All-Ireland Hurling Championship Qualifiers Round 1:
Wexford v Offaly
Westmeath v Limerick
Clare v Laois
Cork v Dublin
Two toughies to call in there. Will the home venue swing it the way of Wexford and Cork?
Hard not to see Clare and Limerick not continuing.
Offaly did beat Wexford by 8 points down there in the league, but it's not a ground we ever loved going to. Limerick would want to be careful in Mullingar. That's exactly the sort of draw Westmeath would have wanted. Can't see Laois getting anything other than a scutching and a cup of tea in Ennis. Dublin and Cork could be very interesting. I'm not impressed with Dublin's hurling this year, it's very sloppy, but Cork's was even worse in any of the games I saw them. Where will this game be? They'll hardly have it in Pairc Ui Rinn will they?
It'll have to be Pairc Ui Rinn. It's home ties for this stage of qualifiers and Pairc Ui Rinn can probably hold 15000 or so which should be adequate for this game. Dublin fans don't travel in big numbers for hurling anyway and with Cork's form this year won't be huge demand from them either.
Cork v Wexford
Clare v Limerick
Cork getting a pretty favourable draw to get a bit of confidence under their belt, I can see them beat Wexford, but that's their summer over unless Lehane and Harnedy can somehow propel them to greater feats after this. Wexford aren't progressing as they were two years ago, a bit of a lull it seems..
Limerick forwards were non existent in the last Munster championship outing, they'll need to turn up on Saturday to stand a chance but there's quite a lot of pressure on their neighbours to go a lot further than this considering the dream team along the line meaning to have them pushing for honours and after 2013 anything other than a run out in Croke Park will be considered a poor season, still think Clare will have enough, but hopefully Limerick will give it a right rattle. This could possibly be the best game of the weekend.
Does anybody know if repeat pairings are prevented in the quarter finals? e.g. Is it possible for Waterford and Clare to meet again in the quarters. I know repeat pairings were prevented for round 2 of the qualifiers but not sure after that.
Well done the strawberry pickers, had bigger set of swingers to fight to the end and get the result.
Wex were winning most of the physical exchanges at both ends of the park and that gave them the platform for victory and even after the Cork goal they went straight up the field and tacked on two points. Big game from McDonald who at 22 could be something else if the support is there. He can win his own ball, high or low and was probably the difference in the two teams.
Where now for Cork? Their defence is way too feeble and doesn't put the fear of god into anyone and it's not that some are good, wristy hurlers either who can, hook, block or flick the ball away. Serious overhaul needed there. Forwards need, low fast ball and with the defence under pressure aren't getting it. Harnedy can win his own ball, but has had a terrible year, Horgan, Cadogan and Lehane aren't winning any ball and need someone up with them to do the spade work
It'd be harsh on Kingston to get rid as these barren years were foreseen years ago.
Staying in Div1A may now be a poison chalice as 1B is really where this team is at.
I was surprised cork beat dublin as cork have dropped off a lot. Mcdonald has serious potential though for wexford and apparently chin playing great stuff.
I think dublin have a bit of unrest in the camp. I noticed keaney on twitter giving off which probably calls into question his retirement.
Didn't see the games but by the sound of it clare continue to flatter to deceive a bit. Limerick were awful against tipp and i don't think they 're going well under ryan at all. They are betterthan they're showing.
I could see clare playing waterford again now. Clare have serious players if they fire and imo are the only team with the players who MIGHT beat kilkenny.
On a sidenote is it not time for loughnane to shut up. He just comes across as a bit of a bitter idiot with the galway stuff and no call for personal digs at the cannings.
Wex vs Wat so must be gy v
Vs ce
Easy enough semi for KK
Kilkenny will play winners of Waterford v Wexford
Tipperary will play winners of Clare v Galway
Can we just fast forward the next 2 months and have the inevitable Kilkenny versus Tipperary final. :(
Quote from: The Wedger on July 11, 2016, 10:58:52 AM
Can we just fast forward the next 2 months and have the inevitable Kilkenny versus Tipperary final. :(
Think Clare will have a say still in this championship. Galway with a sting in the tail ???? They certainly can take anybody out on a given day but cannot seem to be able to string together the 3 game streak to win it out.
Would love to see a Clare v Tipp semi final.
