No, not a football match but a topic that most people are avoiding discussion on. The recent diplomatic incidents between the countries have revealed the tension that is starting to form in the streets in europe. Current Dutch Prime minister could lose his position very easily as the voting population see riots in their neighbourhoods. Turkey could pull the plug on marshalling their borders if their diplomats are expelled.
Is this the way the EU project was supposed to go and something that european citizens need to get used to?
Maybe get a few Irish firms to build some walls a la Trump? Crazy and scary times ahead.
Was only a matter of time before Srebrenica was mentioned
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39270095
Funny how the members of this board are reluctant to comment on the topic. 170 views and not a peep from the usual suspects.
As you say it's interesting how Erdogan is using these Bosnia 'facts' now to make political gains.
Very dangerous words are being used - calling the dutch Nazi's seem to be straight out of the US Democrats playbook.
It's going to push more dutch citizens into voting for the nationalist party and causing a bigger rift in society if Wilders wins and carries out his election promises.
If he does then expect riots and protests throughout europe and in turn more nationalist parties in other countries making significant gains. It ain't going to be pretty.
Wilders might win but can't see him ending up in government seeing as all the other parties have refused to negotiate or deal with him at all.
Quote from: foxcommander on March 15, 2017, 01:42:16 PM
Funny how the members of this board are reluctant to comment on the topic. 170 views and not a peep from the usual suspects.
As you say it's interesting how Erdogan is using these Bosnia 'facts' now to make political gains.
Very dangerous words are being used - calling the dutch Nazi's seem to be straight out of the US Democrats playbook.
It's going to push more dutch citizens into voting for the nationalist party and causing a bigger rift in society if Wilders wins and carries out his election promises.
If he does then expect riots and protests throughout europe and in turn more nationalist parties in other countries making significant gains. It ain't going to be pretty.
Political observers in Netherlands reckon the government's (manly) actions have gained favour with public opinion,
nevertheless, this high profile spat has had minimal effect on voting intentions
http://nltimes.nl/2017/03/14/turkey-row-immediate-impact-dutch-election-polling (http://nltimes.nl/2017/03/14/turkey-row-immediate-impact-dutch-election-polling)
Quote from: OgraAnDun on March 15, 2017, 02:20:41 PM
Wilders might win but can't see him ending up in government seeing as all the other parties have refused to negotiate or deal with him at all.
Certainly going to be an interesting result and a barometer for the rest of europe.
Its hard to know how to judge this ... is it just a lot of hot air or is it par for the course of how the world is going .. i.e. Europe splitting up, USA retreating into itself, generally being more irritable with your neighbours etc...
Too early to tell yet if the world is going back to an early 20th Century footing :(
All well need then is some lad to be shot in Sarajevo :o
Quote from: Rossfan on March 15, 2017, 07:13:43 PM
All well need then is some lad to be shot in Sarajevo :o
For once you might actually be right. One incident to kick off rioting all over europe.
Quote from: AhNowRef on March 15, 2017, 03:26:07 PM
Its hard to know how to judge this ... is it just a lot of hot air or is it par for the course of how the world is going .. i.e. Europe splitting up, USA retreating into itself, generally being more irritable with your neighbours etc...
Too early to tell yet if the world is going back to an early 20th Century footing :(
Russia stirring things on the eastern front too. Throw in Isis as well. Interesting times ahead for sure.
Dutch election: PM Rutte sees off anti-EU Wilders challenge - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39285803
Mid and West European Countries which suffered the Nazi jackboot are not inclined to elect Nazi racist xenophobespecially to lead them..
Unlike the Brits/Yanks and Poles/Hungarians.
Quote from: Rossfan on March 16, 2017, 10:52:28 AM
Mid and West European Countries which suffered the Nazi jackboot are not inclined to elect Nazi racist xenophobespecially to lead them..
Unlike the Brits/Yanks and Poles/Hungarians.
Wouldn't be so sure about that. The French and the Dutch have both given significant votes to right and far right parties.
