Dubs team for Sunday
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Quote from: The Hill is Blue on June 24, 2017, 12:31:18 PM
Dubs team for Sunday
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDFNAL1WAAAbv7L?format=jpg
Would Aaron Byrne be in the match day squad? Looking forward to see how he gets on at senior county level. Serious talent
Quote from: JoG2 on June 24, 2017, 12:46:06 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on June 24, 2017, 12:31:18 PM
Dubs team for Sunday
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDFNAL1WAAAbv7L?format=jpg
Would Aaron Byrne be in the match day squad? Looking forward to see how he gets on at senior county level. Serious talent
I'm not sure that he'd make the match-day squad. I don't believe that he was on the squad against Carlow.
Hoping for a dirty game with plenty of sending offs.
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on June 24, 2017, 02:30:09 PM
Hoping for a dirty game with plenty of sending offs.
And 2 replays...
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 24, 2017, 02:44:48 PM
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on June 24, 2017, 02:30:09 PM
Hoping for a dirty game with plenty of sending offs.
And 2 replays...
Two replays would do us no harm provided we came out on the right side of the final result.
When will the pain end?
Dublin could really do with Costello and O'Callaghan stepping up this year, pity about injuries.
Remain to be convinced by McCarthy in midfield.
Mannion in the hfs! Hopefully goes into the corner.
Expect Dublin to win....they'll probably be 5-7 points up and Westmeath still won't come and play...such is modern football.
The beginning of home games for the Dubs after the earlier token game in Portlaoise. The inequality continues even for situations where this can be dealt with. The Westmeath players are sold the rubbish about the privilege of getting to play in Croke Park. A privilege for other counties - a right for Dublin! Dublin are 1/100! Luckily I have better things to do than watching this sad miss match tomorrow! The last two meetings have resulted in beatings of 15 points in 2016 and 13 points in 2015. Westmeath have only scored 16 in total in both games. Not enough there in two games to often win one game! But hey, the corporate boxes will bring in a bit of revenue tomorrow, who cares about spreading a bit of wealth down the country if nothing else!
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 24, 2017, 05:16:58 PM
The beginning of home games for the Dubs after the earlier token game in Portlaoise. The inequality continues even for situations where this can be dealt with. The Westmeath players are sold the rubbish about the privilege of getting to play in Croke Park. A privilege for other counties - a right for Dublin! Dublin are 1/100! Luckily I have better things to do than watching this sad miss match tomorrow! The last two meetings have resulted in beatings of 15 points in 2016 and 13 points in 2015. Westmeath have only scored 16 in total in both games. Not enough there in two games to often win one game! But hey, the corporate boxes will bring in a bit of revenue tomorrow, who cares about spreading a bit of wealth down the country if nothing else!
but but but, Croke Park is not the Dubs stadium...
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 24, 2017, 05:18:52 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 24, 2017, 05:16:58 PM
The beginning of home games for the Dubs after the earlier token game in Portlaoise. The inequality continues even for situations where this can be dealt with. The Westmeath players are sold the rubbish about the privilege of getting to play in Croke Park. A privilege for other counties - a right for Dublin! Dublin are 1/100! Luckily I have better things to do than watching this sad miss match tomorrow! The last two meetings have resulted in beatings of 15 points in 2016 and 13 points in 2015. Westmeath have only scored 16 in total in both games. Not enough there in two games to often win one game! But hey, the corporate boxes will bring in a bit of revenue tomorrow, who cares about spreading a bit of wealth down the country if nothing else!
but but but, Croke Park is not the Dubs stadium...
..........and neither is the Hill. Sure next we'll be told that Croke Park is not really in Dublin! ;)
Quote from: JoG2 on June 24, 2017, 12:46:06 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on June 24, 2017, 12:31:18 PM
Dubs team for Sunday
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDFNAL1WAAAbv7L?format=jpg
Would Aaron Byrne be in the match day squad? Looking forward to see how he gets on at senior county level. Serious talent
He isn't on the senior panel. Going travelling abroad for the summer
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 24, 2017, 05:16:58 PM
The beginning of home games for the Dubs after the earlier token game in Portlaoise. The inequality continues even for situations where this can be dealt with. The Westmeath players are sold the rubbish about the privilege of getting to play in Croke Park. A privilege for other counties - a right for Dublin! Dublin are 1/100! Luckily I have better things to do than watching this sad miss match tomorrow! The last two meetings have resulted in beatings of 15 points in 2016 and 13 points in 2015. Westmeath have only scored 16 in total in both games. Not enough there in two games to often win one game! But hey, the corporate boxes will bring in a bit of revenue tomorrow, who cares about spreading a bit of wealth down the country if nothing else!
Tullamore or Portlaoise would be a grand setting for this game and would make an occasion of it.
But then the Corporates and long term ticket crowds wouldn't get their days out, drinks, meals blah blah...
Time for the 11 Counties to break away.....
I would love to see a panel of the best players classed as not good enough for the Dublin senior panel train and prepare like a senior county team. I'd guess they could easily reach mid-table D2 if not better. Dublin really have an embarrassment of riches.
Quote from: Buttofthehill on June 24, 2017, 04:14:11 PM
Dublin could really do with Costello and O'Callaghan stepping up this year, pity about injuries.
Remain to be convinced by McCarthy in midfield.
Mannion in the hfs! Hopefully goes into the corner.
Expect Dublin to win....they'll probably be 5-7 points up and Westmeath still won't come and play...such is modern football.
McCarthy wont be playing midfield. Will be Fenton/Kilkenny in the middle
With Scully going to half forward. Happy enough to see Kilkenny playmaking in midfield.
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on June 24, 2017, 07:53:50 PM
With Scully going to half forward. Happy enough to see Kilkenny playmaking in midfield.
Just as long as the midfield play making is going in the right direction. Watching all those slow, lateral hand passes of his, make me lose the will to live. ::)
Quote from: Beffs on June 24, 2017, 07:56:01 PM
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on June 24, 2017, 07:53:50 PM
With Scully going to half forward. Happy enough to see Kilkenny playmaking in midfield.
Just as long as the midfield play making is going in the right direction. Watching all those slow, lateral hand passes of his, make me lose the will to live. ::)
Completely agree it is dreadful to watch.
But when (if) Dublin find themselves 3/4 points up, the onus is on the opposition to come out and play. If the other teams commits players forward, maybe KK would be more direct.
Some teams won't try and attack even if they are on a loser doing what they do.
Ya have to stick with the "process" God help us!!
Great block by WM defender. Twas like watching Mick Lyons again... in a maroon shirt.
few handy frees to help the Dubs along
Dublin with 15 players behind the ball
Since when can they show snuff films on broadcast television?
how many steps is a Dublin player allowed?
answers on the back of a beermat to hq
How are our state sponsored team getting on?
Fine blocking from WM. Good to see.
Quote from: BennyCake on June 25, 2017, 04:23:05 PM
Fine blocking from WM. Good to see.
When you need last ditch blocking like that you're in a bad state out the field.
Dubs fans being a shower of wankers, so surprising
What the score, nothing worse talking about the game and proving no score for those not watching off course.
11-1 to 5. Dub creating umpteen goal chances, finally took one
Sharry slows up the play far too much.
Get the ball into Heslin
game over
Is palming the ball to the net not a foul?
Quote from: BennyCake on June 25, 2017, 04:30:38 PM
Is palming the ball to the net not a foul?
no
has to be definite striking action
Has the intensity of a low key challenge match!
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 25, 2017, 04:32:04 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 25, 2017, 04:30:38 PM
Is palming the ball to the net not a foul?
no
has to be definite striking action
A normal fist pass using the open hand is a foul. A Dub was just blown up for it. So why not a palmed goal?
palmed goals have been allowed as far back as i remember ,why query on the rule now?
Why is this on TV ?
Quote from: ashman on June 25, 2017, 04:39:18 PM
Why is this on TV ?
Because Dublin have the population of a province.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 25, 2017, 04:37:57 PM
palmed goals have been allowed as far back as i remember ,why query on the rule now?
Because wasn't the rule changed on palmed fist passes being a foul?
Quote from: ashman on June 25, 2017, 04:39:18 PM
Why is this on TV ?
Because RTE lost the cricket to Sky.
Quote from: BennyCake on June 25, 2017, 04:35:14 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 25, 2017, 04:32:04 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 25, 2017, 04:30:38 PM
Is palming the ball to the net not a foul?
no
has to be definite striking action
A normal fist pass using the open hand is a foul. A Dub was just blown up for it. So why not a palmed goal?
A normal fist pass using the open hand is perfectly fine as long as it's executed properly.
Quote from: BennyCake on June 25, 2017, 04:40:11 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 25, 2017, 04:37:57 PM
palmed goals have been allowed as far back as i remember ,why query on the rule now?
Because wasn't the rule changed on palmed fist passes being a foul?
No, palmed hand passes are allowed so long as there's a definite underhand motion. James McCarthy was pinged because it was a side motion
Just the 1-10 without reply for the Dubs there.
Why is this rubbish on the telly? Why? Why are RTE paying a whole broadcast team to have this non event on the Telly?
Score??
1.15 to 0.05
1.16 to 0.05
1.17 to 0.05
so the Dubs won't have to leave Croke Park for the rest of the year?
Learning not new here, Dublin can kick a huge total against a side that doesn't set up defensively against them.
1.17 to 0.06
1.18 to 0.06
1.18 to 0.07
2.18 to 0.07
nine steps taken there
Cassidy another poor choice for co commentator.
Westmeath can make for mother hubbards this isn't pretty.
Quote from: highorlow on June 25, 2017, 05:03:57 PM
Cassidy another poor choice for co commentator.
Westmeath can make for mother hubbards this isn't pretty.
Cassidy is fine. This forum knocks every commentator and pundit relentlessly. It's comical to watch the myopic groupthink.
What we learn today is that it's a myth Dublin fans travel, 33k in their home venue and they couldn't even sell out the stand in Portlaoise.
Quote from: Syferus on June 25, 2017, 05:06:18 PM
Quote from: highorlow on June 25, 2017, 05:03:57 PM
Cassidy another poor choice for co commentator.
Westmeath can make for mother hubbards this isn't pretty.
Cassidy is fine. This forum knocks every commentator and pundit relentlessly. It's comical to watch the myopic groupthink.
Agree. He's perfectly fine. Canning on the other hand....
Tyrone still fancy they can win the all-ireland this year?
Ok, if fawning over the super Dubs is an addition then he is fine!
Quote from: highorlow on June 25, 2017, 05:14:09 PM
Ok, if fawning over the super Dubs is an addition then he is fine!
Ah I see.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 25, 2017, 05:07:47 PM
What we learn today is that it's a myth Dublin fans travel, 33k in their home venue and they couldn't even sell out the stand in Portlaoise.
We made them travel to the Hyde and then changed the venue the morning of the match. The biggest victory any county has had over Dublin in a long time.
Only 6 goals in it now! :-\
Quote from: Syferus on June 25, 2017, 05:17:56 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 25, 2017, 05:07:47 PM
What we learn today is that it's a myth Dublin fans travel, 33k in their home venue and they couldn't even sell out the stand in Portlaoise.
We made them travel to the Hyde and then changed the venue the morning of the match. The biggest victory any county has had over Dublin in a long time.
And Liveline got a week out of it.
2.26 to 0.10
It's a radio job for me so can anyone tell me if they are right in saying that WH are putting in feeble hits at the back, and are they just kicking out to Fenton constantly?
The fitness of WH has also been questioned. As I said it is Radio here so no harm getting numerous further opinions.
Just a narrow 31 point win for the Dubs today. Will need to sharpen up their shooting if they want to contend this year.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on June 25, 2017, 05:32:40 PM
It's a radio job for me so can anyone tell me if they are right in saying that WH are putting in feeble hits at the back, and are they just kicking out to Fenton constantly?
The fitness of WH has also been questioned. As I said it is Radio here so no harm getting numerous further opinions.
Yeah that's pretty accurate. The fitness thing probably not so much. I'm sure the WH fitness levels are no worse than 25 other counties. But when your team doesn't have the ball you get tired a hell of a lot quicker.
Sweet fcuk. That was without mercy.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 25, 2017, 05:39:19 PM
Sweet fcuk. That was without mercy.
Dublin's currency is fear. They know well what they're doing hammering D4 teams like this.
There you go, they are a hugely better team without Diarmuid Connolly, better off without him!
really looking forward to the extended highlights on the Sunday game tonite while we get 1 or 2 min. of the other games
The sooner the GAA bring in a tiered championship to stop these type of contests the better. Pointless exercise today, Dublin will have had harder training sessions.
Dublin will always do that to a team that chose to take them on with no defensive system in place. Carlow who like Westmeath played their league football in Div 4 gave a much better account of themselves against Dublin because they had a defensive system in place.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 25, 2017, 05:48:02 PM
The sooner the GAA bring in a tiered championship to stop these type of contests the better. Pointless exercise today, Dublin will have had harder training sessions.
+1
Pure daftness.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 25, 2017, 05:48:02 PM
The sooner the GAA bring in a tiered championship to stop these type of contests the better. Pointless exercise today, Dublin will have had harder training sessions.
Don't know if a tiered championship structure has added much to hurling. Don't see the Christy Rng etc having much prestige within hurling generally. My experience of those who would consider themselves to be from serious hurling counties is that counties involved in the lower tier championships are by and large irrelevant in the wider hurling scheme of things.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 25, 2017, 05:54:52 PM
Dublin will always do that to a team that chose to take them on with no defensive system in place. Carlow who like Westmeath played their league football in Div 4 gave a much better account of themselves against Dublin because they had a defensive system in place.
True. But WH got slated for keeping the score down the past two years. Mostly by their own.
Carlow did well to an extend as plus their game was not in croke park
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 25, 2017, 05:41:40 PM
There you go, they are a hugely better team without Diarmuid Connolly, better off without him!
:D I forgot about him
Quote from: shark on June 25, 2017, 06:05:23 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 25, 2017, 05:54:52 PM
Dublin will always do that to a team that chose to take them on with no defensive system in place. Carlow who like Westmeath played their league football in Div 4 gave a much better account of themselves against Dublin because they had a defensive system in place.
True. But WH got slated for keeping the score down the past two years. Mostly by their own.
Well those who slated it got their answer today and they might realize you don't take on Dublin without a defensive system in place sure even Mayo,Kerry would be hammered by Dublin if they turned up with those tactics,lack of organization and wide open at the back.
Westmeath like fools listened to the media to come out of their shell and played open football! The theory is sure you are going to lose anyway. Wonder how many Westmeath people went to the game today? Not many I'd say! Today will have done further damage to that support. Dublin support will fade as well. Turkey shoots like today remind me of Premier league team friendlies played in the Aviva! Dublin going for 7 in a row Leinsters and 12 in 13 years! from a provincial point of view this is so unhealthy.
Quote from: inexile on June 25, 2017, 06:00:48 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 25, 2017, 05:48:02 PM
The sooner the GAA bring in a tiered championship to stop these type of contests the better. Pointless exercise today, Dublin will have had harder training sessions.
Don't know if a tiered championship structure has added much to hurling. Don't see the Christy Rng etc having much prestige within hurling generally. My experience of those who would consider themselves to be from serious hurling counties is that counties involved in the lower tier championships are by and large irrelevant in the wider hurling scheme of things.
A tiered championship means no matches like Down v Monaghan yesterday evening.
Nobody gives a shit about the Christy Ring Cup and nobody will give a shit about a B football championship.
Dublin do exactly the same to Division 1 teams as they did to Westmeath today.
I think what people mean to say when they suggest a tiered championship, is that Dublin shouldn't be allowed play anybody else except Kerry.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 25, 2017, 06:18:30 PM
Westmeath like fools listened to the media to come out of their shell and played open football! The theory is sure you are going to lose anyway. Wonder how many Westmeath people went to the game today? Not many I'd say! Today will have done further damage to that support. Dublin support will fade as well. Turkey shoots like today remind me of Premier league team friendlies played in the Aviva! Dublin going for 7 in a row Leinsters and 12 in 13 years! from a provincial point of view this is so unhealthy.
Today had nothing to do with resources . When you perform as badly as Westmeath did today you have no chance. Carlow would have beaten Westmeath today. They were the worst team we've played in about 5 years.
Quote from: INDIANA on June 25, 2017, 06:22:06 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 25, 2017, 06:18:30 PM
Westmeath like fools listened to the media to come out of their shell and played open football! The theory is sure you are going to lose anyway. Wonder how many Westmeath people went to the game today? Not many I'd say! Today will have done further damage to that support. Dublin support will fade as well. Turkey shoots like today remind me of Premier league team friendlies played in the Aviva! Dublin going for 7 in a row Leinsters and 12 in 13 years! from a provincial point of view this is so unhealthy.
Today had nothing to do with resources . When you perform as badly as Westmeath did today you have no chance. Carlow would have beaten Westmeath today. They were the worst team we've played in about 5 years.
You just keep telling yourself that! What did Westmeath score against you in 2016 and 2015?
Dublin are fairly good, lads.
Dublin were excellent, Westmeath were pathetic, Croke Park was as miserable as ever for the Leinster championship. I just hope Kildare try to compete and at least leave a few marks on the Dublin players.
I can understand how Westmeath failed to get up for the game today, playing in zero atmosphere with no supporters, tired after the week before and set up badly they knew the game was gone after 15 minutes. Dublin were ruthless and have got the fear factor back.
The media ban is pathetic though and the GAA should threathen to withold the €1.5m a year they get if they fail to uphold their obligations.
If football has nothing to do with resources then Leitrim and Carlow should be capable of contending for All-Ireland's.
Dubs non-print media ban over the meeja's reporting on Connolly. Sweet Jebus.
All this talk of splitting the championship pisses me off. So what if Westmeath get hockeyed. We got hockeyed 4 years ago and all the talk was the same.
Since that beating by the Dubs (4-25 to 0-10) we have beaten Derry, Down, Monaghan and Laois in the championship. Where would you put us?
Does nobody remember the farce that was the Tommy Cooper Cup?
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 25, 2017, 06:32:30 PM
Dubs non-print media ban over the meeja's reporting on Connolly. Sweet Jebus.
All this talk of splitting the championship pisses me off. So what if Westmeath get hockeyed. We got hockeyed 4 years ago and all the talk was the same.
Since we have beaten Derry, Down, Monaghan and Laois in the championship. Where would you put us?
Does nobody remember the farce that was the Tommy Cooper Cup?
I was really looking forward to listening to Jim Gavin afterwards talking about how hard Wesmeath pushed them and how they are happy to have just gotten over them.
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on June 25, 2017, 06:34:22 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 25, 2017, 06:32:30 PM
Dubs non-print media ban over the meeja's reporting on Connolly. Sweet Jebus.
All this talk of splitting the championship pisses me off. So what if Westmeath get hockeyed. We got hockeyed 4 years ago and all the talk was the same.
Since we have beaten Derry, Down, Monaghan and Laois in the championship. Where would you put us?
Does nobody remember the farce that was the Tommy Cooper Cup?
I was really looking forward to listening to Jim Gavin afterwards talking about how hard Wesmeath pushed them and how they are happy to have just gotten over them.
"You know in fairness Westmeath are a great side and we got the bounce of the ball at key times and pulled away in the last few minutes. I'd say that won't be the last we'll see of Westmeath this year because as I say they're a great side."
That would have been the jist of any interview.
Quote from: square_ball on June 25, 2017, 06:38:50 PM
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on June 25, 2017, 06:34:22 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 25, 2017, 06:32:30 PM
Dubs non-print media ban over the meeja's reporting on Connolly. Sweet Jebus.
All this talk of splitting the championship pisses me off. So what if Westmeath get hockeyed. We got hockeyed 4 years ago and all the talk was the same.
Since we have beaten Derry, Down, Monaghan and Laois in the championship. Where would you put us?
Does nobody remember the farce that was the Tommy Cooper Cup?
I was really looking forward to listening to Jim Gavin afterwards talking about how hard Wesmeath pushed them and how they are happy to have just gotten over them.
"You know in fairness Westmeath are a great side and we got the bounce of the ball at key times and pulled away in the last few minutes. I'd say that won't be the last we'll see of Westmeath this year because as I say they're a great side."
That would have been the jist of any interview.
Don't forget the smug smile off into the middle distance.
Jaysus I feel so guilty for bringing my young lad to watch Leinster football. Every game I come back thinking we do we bother as it is such a non event.
I can understand of course teams don't have the resources Dublin have but I can never understand their lack of fight and intensity, especially in the first half.
So many times a player gets a shot away with no power in the tackle at all. It's as if they just want to get the defeat over with so they can focus on the next game
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 25, 2017, 07:03:44 PM
Jaysus I feel so guilty for bringing my young lad to watch Leinster football. Every game I come back thinking we do we bother as it is such a non event.
I can understand of course teams don't have the resources Dublin have but I can never understand their lack of fight and intensity, especially in the first half.
So many times a player gets a shot away with no power in the tackle at all. It's as if they just want to get the defeat over with so they can focus on the next game
You're going to the wrong games ;). Westmeath scored 3-17 against Offaly last week. But yeah, they didn't believe they could win. Didn't want to be there. I don't know how the players are convinced to go back every year. They train their asses off when the chances of success are zero.
I know it didn't seem like it there today, but there are some excellent footballers on that WH team. But there are also some that wouldn't make some of the stronger club sides in Dublin. At that's where the gap shows. A player who started corner forward in the great semi win over Meath 2 years ago can't get a kick of a ball with Vincent's since he transferred to them last year. Heslin looked like a poor footballer today, but if he was full forward for Dublin he would have lit up Croke Park. It's hard to know what the answer is, but it sure isn't the Dublin team's fault. You have to admire them.
Quote from: shark on June 25, 2017, 07:11:57 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 25, 2017, 07:03:44 PM
Jaysus I feel so guilty for bringing my young lad to watch Leinster football. Every game I come back thinking we do we bother as it is such a non event.
I can understand of course teams don't have the resources Dublin have but I can never understand their lack of fight and intensity, especially in the first half.
So many times a player gets a shot away with no power in the tackle at all. It's as if they just want to get the defeat over with so they can focus on the next game
You're going to the wrong games ;). Westmeath scored 3-17 against Offaly last week. But yeah, they didn't believe they could win. Didn't want to be there. I don't know how the players are convinced to go back every year. They train their asses off when the chances of success are zero.
I know it didn't seem like it there today, but there are some excellent footballers on that WH team. But there are also some that wouldn't make some of the stronger club sides in Dublin. At that's where the gap shows. A player who started corner forward in the great semi win over Meath 2 years ago can't get a kick of a ball with Vincent's since he transferred to them last year. Heslin looked like a poor footballer today, but if he was full forward for Dublin he would have lit up Croke Park. It's hard to know what the answer is, but it sure isn't the Dublin team's fault. You have to admire them.
There are very few excellent footballers in that Westmeath team, even Heslin or Martin. How Cribbin is still there is beyond me.
Quote from: Syferus on June 25, 2017, 07:15:34 PM
Quote from: shark on June 25, 2017, 07:11:57 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 25, 2017, 07:03:44 PM
Jaysus I feel so guilty for bringing my young lad to watch Leinster football. Every game I come back thinking we do we bother as it is such a non event.
I can understand of course teams don't have the resources Dublin have but I can never understand their lack of fight and intensity, especially in the first half.
So many times a player gets a shot away with no power in the tackle at all. It's as if they just want to get the defeat over with so they can focus on the next game
You're going to the wrong games ;). Westmeath scored 3-17 against Offaly last week. But yeah, they didn't believe they could win. Didn't want to be there. I don't know how the players are convinced to go back every year. They train their asses off when the chances of success are zero.
