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Do you want to see 8 extra games brought in that will delay the club championships in 4 counties or are you happy to commit to a new structure for three years, which will sideline the CPA and whatever proposals they bring to the table?

Note that the motion to bring the date of the All Ireland finals back to August is a completely separate motion and is in no way linked to this Super 8 motion.

Talk about a loaded question :)

Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on February 23, 2017, 03:56:05 PM
Do you want to see 8 extra games brought in that will delay the club championships in 4 counties or are you happy to commit to a new structure for three years, which will sideline the CPA and whatever proposals they bring to the table?

Note that the motion to bring the date of the All Ireland finals back to August is a completely separate motion and is in no way linked to this Super 8 motion.

Did you write the questions for Donald Trump's media survey?

Hilarious.

What four counties will the championship be delayed in? I want to make a very informed vote.

From a personal point of view I would really enjoy watching the extra high profile games. But the need to clean up the club/county fixture dilema is more important and the timing of these proposals is premature until the more serious issue is attended too first.

Quote from: Esmarelda on February 23, 2017, 04:31:57 PM
Hilarious.

What four counties will the championship be delayed in? I want to make a very informed vote.

Croi must be very sure Westmeath is going to be one of those 4. Rather than one of the 28 where the players will be back to the clubs earlier (or at worst at the same time).

Quote from: Hound on February 23, 2017, 04:37:30 PM

Quote from: Esmarelda on February 23, 2017, 04:31:57 PM
Hilarious.

What four counties will the championship be delayed in? I want to make a very informed vote.

Croi must be very sure Westmeath is going to be one of those 4. Rather than one of the 28 where the players will be back to the clubs earlier (or at worst at the same time).

I think the answer to my question is that the new proposal won't delay any championships but I'm open to being corrected.

Maybe we could have a poll on whether we want Westmeath eliminated from the Championship? ;D

Quote from: Esmarelda on February 23, 2017, 04:38:44 PM

Quote from: Hound on February 23, 2017, 04:37:30 PM

Quote from: Esmarelda on February 23, 2017, 04:31:57 PM
Hilarious.

What four counties will the championship be delayed in? I want to make a very informed vote.

Croi must be very sure Westmeath is going to be one of those 4. Rather than one of the 28 where the players will be back to the clubs earlier (or at worst at the same time).

I think the answer to my question is that the new proposal won't delay any championships but I'm open to being corrected.

Of course it will delay championships. Instead of taking 4 games to play the 4 quarter finals you will have to play 12 games to reduce the number of teams in the championship from 8 to 4. The super 8s will add a couple of weeks onto the length of the championship. So the inter county championships will have to start a couple of weeks earlier and time will again be stolen from the clubs where they traditionally try to get a couple of rounds of club championship in before the summer break. To be fair there is a shocking amount of spin and propaganda being put out by HQ over this that is muddying the waters.

Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on February 23, 2017, 04:49:22 PM

Quote from: Esmarelda on February 23, 2017, 04:38:44 PM

Quote from: Hound on February 23, 2017, 04:37:30 PM

Quote from: Esmarelda on February 23, 2017, 04:31:57 PM
Hilarious.

What four counties will the championship be delayed in? I want to make a very informed vote.

Croi must be very sure Westmeath is going to be one of those 4. Rather than one of the 28 where the players will be back to the clubs earlier (or at worst at the same time).

I think the answer to my question is that the new proposal won't delay any championships but I'm open to being corrected.

Of course it will delay championships. Instead of taking 4 games to play the 4 quarter finals you will have to play 12 games to reduce the number of teams in the championship from 8 to 4. The super 8s will add a couple of weeks onto the length of the championship. So the inter county championships will have to start a couple of weeks earlier and time will again be stolen from the clubs where they traditionally try to get a couple of rounds of club championship in before the summer break. To be fair there is a shocking amount of spin and propaganda being put out by HQ over this that is muddying the waters.

Yes, but you're not looking at the calendar. Every county would have exited the championship at an earlier date under the new proposal in 2016 compared to the old proposal, with the exception of two who would have left the same weekend.

