Looking for a new role for the first time in 10 years.
So far my experience of recruiters has been horrific, no investment in you, poor communication and the feeling that you are literally just a piece of meat.
Would depress you...
A good rule of thumb is to avoid any that refer to themselves as talent acquisition specialists, LinkedIn is full of these charlatans.
Best of luck with the job hunting.
Def not just IT.
My OH is about to start a new job that was advertised through a recruiter. At the end of the process she was absolutely torturing him to make a decision, giving him deadlines etc, with no regard for the huge life-changing decision he was about to make.
Ps plenty of IT-based ops in my firm in a few locations around the country...I'll split the signing bonus with you :)
Quote from: The Subbie on July 07, 2017, 02:22:13 PM
A good rule of thumb is to avoid any that refer to themselves as talent acquisition specialists, LinkedIn is full of these charlatans.
Best of luck with the job hunting.
Ha! I am starting to learn that. I think I will need luck.
Quote from: Rois on July 07, 2017, 02:40:37 PM
Def not just IT.
My OH is about to start a new job that was advertised through a recruiter. At the end of the process she was absolutely torturing him to make a decision, giving him deadlines etc, with no regard for the huge life-changing decision he was about to make.
Ps plenty of IT-based ops in my firm in a few locations around the country...I'll split the signing bonus with you :)
If it was the right role you can keep it better you than some faceless recruiter :D
Don't be giving it to her, she'll only head off skiing in Saint Moritz or something! :)
Would you not just apply directly to a few companies who you know are decent?
IT recruiters are 'square peg in round hole merchants' who rely on throughput rather than good role fits.
Quote from: The Subbie on July 07, 2017, 02:22:13 PM
A good rule of thumb is to avoid any that refer to themselves as talent acquisition specialists, LinkedIn is full of these charlatans.
Best of luck with the job hunting.
Agree Linkedin is the laziest form of job recruitment, where most of these IT recruiters don't know the difference between an operating system or a fecking spreadsheet. They just send everything through to everyone in the hope someone will apply and they get their big commission.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on July 07, 2017, 03:04:40 PM
Would you not just apply directly to a few companies who you know are decent?
IT recruiters are 'square peg in round hole merchants' who rely on throughput rather than good role fits.
I have gone direct and sooner that but not every company advertises directly. What I do is quite specialised but I am also looking at a possible change in direction too. Just finding the recruitment process painful and can't get over how it's changed in 10 years.
I can't get over how many recruiters just spam messages on LinkedIn. What a crock of a profession.
Haven't been in the market recently but has anyone been told that if they need to have a linked in profile in order to apply for a job?
Can't stand that website.
Most of them are Parasites. They are right up there with estate agents as the lasiest pointless cnuts
Dinny - I have had the exact same experience recently but it looks like I've landed a job in exactly the area I want. I worked for the same company for 9 years and fell into a contract (which turned out to be excellent) for a year. I've found recruitment agencies, linkdin etc to be nothing short of soul destroying. My conclusion is that some agencies are better than others, some agents are better than others. You have to keep after them and if they're shit you'll soon realise. Lots of them don't actually have the roles they advertise - if they cannot send you a detailed job spec for that specific role then it's a waste of time. Do not let them "put your details forward" - they're just trying to get the rights to "you" if you eventually land a role. You'll be up on a meaningless database but not submitted for a particular role.
Good luck. What's for you won't pass you.
Im currently looking for an IT role in the north having just moved home from england. Using a couple of recruitment forms and it's obvious which ones know what they're talking about and who doesn't know their stuff at all
There are good recruiters and bad recruiters. Same as most professions. Try and find one where they'll discuss your career and what you want to do rather than shoehorn you in to a position that they have. A good recruiter will complete an interview and should be able to build a target list of organisations that fit. It also has to be mentioned that some candidates have unrealistic expections of what they want and can be ott demanding.
Yes I am a parasite recruiter.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 07, 2017, 02:59:24 PM
Don't be giving it to her, she'll only head off skiing in Saint Moritz or something! :)
Monaghan Town in the morning for a holiday ;D
Quote from: Rois on July 08, 2017, 01:01:42 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 07, 2017, 02:59:24 PM
Don't be giving it to her, she'll only head off skiing in Saint Moritz or something! :)
Monaghan Town in the morning for a holiday ;D
I'm homesick now :'( !
Have fun , loads of good places to eat and drink there!
