Teams, even their entry point into the qualifiers. In any case, everyone thinks of it as a big 2/3, but Tyrone would be priced far closer to Kerry/Mayo than the latter two would be to Dublin
Tyrone got a real kick in the nuts this year. The supporters had very high expectations that were destroyed in a few minutes. Most of the team were passengers.
It will be very hard for them to come back from that.
Still they awarded the manager with a further three year tenure, 2018 to 2020. A failure to win the AI in 2018 will mark an unwanted 10 year anniversary.
Does anyone, apart from Tyrone Syfīns, seriously think Tyrone will win Sam next year?
Quote from: Rossfan on December 27, 2017, 02:04:01 PM
Does anyone, apart from Tyrone Syfīns, seriously think Tyrone will win Sam next year?
The player's grannys.
Tyrone have a small chance. They're not as bad as they looked that day against Dublin. For them to win the AI they'll probably need someone else to take Dublin out. Not impossible.
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 27, 2017, 03:19:37 PM
Tyrone have a small chance. They're not as bad as they looked that day against Dublin. For them to win the AI they'll probably need someone else to take Dublin out. Not impossible.
and someone to take Kerry and Mayo out for them as well... with Sean Cavanagh slight chance without him none
Big question can they win 10 McKenna cups in a row.
Quote from: longballin on December 27, 2017, 03:26:42 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 27, 2017, 03:19:37 PM
Tyrone have a small chance. They're not as bad as they looked that day against Dublin. For them to win the AI they'll probably need someone else to take Dublin out. Not impossible.
and someone to take Kerry and Mayo out for them as well... with Sean Cavanagh slight chance without him none
Are you from Tyrone. You always comment on the Tyrone page (negatively all the time), but always refer to Tyrone as them. Strange person
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on December 27, 2017, 11:47:49 AM
Quote from: seafoid on December 16, 2017, 11:06:10 PM
Quote from: Manning18 on December 16, 2017, 10:57:59 PM
Maybe a bit hyperbolic yeah, close to 50/50 but Mayo slight favs on review. The outright prices bear that out, factoring in how ridiculously skewed the favour is against Ulster Teams, even their entry point into the qualifiers. In any case, everyone thinks of it as a big 2/3, but Tyrone would be priced far closer to Kerry/Mayo than the latter two would be to Dublin
Tyrone got a real kick in the nuts this year. The supporters had very high expectations that were destroyed in a few minutes. Most of the team were passengers.
It will be very hard for them to come back from that.
Still they awarded the manager with a further three year tenure, 2018 to 2020. A failure to win the AI in 2018 will mark an unwanted 10 year anniversary.
The manager was awarded a further three years because Tyrone are established top 5 team in the league and championship. Some its seems won't realise how good Harte has been and still is for Tyrone until he is gone...
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 27, 2017, 11:24:43 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on December 27, 2017, 11:47:49 AM
Quote from: seafoid on December 16, 2017, 11:06:10 PM
Quote from: Manning18 on December 16, 2017, 10:57:59 PM
Maybe a bit hyperbolic yeah, close to 50/50 but Mayo slight favs on review. The outright prices bear that out, factoring in how ridiculously skewed the favour is against Ulster Teams, even their entry point into the qualifiers. In any case, everyone thinks of it as a big 2/3, but Tyrone would be priced far closer to Kerry/Mayo than the latter two would be to Dublin
Tyrone got a real kick in the nuts this year. The supporters had very high expectations that were destroyed in a few minutes. Most of the team were passengers.
It will be very hard for them to come back from that.
Still they awarded the manager with a further three year tenure, 2018 to 2020. A failure to win the AI in 2018 will mark an unwanted 10 year anniversary.
The manager was awarded a further three years because Tyrone are established top 5 team in the league and championship. Some its seems won't realise how good Harte has been and still is for Tyrone until he is gone...
There's a clear number one and number two and after that the order is as clear as mud.
So Carlow could be third? :o
Quote from: Syferus on December 27, 2017, 11:26:34 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 27, 2017, 11:24:43 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on December 27, 2017, 11:47:49 AM
Quote from: seafoid on December 16, 2017, 11:06:10 PM
Quote from: Manning18 on December 16, 2017, 10:57:59 PM
Maybe a bit hyperbolic yeah, close to 50/50 but Mayo slight favs on review. The outright prices bear that out, factoring in how ridiculously skewed the favour is against Ulster Teams, even their entry point into the qualifiers. In any case, everyone thinks of it as a big 2/3, but Tyrone would be priced far closer to Kerry/Mayo than the latter two would be to Dublin
Tyrone got a real kick in the nuts this year. The supporters had very high expectations that were destroyed in a few minutes. Most of the team were passengers.
It will be very hard for them to come back from that.
Still they awarded the manager with a further three year tenure, 2018 to 2020. A failure to win the AI in 2018 will mark an unwanted 10 year anniversary.
The manager was awarded a further three years because Tyrone are established top 5 team in the league and championship. Some its seems won't realise how good Harte has been and still is for Tyrone until he is gone...
There’s a clear number one and number two and after that the order is as clear as mud.
