So it looks like we are out next Saturday week July 09, 2016?
From reading here and there we are in the B side of the draw. Which includes the winner of games next weekend Saturday, June 25.
Offaly v London
Antrim v Limerick
Down v Longford
Wexford v Fermanagh
From a quick look down the line and looking to see who we would meet in the Quarters (if we are lucky enough to get there) We would play the Ulster Champions or the Leinster Champions!
Any disagreements with this?
I haven't got the where-with-all to disagree with anybody today!
Quote from: moysider on June 19, 2016, 03:15:40 PM
I haven't got the where-with-all to disagree with anybody today!
;D
Been a while since we had to deal with the unknown of the backdoor in mid to late June!
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 19, 2016, 05:07:17 PM
Quote from: moysider on June 19, 2016, 03:15:40 PM
I haven't got the where-with-all to disagree with anybody today!
;D
Been a while since we had to deal with the unknown of the backdoor in mid to late June!
Ye man interviewed in London wanted Brexit, instead he gets Mayexit.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 19, 2016, 05:10:07 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 19, 2016, 05:07:17 PM
Quote from: moysider on June 19, 2016, 03:15:40 PM
I haven't got the where-with-all to disagree with anybody today!
Been a while since we had to deal with the unknown of the backdoor in mid to late June!
Ye man interviewed in London wanted Brexit, instead he gets Mayexit.
As depressed and upset as I am that is the line of the day, week even.
What do the players think now?
They think it's time for new management ;D
So it's either;
Offaly
Limerick
Longford
Fermanagh
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 26, 2016, 01:30:14 AM
So it's either;
Offaly
Limerick
Longford
Fermanagh
As far as I can see Fermanagh are the only ones who could give Mayo a game so it should be an easy draw for you.
Draw on Monday 8.30 radio 1. Seperate draw for home venue anyone know?
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 19, 2016, 05:07:17 PM
Quote from: moysider on June 19, 2016, 03:15:40 PM
I haven't got the where-with-all to disagree with anybody today!
;D
Been a while since we had to deal with the unknown of the backdoor in mid to late June!
God love ye.
Quote from: Mayo Club 51 on June 26, 2016, 01:59:57 AM
Draw on Monday 8.30 radio 1. Seperate draw for home venue anyone know?
Four games will take place on the weekend of July 9th and 10th. This draw involves the four winners from Round 1B (Offaly, Fermanagh, Longford, Limerick) against the defeated "B" side Provincial semi-finalists (Westmeath/Kildare, Donegal/Monaghan, Cork and Mayo).
A separate draw will be made for home advantage and where two teams have met previously in this year's provincial championship the winner of the provincial game shall have home advantage.
Confirmation of home venues, times and all dates for the fixtures will be confirmed following a meeting of C.C.C.C on Monday afternoon.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 26, 2016, 10:36:15 AM
Quote from: Mayo Club 51 on June 26, 2016, 01:59:57 AM
Draw on Monday 8.30 radio 1. Seperate draw for home venue anyone know?
Four games will take place on the weekend of July 9th and 10th. This draw involves the four winners from Round 1B (Offaly, Fermanagh, Longford, Limerick) against the defeated "B" side Provincial semi-finalists (Westmeath/Kildare, Donegal/Monaghan, Cork and Mayo).
A separate draw will be made for home advantage and where two teams have met previously in this year's provincial championship the winner of the provincial game shall have home advantage.
Confirmation of home venues, times and all dates for the fixtures will be confirmed following a meeting of C.C.C.C on Monday afternoon.
Some big hitters in the semi final losers
Fermanagh at home it is. Need to have the heads and tactics right for this one.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 27, 2016, 09:54:59 AM
Fermanagh at home it is. Need to have the heads and tactics right for this one.
will be a good test . No excuses for them , im hopeful galway was just a blip and we have the strength in depth to deal with them . I mean its only fermanagh :)
Quote from: rosnarun on June 27, 2016, 10:24:07 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 27, 2016, 09:54:59 AM
Fermanagh at home it is. Need to have the heads and tactics right for this one.
will be a good test . No excuses for them , im hopeful galway was just a blip and we have the strength in depth to deal with them . I mean its only fermanagh :)
Derry, Cavan and Armagh all beat Fermanagh in the league.
Meath, Laois, Antrim and Wexford are the 4 games they have won this year between league and championship.
The first 3 wins were all home games so the only away win they have is against Wexford (a Division 4 team)
If Mayo don't win this after the Galway game, it will surely be the end of the road for a fair few individuals.
Fermanagh are handy
Quote from: seafoid on June 27, 2016, 12:48:57 PM
Fermanagh are handy
That's about the limit of it - handy ; any side with any notion whatsoever of seriously contesting Sam whatsoever shouldn't be bothered by them.
Do people think mayo have any notion on sam. Id be secretly a very optimistic type of supporter but even i conceede on that notion for 16 . A qf would be a fairaachievement at this stage and thats not acting the goat either
Quote from: larryin89 on June 27, 2016, 03:46:49 PM
Do people think mayo have any notion on sam. Id be secretly a very optimistic type of supporter but even i conceede on that notion for 16 . A qf would be a fairaachievement at this stage and thats not acting the goat either
Given Mayo's form over the last few years between championship and league, you simply can't discount them based on one game against Galway.
The key thing is their attitude to the qualifiers - 6 teams have won Sam through the qualifier and all of them have had a positive attitude to being in the qualifiers. How much worse would the Mayo players be feeling if they were done for the summer and they were looking at waiting around until next May for their next championship game?
Quote from: twohands!!! on June 27, 2016, 03:24:13 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 27, 2016, 12:48:57 PM
Fermanagh are handy
That's about the limit of it - handy ; any side with any notion whatsoever of seriously contesting Sam whatsoever shouldn't be bothered by them.
In the past we ve lost qualifiers to Fermanagh, Westmeath and Longford. Not a record that would fill you with confidence going into this one.
Quote from: twohands!!! on June 27, 2016, 04:11:22 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on June 27, 2016, 03:46:49 PM
Do people think mayo have any notion on sam. Id be secretly a very optimistic type of supporter but even i conceede on that notion for 16 . A qf would be a fairaachievement at this stage and thats not acting the goat either
Given Mayo's form over the last few years between championship and league, you simply can't discount them based on one game against Galway.
The key thing is their attitude to the qualifiers - 6 teams have won Sam through the qualifier and all of them have had a positive attitude to being in the qualifiers. How much worse would the Mayo players be feeling if they were done for the summer and they were looking at waiting around until next May for their next championship game?
All six had an
AI in the bag from previous years except Cork in 2010? Thing is, 2010 was a strange year, none of the Provincial winners made the AI semi finals!
Quote from: twohands!!! on June 27, 2016, 12:35:13 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on June 27, 2016, 10:24:07 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 27, 2016, 09:54:59 AM
Fermanagh at home it is. Need to have the heads and tactics right for this one.
will be a good test . No excuses for them , im hopeful galway was just a blip and we have the strength in depth to deal with them . I mean its only fermanagh :)
Derry, Cavan and Armagh all beat Fermanagh in the league.
Meath, Laois, Antrim and Wexford are the 4 games they have won this year between league and championship.
The first 3 wins were all home games so the only away win they have is against Wexford (a Division 4 team)
If Mayo don't win this after the Galway game, it will surely be the end of the road for a fair few individuals.
Did you conveniently leave out Fermanaghs draw v Galway in Tuam? Any qualifiers Mayo have lost have been on the road home advantage should be enough to see Mayo win this game.
Quote from: larryin89 on June 27, 2016, 03:46:49 PM
Do people think mayo have any notion on sam. Id be secretly a very optimistic type of supporter but even i conceede on that notion for 16 . A qf would be a fairaachievement at this stage and thats not acting the goat either
I do.
I think they will have great vengeance and furious anger if they meet Galway later on
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 27, 2016, 04:31:13 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on June 27, 2016, 12:35:13 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on June 27, 2016, 10:24:07 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 27, 2016, 09:54:59 AM
Fermanagh at home it is. Need to have the heads and tactics right for this one.
will be a good test . No excuses for them , im hopeful galway was just a blip and we have the strength in depth to deal with them . I mean its only fermanagh :)
Derry, Cavan and Armagh all beat Fermanagh in the league.
Meath, Laois, Antrim and Wexford are the 4 games they have won this year between league and championship.
The first 3 wins were all home games so the only away win they have is against Wexford (a Division 4 team)
If Mayo don't win this after the Galway game, it will surely be the end of the road for a fair few individuals.
Did you conveniently leave out Fermanaghs draw v Galway in Tuam? Any qualifiers Mayo have lost have been on the road home advantage should be enough to see Mayo win this game.
Home advantage hasn't been much use to us lately going by the stats!
Has the time been confirmed for this?
. 7pm im reading over on the blog farr
Quote from: larryin89 on June 28, 2016, 12:21:37 AM
. 7pm im reading over on the blog farr
Cheers Larry.
Quote from: larryin89 on June 27, 2016, 03:46:49 PM
Do people think mayo have any notion on sam. Id be secretly a very optimistic type of supporter but even i conceede on that notion for 16 . A qf would be a fairaachievement at this stage and thats not acting the goat either
Vulnerable in this one, but Diarmuid O'Connor makes a massive difference, and of course you'll need Cillian to be back to being a 90%+ man with his frees.
A lot of players not on their A game, but you don't need to fix everything straight away, just enough to get by this game.
Would it be fair to say Tom Parsons hasn't scaled the heights he did last year? I thought he was brilliant, but seems to have dipped from the limited amounts I've seen of him in 2016.
A stat I heard before the Galway game is that we have never won a Saturday evening championship game.
Quote from: highorlow on June 28, 2016, 12:20:00 PM
A stat I heard before the Galway game is that we have never won a Saturday evening championship game.
Not true. We bate Cavan in a Saturday evening qualifier in Castlebar back in 07. Still, the Saturday record is definetly not great.
Quote from: Hound on June 28, 2016, 12:18:04 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on June 27, 2016, 03:46:49 PM
Do people think mayo have any notion on sam. Id be secretly a very optimistic type of supporter but even i conceede on that notion for 16 . A qf would be a fairaachievement at this stage and thats not acting the goat either
Vulnerable in this one, but Diarmuid O'Connor makes a massive difference, and of course you'll need Cillian to be back to being a 90%+ man with his frees.
A lot of players not on their A game, but you don't need to fix everything straight away, just enough to get by this game.
Would it be fair to say Tom Parsons hasn't scaled the heights he did last year? I thought he was brilliant, but seems to have dipped from the limited amounts I've seen of him in 2016.
Tom Parsons looked injured V Galway, but considering SOS and Barry Moran were also carrying knocks or out, there were not a lot of options. He was way off the pace, and did not play three weeks earlier V London.
What us the hold up in announcing the throw in time ?
Quote from: FermGael on June 28, 2016, 10:46:33 PM
What us the hold up in announcing the throw in time ?
Whether it will be shown on sky sports 1/2/3/4/5 ?
Quote from: FermGael on June 28, 2016, 10:46:33 PM
What us the hold up in announcing the throw in time ?
We don't want yous to know.
Quote from: moysider on June 27, 2016, 04:19:21 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on June 27, 2016, 03:24:13 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 27, 2016, 12:48:57 PM
Fermanagh are handy
That's about the limit of it - handy ; any side with any notion whatsoever of seriously contesting Sam whatsoever shouldn't be bothered by them.
In the past we ve lost qualifiers to Fermanagh, Westmeath and Longford. Not a record that would fill you with confidence going into this one.
But they were all during the reign of John, the Chosen One, weren't they? Them games count for sweet fa as, back then, we wouldn't bate Catty Barry, never mind a real county football team. .
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 28, 2016, 11:22:53 PM
Quote from: moysider on June 27, 2016, 04:19:21 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on June 27, 2016, 03:24:13 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 27, 2016, 12:48:57 PM
Fermanagh are handy
That's about the limit of it - handy ; any side with any notion whatsoever of seriously contesting Sam whatsoever shouldn't be bothered by them.
In the past we ve lost qualifiers to Fermanagh, Westmeath and Longford. Not a record that would fill you with confidence going into this one.
But they were all during the reign of John, the Chosen One, weren't they? Them games count for sweet fa as, back then, we wouldn't bate Catty Barry, never mind a real county football team. .
Longford was yes. Fermanagh was under Maughan mk2. Westmeath was under Holmes mk1. As has been said, Mayo have a poor record in the backdoor.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 28, 2016, 11:35:16 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 28, 2016, 11:22:53 PM
Quote from: moysider on June 27, 2016, 04:19:21 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on June 27, 2016, 03:24:13 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 27, 2016, 12:48:57 PM
Fermanagh are handy
That's about the limit of it - handy ; any side with any notion whatsoever of seriously contesting Sam whatsoever shouldn't be bothered by them.
In the past we ve lost qualifiers to Fermanagh, Westmeath and Longford. Not a record that would fill you with confidence going into this one.
But they were all during the reign of John, the Chosen One, weren't they? Them games count for sweet fa as, back then, we wouldn't bate Catty Barry, never mind a real county football team. .
Longford was yes. Fermanagh was under Maughan mk2. Westmeath was under Holmes mk1. As has been said, Mayo have a poor record in the backdoor.
It's not that backdoor that's worrying me, but how dysfunctional we were against Galway. I expected with a new management and all that we would be set on keeping the provincial run going - it was the kindest route this year. Mayo management must have been sickened coughing up that run without much resistance.
No easy way to put it - we fucked up to an extraordinary extent. Based on recent league and championship performances Fermanagh and Galway not much different. We will have to wait now until we see if there is a response. I hear the team came out of London game and training on top of the ground and players were flying for their clubs last weekend.
Andy Moran scored 2-5 in the first half last weekend!
Totally agree with moy, monumental f**k up to throw away provincial dominance and such a lethargic effort , both management and players have to take the blame but manager needs to address why he let complacency set in.
Would of predicted an early exit but im a devil for the rumours and im hearing they're rarin to go to put it mildly.
I have a great memory of a backdoor game against Mayo in Sligo in 2003.
Hopefully more of the same on Saturday week.
The two teams will know each other well enough having played in a challenge match earlier on the year. In fact I think they play each other near enough every year. Both teams were not full strength for that game but they will be familiar with each other.
What Mayo do with Aiden O'Shea will be interesting. We have a very strong midfield and Mayo will know this. Eoin Donnelly IMO is the best about at the minute.
Its very similar to the Donegal game for Fermanagh. We went to Ballybofey and showed we could live with them for a half. Similar to Monaghan last year. We have to play for the full 70 minutes. We have the players, we are capable but its down to belief. We have to work extremely hard defensively but must also work in the attacking side of the game. No point in being too negative. We have to hit Mayo where I believe they are weakest and that is in the full back line. We played Galway this year in a very important league game for both teams and got the draw and we should have won. We played most of the second half with 14. Mayo have not been overly impressive this year and IMO there is nothing to fear. Its a game we can win.....
Fermanagh would never be able to beat a D1 team in the championship.
Quote from: joemamas on June 28, 2016, 01:39:04 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 28, 2016, 12:18:04 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on June 27, 2016, 03:46:49 PM
Do people think mayo have any notion on sam. Id be secretly a very optimistic type of supporter but even i conceede on that notion for 16 . A qf would be a fairaachievement at this stage and thats not acting the goat either
Vulnerable in this one, but Diarmuid O'Connor makes a massive difference, and of course you'll need Cillian to be back to being a 90%+ man with his frees.
A lot of players not on their A game, but you don't need to fix everything straight away, just enough to get by this game.
Would it be fair to say Tom Parsons hasn't scaled the heights he did last year? I thought he was brilliant, but seems to have dipped from the limited amounts I've seen of him in 2016.
Tom Parsons looked injured V Galway, but considering SOS and Barry Moran were also carrying knocks or out, there were not a lot of options. He was way off the pace, and did not play three weeks earlier V London.
At least Parsons, SO'S and DO'C had an excuse to be off the pace, be it injury, lack of training/fitness/match practice. The other supposedly fit players, with the exception of Boyle had no such reason, whatever the explanation for that is I don't know. Whatever is needed a major change in attitude at the very least is required.
Quote from: Syferus on June 29, 2016, 03:29:08 PM
Fermanagh Roscommon would never be able to beat a D1 team in the championship.
Fixed that for you
Hearing that Andy Moran will start.Hope he dosent replace Regan who needs to be persisted with IMO.Clarke needs to be between the posts hes a safer option.Any word on injuries? When is Barrett expected back?
Joe McQuillan is down to ref this one. Still no confirmation of the exact time.
Quote from: mayoman dan on June 29, 2016, 04:29:50 PM
Hearing that Andy Moran will start.Hope he dosent replace Regan who needs to be persisted with IMO.Clarke needs to be between the posts hes a safer option.Any word on injuries? When is Barrett expected back?
no need to replace regan
the other corner is up for grabs all year, connor o'se was listed the last day but an on form andy moran is a better bet unless they want to keep using him as an impact sub . though I think his leadership is needed from the start , it is vital mayo get their heads right from the start against fermanagh
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 29, 2016, 09:58:14 PM
Joe McQuillan is down to ref this one. Still no confirmation of the exact time.
Whats the hold up I wonder? Supposed to be announced on Monday. Maybe waiting for prenty to finish handwriting 2000 *special* tickets for the match...
Quote from: mayo.mick on June 30, 2016, 01:31:13 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 29, 2016, 09:58:14 PM
Joe McQuillan is down to ref this one. Still no confirmation of the exact time.
Whats the hold up I wonder? Supposed to be announced on Monday. Maybe waiting for prenty to finish handwriting 2000 *special* tickets for the match...
I'd imagine there waiting on SKY & RTE to make a decision on which qualifiers their going to show live.
I think they are waiting to see why happen's at the weekend in case there might be another draw in ulster.
That way they will not get the repeat of his weeks decision about what's on tv
Fermanagh are a good test for Mayo. Mayo should use the qualifiers to try out a few forwards without the pressure of august. The last few years had no real competition in connacht followed by all or nothing sudden death and Mayo consequently didn't develop a broader set of forwards. If Ros can find them surely Mayo can.
Quote from: mayoman dan on June 29, 2016, 04:29:50 PM
Hearing that Andy Moran will start.Hope he dosent replace Regan who needs to be persisted with IMO.Clarke needs to be between the posts hes a safer option.Any word on injuries? When is Barrett expected back?
I don't see how they can start Andy Moran if he doesn't have seventy minutes left in his legs. I have the impression Andy's got about twenty, maybe thirty-five minutes left per game, tops. I hope I'm wrong but nobody battles Time and wins. I know he played well for Ballagh last weekend but this is knockout senior inter-county we're talking about here. Rochford won't want to put on a sub after twenty minutes if Andy blows up.
The thing I've struggled most to understand is how Mayo were able to manhandle Roscommon when they had to in the League and then rolled over for Galway. What happened between the two games? What happened to that bite and snarl?
If Mayo are serious about the year they have to wipe the floor with Fermanagh. I can't help getting the feeling that if Fermanagh were a more glamorous county they'd be shorter odds than they are. That's not to say that Mayo wouldn't be hot favourites, with their players and record of achievement over the past five years. But if Mayo are not at DefCon 1 from the thrown-in they could have all summer to regret it. Pete McGrath is a very under-estimated manager. It's not like Rochford can find his feet by matching wits with Liam Hayes or Tommy Carr here. Worrying times in Mayo.
Says where Mayo football is at when bowld Andy is the answer and not some young gun who could really benefit from a run in the Quailifiers. The forwards just aren't there, of course. No point in playing a young lad if he's just not good enough.
If Andy is one of the six best ye have, and it's it's pretty clear he's still in the best two or three forwards Mayo have access to honestly, there can't be many complaints. Just sub him at 50 minutes for Regan or Doherty or Conor O'Shea. All three very expendable if I'm being blunt.
That said I'd be very surprised if any of those lads to be able to make as much of an impact as Andy can off the bench. Rochford obviously feels they need more of that impact at the beginning of a game.
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The thing I've struggled most to understand is how Mayo were able to manhandle Roscommon when they had to in the League and then rolled over for Galway. What happened between the two games? What happened to that bite and snarl?
If Mayo are serious about the year they have to wipe the floor with Fermanagh. I can't help getting the feeling that if Fermanagh were a more glamorous county they'd be shorter odds than they are. That's not to say that Mayo wouldn't be hot favourites, with their players and record of achievement over the past five years. But if Mayo are not at DefCon 1 from the thrown-in they could have all summer to regret it. Pete McGrath is a very under-estimated manager. It's not like Rochford can find his feet by matching wits with Liam Hayes or Tommy Carr here. Worrying times in Mayo.
