42,000 tickets sold already for these games. I haven't seen much of Dublin this year but Mayo look fitter, faster, more athletic and less dependant on Cora than in recent years.
They may be less dependent, but the game will still completely hinge on Cora. The same as it began, as it as it always was and as it will end for her.
Quote from: mrhardyannual on September 23, 2017, 12:37:35 PM
42,000 tickets sold already for these games. I haven't seen much of Dublin this year but Mayo look fitter, faster, more athletic and less dependant on Cora than in recent years.
That's brilliant to hear, well done to the LGFA.
The line ups.
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Football and by that virtue ladies football has an easier in that hurling/ camogie, but at the same time fair play to the LGFA who have really worked well with TG4 and big sponsors to promote the game.
Unlike the men the Dubs are kinda due a win, and they seem to have moved up a level. As I said elsewhere Mick Bohan is a man most men's teams would welcome with open arms.
I think Dublin also are also producing a doc right now too. Once again, fair play to all involved and 42,000 tickets is serious going.
Watching Derry - Fermanagh final. It is what it is, junior football but serious effort and commitement.
Drama or what! That was some finish though a few dodgy ref decisions. Should have played extra time... replay
Quote from: longballin on September 24, 2017, 01:13:06 PM
Drama or what! That was some finish though a few dodgy ref decisions. Should have played extra time... replay
Just caught the last few minutes. That penalty looked extremely soft. Brilliantly put away in fairness.
Definite free in for Fermanagh there just after their penalty with about 20 seconds to go! Think it was a case of the ref going I'll take a draw here.
aye penalty was very soft and then ref didnt give them a clear free imo
Jaysus, there's an awful amount of squealing at these weemin's matches. You may as well be at a One Direction concert.
The Ladies GAA finals are always a great occasion. The junior, intermediate and senior split obviously works very well in ladies' football; the lower divisions are contested just as fiercely, if at a lower standard. The same template works well in club football, so why can't we make it work in senior mens' county?
Quote from: befair on September 24, 2017, 02:16:57 PM
The Ladies GAA finals are always a great occasion. The junior, intermediate and senior split obviously works very well in ladies' football; the lower divisions are contested just as fiercely, if at a lower standard. The same template works well in club football, so why can't we make it work in senior mens' county?
Money.
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Quote from: befair on September 24, 2017, 02:16:57 PM
The Ladies GAA finals are always a great occasion. The junior, intermediate and senior split obviously works very well in ladies' football; the lower divisions are contested just as fiercely, if at a lower standard. The same template works well in club football, so why can't we make it work in senior mens' county?
Money.
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Great pace and intensity to the game so far.
This is better than 90% of the men's games this year.
What happens when the keeper comes back from the sin bin
Quote from: Syferus on September 23, 2017, 01:46:20 PM
They may be less dependent, but the game will still completely hinge on Cora. The same as it began, as it as it always was and as it will end for her.
Cora obviously believes this. Way too selfish.
Great half of football but Mayo will need to dig deep if they are to win, fortunate to be only three behind.
Agree 100% Asal Mor, Cora is not helping Mayo by constantly going for her own score.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 24, 2017, 04:30:53 PM
What happens when the keeper comes back from the sin bin
Up to Mayo. Make another substitution to take off the sub keeper probably.
Dublin should be out of sight.
Quote from: Zulu on September 24, 2017, 04:38:59 PM
Great half of football but Mayo will need to dig deep if they are to win, fortunate to be only three behind.
Agree 100% Asal Mor, Cora is not helping Mayo by constantly going for her own score.
Dublin only have two scorers themselves. Penalty save and the other goal chance off the post keeps Mayo in this game.
46,000 is some paying crowd for any womens' sport on the planet. Fantastic to see.
Mayo too narrow and a bit more width and depth to negate the Dublin blanket defence.
Pity. Dublin play a surprisingly negative style of football. All about having masses of bodies back and breaking fast. Good, fit footballers but it's a pity even the women's game has went this way.
Quote from: Syferus on September 24, 2017, 05:25:10 PM
Pity. Dublin play a surprisingly negative style of football. All about having masses of bodies back and breaking fast. Good, fit footballers but it's a pity even the women's game has went this way.
They created about 8 goal chances though. Very effective. Some excellent tackling from them throughout.
