Tipp by 5!
:D
I'm hoping for Tipp, but Kilkenny never know when they're dead
A draaawwwgh
For this one I really couldn't give a shít either way, just hoping its a humdinger of a game, winner will be immaterial in my eyes as one county will be winning its 37th odd AI and the other it's 27th one, not one for the neutrals I'm afraid.
Tipp might actually celebrate if they win, Kilkenny won't..
Hard to believe Tipp have only won one AI in 15 years? :o
I'd like to see Tipperary win it, but its hard to look past Kilkenny in the final. The cats by 4 points.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 02, 2016, 03:05:12 PM
Hard to believe Tipp have only won one AI in 15 years? :o
They've only won one AI per decade since the 60's, i.e. 71, 89, 91, 01 and 10. In much of that time they were knocked out fairly early on but in the last decade or so have been regulars in the last four or even two, they had the winning of more than just the one in that time alright.
Quote from: johnneycool on September 02, 2016, 02:44:04 PM
For this one I really couldn't give a shít either way, just hoping its a humdinger of a game, winner will be immaterial in my eyes as one county will be winning its 37th odd AI and the other it's 27th one, not one for the neutrals I'm afraid.
Tipp might actually celebrate if they win, Kilkenny won't..
Exactly how I feel.
Quote from: johnneycool on September 02, 2016, 02:44:04 PM
Tipp might actually celebrate if they win, Kilkenny won't..
Reminds me of this...
https://www.facebook.com/WhispersNews/videos/vb.247386520194/10156116589215195/?type=2
Kilkenny if it's tight, Tipp if it's not.
Unless tipp score 3 goals in the first 15 minutes of the second half KK will pull away in the last 10
I'd like to see Tipp win
But Kilkenny by 3/4 points
Think Tipp will win this and it might even be comfortable. Kilkenny just don't look formidable to me this year and I think they've come through a poor Leinster championship (Galway excepted) and beaten a very young Waterford team who would have psychological issues with Kilkenny. Think there might be a changing of the guard happening and Tipp could herald that in tomorrow. Tipp by 4.
Brian Cody is the reason why you can't write Kilkenny off from winning another All Ireland title. I don't think some will realise how great and important he is to Kilkenny until he's gone.
f**k me, Up For The Match is even f**king worse than I remember. Some awful f**king doses on it.
Quote from: gallsman on September 03, 2016, 10:50:35 PM
f**k me, Up For The Match is even f**king worse than I remember. Some awful f**king doses on it.
It's Ireland's shame
Talk of Eoin Murphy being out today, could be a big loss as he's a great sweeper and helps his defence out immensely
Commentary in Irish, sweet!
No Ger Canning!
Prendergast is killing Kilkenny here. Very nervous and jumpy leading to giving away an awful lot of ball.
Officials giving Kilkenny a helping hand. Walsh shot that was definitely wide and a free for Reid in the corner for nothing.
Quote from: yellowcard on September 04, 2016, 04:02:31 PM
Officials giving Kilkenny a helping hand. Walsh shot that was definitely wide and a free for Reid in the corner for nothing.
I thought the Walsh one was a score. Reid free was an advantage - Duignan called it that the ref had had his hand up.
Quote from: gallsman on September 04, 2016, 04:05:15 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 04, 2016, 04:02:31 PM
Officials giving Kilkenny a helping hand. Walsh shot that was definitely wide and a free for Reid in the corner for nothing.
I thought the Walsh one was a score. Reid free was an advantage - Duignan called it that the ref had had his hand up.
Surely he lost the advantage by overcarrrying the ball?
Quote from: yellowcard on September 04, 2016, 04:02:31 PM
Officials giving Kilkenny a helping hand. Walsh shot that was definitely wide and a free for Reid in the corner for nothing.
Completly wrong.Hawkeye would have alerted the ref if it was wide and Reids hand was being pulled back so was a free.
Free to Reid was a good call.
Tipp should be 5 or 6 pts up, some poor shooting especially early on.
Would expect KK to seriously up their intensity after HT, prob need to make a change at FB too, Holden is getting cleaned by Callinan.
Definite free for Reid but have no idea if Walsh's score was over. Good game though I thought it just tipped along until the last 5 minutes when the intensity went up quite a bit. Think Kilkenny have a lot to do to win from here. A Tipp goal could end it.
Quote from: yellowcard on September 04, 2016, 04:02:31 PM
Officials giving Kilkenny a helping hand. Walsh shot that was definitely wide and a free for Reid in the corner for nothing.
Definetly wide ? Looked close but I am sure Hawkeye had a look at it
Not entirely sure its the great game the analysts are saying, too many basic errors for that.
12 points from play for Tipp, 6 from Kilkenny. Blanchfield, Hogan, Walsh, Kelly, Fennelly and TJ from play aren't in the game at all. Walsh and Kelly started well but have largely disappeared. Difference this year compared to others is KK don't have much on the bench. I wouldn't like to be throwing John Power on and depending on him to turn an All Ireland.