I know it didn't seem like it there today, but there are some excellent footballers on that WH team. But there are also some that wouldn't make some of the stronger club sides in Dublin. At that's where the gap shows. A player who started corner forward in the great semi win over Meath 2 years ago can't get a kick of a ball with Vincent's since he transferred to them last year. Heslin looked like a poor footballer today, but if he was full forward for Dublin he would have lit up Croke Park. It's hard to know what the answer is, but it sure isn't the Dublin team's fault. You have to admire them.
There are very few excellent footballers in that Westmeath team, even Heslin or Martin. How Cribbin is still there is beyond me.
There are a few though. It will be impossible for me to convince you of that after today's game though. And Heslin is one of them. I'm certain the Dublin players who have played alongside him, like Mannion and McCaffrey would agree. Martin is somewhat one dimensional.
Anyone who has played football knows it's easier to look good playing on a winning team. If you took any one of the Dublin players in isolation and dropped them in to the WH team today they'd look useless too.
Quote from: shark on June 25, 2017, 07:23:17 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 25, 2017, 07:15:34 PM
Quote from: shark on June 25, 2017, 07:11:57 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 25, 2017, 07:03:44 PM
Jaysus I feel so guilty for bringing my young lad to watch Leinster football. Every game I come back thinking we do we bother as it is such a non event.
I can understand of course teams don't have the resources Dublin have but I can never understand their lack of fight and intensity, especially in the first half.
So many times a player gets a shot away with no power in the tackle at all. It's as if they just want to get the defeat over with so they can focus on the next game
You're going to the wrong games ;). Westmeath scored 3-17 against Offaly last week. But yeah, they didn't believe they could win. Didn't want to be there. I don't know how the players are convinced to go back every year. They train their asses off when the chances of success are zero.
I know it didn't seem like it there today, but there are some excellent footballers on that WH team. But there are also some that wouldn't make some of the stronger club sides in Dublin. At that's where the gap shows. A player who started corner forward in the great semi win over Meath 2 years ago can't get a kick of a ball with Vincent's since he transferred to them last year. Heslin looked like a poor footballer today, but if he was full forward for Dublin he would have lit up Croke Park. It's hard to know what the answer is, but it sure isn't the Dublin team's fault. You have to admire them.
There are very few excellent footballers in that Westmeath team, even Heslin or Martin. How Cribbin is still there is beyond me.
There are a few though. It will be impossible for me to convince you of that after today's game though. And Heslin is one of them. I'm certain the Dublin players who have played alongside him, like Mannion and McCaffrey would agree. Martin is somewhat one dimensional.
Anyone who has played football knows it's easier to look good playing on a winning team. If you took any one of the Dublin players in isolation and dropped them in to the WH team today they'd look useless too.
totally agree with this point. If you picked just one player from each team no matter which players and swapped them the reult would have been exactly the same with the same sort of difference.
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Jaysus I feel so guilty for bringing my young lad to watch Leinster football. Every game I come back thinking we do we bother as it is such a non event.
I can understand of course teams don't have the resources Dublin have but I can never understand their lack of fight and intensity, especially in the first half.
So many times a player gets a shot away with no power in the tackle at all. It's as if they just want to get the defeat over with so they can focus on the next game
You're going to the wrong games ;). Westmeath scored 3-17 against Offaly last week. But yeah, they didn't believe they could win. Didn't want to be there. I don't know how the players are convinced to go back every year. They train their asses off when the chances of success are zero.
I know it didn't seem like it there today, but there are some excellent footballers on that WH team. But there are also some that wouldn't make some of the stronger club sides in Dublin. At that's where the gap shows. A player who started corner forward in the great semi win over Meath 2 years ago can't get a kick of a ball with Vincent's since he transferred to them last year. Heslin looked like a poor footballer today, but if he was full forward for Dublin he would have lit up Croke Park. It's hard to know what the answer is, but it sure isn't the Dublin team's fault. You have to admire them.
There are very few excellent footballers in that Westmeath team, even Heslin or Martin. How Cribbin is still there is beyond me.
There are a few though. It will be impossible for me to convince you of that after today's game though. And Heslin is one of them. I'm certain the Dublin players who have played alongside him, like Mannion and McCaffrey would agree. Martin is somewhat one dimensional.
Anyone who has played football knows it's easier to look good playing on a winning team. If you took any one of the Dublin players in isolation and dropped them in to the WH team today they'd look useless too.
I've seen Heslin play against us in do-or-die matches and be marked out of it just as easily as today. Lad may have talent but there is a severe lack of purpose and belief in that Westmeath team, and even basic skills are lacking. I knew after seeing them in 2015 that Cribbin was a terrible manager so the fact he's there in 2017 tells me a hell of a lot about Westmeath GAA.
Westmeath today reminded me a lot of their county board
not a clue what they are doing and no desire to have a plan to turn things around
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Quote from: Fuzzman on June 25, 2017, 07:03:44 PM
Jaysus I feel so guilty for bringing my young lad to watch Leinster football. Every game I come back thinking we do we bother as it is such a non event.
I can understand of course teams don't have the resources Dublin have but I can never understand their lack of fight and intensity, especially in the first half.
So many times a player gets a shot away with no power in the tackle at all. It's as if they just want to get the defeat over with so they can focus on the next game
You're going to the wrong games ;). Westmeath scored 3-17 against Offaly last week. But yeah, they didn't believe they could win. Didn't want to be there. I don't know how the players are convinced to go back every year. They train their asses off when the chances of success are zero.
I know it didn't seem like it there today, but there are some excellent footballers on that WH team. But there are also some that wouldn't make some of the stronger club sides in Dublin. At that's where the gap shows. A player who started corner forward in the great semi win over Meath 2 years ago can't get a kick of a ball with Vincent's since he transferred to them last year. Heslin looked like a poor footballer today, but if he was full forward for Dublin he would have lit up Croke Park. It's hard to know what the answer is, but it sure isn't the Dublin team's fault. You have to admire them.
There are very few excellent footballers in that Westmeath team, even Heslin or Martin. How Cribbin is still there is beyond me.
There are a few though. It will be impossible for me to convince you of that after today's game though. And Heslin is one of them. I'm certain the Dublin players who have played alongside him, like Mannion and McCaffrey would agree. Martin is somewhat one dimensional.
Anyone who has played football knows it's easier to look good playing on a winning team. If you took any one of the Dublin players in isolation and dropped them in to the WH team today they'd look useless too.
I've seen Heslin play against us in do-or-die matches and be marked out of it just as easily as today. Lad may have talent but there is a severe lack of purpose and belief in that Westmeath team, and even basic skills are lacking. I knew after seeing them in 2015 that Cribbin was a terrible manager so the fact he's there in 2017 tells me a hell of a lot about Westmeath GAA.
It tells you that there is no money there. Cribben is liked by the county board as he doesn't cost much and doesn't spend much.
Heslin has never played a do or die match against Ros. He has played 1 league game, if that's what you refer to. In that game Ros were so far ahead all over the field that any forward would be easy marked.
Anyway you have your opinion, I have mine. An intercounty team is as strong as its weakest links, from 1-21. Westmeath's weakest are way below the level needed to compete with Dublin. And they won't be getting any stronger, players aren't there. Same players will keep plugging away though I'm sure.
I see after a few good posts elsewhere Syferus is back to posting drivel again
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 25, 2017, 07:42:45 PM
Westmeath today reminded me a lot of their county board
not a clue what they are doing and no desire to have a plan to turn things around
To turn things around one would probably have to look to put Westmeath in Connacht. There they'd have a chance of winning a Provincial Title at least. Staying in Leinster under present circumstances and trying to spend your way out of this hole is not viable option.
People talk about Dublin and the fade out factor. How many of the 2011 winning team started today. This is a work in progress!
Dublin are class but in Leinster teams just let them have their way. Feck it, even a late hit would be something but its just let them do what they want.
Every team should be able to rattle it for 20 minutes surely?
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Quote from: Fuzzman on June 25, 2017, 07:03:44 PM
Jaysus I feel so guilty for bringing my young lad to watch Leinster football. Every game I come back thinking we do we bother as it is such a non event.
I can understand of course teams don't have the resources Dublin have but I can never understand their lack of fight and intensity, especially in the first half.
So many times a player gets a shot away with no power in the tackle at all. It's as if they just want to get the defeat over with so they can focus on the next game
You're going to the wrong games ;). Westmeath scored 3-17 against Offaly last week. But yeah, they didn't believe they could win. Didn't want to be there. I don't know how the players are convinced to go back every year. They train their asses off when the chances of success are zero.
I know it didn't seem like it there today, but there are some excellent footballers on that WH team. But there are also some that wouldn't make some of the stronger club sides in Dublin. At that's where the gap shows. A player who started corner forward in the great semi win over Meath 2 years ago can't get a kick of a ball with Vincent's since he transferred to them last year. Heslin looked like a poor footballer today, but if he was full forward for Dublin he would have lit up Croke Park. It's hard to know what the answer is, but it sure isn't the Dublin team's fault. You have to admire them.
There are very few excellent footballers in that Westmeath team, even Heslin or Martin. How Cribbin is still there is beyond me.
There are a few though. It will be impossible for me to convince you of that after today's game though. And Heslin is one of them. I'm certain the Dublin players who have played alongside him, like Mannion and McCaffrey would agree. Martin is somewhat one dimensional.
Anyone who has played football knows it's easier to look good playing on a winning team. If you took any one of the Dublin players in isolation and dropped them in to the WH team today they'd look useless too.
I've seen Heslin play against us in do-or-die matches and be marked out of it just as easily as today. Lad may have talent but there is a severe lack of purpose and belief in that Westmeath team, and even basic skills are lacking. I knew after seeing them in 2015 that Cribbin was a terrible manager so the fact he's there in 2017 tells me a hell of a lot about Westmeath GAA.
It tells you that there is no money there. Cribben is liked by the county board as he doesn't cost much and doesn't spend much.
Heslin has never played a do or die match against Ros. He has played 1 league game, if that's what you refer to. In that game Ros were so far ahead all over the field that any forward would be easy marked.
Anyway you have your opinion, I have mine. An intercounty team is as strong as its weakest links, from 1-21. Westmeath's weakest are way below the level needed to compete with Dublin. And they won't be getting any stronger, players aren't there. Same players will keep plugging away though I'm sure.
It was a game where Westmeath had just come down from D1 with the specter of going straight down to D3 if they lost. For a county so far off the pace in their province that's far more do-or-die than any Leinster match they have faced in a long time. We had only came up from D3 that season so we had no business being so far ahead of Westmeath. If Heslin or that team had anything about them it would have shown that day. We played very poorly that day so it was incredible to me how far off the pace Westmeath were even despite that.
When you look at counties like Fermanagh, Longford, Monagahan and even Cavan and ourselves Westmeath have absolutely no excuse for being this bad. A manager being liked by the CB never stopped one being thrown out by the clubs here.. where's the leadership in the county?
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on June 25, 2017, 08:11:11 PM
Dublin are class but in Leinster teams just let them have their way. Feck it, even a late hit would be something but its just let them do what they want.
Every team should be able to rattle it for 20 minutes surely?
Exactly, think there was only 1 card & that was well into 2nd half. At least try to get into Dubs faces, hit them hard, take a card or 2. Don't just stand back admiring them. Spineless stuff
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Quote from: Fuzzman on June 25, 2017, 07:03:44 PM
Jaysus I feel so guilty for bringing my young lad to watch Leinster football. Every game I come back thinking we do we bother as it is such a non event.
I can understand of course teams don't have the resources Dublin have but I can never understand their lack of fight and intensity, especially in the first half.
So many times a player gets a shot away with no power in the tackle at all. It's as if they just want to get the defeat over with so they can focus on the next game
You're going to the wrong games ;). Westmeath scored 3-17 against Offaly last week. But yeah, they didn't believe they could win. Didn't want to be there. I don't know how the players are convinced to go back every year. They train their asses off when the chances of success are zero.
I know it didn't seem like it there today, but there are some excellent footballers on that WH team. But there are also some that wouldn't make some of the stronger club sides in Dublin. At that's where the gap shows. A player who started corner forward in the great semi win over Meath 2 years ago can't get a kick of a ball with Vincent's since he transferred to them last year. Heslin looked like a poor footballer today, but if he was full forward for Dublin he would have lit up Croke Park. It's hard to know what the answer is, but it sure isn't the Dublin team's fault. You have to admire them.
There are very few excellent footballers in that Westmeath team, even Heslin or Martin. How Cribbin is still there is beyond me.
There are a few though. It will be impossible for me to convince you of that after today's game though. And Heslin is one of them. I'm certain the Dublin players who have played alongside him, like Mannion and McCaffrey would agree. Martin is somewhat one dimensional.
Anyone who has played football knows it's easier to look good playing on a winning team. If you took any one of the Dublin players in isolation and dropped them in to the WH team today they'd look useless too.
I've seen Heslin play against us in do-or-die matches and be marked out of it just as easily as today. Lad may have talent but there is a severe lack of purpose and belief in that Westmeath team, and even basic skills are lacking. I knew after seeing them in 2015 that Cribbin was a terrible manager so the fact he's there in 2017 tells me a hell of a lot about Westmeath GAA.
It tells you that there is no money there. Cribben is liked by the county board as he doesn't cost much and doesn't spend much.
Heslin has never played a do or die match against Ros. He has played 1 league game, if that's what you refer to. In that game Ros were so far ahead all over the field that any forward would be easy marked.
Anyway you have your opinion, I have mine. An intercounty team is as strong as its weakest links, from 1-21. Westmeath's weakest are way below the level needed to compete with Dublin. And they won't be getting any stronger, players aren't there. Same players will keep plugging away though I'm sure.
It was a game where Westmeath had just come down from D1 with the specter of going straight down to D3 if they lost. For a county so far off the pace in their province that's far more do-or-die than any Leinster match they have faced in a long time. We had only came up from D3 that season so we had no business being so far ahead of Westmeath. If Heslin or that team had anything about them it would have shown that day. We played very poorly that day so it was incredible to me how far off the pace Westmeath were even despite that.
When you look at counties like Fermanagh, Longford, Monagahan and even Cavan and ourselves Westmeath have absolutely no excuse for being this bad. A manager being liked by the CB never stopped one being thrown out by the clubs here.. where's the leadership in the county?
I remember the game, and you describe it well. Except that league games are never do or die in this organisation. It's all about championship.
That team beat Meath two months later , for the first time in the county's history. Heslin shot the lights out. They beat Kildare 12 months later. I'm not that old, but I remember a time when the very thought of those results would be pure fantasy.
All those counties you mention have also suffered hammerings in the past few years. And only have to fund 1 sport. Westmeath hurlers have beaten Offaly, Kilkenny and Wexford in senior, u21 and minor championships respectively, in the very recent past. That doesn't come cheap, resource-wise.
There is plenty to complain about, and the county board are far from perfect. But as mentioned above, how do you fix it? They will be getting hammerings like today off Dublin for as long as the Leinster football championship exists.
Anyway, the point I initially made, about there being some excellent footballers on that WH team, I stand by. Today isn't a good day to back that up. Maybe they can get a run in the qualifiers. Will be hoping for Wexford/Carlow, but Armagh/Cavan would not be insurmountable challenges.
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Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 25, 2017, 07:42:45 PM
Westmeath today reminded me a lot of their county board
not a clue what they are doing and no desire to have a plan to turn things around
To turn things around one would probably have to look to put Westmeath in Connacht. There they'd have a chance of winning a Provincial Title at least. Staying in Leinster under present circumstances and trying to spend your way out of this hole is not viable option.
People talk about Dublin and the fade out factor. How many of the 2011 winning team started today. This is a work in progress!
4 maybe 5 (not sure if Scully was minor) I'm 2011 played in the ai minor final against us in 2011, Costello played that day too and Fenton didn't make their minor panel that year......its some turn around from a single minor team
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Quote from: Captain Scarlet on June 25, 2017, 08:11:11 PM
Dublin are class but in Leinster teams just let them have their way. Feck it, even a late hit would be something but its just let them do what they want.
Every team should be able to rattle it for 20 minutes surely?
Exactly, think there was only 1 card & that was well into 2nd half. At least try to get into Dubs faces, hit them hard, take a card or 2. Don't just stand back admiring them. Spineless stuff
Heslin picked up a card in the first few minutes for some mysterious reason. It was clear in the first 10 minutes that Westmeath had no intention of dragging the game down into a dogfight.
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Quote from: sambostar on June 25, 2017, 08:31:50 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on June 25, 2017, 08:11:11 PM
Dublin are class but in Leinster teams just let them have their way. Feck it, even a late hit would be something but its just let them do what they want.
Every team should be able to rattle it for 20 minutes surely?
Exactly, think there was only 1 card & that was well into 2nd half. At least try to get into Dubs faces, hit them hard, take a card or 2. Don't just stand back admiring them. Spineless stuff
Heslin picked up a card in the first few minutes for some mysterious reason. It was clear in the first 10 minutes that Westmeath had no intention of dragging the game down into a dogfight.
He was mouthing for not getting a free when he was dispossessed Dublin immediately got a soft one..should have been a black but refs eh!
Lane was very harsh on Dublin at times after they went 20 ahead so these things will balance out when they get their usual favourable decisions in September.
Does this margin of defeat equal the Milltown Malbay massacre in 1978? 31 pts now a Leinster record I think. 4 pts more than our effort 4 years ago :-[
Today was a huge mismatch but that shouldn't take from yet another sublime display of Gaelic football by this Dublin team. However, I expect that the manner of Dublin's win will not faze Kildare as it will shift the focus away from Kildare and onto Dublin and that is surely what Kildare would want.
I think there might be a great Leinster final in prospect.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on June 25, 2017, 09:46:43 PM
Today was a huge mismatch but that shouldn't take from yet another sublime display of Gaelic football by this Dublin team. However, I expect that the manner of Dublin's win will not faze Kildare as it will shift the focus away from Kildare and onto Dublin and that is surely what Kildare would want.
I think there might be a great Leinster final in prospect.
Talking the game up in the hope for away support to turn up for this game. Must have be depressing all on your own today in Croker?
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on June 25, 2017, 09:46:43 PM
Today was a huge mismatch but that shouldn't take from yet another sublime display of Gaelic football by this Dublin team. However, I expect that the manner of Dublin's win will not faze Kildare as it will shift the focus away from Kildare and onto Dublin and that is surely what Kildare would want.
I think there might be a great Leinster final in prospect.
Only 12 months since Westmeath knocked Kildare out, 2 years since Dublin knocked 5 goals past Kildare, we are improving but still a long way off. As long as we at least stand up physically I'll be happy, a performance like Westmeath's today would be a disaster and end all progress that has been made. It would be the final nail on the Leinster championship's coffin.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on June 25, 2017, 09:46:43 PM
Today was a huge mismatch but that shouldn't take from yet another sublime display of Gaelic football by this Dublin team. However, I expect that the manner of Dublin's win will not faze Kildare as it will shift the focus away from Kildare and onto Dublin and that is surely what Kildare would want.
I think there might be a great Leinster final in prospect.
The rest of us think another boring execution is in prospect, THIB.
You always seemed like a good skin but trying to dress up anyone in Leinster or indeed any of the other provinces as realistic contenders is a bit much. Surely even Dublin supporters are bored to tears by these depressing spectacles masquerading as sporting contests?
Wouldn't Dublin be better off in the long run helping the other counties reach higher levels and making the championship an actual competition instead of a duck shoot? What is happening now is not viable for the future of this sport.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on June 25, 2017, 09:46:43 PM
Today was a huge mismatch but that shouldn't take from yet another sublime display of Gaelic football by this Dublin team. However, I expect that the manner of Dublin's win will not faze Kildare as it will shift the focus away from Kildare and onto Dublin and that is surely what Kildare would want.
I think there might be a great Leinster final in prospect.
Why have Kildare won the lotto and not told anyone? Today the divide between the have and the have nots was evident. Until all counties are funded with equal resources the dubs will not be beat in Leinster and possibly in Ireland. It's a disgrace lads.
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Quote from: The Hill is Blue on June 25, 2017, 09:46:43 PM
Today was a huge mismatch but that shouldn't take from yet another sublime display of Gaelic football by this Dublin team. However, I expect that the manner of Dublin's win will not faze Kildare as it will shift the focus away from Kildare and onto Dublin and that is surely what Kildare would want.
I think there might be a great Leinster final in prospect.
Why have Kildare won the lotto and not told anyone? Today the divide between the have and the have nots was evident. Until all counties are funded with equal resources the dubs will not be beat in Leinster and possibly in Ireland. It's a disgrace lads.
Do dublin hurlers not get the same funding? Where is their total domination? It isn't down to funding, the dubs simply have a great group of players.
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Quote from: The Hill is Blue on June 25, 2017, 09:46:43 PM
Today was a huge mismatch but that shouldn't take from yet another sublime display of Gaelic football by this Dublin team. However, I expect that the manner of Dublin's win will not faze Kildare as it will shift the focus away from Kildare and onto Dublin and that is surely what Kildare would want.
I think there might be a great Leinster final in prospect.
Why have Kildare won the lotto and not told anyone? Today the divide between the have and the have nots was evident. Until all counties are funded with equal resources the dubs will not be beat in Leinster and possibly in Ireland. It's a disgrace lads.
Do dublin hurlers not get the same funding? Where is their total domination? It isn't down to funding, the dubs simply have a great group of players.
Some of the best Dublin hurlers are on the senior football team, just as some of Cork's best footballers have been on their hurling team in the past.
It's a pity some try to trot this argument out when Dublin have made absolutely unprecedented in-roads into hurling over the last decade.
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Quote from: The Hill is Blue on June 25, 2017, 09:46:43 PM
Today was a huge mismatch but that shouldn't take from yet another sublime display of Gaelic football by this Dublin team. However, I expect that the manner of Dublin's win will not faze Kildare as it will shift the focus away from Kildare and onto Dublin and that is surely what Kildare would want.
I think there might be a great Leinster final in prospect.
Why have Kildare won the lotto and not told anyone? Today the divide between the have and the have nots was evident. Until all counties are funded with equal resources the dubs will not be beat in Leinster and possibly in Ireland. It's a disgrace lads.
Do dublin hurlers not get the same funding? Where is their total domination? It isn't down to funding, the dubs simply have a great group of players.
You just keep the blinkers on! You'll be all the more happier with your teams success that way. Acknowledging money being involved in your success can take the gleam off of things.
Ha! ignoring home advantage and support teams due to financial disparity Kildare are a work in progress. There is a massive will in the media for us to be competitive in the final and have over stated our display against Meath but the pragmatic Kildare fan knows we will be beat. What we are looking for is a performance, we are a young side but promotion and Leinster final means our realistic targets have been achieved. A quarter final appearance would be a nice bonus.
Dublin do not want a competitive Leinster why would they? They will be setting out to hammer Kildare, our players need to believe they can compete. I think they will but Dublin by about 7.
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Quote from: lenny on June 25, 2017, 10:19:33 PM
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Quote from: The Hill is Blue on June 25, 2017, 09:46:43 PM
Today was a huge mismatch but that shouldn't take from yet another sublime display of Gaelic football by this Dublin team. However, I expect that the manner of Dublin's win will not faze Kildare as it will shift the focus away from Kildare and onto Dublin and that is surely what Kildare would want.
I think there might be a great Leinster final in prospect.
Why have Kildare won the lotto and not told anyone? Today the divide between the have and the have nots was evident. Until all counties are funded with equal resources the dubs will not be beat in Leinster and possibly in Ireland. It's a disgrace lads.
