As we approach the 500th anniversary of the so called Reformation,I note that a number of events are taking place across Ireland,organised by the Presbyterian Church,including one in Dublin,to celebrate this abomination.These would be easily ignored if it were not for the fact that some catholic priests are willingly taking part in these.
I do hope their participation is solely from the perspective of pointing out the heresy and abomination of this lamentable event,by the Satanic possessed Martin Luther.To even debate its merits,far less celebrate it,would be something no catholic should countenance.
Go Tone!
Protestantism would never have happened if the Catholic church church had been run properly. One is as bad as the other.
That would be ecumenical matter.
You don't run a Church,it's not like Dunnes Stores or Centra.Luther opposed the Church's doctrines,handed down by the Apostles,and was guilty of heresy.
Quote from: T Fearon on October 05, 2017, 05:08:08 PM
You don't run a Church,it's not like Dunnes Stores or Centra.Luther opposed the Church's doctrines,handed down by the Apostles,and was guilty of heresy.
I don't think Protestantism could be wrong. Sure it's lasted so long.
It is fundamentally flawed in the doctrine that Faith Alone is sufficient for salvation.Faith should permeate every aspect of the Christian's life,including showing compassion,being charitable etc.
Quote from: T Fearon on October 05, 2017, 05:08:08 PM
You don't run a Church,it's not like Dunnes Stores or Centra.Luther opposed the Church's doctrines,handed down by the Apostles,and was guilty of heresy.
I think you will find that his main problem was the level of corruption within the Catholic Church. He objected to the sale of 'relics' by the Church and he objected to sale of indulgences, i.e. you could make a monetary payment to the Church and cut time of your sentence in purgatory/hell. Both practices were rampant at that time and he saw them as not only corruption in a financial sense of a corruption of the teaching in the New Testament.
Like anyone who has opposed the Church, its hierarchy and clergy with an argument which pointed to its wrong doing, Luther was attacked as a heretic which was the worst possible allegation that could be made against him.
In 2017, not much has changed, if a person or persons point out that some practice or behaviour by the Church hierarchy or clergy is wrong then the Church authorities go ad hominem and ignore the issue being raised.
The Church was in need of structural reform,but Luther advocated heretical doctrines contrary to the Apostolic Doctrines of the Catholic Church.
Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?"
He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?" He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me, too! What franchise?" He said, "Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?" He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?"
He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region." I said, "Me, too!"
Northern Conservative†Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912." I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over.
Quote from: T Fearon on October 05, 2017, 06:00:34 PM
The Church was in need of structural reform,but Luther advocated heretical doctrines contrary to the Apostolic Doctrines of the Catholic Church.
Yawn
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 05, 2017, 06:11:04 PM
Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?"
He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?" He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me, too! What franchise?" He said, "Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?" He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?"
He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region." I said, "Me, too!"
Northern Conservative†Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912." I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over.
:D :D :D . . .
Tony what are the differences in beliefs between Anglicans, Methodists, Presbyterians and Lutherans?
Matthew 7:2
For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
Quote from: Rossfan on October 05, 2017, 06:47:46 PM
Tony what are the differences in beliefs between Anglicans, Methodists, Presbyterians and Lutherans?
Subdivisions of heresy, you might as well say what is the difference between the IFA and FAI.
Normally I'd say northern Tayto is better than Free State Tayto, but today I'm going to argue that Free State Tayto is better. Just to upset Tony.
I wonder how long it'll take Tony's stalkers to appear..
Watched Andrew Marr the other night on this subject, very interesting
I was at an airport recently and there was what appeared to be a senior citizens outing from donegal sitting there.
One woman said "do protestants believe in saints". The reply "them protestants - they don't even know what they believe in themselves".
Themuns don't think Mary was a virgin.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 05, 2017, 06:11:04 PM
Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?"
He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?" He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me, too! What franchise?" He said, "Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?" He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?"
He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region." I said, "Me, too!"
Northern Conservative†Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912." I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over.
You are hilarious.