Quote from: johnneycool on September 04, 2016, 04:14:37 PM
Not entirely sure its the great game the analysts are saying, too many basic errors for that.
Yup, it's exciting because it's close but it's been quite sloppy. Some lovely scores but most without any pressure. Hopefully the intensity rising just before half time and the closeness will give us a good second half.
Intinsity!!!!!
A lot of basic errors
Think that's the game. Too many Kilkenny players having a bad day for them to come back. Tipp could pull well clear here.
Cats still in this
Tipp by far the hungrier team
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on September 04, 2016, 04:26:36 PM
A lot of basic errors
Dead on DJ :)
Still in it due to scores from frees
Very basic error from Kelly
Always turn away from the direction the pass comes from
Have never seen the Cats being outplayed like this. Tipp completely destroying them. Should have had at least 2 more goals.
KK don't have the subs to change the game. Some of their backs are getting a trimming, especially Holden.
Quote from: StGallsGAA on September 04, 2016, 04:44:08 PM
Have never seen the Cats being outplayed like this. Tipp completely destroying them. Should have had at least 2 more goals.
2010 was much worse. 2012 Leinster final.
And that is most certainly that.
Oh wait...
MOTM?
Any of the Tipp if line. Probably Callahan.
Agreed Callanan
Mick Fennelly would not have been worth 9 points or would he?
Great game
Quote from: Walt Jabsco on September 04, 2016, 04:59:44 PM
Mick Fennelly would not have been worth 9 points or would he?
Ah not at all, the game bypassed the midfield largely.
Thoroughly deserved by Tipp. Kilkenny were awful. Pádraig Walsh the only one of them to really stand up in my opinion.
Quote from: Walt Jabsco on September 04, 2016, 04:59:44 PM
Mick Fennelly would not have been worth 9 points or would he?
Kieran Joyce isn't at it any more.
Big Lennon must have blotted the copybook since the Leinster final to be overlooked.
Tipp the better team no doubt
Callinan without a shadow of doubt. Great Tipp performance but a fairly non-descript final for neutrals. Said before the game that we could be seeing a changing of the guard and I think that's definitely true now. Waterford, Tipp and perhaps Galway and Clare should challenge for All Irelands in the coming years.
Callinan probably MOTM but I thought Noel McGrath was excellent in general play and his use of the ball was a joy to watch.
You woukd hope it would be the end of the cats.
Kilkenny forwards just didn't show at all. Their touch was poor across the team, with some awful hospital passes in the back line, including one that directly led to the second goal.
Kelly scored 1-1 but really didn't do much. The goal was gifted to him. Blanchfield doesn't have the pace or strength to bully his way in the way he tried today. Larkin scored two good points in the first half but then wasn't seen again.
Poorest final in a number of years. In saying that, takes nothing away from Tipp. Best team by a mile.
Bad form cursing on live television. It seems to be all the rage these days. Kilkenny looked flat, Tipperary far the better side.
Have to say, I don't really buy the chip on the shoulder that Bubbles was showing there. They've been rightfully doubted over the years as they've had this talent and ability to compete with Kilkenny since 09 and after 2010 they decided to rest on their laurels and enjoy themselves too much.
Quote from: Rudi on September 04, 2016, 05:08:52 PM
Bad form cursing on live television. It seems to be all the rage these days. Kilkenny looked flat, Tipperary far the better side.
Wait till Effin Eddie Moroney gets going!!!
Imagine if a Tyrone player cursed like that on live TV. 😃
Quote from: gallsman on September 04, 2016, 05:15:18 PM
Have to say, I don't really buy the chip on the shoulder that Bubbles was showing there. They've been rightfully doubted over the years as they've had this talent and ability to compete with Kilkenny since 09 and after 2010 they decided to rest on their laurels and enjoy themselves too much.
2 out of 6.is below average
What's Galway's ratio?
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 04, 2016, 06:35:38 PM
What's Galway's ratio?
You know the answer to that one yourself! 😉
Not that I would defend Tipp too often but they did happen to run into probably the best hurling team of all time for a lot of that period. A 14 or 15 point win wouldn't have been out of the question with the way they performed - the blew KK away in most aspects of today's game. They are worthy champions.
Can't think of a bigger total than 2-29 in a final
Quote from: Minder on September 04, 2016, 06:49:26 PM
Can't think of a bigger total than 2-29 in a final
Kilkenny got 3-30 against Waterford in 2008.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 04, 2016, 06:35:38 PM
What's Galway's ratio?
0 out of 2.
Cork and Galway have beaten Cody 3 times. Tipp twice
Quote from: seafoid on September 04, 2016, 06:20:30 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 04, 2016, 05:15:18 PM
Have to say, I don't really buy the chip on the shoulder that Bubbles was showing there. They've been rightfully doubted over the years as they've had this talent and ability to compete with Kilkenny since 09 and after 2010 they decided to rest on their laurels and enjoy themselves too much.
