Well no time to dwell on victory over donegal,it was a great recovery from the connacht final,to be honest yesterday's match was similar to the connacht final in that donegal didn't turn up.
Well now it's kerry,they say if you are going to catch then it's at this stage as they come in cold,cork in fairness showed that were no slouches against mayo,it does add weight to Kerry's munster final victory.I am looking forward to a great game,I just think kerry will use the wide open spaces that will stretch our backline to breaking point.
Dhera. Kerry have great forwards.
Geaney and JOD versus Power, Kyne, Sweeney and Kerin.
Children shouldn't be let in to see that bloodbath.
I think we can cause them problems going forward but hard not to see Geaney, Donaghy and O'Donoghue causing rack and ruin. None of our full-back line is physically strong enough to mark Donaghy and Geaney one on one and none of them are quick enough to mark O'Donoghue. Galway maybe should go very defensive for the first 20 minutes or so just to get themselves into the game and take it from there.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 23, 2017, 02:07:36 PM
I think we can cause them problems going forward but hard not to see Geaney, Donaghy and O'Donoghue causing rack and ruin. None of our full-back line is physically strong enough to mark Donaghy and Geaney one on one and none of them are quick enough to mark O'Donoghue. Galway maybe should go very defensive for the first 20 minutes or so just to get themselves into the game and take it from there.
The thing is can Galway really go defensive ?
I'd be fairly doubtful of this team's ability to batten down the hatches, slow the game down and
Galway got a lot of joy in midfield but there is a world of difference between the current Donegal midfield and the Kerry midfield options.
I'd have serious questions about Galway's ability to close out a game especially when you look at their subs bench compared to Kerry's
The Galway subs last night were
David Wynne for Sweeney (60, black card)
Eamonn Branningan for Walsh (60)
Danny Cummins for Daly (63)
Michael Meehan for Comer (68)
David Walsh for Bradshaw (72)
Cillian McDaid for O'Donnell (72)
As a comparison the subs Kerry brought on versus Cork
S O'Brien (0-03) for Walsh (36 mins)
K Young for Fitzgerald (46 mins)
J Barry for Maher (59 mins)
BJ Keane (0-01) for O'Donoghue (63 mins)
D O'Sullivan for Donaghy (65 mins)
J Lyne for M Geaney (66 mins).
KW in his first year or two had a good defensive system installed with Sligo and some of the personnel wouldn't have been known as good defenders. Obviously he's not going to install a new plan in a week but it is vital that Galway don't get caught for an early blitz.
Quote from: twohands!!! on July 23, 2017, 04:25:27 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 23, 2017, 02:07:36 PM
I think we can cause them problems going forward but hard not to see Geaney, Donaghy and O'Donoghue causing rack and ruin. None of our full-back line is physically strong enough to mark Donaghy and Geaney one on one and none of them are quick enough to mark O'Donoghue. Galway maybe should go very defensive for the first 20 minutes or so just to get themselves into the game and take it from there.
The thing is can Galway really go defensive ?
I'd be fairly doubtful of this team's ability to batten down the hatches, slow the game down and
Galway got a lot of joy in midfield but there is a world of difference between the current Donegal midfield and the Kerry midfield options.
I'd have serious questions about Galway's ability to close out a game especially when you look at their subs bench compared to Kerry's
The Galway subs last night were
David Wynne for Sweeney (60, black card)
Eamonn Branningan for Walsh (60)
Danny Cummins for Daly (63)
Michael Meehan for Comer (68)
David Walsh for Bradshaw (72)
Cillian McDaid for O'Donnell (72)
As a comparison the subs Kerry brought on versus Cork
S O'Brien (0-03) for Walsh (36 mins)
K Young for Fitzgerald (46 mins)
J Barry for Maher (59 mins)
BJ Keane (0-01) for O'Donoghue (63 mins)
D O'Sullivan for Donaghy (65 mins)
J Lyne for M Geaney (66 mins).
galway were very defensive v Ros last year in salthill
should be an interesting game
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 24, 2017, 11:18:28 AM
KW in his first year or two had a good defensive system installed with Sligo and some of the personnel wouldn't have been known as good defenders. Obviously he's not going to install a new plan in a week but it is vital that Galway don't get caught for an early blitz.
Our full-back line was more solid though.
Kerry have to win the Connaught championship to get to the final, they will destroy Galway, who are too open, another easy run for the Kingdom, as it always has been.....
Kerry V Tyrone or Dublin.
Whatever about systems etc. there has to be an acknowledgement of the weaknesses in the amount of viable and available players for certain positions on the pitch, people have lashed Kevin Walsh but Galway are not Kerry or Dublin with loads of players to pick from in all areas. Are there players within the county right now that are better, particularly in defence, than what's on the current Galway 31 player panel? I haven't heard about them if they are there.
Plenty of people have been on about Sean Andy from the u21 side playing if he was available all summer, Galway in both hurling and football have shown time and again that underage prowess is no guarantee of a capability to play Senior, we have no idea how he will pan out until he is playing there, to say he will solve the ills of the FB line is pure speculation. That said obviously I hope he's a superstar for Galway at Senior level.
Himself and Peter Cooke decided to go to play in the States this year and as young men with the opportunity to go and do that, few could argue against that choice.
Looking backward for a moment, I couldn't believe how poor Donegal were on Saturday evening, I was expecting a very stern test and they brought nothing to the table. Galway were up for the match and had the right attitude from minute one but really once Galway got a lead at all Donegal threw their collective hats at it.
It's astounding to think the same county was only the kick of a ball away from an All Ireland win 3 years ago compared to the awfulness of Saturday, they have been crucified with player retirements etc. but it's very sad to see Michael Murphy's regression, he looks like a thoroughbred that's been put doing too much carthorse work at this stage.
FOC shouldn't be let near midfield next week, Conroy and Flynn look much better balanced out there. Over the past few years it's been clear to see that invariably Galway will go however Paul Conroy goes on the day, when he plays well Galway are generally in with a shout, any big off days and the same is true of Galway's efforts.
However well Conroy and Flynn did the last day, there is no comparison between the anaemic Donegal midfield and the Kerry Moran/Maher axis, it will be difficult enough to merely break even out there and I would posit that unless Galway win the midfield battle by a large degree they have zero chance.
Kerry are the second best team in the country at the moment and they love playing Galway because they always win, this is accompanied by the usual plamás before and afterwards about "real football" and "playing it the right way", when the Kerry media mafia are complaining and seeking to undermine you pre match a la the noughties Tyrone team that's when you know they are actually worried.
It's a mammoth ask for Galway on Sunday but the Q-final is the game that Kerry are likely to be most vulnerable in, if Mayo were playing them on Sunday they'd be getting tipped by more than a few to cause an upset and honestly only for Aidan O'Shea's excellent form the last three games I think Mayo could be gone from the championship. Before the Mayo lads jump down my throat that's not to say that they won't improve to the much higher level they are capable of for the rest of the year in Croke Park, we all saw it happen last year.
I don't think that Galway have the backs or squad to match Kerry but I hope it's not as bad some reckon it's going to be, I've seen enough "murdered" Galway football teams this decade, could really do without that again.
Galway haven't beaten Kerry since 1965 in the championship, far superior Galway teams than this one couldn't get the better of them. They absolutely blew it again Tipp last year but amongst the lower part of the top 8 is really Galway's true level, they've got that far again this year so have a cut at it with aggression and purpose on Sunday, if they do that no one in Galway will criticise them for losing to a better team no matter the outcome, whatever external brickbats that might be thrown at them are irrelevant.
We must surely be able to convert some guys who would usually play higher up the pitch into lads that can do an effective job Ina full back line?
Most county corner backs play out the field with their clubs these days.
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 24, 2017, 12:08:44 PM
Kerry have to win the Connaught championship to get to the final, they will destroy Galway, who are too open, another easy run for the Kingdom, as it always has been.....
Kerry V Tyrone or Dublin.
A -it's CONNACHT
B- Donegal and Cork showed them weak Connacht teams a thing or 2.
Looking forward to a really open game.
If it is a shootout then then there can be only one winner.
Quote from: Taylor on July 24, 2017, 01:46:22 PM
Looking forward to a really open game.
If it is a shootout then then there can be only one winner.
In any game there can only be one winner. Unless it's a draw, and then there's no winner.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 24, 2017, 01:50:59 PM
Quote from: Taylor on July 24, 2017, 01:46:22 PM
Looking forward to a really open game.
If it is a shootout then then there can be only one winner.
In any game there can only be one winner. Unless it's a draw, and then there's no winner.
Or if its abandoned. Then there's no winner either
I actually hope against Galways nature that they go and close the game down! Playing open football is ok against a developing Donegal side. But against Kerry it's a Licence to hand out All Stars to their forward line.
Quote from: Taylor on July 24, 2017, 01:57:53 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 24, 2017, 01:50:59 PM
Quote from: Taylor on July 24, 2017, 01:46:22 PM
Looking forward to a really open game.
If it is a shootout then then there can be only one winner.
In any game there can only be one winner. Unless it's a draw, and then there's no winner.
Or if its abandoned. Then there's no winner either
Or if it's puke football. Everyone loses
Quote from: seafoid on July 24, 2017, 02:14:54 PM
Quote from: Taylor on July 24, 2017, 01:57:53 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 24, 2017, 01:50:59 PM
Quote from: Taylor on July 24, 2017, 01:46:22 PM
Looking forward to a really open game.
If it is a shootout then then there can be only one winner.
In any game there can only be one winner. Unless it's a draw, and then there's no winner.
No Nordie county involved so safe enough on that count
Or if its abandoned. Then there's no winner either
Or if it's puke football. Everyone loses
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 24, 2017, 02:08:42 PM
I actually hope against Galways nature that they go and close the game down! Playing open football is ok against a developing Donegal side. But against Kerry it's a Licence to hand out All Stars to their forward line.
This Galway team's nature is defensive football, don't let a few solos by Walsh or bullock runs by Comer fool you. This is a match-up with two teams more preoccupied with defending than attacking.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 24, 2017, 01:42:07 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 24, 2017, 12:08:44 PM
Kerry have to win the Connaught championship to get to the final, they will destroy Galway, who are too open, another easy run for the Kingdom, as it always has been.....
Kerry V Tyrone or Dublin.
A -it's CONNACHT
B- Donegal and Cork showed them weak Connacht teams a thing or 2.
A - The usual English spelling in Ireland since the Gaelic revival is Connacht, the spelling of the disused Irish singular. The official English spelling during English and British rule was the anglicisation Connaught, pronounced /kɒnɔːt/ or /kɒnət/.[13] This was used for the Connaught Rangers in the British Army; in the title of Queen Victoria's son Arthur, Duke of Connaught; and the Connaught Hotel, London, named after the Duke in 1917. Usage of the Connaught spelling is now in decline. State bodies use Connacht, for example in Central Statistics Office census reports since 1926,[14] and the name of the Connacht–Ulster European Parliament constituency of 1979–2004,[15][16][17] although Connaught occurs in some statutes.[18][19] Among newspapers, the Connaught Telegraph (founded 1830) retains the anglicised spelling in its name, whereas the Connacht Tribune (founded 1909) uses the Gaelic. Connacht Rugby who represent the region and are based in Galway, use the Gaelic spelling also.[20] - I apologies, predictive text on phone.