The "spin and propaganda" is all in the proposal, nicely detailing these dates. Have a read of it. Perhaps I'm wrong.

But Esmerelda, are the proposals for shortening the year not independent? i.e. if we kept the Quarter Finals as is, could we not finish the Championship in even shorter time?

This appears to be piggybacking on that proposal as if the Super 8 itself were shortening the season. It's not, the proposals to shorten the championship are creating a window for the Super 8s to be run off, and that in itself is 'lengthening' the new potentially shorter season. If you get me.

Here you go. Motions 5 and 6 are the ones that deal with shortening the season

Motion 5: On a three-year experimental basis, this motion seeks to have the All-Ireland Senior Football and Hurling Finals played in Croke Park on or before the last Sunday in August on dates determined by Central Council. This would free up more time in the GAA calendar for the playing of club matches.

Motion 6: On a three-year experimental basis, this motion seeks to do away with replays in all inter-county championship matches apart from Senior All-Ireland Finals and Provincial Finals. Instead, extra-time would be obligatory. If passed, this motion would ease fixture congestion which can cause serious problems for the scheduling of club as well as inter-county fixtures.

Quote from: AZOffaly on February 23, 2017, 04:58:23 PM
But Esmerelda, are the proposals for shortening the year not independent? i.e. if we kept the Quarter Finals as is, could we not finish the Championship in even shorter time?

This appears to be piggybacking on that proposal as if the Super 8 itself were shortening the season. It's not, the proposals to shorten the championship are creating a window for the Super 8s to be run off, and that in itself is 'lengthening' the new potentially shorter season. If you get me.

Sorry, I'm working off the proposal paper that was issued. I'm working on the assumption that all three will be passed/rejected. I haven't considered them in isolation. I find it odd that they would put them forward as three separate proposals.

The point I was making is that the new proposals as a whole don't delay any counties' club games.

But, yes, it would appear that the proposals could be put through without the Super 8 which I'd have no problem with at all.

The whole notion of there been 8 'super' teams is what turns me off. There was never 8 super teams competing in the same year.

No to Super 8. And No to the current format, full stop.

You'd never be from Ulster BennyCake?  :o

I'm just getting my head round the proposals now. I don't see how this solves anything. It's just a money making scheme.

I've always said, reform the provinces to suit a sporting competition that is eight teams in each province and go a back to a straight knockout with no qualifiers. And play the league alongside it in the early summer. Everyone gets at least 8 games in the good weather and the early part of the year is freed up for clubs.

Quote from: Rossfan on February 23, 2017, 09:13:34 PM
You'd never be from Ulster BennyCake?  :o

What does that matter? The current set up is a shambles, anyone from any county can see that.

Ah Benny..... the oul Ulster humour by pass.
Your original piece was No.... No...

Quote from: Rossfan on February 23, 2017, 10:08:44 PM
Ah Benny..... the oul Ulster humour by pass.
Your original piece was No.... No...

Watching too much of Dibley recently ;)

As for Dublin, well at the end of the day, they have 1/5 of the population on the island. Why would 1/5 dictate to 4/5 on something that is clearly for the benefit of the entire gaa, when they would only be looking out for themselves? It is a bit like saying well we cant vote for banning drug cheats because the guys juicing up would never go for it!

Quote from: thejuice on February 23, 2017, 09:29:24 PM
I'm just getting my head round the proposals now. I don't see how this solves anything. It's just a money making scheme.

I've always said, reform the provinces to suit a sporting competition that is eight teams in each province and go a back to a straight knockout with no qualifiers. And play the league alongside it in the early summer. Everyone gets at least 8 games in the good weather and the early part of the year is freed up for clubs.

Yes! If fecking GALWAY can play in the Leinster Championship in Hurling. Why can't you pop Longford and Westmeath into Connacht. This is a pure money racket to get the Dublin Cash cow more games.

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Quote from: thejuice on February 23, 2017, 09:29:24 PM
I'm just getting my head round the proposals now. I don't see how this solves anything. It's just a money making scheme.

