So under the hills of Greencastle Co. Tyrone is the worlds largest untapped resource of gold which the British crown is going to make a lot of money from. They south can only stand by and watch their good neighbours make a killing on the natural resources up here. The north might not be that big of a basket case after all.
It's not too popular with the folks of Greencastle.
The local politicians are not making much noise about it to date. The amount of waste that this mining will generate is going to be colossal and there are just proposing to stockpile it on site, and the fact that cyanide is going to be used to extract the gold from the rock just adds to the danger.
As long as the gold makes it's way across to the Sixtowns I'm all for it . . .
Some fine Irishmen who have fought for Ireland now selling parts of it to a foreign multinational......but that's beside the point. Great to have all the jobs but at what cost if there was an accident with the cyanide
Quote from: screenexile on November 28, 2017, 11:31:42 AM
As long as the gold makes it's way across to the Sixtowns I'm all for it . . .
Sure it's going to be all windmills..
£3bn worth of gold but only £750m will go into the economy over 25 years...
Her indoors' family from Greencastle, this has split families and caused rows with people taking opposite sides. I've heard some of the underhand stuff and the stuff some people mightn't find important, but it is to the locals who have been there from the year dot, this will not end well
They are sayin 3bn but it will be alot more.
Anybody fancy meeting at the foot of the mountain with a spade?
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 28, 2017, 01:35:14 PM
Anybody fancy meeting at the foot of the mountain with a spade?
With the shovel over your shoulder as the full moon rises, obviously.
Quote from: screenexile on November 28, 2017, 11:31:42 AM
As long as the gold makes it's way across to the Sixtowns I'm all for it . . .
Dalradian are looking to start work up through Sixtowns, Draperstown and right through the Sperrin to near Derry City. This isn't just a Greencastle problem.
This is extremely dangerous stuff, using Cyanide to process the gold they find in Greencastle and Rouskey. If that gets into the water, it'll affect the whole island.
To date, Dalradian's fact has changed in each interview they've done. The number of jobs it will create, the amount of gold there is, what the plans are for Greencastle.
The information they gave their stockholders is very different to what is happening in Greencastle.
No-one is going to benefit from this but the International Shareholders and the British Crown.
#saveoursperrins
Quote from: ziggysego on November 28, 2017, 02:30:45 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 28, 2017, 11:31:42 AM
As long as the gold makes it's way across to the Sixtowns I'm all for it . . .
Dalradian are looking to start work up through Sixtowns, Draperstown and right through the Sperrin to near Derry City. This isn't just a Greencastle problem.
This is extremely dangerous stuff, using Cyanide to process the gold they find in Greencastle and Rouskey. If that gets into the water, it'll affect the whole island.
To date, Dalradian's fact has changed in each interview they've done. The number of jobs it will create, the amount of gold there is, what the plans are for Greencastle.
The information they gave their stockholders is very different to what is happening in Greencastle.
No-one is going to benefit from this but the International Shareholders and the British Crown.
#saveoursperrins
+1
Ziggy was the land bought or was it vested by Dairadian?
All that glitters is not gold.
The threat this planning application presents to Greencastle, and to the surrounding areas (initially in Counties Tyrone, Derry, Donegal & Antrim) are devastating.
Dalradian have tried to package this as a good news story - quoting job creation and ridiculous amounts of money (based on no actual evidence - a point even noted on their own PR literature).
The reality is very different - there are limited jobs for a limited period of time.
At the end, what we are going to be left with is the total destruction of Greencastle village - this proposed "mine camp" (Dalradian CEO Patrick FN Anderson's own words), toxic processing plant and waste dump is to be located less than 1km from the local football pitch, primary school and play group.
The waste dump alone is bigger than the entire centre of Greencastle village.
The toxic processing plant, if passed, will become the epicenter for dumping and processing toxic heavy metals not just in Ireland, but in Europe and most likely beyond (with Brexit the area will not fall within the jurisdiction of the EU, and will therefore not be obliged to follow EU legislation).