2. Yes, Connacht is a lot stronger since Mayo's 5 in a row, however, Kerry are in the top 3 teams in country, people talk about the gap between the top 4 or 6 or 8, I believe there is a big gap between the top 3 and top 8 say. Anyway we shall see Sunday.
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 24, 2017, 02:23:12 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 24, 2017, 01:42:07 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 24, 2017, 12:08:44 PM
Kerry have to win the Connaught championship to get to the final, they will destroy Galway, who are too open, another easy run for the Kingdom, as it always has been.....
Kerry V Tyrone or Dublin.
A -it's CONNACHT
B- Donegal and Cork showed them weak Connacht teams a thing or 2.
A - The usual English spelling in Ireland since the Gaelic revival is Connacht, the spelling of the disused Irish singular. The official English spelling during English and British rule was the anglicisation Connaught, pronounced /kɒnɔːt/ or /kɒnət/.[13] This was used for the Connaught Rangers in the British Army; in the title of Queen Victoria's son Arthur, Duke of Connaught; and the Connaught Hotel, London, named after the Duke in 1917. Usage of the Connaught spelling is now in decline. State bodies use Connacht, for example in Central Statistics Office census reports since 1926,[14] and the name of the Connacht–Ulster European Parliament constituency of 1979–2004,[15][16][17] although Connaught occurs in some statutes.[18][19] Among newspapers, the Connaught Telegraph (founded 1830) retains the anglicised spelling in its name, whereas the Connacht Tribune (founded 1909) uses the Gaelic. Connacht Rugby who represent the region and are based in Galway, use the Gaelic spelling also.[20] - I apologies, predictive text on phone.
2. Yes, Connacht is a lot stronger since Mayo's 5 in a row, however, Kerry are in the top 3 teams in country, people talk about the gap between the top 4 or 6 or 8, I believe there is a big gap between the top 3 and top 8 say. Anyway we shall see Sunday.
Have you watched Mayo play this year? Or last?
Quote from: Syferus on July 24, 2017, 02:25:26 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 24, 2017, 02:23:12 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 24, 2017, 01:42:07 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 24, 2017, 12:08:44 PM
Kerry have to win the Connaught championship to get to the final, they will destroy Galway, who are too open, another easy run for the Kingdom, as it always has been.....
Kerry V Tyrone or Dublin.
A -it's CONNACHT
B- Donegal and Cork showed them weak Connacht teams a thing or 2.
A - The usual English spelling in Ireland since the Gaelic revival is Connacht, the spelling of the disused Irish singular. The official English spelling during English and British rule was the anglicisation Connaught, pronounced /kɒnɔːt/ or /kɒnət/.[13] This was used for the Connaught Rangers in the British Army; in the title of Queen Victoria's son Arthur, Duke of Connaught; and the Connaught Hotel, London, named after the Duke in 1917. Usage of the Connaught spelling is now in decline. State bodies use Connacht, for example in Central Statistics Office census reports since 1926,[14] and the name of the Connacht–Ulster European Parliament constituency of 1979–2004,[15][16][17] although Connaught occurs in some statutes.[18][19] Among newspapers, the Connaught Telegraph (founded 1830) retains the anglicised spelling in its name, whereas the Connacht Tribune (founded 1909) uses the Gaelic. Connacht Rugby who represent the region and are based in Galway, use the Gaelic spelling also.[20] - I apologies, predictive text on phone.
2. Yes, Connacht is a lot stronger since Mayo's 5 in a row, however, Kerry are in the top 3 teams in country, people talk about the gap between the top 4 or 6 or 8, I believe there is a big gap between the top 3 and top 8 say. Anyway we shall see Sunday.
Have you watched Mayo play this year? Or last?
Yes, they are the most televised GAA team in the last 20 years, iv seen all their games this year and last year including the two in the flesh. Good team but not as good as Kerry, far from it, plus we will have now the annual Mayo for Sam followed by the inevitable defeat.
I think Mayo are not as good this year as the last few years. Bottle up O Connor, O Shea and couple of others and its game over.
Quote from: Syferus on July 24, 2017, 02:20:44 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 24, 2017, 02:08:42 PM
I actually hope against Galways nature that they go and close the game down! Playing open football is ok against a developing Donegal side. But against Kerry it's a Licence to hand out All Stars to their forward line.
This Galway team's nature is defensive football, don't let a few solos by Walsh or bullock runs by Comer fool you. This is a match-up with two teams more preoccupied with defending than attacking.
They were the top scorers in D2 and provided they get over the first 15 minutes they tend to score frequently.
Quote from: seafoid on July 24, 2017, 02:54:31 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 24, 2017, 02:20:44 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 24, 2017, 02:08:42 PM
I actually hope against Galways nature that they go and close the game down! Playing open football is ok against a developing Donegal side. But against Kerry it's a Licence to hand out All Stars to their forward line.
This Galway team's nature is defensive football, don't let a few solos by Walsh or bullock runs by Comer fool you. This is a match-up with two teams more preoccupied with defending than attacking.
They were the top scorers in D2 and provided they get over the first 15 minutes they tend to score frequently.
At the same time while Galway are supposedly defensive - time and again in games the full back line are left man on man.
It was highlighted briefly on the Sunday Game last night (only saw a snippet of it).
They do withdraw bodies out from the full forward line back towards midfield but often don't get bodies far enough back the pitch to help out what is clearly the weakest line in the team.
You might be able to get away with this to a certain extent if you have 3 solid man markers but Galway don't have even one of them at present unfortunately.
I think the team needs to have a full time sweeper. It can cause its own problems further out the field sure but the alternative doesn't bear thinking about.
Quote from: Syferus on July 24, 2017, 02:20:44 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 24, 2017, 02:08:42 PM
I actually hope against Galways nature that they go and close the game down! Playing open football is ok against a developing Donegal side. But against Kerry it's a Licence to hand out All Stars to their forward line.
This Galway team's nature is defensive football, don't let a few solos by Walsh or bullock runs by Comer fool you. This is a match-up with two teams more preoccupied with defending than attacking.
Galway weren't actually that defensive against Donegal. They didn't even have a sweeper back and left 3 forwards up almost the whole time. It was pretty much man on man at the back.
What they did do more though was kick the ball into the forwards quicker and then got up in support instead of handpassing it slowly up the field.
That said I think they need to go more defensive against Kerry. Think it would be crazy not to.
For Galway to have a chance Kerry would have to have a serious off day and that won't happen. Lets hope we can give them some sort of a game and then its back to the drawing board for KW over the winter to try and come up with a serious structure to protect that full backline going forward. Anytime quick ball is delivered into the oppositions full forward line Galway are in serious trouble, Galway have to play far more cautiously otherwise like in 2014 the game will be out of reach very quickly.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 24, 2017, 04:43:48 PM
For Galway to have a chance Kerry would have to have a serious off day and that won't happen. Lets hope we can give them some sort of a game and then its back to the drawing board for KW over the winter to try and come up with a serious structure to protect that full backline going forward. Anytime quick ball is delivered into the oppositions full forward line Galway are in serious trouble, Galway have to play far more cautiously otherwise like in 2014 the game will be out of reach very quickly.
Yeah Kerry will let quick ball inside all day long. Galway are better against teams that run the ball instead of delivering early ball.
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 24, 2017, 02:23:12 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 24, 2017, 01:42:07 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 24, 2017, 12:08:44 PM
Kerry have to win the Connaught championship to get to the final, they will destroy Galway, who are too open, another easy run for the Kingdom, as it always has been.....
Kerry V Tyrone or Dublin.
A -it's CONNACHT
B- Donegal and Cork showed them weak Connacht teams a thing or 2.
A - The usual English spelling in Ireland since the Gaelic revival is Connacht, the spelling of the disused Irish singular. The official English spelling during English and British rule was the anglicisation Connaught, pronounced /kɒnɔːt/ or /kɒnət/.[13] This was used for the Connaught Rangers in the British Army; in the title of Queen Victoria's son Arthur, Duke of Connaught; and the Connaught Hotel, London, named after the Duke in 1917. Usage of the Connaught spelling is now in decline. State bodies use Connacht, for example in Central Statistics Office census reports since 1926,[14] and the name of the Connacht–Ulster European Parliament constituency of 1979–2004,[15][16][17] although Connaught occurs in some statutes.[18][19] Among newspapers, the Connaught Telegraph (founded 1830) retains the anglicised spelling in its name, whereas the Connacht Tribune (founded 1909) uses the Gaelic. Connacht Rugby who represent the region and are based in Galway, use the Gaelic spelling also.[20] - I apologies, predictive text on phone.
2. Yes, Connacht is a lot stronger since Mayo's 5 in a row, however, Kerry are in the top 3 teams in country, people talk about the gap between the top 4 or 6 or 8, I believe there is a big gap between the top 3 and top 8 say. Anyway we shall see Sunday.
Kerry must be rubbing their hands to be on the handy side of the draw. I wonder why Fitzmaurice was in Limerick on Saturday evening at all?
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 24, 2017, 02:23:12 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 24, 2017, 01:42:07 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 24, 2017, 12:08:44 PM
Kerry have to win the Connaught championship to get to the final, they will destroy Galway, who are too open, another easy run for the Kingdom, as it always has been.....
Kerry V Tyrone or Dublin.
A -it's CONNACHT
B- Donegal and Cork showed them weak Connacht teams a thing or 2.
A - The usual English spelling in Ireland since the Gaelic revival is Connacht, the spelling of the disused Irish singular. The official English spelling during English and British rule was the anglicisation Connaught, pronounced /kɒnɔːt/ or /kɒnət/.[13] This was used for the Connaught Rangers in the British Army; in the title of Queen Victoria's son Arthur, Duke of Connaught; and the Connaught Hotel, London, named after the Duke in 1917. Usage of the Connaught spelling is now in decline. State bodies use Connacht, for example in Central Statistics Office census reports since 1926,[14] and the name of the Connacht–Ulster European Parliament constituency of 1979–2004,[15][16][17] although Connaught occurs in some statutes.[18][19] Among newspapers, the Connaught Telegraph (founded 1830) retains the anglicised spelling in its name, whereas the Connacht Tribune (founded 1909) uses the Gaelic. Connacht Rugby who represent the region and are based in Galway, use the Gaelic spelling also.[20] - I apologies, predictive text on phone.
2. Yes, Connacht is a lot stronger since Mayo's 5 in a row, however, Kerry are in the top 3 teams in country, people talk about the gap between the top 4 or 6 or 8, I believe there is a big gap between the top 3 and top 8 say. Anyway we shall see Sunday.
The singular nominative in Irish for the English term "Connaught" is "Connachta", not "Connacht." "Connacht" is the singular genitive, what you may remember with fear and trembling from your schooldays as the tuisil ginideach.
Béarla | Gaeilge |
Connaught | Connachta |
The Province of Connaught | Cúige Connacht |
I live in Connaught | Tá mé i mo chónaí i gConnachta |
The Devil's Own Connaught Rangers | Raonaithe Chonnacht an Dhiabhail Féin |
Sean Armstrong wasn't slow asserting that complacency was the only reason Galway got hammered by Roscommon while basking in the glory of beating a shot Donegal side. Jesus lads, ye don't half play into the arrogant Fancy Dan persona sometimes.
That sort of nonsense does ye no good, but most worryingly it shows a detachment from reality that's likely to bite you in the arse.
Quote from: Syferus on July 24, 2017, 09:51:37 PM
Sean Armstrong wasn't slow asserting that complacency was the only reason Galway got hammered by Roscommon while basking in the glory of beating a shot Donegal side. Jesus lads, ye don't half play into the arrogant Fancy Dan persona sometimes.