I've always said, reform the provinces to suit a sporting competition that is eight teams in each province and go a back to a straight knockout with no qualifiers. And play the league alongside it in the early summer. Everyone gets at least 8 games in the good weather and the early part of the year is freed up for clubs.

Yes! If fecking GALWAY can play in the Leinster Championship in Hurling. Why can't you pop Longford and Westmeath into Connacht. This is a pure money racket to get the Dublin Cash cow more games.

Cuz the only thing the GAA has really cared about in the last two decades is protecting their brand in Dublin.

More Dublin matches means more money in their eyes. Rather than be brave and split a county larger than the entire province of Connacht they just want to chase after the bottom line. People have caught on and even Dublin supporters are getting sick of the routine beat downs that make up 85% of their games the last six or seven years.

Quote from: Syferus on March 03, 2017, 10:23:20 PM

Quote from: From the Bunker on March 03, 2017, 09:55:35 PM

Quote from: thejuice on February 23, 2017, 09:29:24 PM
I'm just getting my head round the proposals now. I don't see how this solves anything. It's just a money making scheme.

I've always said, reform the provinces to suit a sporting competition that is eight teams in each province and go a back to a straight knockout with no qualifiers. And play the league alongside it in the early summer. Everyone gets at least 8 games in the good weather and the early part of the year is freed up for clubs.

Yes! If fecking GALWAY can play in the Leinster Championship in Hurling. Why can't you pop Longford and Westmeath into Connacht. This is a pure money racket to get the Dublin Cash cow more games.

Cuz the only thing the GAA has really cared about in the last two decades is protecting their brand in Dublin.

More Dublin matches means more money in their eyes. Rather than be brave and split a county larger than the entire province of Connacht they just want to chase after the bottom line. People have caught on and even Dublin supporters are getting sick of the routine beat downs that make up 85% of their games the last six or seven years.

In fairness, with 8 extra games, it wouldn't kill the gaa to put Dublin's neutral game in an actual neutral venue. Considering it is now effectively 3 quarter finals instead of one, it is seriously doubtful that they would have a full house for it anyway... Say if Dublin won their first two games for example, the third one would be a dead rubber..

Quote from: Syferus on March 03, 2017, 10:23:20 PM

Quote from: From the Bunker on March 03, 2017, 09:55:35 PM

Quote from: thejuice on February 23, 2017, 09:29:24 PM
I'm just getting my head round the proposals now. I don't see how this solves anything. It's just a money making scheme.

I've always said, reform the provinces to suit a sporting competition that is eight teams in each province and go a back to a straight knockout with no qualifiers. And play the league alongside it in the early summer. Everyone gets at least 8 games in the good weather and the early part of the year is freed up for clubs.

Yes! If fecking GALWAY can play in the Leinster Championship in Hurling. Why can't you pop Longford and Westmeath into Connacht. This is a pure money racket to get the Dublin Cash cow more games.

Cuz the only thing the GAA has really cared about in the last two decades is protecting their brand in Dublin.

More Dublin matches means more money in their eyes. Rather than be brave and split a county larger than the entire province of Connacht they just want to chase after the bottom line. People have caught on and even Dublin supporters are getting sick of the routine beat downs that make up 85% of their games the last six or seven years.

That's it Sy! There is nothing brave in this super 8. It's a SKY TV solution to a amateur ethics game. The GAA want to butter their bread on both sides. They have created and creating a Monster in Dublin GAA. I can understand Dublin fans being defensive of their County. They are proud of their achievements and the work gone into getting where they are. And rightly so, they had a lot of lean years.

Dublin for years sleepwalked through the Championship. The GAA revamped croker in the Noughties, Needed someone keep it running. The GAA invested in Dublin and the rest is history. The GAA need Dublin. We all know that. But it also needs the other members of the GAA family. Super 8 ignores almost all (If not all of the lesser) members!

The GAA came up with a solution to satisfy SKY TV and Croke Park. I suppose there are pressures from both entities to keep the money coming in.

