Munster Club Championships 2016...no county has finished their junior championships yet.
Senior Football
QF: 30 Oct. Kilmurry/Ibrickane (Clare) v Dr. Crokes (Kerry)
QF: 30 Oct. Monaleen (Limerick) v Carbery Rangers (Cork)
SF: 13 Nov. Tipperary winners v Kilmurry/Ibrickane (Clare) or Dr. Crokes (Kerry)
SF: 13 Nov. Waterford winners v Monaleen (Limerick) or Carbery Rangers (Cork)
Final on 27 Nov
Intermediate Football
QF: 30 Oct. Fethard (Tipperary) v Kenmare (Kerry)
QF: Adare (Limerick) w/o Waterford (scr.)
SF: 13 Nov. Kilfenora (Clare) v Fethard (Tipperary) or Kenmare (Kerry)
SF: 13 Nov. Kiskeam (Cork) v Adare (Limerick)
Final on 27 Nov
Junior Football
QF: 6 Nov. Kerry winners v Waterford winners
QF: 6 Nov. Cork winners v Clare winners
SF: 20 Nov. Tipperary winners v Cork winners or Clare winners
SF: 20 Nov. Limerick winners v Kerry winners or Waterford winners
Final on 4 December in Mallow
Update 30 October
Senior Football
QF: 30 Oct. Kilmurry/Ibrickane (Clare) 0-08 Dr. Crokes (Kerry) 1-14
QF: 30 Oct. Monaleen (Limerick) 0-07 Carbery Rangers (Cork) 2-11
SF: 13 Nov. Dr. Crokes (Kerry) v Loughmore-Castleiney (Tipperary) in Killarney
SF: 13 Nov. Waterford winners (Stradbally, Abbeyside or The Nire) v Carbery Rangers (Cork) at Cork venue
Final on 27 Nov
Intermediate Football
QF: 30 Oct. Fethard (Tipperary) 0-05 Kenmare (Kerry) 4-24
QF: Adare (Limerick) w/o Waterford (scr.)
SF: 13 Nov. Kenmare (Kerry) v Kilfenora (Clare) at Kerry venue
SF: 13 Nov. Kiskeam (Cork) v Adare (Limerick) at Cork venue
Final on 27 Nov
Junior Football
QF: 6 Nov. Glenbeigh-Glencar (Kerry) v Waterford winners at Kerry venue
QF: 6 Nov. Gabriel Rangers (Cork) v Meelick (Clare) in Clonakilty
SF: 20 Nov. Clonoulty-Rossmore (Tipperary) v Gabriel Rangers (Cork) or Meelick (Clare)
SF: 20 Nov. Limerick winners v Glenbeigh-Glencar (Kerry) or Waterford winners
Final on 4 December in Mallow
Might as well add the hurling here...
Senior Hurling
QF: 30 Oct Thurles Sarsfields (Tipperary) 0-17 Ballygunner (Waterford) 0-16
SF: 6 Nov. Patrickswell (Limerick) v Glen Rovers (Cork) in Gaelic Grounds, Limerick
SF: 6 Nov. Ballyea (Clare) v Thurles Sarsfields (Tipperary) in Cusack Park, Ennis
Final on 20 Nov
Intermediate Hurling
QF: 30 Oct. Bandon (Cork) 1-12 Lismore (Waterford) 2-20
QF: 22 Oct. Monaleen (Limerick) 2-21 St. Josephs (Clare) 3-13
SF: 6 Nov. Kilmoyley (Kerry) v Monaleen (Limerick) in Gaelic Grounds, Limerick
SF: 5 Nov. Newport (Tipperary) v Lismore (Waterford)) at Waterford venue
Final on 20 Nov
Junior Hurling
QF: 29 Oct. Ballyduff Lower (Waterford) 0-15 Kilgarvan (Kerry) 0-05
QF: 30 Oct. Mayfield (Cork) 4-34 St. Patricks (Limerick) 0-02
SF: 13 Nov. Mayfield (Cork) v Bodyke (Clare) at Cork venue
SF: 13 Nov. Ballyduff Lower (Waterford) v Ballybacon/Grange (Tipperary) at Waterford venue
Final on 4 December in Mallow
Hopefully Carberry will give Crokes a decent munster final. Will need a tough game when facing Corofin/Castlebar
Quote from: gammysolo on October 31, 2016, 12:46:12 PM
Hopefully Carberry will give Crokes a decent munster final. Will need a tough game when facing Corofin/Castlebar
Very disrespectfu to the other Clubs left in Munster , remember Commercials last year and Loughmore won`t be a pushover either !
Fairly poor stuff from the Waterford County board that they couldn't fulfill the Munster intermediate championship fixture, especially given the fact that their footballers were finished playing intercounty on the 19th of June.
Smart money would be on a Kerry triple in the football at senior, intermediate and junior, with the intermediate and junior likely to be favourites for the All-Ireland final again. Crokes have a stronger bench/squad by all reports and should be a serious contender in terms of the final four.