That sort of nonsense does ye no good, but most worryingly it shows a detachment from reality that's likely to bite you in the arse.
Ros are 66/1
Galway are 25/1
http://www.paddypower.com/bet/gaa-sports/gaa-football/all-ireland-sfc
Quote from: seafoid on July 24, 2017, 09:55:33 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 24, 2017, 09:51:37 PM
Sean Armstrong wasn't slow asserting that complacency was the only reason Galway got hammered by Roscommon while basking in the glory of beating a shot Donegal side. Jesus lads, ye don't half play into the arrogant Fancy Dan persona sometimes.
That sort of nonsense does ye no good, but most worryingly it shows a detachment from reality that's likely to bite you in the arse.
Ros are 66/1
Galway are 25/1
http://www.paddypower.com/bet/gaa-sports/gaa-football/all-ireland-sfc
To reach semi final
Ros are 2/1
Galway are 7/2
Quote from: Syferus on July 24, 2017, 09:51:37 PM
Sean Armstrong wasn't slow asserting that complacency was the only reason Galway got hammered by Roscommon while basking in the glory of beating a shot Donegal side. Jesus lads, ye don't half play into the arrogant Fancy Dan persona sometimes.
That sort of nonsense does ye no good, but most worryingly it shows a detachment from reality that's likely to bite you in the arse.
You're some clown at times. Had you listened to the interview you'd have heard him saying that they gave Roscommon full respect, got lucky last year, and had done everything right in the run up. He also said he can't talk for other players and sure he wasnt even playing himself. Parkinson offered up the complacency angle and Armstrong lazily agreed.
As far detachment from reality, look at your post in the other thread about Galway being the third best team in Connacht. You know fine well deep down that Galway are ahead of Ros on what we've seen this year, and would be a heavy shade of odds on favourites were the sides to meet again. Exact same with Galway fans saying they're ahead of Mayo, it's simply not true as of yet.
The only problem with the ignore user function on here is that you unfortunately still have to view their quoted posts.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 24, 2017, 10:00:11 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 24, 2017, 09:55:33 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 24, 2017, 09:51:37 PM
Sean Armstrong wasn't slow asserting that complacency was the only reason Galway got hammered by Roscommon while basking in the glory of beating a shot Donegal side. Jesus lads, ye don't half play into the arrogant Fancy Dan persona sometimes.
That sort of nonsense does ye no good, but most worryingly it shows a detachment from reality that's likely to bite you in the arse.
Ros are 66/1
Galway are 25/1
http://www.paddypower.com/bet/gaa-sports/gaa-football/all-ireland-sfc
To reach semi final
Ros are 2/1
Galway are 7/2
That implies Ros are worse than 7/2 to beat Kerry in the semi
Quote from: Manning18 on July 24, 2017, 10:00:55 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 24, 2017, 09:51:37 PM
Sean Armstrong wasn't slow asserting that complacency was the only reason Galway got hammered by Roscommon while basking in the glory of beating a shot Donegal side. Jesus lads, ye don't half play into the arrogant Fancy Dan persona sometimes.
That sort of nonsense does ye no good, but most worryingly it shows a detachment from reality that's likely to bite you in the arse.
;D some clown at times. Had you listened to the interview you'd have heard him saying that they gave Roscommon full respect, got lucky last year, and had done everything right in the run up. He also said he can't talk for other players and sure he wasnt even playing himself. Parkinson offered up the complacency angle and Armstrong lazily agreed.
As far detachment from reality, look at your post in the other thread about Galway being the third best team in Connacht. You know fine well deep down that Galway are ahead of Ros on what we've seen this year, and would be a heavy shade of odds on favourites were the sides to meet again. Exact same with Galway fans saying they're ahead of Mayo, it's simply not true as of yet.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
If we're basing things on one off games, then Galway are surely ahead of Mayo in Connacht? But you said they were third. Which is it?
Quote from: Manning18 on July 24, 2017, 10:33:26 PM
If we're basing things on one off games, then Galway are surely ahead of Mayo in Connacht? But you said they were third. Which is it?
You are third.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 24, 2017, 10:07:03 PM
The only problem with the ignore user function on here is that you unfortunately still have to view their quoted posts.
Very true.
A Dose dot com
Quote from: seafoid on July 24, 2017, 10:08:26 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 24, 2017, 10:00:11 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 24, 2017, 09:55:33 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 24, 2017, 09:51:37 PM
Sean Armstrong wasn't slow asserting that complacency was the only reason Galway got hammered by Roscommon while basking in the glory of beating a shot Donegal side. Jesus lads, ye don't half play into the arrogant Fancy Dan persona sometimes.
That sort of nonsense does ye no good, but most worryingly it shows a detachment from reality that's likely to bite you in the arse.
Ros are 66/1
Galway are 25/1
http://www.paddypower.com/bet/gaa-sports/gaa-football/all-ireland-sfc
To reach semi final
Ros are 2/1
Galway are 7/2
That implies Ros are worse than 7/2 to beat Kerry in the semi
That implies Roscommon have a better chance of winning a game in Croker than Galway!
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 25, 2017, 12:16:36 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 24, 2017, 10:08:26 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 24, 2017, 10:00:11 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 24, 2017, 09:55:33 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 24, 2017, 09:51:37 PM
Sean Armstrong wasn't slow asserting that complacency was the only reason Galway got hammered by Roscommon while basking in the glory of beating a shot Donegal side. Jesus lads, ye don't half play into the arrogant Fancy Dan persona sometimes.
That sort of nonsense does ye no good, but most worryingly it shows a detachment from reality that's likely to bite you in the arse.
Ros are 66/1
Galway are 25/1
http://www.paddypower.com/bet/gaa-sports/gaa-football/all-ireland-sfc
To reach semi final
Ros are 2/1
Galway are 7/2
That implies Ros are worse than 7/2 to beat Kerry in the semi
That implies Roscommon have a better chance of winning a game in Croker than Galway!
It implies Mayo are not as good as Kerry. That is patronising.
I would love to see Galway emulating what Mayo did in the 96 semi.
Quote from: galwayman on July 24, 2017, 10:41:33 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 24, 2017, 10:07:03 PM
The only problem with the ignore user function on here is that you unfortunately still have to view their quoted posts.
Very true.
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Attention seeking requires attention, why oh why posters bother responding is beyond me.
http://munster.gaa.ie/2014/08/03/all-ireland-senior-football-championship-quarter-final-kerry-v-galway/
ah the memories,galway closed to within 2pts and I'n typical kerry style got the winning scores to win by seven,interestingly enough it was our defence under scrutiny that year too.
No more than Mayo, I'm sure Galway fans don't know where they are at yet, apart from CP on Sunday. Did they take Ros for granted? We won't know I suppose (Ros v Mayo won't be much of an indicator either). I didn't see the Connacht final, nor the Galway Donegal game so I assume they may be better than they fared against Ros. Saying all that, I can't see them giving Kerry much bother, and unfortunately for Galway that's all that counts really.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 25, 2017, 10:36:57 PM
No more than Mayo, I'm sure Galway fans don't know where they are at yet, apart from CP on Sunday. Did they take Ros for granted? We won't know I suppose (Ros v Mayo won't be much of an indicator either). I didn't see the Connacht final, nor the Galway Donegal game so I assume they may be better than they fared against Ros. Saying all that, I can't see them giving Kerry much bother, and unfortunately for Galway that's all that counts really.
I don't know how lightly Galway took Roscommon if they even did take them lightly but there's no denying Galway in those first 15 minutes were appalling and could easily have been 12 or 13 points down they were that bad.
Unfortunately you can't trust this Galway team yet which is fairly obvious given the Tipp & Roscommon games in the last 12 months and even the Donegal defeat in 2015. I'm hoping the current crop will improve with the more games they play in Div 1 and with a better defensive structure they should close the gap on those above them but until a few better defenders come along Galway won't be contenders for the big prize.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 26, 2017, 01:48:15 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 25, 2017, 10:36:57 PM
No more than Mayo, I'm sure Galway fans don't know where they are at yet, apart from CP on Sunday. Did they take Ros for granted? We won't know I suppose (Ros v Mayo won't be much of an indicator either). I didn't see the Connacht final, nor the Galway Donegal game so I assume they may be better than they fared against Ros. Saying all that, I can't see them giving Kerry much bother, and unfortunately for Galway that's all that counts really.
I don't know how lightly Galway took Roscommon if they even did take them lightly but there's no denying Galway in those first 15 minutes were appalling and could easily have been 12 or 13 points down they were that bad.
Unfortunately you can't trust this Galway team yet which is fairly obvious given the Tipp & Roscommon games in the last 12 months and even the Donegal defeat in 2015. I'm hoping the current crop will improve with the more games they play in Div 1 and with a better defensive structure they should close the gap on those above them but until a few better defenders come along Galway won't be contenders for the big prize.
It was surprising (and pleasing) to beat Donegal as comfortably as we did. Sadly, management once again appear to be molasses-slow in learning anything. Midway through the second half and well in control, Comer should have been whipped off immediately. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think he was just another card away from being suspended, on 2 successive sendings-off. Instead he was left on til near the end; it was mighty to see Meehan return, but, like McDaid, why not give him more meaningful game time? Sweeney and Kyne to a lesser extent were cleaned all evening, but it took cards to have them removed - why? Like all fans, I worry greatly for our FB line on Sunday, but, as game as he is, Sweeney in particular looks like an imminent-catastrophe. Any of the anticipated Kerry front 3 could easily go to town on him.
It's great to be there and we could have a punchers chance but if KW stubbornly persists with picking underperforming players in defence yet again, it's really a forlorn chance.
Quote from: mouview on July 26, 2017, 02:37:54 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 26, 2017, 01:48:15 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 25, 2017, 10:36:57 PM
No more than Mayo, I'm sure Galway fans don't know where they are at yet, apart from CP on Sunday. Did they take Ros for granted? We won't know I suppose (Ros v Mayo won't be much of an indicator either). I didn't see the Connacht final, nor the Galway Donegal game so I assume they may be better than they fared against Ros. Saying all that, I can't see them giving Kerry much bother, and unfortunately for Galway that's all that counts really.
I don't know how lightly Galway took Roscommon if they even did take them lightly but there's no denying Galway in those first 15 minutes were appalling and could easily have been 12 or 13 points down they were that bad.
Unfortunately you can't trust this Galway team yet which is fairly obvious given the Tipp & Roscommon games in the last 12 months and even the Donegal defeat in 2015. I'm hoping the current crop will improve with the more games they play in Div 1 and with a better defensive structure they should close the gap on those above them but until a few better defenders come along Galway won't be contenders for the big prize.
It was surprising (and pleasing) to beat Donegal as comfortably as we did. Sadly, management once again appear to be molasses-slow in learning anything. Midway through the second half and well in control, Comer should have been whipped off immediately. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think he was just another card away from being suspended, on 2 successive sendings-off. Instead he was left on til near the end; it was mighty to see Meehan return, but, like McDaid, why not give him more meaningful game time? Sweeney and Kyne to a lesser extent were cleaned all evening, but it took cards to have them removed - why? Like all fans, I worry greatly for our FB line on Sunday, but, as game as he is, Sweeney in particular looks like an imminent-catastrophe. Any of the anticipated Kerry front 3 could easily go to town on him.