Mayo was able to manhandle Roscommon because of the personal they selected in the middle eight. Manhanding the likes of Bradshaw,Flynn,Conroy,O Donnell etc is much harder to do.
Qualifiers are about winning I don't understand the idea that Mayo have to wipe the floor against Fermanagh.
Quote from: Syferus on July 02, 2016, 02:57:47 PM
Says where Mayo football is at when bowld Andy is the answer and not some young gun who could really benefit from a run in the Quailifiers. The forwards just aren't there, of course. No point in playing a young lad if he's just not good enough.
If Andy is one of the six best ye have, and it's it's pretty clear he's still in the best two or three forwards Mayo have access to honestly, there can't be many complaints. Just sub him at 50 minutes for Regan or Doherty or Conor O'Shea. All three very expendable if I'm being blunt.
That said I'd be very surprised if any of those lads to be able to make as much of an impact as Andy can off the bench. Rochford obviously feels they need more of that impact at the beginning of a game.
Not too often I agree with you but as I have stated in past blogs, there should be an investigation into mayo underage coaching from u 16 up.
Other than C O Connor, we have not developed a NATURAL forward who has progressed from minor to senior in past five to six years.
Forget about all Ireland's at minor and u21 end game should be to nurture and develop, we have failed miserably and it probably will come back to haunt us two to three years from now
Quote from: joemamas on July 02, 2016, 04:51:59 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 02, 2016, 02:57:47 PM
Says where Mayo football is at when bowld Andy is the answer and not some young gun who could really benefit from a run in the Quailifiers. The forwards just aren't there, of course. No point in playing a young lad if he's just not good enough.
If Andy is one of the six best ye have, and it's it's pretty clear he's still in the best two or three forwards Mayo have access to honestly, there can't be many complaints. Just sub him at 50 minutes for Regan or Doherty or Conor O'Shea. All three very expendable if I'm being blunt.
That said I'd be very surprised if any of those lads to be able to make as much of an impact as Andy can off the bench. Rochford obviously feels they need more of that impact at the beginning of a game.
Not too often I agree with you but as I have stated in past blogs, there should be an investigation into mayo underage coaching from u 16 up.
Other than C O Connor, we have not developed a NATURAL forward who has progressed from minor to senior in past five to six years.
Forget about all Ireland's at minor and u21 end game should be to nurture and develop, we have failed miserably and it probably will come back to haunt us two to three years from now
I'd put his brother ahead of him as a forward. COC as a free-taker is beyond excellent but he has always had a big question mark over his contribution in general play. I still wonder what his position even is supposed to be at times, he's not good enough in the air to be a FF, he's not fast enough to be a proper corner forward, he's sort of a tweener as a player. You put him out the field and I don't think he has the work-rate to be square-to-square player, which is what is generally required of HFs these days. His brother has some motor on him though, basically a Kevin McLoughlin who looks comfortable in front of goal.
DOC is excellent, but I would not describe him as a free scoring forward
sweeping statements like the ones above about mayo forwards just dont add up. I understand and agree we could of done with a forward who scores more these last 5 years but that team got to five semis on the trot, contested two finals and came as close as any team ever have without winning it.
Try chattin to county lads who have played against mayo these last few yrs and youll get a better understanding of how fuckin mighty and close we have been and the respect thats out there from this group. f**king fantasists like syferus are dumb. His grin will be wiped soon enough upon the realisation of certain things.
Quote from: larryin89 on July 02, 2016, 05:25:21 PM
sweeping statements like the ones above about mayo forwards just dont add up. I understand and agree we could of done with a forward who scores more these last 5 years but that team got to five semis on the trot, contested two finals and came as close as any team ever have without winning it.
Try chattin to county lads who have played against mayo these last few yrs and youll get a better understanding of how fuckin mighty and close we have been and the respect thats out there from this group. f**king fantasists like syferus are dumb. His grin will be wiped soon enough upon the realisation of certain things.
Larry
I wish I was incorrect in my assessment but can you name two or three "natural" scoring forwards that have come through the minor ranks in past five or six years that could play senior for Mayo
We have a poor coaching structure in place and we are not developing forwards. worse part nobody seems to be addressing it at club or county board level
Well said Larry.
Can someone list all of the natural scoring forwards in Ireland for me please?
Quote from: muppet on July 02, 2016, 06:56:12 PM
Can someone list all of the natural scoring forwards in Ireland for me please?
Denial isn't a state you can really remain in anymore.
Quote from: muppet on July 02, 2016, 06:56:12 PM
Can someone list all of the natural scoring forwards in Ireland for me please?
Muppet,
Lets be honest, any team that has All-Ireland aspirations needs two or three forwards that can regularly score.
For whatever reason, we have done a poor job, this needs to be done between ages of 17 and 21.
Do not want to turn this into a pissing contest,
Monaghan have 3 or 4 including one or two debutants over past year or so.
Donegal ditto
Dublin 6 or 9 :)
Kerry 3-4
Tyrone 3-4
Mayo 1-2
Roscommon even have 2-3
Mayo should win this and use it as a platform to build a proper season. They are still very capable of making it to the latter stages of the summer if they use this unexpected detour as a motivator.
Agree with Iolar on this one. This is game 10 this year and to be brutally honest Mayo haven't put in a full 70 minute performance in any of them. Whether this is down to injuries, management, fatigue or something else I don't know, but this has got to change. This is not the time for trying out players in new positions either. Hopefully Fermanagh are worse travellers than Mayo are at home. I think it will be in the melting pot until the end.
Quote from: joemamas on July 02, 2016, 07:23:45 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 02, 2016, 06:56:12 PM
Can someone list all of the natural scoring forwards in Ireland for me please?
Muppet,
Lets be honest, any team that has All-Ireland aspirations needs two or three forwards that can regularly score.
For whatever reason, we have done a poor job, this needs to be done between ages of 17 and 21.
Do not want to turn this into a pissing contest,
Monaghan have 3 or 4 including one or two debutants over past year or so.
Donegal ditto
Dublin 6 or 9 :)
Kerry 3-4
Tyrone 3-4
Mayo 1-2
Roscommon even have 2-3
Well if Monaghan, Tyrone and even Roscommon have that many natural forwards more than us, we have massively overachieved and they have massively underachieved in recent years.
Wouldn't agree with Joemamas ranking of scoring forwards but there is no doubt Mayo lack the quality of forward to be really potent. The reason they've been so competitive is that from 1-9 they are as good if not better than anyone but from 10-15 they are not and they particularly lack a Brogan, Connolly, McManus, Murphy etc. Those guys aren't ten a penny but they often are the difference between winning and losing narrowly.
Rochford's role defined:
http://www.memidex.com/figurehead
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 02, 2016, 08:01:18 PM
Agree with Iolar on this one. This is game 10 this year and to be brutally honest Mayo haven't put in a full 70 minute performance in any of them. Whether this is down to injuries, management, fatigue or something else I don't know, but this has got to change. This is not the time for trying out players in new positions either. Hopefully Fermanagh are worse travellers than Mayo are at home. I think it will be in the melting pot until the end.
I agree with all that. Mayo really need to blitz Fermanagh off the pitch if they plan to go anywhere this season. No time or place for being nice to anyone at anytime if Mayo are to have a realistic chance of going the whole way this year.
It's almost a cliché at this stage to say Mayo lack the ruthless streak needed to compete with the best. It's been a problem for years that they can run up big leads and do in style only to lose concentration and let the opposition back into the game- something Dublin, Kerry or Tyrone would never do.
The problem with the forwards finding scores to come by has been a big problem and going by the game v Galway it seems to be as bad as ever.
Against a team that fielded an assload of championship debutants, with the manager saying he had 52 players that didn't make themselves available, our forwards scored just two points from play.
Scores from frees are all very well but, before you can score a free, the opposition must commit an offence. It's hard to win scoreable frees against the likes of Kerry as them cute hoors do most of their fouling well out the field and out the wings too. Dublin are fairly good at this also. (Wasn't always the case with them I know.)
Nothing will come easy this year and without a massive improvement in every department next Saturday, we won't get very far.
positive build up to this. I expect a big back lash.
What time is throw in?
Mayo lads who think they'll be able to railroad Fermanagh are in for a big shock.
I don't think that will be the case.
You still gauge teams on the basis of how Roscommon do against them, you do realise that there is a real world out here?
In other words piss off!
Quote from: highorlow on July 03, 2016, 02:12:01 PM
I don't think that will be the case.
You still gauge teams on the basis of how Roscommon do against them, you do realise that there is a real world out here?
In other words piss off!
Fermanagh have played well against a lot more teams than Roscommon. Lest you forget a mid-table D2 side in Galway beat ye well at home. Fermanagh are also a D2 team.
We beat ourselves
Quote from: highorlow on July 03, 2016, 02:23:55 PM
We beat ourselves
That's what all good/great teams tell themselves when the run ends. It's rarely that simple, though. I think Mayo may be in for another hard slog because Fermanagh are better at defending than Galway and in Corrigan and Quigley they have better forwards too.
Quote from: highorlow on July 03, 2016, 02:12:01 PM
I don't think that will be the case.
You still gauge teams on the basis of how Roscommon do against them, you do realise that there is a real world out here?
In other words piss off!
+130,638
We will be man to man the next day (I hope the management cop on that this the only type of game we are suited to), in a shootout we are a match for all teams.
We were a tactical shambles against Galway. Playing a sweeper against them and using one of our scoring forwards and best ball distributor was a self inflicted disaster.
That won't happen again. I'll be at the game and if it does and we set up with a sweeper I will leave the ground and go to the pub.
Fermanagh will be hard beat, they're exactly the kind of team we struggle with. They'll play deep and hit Corrigan and quigley on the break. Considering how clueless we are up front, I think we'll find them very hard to break down. Donnelly at midfield is very good, it'll be interesting how we setup there.
If both teams play to the top of their game, Mayo would win but whether we'll have the right attitude for this game remains to be seen. If we don't, then we'll have a short summer.
Mayo will win this handy. Can't see Fermanagh getting with in 6 points of Mayo
Quote from: oliverkelly on July 03, 2016, 10:23:46 PM
Mayo will win this handy. Can't see Fermanagh getting with in 6 points of Mayo
Safe to say you were saying the same last July too.
Quote from: oliverkelly on July 03, 2016, 10:23:46 PM
Mayo will win this handy. Can't see Fermanagh getting with in 6 points of Mayo
I agree. Sure we were 5 points down to the rossies with 2 minutes to go last year and Mayo are a class above that.
Quote from: muppet on July 02, 2016, 06:56:12 PM
Can someone list all of the natural scoring forwards in Ireland for me please?
About 10-12 Roscommon forwards
Quote from: Syferus on July 03, 2016, 10:51:52 PM
Quote from: oliverkelly on July 03, 2016, 10:23:46 PM
Mayo will win this handy. Can't see Fermanagh getting with in 6 points of Mayo
Safe to say you were saying the same last July too.
Wait and see so. You are predicting it a close game saying Mayo wont have it too easy I predict the opposite. Mayo to win fairly comfortably
Meanwhile the time of throw in will be made available sometime today, or maybe this week, or maybe Saturday morning to confuse our Fermanagh friends!
Heard its a 5pm throw in from a reliable source! On Sky too.
3:30
awkward for anyone travelling from distance
I am hearing 3.30 as well
Where are people hearing this?
Quote from: Mayosyear on July 04, 2016, 03:14:15 PM
Where are people hearing this?
You will get the official throw in time if you pick up a sea shell on a Mayo beach and hold it to your ear.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 04, 2016, 03:25:07 PM
Quote from: Mayosyear on July 04, 2016, 03:14:15 PM
Where are people hearing this?
You will get the official throw in time if you pick up a sea shell on a Mayo beach and hold it to your ear.
Preferably one that still has a critter in it.
I can't believe how negative some mayo supporter are being ,we got fairly beaten by a galway team who were going from strength to strength on the day and Mayo hit horrenous wide to make life hard for themselves but that will have no bearing on the Fermanagh game and chat like like ' the state we're in ' is way off the mark having said that
Fermanagh are capable of anything and if we learned anything from the Longford match it should be that the qualifier is a whole new ball game and not that we have the Mark of Cain look at our record since
Is there any other sport where youd be wondering the time the game starts and depending on rumour. Its f uvkin ridiculous.
QuoteIs there any other sport where youd be wondering the time the game starts and depending on rumour. Its f uvkin ridiculous.
It's 3:30, you can rely on that.
It's on the twitter machine now.
https://twitter.com/MayoGAA/status/749985553903394816
Quote from: highorlow on July 04, 2016, 04:20:16 PM
It's on the twitter machine now.
https://twitter.com/MayoGAA/status/749985553903394816
I presume RTE will now show it live. Edit I see it is live on RTE.
Anyone know if there will be tickets on sale at the grounds on Saturday?
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 04, 2016, 05:21:25 PM
Anyone know if there will be tickets on sale at the grounds on Saturday?
Why wouldn't there be? Would be surprised if it's a sellout, especially if it's on the telly.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 04, 2016, 05:21:25 PM
Anyone know if there will be tickets on sale at the grounds on Saturday?
We're not playing the Dubs! Yeah, there will be.
Quote from: Beffs on July 04, 2016, 05:28:28 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 04, 2016, 05:21:25 PM
Anyone know if there will be tickets on sale at the grounds on Saturday?
Why wouldn't there be? Would be surprised if it's a sellout, especially if it's on the telly.
Two nephews from Birmingham are in Mayo at the present and would like to go to the game. Neither has seen a GAA game before and they 're expecting mounted police and segregation of fans and the likes! Pair of planks need all the help they can get.
More bad news on the way. Ffs let 2016 campionship just end quick.
Just found out who it was but it does not seem to be a season ending injury.I guess the 2 OSheas will be midfield on saturday unless Barry Moran is fit to go
Quote from: maigheo on July 04, 2016, 11:01:04 PM
Just found out who it was but it does not seem to be a season ending injury.I guess the 2 OSheas will be midfield on saturday unless Barry Moran is fit to go
What's the mystery?
Is it Tom Parsons who is banjaxed?
Quote from: larryin89 on July 04, 2016, 10:40:25 PM
More bad news on the way. Ffs let 2016 campionship just end quick.
Yep. It's a wretched year. If Mayo do lose on Saturday, it will be a sad ending to a team who just weren't good enough over 5 years. Aided by a terrible reffing performance in Limerick 2 years ago.
Quote from: maigheo on July 04, 2016, 11:01:04 PM
Just found out who it was but it does not seem to be a season ending injury.I guess the 2 OSheas will be midfield on saturday unless Barry Moran is fit to go
Dont keep us in suspense.Terrible news if its Parsons.We have no luck at all with injuries
Parsons is brilliant player and a loss to any team. But reading that it's not season ending and Mayo will have cover in midfield are with Aidan or Barry Moran if fit. Wouldn't be surprised to see Stephan Coen in there either.
Quote from: oliverkelly on July 04, 2016, 11:48:19 PM
Parsons is brilliant player and a loss to any team. But reading that it's not season ending and Mayo will have cover in midfield are with Aidan or Barry Moran if fit. Wouldn't be surprised to see Stephan Coen in there either.
Vaughan has done a job in there in the past also
Quote from: mayoman dan on July 04, 2016, 11:52:20 PM
Quote from: oliverkelly on July 04, 2016, 11:48:19 PM
Parsons is brilliant player and a loss to any team. But reading that it's not season ending and Mayo will have cover in midfield are with Aidan or Barry Moran if fit. Wouldn't be surprised to see Stephan Coen in there either.
Vaughan has done a job in there in the past also
You have a 'thing' for Vaughan that I cannot understand ;D He'll more than likely (if he starts there) run like a headless chicken like he normally does there. He also seems to have lost that bit of pace too. Sorry dan, I don't think he's up to it.
Mayo have plenty of cover for Tom Parsons. Have you guys forgotten Mayo reached the 2013,2012 All Ireland finals without Parsons.
Mayo can survive without Parsons until [if] they get to Croke park .For me the loss of Ger Caff is the biggest blow and I do not think we can beat the Dubs or Kerry without him.
Quote from: maigheo on July 05, 2016, 01:30:22 AM
Mayo can survive without Parsons until [if] they get to Croke park .For me the loss of Ger Caff is the biggest blow and I do not think we can beat the Dubs or Kerry without him.
You don't exactly have a great and glorious tradition of beating them
with him ! ::)
Point taken but he seemed to have regained top form this year.I think the reason that K.Mc was moved back to play sweeper against Galway was because of Caffs absence and Rochsfords fear that Comer would play havoc.As it turned out Comer spent a lot of his time out around the 40 and for me Keane was our man of the match but pace will be an issue for him if we get to Croke Park.
Quote from: oliverkelly on July 04, 2016, 11:48:19 PM
Parsons is brilliant player and a loss to any team. But reading that it's not season ending and Mayo will have cover in midfield are with Aidan or Barry Moran if fit. Wouldn't be surprised to see Stephan Coen in there either.
Keep digging.
Quote from: Syferus on July 05, 2016, 09:12:30 AM
Quote from: oliverkelly on July 04, 2016, 11:48:19 PM
Parsons is brilliant player and a loss to any team. But reading that it's not season ending and Mayo will have cover in midfield are with Aidan or Barry Moran if fit. Wouldn't be surprised to see Stephan Coen in there either.
Keep digging.
"mayo. Are finished just a pity it wasnt us put the nail in the cofffin"
Why dont you ever go and f off with your condescending shite talk and without anything to back it up. Fook i really hope galway beat ye.
Quote from: Syferus on July 05, 2016, 09:12:30 AM
Quote from: oliverkelly on July 04, 2016, 11:48:19 PM
Parsons is brilliant player and a loss to any team. But reading that it's not season ending and Mayo will have cover in midfield are with Aidan or Barry Moran if fit. Wouldn't be surprised to see Stephan Coen in there either.
Keep digging.
What the Fook is that meant to mean?
Quote from: highorlow on July 03, 2016, 03:50:01 PM
We will be man to man the next day (I hope the management cop on that this the only type of game we are suited to), in a shootout we are a match for all teams.
We were a tactical shambles against Galway. Playing a sweeper against them and using one of our scoring forwards and best ball distributor was a self inflicted disaster.
That won't happen again. I'll be at the game and if it does and we set up with a sweeper I will leave the ground and go to the pub.
Unfortunately we have been a tactical shambles in most games that counted over the years. It's a tribute to the sheer guts and determination of all players involved that Mayo has been able to put it up to Dublin, Kerry or anyone else who counted in recent years.
Mayo has had problems in the FB and FF lines since James Horan took over. What I saw against Galway confirmed for me that Rochy hasn't managed to solve those issues either. Mayo that day against the goddamn heron ckokerswere clueless near goal and heedless at the other end and ultimately paid the price.
A bit like a baby in fact: you can get unpredictable results at either end and sometimes from both simultaneously.
I looked at a DVD of the games against Kerry in LImerick two years ago and of ever there was a case of so near and yet so far, this was it. Mayo were easily the better side, same as in the first game and same against Dublin last year burt in all cases unenforced errors kept the opposition in the game until Mayo buckled in the end in both cases.
In Limerick, Caff was left to cope with Donaghy allo through the game, even though it was very obvious that Donaghy was having the better of things. Furthermore, O'Donoghue was left free to pick up knock downs from Donaghy and he went to town on the slackness of the Mayo defence. Donoghy's goal reminded me of Brogan's goal in the '13 and MIchael Murphy's one in 2012 al came from slack marking. You could add in McFadden's goal in that game as well.
Against Dublin last year O'Shea was set to mimic Donaghy's role in Limerick but failed miserably. Every time he got possession, he was hassled by two or three defenders nd nobody available to scoop up any balls he tried to offload. Kerry's outfielders were able to pinpoint Donaghy with superb long distance ball but Mayo's attempts to find our fella were painful to watch.
Two forwards managed a point apiece against a mid-table D2 side in the last game and what bugs the hell out of me is that no moves have been made since to counteract those deficiencies.
The game next Saturday is Mayo's to win or lose. If they hit form, they should hammer Fermanagh but if the old failings re-emerge once more, our summer could come to a sudden and dramatic end.
The Mayo players owe the fans and Club 51 a big effort. FFS.
Quote from: larryin89 on July 05, 2016, 09:44:12 AM
Quote from: Syferus on July 05, 2016, 09:12:30 AM
Quote from: oliverkelly on July 04, 2016, 11:48:19 PM
Parsons is brilliant player and a loss to any team. But reading that it's not season ending and Mayo will have cover in midfield are with Aidan or Barry Moran if fit. Wouldn't be surprised to see Stephan Coen in there either.