2 out of 6.is below average
That's my point - people had every right to doubt them after their failures over the years.
Kilkenny full back line lack of pace was badly exposed by a brilliant Tipperary full forward line. Paul Murphy even struggled. Kilkenny kept battling but the game was up for them after Tipp's 2nd goal. Tipp after they won the All Ireland senior and under 21 in 2010 didn't go on to dominate the game and win another few All Irelands as some expected so will be interesting to see can they do it this time. They have the players and a good manager in Michael Ryan who will try and keep their feet on the ground. It was a good game but the fact that Tipp won by 9 points means it wasn't an all time classic.
Quote from: Rudi on September 04, 2016, 05:08:52 PM
Bad form cursing on live television. It seems to be all the rage these days. Kilkenny looked flat, Tipperary far the better side.
No excuse for that at all. I don't care if it is in the heat of the moment, but it is a very poor advert. I texted his mate to give him a slap on live television, which he did with perfection.
Quote from: waterfordlad on September 04, 2016, 08:02:21 PM
Kilkenny full back line lack of pace was badly exposed by a brilliant Tipperary full forward line. Paul Murphy even struggled. Kilkenny kept battling but the game was up for them after Tipp's 2nd goal. Tipp after they won the All Ireland senior and under 21 in 2010 didn't go on to dominate the game and win another few All Irelands as some expected so will be interesting to see can they do it this time. They have the players and a good manager in Michael Ryan who will try and keep their feet on the ground. It was a good game but the fact that Tipp won by 9 points means it wasn't an all time classic.
The KK full back line were badly exposed due to the quality of the ball being played in and the space afforded to them by their own half backs shipping water badly with the young Walsh holding his own, but the Tipp forwards turned up today and were superb unlike the semi-final.
Tipp could dominate for the next few years if they keep their heads.
Tipp were deffo 9 or 10 points better. However had they been only 4 or 5 points better it would have been a toss up as to who won. This past few years Kilkenny have managed to eke out wins when they've kept within range.
Looking at the amount of ball Tipp won close to the goals in the first half, they could have developed a world of goal scoring opportunities had the first receiver not opted to point on sight instead of holding it up for a runner. Part of their path to victory was the realisation that Kilkenny didn't need to be shown such respect.
For Kilkenny, this defeat for has resonance with their 2004 and 2010 All Ireland defeats. On both days they got wiped out in the last 20 minutes and looked jaded. On both occasions, Cody looked bereft of game changing ideas on the sideline also.
Both times it felt like the end of the era, but each time Cody came back with revitalised teams and some tactical refinements. This time he doesn't have the same material to work with though. Kilkenny don't have any all time greats on their team any more. Their underage hasn't been exceptional for a long time either.
Once other counties start to sense a dip in Kilkenny's supremacy, they'll all be extra geed up to have a cut at them. Right now Clare and Waterford probably have better players than Kilkenny. Once they start hurling the 15 Kilkenny men in front of them and not the aura that Cody created, Kilkenny may not have cause to block book the hotels for the first Sunday in September.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on September 04, 2016, 10:14:18 PM
Right now Clare and Waterford probably have better players than Kilkenny.
Clare have barely beaten a decent side in championship since 2013. They have lots of good players (albeit of a certain type) but physically they are behind all four of this year's semi-finalists. Some way behind.
Davy Fitz and his tactics taking a beating on the Sunday game.Really like Brendan Cummins and would like to see him replace Duignan as the main commentator
Sunday Game team of the championship.
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Quote from: ashman on September 04, 2016, 05:29:39 PM
Imagine if a Tyrone player cursed like that on live TV. 😃
It was awful.
Never mind Tyrone. Imagine if a soccer or rugby player came out with an interview like that. An ass.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on September 04, 2016, 10:14:18 PM
Tipp were deffo 9 or 10 points better. However had they been only 4 or 5 points better it would have been a toss up as to who won. This past few years Kilkenny have managed to eke out wins when they've kept within range.
Looking at the amount of ball Tipp won close to the goals in the first half, they could have developed a world of goal scoring opportunities had the first receiver not opted to point on sight instead of holding it up for a runner. Part of their path to victory was the realisation that Kilkenny didn't need to be shown such respect.
For Kilkenny, this defeat for has resonance with their 2004 and 2010 All Ireland defeats. On both days they got wiped out in the last 20 minutes and looked jaded. On both occasions, Cody looked bereft of game changing ideas on the sideline also.
Both times it felt like the end of the era, but each time Cody came back with revitalised teams and some tactical refinements. This time he doesn't have the same material to work with though. Kilkenny don't have any all time greats on their team any more. Their underage hasn't been exceptional for a long time either.
