A couple of threads - most recently Dinny's - have refreshed my mind with something that really bothers me about the Association.
The fact that the GAA does not entirely support and administrate all versions of our games is a layover from a bygone age but that the approach remains and we tolerate our daughters, sisters, etc being treated as second class citizens is a scandal and an indictment on all of us who continue to accept the status quo and the neglect of potentially 50% of our membership.
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This does my tits in. It is the ladies associations THEMSELVES that want to remain outside the GAA.
It really pisses me off when people make comments like 'The GAA don't let the ladies use Croker on blah blah, or whatever'. The GAA does not make LGFA or Camogie Fixtures, they do not organise the tournaments or run the associations. It's like blaming the GAA for treating the womens soccer team poorly.
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 28, 2017, 11:03:08 AM
This does my tits in. It is the ladies associations THEMSELVES that want to remain outside the GAA.
It really pisses me off when people make comments like 'The GAA don't let the ladies use Croker on blah blah, or whatever'. The GAA does not make LGFA or Camogie Fixtures, they do not organise the tournaments or run the associations. It's like blaming the GAA for treating the womens soccer team poorly.
+1
We don't AZ but we should. This status should never have occurred originally but that it remains is ridiculous. I appreciate that the LGFA in particular have dragged their feet on integration but it needs sorted.
It does my tits in sending sons and daughters to vastly different environments for the gaelic games activities.
Quote from: DuffleKing on March 28, 2017, 11:09:01 AM
We don't AZ but we should. This status should never have occurred originally but that it remains is ridiculous. I appreciate that the LGFA in particular have dragged their feet on integration but it needs sorted.
It does my tits in sending sons and daughters to vastly different environments for the gaelic games activities.
We should?? We should TELL the women "Sorry ladies, we're going to run this for ye?". Do you not think the women themselves should have some say in who runs their affairs? And as it stands, they are relatively happy to co-exist, rather than be subsumed into the GAA.
So the GAA is NOT sexist. If it were sexist, the Camogie and LGFA would receive a lot less co-operation than they do. And I know the GAA would like to bring both associations more into the fold.
The other associations are not all "ladies". Common mistake until you examine the administrators and decision makers.
We should not "tell" anyone anything but it is incumbent upon us (The GAA) to take a lead on making this step. That Ladies Football and Camogie had to initiate their bodies to provide games (none were provided by the GAA) indicates a deep sexism that I believe we are obliged to address. Otherwise we are akin to the British when they say "Yea but N Ireland is historically separate from the Republic"
Quote from: DuffleKing on March 28, 2017, 11:30:48 AM
The other associations are not all "ladies". Common mistake until you examine the administrators and decision makers.
We should not "tell" anyone anything but it is incumbent upon us (The GAA) to take a lead on making this step. That Ladies Football and Camogie had to initiate their bodies to provide games (none were provided by the GAA) indicates a deep sexism that I believe we are obliged to address. Otherwise we are akin to the British when they say "Yea but N Ireland is historically separate from the Republic"
You are way off base here. The GAA has made overtures to the ladies associations. They have been listened to, and those associations themselves will decide if and when they will apply to join the GAA. You are making something out of nothing here, and holding the GAA to account for something that is not within its gift to go any further with.
There's a load of things you can beat the GAA up about. This is not one of them.
I can if I want :P
Looking narrowly at the environment that our sons and daughters play our games in it is very frustrating and certainly does not reflect my view of an inclusive community association.
You can argue that remedying the situation is not straight forward but the evolution of separate bodies for female sports is entirely the fault of the GAA.
I can't stand sexism.
The GAA should look after both genders.
And if the women don't want this, who cares?
They should do what they're told.
Quote from: Jinxy on March 28, 2017, 12:02:58 PM
I can't stand sexism.
The GAA should look after both genders.
And if the women don't want this, who cares?
They should do what they're told.
:)
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 28, 2017, 11:03:08 AM
This does my tits in. It is the ladies associations THEMSELVES that want to remain outside the GAA.
It really pisses me off when people make comments like 'The GAA don't let the ladies use Croker on blah blah, or whatever'. The GAA does not make LGFA or Camogie Fixtures, they do not organise the tournaments or run the associations. It's like blaming the GAA for treating the womens soccer team poorly.
Well said, it is a bit sad when someone on a GAA discussion board starts this type of thread.
Now listen very carefully because this bears repeating.
Camogie and Ladies' football are not governed by the GAA.
Camogie and Ladies' football are not governed by the GAA.
Camogie and Ladies' football are not governed by the GAA.
Camogie and Ladies' football are not governed by the GAA.
Camogie and Ladies' football are not governed by the GAA.
Camogie and Ladies' football are not governed by the GAA.
Camogie and Ladies' football are not governed by the GAA.
Camogie and Ladies' football are not governed by the GAA.
Camogie and Ladies' football are not governed by the GAA.
Camogie and Ladies' football are not governed by the GAA.
Capiche?
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 28, 2017, 06:45:09 PM
Now listen very carefully because this bears repeating.
Camogie and Ladies' football are not governed by the GAA.