Keep digging.
"mayo. Are finished just a pity it wasnt us put the nail in the cofffin"
Why dont you ever go and f off with your condescending shite talk and without anything to back it up. Fook i really hope galway beat ye.
Do you not realise by now that his whole pretence of been from roscommon is false, he is more of a Mayo man deep down than you, Moran or sorry Andy as he calls him is his idol, he will be gutted if Fermanagh do ye at the weekend.
Quote from: seafoid on July 05, 2016, 07:15:40 PM
The Mayo players owe the fans and Club 51 a big effort. FFS.
every one owes club 51 something after the Oxford Arms shambles
Fermanagh are 7/1. Tasty
Forecast for Saturday's a strange one. Very warm with gale force winds and heavy showers. Pretty shit for July, won't allow for quality football that's for sure.
Quote from: seafoid on July 06, 2016, 04:04:26 PM
Fermanagh are 7/1. Tasty
Don't just taste. Eat up. Fill your belly and your boots. You don't get value like that too often.
Quote from: moysider on July 06, 2016, 11:26:36 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 06, 2016, 04:04:26 PM
Fermanagh are 7/1. Tasty
Don't just taste. Eat up. Fill your belly and your boots. You don't get value like that too often.
(http://www.no-justice.org.uk/newSite/pigs.bmp-for-web.jpg)
Quote from: bucko on July 06, 2016, 10:34:43 PM
Forecast for Saturday's a strange one. Very warm with gale force winds and heavy showers. Pretty shit for July, won't allow for quality football that's for sure.
Sounds like the weather in 2003 when the two teams met...
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 06, 2016, 11:52:49 PM
Quote from: bucko on July 06, 2016, 10:34:43 PM
Forecast for Saturday's a strange one. Very warm with gale force winds and heavy showers. Pretty shit for July, won't allow for quality football that's for sure.
Sounds like the weather in 2003 when the two teams met...
I'm hoping that's not a bad omen. That was the evening Maurice Sheridan missed a free when he slipped just as he connected with the ball wasn't it?
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-might-benefit-from-taking-the-road-less-travelled-1.2712778
Where once there was certainty, now there is only the fog that descends on any man or woman who decides to sit down to figure out what the hell being on the A or B side of the qualifier draw really means. This is very much the road less travelled.
And for Mayo people, the qualifiers don't hold too many happy memories. Their record since 2001 is five wins and five defeats, but their last back-door outing was a defeat to Longford in 2010 which signalled the end of John O'Mahony's second term in charge and still ranks among the lowest moments in Mayo's footballing history.
Some counties, including the one which Mayo face on Saturday, have been able to thrive in the rather strange circumstance of being in the qualifiers. For Fermanagh, getting beaten in their province isn't a shock – in fact, it's happened every time they've ever played in the Ulster championship. As a result, their ability to recalibrate in time for the All-Ireland series is finely tuned.
They will feel they didn't play even close to their potential against Donegal in the Ulster quarter-final, and if they go looking for a line, in horse-racing parlance, they can point to a very creditable draw with Galway in Tuam last March as a sign that maybe they're not too far off Mayo after all. Certainly if this game was being played in Enniskillen, Mayo would not be sleeping too soundly this week.
The Mayo supporters have seen plenty in the last 15 years, but they have yet to experience the rather thrilling sight of your county going on a run through the back door. With games every weekend, pitting you against unfamiliar opposition in unfamiliar grounds, this could be a lot of fun for them.
Painful lessons
But it's predicated on the one lesson that every team that has had success in the All-Ireland series has learnt – study what went wrong, for sure, but there comes a time when you have digested the painful lessons of your defeat to your neighbour, and you have to just let it go. Take your medicine and move on.
The summer was cleaved wide open in Castlebar in June – and opportunity knocks now for both Galway and Mayo. The confidence with which they take their next step could yet leave them both with a big say in the championship this year.
Ah sure it's all about Galway and Rhubarbs....... ::)
Don't like the look of this...
http://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/all-ireland-draw-almost-guarantees-kerrys-route-to-last-four-but-is-really-really-bad-news-for-mayo/86032 (http://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/all-ireland-draw-almost-guarantees-kerrys-route-to-last-four-but-is-really-really-bad-news-for-mayo/86032)
Mikey Stafford
All-Ireland draw almost guarantees Kerry's place in last four but is really, really bad news for Mayo
However last weekend's results have seen the dust settle and things take shape and it is good news for Kerry.
And very, very bad news for Mayo.
Since 2014 the SFC qualifier draw has been divided in two, the A and B sides. The aim was to reduce the frequency of matches for defeated provincial semi-finalists and finalists, but it has also taken away a degree of surprise from the backdoor route.
It also means that you can chart a county's route and have a fair idea of who the four provincial champions will face at the quarter-final stage.
While the format of this summer's semi-finals has long been established, with the Munster and Leinster champions on one side and the Connacht and Ulster provincial winners on the other, the lop-sided nature of the qualifiers has only just become clear.
Kerry, as Munster champions, and the winners of Sunday's Connacht SFC final between Galway and Roscommon will play the two sides that emerge from the 'A' side of the draw.
The two sides that emerge from the 'B' side will face Dublinthe Leinster champions and the winners of the Ulster final between Donegal and Tyrone.
To correspond with the Munster/Connacht, Leinster/Ulster division, Tipperary and the loser of Connacht SFC final will go into final round of A qualifiers, with Westmeath the Leinster runners-up and the losers of Tyrone-Donegal going into Round 4B.
A
Carlow
Derry
Laois
Cavan
Clare
Meath
Sligo Tipp
Roscommon/Galway
B
Mayo
Monaghan
Kildare
Limerick
Fermanag
Offaly
Cork
Donegal/ Tyrone
Westmeath/Dublin
The upshot of randomly assigning teams to the 'A' and 'B' sides of the draws has seen a very lopsided looking Championship, with the 'B' bracket stacked with at least three Division 1 sides, Cork, a menacing Fermanagh (who face Mayo on Saturday) and presumably a Westmeath side buoyed by a second successive run to the Leinster final.
In contrast, the 'A' side features only one Division 1 side for sure, just promoted Cavan (who will hope to bounce back from conceding five goals to Tyrone with a handy qualifier opener against Carlow). Roscommon may end up in qualifier round 4B if they lose to Galway on Sunday but, either way, it is a far weaker set of teams.
The full cost of Mayo's Connacht SFC semi-final defeat can now be laid bare. If they overcome Fermanagh, they still face potential opponents as menacing as a Conor McManus-led Monaghan, a dangerous Cork and a highly-motivated, highly pissed-off Donegal or Tyrone.
Good luck with that.
Meanwhile Kerry and the yet-to-be-crowned Connacht champions are waiting to see who prevails in the tallest dwarf contest on the other side, with a demoralised Derry, leaky Cavan, far from vintage Meath and the losers of Roscommon-Galway the scariest looking options.
None of which look like great preparation for the Kingdom ahead of a likely All-Ireland semi-final meeting with Dublin.
Monaghan have one forward.
Cork are not good enough
Mayo would beat either of the Ulster finalists
Quote from: seafoid on July 07, 2016, 02:35:00 PM
Monaghan have one forward.
Cork are not good enough
Mayo would beat either of the Ulster finalists
We'd take Hughes!
Quote from: seafoid on July 07, 2016, 02:35:00 PM
Monaghan have one forward.
Cork are not good enough
Mayo would beat either of the Ulster finalists
Galway beat Mayo so not sure about that. Would Galway beat Monaghan or even Cavan?
We'll make bits of Kerry.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 07, 2016, 02:25:25 PM
Don't like the look of this...
http://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/all-ireland-draw-almost-guarantees-kerrys-route-to-last-four-but-is-really-really-bad-news-for-mayo/86032 (http://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/all-ireland-draw-almost-guarantees-kerrys-route-to-last-four-but-is-really-really-bad-news-for-mayo/86032)
Mikey Stafford
All-Ireland draw almost guarantees Kerry's place in last four but is really, really bad news for Mayo
However last weekend's results have seen the dust settle and things take shape and it is good news for Kerry.
And very, very bad news for Mayo.
Since 2014 the SFC qualifier draw has been divided in two, the A and B sides. The aim was to reduce the frequency of matches for defeated provincial semi-finalists and finalists, but it has also taken away a degree of surprise from the backdoor route.
It also means that you can chart a county's route and have a fair idea of who the four provincial champions will face at the quarter-final stage.
While the format of this summer's semi-finals has long been established, with the Munster and Leinster champions on one side and the Connacht and Ulster provincial winners on the other, the lop-sided nature of the qualifiers has only just become clear.
Kerry, as Munster champions, and the winners of Sunday's Connacht SFC final between Galway and Roscommon will play the two sides that emerge from the 'A' side of the draw.
The two sides that emerge from the 'B' side will face Dublinthe Leinster champions and the winners of the Ulster final between Donegal and Tyrone.
To correspond with the Munster/Connacht, Leinster/Ulster division, Tipperary and the loser of Connacht SFC final will go into final round of A qualifiers, with Westmeath the Leinster runners-up and the losers of Tyrone-Donegal going into Round 4B.
A
Carlow
Derry
Laois
Cavan
Clare
Meath
Sligo Tipp
Roscommon/Galway
B
Mayo
Monaghan
Kildare
Limerick
Fermanag
Offaly
Cork
Donegal/ Tyrone
Westmeath/Dublin
The upshot of randomly assigning teams to the 'A' and 'B' sides of the draws has seen a very lopsided looking Championship, with the 'B' bracket stacked with at least three Division 1 sides, Cork, a menacing Fermanagh (who face Mayo on Saturday) and presumably a Westmeath side buoyed by a second successive run to the Leinster final.
In contrast, the 'A' side features only one Division 1 side for sure, just promoted Cavan (who will hope to bounce back from conceding five goals to Tyrone with a handy qualifier opener against Carlow). Roscommon may end up in qualifier round 4B if they lose to Galway on Sunday but, either way, it is a far weaker set of teams.
The full cost of Mayo's Connacht SFC semi-final defeat can now be laid bare. If they overcome Fermanagh, they still face potential opponents as menacing as a Conor McManus-led Monaghan, a dangerous Cork and a highly-motivated, highly pissed-off Donegal or Tyrone.
Good luck with that.
Meanwhile Kerry and the yet-to-be-crowned Connacht champions are waiting to see who prevails in the tallest dwarf contest on the other side, with a demoralised Derry, leaky Cavan, far from vintage Meath and the losers of Roscommon-Galway the scariest looking options.
None of which look like great preparation for the Kingdom ahead of a likely All-Ireland semi-final meeting with Dublin.
Mayo if they win on Saturday could draw Kildare next,Westmeath in round 4, quarter final v the Ulster champions (avoiding Dublin and Kerry until a possible All Ireland final ) so i'd hold off on the very very bad news for Mayo yet.
As supporters you have to keep shouting till its over ,that is our job. We know deep down the dream most likely died v dubs last year, its very tough to accept and a part of you doesnt want to accept. People from other counties can snipe away and snigger but most of them havent a clue what its like to be up competing with the best. Personally i will always have a fondness for this group no matter how it ends. They have played their hearts out. Them games v kerry in 14 were f**king epic, 12 v the dubs and 13 in all games to the final they were just incredible, it was surreal v galway and donegal that year AOS was like a f**king machine, cillian the same. So my point is after my rant, very proud of this group of men. Some fantastic days that will live with me and all belonging to me till we die.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 07, 2016, 03:49:32 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 07, 2016, 02:35:00 PM
Monaghan have one forward.
Cork are not good enough
Mayo would beat either of the Ulster finalists
Galway beat Mayo so not sure about that. Would Galway beat Monaghan or even Cavan?
Mayo underestimated Galway.
Galway would beat Cavan and would probably score more than Monaghan would
Most Mayo supporters will be happy enough if we're good enough to beat Fermanagh never mind talking about monaghan or anyone else.
Quote from: larryin89 on July 07, 2016, 07:15:35 PM
As supporters you have to keep shouting till its over ,that is our job. We know deep down the dream most likely died v dubs last year, its very tough to accept and a part of you doesnt want to accept. People from other counties can snipe away and snigger but most of them havent a clue what its like to be up competing with the best. Personally i will always have a fondness for this group no matter how it ends. They have played their hearts out. Them games v kerry in 14 were f**king epic, 12 v the dubs and 13 in all games to the final they were just incredible, it was surreal v galway and donegal that year AOS was like a f**king machine, cillian the same. So my point is after my rant, very proud of this group of men. Some fantastic days that will live with me and all belonging to me till we die.
Good man Larry great post.I think you summed up what most of us are feeling at the moment!!
When will the team be named? Do they know who to pick with all the injuries?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 07, 2016, 09:07:37 PM
When will the team be named? Do they know who to pick with all the injuries?
Tomorrow evening, according to this: https://twitter.com/MayoGAA/status/751144782911582209
Realistically though, we won't know the actual team until the throw-in I would say.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on July 07, 2016, 10:13:47 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 07, 2016, 09:07:37 PM
When will the team be named? Do they know who to pick with all the injuries?
Tomorrow evening, according to this: https://twitter.com/MayoGAA/status/751144782911582209
Realistically though, we won't know the actual team until the throw-in I would say.
Cheers Iolar. It will be interesting to see how Mayo set up.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 07, 2016, 09:07:37 PM
When will the team be named? Do they know who to pick with all the injuries?
Will be named when the O Se brothers have decided who's playing.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 07, 2016, 10:19:24 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on July 07, 2016, 10:13:47 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 07, 2016, 09:07:37 PM
When will the team be named? Do they know who to pick with all the injuries?
Tomorrow evening, according to this: https://twitter.com/MayoGAA/status/751144782911582209
Realistically though, we won't know the actual team until the throw-in I would say.
Cheers Iolar. It will be interesting to see how Mayo set up.
The set-up will be interesting alright but as many as 14 names predictable enough unless there are more injuries we don't know about.
I expect Hennelly, Harrison, Keane, Keegan, Boyle, Doherty, Regan, Seamie, Diarmuid O C. Cillian O C. Higgins, Aidan O Shea, Kevin Mc. Durkan all to start. Who the 15th man is may well decide how we set up.
I expect the 15th man will be between Coen, Andy and Barry Moran, if Barry is fit.
I wouldn't mind see DO'C at MF for a while, I think it'd suit him. I'd put Coen at 6
In the year of the French . In the year of Ma..
Nice one Larry, good shamrocks passion coming out there. I'm with these lads all the way and I trust Rochford.
Despite this passion I think we will get one or the other on Saturday. Either a 10 to 15 point win for us or a 1 or 2 point loss.
I believe it will be the former.
Quote from: mayoman dan on July 07, 2016, 10:35:59 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 07, 2016, 09:07:37 PM
When will the team be named? Do they know who to pick with all the injuries?
Will be named when the O Se brothers have decided who's playing.
Does this crap ever end in Mayo?
Willie Joe
Liam McHale
Ciarán McDonald
All abused relentlessly by the most ignorant dickheads amongst our own supporters. Have you considered supporting Roscommon? You would fit in very well there.
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 07, 2016, 10:39:41 PM
I wouldn't mind see DO'C at MF for a while, I think it'd suit him. I'd put Coen at 6
D O Connor never looked like a midfielder when he played there at minor,U21 level. S Coen on the other hand stood out at midfield when he played there with the U21s.
I wish we would just leave what has worked well alone. McLoughlin has been one of the best half forwards that we've ever had. Diarmuid O Connor as well even though he's only been there a year or 2. Same the half back line with Keegan, Boyle and now Durkan.
We've enough issues now with 3 of our most athletic players out - 2 of them (Cafferkey and Gibbons) for the year. Time to consolidate and rescue the year as best we can.
We tried to be too clever v Galway. I always wanted Higgins playing in half back line but v Galway he was playing a lot with his back to opposition goal rather than coming onto ball from deeper positions. A role reversal between Higgins and McLoughlin would have been better imo. Over the nearly years McLoughlin has been in the mix of some of the better things we ve done in attack and chipped in regularly with scores as well. It's all there on video if people want to check it out.
Apart from some glaring tactical errors in recent years the biggest failures we've had have been stupid individual decisions players have made. Unfortunately that lack of craftiness was still there in the recent Galway game. Worryingly, our top players still do the daftest things.
QuoteI wish we would just leave what has worked well alone. McLoughlin has been one of the best half forwards that we've ever had. Diarmuid O Connor as well even though he's only been there a year or 2. Same the half back line with Keegan, Boyle and now Durkan.
Agree fully with this.
I think the daftest things our players do were getting eradicated early on in the league. We had a good mix of kick passing and hand passing and did not do too much running into cul de sacs.
The major flaw for us when playing a sweeper system is that it nullifies one of our key weapons, that is the ability for our forwards to turn over the opposition backs possession. We all know this teams ability on the turnovers and that went missing the last day simply because we were out numbered up front with our spare sweeper tracking back on their kick outs.
I believe this tackling system derived from Donie Buckley so I hope he has more of a say on Sat in the tactical stakes.
Quote from: muppet on July 08, 2016, 12:19:31 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on July 07, 2016, 10:35:59 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 07, 2016, 09:07:37 PM
When will the team be named? Do they know who to pick with all the injuries?
Will be named when the O Se brothers have decided who's playing.
Does this crap ever end in Mayo?
Willie Joe
Liam McHale
Ciarán McDonald
All abused relentlessly by the most ignorant d**kheads amongst our own supporters. Have you considered supporting Roscommon? You would fit in very well there.
Time to take your head from the sand Muppet. Certain players are calling the shots
Quote from: mayoman dan on July 08, 2016, 10:20:58 AM
Quote from: muppet on July 08, 2016, 12:19:31 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on July 07, 2016, 10:35:59 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 07, 2016, 09:07:37 PM
When will the team be named? Do they know who to pick with all the injuries?
Will be named when the O Se brothers have decided who's playing.
Does this crap ever end in Mayo?
Willie Joe
Liam McHale
Ciarán McDonald
All abused relentlessly by the most ignorant d**kheads amongst our own supporters. Have you considered supporting Roscommon? You would fit in very well there.
Time to take your head from the sand Muppet. Certain players are calling the shots
Bullsh*t.
One loss in Connacht in 6 years and this nonsense starts. Imagine what it will be like if we have a bad couple of years.
We will be back to listening to the dickheads who chased Ciaran McDonald off the team.
Quote from: muppet on July 08, 2016, 10:42:05 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on July 08, 2016, 10:20:58 AM
Quote from: muppet on July 08, 2016, 12:19:31 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on July 07, 2016, 10:35:59 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 07, 2016, 09:07:37 PM
When will the team be named? Do they know who to pick with all the injuries?
Will be named when the O Se brothers have decided who's playing.
Does this crap ever end in Mayo?
Willie Joe
Liam McHale
Ciarán McDonald
All abused relentlessly by the most ignorant d**kheads amongst our own supporters. Have you considered supporting Roscommon? You would fit in very well there.
Time to take your head from the sand Muppet. Certain players are calling the shots
Bullsh*t.
One loss in Connacht in 6 years and this nonsense starts. Imagine what it will be like if we have a bad couple of years.
We will be back to listening to the d**kheads who chased Ciaran McDonald off the team.
I'm afraid not muppet and it was going on all last year aswell.
Quote from: mayoman dan on July 08, 2016, 10:20:58 AM
Quote from: muppet on July 08, 2016, 12:19:31 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on July 07, 2016, 10:35:59 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 07, 2016, 09:07:37 PM
When will the team be named? Do they know who to pick with all the injuries?
Will be named when the O Se brothers have decided who's playing.
Does this crap ever end in Mayo?
Willie Joe
Liam McHale
Ciarán McDonald
All abused relentlessly by the most ignorant d**kheads amongst our own supporters. Have you considered supporting Roscommon? You would fit in very well there.
Time to take your head from the sand Muppet. Certain players are calling the shots
False.
Quote from: mayoman dan on July 08, 2016, 10:50:31 AM
Quote from: muppet on July 08, 2016, 10:42:05 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on July 08, 2016, 10:20:58 AM
Quote from: muppet on July 08, 2016, 12:19:31 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on July 07, 2016, 10:35:59 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 07, 2016, 09:07:37 PM
When will the team be named? Do they know who to pick with all the injuries?
Will be named when the O Se brothers have decided who's playing.
Does this crap ever end in Mayo?
Willie Joe
Liam McHale
Ciarán McDonald
All abused relentlessly by the most ignorant d**kheads amongst our own supporters. Have you considered supporting Roscommon? You would fit in very well there.
Time to take your head from the sand Muppet. Certain players are calling the shots
Bullsh*t.