Once other counties start to sense a dip in Kilkenny's supremacy, they'll all be extra geed up to have a cut at them. Right now Clare and Waterford probably have better players than Kilkenny. Once they start hurling the 15 Kilkenny men in front of them and not the aura that Cody created, Kilkenny may not have cause to block book the hotels for the first Sunday in September.
2013 was quite significant. KK have been reducing the percentages since 2012 . I think the gap between them and the rest has been reducing Reminds me of Man Utd at the end of Fergie time
Lovely quote in the IT
They were great on other days, just not here. That being the case, Tipperary could pay them no greater tribute than the walloping they gave them.
Back down last night after a marathon 3 day sports weekend. No drink yesterday as I was with the little man for his first successful All Ireland. It's brilliant to see the excitement, and see it through his eyes for the first time. He was nearly 4 in 2010 so doesn't really remember it, but he'll remember this one. A double bonus is that his teacher this year is Niall O'Meara, so you'd imagine there'll be a couple of good days soon.
I said since the start of this year that Tipp were as close as anyone to having Kilkenny's number. Apart from the Lar Corbett fiasco, I can't remember Kilkenny blowing Tipp away too often. Their big problem was those periods where they went out of games, and their half forward line went missing. Yesterday the opportunity for that was there, after the Kilkenny goal, but Tipp refused and they were back up by a point a few minutes later, before Bubbles' goal. Tipp probably butchered two or three other opportunities when the wrong option was taken for a goal chance, and this could have been a shellacking similar to the Munster final.
Delighted for them, and it was great to see the serious excitement in the stands and on the field. It just makes me pine for the good old days of the 90s, but at least my son has started his own memory collection.
Well done to the minors as well. It's ironic that the lad who got man of the match actually played with the footballers early in the year! That wasn't Tipp's best minor performance though, and I thought they were lucky enough that they were just a superior outfit in general. Their first touch and shooting needs continued work, but I suppose that's the great thing about minors.
Hon Tipp. (For the day that's in it!)
Cannot think off hand of one KK player who got the better of his marker. Maybe two or three shaded it but that is at a push.
Plenty of AIs there for Tipperary to pick off over the next few years if they can break a habit of generations and kick on .
Would think there are plenty of KK subs very disappointed today at not getting a run yesterday.
Excellent performance from Tipperary as a whole.
Imagine scoring 2.20 in a football match and getting beaten. Wouldn't happen. Whilst I was rooting for the cats I wouldn't begrudge Tipp what was a hard earned victory over a superb bunch of men. I thought that whilst Callinan was MOM on the back of his scoring threat, the real bed rock of this victory was the Tipp defence and their intensity, tackling and distribution. I don't agree that it was a poor final, it wasn't so close in the end, but 70 plus minutes without a yellow card in sight and no sledging, pulling or sly digs. And fair play to Maher he acknowledged the enhanced value of winning the AI by beating Kilkenny.
Think most who attended it (myself included) would agree that it wasn't at all a bad match. Maybe it didn't come across as well on TV.
Quote from: Applesisapples on September 05, 2016, 10:44:27 AM
Imagine scoring 2.20 in a football match and getting beaten. Wouldn't happen. Whilst I was rooting for the cats I wouldn't begrudge Tipp what was a hard earned victory over a superb bunch of men. I thought that whilst Callinan was MOM on the back of his scoring threat, the real bed rock of this victory was the Tipp defence and their intensity, tackling and distribution. I don't agree that it was a poor final, it wasn't so close in the end, but 70 plus minutes without a yellow card in sight and no sledging, pulling or sly digs. And fair play to Maher he acknowledged the enhanced value of winning the AI by beating Kilkenny.
Big Walter should have got a yellow early on for the frontal shoulder but Brian Gavin was using the Tommy Carr rule book where you shouldn't book anyone early on as that would be ruining the game.
Brian is like that, so he is and the Tipp lad bounced back up without any handbags thrown around.
Quote from: moysider on September 05, 2016, 12:57:29 AM
Quote from: ashman on September 04, 2016, 05:29:39 PM
Imagine if a Tyrone player cursed like that on live TV. 😃
It was awful.
Never mind Tyrone. Imagine if a soccer or rugby player came out with an interview like that. An ass.
Agree. Cursing on live TV is shocking.
Kennedy was the best Tipp player through the Munster final, semi and final.
Very, very good
Are Galway now the second best team in Ireland?
Tipp waltzed through Munster, no one laid a glove on them and were the better team for most of the game yesterday with only Galway giving them their fill of it for the better part of 70 minutes!!
Quote from: johnneycool on September 05, 2016, 04:43:30 PM
Are Galway now the second best team in Ireland?
Tipp waltzed through Munster, no one laid a glove on them and were the better team for most of the game yesterday with only Galway giving them their fill of it for the better part of 70 minutes!!