The Ws are both just making up the numbers Imo of course.
Very bad summer for Cork , Limerick and the Dubs
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Quote from: The Wedger on July 11, 2016, 10:58:52 AM
Can we just fast forward the next 2 months and have the inevitable Kilkenny versus Tipperary final. :(
Think Clare will have a say still in this championship. Galway with a sting in the tail ???? They certainly can take anybody out on a given day but cannot seem to be able to string together the 3 game streak to win it out.
Would love to see a Clare v Tipp semi final.
The Ws are both just making up the numbers Imo of course.
If Waterford win then they have to play Kilkenny
Poor game so far and Wexford are absolutely woeful. I thought they were poor against both Offaly and Cork but thought that momentum might give them a bit of a boost but it appears they are simply a poor team who are where they are on the basis of playing in a competition with a shallow pool. This game would be well over if Waterford were a bit smarter with their shot selection.
Next game should be a cracker, think Galway may steal it here... really hard to call
Really poor first game so hopefully the next one is better. Whereas Waterford Wexford was always likely to be one sided this should at least be competitive. Galway can be anything and if they hit a good day they'll be hard stopped but I fancy Clare as I think they have more in them.
Who managing Clare her the day. Donal OG?
Davy is there and up to his usual messing. What was wrong with him during the week?
Who ever said that a bad game of hurling is always better than a good game of football did not see the tripe from Thurles today.
Shockingly bad games. The second one was better than the truly awful first one but really bad stuff overall. Both football and hurling are suffering from over analysis and teams setting up to nullify their opponents rather than going out to beat them. Hard to suggest realistic solutions but the games are becoming fairly poor spectacles as the norm.
Galway v Tipp is in fashion.
Quote from: Zulu on July 24, 2016, 05:38:48 PM
Shockingly bad games. The second one was better than the truly awful first one but really bad stuff overall. Both football and hurling are suffering from over analysis and teams setting up to nullify their opponents rather than going out to beat them. Hard to suggest realistic solutions but the games are becoming fairly poor spectacles as the norm.
Agree with you 100% Zulu . You feel something will be done only when attendances drop significantly. The irony is that the more money spent on teams the less entertainment .
Great few words from Canning
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 24, 2016, 10:01:30 PM
Great few words from Canning
Correct,
. didn't get personal and put a lot of things in perspective, thought he put a lot of arseholes in their correct place.
As for the game, Clare were a disappointment, thought they would have went for it, but still maintained that defensive system and ultimately the likes of Kelly, Conlon and Co didn't trouble the Galway backs.
Moving Burke to full back may be a master stroke for Galway as he was solid and owned that area. Coen also worked well in midfield and both will need to be as good against Tipp who look good also.
On Waterford, f**k, you'd just love them to throw off the shackles and go hell for broke against Kilkenny and see what comes of it as Brian Cody won't have seen anything to cause him restless nights today.
Galway v Tipp should be a cracking match.
Amazing to think Tipp have only beaten Cody once.
Quote from: seafoid on July 25, 2016, 07:25:50 AM
Galway v Tipp should be a cracking match.
Amazing to think Tipp have only beaten Cody once.
Yes but actually do it when it matters, something Galway will have to do should they beat Tipp
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Quote from: seafoid on July 25, 2016, 07:25:50 AM
Galway v Tipp should be a cracking match.
Amazing to think Tipp have only beaten Cody once.
Yes but actually do it when it matters, something Galway will have to do should they beat Tipp
Yip,
When Cody makes one of his biggest mistakes in starting Shefflin when it was obvious he wasn't fit and the psychological boost that came with it for Tipp, but still had to be good enough to get over the line in all fairness. Kilkenny has a poor day both sides of the white line.
Don't forget the shambolic Tipp display two years later with Kilkenny giving them an 18 point walloping and that was after Tipp led at half time.
Kilkenny hammering teams in the second half isn't just confined to Galway.
That Tipp hammering was largely due to one of the most stupid tactics I've ever seen deployed on a hurling field. In fairness Tipp have usually hurled Kilkenny fairly well, and came within Hawkeye of beating them again a couple of years ago.
Galway Tipp should be epic though. Galway can hurl, and are physically strong men. Tipp can hurl, and are stronger this year than last year. Galway will feel they are well able for Tipp. Tipp will feel they are better than Galway, and will be anxious to prove it.
