I think today we will see Kerry defeat the dubs. Jack Barry will start today and will cause havoc when runs at dubs backs. Kerry plan will be to split the dublin defence and I expect the kingdom boys to rack up at least 3 goals with Paul Geaney(best forward in country) like to score a goal or two. Kerry will be more hungrier and will have a referee who is not afraid to make calls. To me dublin look liked have peaked too early. Kerry have the more natural footballers and i expect them to win by around 4 points.
Wrong... Kerry's day is coming with all the young talent they have as well as established players but Dubs are heading to the championship as an irresistable force... #boomboom
Watch Jack Barry. Will run riot today. Darran Sullivan and Sheehan will cause Dublin trouble from the bench
Quote from: mayoaremagic on April 09, 2017, 02:22:15 PM
Darran Sullivan and Sheehan will cause Dublin trouble from the bench
What will they do, shout witty yerras at the them?
http://mediastore.magnumphotos.com/CoreXDoc/MAG/Media/TR7/8/0/f/5/PAR46678.jpg
Hunger, peaked too soon, more natural footballers... I think you forgot one or two, but you got most of them alright.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on April 09, 2017, 02:33:19 PM
Hunger, peaked too soon, more natural footballers... I think you forgot one or two, but you got most of them alright.
most cliches there right enough
Kerry should wrap this up. By far better team and have wind in second half
What a score from both teams there !!
Great game and to think the Dublin players won't even have had their annual EPO shot yet! ;)
Great game. Now we only have to wait till August to see another decent one.
Quote from: mrdeeds on April 09, 2017, 05:48:49 PM
Great game. Now we only have to wait till August to see another decent one.
There's plenty of good games that don't involve Dublin.
Quote from: mrdeeds on April 09, 2017, 05:48:49 PM
Great game. Now we only have to wait till August to see another decent one.
God no Mr Deeds, Donegal play a lot sooner than that ;D ;D ;D ;D
Excellent game.
Dublin lost but lost like champions and also have those missed chances at the end to rue.
The Kerry captain was preparing that speech for the last 7 days, as if with some confidence that he would have to deliver it.
Fair play to Kerry and galway winning. Natural football won out at end of day
Prophetic and wise words from mayoaremagic.
Quote from: Syferus on April 09, 2017, 05:49:50 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on April 09, 2017, 05:48:49 PM
Great game. Now we only have to wait till August to see another decent one.
There's plenty of good games that don't involve Dublin.
Yeah but usually at All Ireland quarter stage unlike league where games have being quality every week.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 09, 2017, 05:52:35 PM
Prophetic and wise words from mayoaremagic.
He got it right, hats off. Still think end of September Sam will be in Dublin...
Quote from: longballin link=topic=27819.msg1686497#msg1686497 Still think end of September Sam will be in Dublin...
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He will be there in mid September but will he be staying?
Be great to see him heading to Monaghan ;D ( if we don't win it - in accordance with the exception year plan)
Quote from: mrdeeds on April 09, 2017, 05:53:53 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 09, 2017, 05:49:50 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on April 09, 2017, 05:48:49 PM
Great game. Now we only have to wait till August to see another decent one.
There's plenty of good games that don't involve Dublin.
Yeah but usually at All Ireland quarter stage unlike league where games have being quality every week.
I don't know what matches you've been watching to think there's been quaility every week beyond what you get in the championship. Much more aimless, heartless football played in the league but the compressed scheduling means those games are ignored.
As expected the referee was clearly out of his depth and his assistants weren't much better.
When will the best officials be allocated to the top games?
The two best refs in the country live and work in Dublin.
As such, if they ref a game and Dublin wins (which is most games they play) they're accused of bias.
Which is a shame.
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 09, 2017, 08:17:34 PM
As expected the referee was clearly out of his depth and his assistants weren't much better.
When will the best officials be allocated to the top games?
Ah come on, fair is fair the ref done a good job today.Always amazes me when some one who is at least 60 yards away from the play thinks they can see better than some one who is no more than 10 yards away from the play
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 09, 2017, 08:17:34 PM
As expected the referee was clearly out of his depth and his assistants weren't much better.
When will the best officials be allocated to the top games?
What game were you watching where the referee and his assistants out of their depth? and who are the best officials??
The Ref and assistants were good in the Dublin v Kerry final today they played a huge part in allowing a good game flow and thats what any follower of this sport wants to see from officials.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 09, 2017, 08:19:52 PM
The two best refs in the country live and work in Dublin.
As such, if they ref a game and Dublin wins (which is most games they play) they're accused of bias.