One would think a Super 8 would be more suitable for the hurling with a provincial champ heading each group and the losing provincial finalist in the group opposite to the team that beat them.  Two places in each group up for grabs via two rounds of qualifiers.

Quote from: Ball Hopper on March 04, 2017, 12:45:54 AM
One would think a Super 8 would be more suitable for the hurling with a provincial champ heading each group and the losing provincial finalist in the group opposite to the team that beat them.  Two places in each group up for grabs via two rounds of qualifiers.

Or why not toss a coin between Tipp and Kilkenny 8 years out of 10

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Quote from: Syferus on March 03, 2017, 10:23:20 PM

Quote from: From the Bunker on March 03, 2017, 09:55:35 PM

Quote from: thejuice on February 23, 2017, 09:29:24 PM
I'm just getting my head round the proposals now. I don't see how this solves anything. It's just a money making scheme.

I've always said, reform the provinces to suit a sporting competition that is eight teams in each province and go a back to a straight knockout with no qualifiers. And play the league alongside it in the early summer. Everyone gets at least 8 games in the good weather and the early part of the year is freed up for clubs.

Yes! If fecking GALWAY can play in the Leinster Championship in Hurling. Why can't you pop Longford and Westmeath into Connacht. This is a pure money racket to get the Dublin Cash cow more games.

Cuz the only thing the GAA has really cared about in the last two decades is protecting their brand in Dublin.

More Dublin matches means more money in their eyes. Rather than be brave and split a county larger than the entire province of Connacht they just want to chase after the bottom line. People have caught on and even Dublin supporters are getting sick of the routine beat downs that make up 85% of their games the last six or seven years.

That's it Sy! There is nothing brave in this super 8. It's a SKY TV solution to a amateur ethics game. The GAA want to butter their bread on both sides. They have created and creating a Monster in Dublin GAA. I can understand Dublin fans being defensive of their County. They are proud of their achievements and the work gone into getting where they are. And rightly so, they had a lot of lean years.

Dublin for years sleepwalked through the Championship. The GAA revamped croker in the Noughties, Needed someone keep it running. The GAA invested in Dublin and the rest is history. The GAA need Dublin. We all know that. But it also needs the other members of the GAA family. Super 8 ignores almost all (If not all of the lesser) members!

The GAA came up with a solution to satisfy SKY TV and Croke Park. I suppose there are pressures from both entities to keep the money coming in.

Jesus wept, give me patience!! Lads, do you not see any irony in hammering the current proposal and then offering an alternative that is not only hugely flawed and would do little more than the current proposal but crucially HAS NO CHANCE WHATSOEVER OF GETTING PASSED IN CONGRESS. The whole premise of the super 8's is that the bloody provincial championships had to be kept.

You boys are basically criticising something that's not perfect but does have merit and either offering nothing as a replacement or unrealistic pie in the sky stuff.

This thread should have been pulled at the first post. The question isn't even accurate, which is some achievement. Then we see lads wanting to juts put some counties in other provinces. What percentage would've voted that in do you think?

Quote from: Esmarelda on March 04, 2017, 12:16:28 PM
This thread should have been pulled at the first post. The question isn't even accurate, which is some achievement. Then we see lads wanting to juts put some counties in other provinces. What percentage would've voted that in do you think?

The percentage that vote for these proposals depends on (a) how by the balls a CB is in debt and (b) wanting to keep Grantasaurus Rex in Jones' Road happy.

Because change goddamn well doesn't happen in the GAA because a democratic majority of members support it..

Quote from: Syferus on March 04, 2017, 01:02:05 PM

Quote from: Esmarelda on March 04, 2017, 12:16:28 PM
This thread should have been pulled at the first post. The question isn't even accurate, which is some achievement. Then we see lads wanting to juts put some counties in other provinces. What percentage would've voted that in do you think?

The percentage that vote for these proposals depends on (a) how by the balls a CB is in debt and (b) wanting to keep Grantasaurus Rex in Jones' Road happy.

Because change goddamn well doesn't happen in the GAA because a democratic majority of members support it..