It's great to be there and we could have a punchers chance but if KW stubbornly persists with picking underperforming players in defence yet again, it's really a forlorn chance.
That has a familiar ring to it alright.
Quote from: mouview on July 26, 2017, 02:37:54 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 26, 2017, 01:48:15 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 25, 2017, 10:36:57 PM
No more than Mayo, I'm sure Galway fans don't know where they are at yet, apart from CP on Sunday. Did they take Ros for granted? We won't know I suppose (Ros v Mayo won't be much of an indicator either). I didn't see the Connacht final, nor the Galway Donegal game so I assume they may be better than they fared against Ros. Saying all that, I can't see them giving Kerry much bother, and unfortunately for Galway that's all that counts really.
I don't know how lightly Galway took Roscommon if they even did take them lightly but there's no denying Galway in those first 15 minutes were appalling and could easily have been 12 or 13 points down they were that bad.
Unfortunately you can't trust this Galway team yet which is fairly obvious given the Tipp & Roscommon games in the last 12 months and even the Donegal defeat in 2015. I'm hoping the current crop will improve with the more games they play in Div 1 and with a better defensive structure they should close the gap on those above them but until a few better defenders come along Galway won't be contenders for the big prize.
It's great to be there and we could have a punchers chance but if KW stubbornly persists with picking underperforming players in defence yet again, it's really a forlorn chance.
Not sure much can be done personnel wise at this late stage. We don't even have that many defensive options on the bench.
Sean Andy will get his shot at full-back during the league. Bigger, quicker and more athletic than Kyne. But Walsh still needs to find two new corner-backs from somewhere for next year.
Quote from: mouview on July 26, 2017, 02:37:54 PM
It was surprising (and pleasing) to beat Donegal as comfortably as we did. Sadly, management once again appear to be molasses-slow in learning anything. Midway through the second half and well in control, Comer should have been whipped off immediately. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think he was just another card away from being suspended, on 2 successive sendings-off. Instead he was left on til near the end; it was mighty to see Meehan return, but, like McDaid, why not give him more meaningful game time? Sweeney and Kyne to a lesser extent were cleaned all evening, but it took cards to have them removed - why? Like all fans, I worry greatly for our FB line on Sunday, but, as game as he is, Sweeney in particular looks like an imminent-catastrophe. Any of the anticipated Kerry front 3 could easily go to town on him.
It's great to be there and we could have a punchers chance but if KW stubbornly persists with picking underperforming players in defence yet again, it's really a forlorn chance.
As GBB has said it's a lack of options at this point, Galway bench on Saturday wasn't overflowing with defenders:
Ruairi Lavelle
David Wynne
David Walsh
Cillian McDaid
Michael Farragher (Is he even a defender really?)
Enda Tierney
Eamonn Brannigan
Gary Sice
Danny Cummins
Michael Meehan
Ronan Steede
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 26, 2017, 03:11:54 PM
Quote from: mouview on July 26, 2017, 02:37:54 PM
It was surprising (and pleasing) to beat Donegal as comfortably as we did. Sadly, management once again appear to be molasses-slow in learning anything. Midway through the second half and well in control, Comer should have been whipped off immediately. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think he was just another card away from being suspended, on 2 successive sendings-off. Instead he was left on til near the end; it was mighty to see Meehan return, but, like McDaid, why not give him more meaningful game time? Sweeney and Kyne to a lesser extent were cleaned all evening, but it took cards to have them removed - why? Like all fans, I worry greatly for our FB line on Sunday, but, as game as he is, Sweeney in particular looks like an imminent-catastrophe. Any of the anticipated Kerry front 3 could easily go to town on him.
It's great to be there and we could have a punchers chance but if KW stubbornly persists with picking underperforming players in defence yet again, it's really a forlorn chance.
As GBB has said it's a lack of options at this point, Galway bench on Saturday wasn't overflowing with defenders:
Ruairi Lavelle
David Wynne
David Walsh
Cillian McDaid
Michael Farragher (Is he even a defender really?)
Enda Tierney
Eamonn Brannigan
Gary Sice
Danny Cummins
Michael Meehan
Ronan Steede
McDaid is at least a lot quicker than Sweeney; Farragher mightn't be but is a better footballer all round. I'd even chance Wynne at this stage in place of poor Cathal.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 26, 2017, 03:11:54 PM
Quote from: mouview on July 26, 2017, 02:37:54 PM
It was surprising (and pleasing) to beat Donegal as comfortably as we did. Sadly, management once again appear to be molasses-slow in learning anything. Midway through the second half and well in control, Comer should have been whipped off immediately. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think he was just another card away from being suspended, on 2 successive sendings-off. Instead he was left on til near the end; it was mighty to see Meehan return, but, like McDaid, why not give him more meaningful game time? Sweeney and Kyne to a lesser extent were cleaned all evening, but it took cards to have them removed - why? Like all fans, I worry greatly for our FB line on Sunday, but, as game as he is, Sweeney in particular looks like an imminent-catastrophe. Any of the anticipated Kerry front 3 could easily go to town on him.
It's great to be there and we could have a punchers chance but if KW stubbornly persists with picking underperforming players in defence yet again, it's really a forlorn chance.
As GBB has said it's a lack of options at this point, Galway bench on Saturday wasn't overflowing with defenders:
Ruairi Lavelle
David Wynne
David Walsh
Cillian McDaid
Michael Farragher (Is he even a defender really?)
Enda Tierney
Eamonn Brannigan
Gary Sice
Danny Cummins
Michael Meehan
Ronan Steede
It's crazy there are so few defensive subs on the panel.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 25, 2017, 05:08:33 PM
Quote from: galwayman on July 24, 2017, 10:41:33 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 24, 2017, 10:07:03 PM
The only problem with the ignore user function on here is that you unfortunately still have to view their quoted posts.
Very true.
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Attention seeking requires attention, why oh why posters bother responding is beyond me.
I know. All I can think of is that people don't realise and by the time they do it's too late as they've given the attention. The ignore function is imperfect as outlines but still very useful.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 26, 2017, 02:57:34 PM
Quote from: mouview on July 26, 2017, 02:37:54 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 26, 2017, 01:48:15 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 25, 2017, 10:36:57 PM
No more than Mayo, I'm sure Galway fans don't know where they are at yet, apart from CP on Sunday. Did they take Ros for granted? We won't know I suppose (Ros v Mayo won't be much of an indicator either). I didn't see the Connacht final, nor the Galway Donegal game so I assume they may be better than they fared against Ros. Saying all that, I can't see them giving Kerry much bother, and unfortunately for Galway that's all that counts really.
I don't know how lightly Galway took Roscommon if they even did take them lightly but there's no denying Galway in those first 15 minutes were appalling and could easily have been 12 or 13 points down they were that bad.
Unfortunately you can't trust this Galway team yet which is fairly obvious given the Tipp & Roscommon games in the last 12 months and even the Donegal defeat in 2015. I'm hoping the current crop will improve with the more games they play in Div 1 and with a better defensive structure they should close the gap on those above them but until a few better defenders come along Galway won't be contenders for the big prize.
It's great to be there and we could have a punchers chance but if KW stubbornly persists with picking underperforming players in defence yet again, it's really a forlorn chance.
Not sure much can be done personnel wise at this late stage. We don't even have that many defensive options on the bench.
Sean Andy will get his shot at full-back during the league. Bigger, quicker and more athletic than Kyne. But Walsh still needs to find two new corner-backs from somewhere for next year.
I wouldn't mind seeing a bit more of Kerin, its a shame he's missed most of the year through injury. He is quick and strong and has the makings of a good corner back. Sweeney did very well in 2015 and had good games on COC, Jamie Clarke & McBrearty but unfortunately hasn't got back to those heights. Sean Andy will likely get his chance in the league but i'm hoping KW has someone else lined up for that full back line.
What concerns me most is that KW is fully aware of the limitations of Kyne & Sweeney yet leaves them wide open time and time again, by now he should have a system in place that offers them some sort of protection. Galway conceded 8 goals in those championship defeats to Donegal, Tipp & Roscommon and the majority of those goals could easily have been avoided.
Do lads think that randomly Galway happen to be cursed with bad corner and full backs?
I've seen Sean Andy up against some of our subs as he hasn't done too well.
Kyne, Kerin, sweeney - whoever you put in there are being hung out to dry. We've a hugely attack minded half back line providing no protection to the lads inside. It can't be much of a coincidence that over the last few seasons it's our full back line to blame no matter who plays there.
It's unfair on the three lads to see all the criticism of these guys yet our nice natural non defensively minded half backs leave acres of space in front of them.
Our system is set up to leave these guys fight their own battle and it's rare any other county's full back line sees as much space ahead of them to kick ball into - as do our full back line.
I do agree though if we are going for a bit of this kamikaze full back line play we need more pace. Maybe Mc Daid is the answer, possibly.
Yer avatar picture has been fecked over by PhotoBucket's new ToS, DJ.
Quote from: Syferus on July 26, 2017, 08:54:34 PM
Yer avatar picture has been fecked over by PhotoBucket's new ToS, DJ.
Cheers have changed it now.
In the modern intercounty game the FB line is almost an impossible place to play if you're isolated and the opponents are semi competent. If there's no proper defensive system in place you're goosed. Owenmoresider made a great point earlier - I was probably giving Walsh too much credit for our defensive system. We had and absolutely amazing FB line at that time. You're probably not going to develop one in his famous A v B games any time soon.
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 27, 2017, 08:55:02 AM
In the modern intercounty game the FB line is almost an impossible place to play if you're isolated and the opponents are semi competent. If there's no proper defensive system in place you're goosed. Owenmoresider made a great point earlier - I was probably giving Walsh too much credit for our defensive system. We had and absolutely amazing FB line at that time. You're probably not going to develop one in his famous A v B games any time soon.
This is very true. However, Galway's full back line appears particularly suspect.
Quote from: mouview on July 26, 2017, 03:19:23 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 26, 2017, 03:11:54 PM
Quote from: mouview on July 26, 2017, 02:37:54 PM
It was surprising (and pleasing) to beat Donegal as comfortably as we did. Sadly, management once again appear to be molasses-slow in learning anything. Midway through the second half and well in control, Comer should have been whipped off immediately. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think he was just another card away from being suspended, on 2 successive sendings-off. Instead he was left on til near the end; it was mighty to see Meehan return, but, like McDaid, why not give him more meaningful game time? Sweeney and Kyne to a lesser extent were cleaned all evening, but it took cards to have them removed - why? Like all fans, I worry greatly for our FB line on Sunday, but, as game as he is, Sweeney in particular looks like an imminent-catastrophe. Any of the anticipated Kerry front 3 could easily go to town on him.
It's great to be there and we could have a punchers chance but if KW stubbornly persists with picking underperforming players in defence yet again, it's really a forlorn chance.
As GBB has said it's a lack of options at this point, Galway bench on Saturday wasn't overflowing with defenders:
Ruairi Lavelle
David Wynne
David Walsh
Cillian McDaid
Michael Farragher (Is he even a defender really?)
Enda Tierney
Eamonn Brannigan
Gary Sice
Danny Cummins
Michael Meehan
Ronan Steede
McDaid is at least a lot quicker than Sweeney; Farragher mightn't be but is a better footballer all round. I'd even chance Wynne at this stage in place of poor Cathal.
Wynne has had a shockingly poor year so far. He was roasted v Down in the league. And in the Mayo match. I would stick with Sweeney.