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 16, 2017, 11:09:21 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 16, 2017, 10:52:28 AM
Mid and West European Countries which suffered the Nazi jackboot are not inclined to elect Nazi racist xenophobespecially to lead them..
Unlike the Brits/Yanks and Poles/Hungarians.
Wouldn't be so sure about that. The French and the Dutch have both given significant votes to right and far right parties.
Thankfully there's not enough wingnuts in France and the Netherlands to give these lads any power... unlike America!
The tide of intolerance is turning... hopefully this is the beginning of the end of this nonsense!!
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Quote from: AZOffaly on March 16, 2017, 11:09:21 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 16, 2017, 10:52:28 AM
Mid and West European Countries which suffered the Nazi jackboot are not inclined to elect Nazi racist xenophobespecially to lead them..
Unlike the Brits/Yanks and Poles/Hungarians.
Wouldn't be so sure about that. The French and the Dutch have both given significant votes to right and far right parties.
Thankfully there's not enough wingnuts in France and the Netherlands to give these lads any power... unlike America!
The tide of intolerance is turning... hopefully this is the beginning of the end of this nonsense!!
Intolerance of what? Illegal mass immigration? Rioting?
Quote from: Rossfan on March 16, 2017, 10:52:28 AM
Mid and West European Countries which suffered the Nazi jackboot are not inclined to elect Nazi racist xenophobespecially to lead them..
Unlike the Brits/Yanks and Poles/Hungarians.
Yep the Nazis never went near Poland or Hungary . Also the Brits or US have yet to elect a Nazi .
He's a
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Oh, NAZI
See, even I'm saying it now...good brainwashing lads ;)
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Quote from: Rossfan on March 16, 2017, 10:52:28 AM
Mid and West European Countries which suffered the Nazi jackboot are not inclined to elect Nazi racist xenophobespecially to lead them..
Unlike the Brits/Yanks and Poles/Hungarians.
Wouldn't be so sure about that. The French and the Dutch have both given significant votes to right and far right parties.
Thankfully there's not enough wingnuts in France and the Netherlands to give these lads any power... unlike America!
The tide of intolerance is turning... hopefully this is the beginning of the end of this nonsense!!
Is everyone that disagrees with you a wingnut, are liberals the only tolerant people in society in your world???
In my lifetime the most intolerant people i have ever met were left wing nuts such as yourself!
Do you support trump?
Quote from: ashman on March 16, 2017, 02:35:33 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 16, 2017, 10:52:28 AM
Mid and West European Countries which suffered the Nazi jackboot are not inclined to elect Nazi racist xenophobespecially to lead them..
Unlike the Brits/Yanks and Poles/Hungarians.
Yep the Nazis never went near Poland or Hungary . Also the Brits or US have yet to elect a Nazi .
Poland and Hungary are East European countries.
Hungary supported Nazi Germany in WW2.
The Yanks have chosen a Nazi to lead them now.
The British Govt. are certainly gone very right wing nasty since Brexit plebiscite.
Quote from: stew on March 16, 2017, 02:49:21 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 16, 2017, 12:25:35 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 16, 2017, 11:09:21 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 16, 2017, 10:52:28 AM
Mid and West European Countries which suffered the Nazi jackboot are not inclined to elect Nazi racist xenophobespecially to lead them..
Unlike the Brits/Yanks and Poles/Hungarians.
Wouldn't be so sure about that. The French and the Dutch have both given significant votes to right and far right parties.
Thankfully there's not enough wingnuts in France and the Netherlands to give these lads any power... unlike America!
The tide of intolerance is turning... hopefully this is the beginning of the end of this nonsense!!
Is everyone that disagrees with you a wingnut, are liberals the only tolerant people in society in your world???
In my lifetime the most intolerant people i have ever met were left wing nuts such as yourself!
You win some you lose some kid ;)
Quote from: Rossfan on March 16, 2017, 03:29:58 PM
Quote from: ashman on March 16, 2017, 02:35:33 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 16, 2017, 10:52:28 AM
Mid and West European Countries which suffered the Nazi jackboot are not inclined to elect Nazi racist xenophobespecially to lead them..