Updated 6 Nov
Senior Football
QF: 30 Oct. Dr. Crokes (Kerry) 1-14 Kilmurry/Ibrickane (Clare) 0-08
QF: 30 Oct. Carbery Rangers (Cork) 2-11 Monaleen (Limerick) 0-07
SF: 13 Nov. Dr. Crokes (Kerry) v Loughmore-Castleiney (Tipperary) in Killarney
SF: 13 Nov. Carbery Rangers (Cork) v The Nire (Waterford) in Clonakilty
Final on 27 Nov
Intermediate Football
QF: 30 Oct. Kenmare (Kerry) 4-24 Fethard (Tipperary) 0-05
QF: Adare (Limerick) w/o Waterford (scr.)
SF: 13 Nov. Kenmare (Kerry) v Kilfenora (Clare) in Killarney
SF: 13 Nov. Kiskeam (Cork) v Adare (Limerick) at Cork venue
Final on 27 Nov
Junior Football
QF: 6 Nov. Gabriel Rangers (Cork) 2-11 Meelick (Clare) 0-02
QF: 13 Nov. Glenbeigh-Glencar (Kerry) v Waterford winners at Kerry venue
SF: 20 Nov. Clonoulty-Rossmore (Tipperary) v Gabriel Rangers (Cork)
SF: 20 Nov. Gerald Griffins (Limerick) v Glenbeigh-Glencar (Kerry) or Waterford winners
Final on 4 December in Mallow
Hurling:
Senior Hurling
QF: 30 Oct Thurles Sarsfields (Tipperary) 0-17 Ballygunner (Waterford) 0-16
SF: 6 Nov. Glen Rovers (Cork) 0-15 Patrickswell (Limerick) 0-14
SF: 6 Nov. Ballyea (Clare) 4-18 Thurles Sarsfields (Tipperary) 2-22
Final on 20 Nov Ballyea (Clare) v Glen Rovers (Cork)
Intermediate Hurling
QF: 30 Oct. Lismore (Waterford) 2-20 Bandon (Cork) 1-12
QF: 22 Oct. Monaleen (Limerick) 2-21 St. Josephs (Clare) 3-13
SF: 6 Nov. Kilmoyley (Kerry) 4-12 Monaleen (Limerick) 0-13
SF: 5 Nov. Lismore (Waterford) 1-15 Newport (Tipperary) 1-12
Final on 20 Nov Lismore (Waterford) v Kilmoyley (Kerry)
Junior Hurling
QF: 29 Oct. Ballyduff Lower (Waterford) 0-15 Kilgarvan (Kerry) 0-05
QF: 30 Oct. Mayfield (Cork) 4-34 St. Patricks (Limerick) 0-02
SF: 13 Nov. Mayfield (Cork) v Bodyke (Clare) at Cork venue
SF: 13 Nov. Ballyduff Lower (Waterford) v Ballybacon/Grange (Tipperary) at Waterford venue
Final on 4 December in Mallow
Updated 10 Nov – note Waterford did not complete their football intermediate or football junior championships in time to have representation in the Munster competition. Venues updated also.
Senior Football
QF: 30 Oct. Dr. Crokes (Kerry) 1-14 Kilmurry/Ibrickane (Clare) 0-08
QF: 30 Oct. Carbery Rangers (Cork) 2-11 Monaleen (Limerick) 0-07
SF: 13 Nov. Dr. Crokes (Kerry) v Loughmore-Castleiney (Tipperary) in Killarney
SF: 13 Nov. Carbery Rangers (Cork) v The Nire (Waterford) in Clonakilty
Final on 27 Nov
Intermediate Football
QF: 30 Oct. Kenmare (Kerry) 4-24 Fethard (Tipperary) 0-05
QF: Adare (Limerick) w/o Waterford (scr.)
SF: 13 Nov. Kenmare (Kerry) v Kilfenora (Clare) in Killarney
SF: 13 Nov. Kiskeam (Cork) v Adare (Limerick) in Mallow
Final on 27 Nov
Junior Football
QF: 6 Nov. Gabriel Rangers (Cork) 2-11 Meelick (Clare) 0-02
QF: 13 Nov. Glenbeigh-Glencar (Kerry) w/o Waterford scr.
SF: 20 Nov. Clonoulty-Rossmore (Tipperary) v Gabriel Rangers (Cork)
SF: 20 Nov. Gerald Griffins (Limerick) v Glenbeigh-Glencar (Kerry) at Limerick venue
Final on 4 December in Mallow
Hurling:
Senior Hurling
QF: 30 Oct Thurles Sarsfields (Tipperary) 0-17 Ballygunner (Waterford) 0-16
SF: 6 Nov. Glen Rovers (Cork) 0-15 Patrickswell (Limerick) 0-14
SF: 6 Nov. Ballyea (Clare) 4-18 Thurles Sarsfields (Tipperary) 2-22
Final on 20 Nov Ballyea (Clare) v Glen Rovers (Cork) in Thurles 2pm
Intermediate Hurling
QF: 30 Oct. Lismore (Waterford) 2-20 Bandon (Cork) 1-12
QF: 22 Oct. Monaleen (Limerick) 2-21 St. Josephs (Clare) 3-13
SF: 6 Nov. Kilmoyley (Kerry) 4-12 Monaleen (Limerick) 0-13
SF: 5 Nov. Lismore (Waterford) 1-15 Newport (Tipperary) 1-12
Final on 19 Nov Lismore (Waterford) v Kilmoyley (Kerry) in Mallow
Junior Hurling
QF: 29 Oct. Ballyduff Lower (Waterford) 0-15 Kilgarvan (Kerry) 0-05
QF: 30 Oct. Mayfield (Cork) 4-34 St. Patricks (Limerick) 0-02
SF: 13 Nov. Mayfield (Cork) v Bodyke (Clare) in Mayfield
SF: 13 Nov. Ballyduff Lower (Waterford) v Ballybacon/Grange (Tipperary) at Walsh Park
Final on 4 December in Mallow
Quote from: gammysolo on October 31, 2016, 12:46:12 PM
Hopefully Carberry will give Crokes a decent munster final. Will need a tough game when facing Corofin/Castlebar
;) :D :D :D . . .
