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Poll
Question: Should Claudio Ranieri have been sacked as Manager of Leicester City.
Option 1: Absolutely not, the man was manager of the year last year! votes: 38
Option 2: Maybe, I mean he is sitting in the relegation zone votes: 3
Option 3: Yes, as good as he was last season, this season he is ket. votes: 10
Title: Football Management in the modern game.
Post by: stew on February 23, 2017, 08:58:43 PM
I think this is a disgrace and speaks volumes of the lack of character in todays game, I would vote option number 1.
Title: Re: Football Management in the modern game.
Post by: seafoid on February 23, 2017, 09:13:38 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/may/03/ranieri-for-president-leicester-city-fans-across-the-world-celebrate-a-miracle
Title: Re: Football Management in the modern game.
Post by: under the bar on February 23, 2017, 09:19:34 PM
Soccer is so unlike the GAA and its manager loyalty.  Take Armagh for instance.  They are a comedy show for years under McGeeny and Armagh fans are happy to be the laughing stock of the country and stick with their man as he guides them to Div 4! 
Title: Re: Football Management in the modern game.
Post by: Esmarelda on February 23, 2017, 09:25:52 PM
I'm surprised he wasn't sacked earlier.

The difference between staying up and going down, in financial terms, always means that these sort of decisions are quite easy to make. At the start of January I wouldn't have given Hull or Swansea a chance of staying up with their current managers. I'm not saying it's necessarily the manager's fault but it seems, for whatever reason, that a change of manger gives such teams a lift and it was inevitable that these clubs would act. It hasn't happened at Palace yet and it'll be interesting to see how that goes.

I'd expect Moyes to go at Sunderland soon too, although it might cost them a fortune to pay him off.
Title: Re: Football Management in the modern game.
Post by: stew on February 23, 2017, 09:56:23 PM
Earlier this month, Leicester released a statement offering their 'unwavering support' for Ranieri.

RECENT STATEMENT

It read, via the Mail: "In light of recent speculation Leicester City Football Club would like to make absolutely clear its unwavering support for its first team manager Claudio Ranieri.

"While there is a collective appreciation from everyone at the club that recent form needs to improve, the unprecedented success achieved in recent seasons has been based firmly on stability, togetherness and determination to overcome even the greatest of challenges.

I hope they go down, karma and all that the bastards, the mans name will be sung from the stands a hundred years from now, long after the owners are gone!
Title: Re: Football Management in the modern game.
Post by: Aaron Boone on February 23, 2017, 10:04:10 PM
Craig Shakespeare is the caretaker boss for Liverpool match.
It's certainly a comedy of errors at Leicester, as they like it.
Title: Re: Football Management in the modern game.
Post by: Hoof Hearted on February 23, 2017, 10:20:19 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong but the last 5 winning managers haven't been there 12 months later
Mancini 2012
Ferguson 2013
Pellegrini 2014
Jose 2015
Ranieiri 2016

I think Alex was right - win it then go
Title: Re: Football Management in the modern game.
Post by: laoislad on February 23, 2017, 10:21:36 PM
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on February 23, 2017, 10:20:19 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong but the last 5 winning managers haven't been there 12 months later
Mancini 2012
Ferguson 2013
Pellegrini 2014
Jose 2015
Ranieiri 2016

I think Alex was right - win it then go
Pity he didn't go the first time he won it ;D
Title: Re: Football Management in the modern game.
Post by: Syferus on February 23, 2017, 10:28:15 PM
Incredible behaviour by Leicester. They should have been loyal to their man for at least the whole season, regardless if it meant relegation or not. Reflects terribly on them.
Title: Re: Football Management in the modern game.
Post by: passedit on February 23, 2017, 11:44:10 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 23, 2017, 10:28:15 PM
Incredible behaviour by Leicester. They should have been loyal to their man for at least the whole season, regardless if it meant relegation or not. Reflects terribly on them.
Lost the dressing room apparently. Poor man must be doting. It's a kindness really.
Title: Re: Football Management in the modern game.
Post by: J70 on February 24, 2017, 12:05:08 AM
Football is a business, first and foremost. There were no signs whatsoever that Leicester under Ranieri were capable of turning it around. Even last night, while they got a decent enough result, Sevilla should have hammered them given the respective performances. I don't think Ranieri will or should have any complaints. He's around long enough to know the score.
Title: Re: Football Management in the modern game.
Post by: The Stallion on February 24, 2017, 12:26:57 AM
And yet you defend Klopp's gross incompetence. Staggering hypocrisy.
Title: Re: Football Management in the modern game.
Post by: J70 on February 24, 2017, 12:38:16 AM
Quote from: The Stallion on February 24, 2017, 12:26:57 AM
And yet you defend Klopp's gross incompetence. Staggering hypocrisy.