This Canadian Company have already been granted discharge rights (by a Civil Servant in the absence of an operational government here) to dump numerous toxins - including arsenic, cadmium, chromium, lead, copper, zinc & others - into one of the most protected waterways in Europe (the Owenkillew River, a tributary of the Foyle).
No true Gael can stand idly by whilst this threat hangs over our heads.
Check out Save Our Sperrins or Greencastle Community Voices on Facebook/Twitter (amongst others) for updates and more information on this, that you mightn't necessarily hear from the mainstream media.
Dalradian greed will not succeed.
#NoToxicGold
#DalradianOutOfIreland
#SaveOurSperrins
Quote from: Mongander on November 28, 2017, 03:19:48 PM
All that glitters is not gold.
The threat this planning application presents to Greencastle, and to the surrounding areas (initially in Counties Tyrone, Derry, Donegal & Antrim) are devastating.
Dalradian have tried to package this as a good news story - quoting job creation and ridiculous amounts of money (based on no actual evidence - a point even noted on their own PR literature).
The reality is very different - there are limited jobs for a limited period of time.
At the end, what we are going to be left with is the total destruction of Greencastle village - this proposed "mine camp" (Dalradian CEO Patrick FN Anderson's own words), toxic processing plant and waste dump is to be located less than 1km from the local football pitch, primary school and play group.
The waste dump alone is bigger than the entire centre of Greencastle village.
The toxic processing plant, if passed, will become the epicenter for dumping and processing toxic heavy metals not just in Ireland, but in Europe and most likely beyond (with Brexit the area will not fall within the jurisdiction of the EU, and will therefore not be obliged to follow EU legislation).
This Canadian Company have already been granted discharge rights (by a Civil Servant in the absence of an operational government here) to dump numerous toxins - including arsenic, cadmium, chromium, lead, copper, zinc & others - into one of the most protected waterways in Europe (the Owenkillew River, a tributary of the Foyle).
No true Gael can stand idly by whilst this threat hangs over our heads.
Check out Save Our Sperrins or Greencastle Community Voices on Facebook/Twitter (amongst others) for updates and more information on this, that you mightn't necessarily hear from the mainstream media.
Dalradian greed will not succeed.
#NoToxicGold
#DalradianOutOfIreland
#SaveOurSperrins
bastard trying to package a gold find as a good news story what will the spindoctors think of next
Mongander if you are part of a Lobby group . please declare your interest
Quote from: rosnarun on November 28, 2017, 03:29:25 PM
b**tard trying to package a gold find as a good news story what will the spindoctors think of next
Mongander if you are part of a Lobby group . please declare your interest
As anyone with half a brain, or even anyone who has access to the internet will tell you, gold mining is one of the most toxic processes in the world.
There are NO examples of clean/environmentally friendly gold mines in the world.
The only thing universally associated with this industry is pollution and destruction.
I would have thought that someone with ties to Mayo, after all the people there have suffered at the hands of Shell, would have understood the threat of mass industrialisation and the theft of natural resources by foreign investors.
I live locally - that is my interest.
I am environmentally aware - that is my interest.
I do not want to see my football club destroyed due to a toxic gold mine less than a kilometre up the road from it - that is my interest.
I want to protect my community and local area - that is my interest.
I want to see my children and grandchildren live and prosper here, without the threat of cyanide, arsenic, or any other poisons hanging over their heads - that is my interest.
I do not want to see Ireland's natural resources being stolen to profit a foreign company or the crown estate - that is my interest.
I believe that Tyrone would be better suited to the promotion of sustainable tourism rather than the proliferation of toxic gold mines or monstrous wind farms - that is my interest.
Is that enough
rosnarun, or should I continue?
Love Tyrone and Ireland is Not for Sale are two other Facebook pages you can check out for more info.
#NoToxicGold
#DalradianOutOfIreland
#SaveOurSperrins
It's big bucks involved to these companies, so the environment, people's health and the feelings of locals mean diddly squat.
What difference does being a True Gael matter in this instance? If it's on literature it seems a fine way of alienating a fair percentage of the surrounding population.
So we won't "Gold Rush" ireland?