The best Indian I've ever been to is at home in Monaghan !
You are better using contacts you have if you can. There are very few good ones out there up north anyway. They have little regard for the individual and are just interested in the money mostly. There will be exceptions. Companies have started to find they don't work and are moving to in house a lot too.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 08, 2017, 12:03:26 AM
There are good recruiters and bad recruiters. Same as most professions. Try and find one where they'll discuss your career and what you want to do rather than shoehorn you in to a position that they have. A good recruiter will complete an interview and should be able to build a target list of organisations that fit. It also has to be mentioned that some candidates have unrealistic expections of what they want and can be ott demanding.
Yes I am a parasite recruiter.
Completely untrue for IT recruitment. Yet to meet one who knows wtf they are talking about. They just care for the referral fee.
Quote from: The Subbie on July 08, 2017, 01:30:29 AM
Quote from: Rois on July 08, 2017, 01:01:42 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 07, 2017, 02:59:24 PM
Don't be giving it to her, she'll only head off skiing in Saint Moritz or something! :)
Monaghan Town in the morning for a holiday ;D
I'm homesick now :'( !
Have fun , loads of good places to eat and drink there!
The best Indian I've ever been to is at home in Monaghan !
Eastern Balti? Hard to beat.
Quote from: punt kick on July 08, 2017, 07:33:31 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 08, 2017, 12:03:26 AM
There are good recruiters and bad recruiters. Same as most professions. Try and find one where they'll discuss your career and what you want to do rather than shoehorn you in to a position that they have. A good recruiter will complete an interview and should be able to build a target list of organisations that fit. It also has to be mentioned that some candidates have unrealistic expections of what they want and can be ott demanding.
Yes I am a parasite recruiter.
Completely untrue for IT recruitment. Yet to meet one who knows wtf they are talking about. They just care for the referral fee.
I disagree.
Of course you would. Doesn't make it any less true.
in your opinion. I'm not an IT recruiter by the way. But I know a few that have some excellent candidate feedback.
And what?
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Quote from: The Subbie on July 08, 2017, 01:30:29 AM
Quote from: Rois on July 08, 2017, 01:01:42 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 07, 2017, 02:59:24 PM
Don't be giving it to her, she'll only head off skiing in Saint Moritz or something! :)
Monaghan Town in the morning for a holiday ;D
I'm homesick now :'( !
Have fun , loads of good places to eat and drink there!
The best Indian I've ever been to is at home in Monaghan !
Eastern Balti? Hard to beat.
Savage isn't it !! Totally off topic but it's class !
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 07, 2017, 09:56:02 PM
Dinny - I have had the exact same experience recently but it looks like I've landed a job in exactly the area I want. I worked for the same company for 9 years and fell into a contract (which turned out to be excellent) for a year. I've found recruitment agencies, linkdin etc to be nothing short of soul destroying. My conclusion is that some agencies are better than others, some agents are better than others. You have to keep after them and if they're shit you'll soon realise. Lots of them don't actually have the roles they advertise - if they cannot send you a detailed job spec for that specific role then it's a waste of time. Do not let them "put your details forward" - they're just trying to get the rights to "you" if you eventually land a role. You'll be up on a meaningless database but not submitted for a particular role.
Good luck. What's for you won't pass you.
Thanks Seanie, for a while I thought it might be me but your post is quite reassuring. Although it it could be that we are a pair of cantankerous feckers :)
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 08, 2017, 12:03:26 AM
There are good recruiters and bad recruiters. Same as most professions. Try and find one where they'll discuss your career and what you want to do rather than shoehorn you in to a position that they have. A good recruiter will complete an interview and should be able to build a target list of organisations that fit. It also has to be mentioned that some candidates have unrealistic expections of what they want and can be ott demanding.
Yes I am a parasite recruiter.
This was my expectation, however not one recruiter has actually offered to interview me, review me CV or offered any substantial advice around my expectations. I use to do a lot of the recruiting for my old company so I know my worth in the market.
Now reconsidering going to Monaghan instead of France for my holdays, just for the Indian food mind........
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 10, 2017, 12:56:39 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 08, 2017, 12:03:26 AM
There are good recruiters and bad recruiters. Same as most professions. Try and find one where they'll discuss your career and what you want to do rather than shoehorn you in to a position that they have. A good recruiter will complete an interview and should be able to build a target list of organisations that fit. It also has to be mentioned that some candidates have unrealistic expections of what they want and can be ott demanding.