Quote from: shark on September 24, 2017, 05:26:55 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 24, 2017, 05:25:10 PM
Pity. Dublin play a surprisingly negative style of football. All about having masses of bodies back and breaking fast. Good, fit footballers but it's a pity even the women's game has went this way.
They created about 8 goal chances though. Very effective. Some excellent tackling from them throughout.
It was effective, but it's a really pity to see such pacy and talented footballers labouring under a system that's first aim is to stifle the opposition, not impose themselves on the opposition. A widespread problem in football.
Classy Dublin team. Mayo were slower and dirty. A cheap shot from the Mayo girl. Bad to see fellas at this carry on, women is shocking. Winning at all costs from u10 up.
Fair to say the best team on the day won that final.
Quote from: Rudi on September 24, 2017, 05:29:09 PM
Classy Dublin team. Mayo were slower and dirty. A cheap shot from the Mayo girl. Bad to see fellas at this carry on, women is shocking. Winning at all costs from u10 up.
I fail to see what the sex of the individual has to do with dirty play.
Well done to Dublin. Good defences wins championships.
Some performance by Dublin, great football and 46,000 supporters there. Well done to TG4.
Dublin were fitter, better balanced and more tactically aware - their dominance was based on running and that's how they got their scores.
Mayo kicked the game away in the first half and were relying on about six players - Staunton, the midfielder Aileen Gilroy, forwards Niamh Kelly, Sarah Rowe, Grace Kelly and the lovely Orla Conlon in defence.
Mayo actually had the better point takers from play but Dublin ran all over them.
Mayo gave away a lot of stupid close in frees. A defence fouling close in is so stupid. The free takers will put anything in the 25 metre range from straight in front over the bar but were there to be no foul there's about an 80% chance a score won't result from play. The standard of penalty taking is dreadful as we saw once again.
Again the overall standard and the skills on show were very patchy at best. The first 15 minutes of the second half in particular were hilariously bad, capped by a comical miss by Dublin's Noelle Healy with the goal at her mercy.
It's a poor reflection on women's football that Cora Staunton is still the best player in the game nearly 20 years after her heyday. She showed flashes of her class such as a monster early free from 47 metres but there's only so much one woman can do.
Dublin were lucky Cork were taken out by Mayo as I expect Cork would have beaten them again.
Quote from: sid waddell on September 24, 2017, 05:59:24 PM
Dublin were fitter, better balanced and more tactically aware - their dominance was based on running and that's how they got their scores.
Mayo kicked the game away in the first half and were relying on about six players - Staunton, the midfielder Aileen Gilroy, forwards Niamh Kelly, Sarah Rowe, Grace Kelly and the lovely Orla Conlon in defence.
Mayo actually had the better point takers from play but Dublin ran all over them.
Mayo gave away a lot of stupid close in frees. A defence fouling close in is so stupid. The free takers will put anything in the 25 metre range from straight in front over the bar but were there to be no foul there's about an 80% chance a score won't result from play. The standard of penalty taking is dreadful as we saw once again.
Again the overall standard and the skills on show were very patchy at best. The first 15 minutes of the second half in particular were hilariously bad, capped by a comical miss by Dublin's Noelle Healy with the goal at her mercy.
It's a poor reflection on women's football that Cora Staunton is still the best player in the game nearly 20 years after her heyday. She showed flashes of her class such as a monster early free from 47 metres but there's only so much one woman can do.
Dublin were lucky Cork were taken out by Mayo as I expect Cork would have beaten them again.
F-
Must try harder.
Quote from: Syferus on September 24, 2017, 06:00:28 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 24, 2017, 05:59:24 PM
Dublin were fitter, better balanced and more tactically aware - their dominance was based on running and that's how they got their scores.
Mayo kicked the game away in the first half and were relying on about six players - Staunton, the midfielder Aileen Gilroy, forwards Niamh Kelly, Sarah Rowe, Grace Kelly and the lovely Orla Conlon in defence.
Mayo actually had the better point takers from play but Dublin ran all over them.
Mayo gave away a lot of stupid close in frees. A defence fouling close in is so stupid. The free takers will put anything in the 25 metre range from straight in front over the bar but were there to be no foul there's about an 80% chance a score won't result from play. The standard of penalty taking is dreadful as we saw once again.
Again the overall standard and the skills on show were very patchy at best. The first 15 minutes of the second half in particular were hilariously bad, capped by a comical miss by Dublin's Noelle Healy with the goal at her mercy.