Is the procesing of the gold ore taking place on site? Either envioroment búrden.
Are they seriously proposing cyanide leaching to extract the gold?
Its been banned as a technique in various places around the world, including in the state of Montana 20 years ago.
Ask Hungary and the Balkans how they feel about the Baia Mare disaster.
Quote from: J70 on November 28, 2017, 05:20:17 PM
Are they seriously proposing cyanide leaching to extract the gold?
Its been banned as a technique in various places around the world, including in the state of Montana 20 years ago.
Ask Hungary and the Balkans how they feel about the Baia Mare disaster.
You're underestimating the power of the brown envelope though.
Quote from: hardstation on November 28, 2017, 09:54:01 PM
NIMBY hoors are probably just looking a handout. Give them an incinerator, a Tesco and some drug dealers. That is what they deserve. They can't see the greater good and are just full of self pity.
Out of interest would you say the same about the Casement Park/Croke Park residents?
Quote from: Denn Forever on November 28, 2017, 05:07:49 PM
So we won't "Gold Rush" ireland?
Is the procesing of the gold ore taking place on site? Either envioroment búrden.
jack and Todd Hoffman would get a nice welcome too I would say .
Cyanide will be used and it is all to happen on site.
Quote from: never kickt a ball on November 28, 2017, 10:13:04 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 28, 2017, 09:54:01 PM
NIMBY hoors are probably just looking a handout. Give them an incinerator, a Tesco and some drug dealers. That is what they deserve. They can't see the greater good and are just full of self pity.
Out of interest would you say the same about the Casement Park/Croke Park residents?
I think that was the point HS was making.
i think its a disgrace how we let these leeches come in to suck the country dry. look at the vulture funds from america and canada buying up distressed debt and property. 200billion worth they now own. and now we have fuckin gold diggers from canada? the whole lot of them should be chased and keep their grotty, capitalist hands off our lands.
Quote from: ziggysego on November 29, 2017, 12:01:14 AM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on November 28, 2017, 10:13:04 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 28, 2017, 09:54:01 PM
NIMBY hoors are probably just looking a handout. Give them an incinerator, a Tesco and some drug dealers. That is what they deserve. They can't see the greater good and are just full of self pity.
Out of interest would you say the same about the Casement Park/Croke Park residents?
I think that was the point HS was making.
Aaaah got it now.
Ziggy , what kind of percentage are in favour, against, and trying to keep out of it? Roughly, in your opinion?
As long as they keep it in the ugly Tyrone part of the Sperrins I'm happy enough. . . if they try to come near beautiful Derry I imagine they will have a war on their hands!! The Sixtowns Community Group are organised and will fight tooth and nail against it should they try to!!!
Quote from: screenexile on November 29, 2017, 10:24:26 AM
As long as they keep it in the ugly Tyrone part of the Sperrins I'm happy enough. . . if they try to come near beautiful Derry I imagine they will have a war on their hands!! The Sixtowns Community Group are organised and will fight tooth and nail against it should they try to!!!
Didn't stop the windmill at lake Patrick.. lol
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 29, 2017, 12:04:13 AM
i think its a disgrace how we let these leeches come in to suck the country dry. look at the vulture funds from america and canada buying up distressed debt and property. 200billion worth they now own. and now we have fuckin gold diggers from canada? the whole lot of them should be chased and keep their grotty, capitalist hands off our lands.
you didn't see any Irish companies wanting to develop the opportunity which does create jobs, nor did you see any Irish companies or businesses buying up the property either.
Quote from: Mongander on November 28, 2017, 03:53:09 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on November 28, 2017, 03:29:25 PM
b**tard trying to package a gold find as a good news story what will the spindoctors think of next
Mongander if you are part of a Lobby group . please declare your interest
As anyone with half a brain, or even anyone who has access to the internet will tell you, gold mining is one of the most toxic processes in the world.
There are NO examples of clean/environmentally friendly gold mines in the world.
The only thing universally associated with this industry is pollution and destruction.