Unlike the Brits/Yanks and Poles/Hungarians.
Yep the Nazis never went near Poland or Hungary . Also the Brits or US have yet to elect a Nazi .
Poland and Hungary are East European countries.
Hungary supported Nazi Germany in WW2.
The Yanks have chosen a Nazi to lead them now.
The British Govt. are certainly gone very right wing nasty since Brexit plebiscite.
Rossfan you are as much as nazi as Trump is.
No I'm not.
Stop spreading fake news.
Quote from: foxcommander on March 16, 2017, 02:03:17 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 16, 2017, 12:25:35 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 16, 2017, 11:09:21 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 16, 2017, 10:52:28 AM
Mid and West European Countries which suffered the Nazi jackboot are not inclined to elect Nazi racist xenophobespecially to lead them..
Unlike the Brits/Yanks and Poles/Hungarians.
Wouldn't be so sure about that. The French and the Dutch have both given significant votes to right and far right parties.
Thankfully there's not enough wingnuts in France and the Netherlands to give these lads any power... unlike America!
The tide of intolerance is turning... hopefully this is the beginning of the end of this nonsense!!
Intolerance of what? Illegal mass immigration? Rioting?
Still waiting for your definition of intolerance. I keep hearing about it but how do you know if you're being intolerant?
Guidelines required please Screamexile.
Quote from: Rossfan on March 16, 2017, 10:52:28 AM
Mid and West European Countries which suffered the Nazi jackboot are not inclined to elect Nazi racist xenophobespecially to lead them..
Unlike the Brits/Yanks and Poles/Hungarians.
No country "suffered the Nazi jackboot" more than these guys.
Quote from: foxcommander on March 16, 2017, 04:38:23 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on March 16, 2017, 02:03:17 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 16, 2017, 12:25:35 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 16, 2017, 11:09:21 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 16, 2017, 10:52:28 AM
Mid and West European Countries which suffered the Nazi jackboot are not inclined to elect Nazi racist xenophobespecially to lead them..
Unlike the Brits/Yanks and Poles/Hungarians.
Wouldn't be so sure about that. The French and the Dutch have both given significant votes to right and far right parties.
Thankfully there's not enough wingnuts in France and the Netherlands to give these lads any power... unlike America!
The tide of intolerance is turning... hopefully this is the beginning of the end of this nonsense!!
Intolerance of what? Illegal mass immigration? Rioting?
Still waiting for your definition of intolerance. I keep hearing about it but how do you know if you're being intolerant?
Guidelines required please Screamexile.
Intolerance of peoples beliefs . . . such as Wilders call to "close all mosques" and "ban the Koran"
Quote from: Franko on March 16, 2017, 04:40:57 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 16, 2017, 10:52:28 AM
Mid and West European Countries which suffered the Nazi jackboot are not inclined to elect Nazi racist xenophobespecially to lead them..
Unlike the Brits/Yanks and Poles/Hungarians.
No country "suffered the Nazi jackboot" more than these guys.
True but they now seem to be big into electing their own version of the NSDAP :-\
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Quote from: foxcommander on March 16, 2017, 02:03:17 PM
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Quote from: AZOffaly on March 16, 2017, 11:09:21 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 16, 2017, 10:52:28 AM
Mid and West European Countries which suffered the Nazi jackboot are not inclined to elect Nazi racist xenophobespecially to lead them..
Unlike the Brits/Yanks and Poles/Hungarians.
Wouldn't be so sure about that. The French and the Dutch have both given significant votes to right and far right parties.
Thankfully there's not enough wingnuts in France and the Netherlands to give these lads any power... unlike America!
The tide of intolerance is turning... hopefully this is the beginning of the end of this nonsense!!
Intolerance of what? Illegal mass immigration? Rioting?
Still waiting for your definition of intolerance. I keep hearing about it but how do you know if you're being intolerant?
Guidelines required please Screamexile.