It's a poor reflection on women's football that Cora Staunton is still the best player in the game nearly 20 years after her heyday. She showed flashes of her class such as a monster early free from 47 metres but there's only so much one woman can do.
Dublin were lucky Cork were taken out by Mayo as I expect Cork would have beaten them again.
F-
Must try harder.
Go and pull yourself off listening to Brian Carthy's twee, patronising guff or something.
No harm in a bit of critical analysis of the ladies' game. They're treated like u-10s in the media as though it would be totally out of order to say anything negative when analysing the game. I enjoyed it mildly but the result was never in doubt and Sid is bang on that Dublin won because they had a few fliers in their team rather than having better skills. The men's game suffers a bit from this too though. My own pet hate is the short kickout which is eliminating the skills of high fielding and winning breaking ball. There's no point having an Aidan O Shea in your team when most kickouts are dribbled out towards the corner flag for a corner back to run onto. Better to have a smaller lad that can run up and down the pitch for 70 minutes.
Another problem for both the ladies football and camogie is the effectiveness of blanket defences as the women don't have the power to score from distance.
Quote from: Syferus on September 24, 2017, 05:28:24 PM
Quote from: shark on September 24, 2017, 05:26:55 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 24, 2017, 05:25:10 PM
Pity. Dublin play a surprisingly negative style of football. All about having masses of bodies back and breaking fast. Good, fit footballers but it's a pity even the women's game has went this way.
They created about 8 goal chances though. Very effective. Some excellent tackling from them throughout.
It was effective, but it's a really pity to see such pacy and talented footballers labouring under a system that's first aim is to stifle the opposition, not impose themselves on the opposition. A widespread problem in football.
Do you really think Dublin laboured today. A tactical masterclass from the excellent Mick Bohan
Quote from: Orchard park on September 24, 2017, 10:17:44 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 24, 2017, 05:28:24 PM
Quote from: shark on September 24, 2017, 05:26:55 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 24, 2017, 05:25:10 PM
Pity. Dublin play a surprisingly negative style of football. All about having masses of bodies back and breaking fast. Good, fit footballers but it's a pity even the women's game has went this way.
They created about 8 goal chances though. Very effective. Some excellent tackling from them throughout.
It was effective, but it's a really pity to see such pacy and talented footballers labouring under a system that's first aim is to stifle the opposition, not impose themselves on the opposition. A widespread problem in football.
Do you really think Dublin laboured today. A tactical masterclass from the excellent Mick Bohan
Don't think Dublin laboured. They looked completely comfortable when Mayo had 13 and later 14 on the field of play!
This was first ladies game I've watched this year i addition to the one I watched last year. Is Mayo's star forward always that greedy? I counted 6 wides and one shot dropped short in a 15 minute period either side of half time yesterday, it was a very similar performance to last years game when they were knocked out when she was attempting shots from ridiculous angles.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 25, 2017, 05:44:25 PM
This was first ladies game I've watched this year i addition to the one I watched last year. Is Mayo's star forward always that greedy? I counted 6 wides and one shot dropped short in a 15 minute period either side of half time yesterday, it was a very similar performance to last years game when they were knocked out when she was attempting shots from ridiculous angles.
Yes
Quote from: ballinaman on September 25, 2017, 06:13:12 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 25, 2017, 05:44:25 PM
This was first ladies game I've watched this year i addition to the one I watched last year. Is Mayo's star forward always that greedy? I counted 6 wides and one shot dropped short in a 15 minute period either side of half time yesterday, it was a very similar performance to last years game when they were knocked out when she was attempting shots from ridiculous angles.
Yes
It was born as much for her knowing for a decade and a half it was her or bust. Grace Kelly looks a real talent now, though.
Quote from: Syferus on September 25, 2017, 06:45:16 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 25, 2017, 06:13:12 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 25, 2017, 05:44:25 PM
This was first ladies game I've watched this year i addition to the one I watched last year. Is Mayo's star forward always that greedy? I counted 6 wides and one shot dropped short in a 15 minute period either side of half time yesterday, it was a very similar performance to last years game when they were knocked out when she was attempting shots from ridiculous angles.
Yes
It was born as much for her knowing for a decade and a half it was her or bust. Grace Kelly looks a real talent now, though.
Grace is a real talent! As is her sister Niamh. There are a group (of forwards) there whose development has been curtailed by Cora not retiring (or a sideline to tell her to Cop on and be a team player). Media don't help making the final from a Mayo perspective all about Cora! Veteran players usually stay a year or two longer to help younger players grow! In Mayo's case the opposite has happened.
