I won't provide the link but its all over internet if you want to look.
Appears to have been done by one of his own security detail who does the 'Allah Akhbar' shout and ISIS one finger salute.
Edit: Appears he was a serving Turkish Policeman
Horrific!!!
Echos of Franz Ferdinand.
Truck kills several people at Berlin xmas market too
Quote from: mrdeeds on December 19, 2016, 07:19:29 PM
Echos of Franz Ferdinand.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h66dI0q_9As
Sunni policeman unhappy with the Shia solution in Syria
The world is barking mad
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2016, 07:56:07 PM
Truck kills several people at Berlin xmas market too
And an incident in Switzerland.
Reuters : Andrey Karlov shot at Ankara art exhibit by gunman who allegedly shouted 'Allahu Akbar' and 'Revenge for Aleppo' before being fatally shot by police.
Turkey is complete mess. Erdogan has purged the army and is fighting ISIS and the Kurds.
Quote from: seafoid on December 19, 2016, 09:12:49 PM
Reuters : Andrey Karlov shot at Ankara art exhibit by gunman who allegedly shouted 'Allahu Akbar' and 'Revenge for Aleppo' before being fatally shot by police.
Turkey is complete mess. Erdogan has purged the army and is fighting ISIS and the Kurds.
No more jokes about the situation then??
Quote from: Boycey on December 19, 2016, 09:27:22 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 19, 2016, 09:12:49 PM
Reuters : Andrey Karlov shot at Ankara art exhibit by gunman who allegedly shouted 'Allahu Akbar' and 'Revenge for Aleppo' before being fatally shot by police.
Turkey is complete mess. Erdogan has purged the army and is fighting ISIS and the Kurds.
No more jokes about the situation then??
Fearon should be along soon with 140 characters or less. Sure to involve Turkey and Christmas.
Is erdogan a Sunni, a Shia or just non-Kurd?
Quote from: trileacman on December 19, 2016, 09:35:04 PM
Is erdogan a Sunni, a Shia or just non-Kurd?
Sunni and not a Kurd
The Alevis in Turkey are Shia as is Assad
the Syrian Kurds have carved out their land
Erdogan does not want the Turkish Kurds doing the same
It's pure rotten
And we have the balls to be complaining about bus strikes and worrying about flegs. Being on a little island out in the middle of the Atlantic rarely has felt better.
Quote from: Syferus on December 19, 2016, 10:13:08 PM
And we have the balls to be complaining about bus strikes and worrying about flegs. Being on a little island out in the middle of the Atlantic rarely has felt better.
+1
I was in Berlin this time last year at the Christmas markets - I was in Nice the night of that terrorist attack in the summer. I had a friend who worked as a UN observer in Syria who finally decided that another decapitated head at his doorstep was one too many and retired from the army.
We are living in uncertain times I am glad to be living them in Ireland warts and all.
Quote from: Syferus on December 19, 2016, 10:13:08 PM
And we have the balls to be complaining about bus strikes and worrying about flegs. Being on a little island out in the middle of the Atlantic rarely has felt better.
For a good few centuries Ireland was not a good place to be. The quiet is nice for a change.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2016, 08:43:14 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on December 19, 2016, 08:35:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2016, 07:56:07 PM
Truck kills several people at Berlin xmas market too
And an incident in Switzerland.
Terrible
Do you think these things are related or are you just making a list of stuff that happened.
Quote from: vallankumous on December 20, 2016, 08:31:32 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2016, 08:43:14 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on December 19, 2016, 08:35:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2016, 07:56:07 PM
Truck kills several people at Berlin xmas market too
And an incident in Switzerland.
Terrible
Do you think these things are related or are you just making a list of stuff that happened.
nope, just didnt want to start another thread, i mentioned one thing so hardly a list
Quote from: Syferus on December 19, 2016, 10:13:08 PM
And we have the balls to be complaining about bus strikes and worrying about flegs. Being on a little island out in the middle of the Atlantic rarely has felt better.
