From sledging to hair ruffling, from diving for frees/penalties to professional fouls, to the ridiculous sight of hurlers shouldering each other like horny bullocks fighting for no purpose at all, when the ball isn't even in play.......
Why do we see so much of it?
Why do so many people accept it as 'part of the game'?
I don't want to point the finger at particular players or incidents. As far as I can see, every team has some players who get involved to some degree. I am more interested in why match officials do nothing about it, why pundits in the main ignore it and why the GAA top brass fail to deal with it.
It looks terrible, it annoys the crowd no end and sets a terrible example for kids who mimic their heroes week in week out. It can turn a wonderful spectacle into an eye-sore and ruin the enjoyment for many. So why do we put up with it?
Tackling is a mess. Reffing is amateur. Refs overloaded. No TV input for big games that hinge on moments. Very like financial regulation.
When someone else gets involved in playacting it's cheating, when your own team does it, it's establishing a competitive advantage. Michael Owen and Wayne Rooney were at it for years and were rarely called out by English commentators who believed it was the scourge of Johnny Foreigner. Tyrone are experts at it and it has been very a successful weapon in their arsenal so they aren't going to stop it. It won't disappear so there have to be severe retrospective penalties imposed.
Quote from: muppet on July 18, 2016, 01:05:11 PM
From sledging to hair ruffling, from diving for frees/penalties to professional fouls, to the ridiculous sight of hurlers shouldering each other like horny bullocks fighting for no purpose at all, when the ball isn't even in play.......
Why do we see so much of it?
Why do so many people accept it as 'part of the game'?
I don't want to point the finger at particular players or incidents. As far as I can see, every team has some players who get involved to some degree. I am more interested in why match officials do nothing about it, why pundits in the main ignore it and why the GAA top brass fail to deal with it.
It looks terrible, it annoys the crowd no end and sets a terrible example for kids who mimic their heroes week in week out. It can turn a wonderful spectacle into an eye-sore and ruin the enjoyment for many. So why do we put up with it?
Because Tyrone.
The US has its gun control and cop murder issues, France has its Jihadism issues and we've our bad sportsmanship and defense minded tactics in the GAA.
Quote from: muppet on July 18, 2016, 01:05:11 PM
From sledging to hair ruffling, from diving for frees/penalties to professional fouls, to the ridiculous sight of hurlers shouldering each other like horny bullocks fighting for no purpose at all, when the ball isn't even in play.......
Why do we see so much of it?
Why do so many people accept it as 'part of the game'?
I don't want to point the finger at particular players or incidents. As far as I can see, every team has some players who get involved to some degree. I am more interested in why match officials do nothing about it, why pundits in the main ignore it and why the GAA top brass fail to deal with it.
It looks terrible, it annoys the crowd no end and sets a terrible example for kids who mimic their heroes week in week out. It can turn a wonderful spectacle into an eye-sore and ruin the enjoyment for many. So why do we put up with it?
Interesting questions and ones I've wondered about. Why is diving the worst crime imaginable in sport in this part of the world but a tug on the jersey isn't?
I think, in the case I've mentioned, it's because diving is seen as the antithesis of manliness. Only a big girl's blouse would lower themselves to it. Fouling is just boys getting stuck into each other. In soccer in the likes of Spain and Portugal it's probably seen as the other way around. Culture I suppose is the short answer.
Some people will argue "what's the harm in a bit of row or shouldering each other for no reason?" and in some ways they have a point. Not everyone necessarily thinks it's an eye sore. They see it as a battle and part of that battle is letting your man know you're there.
I'm with you though, I think it makes us look like cave men.
Quote from: blanketattack on July 18, 2016, 02:25:49 PM
The US has its gun control and cop murder issues, France has its Jihadism issues and we've our bad sportsmanship and defense minded tactics in the GAA.
Yes, because that is a valid comparison.
Quote from: Esmarelda on July 18, 2016, 02:37:57 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 18, 2016, 01:05:11 PM
From sledging to hair ruffling, from diving for frees/penalties to professional fouls, to the ridiculous sight of hurlers shouldering each other like horny bullocks fighting for no purpose at all, when the ball isn't even in play.......
Why do we see so much of it?