Galway championship record v Kerry
Played - 20
Kerry wins - 11
Galway wins - 6
Draws - 3
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 27, 2017, 10:44:38 PM
Galway championship record v Kerry
Played - 20
Kerry wins - 11
Galway wins - 6
Draws - 3
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/eoin-liston-bad-childhood-memories-ensure-that-im-always-wary-of-galway-35972233.html
One of my earliest childhood memories is sitting in front of a black and white television watching the three-in-a-row Galway team from '64-'66 and being inconsolable at the thought of Kerry greats like Mick O'Connell, Tom Long and Mick O'Dwyer finishing on the losing side.
I grew up with bad memories of that maroon and white jersey and will always be on guard against them, and for good reason. I'll never forget Michael Meehan's tour de force when he nearly beat Kerry by himself in 2008 and it's great to see him back in action.
Eamonn fitzmaurice had a similar thing about how good galway are today.
The funny thing is when they are speaking about counties they actually do fear they never tend to pump them up. It's always like "we respect them but we won't worry about them and their players. We'll just worry about ourselves".
Sounds like Kerry are working hard trying to convince themselves to take Galway seriously. Maybe a truer reflection of Kerry mindset going in to this game.
It's hilarious, the Kerry pundits are a joke in the run up to matches, same claptrap prior to the Munster final. They are having to go back to the 60's for any sort of fear factor, easy known we haven't beaten them since.
The U21 semi final will be on their minds I can guarantee you. That was a highly fancied Kerry and Galway's young guns tore them apart at times.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF2BPiJXUAA2Aak.jpg)
You know Kerry aren't taking it seriously when Star is starting.
Hopeful Galway can surprise some people but that keeper/FB line is where something special needs to happen for them to have a chance.
Would love to see Galway do well but that full-back line needs the full Galway novena and more to have a chance.
Lads, Galway (and Mayo for that fact) have a sh1te record against the Kingdom. Sh1te! Kerry love playing both because both make an effort at playing open football and Kerry say thank you very much and win! Looking back at the romance of beating them in the 60's is the the same as Mayo lads looking back to '51!
It is over 50 years since Galway beat Kerry! It as much ancient history as Mayo last AI win! Of course Galway are always thanked for giving Kerry a nice game by the media every couple of years. Spillane loves ye! Probably because ye are as harmless as Mayo! Feck the 2008 game - ye lost! Do you think Kerry would talk in awe of a great game in 2008 if they lost?
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 28, 2017, 10:57:56 PM
Lads, Galway (and Mayo for that fact) have a sh1te record against the Kingdom. Sh1te! Kerry love playing both because both make an effort at playing open football and Kerry say thank you very much and win! Looking back at the romance of beating them in the 60's is the the same as Mayo lads looking back to '51!
It is over 50 years since Galway beat Kerry! It as much ancient history as Mayo last AI win! Of course Galway are always thanked for giving Kerry a nice game by the media every couple of years. Spillane loves ye! Probably because ye are as harmless as Mayo! Feck the 2008 game - ye lost! Do you think Kerry would talk in awe of a great game in 2008 if they lost?
I have to agree Bunker. Galway, like Mayo get pulled in by the talk of their lovely brand of football, kick-passing etc. They tend to forget that their greatest days were reached on the shoulders of the dog-tough Noel Tierney, Mattie Mac, Johneen & Pat Donnellan etc.
Re: Kerry starting team, FF line looks very good but the HF line looks ordinary enough. Ml Geaney is just poor and Donnacha Walsh is a long time on the go now. If they have no better, then their bench can't be as good as they may let on. Fionn Fitzgerald could be targeted for pace also. Still take a major leap of faith to see Galway pulling it off tho'.
Quote from: mrhardyannual on July 28, 2017, 11:12:25 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 28, 2017, 10:57:56 PM
Lads, Galway (and Mayo for that fact) have a sh1te record against the Kingdom. Sh1te! Kerry love playing both because both make an effort at playing open football and Kerry say thank you very much and win! Looking back at the romance of beating them in the 60's is the the same as Mayo lads looking back to '51!
It is over 50 years since Galway beat Kerry! It as much ancient history as Mayo last AI win! Of course Galway are always thanked for giving Kerry a nice game by the media every couple of years. Spillane loves ye! Probably because ye are as harmless as Mayo! Feck the 2008 game - ye lost! Do you think Kerry would talk in awe of a great game in 2008 if they lost?
I have to agree Bunker. Galway, like Mayo get pulled in by the talk of their lovely brand of football, kick-passing etc. They tend to forget that their greatest days were reached on the shoulders of the dog-tough Noel Tierney, Mattie Mac, Johneen & Pat Donnellan etc.
Mayo don't have a lovely brand of football. Handball, maybe.
Quote from: Syferus on July 28, 2017, 11:14:54 PM
Quote from: mrhardyannual on July 28, 2017, 11:12:25 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 28, 2017, 10:57:56 PM
Lads, Galway (and Mayo for that fact) have a sh1te record against the Kingdom. Sh1te! Kerry love playing both because both make an effort at playing open football and Kerry say thank you very much and win! Looking back at the romance of beating them in the 60's is the the same as Mayo lads looking back to '51!
It is over 50 years since Galway beat Kerry! It as much ancient history as Mayo last AI win! Of course Galway are always thanked for giving Kerry a nice game by the media every couple of years. Spillane loves ye! Probably because ye are as harmless as Mayo! Feck the 2008 game - ye lost! Do you think Kerry would talk in awe of a great game in 2008 if they lost?
I have to agree Bunker. Galway, like Mayo get pulled in by the talk of their lovely brand of football, kick-passing etc. They tend to forget that their greatest days were reached on the shoulders of the dog-tough Noel Tierney, Mattie Mac, Johneen & Pat Donnellan etc.
Mayo don't have a lovely brand of football. Handball, maybe.
Was more talking about the 2004-06 era.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 28, 2017, 11:18:40 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 28, 2017, 11:14:54 PM
Quote from: mrhardyannual on July 28, 2017, 11:12:25 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 28, 2017, 10:57:56 PM
Lads, Galway (and Mayo for that fact) have a sh1te record against the Kingdom. Sh1te! Kerry love playing both because both make an effort at playing open football and Kerry say thank you very much and win! Looking back at the romance of beating them in the 60's is the the same as Mayo lads looking back to '51!
It is over 50 years since Galway beat Kerry! It as much ancient history as Mayo last AI win! Of course Galway are always thanked for giving Kerry a nice game by the media every couple of years. Spillane loves ye! Probably because ye are as harmless as Mayo! Feck the 2008 game - ye lost! Do you think Kerry would talk in awe of a great game in 2008 if they lost?
I have to agree Bunker. Galway, like Mayo get pulled in by the talk of their lovely brand of football, kick-passing etc. They tend to forget that their greatest days were reached on the shoulders of the dog-tough Noel Tierney, Mattie Mac, Johneen & Pat Donnellan etc.
Mayo don't have a lovely brand of football. Handball, maybe.
Was more talking about the 2004-06 era.
Fair enough
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 28, 2017, 10:57:56 PM
Lads, Galway (and Mayo for that fact) have a sh1te record against the Kingdom. Sh1te! Kerry love playing both because both make an effort at playing open football and Kerry say thank you very much and win! Looking back at the romance of beating them in the 60's is the the same as Mayo lads looking back to '51!
It is over 50 years since Galway beat Kerry! It as much ancient history as Mayo last AI win! Of course Galway are always thanked for giving Kerry a nice game by the media every couple of years. Spillane loves ye! Probably because ye are as harmless as Mayo! Feck the 2008 game - ye lost! Do you think Kerry would talk in awe of a great game in 2008 if they lost?
Christ almighty, have you read any of the rest of this thread? We're on about the 60's because that's how far back the Kerry lads are having to go for the plamas because of the horrific record Galway have against them. I literally posted on here the other day that Kerry love playing Galway because they always win.
The only one going on about the 3 in a row and 2008 as if it matters a jot is the Bomber.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 28, 2017, 11:32:44 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 28, 2017, 10:57:56 PM
Lads, Galway (and Mayo for that fact) have a sh1te record against the Kingdom. Sh1te! Kerry love playing both because both make an effort at playing open football and Kerry say thank you very much and win! Looking back at the romance of beating them in the 60's is the the same as Mayo lads looking back to '51!
It is over 50 years since Galway beat Kerry! It as much ancient history as Mayo last AI win! Of course Galway are always thanked for giving Kerry a nice game by the media every couple of years. Spillane loves ye! Probably because ye are as harmless as Mayo! Feck the 2008 game - ye lost! Do you think Kerry would talk in awe of a great game in 2008 if they lost?
Christ almighty, have you read any of the rest of this thread? We're on about the 60's because that's how far back the Kerry lads are having to go for the plamas because of the horrific record Galway have against them. I literally posted on here the other day that Kerry love playing Galway because they always win.
The only one going on about the 3 in a row and 2008 as if it matters a jot is the Bomber.
Good!
Galway too defensively set up and I don't think that will work, if you have forwards you should trust yourself more. Ref is already ruining the game by not using the advantage rule and blowing for nothing frees.
Game over early enough :(
Ciarrai cúl. Sin é.
Donaghy with both hands around Galway player's throat, and gets away with it again.
Coldrick not having a great one, again.
Galway can possibly win this if they show a bit of faith in themselves. They have the forwards to compete in a shootout so they should go for it. Kerry a joy to watch at times.
Quote from: clarshack on July 30, 2017, 02:19:28 PM
Donaghy with both hands around Galway player's throat, and gets away with it again.
He caught a great ball and then got battered by 3 defenders. Free out ?
Shane Walsh a bit of a bottle job today. Very surprised, I thought he was the real deal. Maybe a handy point from play will get him going..
Galway can't afford to miss easy frees like that.
Geaney is the real deal. Some footballer.
If that's not a black card I don't know what is. Unbelievable
Enright with a late hit. Gets away with it as well.
Coldrick giving Kerry another 40 secs over the 3 mins of injury time to get another score. Joke.
Quote from: Itchy on July 30, 2017, 02:35:46 PM
If that's not a black card I don't know what is. Unbelievable
Joke decision.
Walsh is really shitting the bed here. Tack on that point with all the momentum and they go in three behind. Play an atrocious ball and they go in down by five.
Nonsense, do people not understand the rules? There was injury breaks in the additional 3 so the extra 40 seconds was justified.
Quote from: Zulu on July 30, 2017, 02:43:04 PM
Nonsense, do people not understand the rules? There was injury breaks in the additional 3 so the extra 40 seconds was justified.
Thats a stretch
Quote from: clarshack on July 30, 2017, 02:19:28 PM
Donaghy with both hands around Galway player's throat, and gets away with it again.
Different rules for Kerry players. You can guarantee Spillane won't mention it!!!
Quote from: Itchy on July 30, 2017, 02:35:46 PM
If that's not a black card I don't know what is. Unbelievable
Wouldn't have given a black either, he went to meet him and in a split second Heaney had the ball transferred, Kerry man could do little by then. We don't want all physicality removed altogether.
Quote from: Itchy on July 30, 2017, 02:35:46 PM
If that's not a black card I don't know what is. Unbelievable
Yeah - yellow is just a cop out. same as the yellow that the Kildare goalie got yesterday. Both clear cut.