This radical Muslim scum recognise no neutrality, they wll try and attack the entire western world, we will get hit yet!
Quote from: stew on December 20, 2016, 09:58:11 AM
This radical Muslim scum recognise no neutrality, they wll try and attack the entire western world, we will get hit yet!
there's no reason to believe that.
This doesn't seem right and I think Putin isn't convinced this was Isis despite Isis being linked in the most basic ways. A one finger salute does not make an Isis assassin.
The problem with Islam extreme in the west is that islam are loyal to Alla while we demand their first loyalty to the state.
In the West we have a mixed bag of Christianity and State.
Swearing office on the Bible, For God and Country, God Bless America, God Save our Gracious Queen, Queen head of state and Church of England. Christianity and State in the west are hand in hand. Apart from France where separation of State and Church is constitutional. So, in France you can only have one authority and that's the State. If you answer to a higher power you are a threat as the State demands your loyalty.
Secularism doesn't work as people are religious. That's just how it is. Islamic law is a bigger authority than State law, that's just how it is. Moslems will never be loyal to a state that does not allow for Alla. There will always be problems.
In Ireland we have a very different look at statehood. We demand loyalty to nation, the romantic view but there is no demand for loyalty to the state. We don't have a History that demands loyalty to the state and we allow freedom of religion. This is a safe place for Moslems to be Moslems.
Quote from: vallankumous on December 20, 2016, 10:19:44 AM
Quote from: stew on December 20, 2016, 09:58:11 AM
This radical Muslim scum recognise no neutrality, they wll try and attack the entire western world, we will get hit yet!
there's no reason to believe that.
This doesn't seem right and I think Putin isn't convinced this was Isis despite Isis being linked in the most basic ways. A one finger salute does not make an Isis assassin.
The problem with Islam extreme in the west is that islam are loyal to Alla while we demand their first loyalty to the state.
In the West we have a mixed bag of Christianity and State.
Swearing office on the Bible, For God and Country, God Bless America, God Save our Gracious Queen, Queen head of state and Church of England. Christianity and State in the west are hand in hand. Apart from France where separation of State and Church is constitutional. So, in France you can only have one authority and that's the State. If you answer to a higher power you are a threat as the State demands your loyalty.
Secularism doesn't work as people are religious. That's just how it is. Islamic law is a bigger authority than State law, that's just how it is. Moslems will never be loyal to a state that does not allow for Alla. There will always be problems.
In Ireland we have a very different look at statehood. We demand loyalty to nation, the romantic view but there is no demand for loyalty to the state. We don't have a History that demands loyalty to the state and we allow freedom of religion. This is a safe place for Moslems to be Moslems.
That is certainly an interesting insight into things I had never considered.
But regarding secularism, we have become quite secular and yet we have avoided many of the problems with Islamic extremism. But maybe we have been lucky.
Quote from: muppet on December 20, 2016, 02:50:01 PM
That is certainly an interesting insight into things I had never considered.
But regarding secularism, we have become quite secular and yet we have avoided many of the problems with Islamic extremism. But maybe we have been lucky.
yes but we do still have a hangover. The repeal the 8th is a window into that. Consious and religious position are still intertwined in ireland even if not recognised as such.
The biggest thing we have going for us is the our history which has affected our present.
We did not have an State Identity until recently and even it is a source of dispute. We can freely separate State and Country despite best efforts of some to meld the two. We have never had conscription or a war to fight under one flag one state etc. We have never had a common enemy despite what some might say. The State can't guilt us into supporting it with a 'support our troops' or 'war of independence' type of promotion. there's no national narrative that's agreed on it.
Also, we are protective of people who were colonised and treated badly for religious purposes. Not everyone will agree on that but I think most irish people will be afraid of Moslem extremism across the world but relate to them in real terms in communities. Our projection changes when we engage and we are a welcoming and protective nation.
Quote from: vallankumous on December 20, 2016, 03:12:25 PM
Quote from: muppet on December 20, 2016, 02:50:01 PM
That is certainly an interesting insight into things I had never considered.