Go fish somewhere else.
Title: Re: Football Management in the modern game.
Post by: Samforever on February 24, 2017, 12:46:44 AM
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on February 23, 2017, 10:20:19 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong but the last 5 winning managers haven't been there 12 months later
Mancini 2012
Ferguson 2013
Pellegrini 2014
Jose 2015
Ranieiri 2016

I think Alex was right - win it then go
Amazing what you can pick up from 5 live
Title: Re: Football Management in the modern game.
Post by: Farrandeelin on February 24, 2017, 02:32:38 AM
Arsenal fans on here would give anything to be in Leicester's position.
Title: Re: Football Management in the modern game.
Post by: stew on February 24, 2017, 11:08:11 AM
Quote from: under the bar on February 23, 2017, 09:19:34 PM
Soccer is so unlike the GAA and its manager loyalty.  Take Armagh for instance.  They are a comedy show for years under McGeeny and Armagh fans are happy to be the laughing stock of the country and stick with their man as he guides them to Div 4!

You are going to have to do better than that utb, that was weak. )
Title: Re: Football Management in the modern game.
Post by: Orior on February 24, 2017, 11:12:05 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on February 23, 2017, 10:04:10 PM
Craig Shakespeare is the caretaker boss for Liverpool match.
It's certainly a comedy of errors at Leicester, as they like it.

Not bad
Title: Re: Football Management in the modern game.
Post by: Taylor on February 24, 2017, 11:35:01 AM
Shocking decision.
Hope LCFC go down after this.
The biggest Cinderella story of all time and 9 weeks later he is gone.
Despicable
Title: Re: Football Management in the modern game.
Post by: Taylor on February 24, 2017, 11:45:29 AM
Quote from: AQMP on February 24, 2017, 11:41:35 AM
Quote from: Taylor on February 24, 2017, 11:35:01 AM
Shocking decision.
Hope LCFC go down after this.
The biggest Cinderella story of all time and 9 weeks later he is gone.
Despicable

Was he in a Christmas Panto??

Good one. Funny.  :-\

9 months rather
Title: Re: Football Management in the modern game.
Post by: ashman on February 24, 2017, 12:15:37 PM
The bottom line here is that the players always win a power struggle .
Title: Re: Football Management in the modern game.
Post by: AZOffaly on February 24, 2017, 12:17:50 PM
Easier sack 1 than sack 20.
Title: Re: Football Management in the modern game.
Post by: ashman on February 24, 2017, 12:21:52 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 24, 2017, 12:17:50 PM
Easier sack 1 than sack 20.

Simples
Title: Re: Football Management in the modern game.
Post by: Fuzzman on February 24, 2017, 02:24:47 PM
How much will he get paid off for I wonder?
Martinez pocketed £10M when Everton sacked him and within months he had a new job as manager of Belgium.
Title: Re: Football Management in the modern game.
Post by: seafoid on February 25, 2017, 08:04:33 AM
Coffee House
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/02/yesterday-dream-died-full-text-claudio-ranieri-statement/
"Yesterday, my dream died" – full text of Claudio Ranieri statement
Claudio Ranieri

Yesterday, my dream died. After the euphoria of last season and being crowned Premier League Champions all I dreamt of was staying with Leicester City, the club I love, for always. Sadly this was not to be.

I wish to thank my wife Rosanna and all my family for their never ending support during my time at Leicester. My thanks go to Paolo and Andrea who accompanied me on this wonderful journey. To Steve Kutner and Franco Granello for bringing me the opportunity to become a champion.
Mostly I have to thank Leicester City football club. The adventure was amazing and will live with me forever. Thank you to all the journalists and the media who came with us and enjoyed reporting on the greatest story in football. My heartfelt thanks to everybody at the club, all the players, the staff, everybody who was there and was part of what we achieved.
But mostly to the supporters. You took me into your hearts from day one and loved me. I love you too. No one can ever take away what we together have achieved, and I hope you think about it and smile every day the way I always will. It was a time of wonderfulness and happiness that I will never forget. It's been a pleasure and an honour to be a champion with all of you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk48xRzuNvA
Title: Re: Football Management in the modern game.
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on February 25, 2017, 12:50:26 PM
I think the club has saved Ranieri's legacy, whether they meant to or not is another thing. In time he will be remembered for winning the PL solely, not relegation if it happens or CL failure if it happens. If they survive or do well in the CL, he will be seen as being hard done by and his legacy will be untarnished.
Title: Re: Football Management in the modern game.
Post by: seafoid on February 25, 2017, 01:10:02 PM
Quote from: BarryBreensBandage on February 25, 2017, 12:50:26 PM
I think the club has saved Ranieri's legacy, whether they meant to or not is another thing. In time he will be remembered for winning the PL solely, not relegation if it happens or CL failure if it happens. If they survive or do well in the CL, he will be seen as being hard done by and his legacy will be untarnished.