Intolerance of peoples beliefs . . . such as Wilders call to "close all mosques" and "ban the Koran"
So we're intolerant eh?
So be tolerant of beliefs. Ok, just as they are of ours right. Make them pinkie swear there will be no beheadings of priests or nuns while in the EU.
What about us being tolerant of the rioting, raping, stealing. Them too?
Tolerant of paying taxes to support them and continue take on extra? You must have one fat paycheck.
What a fantastic deal you got here..please can we have more.
Quote from: foxcommander on March 16, 2017, 05:27:40 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 16, 2017, 04:49:48 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on March 16, 2017, 04:38:23 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on March 16, 2017, 02:03:17 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 16, 2017, 12:25:35 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 16, 2017, 11:09:21 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 16, 2017, 10:52:28 AM
Mid and West European Countries which suffered the Nazi jackboot are not inclined to elect Nazi racist xenophobespecially to lead them..
Unlike the Brits/Yanks and Poles/Hungarians.
Wouldn't be so sure about that. The French and the Dutch have both given significant votes to right and far right parties.
Thankfully there's not enough wingnuts in France and the Netherlands to give these lads any power... unlike America!
The tide of intolerance is turning... hopefully this is the beginning of the end of this nonsense!!
Intolerance of what? Illegal mass immigration? Rioting?
Still waiting for your definition of intolerance. I keep hearing about it but how do you know if you're being intolerant?
Guidelines required please Screamexile.
Intolerance of peoples beliefs . . . such as Wilders call to "close all mosques" and "ban the Koran"
So we're intolerant eh?
So be tolerant of beliefs. Ok, just as they are of ours right. Make them pinkie swear there will be no beheadings of priests or nuns while in the EU.
What about us being tolerant of the rioting, raping, stealing. Them too?
Tolerant of paying taxes to support them and continue take on extra? You must have one fat paycheck.
What a fantastic deal you got here..please can we have more.
Who is the "we" that are supposed to be intolerant?
QuoteSo be tolerant of beliefs. Ok, just as they are of ours right.
What are "ours" beliefs? What beliefs are you a part of, that are not being tolerated?
QuoteMake them pinkie swear there will be no beheadings of priests or nuns while in the EU
Who are "them"?
Applying guilt to a whole group, a religion, an ethnic group? That's a revolutionary idea, I never heard of that one before.
Maybe that's a neat idea, the state could apply collective guilt to all clergy in Ireland, make them all pinkie swear in public in church every morning that they will not rape a child that day? Then we can apply that stain of guilt to all catholics, as they are part of the same church. Possible enforce them all to wear a badge with the emblem of the cross, so "we" know who they are.
QuoteWhat about us being tolerant of the rioting, raping, stealing. Them too?
Who are "us"? is there a specific group that you belong to, one that you can speak for their beliefs.
Quote from: Main Street on March 16, 2017, 06:19:33 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on March 16, 2017, 05:27:40 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 16, 2017, 04:49:48 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on March 16, 2017, 04:38:23 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on March 16, 2017, 02:03:17 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 16, 2017, 12:25:35 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 16, 2017, 11:09:21 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 16, 2017, 10:52:28 AM
Mid and West European Countries which suffered the Nazi jackboot are not inclined to elect Nazi racist xenophobespecially to lead them..
Unlike the Brits/Yanks and Poles/Hungarians.
Wouldn't be so sure about that. The French and the Dutch have both given significant votes to right and far right parties.
Thankfully there's not enough wingnuts in France and the Netherlands to give these lads any power... unlike America!
The tide of intolerance is turning... hopefully this is the beginning of the end of this nonsense!!
Intolerance of what? Illegal mass immigration? Rioting?
Still waiting for your definition of intolerance. I keep hearing about it but how do you know if you're being intolerant?
Guidelines required please Screamexile.
Intolerance of peoples beliefs . . . such as Wilders call to "close all mosques" and "ban the Koran"
So we're intolerant eh?