But regarding secularism, we have become quite secular and yet we have avoided many of the problems with Islamic extremism. But maybe we have been lucky.
yes but we do still have a hangover. The repeal the 8th is a window into that. Consious and religious position are still intertwined in ireland even if not recognised as such.
The biggest thing we have going for us is the our history which has affected our present.
We did not have an State Identity until recently and even it is a source of dispute. We can freely separate State and Country despite best efforts of some to meld the two. We have never had conscription or a war to fight under one flag one state etc. We have never had a common enemy despite what some might say. The State can't guilt us into supporting it with a 'support our troops' or 'war of independence' type of promotion. there's no national narrative that's agreed on it.
Also, we are protective of people who were colonised and treated badly for religious purposes. Not everyone will agree on that but I think most irish people will be afraid of Moslem extremism across the world but relate to them in real terms in communities. Our projection changes when we engage and we are a welcoming and protective nation.
I would disagree regarding not having had a common enemy, but I agree with the rest.
I think our history is a lot simpler than most places. We only had one invader.
Quote from: muppet on December 20, 2016, 03:19:17 PM
I would disagree regarding not having had a common enemy, but I agree with the rest.
I think our history is a lot simpler than most places. We only had one invader.
I would too but I know many do not feel the same. So for this argument I can't decide on it. Even at the time of the rising many did not feel the same.
What we are seeing being implemented in Europe is the "coudenhove kalergi plan".
Quote from: Íseal agus crua isteach a on December 20, 2016, 03:52:19 PM
What we are seeing being implemented in Europe is the "coudenhove kalergi plan".
There's no way I'm googling that. Is there more to the contribution?
We, as in all of Ireland don't have a large population of immigrants or refuges, asylum seekers.... on a basic level we have plenty of racists, mainly in the older generation but a lot of young uneducated kids are leaving schools and blaming no jobs on foreigners coming here and taking their work!
Of course that's not the truth, the lazy feckers wouldn't apply for them. The point is, if there is a larger influx of the above, then you will see a change in views, regardless of our past... hopefully staying out of wars will give us a by ball.
Quote from: muppet on December 20, 2016, 03:19:17 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on December 20, 2016, 03:12:25 PM
Quote from: muppet on December 20, 2016, 02:50:01 PM
That is certainly an interesting insight into things I had never considered.
But regarding secularism, we have become quite secular and yet we have avoided many of the problems with Islamic extremism. But maybe we have been lucky.
yes but we do still have a hangover. The repeal the 8th is a window into that. Consious and religious position are still intertwined in ireland even if not recognised as such.
The biggest thing we have going for us is the our history which has affected our present.
We did not have an State Identity until recently and even it is a source of dispute. We can freely separate State and Country despite best efforts of some to meld the two. We have never had conscription or a war to fight under one flag one state etc. We have never had a common enemy despite what some might say. The State can't guilt us into supporting it with a 'support our troops' or 'war of independence' type of promotion. there's no national narrative that's agreed on it.
Also, we are protective of people who were colonised and treated badly for religious purposes. Not everyone will agree on that but I think most irish people will be afraid of Moslem extremism across the world but relate to them in real terms in communities. Our projection changes when we engage and we are a welcoming and protective nation.
I would disagree regarding not having had a common enemy, but I agree with the rest.
I think our history is a lot simpler than most places. We only had one invader.
Aye right enough, the Vikings.
Quote from: stew on December 20, 2016, 08:46:45 PM
Quote from: muppet on December 20, 2016, 03:19:17 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on December 20, 2016, 03:12:25 PM
Quote from: muppet on December 20, 2016, 02:50:01 PM
That is certainly an interesting insight into things I had never considered.
But regarding secularism, we have become quite secular and yet we have avoided many of the problems with Islamic extremism. But maybe we have been lucky.
yes but we do still have a hangover. The repeal the 8th is a window into that. Consious and religious position are still intertwined in ireland even if not recognised as such.
The biggest thing we have going for us is the our history which has affected our present.