One loss in Connacht in 6 years and this nonsense starts. Imagine what it will be like if we have a bad couple of years.
We will be back to listening to the d**kheads who chased Ciaran McDonald off the team.
I'm afraid not muppet and it was going on all last year aswell.
Are you one of those who savaged McDonald from the terraces? Were you happy when he quit?
Quote from: muppet on July 08, 2016, 10:42:05 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on July 08, 2016, 10:20:58 AM
Quote from: muppet on July 08, 2016, 12:19:31 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on July 07, 2016, 10:35:59 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 07, 2016, 09:07:37 PM
When will the team be named? Do they know who to pick with all the injuries?
Will be named when the O Se brothers have decided who's playing.
Does this crap ever end in Mayo?
Willie Joe
Liam McHale
Ciarán McDonald
All abused relentlessly by the most ignorant d**kheads amongst our own supporters. Have you considered supporting Roscommon? You would fit in very well there.
Time to take your head from the sand Muppet. Certain players are calling the shots
Bullsh*t.
One loss in Connacht in 6 years and this nonsense starts. Imagine what it will be like if we have a bad couple of years.
We will be back to listening to the d**kheads who chased Ciaran McDonald off the team.
You're coming off looking like more of a slapped arse than usual Muppet.
In any high performing team setup, the team members are empowered to lead with the management merely acting as the 'servant leaders' to help the team get up to the next level.
In a team sport context, this should mean that a player or players are perfectly entitled to (and should be encouraged to) have an open discussion with management about anything from tactics to team selection. The management should be mature enough to encourage such behaviour and mature enough to factor in the feedback and possibly even change their approach if they really believe it is the right thing to do for the betterment of the team.
The alternative is a 'command and control' culture where the management dictate to the players as if they were young school children. This approach is still the default approach in the majority of gaelic games team setups today unfortunately .... and in soccer, but much less so in say basketball for example.
I am sure Rochford applies the former approach (as in Dublin, Kerry) and i can but speculate that the 'open discussion' i refer to takes place but the idiots on the street who hear about this through perhaps a county board gombeen or a slightly dimwitted player interpret this as players running the show..... and that quite frankly would be bullsh*t
Quote from: blast05 on July 08, 2016, 11:13:27 AM
In any high performing team setup, the team members are empowered to lead with the management merely acting as the 'servant leaders' to help the team get up to the next level.
In a team sport context, this should mean that a player or players are perfectly entitled to (and should be encouraged to) have an open discussion with management about anything from tactics to team selection. The management should be mature enough to encourage such behaviour and mature enough to factor in the feedback and possibly even change their approach if they really believe it is the right thing to do for the betterment of the team.
The alternative is a 'command and control' culture where the management dictate to the players as if they were young school children. This approach is still the default approach in the majority of gaelic games team setups today unfortunately .... and in soccer, but much less so in say basketball for example.
I am sure Rochford applies the former approach (as in Dublin, Kerry) and i can but speculate that the 'open discussion' i refer to takes place but the idiots on the street who hear about this through perhaps a county board gombeen or a slightly dimwitted player interpret this as players running the show..... and that quite frankly would be bullsh*t
Agreed. That is a long way from:
"Will be named when the O Se brothers have decided who's playing."Especially since only one of them started the last day. They mustn't have picked themselves.
Great stuff there blast05. It was only yesterday i read an interview by balls.ie done with JOM and he said how they thrashed it out with players about tactics after roscommon defeat . Sounded very much like the players had their say too.found it very interesting how he then gave the squad 10 days off as the qualifier wasnt for 3 weeks, no contact at all for ten days.
Quote from: larryin89 on July 08, 2016, 11:22:47 AM
Great stuff there blast05. It was only yesterday i read an interview by balls.ie done with JOM and he said how they thrashed it out with players about tactics after roscommon defeat . Sounded very much like the players had their say too.found it very interesting how he then gave the squad 10 days off as the qualifier wasnt for 3 weeks, no contact at all for ten days.
there was no social media chatter in 2001 when Galway did the qualifier tour. The players just got on with things.
Mayo always have the vulnerability that the nihilism of the fans gets into the minds of the players. Galway hurlers have a similar problem. Both teams should have won an all Ireland in the last decade.
I'd safely say that there people high up within football in Mayo who were seriously pissed off with the players over Holmes and Connelly's removal who saw the defeat against Galway who saw it as an opportunity to fire a salvo against the supposed ringleaders. It's amazing how quickly that story was circulated, I think I heard it first on the Sunday. I find it very hard to believe that someone like Tony McEntee would be putting in the mileage to put up with that sort of bullshit if it was happening. An All Ireland medal in his back pocket and no soft touch as player I'd say he'd have no problem putting people in their place. What I do think is that O'Shea does need to up his game from the last day, as do a few more players. He was a peripheral enough figure on the day, maybe not helped by him being shifted positionally throughout the game.
Sean Moran is a very good analyst of the Mayo psyche
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/holy-grail-tantalisingly-close-for-mayo-again-1.533750
"I can take the despair. It's the hope I can't stand,"
– John Cleese (from the film Clockwise)
THE ESSENTIAL poignancy of Mayo was best expressed to me by a native, who proudly (and a little tongue-in-cheek – I think) proclaimed his county as "the second biggest in Ireland – when the tide's out".
Nowhere is the studied dejection and Zen fatalism as evident as in the county's football fortunes: "Mayo, God help us. Where have all the minors gone? Washte of time (I'm going home to burn this)," and all the other expressions of forebodings, all too predictably realised."
They are still in the competition. That is all that matters for the moment.
peter canavan looking to manage you boys now i see sky gig might be ending so he would be available
Quote from: muppet on July 08, 2016, 10:51:42 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on July 08, 2016, 10:50:31 AM
Quote from: muppet on July 08, 2016, 10:42:05 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on July 08, 2016, 10:20:58 AM
Quote from: muppet on July 08, 2016, 12:19:31 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on July 07, 2016, 10:35:59 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 07, 2016, 09:07:37 PM
When will the team be named? Do they know who to pick with all the injuries?
Will be named when the O Se brothers have decided who's playing.
Does this crap ever end in Mayo?
Willie Joe
Liam McHale
Ciarán McDonald
All abused relentlessly by the most ignorant d**kheads amongst our own supporters. Have you considered supporting Roscommon? You would fit in very well there.
Time to take your head from the sand Muppet. Certain players are calling the shots
Bullsh*t.
One loss in Connacht in 6 years and this nonsense starts. Imagine what it will be like if we have a bad couple of years.
We will be back to listening to the d**kheads who chased Ciaran McDonald off the team.
I'm afraid not muppet and it was going on all last year aswell.
Are you one of those who savaged McDonald from the terraces? Were you happy when he quit?
No quite the opposite I was devastated when Mc Donald left. I can see where your coming from here Muppet but the 3 lads you mentioned never went on with the shite that's going on now.
Mayoman Dan, what's your source on this??
Quote from: moysider on July 08, 2016, 01:18:22 AM
I wish we would just leave what has worked well alone. McLoughlin has been one of the best half forwards that we've ever had. Diarmuid O Connor as well even though he's only been there a year or 2. Same the half back line with Keegan, Boyle and now Durkan.
We've enough issues now with 3 of our most athletic players out - 2 of them (Cafferkey and Gibbons) for the year. Time to consolidate and rescue the year as best we can.
We tried to be too clever v Galway. I always wanted Higgins playing in half back line but v Galway he was playing a lot with his back to opposition goal rather than coming onto ball from deeper positions. A role reversal between Higgins and McLoughlin would have been better imo. Over the nearly years McLoughlin has been in the mix of some of the better things we ve done in attack and chipped in regularly with scores as well. It's all there on video if people want to check it out.
Apart from some glaring tactical errors in recent years the biggest failures we've had have been stupid individual decisions players have made. Unfortunately that lack of craftiness was still there in the recent Galway game. Worryingly, our top players still do the daftest things.
Amen, brother, a bloody men.
Your last paragraph just about sums up my frustration ever since James Horan took over the show.
I have seem the team gradually mature into the most skillful, athletic squad in the land.
Yet the team has snatched defeat from the jaws of victory time and time again.
Time after time, Mayo have gone into overdrive and built up substantial leads only to lift the foot off the pedal to let the opposition back in.
Couldn't see Dublin or Kerry doing that...
Neither Horan or anybody who followed him will go down in history as tactical geniuses but the managers are the only ones who screwed things up.
The present side, IMHO, still has what it takes to go the whole way but only if players and management have learned from the mistakes of the past.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 08, 2016, 01:30:45 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 08, 2016, 01:18:22 AM
I wish we would just leave what has worked well alone. McLoughlin has been one of the best half forwards that we've ever had. Diarmuid O Connor as well even though he's only been there a year or 2. Same the half back line with Keegan, Boyle and now Durkan.
We've enough issues now with 3 of our most athletic players out - 2 of them (Cafferkey and Gibbons) for the year. Time to consolidate and rescue the year as best we can.
We tried to be too clever v Galway. I always wanted Higgins playing in half back line but v Galway he was playing a lot with his back to opposition goal rather than coming onto ball from deeper positions. A role reversal between Higgins and McLoughlin would have been better imo. Over the nearly years McLoughlin has been in the mix of some of the better things we ve done in attack and chipped in regularly with scores as well. It's all there on video if people want to check it out.
Apart from some glaring tactical errors in recent years the biggest failures we've had have been stupid individual decisions players have made. Unfortunately that lack of craftiness was still there in the recent Galway game. Worryingly, our top players still do the daftest things.
Amen, brother, a bloody men.
Your last paragraph just about sums up my frustration ever since James Horan took over the show.
I have seem the team gradually mature into the most skillful, athletic squad in the land.
Yet the team has snatched defeat from the jaws of victory time and time again.
Time after time, Mayo have gone into overdrive and built up substantial leads only to lift the foot off the pedal to let the opposition back in.
Couldn't see Dublin or Kerry doing that...
Neither Horan or anybody who followed him will go down in history as tactical geniuses but the managers are the only ones who screwed things up.
The present side, IMHO, still has what it takes to go the whole way but only if players and management have learned from the mistakes of the past.
Dubs pre 2011 did it loads of times. Cork footballers and Galway hurlers do it.
Mayo have to get out of the loop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rNPmj6Azqo
they do the daftest thing because they play with a free spirit no found in many counties , most counties esp the northern one play very much o the coaches rule book and do thing that are counter intuitive because that is the decree eg, corner forward sprinting to defend as soon as the ball is lost in keeping with BLASTS 'command and control' culture,
which is all about negativity and elimination of any mistakes esp thise that can be traced back to the coach.
Isish rugby and schmit are perfect example of this .
you look goo for so long but when the heat comes it falls apart .
Major problem with the alternative is if the manager is weak then the loudest voice may rule the day whether it a wise one or not .
MAyo by 10 points
Quote from: mayoman dan on July 08, 2016, 11:52:49 AM
Quote from: muppet on July 08, 2016, 10:51:42 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on July 08, 2016, 10:50:31 AM
Quote from: muppet on July 08, 2016, 10:42:05 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on July 08, 2016, 10:20:58 AM
Quote from: muppet on July 08, 2016, 12:19:31 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on July 07, 2016, 10:35:59 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 07, 2016, 09:07:37 PM
When will the team be named? Do they know who to pick with all the injuries?
Will be named when the O Se brothers have decided who's playing.
Does this crap ever end in Mayo?
Willie Joe
Liam McHale
Ciarán McDonald
All abused relentlessly by the most ignorant d**kheads amongst our own supporters. Have you considered supporting Roscommon? You would fit in very well there.
Time to take your head from the sand Muppet. Certain players are calling the shots
Bullsh*t.
One loss in Connacht in 6 years and this nonsense starts. Imagine what it will be like if we have a bad couple of years.
We will be back to listening to the d**kheads who chased Ciaran McDonald off the team.
I'm afraid not muppet and it was going on all last year aswell.
Are you one of those who savaged McDonald from the terraces? Were you happy when he quit?
No quite the opposite I was devastated when Mc Donald left. I can see where your coming from here Muppet but the 3 lads you mentioned never went on with the shite that's going on now.
You specifically named the O'Se's as 'picking the team'.
This doesn't even happen in Breaffy.
How can you account for the fact that 2 O'Se's were on the bench the last day?
Why the delay in naming a XV anyway? Could always change it, like always...
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 08, 2016, 03:08:53 PM
Why the delay in naming a XV anyway? Could always change it, like always...
playing silly bugger as usual have Fermanagh named theirs yet?
Quote from: seafoid on July 08, 2016, 02:13:58 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 08, 2016, 01:30:45 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 08, 2016, 01:18:22 AM
I wish we would just leave what has worked well alone. McLoughlin has been one of the best half forwards that we've ever had. Diarmuid O Connor as well even though he's only been there a year or 2. Same the half back line with Keegan, Boyle and now Durkan.
We've enough issues now with 3 of our most athletic players out - 2 of them (Cafferkey and Gibbons) for the year. Time to consolidate and rescue the year as best we can.
We tried to be too clever v Galway. I always wanted Higgins playing in half back line but v Galway he was playing a lot with his back to opposition goal rather than coming onto ball from deeper positions. A role reversal between Higgins and McLoughlin would have been better imo. Over the nearly years McLoughlin has been in the mix of some of the better things we ve done in attack and chipped in regularly with scores as well. It's all there on video if people want to check it out.
Apart from some glaring tactical errors in recent years the biggest failures we've had have been stupid individual decisions players have made. Unfortunately that lack of craftiness was still there in the recent Galway game. Worryingly, our top players still do the daftest things.
Amen, brother, a bloody men.
Your last paragraph just about sums up my frustration ever since James Horan took over the show.
I have seem the team gradually mature into the most skillful, athletic squad in the land.
Yet the team has snatched defeat from the jaws of victory time and time again.
Time after time, Mayo have gone into overdrive and built up substantial leads only to lift the foot off the pedal to let the opposition back in.
Couldn't see Dublin or Kerry doing that...
Neither Horan or anybody who followed him will go down in history as tactical geniuses but the managers are the only ones who screwed things up.
The present side, IMHO, still has what it takes to go the whole way but only if players and management have learned from the mistakes of the past.
Dubs pre 2011 did it loads of times. Cork footballers and Galway hurlers do it.
Mayo have to get out of the loop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rNPmj6Azqo
They sure did but my point is they got out of that habit when 2012 and Jim Gavin came along. They also had the tendency to yield soft frees within scoring range but now they foul away and be damned further outfield.
Those counties in question managed to eradicate avoidable errors so not to give any advantage to the opposition.
Since day one, Aidan O' Sé, when he wins possession, puts the head down and tries to bull his way through the opposition. Invariably he loses possession because two or three will tackle him, knowing very well that he won't try to offload the ball to anyone else.
Dara Ó Sé wrote a very perceptive piece in his IT column some time after the Dubs got past Mayo in the semi last year.
He said it was time to stop feeling sorry for Mayo every time they lost a major championship game.
Dar leis mar a déarfá, Mayo lost games they should have one if only they didn't keep shooting themselves in the foot time after time,when they had the winning of the game but chose not to take it.
Can't say I disagree with that.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 08, 2016, 03:33:34 PM
They sure did but my point is they got out of that habit when 2012 and Jim Gavin came along. They also had the tendency to yield soft frees within scoring range but now they foul away and be damned further outfield.
Those counties in question managed to eradicate avoidable errors so not to give any advantage to the opposition.
Since day one, Aidan O' Sé, when he wins possession, puts the head down and tries to bull his way through the opposition. Invariably he loses possession because two or three will tackle him, knowing very well that he won't try to offload the ball to anyone else.
Dara Ó Sé wrote a very perceptive piece in his IT column some time after the Dubs got past Mayo in the semi last year.
He said it was time to stop feeling sorry for Mayo every time they lost a major championship game. Dar leis mar a déarfá, Mayo lost games they should have one if only they didn't keep shooting themselves in the foot time after time,when they had the winning of the game but chose not to take it.
Can't say I disagree with that.
It's a big flaw in his game, imo. That tendency of his to always charge forward, like a bull in a china shop. Maybe its an inevitable outcome from being so physically strong and imposing. He'll always want to go Route 1.
It is easy enough to say that he should lay it off to a team mate more. But that requires very quick feet, quick hands, lightening fast reflexes, speed of thought & an 'eyes in the back of your head' spatial awareness of where your team mates are. I'll stick with Brogan, as you brought up the Dubs, but all the great forwards have those attributes. Time and time again, Brogan gets his hands on the ball & the cavalry arrive to crowd him out. But in the blink of an eye, the ball somehow winds up in Andrews or Flynns hands. The white or green flags are being raised, while the 3 defenders who were crawling up Brogans back passage, are wondering where the fcuk the ball went. Exhibit A - Philly McMahon's goal last year.
It's easy enough to say O'Shea should be following that game plan more. But he just doesn't have the supporting cast, that the other marquee forwards do, to pull it off. Nor can he just conjure up physical and mental attributes over night, that involve speed, agility, vision and dexterity, when his game has been based on pure power and raw physicality, since he was in short trousers.
Fermanagh always name their team on Friday night under McGrath.
Looking forward to this. I think our full forward line can expose the flaws in the Mayo full back line. Nothing to fear at all. It's a free shot. If we can keep it tight going into the last 15 Mayo will be nervous. Wet and windy too like Sligo in 03.
Will Arlene be at the match ?
Quote from: seafoid on July 08, 2016, 04:36:51 PM
Will Arlene be at the match ?
Yes I am picking up her, Tom and Owen Carron
Quote from: Beffs on July 08, 2016, 04:03:35 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 08, 2016, 03:33:34 PM
They sure did but my point is they got out of that habit when 2012 and Jim Gavin came along. They also had the tendency to yield soft frees within scoring range but now they foul away and be damned further outfield.
Those counties in question managed to eradicate avoidable errors so not to give any advantage to the opposition.
Since day one, Aidan O' Sé, when he wins possession, puts the head down and tries to bull his way through the opposition. Invariably he loses possession because two or three will tackle him, knowing very well that he won't try to offload the ball to anyone else.
Dara Ó Sé wrote a very perceptive piece in his IT column some time after the Dubs got past Mayo in the semi last year.
He said it was time to stop feeling sorry for Mayo every time they lost a major championship game. Dar leis mar a déarfá, Mayo lost games they should have one if only they didn't keep shooting themselves in the foot time after time,when they had the winning of the game but chose not to take it.
Can't say I disagree with that.
It's a big flaw in his game, imo. That tendency of his to always charge forward, like a bull in a china shop. Maybe its an inevitable outcome from being so physically strong and imposing. He'll always want to go Route 1.
It is easy enough to say that he should lay it off to a team mate more. But that requires very quick feet, quick hands, lightening fast reflexes, speed of thought & an 'eyes in the back of your head' spatial awareness of where your team mates are. I'll stick with Brogan, as you brought up the Dubs, but all the great forwards have those attributes. Time and time again, Brogan gets his hands on the ball & the cavalry arrive to crowd him out. But in the blink of an eye, the ball somehow winds up in Andrews or Flynns hands. The white or flags are being raised, while the 3 defenders who were crawling up Brogans back passage, are wondering where the fcuk the ball went. Exhibit A - Philly McMahon's goal last year.
It's easy enough to say O'Shea should be following that game plan more. But he just doesn't have the supporting cast, that the other marquee forwards do, to pull it off. Nor can he just conjure up physical and mental attributes over night, that involve speed, agility, vision and dexterity, when his game has been based on pure power and raw physicality, since he was in short trousers.
I follow what you are saying alright but Aidan has shown in the past that he has agility and fast reflexes too. Not a bad sidestep and kick of either foot if required.
Remember his display against Donegal in the '13 QF?
Brogan is exceptionally good as a distributor and score-getter bbut he has the advantage of having plenty of fine footballers around him; players who are waiting for his next move.
Ó'Sé hasn't got that luxury and in any event, no coach, manager or general factotum has tried to bate some sense into him. Big brother and others couldn't land a kick in on top of his if they were to stick at it until the next millennium.
That's something than can be coached- damned if an intercounty with serious aspirations should need coaching in the first place.
Loose defending has cost Mayo dearly; Brogan;s goal in the '13 final and Donaghy's in Limerick the following year are testament to that. You could say the same about Murphy's and McFadden's goals in the '12 final also.
Now, do you think Jim Gavin would act quickly to sort out any such shortcomings if Dublin were guilty of the likes?
Eamonn Fitz wouldn't allow his team to carry on making self-inflicted mistakes game after game.
Neither would Mickey Harte or any other manager of a top team of any standing.