Quote from: Horse Box on November 13, 2016, 04:08:04 PM
Quote from: gammysolo on October 31, 2016, 12:46:12 PM
Hopefully Carberry will give Crokes a decent munster final. Will need a tough game when facing Corofin/Castlebar
;) :D :D :D . . .
Cork football club sides beaten in the senior by a Waterford side and the intermediate by a Limerick side.
You'd almost feel sorry for Frank and the lads trying to flog season tickets for the white elephant by the Lee .
The Nire beat Nemo in Munster semi 2014, probably would have beaten Crokes in the final, only for 2 howlers by the goalie.
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 13, 2016, 07:27:38 PM
The Nire beat Nemo in Munster semi 2014, probably would have beaten Crokes in the final, only for 2 howlers by the goalie.
Replace Nemo with Ballincollig, and Crokes with Stacks, and you're bang on.
Rte radio and a lot of people seem surprised that a Waterford football side could beat a Cork side which is fairly simplistic as differences at club level are obviously not as big as inter county level. Nire have some decent footballers like Shane Walsh, Liam Lawlor and Conor Gleeson who have played inter county hurling and football and the O'Gorman brothers who have played for Munster. Gleeson was by all accounts outstanding today. They could put it up to Dr Crokes in the final.
An old woman heading into evening devotions in the chapel a while ago summed it up when she said,
"The Nire are not dire,
Carbery's hopes are on the Funeral Pyre."
Updated 15 Nov – edit some date changes, venues and times of upcoming finals.
Senior Football
QF: 30 Oct. Dr. Crokes (Kerry) 1-14 Kilmurry/Ibrickane (Clare) 0-08
QF: 30 Oct. Carbery Rangers (Cork) 2-11 Monaleen (Limerick) 0-07
SF: 13 Nov. Dr. Crokes (Kerry) 1-12 Loughmore-Castleiney (Tipperary) 0-9
SF: 13 Nov. The Nire (Waterford) 2-15 Carbery Rangers (Cork) 1-13 AET
Final: 27 Nov Dr. Crokes (Kerry) v The Nire (Waterford) in Mallow 3:30pm
Intermediate Football
QF: 30 Oct. Kenmare (Kerry) 4-24 Fethard (Tipperary) 0-05
QF: Adare (Limerick) w/o Waterford (scr.)
SF: 13 Nov. Kenmare (Kerry) 3-11 Kilfenora (Clare) 0-7
SF: 13 Nov. Adare (Limerick) 0-13 Kiskeam (Cork) 0-10
Final: 27 Nov Kenmare (Kerry) v Adare (Limerick) in Mallow 1:30pm
Junior Football
QF: 6 Nov. Gabriel Rangers (Cork) 2-11 Meelick (Clare) 0-02
QF: 13 Nov. Glenbeigh-Glencar (Kerry) w/o Waterford scr.
SF: 19 Nov. Clonoulty-Rossmore (Tipperary) v Gabriel Rangers (Cork) in Clonakilty 2pm
SF: 19 Nov. Gerald Griffins (Limerick) v Glenbeigh-Glencar (Kerry) in Ballyhahill, Co. Limerick 2pm
Final on 4 Dec. in Mallow
Senior Hurling
QF: 30 Oct Thurles Sarsfields (Tipperary) 0-17 Ballygunner (Waterford) 0-16
SF: 6 Nov. Glen Rovers (Cork) 0-15 Patrickswell (Limerick) 0-14
SF: 6 Nov. Ballyea (Clare) 4-18 Thurles Sarsfields (Tipperary) 2-22
Final: 20 Nov Ballyea (Clare) v Glen Rovers (Cork) in Thurles 2pm
Intermediate Hurling
QF: 30 Oct. Lismore (Waterford) 2-20 Bandon (Cork) 1-12
QF: 22 Oct. Monaleen (Limerick) 2-21 St. Josephs (Clare) 3-13
SF: 6 Nov. Kilmoyley (Kerry) 4-12 Monaleen (Limerick) 0-13
SF: 5 Nov. Lismore (Waterford) 1-15 Newport (Tipperary) 1-12
Final: 19 Nov Lismore (Waterford) v Kilmoyley (Kerry) in Mallow 2pm
Junior Hurling
QF: 29 Oct. Ballyduff Lower (Waterford) 0-15 Kilgarvan (Kerry) 0-05
QF: 30 Oct. Mayfield (Cork) 4-34 St. Patricks (Limerick) 0-02
SF: 13 Nov. Mayfield (Cork) 1-27 Bodyke (Clare) 1-7
SF: 13 Nov. Ballyduff Lower (Waterford) 0-14 Ballybacon/Grange (Tipperary) 0-6
Final: 4 Dec. Mayfield (Cork) v Ballyduff Lower (Waterford) in Mallow
Some changes in dates, plus venue/time clarifications added to the previous post.