That's very true From the Bunker. Younger players are afraid to express themselves. I thought Cora was shocking greedy yday. Pity she could not move to a play making role and exempt herself from wild shots. Padraig Joyce was a little like Cora in his last 2 years with Galway .
An average figure of 410,000 viewed the final on a peripheral channel, broadcasted in a 'foreign' language.
Of course when a subscription channel finally is allowed to get their exclusive hands on this particular lucrative franchise, add on some super duper chalk board punditry which due to amazing advances in technology also takes advantage of commenting on slow motion and freeze frames, astounding all and sundry, Croke Park will manage to reduce this viewing figure from 400,000 to 10,000 and yet proclaim it to be a revolutionary watershed in the history of the GAA and a resounding success.
The football final record attendance had more to do with Dublin and Mayo being in the final. Dublin had big numbers there because it could not be more convenient (added to the feel good factor from the men) and Mayo are just football mad! If you replace one of Mayo/Dublin in the final next year the attendance will be down!
I enjoyed the game and I certainly wouldn't say that he overall standard and skills on display were patchy at best. There were some very good players on the pitch. Some strong running, good tackling and some good finishing too
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 26, 2017, 07:10:51 AM
I enjoyed the game and I certainly wouldn't say that he overall standard and skills on display were patchy at best. There were some very good players on the pitch. Some strong running, good tackling and some good finishing too
Your multiple uses of the word "some" would strongly indicate that you know full well that the overall standard and the skills on display were indeed patchy at best.
I seem to recall the following from the men's All Ireland final -
Lee Keegan and Dean Rock dropping two easy score attempts short
Brian Fenton soloing the ball into Colm Boyles hands under no pressure
COC missing a free from in front of the posts
Doherty shooting one on one straight, more or less and at the perfect height for a save, at Cluxton
Paul Flynn missing a handy point
There's a few more I could add as well. And these are teams that have massive money pumped into theme and are a level above everyone else.
Like every other team sport, the men's is at a higher level but only the most churlish could claim there wasn't a very high level of football in that All Ireland final.
Quote from: ballinaman on September 25, 2017, 06:13:12 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 25, 2017, 05:44:25 PM
This was first ladies game I've watched this year i addition to the one I watched last year. Is Mayo's star forward always that greedy? I counted 6 wides and one shot dropped short in a 15 minute period either side of half time yesterday, it was a very similar performance to last years game when they were knocked out when she was attempting shots from ridiculous angles.
Yes
yes but when on form she'd beat dublin on her own hence her 'Greed'
as regard the crowd a lot of it has to do with the effort of clubs around the country . 70 girls went on 2 buses from Durrow ballinamere and that was replicated all over the country and in dublin itsselfA reat case of getting priorities correct as regard pricing ETC
Quote from: Main Street on September 25, 2017, 11:31:28 PM
An average figure of 410,000 viewed the final on a peripheral channel, broadcasted in a 'foreign' language.
Of course when a subscription channel finally is allowed to get their exclusive hands on this particular lucrative franchise, add on some super duper chalk board punditry which due to amazing advances in technology also takes advantage of commenting on slow motion and freeze frames, astounding all and sundry, Croke Park will manage to reduce this viewing figure from 400,000 to 10,000 and yet proclaim it to be a revolutionary watershed in the history of the GAA and a resounding success.
Has some channel got exclusive rights to another GAA franchise? RTE Radio is it?
Quote from: sid waddell on September 26, 2017, 11:08:01 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 26, 2017, 07:10:51 AM
I enjoyed the game and I certainly wouldn't say that he overall standard and skills on display were patchy at best. There were some very good players on the pitch. Some strong running, good tackling and some good finishing too
Your multiple uses of the word "some" would strongly indicate that you know full well that the overall standard and the skills on display were indeed patchy at best.
You read too much into things mate.
But let's say you're right. That would be the same as a lot of men's games
Quote from: Zulu on September 26, 2017, 12:25:45 PM
I seem to recall the following from the men's All Ireland final -
Lee Keegan and Dean Rock dropping two easy score attempts short
Brian Fenton soloing the ball into Colm Boyles hands under no pressure
COC missing a free from in front of the posts
Doherty shooting one on one straight, more or less and at the perfect height for a save, at Cluxton
Paul Flynn missing a handy point
There's a few more I could add as well. And these are teams that have massive money pumped into theme and are a level above everyone else.