Do dublin hurlers not get the same funding? Where is their total domination? It isn't down to funding, the dubs simply have a great group of players.
You just keep the blinkers on! You'll be all the more happier with your teams success that way. Acknowledging money being involved in your success can take the gleam off of things.
It would be like a Chelsea fan denying money has anything to do with their success. It amazes me how often this line of a great bunch of players gets thrown out this isn't the 50s, players are nurtured and developed through the best of coaching and sports science at a very considerable cost. All the advantages, imagine if Kerry got to play all their remaining matches at home...
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Quote from: lenny on June 25, 2017, 10:19:33 PM
Quote from: rrhf on June 25, 2017, 10:09:26 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on June 25, 2017, 09:46:43 PM
Today was a huge mismatch but that shouldn't take from yet another sublime display of Gaelic football by this Dublin team. However, I expect that the manner of Dublin's win will not faze Kildare as it will shift the focus away from Kildare and onto Dublin and that is surely what Kildare would want.
I think there might be a great Leinster final in prospect.
Why have Kildare won the lotto and not told anyone? Today the divide between the have and the have nots was evident. Until all counties are funded with equal resources the dubs will not be beat in Leinster and possibly in Ireland. It's a disgrace lads.
Do dublin hurlers not get the same funding? Where is their total domination? It isn't down to funding, the dubs simply have a great group of players.
You just keep the blinkers on! You'll be all the more happier with your teams success that way. Acknowledging money being involved in your success can take the gleam off of things.
It would be like a Chelsea fan denying money has anything to do with their success. It amazes me how often this line of a great bunch of players gets thrown out this isn't the 50s, players are nurtured and developed through the best of coaching and sports science at a very considerable cost. All the advantages, imagine if Kerry got to play all their remaining matches at home...
They'd still lose to Dublin. Their advantages are that great.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 25, 2017, 10:26:43 PM
Ha! ignoring home advantage and support teams due to financial disparity Kildare are a work in progress. There is a massive will in the media for us to be competitive in the final and have over stated our display against Meath but the pragmatic Kildare fan knows we will be beat. What we are looking for is a performance, we are a young side but promotion and Leinster final means our realistic targets have been achieved. A quarter final appearance would be a nice bonus.
Dublin do not want a competitive Leinster why would they? They will be setting out to hammer Kildare, our players need to believe they can compete. I think they will but Dublin by about 7.
Getting your excuses in early. Sad - as The Donald might say.
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 25, 2017, 10:26:43 PM
Ha! ignoring home advantage and support teams due to financial disparity Kildare are a work in progress. There is a massive will in the media for us to be competitive in the final and have over stated our display against Meath but the pragmatic Kildare fan knows we will be beat. What we are looking for is a performance, we are a young side but promotion and Leinster final means our realistic targets have been achieved. A quarter final appearance would be a nice bonus.
Dublin do not want a competitive Leinster why would they? They will be setting out to hammer Kildare, our players need to believe they can compete. I think they will but Dublin by about 7.
Getting your excuses in early. Sad - as The Donald might say.
This reminds me of those Scientology documentaries, people so indoctrinated they can't do anything but parrot the institutional line. In the case of Dublin it's deny that they play all their games at home, ignore their massive population and infrastructure advantages and the fact they soak up more grant money and sponsorship money than almost all other counties combined.
Sad - as anyone would say.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 25, 2017, 09:58:58 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on June 25, 2017, 09:46:43 PM
Today was a huge mismatch but that shouldn't take from yet another sublime display of Gaelic football by this Dublin team. However, I expect that the manner of Dublin's win will not faze Kildare as it will shift the focus away from Kildare and onto Dublin and that is surely what Kildare would want.
I think there might be a great Leinster final in prospect.
Talking the game up in the hope for away support to turn up for this game. Must have be depressing all on your own today in Croker?
Not at all depressing with over 33,000 other supporters there.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on June 25, 2017, 10:48:57 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 25, 2017, 09:58:58 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on June 25, 2017, 09:46:43 PM
Today was a huge mismatch but that shouldn't take from yet another sublime display of Gaelic football by this Dublin team. However, I expect that the manner of Dublin's win will not faze Kildare as it will shift the focus away from Kildare and onto Dublin and that is surely what Kildare would want.
I think there might be a great Leinster final in prospect.
Talking the game up in the hope for away support to turn up for this game. Must have be depressing all on your own today in Croker?
Not at all depressing with over 33,000 other supporters there.
And nearly all on your own watching the game!
Realistically this Dublin team will probably win at least 5 or more all irelands in a row and 20 Leinster. At what point will it becom apparent that the professional approach actually replenishes the players and they are unbeatable as a county. My point is that we need to resource all county set ups evenly money wise.
Quote from: rrhf on June 25, 2017, 11:41:36 PM
Realistically this Dublin team will probably win at least 5 or more all irelands in a row and 20 Leinster. At what point will it becom apparent that the professional approach actually replenishes the players and they are unbeatable as a county. My point is that we need to resource all county set ups evenly money wise.
The thing is there is no mention in general in the media about this. It's almost like a bad word to mention the money. Not even the Bould Brolly dares to open his mouth. Why?
Because it's nonsense. Population and the hard work of volunteers is a huge part of it too. Of course funding should be available to all counties and those with good plans should be supported but Dublin's population will ensure most counties will rarely compete with them again.
Quote from: Zulu on June 25, 2017, 11:59:04 PM
Because it's nonsense. Population and the hard work of volunteers is a huge part of it too. Of course funding should be available to all counties and those with good plans should be supported but Dublin's population will ensure most counties will rarely compete with them again.
I'm not going to converse with you ZULU. You look at the world through Dublin eyes. You care not for how Westmeath were humiliated today. Your interest is only in the BIG guns.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 26, 2017, 12:10:05 AM
Quote from: Zulu on June 25, 2017, 11:59:04 PM
Because it's nonsense. Population and the hard work of volunteers is a huge part of it too. Of course funding should be available to all counties and those with good plans should be supported but Dublin's population will ensure most counties will rarely compete with them again.
I'm not going to converse with you ZULU. You look at the world through Dublin eyes. You care not for how Westmeath were humiliated today. Your interest is only in the BIG guns.
+1. Either a Dub or a WUM.
Complete nonsense. All you post recently when it comes to Dublin is their funding when any rational person would acknowledge that there's more to their dominance than that. Please show me your posts bemoaning the financial, and more, advantages Mayo enjoy over Leitrim and others? The GAA has never been a fair fight so why all the moaning now from people whose counties have enjoyed massive advantages for 100 years or more?
If you want to argue that there should be a better spread of funding then fair enough but if you think that will make a big difference then you're in cloud cuckoo land.
Quote from: Syferus on June 26, 2017, 12:19:37 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 26, 2017, 12:10:05 AM
Quote from: Zulu on June 25, 2017, 11:59:04 PM
Because it's nonsense. Population and the hard work of volunteers is a huge part of it too. Of course funding should be available to all counties and those with good plans should be supported but Dublin's population will ensure most counties will rarely compete with them again.
I'm not going to converse with you ZULU. You look at the world through Dublin eyes. You care not for how Westmeath were humiliated today. Your interest is only in the BIG guns.
+1. Either a Dub or a WUM.
Please stop talking shite. A WUM would be someone talking about splitting Cork and amalgamating Longford, Westmeath and Roscommon into one team.
Quote from: Zulu on June 25, 2017, 11:59:04 PM
Because it's nonsense. Population and the hard work of volunteers is a huge part of it too. Of course funding should be available to all counties and those with good plans should be supported but Dublin's population will ensure most counties will rarely compete with them again.
Population yes volunteers is no every county has hard working volunteers.
Dublin have many organic factors population and culture being one. It's the inorganic factors that you are your ilk refuse to recognise as the primary factors for Dublin's success finance and home advantage. It's not rocket science..
Quote from: Zulu on June 26, 2017, 12:20:45 AM
Complete nonsense. All you post recently when it comes to Dublin is their funding when any rational person would acknowledge that there's more to their dominance than that. Please show me your posts bemoaning the financial, and more, advantages Mayo enjoy over Leitrim and others? The GAA has never been a fair fight so why all the moaning now from people whose counties have enjoyed massive advantages for 100 years or more?
If you want to argue that there should be a better spread of funding then fair enough but if you think that will make a big difference then you're in cloud cuckoo land.
You are right it's not just about funding! It's about home advantage! It about lads with jobs that make them full time professionals. It's about sponsorship. It's about sleeping in your own bed the night before a big game. It's about providing top facilities on your doorstep. It's about controlling the media and blackening players that are a threat to your team. But hey stick your Blue head in the sand and enjoy the ride. Cos it going to last a long time. But there aint going to be many outsiders watching when it's over.
Quote from: Zulu on June 26, 2017, 12:20:45 AM
Complete nonsense. All you post recently when it comes to Dublin is their funding when any rational person would acknowledge that there's more to their dominance than that. Please show me your posts bemoaning the financial, and more, advantages Mayo enjoy over Leitrim and others? The GAA has never been a fair fight so why all the moaning now from people whose counties have enjoyed massive advantages for 100 years or more?
Mayo is roughly comparable in size to the likes of Kerry, Donegal and has always had a populous competitor in their own province. Leitrim is an outlier on the smaller side, it is they themselves that suffer from this. Having Dublin with the population of a province is ridiculous and you know perfectly well it is ridiculous yet you keep coming on here defending it like a DUP spokesman defending the Plantation of Ulster.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 26, 2017, 12:28:02 AM
Quote from: Zulu on June 25, 2017, 11:59:04 PM
Because it's nonsense. Population and the hard work of volunteers is a huge part of it too. Of course funding should be available to all counties and those with good plans should be supported but Dublin's population will ensure most counties will rarely compete with them again.
Population yes volunteers is no every county has hard working volunteers.
Dublin have many organic factors population and culture being one. It's the inorganic factors that you are your ilk refuse to recognise as the primary factors for Dublin's success finance and home advantage. It's not rocket science..
I'm not refusing to recognise anything Dinny. Population, when harnessed, is the most significant factor. Not every county has the same number of hard working volunteers. Dublin would have loads of volunteers and with success they are very focused and kids are very engaged.
Of course money is a factor, a significant one, and if anyone is talking about a fairer distribution of funding or increasing funding to certain counties I'd be in total agreement but Dublin will always be a strong because they have the numbers and are now organised.
I'm not in favour of hindering Dublin but I'm completely supportive of helping other counties.
Quote from: Zulu on June 26, 2017, 12:45:23 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 26, 2017, 12:28:02 AM
Quote from: Zulu on June 25, 2017, 11:59:04 PM
Because it's nonsense. Population and the hard work of volunteers is a huge part of it too. Of course funding should be available to all counties and those with good plans should be supported but Dublin's population will ensure most counties will rarely compete with them again.
Population yes volunteers is no every county has hard working volunteers.
Dublin have many organic factors population and culture being one. It's the inorganic factors that you are your ilk refuse to recognise as the primary factors for Dublin's success finance and home advantage. It's not rocket science..
I'm not refusing to recognise anything Dinny. Population, when harnessed, is the most significant factor. Not every county has the same number of hard working volunteers. Dublin would have loads of volunteers and with success they are very focused and kids are very engaged.
Of course money is a factor, a significant one, and if anyone is talking about a fairer distribution of funding or increasing funding to certain counties I'd be in total agreement but Dublin will always be a strong because they have the numbers and are now organised.
I'm not in favour of hindering Dublin but I'm completely supportive of helping other counties.
No shít.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 26, 2017, 12:29:41 AM
It's about controlling the media and blackening players that are a threat to your team.
Did you have any criticism at the time for James Horan's comments in relation to Donegal and Michael Murphy and Joe McQuillan. They certainly intended to blacken the names of those people.
I'd also be interested to see what you felt about Kevin McStay going on a crusade to get Philly McMahon banned against Mayo.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 26, 2017, 12:29:41 AM
Quote from: Zulu on June 26, 2017, 12:20:45 AM
Complete nonsense. All you post recently when it comes to Dublin is their funding when any rational person would acknowledge that there's more to their dominance than that. Please show me your posts bemoaning the financial, and more, advantages Mayo enjoy over Leitrim and others? The GAA has never been a fair fight so why all the moaning now from people whose counties have enjoyed massive advantages for 100 years or more?
If you want to argue that there should be a better spread of funding then fair enough but if you think that will make a big difference then you're in cloud cuckoo land.
You are right it's not just about funding! It's about home advantage! It about lads with jobs that make them full time professionals. It's about sponsorship. It's about sleeping in your own bed the night before a big game. It's about providing top facilities on your doorstep. It's about controlling the media and blackening players that are a threat to your team. But hey stick your Blue head in the sand and enjoy the ride. Cos it going to last a long time. But there aint going to be many outsiders watching when it's over.
Right, Mayo and Kerry certainly enjoy a significant media presence and play the game as well as anyone else. Croke Park is our national stadium and both players and many supporters want to be there though I'd imagine few Dub supporters have any problem travelling to games.
According to the Cunningham on the radio today Dublin aren't the only county getting meals provided or have jobs that make them fulltime professionals.
Perhaps rather than complaining about 'professional' players (proof please) or the big bad media (with as many Mayo lads as anyone) you can lay out how you are going to make it a level playing field for the likes of Leitrim, Mayo and Dublin?
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 26, 2017, 12:46:43 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 26, 2017, 12:29:41 AM
It's about controlling the media and blackening players that are a threat to your team.
Did you have any criticism at the time for James Horan's comments in relation to Donegal and Michael Murphy and Joe McQuillan. They certainly intended to blacken the names of those people.
I'd also be interested to see what you felt about Kevin McStay going on a crusade to get Philly McMahon banned against Mayo.
Totally agree! Yeah! The Big guns do this all the time! Don't remember the Philly gig but you can be sure it happened! Luckily you come from a county who never partake in any of that sort of mind games. You are so lucky. Blessed I'd say!
Quote from: armaghniac on June 26, 2017, 12:43:47 AM
Quote from: Zulu on June 26, 2017, 12:20:45 AM
Complete nonsense. All you post recently when it comes to Dublin is their funding when any rational person would acknowledge that there's more to their dominance than that. Please show me your posts bemoaning the financial, and more, advantages Mayo enjoy over Leitrim and others? The GAA has never been a fair fight so why all the moaning now from people whose counties have enjoyed massive advantages for 100 years or more?
Mayo is roughly comparable in size to the likes of Kerry, Donegal and has always had a populous competitor in their own province. Leitrim is an outlier on the smaller side, it is they themselves that suffer from this. Having Dublin with the population of a province is ridiculous and you know perfectly well it is ridiculous yet you keep coming on here defending it like a DUP spokesman defending the Plantation of Ulster.
Leitrim isn't the only example, what about Carlow, Longford, Cavan, Monaghan, or the hurling counties in Munster? Many counties have significantly smaller population and financial support than the likes of Mayo or Kerry so what makes Dublin unique?
Quote from: Syferus on June 26, 2017, 12:46:34 AM
Quote from: Zulu on June 26, 2017, 12:45:23 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 26, 2017, 12:28:02 AM
Quote from: Zulu on June 25, 2017, 11:59:04 PM
Because it's nonsense. Population and the hard work of volunteers is a huge part of it too. Of course funding should be available to all counties and those with good plans should be supported but Dublin's population will ensure most counties will rarely compete with them again.
Population yes volunteers is no every county has hard working volunteers.
Dublin have many organic factors population and culture being one. It's the inorganic factors that you are your ilk refuse to recognise as the primary factors for Dublin's success finance and home advantage. It's not rocket science..
I'm not refusing to recognise anything Dinny. Population, when harnessed, is the most significant factor. Not every county has the same number of hard working volunteers. Dublin would have loads of volunteers and with success they are very focused and kids are very engaged.
Of course money is a factor, a significant one, and if anyone is talking about a fairer distribution of funding or increasing funding to certain counties I'd be in total agreement but Dublin will always be a strong because they have the numbers and are now organised.
I'm not in favour of hindering Dublin but I'm completely supportive of helping other counties.
No shít.
Please expand on your plan to keep provincial championships while amalgamating counties and splitting others. Otherwise leave the adults to talk.
Something of interest in terms of the split of A and B from Conan Doherty on joe.ie
Put it this way, if the championship was divided two ways in 2017 based off the top two divisions of the national league and the bottom two divisions of the national league, you'd still have had these results.
Laois 4-15 Longford 0-16
Kildare 2-16 Meath 0-13
Tyrone 0-22 Derry 0-11
Monaghan 1-20 Fermanagh 1-11
And that was before the Dubs hammered Westmeath today. Kildare were Div 3 last year and would have been B. Now they would be fancied to do something in Super 8.
There is so much flux that it is so hard to sort out the division.
Quote from: Zulu on June 26, 2017, 12:55:56 AM
Quote from: Syferus on June 26, 2017, 12:46:34 AM
Quote from: Zulu on June 26, 2017, 12:45:23 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 26, 2017, 12:28:02 AM
Quote from: Zulu on June 25, 2017, 11:59:04 PM
Because it's nonsense. Population and the hard work of volunteers is a huge part of it too. Of course funding should be available to all counties and those with good plans should be supported but Dublin's population will ensure most counties will rarely compete with them again.
Population yes volunteers is no every county has hard working volunteers.
Dublin have many organic factors population and culture being one. It's the inorganic factors that you are your ilk refuse to recognise as the primary factors for Dublin's success finance and home advantage. It's not rocket science..
I'm not refusing to recognise anything Dinny. Population, when harnessed, is the most significant factor. Not every county has the same number of hard working volunteers. Dublin would have loads of volunteers and with success they are very focused and kids are very engaged.
Of course money is a factor, a significant one, and if anyone is talking about a fairer distribution of funding or increasing funding to certain counties I'd be in total agreement but Dublin will always be a strong because they have the numbers and are now organised.
I'm not in favour of hindering Dublin but I'm completely supportive of helping other counties.
No shít.
Please expand on your plan to keep provincial championships while amalgamating counties and splitting others. Otherwise leave the adults to talk.
???
Quote from: Zulu on June 26, 2017, 12:51:57 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 26, 2017, 12:29:41 AM
Quote from: Zulu on June 26, 2017, 12:20:45 AM
Complete nonsense. All you post recently when it comes to Dublin is their funding when any rational person would acknowledge that there's more to their dominance than that. Please show me your posts bemoaning the financial, and more, advantages Mayo enjoy over Leitrim and others? The GAA has never been a fair fight so why all the moaning now from people whose counties have enjoyed massive advantages for 100 years or more?
If you want to argue that there should be a better spread of funding then fair enough but if you think that will make a big difference then you're in cloud cuckoo land.
You are right it's not just about funding! It's about home advantage! It about lads with jobs that make them full time professionals. It's about sponsorship. It's about sleeping in your own bed the night before a big game. It's about providing top facilities on your doorstep. It's about controlling the media and blackening players that are a threat to your team. But hey stick your Blue head in the sand and enjoy the ride. Cos it going to last a long time. But there aint going to be many outsiders watching when it's over.
Right, Mayo and Kerry certainly enjoy a significant media presence and play the game as well as anyone else. Croke Park is our national stadium and both players and many supporters want to be there though I'd imagine few Dub supporters have any problem travelling to games.
According to the Cunningham on the radio today Dublin aren't the only county getting meals provided or have jobs that make them fulltime professionals.
Perhaps rather than complaining about 'professional' players (proof please) or the big bad media (with as many Mayo lads as anyone) you can lay out how you are going to make it a level playing field for the likes of Leitrim, Mayo and Dublin?
We are not talking about a level playing field. We are talking about a Hill that has become a mountain. There is no way back. the GAA have set where we are in stone and it will be the end of our games in the long run. The GAA don't care at the moment and probably wont care in the future. Luckily there is still a club scene that most of us can go back to within our county. That has been and will be the savour of the game within most counties.
Sorry I thought that was a coherent idea you had but apparently you were just throwing out random shite as you don't have any solution to the problems we have. So, just to be crystal clear, we split Dublin and leave everything else as it is and we will be ok?
Quote from: Zulu on June 26, 2017, 12:45:23 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 26, 2017, 12:28:02 AM
Quote from: Zulu on June 25, 2017, 11:59:04 PM
Because it's nonsense. Population and the hard work of volunteers is a huge part of it too. Of course funding should be available to all counties and those with good plans should be supported but Dublin's population will ensure most counties will rarely compete with them again.
Population yes volunteers is no every county has hard working volunteers.
Dublin have many organic factors population and culture being one. It's the inorganic factors that you are your ilk refuse to recognise as the primary factors for Dublin's success finance and home advantage. It's not rocket science..
I'm not refusing to recognise anything Dinny. Population, when harnessed, is the most significant factor. Not every county has the same number of hard working volunteers. Dublin would have loads of volunteers and with success they are very focused and kids are very engaged.
Of course money is a factor, a significant one, and if anyone is talking about a fairer distribution of funding or increasing funding to certain counties I'd be in total agreement but Dublin will always be a strong because they have the numbers and are now organised.
I'm not in favour of hindering Dublin but I'm completely supportive of helping other counties.
Dublin have never been as dominant in Leinster as they are now, they have always had success due to population and tradition/culture but two major significant changes happened in the last 15 years Bertie and the GAA started pumping millions into Dublin at a vastly disproportionate rate and then inexplicably Dublin have been allowed commandeer Croke Park as their home venue. Anyone who knows anything about sport knows the more you invest the more chance of success, likewise teams win more at home than away. I can't imagine any sport that allows one play at home for all its games in it's primary competition.
The only people that should enjoy Dublin should be economists...it really is a Freakonomics podcast in waiting..
Quote from: Zulu on June 26, 2017, 01:05:13 AM
Sorry I thought that was a coherent idea you had but apparently you were just throwing out random shite as you don't have any solution to the problems we have. So, just to be crystal clear, we split Dublin and leave everything else as it is and we will be ok?
You seem to be getting very upset now that everyone has cottoned on to how ridiculous and intransient your stance is. You're talking about adults when it's you who has some growing up left to do.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 26, 2017, 01:03:13 AM
Quote from: Zulu on June 26, 2017, 12:51:57 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 26, 2017, 12:29:41 AM
Quote from: Zulu on June 26, 2017, 12:20:45 AM
Complete nonsense. All you post recently when it comes to Dublin is their funding when any rational person would acknowledge that there's more to their dominance than that. Please show me your posts bemoaning the financial, and more, advantages Mayo enjoy over Leitrim and others? The GAA has never been a fair fight so why all the moaning now from people whose counties have enjoyed massive advantages for 100 years or more?
If you want to argue that there should be a better spread of funding then fair enough but if you think that will make a big difference then you're in cloud cuckoo land.
You are right it's not just about funding! It's about home advantage! It about lads with jobs that make them full time professionals. It's about sponsorship. It's about sleeping in your own bed the night before a big game. It's about providing top facilities on your doorstep. It's about controlling the media and blackening players that are a threat to your team. But hey stick your Blue head in the sand and enjoy the ride. Cos it going to last a long time. But there aint going to be many outsiders watching when it's over.
Right, Mayo and Kerry certainly enjoy a significant media presence and play the game as well as anyone else. Croke Park is our national stadium and both players and many supporters want to be there though I'd imagine few Dub supporters have any problem travelling to games.
According to the Cunningham on the radio today Dublin aren't the only county getting meals provided or have jobs that make them fulltime professionals.
Perhaps rather than complaining about 'professional' players (proof please) or the big bad media (with as many Mayo lads as anyone) you can lay out how you are going to make it a level playing field for the likes of Leitrim, Mayo and Dublin?