20 Nov – updating junior football semifinals, hurling senior and intermediate finals
Senior Football
QF: 30 Oct. Dr. Crokes (Kerry) 1-14 Kilmurry/Ibrickane (Clare) 0-08
QF: 30 Oct. Carbery Rangers (Cork) 2-11 Monaleen (Limerick) 0-07
SF: 13 Nov. Dr. Crokes (Kerry) 1-12 Loughmore-Castleiney (Tipperary) 0-9
SF: 13 Nov. The Nire (Waterford) 2-15 Carbery Rangers (Cork) 1-13 AET
Final: 27 Nov Dr. Crokes (Kerry) v The Nire (Waterford) in Mallow 3:30pm
Intermediate Football
QF: 30 Oct. Kenmare (Kerry) 4-24 Fethard (Tipperary) 0-05
QF: Adare (Limerick) w/o Waterford (scr.)
SF: 13 Nov. Kenmare (Kerry) 3-11 Kilfenora (Clare) 0-7
SF: 13 Nov. Adare (Limerick) 0-13 Kiskeam (Cork) 0-10
Final: 27 Nov Kenmare (Kerry) v Adare (Limerick) in Mallow 1:30pm
Junior Football
QF: 6 Nov. Gabriel Rangers (Cork) 2-11 Meelick (Clare) 0-02
QF: 13 Nov. Glenbeigh-Glencar (Kerry) w/o Waterford scr.
SF: 19 Nov. Gabriel Rangers (Cork) 1-13 Clonoulty-Rossmore (Tipperary) 1-4
SF: 19 Nov. Glenbeigh-Glencar (Kerry) 1-13 Gerald Griffins (Limerick) 0-6
Final 4 Dec. Gabriel Rangers (Cork) v Glenbeigh-Glencar (Kerry) in Mallow
Hurling:
Senior Hurling
QF: 30 Oct Thurles Sarsfields (Tipperary) 0-17 Ballygunner (Waterford) 0-16
SF: 6 Nov. Glen Rovers (Cork) 0-15 Patrickswell (Limerick) 0-14
SF: 6 Nov. Ballyea (Clare) 4-18 Thurles Sarsfields (Tipperary) 2-22
Final: 20 Nov Ballyea (Clare) 1-21 Glen Rovers (Cork) 2-10
Intermediate Hurling
QF: 30 Oct. Lismore (Waterford) 2-20 Bandon (Cork) 1-12
QF: 22 Oct. Monaleen (Limerick) 2-21 St. Josephs (Clare) 3-13
SF: 6 Nov. Kilmoyley (Kerry) 4-12 Monaleen (Limerick) 0-13
SF: 5 Nov. Lismore (Waterford) 1-15 Newport (Tipperary) 1-12
Final: 19 Nov Lismore (Waterford) 2-14 Kilmoyley (Kerry) 0-13
Junior Hurling
QF: 29 Oct. Ballyduff Lower (Waterford) 0-15 Kilgarvan (Kerry) 0-05
QF: 30 Oct. Mayfield (Cork) 4-34 St. Patricks (Limerick) 0-02
SF: 13 Nov. Mayfield (Cork) 1-27 Bodyke (Clare) 1-7
SF: 13 Nov. Ballyduff Lower (Waterford) 0-14 Ballybacon/Grange (Tipperary) 0-6
Final: 4 Dec. Mayfield (Cork) v Ballyduff Lower (Waterford) in Mallow
Best of luck to the nire today, shouldve beaten stacks couple of years ago, would be great if they could manage it today
Quote from: gammysolo on October 31, 2016, 12:46:12 PM
Hopefully Carberry will give Crokes a decent munster final. Will need a tough game when facing Corofin/Castlebar
Still laughing at this :D :D :D . . .
Nire struggling to make any impression.
Impressive from Crokes so far and like the Connacht final it looks like one team is far superior to their opponents. Not sure about that penalty though.
Embarrassing stuff! :-\
Corofin v Crokes in the semi should be a good game at least.
More of a blow out game than the Connacht final.
I see Kenmare Shamrocks are hockeying all before and after them only adds to the Joke that Kerry can enter the team just below their Top eight into the Intermediate Championship. The Bookies already have them at 4/11 to win the AI title. Kerry's abuse of the system has to be one of the greatest jokes in Club football!
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 27, 2016, 10:07:44 PM
I see Kenmare Shamrocks are hockeying all before and after them only adds to the Joke that Kerry can enter the team just below their Top eight into the Intermediate Championship. The Bookies already have them at 4/11 to win the AI title. Kerry's abuse of the system has to be one of the greatest jokes in Club football!
Westport will give them bags of it.
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 27, 2016, 10:07:44 PM
I see Kenmare Shamrocks are hockeying all before and after them only adds to the Joke that Kerry can enter the team just below their Top eight into the Intermediate Championship. The Bookies already have them at 4/11 to win the AI title. Kerry's abuse of the system has to be one of the greatest jokes in Club football!
I've had lengthy discussions on other threads regarding this. I think the Kerry Championship system is completely corrupt.