Camogie and Ladies' football are not governed by the GAA.
Camogie and Ladies' football are not governed by the GAA.
Camogie and Ladies' football are not governed by the GAA.
Camogie and Ladies' football are not governed by the GAA.
Camogie and Ladies' football are not governed by the GAA.
Camogie and Ladies' football are not governed by the GAA.
Camogie and Ladies' football are not governed by the GAA.
Camogie and Ladies' football are not governed by the GAA.
Camogie and Ladies' football are not governed by the GAA.
Capiche?
Are you not grasping that this is my point or are you being ironic?
How does it sit so comfortably with everyone that the association has created an environment where female gaels who wish to play out games were not and still aren't accommodated within the GAA.
Our very own partition
Quote from: DuffleKing on March 28, 2017, 07:28:59 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 28, 2017, 06:45:09 PM
Now listen very carefully because this bears repeating.
Camogie and Ladies' football are not governed by the GAA.
Camogie and Ladies' football are not governed by the GAA.
Camogie and Ladies' football are not governed by the GAA.
Camogie and Ladies' football are not governed by the GAA.
Camogie and Ladies' football are not governed by the GAA.
Camogie and Ladies' football are not governed by the GAA.
Camogie and Ladies' football are not governed by the GAA.
Camogie and Ladies' football are not governed by the GAA.
Camogie and Ladies' football are not governed by the GAA.
Camogie and Ladies' football are not governed by the GAA.
Capiche?
Are you not grasping that this is my point or are you being ironic?
How does it sit so comfortably with everyone that the association has created an environment where female gaels who wish to play out games were not and still aren't accommodated within the GAA.
Our very own partition
Having just read this thread, I sense that you're just trolling now, as you've been given an adequate answer to your question. In the event that you haven't bothered reading any of the replies above, then read this.
https://www.google.ie/amp/amp.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/hernon-gaa-merger-would-swallow-us-up-253971.html
You are pointing to the fact that the Galway ladies secretary is an amadan that eloquently outlines the case against her own position as some sort of support for this continued partition? You are aware, surely, that the more enlightened Clare Chairman and Anna Geary directly contradict this position in the same article?
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lub8xuUYHI1qg0xaio1_500.jpg)
Quote from: DuffleKing on March 28, 2017, 08:17:53 PM
You are pointing to the fact that the Galway ladies secretary is an amadan that eloquently outlines the case against her own position as some sort of support for this continued partition? You are aware, surely, that the more enlightened Clare Chairman and Anna Geary directly contradict this position in the same article?
I'm pointing out that the GAA are ready when the LGFA are.
This crap is popping up more and more recently.a couple of years ago there were headlines made when the men's prize for a poc fada competition was a lot better than the woman's prize,I think it was a holiday compared to a tracksuit,something like that.
it was pointed out that the gaa didn't run the ladies competition,and that it was the camogie association that organised the ladies prize.was that a suitable explanation?of course it wasn't.you still had a load of eejits saying 'ok..yeah..but still...'.much the same as the original poster.
The ladies footballers and camogs are well taken care of by the gaa from what I can gather.
Camogie and LGFA don't want to lose their separate funding, while piggybacking on the GAA facilities and structures.
Simple as
And here's the best part. Camogie and LGF have been under the GAA umbrella in the USA and continental Europe for donkey's years. It actually works really well.
Time we had wemen umpires.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 28, 2017, 11:32:58 PM
And here's the best part. Camogie and LGF have been under the GAA umbrella in the USA and continental Europe for donkey's years. It actually works really well.
Agreed, the North American tournaments are great because they are combined events. There's a real buzz about them.
But Eamonn, on suspensions and the like, are they handed down by GAA NACB, or is there a separate LGFA and Camogie NACB that does that?
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 29, 2017, 12:25:51 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 28, 2017, 11:32:58 PM
And here's the best part. Camogie and LGF have been under the GAA umbrella in the USA and continental Europe for donkey's years. It actually works really well.
Agreed, the North American tournaments are great because they are combined events. There's a real bus about them.
But Eamonn, on suspensions and the like, are they handed down by GAA NACB, or is there a separate LGFA and Camogie NACB that does that?
Surely not as good as the Rossie one?
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 28, 2017, 11:32:58 PM
And here's the best part. Camogie and LGF have been under the GAA umbrella in the USA and continental Europe for donkey's years. It actually works really well.
That's not the real GAA, all sorts of strange things happen over there.
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 29, 2017, 12:25:51 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 28, 2017, 11:32:58 PM
And here's the best part. Camogie and LGF have been under the GAA umbrella in the USA and continental Europe for donkey's years. It actually works really well.
Agreed, the North American tournaments are great because they are combined events. There's a real buzz about them.
But Eamonn, on suspensions and the like, are they handed down by GAA NACB, or is there a separate LGFA and Camogie NACB that does that?
It's the NACB that handles it. The playing rules are taken from the rule books of the respective organizations, but disciplinary rules and voting rules are taken from the GAA Official Guide.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 29, 2017, 03:15:02 PM
That's not the real GAA, all sorts of strange things happen over there.
Quiet.