We are not talking about a level playing field. We are talking about a Hill that has become a mountain. There is no way back. the GAA have set where we are in stone and it will be the end of our games in the long run. The GAA don't care at the moment and probably wont care in the future. Luckily there is still a club scene that most of us can go back to within our county. That has been and will be the savour of the game within most counties.
Ok, so it's fine for Mayo have inherent advantages over Leitrim but not Dublin? The GAA do care and are redistributing funding but a county with near 2 million people will, usually, be the best in the country when most other counties have less than 200,000 people. So the only way to change that is to split them but if you are splitting Dublin then why not other counties that have big populations?
Quote from: Zulu on June 26, 2017, 01:05:13 AM
Sorry I thought that was a coherent idea you had but apparently you were just throwing out random shite as you don't have any solution to the problems we have. So, just to be crystal clear, we split Dublin and leave everything else as it is and we will be ok?
Do you not see the Problems? Do you not see the HUGE inequality? What is your solution? And don't say that cash cow Super 8 is?
Quote from: Zulu on June 26, 2017, 12:54:18 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 26, 2017, 12:43:47 AM
Quote from: Zulu on June 26, 2017, 12:20:45 AM
Complete nonsense. All you post recently when it comes to Dublin is their funding when any rational person would acknowledge that there's more to their dominance than that. Please show me your posts bemoaning the financial, and more, advantages Mayo enjoy over Leitrim and others? The GAA has never been a fair fight so why all the moaning now from people whose counties have enjoyed massive advantages for 100 years or more?
Mayo is roughly comparable in size to the likes of Kerry, Donegal and has always had a populous competitor in their own province. Leitrim is an outlier on the smaller side, it is they themselves that suffer from this. Having Dublin with the population of a province is ridiculous and you know perfectly well it is ridiculous yet you keep coming on here defending it like a DUP spokesman defending the Plantation of Ulster.
Leitrim isn't the only example, what about Carlow, Longford, Cavan, Monaghan, or the hurling counties in Munster? Many counties have significantly smaller population and financial support than the likes of Mayo or Kerry so what makes Dublin unique?
As I said, if a smaller county is happy to play then any disadvantage comes on themselves, not those they play. The population of Mayo is twice that of Monaghan, the population of Dublin is 10 times Mayo. Competitive games will still happen with a two or threefold difference, not with a 10 fold one. The hurling counties of Munster have a big population, if hurling is more popular then that is not the same thing at all.
Quote from: Zulu on June 26, 2017, 01:08:57 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 26, 2017, 01:03:13 AM
Quote from: Zulu on June 26, 2017, 12:51:57 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 26, 2017, 12:29:41 AM
Quote from: Zulu on June 26, 2017, 12:20:45 AM
Complete nonsense. All you post recently when it comes to Dublin is their funding when any rational person would acknowledge that there's more to their dominance than that. Please show me your posts bemoaning the financial, and more, advantages Mayo enjoy over Leitrim and others? The GAA has never been a fair fight so why all the moaning now from people whose counties have enjoyed massive advantages for 100 years or more?
If you want to argue that there should be a better spread of funding then fair enough but if you think that will make a big difference then you're in cloud cuckoo land.
You are right it's not just about funding! It's about home advantage! It about lads with jobs that make them full time professionals. It's about sponsorship. It's about sleeping in your own bed the night before a big game. It's about providing top facilities on your doorstep. It's about controlling the media and blackening players that are a threat to your team. But hey stick your Blue head in the sand and enjoy the ride. Cos it going to last a long time. But there aint going to be many outsiders watching when it's over.
Right, Mayo and Kerry certainly enjoy a significant media presence and play the game as well as anyone else. Croke Park is our national stadium and both players and many supporters want to be there though I'd imagine few Dub supporters have any problem travelling to games.
According to the Cunningham on the radio today Dublin aren't the only county getting meals provided or have jobs that make them fulltime professionals.
Perhaps rather than complaining about 'professional' players (proof please) or the big bad media (with as many Mayo lads as anyone) you can lay out how you are going to make it a level playing field for the likes of Leitrim, Mayo and Dublin?
We are not talking about a level playing field. We are talking about a Hill that has become a mountain. There is no way back. the GAA have set where we are in stone and it will be the end of our games in the long run. The GAA don't care at the moment and probably wont care in the future. Luckily there is still a club scene that most of us can go back to within our county. That has been and will be the savour of the game within most counties.
Ok, so it's fine for Mayo have inherent advantages over Leitrim but not Dublin? The GAA do care and are redistributing funding but a county with near 2 million people will, usually, be the best in the country when most other counties have less than 200,000 people. So the only way to change that is to split them but if you are splitting Dublin then why not other counties that have big populations?
What counties do you suggest?
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 26, 2017, 01:06:05 AM
Quote from: Zulu on June 26, 2017, 12:45:23 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 26, 2017, 12:28:02 AM
Quote from: Zulu on June 25, 2017, 11:59:04 PM
Because it's nonsense. Population and the hard work of volunteers is a huge part of it too. Of course funding should be available to all counties and those with good plans should be supported but Dublin's population will ensure most counties will rarely compete with them again.
Population yes volunteers is no every county has hard working volunteers.
Dublin have many organic factors population and culture being one. It's the inorganic factors that you are your ilk refuse to recognise as the primary factors for Dublin's success finance and home advantage. It's not rocket science..
I'm not refusing to recognise anything Dinny. Population, when harnessed, is the most significant factor. Not every county has the same number of hard working volunteers. Dublin would have loads of volunteers and with success they are very focused and kids are very engaged.
Of course money is a factor, a significant one, and if anyone is talking about a fairer distribution of funding or increasing funding to certain counties I'd be in total agreement but Dublin will always be a strong because they have the numbers and are now organised.
I'm not in favour of hindering Dublin but I'm completely supportive of helping other counties.
Dublin have never been as dominant in Leinster as they are now, they have always had success due to population and tradition/culture but two major significant changes happened in the last 15 years Bertie and the GAA started pumping millions into Dublin at a vastly disproportionate rate and then inexplicably Dublin have been allowed commandeer Croke Park as their home venue. Anyone who knows anything about sport knows the more you invest the more chance of success, likewise teams win more at home than away. I can't imagine any sport that allows one play at home for all its games in it's primary competition.
The only people that should enjoy Dublin should be economists...it really is a Freakonomics podcast in waiting..
Dinny, you know as well as I do that for the bulk of the GAA's existence Dublin were not tapping into their population. They are now and are getting way more kids involve in the GAA than they did in the past. This is being reflected in their performances on the pitch. Coaching standards have improved too so young kids are becoming more rounded footballers. Bigger numbers and better coaching means better Dublin players.
I couldn't care less where Dublin play but I have no issue with accommodating crowds of 50K+ in the only ground that can handle it. Not bothered about where Dublin play myself.
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Quote from: Zulu on June 26, 2017, 01:05:13 AM
Sorry I thought that was a coherent idea you had but apparently you were just throwing out random shite as you don't have any solution to the problems we have. So, just to be crystal clear, we split Dublin and leave everything else as it is and we will be ok?
You seem to be getting very upset now that everyone has cottoned on to how ridiculous and intransient your stance is. You're talking about adults when it's you who has some growing up left to do.
What's ridiculous about it? Are you taking back your suggestion of amalgamating teams? Just so I know what the hell you actually think.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 26, 2017, 01:10:25 AM
Quote from: Zulu on June 26, 2017, 01:05:13 AM
Sorry I thought that was a coherent idea you had but apparently you were just throwing out random shite as you don't have any solution to the problems we have. So, just to be crystal clear, we split Dublin and leave everything else as it is and we will be ok?
Do you not see the Problems? Do you not see the HUGE inequality? What is your solution? And don't say that cash cow Super 8 is?
So, you agree we should split counties and amalgamate others? Do you really think that's a realistic solution?
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 26, 2017, 12:53:49 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 26, 2017, 12:46:43 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 26, 2017, 12:29:41 AM
It's about controlling the media and blackening players that are a threat to your team.
Did you have any criticism at the time for James Horan's comments in relation to Donegal and Michael Murphy and Joe McQuillan. They certainly intended to blacken the names of those people.
I'd also be interested to see what you felt about Kevin McStay going on a crusade to get Philly McMahon banned against Mayo.
Totally agree! Yeah! The Big guns do this all the time! Don't remember the Philly gig but you can be sure it happened! Luckily you come from a county who never partake in any of that sort of mind games. You are so lucky. Blessed I'd say!
I just find the indignation about this incident a bit funny considering your own county partake in similar methods.
1. Stop the ridiculous funding
2. Move them out of Croke Park for the league and Leinster bar the final
3. Sell the shirt sponsorship for every county to the highest bidder, funds go into a central pot.
4. Cap all expenditure, any over spend to be hit with wealth tax as per the AFL
That's just off the top of my head if the GAA want fair and equitable games they need to think more socialist less capitalist.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 26, 2017, 01:11:45 AM
Quote from: Zulu on June 26, 2017, 12:54:18 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 26, 2017, 12:43:47 AM
Quote from: Zulu on June 26, 2017, 12:20:45 AM
Complete nonsense. All you post recently when it comes to Dublin is their funding when any rational person would acknowledge that there's more to their dominance than that. Please show me your posts bemoaning the financial, and more, advantages Mayo enjoy over Leitrim and others? The GAA has never been a fair fight so why all the moaning now from people whose counties have enjoyed massive advantages for 100 years or more?
Mayo is roughly comparable in size to the likes of Kerry, Donegal and has always had a populous competitor in their own province. Leitrim is an outlier on the smaller side, it is they themselves that suffer from this. Having Dublin with the population of a province is ridiculous and you know perfectly well it is ridiculous yet you keep coming on here defending it like a DUP spokesman defending the Plantation of Ulster.
Leitrim isn't the only example, what about Carlow, Longford, Cavan, Monaghan, or the hurling counties in Munster? Many counties have significantly smaller population and financial support than the likes of Mayo or Kerry so what makes Dublin unique?
As I said, if a smaller county is happy to play then any disadvantage comes on themselves, not those they play. The population of Mayo is twice that of Monaghan, the population of Dublin is 10 times Mayo. Competitive games will still happen with a two or threefold difference, not with a 10 fold one. The hurling counties of Munster have a big population, if hurling is more popular then that is not the same thing at all.
Ok, so if Mayo have a population 5 times that of Leitrim it's ok as Leitrim are happy to tog and if some counties prefer hurling that's ok but it's not ok if Dublin have 10 times the population of Mayo? Antrim, Cork and Down have 15 times the population of Leitrim or Longford is that a problem?
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 26, 2017, 01:18:19 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 26, 2017, 12:53:49 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 26, 2017, 12:46:43 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 26, 2017, 12:29:41 AM
It's about controlling the media and blackening players that are a threat to your team.
Did you have any criticism at the time for James Horan's comments in relation to Donegal and Michael Murphy and Joe McQuillan. They certainly intended to blacken the names of those people.
I'd also be interested to see what you felt about Kevin McStay going on a crusade to get Philly McMahon banned against Mayo.
Totally agree! Yeah! The Big guns do this all the time! Don't remember the Philly gig but you can be sure it happened! Luckily you come from a county who never partake in any of that sort of mind games. You are so lucky. Blessed I'd say!
I just find the indignation about this incident a bit funny considering your own county partake in similar methods.
So do you agree with your county partaking in mind games yourself or would you rather them to be squeeky clean?
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 26, 2017, 01:18:38 AM
1. Stop the ridiculous funding
2. Move them out of Croke Park for the league and Leinster bar the final
3. Sell the shirt sponsorship for every county to the highest bidder, funds go into a central pot.
4. Cap all expenditure, any over spend to be hit with wealth tax as per the AFL
That's just off the top of my head if the GAA want fair and equitable games they need to think more socialist less capitalist.
It's late but I don't have any real issue with that.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 26, 2017, 01:12:41 AM
Quote from: Zulu on June 26, 2017, 01:08:57 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 26, 2017, 01:03:13 AM
Quote from: Zulu on June 26, 2017, 12:51:57 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 26, 2017, 12:29:41 AM
Quote from: Zulu on June 26, 2017, 12:20:45 AM
Complete nonsense. All you post recently when it comes to Dublin is their funding when any rational person would acknowledge that there's more to their dominance than that. Please show me your posts bemoaning the financial, and more, advantages Mayo enjoy over Leitrim and others? The GAA has never been a fair fight so why all the moaning now from people whose counties have enjoyed massive advantages for 100 years or more?
If you want to argue that there should be a better spread of funding then fair enough but if you think that will make a big difference then you're in cloud cuckoo land.
You are right it's not just about funding! It's about home advantage! It about lads with jobs that make them full time professionals. It's about sponsorship. It's about sleeping in your own bed the night before a big game. It's about providing top facilities on your doorstep. It's about controlling the media and blackening players that are a threat to your team. But hey stick your Blue head in the sand and enjoy the ride. Cos it going to last a long time. But there aint going to be many outsiders watching when it's over.
Right, Mayo and Kerry certainly enjoy a significant media presence and play the game as well as anyone else. Croke Park is our national stadium and both players and many supporters want to be there though I'd imagine few Dub supporters have any problem travelling to games.
According to the Cunningham on the radio today Dublin aren't the only county getting meals provided or have jobs that make them fulltime professionals.
Perhaps rather than complaining about 'professional' players (proof please) or the big bad media (with as many Mayo lads as anyone) you can lay out how you are going to make it a level playing field for the likes of Leitrim, Mayo and Dublin?
We are not talking about a level playing field. We are talking about a Hill that has become a mountain. There is no way back. the GAA have set where we are in stone and it will be the end of our games in the long run. The GAA don't care at the moment and probably wont care in the future. Luckily there is still a club scene that most of us can go back to within our county. That has been and will be the savour of the game within most counties.
Ok, so it's fine for Mayo have inherent advantages over Leitrim but not Dublin? The GAA do care and are redistributing funding but a county with near 2 million people will, usually, be the best in the country when most other counties have less than 200,000 people. So the only way to change that is to split them but if you are splitting Dublin then why not other counties that have big populations?
What counties do you suggest?
I don't think we should be splitting any counties.
Quote from: Zulu on June 26, 2017, 01:21:01 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 26, 2017, 01:11:45 AM
Quote from: Zulu on June 26, 2017, 12:54:18 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 26, 2017, 12:43:47 AM
Quote from: Zulu on June 26, 2017, 12:20:45 AM
Complete nonsense. All you post recently when it comes to Dublin is their funding when any rational person would acknowledge that there's more to their dominance than that. Please show me your posts bemoaning the financial, and more, advantages Mayo enjoy over Leitrim and others? The GAA has never been a fair fight so why all the moaning now from people whose counties have enjoyed massive advantages for 100 years or more?
Mayo is roughly comparable in size to the likes of Kerry, Donegal and has always had a populous competitor in their own province. Leitrim is an outlier on the smaller side, it is they themselves that suffer from this. Having Dublin with the population of a province is ridiculous and you know perfectly well it is ridiculous yet you keep coming on here defending it like a DUP spokesman defending the Plantation of Ulster.
Leitrim isn't the only example, what about Carlow, Longford, Cavan, Monaghan, or the hurling counties in Munster? Many counties have significantly smaller population and financial support than the likes of Mayo or Kerry so what makes Dublin unique?
As I said, if a smaller county is happy to play then any disadvantage comes on themselves, not those they play. The population of Mayo is twice that of Monaghan, the population of Dublin is 10 times Mayo. Competitive games will still happen with a two or threefold difference, not with a 10 fold one. The hurling counties of Munster have a big population, if hurling is more popular then that is not the same thing at all.
Ok, so if Mayo have a population 5 times that of Leitrim it's ok as Leitrim are happy to tog and if some counties prefer hurling that's ok but it's not ok if Dublin have 10 times the population of Mayo? Antrim, Cork and Down have 15 times the population of Leitrim or Longford is that a problem?
ARE YOU HAPPY WITH THE WAY DUBLIN GAA ARE GETTING THE EXTRA ADVANTAGES? SIMPLE YES OR NO?
I know you don't attend matches, you live in the UK! Spend no money on going/travelling to GAA matches!
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 26, 2017, 01:18:38 AM
1. Stop the ridiculous funding
2. Move them out of Croke Park for the league and Leinster bar the final
3. Sell the shirt sponsorship for every county to the highest bidder, funds go into a central pot.
4. Cap all expenditure, any over spend to be hit with wealth tax as per the AFL
That's just off the top of my head if the GAA want fair and equitable games they need to think more socialist less capitalist.
All major American sports implement hard caps and a multitude of other measures aimed to redistribute wealth and support smaller market teams because they know the only way the product is viable long term is with as much parity as humanly possible.
Why Zulu refuses to see the forest for the trees is a question that comes back to intention - is he part of the Dublin support network that willfully ignores all these facts or is he just on here on an alt account to try to wind up others? I have my doubts at this stage.
Quote from: Zulu on June 26, 2017, 01:22:39 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 26, 2017, 01:18:38 AM
1. Stop the ridiculous funding
2. Move them out of Croke Park for the league and Leinster bar the final
3. Sell the shirt sponsorship for every county to the highest bidder, funds go into a central pot.
4. Cap all expenditure, any over spend to be hit with wealth tax as per the AFL
That's just off the top of my head if the GAA want fair and equitable games they need to think more socialist less capitalist.
It's late but I don't have any real issue with that.
Romantic Ireland is dead though.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 26, 2017, 01:29:22 AM
Quote from: Zulu on June 26, 2017, 01:22:39 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 26, 2017, 01:18:38 AM
1. Stop the ridiculous funding
2. Move them out of Croke Park for the league and Leinster bar the final
3. Sell the shirt sponsorship for every county to the highest bidder, funds go into a central pot.
4. Cap all expenditure, any over spend to be hit with wealth tax as per the AFL
That's just off the top of my head if the GAA want fair and equitable games they need to think more socialist less capitalist.
It's late but I don't have any real issue with that.
Romantic Ireland is dead though.
That it is! That it is!
But the Dublin volunteer is alive and kicking and making the real difference!
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 25, 2017, 10:24:56 PM
Quote from: lenny on June 25, 2017, 10:19:33 PM
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Quote from: The Hill is Blue on June 25, 2017, 09:46:43 PM
Today was a huge mismatch but that shouldn't take from yet another sublime display of Gaelic football by this Dublin team. However, I expect that the manner of Dublin's win will not faze Kildare as it will shift the focus away from Kildare and onto Dublin and that is surely what Kildare would want.
I think there might be a great Leinster final in prospect.
Why have Kildare won the lotto and not told anyone? Today the divide between the have and the have nots was evident. Until all counties are funded with equal resources the dubs will not be beat in Leinster and possibly in Ireland. It's a disgrace lads.
Do dublin hurlers not get the same funding? Where is their total domination? It isn't down to funding, the dubs simply have a great group of players.
You just keep the blinkers on! You'll be all the more happier with your teams success that way. Acknowledging money being involved in your success can take the gleam off of things.
Dublin aren't as dominant as kerry were in the 70s and I didn't hear anyone say then it was all to do with money. Kerry simply got credit for being a good team. Dublin hurlers are getting the same funding and looked like they were improving significantly but now look like they have gone backwards a good bit. The fundings still the same so results aren't directly related to funding. The dubs simply have a superb group of players and a great manager, let's just enjoy them and give them credit. Having said that it wouldn't surprise me at all if kerry, mayo or tyrone beat them this year, they are nowhere near unbeatable.
Quote from: lenny on June 26, 2017, 06:45:25 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 25, 2017, 10:24:56 PM
Quote from: lenny on June 25, 2017, 10:19:33 PM
Quote from: rrhf on June 25, 2017, 10:09:26 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on June 25, 2017, 09:46:43 PM
Today was a huge mismatch but that shouldn't take from yet another sublime display of Gaelic football by this Dublin team. However, I expect that the manner of Dublin's win will not faze Kildare as it will shift the focus away from Kildare and onto Dublin and that is surely what Kildare would want.
I think there might be a great Leinster final in prospect.
Why have Kildare won the lotto and not told anyone? Today the divide between the have and the have nots was evident. Until all counties are funded with equal resources the dubs will not be beat in Leinster and possibly in Ireland. It's a disgrace lads.
Do dublin hurlers not get the same funding? Where is their total domination? It isn't down to funding, the dubs simply have a great group of players.
You just keep the blinkers on! You'll be all the more happier with your teams success that way. Acknowledging money being involved in your success can take the gleam off of things.
Dublin aren't as dominant as kerry were in the 70s and I didn't hear anyone say then it was all to do with money. Kerry simply got credit for being a good team. Dublin hurlers are getting the same funding and looked like they were improving significantly but now look like they have gone backwards a good bit. The fundings still the same so results aren't directly related to funding. The dubs simply have a superb group of players and a great manager, let's just enjoy them and give them credit. Having said that it wouldn't surprise me at all if kerry, mayo or tyrone beat them this year, they are nowhere near unbeatable.
nobody was getting the funding in the 70s that they are now
Kerry were just better footballers than everyone
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 26, 2017, 08:10:10 AM
nobody was getting the funding in the 70s that they are now
Kerry were just better footballers than everyone
Exactly as Dublin are now. But we all know there is very little between Dublin, Kerry and Mayo (assuming the latter get their house back in order) - and Tyrone would have no fear of Dublin either.
Dublin's senior footballers get looked after no better than the other top counties.
Absolutely true that only the Leinster final should be in Croke Park - but Dublin only have a 1/12th vote in that. The other Leinster counties could implement keeping Dubs out of Croker for Leinster semis very easily and choose not to.
Population of course plays a part, especially the last 20 years where there has been an ever increasing drive of culchies into the Pale. Young Con's father and grandfather both great Westmeath GAA men apparently.
Quote from: Hound on June 26, 2017, 08:30:19 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 26, 2017, 08:10:10 AM
nobody was getting the funding in the 70s that they are now
Kerry were just better footballers than everyone
Exactly as Dublin are now. But we all know there is very little between Dublin, Kerry and Mayo (assuming the latter get their house back in order) - and Tyrone would have no fear of Dublin either.
Dublin's senior footballers get looked after no better than the other top counties.
Absolutely true that only the Leinster final should be in Croke Park - but Dublin only have a 1/12th vote in that. The other Leinster counties could implement keeping Dubs out of Croker for Leinster semis very easily and choose not to.
Population of course plays a part, especially the last 20 years where there has been an ever increasing drive of culchies into the Pale. Young Con's father and grandfather both great Westmeath GAA men apparently.
How many county players get to take a week off work before a big game?
How many county players get a free car to drive around in?
All Dublin players got/get the above two points......other top counties dont. They are well looked after but to say they are treated the same as the Dubs is untrue
The senior team is just the tip of the iceberg. I know full well that other counties are spending massive amounts of money to even stay in the arms race that is Senior IC team preparations.
But it's the 1m+ euro every year for nigh on 20 years that is the real game changer. This money is being pumped into coaching and development and is being pumped in BY the GAA, not raised and spent by Dublin. When you have 20 years of investment into coaching like that, it's a bit rich to blame other counties for not being able to keep pace.
As I've said before, if the coaching money makes very little difference, then give it back and distribute it to the other counties. The next highest allocation is about 5% of that figure annually.
I've said this a million times, Dublin cannot be blamed for taking advantage of this funding. They have done a great job. But when the GAA hands a competitive advantage to a county which already has a lot of inherent advantages (which I don't mind and is part of the magic of playing Dublin) then it is an unsustainable situation.