Which is a shame.
Didn't know Neilan lives in Dublin.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on April 09, 2017, 09:51:27 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 09, 2017, 08:17:34 PM
As expected the referee was clearly out of his depth and his assistants weren't much better.
When will the best officials be allocated to the top games?
What game were you watching where the referee and his assistants out of their depth? and who are the best officials??
The Ref and assistants were good in the Dublin v Kerry final today they played a huge part in allowing a good game flow and thats what any follower of this sport wants to see from officials.
Well, to take one player, James McCarthy assaulted two players most likely with a closed fist in one instance and with enough force in the other to cause the players had to violently rock back. Philly McMahon should also have seen the line for his closed fist connecting with Kerry players though perhaps without the malice or intention of his team mate. The lack of consistency increased as the game became more frenetic and yellow cards were dished out in some instances where blacks were needed and in other cases when similar or greater offences had previously been missed or waved on. Branagan had to spend most of the game trying to keep his inexperienced colleague right. What was the Cluxton yellow card for? Was it for something that happened at the end of the first half or before the game started as the linesman held the ball in the middle having sent the referee to deal with the goalkeeper. Failing to deal with Kerry players being hit on the back of the head, falling to the ground clutching their faces and then taking a look up to see if a card was being used only to realise the referee was no where nearby.
If Dublin has the best referees as residents, then it would be expected that a referee with greatest experience at the highest level would have been appointed.
There have been 35 games in the National League this year, but today's referee, Paddy Neilan has refereed only three League games this year - two in Division 2 (Derry v Down, Down v Galway) and one in Division 3 (Sligo v Armagh). Last year, was appointed for only one Division 1 game and did not feature beyond Round 4 of the qualifiers in the championship.
It all depends on what the ref seen, not what the 30 cameras seen, that recorded things....
But you'd know that, watched second half, he did rightly
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 09, 2017, 10:58:16 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on April 09, 2017, 09:51:27 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 09, 2017, 08:17:34 PM
As expected the referee was clearly out of his depth and his assistants weren't much better.
When will the best officials be allocated to the top games?
What game were you watching where the referee and his assistants out of their depth? and who are the best officials??
The Ref and assistants were good in the Dublin v Kerry final today they played a huge part in allowing a good game flow and thats what any follower of this sport wants to see from officials.
Well, to take one player, James McCarthy assaulted two players most likely with a closed fist in one instance and with enough force in the other to cause the players had to violently rock back. Philly McMahon should also have seen the line for his closed fist connecting with Kerry players though perhaps without the malice or intention of his team mate. The lack of consistency increased as the game became more frenetic and yellow cards were dished out in some instances where blacks were needed and in other cases when similar or greater offences had previously been missed or waved on. Branagan had to spend most of the game trying to keep his inexperienced colleague right. What was the Cluxton yellow card for? Was it for something that happened at the end of the first half or before the game started as the linesman held the ball in the middle having sent the referee to deal with the goalkeeper. Failing to deal with Kerry players being hit on the back of the head, falling to the ground clutching their faces and then taking a look up to see if a card was being used only to realise the referee was no where nearby.
If Dublin has the best referees as residents, then it would be expected that a referee with greatest experience at the highest level would have been appointed.
There have been 35 games in the National League this year, but today's referee, Paddy Neilan has refereed only three League games this year - two in Division 2 (Derry v Down, Down v Galway) and one in Division 3 (Sligo v Armagh). Last year, was appointed for only one Division 1 game and did not feature beyond Round 4 of the qualifiers in the championship.
Seems like we've got a joirno writing his Tuesday thinkpiece among us, or you really like looking up obtuse facts..
Neilan was very good today.
Quote from: Syferus on April 10, 2017, 12:01:51 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 09, 2017, 10:58:16 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on April 09, 2017, 09:51:27 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 09, 2017, 08:17:34 PM
As expected the referee was clearly out of his depth and his assistants weren't much better.
When will the best officials be allocated to the top games?
What game were you watching where the referee and his assistants out of their depth? and who are the best officials??
The Ref and assistants were good in the Dublin v Kerry final today they played a huge part in allowing a good game flow and thats what any follower of this sport wants to see from officials.