What amazes me is that Mayo have been so (relatively) successful in recent years, given their obvious shortcomings.
Lar, I stepped well short of implying or saying that he has feet of concrete. You don't get to be an inter county footballer at all, without much, much better than average reflexes and reactions. It's just that playing at midfield at in the full forward line, are two vastly different animals. The further out you are, the more time & space you have, to think about what you want to do with the ball & consider your options. More often than not, its just you, one on one with someone else. The closer you get to goal, space diminishes, as the mass defenses & the All Star full backs close in on you. Everything happens so quickly and you have less reaction & decision time. Everything happens so damm fast. Can he react & make the correct decisions in time, is the question. So far, he hasn't. It been full steam ahead and damm the torpedoes, usually to limited effect.
Can all these new skills be coached, when you haven't played much there before? I don't know. It depends on the player, his manager and supporting cast. His size is against him, as he will always lack the manouverability and nimbleness of a Brogan or a Cooper, or a McManus. Kieran Donaghy often makes it work, as he has basketball skills that translate very well to the full forward line. But even his size counts against him sometimes, when he gets muscled off the ball, or gets done for over carrying, when a Colm Cooper or a Conor McManus would probably win the free.
Age is on O'Shea's side, but the experiment was a failure last year. It's been a failure this year, so far. How long do you persist with it & when will peoples patience give out?
Following a Connacht GAA semi-final defeat to Galway last month manager Stephen Rochford makes three changes to his starting team. With David Clarke, Seamus O'Shea & Diarmuid O'Connor coming into the team replacing Robbie Hennelly & injured duo Tom Parsons & Jason Gibbons.
The Mayo team for tomorrows qualifier game against Fermanagh GAA in Elverys Sports MacHale Park at 3.30pm is:
1. David Clarke (Ballina Stephenites)
2. Brendan Harrison (Aghamore)
3. Kevin Keane (Westpory)
4. Keith Higgins (Ballyhaunis)
5. Lee Keegan (Westport)
6. Colm Boyle (Davitts)
7. Patrick Durcan (Castlebar Mitchels)
8. Seamus O'Shea (Breaffy)
9. Stephen Coen (Hollymount/Carramore)
10. Kevin McLoughlin (Knockmore)
11. Aidan O'Shea (Breaffy)
12. Diarmuid O'Connor (Ballintubber)
13. Evan Regan (Ballina Stephenites)
14. Jason Doherty (Burrishoole)
15. Cillian O'Connor (Ballintubber, captain).
Team Manager: Stephen Rochford.
Selectors: Donie Buckley, Tony McEntee & Sean Carey.
Cheers Farr
Will be interesting to see how they line up, who if anyone will play sweeper
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I have heard this will be the set-up?
1. David Clarke (Ballina Stephenites)
2. Brendan Harrison (Aghamore)
3. Kevin Keane (Westpory)
7. Patrick Durcan (Castlebar Mitchels)
5. Lee Keegan (Westport)
4. Keith Higgins (Ballyhaunis)
6. Colm Boyle (Davitts)
8. Seamus O'Shea (Breaffy)
9. Stephen Coen (Hollymount/Carramore)
14. Jason Doherty (Burrishoole)
10. Kevin McLoughlin (Knockmore)
12. Diarmuid O'Connor (Ballintubber)
13. Evan Regan (Ballina Stephenites)
11. Aidan O'Shea (Breaffy)
15. Cillian O'Connor (Ballintubber, captain).
That would look likely bunker. Looks like Rochford's team as well !!
Quote from: moysider on July 08, 2016, 08:31:28 PM
That would look likely bunker. Looks like Rochford's team as well !!
Not sure I'd have Paddy Durkan in the corner.
Looks like the management have finally copped on.
Looks like we will be pumping long kick outs to midfield and doing what we do best in there, winning dirty ball.
No sweeper I'd say so that means we will pressure their kick outs.
I expect us to score at least 2-12 in this game and can't see us conceding more that 1-10.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 08, 2016, 03:33:34 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 08, 2016, 02:13:58 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 08, 2016, 01:30:45 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 08, 2016, 01:18:22 AM
I wish we would just leave what has worked well alone. McLoughlin has been one of the best half forwards that we've ever had. Diarmuid O Connor as well even though he's only been there a year or 2. Same the half back line with Keegan, Boyle and now Durkan.
We've enough issues now with 3 of our most athletic players out - 2 of them (Cafferkey and Gibbons) for the year. Time to consolidate and rescue the year as best we can.
We tried to be too clever v Galway. I always wanted Higgins playing in half back line but v Galway he was playing a lot with his back to opposition goal rather than coming onto ball from deeper positions. A role reversal between Higgins and McLoughlin would have been better imo. Over the nearly years McLoughlin has been in the mix of some of the better things we ve done in attack and chipped in regularly with scores as well. It's all there on video if people want to check it out.
Apart from some glaring tactical errors in recent years the biggest failures we've had have been stupid individual decisions players have made. Unfortunately that lack of craftiness was still there in the recent Galway game. Worryingly, our top players still do the daftest things.
Amen, brother, a bloody men.
Your last paragraph just about sums up my frustration ever since James Horan took over the show.
I have seem the team gradually mature into the most skillful, athletic squad in the land.
Yet the team has snatched defeat from the jaws of victory time and time again.
Time after time, Mayo have gone into overdrive and built up substantial leads only to lift the foot off the pedal to let the opposition back in.
Couldn't see Dublin or Kerry doing that...
Neither Horan or anybody who followed him will go down in history as tactical geniuses but the managers are the only ones who screwed things up.
The present side, IMHO, still has what it takes to go the whole way but only if players and management have learned from the mistakes of the past.
Dubs pre 2011 did it loads of times. Cork footballers and Galway hurlers do it.
Mayo have to get out of the loop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rNPmj6Azqo
They sure did but my point is they got out of that habit when 2012 and Jim Gavin came along. They also had the tendency to yield soft frees within scoring range but now they foul away and be damned further outfield.
Those counties in question managed to eradicate avoidable errors so not to give any advantage to the opposition.
Since day one, Aidan O' Sé, when he wins possession, puts the head down and tries to bull his way through the opposition. Invariably he loses possession because two or three will tackle him, knowing very well that he won't try to offload the ball to anyone else.
Dara Ó Sé wrote a very perceptive piece in his IT column some time after the Dubs got past Mayo in the semi last year.
He said it was time to stop feeling sorry for Mayo every time they lost a major championship game. Dar leis mar a déarfá, Mayo lost games they should have one if only they didn't keep shooting themselves in the foot time after time,when they had the winning of the game but chose not to take it.
Can't say I disagree with that.
Aidan has a 'fear láidir' mentality, as Dara himself used to have.
Too often he tries to assert his physical dominance over his opponent(s) rather than doing the team thing.
It's too predictable and he needs to mix it up more.
Quote from: moysider on July 08, 2016, 08:31:28 PM
That would look likely bunker. Looks like Rochford's team as well !!
Rumour is that Aiden O'Se's granny picked the team
Quote from: Jinxy on July 08, 2016, 09:03:07 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 08, 2016, 03:33:34 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 08, 2016, 02:13:58 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 08, 2016, 01:30:45 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 08, 2016, 01:18:22 AM
I wish we would just leave what has worked well alone. McLoughlin has been one of the best half forwards that we've ever had. Diarmuid O Connor as well even though he's only been there a year or 2. Same the half back line with Keegan, Boyle and now Durkan.
We've enough issues now with 3 of our most athletic players out - 2 of them (Cafferkey and Gibbons) for the year. Time to consolidate and rescue the year as best we can.
We tried to be too clever v Galway. I always wanted Higgins playing in half back line but v Galway he was playing a lot with his back to opposition goal rather than coming onto ball from deeper positions. A role reversal between Higgins and McLoughlin would have been better imo. Over the nearly years McLoughlin has been in the mix of some of the better things we ve done in attack and chipped in regularly with scores as well. It's all there on video if people want to check it out.
Apart from some glaring tactical errors in recent years the biggest failures we've had have been stupid individual decisions players have made. Unfortunately that lack of craftiness was still there in the recent Galway game. Worryingly, our top players still do the daftest things.
Amen, brother, a bloody men.
Your last paragraph just about sums up my frustration ever since James Horan took over the show.
I have seem the team gradually mature into the most skillful, athletic squad in the land.
Yet the team has snatched defeat from the jaws of victory time and time again.
Time after time, Mayo have gone into overdrive and built up substantial leads only to lift the foot off the pedal to let the opposition back in.
Couldn't see Dublin or Kerry doing that...
Neither Horan or anybody who followed him will go down in history as tactical geniuses but the managers are the only ones who screwed things up.
The present side, IMHO, still has what it takes to go the whole way but only if players and management have learned from the mistakes of the past.
Dubs pre 2011 did it loads of times. Cork footballers and Galway hurlers do it.
Mayo have to get out of the loop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rNPmj6Azqo
They sure did but my point is they got out of that habit when 2012 and Jim Gavin came along. They also had the tendency to yield soft frees within scoring range but now they foul away and be damned further outfield.
Those counties in question managed to eradicate avoidable errors so not to give any advantage to the opposition.
Since day one, Aidan O' Sé, when he wins possession, puts the head down and tries to bull his way through the opposition. Invariably he loses possession because two or three will tackle him, knowing very well that he won't try to offload the ball to anyone else.
Dara Ó Sé wrote a very perceptive piece in his IT column some time after the Dubs got past Mayo in the semi last year.
He said it was time to stop feeling sorry for Mayo every time they lost a major championship game. Dar leis mar a déarfá, Mayo lost games they should have one if only they didn't keep shooting themselves in the foot time after time,when they had the winning of the game but chose not to take it.
Can't say I disagree with that.
Aidan has a 'fear láidir' mentality, as Dara himself used to have.
Too often he tries to assert his physical dominance over his opponent(s) rather than doing the team thing.
It's too predictable and he needs to mix it up more.
They call it the bullock run.
McLoughlin could excell at chf imo. If bunker's team lines out as he predicts.
Quote from: highorlow on July 08, 2016, 08:58:57 PM
Looks like the management have finally copped on.
Looks like we will be pumping long kick outs to midfield and doing what we do best in there, winning dirty ball.
No sweeper I'd say so that means we will pressure their kick outs.
I expect us to score at least 2-12 in this game and can't see us conceding more that 1-10.
I hope that's true. IMO Eoin Donnelly is one of the best midfielders about.
Quote from: muppet on July 08, 2016, 08:41:50 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 08, 2016, 08:31:28 PM
That would look likely bunker. Looks like Rochford's team as well !!
Not sure I'd have Paddy Durkan in the corner.
Agreed!
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 08, 2016, 09:27:40 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 08, 2016, 08:41:50 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 08, 2016, 08:31:28 PM
That would look likely bunker. Looks like Rochford's team as well !!
Not sure I'd have Paddy Durkan in the corner.
Agreed!
Yeah, but do Fermanagh play with 3 inside forwards?
12 years ago, that semi final, 1 kick of a ball away from ... Getting humped by Kerry too :(
Would still be a fantastic result to come away with a win tomorrow. #DareToDream ;)
Tomás Ó Sé on TG4 tonight reckons Mayo can still win this years senior All Ireland.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 08, 2016, 09:49:28 PM
Tomás Ó Sé on TG4 tonight reckons Mayo can still win this years senior All Ireland.
They can, they're still in it.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 08, 2016, 09:49:28 PM
Tomás Ó Sé on TG4 tonight reckons Mayo can still win this years senior All Ireland.
Tom is a funny man sometimes.
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 08, 2016, 09:08:18 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 08, 2016, 08:31:28 PM
That would look likely bunker. Looks like Rochford's team as well !!
Rumour is that Aiden O'Se's granny picked the team
The stuff I listened to today.
Seriously, one woman said she heard from a reliable source that the O Shea family insisted a Breaffy girl sang the anthem before the Galway game!! I kid you not.
Quote from: moysider on July 08, 2016, 09:56:09 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 08, 2016, 09:08:18 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 08, 2016, 08:31:28 PM
That would look likely bunker. Looks like Rochford's team as well !!
Rumour is that Aiden O'Se's granny picked the team
The stuff I listened to today.
Seriously, one woman said she heard from a reliable source that the O Shea family insisted a Breaffy girl sang the anthem before the Galway game!! I kid you not.
Probably closer to the truth than the indignant denials here in fairness.
Ahh man seriously syferis have you not a big CF to be thinking about and excited about.
Quote from: larryin89 on July 08, 2016, 10:18:52 PM
Ahh man seriously syferis have you not a big CF to be thinking about and excited about.
For the umpteenth time he is far more worried about what happens to Mayo tomorrow evening than what happens in salthill, it's so obvious that he is the biggest closest mayo supporter there is but he tries to cover it up badly.
Quote from: moysider on July 08, 2016, 09:56:09 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 08, 2016, 09:08:18 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 08, 2016, 08:31:28 PM
That would look likely bunker. Looks like Rochford's team as well !!
Rumour is that Aiden O'Se's granny picked the team
The stuff I listened to today.
Seriously, one woman said she heard from a reliable source that the O Shea family insisted a Breaffy girl sang the anthem before the Galway game!! I kid you not.
The O'Sheas rule the whole county with an iron fisht.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 08, 2016, 10:55:09 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 08, 2016, 09:56:09 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 08, 2016, 09:08:18 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 08, 2016, 08:31:28 PM
That would look likely bunker. Looks like Rochford's team as well !!
Rumour is that Aiden O'Se's granny picked the team
The stuff I listened to today.
Seriously, one woman said she heard from a reliable source that the O Shea family insisted a Breaffy girl sang the anthem before the Galway game!! I kid you not.
The O'Sheas rule the whole county with an iron fisht.
Given that, you can't see an All-Ireland in Mayo without the O'Sheas.
Quote from: moysider on July 08, 2016, 09:43:10 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 08, 2016, 09:27:40 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 08, 2016, 08:41:50 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 08, 2016, 08:31:28 PM
That would look likely bunker. Looks like Rochford's team as well !!
Not sure I'd have Paddy Durkan in the corner.
Agreed!
Yeah, but do Fermanagh play with 3 inside forwards?
If they play with 2 forwards, then I could see Durkan as a sweeper in there. He did that against Corofin when they were down to 14.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 08, 2016, 10:55:09 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 08, 2016, 09:56:09 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 08, 2016, 09:08:18 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 08, 2016, 08:31:28 PM
That would look likely bunker. Looks like Rochford's team as well !!
Rumour is that Aiden O'Se's granny picked the team
The stuff I listened to today.
Seriously, one woman said she heard from a reliable source that the O Shea family insisted a Breaffy girl sang the anthem before the Galway game!! I kid you not.
The O'Sheas rule the whole county with an iron fisht.
Nay lad. They ll never take the northern provinces of The Vale, Winterfell and Riverrun. We bend the knee to no southerns!!
Quote from: muppet on July 08, 2016, 11:00:45 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 08, 2016, 09:43:10 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 08, 2016, 09:27:40 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 08, 2016, 08:41:50 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 08, 2016, 08:31:28 PM
That would look likely bunker. Looks like Rochford's team as well !!
Not sure I'd have Paddy Durkan in the corner.
Agreed!
Yeah, but do Fermanagh play with 3 inside forwards?
If they play with 2 forwards, then I could see Durkan as a sweeper in there. He did that against Corofin when they were down to 14.
Exactly. We don't have any flea-bitten, flesh-eating corner backs around anyway. We're not Mead 20 yrs ago.
Colm Coyle did not have fleas.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 08, 2016, 11:44:36 PM
Colm Coyle did not have fleas.
No, but rabies surely.
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Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 08, 2016, 09:49:28 PM
Tomás Ó Sé on TG4 tonight reckons Mayo can still win this years senior All Ireland.
Plámás Ó Sé ;D
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 09, 2016, 02:36:22 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 08, 2016, 09:49:28 PM
Tomás Ó Sé on TG4 tonight reckons Mayo can still win this years senior All Ireland.
Plámás Ó Sé ;D
12/1 with PP is quite an attractive price .It is double the odds in 2014
Are Mayo only half as good now ?
Quigley hasn't set the world alight this year. What are the chances he'll come good today and everything he kicks within 30 yards goes over? Could happen you know.
Are the other 2 Quigley brothers totally out of the loop now with the Fermanagh county team?
Quote from: PW Nally on July 09, 2016, 08:45:22 AM
Are the other 2 Quigley brothers totally out of the loop now with the Fermanagh county team?
Unfortunately yes.
Conor would struggle to make the team at present but he would be there or there abouts.
Seamie is Seamie unfortunately. Outstanding talent but Malachy O Rourke, Peter Canavan and Pete McGrath have all roaded him.
Quote from: FermGael on July 09, 2016, 09:45:30 AM
Quote from: PW Nally on July 09, 2016, 08:45:22 AM
Are the other 2 Quigley brothers totally out of the loop now with the Fermanagh county team?
Unfortunately yes.
Conor would struggle to make the team at present but he would be there or there abouts.
Seamie is Seamie unfortunately. Outstanding talent but Malachy O Rourke, Peter Canavan and Pete McGrath have all roaded him.
With Corrigan looking like a real dangerous scoring threat where could Seamie be fitted in if about?
This game is tailor made for an upset. Mayo look like a busted flush at this stage and Fermanagh had similar league form to Galway, have a good record in the qualifiers and have nothing to lose.
Definitely wouldn't be surprised to see an upset here, if the attitude isn't right on our side, we'll come a cropper. If the attitude is right, we'll win by 3+
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 09, 2016, 11:15:52 AM
Definitely wouldn't be surprised to see an upset here, if the attitude isn't right on our side, we'll come a cropper. If the attitude is right, we'll win by 3+
I was gobsmacked by the Galway result alright but Mayo were cat lucky against Roscommon in 2011 and again against Sligo the following year. Luck ran out and Mayo paid dearly for taken the opposition for granted when they lost to Galway. They better give the opposition proper respect this afternoon but I imagine they have got their wake up call by now and should finish with a feww points to spare.
Either way, it's up to Mayo to win or lose.
listening to Dessie Dolan on RTE, so predictable. If you pulled some old boy out of a local bar, I have a feeling he may be better.
Best of luck to our neighbours today.
One change on the Mayo team.The OSheas preferring Alan Freeman to Jason Doc
Quote from: joemamas on July 09, 2016, 03:17:28 PM
listening to Dessie Dolan on RTE, so predictable. If you pulled some old boy out of a local bar, I have a feeling he may be better.
Comes across as a very nice guy though.
I don't think Fermanagh are scoring enough this year to cause upset in this game but best of luck to them anyway.
If only managers listened to Marty Morrisey and Tom Carr.
Tommy Carr!!
Giving off about fermanagh scoring a point. Giving off about fermanagh not taking a free kick quick despite the referee not letting them take it ffs.
And he's already talking crap about the black card.
This commentary is brutal. Is that Tommy Carr?
Quote from: joemamas on July 09, 2016, 03:17:28 PM
listening to Dessie Dolan on RTE, so predictable. If you pulled some old boy out of a local bar, I have a feeling he may be better.
It's almost as bad as listening to Jimmy and Peter giving Ulster football a blowjob every time they speak.
Quote from: square_ball on July 09, 2016, 03:40:47 PM
Tommy Carr!!
Giving off about fermanagh scoring a point. Giving off about fermanagh not taking a free kick quick despite the referee not letting them take it ffs.
And he's already talking crap about the black card.
Just beat me to it. Him and Marty discussing Fermanaghs tactics is embarrassing
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 09, 2016, 03:43:31 PM
Quote from: square_ball on July 09, 2016, 03:40:47 PM
Tommy Carr!!
Giving off about fermanagh scoring a point. Giving off about fermanagh not taking a free kick quick despite the referee not letting them take it ffs.
And he's already talking crap about the black card.
Just beat me to it. Him and Marty discussing Fermanaghs tactics is embarrassing
It is tortuous. Really really bad.
Good work early on from Fermanagh undone by giving away a soft goal with poor defending.
3 kickouts screwed up by us already.
That needs to be sorted fast.
Two fuckin whingers commentating. Its really ruining this . Tom Carr sounds like a simpleton. Should reallypetition RTE to sort this shit out.
Fermanagh are having a McQuillan patch.
Quote from: muppet on July 09, 2016, 03:49:25 PM
Fermanagh are having a McQuillan patch.
The match isn't twenty minutes in and Mayo's performance is already the ref's fault. Jesus wept.
AOS diving there. McQuillan patch..
Mayo now getting a McQuillan patch.
We need to switch Higgins and McLoughlin.
Is it too late to enter AOS in the Olympic diving competition?