Quote from: ashman on November 27, 2016, 10:24:11 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 27, 2016, 10:07:44 PM
I see Kenmare Shamrocks are hockeying all before and after them only adds to the Joke that Kerry can enter the team just below their Top eight into the Intermediate Championship. The Bookies already have them at 4/11 to win the AI title. Kerry's abuse of the system has to be one of the greatest jokes in Club football!
Westport will give them bags of it.
Lambs to the slaughter.
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 27, 2016, 10:07:44 PM
I see Kenmare Shamrocks are hockeying all before and after them only adds to the Joke that Kerry can enter the team just below their Top eight into the Intermediate Championship. The Bookies already have them at 4/11 to win the AI title. Kerry's abuse of the system has to be one of the greatest jokes in Club football!
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27 Nov – updating senior and intermediate football finals, plus confirming time and venue for junior final in hurling and football next Sunday
Senior Football
QF: 30 Oct. Dr. Crokes (Kerry) 1-14 Kilmurry/Ibrickane (Clare) 0-08
QF: 30 Oct. Carbery Rangers (Cork) 2-11 Monaleen (Limerick) 0-07
SF: 13 Nov. Dr. Crokes (Kerry) 1-12 Loughmore-Castleiney (Tipperary) 0-9
SF: 13 Nov. The Nire (Waterford) 2-15 Carbery Rangers (Cork) 1-13 AET
Final: 27 Nov Dr. Crokes (Kerry) 3-15 The Nire (Waterford) 0-6
Intermediate Football
QF: 30 Oct. Kenmare (Kerry) 4-24 Fethard (Tipperary) 0-05
QF: Adare (Limerick) w/o Waterford (scr.)
SF: 13 Nov. Kenmare (Kerry) 3-11 Kilfenora (Clare) 0-7
SF: 13 Nov. Adare (Limerick) 0-13 Kiskeam (Cork) 0-10
Final: 27 Nov Kenmare (Kerry) 1-20 Adare (Limerick) 1-8
Junior Football
QF: 6 Nov. Gabriel Rangers (Cork) 2-11 Meelick (Clare) 0-02
QF: 13 Nov. Glenbeigh-Glencar (Kerry) w/o Waterford scr.
SF: 19 Nov. Gabriel Rangers (Cork) 1-13 Clonoulty-Rossmore (Tipperary) 1-4
SF: 19 Nov. Glenbeigh-Glencar (Kerry) 1-13 Gerald Griffins (Limerick) 0-6
Final 4 Dec. Gabriel Rangers (Cork) v Glenbeigh-Glencar (Kerry) in Mallow 3:15pm
Senior Hurling
QF: 30 Oct Thurles Sarsfields (Tipperary) 0-17 Ballygunner (Waterford) 0-16
SF: 6 Nov. Glen Rovers (Cork) 0-15 Patrickswell (Limerick) 0-14
SF: 6 Nov. Ballyea (Clare) 4-18 Thurles Sarsfields (Tipperary) 2-22
Final: 20 Nov Ballyea (Clare) 1-21 Glen Rovers (Cork) 2-10
Intermediate Hurling
QF: 30 Oct. Lismore (Waterford) 2-20 Bandon (Cork) 1-12
QF: 22 Oct. Monaleen (Limerick) 2-21 St. Josephs (Clare) 3-13
SF: 6 Nov. Kilmoyley (Kerry) 4-12 Monaleen (Limerick) 0-13
SF: 5 Nov. Lismore (Waterford) 1-15 Newport (Tipperary) 1-12
Final: 19 Nov Lismore (Waterford) 2-14 Kilmoyley (Kerry) 0-13
Junior Hurling
QF: 29 Oct. Ballyduff Lower (Waterford) 0-15 Kilgarvan (Kerry) 0-05
QF: 30 Oct. Mayfield (Cork) 4-34 St. Patricks (Limerick) 0-02
SF: 13 Nov. Mayfield (Cork) 1-27 Bodyke (Clare) 1-7
SF: 13 Nov. Ballyduff Lower (Waterford) 0-14 Ballybacon/Grange (Tipperary) 0-6
Final: 4 Dec. Mayfield (Cork) v Ballyduff Lower (Waterford) in Mallow 1:30pm
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 27, 2016, 10:34:16 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 27, 2016, 10:07:44 PM
I see Kenmare Shamrocks are hockeying all before and after them only adds to the Joke that Kerry can enter the team just below their Top eight into the Intermediate Championship. The Bookies already have them at 4/11 to win the AI title. Kerry's abuse of the system has to be one of the greatest jokes in Club football!
I've had lengthy discussions on other threads regarding this. I think the Kerry Championship system is completely corrupt.
Such rubbish!
Every county board is entitled to set up their own championships in whatever format they like.
If a county thinks that by putting less clubs in the senior club championship that they will win more intermediate and junior club all irelands then there is nothing to stop them from doing it!
In addition, the kerry county championship has had divisional sides in it long before the all ireland club series for intermediate and junior teams was introduced. It's not as if Kerry saw the inter and junior all ireland championships introduced and thought how can we restructure our championships to win more of these!
I completely agree that the Kerry system improves that standard of players in kerry because EVERY player in the county gets an opportunity to play senior club championship.