Well, to take one player, James McCarthy assaulted two players most likely with a closed fist in one instance and with enough force in the other to cause the players had to violently rock back. Philly McMahon should also have seen the line for his closed fist connecting with Kerry players though perhaps without the malice or intention of his team mate. The lack of consistency increased as the game became more frenetic and yellow cards were dished out in some instances where blacks were needed and in other cases when similar or greater offences had previously been missed or waved on. Branagan had to spend most of the game trying to keep his inexperienced colleague right. What was the Cluxton yellow card for? Was it for something that happened at the end of the first half or before the game started as the linesman held the ball in the middle having sent the referee to deal with the goalkeeper. Failing to deal with Kerry players being hit on the back of the head, falling to the ground clutching their faces and then taking a look up to see if a card was being used only to realise the referee was no where nearby.
If Dublin has the best referees as residents, then it would be expected that a referee with greatest experience at the highest level would have been appointed.
There have been 35 games in the National League this year, but today's referee, Paddy Neilan has refereed only three League games this year - two in Division 2 (Derry v Down, Down v Galway) and one in Division 3 (Sligo v Armagh). Last year, was appointed for only one Division 1 game and did not feature beyond Round 4 of the qualifiers in the championship.
Seems like we've got a joirno writing his Tuesday thinkpiece among us, or you really like looking up obtuse facts..
Neilan was very good today.
I agree. Every referee is on a hiding to nothing when he takes charge. Those who find little or no fault with him are inclined to say nothing and those who disagree with him, go to town on the poor man. Often as not, his critics are wrong- prejudice gets in the way of fact. I have heard criticism of Neilan from both camps so it's fair to assume he did a good job. ;D
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 09, 2017, 10:58:16 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on April 09, 2017, 09:51:27 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 09, 2017, 08:17:34 PM
As expected the referee was clearly out of his depth and his assistants weren't much better.
When will the best officials be allocated to the top games?
What game were you watching where the referee and his assistants out of their depth? and who are the best officials??
The Ref and assistants were good in the Dublin v Kerry final today they played a huge part in allowing a good game flow and thats what any follower of this sport wants to see from officials.
Well, to take one player, James McCarthy assaulted two players most likely with a closed fist in one instance and with enough force in the other to cause the players had to violently rock back. Philly McMahon should also have seen the line for his closed fist connecting with Kerry players though perhaps without the malice or intention of his team mate. The lack of consistency increased as the game became more frenetic and yellow cards were dished out in some instances where blacks were needed and in other cases when similar or greater offences had previously been missed or waved on. Branagan had to spend most of the game trying to keep his inexperienced colleague right. What was the Cluxton yellow card for? Was it for something that happened at the end of the first half or before the game started as the linesman held the ball in the middle having sent the referee to deal with the goalkeeper. Failing to deal with Kerry players being hit on the back of the head, falling to the ground clutching their faces and then taking a look up to see if a card was being used only to realise the referee was no where nearby.
If Dublin has the best referees as residents, then it would be expected that a referee with greatest experience at the highest level would have been appointed.
There have been 35 games in the National League this year, but today's referee, Paddy Neilan has refereed only three League games this year - two in Division 2 (Derry v Down, Down v Galway) and one in Division 3 (Sligo v Armagh). Last year, was appointed for only one Division 1 game and did not feature beyond Round 4 of the qualifiers in the championship.
Do you really think wannabe UFC figher Mcmahon is unaware of when his is fist closed and he's throwing a punch . Mccarthy always reminds me of a you foal so ungainly and awkward but philiy i suspect always knows what hes at and probably should have got 2 red cards yesterday .
no idea what clucktons card was for buut i think TG4 mention 'questioning the Majority' was only half listening at thah stage
The Dubs have an awful habit of making contact with the face/head of the man in possession.
Usually it's not with a closed fist.
They're more subtle than that.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 10, 2017, 10:43:05 AM
The Dubs have an awful habit of making contact with the face/head of the man in possession.
Usually it's not with a closed fist.
They're more subtle than that.
the clothesline Ciaran whelan style has gone out of fashion too . Maybe he Trademarked it,
Referee was just okay, made mistakes for both sides but didn't make any match changing bad decisions so I suppose those mistakes were not highlighted as much. However an inexperienced referee should not have been appointed to referee a national final in the first place.
Kerry deserved the victory I thought. The great unspoken is the fact that Dublin will clearly struggle to maintain the hunger levels this year. After today I would think that Kerry will be the team to beat this year. The reality is that Dublin should have lost 3 games in this years national league but Kerry, Tyrone and Monaghan all bottled it with the winning post in sight. They have been stumbling their way through games and a few of their bigger players look past their best. They will still cruise into the last 8 but the manic aggression needed to win an AI in the modern era will be absent when needed most. With a lot of big players to come back into that Kerry side I think they will take all the beating and could dominate over the next 5/6 years with a lot of talented young players coming through.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 10, 2017, 10:43:05 AM
The Dubs have an awful habit of making contact with the face/head of the man in possession.