Why do so many people accept it as 'part of the game'?
I don't want to point the finger at particular players or incidents. As far as I can see, every team has some players who get involved to some degree. I am more interested in why match officials do nothing about it, why pundits in the main ignore it and why the GAA top brass fail to deal with it.
It looks terrible, it annoys the crowd no end and sets a terrible example for kids who mimic their heroes week in week out. It can turn a wonderful spectacle into an eye-sore and ruin the enjoyment for many. So why do we put up with it?
Interesting questions and ones I've wondered about. Why is diving the worst crime imaginable in sport in this part of the world but a tug on the jersey isn't?
I think, in the case I've mentioned, it's because diving is seen as the antithesis of manliness. Only a big girl's blouse would lower themselves to it. Fouling is just boys getting stuck into each other. In soccer in the likes of Spain and Portugal it's probably seen as the other way around. Culture I suppose is the short answer.
Some people will argue "what's the harm in a bit of row or shouldering each other for no reason?" and in some ways they have a point. Not everyone necessarily thinks it's an eye sore. They see it as a battle and part of that battle is letting your man know you're there.
I'm with you though, I think it makes us look like cave men.
Is claiming a sideline ball when you know you played it last any different to diving for a free? Not in my view?
Quote from: TabClear on July 18, 2016, 02:51:30 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on July 18, 2016, 02:37:57 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 18, 2016, 01:05:11 PM
From sledging to hair ruffling, from diving for frees/penalties to professional fouls, to the ridiculous sight of hurlers shouldering each other like horny bullocks fighting for no purpose at all, when the ball isn't even in play.......
Why do we see so much of it?
Why do so many people accept it as 'part of the game'?
I don't want to point the finger at particular players or incidents. As far as I can see, every team has some players who get involved to some degree. I am more interested in why match officials do nothing about it, why pundits in the main ignore it and why the GAA top brass fail to deal with it.
It looks terrible, it annoys the crowd no end and sets a terrible example for kids who mimic their heroes week in week out. It can turn a wonderful spectacle into an eye-sore and ruin the enjoyment for many. So why do we put up with it?
Interesting questions and ones I've wondered about. Why is diving the worst crime imaginable in sport in this part of the world but a tug on the jersey isn't?
I think, in the case I've mentioned, it's because diving is seen as the antithesis of manliness. Only a big girl's blouse would lower themselves to it. Fouling is just boys getting stuck into each other. In soccer in the likes of Spain and Portugal it's probably seen as the other way around. Culture I suppose is the short answer.
Some people will argue "what's the harm in a bit of row or shouldering each other for no reason?" and in some ways they have a point. Not everyone necessarily thinks it's an eye sore. They see it as a battle and part of that battle is letting your man know you're there.
I'm with you though, I think it makes us look like cave men.
Is claiming a sideline ball when you know you played it last any different to diving for a free? Not in my view?
Nor mine.
Quote from: TabClear on July 18, 2016, 02:51:30 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on July 18, 2016, 02:37:57 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 18, 2016, 01:05:11 PM
From sledging to hair ruffling, from diving for frees/penalties to professional fouls, to the ridiculous sight of hurlers shouldering each other like horny bullocks fighting for no purpose at all, when the ball isn't even in play.......
Why do we see so much of it?
Why do so many people accept it as 'part of the game'?
I don't want to point the finger at particular players or incidents. As far as I can see, every team has some players who get involved to some degree. I am more interested in why match officials do nothing about it, why pundits in the main ignore it and why the GAA top brass fail to deal with it.
It looks terrible, it annoys the crowd no end and sets a terrible example for kids who mimic their heroes week in week out. It can turn a wonderful spectacle into an eye-sore and ruin the enjoyment for many. So why do we put up with it?
Interesting questions and ones I've wondered about. Why is diving the worst crime imaginable in sport in this part of the world but a tug on the jersey isn't?
I think, in the case I've mentioned, it's because diving is seen as the antithesis of manliness. Only a big girl's blouse would lower themselves to it. Fouling is just boys getting stuck into each other. In soccer in the likes of Spain and Portugal it's probably seen as the other way around. Culture I suppose is the short answer.