BUT, I believe MORE counties should adopt this format!
Shouldn't the objective in every club/county be to get players playing at as high a level as possible to improve the standard as much as possible?
What is required here is someone to do an analysis of the total number of clubs in each county broken down by senior, inter and junior . Then we will see if there is "structural doping" .
Quote from: westbound on November 28, 2016, 09:37:26 AM
Such rubbish!
Every county board is entitled to set up their own championships in whatever format they like.
If a county thinks that by putting less clubs in the senior club championship that they will win more intermediate and junior club all irelands then there is nothing to stop them from doing it!
In addition, the kerry county championship has had divisional sides in it long before the all ireland club series for intermediate and junior teams was introduced. It's not as if Kerry saw the inter and junior all ireland championships introduced and thought how can we restructure our championships to win more of these!
I completely agree that the Kerry system improves that standard of players in kerry because EVERY player in the county gets an opportunity to play senior club championship.
BUT, I believe MORE counties should adopt this format!
Shouldn't the objective in every club/county be to get players playing at as high a level as possible to improve the standard as much as possible?
It's very hard to argue that the Kerry club/divisional setup isn't very successful in terms of contributing to intercounty and club success.
Why more counties don't adopt similar structures utterly baffles me.
Quote from: twohands!!! on November 28, 2016, 04:35:58 PM
Quote from: westbound on November 28, 2016, 09:37:26 AM
Such rubbish!
Every county board is entitled to set up their own championships in whatever format they like.
If a county thinks that by putting less clubs in the senior club championship that they will win more intermediate and junior club all irelands then there is nothing to stop them from doing it!
In addition, the kerry county championship has had divisional sides in it long before the all ireland club series for intermediate and junior teams was introduced. It's not as if Kerry saw the inter and junior all ireland championships introduced and thought how can we restructure our championships to win more of these!
I completely agree that the Kerry system improves that standard of players in kerry because EVERY player in the county gets an opportunity to play senior club championship.
BUT, I believe MORE counties should adopt this format!
Shouldn't the objective in every club/county be to get players playing at as high a level as possible to improve the standard as much as possible?
It's very hard to argue that the Kerry club/divisional setup isn't very successful in terms of contributing to intercounty and club success.
Why more counties don't adopt similar structures utterly baffles me.
It's hard enough to get championships ran off as it is. You wouldn't be able to run intermediate championship games on the same weekend as senior ones. And then think of counties with duel considerations.
Quote from: shark on November 28, 2016, 05:11:01 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on November 28, 2016, 04:35:58 PM
Quote from: westbound on November 28, 2016, 09:37:26 AM
Such rubbish!
Every county board is entitled to set up their own championships in whatever format they like.
If a county thinks that by putting less clubs in the senior club championship that they will win more intermediate and junior club all irelands then there is nothing to stop them from doing it!
In addition, the kerry county championship has had divisional sides in it long before the all ireland club series for intermediate and junior teams was introduced. It's not as if Kerry saw the inter and junior all ireland championships introduced and thought how can we restructure our championships to win more of these!
I completely agree that the Kerry system improves that standard of players in kerry because EVERY player in the county gets an opportunity to play senior club championship.
BUT, I believe MORE counties should adopt this format!
Shouldn't the objective in every club/county be to get players playing at as high a level as possible to improve the standard as much as possible?
It's very hard to argue that the Kerry club/divisional setup isn't very successful in terms of contributing to intercounty and club success.
Why more counties don't adopt similar structures utterly baffles me.
It's hard enough to get championships ran off as it is. You wouldn't be able to run intermediate championship games on the same weekend as senior ones. And then think of counties with duel considerations.
Kerry don't have a huge hurling constituency to deal with but that's true for a lot of other counties.
Also Kerry are generally involved in the championship well into August if not September but I'm struggling to think if they ever failed to provide representatives for Munster.
Quote from: twohands!!! on November 28, 2016, 08:37:10 PM
Quote from: shark on November 28, 2016, 05:11:01 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on November 28, 2016, 04:35:58 PM
Quote from: westbound on November 28, 2016, 09:37:26 AM
Such rubbish!
Every county board is entitled to set up their own championships in whatever format they like.
If a county thinks that by putting less clubs in the senior club championship that they will win more intermediate and junior club all irelands then there is nothing to stop them from doing it!
In addition, the kerry county championship has had divisional sides in it long before the all ireland club series for intermediate and junior teams was introduced. It's not as if Kerry saw the inter and junior all ireland championships introduced and thought how can we restructure our championships to win more of these!
I completely agree that the Kerry system improves that standard of players in kerry because EVERY player in the county gets an opportunity to play senior club championship.
BUT, I believe MORE counties should adopt this format!
Shouldn't the objective in every club/county be to get players playing at as high a level as possible to improve the standard as much as possible?
It's very hard to argue that the Kerry club/divisional setup isn't very successful in terms of contributing to intercounty and club success.
Why more counties don't adopt similar structures utterly baffles me.
It's hard enough to get championships ran off as it is. You wouldn't be able to run intermediate championship games on the same weekend as senior ones. And then think of counties with duel considerations.
Kerry don't have a huge hurling constituency to deal with but that's true for a lot of other counties.
Also Kerry are generally involved in the championship well into August if not September but I'm struggling to think if they ever failed to provide representatives for Munster.