Take Dublin's level of funding down to that of all the other teams, and then let the crops bloom in 5-10 years time and see where we are. Or alternatively increase all other teams to the same Per player funding, but I don't think the GAA has that sort of money.
Kerry are raising money like demons just to have a semblance of what Dublin has, and they are hoping that their own inherent advantages (no distractions, complete focus on Kerry football) take them past the Dubs. Mayo similarly.
Doing what Donegal did with their fundraising allows you to have a short burst of competitiveness at the top table because they invest in preparation of that senior team, but the next generation are not being coached like they are in Dublin, so you're back to square one again.
Again, it's not Dublins fault. They have used it brilliantly. Other counties might squander it. But they have cultivated a process to produce excellently coached players, on the back of GAA funding denied to other counties, and that is in my view very wrong.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 26, 2017, 09:03:13 AM
The senior team is just the tip of the iceberg. I know full well that other counties are spending massive amounts of money to even stay in the arms race that is Senior IC team preparations.
But it's the 1m+ euro every year for nigh on 20 years that is the real game changer. This money is being pumped into coaching and development and is being pumped in BY the GAA, not raised and spent by Dublin. When you have 20 years of investment into coaching like that, it's a bit rich to blame other counties for not being able to keep pace.
As I've said before, if the coaching money makes very little difference, then give it back and distribute it to the other counties. The next highest allocation is about 5% of that figure annually.
I've said this a million times, Dublin cannot be blamed for taking advantage of this funding. They have done a great job. But when the GAA hands a competitive advantage to a county which already has a lot of inherent advantages (which I don't mind and is part of the magic of playing Dublin) then it is an unsustainable situation.
Take Dublin's level of funding down to that of all the other teams, and then let the crops bloom in 5-10 years time and see where we are. Or alternatively increase all other teams to the same Per player funding, but I don't think the GAA has that sort of money.
Kerry are raising money like demons just to have a semblance of what Dublin has, and they are hoping that their own inherent advantages (no distractions, complete focus on Kerry football) take them past the Dubs. Mayo similarly.
Doing what Donegal did with their fundraising allows you to have a short burst of competitiveness at the top table because they invest in preparation of that senior team, but the next generation are not being coached like they are in Dublin, so you're back to square one again.
Again, it's not Dublins fault. They have used it brilliantly. Other counties might squander it. But they have cultivated a process to produce excellently coached players, on the back of GAA funding denied to other counties, and that is in my view very wrong.
Do you just make this stuff up off the top of your head?
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 26, 2017, 09:03:13 AM
The senior team is just the tip of the iceberg. I know full well that other counties are spending massive amounts of money to even stay in the arms race that is Senior IC team preparations.
But it's the 1m+ euro every year for nigh on 20 years that is the real game changer. This money is being pumped into coaching and development and is being pumped in BY the GAA, not raised and spent by Dublin. When you have 20 years of investment into coaching like that, it's a bit rich to blame other counties for not being able to keep pace.
As I've said before, if the coaching money makes very little difference, then give it back and distribute it to the other counties. The next highest allocation is about 5% of that figure annually.
I've said this a million times, Dublin cannot be blamed for taking advantage of this funding. They have done a great job. But when the GAA hands a competitive advantage to a county which already has a lot of inherent advantages (which I don't mind and is part of the magic of playing Dublin) then it is an unsustainable situation.
Take Dublin's level of funding down to that of all the other teams, and then let the crops bloom in 5-10 years time and see where we are. Or alternatively increase all other teams to the same Per player funding, but I don't think the GAA has that sort of money.
Kerry are raising money like demons just to have a semblance of what Dublin has, and they are hoping that their own inherent advantages (no distractions, complete focus on Kerry football) take them past the Dubs. Mayo similarly.
Doing what Donegal did with their fundraising allows you to have a short burst of competitiveness at the top table because they invest in preparation of that senior team, but the next generation are not being coached like they are in Dublin, so you're back to square one again.
Again, it's not Dublins fault. They have used it brilliantly. Other counties might squander it. But they have cultivated a process to produce excellently coached players, on the back of GAA funding denied to other counties, and that is in my view very wrong.
Is this 20 years of funding not going towards hurling also? Why have they not taken over in hurling then? They made some progress in hurling but have slipped backwards again. If it's all down to funding you would expect them to be dominating in hurling after 20 years of funding.
Quote from: heffo on June 26, 2017, 09:10:27 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 26, 2017, 09:03:13 AM
The senior team is just the tip of the iceberg. I know full well that other counties are spending massive amounts of money to even stay in the arms race that is Senior IC team preparations.
But it's the 1m+ euro every year for nigh on 20 years that is the real game changer. This money is being pumped into coaching and development and is being pumped in BY the GAA, not raised and spent by Dublin. When you have 20 years of investment into coaching like that, it's a bit rich to blame other counties for not being able to keep pace.
As I've said before, if the coaching money makes very little difference, then give it back and distribute it to the other counties. The next highest allocation is about 5% of that figure annually.
I've said this a million times, Dublin cannot be blamed for taking advantage of this funding. They have done a great job. But when the GAA hands a competitive advantage to a county which already has a lot of inherent advantages (which I don't mind and is part of the magic of playing Dublin) then it is an unsustainable situation.
Take Dublin's level of funding down to that of all the other teams, and then let the crops bloom in 5-10 years time and see where we are. Or alternatively increase all other teams to the same Per player funding, but I don't think the GAA has that sort of money.
Kerry are raising money like demons just to have a semblance of what Dublin has, and they are hoping that their own inherent advantages (no distractions, complete focus on Kerry football) take them past the Dubs. Mayo similarly.
Doing what Donegal did with their fundraising allows you to have a short burst of competitiveness at the top table because they invest in preparation of that senior team, but the next generation are not being coached like they are in Dublin, so you're back to square one again.
Again, it's not Dublins fault. They have used it brilliantly. Other counties might squander it. But they have cultivated a process to produce excellently coached players, on the back of GAA funding denied to other counties, and that is in my view very wrong.
Do you just make this stuff up off the top of your head?
when was the development 'plan' launched? Apologies If it's only 10 years or so. The annual figure in the reports I saw was 1.4 million so I did underestimate that. Apologies.
Apologies, I fact checked. It appears it is 'only' since 2005. So 12 years, not 20. but when you factor in an average of 1.4 million say, then it's approx 16.8 million they've received. I've seen the range from 1.35 mill to 1.69 mill. I mistakenly thought it was Peter Quinn who decided Dublin needed competitive advantages to fight off Rugby and Soccer. Apparently it was later than that.
Quote from: Hound on June 26, 2017, 08:30:19 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 26, 2017, 08:10:10 AM
nobody was getting the funding in the 70s that they are now
Kerry were just better footballers than everyone
Exactly as Dublin are now. But we all know there is very little between Dublin, Kerry and Mayo (assuming the latter get their house back in order) - and Tyrone would have no fear of Dublin either.
Dublin's senior footballers get looked after no better than the other top counties.
Absolutely true that only the Leinster final should be in Croke Park - but Dublin only have a 1/12th vote in that. The other Leinster counties could implement keeping Dubs out of Croker for Leinster semis very easily and choose not to.
Population of course plays a part, especially the last 20 years where there has been an ever increasing drive of culchies into the Pale. Young Con's father and grandfather both great Westmeath GAA men apparently.
You're bang on about population anyway Hound. While that is a political factor, there's no point discussing that here.
So even if Dublin's funding was cut/spread evenly or whatever would it make a difference? Dublin fans might argue that they are the reason the GAA get so much money because so many follow them. But the population will always be there so they will always get bumper crowds, even if Kilkenny entered a team next year and were drawn to play them.
So what to do? I'm against splitting or amalgamating counties ::) anyway. Should funding be capped, absolutely, yet the population will ensure they will get more money anyway. Should the funds be spread evenly? I would argue that they should but surely to God the likes of Westmeath who got such a hiding yesterday should be shouting from the heavens to get that. I mean it's all right discussing it on gaaboard, but why don't the other counties highlight it at congress, Central council or somewhere their voices can actually be heard?
PS, did anyone look for their money back yesterday? Total mismatch from the word go it seems. I thought Kildare might run Dublin close. Unfortunately for Dinny and co I can't see that happening at all.
Would pumping the entire GNP of a small African country into the likes of us, Leitrim etc make any difference.
Nope.
I blame the Brits........if you want to balance things off forget the county boundaries for the summer competition and create 16 'counties' or, God forbid 'franchises' and run a Super competition of 4*4 groups. Balance the number of senior clubs as close as possible withing each 'county'.
Go back to the 32 counties for the winter leagues and scrap the now almost meaningless provincials (bar Ulster and they can run this as they see fit).
*runs out of room*
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 26, 2017, 09:49:12 AM
Would pumping the entire GNP of a small African country into the likes of us, Leitrim etc make any difference.
Nope.
I blame the Brits........if you want to balance things off forget the county boundaries for the summer competition and create 16 'counties' or, God forbid 'franchises' and run a Super competition of 4*4 groups. Balance the number of senior clubs as close as possible withing each 'county'.
Go back to the 32 counties for the winter leagues and scrap the now almost meaningless provincials (bar Ulster and they can run this as they see fit).
*runs out of room*
Of course it would SS. It wouldn't turn ye into Dublin because of the other factors around population, but I guarantee you it would make ye more competitive if you had a scatter of full time coaches roaming the county, maximising the talent and resources ye do have. That's the issue, there's only one county getting the most out of it's resources, and it's the county that has most resources in the first place :)
Again, I'm conscious that this is seen as some sort of Dublin bashing. It's genuinely not. They are a model in how to spend big money when you have it. But it's hard to spend it when you don't have it. And in counties that have a certain amount, they are spending it on the senior set ups to try hang onto the coattails of the the Dubs.
Is it safe to come out yet?
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Is it safe to come out yet?
Just quickly head over the qualifier thread, no one will pass comment there and we will see you there in 3 weeks.
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nobody was getting the funding in the 70s that they are now
Kerry were just better footballers than everyone
Exactly as Dublin are now. But we all know there is very little between Dublin, Kerry and Mayo (assuming the latter get their house back in order) - and Tyrone would have no fear of Dublin either.
Dublin's senior footballers get looked after no better than the other top counties.
Absolutely true that only the Leinster final should be in Croke Park - but Dublin only have a 1/12th vote in that. The other Leinster counties could implement keeping Dubs out of Croker for Leinster semis very easily and choose not to.
Population of course plays a part, especially the last 20 years where there has been an ever increasing drive of culchies into the Pale. Young Con's father and grandfather both great Westmeath GAA men apparently.
You're bang on about population anyway Hound. While that is a political factor, there's no point discussing that here.
So even if Dublin's funding was cut/spread evenly or whatever would it make a difference? Dublin fans might argue that they are the reason the GAA get so much money because so many follow them. But the population will always be there so they will always get bumper crowds, even if Kilkenny entered a team next year and were drawn to play them.
So what to do? I'm against splitting or amalgamating counties ::) anyway. Should funding be capped, absolutely, yet the population will ensure they will get more money anyway. Should the funds be spread evenly? I would argue that they should but surely to God the likes of Westmeath who got such a hiding yesterday should be shouting from the heavens to get that. I mean it's all right discussing it on gaaboard, but why don't the other counties highlight it at congress, Central council or somewhere their voices can actually be heard?
PS, did anyone look for their money back yesterday? Total mismatch from the word go it seems. I thought Kildare might run Dublin close. Unfortunately for Dinny and co I can't see that happening at all.
33k yesterday in their own backyard is hardly a "bumper" crowd.
I brought my eldest lad into it as the other two who sometimes come with me said it would be boring and didn't wanna come.
I thought Westmeath would have put up a bit more of a fight but alas I came away with the same feeling I have every year now. As I've posted before, I kinda feel sorry for the real Dublin fans who pay in game after game to watch that nonsense and have to wait until they get to an AI semi or final for any real excitement.
What normally happens is the fans watch the first half, go to the bar at half time and often don't return, at least in the premium section.
I remember being at games ages ago where you had butterflies in your stomach and your whole day revolved around the game.
As Brolly pointed out before, you get people now chatting and having full conversations rather than watch the match with any anticipation. It's just a snorefest with neither team really wanting to be there, yet 33 thousand people paid to watch it and Dublin were far from full strength.
The underage structure in Dublin is amazing and will ensure they continue to produce the best players for years to come. Leinster would be so much more interesting if Dublin were not to play in it.
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Complete nonsense. All you post recently when it comes to Dublin is their funding when any rational person would acknowledge that there's more to their dominance than that. Please show me your posts bemoaning the financial, and more, advantages Mayo enjoy over Leitrim and others? The GAA has never been a fair fight so why all the moaning now from people whose counties have enjoyed massive advantages for 100 years or more?
Mayo is roughly comparable in size to the likes of Kerry, Donegal and has always had a populous competitor in their own province. Leitrim is an outlier on the smaller side, it is they themselves that suffer from this. Having Dublin with the population of a province is ridiculous and you know perfectly well it is ridiculous yet you keep coming on here defending it like a DUP spokesman defending the Plantation of Ulster.
Leitrim isn't the only example, what about Carlow, Longford, Cavan, Monaghan, or the hurling counties in Munster? Many counties have significantly smaller population and financial support than the likes of Mayo or Kerry so what makes Dublin unique?
As I said, if a smaller county is happy to play then any disadvantage comes on themselves, not those they play. The population of Mayo is twice that of Monaghan, the population of Dublin is 10 times Mayo. Competitive games will still happen with a two or threefold difference, not with a 10 fold one. The hurling counties of Munster have a big population, if hurling is more popular then that is not the same thing at all.
Ok, so if Mayo have a population 5 times that of Leitrim it's ok as Leitrim are happy to tog and if some counties prefer hurling that's ok but it's not ok if Dublin have 10 times the population of Mayo? Antrim, Cork and Down have 15 times the population of Leitrim or Longford is that a problem?
ARE YOU HAPPY WITH THE WAY DUBLIN GAA ARE GETTING THE EXTRA ADVANTAGES? SIMPLE YES OR NO?
I know you don't attend matches, you live in the UK! Spend no money on going/travelling to GAA matches!
What extra advantages are you talking about? If it's funding, I've made it quite clear that if you are talking about a more even distribution of GAA funding then great. If you're talking about media targeting I couldn't care less and if you're talking about splitting Dublin then I disagree.
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Today was a huge mismatch but that shouldn't take from yet another sublime display of Gaelic football by this Dublin team. However, I expect that the manner of Dublin's win will not faze Kildare as it will shift the focus away from Kildare and onto Dublin and that is surely what Kildare would want.
I think there might be a great Leinster final in prospect.
Why have Kildare won the lotto and not told anyone? Today the divide between the have and the have nots was evident. Until all counties are funded with equal resources the dubs will not be beat in Leinster and possibly in Ireland. It's a disgrace lads.
Do dublin hurlers not get the same funding? Where is their total domination? It isn't down to funding, the dubs simply have a great group of players.
You just keep the blinkers on! You'll be all the more happier with your teams success that way. Acknowledging money being involved in your success can take the gleam off of things.
Dublin aren't as dominant as kerry were in the 70s and I didn't hear anyone say then it was all to do with money. Kerry simply got credit for being a good team. Dublin hurlers are getting the same funding and looked like they were improving significantly but now look like they have gone backwards a good bit. The fundings still the same so results aren't directly related to funding. The dubs simply have a superb group of players and a great manager, let's just enjoy them and give them credit. Having said that it wouldn't surprise me at all if kerry, mayo or tyrone beat them this year, they are nowhere near unbeatable.
nobody was getting the funding in the 70s that they are now
Kerry were just better footballers than everyone
Not entirely true. It wasn't like now but some counties have had more funding and support then others for many years.
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Would pumping the entire GNP of a small African country into the likes of us, Leitrim etc make any difference.
Nope.
I blame the Brits........if you want to balance things off forget the county boundaries for the summer competition and create 16 'counties' or, God forbid 'franchises' and run a Super competition of 4*4 groups. Balance the number of senior clubs as close as possible withing each 'county'.
Go back to the 32 counties for the winter leagues and scrap the now almost meaningless provincials (bar Ulster and they can run this as they see fit).
*runs out of room*
Of course it would SS. It wouldn't turn ye into Dublin because of the other factors around population, but I guarantee you it would make ye more competitive if you had a scatter of full time coaches roaming the county, maximising the talent and resources ye do have. That's the issue, there's only one county getting the most out of it's resources, and it's the county that has most resources in the first place :)
Again, I'm conscious that this is seen as some sort of Dublin bashing. It's genuinely not. They are a model in how to spend big money when you have it. But it's hard to spend it when you don't have it. And in counties that have a certain amount, they are spending it on the senior set ups to try hang onto the coattails of the the Dubs.
I agree with this and a more even distribution of funding is only right but I don't think it should be at the expense of Dublin, at least not initially. Target counties like Meath and Kildare and help close the gap which will increase income which in turn increases the funds to help other counties.
For me it's simple, the GAA should be trying to get as many people as possible playing GAA and helping counties afford this. We don't split or amalgamate counties, we do change structures so counties like Longford or Leitrim have a genuine season and we don't weaken Dublin but we do strengthen others by increased funding.
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Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 26, 2017, 09:49:12 AM
Would pumping the entire GNP of a small African country into the likes of us, Leitrim etc make any difference.
Nope.
I blame the Brits........if you want to balance things off forget the county boundaries for the summer competition and create 16 'counties' or, God forbid 'franchises' and run a Super competition of 4*4 groups. Balance the number of senior clubs as close as possible withing each 'county'.
Go back to the 32 counties for the winter leagues and scrap the now almost meaningless provincials (bar Ulster and they can run this as they see fit).
*runs out of room*
Of course it would SS. It wouldn't turn ye into Dublin because of the other factors around population, but I guarantee you it would make ye more competitive if you had a scatter of full time coaches roaming the county, maximising the talent and resources ye do have. That's the issue, there's only one county getting the most out of it's resources, and it's the county that has most resources in the first place :)
Again, I'm conscious that this is seen as some sort of Dublin bashing. It's genuinely not. They are a model in how to spend big money when you have it. But it's hard to spend it when you don't have it. And in counties that have a certain amount, they are spending it on the senior set ups to try hang onto the coattails of the the Dubs.
I agree with this and a more even distribution of funding is only right but I don't think it should be at the expense of Dublin, at least not initially. Target counties like Meath and Kildare and help close the gap which will increase income which in turn increases the funds to help other counties.
For me it's simple, the GAA should be trying to get as many people as possible playing GAA and helping counties afford this. We don't split or amalgamate counties, we do change structures so counties like Longford or Leitrim have a genuine season and we don't weaken Dublin but we do strengthen others by increased funding.
But an even distribution of money would have to come at Dublins expense. When you have only so much money means taking from one and giving to another is the only way to create equality.
Choosing two like Meath and Kildare is wrong also as you are just creating another Dublin situation.
Lastly the creation of new structures such as the Super 8 of which you are an advocate does not help Leitrim or Longford.
Zulu you are one of those fans that are getting bored with the super power boring games that Dublin currently play in! You support Dublin and want them to win and win and win as any passionate fan would. You are currently enjoying this period of dominance. The Planets have aligned perfectly. Home games, big home support, great football. The only problem is the Leinster Championship is a dead duck when it involves any games with ye. Westmeath and Offaly is a vibrant game. Kildare and Meath is a vibrant game. Teams like Mayo, Donegal and to a lesser extent Kerry are falling away. Fans of Mayo and Donegal who carried a huge loyal following are seeing or will see their following fall back to the chasing pack just like their football teams. Tyrone are being built as possible contenders. But I'm not convinced.
The GAA have destroyed the Leinster Championship since the mid-90's when it was a excellent competition and any one of 6+ could win it.
I don't see any hope. The games between the lesser lights will still be competitive and attract a crowd. Dublin will see less and less fans travelling to see them away. And after a while the Dubs will get bored of watching games like yesterday and Croker with no away fans and they'll stop going to.
In fairness to Zulu, he is not a Dub.
There is a lot of talk about funding here. It is absolutely in the GAA interest that every youth in every part of Dublin get coaching in Gaelic games and if that leads to a lot of talented players than so much the better, so Dublin will always get a lot of funding although some of the newer districts in Kildare and Meath need funding too and the same in urban areas in other parts of the country.
But this funding must not be allowed distort national competitions, either because of super clubs emerging or because of a county team with the population of a province.
Centrally controlled and granted funding should be fair and equitable across the board. Do it on a per player basis, or a per club basis, whatever. You cannot have disproportionate coaching funding simply because you want one team to do well. Tipperary has 4 GDAs and 1 Coaching and Games manager. That works out at 1 per division (North, West, Mid, South). Those GDAs are expected to cover hurling and football. Tipperary receives approx 40k per annum for coaching and games development. Wouldn't it be brilliant if Tipperary could have 8 football GDAs and 8 hurling GDAs, 2 each per division. That would quadruple face time for coaches and kids in Tipp, as well as giving them dedicated coaches in each code. In order to finance that, you'd need a couple of hundred grand a year. There are over 70 clubs in Tipperary. The GDAs we have are paid out of Munster funds, but the 40K covers all coaching and games development, including Development squads in hurling and football. It's a pittance.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 26, 2017, 11:35:55 AM
In fairness to Zulu, he is not a Dub.
Ah but AZ I don't bash the Dubs at every opportunity so despite telling the likes of FtB numerous times I'm not a Dub I must be as I'm not always criticising them. Ironically, Mayo have never played Dublin when I haven't been roaring on Mayo, does that make me a Mayo man I wonder?
FtB, if you think taking money from Dublin and distributing it to the other 31 counties will improve anything then I don't know what to say to you. Money can be diverted from other areas, government funding applied for and Dublin county board can fund a greater portion of it's coaching to generate money for other counties. But you have to pick certain counties as giving it to all will only dilute the impact everywhere. You won't make Meath into Dublin by giving them more money but getting them more competitive will increase the revenue we have to then help Offaly, Louth, Cavan etc.
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In fairness to Zulu, he is not a Dub.
Ah but AZ I don't bash the Dubs at every opportunity so despite telling the likes of FtB numerous times I'm not a Dub I must be as I'm not always criticising them. Ironically, Mayo have never played Dublin when I haven't been roaring on Mayo, does that make me a Mayo man I wonder?
FtB, if you think taking money from Dublin and distributing it to the other 31 counties will improve anything then I don't know what to say to you. Money can be diverted from other areas, government funding applied for and Dublin county board can fund a greater portion of it's coaching to generate money for other counties. But you have to pick certain counties as giving it to all will only dilute the impact everywhere. You won't make Meath into Dublin by giving them more money but getting them more competitive will increase the revenue we have to then help Offaly, Louth, Cavan etc.
I don't follow that logic at all! How would giving all counties the same (or at least proportionate) funding dilute it's impact!?
Each county would have the money to provide the resources required to prepare teams to the same standard as the top teams.
Take Longford for example - they may not have the same number of players to pick from, or the same natural ability and that's fine, but they would at least be able to provide those players with the same preparation as a Dublin player.
And I don't follow how having a competitive Meath will provide resources for Offaly - that's bullshit frankly. It will give more competition, better games, and a small amount of extra revenue, certainly not enough.
I think it's time that all sponsorship money was pooled and allocated proportionately (the formula for that would be another debate!) amongst the counties. The comparison between Leitrim being sponsored by the local man who owns a hotel on Main St, and Dublin being sponsored by a multi-billion global insurance corporation is stark.
Leitrim will never have the pick of Dublin and there's nothing that can be done about that - but the Leitrim players should have the same level of support structures and preparation as every other county, Dublin included.