I would have thought that someone with ties to Mayo, after all the people there have suffered at the hands of Shell, would have understood the threat of mass industrialisation and the theft of natural resources by foreign investors.
I live locally - that is my interest.
I am environmentally aware - that is my interest.
I do not want to see my football club destroyed due to a toxic gold mine less than a kilometre up the road from it - that is my interest.
I want to protect my community and local area - that is my interest.
I want to see my children and grandchildren live and prosper here, without the threat of cyanide, arsenic, or any other poisons hanging over their heads - that is my interest.
I do not want to see Ireland's natural resources being stolen to profit a foreign company or the crown estate - that is my interest.
I believe that Tyrone would be better suited to the promotion of sustainable tourism rather than the proliferation of toxic gold mines or monstrous wind farms - that is my interest.
Is that enough rosnarun, or should I continue?
Love Tyrone and Ireland is Not for Sale are two other Facebook pages you can check out for more info.
#NoToxicGold
#DalradianOutOfIreland
#SaveOurSperrins
Fair play Mongander
I can see how this could be potentially very decisive in the area though with some people no doubt due to make a tidy few pound of their land.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on November 29, 2017, 10:50:18 AM
Quote from: Mongander on November 28, 2017, 03:53:09 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on November 28, 2017, 03:29:25 PM
b**tard trying to package a gold find as a good news story what will the spindoctors think of next
Mongander if you are part of a Lobby group . please declare your interest
As anyone with half a brain, or even anyone who has access to the internet will tell you, gold mining is one of the most toxic processes in the world.
There are NO examples of clean/environmentally friendly gold mines in the world.
The only thing universally associated with this industry is pollution and destruction.
I would have thought that someone with ties to Mayo, after all the people there have suffered at the hands of Shell, would have understood the threat of mass industrialisation and the theft of natural resources by foreign investors.
I live locally - that is my interest.
I am environmentally aware - that is my interest.
I do not want to see my football club destroyed due to a toxic gold mine less than a kilometre up the road from it - that is my interest.
I want to protect my community and local area - that is my interest.
I want to see my children and grandchildren live and prosper here, without the threat of cyanide, arsenic, or any other poisons hanging over their heads - that is my interest.
I do not want to see Ireland's natural resources being stolen to profit a foreign company or the crown estate - that is my interest.
I believe that Tyrone would be better suited to the promotion of sustainable tourism rather than the proliferation of toxic gold mines or monstrous wind farms - that is my interest.
Is that enough rosnarun, or should I continue?
Love Tyrone and Ireland is Not for Sale are two other Facebook pages you can check out for more info.
#NoToxicGold
#DalradianOutOfIreland
#SaveOurSperrins
Fair play Mongander
I can see how this could be potentially very decisive in the area though with some people no doubt due to make a tidy few pound of their land.
and that is exactly what has happened, some people have made an absolute killing, enough to keep them and their families safe for years to come. But at what expense to everyone else
Quote from: Dire Ear on November 29, 2017, 10:21:15 AM
Ziggy , what kind of percentage are in favour, against, and trying to keep out of it? Roughly, in your opinion?
In my own opinion, the sizeable majority of the Greencastle population and surrounding areas are strongly against the Gold Mine and Cyanide Processing Planet in Greencastle.
Quote from: screenexile on November 29, 2017, 10:24:26 AM
As long as they keep it in the ugly Tyrone part of the Sperrins I'm happy enough. . . if they try to come near beautiful Derry I imagine they will have a war on their hands!! The Sixtowns Community Group are organised and will fight tooth and nail against it should they try to!!!
Well get organised screenexile. https://www.facebook.com/SaveOurSperrins/posts/501679306834909 (https://www.facebook.com/SaveOurSperrins/posts/501679306834909)
I would like to know the thoughts of anyone opposed to the gold mining plans if they can answer the following?
Do you have gold jewellery? Things like rings or necklaces?
Do you have any gold teeth fillings?
Do you have any investments or pension plans which are put into the global price of gold.
Do you have any electronics? Nearly everything with a circuit board these days contains trace amounts of gold.