I'm not too sure the Pope takes the same view based on some of the things he has been reported as saying. Much less judgemental and prepared to be critical of those within his own church. I doubt he'd have much time for the goings on of some of the practices of the Church at the time of the Reformation
http://www.thejournal.ie/pope-francis-atheist-3256158-Feb2017/
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2017/03/23/hardened-hearts-can-turn-catholics-into-atheists-says-pope-francis/
Quote from: armaghniac on October 05, 2017, 07:04:01 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 05, 2017, 06:47:46 PM
Tony what are the differences in beliefs between Anglicans, Methodists, Presbyterians and Lutherans?
Subdivisions of heresy, you might as well say what is the difference between the IFA and FAI.
I'll take that as a "Don't know" then ;D :D
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 05, 2017, 06:11:04 PM
Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?"
He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?" He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me, too! What franchise?" He said, "Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?" He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?"
He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region." I said, "Me, too!"
Northern Conservative†Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912." I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over.
Emo Phillips
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDmeqSzvIFs
Thanks! I always wondered what the source was. I first heard it on BBC Talkback many moons ago
Catholic Church ripped the arse right out of it! Got what they derserved at the time!
You have to hand it to their creativity though. Selling indulgences was the medieval equivalent of the Nigerian prince scam and they got away with it. Got a nice big Basilica and Christ knows how much money went into their pockets to spend on whores and drink.
Funnily enough,I heard a young priest,with a rich Scottish accent,celebrate Mass in Newry recently,and he was mad keen on indulgences.
The point is that Luther promoted moving away from catholic doctrines,handed down from the Apostles.
The most bizarre of these is salvation by faith alone.I have heard some so called Protestant evangelicals claim,on the basis of this,that Billy Wright is in heaven because he had faith alone
Quote from: T Fearon on October 06, 2017, 07:59:53 AM
Funnily enough,I heard a young priest,with a rich Scottish accent,celebrate Mass in Newry recently,and he was mad keen on indulgences.
The point is that Luther promoted moving away from catholic doctrines,handed down from the Apostles.
The most bizarre of these is salvation by faith alone.I have heard some so called Protestant evangelicals claim,on the basis of this,that Billy Wright is in heaven because he had faith alone
Would the padeo priest be in heaven based on their faith?
Funny I always thought Protestantism would be a natural house for people who think about things & question 'the establishment', this would likely be 90 odd % of gaaboard.com posters. Catholics/ Irish Nationalists are culturally programmed in Ireland to view Protestantism (largely because of the UK) as the enemy.
Quote from: T Fearon on October 05, 2017, 05:36:03 PM
It is fundamentally flawed in the doctrine that Faith Alone is sufficient for salvation.Faith should permeate every aspect of the Christian's life,including showing compassion,being charitable etc.
The Catholic Church is one of the most disgusting, corrupt organizations in the world Tony, you can dress it up whatever way you want, it is corrupt and rotten to its core!
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2016/10/31/full-text-popes-homily-at-service-for-500th-anniversary-of-reformation/
No mention of heresy or calling the Lutheran Church an abomination. Have they get something wrong Tony?
Quote from: stew on October 06, 2017, 10:02:40 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on October 05, 2017, 05:36:03 PM
It is fundamentally flawed in the doctrine that Faith Alone is sufficient for salvation.Faith should permeate every aspect of the Christian's life,including showing compassion,being charitable etc.
The Catholic Church is one of the most disgusting, corrupt organizations in the world Tony, you can dress it up whatever way you want, it is corrupt and rotten to its core!
Can you list the 5 most corrupt and reasons why etcetera.
Quote from: bennydorano on October 06, 2017, 09:20:23 AM
Funny I always thought Protestantism would be a natural house for people who think about things & question 'the establishment', this would likely be 90 odd % of gaaboard.com posters. Catholics/ Irish Nationalists are culturally programmed in Ireland to view Protestantism (largely because of the UK) as the enemy.
If all your land is stolen, your Religion banned, your language and most of your culture destroyed, discriminated against etc for 400/500 years you wouldn't be over enamoured with it right enough.
Then you have the DUP telling you the human race is 6,000 years old....