Some people will argue "what's the harm in a bit of row or shouldering each other for no reason?" and in some ways they have a point. Not everyone necessarily thinks it's an eye sore. They see it as a battle and part of that battle is letting your man know you're there.
I'm with you though, I think it makes us look like cave men.
Is claiming a sideline ball when you know you played it last any different to diving for a free? Not in my view?
They are both cheating and stand out if you compare with, just for example, Shane Lowry or Padraig Harrington calling a (very expensive) shot on themselves.
However most us of understand that a) these things happens in a fraction of a second and b) are not always clear cut. But sometimes it is simply cheating.
Winning is all that counts . Eg Kilkenny get away with murder. Media intervention is endemic. GAA not interested or not capable.
QuoteThey see it as a battle and part of that battle is letting your man know you're there.
This to me is what you hear from spoofer managers and maybe the dimmer footballer/hurler.
Do these lads think a GAA player mightn't know his marker is 'there'? Could you mistakenly think he has gone for a pint or something? Or a quick fag behind the dugout?
Would tennis, for example, benefit if Roger Federer jumped across the net and had a schmozzle with Nadal?
How about the Ryder Cup. Is some of the intensity lost because Seve never shoulder charged some American while walking down the fairway?
Quote from: muppet on July 18, 2016, 05:31:16 PM
QuoteThey see it as a battle and part of that battle is letting your man know you're there.
This to me is what you hear from spoofer managers and maybe the dimmer footballer/hurler.
Do these lads think a GAA player mightn't know his marker is 'there'? Could you mistakenly think he has gone for a pint or something? Or a quick fag behind the dugout?
Would tennis, for example, benefit if Roger Federer jumped across the net and had a schmozzle with Nadal?
How about the Ryder Cup. Is some of the intensity lost because Seve never shoulder charged some American while walking down the fairway?
Absolutely - I'd actually watch it them :P
Cheating is cheating, regardless of whether it's diving or pulling jersey's or claiming a sideline ball you know should go to the other team.
I see players from my own club at it all the time and it's frankly pathetic. The win at any cost mentality is lamentable. Unfortunately some people won't accept this viewpoint and believe the end justifies the means.
Quote from: muppet on July 18, 2016, 05:31:16 PM
QuoteThey see it as a battle and part of that battle is letting your man know you're there.
This to me is what you hear from spoofer managers and maybe the dimmer footballer/hurler.
Do these lads think a GAA player mightn't know his marker is 'there'? Could you mistakenly think he has gone for a pint or something? Or a quick fag behind the dugout?
Would tennis, for example, benefit if Roger Federer jumped across the net and had a schmozzle with Nadal?
How about the Ryder Cup. Is some of the intensity lost because Seve never shoulder charged some American while walking down the fairway?
You can't compare contact and non-contact sports in this way. It's like saying should we put a 40m high net along the halfway line in Thurles or give teams extra points if they manage to stick it over the bar after less than 5 passes.
No, it's really not
Other than the very clearly defined shoulder, nowhere in our rules does it say contact is permitted. The undefined term 'tackle' is open to debate on this of course.
Quote from: muppet on July 18, 2016, 06:38:53 PM
Other than the very clearly defined shoulder, nowhere in our rules does it say contact is permitted. The undefined term 'tackle' is open to debate on this of course.
Are you saying that GAA is a non-contact sport then? For a sport to be defined as a 'contact sport', does it need to state that it is so in its rulebook?
Quote from: OgraAnDun on July 18, 2016, 06:40:10 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 18, 2016, 06:38:53 PM
Other than the very clearly defined shoulder, nowhere in our rules does it say contact is permitted. The undefined term 'tackle' is open to debate on this of course.
Are you saying that GAA is a non-contact sport then? For a sport to be defined as a 'contact sport', does it need to state that it is so in its rulebook?
1) Of course not. Read what I said.
2) The permitted contact needs to be defined, otherwise a player causing an injury could be found to be liable in court if a judge thought the injury was outside the defined rules and spirit of the game.
http://www.mayonews.ie/news/26621-footballer-jailed-for-punch-during-gaelic-club-match (http://www.mayonews.ie/news/26621-footballer-jailed-for-punch-during-gaelic-club-match)
I believe the above sentence was overturned, because of new evidence. But the judge was willing send a man to jail for what is one man's violent attack, but could be another man's 'letting him know he was there'.