Yes I am a parasite recruiter.
This was my expectation, however not one recruiter has actually offered to interview me, review me CV or offered any substantial advice around my expectations. I use to do a lot of the recruiting for my old company so I know my worth in the market.
Now reconsidering going to Monaghan instead of France for my holdays, just for the Indian food mind........
Go for North African food/restaurants in France, it's a more than adequate replacement - and you can't really get it back home.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 10, 2017, 12:56:39 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 08, 2017, 12:03:26 AM
There are good recruiters and bad recruiters. Same as most professions. Try and find one where they'll discuss your career and what you want to do rather than shoehorn you in to a position that they have. A good recruiter will complete an interview and should be able to build a target list of organisations that fit. It also has to be mentioned that some candidates have unrealistic expections of what they want and can be ott demanding.
Yes I am a parasite recruiter.
This was my expectation, however not one recruiter has actually offered to interview me, review me CV or offered any substantial advice around my expectations. I use to do a lot of the recruiting for my old company so I know my worth in the market.
Now reconsidering going to Monaghan instead of France for my holdays, just for the Indian food mind........
Do it Dinny , I can't imagine why anyone would forego the chance of a culinary Mecca like the Eastern Balti House in Park Street Monaghan for a trip to France !
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 10, 2017, 12:56:39 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 08, 2017, 12:03:26 AM
There are good recruiters and bad recruiters. Same as most professions. Try and find one where they'll discuss your career and what you want to do rather than shoehorn you in to a position that they have. A good recruiter will complete an interview and should be able to build a target list of organisations that fit. It also has to be mentioned that some candidates have unrealistic expections of what they want and can be ott demanding.
Yes I am a parasite recruiter.
This was my expectation, however not one recruiter has actually offered to interview me, review me CV or offered any substantial advice around my expectations. I use to do a lot of the recruiting for my old company so I know my worth in the market.
Now reconsidering going to Monaghan instead of France for my holdays, just for the Indian food mind........
Crazy, I don't understand how a recruiter could fail to at least run through your cv and experience. How are they meant to present and sell you without doing that? Especially in niche recruitment like IT.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 07, 2017, 02:06:07 PM
Looking for a new role for the first time in 10 years.
So far my experience of recruiters has been horrific, no investment in you, poor communication and the feeling that you are literally just a piece of meat.
Would depress you...
The veneration of crap.
It is hard to find a decent recruiter
I think a lot of HR now is automated. Some of the bigger companies have outsourced recruitment to places like India. It doesn't make sense because linking workers to companies is about nuance. I was talking to one HR person who said they wouldn't look at a CV with a gap between jobs of more than 3 months. This is really short-sighted. Recruiters have to work for the algorithms. Not easy.
I have been job hunting for the last couple of months following notice of pending redundancy. I finish up with the company I am currently with later this month.
I have met with 6-8 recruitment agencies and would agree with what is being said here in that they are mostly pretty average at best. Some young ones that clearly have never worked in another industry and wouldn't have a notion about my level of technical competence and also some more polished but pompous gimps who say all the right things but generally don't lead anywhere.
I have had more success from my own work than through recruiters and I know I have missed out on one role because the recruiter got in first with my CV and the company wouldn't be willing to take their fee.
It is tough going but it just takes diligence and I am sure that the right thing will come off sooner rather than later. I have written off all but maybe one of the recruiters I met at this stage and have much more trust in my own ability to find something suitable for me.
The whole process will have me wiser should I ever be in this situation again in the future.
Look after yourself and don't rely on anyone else.
Edit: LinkedIn. Worthwhile or not? I have never had a profile. I am generally quite a private person when it comes to my work and don't publicise what I do outside of close friends and family.
Quote from: Minus15 on July 11, 2017, 12:39:39 PM
I have been job hunting for the last couple of months following notice of pending redundancy. I finish up with the company I am currently with later this month.
I have met with 6-8 recruitment agencies and would agree with what is being said here in that they are mostly pretty average at best. Some young ones that clearly have never worked in another industry and wouldn't have a notion about my level of technical competence and also some more polished but pompous gimps who say all the right things but generally don't lead anywhere.
I have had more success from my own work than through recruiters and I know I have missed out on one role because the recruiter got in first with my CV and the company wouldn't be willing to take their fee.