If your answer to any of the questions above is yes, then get rid of them. Get rid of your engagement or wedding ring, bracelets & watches. Go to your dentist to get your filling replaced with something that isn't gold. Approach your financial advisor or fiduciary and tell them to reinvest your portfolio in something that isn't gold. The modern mobile phone today contains about one American dollar of gold, so get rid of it along with your laptop, television, washing machine and more. In fact you should probably get rid of your car too as almost all cars made in the last few decades will not only have circuit boards but things like heat insulation in some cars also contain gold as well. So put them in the bin. Better yet take the electronic stuff to a local recycling centre that takes care of electronic disposal, as throwing these things in bins just take up space in landfill with other toxins like lead leaking from them and going into the water supply. You do know this? I hope you do because the word cyanide already triggers you. And even better take the likes of gold jewellery to a local jewellers or one of those Cash My Gold places you see advertised and sell it to them. With the money you get, send all of it as a donation to a charity that looks after people affected in places which have had gold mining operations that often feature in SOS and GCV propaganda.
If your answer to any of the above questions is yes, but you are not going to stop using your mobile or wear a 9ct gold ring etc, then you are a hypocrite. A stinking full of sh1t hypocrite. And also a NIMBY, and not those NIMBYs that sometimes have a point, but a fully blown NIMBY who is happy to share and show videos of places around the world in or around gold mines that are at least claimed to be destroyed because of gold extraction, but is happy enough to wear, invest or use gold that have come from these mines. It is a stench of do as I say don't do as I do. The people of Greencastle and the local area in the Sperrins who are opposed to a gold mine on their door step want or demand all of the luxuries that modern life can bring but want none of the environmental costs that they are happy enough to place on others and then have the cheek to use the same people for their own ends.
In the end wherever a gold mine gets going in Greencastle or not, it will not be that what will lead to communities like theirs disappearing. It will be the ending of farming subsidies from the EU that the UK have not said that they will keep going themselves indefinitely. Once those end the small farmers will have to sell up and move out and in its place will be bigger commercial farms or a real wilderness.
Is it cold in Canada this time of year?
Quote from: Zazz on November 29, 2017, 09:21:23 PM
I would like to know the thoughts of anyone opposed to the gold mining plans if they can answer the following?
Do you have gold jewellery? Things like rings or necklaces?
Do you have any gold teeth fillings?
Do you have any investments or pension plans which are put into the global price of gold.
Do you have any electronics? Nearly everything with a circuit board these days contains trace amounts of gold.
If your answer to any of the questions above is yes, then get rid of them. Get rid of your engagement or wedding ring, bracelets & watches. Go to your dentist to get your filling replaced with something that isn't gold. Approach your financial advisor or fiduciary and tell them to reinvest your portfolio in something that isn't gold. The modern mobile phone today contains about one American dollar of gold, so get rid of it along with your laptop, television, washing machine and more. In fact you should probably get rid of your car too as almost all cars made in the last few decades will not only have circuit boards but things like heat insulation in some cars also contain gold as well. So put them in the bin. Better yet take the electronic stuff to a local recycling centre that takes care of electronic disposal, as throwing these things in bins just take up space in landfill with other toxins like lead leaking from them and going into the water supply. You do know this? I hope you do because the word cyanide already triggers you. And even better take the likes of gold jewellery to a local jewellers or one of those Cash My Gold places you see advertised and sell it to them. With the money you get, send all of it as a donation to a charity that looks after people affected in places which have had gold mining operations that often feature in SOS and GCV propaganda.
If your answer to any of the above questions is yes, but you are not going to stop using your mobile or wear a 9ct gold ring etc, then you are a hypocrite. A stinking full of sh1t hypocrite. And also a NIMBY, and not those NIMBYs that sometimes have a point, but a fully blown NIMBY who is happy to share and show videos of places around the world in or around gold mines that are at least claimed to be destroyed because of gold extraction, but is happy enough to wear, invest or use gold that have come from these mines. It is a stench of do as I say don't do as I do. The people of Greencastle and the local area in the Sperrins who are opposed to a gold mine on their door step want or demand all of the luxuries that modern life can bring but want none of the environmental costs that they are happy enough to place on others and then have the cheek to use the same people for their own ends.