Quote from: muppet on July 18, 2016, 06:54:28 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on July 18, 2016, 06:40:10 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 18, 2016, 06:38:53 PM
Other than the very clearly defined shoulder, nowhere in our rules does it say contact is permitted. The undefined term 'tackle' is open to debate on this of course.
Are you saying that GAA is a non-contact sport then? For a sport to be defined as a 'contact sport', does it need to state that it is so in its rulebook?
1) Of course not. Read what I said.
2) The permitted contact needs to be defined, otherwise a player causing an injury could be found to be liable in court if a judge thought the injury was outside the defined rules and spirit of the game.
http://www.mayonews.ie/news/26621-footballer-jailed-for-punch-during-gaelic-club-match (http://www.mayonews.ie/news/26621-footballer-jailed-for-punch-during-gaelic-club-match)
I believe the above sentence was overturned, because of new evidence. But the judge was willing send a man to jail for what is one man's violent attack, but could be another man's 'letting him know he was there'.
1)If you're not trying to say it's not a contact sport, why randomly state that only the shoulder is defined in the rules?
2)We are not talking about court cases, the discussion is centered on whether having a bit of a tussle with your marker ruins the game as a spectacle, and whether golf or tennis would be improved if there were schmozzles during matches/tournaments. Comparing incidents of this nature between sports in which opponents regularly come into contact with each other and are playing the same ball in the same space, to sports which do not permit interaction among the players except in different areas of a defined pitch/court (if at all), is not a like for like comparison. In my opinion, of course.
Quote from: OgraAnDun on July 18, 2016, 07:02:20 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 18, 2016, 06:54:28 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on July 18, 2016, 06:40:10 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 18, 2016, 06:38:53 PM
Other than the very clearly defined shoulder, nowhere in our rules does it say contact is permitted. The undefined term 'tackle' is open to debate on this of course.
Are you saying that GAA is a non-contact sport then? For a sport to be defined as a 'contact sport', does it need to state that it is so in its rulebook?
1) Of course not. Read what I said.
2) The permitted contact needs to be defined, otherwise a player causing an injury could be found to be liable in court if a judge thought the injury was outside the defined rules and spirit of the game.
http://www.mayonews.ie/news/26621-footballer-jailed-for-punch-during-gaelic-club-match (http://www.mayonews.ie/news/26621-footballer-jailed-for-punch-during-gaelic-club-match)
I believe the above sentence was overturned, because of new evidence. But the judge was willing send a man to jail for what is one man's violent attack, but could be another man's 'letting him know he was there'.
1)If you're not trying to say it's not a contact sport, why randomly state that only the shoulder is defined in the rules?
2)We are not talking about court cases, the discussion is centered on whether having a bit of a tussle with your marker ruins the game as a spectacle, and whether golf or tennis would be improved if there were schmozzles during matches/tournaments. Comparing incidents of this nature between sports in which opponents regularly come into contact with each other and are playing the same ball in the same space, to sports which do not permit interaction among the players except in different areas of a defined pitch/court (if at all), is not a like for like comparison. In my opinion, of course.
1) Randomly state? I stated the facts regarding the rules of the game/ You may be aware of them. Any discussion about behaviour in the game would need to be based around the rules of the games, don't you think?
2) There is a thread here. You have completely missed the point of my tongue-in-cheek analogy and are now arguing about missing the point and pretending that nothing else was being discussed.
Quote from: muppet on July 18, 2016, 07:12:09 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on July 18, 2016, 07:02:20 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 18, 2016, 06:54:28 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on July 18, 2016, 06:40:10 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 18, 2016, 06:38:53 PM
Other than the very clearly defined shoulder, nowhere in our rules does it say contact is permitted. The undefined term 'tackle' is open to debate on this of course.
Are you saying that GAA is a non-contact sport then? For a sport to be defined as a 'contact sport', does it need to state that it is so in its rulebook?
1) Of course not. Read what I said.