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Quote from: Zulu on July 30, 2017, 02:43:04 PM
Nonsense, do people not understand the rules? There was injury breaks in the additional 3 so the extra 40 seconds was justified.
Thats a stretch
What do you mean?
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Quote from: Zulu on July 30, 2017, 02:43:04 PM
Nonsense, do people not understand the rules? There was injury breaks in the additional 3 so the extra 40 seconds was justified.
Thats a stretch
What do you mean?
I mean its a stretch to find the extra 40 seconds you're looking for
Galway forwards showing that if Galway go more conventional they still have a chance but the way they are set up they need Kerry to be profligate and Galway highly efficient with every chance.
Quote from: Zulu on July 30, 2017, 02:45:46 PM
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If that's not a black card I don't know what is. Unbelievable
Wouldn't have given a black either, he went to meet him and in a split second Heaney had the ball transferred, Kerry man could do little by then. We don't want all physicality removed altogether.
"Deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of a movement of play." Black for me anyway.
Didn't think it was a black either to be honest, slow motion replay hardly shows the speed the 2 players were going at, as for Donaghy he scored a point then got accosted by Galway players
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Quote from: Zulu on July 30, 2017, 02:43:04 PM
Nonsense, do people not understand the rules? There was injury breaks in the additional 3 so the extra 40 seconds was justified.
Thats a stretch
What do you mean?
I mean its a stretch to find the extra 40 seconds you're looking for
I didn't time it but the injury to Crowley was a 30 second break anyway I'd say. It's nonsense to claim the ref was looking to get Kerry a score.
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If that's not a black card I don't know what is. Unbelievable
Wouldn't have given a black either, he went to meet him and in a split second Heaney had the ball transferred, Kerry man could do little by then. We don't want all physicality removed altogether.
"Deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of a movement of play." Black for me anyway.
It has to be a move towards the player out of your own natural line, i.e the defender would have to move left or right for it to be a black. The only reason it might have been a black is because he turned his shoulder. Enright would have actually have had to dive out of the way for a collision not to have happened. No way is it a black.
Feels like our forwards have the beating of the Kerry defenders almost to a man. I don't think they are going to get enough ball though. We've also missed 2-2 in good chances. Need to take all those to beat Kerry.
Full-back line as expected is a disaster zone although it's Donaghy causing most of the mayhem rather than Geaney and O'Donoghue.
Enright shoulder was actually pretty dangerous. Followed through with the shoulder into the chest.
Quote from: dublin7 on July 30, 2017, 02:45:04 PM
Quote from: clarshack on July 30, 2017, 02:19:28 PM
Donaghy with both hands around Galway player's throat, and gets away with it again.
Different rules for Kerry players. You can guarantee Spillane won't mention it!!!
Donaghy gets away with an awful lot. Causing havoc for galway here tho
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Quote from: clarshack on July 30, 2017, 02:19:28 PM
Donaghy with both hands around Galway player's throat, and gets away with it again.
Different rules for Kerry players. You can guarantee Spillane won't mention it!!!
Will you stop f**king whinging you utter arse .
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 30, 2017, 02:54:33 PM
Feels like our forwards have the beating of the Kerry defenders almost to a man. I don't think they are going to get enough ball though. We've also missed 2-2 in good chances. Need to take all those to beat Kerry.
Full-back line as expected is a disaster zone although it's Donaghy causing most of the mayhem rather than Geaney and O'Donoghue.
Enright shoulder was actually pretty dangerous. Followed through with the shoulder into the chest.
Galway need to show a bit of courage and back themselves. Play one sweeper to protect the fullback line but go for it with 5 forwards as they can win a shootout but they'll end up 4-6 point losers if they stay with their current strategy.
Quote from: clarshack on July 30, 2017, 02:40:55 PM
Coldrick giving Kerry another 40 secs over the 3 mins of injury time to get another score. Joke.
Play was stopped for exactly 1 minute from 35:51 to 36:51 for treatment to Peter Crowley, but don't let facts get in the way of a good rant. ;)
Galway need to be much more clinical in front of the posts -- they are carving out the chances.
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Quote from: clarshack on July 30, 2017, 02:19:28 PM
Donaghy with both hands around Galway player's throat, and gets away with it again.
Different rules for Kerry players. You can guarantee Spillane won't mention it!!!
Will you stop f**king whinging you utter arse .
Your'e absolutely right and I'm wrong. It is perfectly acceptable to grab someone by the throat and choke him. Galway player should have apologised to Donaghy for his actions
Hmmm, foul for penalty after advantage was given??
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 30, 2017, 03:05:19 PM
Hmmm, foul for penalty after advantage was given??
Whistle was blown for the free.
Galway are kicking themselves out of this.
Even though Cork were awful against Kerry they created several goal chances. Kerry's defence is awful and Galway are creating so many goal chances as well but they haven't taken any of them. Kerry are there to be taken but Galway kicking it away
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Quote from: BennyHarp on July 30, 2017, 03:05:19 PM
Hmmm, foul for penalty after advantage was given??
Whistle was blown for the free.
Aye but why not advantage? Kerry wide open when you run at them.
Galway can win this if they have a bit of faith in themselves and go for it. Doing that a bit more now to be fair.
Quote from: dublin7 on July 30, 2017, 03:09:17 PM
Even though Cork were awful against Kerry they created several goal chances. Kerry's defence is awful and Galway are creating so many goal chances as well but they haven't taken any of them. Kerry are there to be taken but Galway kicking it away
its been a real poor and scrappy 2nd half so far
Conroy for galway doesn't look fit at all. Expected more from him.
Left so many scores behind us.
Quote from: Zulu on July 30, 2017, 02:45:46 PM
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If that's not a black card I don't know what is. Unbelievable
Wouldn't have given a black either, he went to meet him and in a split second Heaney had the ball transferred, Kerry man could do little by then. We don't want all physicality removed altogether.
That's the problem with the black in that a cast iron one like that is still debated. Ball was gone and there was deliberate contact.
What a shame Galway are so wasteful as Kerry are there for the taking today.
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If that's not a black card I don't know what is. Unbelievable
Wouldn't have given a black either, he went to meet him and in a split second Heaney had the ball transferred, Kerry man could do little by then. We don't want all physicality removed altogether.
That's the problem with the black in that a cast iron one like that is still debated. Ball was gone and there was deliberate contact.
What a shame Galway are so wasteful as Kerry are there for the taking today.
It's not a black, it's a yellow.
Galway will regret they didn't back themselves as they could have won and we could have had a great game to watch. Neither will happen now.
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If that's not a black card I don't know what is. Unbelievable
Wouldn't have given a black either, he went to meet him and in a split second Heaney had the ball transferred, Kerry man could do little by then. We don't want all physicality removed altogether.
That's the problem with the black in that a cast iron one like that is still debated. Ball was gone and there was deliberate contact.
What a shame Galway are so wasteful as Kerry are there for the taking today.
It's not a black, it's a yellow.
Zulu
Rule says "Deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of a movement of play."
Ball was played away, contact was deliberate.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 30, 2017, 03:16:21 PM
Left so many scores behind us.
Galway don't have the experience at the business end of the championship. It takes time.
Mol an oige agus tiocfaidh si.
A fairly good season apart from.the brain fart in the Connacht final.
Galway could never have won this game, Kerry keeping ahead of them playing in 2nd gear, havent seen a footballer gone has far back as J O`D, G what happened him
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If that's not a black card I don't know what is. Unbelievable
Wouldn't have given a black either, he went to meet him and in a split second Heaney had the ball transferred, Kerry man could do little by then. We don't want all physicality removed altogether.
That's the problem with the black in that a cast iron one like that is still debated. Ball was gone and there was deliberate contact.
What a shame Galway are so wasteful as Kerry are there for the taking today.
It's not a black, it's a yellow.
Zulu
Rule says "Deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of a movement of play."
Ball was played away, contact was deliberate.
He went t meet a guy in possession and had no opportunity to get out of his way so it's a yellow. If that's a black then every defender who collides with a player who passes over his head should be off even if it's impossible for them not to collide unless they dive out of they way as if a car was driving at them. Turning the shoulder makes it a yellow for me, if he didn't do that then it was nothing.
We needed the oxygen of a couple of goals from the 5 chances we had. Goals change games as they say. Our free taking was awful as well. Probably missed 0-3 in fairly straightforward frees. Missed chances suck the life out of a team.
Galway never believed they could get near Kerry today. If I was a Galway fan, I'd want my money back after this half-arsed display.
Galway created enough opportunities in that game to have actually won it, but profligacy in front of the posts did for them in the end. Not an All-Ireland winning performance from the Kingdom, but they wll improve.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 30, 2017, 03:34:23 PM
Galway could never have won this game, Kerry keeping ahead of them playing in 2nd gear, havent seen a footballer gone has far back as J O`D, G what happened him
Don't agree. Galway could have won if they went at it from the start. They had the forwards to put up the score but instead they set up too defensively so couldn't expose the advantages they enjoyed against the Kerry backs. Blanket defences won't beat the Kerry's or Dublin's anymore as they'll play through it and leave enough back to deal with any counter attacks. For a blanket defence set up to win they'd need to be exceptional on the break.
Really don't think galway ever looked remotely like winning that. If they got a goal kerry would likely have got more goals.
Galway very disappointing. No good defensive plan and lacking a full back. Midfield not fantastic. They also don't seem to know how to get the best out of comer and walsh.
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If that's not a black card I don't know what is. Unbelievable
Wouldn't have given a black either, he went to meet him and in a split second Heaney had the ball transferred, Kerry man could do little by then. We don't want all physicality removed altogether.
That's the problem with the black in that a cast iron one like that is still debated. Ball was gone and there was deliberate contact.
What a shame Galway are so wasteful as Kerry are there for the taking today.
It's not a black, it's a yellow.
Zulu
Rule says "Deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of a movement of play."
Ball was played away, contact was deliberate.
He went t meet a guy in possession and had no opportunity to get out of his way so it's a yellow. If that's a black then every defender who collides with a player who passes over his head should be off even if it's impossible for them not to collide unless they dive out of they way as if a car was driving at them. Turning the shoulder makes it a yellow for me, if he didn't do that then it was nothing.
We will have to agree to disagree! I would say your interpretation is based on what you think the rule should be, mine is based on what the rule actually says.
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If that's not a black card I don't know what is. Unbelievable
Wouldn't have given a black either, he went to meet him and in a split second Heaney had the ball transferred, Kerry man could do little by then. We don't want all physicality removed altogether.
That's the problem with the black in that a cast iron one like that is still debated. Ball was gone and there was deliberate contact.
What a shame Galway are so wasteful as Kerry are there for the taking today.
It's not a black, it's a yellow.
Zulu
Rule says "Deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of a movement of play."
Ball was played away, contact was deliberate.
He went t meet a guy in possession and had no opportunity to get out of his way so it's a yellow. If that's a black then every defender who collides with a player who passes over his head should be off even if it's impossible for them not to collide unless they dive out of they way as if a car was driving at them. Turning the shoulder makes it a yellow for me, if he didn't do that then it was nothing.
We will have to agree to disagree! I would say your interpretation is based on what you think the rule should be, mine is based on what the rule actually says.
No, the disagreement from what I can see is rather straightforward. Whether it was deliberate or not. And that is a huge problem with the black card rule. It is quite often very hard to know if the foul was deliberate.
Galway had the chances to make it very close or even win that. But they never believed in themselves at any stage. That was the difference.