So be tolerant of beliefs. Ok, just as they are of ours right. Make them pinkie swear there will be no beheadings of priests or nuns while in the EU.
What about us being tolerant of the rioting, raping, stealing. Them too?
Tolerant of paying taxes to support them and continue take on extra? You must have one fat paycheck.
What a fantastic deal you got here..please can we have more.
Who is the "we" that are supposed to be intolerant?
QuoteSo be tolerant of beliefs. Ok, just as they are of ours right.
What are "ours" beliefs? What beliefs are you a part of, that are not being tolerated?
QuoteMake them pinkie swear there will be no beheadings of priests or nuns while in the EU
Who are "them"?
Applying guilt to a whole group, a religion, an ethnic group? That's a revolutionary idea, I never heard of that one before.
Maybe that's a neat idea, the state could apply collective guilt to all clergy in Ireland, make them all pinkie swear in public in church every morning that they will not rape a child that day? Then we can apply that stain of guilt to all catholics, as they are part of the same church. Possible enforce them all to wear a badge with the emblem of the cross, so "we" know who they are.
QuoteWhat about us being tolerant of the rioting, raping, stealing. Them too?
Who are "us"? is there a specific group that you belong to, one that you can speak for their beliefs.
I was speaking as someone indigenous to Europe. I'm assuming that you're also one of this group.
I don't believe that anyone thinks what the Catholic church did was correct. Neither do I want any new religious wars being brought and fought where I live.
Future generations will be grateful for your 'tolerance'.
Quote from: foxcommander on March 16, 2017, 04:38:23 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on March 16, 2017, 02:03:17 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 16, 2017, 12:25:35 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 16, 2017, 11:09:21 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 16, 2017, 10:52:28 AM
Mid and West European Countries which suffered the Nazi jackboot are not inclined to elect Nazi racist xenophobespecially to lead them..
Unlike the Brits/Yanks and Poles/Hungarians.
Wouldn't be so sure about that. The French and the Dutch have both given significant votes to right and far right parties.
Thankfully there's not enough wingnuts in France and the Netherlands to give these lads any power... unlike America!
The tide of intolerance is turning... hopefully this is the beginning of the end of this nonsense!!
Intolerance of what? Illegal mass immigration? Rioting?
Still waiting for your definition of intolerance. I keep hearing about it but how do you know if you're being intolerant?
Guidelines required please Screamexile.
Foxy
You remind me of this guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_zF7nbEvwY
Quote from: general_lee on March 16, 2017, 03:15:26 PM
Do you support trump?
Eh no!
I would have voted for the Bern, but he was too chickenshit to blow the democrats apart when they were busy rigging the primary against his for Killory!
Quote from: seafoid on March 16, 2017, 06:53:51 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on March 16, 2017, 04:38:23 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on March 16, 2017, 02:03:17 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 16, 2017, 12:25:35 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 16, 2017, 11:09:21 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 16, 2017, 10:52:28 AM
Mid and West European Countries which suffered the Nazi jackboot are not inclined to elect Nazi racist xenophobespecially to lead them..
Unlike the Brits/Yanks and Poles/Hungarians.
Wouldn't be so sure about that. The French and the Dutch have both given significant votes to right and far right parties.
Thankfully there's not enough wingnuts in France and the Netherlands to give these lads any power... unlike America!
The tide of intolerance is turning... hopefully this is the beginning of the end of this nonsense!!
Intolerance of what? Illegal mass immigration? Rioting?
Still waiting for your definition of intolerance. I keep hearing about it but how do you know if you're being intolerant?
Guidelines required please Screamexile.
Foxy
You remind me of this guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_zF7nbEvwY
Is it just irony or coincidence... foxcommander... Fox News??
Both equally ridiculous!
Quote from: foxcommander on March 16, 2017, 06:44:35 PM
Quote from: Main Street on March 16, 2017, 06:19:33 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on March 16, 2017, 05:27:40 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 16, 2017, 04:49:48 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on March 16, 2017, 04:38:23 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on March 16, 2017, 02:03:17 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 16, 2017, 12:25:35 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 16, 2017, 11:09:21 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 16, 2017, 10:52:28 AM
Mid and West European Countries which suffered the Nazi jackboot are not inclined to elect Nazi racist xenophobespecially to lead them..