Pooling sponsorship money and the like sounds good, but in practice I'd imagine there'd be massive issues with hiding money etc. I'm not sure the GAA can control that.
However what they could do right now, in the morning, is say that from GAA controlled funds, we will give every county exactly the same funding on a per player or per club basis. Dublin will still get more, but it will not be disproportionately more. Maybe they'll have to have a few less coaches, but maybe the other counties will be able to have a few more.
Yeah, I could see the potential loopholes with sponsorship money 'hidden' or not given in money, but rather services/resources which obviously can't be pooled.
But I think without that, then Dublin will always have a funding advantage. If you give every county X amount, Dublin will have X + AIG, while Leitrim will have X + Bush Hotel.
That may be unavoidable to an extent, so it would really come down to how much the central GAA funding pot is, and how it would be distributed.
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Quote from: AZOffaly on June 26, 2017, 11:35:55 AM
In fairness to Zulu, he is not a Dub.
Ah but AZ I don't bash the Dubs at every opportunity so despite telling the likes of FtB numerous times I'm not a Dub I must be as I'm not always criticising them. Ironically, Mayo have never played Dublin when I haven't been roaring on Mayo, does that make me a Mayo man I wonder?
FtB, if you think taking money from Dublin and distributing it to the other 31 counties will improve anything then I don't know what to say to you. Money can be diverted from other areas, government funding applied for and Dublin county board can fund a greater portion of it's coaching to generate money for other counties. But you have to pick certain counties as giving it to all will only dilute the impact everywhere. You won't make Meath into Dublin by giving them more money but getting them more competitive will increase the revenue we have to then help Offaly, Louth, Cavan etc.
Your use of Litotes there has completely confused what is meant by that statement!
I was surprised with Gavin's retort to the media yesterday. (In fact I thought Dublin actually looked a better team without Connolly.) In times gone by Gavin would have ignored the thing completely, I believe. It reminded me of the Liverpool - Luis Saurez debacle, and that was something I didn't expect as he is usually a lot cooler.
With rumors circulating about discontent in the Dublin management setup, you have to wonder what is going on, and is he facing maybe the first real bit of trouble of his tenure?
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With rumors circulating about discontent in the Dublin management setup, you have to wonder what is going on, and is he facing maybe the first real bit of trouble of his tenure?
You wish ::)
http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2017/06/26/dublin-panel-arrested-after-slaughtering-westmeath-by-31-points/ (http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2017/06/26/dublin-panel-arrested-after-slaughtering-westmeath-by-31-points/)
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Quote from: AZOffaly on June 26, 2017, 11:35:55 AM
In fairness to Zulu, he is not a Dub.
Ah but AZ I don't bash the Dubs at every opportunity so despite telling the likes of FtB numerous times I'm not a Dub I must be as I'm not always criticising them. Ironically, Mayo have never played Dublin when I haven't been roaring on Mayo, does that make me a Mayo man I wonder?
FtB, if you think taking money from Dublin and distributing it to the other 31 counties will improve anything then I don't know what to say to you. Money can be diverted from other areas, government funding applied for and Dublin county board can fund a greater portion of it's coaching to generate money for other counties. But you have to pick certain counties as giving it to all will only dilute the impact everywhere. You won't make Meath into Dublin by giving them more money but getting them more competitive will increase the revenue we have to then help Offaly, Louth, Cavan etc.
I don't follow that logic at all! How would giving all counties the same (or at least proportionate) funding dilute it's impact!?
Each county would have the money to provide the resources required to prepare teams to the same standard as the top teams.
Take Longford for example - they may not have the same number of players to pick from, or the same natural ability and that's fine, but they would at least be able to provide those players with the same preparation as a Dublin player.
And I don't follow how having a competitive Meath will provide resources for Offaly - that's bullshit frankly. It will give more competition, better games, and a small amount of extra revenue, certainly not enough.
I think it's time that all sponsorship money was pooled and allocated proportionately (the formula for that would be another debate!) amongst the counties. The comparison between Leitrim being sponsored by the local man who owns a hotel on Main St, and Dublin being sponsored by a multi-billion global insurance corporation is stark.
Leitrim will never have the pick of Dublin and there's nothing that can be done about that - but the Leitrim players should have the same level of support structures and preparation as every other county, Dublin included.
Because if we have one million to spend and it's shared between everyone equally then everyone can do less. That's not to mention that some counties may misspend it (hurling orientated) or may not have a proper structure to utilise and will just piss it away.
I see you're talking about funding senior teams well then you just want to piss GAA money away. I'm talking about funding to get structures right and increase playing numbers and quality with kids, that's where money needs to be spent. While the Longford and Dublin set ups might be a bit different I'd say most division one teams are similar to Dublin and frankly, if you're arguing to pump money into all senior county set ups and not the broad base of young kids then I think you're daft.
Funding Meath, Kildare and Down to get them up to the next level will of course increase revenue significantly. Those three counties if they got to QF stages or beyond with realistic chances of winning would easily add 300,000 supporters to championship attendances at an average of €30 would be an extra 9 million so even half that and that's €4.5 to help fund smaller counties like Offaly.
I've no issue with a central fund or Croke Park assisting county teams with better S&C or dietary support.
The sad part is the GAA is run by people with similarly myopic outlooks as Zulu. Only the GAA. Only Ireland.
you keep mentioning Offaly. Leave us out of it :)
In fairness, Offaly have invested in this new Centre of Excellence. Shouldn't their per player coaching and games funding be increased to maximise the benefits of it, and to raise standards throughout the county as they are obviously trying to do?
http://faithfulfields.com/ (http://faithfulfields.com/)
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 26, 2017, 01:31:45 PM
you keep mentioning Offaly. Leave us out of it :)
In fairness, Offaly have invested in this new Centre of Excellence. Shouldn't their per player coaching and games funding be increased to maximise the benefits of it, and to raise standards throughout the county as they are obviously trying to do?
http://faithfulfields.com/ (http://faithfulfields.com/)
Absolutely AZ. I'm only using Meath as an example. Let's say we have €1 million to spend on games development. I think the GAA should ask for funding applications and fund counties who have good plans to help them come to fruition. However, I also think it makes sense to help big population counties develop as they will help future developments.
It's not a black and white situation but the idea that we give everyone the same is madness. Support progressive counties with the idea of bigger and more successful counties becoming more self-sufficient in time.
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nobody was getting the funding in the 70s that they are now
Kerry were just better footballers than everyone
Exactly as Dublin are now. But we all know there is very little between Dublin, Kerry and Mayo (assuming the latter get their house back in order) - and Tyrone would have no fear of Dublin either.
Dublin's senior footballers get looked after no better than the other top counties.
Absolutely true that only the Leinster final should be in Croke Park - but Dublin only have a 1/12th vote in that. The other Leinster counties could implement keeping Dubs out of Croker for Leinster semis very easily and choose not to.
Population of course plays a part, especially the last 20 years where there has been an ever increasing drive of culchies into the Pale. Young Con's father and grandfather both great Westmeath GAA men apparently.
How many county players get to take a week off work before a big game?
How many county players get a free car to drive around in?
All Dublin players got/get the above two points......other top counties dont. They are well looked after but to say they are treated the same as the Dubs is untrue
All Dublin players get a week off before every match!! Seriously, where do you get this nonsense?
Last week Dublin trained on Monday, Wednesday and Friday evenings. There was no Dublin training sessions during the day, according to a team member I know. That player took no days off last week. He is planning to take the Thursday and Friday prior to the Leinster final as holiday leave.
There's far more than Dublin players driving around in sponsored cars.
Quote from: mayoaremagic on June 26, 2017, 12:55:31 PM
I was surprised with Gavin's retort to the media yesterday. (In fact I thought Dublin actually looked a better team without Connolly.) In times gone by Gavin would have ignored the thing completely, I believe. It reminded me of the Liverpool - Luis Saurez debacle, and that was something I didn't expect as he is usually a lot cooler.
With rumors circulating about discontent in the Dublin management setup, you have to wonder what is going on, and is he facing maybe the first real bit of trouble of his tenure?
Discontent? And where did you hear this story? Was it the voices in your head that told you? The same voices that probably told you to set up this fake account. How are Hollymount getting on in the League?
Was that a record winning margin for a senior intercounty championship football match? (I'm sure hurling has surpassed it given the sheer range of standards)
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Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 26, 2017, 08:10:10 AM
nobody was getting the funding in the 70s that they are now
Kerry were just better footballers than everyone
Exactly as Dublin are now. But we all know there is very little between Dublin, Kerry and Mayo (assuming the latter get their house back in order) - and Tyrone would have no fear of Dublin either.
Dublin's senior footballers get looked after no better than the other top counties.
Absolutely true that only the Leinster final should be in Croke Park - but Dublin only have a 1/12th vote in that. The other Leinster counties could implement keeping Dubs out of Croker for Leinster semis very easily and choose not to.
Population of course plays a part, especially the last 20 years where there has been an ever increasing drive of culchies into the Pale. Young Con's father and grandfather both great Westmeath GAA men apparently.
How many county players get to take a week off work before a big game?
How many county players get a free car to drive around in?
All Dublin players got/get the above two points......other top counties dont. They are well looked after but to say they are treated the same as the Dubs is untrue
All Dublin players get a week off before every match!! Seriously, where do you get this nonsense?
Last week Dublin trained on Monday, Wednesday and Friday evenings. There was no Dublin training sessions during the day, according to a team member I know. That player took no days off last week. He is planning to take the Thursday and Friday prior to the Leinster final as holiday leave.
There's far more than Dublin players driving around in sponsored cars.
FFS this wasnt a big game - they could have worked the night shift on a Saturday and still won.
Any Dublin players off the week before big games last season?
Quote from: J70 on June 26, 2017, 03:39:09 PM
Was that a record winning margin for a senior intercounty championship football match? (I'm sure hurling has surpassed it given the sheer range of standards)
Kerry v Clare 1979 is probably the record, something like 9-21 to 1-9 I think it was.
Dublin have the world class gym in the national GAA centre in Abbotstown for all their teams
Westmeath have a converted shed in the old barracks in Mullingar, with a very basic range of equipment
Dublin have access to UCD, DCU, Trinity pitches as well as other centres around the capital
Westmeath have to beg for pitches - no training pitch, no centre of mediocrity
Dublin have a highest value of sponsorship (sorry partners) for their teams. among them: AIG, O'Neills, Skins, Lifestyle Sports, Ballygowan, Subaru, Jack Jones, Energise Sport, Aer Lingus, Linwoods, Gibson Hotel, ROS Nutrition, Gourmet Food Parlour. Their players get free cars to drive around in from other garages!
Westmeath have Renault, and a few lads in the county board get to drive around in cars
Dublin also get the highest amount of funding for coaching and games development in the country
Westmeath cannot even get money to fund an urban area coach for Mullingar or Athlone!
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It's about controlling the media and blackening players that are a threat to your team.
Did you have any criticism at the time for James Horan's comments in relation to Donegal and Michael Murphy and Joe McQuillan. They certainly intended to blacken the names of those people.
I'd also be interested to see what you felt about Kevin McStay going on a crusade to get Philly McMahon banned against Mayo.
Totally agree! Yeah! The Big guns do this all the time! Don't remember the Philly gig but you can be sure it happened! Luckily you come from a county who never partake in any of that sort of mind games. You are so lucky. Blessed I'd say!
I just find the indignation about this incident a bit funny considering your own county partake in similar methods.
So do you agree with your county partaking in mind games yourself or would you rather them to be squeeky clean?
All teams will blur the lines to get the results. I just find it a bit rich at others trying to play the whiter than white role when they're equally or more guilty of those underhand methods.
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nobody was getting the funding in the 70s that they are now
Kerry were just better footballers than everyone
Exactly as Dublin are now. But we all know there is very little between Dublin, Kerry and Mayo (assuming the latter get their house back in order) - and Tyrone would have no fear of Dublin either.
Dublin's senior footballers get looked after no better than the other top counties.
Absolutely true that only the Leinster final should be in Croke Park - but Dublin only have a 1/12th vote in that. The other Leinster counties could implement keeping Dubs out of Croker for Leinster semis very easily and choose not to.
Population of course plays a part, especially the last 20 years where there has been an ever increasing drive of culchies into the Pale. Young Con's father and grandfather both great Westmeath GAA men apparently.
Nah, Hound it's nowhere that simple. The big difference between Dublin now and Kerry in the 1970s is money, pure and simple. This Dub side has a backroom staff at least as big as their entire panel and that's being conservative.
It's easier to come by money to pay the expenses of top flight nutritional experts, doctors, physios and uncle Tom Cobbley and alllw when the money is there to pay them their wages/expenses and to buy, rent or hire top of the range equipment to help hone the players' skills to the greatest possible degree.
Having a huge population is most definitely a major assest.
Look at the list of Dublin's sponsors, ahem partners provided by manfromdelmonte.
Do you think any other county could come up with such a long list?
Money not sentiments dictates the actions of company that seek publicity when they make sponsorship deals and Dublin has by far the greatest target audience in the land.
Living in a densely populated area brings other advantages too. It's pretty certain that all players will live, work/study and train with having to travel more than ten miles at most.
Compare that with Mayo's O' Connors who clock up to 1,000 a week while training. The same hold for Kerry, Galway and Donegal lads and many others as well.
Professionalism and Science is the cornerstone of Dublin's dominance and both cost money.Mayo, Kerry and a few others may challenge from time to time but none of them can possibly have the resources to maintain competitiveness for sustained periods.
Dublin's senior footballers get looked after no better than the other top counties.You can't be serious! ;D
One of my near neighbours drives a top of the range 171 Subaru and he didn't get it for beating up linesman either.
I believe all members of the county panel got the same. Brand Ambassadors for Subaru, no less.
And no doubt the 172s will be replacing them next week.
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It's about controlling the media and blackening players that are a threat to your team.
Did you have any criticism at the time for James Horan's comments in relation to Donegal and Michael Murphy and Joe McQuillan. They certainly intended to blacken the names of those people.
I'd also be interested to see what you felt about Kevin McStay going on a crusade to get Philly McMahon banned against Mayo.
Totally agree! Yeah! The Big guns do this all the time! Don't remember the Philly gig but you can be sure it happened! Luckily you come from a county who never partake in any of that sort of mind games. You are so lucky. Blessed I'd say!
I just find the indignation about this incident a bit funny considering your own county partake in similar methods.
So do you agree with your county partaking in mind games yourself or would you rather them to be squeeky clean?
All teams will blur the lines to get the results. I just find it a bit rich at others trying to play the whiter than white role when they're equally or more guilty of those underhand methods.
We are not white, we left that behind in 2010. We are stink and whether we are popular with anyone outside Mayo means little or nothing. Actually the more people like you hate us the more we are doing things right.
As well as AIG
O'Neills – official kit partner
Lifestyle Sports – official clothing partner
Ballygowan – official hydration partner
Energise Sport – part of the official hydration partnership
Aer Lingus – official airline partner
Linwoods – official health food provider
Skins – official performance baselayer product
The Gibson Hotel – official sleeping partner
ROS Nutrition – official supplement supplier
Benetti – menswear provider
Gourmet Food Parlour – restaurant provider
Subaru – official car partner
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It's about controlling the media and blackening players that are a threat to your team.
Did you have any criticism at the time for James Horan's comments in relation to Donegal and Michael Murphy and Joe McQuillan. They certainly intended to blacken the names of those people.
I'd also be interested to see what you felt about Kevin McStay going on a crusade to get Philly McMahon banned against Mayo.
Totally agree! Yeah! The Big guns do this all the time! Don't remember the Philly gig but you can be sure it happened! Luckily you come from a county who never partake in any of that sort of mind games. You are so lucky. Blessed I'd say!
I just find the indignation about this incident a bit funny considering your own county partake in similar methods.
So do you agree with your county partaking in mind games yourself or would you rather them to be squeeky clean?
All teams will blur the lines to get the results. I just find it a bit rich at others trying to play the whiter than white role when they're equally or more guilty of those underhand methods.
We are not white, we left that behind in 2010. We are stink and whether we are popular with anyone outside Mayo means little or nothing. Actually the more people like you hate us the more we are doing things right.
I don't hate you, I would just appreciate that some of your own would not try to portray themselves as whiter than white when they're as dirty/cynical/underhand as everyone else.
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It's about controlling the media and blackening players that are a threat to your team.
Did you have any criticism at the time for James Horan's comments in relation to Donegal and Michael Murphy and Joe McQuillan. They certainly intended to blacken the names of those people.
I'd also be interested to see what you felt about Kevin McStay going on a crusade to get Philly McMahon banned against Mayo.
Totally agree! Yeah! The Big guns do this all the time! Don't remember the Philly gig but you can be sure it happened! Luckily you come from a county who never partake in any of that sort of mind games. You are so lucky. Blessed I'd say!
I just find the indignation about this incident a bit funny considering your own county partake in similar methods.
So do you agree with your county partaking in mind games yourself or would you rather them to be squeeky clean?
All teams will blur the lines to get the results. I just find it a bit rich at others trying to play the whiter than white role when they're equally or more guilty of those underhand methods.
We are not white, we left that behind in 2010. We are stink and whether we are popular with anyone outside Mayo means little or nothing. Actually the more people like you hate us the more we are doing things right.
I don't hate you, I would just appreciate that some of your own would not try to portray themselves as whiter than white when they're as dirty/cynical/underhand as everyone else.
You hate us! You are obsessively trying to show we win by cheating. But that's ok! I'm good with that. We have got under your skin and that is good!
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It's about controlling the media and blackening players that are a threat to your team.
Did you have any criticism at the time for James Horan's comments in relation to Donegal and Michael Murphy and Joe McQuillan. They certainly intended to blacken the names of those people.
I'd also be interested to see what you felt about Kevin McStay going on a crusade to get Philly McMahon banned against Mayo.
Totally agree! Yeah! The Big guns do this all the time! Don't remember the Philly gig but you can be sure it happened! Luckily you come from a county who never partake in any of that sort of mind games. You are so lucky. Blessed I'd say!
I just find the indignation about this incident a bit funny considering your own county partake in similar methods.
So do you agree with your county partaking in mind games yourself or would you rather them to be squeeky clean?
All teams will blur the lines to get the results. I just find it a bit rich at others trying to play the whiter than white role when they're equally or more guilty of those underhand methods.
We are not white, we left that behind in 2010. We are stink and whether we are popular with anyone outside Mayo means little or nothing. Actually the more people like you hate us the more we are doing things right.
I don't hate you, I would just appreciate that some of your own would not try to portray themselves as whiter than white when they're as dirty/cynical/underhand as everyone else.
You hate us! You are obsessively trying to show we win by cheating. But that's ok! I'm good with that. We have got under your skin and that is good!
I'm pointing out the despite the attempts by Mayo lads on here who consistently moan and whine about how they are on the receiving end of dirty tactics, bad refereeing decisions and media targeting that they actually do a fair bit of this themselves.
It's called pointing out a few home truths, if you want to pin my obsession then it is in dealing with double standards and hypocrisy. If there were Kerry fans or Donegal fans on here pining the same stuff on here they'd be in my crosshairs too.
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It's about controlling the media and blackening players that are a threat to your team.
Did you have any criticism at the time for James Horan's comments in relation to Donegal and Michael Murphy and Joe McQuillan. They certainly intended to blacken the names of those people.
I'd also be interested to see what you felt about Kevin McStay going on a crusade to get Philly McMahon banned against Mayo.
Totally agree! Yeah! The Big guns do this all the time! Don't remember the Philly gig but you can be sure it happened! Luckily you come from a county who never partake in any of that sort of mind games. You are so lucky. Blessed I'd say!
I just find the indignation about this incident a bit funny considering your own county partake in similar methods.
So do you agree with your county partaking in mind games yourself or would you rather them to be squeeky clean?
All teams will blur the lines to get the results. I just find it a bit rich at others trying to play the whiter than white role when they're equally or more guilty of those underhand methods.
We are not white, we left that behind in 2010. We are stink and whether we are popular with anyone outside Mayo means little or nothing. Actually the more people like you hate us the more we are doing things right.
I don't hate you, I would just appreciate that some of your own would not try to portray themselves as whiter than white when they're as dirty/cynical/underhand as everyone else.
You hate us! You are obsessively trying to show we win by cheating. But that's ok! I'm good with that. We have got under your skin and that is good!
I'm pointing out the despite the attempts by Mayo lads on here who consistently moan and whine about how they are on the receiving end of dirty tactics, bad refereeing decisions and media targeting that they actually do a fair bit of this themselves.
It's called pointing out a few home truths, if you want to pin my obsession then it is in dealing with double standards and hypocrisy. If there were Kerry fans or Donegal fans on here pining the same stuff on here they'd be in my crosshairs too.
Tyrone got seriously done in the 2003 Ulster final by bad referee decisions. I'm sure there was a litany of complaints from Tyrone fans at the time and rightly so. And Tyrone were no angels. But they had reason to be huffed?
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It's about controlling the media and blackening players that are a threat to your team.
Did you have any criticism at the time for James Horan's comments in relation to Donegal and Michael Murphy and Joe McQuillan. They certainly intended to blacken the names of those people.
I'd also be interested to see what you felt about Kevin McStay going on a crusade to get Philly McMahon banned against Mayo.
Totally agree! Yeah! The Big guns do this all the time! Don't remember the Philly gig but you can be sure it happened! Luckily you come from a county who never partake in any of that sort of mind games. You are so lucky. Blessed I'd say!
I just find the indignation about this incident a bit funny considering your own county partake in similar methods.
So do you agree with your county partaking in mind games yourself or would you rather them to be squeeky clean?
All teams will blur the lines to get the results. I just find it a bit rich at others trying to play the whiter than white role when they're equally or more guilty of those underhand methods.
We are not white, we left that behind in 2010. We are stink and whether we are popular with anyone outside Mayo means little or nothing. Actually the more people like you hate us the more we are doing things right.
I don't hate you, I would just appreciate that some of your own would not try to portray themselves as whiter than white when they're as dirty/cynical/underhand as everyone else.
You hate us! You are obsessively trying to show we win by cheating. But that's ok! I'm good with that. We have got under your skin and that is good!
I'm pointing out the despite the attempts by Mayo lads on here who consistently moan and whine about how they are on the receiving end of dirty tactics, bad refereeing decisions and media targeting that they actually do a fair bit of this themselves.
It's called pointing out a few home truths, if you want to pin my obsession then it is in dealing with double standards and hypocrisy. If there were Kerry fans or Donegal fans on here pining the same stuff on here they'd be in my crosshairs too.
Tyrone got seriously done in the 2003 Ulster final by bad referee decisions. I'm sure there was a litany of complaints from Tyrone fans at the time and rightly so. And Tyrone were no angels. But they had reason to be huffed?
We got done badly by Maurice Deegan in 2013 and 2015 but just got up and on with it, at the end of the day and particularly in 2015 we had the chances to win the game but didn't take them so introspection takes precedent.
Tyrone are no angels but no worse than any other side despite what the media and pundits may put forward.
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As well as AIG
O'Neills – official kit partner
Lifestyle Sports – official clothing partner
Ballygowan – official hydration partner
Energise Sport – part of the official hydration partnership
Aer Lingus – official airline partner
Linwoods – official health food provider
Skins – official performance baselayer product
The Gibson Hotel – official sleeping partner
ROS Nutrition – official supplement supplier
Benetti – menswear provider
Gourmet Food Parlour – restaurant provider
Subaru – official car partner
Hound - how does this compare to the other top counties?
I like the Aer Lingus one :) I suppose it's handy for when they fly to Farranfore to play Kerry.
"Official sleeping partner".is poor English
Benetti seem to clothe everyone who is anyone in the GAA.