Like every other team sport, the men's is at a higher level but only the most churlish could claim there wasn't a very high level of football in that All Ireland final.
Sure, but did any players get a marriage proposal after the men's AI final?
Quote from: Orior on September 26, 2017, 11:18:11 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 26, 2017, 12:25:45 PM
I seem to recall the following from the men's All Ireland final -
Lee Keegan and Dean Rock dropping two easy score attempts short
Brian Fenton soloing the ball into Colm Boyles hands under no pressure
COC missing a free from in front of the posts
Doherty shooting one on one straight, more or less and at the perfect height for a save, at Cluxton
Paul Flynn missing a handy point
There's a few more I could add as well. And these are teams that have massive money pumped into theme and are a level above everyone else.
Like every other team sport, the men's is at a higher level but only the most churlish could claim there wasn't a very high level of football in that All Ireland final.
Sure, but did any players get a marriage proposal after the men's AI final?
Whether a joke or serious that sort of comment is seriously depressing to see.
Quote from: Esmarelda on September 26, 2017, 04:40:35 PM
Quote from: Main Street on September 25, 2017, 11:31:28 PM
An average figure of 410,000 viewed the final on a peripheral channel, broadcasted in a 'foreign' language.
Of course when a subscription channel finally is allowed to get their exclusive hands on this particular lucrative franchise, add on some super duper chalk board punditry which due to amazing advances in technology also takes advantage of commenting on slow motion and freeze frames, astounding all and sundry, Croke Park will manage to reduce this viewing figure from 400,000 to 10,000 and yet proclaim it to be a revolutionary watershed in the history of the GAA and a resounding success.
Has some channel got exclusive rights to another GAA franchise? RTE Radio is it?
Has you got some serious question or is you just discharging an exclusive brain fart?
Quote from: Syferus on September 25, 2017, 06:45:16 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 25, 2017, 06:13:12 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 25, 2017, 05:44:25 PM
This was first ladies game I've watched this year i addition to the one I watched last year. Is Mayo's star forward always that greedy? I counted 6 wides and one shot dropped short in a 15 minute period either side of half time yesterday, it was a very similar performance to last years game when they were knocked out when she was attempting shots from ridiculous angles.
Yes
It was born as much for her knowing for a decade and a half it was her or bust. Grace Kelly looks a real talent now, though.
No All star nomination for Grace Kelly. A bit of an over site there by the LGFA. One of Mayo's better players this year.
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 03, 2017, 08:19:09 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 25, 2017, 06:45:16 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 25, 2017, 06:13:12 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 25, 2017, 05:44:25 PM
This was first ladies game I've watched this year i addition to the one I watched last year. Is Mayo's star forward always that greedy? I counted 6 wides and one shot dropped short in a 15 minute period either side of half time yesterday, it was a very similar performance to last years game when they were knocked out when she was attempting shots from ridiculous angles.
Yes
And how did Cork get nine nominations ?
It was born as much for her knowing for a decade and a half it was her or bust. Grace Kelly looks a real talent now, though.
No All star nomination for Grace Kelly. A bit of an over site there by the LGFA. One of Mayo's better players this year.
Quote from: Halfquarter on October 04, 2017, 12:28:41 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 03, 2017, 08:19:09 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 25, 2017, 06:45:16 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 25, 2017, 06:13:12 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 25, 2017, 05:44:25 PM
This was first ladies game I've watched this year i addition to the one I watched last year. Is Mayo's star forward always that greedy? I counted 6 wides and one shot dropped short in a 15 minute period either side of half time yesterday, it was a very similar performance to last years game when they were knocked out when she was attempting shots from ridiculous angles.
Yes
And how did Cork get nine nominations ?
It was born as much for her knowing for a decade and a half it was her or bust. Grace Kelly looks a real talent now, though.
No All star nomination for Grace Kelly. A bit of an over site there by the LGFA. One of Mayo's better players this year.
Based on the Donegal and Cork games, the non-selection of Grace Kelly does look poor. However, leaving that aside is the Ladies nominations where the league form is given weight not a better system than the men's where only the c/ship semi-finalists seem to be considered. Donegal, for instance, League finalists and c/ship quarter-finalists have 5 nominees. Mayo's league and Connacht c/ship were disastrous.