It is tough going but it just takes diligence and I am sure that the right thing will come off sooner rather than later. I have written off all but maybe one of the recruiters I met at this stage and have much more trust in my own ability to find something suitable for me.
The whole process will have me wiser should I ever be in this situation again in the future.
Look after yourself and don't rely on anyone else.
Edit: LinkedIn. Worthwhile or not? I have never had a profile. I am generally quite a private person when it comes to my work and don't publicise what I do outside of close friends and family.
First of all good luck with the job hunting, sounds like you already know what needs to be known about recruiters, lower than estate agents.
Re the LinkedIn profile I have one and find it useful for keeping in touch with people I would have worked with in the past - you never burn bridges do you - even though you may not be bosum buddies , on a professional level it's good to stay in touch with people that could be colleagues again in the future.
If you manage to get by without it then all the better .
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 10, 2017, 09:19:24 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 10, 2017, 12:56:39 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 08, 2017, 12:03:26 AM
There are good recruiters and bad recruiters. Same as most professions. Try and find one where they'll discuss your career and what you want to do rather than shoehorn you in to a position that they have. A good recruiter will complete an interview and should be able to build a target list of organisations that fit. It also has to be mentioned that some candidates have unrealistic expections of what they want and can be ott demanding.
Yes I am a parasite recruiter.
This was my expectation, however not one recruiter has actually offered to interview me, review me CV or offered any substantial advice around my expectations. I use to do a lot of the recruiting for my old company so I know my worth in the market.
Now reconsidering going to Monaghan instead of France for my holdays, just for the Indian food mind........
Crazy, I don't understand how a recruiter could fail to at least run through your cv and experience. How are they meant to present and sell you without doing that? Especially in niche recruitment like IT.
They wouldn't know what to ask. Lazy worthless individual's doing a job anyone could do.
Quote from: punt kick on July 11, 2017, 03:41:14 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 10, 2017, 09:19:24 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 10, 2017, 12:56:39 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 08, 2017, 12:03:26 AM
There are good recruiters and bad recruiters. Same as most professions. Try and find one where they'll discuss your career and what you want to do rather than shoehorn you in to a position that they have. A good recruiter will complete an interview and should be able to build a target list of organisations that fit. It also has to be mentioned that some candidates have unrealistic expections of what they want and can be ott demanding.
Yes I am a parasite recruiter.
This was my expectation, however not one recruiter has actually offered to interview me, review me CV or offered any substantial advice around my expectations. I use to do a lot of the recruiting for my old company so I know my worth in the market.
Now reconsidering going to Monaghan instead of France for my holdays, just for the Indian food mind........
Crazy, I don't understand how a recruiter could fail to at least run through your cv and experience. How are they meant to present and sell you without doing that? Especially in niche recruitment like IT.
They wouldn't know what to ask. Lazy worthless individual's doing a job anyone could do.
True, but sure IT people are only tech geeks. Thrown them in anywhere and as long as they don't have to speak to anyone they're happy. 😒
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Quote from: punt kick on July 11, 2017, 03:41:14 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 10, 2017, 09:19:24 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 10, 2017, 12:56:39 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 08, 2017, 12:03:26 AM
There are good recruiters and bad recruiters. Same as most professions. Try and find one where they'll discuss your career and what you want to do rather than shoehorn you in to a position that they have. A good recruiter will complete an interview and should be able to build a target list of organisations that fit. It also has to be mentioned that some candidates have unrealistic expections of what they want and can be ott demanding.
Yes I am a parasite recruiter.
This was my expectation, however not one recruiter has actually offered to interview me, review me CV or offered any substantial advice around my expectations. I use to do a lot of the recruiting for my old company so I know my worth in the market.
Now reconsidering going to Monaghan instead of France for my holdays, just for the Indian food mind........
Crazy, I don't understand how a recruiter could fail to at least run through your cv and experience. How are they meant to present and sell you without doing that? Especially in niche recruitment like IT.
They wouldn't know what to ask. Lazy worthless individual's doing a job anyone could do.
True, but sure IT people are only tech geeks. Thrown them in anywhere and as long as they don't have to speak to anyone they're happy. 😒
happy = (shitetalk <= 0.0)
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 11, 2017, 09:29:34 PM
Quote from: punt kick on July 11, 2017, 03:41:14 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 10, 2017, 09:19:24 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 10, 2017, 12:56:39 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 08, 2017, 12:03:26 AM
There are good recruiters and bad recruiters. Same as most professions. Try and find one where they'll discuss your career and what you want to do rather than shoehorn you in to a position that they have. A good recruiter will complete an interview and should be able to build a target list of organisations that fit. It also has to be mentioned that some candidates have unrealistic expections of what they want and can be ott demanding.