Keep telling yourself that. This paranoid nonsense is really baffling.

Aww Zulu don't be wasting your time reading or replying to syfernonsense.

Quote from: Zulu on March 04, 2017, 06:43:22 PM

Quote from: Syferus on March 04, 2017, 01:02:05 PM

Quote from: Esmarelda on March 04, 2017, 12:16:28 PM
This thread should have been pulled at the first post. The question isn't even accurate, which is some achievement. Then we see lads wanting to juts put some counties in other provinces. What percentage would've voted that in do you think?

The percentage that vote for these proposals depends on (a) how by the balls a CB is in debt and (b) wanting to keep Grantasaurus Rex in Jones' Road happy.

Because change goddamn well doesn't happen in the GAA because a democratic majority of members support it..

Keep telling yourself that. This paranoid nonsense is really baffling.

Anyone who thinks it's paranoia is incredibly insulated and naive when it comes to how CBs work.

I know how they work, you clearly don't.

Quote from: Zulu on March 04, 2017, 08:06:41 PM
I know how they work, you clearly don't.

Your response was essentially 'No u'.

Eh? You're the one posting juvenile nonsense about how the GAA want to set up everything to help Dublin because, I guess, they bring a big crowd? You genuinely think CB's like Kerry and Tyrone voted for the super 8's because GAA central council bribed them?

Quote from: Zulu on March 04, 2017, 08:13:36 PM
Eh? You're the one posting juvenile nonsense about how the GAA want to set up everything to help Dublin because, I guess, they bring a big crowd? You genuinely think CB's like Kerry and Tyrone voted for the super 8's because GAA central council bribed them?

No one is talking about the counties who will be fattened from the exercise voting for it and well you know it.

Ok, so when you were talking about CB's you weren't talking about all CB's, just some CB's? So these CB's voted for this because they'd get more money, is that right? Other CB's voted for it why? Help me out here as I'm trying to follow your logic that everything is set up by non-Dub GAA men to suit Dublin because they want to see them win everything.

Sorry Zulu but I'm not sure where you're coming from with this.

Maybe I'm wrong but going back to basics, what problems was super8 supposed to solve?

I thought the problem was that there were too many county games and that was disrupting club competitions.

Also the other problem was that the championship was going stale.

So that's why I thought bringing the league into the summer would free up more weekends for the clubs and colleges. players would have more time to build up for the summer and perhaps Ease the burden on them.

Also I think bringing it back to a straight knockout it would be more competitive and 8 teams in each province it would be easier to run and also fairer. Though unlikely based on our location I'd be just as happy if Meath won a provincial title in another province as winning Leinster. There would be bigger turnouts at league games due to being in the summer and the fact that teams are at their peak at that time of year with big teams clashing should be more enticing.

Also it might also mean that earlier in the year people won't have to choose between going to see club or county teams.

But perhaps these aren't the problems Congress are trying to solve. Can you fill me in?

Quote from: thejuice on March 05, 2017, 07:00:04 PM
Sorry Zulu but I'm not sure where you're coming from with this.

Maybe I'm wrong but going back to basics, what problems was super8 supposed to solve?

I thought the problem was that there were too many county games and that was disrupting club competitions.

Also the other problem was that the championship was going stale.

So that's why I thought bringing the league into the summer would free up more weekends for the clubs and colleges. players would have more time to build up for the summer and perhaps Ease the burden on them.

Also I think bringing it back to a straight knockout it would be more competitive and 8 teams in each province it would be easier to run and also fairer. Though unlikely based on our location I'd be just as happy if Meath won a provincial title in another province as winning Leinster. There would be bigger turnouts at league games due to being in the summer and the fact that teams are at their peak at that time of year with big teams clashing should be more enticing.

Also it might also mean that earlier in the year people won't have to choose between going to see club or county teams.