No just because we lost to Kilkenny already even though I think Kilkenny were in a better state then than the Michael Fennelly less version that turned up in the final. Plus I think having to go to the well twice against Waterford really did take something out of them. We just seem to match up well against Tipp and have zero hang ups about playing them whereas while we generally give Kilkenny plenty of it we haven't been able to finish them off in a match since the 2012 Leinster final. Since then there's been draws and long periods in games where we're on top of them but just can't drive the stake through their hearts. I think that does pray on the players minds no matter what. A bit of frustration in that only for the double injury blow before half-time in the semi I'm fairly confident we would have beaten Tipp. I don't think we'd have beaten Kilkenny in the final though without a fit Joe Canning. Not to mention Conor Whelan is also out after injuring himself in the U-21 semi.
I'm not even sure that Tipp played much better yesterday than they did in 2014 to be honest. Kilkenny have definitely come back towards the pack though. They were springing leaks everywhere yesterday and Cody barely even looked at his bench for an answer.
I attended yesterdays All Ireland final an enjoyable game played in ideal weather conditions and where the better team on the day won comfortably. For the game to be a classic it think it would need a Kilkenny comeback from the dead in the final 10 mins. Atmosphere wise Tipperary were in their best voice the roof nearly came off of the hogan stand when that second Tipperary goal was scored. Tipperary outnumbered Kilkenny in support must have been 60/40 in their favour the Kilkenny support was very mute yesterday maybe because they were in shock when their team was so outplayed on the field?
I stayed on to see lap of honour but by then there was less than 30,000 in the stadium a far cry from the old days when the majority of supporters would have stayed on.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 05, 2016, 04:58:20 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 05, 2016, 04:43:30 PM
Are Galway now the second best team in Ireland?
Tipp waltzed through Munster, no one laid a glove on them and were the better team for most of the game yesterday with only Galway giving them their fill of it for the better part of 70 minutes!!
No just because we lost to Kilkenny already even though I think Kilkenny were in a better state then than the Michael Fennelly less version that turned up in the final. Plus I think having to go to the well twice against Waterford really did take something out of them. We just seem to match up well against Tipp and have zero hang ups about playing them whereas while we generally give Kilkenny plenty of it we haven't been able to finish them off in a match since the 2012 Leinster final. Since then there's been draws and long periods in games where we're on top of them but just can't drive the stake through their hearts. I think that does pray on the players minds no matter what. A bit of frustration in that only for the double injury blow before half-time in the semi I'm fairly confident we would have beaten Tipp. I don't think we'd have beaten Kilkenny in the final though without a fit Joe Canning. Not to mention Conor Whelan is also out after injuring himself in the U-21 semi.
I'm not even sure that Tipp played much better yesterday than they did in 2014 to be honest. Kilkenny have definitely come back towards the pack though. They were springing leaks everywhere yesterday and Cody barely even looked at his bench for an answer.
I think it wasn't a bad season for Galway. There is very little between us and Tipp and Kilkenny are not as good as they were.
The stability since 2011 is paying off. Previous years after all Ireland finals were disastrous but this year was different. I think we should win within the next 3 years.
Galway match up well with Tipp. Galway are not far away. It should be exciting next year with Waterford, Galway and maybe even Clare joining Tipp and Kilkenny.
I heard that Joe Canning has pulled the hamstring off his bone, which is a horrible injury. Best wishes to him, I'd love to see him win an All Ireland.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 05, 2016, 04:58:20 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 05, 2016, 04:43:30 PM
Are Galway now the second best team in Ireland?
Tipp waltzed through Munster, no one laid a glove on them and were the better team for most of the game yesterday with only Galway giving them their fill of it for the better part of 70 minutes!!
No just because we lost to Kilkenny already even though I think Kilkenny were in a better state then than the Michael Fennelly less version that turned up in the final. Plus I think having to go to the well twice against Waterford really did take something out of them. We just seem to match up well against Tipp and have zero hang ups about playing them whereas while we generally give Kilkenny plenty of it we haven't been able to finish them off in a match since the 2012 Leinster final. Since then there's been draws and long periods in games where we're on top of them but just can't drive the stake through their hearts. I think that does pray on the players minds no matter what. A bit of frustration in that only for the double injury blow before half-time in the semi I'm fairly confident we would have beaten Tipp. I don't think we'd have beaten Kilkenny in the final though without a fit Joe Canning. Not to mention Conor Whelan is also out after injuring himself in the U-21 semi.
I'm not even sure that Tipp played much better yesterday than they did in 2014 to be honest. Kilkenny have definitely come back towards the pack though. They were springing leaks everywhere yesterday and Cody barely even looked at his bench for an answer.
I was just being a bollox, but you're right, I think the leaders on this Kilkenny team have went to the well far too often and the Waterford games had them to the pin of their collar for the full 140 minutes and on Sunday Paul Murphy, TJ Reid, Richie Hogan and Larkin had nothing left in them to give.