Yes I am a parasite recruiter.
This was my expectation, however not one recruiter has actually offered to interview me, review me CV or offered any substantial advice around my expectations. I use to do a lot of the recruiting for my old company so I know my worth in the market.
Now reconsidering going to Monaghan instead of France for my holdays, just for the Indian food mind........
Crazy, I don't understand how a recruiter could fail to at least run through your cv and experience. How are they meant to present and sell you without doing that? Especially in niche recruitment like IT.
They wouldn't know what to ask. Lazy worthless individual's doing a job anyone could do.
True, but sure IT people are only tech geeks. Thrown them in anywhere and as long as they don't have to speak to anyone they're happy. 😒
Point proven. You are a credit to the parasites / recruiters.
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Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 11, 2017, 09:29:34 PM
Quote from: punt kick on July 11, 2017, 03:41:14 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 10, 2017, 09:19:24 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 10, 2017, 12:56:39 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 08, 2017, 12:03:26 AM
There are good recruiters and bad recruiters. Same as most professions. Try and find one where they'll discuss your career and what you want to do rather than shoehorn you in to a position that they have. A good recruiter will complete an interview and should be able to build a target list of organisations that fit. It also has to be mentioned that some candidates have unrealistic expections of what they want and can be ott demanding.
Yes I am a parasite recruiter.
This was my expectation, however not one recruiter has actually offered to interview me, review me CV or offered any substantial advice around my expectations. I use to do a lot of the recruiting for my old company so I know my worth in the market.
Now reconsidering going to Monaghan instead of France for my holdays, just for the Indian food mind........
Crazy, I don't understand how a recruiter could fail to at least run through your cv and experience. How are they meant to present and sell you without doing that? Especially in niche recruitment like IT.
They wouldn't know what to ask. Lazy worthless individual's doing a job anyone could do.
True, but sure IT people are only tech geeks. Thrown them in anywhere and as long as they don't have to speak to anyone they're happy. 😒
Point proven. You are a credit to the parasites / recruiters.
Indeed. I bet your one of those needy candidates who blames the recruiter every time they get passed over for a job. Man up, you just weren't good enough.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 10, 2017, 09:19:24 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 10, 2017, 12:56:39 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 08, 2017, 12:03:26 AM
There are good recruiters and bad recruiters. Same as most professions. Try and find one where they'll discuss your career and what you want to do rather than shoehorn you in to a position that they have. A good recruiter will complete an interview and should be able to build a target list of organisations that fit. It also has to be mentioned that some candidates have unrealistic expections of what they want and can be ott demanding.
Yes I am a parasite recruiter.
This was my expectation, however not one recruiter has actually offered to interview me, review me CV or offered any substantial advice around my expectations. I use to do a lot of the recruiting for my old company so I know my worth in the market.
Now reconsidering going to Monaghan instead of France for my holdays, just for the Indian food mind........
Crazy, I don't understand how a recruiter could fail to at least run through your cv and experience. How are they meant to present and sell you without doing that? Especially in niche recruitment like IT.
What Dinny is describing is largely my experience with recruiters, have dealt with around 10 over the years and only 1-2 who were good. Not one has ever suggested changes to my CV
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Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 10, 2017, 09:19:24 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 10, 2017, 12:56:39 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 08, 2017, 12:03:26 AM
There are good recruiters and bad recruiters. Same as most professions. Try and find one where they'll discuss your career and what you want to do rather than shoehorn you in to a position that they have. A good recruiter will complete an interview and should be able to build a target list of organisations that fit. It also has to be mentioned that some candidates have unrealistic expections of what they want and can be ott demanding.
Yes I am a parasite recruiter.
This was my expectation, however not one recruiter has actually offered to interview me, review me CV or offered any substantial advice around my expectations. I use to do a lot of the recruiting for my old company so I know my worth in the market.
Now reconsidering going to Monaghan instead of France for my holdays, just for the Indian food mind........
Crazy, I don't understand how a recruiter could fail to at least run through your cv and experience. How are they meant to present and sell you without doing that? Especially in niche recruitment like IT.