2) The permitted contact needs to be defined, otherwise a player causing an injury could be found to be liable in court if a judge thought the injury was outside the defined rules and spirit of the game.
http://www.mayonews.ie/news/26621-footballer-jailed-for-punch-during-gaelic-club-match (http://www.mayonews.ie/news/26621-footballer-jailed-for-punch-during-gaelic-club-match)
I believe the above sentence was overturned, because of new evidence. But the judge was willing send a man to jail for what is one man's violent attack, but could be another man's 'letting him know he was there'.
1)If you're not trying to say it's not a contact sport, why randomly state that only the shoulder is defined in the rules?
2)We are not talking about court cases, the discussion is centered on whether having a bit of a tussle with your marker ruins the game as a spectacle, and whether golf or tennis would be improved if there were schmozzles during matches/tournaments. Comparing incidents of this nature between sports in which opponents regularly come into contact with each other and are playing the same ball in the same space, to sports which do not permit interaction among the players except in different areas of a defined pitch/court (if at all), is not a like for like comparison. In my opinion, of course.
1) Randomly state? I stated the facts regarding the rules of the game/ You may be aware of them. Any discussion about behaviour in the game would need to be based around the rules of the games, don't you think?
2) There is a thread here. You have completely missed the point of my tongue-in-cheek analogy and are now arguing about missing the point and pretending that nothing else was being discussed.
1)As you didn't quote anyone, I assumed you were replying to my post which stated that you cannot compare GAA and tennis or golf, as the GAA is a contact sport. Your response to this was to state that the shoulder is the only defined use of contact permitted in the GAA. So what? It's still a contact sport. Therefore it's irrelevant if not quite random, as it doesn't change the fact that gaelic football and hurling are contact sports.
2)I see, linking to a news article about a man being put in prison for a punch during a football match and its subsequent overturn were tongue in cheek. Clearly my tongue-in-cheek detector is a bit faulty, must be the warm weather.
Quote from: OgraAnDun on July 18, 2016, 07:17:04 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 18, 2016, 07:12:09 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on July 18, 2016, 07:02:20 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 18, 2016, 06:54:28 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on July 18, 2016, 06:40:10 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 18, 2016, 06:38:53 PM
Other than the very clearly defined shoulder, nowhere in our rules does it say contact is permitted. The undefined term 'tackle' is open to debate on this of course.
Are you saying that GAA is a non-contact sport then? For a sport to be defined as a 'contact sport', does it need to state that it is so in its rulebook?
1) Of course not. Read what I said.
2) The permitted contact needs to be defined, otherwise a player causing an injury could be found to be liable in court if a judge thought the injury was outside the defined rules and spirit of the game.
http://www.mayonews.ie/news/26621-footballer-jailed-for-punch-during-gaelic-club-match (http://www.mayonews.ie/news/26621-footballer-jailed-for-punch-during-gaelic-club-match)
I believe the above sentence was overturned, because of new evidence. But the judge was willing send a man to jail for what is one man's violent attack, but could be another man's 'letting him know he was there'.
1)If you're not trying to say it's not a contact sport, why randomly state that only the shoulder is defined in the rules?
2)We are not talking about court cases, the discussion is centered on whether having a bit of a tussle with your marker ruins the game as a spectacle, and whether golf or tennis would be improved if there were schmozzles during matches/tournaments. Comparing incidents of this nature between sports in which opponents regularly come into contact with each other and are playing the same ball in the same space, to sports which do not permit interaction among the players except in different areas of a defined pitch/court (if at all), is not a like for like comparison. In my opinion, of course.
1) Randomly state? I stated the facts regarding the rules of the game/ You may be aware of them. Any discussion about behaviour in the game would need to be based around the rules of the games, don't you think?
2) There is a thread here. You have completely missed the point of my tongue-in-cheek analogy and are now arguing about missing the point and pretending that nothing else was being discussed.
1)As you didn't quote anyone, I assumed you were replying to my post which stated that you cannot compare GAA and tennis or golf, as the GAA is a contact sport. Your response to this was to state that the shoulder is the only defined use of contact permitted in the GAA. So what? It's still a contact sport. Therefore it's irrelevant if not quite random, as it doesn't change the fact that gaelic football and hurling are contact sports.
2)I see, linking to a news article about a man being put in prison for a punch during a football match and its subsequent overturn were tongue in cheek. Clearly my tongue-in-cheek detector is a bit faulty, must be the warm weather.