Will Cody stay on for another rebuild or move on with his legacy still intact?
Kk have been in decline for 5 years or so now . The players leaving are being replaced by inferior players . Over those years none of the contenders we good enough to really do a number on them. Since 2011 only Cork knocked them out until last Sunday .
Quote from: ashman on September 06, 2016, 02:12:48 PM
Kk have been in decline for 5 years or so now . The players leaving are being replaced by inferior players . Over those years none of the contenders we good enough to really do a number on them. Since 2011 only Cork knocked them out until last Sunday .
they've won 4 titles since 2011, hardly a team team in decline
They have been in decline since 2012 . Just that the other teams also regressed over this period. Over the last 3 years their defence has lost Tommy Walsh ; JJ , Brian Hogan a
Noel Hickey and Mike Kavanagh . The replacements bar Paul Murphy have all been decent but not as good as who they replaced . This year they lost Richie Power , last year Shefflin. They have done brilliant but they are not at the level of 2007 - 2010 imho .
Quote from: Canalman on September 05, 2016, 10:42:09 AM
Cannot think off hand of one KK player who got the better of his marker. Maybe two or three shaded it but that is at a push.
Plenty of AIs there for Tipperary to pick off over the next few years if they can break a habit of generations and kick on .
Would think there are plenty of KK subs very disappointed today at not getting a run yesterday.
Excellent performance from Tipperary as a whole.
This was touted on the Sunday game as well but for the life of me I cant think of them. Any help?
Conor Fogarty probably got the better of Michael Breen, but I'm not sure they were in direct opposition. Kevin Kelly did reasonably well, but Mickey Cahill still probably came out on top in general play. No, Fogarty is probably the only one I can think of.
He may have been told to stop Breen as he was seen as the power player for Tipp in midfield, but the net result of that man marking job was that the full back line was left isolated.
Quote from: theskull1 on September 06, 2016, 04:44:28 PM
He may have been told to stop Breen as he was seen as the power player for Tipp in midfield, but the net result of that man marking job was that the full back line was left isolated.
How do you make that out? Fogarty should have been centre back? The Tipp half forwards pulled out the pitch, and the delivery in was great. That was what isolated the KK full back line. Maybe if Fogarty was centre back, or deployed as a deep lying midfielder it may have made a bit of difference, but I think the movement was so good, and the Tipp half back line was so good with their delivery in, that it probably didn't make a huge difference.
Fogarty and Fennelly were typically to be seen thickening out their full back line and snuffing out threats in front of goal. I thought it noticable myself that he was rarely in there an any stage to do that on Sunday. Its possible the quicker delivery was the difference, but maybe he was given a man marking job and Breen was told to give the inside line more space and Fogarty stayed with him ... I dunno
We can look at picking holes in Kilkennys poor play, lack of threat up front and possible fatigue.... But 15 minutes into the second half there was nothing in it and Kilkenny were living off scraps..
TJ and Hogan both had poor games again but managed the bulk of the Cats scores, if Kilkenny had another outlet on Sunday the game would have been a lot closer, Bubbles goal for me was soft and the amount of room Callaghan got was criminal!!
I think Kilkenny have issues with quality in depth but their best 15 fully fit would beat Tipp 7 times out of 10... What won it for me was when the Cats went in front Tipp found an extra gear, they managed to get their scores easier and drove on, they didn't let up, which for me has been their biggest problem
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 06, 2016, 08:38:26 PM
We can look at picking holes in Kilkennys poor play, lack of threat up front and possible fatigue.... But 15 minutes into the second half there was nothing in it and Kilkenny were living off scraps..
TJ and Hogan both had poor games again but managed the bulk of the Cats scores, if Kilkenny had another outlet on Sunday the game would have been a lot closer, Bubbles goal for me was soft and the amount of room Callaghan got was criminal!!
I think Kilkenny have issues with quality in depth but their best 15 fully fit would beat Tipp 7 times out of 10... What won it for me was when the Cats went in front Tipp found an extra gear, they managed to get their scores easier and drove on, they didn't let up, which for me has been their biggest problem
Doubt Kilkenny would beat Tipp 7/10 times
Quote from: johnneycool on September 06, 2016, 12:52:26 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 05, 2016, 04:58:20 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 05, 2016, 04:43:30 PM
Are Galway now the second best team in Ireland?
Tipp waltzed through Munster, no one laid a glove on them and were the better team for most of the game yesterday with only Galway giving them their fill of it for the better part of 70 minutes!!
No just because we lost to Kilkenny already even though I think Kilkenny were in a better state then than the Michael Fennelly less version that turned up in the final. Plus I think having to go to the well twice against Waterford really did take something out of them. We just seem to match up well against Tipp and have zero hang ups about playing them whereas while we generally give Kilkenny plenty of it we haven't been able to finish them off in a match since the 2012 Leinster final. Since then there's been draws and long periods in games where we're on top of them but just can't drive the stake through their hearts. I think that does pray on the players minds no matter what. A bit of frustration in that only for the double injury blow before half-time in the semi I'm fairly confident we would have beaten Tipp. I don't think we'd have beaten Kilkenny in the final though without a fit Joe Canning. Not to mention Conor Whelan is also out after injuring himself in the U-21 semi.