Either AOS gets battered and doesn't get the free and or he clearly dives and gets the free.
Referee not consistent at all
Do Mayo practice shooting at all?
What station is this on?
I'm trying rte1 on a stream and all I get is 'effin horse racing, Newmarket I think.
Quote from: Main Street on July 09, 2016, 04:03:56 PM
What station is this on?
I'm trying rte1 on a stream and all I get is 'effin horse racing, Newmarket I think.
RTE One. Are you watching a stream of the +1 station or something?
I love that Marty Morrisey is still completely amazed when a back goes forward, or when a forward helps out at the back.
Wait 'till he sees Brian Dooher.
Quote from: Main Street on July 09, 2016, 04:03:56 PM
What station is this on?
I'm trying rte1 on a stream and all I get is 'effin horse racing, Newmarket I think.
It's on RTE 1. If you're outside the country, it's blocked, coz they want you to pay for GAAGO. You'll need an IP unblocker like Hola.
Still fancy Mayo for this as breeze very strong
Deserved half time lead for Fermanagh but with that strong wind i doubt a six point lead will be enough.
Fermanagh are the real romantics side in the Championship, they don't play reputations, they play with belief.
Mayo should win this easily in second half with that breeze
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What station is this on?
I'm trying rte1 on a stream and all I get is 'effin horse racing, Newmarket I think.
It's on RTE 1. If you're outside the country, it's blocked, coz they want you to pay for GAAGO. You'll need an IP blocker like Hola
You can get rte on this page
http://nowwatchtvlive.co (http://nowwatchtvlive.co)
under the
UK channels in the menu :o
and on all other sports streaming sites, when you click on the link to the game, it's just horse racing.
Quote from: LilySavage on July 09, 2016, 03:49:13 PM
Two fuckin whingers commentating. Its really ruining this . Tom Carr sounds like a simpleton. Should reallypetition RTE to sort this shit out.
Will someone give Carr a intercounty job. He loves talking dung on TV. Surely they could have Tomas O'Se or Ciaran Whelan as co commintator for tele?
Harrison not good enough for this level at this point, same v Galway
Coen same, maybe we are expecting too much from him, he is only 21.
Freeman too lax coughs up ball too easily, was responsible for Fermanagh point at 31 mins, due to shitty tackling.
Only half time, but we need to improve big time,
Fermanagh will load up backs.
Joe MQ will have a huge bearing on result.
Not direct enough from half forwards line up, way too much checking back
Fermanagh will park the bus against the wind and this will be very tough for Mayo.
If the blanket concedes soft frees we will be fine, if not this could be a long 35 minutes.
Joe Reffing it very well. If Mayo cannot beat Fermanagh at home they can only blame themselves, not the ref.
Jesus I hate seeing this choke tackle in GAA.
One back quickly anyway from a handy enough free.
AOS a lucky boy. On a yellow and just pulls back a Fermanagh player running clear in midfield.
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AOS a lucky boy. On a yellow and just pulls back a Fermanagh player running clear in midfield.
Ref bottled it.
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AOS a lucky boy. On a yellow and just pulls back a Fermanagh player running clear in midfield.
Hopefully Mayo lads remember today when they say AOS never gets the rub from refs..
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AOS a lucky boy. On a yellow and just pulls back a Fermanagh player running clear in midfield.
Should have got 2nd yellow
There is not a ref alive who has the balls to give Aidan O'Shea a black card, especially not in Castlebar.
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There is not a ref alive who has the balls to give Aidan O'Shea a black card, especially not in Castlebar.
He got a red against you in Castlebar a few years ago.
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There is not a ref alive who has the balls to give Aidan O'Shea a black card, especially not in Castlebar.
He got a red against you in Castlebar a few years ago.
Who do you mean by "you" ?
McQuillan seems very picky on the hand on the back. Not sure some of them are worth blowing for frees but it's the one thing he seems consistent about.
Ballina Jesus had his moment for glory there.
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There is not a ref alive who has the balls to give Aidan O'Shea a black card, especially not in Castlebar.
He got a red against you in Castlebar a few years ago.
Who do you mean by "you" ?
Your county.
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There is not a ref alive who has the balls to give Aidan O'Shea a black card, especially not in Castlebar.
He got a red against you in Castlebar a few years ago.
Who do you mean by "you" ?
Your county.
Which would be? 8)
1 point in it and 14 minutes left. Mayo should see it out from here.
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There is not a ref alive who has the balls to give Aidan O'Shea a black card, especially not in Castlebar.
He got a red against you in Castlebar a few years ago.
Who do you mean by "you" ?
Your county.
Which would be? 8)
You are a Jackeen.
"It's sportsmanship" Cheers Tommy!
Mayos game to lose now Fermanagh struggling to hold on.
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Quote from: Beffs on July 09, 2016, 04:37:51 PM
There is not a ref alive who has the balls to give Aidan O'Shea a black card, especially not in Castlebar.
He got a red against you in Castlebar a few years ago.
Who do you mean by "you" ?
Your county.
Which would be? 8)
You are a Jackeen.
Nope.
It's a draw. 11 mins left. Tommy Carr says Fermanagh need to score next to have any chance. What an idiot.
Absolutely disgusting.
Ah jaysus Joe that is poor. A dive.
McQuillan has absolutely raped Fermanagh.
Shocking.
Ban for O'Shea and massive outrage you would assume.....
Player-Manger Aidan O'Shea with the game-wining dive.
Joke of a decision >:(
Aiden O'se is an embarrassment! Worse than McCann last year! Cheat!
Shameful dive from AOS how can a penalty be given for that?
Sniper in castlebar
O'shea what a diving cheating git.
What a joke, disgraceful decision. Hang your head Aiden.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 09, 2016, 04:55:06 PM
Shameful dive from AOS how can a penalty be given for that?
Needs a ban for that. Shameful cheating all day.
McQuillan as usual a joke of a referee. AOS had been diving all match too. Media outrage. ..nah, course not
wouldn't blame the referee there, thats AOS fault all day, referee conned
Cute Kerryman.
Outrageous decision !
Great comeback by Mayo.
Not forgetting that O'Se should have been sitting in the stand. Let's call a spade a spade here. That was disgusting.
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wouldn't blame the referee there, thats AOS fault all day, referee conned
He gave a penalty for fcuk all. That's his fault.
He clearly indicated that he gave it for a jersey pull that no one else saw.
Disgraceful dive by AOS. Let's wait and see if he Les lambasted on the Sunday Game in the same way that McCann from Tyrone was.
Shameful from o shea
The STATE of AOS there
"The Toughest' my arse. Should hang his head in shame
Sad to say from a Fermanagh perspective anyway but McQuillan has rode them today.
Shame on Aidan o'shea. Disgraceful I hope the mayo supporters have the balls to criticize this bull shyte
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wouldn't blame the referee there, thats AOS fault all day, referee conned
He gave a penalty for fcuk all. That's his fault.
i blame the player more than the referee, dived, something we need to stamp out
Jesus, get Carr off RTE....absolute tool
Surely if Mayo had any decency they would offer Fermanagh a replay! Whelo surely will call for a public apology etc etc etc!
Hopefully Mayo go on to do thier usual bottle job.
Disgusting from McQuillan
O'Se dived, no question about it.
The complete outrage from Tyrone posters is hysterically funny though.
Wonder if AOS will be considered less of a man by Brolly now
It's a habit all mayo players have.
Quote from: sligoman2 on July 09, 2016, 05:00:45 PM
Shame on Aidan o'shea. Disgraceful I hope the mayo supporters have the balls to criticize this bull shyte
I wouldn't be holding my breath. It will be along the lines of sure poor Aidan doesn't get half the frees he is due.
Quote from: muppet on July 09, 2016, 05:02:28 PM
O'Se dived, no question about it.
The complete outrage from Tyrone posters is hysterically funny though.
But.....it's so refreshing to see that believe it or not, other counties are just as cynical. Sure who would believe it?
I was surprised that Alan came on before Andy, but having seen both I can see why.
5 points from o'shea dives plus twice he should have got a black card. Would put you off GAA and the powers that be will do nothing to stamp out such cheating.
What I don't get about the penalty, is why the umpires didn't tell the ref it was a blatant dive job. Surely to God, between the 3 of them, one of them saw that no foul took place. Where the bleep were they looking at the time?
Hard luck Fermanagh deserved better. Lucky lucky Mayo.
Quote from: NetNitrate on July 09, 2016, 05:05:50 PM
5 points from o'shea dives plus twice he should have got a black card. Would put you off GAA and the powers that be will do nothing to stamp out such cheating.
I thought he should have had two yellows, where did you see two black cards?
Mayo supporters running on the pitch like they won the AI...embarrassing stuff
O'Shea is some joke, what a cheat.
Mayo have peaked...now a very ordinary team.
Quote from: tyroneman on July 09, 2016, 05:08:22 PM
Mayo supporters running on the pitch like they won the AI...embarrassing stuff
Hey Dr. killjoy.
Little kids for the most part
Quote from: tyroneman on July 09, 2016, 05:08:22 PM
Mayo supporters running on the pitch like they won the AI...embarrassing stuff
Look, it is hard enough to like Tyrone as it is.....but attacking kids for celebrating is just sad.
Think running on to pitch is a tradition in mayo .Same as joe mc quillan and his umpires seen one of them, a failed inter county referee telling the ballinagh man that o shea had been pulled back.
What's the odds that there'll be a key moment in one of Mayo's next games where O'Shea doesn't get a penalty when there is a legitimate foul
Mayo can thank Joe mcquillan for that.
Dive from o shea and he should have been black carded before that .
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There is not a ref alive who has the balls to give Aidan O'Shea a black card, especially not in Castlebar.
He got a red against you in Castlebar a few years ago.
Who do you mean by "you" ?
Your county.
Which would be? 8)
You are a Jackeen.
Nope.
Of course you are.
Quote from: skeog on July 09, 2016, 05:12:41 PM
Think running on to pitch is a tradition in mayo .Same as joe mc quillan and his umpires seen one of them, a failed inter county referee telling the ballinagh man that o shea had been pulled back.
Doubt if it was a penalty unless ankle was clipped.
Having said that, he is fouled every time he has the ball and because of his size he will not get the initial call
Quote from: muppet on July 09, 2016, 05:02:28 PM
O'Se dived, no question about it.
The complete outrage from Tyrone posters is hysterically funny though.
Outrage at the inevitable downplaying of the incident, it's nothing new with O'Shea, he does it the whole time but the reputation hasn't stuck, if he had played for Tyrone.......
There you are lads it's wasn't a dive it was opportunist according to dessie!
The old post match analysis is a bit mealy mouthed here. Kinda move along nothing to see here variety.
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Think running on to pitch is a tradition in mayo .Same as joe mc quillan and his umpires seen one of them, a failed inter county referee telling the ballinagh man that o shea had been pulled back.
Doubt if it was a penalty unless ankle was clipped.
Having said that, he is fouled every time he has the ball and because of his size he will not get the initial call
Tired of hearing this.
He puts his head down and charges most times he gets the ball, which should be a free out.
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wouldn't blame the referee there, thats AOS fault all day, referee conned
He gave a penalty for fcuk all. That's his fault.
i blame the player more than the referee, dived, something we need to stamp out
I agree, that's where you need bans for diving like that.
It might do Mayo a bit of good to embrace this side of the game more often. I'm sure they are sick of being the plucky losers every year.
Joe McQuillan clearly indicated a pull on jersey and ticked Cullen accordingly. Forgetting the blatant dive,what the hell did McQuillan 'see' to give the penalty for a jersey pull???
Posting on the outcome of a Mayo game from outsiders seems to have reached an all time high. I thought we were finished, but a lot on here seem to be getting their knickers in a twist, so maybe we might still have a say come September😃😃😃
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Think running on to pitch is a tradition in mayo .Same as joe mc quillan and his umpires seen one of them, a failed inter county referee telling the ballinagh man that o shea had been pulled back.
Doubt if it was a penalty unless ankle was clipped.
Having said that, he is fouled every time he has the ball and because of his size he will not get the initial call
Tired of hearing this.
He puts his head down and charges most times he gets the ball, which should be a free out.
Exactly.
Impossible to tackle a player like that fairly. He should be blown for charging almost every time he gets the ball.
Not to mention the black card he escaped at the start of the second half.
Not a fan of Burns at all....pussyfooting around the issue. It was a dive...end of. Still think Mayo would have won by 1 or 2, but just call it for what it fcuken is.
What does he have to do to get a free? He got two frees in front of goal for dives too. Mannequins from Dunnes Store window would offer better analysis than these two GAA Bots.
Absolutely deflated after that. We deserved so much more than that. Aidan O'Shea hang your head in shame and McQuillan also.
We may not have won the game without the penalty decision but who knows. It was there for taking when O'Shea threw himself to the ground. The constant patronising of Fermanagh is really annoying also but I suppose that's to be expected from RTE.
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Think running on to pitch is a tradition in mayo .Same as joe mc quillan and his umpires seen one of them, a failed inter county referee telling the ballinagh man that o shea had been pulled back.
Doubt if it was a penalty unless ankle was clipped.
Having said that, he is fouled every time he has the ball and because of his size he will not get the initial call
Tired of hearing this.
He puts his head down and charges most times he gets the ball, which should be a free out.
Fair point, but the initial tackle is often a jersey tug or a pullback, at which stage heirs crowded out and frequently does end up over carrying
Sunday Game totally sit on the fence, it's a dive, Dessie & Jarlath afraid of their shadow to call it. Mayo going nowhere anyway but feel sorry for Fermanagh
The chairman of the of the "Vote for Jarlath Party" is in the house tonight, lads. So everything will be utterly wonderful and represents what is great about our national game. There is no way you are going to get him to actually utter the magic words "dive" or "cheating p***k" or "scourge of our sport." :(
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Mayo supporters running on the pitch like they won the AI...embarrassing stuff
Look, it is hard enough to like Tyrone as it is.....but attacking kids for celebrating is just sad.
No issue with kids running on but plenty of adults were on there also..they are the ones who should have a little more cop on...and maybe show a little more embarrassment.
Had to laugh at Higgins being interviewed. He literally put his tongue in his cheek when he said he though it was a penalty.
We need to re-think the McLoughlin-Higgins positions. Maybe we could look at Boyle as well. He is a terrific tenacious defender, but is often a poor decision maker high up the pitch and gives away ball too easily. Boyle should always stay at home imho.
Good to see Barry and Alan make a difference when they came in but relying and Alan & Andy as impact forwards won't work very often. I thought Andy's decision making was very poor. There was another goal on at the end until he overplayed it.
As for the forwards, what exactly is the plan to score points? Lee Keegan with the outside of the boot? Cillian from outside the 45? We need a lot more than that.
Quote from: muppet on July 09, 2016, 05:05:21 PM
I was surprised that Alan came on before Andy, but having seen both I can see why.
Totally agree.
Andy Moran played today like his sole aim was adding to his stats. Not what you would expect from a veteran player, very poor IMO
They're saying on the tele that Mayo were the better team and were going to win the game in any case no matter about the penalty - crystal ball stuff. There was 5 minutes left and Fermanagh were ahead. If I were a Fermanagh player or supporter I'd be very proud of the team and that performance but raging with the ref and the patronising of my team.
When Marty Morrissey is calling it dive (numerous times) you know you are in trouble. It takes A LOT from wee Marty to say anything negative about a player.
it was a dive all day long but still think mayo would have won. exciting match ruined by marty morissey and tommy carr on commentary, jaysus they are hard to listen to.
Not sure the point of Jarlath Burns doing punditry. Political ambitions means he clearly doesn't want to offend anyone with actual opinions and stuff.
Quote from: Beffs on July 09, 2016, 05:21:58 PM
The chairman of the of the "Vote for Jarlath Party" is in the house tonight, lads. So everything will be utterly wonderful and represents what is great about our national game. There is no way you are going to get him to actually utter the magic words "dive" or "cheating p***k" or "scourge of our sport." :(
He did just say it, about 10 minutes after most people stopped watching.
Fair play Jarlath...took you long enough though !
Jarlath is now the bad cop and Dessie is the good cop.
Or is it the other way around?
Hard to keep up.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 09, 2016, 05:27:57 PM
Jarlath is now the bad cop and Dessie is the good cop.
Or is it the other way around?
Hard to keep up.
He was going for the 'making the most of the contact' angle - what a load of shite, blatant dive.
Who can Mayo play now?
This Mayo team are finished. Have been poor all season and I think they will have a very short summer. I'd rank them about 8 or 9 th in the country they have slipped so badly this year.
As far as the penalty incident goes, RTE pundits done a serious bit of fence sitting, PR men to the bone.
Cillian O'Connor is the Man of The Match? :o
Are they taking the piss?
Rochford was sweating bullets as he tried to explain that shameful AOS dive.
Jarlath says that his job to call players out for diving and goes on to say that Aidan has to get killed to get frees but that " that moment " wasn't one of Aidan's finest moments.
Get aff the fence.
How did Cillian O'Connor get MOTM? He was marked out of it.
They've interviewed everybody except Pete McGrath - probably because he would have called a spade a spade!
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Cillian O'Connor is the Man of The Match? :o
Are they taking the piss?
Tommy Carr picked it . . .
RTE commentary and analysis just awful. Not knowing the difference between the terms gamesmanship and sportsmanship for one thing :o
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Cillian O'Connor is the Man of The Match? :o
Are they taking the piss?
Hard to know who was man of the match. No real outstanding performances. Keegan had a few highlights reel stuff so maybe him. Breen for Fermanagh as well.
But I would give it to Joe. :D
Well said Pete McGrath.
Quote from: north down on July 09, 2016, 05:31:33 PM
They've interviewed everybody except Pete McGrath - probably because he would have called a spade a spade!
McGrath is a still class act. Hard to disagree with him.
Good man Pete.
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They've interviewed everybody except Pete McGrath - probably because he would have called a spade a spade!
McGrath is a still class act. Hard to disagree with him.
+1
Dessie Dolan is a p***k
That is quality telly. It would be great if all managers watched the games controversial talking points back on the monitor, live on the air.
Dessie now shifting ground - now wants a video ref. He must be feeling embarrassed over his earlier comments.
Quote from: Beffs on July 09, 2016, 05:39:53 PM
That is quality telly. It would be great if all managers watched the games controversial talking points back on the monitor, live on the air.
Yeah that was fun, almost got Pete riled up, still handled it in a fairly gentlemanly way.
Quote from: north down on July 09, 2016, 05:40:39 PM
Dessie now shifting ground - now wants a video ref. He must be feeling embarrassed over his earlier comments.
Westmeath have to bring it to congress now. ;)
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Cillian O'Connor is the Man of The Match? :o
Are they taking the piss?
Tommy Carr picked it . . .
Cillian looked fairly pi**ed off when getting it, he was probably wondering were the lads in RTE taking the mickey; Marty should have explained to him that it was Tommy's decision.
Pity they didn't show the video playback to the Mayo manager.
Dolan is a candidate for the worst pundit on tv. Says absolutely nothing and is afraid to say anything controversial. Probably a sound fellow off tv but it's his job to give an opinion and call it as he sees it ffs.
Quote from: north down on July 09, 2016, 05:43:07 PM
Pity they didn't show the video playback to the Mayo manager.
Yeah. That would have been good. You'd see more realistic fantasy on Game of Thrones, than Roachford trying to justify that penalty decision. ;D
In fairness, what's he supposed to say.
So was it a dive then?
Quote from: Jinxy on July 09, 2016, 05:45:39 PM
In fairness, what's he supposed to say.
Rochford has mastered the art of answering any question with a three minute rambling response that sounds like something someone coming down from LSD would say if you asked them what the meaning of life was.
Quote from: FermGael on July 09, 2016, 05:14:26 PM
Mayo can thank Joe mcquillan for that.
Dive from o shea and he should have been black carded before that .
Very poor stuff from AOS in fairness. Haven't seen it back but it looked a certain dive from the stand.
Quote from: Tubberman on July 09, 2016, 05:49:04 PM
So was it a dive then?
I think so.
Unless another angle shows a trip or something but there is very little contact from what I can see. However the full-back does a Ricey afterwards and falls on the player on the ground. That is not smart with McQuillan.
Rockford will be thankful for the AOS incident as it masks over what was another poor performance from a jaded looking outfit.
Aw well, s@@t happens I guess. I thought Donnelly was immense for Fermanagh. Hopefully Pete stays on for another year yet.
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What station is this on?
I'm trying rte1 on a stream and all I get is 'effin horse racing, Newmarket I think.