Roll on August 14th.
David Burke is a class act. Nice to see another J Cooney leading things. He has great genes
Hurling championship terrible this year so far. Going from bad to worse. Hopefully it improves.
Who is this "David" Burke everyone talking about last night. Very disrespectful of alot of people not to be able to get his name right. Imo of course.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 25, 2016, 10:03:31 AM
That Tipp hammering was largely due to one of the most stupid tactics I've ever seen deployed on a hurling field. In fairness Tipp have usually hurled Kilkenny fairly well, and came within Hawkeye of beating them again a couple of years ago.
Galway Tipp should be epic though. Galway can hurl, and are physically strong men. Tipp can hurl, and are stronger this year than last year. Galway will feel they are well able for Tipp. Tipp will feel they are better than Galway, and will be anxious to prove it.
Roll on August 14th.
I'm in agreement, the point is was trying to dispel is that Galway somehow always capitulate to Kilkenny when I was pointing out that most teams have capitulated to Kilkenny at some time or another and if anything Galway have given Kilkenny their fill of it as much as Tipp have. Remember Galway wiped the floor with Kilkenny in the Leinster final in 2012 and also drew with them in the AI final that year and also made a game of the replay.
Here's hoping for another epic in the semi-final, but it would be hard pushed to be better than last years game.
Derek McGrath making the right sounds for a fortnights time, but will he set the Waterford lads up to go and win the game or to avoid a big defeat like last year?
Quote from: Canalman on July 25, 2016, 10:43:07 AM
Hurling championship terrible this year so far. Going from bad to worse. Hopefully it improves.
Who is this "David" Burke everyone talking about last night. Very disrespectful of alot of people not to be able to get his name right. Imo of course.
David Burke, Galway captain from St. Thomas club, number 8 yesterday? Are you getting him mixed up with Daithà Burke who was MOTM and had no 6 on his back?
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Quote from: Canalman on July 25, 2016, 10:43:07 AM
Hurling championship terrible this year so far. Going from bad to worse. Hopefully it improves.
Who is this "David" Burke everyone talking about last night. Very disrespectful of alot of people not to be able to get his name right. Imo of course.
David Burke, Galway captain from St. Thomas club, number 8 yesterday? Are you getting him mixed up with Daithà Burke who was MOTM and had no 6 on his back?
Zing!
If Galway have FB and midfield sorted ou and can last the 70 minutes it could get very interesting.
Indeed I did. Serves me right for half watching the game.
Cyber dunces hat being worn as we speak. .
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Quote from: seafoid on July 25, 2016, 07:25:50 AM
Galway v Tipp should be a cracking match.
Amazing to think Tipp have only beaten Cody once.
Yes but actually do it when it matters, something Galway will have to do should they beat Tipp
Yip,
When Cody makes one of his biggest mistakes in starting Shefflin when it was obvious he wasn't fit and the psychological boost that came with it for Tipp, but still had to be good enough to get over the line in all fairness. Kilkenny has a poor day both sides of the white line.
Don't forget the shambolic Tipp display two years later with Kilkenny giving them an 18 point walloping and that was after Tipp led at half time.
Kilkenny hammering teams in the second half isn't just confined to Galway.
To be fair to Tipp they brought Kk to the brink in 2009 and the goal the changed the game came from a dodgy free . They missed a fair few goal chances that day too .
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Quote from: seafoid on July 25, 2016, 07:25:50 AM
Galway v Tipp should be a cracking match.
Amazing to think Tipp have only beaten Cody once.
Yes but actually do it when it matters, something Galway will have to do should they beat Tipp
Yip,
When Cody makes one of his biggest mistakes in starting Shefflin when it was obvious he wasn't fit and the psychological boost that came with it for Tipp, but still had to be good enough to get over the line in all fairness. Kilkenny has a poor day both sides of the white line.
Don't forget the shambolic Tipp display two years later with Kilkenny giving them an 18 point walloping and that was after Tipp led at half time.
Kilkenny hammering teams in the second half isn't just confined to Galway.
To be fair to Tipp they brought Kk to the brink in 2009 and the goal the changed the game came from a dodgy free .