But perhaps these aren't the problems Congress are trying to solve. Can you fill me in?

thejuice, I don't disagree with the logic of your system. My own proposed format was starting the leagues later, getting rid of the provincials and playing the championship as a straight knockout with teams seeded by league position with seed 1 playing seed 32 in round one and so on. I'd argue my format solves loads of the issues as well but like yours, won't get passed in congress. In fact, if we were to put our formats to the GAAboard posters then they'd both probably fail to get the level of support needed to pass through congress. So, there's no point criticising the super 8 but proposing alternative formats that won't get through congress.

The super 8's doesn't tackle every problem, it's simply a step in the right direction. Of course it's flawed but so would any alternative. The super 8 was part of a trilogy of central council motions that creates more time for the clubs, more structure around the championship and more big games between the best teams. It also gives provincial winners a second chance and brings big games to provincial venues at a time when they are usually ideal. Finally, a significant portion of the extra revenue will be given to the weaker counties. Surely that's enough positives for it to be given a chance?

Zulu is a WUM! That is the only answer. He continues to tell us how great Super 8 is, while at no stage giving an example where it improve things!

He won't even say what county he's from?

Is that the best you can come up with FtB? Considering you've pretty much said nothing of note bar that everything is about helping the Dubs?

I've listed the improvements by the way just read my previous post but the main point is that change is needed and that change had to be something that would pass congress so the proposal by its very nature wouldn't seek to address everything.

YES Super 8 is all about Dublin and Croke Park (and making more money for the GAA)! What else could it be about?

Still no word from you as to what county you are from? Big secret?

In your opinion it is, that doesn't make it so. As I've already pointed out, much of the extra revenue will go to the weaker counties so why you ignore that reality can only be cause it doesn't sit with your agenda. If we are to believe you then anything that provides more games between the best teams (a central element to every other sport's competition format) is about the Dubs and nothing else. That's patently nonsense.

WHAT COUNTY ARE YOU FROM ZULU?

What does it matter? Would coming from one type of county increase or decrease the validity of my points?

Quote from: Zulu on March 05, 2017, 08:58:41 PM
What does it matter? Would coming from one type of county increase or decrease the validity of my points?

Zulu, If it does not matter!

Tell us your county!

He's from Offaly, I would think

He's a Rhubarb but is ashamed to admit it. ;)

To be fair I don't know what would or wouldn't pass congress. I didn't think something like S8 would so it shows what I know. I don't think it's a huge leap to suggest there is a huge money making incentive to it. I'm not clear as to how it helps club fixtures either. It just appears to me like they've just squeezed a few extra games into the calendar. Maybe I'm missing something.

As you say if it's only part of a few other motions to improve things we'll have to wait and see. However there is still going to be a gulf in class between the top 3 or 4 teams and the rest. I don't know how quick the extra money will solve that problem. I don't know how long people will keep turning up to S8 games when they have little chance of winning all the while feeling like they're being taken for a ride by the GAA for a bit more of their money.

Not having a go at Zulu or anyone who supports S8, those are just my concerns.

Also I don't care what county you're from.

Well he does care to let us know where he is from!

The only reason it has been brought in is to cover over dwindling attendances. Another 5 to 10 years of Dublin dominance interspersed with the odd Kerry upset will see attendances fall further and then we might get some proper reform.
Of course that will be post Rugby world cup and with extra money for soccer development coming in from better tv deals then the GAA will slip a long way in comparison with the other codes before anything is done.

Quote from: From the Bunker on March 05, 2017, 09:01:22 PM
Zulu, If it does not matter!

Tell us your county!

It only seems to matter to you FtB so can you tell me why?

Quote from: thejuice on March 05, 2017, 09:03:57 PM
To be fair I don't know what would or wouldn't pass congress. I didn't think something like S8 would so it shows what I know. I don't think it's a huge leap to suggest there is a huge money making incentive to it. I'm not clear as to how it helps club fixtures either. It just appears to me like they've just squeezed a few extra games into the calendar. Maybe I'm missing something.

As you say if it's only part of a few other motions to improve things we'll have to wait and see. However there is still going to be a gulf in class between the top 3 or 4 teams and the rest. I don't know how quick the extra money will solve that problem. I don't know how long people will keep turning up to S8 games when they have little chance of winning all the while feeling like they're being taken for a ride by the GAA for a bit more of their money.