They wouldn't know what to ask. Lazy worthless individual's doing a job anyone could do.
True, but sure IT people are only tech geeks. Thrown them in anywhere and as long as they don't have to speak to anyone they're happy. 😒
Point proven. You are a credit to the parasites / recruiters.
Indeed. I bet your one of those needy candidates who blames the recruiter every time they get passed over for a job. Man up, you just weren't good enough.
Oh hit a nerve kid. The ability of my left testical far outstreatches some twat sending out mass emails with no clue of the job or the ideal candidate. Talk to Bigfella he is the IT guru he could show you the way.
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Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 08, 2017, 12:03:26 AM
There are good recruiters and bad recruiters. Same as most professions. Try and find one where they'll discuss your career and what you want to do rather than shoehorn you in to a position that they have. A good recruiter will complete an interview and should be able to build a target list of organisations that fit. It also has to be mentioned that some candidates have unrealistic expections of what they want and can be ott demanding.
Yes I am a parasite recruiter.
This was my expectation, however not one recruiter has actually offered to interview me, review me CV or offered any substantial advice around my expectations. I use to do a lot of the recruiting for my old company so I know my worth in the market.
Now reconsidering going to Monaghan instead of France for my holdays, just for the Indian food mind........
Crazy, I don't understand how a recruiter could fail to at least run through your cv and experience. How are they meant to present and sell you without doing that? Especially in niche recruitment like IT.
What Dinny is describing is largely my experience with recruiters, have dealt with around 10 over the years and only 1-2 who were good. Not one has ever suggested changes to my CV
Try and look for recruiters who have been in the business for a while. There does be a lot to jump into recruitment but can bow out again just as quick as it is a heavily targeted job.
A cv should be moderated for each position, depending on the job description. What's relevant for one role, won't be relevant for another. Anyone even applying for a job should amend their cv before applying.
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Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 10, 2017, 09:19:24 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 10, 2017, 12:56:39 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 08, 2017, 12:03:26 AM
There are good recruiters and bad recruiters. Same as most professions. Try and find one where they'll discuss your career and what you want to do rather than shoehorn you in to a position that they have. A good recruiter will complete an interview and should be able to build a target list of organisations that fit. It also has to be mentioned that some candidates have unrealistic expections of what they want and can be ott demanding.
Yes I am a parasite recruiter.
This was my expectation, however not one recruiter has actually offered to interview me, review me CV or offered any substantial advice around my expectations. I use to do a lot of the recruiting for my old company so I know my worth in the market.
Now reconsidering going to Monaghan instead of France for my holdays, just for the Indian food mind........
Crazy, I don't understand how a recruiter could fail to at least run through your cv and experience. How are they meant to present and sell you without doing that? Especially in niche recruitment like IT.
They wouldn't know what to ask. Lazy worthless individual's doing a job anyone could do.
True, but sure IT people are only tech geeks. Thrown them in anywhere and as long as they don't have to speak to anyone they're happy. 😒
Point proven. You are a credit to the parasites / recruiters.
Indeed. I bet your one of those needy candidates who blames the recruiter every time they get passed over for a job. Man up, you just weren't good enough.
Oh hit a nerve kid. The ability of my left testical far outstreatches some twat sending out mass emails with no clue of the job or the ideal candidate. Talk to Bigfella he is the IT guru he could show you the way.
Jeez you must have been passed over a few times. Try this http://www.dummies.com/careers/find-a-job/interviews/job-interviews-for-dummies-cheat-sheet/
There are so many bad ones out there. It is not that they are no good it's that they don't care.
When a company has issues and people are leaving they are like vultures round the rest of the people left telling them they care. They send out templated emails telling people they are special and were their first thought when everyone knows they were sent round loads of people. One phoned up a company front desk asking for someone and said they were a family member then got through.
A lot don't know the difference between technolgies when their primary job is to resource.... Technology jobs!
They do no good for companies too. Send bad candidates into companies. One in belfast lost a big contract so took a massive billboard ad out right beside the building they lost the contract on. 3 days later.
In writing that i do realise most of the dodgy manouvres are by one company mind you but i would be far from impressed by the it recruitment industry in belfast. Maybe it is better down south.