Nothing dodgy about the free as there was a foul. The problem was the loony referee deciding it was a penalty, even though the incident took place nowhere near the large square...
Quote from: Canalman on July 25, 2016, 10:43:07 AM
Hurling championship terrible this year so far. Going from bad to worse. Hopefully it improves.
Who is this "David" Burke everyone talking about last night. Very disrespectful of alot of people not to be able to get his name right. Imo of course.
the 2 of them are fine hurlers.
Galway are not having the usual post all ireland final season
Quote from: seafoid on July 25, 2016, 12:09:42 PM
If Galway have FB and midfield sorted ou and can last the 70 minutes it could get very interesting.
Funnily enough Jim Kilty has been passing comment on this the last number of weeks and reckons Galways S&C isn't geared up towards burst of high intensity hurling like Kilkenny;
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"Galway Hurling Team deserves Reward".
My father was from Wexford and growing up in Meath, I always followed the Wexford hurling from 1954 onwards as a child. I still wish them success this year and every year since 1954. However in 2001 I ended up coaching Tipperary with Nicky Englsh in 2001 for 3 years. And so I have added Tipp to my "team" camp.
However when I see the Galway team play I pray for success for them in September some day soon. They deserve it. They bring an intensity and a flair to the game that one has to admire. And yet they have failed to get over the line every year since 1988. The have failed to last the game.
I read how they are mentally weak in today's Indo. I dont think they are. I think they must be very mentally strong to keep coming back and trying again and again to a win Liam Mac..
In fact looking at this Galway team - started by Anthony C - has some of the most skilful hurlers around. Some real nice lads who can face up to the toughest challenge on the playing field. They are not failures. They dont give-in. We all must admire them.
The problem I see has nothing to do with their wonderful hurling skills nor their menal capacity or their management per se. I just think they train poorly and that is not the fault of their excellent group of players.
Hurling is a game of skill played at a tremendous pace and intensity and if a team can't keep the intensity up, the opponemts in black and amber will crucify you.
Running repeat 200m, 300m or 400m are NO HELP WHATSOEVER to a hurler. The pace of such reps is so slow that when the game starts and the speed is high, energys drains from the limbs of people or team who train at such a slow pace. For example running repeat 200ms in 35 seconds is fast for many a 5Km 10Km runner and for the team who train like that it works out at 3.5 seconds for a flying 20m. But in the first half of a hurling game one is covering the same 20m under 2.5 seconds (remember it is a flying 20m). So the team who is used to training at 3.5 second pace just die from a lack of enegry in the past 15 to 20 minutes.
Understanding the physical demands of the game of hurling is a must for all management teams. Damien Young has produced a few studies on the motion analysis of the game and should be read by one and all who love hurling and especially by those who want to coach physical firness for hurling.
The ability to repeat bursts of speed (with and without the ball) from 5m to 30m at close to maximum effort is the bread and butter of a hurling training prgramme. Young showed that in club hurling player can make between 45 and 80 such bursts in a game. But the only way to repeat or pracice or train this is to play small-sided hurling games of intensity or to ensure player make up to 80 bursts in training. Now small sided game in hurling can be a "pain". Because hand-passing the ball becomes the style of play and for one I hate this type of training. However Young has some up with a solution here as well. He suggests a square of 2v2 at one end of a 40 or 50m strip with another 2v2 at the other end. In this way striking long can be part of the practice. Interesting!
I have come up with the idea of two players in two 5m x 5m squares about 30 to 50m apart sprinting to touch a cone at corner 1 and 3 for instance, then jab picking the ball and playing it long to a team-mate who is doing the same thing. This is repeated 5 or 6 time before taking a break for 30 to 60 seconds. The whole aspect is that this has to be performed at breath-taking pace and repeated and repeated. How the hell would doing a 200m run help you at all!
So let us not blame the surberb hurlers from the West. Let us just hope that some day they are prepared properly for the "battle".
Damien Young is excellent
Quote from: Premier Emperor on July 25, 2016, 12:51:54 PM
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Quote from: seafoid on July 25, 2016, 07:25:50 AM
Galway v Tipp should be a cracking match.
Amazing to think Tipp have only beaten Cody once.