In the end wherever a gold mine gets going in Greencastle or not, it will not be that what will lead to communities like theirs disappearing. It will be the ending of farming subsidies from the EU that the UK have not said that they will keep going themselves indefinitely. Once those end the small farmers will have to sell up and move out and in its place will be bigger commercial farms or a real wilderness.
Welcome to gaaboard.com Zazz
Quote from: Zazz on November 29, 2017, 09:21:23 PM
I would like to know the thoughts of anyone opposed to the gold mining plans if they can answer the following?
Do you have gold jewellery? Things like rings or necklaces?
Do you have any gold teeth fillings?
Do you have any investments or pension plans which are put into the global price of gold.
Do you have any electronics? Nearly everything with a circuit board these days contains trace amounts of gold.
If your answer to any of the questions above is yes, then get rid of them. Get rid of your engagement or wedding ring, bracelets & watches. Go to your dentist to get your filling replaced with something that isn't gold. Approach your financial advisor or fiduciary and tell them to reinvest your portfolio in something that isn't gold. The modern mobile phone today contains about one American dollar of gold, so get rid of it along with your laptop, television, washing machine and more. In fact you should probably get rid of your car too as almost all cars made in the last few decades will not only have circuit boards but things like heat insulation in some cars also contain gold as well. So put them in the bin. Better yet take the electronic stuff to a local recycling centre that takes care of electronic disposal, as throwing these things in bins just take up space in landfill with other toxins like lead leaking from them and going into the water supply. You do know this? I hope you do because the word cyanide already triggers you. And even better take the likes of gold jewellery to a local jewellers or one of those Cash My Gold places you see advertised and sell it to them. With the money you get, send all of it as a donation to a charity that looks after people affected in places which have had gold mining operations that often feature in SOS and GCV propaganda.
If your answer to any of the above questions is yes, but you are not going to stop using your mobile or wear a 9ct gold ring etc, then you are a hypocrite. A stinking full of sh1t hypocrite. And also a NIMBY, and not those NIMBYs that sometimes have a point, but a fully blown NIMBY who is happy to share and show videos of places around the world in or around gold mines that are at least claimed to be destroyed because of gold extraction, but is happy enough to wear, invest or use gold that have come from these mines. It is a stench of do as I say don't do as I do. The people of Greencastle and the local area in the Sperrins who are opposed to a gold mine on their door step want or demand all of the luxuries that modern life can bring but want none of the environmental costs that they are happy enough to place on others and then have the cheek to use the same people for their own ends.
In the end wherever a gold mine gets going in Greencastle or not, it will not be that what will lead to communities like theirs disappearing. It will be the ending of farming subsidies from the EU that the UK have not said that they will keep going themselves indefinitely. Once those end the small farmers will have to sell up and move out and in its place will be bigger commercial farms or a real wilderness.
Why don't you declare what your interest here is? Are you a landowner who is going to benefit?
If not, its a rather unusual first post on a GAA discussion board.
And whether or not gold is or isn't widely used in many applications, that is no reason why people should not be concerned about the track record of the industry when it comes to the production and often poor management of the toxic waste.
The fact is that we are all either ignorant or hypocrites about a multitude of things, and often it takes something to hit close to home before we are shaken out of our complacency. If enough people develop the NIMBY mindset or awareness grows regarding some public health or environmental issue or toxic substance, then the world finds some other way to get the job done. That's whether its asbestos or radium or DDT or whatever.
Regardless, I'd rather be a newly converted hypocrite than someone who also knows the risks but cashes in and puts his community and environment at risk for a short term gain.
Is it not obvious who "Zazz" is?
Quote from: BennyCake on November 28, 2017, 04:57:22 PM
It's big bucks involved to these companies, so the environment, people's health and the feelings of locals mean diddly squat.
There will always be plenty of sell out backsturds who'll take the shilling over the greater good. Shell in Mayo was a prime example.
I'm probably wrong so.