It's on RTE 1. If you're outside the country, it's blocked, coz they want you to pay for GAAGO. You'll need an IP blocker like Hola
You can get rte on this page
http://nowwatchtvlive.co (http://nowwatchtvlive.co)
under the UK channels in the menu :o
and on all other sports streaming sites, when you click on the link to the game, it's just horse racing.
My VPN warned me to get the hell out of it when I went to set up an account. They advertise that the account will be free but then look for credit card and other security details before you can proceed.
B Moran made a big difference when he came on as did Vaughan and Dillon. Fermanagh didn't have the fitness to keep it going for the second half. Huge improvement needed from Mayo if they're to play football in Aug though.
Feel gutted about that, Fermanagh may or may not have held on but to lose to that is awful.
O'Shea is simply a cheat and McQ made a shocking decision.
But lets be honest it will blow over, after all it was only wee Fermanagh and the GAA are delighted Mayo won. In a few weeks O'Shea will be hailed as superstar etc and McQ will be out as ref in a big game, that is the reality. The GAA will just stick its head in the sand, nothing to see here.
Only way to stop it is big bans after TV replays, but that is not going to happen. Two umpires standing next to it too, but as usual no input to decision.
Quote from: Fermanaghandsam on July 09, 2016, 06:01:53 PM
Feel gutted about that, Fermanagh may or may not have held on but to lose to that is awful.
O'Shea is simply a cheat and McQ made a shocking decision.
But lets be honest it will blow over, after all it was only wee Fermanagh and the GAA are delighted Mayo won. In a few weeks O'Shea will be hailed as superstar etc and McQ will be out as ref in a big game, that is the reality. The GAA will just stick its head in the sand, nothing to see here.
Only way to stop it is big bans after TV replays, but that is not going to happen. Two umpires standing next to it too, but as usual no input to decision.
Sure the penalty was a dive, it shouldn't mask that Fermanagh only scored 2 points in the second half.
I have seen some soft penalties in my time but none softer than that one today. How can a experienced ref like Joe McQuillan give that penalty and was the other officials blind folded? More questions than answers for Mayo after that win.
Agree, but we were one up with 6 to go still, so who knows. I am certainly not saying Fermanagh deserved to win and would have won.
We may or may not have held on, its the fact we lost to such obvious cheating that is the issue and it will be ignored by the GAA top brass. The fact it was wee Fermanagh makes it even easier for them to do that. It took them 10 mins on RTE for the pundits to even call it a dive FFS.
O'Shea actually dived for a free in the first half that was pointed so Mayo scored 1-1 directly from his dives today. Not to mention he probably should have seen the line midway through the second half. Now I know sometimes he doesn't get frees he may have deserved but not sure this type of carry on is going to be good for him or Mayo in the long term. Refs will surely be wary of being conned by him now.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 09, 2016, 06:18:08 PM
O'Shea actually dived for a free in the first half that was pointed so Mayo scored 1-1 directly from his dives today. Not to mention he probably should have seen the line midway through the second half. Now I know sometimes he doesn't get frees he may have deserved but not sure this type of carry on is going to be good for him or Mayo in the long term. Refs will surely be wary of being conned by him now.
I think McQuillan was probably reacting to the complete reverse commentary that we have had for the likes of O'Se and Michael Murphy last year.
Mayo lads will hardly be complaining about O'Shea not getting frees after this?!
And still no mention of Cillians clear cut penalty.
Quote from: larryin89 on July 09, 2016, 06:29:29 PM
And still no mention of Cillians clear cut penalty.
Err, because it wasn't a penalty
Have we got GAA Version of that portugal man mountain Pepe lol
Quote from: larryin89 on July 09, 2016, 06:29:29 PM
And still no mention of Cillians clear cut penalty.
Actually didn't think that was a penalty myself. One of those debatable ones. Definitely wouldn't say clear cut anyway.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 09, 2016, 06:28:23 PM
Mayo lads will hardly be complaining about O'Shea not getting frees after this?!
Underestimate them at your peril.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 09, 2016, 06:33:04 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on July 09, 2016, 06:29:29 PM
And still no mention of Cillians clear cut penalty.
Actually didn't think that was a penalty myself. One of those debatable ones. Definitely wouldn't say clear cut anyway.
I thought the defender panicked when he fumbled the ball to O'Connor and wrapped his arms around his waist, grabbing him. Probably a peno but when play continued O'Connor then went to ground again. 2nd one definitely wasn't a pen, but this must have started playing on McQuillan's mind.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 09, 2016, 06:33:04 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on July 09, 2016, 06:29:29 PM
And still no mention of Cillians clear cut penalty.
Actually didn't think that was a penalty myself. One of those debatable ones. Definitely wouldn't say clear cut anyway.
Cillians not clear cut but the dive was. I suspect Mayo supporters will rue this when they get to Croke Park they may hope Joe and O'Rourke arn't asked to comment on it.
Quote from: SkillfulBill on July 09, 2016, 06:39:59 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 09, 2016, 06:33:04 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on July 09, 2016, 06:29:29 PM
And still no mention of Cillians clear cut penalty.
Actually didn't think that was a penalty myself. One of those debatable ones. Definitely wouldn't say clear cut anyway.
Cillians not clear cut but the dive was. I suspect Mayo supporters will rue this when they get to Croke Park they may hope Joe and O'Rourke arn't asked to comment on it.
I'd say Mayo supporters won't sleep a wink for the rest of the summer worrying about what Joe Brolly has to say about things.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 09, 2016, 06:35:24 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 09, 2016, 06:28:23 PM
Mayo lads will hardly be complaining about O'Shea not getting frees after this?!
Underestimate them at your peril.
now now, be nice. At least you have a summer free from football stress.
AOS done himself no favours going forward, he dived 4 times today, only on the last occasion was a free given against him; He'll do well to get much from any ref for the rest of the championship. Mayo would likely have won irrespective of getting the pen too. I didn't think that was a pen on COC but would need to see it again. Is he still Dublin Joe?
I thought that even a poor performance than the last day, good job Mayo won a huge majority of the kickouts otherwise they'd have been in huge trouble. Agree with Muppet, Mayo look a bit devoid of ideas going forward; They had a lot of possession in Fermanagh's half especially in the first half whilst struggling to create scoring opportunities whilst every time Fermanagh went down the other end they scored.
Mayo deserved to win but I've seen nothing from them this year to suggest their All Ireland contenders.
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Rory didnt hang about long !!
Quote from: larryin89 on July 09, 2016, 06:29:29 PM
And still no mention of Cillians clear cut penalty.
That was another dive.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 09, 2016, 07:05:12 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on July 09, 2016, 06:29:29 PM
And still no mention of Cillians clear cut penalty.
That was another dive.
In fairness to Cillian O Connor at least he tried to make a dive looked like a foul.
Quote from: larryin89 on July 09, 2016, 06:29:29 PM
And still no mention of Cillians clear cut penalty.
Never a penalty.
He did his best to make it one, in fairness.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 09, 2016, 07:03:08 PM
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Rory didnt hang about long !!
Without looking at it I'll say it's not funny..
Quote from: Boycey on July 09, 2016, 07:28:30 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 09, 2016, 07:03:08 PM
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Rory didnt hang about long !!
Without looking at it I'll say it's not funny..
It isn't, but it looked more of a penalty.
Well we (Mayo) are still in it. Two home games in a row and two dodgy performances. Today was an improvement. I was disappointed with Regan being subbed when the game was opening up. Andy, I think decided there was a lot of me in team. The difference in Andy and Alans contribution was a case on which to measure both players value to the team.
We are through to the next round, that is commendable. But we are a mess at every line. Maybe that is an exaggeration, more we are unsettled at every line.
Our Subs that came on to bring us home were old Skool, Barry, Dillon, Andy - Does not augur well for the future! But I suppose you have to deal with the here and now - now!
Not to sound condescending, Fermanagh fought really hard, won a lot of dirty ball and scored some really good points from play. If they had won the toss and played against the wind first - we would have been in more trouble. I have found their fans in triumph and defeat decent people to mingle with after a game.
Man of the Match - Diarmiud.
More later.....
The penalty is completely a non matter if mcquillan would had done his job properly. O Shea should have received a black card 10 minutes into the second half and been sent off. That was the biggest mistake of the game. It was a blatant pull down.
Quote from: muppet on July 09, 2016, 05:54:43 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on July 09, 2016, 05:49:04 PM
So was it a dive then?
I think so.
Unless another angle shows a trip or something but there is very little contact from what I can see. However the full-back does a Ricey afterwards and falls on the player on the ground. That is not smart with McQuillan.
FFS he tripped on AOS's legs after he had did his Star fish impression. Disappointing to see this sort of cheating changing a game.
Some level of cynism on show for the last ten mins to slow down Fermanagh. This is not a childish 'if this was Tyrone...' post, btw. Just calling it as I see it.
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 09, 2016, 08:29:33 PM
Some level of cynism on show for the last ten mins to slow down Fermanagh. This is not a childish 'if this was Tyrone...' post, btw. Just calling it as I see it.
Ah ffs, that's seen in every club and county game. Any team not doing it is lambasted for being naive.
Quote from: Tubberman on July 09, 2016, 08:38:14 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 09, 2016, 08:29:33 PM
Some level of cynism on show for the last ten mins to slow down Fermanagh. This is not a childish 'if this was Tyrone...' post, btw. Just calling it as I see it.
Ah ffs, that's seen in every club and county game. Any team not doing it is lambasted for being naive.
maybe in Mayo...
Referee Mc Quillan had another one of his Tour de Farce performances today again, shocking -- A O'Shea should have been long gone by the time he did is dying swan act.
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 09, 2016, 08:29:33 PM
Some level of cynism on show for the last ten mins to slow down Fermanagh. This is not a childish 'if this was Tyrone...' post, btw. Just calling it as I see it.
Fermanagh had their own level of slowing things down etc. And I have to say I admired their attempts at frustrating us by doing this. The game is a game ruled by the Referee. If he is strong enough, he'll cope. If not he'll be walked over by the experienced team.
I hope we meet Tyrone along the way. Love to beat them boys at their own game.
Obviously the Brexit is having a bad effect on their minds with the scurrilous post on here.
We were long overdue a decision in our favour, every team gets one at some stage and some teams more than others. Maybe it's because Tyrone come across as absolute whingers they get nathin!
Very disappointed .... with all the Mayo supporters on here for not telling everyone that is in anyway criticising Aidan to fcuk right off for themselves.
Every game he plays .....EVERY game .... referees fail to give him free after free after free. Yes, he carries the ball into contact all the time (and thus gets a much greater degree of unfair treatment than even Michael Murphy for example) and that is a weakness in his game, but that does not entitle every opposing team to foul him every single time without punishment. FFS, we would have sealed the deal in an All-Ireland or 2 if referees called even half the fouls on him.
Sure, it was a soft penalty. He felt a very light hand on his back and no doubt thought 'f**k this, i'm not waiting to be manhandled yet again and get no free so i'll make it clear to the ref.' So, while he continues to fail to get the decisions he is due then i have no issue with him doing what he is doing to get some degree of fair play. Even today, the amount of frees he didn't get were not offset by the penalty.
And why should Aidan or this entire Mayo team have to apologize for making the most of a hand on his back and manufacturing a penalty. To a man, not one of them whinged about Cormac Reilly v Kerry in Limerick. 'Winning of the game was in our own hands' ... 'swings and roundabouts' .... 'improve' was all you heard. Fermanagh should do the same after today ..... forget about the penalty, if you were better conditioned and kicked a few more scores in the 2nd half you would have won so focus on the mirror in front of you and don't whinge. Just don't f**king whinge
And quite frankly if anyone thinks i'm being a twat .... fantastic, cos you can go fcuk yourselves (and do it twice if you're not from Mayo or Fermanagh)
Circle the wagons, drive on to next week, UP MAYO.
Quote from: muppet on July 09, 2016, 06:43:46 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on July 09, 2016, 06:39:59 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 09, 2016, 06:33:04 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on July 09, 2016, 06:29:29 PM
And still no mention of Cillians clear cut penalty.
Actually didn't think that was a penalty myself. One of those debatable ones. Definitely wouldn't say clear cut anyway.
Cillians not clear cut but the dive was. I suspect Mayo supporters will rue this when they get to Croke Park they may hope Joe and O'Rourke arn't asked to comment on it.
I'd say Mayo supporters won't sleep a wink for the rest of the summer worrying about what Joe Brolly has to say about things.
Wont worry much about Joe but should worry about the clamour he makes and the effect he seems to have on ref's
Mayo management complained about treatment of O Shea at full forward. Can't complain anymore. That dive today was a fuc*in disgrace. Better team lost.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 09, 2016, 09:14:36 PM
Referee Mc Quillan had another one of his Tour de Farce performances today again, shocking -- A O'Shea should have been long gone by the time he did is dying swan act.
Do you not think its hard for refs when players are diving around? O Shea cheated the ref and was rewarded with a critical score. If the GAA is serious about ridding the game of this they should do retrospective 2 week bans for diving and feigning injury. The alternative is to allow it to grow more and more into the game and people like a poster earlier will justify it as OK because of this and that - like Aidan gets fouled so he should be allowed cheat. That is the future just like it's already happened in soccer.
Quote from: Itchy on July 09, 2016, 10:24:11 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 09, 2016, 09:14:36 PM
Referee Mc Quillan had another one of his Tour de Farce performances today again, shocking -- A O'Shea should have been long gone by the time he did is dying swan act.
Do you not think its hard for refs when players are diving around? O Shea cheated the ref and was rewarded with a critical score. If the GAA is serious about ridding the game of this they should do retrospective 2 week bans for diving and feigning injury. The alternative is to allow it to grow more and more into the game and people like a poster earlier will justify it as OK because of this and that - like Aidan gets fouled so he should be allowed cheat. That is the future just like it's already happened in soccer.
My point was that if the referee had been doing his job O'Shea would have walked for a second yellow (or black, even) shortly after the resumption of play. Aside from that, he was erratic in his application of the rules throughout.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 09, 2016, 10:26:58 PM
Quote from: Itchy on July 09, 2016, 10:24:11 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 09, 2016, 09:14:36 PM
Referee Mc Quillan had another one of his Tour de Farce performances today again, shocking -- A O'Shea should have been long gone by the time he did is dying swan act.
Do you not think its hard for refs when players are diving around? O Shea cheated the ref and was rewarded with a critical score. If the GAA is serious about ridding the game of this they should do retrospective 2 week bans for diving and feigning injury. The alternative is to allow it to grow more and more into the game and people like a poster earlier will justify it as OK because of this and that - like Aidan gets fouled so he should be allowed cheat. That is the future just like it's already happened in soccer.
My point was that if the referee had been doing his job O'Shea would have walked for a second yellow (or black, even) shortly after the resumption of play. Aside from that, he was erratic in his application of the rules throughout.
He gave frees all day for hand on the back, sometimes ridiculously so. If he had indicated that offence for the penalty he mightn't look as daft now.
Quote from: Itchy on July 09, 2016, 10:24:11 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 09, 2016, 09:14:36 PM
Referee Mc Quillan had another one of his Tour de Farce performances today again, shocking -- A O'Shea should have been long gone by the time he did is dying swan act.
Do you not think its hard for refs when players are diving around? O Shea cheated the ref and was rewarded with a critical score. If the GAA is serious about ridding the game of this they should do retrospective 2 week bans for diving and feigning injury. The alternative is to allow it to grow more and more into the game and people like a poster earlier will justify it as OK because of this and that - like Aidan gets fouled so he should be allowed cheat. That is the future just like it's already happened in soccer.
I actually think the umpire told McQuillan about the "jersey pull" as you could see him indicating it to one of the players. McQuillan has to go on what he's told as the umpire was much better positioned.
I thought McQuillan did ok.
Quote from: highorlow on July 09, 2016, 09:44:55 PM
I hope we meet Tyrone along the way. Love to beat them boys at their own game.
Obviously the Brexit is having a bad effect on their minds with the scurrilous post on here.
We were long overdue a decision in our favour, every team gets one at some stage and some teams more than others. Maybe it's because Tyrone come across as absolute whingers they get nathin!
High horses in Mayo have bolted. Not nice when your on the receiving end of the abuse for cheating. Count your blessings you had tweedle dum and tweedle Dee analysing it.
Quote from: highorlow on July 09, 2016, 09:44:55 PM
I hope we meet Tyrone along the way. Love to beat them boys at their own game.
Obviously the Brexit is having a bad effect on their minds with the scurrilous post on here.
We were long overdue a decision in our favour, every team gets one at some stage and some teams more than others. Maybe it's because Tyrone come across as absolute whingers they get nathin!
Interesting...your team wins and that's what you come up with, Brexit is a very mature argument, what specifically do you mean by that? The game is televised and you have to live with the criticism.
Ah the fouled all the time line, so he deserves a penalty defense, didn't see that one coming lol,
its laughable how some supporters cant bring themselves to criticise their own players when they done wrong (in short cheating)
gaelic getting more and more like soccer all the time.
Mayo havent the forwards to win an all-ireland and will likely not see football any further than the quarters depending on who they meet
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 09, 2016, 10:32:21 PM
Quote from: highorlow on July 09, 2016, 09:44:55 PM
I hope we meet Tyrone along the way. Love to beat them boys at their own game.
Obviously the Brexit is having a bad effect on their minds with the scurrilous post on here.
We were long overdue a decision in our favour, every team gets one at some stage and some teams more than others. Maybe it's because Tyrone come across as absolute whingers they get nathin!
High horses in Mayo have bolted. Not nice when your on the receiving end of the abuse for cheating. Count your blessings you had tweedle dum and tweedle Dee analysing it.
The time honoured Mayo tradition of trying to intimidate the referee into giving them was certainly in vogue today. It's one of the reasons why they have won nothing, always expecting the helping hand rather than digging in and getting on with it. Booing the referee won't win a Mayo an All Ireland.
Today summed up why Mayo will never win an all ireland. Forwards were were shocking and only for Aidan O'Shea's dive they would be out tonight.
If Tyrone carried on the way Mayo did today they would be crucified and I'd be one of the first to do it. Shameful dive, and Dessie Dolan should be sacked for trying to defend the dive!!!!
I believe in karma and what goes around comes around. This Mayo team has no leaders, no bottle, no integrity and won't win all-ireland
Poor Dubs are worried lol.
'....booing the referee won't win an All-Ireland...'.
Wow. Well f*ck me, I had it wrong all along. There's me booing for the last 40 years. Going to all that booing training, year after year. F*ck it, I had just gotten good as well. In the last week I managed to boo at my daughter's pre-school recital, boo at my mates wedding and even booed at the wife's grandfather's funeral.
And now you are telling me I was wasting my time?
F*ck.
Quote from: saffronandblue on July 09, 2016, 10:48:22 PM
Poor Dubs are worried lol.
Only thing worrying about today from Mayo is Joe McQuillan bought that that bulls**t dive from Aidan O'Shea. Love the the way Mayo fans are trying to defend it!! Their defence is about as believeable as Tony Blair's supporters trying to defend the invasion of Iraq in the Chilcot report!!!
As I said previously if that was a Tyrone player who took that dive the whole country would be crucifying him, but any criticism will be put down as anti mayo bias.
I'd be more worried about eye gouging and biting than diving D7......but sure the Dubs are angels.
Quote from: muppet on July 09, 2016, 10:50:47 PM
'....booing the referee won't win an All-Ireland...'.
Wow. Well f*ck me, I had it wrong all along. There's me booing for the last 40 years. Going to all that booing training, year after year. F*ck it, I had just gotten good as well. In the last week I managed to boo at my daughter's pre-school recital, boo at my mates wedding and even booed at the wife's grandfather's funeral.
And now you are telling me I was wasting my time?
F*ck.
Running on to the pitch trying to confront the referee also won't cut it.
What was also extremely embarrassing was the way the Mayo players ganged around McQuillan roaring and pointing after O'Connor had himself dived.
Quote from: dublin7 on July 09, 2016, 10:57:33 PM
Quote from: saffronandblue on July 09, 2016, 10:48:22 PM
Poor Dubs are worried lol.
Only thing worrying about today from Mayo is Joe McQuillan bought that that bulls**t dive from Aidan O'Shea. Love the the way Mayo fans are trying to defend it!! Their defence is about as believeable as Tony Blair's supporters trying to defend the invasion of Iraq in the Chilcot report!!!
As I said previously if that was a Tyrone player who took that dive the whole country would be crucifying him, but any criticism will be put down as anti mayo bias.
I used to think i would love to see Mayo win an All-Ireland but after today and watching Rochfords response i hope to FCUK Aidan OShea or Rochford never win it. Todays dive was without doubt the biggest one I have every seen McQuillan will look at that and be extremely embarrassed that he was taken in by that. At least MH had the decency to state mccann shouldn't have done hair gate last year and he would learn from it. O shea has always had that cheating streak in him and i hope he never gets the ultimate reward of an All-Ireland.