2015 they had a situation where Legion represented them against Nemo, having drawn the county final the previous weekend. They have their problems with the calendar too.
Structural doping.... ;D ;D ;D ;D
As people (even a Cork poster ffs!) have said, there is nothing wrong with what we do in terms of championship structure. People can moan away about it, but the fact is there is a purpose and reasoning behind why the championship at every level is the way it is and it is NOT because we want clubs to win Inter/Junior All Irelands.
The Senior championship exists to be a feeding ground to the County panel mainly. Therefore a high standard in the premier club competition needs to be maintained in order for it to fulfill its purpose. There was a severe decline in standard in the Kerry Senior championship at the end of the 2000s and remedial action was needed. Thus last year the number of Senior club teams was reduced to 8, with 9 divisional teams. 2 divisional teams play a prelim game which leaved a 16 team championship.
If people wanted the truth and delved deeper behind this, they would find that the clubs beyond the top 8 who were winning Intermediate championships were clubs who weren't capable of sustaining a challenge at the top table. Clubs like Finuge (a dual club with Lixnaw hurling in reality), St Michaels/Foilmore (struggling badly for numbers like ALL of South Kerry), Ardfert (also a dual club), Currow (a tiny rural club) - these teams were going up Senior and getting hammered, which was doing nothing for them OR Kerry football.
The demise of some former giants of club football like Laune Rangers (now a Div 3 club), John Mitchels, An Gaeltacht (although they are improving again and Div 1 for 2017) - even formerly solid Senior clubs like Castleisland, Glenflesk..all has had an impact. I don't know if people realise, and this is not me straying into a general moan, but South Kerry - a massively important area for Kerry Football - is turning into an economic black hole. To illustrate, 4 formerly strong club sides (Skellig Rangers, Valentia, Sneem and Derrynane) now have to amalgamate to make an underage team. Valentia, i was told a few weeks ago, have 14 adult players registered for next year and are talking about not fielding. This is the club of Mick O'Connell we're talking about here.
Anyway, I'm straying off the main point slightly..if someone is telling me that Kenmare - who have risen from Division 3 to Division 1 (although back down to Div 2 in 2017) and who have gone from being a poor Junior club to being Intermediate champions of Kerry and Munster, a club who have NEVER been Senior in their history - if they have some unfair advantage here, I must be missing something!!
Must say I tend to agree with those who argue that Kerry can do whatever they want regarding their own championship. Gives the players in junior clubs the opportunity to shine and not get lost when graduating from minors and U21 etc.
Quote from: shark on November 28, 2016, 09:57:03 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on November 28, 2016, 08:37:10 PM
Quote from: shark on November 28, 2016, 05:11:01 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on November 28, 2016, 04:35:58 PM
Quote from: westbound on November 28, 2016, 09:37:26 AM
Such rubbish!
Every county board is entitled to set up their own championships in whatever format they like.
If a county thinks that by putting less clubs in the senior club championship that they will win more intermediate and junior club all irelands then there is nothing to stop them from doing it!
In addition, the kerry county championship has had divisional sides in it long before the all ireland club series for intermediate and junior teams was introduced. It's not as if Kerry saw the inter and junior all ireland championships introduced and thought how can we restructure our championships to win more of these!
I completely agree that the Kerry system improves that standard of players in kerry because EVERY player in the county gets an opportunity to play senior club championship.
BUT, I believe MORE counties should adopt this format!
Shouldn't the objective in every club/county be to get players playing at as high a level as possible to improve the standard as much as possible?
It's very hard to argue that the Kerry club/divisional setup isn't very successful in terms of contributing to intercounty and club success.
Why more counties don't adopt similar structures utterly baffles me.
It's hard enough to get championships ran off as it is. You wouldn't be able to run intermediate championship games on the same weekend as senior ones. And then think of counties with duel considerations.
Kerry don't have a huge hurling constituency to deal with but that's true for a lot of other counties.
Also Kerry are generally involved in the championship well into August if not September but I'm struggling to think if they ever failed to provide representatives for Munster.
2015 they had a situation where Legion represented them against Nemo, having drawn the county final the previous weekend. They have their problems with the calendar too.
The scenario with Killarney Legion is covered by rule within the Kerry county board as I recall...they seem to plan for county success was what I got out of that situation.
If they are so successful though, would you not expect others to copy the Kerry method? The fact that not many do seems to suggest that the Kerry way is not viewed as being any good. Why is that?
If it's not viewed as any good, then the people doing the viewing need to have a look at themselves. Cork do it as well though, with amalgamations, and the constituent clubs competing at lower levels. They're obviously corrupt too.
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 29, 2016, 03:25:21 PM
If it's not viewed as any good, then the people doing the viewing need to have a look at themselves. Cork do it as well though, with amalgamations, and the constituent clubs competing at lower levels. They're obviously corrupt too.
Yeah it's like there's a clear blueprint of how to be successful and have a strong club scene and other county boards don't seem to want to know. In some counties I think there is a strong element of "we've always done it this way so we'll keep doing it this way" with regard to structures. Combine that with trying to get delegates to agree to changes, mean a lot of counties have sub-par structures.
Cork actually enter their 4th level of their footballers into the Munster junior competition for some reason - more crazy stuff.