Usually it's not with a closed fist.
They're more subtle than that.
It's the glove slap. The Dubs have felt their honor has been insulted too many times by opposition players not spilling up the ball to them, now they wear dueling gloves and go around slapping in the tackle.
It could have evolved in 2012, around the time of the Simpson glove slap episode when Homer got inspired after watching Zorro in the cinema.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmvSgvy7a34 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmvSgvy7a34)
"Glove slap, I don't take crap!
Glove slap, Shut your big yap!"
The Dublin bench as ever made a huge difference, Gavin was probably too slow to make changes although in fairness to Brogan & Andrews there wasn't a whole lot of ball coming their way during the 3rd quarter.
Kerry were deserving winners but still think they lack pace in that forward line, that forward line won't beat Dublin come September. JOD was obviously missing yesterday but his injuries are starting to mount up at the moment so you have to wonder about his future.
Surprised McCaffrey didn't come on.
Quotethat forward line won't beat Dublin come September.
;)
McCaffrey was injured after he scored the goal in the last match.
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 10, 2017, 01:39:20 PM
McCaffrey was injured after he scored the goal in the last match.
Looked like he pulled his hamstring after that goal so I'd imagine that he was unavailable yesterday. Has had ongoing hamstring issues for a while now.
Quote from: Syferus on April 10, 2017, 12:01:51 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 09, 2017, 10:58:16 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on April 09, 2017, 09:51:27 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 09, 2017, 08:17:34 PM
As expected the referee was clearly out of his depth and his assistants weren't much better.
When will the best officials be allocated to the top games?
What game were you watching where the referee and his assistants out of their depth? and who are the best officials??
The Ref and assistants were good in the Dublin v Kerry final today they played a huge part in allowing a good game flow and thats what any follower of this sport wants to see from officials.
Well, to take one player, James McCarthy assaulted two players most likely with a closed fist in one instance and with enough force in the other to cause the players had to violently rock back. Philly McMahon should also have seen the line for his closed fist connecting with Kerry players though perhaps without the malice or intention of his team mate. The lack of consistency increased as the game became more frenetic and yellow cards were dished out in some instances where blacks were needed and in other cases when similar or greater offences had previously been missed or waved on. Branagan had to spend most of the game trying to keep his inexperienced colleague right. What was the Cluxton yellow card for? Was it for something that happened at the end of the first half or before the game started as the linesman held the ball in the middle having sent the referee to deal with the goalkeeper. Failing to deal with Kerry players being hit on the back of the head, falling to the ground clutching their faces and then taking a look up to see if a card was being used only to realise the referee was no where nearby.
If Dublin has the best referees as residents, then it would be expected that a referee with greatest experience at the highest level would have been appointed.
There have been 35 games in the National League this year, but today's referee, Paddy Neilan has refereed only three League games this year - two in Division 2 (Derry v Down, Down v Galway) and one in Division 3 (Sligo v Armagh). Last year, was appointed for only one Division 1 game and did not feature beyond Round 4 of the qualifiers in the championship.
Seems like we've got a joirno writing his Tuesday thinkpiece among us, or you really like looking up obtuse facts..
Neilan was very good today.
Obtuse? How can facts be 'annoyingly insensitive or slow to understand' surely obtuse would be more related to opinions or attitudes or actions.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/obtuse (https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/obtuse)
I forgot Paddy Neilan was from Roscommon.
BTW the information was provided by a number of media sources during the week after the GAA announced his surprise appointment when many more experienced referees were available for a national final.
Quote from: maigheo on April 09, 2017, 09:03:58 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 09, 2017, 08:17:34 PM
As expected the referee was clearly out of his depth and his assistants weren't much better.
When will the best officials be allocated to the top games?
Ah come on, fair is fair the ref done a good job today.Always amazes me when some one who is at least 60 yards away from the play thinks they can see better than some one who is no more than 10 yards away from the play
The rules let the ref down yesterday and yet again it was the cursed black card.
I won't stick up for Tyrone very often but if they had committed the 2 black card offences that Kerry did yesterday then there'd be
national uproar but we daren't say anything bad against kerry. Brolly would have had a field day on the Sundasy game.
The one in the first half was pretty much the same as what cavanagh did to mcmanus a few years ago and then
the other one in the last minute was just outrageous cycnicism (that was rewarded). Maybe if the punishment for those kind of
offences was anautomatic penalty or 14 yard free then it might stop. Instead we now have black cards for stupid things while the
very thing that it was supposed to address continues