Unlike the Brits/Yanks and Poles/Hungarians.
Wouldn't be so sure about that. The French and the Dutch have both given significant votes to right and far right parties.
Thankfully there's not enough wingnuts in France and the Netherlands to give these lads any power... unlike America!
The tide of intolerance is turning... hopefully this is the beginning of the end of this nonsense!!
Intolerance of what? Illegal mass immigration? Rioting?
Still waiting for your definition of intolerance. I keep hearing about it but how do you know if you're being intolerant?
Guidelines required please Screamexile.
Intolerance of peoples beliefs . . . such as Wilders call to "close all mosques" and "ban the Koran"
So we're intolerant eh?
So be tolerant of beliefs. Ok, just as they are of ours right. Make them pinkie swear there will be no beheadings of priests or nuns while in the EU.
What about us being tolerant of the rioting, raping, stealing. Them too?
Tolerant of paying taxes to support them and continue take on extra? You must have one fat paycheck.
What a fantastic deal you got here..please can we have more.
Who is the "we" that are supposed to be intolerant?
QuoteSo be tolerant of beliefs. Ok, just as they are of ours right.
What are "ours" beliefs? What beliefs are you a part of, that are not being tolerated?
QuoteMake them pinkie swear there will be no beheadings of priests or nuns while in the EU
Who are "them"?
Applying guilt to a whole group, a religion, an ethnic group? That's a revolutionary idea, I never heard of that one before.
Maybe that's a neat idea, the state could apply collective guilt to all clergy in Ireland, make them all pinkie swear in public in church every morning that they will not rape a child that day? Then we can apply that stain of guilt to all catholics, as they are part of the same church. Possible enforce them all to wear a badge with the emblem of the cross, so "we" know who they are.
QuoteWhat about us being tolerant of the rioting, raping, stealing. Them too?
Who are "us"? is there a specific group that you belong to, one that you can speak for their beliefs.
I was speaking as someone indigenous to Europe. I'm assuming that you're also one of this group.
I don't believe that anyone thinks what the Catholic church did was correct. Neither do I want any new religious wars being brought and fought where I live.
Future generations will be grateful for your 'tolerance'.
QuoteI was speaking as someone indigenous to Europe. I'm assuming that you're also one of this group.
I was born in Europe but you are not speaking for me, so quit this nonsense of "us". It is arrogant to assume you are talking for "us".
What is the definition of indigenous here? I have little doubt that if we were to trace the genealogy of Fox Commander et al we would discover some interesting ancestry. The indigenous europeans took more drastic steps than mere migration and procreation to dominate the indigenous population of the Americas.
QuoteI don't believe that anyone thinks what the Catholic church did was correct.
I didn't ask your opinion about your attitude to the actions of clerical sex abuse and a complicit church. I suggested, according to your standards of applying collective guilt to a race/religion/ethnic group, why not apply the same standards and apply the sex abuse guilt collectively to all the clergy, the institution and all the members?
Even to the point of wearing a badge, the stain of the guilt. And why stop with the catholic church religion, collective guilt could be applied to all kinds of ethic groups, Travelers for example, the crime of one becomes the crime of all.
QuoteNeither do I want any new religious wars being brought and fought where I live.
When indigenous europeans opine about possible extinction due to shifting demographics, it is hypocritical.
All religions are dogmatic. All religions are divisive. Has there ever been any long-lasting peaceful coexistence of
competing ideologies? Barely 70 years ago, the contention raised in much of Europe was that Jewish immigration into European countries had disastrous consequences. What's new now?
Now you arrogantly countenance fear of religious war for the self-serving purpose of promoting your own immigrant hate agenda.
What beliefs are you a part of, that are not being tolerated by immigrants?
What exactly are the beliefs of "ours" that you refer to?