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 29, 2016, 03:25:21 PM
If it's not viewed as any good, then the people doing the viewing need to have a look at themselves. Cork do it as well though, with amalgamations, and the constituent clubs competing at lower levels. They're obviously corrupt too.
It's not that it's not viewed as good, it's that it will pile on top of the already unworkable fixtures situation. The idea of every player getting to play senior championship sounds great on the face of it. There are only so many weekends between April and October.
Quote from: shark on November 29, 2016, 04:10:23 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 29, 2016, 03:25:21 PM
If it's not viewed as any good, then the people doing the viewing need to have a look at themselves. Cork do it as well though, with amalgamations, and the constituent clubs competing at lower levels. They're obviously corrupt too.
It's not that it's not viewed as good, it's that it will pile on top of the already unworkable fixtures situation. The idea of every player getting to play senior championship sounds great on the face of it. There are only so many weekends between April and October.
The thing is that there are plenty of counties with a hurling scene that is probably the same as Kerry's in terms of taking up fixture time.
I'm pretty sure Kerry are up among the top 5/6 counties in terms of number of clubs and Kerry are usually involved at county level for a good bit, especially when you take into account senior, U21, minor and junior, yet they manage it. There must easily be 20 counties with a smaller number of clubs, that play the same or less amount of club hurling, and don't have as much intercounty action. What's stopping all of them adopting similar structures?
4 Dec – updating junior football and hurling finals. All done for 2016 edit to correct score in junior football final
Senior Football
QF: 30 Oct. Dr. Crokes (Kerry) 1-14 Kilmurry/Ibrickane (Clare) 0-08
QF: 30 Oct. Carbery Rangers (Cork) 2-11 Monaleen (Limerick) 0-07
SF: 13 Nov. Dr. Crokes (Kerry) 1-12 Loughmore-Castleiney (Tipperary) 0-9
SF: 13 Nov. The Nire (Waterford) 2-15 Carbery Rangers (Cork) 1-13 AET
Final: 27 Nov Dr. Crokes (Kerry) 3-15 The Nire (Waterford) 0-6
Intermediate Football
QF: 30 Oct. Kenmare (Kerry) 4-24 Fethard (Tipperary) 0-05
QF: Adare (Limerick) w/o Waterford (scr.)
SF: 13 Nov. Kenmare (Kerry) 3-11 Kilfenora (Clare) 0-7
SF: 13 Nov. Adare (Limerick) 0-13 Kiskeam (Cork) 0-10
Final: 27 Nov Kenmare (Kerry) 1-20 Adare (Limerick) 1-8
Junior Football
QF: 6 Nov. Gabriel Rangers (Cork) 2-11 Meelick (Clare) 0-02
QF: 13 Nov. Glenbeigh-Glencar (Kerry) w/o Waterford scr.
SF: 19 Nov. Gabriel Rangers (Cork) 1-13 Clonoulty-Rossmore (Tipperary) 1-4
SF: 19 Nov. Glenbeigh-Glencar (Kerry) 1-13 Gerald Griffins (Limerick) 0-6
Final 4 Dec. Glenbeigh-Glencar (Kerry) 2-16 Gabriel Rangers (Cork) 0-10
Senior Hurling
QF: 30 Oct Thurles Sarsfields (Tipperary) 0-17 Ballygunner (Waterford) 0-16
SF: 6 Nov. Glen Rovers (Cork) 0-15 Patrickswell (Limerick) 0-14
SF: 6 Nov. Ballyea (Clare) 4-18 Thurles Sarsfields (Tipperary) 2-22
Final: 20 Nov Ballyea (Clare) 1-21 Glen Rovers (Cork) 2-10
Intermediate Hurling
QF: 30 Oct. Lismore (Waterford) 2-20 Bandon (Cork) 1-12
QF: 22 Oct. Monaleen (Limerick) 2-21 St. Josephs (Clare) 3-13
SF: 6 Nov. Kilmoyley (Kerry) 4-12 Monaleen (Limerick) 0-13
SF: 5 Nov. Lismore (Waterford) 1-15 Newport (Tipperary) 1-12
Final: 19 Nov Lismore (Waterford) 2-14 Kilmoyley (Kerry) 0-13
Junior Hurling
QF: 29 Oct. Ballyduff Lower (Waterford) 0-15 Kilgarvan (Kerry) 0-05
QF: 30 Oct. Mayfield (Cork) 4-34 St. Patricks (Limerick) 0-02
SF: 13 Nov. Mayfield (Cork) 1-27 Bodyke (Clare) 1-7
SF: 13 Nov. Ballyduff Lower (Waterford) 0-14 Ballybacon/Grange (Tipperary) 0-6
Final: 4 Dec. Mayfield (Cork) 2-18 v Ballyduff Lower (Waterford) 3-10
Final 4 Dec. Glenbeigh-Glencar (Kerry) 2-16 Gabriel Rangers (Cork) 2-10
was this result not 2-16 to 0-10?
Quote from: clarshack on December 05, 2016, 10:05:03 AM
Final 4 Dec. Glenbeigh-Glencar (Kerry) 2-16 Gabriel Rangers (Cork) 2-10
was this result not 2-16 to 0-10?
Corrected...thanks for spotting that. My source was incorrect.