The tongue-in-cheek analogy, would have been the analogy. The link to the court case would have been a link to a court case, explained by the paragraph that followed.
Back to the thread.
See the title?
See the opening post?
I thought there would be benefit from pointing out that there are no defined rules for most of what people take for granted.
Yeah I see the title and the thread, back to unsportsmanlike conduct, and while a scrap on a golf course or tennis court mightn't be a reality, I don't see there being a problem with it in the GAA. It's part of the tradition of the games and the physicality of it is what draws many people to a match, even though some won't want to admit it.
To get back on track to where the thread was, is diving worse than pulling a jersey? I believe that it is, diving (if executed properly) rewards the cheater with a free or penalty, which 9 times out of 10 will result in a score. The pulling of a jersey is not only easier to spot, but does not prevent a score 90% of the time. It's just that little bit more cynical, and some people would probably see it as cowardly. However, the time when a jersey pull is as cynical and bad as a dive, to me, is when it is one of these 'half fouls' that virtually all the top teams commit these days to prevent the opposition from gaining momentum. It's a thin line but I think there's a distinction.
Overall, I think Esmerelda sums it up, in that divers are seen as 'big girl's blouses' in GAA culture, so it is deemed as worse. It's cold blooded and overtly cynical, and people are worried that our games will turn out like soccer is these days. I don't have Sky so I don't watch a huge amount of soccer, but the amount of diving and play acting in Euro 2016, like the 2014 World Cup before it, really stood out and wound me up. It took away from the viewing spectacle and hopefully football and hurling never go that way.
Quote from: The Stallion on July 18, 2016, 06:00:37 PM
Cheating is cheating, regardless of whether it's diving or pulling jersey's or claiming a sideline ball you know should go to the other team.
I see players from my own club at it all the time and it's frankly pathetic. The win at any cost mentality is lamentable. Unfortunately some people won't accept this viewpoint and believe the end justifies the means.
I agree with The Stallion. I'm away for a lie down now :-\
Good for you Tab. I'm sure others do too, but they're too proud to admit it.
Quote from: OgraAnDun on July 18, 2016, 08:00:44 PM
Yeah I see the title and the thread, back to unsportsmanlike conduct, and while a scrap on a golf course or tennis court mightn't be a reality, I don't see there being a problem with it in the GAA. It's part of the tradition of the games and the physicality of it is what draws many people to a match, even though some won't want to admit it.
To get back on track to where the thread was, is diving worse than pulling a jersey? I believe that it is, diving (if executed properly) rewards the cheater with a free or penalty, which 9 times out of 10 will result in a score. The pulling of a jersey is not only easier to spot, but does not prevent a score 90% of the time. It's just that little bit more cynical, and some people would probably see it as cowardly. However, the time when a jersey pull is as cynical and bad as a dive, to me, is when it is one of these 'half fouls' that virtually all the top teams commit these days to prevent the opposition from gaining momentum. It's a thin line but I think there's a distinction.
Overall, I think Esmerelda sums it up, in that divers are seen as 'big girl's blouses' in GAA culture, so it is deemed as worse. It's cold blooded and overtly cynical, and people are worried that our games will turn out like soccer is these days. I don't have Sky so I don't watch a huge amount of soccer, but the amount of diving and play acting in Euro 2016, like the 2014 World Cup before it, really stood out and wound me up. It took away from the viewing spectacle and hopefully football and hurling never go that way.
I agree with your post, in the main, but I think we are well down that road already.
In the first minute yesterday, a footballer I have long admired and great time for, tried to draw the linesman's attention to a reaction he had tried to provoke himself, but which never came. I had planned to watch this player for a while to see if I could understand how he influenced games so much. I was disappointed to say the least, but that goes on all over the pitch and with all teams.
In fact, when we get outraged at one incident, we are almost cheating ourselves as we know everyone else is doing it anyway.
I think the wider culture is too tolerant of cheating. Look at the way the mobile licence was auctioned back in the day or the treatment of bankers post 2008.