It's a business. I think people sometimes over estimate what a recruiter can do. They're doing a job, they're not there to be everyone's best friend or even to provide everyone with career development. A good recruiter will be able to do this to a certain degree. But I find candidates can also expect too much. Plus for every job there's usually 4-5 candidates but only one success one. That means there's usually 3-4 people disappointed with the process. And some candidates look for a way out and can blame the recruiter, when sometimes looking at their own actions could be more valuable.
And that's before I get on to bad candidates......
So what is your recruitment speciality and qualifications and work experience to get the ideal candidate?
Engineering specialist. Degree from Harper Adams in Agricultural engineering. Been in recruitment for close to 7 years.
Do I need the degree? No, I'm not using Creo or solid works, or looking to implement six sigma. Does it help. Definitely.
But with a good intake with the client I should know what areas of experience I need to cover. I'm never going to be as indepth as the interview, but we'll be able to identify candidates close to what they are looking for.
I think recruiters are like brokers. They match sellers with buyers . Brokers come with all different levels of competence too. I would put most of the responsibility on company HR policies however. HR people are absolutely cat .
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 11, 2017, 11:44:26 PM
Engineering specialist. Degree from Harper Adams in Agricultural engineering. Been in recruitment for close to 7 years.
Do I need the degree? No, I'm not using Creo or solid works, or looking to implement six sigma. Does it help. Definitely.
But with a good intake with the client I should know what areas of experience I need to cover. I'm never going to be as indepth as the interview, but we'll be able to identify candidates close to what they are looking for.
And apart from sending emails you worked as an engineer where and for how long?
Must be 20 years plus to make you q specialist?
Why would it take 20 years to be a specialist?
What do you do?
I work. So how many years experience outside of sending mails and reaching out to folk do you have as an engineer to make you a specialist?
Work at what? How many interviews processes have you cocked up in and blamed the recruiter?
I just know you are one of those guys that walk into an interview and can't lift your eyes off the floor to even look at the interviewer. But at least you can act the hard man on line eh?
More help for you for your next interview https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=4698784
I work in the real world and never used some beautiful persons profile pic reaching out to me to further my career. I ask again to make you an engineering specialist how many years did you work as an engineer in your specialist area, or are you a general engineering specialist?
I worked in the real world as well.
I can understand your frustration. 60+ interviews and no one prepared to give you a chance. Just keep plugging away. Your time will come. Your just paying your dues.
This might help empower you for your next few interviews. https://www.themuse.com/advice/5-ways-to-look-confident-in-an-interview-even-when-youre-freaking-out
I assume you have never worked as an engineer then. Sums up recruitment and linkedin in particular. You need absolutely no qualifications to get into recruitment and yet recruiters are supposed to be matching highly skilled candidates with highly skilled roles. Skills and roles they know nothing whatsoever about!
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 12, 2017, 08:46:24 AM
I worked in the real world as well.
So you admit you don't now.
You do know what assuming does? Makes you look a d!ck.
don't worry some day someone will take a chance on you. Your positivity just glows. If it wasn't for all those darn recruiters stopping you getting a job. As I said keep trying and some day you'll make that break through. Then there'll be no stopping you.
Quote from: punt kick on July 12, 2017, 08:59:11 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 12, 2017, 08:46:24 AM
I worked in the real world as well.
So you admit you don't now.
Ouch, nailed me there. You should put that on your cv as one off your accomplishments. Bound to get you a point or two.
Oh dear. You are a credit to all recruiters out there if this is the level of engagement you use when dealing with candidates and employers you must rake in the commission. So chemical, mechanical, civil, electrical, etc. you are specialist in them all?
Thank you. I can just imagine how much hard work you would be. Bet you apply for loads of roles you're not qualified for. Then give out to the recruiter who has to break the bad news to you. Always those darn recruiters fault. Never gave me a chance!!
So with you vast work experience are you a specialist in all engineering disciplines?
A few. So what do you do in the real world?
You have shown with every post how inept recruiters are, why would I uses some bullshit specialist to further my career?
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 12, 2017, 09:17:17 AM
A few. So what do you do in the real world?
You really are in recruitment - full of shite!
Trueblue1234 - if you are a recruiter you've pretty much proved what most of us have been saying.
That's it let it all out. Blame another recruiter for your inability to get a job. If it helps with that confidence issue then it's all good!!
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 12, 2017, 09:19:48 AM
Trueblue1234 - if you are a recruiter you've pretty much proved what most of us have been saying.