Nobody chooses to be born Catholic or jain or Muslim or protestant. Nobody chooses to be indoctrinated as a child. All religion is in large part built around the same idea. Treat people fairly. All religion has large doses of fantasy. There are decent people in every religion. If Protestantism is nonsense so are the other religions.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 05, 2017, 07:04:01 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 05, 2017, 06:47:46 PM
Tony what are the differences in beliefs between Anglicans, Methodists, Presbyterians and Lutherans?
Subdivisions of heresy, you might as well say what is the difference between the IFA and FAI.
I think that is about the best explanation I've come across? ;D
@ Tony
BTW, Tony, did the theologians back Reformation times ever manage to find out just how many angels could dance on the pointof a needle?
I think they were more intereted iin grave matters like this and not to pushed aboiut the excesses that Luther protested against.
I would say back in those days,and probably up to comparatively recent times,people,including most clerics were afraid of questioning or challenging anything about the Church,for fear of annoying God himself.
Strong bureaucratic hierarchical systems,headed by the Pope,were and are needed in a vast global church,and dissent discouraged,for the sack of unity and cohesion.Look at the number and diversity of the vast amount of strands of Protestantism to see what happens when these structures aren't in place.
It's all make believe anyway
I wouldn't worry about it
Quote from: Rossfan on October 06, 2017, 10:38:41 AM
Quote from: stew on October 06, 2017, 10:02:40 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on October 05, 2017, 05:36:03 PM
It is fundamentally flawed in the doctrine that Faith Alone is sufficient for salvation.Faith should permeate every aspect of the Christian's life,including showing compassion,being charitable etc.
The Catholic Church is one of the most disgusting, corrupt organizations in the world Tony, you can dress it up whatever way you want, it is corrupt and rotten to its core!
Can you list the 5 most corrupt and reasons why etcetera.
Why the f**k would I do that????
Quote from: T Fearon on October 06, 2017, 07:25:51 PM
Look at the number and diversity of the vast amount of strands of Protestantism to see what happens when these structures aren't in place.
Protestantism is a robust idea that swept Europe during the reformation, and today evangelical megachurches are growing at an alarmingly high rate. Meanwhile the pews in Catholic churches are emptying and they can't get enough priests to cover the pitifully small number of people still going to mass on a regular basis.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 09, 2017, 05:42:28 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on October 06, 2017, 07:25:51 PM
Look at the number and diversity of the vast amount of strands of Protestantism to see what happens when these structures aren't in place.
Protestantism is a robust idea that swept Europe during the reformation, and today evangelical megachurches are growing at an alarmingly high rate. Meanwhile the pews in Catholic churches are emptying and they can't get enough priests to cover the pitifully small number of people still going to mass on a regular basis.
Lurgan is doing alright. Though if a certain priest continues with 15 minute long homilies that may change
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 09, 2017, 05:42:28 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on October 06, 2017, 07:25:51 PM
Look at the number and diversity of the vast amount of strands of Protestantism to see what happens when these structures aren't in place.
Protestantism is a robust idea that swept Europe during the reformation, and today evangelical megachurches are growing at an alarmingly high rate. Meanwhile the pews in Catholic churches are emptying and they can't get enough priests to cover the pitifully small number of people still going to mass on a regular basis.
You been to mass lately? I go pretty regular both in America and Ireland and the pews look well stocked
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on October 07, 2017, 08:27:24 AM
It's all make believe anyway
I wouldn't worry about it
Ironically enough that's you make yourself believe
Quote from: stew on October 08, 2017, 03:07:21 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 06, 2017, 10:38:41 AM
Quote from: stew on October 06, 2017, 10:02:40 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on October 05, 2017, 05:36:03 PM
It is fundamentally flawed in the doctrine that Faith Alone is sufficient for salvation.Faith should permeate every aspect of the Christian's life,including showing compassion,being charitable etc.
The Catholic Church is one of the most disgusting, corrupt organizations in the world Tony, you can dress it up whatever way you want, it is corrupt and rotten to its core!
Can you list the 5 most corrupt and reasons why etcetera.
Why the f**k would I do that????
To prove you know what you're talking about rather than just making a big generalised statement based on your own prejudices perhaps.
Quote from: Olly on October 05, 2017, 08:15:54 PM
Themuns don't think Mary was a virgin.
They do - they don't believe Mary herself was conceived without sin (I think)