He'll be remembered at Leicester like Clough is at Forest and Derby . This season doesn't matter.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/video/2016/apr/28/claudio-ranieri-emotional-as-he-watches-tribute-from-leicester-fans-video
Title: Re: Football Management in the modern game.
Post by: Windmill abu on February 25, 2017, 09:49:13 PM
As long as the fans keep buying the tickets & merchandise. As long as the fans keep supporting the club sponsors and as long as the fans keep paying for Sky Sports. Then the clubs will treat managers as a business risk. No manager is safe on the money spinning gravy train that is the Premier League even if they did win it last season.
Title: Re: Football Management in the modern game.
Post by: Fuzzman on February 28, 2017, 03:41:52 PM
Surprised there's nobody on this thread today after the Leicester win last night.
It certainly look the change of manager got a huge reaction of from the players as they worked their socks off last night and played like they did last year.

Player power is alive and well and when the players don't stand behind their boss then he's usually the fall guy.
The way the mangers move about now from one club to the next, it's almost worth their while getting the sack for a huge pay out and then start over again.

On Off the ball on Sunday Brian Kerr was saying they should have been willing to get relegated if necessary and to stay loyal to Rainieri but if they stay up now then the owners will feel justified.
Title: Re: Football Management in the modern game.
Post by: AZOffaly on February 28, 2017, 03:50:15 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 28, 2017, 03:41:52 PM
Surprised there's nobody on this thread today after the Leicester win last night.
It certainly look the change of manager got a huge reaction of from the players as they worked their socks off last night and played like they did last year.

Player power is alive and well and when the players don't stand behind their boss then he's usually the fall guy.
The way the mangers move about now from one club to the next, it's almost worth their while getting the sack for a huge pay out and then start over again.

On Off the ball on Sunday Brian Kerr was saying they should have been willing to get relegated if necessary and to stay loyal to Rainieri but if they stay up now then the owners will feel justified.

I don't think the change of manager got the reaction, I think the fact that they were getting stick for getting the manager fired got the reaction. They were like the Galway hurlers, except they won last night. Then again Galway weren't playing Liverpool.
Title: Re: Football Management in the modern game.
Post by: seafoid on February 28, 2017, 04:03:00 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 28, 2017, 03:50:15 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 28, 2017, 03:41:52 PM
Surprised there's nobody on this thread today after the Leicester win last night.
It certainly look the change of manager got a huge reaction of from the players as they worked their socks off last night and played like they did last year.

Player power is alive and well and when the players don't stand behind their boss then he's usually the fall guy.
The way the mangers move about now from one club to the next, it's almost worth their while getting the sack for a huge pay out and then start over again.

On Off the ball on Sunday Brian Kerr was saying they should have been willing to get relegated if necessary and to stay loyal to Rainieri but if they stay up now then the owners will feel justified.

I don't think the change of manager got the reaction, I think the fact that they were getting stick for getting the manager fired got the reaction. They were like the Galway hurlers, except they won last night. Then again Galway weren't playing Liverpool.
I thought Liverpool were the Galway hurlers
Title: Re: Football Management in the modern game.
Post by: AZOffaly on February 28, 2017, 04:28:16 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 28, 2017, 04:03:00 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 28, 2017, 03:50:15 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 28, 2017, 03:41:52 PM
Surprised there's nobody on this thread today after the Leicester win last night.
It certainly look the change of manager got a huge reaction of from the players as they worked their socks off last night and played like they did last year.

Player power is alive and well and when the players don't stand behind their boss then he's usually the fall guy.
The way the mangers move about now from one club to the next, it's almost worth their while getting the sack for a huge pay out and then start over again.

On Off the ball on Sunday Brian Kerr was saying they should have been willing to get relegated if necessary and to stay loyal to Rainieri but if they stay up now then the owners will feel justified.

I don't think the change of manager got the reaction, I think the fact that they were getting stick for getting the manager fired got the reaction. They were like the Galway hurlers, except they won last night. Then again Galway weren't playing Liverpool.
I thought Liverpool were the Galway hurlers

That's an awful insult. Galway reached the All Ireland Final a couple of years ago!