If Galway did not play defensive , yes they may have scored more, but so too would have Kerry
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If that's not a black card I don't know what is. Unbelievable
Wouldn't have given a black either, he went to meet him and in a split second Heaney had the ball transferred, Kerry man could do little by then. We don't want all physicality removed altogether.
That's the problem with the black in that a cast iron one like that is still debated. Ball was gone and there was deliberate contact.
What a shame Galway are so wasteful as Kerry are there for the taking today.
It's not a black, it's a yellow.
Zulu
Rule says "Deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of a movement of play."
Ball was played away, contact was deliberate.
It happened in seconds he deliberately fouled him with the shoulder to chest but could not get out of his way... yellow possibly red if shoulder was higher on opponent
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If that's not a black card I don't know what is. Unbelievable
Wouldn't have given a black either, he went to meet him and in a split second Heaney had the ball transferred, Kerry man could do little by then. We don't want all physicality removed altogether.
That's the problem with the black in that a cast iron one like that is still debated. Ball was gone and there was deliberate contact.
What a shame Galway are so wasteful as Kerry are there for the taking today.
It's not a black, it's a yellow.
Zulu
Rule says "Deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of a movement of play."
Ball was played away, contact was deliberate.
He went t meet a guy in possession and had no opportunity to get out of his way so it's a yellow. If that's a black then every defender who collides with a player who passes over his head should be off even if it's impossible for them not to collide unless they dive out of they way as if a car was driving at them. Turning the shoulder makes it a yellow for me, if he didn't do that then it was nothing.
Good point, if he has time to turn his shoulder, he has time to make an effort to avoid contact, so black card for me.
34 scoring chances for Galway. Took 13.
Won't beat many good teams with numbers like that.
Whats the attitude in Kerry to all there county players not being involved with their clubs? Are solid clubmen not a bit narked?
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If that's not a black card I don't know what is. Unbelievable
Wouldn't have given a black either, he went to meet him and in a split second Heaney had the ball transferred, Kerry man could do little by then. We don't want all physicality removed altogether.
That's the problem with the black in that a cast iron one like that is still debated. Ball was gone and there was deliberate contact.
What a shame Galway are so wasteful as Kerry are there for the taking today.
It's not a black, it's a yellow.
Zulu
Rule says "Deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of a movement of play."
Ball was played away, contact was deliberate.
He went t meet a guy in possession and had no opportunity to get out of his way so it's a yellow. If that's a black then every defender who collides with a player who passes over his head should be off even if it's impossible for them not to collide unless they dive out of they way as if a car was driving at them. Turning the shoulder makes it a yellow for me, if he didn't do that then it was nothing.
Good point, if he has time to turn his shoulder, he has time to make an effort to avoid contact, so black card for me.
Lads, if you want a game where defenders have to make split decisions to jump out of the way to avoid collisions in a give and go scenario then you want football to be played like netball. If this was hurling there'd be nobody even talking about yellow's yet for some reason we seem to be mad to have lads carded in football and then complain that the 'suits' are taking the physicality out of football. It's a physical game lets try to keep it that way.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 30, 2017, 04:17:22 PM
34 scoring chances for Galway. Took 13.
Won't beat many good teams with numbers like that.
Dara Ó Sé in the Irish Times
"When it comes to the white heat of the championship, keeping cool under extreme pressure and taking the right option becomes a rare skill. Only a select few possess that."
Galway players have to learn.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 30, 2017, 03:34:23 PM
Galway could never have won this game, Kerry keeping ahead of them playing in 2nd gear, havent seen a footballer gone has far back as J O`D, G what happened him
James O'Donoghue was unable to train all week due to injury, many were surprised that he started. He was man of the match V Cork and possibly Clare also and looked back to his best. Playing today must be a sign that he is over his injury and needs game time.
I don't want to be too harsh but there was a real lack of composure and belief out there today, Kerry had the handbrake on and still won at a canter. No shame in losing if playing to the best of ability but that wasn't near good enough to be competitive from Galway today.
Some curious substitutions also I thought.
Kieran Donaghy is thee most exciting and entertaining player in our game
The hum of excitment when a high ball is headed his way is fantastic
He was absolutly unplayable today....the game was won by him in the 1st 20 mins...all the shite about Kerry being poor thereafter was just that, shite. They couldve kept him at FF and JOD on and won by as much as they wanted
Gold, agreed. Donaghy makes it look so easy at times. And makes football look such a simple game.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 30, 2017, 08:44:33 PM
I don't want to be too harsh but there was a real lack of composure and belief out there today, Kerry had the handbrake on and still won at a canter. No shame in losing if playing to the best of ability but that wasn't near good enough to be competitive from Galway today.
Some curious substitutions also I thought.
Think managers overthink it sometimes. Walsh took off Bradshaw and Daly who were two of Galway's better players on the day. Left on others who were almost anonymous.
Anyone who thinks Star is the most entertaining player in the game is fooling themselves.
Such a limited footballer. Today's misadventures say more about Galway than it does about Star, to be honest.
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Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 30, 2017, 08:44:33 PM
I don't want to be too harsh but there was a real lack of composure and belief out there today, Kerry had the handbrake on and still won at a canter. No shame in losing if playing to the best of ability but that wasn't near good enough to be competitive from Galway today.
Some curious substitutions also I thought.
Think managers overthink it sometimes. Walsh took off Bradshaw and Daly who were two of Galway's better players on the day. Left on others who were almost anonymous.
To be fair to Walsh the game was over when he made most of the Substitutions and I think it was a case of getting some of the lesser lights game time in Croke Park.
Is there any of the minor 3 in a row team on this Kerry panel, question exist over a fair few of the Kerry backs, i thought 1 or 2 defenders from that team would be at least on the panel??
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 30, 2017, 08:44:33 PM
I don't want to be too harsh but there was a real lack of composure and belief out there today, Kerry had the handbrake on and still won at a canter. No shame in losing if playing to the best of ability but that wasn't near good enough to be competitive from Galway today.
Some curious substitutions also I thought.
Whatever about taking off Bradshaw, he was out on his feet, taking off Daly was a crazy decision. We were very wasteful today, 4 or 5 goal chances missed, wrong options taken, passes going astray. Looking back on the year, promotion to Div 1 and winning Div 2 along with a 2 wins over Mayo and Donegal makes it look like a decent year overall but the same problems are there, too loose at the back, defence all over the place and this horrible game plan doesn't let our forwards play the way we know they can. Realistically next year the only change we're going to see is Sean Andy at no. 3.
On a side note, Ian Burke is a joy to watch, his movement and scoring is brilliant.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 30, 2017, 08:44:33 PM
I don't want to be too harsh but there was a real lack of composure and belief out there today, Kerry had the handbrake on and still won at a canter. No shame in losing if playing to the best of ability but that wasn't near good enough to be competitive from Galway today.
Some curious substitutions also I thought.
There was a real lack of everything you are supposed to get in an AIQF! Let's be honest here, it was a terrible performance that more resembled an NFL game in March! Nothing worse that going to CP and not giving it your all, if it's not good enough then so be it, but today was a meek insipid performance. It hard not to be totally frustrated with what has been served up by that group on a couple of occasions this Summer.
they stopped kicking the ball in as they had the game won
Galway kicked away 4 goal chances
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Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 30, 2017, 08:44:33 PM
I don't want to be too harsh but there was a real lack of composure and belief out there today, Kerry had the handbrake on and still won at a canter. No shame in losing if playing to the best of ability but that wasn't near good enough to be competitive from Galway today.
Some curious substitutions also I thought.
On a side note, Ian Burke is a joy to watch, his movement and scoring is brilliant.
Yeah one of the plus points from the last two games is that we now know Ian Burke is an intercounty forward. I had my doubts due to his size but his movement is really superb. Even though he's not particularly quick his movement always buys him time and space.
Our midfield is still too watery and inconsistent for my liking. Follow one good game with a bad game. Conroy had a stormer against Donegal but completely anonymous today.
Full-back line is an old story at this stage. Probably the smallest full-back line in the country. Sean Andy will help as he has size, strength and pace but he's still in for a steep learning curve next year. Two new corner backs required from somewhere although Kerin has something to offer I feel.
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Quote from: Duine Eile on July 30, 2017, 11:11:23 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 30, 2017, 08:44:33 PM
I don't want to be too harsh but there was a real lack of composure and belief out there today, Kerry had the handbrake on and still won at a canter. No shame in losing if playing to the best of ability but that wasn't near good enough to be competitive from Galway today.
Some curious substitutions also I thought.
On a side note, Ian Burke is a joy to watch, his movement and scoring is brilliant.
Yeah one of the plus points from the last two games is that we now know Ian Burke is an intercounty forward. I had my doubts due to his size but his movement is really superb. Even though he's not particularly quick his movement always buys him time and space.
One of the many questions for the management, why wasn't he playing against Mayo and Roscommon?
Because of the Quality of the opposition. Todays defeat holds less embarrassment compared to losing to Tipp last year. But it still was a comprehensive defeat and had the same traits of lasy years Quarter Final. Kerry held Galway at arms length for all of the game. I found today's plámásing from Dessie Dolan on Co-commentary cringe worthy. Talking about Armstrong and the Terrible Twin reference and looking for Michael Meehan to come on! Going on about a loss to Kerry in 2008 as if it was a badge of honour. Today marked another consecutive loss in Croke Park in the Championship for Galway. Division One football will bring this group on and Galway have the players. They just need consistency in results. They should take over in time from Mayo's recent dominance in the Province. Roscommon will be decent but will always lack the strength in dept of their neighbours.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 30, 2017, 11:39:07 PM
Division One football will bring this group on and Galway have the players. They just need consistency in results.
Not if we don't sort out that back line and develop a competitive midfield, Conroy and Flynn were excellent last week but virtually anonymous today, Flynn especially.
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Quote from: From the Bunker on July 30, 2017, 11:39:07 PM
Division One football will bring this group on and Galway have the players. They just need consistency in results.
Not if we don't sort out that back line and develop a competitive midfield, Conroy and Flynn were excellent last week but virtually anonymous today, Flynn especially.
Division One Football will force Galway to sort this out! Division Two allows you to coast over these problems!
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 30, 2017, 11:56:50 PM
Quote from: Duine Eile on July 30, 2017, 11:54:23 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 30, 2017, 11:39:07 PM
Division One football will bring this group on and Galway have the players. They just need consistency in results.
Not if we don't sort out that back line and develop a competitive midfield, Conroy and Flynn were excellent last week but virtually anonymous today, Flynn especially.
Division One Football will force Galway to sort this out! Division Two allows you to coast over these problems!
We got relegated from Division 1 because we've had defensive issues for years, it's not news to anyone but still it's not being sorted out. Sean Andy and Sean Mulkerrins from the minors look like good prospects but realistically we still don't know if they'll cut it at senior level. Bad sign when the most impressive full back on the club scene is Kieran Fitzgerald :(
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on July 30, 2017, 11:18:28 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 30, 2017, 08:44:33 PM
I don't want to be too harsh but there was a real lack of composure and belief out there today, Kerry had the handbrake on and still won at a canter. No shame in losing if playing to the best of ability but that wasn't near good enough to be competitive from Galway today.
Some curious substitutions also I thought.
There was a real lack of everything you are supposed to get in an AIQF! Let's be honest here, it was a terrible performance that more resembled an NFL game in March! Nothing worse that going to CP and not giving it your all, if it's not good enough then so be it, but today was a meek insipid performance. It hard not to be totally frustrated with what has been served up by that group on a couple of occasions this Summer.