Yes but actually do it when it matters, something Galway will have to do should they beat Tipp
Yip,
When Cody makes one of his biggest mistakes in starting Shefflin when it was obvious he wasn't fit and the psychological boost that came with it for Tipp, but still had to be good enough to get over the line in all fairness. Kilkenny has a poor day both sides of the white line.
Don't forget the shambolic Tipp display two years later with Kilkenny giving them an 18 point walloping and that was after Tipp led at half time.
Kilkenny hammering teams in the second half isn't just confined to Galway.
To be fair to Tipp they brought Kk to the brink in 2009 and the goal the changed the game came from a dodgy free .
Nothing dodgy about the free as there was a foul. The problem was the loony referee deciding it was a penalty, even though the incident took place nowhere near the large square...
7 years later and still going over this nonsense. Callanan was given a free in that match for shouldering someone in the chest ffs.
Galls man
In GAA 7 years is a small enough time to hold a grudge . I could list a great many 30 plus and I am early forties !!! ; by 60 I hope to have at least a 50 year grudge . Limerick folk never forget .
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Quote from: seafoid on July 25, 2016, 07:25:50 AM
Galway v Tipp should be a cracking match.
Amazing to think Tipp have only beaten Cody once.
Yes but actually do it when it matters, something Galway will have to do should they beat Tipp
Yip,
When Cody makes one of his biggest mistakes in starting Shefflin when it was obvious he wasn't fit and the psychological boost that came with it for Tipp, but still had to be good enough to get over the line in all fairness. Kilkenny has a poor day both sides of the white line.
Don't forget the shambolic Tipp display two years later with Kilkenny giving them an 18 point walloping and that was after Tipp led at half time.
Kilkenny hammering teams in the second half isn't just confined to Galway.
Tipp where shafted that day
The ref was letting everything go then and a nothing penalty
Up to then tipp where looking good and gave Kilkenny a boost
Bad decision but up to that he was doing OK
Ruined the game
To be fair to Tipp they brought Kk to the brink in 2009 and the goal the changed the game came from a dodgy free .
Nothing dodgy about the free as there was a foul. The problem was the loony referee deciding it was a penalty, even though the incident took place nowhere near the large square...
7 years later and still going over this nonsense. Callanan was given a free in that match for shouldering someone in the chest ffs.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 25, 2016, 02:14:25 PM
Damien Young is excellent
I read the main findings of Damien Young's research to our adult club hurlers and officials last year and some people laughed at me!
and to think that you'd actually have the smarts to train the way the game has gone!
One of them made the comment the other evening at training that hurling has changed so much in just 10 years...
Then why do so many teams train the same way they did ten years ago!! Including our club, btw
Quote from: north_antrim_hound on July 26, 2016, 04:52:46 PMTipp where shafted that day
The ref was letting everything go then and a nothing penalty
Up to then tipp where looking good and gave Kilkenny a boost
Bad decision but up to that he was doing OK
Ruined the game
I think this bit was your text. Shafted my absolute hole. I vividly remember the thread on here about it and the whinging from the Tipp lads was unbearable.
Anyway, de qualifiers. They've been shite this year in what has generally been a shite championship. Can't see either Galway or Waterford doing much in the semis and fancy Waterford to walk away with a 15+ point spanking.
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Quote from: AZOffaly on July 25, 2016, 02:14:25 PM
Damien Young is excellent
I read the main findings of Damien Young's research to our adult club hurlers and officials last year and some people laughed at me!
and to think that you'd actually have the smarts to train the way the game has gone!
One of them made the comment the other evening at training that hurling has changed so much in just 10 years...
Then why do so many teams train the same way they did ten years ago!! Including our club, btw
Its very much a case of monkey see, monkey do IMO.
Being modern or different can open coaches up for ridicule especially in a club environment where its hard to be a prophet in your own land.
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Quote from: AZOffaly on July 25, 2016, 02:14:25 PM
Damien Young is excellent
I read the main findings of Damien Young's research to our adult club hurlers and officials last year and some people laughed at me!
and to think that you'd actually have the smarts to train the way the game has gone!
One of them made the comment the other evening at training that hurling has changed so much in just 10 years...
Then why do so many teams train the same way they did ten years ago!! Including our club, btw
Its very much a case of monkey see, monkey do IMO.
Being modern or different can open coaches up for ridicule especially in a club environment where its hard to be a prophet in your own land.
Amen.