Not having a go at Zulu or anyone who supports S8, those are just my concerns.

thejuice, I don't think the super 8 is brilliant. I accept it doesn't solve a lot of things but it was never promoted that it did. I think the current format is very stale and this will go some way towards addressing that. Clubs in all but 4 (max) counties now have all of August and September to play championship, surely that's a help? Having the best teams play each other a bit more while not negatively impacting on clubs is surely a good thing especially when part of the extra revenue goes to those counties?

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Quote from: From the Bunker on March 05, 2017, 09:01:22 PM
Zulu, If it does not matter!

Tell us your county!

It only seems to matter to you FtB so can you tell me why?

Well it would give me a greater perspective of where you are looking from as a GAA fan. Perspectives are different in different Counties and different Provinces. You clearly have an issue with revealing this. Your Prerogative.

Quote from: hardstation on March 05, 2017, 09:20:18 PM
I always thought Zulu was English.

No the redcoats were the English

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Quote from: From the Bunker on March 05, 2017, 09:01:22 PM
Zulu, If it does not matter!

Tell us your county!

It only seems to matter to you FtB so can you tell me why?

Well it would give me a greater perspective of where you are looking from as a GAA fan. Perspectives are different in different Counties and different Provinces. You clearly have an issue with revealing this. Your Prerogative.

Lets just say I'm from one of the counties that won't win an All Ireland in your or my lifetime. When you talk about weak counties then you're taking very much about my county. I played for my county (good few years ago now) and I know better than most what it's like at the bottom rung. One year I was playing in the first round of the minor provincial championship and when we arrived there was no manager, jerseys or footballs as he was coming on a different bus with the other half of the squad.

I'd love to see more done for weaker counties but they must also help themselves. I can tell you as a kid I was inspired by players from other counties as we had no heroes ourselves so I firmly believe having more big games can help all counties and inspire greater effort from young players.

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Quote from: Zulu on March 05, 2017, 09:12:52 PM

Quote from: From the Bunker on March 05, 2017, 09:01:22 PM
Zulu, If it does not matter!

Tell us your county!

It only seems to matter to you FtB so can you tell me why?

Well it would give me a greater perspective of where you are looking from as a GAA fan. Perspectives are different in different Counties and different Provinces. You clearly have an issue with revealing this. Your Prerogative.

Lets just say I'm from one of the counties that won't win an All Ireland in your or my lifetime. When you talk about weak counties then you're taking very much about my county.

Great.
Another flourbag.

'Weak county' describes 32 out of the 33 teams now. We really need new terms to describe the corporate nightmare the GAA has became.

Zulu must have some bump on his forehead.

The Dubs reign of terror will not last forever.
Even the Roman Empire collapsed eventually.

Quote from: Syferus on March 05, 2017, 10:12:54 PM
'Weak county' describes 32 out of the 33 teams now. We really need new terms to describe the corporate nightmare the GAA has became.

It doesn't. There has always been a few top counties with few just off the pace but better than most. Kerry dominated for a long time, Cork and Meath were top dogs for a few years, Tyrone, Kerry and Armagh were ahead of the pack for a long time and now Dublin are the dominant team. This is not such a different phase to many others and I think Kerry, in particular, are well placed to take over in two or three years.

Quote from: From the Bunker on March 03, 2017, 09:55:35 PM

Quote from: thejuice on February 23, 2017, 09:29:24 PM
I'm just getting my head round the proposals now. I don't see how this solves anything. It's just a money making scheme.

I've always said, reform the provinces to suit a sporting competition that is eight teams in each province and go a back to a straight knockout with no qualifiers. And play the league alongside it in the early summer. Everyone gets at least 8 games in the good weather and the early part of the year is freed up for clubs.

Yes! If fecking GALWAY can play in the Leinster Championship in Hurling. Why can't you pop Longford and Westmeath into Connacht. This is a pure money racket to get the Dublin Cash cow more games.

I'd rather go to hell.