Unfortunately I'd have to entirely agree, they didn't die with their boots on, the first 5 minutes of the second game saw more intensity than the Galway performance.
Frustrating is definitely the word, in the cold light of day the question remains as to whether the players are there to compete at this level but even some of the lads that are supposedly the players to build a team around didn't put the hand up. Kerry would probably always have won but there's ways and means to lose.
It's not nice to knock players when they are down but that was really poor yesterday, it's crazy that Ian Burke in his 2nd match and, at times, a young lad in Daly were the pick of the players, Shane Walsh had a nightmare, midfield were well beaten.
Plenty of questions around the management as well given how the summer has panned out, Galway have got beat out the gate when exiting the championship every single year under the current regime.
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Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on July 30, 2017, 11:18:28 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 30, 2017, 08:44:33 PM
I don't want to be too harsh but there was a real lack of composure and belief out there today, Kerry had the handbrake on and still won at a canter. No shame in losing if playing to the best of ability but that wasn't near good enough to be competitive from Galway today.
Some curious substitutions also I thought.
There was a real lack of everything you are supposed to get in an AIQF! Let's be honest here, it was a terrible performance that more resembled an NFL game in March! Nothing worse that going to CP and not giving it your all, if it's not good enough then so be it, but today was a meek insipid performance. It hard not to be totally frustrated with what has been served up by that group on a couple of occasions this Summer.
Unfortunately I'd have to entirely agree, they didn't die with their boots on, the first 5 minutes of the second game saw more intensity than the Galway performance.
Frustrating is definitely the word, in the cold light of day the question remains as to whether the players are there to compete at this level but even some of the lads that are supposedly the players to build a team around didn't put the hand up. Kerry would probably always have won but there's ways and means to lose.
It's not nice to knock players when they are down but that was really poor yesterday, it's crazy that Ian Burke in his 2nd match and, at times, a young lad in Daly were the pick of the players, Shane Walsh had a nightmare, midfield were well beaten.
Plenty of questions around the management as well given how the summer has panned out, Galway have got beat out the gate when exiting the championship every single year under the current regime.
Think Galway's more senior and experienced players have gone as far as they're going to. Yesterday, finally, after 3 years into KW's tenure, was the time to really stand up , to show they've arrived, or at least they're going places as a team. Instead they sank without barely a wave. Midfield anonymous, FB line, (bar the quite good Kerin) roasted, HB line porous where GOD spend the day chasing shadows. It wasn't a lack of experience that held them back - perhaps our best player was our least experienced, and a number of the older players have won AIs in Croke Park.
Just not good enough to go to the next level. KW needs to review his stint and look at why it's not working out. Sadly I think he needs a mirror.
Quote from: mouview on July 31, 2017, 01:27:15 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 31, 2017, 10:25:32 AM
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on July 30, 2017, 11:18:28 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 30, 2017, 08:44:33 PM
I don't want to be too harsh but there was a real lack of composure and belief out there today, Kerry had the handbrake on and still won at a canter. No shame in losing if playing to the best of ability but that wasn't near good enough to be competitive from Galway today.
Some curious substitutions also I thought.
There was a real lack of everything you are supposed to get in an AIQF! Let's be honest here, it was a terrible performance that more resembled an NFL game in March! Nothing worse that going to CP and not giving it your all, if it's not good enough then so be it, but today was a meek insipid performance. It hard not to be totally frustrated with what has been served up by that group on a couple of occasions this Summer.
Unfortunately I'd have to entirely agree, they didn't die with their boots on, the first 5 minutes of the second game saw more intensity than the Galway performance.
Frustrating is definitely the word, in the cold light of day the question remains as to whether the players are there to compete at this level but even some of the lads that are supposedly the players to build a team around didn't put the hand up. Kerry would probably always have won but there's ways and means to lose.
It's not nice to knock players when they are down but that was really poor yesterday, it's crazy that Ian Burke in his 2nd match and, at times, a young lad in Daly were the pick of the players, Shane Walsh had a nightmare, midfield were well beaten.
Plenty of questions around the management as well given how the summer has panned out, Galway have got beat out the gate when exiting the championship every single year under the current regime.
Think Galway's more senior and experienced players have gone as far as they're going to. Yesterday, finally, after 3 years into KW's tenure, was the time to really stand up , to show they've arrived, or at least they're going places as a team. Instead they sank without barely a wave. Midfield anonymous, FB line, (bar the quite good Kerin) roasted, HB line porous where GOD spend the day chasing shadows. It wasn't a lack of experience that held them back - perhaps our best player was our least experienced, and a number of the older players have won AIs in Croke Park.
Probably our two best players were Burke and Daly who have I think 5 championship starts between them. Our two least experienced players at intercounty level were our best ones. A damning indictment of some of the others.
All that said it is a squad not short on talent and more coming through underneath but they certainly have to find something extra to take them to the next level whether that is with new players or new management.
The league will be interesting next year. Do they go all out early to stay up or try and taper it so they are competitive in the league but have something left in the tank for the Summer.
While Burke had a very good game, I think Fionn Fitzgerald is only a very average man-marker and I thought he was haunted not to be subbed off.
I would be very surprised if he starts for Kerry the next day.
Also I think people are being a bit harsh on Galway - Kerry in recent years are past masters at making the quarter-finals they play in non-events.
Last year it was Clare by 12 points, the year previous it was Kildare by 27, the previous year it was Galway by 7, before that Cavan by 6 points.
The battering of a non-existent Donegal was probably the worst possible last match to be coming in from. When a team mauls an opposition like Galway did to Donegal, every player tends to remember what went well for them as opposed to what they did poorly and take little to no account into how horrendous the opposition were.
However I would agree that KW is under serious pressure - just letting Kerry take the short kickouts uncontested in the first half sends out a terrible message. Gave them a massive platform to build their attacks.
I think Galway's problem is that they still haven't grasped that relying on your attack alone won't win you much in the way of silverware - you have to have some notion of how to defend as a team - the Galway full-forwards have to grasp the notion that they are the first line of defence and the half-forwards have to grasp the notion that they are the 2nd line of defence. As it is it looks like the attitude of the team is that defending is something for the full-back line and the goal-keeper to be concerned about, and even some of them seem to be only half bothered about the defending gig - I'd say if you were a Galway supporter looking at footage of Galway games and counted the number of times Kyne decided to pelt away up the field when it was the wrong option, you'd be reaching for the brandy and the service revolver before long.
Shane Walsh looked to have a shoulder injury when coming off yesterday, did he carry that injury into the game with him?
Quote from: mouview on July 31, 2017, 01:27:15 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 31, 2017, 10:25:32 AM
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on July 30, 2017, 11:18:28 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 30, 2017, 08:44:33 PM
I don't want to be too harsh but there was a real lack of composure and belief out there today, Kerry had the handbrake on and still won at a canter. No shame in losing if playing to the best of ability but that wasn't near good enough to be competitive from Galway today.
Some curious substitutions also I thought.
There was a real lack of everything you are supposed to get in an AIQF! Let's be honest here, it was a terrible performance that more resembled an NFL game in March! Nothing worse that going to CP and not giving it your all, if it's not good enough then so be it, but today was a meek insipid performance. It hard not to be totally frustrated with what has been served up by that group on a couple of occasions this Summer.
Unfortunately I'd have to entirely agree, they didn't die with their boots on, the first 5 minutes of the second game saw more intensity than the Galway performance.
Frustrating is definitely the word, in the cold light of day the question remains as to whether the players are there to compete at this level but even some of the lads that are supposedly the players to build a team around didn't put the hand up. Kerry would probably always have won but there's ways and means to lose.
It's not nice to knock players when they are down but that was really poor yesterday, it's crazy that Ian Burke in his 2nd match and, at times, a young lad in Daly were the pick of the players, Shane Walsh had a nightmare, midfield were well beaten.
Plenty of questions around the management as well given how the summer has panned out, Galway have got beat out the gate when exiting the championship every single year under the current regime.
Think Galway's more senior and experienced players have gone as far as they're going to. Yesterday, finally, after 3 years into KW's tenure, was the time to really stand up , to show they've arrived, or at least they're going places as a team. Instead they sank without barely a wave. Midfield anonymous, FB line, (bar the quite good Kerin) roasted, HB line porous where GOD spend the day chasing shadows. It wasn't a lack of experience that held them back - perhaps our best player was our least experienced, and a number of the older players have won AIs in Croke Park.
Just not good enough to go to the next level. KW needs to review his stint and look at why it's not working out. Sadly I think he needs a mirror.
You wouldn't know,Mo.Back in 2011 a lot of the hurlers were deemed pure usheless after another mediocre year but 12 months later under a new manager they were a puck of the ball away from the all Ireland.
Quote from: seafoid on July 31, 2017, 05:20:42 PM
You wouldn't know,Mo.Back in 2011 a lot of the hurlers were deemed pure usheless after another mediocre year but 12 months later under a new manager they were a puck of the ball away from the all Ireland.
True, though the hurlers, even back then were largely competitive year-on-year, (bad in 2011 but only lost by 1 to eventual winners Tipp in 2010). Ironically, our hurlers were regularly castigated for being 'mentally weak' and 'having no backbone' while the footballers at the time got at easy run with pundits saying, for no apparent reason, that at 'least they had a bit of grit and steel'.
The truth is that our footballers have been mediocre for so long now, well before KW and Mullholland's stints, that we don't remember now how to be competitive or relevant anymore. And as I've already said, I can't see a new manager getting any more improvement out of our more senior and seasoned players, it has to come from themselves at this stage.
Quote from: mouview on August 01, 2017, 12:16:59 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 31, 2017, 05:20:42 PM
You wouldn't know,Mo.Back in 2011 a lot of the hurlers were deemed pure usheless after another mediocre year but 12 months later under a new manager they were a puck of the ball away from the all Ireland.
True, though the hurlers, even back then were largely competitive year-on-year, (bad in 2011 but only lost by 1 to eventual winners Tipp in 2010). Ironically, our hurlers were regularly castigated for being 'mentally weak' and 'having no backbone' while the footballers at the time got at easy run with pundits saying, for no apparent reason, that at 'least they had a bit of grit and steel'.
The truth is that our footballers have been mediocre for so long now, well before KW and Mullholland's stints, that we don't remember now how to be competitive or relevant anymore. And as I've already said, I can't see a new manager getting any more improvement out of our more senior and seasoned players, it has to come from themselves at this stage.
That is quite generous to the hurlers pre 2011 , Mo. They had no consistency. They threw in the towel too often .
I remember thinking during the McIntyre years that they never got the right experience.
The frustration is mostly encapsulated in the famous head gasket interview
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/vincent-hogan/vincent-hogan-have-galway-become-a-soft-touch-26743621.html
Gerry Mac was on up for the match in 2012
Gerry's wife Ita said with great solemnity that, 'we need a win... for the kids'.
Gerry was a bit more focused
"Never mind the kids, we need a victory for ourselves! Jaysus Chrisssssshhhtt!"
I think it is interesting to compare the hurlers and Mayo now. They both lost a final in 2012.
Mayo have 11 starters from 2011. Galway have far fewer. Skill levels are very high. They learnt from the various losses.
Non performers were dropped. It was Mol an óige.
Mayo are probably finished.
This is really only the first year the footballers were exposed to high level games. They have an àwful lot of work to do. But the hurlers could be a template.