I'm not even sure that Tipp played much better yesterday than they did in 2014 to be honest. Kilkenny have definitely come back towards the pack though. They were springing leaks everywhere yesterday and Cody barely even looked at his bench for an answer.
I was just being a bollox, but you're right, I think the leaders on this Kilkenny team have went to the well far too often and the Waterford games had them to the pin of their collar for the full 140 minutes and on Sunday Paul Murphy, TJ Reid, Richie Hogan and Larkin had nothing left in them to give.
Will Cody stay on for another rebuild or move on with his legacy still intact?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hat1Hc9SNwE
It would be good for hurling if they went into a managed decline for a few years.
Cody is a great bunch of lads but it is time for others to take over and move the game in a different direction.
Monoculture is very dull after a while.
Quote from: Minder on September 06, 2016, 09:06:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 06, 2016, 08:38:26 PM
We can look at picking holes in Kilkennys poor play, lack of threat up front and possible fatigue.... But 15 minutes into the second half there was nothing in it and Kilkenny were living off scraps..
TJ and Hogan both had poor games again but managed the bulk of the Cats scores, if Kilkenny had another outlet on Sunday the game would have been a lot closer, Bubbles goal for me was soft and the amount of room Callaghan got was criminal!!
I think Kilkenny have issues with quality in depth but their best 15 fully fit would beat Tipp 7 times out of 10... What won it for me was when the Cats went in front Tipp found an extra gear, they managed to get their scores easier and drove on, they didn't let up, which for me has been their biggest problem
Doubt Kilkenny would beat Tipp 7/10 times
This is the same Tipp who Kilkenny have beaten so many times since losing against them in that Lar Corbet three goal thriller.. And the same Tipp that under perform every rim after winning an All Ireland
Each time Kilkenny get bate everyone writes them off... Time will tell I suppose, but they have the history of dusting themselves down and reinvent themselves !
It's not the same Tipp team though. And it's not the same Kilkenny team, mores to the point. It was fairly evident the last day that Tipp were better, man for man, in most positions. It was also obvious that Kilkenny's bench was sparse to say the least.
Now I'm not writing off Kilkenny, I'm sure they'll be back. I'm also not sure that Tipp will win next years All Ireland. But if they don't, Waterford or Galway will pose as big a threat to them as Kilkenny.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/kilkenny-finally-vulnerable-don-t-say-it-out-loud-but-it-could-be-true-1.2781937
http://montonra.tripod.com/
In my opinion Kilkenny have been consistently good over the last 15 years. At times other teams have come to the fore in a given year, and taken the cup, Clare or example. Proof of any decline will only come next year and the year after. It is good for Hurling though that others get their time in the sun.
Eamon O Shea gave one of the great speeches after 2014.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/this-team-will-win-allirelands-30621132.html
"I do think there are more important things (than winning). They are men who fought the battle to the end. Things did not go our way and yet the team kept going. And that is my understanding of sport and what it's about. Sometimes you don't always win. The way Tipp play now, we try until it's no longer possible. I am shattered we did not win. But it does not take anything from what was a supreme effort."
Quote from: seafoid on September 07, 2016, 09:17:33 PM
Eamon O Shea gave one of the great speeches after 2014.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/this-team-will-win-allirelands-30621132.html
"I do think there are more important things (than winning). They are men who fought the battle to the end. Things did not go our way and yet the team kept going. And that is my understanding of sport and what it's about. Sometimes you don't always win. The way Tipp play now, we try until it's no longer possible. I am shattered we did not win. But it does not take anything from what was a supreme effort."
I think EOS did a few coaching sessions with the forwards in the last month.
He did one on ones with Callanan anyway. Focused on movement and creating space for himself.
It is nice to see the cats being hammered.
. In an interview after the 2009 All-Ireland triumph against Tipperary, which made Kilkenny the first county in 65 years to record a four-in-a-row, Cody was asked – entirely reasonably – by RTÉ's Marty Morrissey for his views on the controversial late penalty that had turned the match.
The Kilkenny manager replied that you'd be busy if you decided to readjudicate all of the frees in a match. There followed: "Did you think yourself it was a penalty, Marty?"
"I wasn't too sure but it did seem a little bit dodgy in the replay."
"I have no idea, Marty. Did you check all the other frees as well to see were they dodgy? [Uneasy laughter] Maybe you should. Maybe you should."
I remember that. He made Marty fairly uncomfortable alright.
Quote from: seafoid on September 08, 2016, 09:47:24 AM
It is nice to see the cats being hammered.