We did not have an State Identity until recently and even it is a source of dispute. We can freely separate State and Country despite best efforts of some to meld the two. We have never had conscription or a war to fight under one flag one state etc. We have never had a common enemy despite what some might say. The State can't guilt us into supporting it with a 'support our troops' or 'war of independence' type of promotion. there's no national narrative that's agreed on it.
Also, we are protective of people who were colonised and treated badly for religious purposes. Not everyone will agree on that but I think most irish people will be afraid of Moslem extremism across the world but relate to them in real terms in communities. Our projection changes when we engage and we are a welcoming and protective nation.
I would disagree regarding not having had a common enemy, but I agree with the rest.
I think our history is a lot simpler than most places. We only had one invader.
Aye right enough, the Vikings.
Who soon integrated fairly well, as Seafoid will soon be along to tell us. Only one invader and occupier that lasted centuries. Last I checked we didn't need to negotiate a treaty with the Danes.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 20, 2016, 07:46:23 PM
We, as in all of Ireland don't have a large population of immigrants or refuges, asylum seekers.... on a basic level we have plenty of racists, mainly in the older generation but a lot of young uneducated kids are leaving schools and blaming no jobs on foreigners coming here and taking their work!
This is a rather odd statement, the 26 counties has one of the highest proportions of foreign-born population in EU-28. The 6 counties have rather less, although a large proportion there think of themselves as immigrants despite living here for 400 years. What Ireland has is a somewhat different pattern of immigration, as its demographics are always unusual.
Quote from: armaghniac on December 20, 2016, 09:53:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 20, 2016, 07:46:23 PM
We, as in all of Ireland don't have a large population of immigrants or refuges, asylum seekers.... on a basic level we have plenty of racists, mainly in the older generation but a lot of young uneducated kids are leaving schools and blaming no jobs on foreigners coming here and taking their work!
This is a rather odd statement, the 26 counties has one of the highest proportions of foreign-born population in EU-28. The 6 counties have rather less, although a large proportion there think of themselves as immigrants despite living here for 400 years. What Ireland has is a somewhat different pattern of immigration, as its demographics are always unusual.
(https://media.licdn.com/mpr/mpr/shrinknp_800_800/AAEAAQAAAAAAAAVXAAAAJGE1NzFmZTY1LWY3NTktNDJlMy04ZmU3LWVjY2NjZjZmYzc1YQ.png)
Apart from Portugal, we have the lowest in western Europe.
Quote from: armaghniac on December 20, 2016, 09:53:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 20, 2016, 07:46:23 PM
We, as in all of Ireland don't have a large population of immigrants or refuges, asylum seekers.... on a basic level we have plenty of racists, mainly in the older generation but a lot of young uneducated kids are leaving schools and blaming no jobs on foreigners coming here and taking their work!
This is a rather odd statement, the 26 counties has one of the highest proportions of foreign-born population in EU-28. The 6 counties have rather less, although a large proportion there think of themselves as immigrants despite living here for 400 years. What Ireland has is a somewhat different pattern of immigration, as its demographics are always unusual.
Which bit is odd?? I grew up in Belfast and you would have never seen anyone from one week to the next who lived or came from another country, that would have been the case even up to the 90's.. maybe they all lived in Armagh... Muslims even less than Chinese, but as the years past you seen more and more... mainly in small pockets were companies took on employees who were willing to work for a living
QuoteApart from Portugal, we have the lowest in western Europe.
Which is a particular sort of immigrant, not the total. There are less than Finland also.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 20, 2016, 10:09:48 PM
Which bit is odd?? I grew up in Belfast and you would have never seen anyone from one week to the next who lived or came from another country, that would have been the case even up to the 90's.. maybe they all lived in Armagh... Muslims even less than Chinese, but as the years past you seen more and more... mainly in small pockets were companies took on employees who were willing to work for a living
Cross was particularly diverse, with 600 foreigners living in the barracks, many of them muslim. This group of immigrants were quite violent and totally failed to integrate.
However, when we were growing up is not really the issue, rather 2017.