I thought that used to be Louis Copeland.
the pundits love dropping their 'official clothing partner' name on Twitter
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Dublin have the world class gym in the national GAA centre in Abbotstown for all their teams
Westmeath have a converted shed in the old barracks in Mullingar, with a very basic range of equipment
Dublin have access to UCD, DCU, Trinity pitches as well as other centres around the capital
Westmeath have to beg for pitches - no training pitch, no centre of mediocrity
Dublin have a highest value of sponsorship (sorry partners) for their teams. among them: AIG, O'Neills, Skins, Lifestyle Sports, Ballygowan, Subaru, Jack Jones, Energise Sport, Aer Lingus, Linwoods, Gibson Hotel, ROS Nutrition, Gourmet Food Parlour. Their players get free cars to drive around in from other garages!
Westmeath have Renault, and a few lads in the county board get to drive around in cars
Dublin also get the highest amount of funding for coaching and games development in the country
Westmeath cannot even get money to fund an urban area coach for Mullingar or Athlone!
And that's not even a national sponsorship deal from Renault, it is in fact a deal brokered by the Renault garages in Mullingar and Athlone. The lads aren't given the cars either, they have to pay a reduced rate for the use of them for the year.
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I like the Aer Lingus one :) I suppose it's handy for when they fly to Farranfore to play Kerry.
And the sleep partner, how many times are the Dubs beyond the pale in a given year, two, three times tops.
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As well as AIG
O'Neills – official kit partner
Lifestyle Sports – official clothing partner
Ballygowan – official hydration partner
Energise Sport – part of the official hydration partnership
Aer Lingus – official airline partner
Linwoods – official health food provider
Skins – official performance baselayer product
The Gibson Hotel – official sleeping partner
ROS Nutrition – official supplement supplier
Benetti – menswear provider
Gourmet Food Parlour – restaurant provider
Subaru – official car partner
Well done Tomás Quinn. Keep up the good work. Isn't it great to see so much commercial support going into the promotion of Gaelic games? Is that not what we all want?
This is promotion of the Dublin brand, not the GAA. Send us down a couple of quid :)
Mayo, Kerry and Tyrone have a long list of sponsors/partners too. And many of their players also get the use of sponsored cars. And they take the odd day off before matches too!
Do Dublin have the most sponsors? Yes. Because we have the best supporters I'd say, who lump money into all those brands who support our beloved Boys in Blue :)
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Mayo, Kerry and Tyrone have a long list of sponsors/partners too. And many of their players also get the use of sponsored cars. And they take the odd day off before matches too!
Do Dublin have the most sponsors? Yes. Because we have the best supporters I'd say, who lump money into all those brands who support our beloved Boys in Blue :)
What? You think counties like Tyrone or Mayo have anything like the cash of Dublin? Mayo has been swimming in debt trying to keep up lately.
This genuinely feels like talking to cult members. There's a red line no Dublin supporter seems willing to cross because they think this lopsided system is of benefit to them.
Speaking of red lines...
No one from outside seems able to accept that at the moment Dublin have a batch of players that are once in a lifetime talented.
The fact that Aer Lingus sponsors them doesnt make Cluxton the player he is.
The likes of him and a few others will never come around again.
They will (started already) fade and whats coming down the line is no where near as special - Kildare are already beating Dublin at underage.
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Mayo, Kerry and Tyrone have a long list of sponsors/partners too. And many of their players also get the use of sponsored cars. And they take the odd day off before matches too!
Do Dublin have the most sponsors? Yes. Because we have the best supporters I'd say, who lump money into all those brands who support our beloved Boys in Blue :)
What? You think counties like Tyrone or Mayo have anything like the cash of Dublin? Mayo has been swimming in debt trying to keep up lately.
This genuinely feels like talking to cult members. There's a red line no Dublin supporter seems willing to cross because they think this lopsided system is of benefit to them.
What I'm saying is Kerry, Mayo and Tyrone prepare their senior intercounty football team really well and it would be very rare they want for anything. They get all the gear they need, all the meals they need, all the necessary physio etc and trips overseas.
Appreciate they may have harder commutes to training, but its hardly Dublin's fault that some lads find they have to move county to find suitable work.
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Speaking of red lines...
No one from outside seems able to accept that at the moment Dublin have a batch of players that are once in a lifetime talented.
The fact that Aer Lingus sponsors them doesnt make Cluxton the player he is.
The likes of him and a few others will never come around again.
They will (started already) fade and whats coming down the line is no where near as special - Kildare are already beating Dublin at underage.
This Dublin team are products of excellent coaching and all the benefits having every resource on your doorstep brings. There is no once in a lifetime bullshit involved. You have a population of 1.3 million to draw from - there's always going to be exceptional talents every single year and when the CB is being granted cash up their holes from the GAA and thirsty sponsors for coaching so few ever fall through the cracks. It doesn't hurt that the dedication to be an elite footballer in Dublin requires far less travelling either.
Our lads have to make four hour round trips to training twice or three times a week after work - are you seriously telling me Dublin's advantages aren't what has wrapped the system completely?
Cluxton isn't even that special a goalkeeper or shot stopper btw, he's just good at those things. His 'gift' is the most teachable skill a goalkeeper has - seeing the field well and kicking accurately. The next man up will be coached obsessively by the most expensive coaches and psychologists in the country to do the exact same when the time comes and no one in their right minds should expect much of a drop off when he retires.
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Mayo, Kerry and Tyrone have a long list of sponsors/partners too. And many of their players also get the use of sponsored cars. And they take the odd day off before matches too!
Do Dublin have the most sponsors? Yes. Because we have the best supporters I'd say, who lump money into all those brands who support our beloved Boys in Blue :)
What? You think counties like Tyrone or Mayo have anything like the cash of Dublin? Mayo has been swimming in debt trying to keep up lately.
This genuinely feels like talking to cult members. There's a red line no Dublin supporter seems willing to cross because they think this lopsided system is of benefit to them.
What I'm saying is Kerry, Mayo and Tyrone prepare their senior intercounty football team really well and it would be very rare they want for anything. They get all the gear they need, all the meals they need, all the necessary physio etc and trips overseas.
Appreciate they may have harder commutes to training, but its hardly Dublin's fault that some lads find they have to move county to find suitable work.
Some of the jobs your boys have can hardly be classified as jobs.
No rush to training, resting before training, short commute because they have access to world class facilities - all these things mean they have a huge advantage.
Add to this being able to have the week off work in the lead up to big games.
It is almost embarrassing some Dubs are afraid to say it like it is. Its all 'whatabouttery'. The facts dont lie
I'd love to know, for example, what proportion of coaching Con O'Callaghan received from paid coaches versus volunteer coaches in his GAA life to date. I'd say it's less than 5%.
In my club, while its been up for discussion, we've always decided to fork out the 50% required to pay to get the paid coach in. In our club, he looks after the academy and goes round all the primary schools in the area to help out with PE and to encourage lads/lassies to join the GAA club. He'll look after a team now and again when they are struggling to find a parent to mentor - these tend to be weaker teams in the club. (We've had 3 in my time, one absolutely useless who only wanted to be involved with U16/U18 and no interest in youngers kids, one "hardcase" who could only talk in expletives when he got excited and the current one seems decent. None of them Dubs incidentally).
For the elite players who join Dublin development panels, it's all volunteer coaches, mostly ex-inter county players as far as I know. When my lad was with them (for a very short time a few years ago!) it was Declan Lally and David Henry.
So my guess would be if you add up all the coaching hours Con has received it'd be something like 5%/95% between paid/unpaid, and perhaps closer to 1%/99%. A signficant portion of volunteer coaches in most clubs would be non-Dubs too, especially on the hurling side.
Don't forget the AFL scouts and how lots of counties lose their best young players to Tadg Kennelly and Co.
Tyrone have young Conor McKenna out playing for the Essendon first team now and seems to be really stepping up to the 'mark'. He would be a huge addition to the Tyrone team at the moment but of course there wasn't much benefits for him to decide to stay. Whereas Dublin had both McCaffrey and Kilkenny go over for a trial but they decided not to stay. Is it any coincidence that non of the Dublin squad have chosen to go play AFL?
Does anyone on here know exactly what benefits the Dublin players are currently receiving.
Yes we know about the free car but does that include petrol?
We heard they get food but to what extent? Do they actually get food delivered to them each week or from Linwoods their food sponsor? Do they not have to buy any of their own food?
Do they get free clothes from their clothing partners? Sportswear from Lifestyle sports and smart casual from Benetti?
Do they all have a constant supply of Ballygowan water to their homes as athletes drink more water than the rest of us.
I'm genuinely asking these questions as in what are the day to day benefits from having all these sponsors.
If they do get a lot of these things, then you can see why some argue they really are professional sports people as they may not receive an income from Dublin GAA but if most of their day to day expenses are being covered then they are going to have a lot more disposable income.
Does anyone know do Tyrone, Mayo, Kerry or Donegal get food and drinks provided to them from week to week?
How many Mayo, Kerry, Donegal & Galway lads travel from Dublin back home for training each week?
I think Tyrone have McCarron(maybe Kildare now) and Tiernan McCann.
Sure Hound, if all the coaching money makes no difference, give it back so others can use it. I know for a fact it would make a difference to us.
Quote from: Taylor on June 27, 2017, 02:14:13 PM
Some of the jobs your boys have can hardly be classified as jobs.
No rush to training, resting before training, short commute because they have access to world class facilities - all these things mean they have a huge advantage.
Add to this being able to have the week off work in the lead up to big games.
It is almost embarrassing some Dubs are afraid to say it like it is. Its all 'whatabouttery'. The facts dont lie
I thought you'd back-tracked from your silly claim that all the players get a week off work before a game? What is your issue re Dubs and jobs??!!
Apart from generally not wanting to work outside the county we were born, I guarantee you that we are no different from any intercounty team, that there's a high proportion of students and teachers. And like in every single county, there'll be lads who get jobs as sales reps, because someone in charge is a fan or thinks that this "name" will sell their product.
But Paddy Andews is a share dealer/stock broker. Cian O'Sullivan a qualified chartered accountant with a big firm in the city. Denis Bastick is Head of Business Development at EBS. You think they're all paid their big bucks because they wear a blue jersey and they can just turn up whenever the feel like it? And take a week off before every game!!
Jack McCaffrey is a doctor or on his way to being one. Bernard Brogan, Philly Mac and Kev Mac are running their own businesses. All the jobs are up on the dublin gaa website. As I said, it would probably be very similar to other county teams.
Quote from: Hound on June 27, 2017, 02:41:29 PM
Quote from: Taylor on June 27, 2017, 02:14:13 PM
Some of the jobs your boys have can hardly be classified as jobs.
No rush to training, resting before training, short commute because they have access to world class facilities - all these things mean they have a huge advantage.
Add to this being able to have the week off work in the lead up to big games.
It is almost embarrassing some Dubs are afraid to say it like it is. Its all 'whatabouttery'. The facts dont lie
I thought you'd back-tracked from your silly claim that all the players get a week off work before a game? What is your issue re Dubs and jobs??!!
Apart from generally not wanting to work outside the county we were born, I guarantee you that we are no different from any intercounty team, that there's a high proportion of students and teachers. And like in every single county, there'll be lads who get jobs as sales reps, because someone in charge is a fan or thinks that this "name" will sell their product.
But Paddy Andews is a share dealer/stock broker. Cian O'Sullivan a qualified chartered accountant with a big firm in the city. Denis Bastick is Head of Business Development at EBS. You think they're all paid their big bucks because they wear a blue jersey and they can just turn up whenever the feel like it? And take a week off before every game!!
Jack McCaffrey is a doctor or on his way to being one. Bernard Brogan, Philly Mac and Kev Mac are running their own businesses. All the jobs are up on the dublin gaa website. As I said, it would probably be very similar to other county teams.
Do all the other teams get to work in the same town their team trains in?
Quote from: Hound on June 27, 2017, 02:41:29 PM
Quote from: Taylor on June 27, 2017, 02:14:13 PM
Some of the jobs your boys have can hardly be classified as jobs.
No rush to training, resting before training, short commute because they have access to world class facilities - all these things mean they have a huge advantage.
Add to this being able to have the week off work in the lead up to big games.
It is almost embarrassing some Dubs are afraid to say it like it is. Its all 'whatabouttery'. The facts dont lie
I thought you'd back-tracked from your silly claim that all the players get a week off work before a game? What is your issue re Dubs and jobs??!!
Apart from generally not wanting to work outside the county we were born, I guarantee you that we are no different from any intercounty team, that there's a high proportion of students and teachers. And like in every single county, there'll be lads who get jobs as sales reps, because someone in charge is a fan or thinks that this "name" will sell their product.
But Paddy Andews is a share dealer/stock broker. Cian O'Sullivan a qualified chartered accountant with a big firm in the city. Denis Bastick is Head of Business Development at EBS. You think they're all paid their big bucks because they wear a blue jersey and they can just turn up whenever the feel like it? And take a week off before every game!!
Jack McCaffrey is a doctor or on his way to being one. Bernard Brogan, Philly Mac and Kev Mac are running their own businesses. All the jobs are up on the dublin gaa website. As I said, it would probably be very similar to other county teams.
Big games - hound - big games.
Westmeath would hardly qualify as a big game now. (no dis-respect intended)
Did many of the Dublin squad workthe week before the AIF or the replay? Nope. Because they were all paid to take time off.
Are you saying this is not an advantage?
Why are we having a go at the Dubs working in Dublin? That's one of the perks about being the capital city. I'd say most of the Cork lads work in Cork, and a fair few of the Limerick lads work in Limerick.
There are always going to be advantages associated with Dublin. Population, facilities, jobs. That's just a fact of life and it's part of the spice of culchies taking on the Dubs. It's the additional advantages the GAA have conferred that I don't like. No need for them.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 27, 2017, 02:32:26 PM
Sure Hound, if all the coaching money makes no difference, give it back so others can use it. I know for a fact it would make a difference to us.
My experience is the coaching money goes on the opposite to the elite end. Maybe its not the same in most clubs, but I doubt it. It goes to increasing participation. In my club it's mainly focused on hurling and girls, because our participation at the football is good already.
I 100% agree that such coaches should be available across the country. But I would also say it would cause a lot of rows in clubs as to whether it's worth it even at 50%! You are not guaranteed to get a good coach.
I presume every county has the coaching courses? Where Dads and Moms are encouraged to sign up for coaching courses to improve their skills as coaches and that these are free or nominal fees? They are much better. Train the trainers.
Quote from: Taylor on June 27, 2017, 02:46:30 PM
Big games - hound - big games.
Westmeath would hardly qualify as a big game now. (no dis-respect intended)
Did many of the Dublin squad workthe week before the AIF or the replay? Nope. Because they were all paid to take time off.
Are you saying this is not an advantage?
How much did Dublin pay Davy Stockbrokers for Paddy Andrews to have a week off? Seriously!
Quote from: Buttofthehill on June 27, 2017, 01:48:25 PM
Speaking of red lines...
No one from outside seems able to accept that at the moment Dublin have a batch of players that are once in a lifetime talented.
The fact that Aer Lingus sponsors them doesnt make Cluxton the player he is.
The likes of him and a few others will never come around again.
They will (started already) fade and whats coming down the line is no where near as special - Kildare are already beating Dublin at underage.
Arrra, g'wan outa that! ;D
No one from the inside seems to accept that the same "once in a lifetime players talented players" got stuffed in the Leinster semi final in 2010 by the most piss-poor Meath team of all time - an embarrassment to the great Meath warriors that went before them. Remember they became Leinster champions thanks to a certain Mr. Sludden. Prior to that game Dublin had clocked up a string of Leinsters but were not serious AI contenders in any of them.
In the wake of that defeat, the "Blue Flag" initiative was undertaken and the rest is history by now. Many of those who played on that fateful day against Meath are still chugging away and if you count in those who have retired since, the number who went on to starting bagging Celtic Crosses in 2011 and subsequent years covers just about everyone who lost that game.
So much for the talent of the players.
If talent alone was all that was needed, why are Dublin spending so much on team preparation?
Sure, I've heard the mantra that once those super players retire, they can never be replaced and Dublin will slip back into the pack once again.
Tell me, where have McCaffrey, McCarthy, Small, Fenton, Kilkenny and Costello come from? They were hardly found under a stone, were they?
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 27, 2017, 03:15:41 PM
Quote from: Buttofthehill on June 27, 2017, 01:48:25 PM
Speaking of red lines...
No one from outside seems able to accept that at the moment Dublin have a batch of players that are once in a lifetime talented.
The fact that Aer Lingus sponsors them doesnt make Cluxton the player he is.
The likes of him and a few others will never come around again.
They will (started already) fade and whats coming down the line is no where near as special - Kildare are already beating Dublin at underage.
Arrra, g'wan outa that! ;D
No one from the inside seems to accept that the same "once in a lifetime players talented players" got stuffed in the Leinster semi final in 2010 by the most piss-poor Meath team of all time - an embarrassment to the great Meath warriors that went before them. Remember they became Leinster champions thanks to a certain Mr. Sludden. Prior to that game Dublin had clocked up a string of Leinsters but were not serious AI contenders in any of them.
In the wake of that defeat, the "Blue Flag" initiative was undertaken and the rest is history by now. Many of those who played on that fateful day against Meath are still chugging away and if you count in those who have retired since, the number who went on to starting bagging Celtic Crosses in 2011 and subsequent years covers just about everyone who lost that game.
So much for the talent of the players.
If talent alone was all that was needed, why are Dublin spending so much on team preparation?
Sure, I've heard the mantra that once those super players retire, they can never be replaced and Dublin will slip back into the pack once again.
Tell me, where have McCaffrey, McCarthy, Small, Fenton, Kilkenny and Costello come from? They were hardly found under a stone, were they?
The dubs had a plan and implemented it. Funding shouldn't just be thrust at counties. If a county board can come up with a plan then apply to croke park for funding and they should receive it.
It's a credit to the amount of ex-inter county players who have taken underage teams in Dublin. How many counties can claim the same thing?
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 27, 2017, 03:15:41 PM
Quote from: Buttofthehill on June 27, 2017, 01:48:25 PM
Speaking of red lines...
No one from outside seems able to accept that at the moment Dublin have a batch of players that are once in a lifetime talented.
The fact that Aer Lingus sponsors them doesnt make Cluxton the player he is.
The likes of him and a few others will never come around again.
They will (started already) fade and whats coming down the line is no where near as special - Kildare are already beating Dublin at underage.
Arrra, g'wan outa that! ;D
No one from the inside seems to accept that the same "once in a lifetime players talented players" got stuffed in the Leinster semi final in 2010 by the most piss-poor Meath team of all time - an embarrassment to the great Meath warriors that went before them. Remember they became Leinster champions thanks to a certain Mr. Sludden. Prior to that game Dublin had clocked up a string of Leinsters but were not serious AI contenders in any of them.
In the wake of that defeat, the "Blue Flag" initiative was undertaken and the rest is history by now. Many of those who played on that fateful day against Meath are still chugging away and if you count in those who have retired since, the number who went on to starting bagging Celtic Crosses in 2011 and subsequent years covers just about everyone who lost that game.
So much for the talent of the players.
If talent alone was all that was needed, why are Dublin spending so much on team preparation?
Sure, I've heard the mantra that once those super players retire, they can never be replaced and Dublin will slip back into the pack once again.
Tell me, where have McCaffrey, McCarthy, Small, Fenton, Kilkenny and Costello come from? They were hardly found under a stone, were they?
Emmmm, they did beat Tyrone in the wake of the Meath debacle and only lost to Cork by a point but that doesn't suit your little story
Quote from: Hound on June 27, 2017, 02:50:24 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 27, 2017, 02:32:26 PM
Sure Hound, if all the coaching money makes no difference, give it back so others can use it. I know for a fact it would make a difference to us.
My experience is the coaching money goes on the opposite to the elite end. Maybe its not the same in most clubs, but I doubt it. It goes to increasing participation. In my club it's mainly focused on hurling and girls, because our participation at the football is good already.
I 100% agree that such coaches should be available across the country. But I would also say it would cause a lot of rows in clubs as to whether it's worth it even at 50%! You are not guaranteed to get a good coach.
I presume every county has the coaching courses? Where Dads and Moms are encouraged to sign up for coaching courses to improve their skills as coaches and that these are free or nominal fees? They are much better. Train the trainers.
The difference is that there is one GPO to most clubs in Dublin wheras you are talking in the very low single figures for the rest of the counties. It's a lot easier to train the moms and dads in the club down the road in Dublin as opposed to getting them to drive halfway across the county to wherever the course is being held down the country. All the development panel coaches in Dublin would be trained up to level 3 so while the likes of Lally and Henry might not be paid they are still delivering quality coaching.
Quote from: Buttofthehill on June 27, 2017, 04:05:28 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 27, 2017, 03:15:41 PM
Quote from: Buttofthehill on June 27, 2017, 01:48:25 PM
Speaking of red lines...
No one from outside seems able to accept that at the moment Dublin have a batch of players that are once in a lifetime talented.
The fact that Aer Lingus sponsors them doesnt make Cluxton the player he is.
The likes of him and a few others will never come around again.
They will (started already) fade and whats coming down the line is no where near as special - Kildare are already beating Dublin at underage.
Arrra, g'wan outa that! ;D
No one from the inside seems to accept that the same "once in a lifetime players talented players" got stuffed in the Leinster semi final in 2010 by the most piss-poor Meath team of all time - an embarrassment to the great Meath warriors that went before them. Remember they became Leinster champions thanks to a certain Mr. Sludden. Prior to that game Dublin had clocked up a string of Leinsters but were not serious AI contenders in any of them.
In the wake of that defeat, the "Blue Flag" initiative was undertaken and the rest is history by now. Many of those who played on that fateful day against Meath are still chugging away and if you count in those who have retired since, the number who went on to starting bagging Celtic Crosses in 2011 and subsequent years covers just about everyone who lost that game.
So much for the talent of the players.
If talent alone was all that was needed, why are Dublin spending so much on team preparation?
Sure, I've heard the mantra that once those super players retire, they can never be replaced and Dublin will slip back into the pack once again.
Tell me, where have McCaffrey, McCarthy, Small, Fenton, Kilkenny and Costello come from? They were hardly found under a stone, were they?
Emmmm, they did beat Tyrone in the wake of the Meath debacle and only lost to Cork by a point but that doesn't suit your little story
Now, now you're being catty. ;D
I didn't make any mention of what happened next because it has no bearing on the point I was labouring to make.
Dublin got tanked by an abject Meath in 2010 yet went on to win the AI the following year.Basically, the players were the same in both years but the the outcome was markedly different and has been since then. My point here is that you and other say Dublin just happen to have super players at present and when they are gone, they are gone, sort of.
. If I accept that, the millions spent om preparing the team since then has been a waste of time and money since sheer, naked talent is the sole cause of their present form.
Where are the likes of Kilkenny, Costello and the rest I've mentioned coming from if not from a superb coaching and development structure?
Do you honestly believe that when Clucko and Berno and Dermo and the rest retire, Dublin will sink back into the pack once more?
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 27, 2017, 05:51:10 PM
Quote from: Buttofthehill on June 27, 2017, 04:05:28 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 27, 2017, 03:15:41 PM
Quote from: Buttofthehill on June 27, 2017, 01:48:25 PM
Speaking of red lines...
No one from outside seems able to accept that at the moment Dublin have a batch of players that are once in a lifetime talented.
The fact that Aer Lingus sponsors them doesnt make Cluxton the player he is.
The likes of him and a few others will never come around again.