. In an interview after the 2009 All-Ireland triumph against Tipperary, which made Kilkenny the first county in 65 years to record a four-in-a-row, Cody was asked – entirely reasonably – by RTÉ's Marty Morrissey for his views on the controversial late penalty that had turned the match.
The Kilkenny manager replied that you'd be busy if you decided to readjudicate all of the frees in a match. There followed: "Did you think yourself it was a penalty, Marty?"
"I wasn't too sure but it did seem a little bit dodgy in the replay."
"I have no idea, Marty. Did you check all the other frees as well to see were they dodgy? [Uneasy laughter] Maybe you should. Maybe you should."
a entirely reasonable reply to I would have thought, no?
Quote from: seafoid on September 08, 2016, 09:47:24 AM
It is nice to see the cats being hammered.
. In an interview after the 2009 All-Ireland triumph against Tipperary, which made Kilkenny the first county in 65 years to record a four-in-a-row, Cody was asked – entirely reasonably – by RTÉ's Marty Morrissey for his views on the controversial late penalty that had turned the match.
The Kilkenny manager replied that you'd be busy if you decided to readjudicate all of the frees in a match. There followed: "Did you think yourself it was a penalty, Marty?"
"I wasn't too sure but it did seem a little bit dodgy in the replay."
"I have no idea, Marty. Did you check all the other frees as well to see were they dodgy? [Uneasy laughter] Maybe you should. Maybe you should."
No harm that someone put Morrissey in his place.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 08, 2016, 09:55:44 AM
I remember that. He made Marty fairly uncomfortable alright.
Ger lock in the studio after " will someone pick Marty off the ground !!!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 08, 2016, 01:39:14 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 08, 2016, 09:47:24 AM
It is nice to see the cats being hammered.
. In an interview after the 2009 All-Ireland triumph against Tipperary, which made Kilkenny the first county in 65 years to record a four-in-a-row, Cody was asked – entirely reasonably – by RTÉ's Marty Morrissey for his views on the controversial late penalty that had turned the match.
The Kilkenny manager replied that you'd be busy if you decided to readjudicate all of the frees in a match. There followed: "Did you think yourself it was a penalty, Marty?"
"I wasn't too sure but it did seem a little bit dodgy in the replay."
"I have no idea, Marty. Did you check all the other frees as well to see were they dodgy? [Uneasy laughter] Maybe you should. Maybe you should."
a entirely reasonable reply to I would have thought, no?
I would have said it was reasonable too, until the last couple of years when he started readjudicating frees himself in the media and intimidating refs at the half-time break, when he wasn't pleased with their first half performance(v Galway AIF 2015 & v Waterford AI SF replay this year).
Quote from: Asal Mor on September 11, 2016, 12:04:24 PM
I would have said it was reasonable too, until the last couple of years when he started readjudicating frees himself in the media and intimidating refs at the half-time break, when he wasn't pleased with their first half performance(v Galway AIF 2015 & v Waterford AI SF replay this year).
Cody has always been capable of intimidating refs during games.
Remember vs. Galway in 2004 with Diarmuid Kirwan where Cody basically reffed the game himself from 5 metres inside the sideline.
John McIntyre is also on record as saying that in 2007 when Offaly were surprisingly neck and neck with Kilkenny at half time, Cody and Kilkenny chairman Ned Quinn cornered the ref at the interval and read him the riot act about giving too many frees to Offaly.
I think he bought a new grudge server this year to store everything in
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/cody-puts-referee-kelly-and-former-kilkenny-greats-in-his-crosshairs-289094.html
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on September 12, 2016, 04:26:45 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on September 11, 2016, 12:04:24 PM
I would have said it was reasonable too, until the last couple of years when he started readjudicating frees himself in the media and intimidating refs at the half-time break, when he wasn't pleased with their first half performance(v Galway AIF 2015 & v Waterford AI SF replay this year).
Cody has always been capable of intimidating refs during games.
Remember vs. Galway in 2004 with Diarmuid Kirwan where Cody basically reffed the game himself from 5 metres inside the sideline.
John McIntyre is also on record as saying that in 2007 when Offaly were surprisingly neck and neck with Kilkenny at half time, Cody and Kilkenny chairman Ned Quinn cornered the ref at the interval and read him the riot act about giving too many frees to Offaly.
I hadn't heard about '07 but it's a move that has worked for them on a few occasions. Certainly in the '15 final Galway got nothing in the second half, until the last few minutes when the game was done as a contest.
I was drunk in '04. Cody could have actually reffed the game and I wouldn't have noticed.
Quote from: seafoid on September 12, 2016, 06:42:37 PM
I think he bought a new grudge server this year to store everything in
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/cody-puts-referee-kelly-and-former-kilkenny-greats-in-his-crosshairs-289094.html
I still think Kelly was right to give that free to Tipp. I thought Hogan charged into the Tipp fella.