Your basic point is that the significant number of E Europeans is not really an issue, which makes the whole Brexit thing all the more odd.
Quote from: armaghniac on December 20, 2016, 10:20:07 PM
QuoteApart from Portugal, we have the lowest in western Europe.
Which is a particular sort of immigrant, not the total. There are less than Finland also.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 20, 2016, 10:09:48 PM
Which bit is odd?? I grew up in Belfast and you would have never seen anyone from one week to the next who lived or came from another country, that would have been the case even up to the 90's.. maybe they all lived in Armagh... Muslims even less than Chinese, but as the years past you seen more and more... mainly in small pockets were companies took on employees who were willing to work for a living
Cross was particularly diverse, with 600 foreigners living in the barracks, many of them muslim. This group of immigrants were quite violent and totally failed to integrate.
However, when we were growing up is not really the issue, rather 2017.
Your basic point is that the significant number of E Europeans is not really an issue, which makes the whole Brexit thing all the more odd.
You don't make any sense.... now we still don't have a significant group of immigrants refugees or others that 'concerns' the natives. It will happen over time, a few generations from now like it did in England...
We have enough to be worrying about down south than wasting time wondering if someone eats Taytos or Naan bread for lunch.
Quote from: OgraAnDun on December 20, 2016, 09:39:47 PM
Who soon integrated fairly well, as Seafoid will soon be along to tell us. Only one invader and occupier that lasted centuries. Last I checked we didn't need to negotiate a treaty with the Danes.
For the vast majority of that Ireland did not see itself as a Country or Nation. It's only now that we see it as one and we apply that retrospectively.
Quote from: vallankumous on December 21, 2016, 08:15:21 AM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on December 20, 2016, 09:39:47 PM
Who soon integrated fairly well, as Seafoid will soon be along to tell us. Only one invader and occupier that lasted centuries. Last I checked we didn't need to negotiate a treaty with the Danes.
For the vast majority of that Ireland did not see itself as a Country or Nation. It's only now that we see it as one and we apply that retrospectively.
That is correct.
Some interesting points here that I hadn't considered....
45 years of terrorist attacks in Europe, visualized
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/world/a-history-of-terrorism-in-europe/?tid=ss_tw (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/world/a-history-of-terrorism-in-europe/?tid=ss_tw)
Quote from: theskull1 on December 21, 2016, 04:46:18 PM
45 years of terrorist attacks in Europe, visualized
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/world/a-history-of-terrorism-in-europe/?tid=ss_tw (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/world/a-history-of-terrorism-in-europe/?tid=ss_tw)
It's basically Norn Irn and the Basque country....
Quote from: seafoid on December 21, 2016, 07:20:46 PM
Quote from: theskull1 on December 21, 2016, 04:46:18 PM
45 years of terrorist attacks in Europe, visualized
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/world/a-history-of-terrorism-in-europe/?tid=ss_tw (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/world/a-history-of-terrorism-in-europe/?tid=ss_tw)
It's basically Norn Irn and the Basque country....
Mainly cause you lot pissed off 8)
The main suspect in the German attack has been shot dead.
He visited an ISIS affoliated mosque after the attack. WTF are the Germans doing allowing such an institution to exist?
Quote from: seafoid on December 23, 2016, 11:20:43 AM
The main suspect in the German attack has been shot dead.
He visited an ISIS affoliated mosque after the attack. WTF are the Germans doing allowing such an institution to exist?
There will be a lot more affiliated mosques to ISIS (or the next incarnation - whatever that is) after a couple of years of the Vlad-Don show.
Quote from: seafoid on December 23, 2016, 11:20:43 AM
The main suspect in the German attack has been shot dead.
He visited an ISIS affoliated mosque after the attack. WTF are the Germans doing allowing such an institution to exist?
What is the criteria for affiliation?
Quote from: vallankumous on December 23, 2016, 12:17:51 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 23, 2016, 11:20:43 AM
The main suspect in the German attack has been shot dead.
He visited an ISIS affoliated mosque after the attack. WTF are the Germans doing allowing such an institution to exist?