Bite me MS. Did you read what Punt Kick has been posting. I treated him with the same contempt he was showing all recruiters. In fact i was being obviously OTT about it. But you'd no issue with that did you.
I've posted reasonable to other posters in this thread but if someone is a dick I'll treat them as one. And Punt kick has plenty of form under No Wides, Cold Tea.
Anger issues kid maybe you should have stuck with one of your engineering specialties.
Oh dear made a fool out of yourself and blaming everyone but yourself. What was that you were saying about candidates blaming recruiters.
That's not anger. In fact I find it funny.
Quote from: punt kick on July 12, 2017, 09:31:19 AM
Oh dear made a fool out of yourself and blaming everyone but yourself. What was that you were saying about candidates blaming recruiters.
Trying to claim false victories as well. You really would be a top notch candidate. I can imagine how engaging you would be.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 12, 2017, 09:32:55 AM
That's not anger. In fact I find it funny.
Not as funny as your engineering specialist claim.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 12, 2017, 09:34:34 AM
Quote from: punt kick on July 12, 2017, 09:31:19 AM
Oh dear made a fool out of yourself and blaming everyone but yourself. What was that you were saying about candidates blaming recruiters.
Trying to claim false victories as well. You really would be a top notch candidate. I can imagine how engaging you would be.
Why would anyone be a candidate with someone who has no qualifications to do what they claim they can do?
It hurts doesn't it. There was you hoping I had no engineering background. Now your whole argument is in tatters. I can just feel that frustration boil up in you again. It's like being rejected for another time.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 12, 2017, 09:26:11 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 12, 2017, 09:19:48 AM
Trueblue1234 - if you are a recruiter you've pretty much proved what most of us have been saying.
Bite me MS. Did you read what Punt Kick has been posting. I treated him with the same contempt he was showing all recruiters. In fact i was being obviously OTT about it. But you'd no issue with that did you.
I've posted reasonable to other posters in this thread but if someone is a dick I'll treat them as one. And Punt kick has plenty of form under No Wides, Cold Tea.
So why did you post this "Bite me MS." in response to a perfectly measured comment I made? If all our experiences are similar perhaps you should acknowledge there is a problem? Being out of work is a stressful time and when you get the feeling the person who's supposedly the link between you and a job doesn't give a f**k it is extremely annoying.
I've recently secured a good role with thanks to a pretty good recruiter who did exactly what I'd expect all recruiters to do. He was fairly honest also. He readily acknowledged that there are a serious number of cowboy recruiters and agencies operating. He has restored my faith in there being some good guys.
If there's previous between you and this other poster that's your business but you're certainly not presenting a good picture to a casual observer like myself.
I posted that because it's clear in this thread what Punt Kick was doing.you choose to ignore his posts and focus on what I was replying about. You didn't have to have any previous knowledge of Punk Kick. I had already acknowledged that there's bad recruiters. And even advised what to look for in a recruiter. But I won't just lie down to a internet hardman who obviously couldn't win an argument in real and has to try to pick fights on line. Plus it's rather enjoyable to wind him up.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 12, 2017, 09:37:43 AM
It hurts doesn't it. There was you hoping I had no engineering background. Now your whole argument is in tatters. I can just feel that frustration boil up in you again. It's like being rejected for another time.
Sorry i must have missed your post which listed your real work experience in all these different engineering disciplines.
Right next to the post where you said what you did.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 12, 2017, 09:46:56 AM
Plus it's rather enjoyable to wind him up.
By coming across as completly inept in your chosen role?
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 12, 2017, 09:49:08 AM
Right next to the post where you said what you did.
What does it matter what I do. You are the one claiming to be a recruiter and an engineering specialist an easy claim anyone can make. Have you ever worked outside reaching out to folk?
Quote from: punt kick on July 12, 2017, 09:50:01 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 12, 2017, 09:46:56 AM
Plus it's rather enjoyable to wind him up.
By coming across as completly inept in your chosen role?
Actually part of my job is working out the bullsh!tters. Which helps when debating with u.
Trust me kid you are not debating with anyone. You are just showing how inept and immature you are. Good luck in conquering the engineering world, you appear to be nearly there.
You've a high opinion of your own opinion. I suppose someone needs to. But good luck in your future recruitment endeavours. I'm sure you'll work on surpressing the anger.
Going to lock this for obvious reasons.
To Rois, Rosnarun, MS, Declan and even TB1234 & PK, thanks for the advice, support and comments.