They will (started already) fade and whats coming down the line is no where near as special - Kildare are already beating Dublin at underage.
Arrra, g'wan outa that! ;D
No one from the inside seems to accept that the same "once in a lifetime players talented players" got stuffed in the Leinster semi final in 2010 by the most piss-poor Meath team of all time - an embarrassment to the great Meath warriors that went before them. Remember they became Leinster champions thanks to a certain Mr. Sludden. Prior to that game Dublin had clocked up a string of Leinsters but were not serious AI contenders in any of them.
In the wake of that defeat, the "Blue Flag" initiative was undertaken and the rest is history by now. Many of those who played on that fateful day against Meath are still chugging away and if you count in those who have retired since, the number who went on to starting bagging Celtic Crosses in 2011 and subsequent years covers just about everyone who lost that game.
So much for the talent of the players.
If talent alone was all that was needed, why are Dublin spending so much on team preparation?
Sure, I've heard the mantra that once those super players retire, they can never be replaced and Dublin will slip back into the pack once again.
Tell me, where have McCaffrey, McCarthy, Small, Fenton, Kilkenny and Costello come from? They were hardly found under a stone, were they?
Emmmm, they did beat Tyrone in the wake of the Meath debacle and only lost to Cork by a point but that doesn't suit your little story
Now, now you're being catty. ;D
I didn't make any mention of what happened next because it has no bearing on the point I was labouring to make.
Dublin got tanked by an abject Meath in 2010 yet went on to win the AI the following year.Basically, the players were the same in both years but the the outcome was markedly different and has been since then. My point here is that you and other say Dublin just happen to have super players at present and when they are gone, they are gone, sort of.
. If I accept that, the millions spent om preparing the team since then has been a waste of time and money since sheer, naked talent is the sole cause of their present form.
Where are the likes of Kilkenny, Costello and the rest I've mentioned coming from if not from a superb coaching and development structure?
Do you honestly believe that when Clucko and Berno and Dermo and the rest retire, Dublin will sink back into the pack once more?
They're already back in the pack though Lar. The pack being Kerry, Tyrone, Dublin and Mayo.
If it wasn't for Own goals, keeper having a nightmare, CoC missing the free, we wouldn't be talking about this
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 27, 2017, 05:51:10 PM
Quote from: Buttofthehill on June 27, 2017, 04:05:28 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 27, 2017, 03:15:41 PM
Quote from: Buttofthehill on June 27, 2017, 01:48:25 PM
Speaking of red lines...
No one from outside seems able to accept that at the moment Dublin have a batch of players that are once in a lifetime talented.
The fact that Aer Lingus sponsors them doesnt make Cluxton the player he is.
The likes of him and a few others will never come around again.
They will (started already) fade and whats coming down the line is no where near as special - Kildare are already beating Dublin at underage.
Arrra, g'wan outa that! ;D
No one from the inside seems to accept that the same "once in a lifetime players talented players" got stuffed in the Leinster semi final in 2010 by the most piss-poor Meath team of all time - an embarrassment to the great Meath warriors that went before them. Remember they became Leinster champions thanks to a certain Mr. Sludden. Prior to that game Dublin had clocked up a string of Leinsters but were not serious AI contenders in any of them.
In the wake of that defeat, the "Blue Flag" initiative was undertaken and the rest is history by now. Many of those who played on that fateful day against Meath are still chugging away and if you count in those who have retired since, the number who went on to starting bagging Celtic Crosses in 2011 and subsequent years covers just about everyone who lost that game.
So much for the talent of the players.
If talent alone was all that was needed, why are Dublin spending so much on team preparation?
Sure, I've heard the mantra that once those super players retire, they can never be replaced and Dublin will slip back into the pack once again.
Tell me, where have McCaffrey, McCarthy, Small, Fenton, Kilkenny and Costello come from? They were hardly found under a stone, were they?
Emmmm, they did beat Tyrone in the wake of the Meath debacle and only lost to Cork by a point but that doesn't suit your little story
Now, now you're being catty. ;D
I didn't make any mention of what happened next because it has no bearing on the point I was labouring to make.
Dublin got tanked by an abject Meath in 2010 yet went on to win the AI the following year.Basically, the players were the same in both years but the the outcome was markedly different and has been since then. My point here is that you and other say Dublin just happen to have super players at present and when they are gone, they are gone, sort of.
. If I accept that, the millions spent om preparing the team since then has been a waste of time and money since sheer, naked talent is the sole cause of their present form.
Where are the likes of Kilkenny, Costello and the rest I've mentioned coming from if not from a superb coaching and development structure?
Do you honestly believe that when Clucko and Berno and Dermo and the rest retire, Dublin will sink back into the pack once more?
Do you hate Roscommon or Dublin the most, Lar?
Quote from: Syferus on June 27, 2017, 08:29:26 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 27, 2017, 05:51:10 PM
Quote from: Buttofthehill on June 27, 2017, 04:05:28 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 27, 2017, 03:15:41 PM
Quote from: Buttofthehill on June 27, 2017, 01:48:25 PM
Speaking of red lines...
No one from outside seems able to accept that at the moment Dublin have a batch of players that are once in a lifetime talented.
The fact that Aer Lingus sponsors them doesnt make Cluxton the player he is.
The likes of him and a few others will never come around again.
They will (started already) fade and whats coming down the line is no where near as special - Kildare are already beating Dublin at underage.
Arrra, g'wan outa that! ;D
No one from the inside seems to accept that the same "once in a lifetime players talented players" got stuffed in the Leinster semi final in 2010 by the most piss-poor Meath team of all time - an embarrassment to the great Meath warriors that went before them. Remember they became Leinster champions thanks to a certain Mr. Sludden. Prior to that game Dublin had clocked up a string of Leinsters but were not serious AI contenders in any of them.
In the wake of that defeat, the "Blue Flag" initiative was undertaken and the rest is history by now. Many of those who played on that fateful day against Meath are still chugging away and if you count in those who have retired since, the number who went on to starting bagging Celtic Crosses in 2011 and subsequent years covers just about everyone who lost that game.
So much for the talent of the players.
If talent alone was all that was needed, why are Dublin spending so much on team preparation?
Sure, I've heard the mantra that once those super players retire, they can never be replaced and Dublin will slip back into the pack once again.
Tell me, where have McCaffrey, McCarthy, Small, Fenton, Kilkenny and Costello come from? They were hardly found under a stone, were they?
Emmmm, they did beat Tyrone in the wake of the Meath debacle and only lost to Cork by a point but that doesn't suit your little story
Now, now you're being catty. ;D
I didn't make any mention of what happened next because it has no bearing on the point I was labouring to make.
Dublin got tanked by an abject Meath in 2010 yet went on to win the AI the following year.Basically, the players were the same in both years but the the outcome was markedly different and has been since then. My point here is that you and other say Dublin just happen to have super players at present and when they are gone, they are gone, sort of.
. If I accept that, the millions spent om preparing the team since then has been a waste of time and money since sheer, naked talent is the sole cause of their present form.
Where are the likes of Kilkenny, Costello and the rest I've mentioned coming from if not from a superb coaching and development structure?
Do you honestly believe that when Clucko and Berno and Dermo and the rest retire, Dublin will sink back into the pack once more?
Do you hate Roscommon or Dublin the most, Lar?
Holy fiddlesticks! Syferus my friend, you are one hell of a hoopid stoor. ;D ;D
What have the Sheep Shaggers got to do with this topic?
You certainly know that I'd support the Rossies before just about every county in the land and that I have routinely wished you luck whenever a big game for you was coming up.
This has been the story since I joined this board about 10 or 11 years ago.
I'll be rooting for the primrose and blue for the Connacht final and that's in spite of your best attempts to wreck my poor head. Dammit! You'd give a head of cabbage a dose of migraine but , apart from that, you're almost alright.
And where did I ever say I hated Dublin? I lived here most of my life, earned my crust and raised my family in Molly Malone's country and have nothing but praise for the genuine Dub, as most of them are.
I often said I admired Jim Gavin and accepted that he has a team of superb athletes but the issues I am concerned about are not of his making.
He's only doing what any responsible manager would do if he found himself in Jim's position.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on June 27, 2017, 05:21:54 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 27, 2017, 02:50:24 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 27, 2017, 02:32:26 PM
Sure Hound, if all the coaching money makes no difference, give it back so others can use it. I know for a fact it would make a difference to us.
My experience is the coaching money goes on the opposite to the elite end. Maybe its not the same in most clubs, but I doubt it. It goes to increasing participation. In my club it's mainly focused on hurling and girls, because our participation at the football is good already.
I 100% agree that such coaches should be available across the country. But I would also say it would cause a lot of rows in clubs as to whether it's worth it even at 50%! You are not guaranteed to get a good coach.
I presume every county has the coaching courses? Where Dads and Moms are encouraged to sign up for coaching courses to improve their skills as coaches and that these are free or nominal fees? They are much better. Train the trainers.
The difference is that there is one GPO to most clubs in Dublin wheras you are talking in the very low single figures for the rest of the counties. It's a lot easier to train the moms and dads in the club down the road in Dublin as opposed to getting them to drive halfway across the county to wherever the course is being held down the country. All the development panel coaches in Dublin would be trained up to level 3 so while the likes of Lally and Henry might not be paid they are still delivering quality coaching.
there is no award 3 level in the GAA
it hasn't been developed yet
you might be talking about a coaching tutor?
the bulk of funding in Dublin is spent on grassroots coaching. 50+ coaches
however, the quality of that coaching flows into every club in the county and ergo all county players
it has raised standards in every club - exposed club coaches to new ways of coaching and constantly bringing new ideas into clubs
then it is taken on further with the development panels and the good coaches there (full time GPOs are used here too)
while in the likes of Westmeath they have maybe 3/4 full time coaches? if even that number
Or else level 3 as in foundation -> award 1 -> award 2
Quote from: Buttofthehill on June 27, 2017, 08:27:56 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 27, 2017, 05:51:10 PM
Quote from: Buttofthehill on June 27, 2017, 04:05:28 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 27, 2017, 03:15:41 PM
Quote from: Buttofthehill on June 27, 2017, 01:48:25 PM
Speaking of red lines...
No one from outside seems able to accept that at the moment Dublin have a batch of players that are once in a lifetime talented.
The fact that Aer Lingus sponsors them doesnt make Cluxton the player he is.
The likes of him and a few others will never come around again.
They will (started already) fade and whats coming down the line is no where near as special - Kildare are already beating Dublin at underage.
Arrra, g'wan outa that! ;D
No one from the inside seems to accept that the same "once in a lifetime players talented players" got stuffed in the Leinster semi final in 2010 by the most piss-poor Meath team of all time - an embarrassment to the great Meath warriors that went before them. Remember they became Leinster champions thanks to a certain Mr. Sludden. Prior to that game Dublin had clocked up a string of Leinsters but were not serious AI contenders in any of them.
In the wake of that defeat, the "Blue Flag" initiative was undertaken and the rest is history by now. Many of those who played on that fateful day against Meath are still chugging away and if you count in those who have retired since, the number who went on to starting bagging Celtic Crosses in 2011 and subsequent years covers just about everyone who lost that game.
So much for the talent of the players.
If talent alone was all that was needed, why are Dublin spending so much on team preparation?
Sure, I've heard the mantra that once those super players retire, they can never be replaced and Dublin will slip back into the pack once again.
Tell me, where have McCaffrey, McCarthy, Small, Fenton, Kilkenny and Costello come from? They were hardly found under a stone, were they?
Emmmm, they did beat Tyrone in the wake of the Meath debacle and only lost to Cork by a point but that doesn't suit your little story
Now, now you're being catty. ;D
I didn't make any mention of what happened next because it has no bearing on the point I was labouring to make.
Dublin got tanked by an abject Meath in 2010 yet went on to win the AI the following year.Basically, the players were the same in both years but the the outcome was markedly different and has been since then. My point here is that you and other say Dublin just happen to have super players at present and when they are gone, they are gone, sort of.
. If I accept that, the millions spent om preparing the team since then has been a waste of time and money since sheer, naked talent is the sole cause of their present form.
Where are the likes of Kilkenny, Costello and the rest I've mentioned coming from if not from a superb coaching and development structure?
Do you honestly believe that when Clucko and Berno and Dermo and the rest retire, Dublin will sink back into the pack once more?
They're already back in the pack though Lar. The pack being Kerry, Tyrone, Dublin and Mayo.
If it wasn't for Own goals, keeper having a nightmare, CoC missing the free, we wouldn't be talking about this
Some weeks ago I caught the tailend of a Simon Coveney interview on Newstalk.
Simon told the presenter that 40% of the Republic's population are now living in the Greater Dublin Region and by 2030 the percentage will top 50%. Furthermore, at present time 50% of the national resources are concentrated in this region.
He went on to waffle about the need to develop economic hubs in the likes of Galway, Limerick, Athlone and so on. That's a load of bollox and Coveney knows it.
Charlie McCreevy promised to do the same as part of FF's election strategy in the run up to (I think) the 2002 election. FF would transfer whole government departments to a number of centres around the country and this would serve as an economic stimulus in the regions concerned, thereby decreasing the rate of migration to the capital and everyone's garden would be rosy.
However, very few departmental personnel were willing to make the move and it was only the younger, less experienced ones who showed any worthwhile interest. You know, those without houses in the Dublin region or kids at school/ college or at work.
Once the election was over, a few mickey mouse attempts to to relocate some departments and then the whole exercise was quietly shelved.
I can't see the present shower doing any better so the imbalance will continue to grow and in GAA affairs the gap will continue to widen.
manfromdelmonte highlighted the imbalance in resources between Westmeath and Dublin two days ago and the the differences are stark. You can bear in mind that Westmeath is by ni means the poorest county in the country.
If things continue in this way, the GAA is well and truly horsed.
Imagine the craic if 21 Irish counties decided to amalgamate and field just one team. Going by the '16 census, Dublin has the same population as 21 of the least heavily populated counties.
Put it another way, Dublin has as many people as twice the province of Connacht.
That's bad enough but there's a double whammy involved here.
The % of people in Dublin who are involved in GAA matters is much less than in any other county. I mentioned the comparison between one middle of the road Dublin club, Erin's Isle, and the county of Cavan.
Isle's catchment area has as many people (c. 72,000) as the whole of Cavan. Cavan has 41 clubs according to the county website.
Don't mind Syferus, the rest of humanity doesn't and with good cause.
I don't hate Dublin but I am genuinely worried about the future of the GAA in the Ireland of the not-so-distant future.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 28, 2017, 03:34:24 PM
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Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 27, 2017, 05:51:10 PM
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Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 27, 2017, 03:15:41 PM
Quote from: Buttofthehill on June 27, 2017, 01:48:25 PM
Speaking of red lines...
No one from outside seems able to accept that at the moment Dublin have a batch of players that are once in a lifetime talented.
The fact that Aer Lingus sponsors them doesnt make Cluxton the player he is.
The likes of him and a few others will never come around again.
They will (started already) fade and whats coming down the line is no where near as special - Kildare are already beating Dublin at underage.
Arrra, g'wan outa that! ;D
No one from the inside seems to accept that the same "once in a lifetime players talented players" got stuffed in the Leinster semi final in 2010 by the most piss-poor Meath team of all time - an embarrassment to the great Meath warriors that went before them. Remember they became Leinster champions thanks to a certain Mr. Sludden. Prior to that game Dublin had clocked up a string of Leinsters but were not serious AI contenders in any of them.
In the wake of that defeat, the "Blue Flag" initiative was undertaken and the rest is history by now. Many of those who played on that fateful day against Meath are still chugging away and if you count in those who have retired since, the number who went on to starting bagging Celtic Crosses in 2011 and subsequent years covers just about everyone who lost that game.
So much for the talent of the players.
If talent alone was all that was needed, why are Dublin spending so much on team preparation?
Sure, I've heard the mantra that once those super players retire, they can never be replaced and Dublin will slip back into the pack once again.
Tell me, where have McCaffrey, McCarthy, Small, Fenton, Kilkenny and Costello come from? They were hardly found under a stone, were they?
Emmmm, they did beat Tyrone in the wake of the Meath debacle and only lost to Cork by a point but that doesn't suit your little story
Now, now you're being catty. ;D
I didn't make any mention of what happened next because it has no bearing on the point I was labouring to make.
Dublin got tanked by an abject Meath in 2010 yet went on to win the AI the following year.Basically, the players were the same in both years but the the outcome was markedly different and has been since then. My point here is that you and other say Dublin just happen to have super players at present and when they are gone, they are gone, sort of.
. If I accept that, the millions spent om preparing the team since then has been a waste of time and money since sheer, naked talent is the sole cause of their present form.
Where are the likes of Kilkenny, Costello and the rest I've mentioned coming from if not from a superb coaching and development structure?
Do you honestly believe that when Clucko and Berno and Dermo and the rest retire, Dublin will sink back into the pack once more?
They're already back in the pack though Lar. The pack being Kerry, Tyrone, Dublin and Mayo.
If it wasn't for Own goals, keeper having a nightmare, CoC missing the free, we wouldn't be talking about this
Some weeks ago I caught the tailend of a Simon Coveney interview on Newstalk.
Simon told the presenter that 40% of the Republic's population are now living in the Greater Dublin Region and by 2030 the percentage will top 50%. Furthermore, at present time 50% of the national resources are concentrated in this region.
He went on to waffle about the need to develop economic hubs in the likes of Galway, Limerick, Athlone and so on. That's a load of bollox and Coveney knows it.
Charlie McCreevy promised to do the same as part of FF's election strategy in the run up to (I think) the 2002 election. FF would transfer whole government departments to a number of centres around the country and this would serve as an economic stimulus in the regions concerned, thereby decreasing the rate of migration to the capital and everyone's garden would be rosy.
However, very few departmental personnel were willing to make the move and it was only the younger, less experienced ones who showed any worthwhile interest. You know, those without houses in the Dublin region or kids at school/ college or at work.
Once the election was over, a few mickey mouse attempts to to relocate some departments and then the whole exercise was quietly shelved.
I can't see the present shower doing any better so the imbalance will continue to grow and in GAA affairs the gap will continue to widen.
manfromdelmonte highlighted the imbalance in resources between Westmeath and Dublin two days ago and the the differences are stark. You can bear in mind that Westmeath is by ni means the poorest county in the country.
If things continue in this way, the GAA is well and truly horsed.
Imagine the craic if 21 Irish counties decided to amalgamate and field just one team. Going by the '16 census, Dublin has the same population as 21 of the least heavily populated counties.
Put it another way, Dublin has as many people as twice the province of Connacht.
That's bad enough but there's a double whammy involved here.
The % of people in Dublin who are involved in GAA matters is much less than in any other county. I mentioned the comparison between one middle of the road Dublin club, Erin's Isle, and the county of Cavan.
Isle's catchment area has as many people (c. 72,000) as the whole of Cavan. Cavan has 41 clubs according to the county website.
Don't mind Syferus, the rest of humanity doesn't and with good cause.
I don't hate Dublin but I am genuinely worried about the future of the GAA in the Ireland of the not-so-distant future.
What McCreevy tried to do was absolutely correct, they just made a bollix of the execution. Equally, what Coveney was saying made complete sense but since he's not taoiseach, it's unlikely to be prioritised - perhaps Coveney wouldn't have followed through but it's a bit rich to complain about them trying ffs!!!
Only just saw Gavin's press conference. What a f*cking tool, no credibility whatsoever.
Brolly and Yes Dessie keeping up the usual rubbish TSG punditry standards, that program needs to be canned and started from scratch again with a whole new cast.
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 28, 2017, 08:43:14 PM
Only just saw Gavin's press conference. What a f*cking tool, no credibility whatsoever.
Brolly and Yes Dessie keeping up the usual rubbish TSG punditry standards, that program needs to be canned and started from scratch again with a whole new cast.
If they did ye'd still be complaining.
You think there's a good standard of pundit on TSG? :o
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 28, 2017, 08:55:02 PM
You think there's a good standard of pundit on TSG? :o
I think there is no pundit in existsence this forum won't whine about. The closest we got was TG4's GAA clip shows and that's mainly because no one actually watched it - if they had he'd know the likes of Sean Ban are just as petty and shite as any RTÉ pundit you care to mention.
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Quote from: macdanger2 on June 28, 2017, 08:55:02 PM
You think there's a good standard of pundit on TSG? :o
I think there is no pundit in existsence this forum won't whine about. The closest we got was TG4's GAA clip shows and that's mainly because no one actually watched it,
So because we can't get someone that everyone would be happy with, we shouldn't complain about what we do have??
Had to turn the twats off when brolly started shiting on about "anarchy".
Punditry is an entertainment Business. How do you think O'Rourke, Spillane and Brolly are still in the Hot seats? Most people who watch Football don't care or know what is going on in a game. They look at the scores, they look at 'Controversial' decisions they look at characters. A real analyst would more than likely be boring to the status quo. Sunday Game Analysis are a bit like X-factor Judges, they know the sound bytes of the Business. They'll talk up who they want to talk up and in equal measure they'll put down who they want to put down. It's Punch and Judy! Good Cop, Bad Cop! It's all about the story - the competitor is the sub-plot to the headline. Look at the last couple of weeks - Bernard Flynn, Pat Spillane and the usual Brolly rant all in the headlines. All wanting the headline. RTE are only glad of this, they are selling a TV show. Just like X-factor are selling a TV show. If you get a Star singer or a good game that's a bonus.
That shit is largely gone or going in other sports though - hook is gone, Giles gone, dunphy not always on. Cunningham and Sadlier are decent and put a bit of effort in their analysis instead of just clichés. Same with Horgan & O'gara (although I wouldn't know enough about rugby to really judge them). On TSG, it's just bland (Dolan, plamas, Carr, etc) or bullshit (brolly, Spillane, o'rourke, etc)
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 27, 2017, 03:15:41 PM
Quote from: Buttofthehill on June 27, 2017, 01:48:25 PM
Speaking of red lines...
No one from outside seems able to accept that at the moment Dublin have a batch of players that are once in a lifetime talented.
The fact that Aer Lingus sponsors them doesnt make Cluxton the player he is.
The likes of him and a few others will never come around again.
They will (started already) fade and whats coming down the line is no where near as special - Kildare are already beating Dublin at underage.
Arrra, g'wan outa that! ;D
No one from the inside seems to accept that the same "once in a lifetime players talented players" got stuffed in the Leinster semi final in 2010 by the most piss-poor Meath team of all time - an embarrassment to the great Meath warriors that went before them. Remember they became Leinster champions thanks to a certain Mr. Sludden. Prior to that game Dublin had clocked up a string of Leinsters but were not serious AI contenders in any of them.
In the wake of that defeat, the "Blue Flag" initiative was undertaken and the rest is history by now. Many of those who played on that fateful day against Meath are still chugging away and if you count in those who have retired since, the number who went on to starting bagging Celtic Crosses in 2011 and subsequent years covers just about everyone who lost that game.
So much for the talent of the players.
If talent alone was all that was needed, why are Dublin spending so much on team preparation?
Sure, I've heard the mantra that once those super players retire, they can never be replaced and Dublin will slip back into the pack once again.
Tell me, where have McCaffrey, McCarthy, Small, Fenton, Kilkenny and Costello come from? They were hardly found under a stone, were they?
Them players were already on the scene before the Blue Wave initiative which had nothing to do with Meath result. McCarthy was on bench in 2010,McCaffrey, Kilkenny, Small were first year minors, Costello was on 16s. Gilroy tweaked the training that year to peak later in season. The back door wins against Armagh and Tyrone especially gave the team huge confidence to bring us to the next level.