What is the criteria for affiliation?
Preaching material I imagine
Quote from: seafoid on December 23, 2016, 12:40:03 PM
Preaching material I imagine
I'd imagine it's not. I'd imagine someone is making up whatever they want.
If this guy is ISIS then it may be any mosque he visited now has an ISIS link. As does any Starbucks he may have visited.
They were following him for a while so presumably they know
Quote from: seafoid on December 23, 2016, 01:00:42 PM
They were following him for a while so presumably they know
Not well enough
Quote from: seafoid on December 23, 2016, 01:00:42 PM
They were following him for a while so presumably they know
Could unexplained ISIS afilliated mosques in Germany be a bigger threat than YouTube?
Quote from: vallankumous on December 23, 2016, 03:12:10 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 23, 2016, 01:00:42 PM
They were following him for a while so presumably they know
Could unexplained ISIS afilliated mosques in Germany be a bigger threat than YouTube?
The ones in Molenbeek are
Quote from: seafoid on December 23, 2016, 01:00:42 PM
They were following him for a while so presumably they know
Is it any wonder we the people are being led by the hand to a third world war with statements like that. In other news Sky News has just bought 20th Century Fox.
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on December 24, 2016, 09:12:22 AM
Quote from: seafoid on December 23, 2016, 01:00:42 PM
They were following him for a while so presumably they know
Is it any wonder we the people are being led by the hand to a third world war with statements like that. In other news Sky News has just bought 20th Century Fox.
Does a war have to happen in Europe before it is a World War?
There are an almighty amount of Countries across the world involved in war just east of Europe. Do they need to be flying fighter jets over Turkey and Greece before it's a World War?
Quote from: vallankumous on December 24, 2016, 09:52:16 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on December 24, 2016, 09:12:22 AM
Quote from: seafoid on December 23, 2016, 01:00:42 PM
They were following him for a while so presumably they know
Is it any wonder we the people are being led by the hand to a third world war with statements like that. In other news Sky News has just bought 20th Century Fox.
Does a war have to happen in Europe before it is a World War?
There are an almighty amount of Countries across the world involved in war just east of Europe. Do they need to be flying fighter jets over Turkey and Greece before it's a World War?
Although all the conflicts are linked or based around similar grievances, they are not all fighting a common enemy, a la Axis v Allies. The Syrian Civil War will continue regardless of events in Libya and Yemen for example. It would be considered a world war if there were two clear sides fighting in all the same countries. I suppose you could say that America is one, but they don't have a huge ground presence and officially don't take part in any infantry battles.
Quote from: OgraAnDun on December 24, 2016, 11:32:38 AM
Although all the conflicts are linked or based around similar grievances, they are not all fighting a common enemy, a la Axis v Allies. The Syrian Civil War will continue regardless of events in Libya and Yemen for example. It would be considered a world war if there were two clear sides fighting in all the same countries. I suppose you could say that America is one, but they don't have a huge ground presence and officially don't take part in any infantry battles.
Infantry battles were in the 1940s. We've moved on.
There is a common enemy they just don't have a common tag.
Quote from: vallankumous on December 24, 2016, 11:36:41 AM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on December 24, 2016, 11:32:38 AM
Although all the conflicts are linked or based around similar grievances, they are not all fighting a common enemy, a la Axis v Allies. The Syrian Civil War will continue regardless of events in Libya and Yemen for example. It would be considered a world war if there were two clear sides fighting in all the same countries. I suppose you could say that America is one, but they don't have a huge ground presence and officially don't take part in any infantry battles.
Infantry battles were in the 1940s. We've moved on.
There is a common enemy they just don't have a common tag.
Also Afghanistan/Iraq in the past 10 years, Korea, Vietnam, the Malvinas, here, and every war in the Middle East at the minute. Maybe my military terminology isn't up to scratch - by infantry battles I mean troops engaging in contact that aren't in tanks/LAVs/planes/ships.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38481521
Getting a bad time of it lately, Turkey is such a fecked up place