Why can't the association have a video judge for big matches ? Louth lost a Leinster in 2010. Cavanagh rugby tackled to deny Monaghan a win whenever . Anytime Kilkenny do something dark Eddie Keher is rentagob. Nobody remembers the losers . Imagine what 10 year olds think.
I think this all stems from the GAA reaching out into new areas and the subsequent undesirables starting to play the sport and bringing their uncouth mannerisms on to our hallowed pitches
It all started when them soccer players started playing the sport
After that you had city boys playing the sport
Then country people started moving into the towns and cities and picking up their ways
Then the GAA started to get housing estate youth involved in the sport
Then came the NI police and the British army
Then they let those other sports be played in Croke Park.
Its no great mystery, rewind a few of these things instead of making up new rules.
Anyone involved in the GAA should at the very least belong to a family that has a herd book, then this disgraceful behavior would be put to a stop.
The day of the cork player hitting Paidi O`Se a fair dig and O`Se lamping him and the ref telling both them to get up are long over, managers encourage players to dive, cheat, deceive the ref, anything to gain a advantage, supporters seems happy with this line as long as their team progress, playing with style, honour and within the rules are long gone in football. The reason there wasn't as much mouthing years ago was the real threat of some player tearing the head of you if u mouthing went south,
A O`Se, T McCann,D Connolly, McGee`s, actions in recent years bring the game into disrepute, but no-one cares as long as we winning, the amateur ethos of the GAA are long gone and the win at all cost by professionally paid managers is the biggest issue with the GAA.
Dublin fisting pumping, caused embarrassment for a few years to the proper manager took it to task and its now non-existent, the same problems with current players could be addressed by their managers if they wished it
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 20, 2016, 12:29:52 AM
The day of the cork player hitting Paidi O`Se a fair dig and O`Se lamping him and the ref telling both them to get up are long over, managers encourage players to dive, cheat, deceive the ref, anything to gain a advantage, supporters seems happy with this line as long as their team progress, playing with style, honour and within the rules are long gone in football. The reason there wasn't as much mouthing years ago was the real threat of some player tearing the head of you if u mouthing went south,
A O`Se, T McCann,D Connolly, McGee`s, actions in recent years bring the game into disrepute, but no-one cares as long as we winning, the amateur ethos of the GAA are long gone and the win at all cost by professionally paid managers is the biggest issue with the GAA.
Dublin fisting pumping, caused embarrassment for a few years to the proper manager took it to task and its now non-existent, the same problems with current players could be addressed by their managers if they wished it
100%
Agree also, another point which wasn't made much of in the media that a player while on the ground was kicked in the head in the Dublin v Meath match, a very serious and dangerous incident and nothing said nor done about it, if it was a Tyrone or Dublin player who did it, there would be a Turkish style Coup at Croke park demanding lynchings.
Quote from: seafoid on July 18, 2016, 01:16:56 PM
Tackling is a mess. Reffing is amateur. Refs overloaded. No TV input for big games that hinge on moments. Very like financial regulation.
sure they got rid of the best referee in Cormac Reilly. Always let game flow and applied common sense even mayo followers werent happy with performance in limerick. i thought he got the big calls right
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 20, 2016, 12:29:52 AM
The day of the cork player hitting Paidi O`Se a fair dig and O`Se lamping him and the ref telling both them to get up are long over, managers encourage players to dive, cheat, deceive the ref, anything to gain a advantage, supporters seems happy with this line as long as their team progress, playing with style, honour and within the rules are long gone in football. The reason there wasn't as much mouthing years ago was the real threat of some player tearing the head of you if u mouthing went south,
A O`Se, T McCann,D Connolly, McGee`s, actions in recent years bring the game into disrepute, but no-one cares as long as we winning, the amateur ethos of the GAA are long gone and the win at all cost by professionally paid managers is the biggest issue with the GAA.
Dublin fisting pumping, caused embarrassment for a few years to the proper manager took it to task and its now non-existent, the same problems with current players could be addressed by their managers if they wished it
I agree 100% but he reason i would suspect is Paudie would probably get 6 month ban for his actions now even though dinny allen started it . i suspect even paudi would go down now rather than risk that and dinny allen could feck off back to Cork hibs/united/celtic/bohemians /alberts/fordsons/FC or which ever Tax dodging team he came from