A clear one number. Number two can change on any given year and it wouldn't surprise me if Tyrone take that spot for 2018. After the top 4 or 5 its a clear as mud. And then you have Monaghan for example with their pick and resources doing really well to hold their own in Div one and regularly reaching the last 8 in the championship maybe something your lot might achieve in the years ahead?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 27, 2017, 11:38:14 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 27, 2017, 11:26:34 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 27, 2017, 11:24:43 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on December 27, 2017, 11:47:49 AM
Quote from: seafoid on December 16, 2017, 11:06:10 PM
Quote from: Manning18 on December 16, 2017, 10:57:59 PM
Maybe a bit hyperbolic yeah, close to 50/50 but Mayo slight favs on review. The outright prices bear that out, factoring in how ridiculously skewed the favour is against Ulster Teams, even their entry point into the qualifiers. In any case, everyone thinks of it as a big 2/3, but Tyrone would be priced far closer to Kerry/Mayo than the latter two would be to Dublin
Tyrone got a real kick in the nuts this year. The supporters had very high expectations that were destroyed in a few minutes. Most of the team were passengers.
It will be very hard for them to come back from that.
Still they awarded the manager with a further three year tenure, 2018 to 2020. A failure to win the AI in 2018 will mark an unwanted 10 year anniversary.
The manager was awarded a further three years because Tyrone are established top 5 team in the league and championship. Some its seems won't realise how good Harte has been and still is for Tyrone until he is gone...
There's a clear number one and number two and after that the order is as clear as mud.
A clear one number. Number two can change on any given year and it wouldn't surprise me if Tyrone take that spot for 2018. After the top 4 or 5 its a clear as mud. And then you have Monaghan for example with their pick and resources doing really well to hold their own in Div one and regularly reaching the last 8 in the championship maybe something your lot might achieve in the years ahead?
#2 has been Mayo for every year since 2012 bar 2014.
Quote from: Syferus on December 27, 2017, 11:52:53 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 27, 2017, 11:38:14 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 27, 2017, 11:26:34 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 27, 2017, 11:24:43 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on December 27, 2017, 11:47:49 AM
Quote from: seafoid on December 16, 2017, 11:06:10 PM
Quote from: Manning18 on December 16, 2017, 10:57:59 PM
Maybe a bit hyperbolic yeah, close to 50/50 but Mayo slight favs on review. The outright prices bear that out, factoring in how ridiculously skewed the favour is against Ulster Teams, even their entry point into the qualifiers. In any case, everyone thinks of it as a big 2/3, but Tyrone would be priced far closer to Kerry/Mayo than the latter two would be to Dublin
Tyrone got a real kick in the nuts this year. The supporters had very high expectations that were destroyed in a few minutes. Most of the team were passengers.
It will be very hard for them to come back from that.
Still they awarded the manager with a further three year tenure, 2018 to 2020. A failure to win the AI in 2018 will mark an unwanted 10 year anniversary.
The manager was awarded a further three years because Tyrone are established top 5 team in the league and championship. Some its seems won't realise how good Harte has been and still is for Tyrone until he is gone...
There's a clear number one and number two and after that the order is as clear as mud.
A clear one number. Number two can change on any given year and it wouldn't surprise me if Tyrone take that spot for 2018. After the top 4 or 5 its a clear as mud. And then you have Monaghan for example with their pick and resources doing really well to hold their own in Div one and regularly reaching the last 8 in the championship maybe something your lot might achieve in the years ahead?
#2 has been Mayo for every year since 2012 bar 2014.
Debatable as they avoided Kerry 2012,2013,2015 and Mayo didn't look like a top two team on route to the 2016 All Ireland final.
Quote from: bennydorano on December 18, 2017, 09:47:17 PM
I've said it a few times this year but Armagh as an attacking force (in Div 3) were fantastic to watch at times. Couldn't defend worth a shite.
Interesting to see if this squad will be enough to drag Armagh out of Division 3, seems like quite a few are absenting themselves at least for the League:
Mark Shields An Chrois Bhán
Ethan Rafferty An Ghráinseach
Aidan Forker An Machaire
Ben Crealey An Machaire
Ciaran Higgins An Machaire
Oisín Lappin An Machaire
Rory Grugan Baile Mhic an Aba
Ryan Kennedy Baile Mhic an Aba
Niall Rowland Baile Mhic Cullach
Blaine Hughes Carraig Chrupáin
Charlie Vernon Cláirsigh Ard Mhacha
Conor White Cláirsigh Ard Mhacha
Joe McElroy Cláirsigh Ard Mhacha
Patrick Morrison Cláirsigh Ard Mhacha
Ryan Owens Clann Éireann
Aaron McKay Dromainn Tí
Darren McKenna Dromainn Tí
Oisín Mac Íomhair Eanach Mór
Patrick Burns Foirceall
Stephen Sheridan Foirceall
Niall Grimley Na Madáin
Anto Duffy Na Piarsaigh Óga
Aaron Findon Naomh Peadar
Andrew Murnin Naomh Pól
Paul Hughes Raonaithe na Croise
Greg McCabe Seán Ó Néill
Tyrone county board should end this charade of repeatedly renewing Mickey's contract and just declare him manager for life.