I would just like to have a say on a few points up as a Fermanagh fan
The penalty didn't matter, Mayo were on top and would have won the game
- Nonsense, if Fermanagh would have gotten it and went 4 points up with 5 to play would it have been an argument? Goals change games and this had a massive effect on the outcome. I can't say we would have won, but neither can Mayo. Luckily I now know that "we deserve a penalty" based on the new Aiden O'Shea rule, so hopefully we will get that next year if we are getting a tight game
Aiden O'Shea doesn't get frees so he has to make the most of contact
- I honestly can't see where this comes from. After watching him today, its hard to remember when he didn't throw himself to the ground as soon as he wasn't favourite in any situation. He won more frees that he deserved today, and should have been in the stand to be fair. Mayo would have been my 2nd team but the justification for that nonsense turns my stomach to be honest. He cheated, plain and simple. I honestly hope that Mayo get put out of the Championship on a similar decision to see if its as palatable when it happens to them
RTE
- What can you say, an absolute joke. Pretty obvious that someone told them what was happening on social media. Between them they couldn't decide if it was "sportsmanship", "video replays", "honest game of football" or "not worth talking about". Thank heavens for Joe (and who would ever expect to say that), as it wouldn't take him 15mins to gauge the talking point of the game
Fermanagh
- Another game I felt we could have done better. Moral victories are empty at this point, and we need to step up if we are serious. The bench should have been emptied much sooner and we didn't change it when the tide turned
It was the same against Philly McMahon last year. Other big physical players have done similar in the past though, Sean Kavanagh and Aidan O'Mahoney Spring to mind.
Quote from: yellowcard on July 09, 2016, 11:26:12 PM
It was the same against Philly McMahon last year. Other big physical players have done similar in the past though, Sean Kavanagh and Aidan O'Mahoney Spring to mind.
Yea but O'Shea has a record on minimal contact and huge Dives and rolling about and getting rewarded for it. He also has limited media exposure for it as he plays a team that everyone but the Galway men feel sorry for.. I hope Mayo get what they deserve from this...
I've always had nothing but respect for Mayo football but after today's cheating I think I'll just be supporting Tyrone from now on.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 09, 2016, 11:44:16 PM
I've always had nothing but respect for Mayo football but after today's cheating I think I'll just be supporting Tyrone from now on.
You could support your own count...... Never mind.
Mayo, a horrible let's get the job done performance, embarrassing really
Ugly football. Good luck Mayo, horrible shit
Are you proud Mayo?
As with most (Mayo) people here I can understand Fermanaghs annoyance. In 2014 we had a bucketful of decisions go against us. A bucketful! The amount you usually get over a long championship season. And all in one game. So as the Song goes 'I know all there is to know about the crying game'. I'm not standing up for O'Shea, he more than likely cheated. There is a term in Gaelic football bandied about. The term is win a free. What does this mean? Does it mean that the player did what he had to get a free awarded?
We got the rub of the green today! Unfortunately it was against a side like Fermanagh. Fermanagh punch consistently above their weight and need a decent officialdom to remain competitive.
Anyway, any fermanagh person who was in McHale park today could not feel but pride for their group. They put in a huge effort. If they got more of the rub of the green, things could have been a lot different today. Keep Pete at least for another year.
From a Mayo perspective. I feel we are prolonging an inevitable of a Quarter final defeat. I hope I'm wrong!
That's a load of balls my friend. We don't punch above our weight. We punch our weight. Always. F#ck off with the platitudes and the arrogance. With a decent referee we would have beat ye
Too easy to say Mayo would have won anyway. When Mayo drew level, Fermanagh went up the field and pointed ahead again. I thought that was some statement, despite being under some pressure for a good 15 minutes. Had that ball gone out of play that O'Shea dived to win a penalty......who knows.
Quote from: TomFun on July 10, 2016, 12:33:45 AM
That's a load of balls my friend. We don't punch above our weight. We punch our weight. Always. F#ck off with the platitudes and the arrogance. With a decent referee we would have beat ye
Tomfun having no fun after that game
I propose chimney as genius of week. A man of the moment, a tremendous wit
Quote from: ONeill on July 10, 2016, 12:39:50 AM
Too easy to say Mayo would have won anyway. When Mayo drew level, Fermanagh went up the field and pointed ahead again. I thought that was some statement, despite being under some pressure for a good 15 minutes. Had that ball gone out of play that O'Shea dived to win a penalty......who knows.
No doubt we probably would have had extra time or lost. Them are the breaks! Don't worry we'll get our medicine yet!
I think everyone is forgetting about McQuillan going into consult with the umpire and maybe the penalty was for a pull on the jersey before the ball came in and that is where the signal of Mcquillan indicating it was a jersey pull came from.
Apologies for being quiet toxic in my reaction. A Fermanagh man in Mayo. Who loves Mayo. But Jesus you are ott about yourselves . Sick because Mcuillan is an awful ref and I think we should have won
Quote from: TomFun on July 10, 2016, 01:00:31 AM
Apologies for being quiet toxic in my reaction. A Fermanagh man in Mayo. Who loves Mayo. But Jesus you are ott about yourselves . Sick because Mcuillan is an awful ref and I think we should have won
Who are you telling? My wife (westmeath woman) constantly reminds me of how up our hole we are! And she's not often right. but his time she's hit the nail on the head! Fermanagh supporters are top notch! Triumph or defeat - they remain with their feet on the ground.
Putting the obvious dive aside for a minute, if I were a Fermanagh man tonight I'd be more pissed off with the 2nd half tactic of 14 men behind the ball.
The reality is we were there for the taking dive or no dive.
When ye were 4 down ye let the shackles off and went for the game playing the game as it should be played (I believe the same can be said for Armagh last week).
Instead of protecting a 6 point lead ye actually played into our hands. We are a cat malogen side this year, clueless as regards tactics and if ye has decided to attack rather than defend in the 2nd half ye would have won. Ye had 2 goal chances in the last 5 mins created by lovely free flowing football, too little too late.
Everyone is crediting Pete with his post match rant but the reality is this is deflection from his own shortcomings.
Anyhow I hope I haven't offended the Fermanagh lads in saying all that but that's my take on it.
Quote from: TomFun on July 10, 2016, 01:00:31 AM
Apologies for being quiet toxic in my reaction. A Fermanagh man in Mayo. Who loves Mayo. But Jesus you are ott about yourselves . Sick because Mcuillan is an awful ref and I think we should have won
Sick, imagine how sick ya'd be if ye had the likes of Reilly and his disastrous refereeing decisions forced on ye like we had below in Limerick. Now, then ye'd be sick!
No point trying to defend the indefensible just cos your own team is involved, it was no peno end of, and frees not won or prior decisions don't justify it. O'Se gives everything for the cause but he doesn't have to resort to this. Still think Mayo would have drawn at worst as they completely dominated the 2nd half and created most of the chances.
Mayo's forward play today was unbelievably poor, every time one of the forwards got the ball he was isolated, nobody playing off him whatsoever and it was easy for the backs to gobble it up.
Also, we seem to have no idea of how a sweeper is supposed to work either, McLoughlin was too far from the fb line most of the time. Ffs, when we were 4 up, Harrison was left one on one with Quigley I think and was lucky not to be exposed.
Huge amount to work on for Rochford et al
Great to see the knifes out for us this year. I'm happy with that reaction. Change from the nice guys is no harm.
Quote from: maigheo on July 10, 2016, 12:57:28 AM
I think everyone is forgetting about McQuillan going into consult with the umpire and maybe the penalty was for a pull on the jersey before the ball came in and that is where the signal of Mcquillan indicating it was a jersey pull came from.
Still a buckin dive.
The simple solution is a video ref.
All of Mayo would be for that. ;)
God bless ye, couldn't lose to s better bunch
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Still a dive . Are ye proud ?
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 10, 2016, 01:22:03 AM
Mayo's forward play today was unbelievably poor, every time one of the forwards got the ball he was isolated, nobody playing off him whatsoever and it was easy for the backs to gobble it up.
Also, we seem to have no idea of how a sweeper is supposed to work either, McLoughlin was too far from the fb line most of the time. Ffs, when we were 4 up, Harrison was left one on one with Quigley I think and was lucky not to be exposed.
Huge amount to work on for Rochford et al
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Quote from: TomFun on July 10, 2016, 02:07:14 AM
Still a dive . Are ye proud ?
No! Listen we are only delaying the inevitable. Our ass is grass in a few weeks! If not next week!
Quote from: wanderer on July 09, 2016, 11:24:32 PM
I would just like to have a say on a few points up as a Fermanagh fan
The penalty didn't matter, Mayo were on top and would have won the game
I never really understand this line of thinking in close matches. Goals change games. More than anything else. Even though Mayo were on top at that stage there is no guarantee they would have won from that position. They may have but it could easily have been a draw or Fermanagh could have grimly hung on.
Quote from: ONeill on July 10, 2016, 01:46:34 AM
Quote from: maigheo on July 10, 2016, 12:57:28 AM
I think everyone is forgetting about McQuillan going into consult with the umpire and maybe the penalty was for a pull on the jersey before the ball came in and that is where the signal of Mcquillan indicating it was a jersey pull came from.
Still a buckin dive.
Not disagreeing with you that it was a dive but the foul could have occurred well before the dive
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Quote from: Mac2 on July 10, 2016, 01:17:50 AM
No point trying to defend the indefensible just cos your own team is involved, it was no peno end of, and frees not won or prior decisions don't justify it. O'Se gives everything for the cause but he doesn't have to resort to this. Still think Mayo would have drawn at worst as they completely dominated the 2nd half and created most of the chances.
Well said. People need to cop the hell on. I also think Mayo would have won regardless as Barry Moran changed the game imo.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 10, 2016, 02:19:17 AM
Quote from: wanderer on July 09, 2016, 11:24:32 PM
I would just like to have a say on a few points up as a Fermanagh fan
The penalty didn't matter, Mayo were on top and would have won the game
I never really understand this line of thinking in close matches. Goals change games. More than anything else. Even though Mayo were on top at that stage there is no guarantee they would have won from that position. They may have but it could easily have been a draw or Fermanagh could have grimly hung on.
In the 2nd half Fermanagh scored two points (at least from a very soft free) and lost almost all of their own kickouts. Even when we kicked it wide, they kicked it straight back to us. There was only one winner today from a long way out.
That doesn't mean we were good, just that Fermanagh couldn't get going after halftime.
As others have said on here I am gutted by that defeat.
Having watched the game back it was very clear that we gave Mayo the fright of their life.
We showed serious fight yesterday.
We lost the toss and played with the wind.
Conceded a terrible goal to Mayo inside 15 minutes after being 3 clear. We then scored I think it was 1-4 without reply. We went at Mayo and showed some wonderful attacking intent. Going in 6 up was the least we deserved.
Mayo came out in the second half all guns blazing but we managed to repel them. After 10 minutes we were still 5 up.
Then came the turning point. McQuillans failure to give O Shea a black card for a blatant pull down on Eoin Donnelly. It was a classic pull down with both arms wrapped around the waist. Honestly it's worse when you see it back
Mayo then score the next 5 but are still hitting wides a plenty. We get a good score to go 1 up after 30 minutes. Then Swan Lake happens. Game over. If Sean Cavanagh or any Tyrone player had dived like Aidan then the rte lads would have went to town. What Aidan did is much worse than what Tiernan McCann did last year and the CCC wanted to give him a one match ban. I was directly dehind the Mayo subs and at the full time whistle Aidan was the only Mayo player who went straight down the tunnel. Said it all for me. Its easy to say Mayo would have won anyway. I don't buy it. We had ridden the storm and we had just went 1 up. The Mayo players looked out of ideas up front and the crowd was nervous and anxious which was transmitting through to the players. I really think we would have sneaked it.
Dessie Dolan has to be one of the worse pundits ever seen.
Sick to the back teeth of listening to patronising rte commentators going out about plucky Fermanagh and moral victories. The Fermanagh lads have trained hard hard all year and to be denied by an inept referee is hard to take. McGrath has brought us on leaps and bounds in the last 2 years. Says a lot that I am gutted by getting beat by Mayo in Castlebar. We are now a match for most teams in the country and have a good panel. As others have said we aren't punching above our weight. We are at our weight and are progressing nicely. There's an ulster title in that group.
I have to agree with the rte analysis, it was dreadful particulary Dessie Dolan. He actually justified OSheas dive and was extremely patronising towards fermanagh. Ten minutes later when it was obvious that Dessie and Jarlath had been tipped off about the online reaction they changed their tune but the damage was done and their credibility severely damaged.
Quote from: FermGael on July 10, 2016, 07:39:37 AM
As others have said on here I am gutted by that defeat.
Having watched the game back it was very clear that we gave Mayo the fright of their life.
We showed serious fight yesterday.
We lost the toss and played with the wind.
Conceded a terrible goal to Mayo inside 15 minutes after being 3 clear. We then scored I think it was 1-4 without reply. We went at Mayo and showed some wonderful attacking intent. Going in 6 up was the least we deserved.
Mayo came out in the second half all guns blazing but we managed to repel them. After 10 minutes we were still 5 up.
Then came the turning point. McQuillans failure to give O Shea a black card for a blatant pull down on Eoin Donnelly. It was a classic pull down with both arms wrapped around the waist. Honestly it's worse when you see it back
Mayo then score the next 5 but are still hitting wides a plenty. We get a good score to go 1 up after 30 minutes. Then Swan Lake happens. Game over. If Sean Cavanagh or any Tyrone player had dived like Aidan then the rte lads would have went to town. What Aidan did is much worse than what Tiernan McCann did last year and the CCC wanted to give him a one match ban. I was directly dehind the Mayo subs and at the full time whistle Aidan was the only Mayo player who went straight down the tunnel. Said it all for me. Its easy to say Mayo would have won anyway. I don't buy it. We had ridden the storm and we had just went 1 up. The Mayo players looked out of ideas up front and the crowd was nervous and anxious which was transmitting through to the players. I really think we would have sneaked it.
Dessie Dolan has to be one of the worse pundits ever seen.
Sick to the back teeth of listening to patronising rte commentators going out about plucky Fermanagh and moral victories. The Fermanagh lads have trained hard hard all year and to be denied by an inept referee is hard to take. McGrath has brought us on leaps and bounds in the last 2 years. Says a lot that I am gutted by getting beat by Mayo in Castlebar. We are now a match for most teams in the country and have a good panel. As others have said we aren't punching above our weight. We are at our weight and are progressing nicely. There's an ulster title in that group.
there is if you hang onto McGrath and learn from this
quite a good year for Fermanagh as long as you build on it.
An Ulster title would be fantastic
Is the lack of black card followed by red the bigger issue here. Fermanagh would of had the spare man which might have solved their biggest problem, their own kick outs. It also means he is not there ta dive.
I thought o se was more to blame than joe but an earlier poster is right. Joe signalled a jersey pull. Were was that Tho. 2 wrongs made a huge wrong
McGrath will be there next year and will have the job as long as he wants it I would think.
After the way he was treated by Down he won't be back.
The lack of black card was the major referring error. It happened less than 10 yards from McQuillan. He had no excuse
So the verdict is despite our dominant second half spell where both regan and andy had goal chances they blew, we got the rub of the green with some vital decisions that won the game for us.
Look ye can keep telling yourselves that but im telling ya we were not going to lose that game yesterday no matter what happened. We killed ye in midfield and when BM came on it got even worse for ye. Whos the best midfielder in ireland ye were telling us about.
If mayo improve our forward play we will make croker. And i think we will. Its all about getting things to improve game by game now.
Joe mc Quillan has had major influence on a few games recently he never seems to be dropped unlike other people in the past.
Quote from: larryin89 on July 10, 2016, 10:29:48 AM
So the verdict is despite our dominant second half spell where both regan and andy had goal chances they blew, we got the rub of the green with some vital decisions that won the game for us.
Look ye can keep telling yourselves that but im telling ya we were not going to lose that game yesterday no matter what happened. We killed ye in midfield and when BM came on it got even worse for ye. Whos the best midfielder in ireland ye were telling us about.
If mayo improve our forward play we will make croker. And i think we will. Its all about getting things to improve game by game now.
Donnelly ran riot in the first half Larry. Our forward play would need to improve significantly. Unlike you, I can't see it happening this late in the year
Quote from: larryin89 on July 10, 2016, 10:29:48 AM
So the verdict is despite our dominant second half spell where both regan and andy had goal chances they blew, we got the rub of the green with some vital decisions that won the game for us.
Look ye can keep telling yourselves that but im telling ya we were not going to lose that game yesterday no matter what happened. We killed ye in midfield and when BM came on it got even worse for ye. Whos the best midfielder in ireland ye were telling us about.
If mayo improve our forward play we will make croker. And i think we will. Its all about getting things to improve game by game now.
Ha ha! Nice one Larry. Sure you have been trying to do this for 20 years!
Quote from: FermGael on July 10, 2016, 08:01:09 AM
McGrath will be there next year and will have the job as long as he wants it I would think.
After the way he was treated by Down he won't be back.
The lack of black card was the major referring error. It happened less than 10 yards from McQuillan. He had no excuse
Donnelly had 2 blatant pull downs himself and no card.
I thought Mayo let themselves down yesterday with their antics.
The grouping around the referee trying to get him to make incorrect calls in his favour, none moreso than when they did it after O'Connor's dive, they were trying to put pressure on the referee into giving them decisions and it's nothing new.
Cillian O'Connor is a really dislikeable individual, diving, fouling and mouthing off at the referee seems to be what the's best at. The fact he was given MOTM was baffling, he is really poor from open play.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 10, 2016, 11:27:27 AM
I thought Mayo let themselves down yesterday with their antics.
The grouping around the referee trying to get him to make incorrect calls in his favour, none moreso than when they did it after O'Connor's dive, they were trying to put pressure on the referee into giving them decisions and it's nothing new.
Cillian O'Connor is a really dislikeable individual, diving, fouling and mouthing off at the referee seems to be what the's best at. The fact he was given MOTM was baffling, he is really poor from open play.
What do you know about Cillian O'Connor as an individual?
He's best at taking pressure frees and penalties btw.
A few thoughts...
First half Mayo were awful. I honestly didn't see the second half performance coming at any stage, despite playing against the wind. Fermanagh were well on top in all sectors of the field and Freeman was lucky to be in the right place at the right time to get the goal. I thought he would have a stormer, but I don't know about him. Over on mayoblog before the game people wanted him to start etc. Sorry Alan, apart from the goal, what did he do? Saying that, it was a bloody important score in the overall context of the game. There was no way in he'll Mayo would have got back into it if he hadn't scored it. Enough on the first half. There wasn't much else to be positive from a Mayo point of view at least. Fermanagh totally ran riot at midfield. Their forwards were kicking some great scores too.
The second half, (apart from the penalty) was better from Mayo. For the majority of it, the play was in the Fermanagh half of the field. On came Barry Moran, while I thought we were beginning to get a foothold in the middle of the field, Barry just solidified it.
The penalty that was given shouldn't have been. I was sure that COC was fouled at the time before hand, but I'll have to watch it again to see if he was or not.
It is a bit worrying that Mayo have to go back to the 'oldies' such as Dillon, who proved me wrong by scoring 2 great points and A Moran to calm things down. Not sure if Durcan is living up to what he's supposed to be tbh. Two poor games in a row. He has time on his side, but the youngsters from Dublin, Kerry et al are capable of doing it. Vaughan did well when he came on.
I guess we'll never know if Fermanagh would have won if the penalty wasn't given. I honestly don't think they would. Yes, I might be biased I know 😉
Can't afford a half like the first half agsin. Against any team. A win is a win.
Seriously though, does anyone think that Mayo team will be challenging for the all-Ireland?
The Dubs on here do lol
Quote from: Esmarelda on July 09, 2016, 10:28:32 PM
Quote from: Itchy on July 09, 2016, 10:24:11 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 09, 2016, 09:14:36 PM
Referee Mc Quillan had another one of his Tour de Farce performances today again, shocking -- A O'Shea should have been long gone by the time he did is dying swan act.
Do you not think its hard for refs when players are diving around? O Shea cheated the ref and was rewarded with a critical score. If the GAA is serious about ridding the game of this they should do retrospective 2 week bans for diving and feigning injury. The alternative is to allow it to grow more and more into the game and people like a poster earlier will justify it as OK because of this and that - like Aidan gets fouled so he should be allowed cheat. That is the future just like it's already happened in soccer.
I actually think the umpire told McQuillan about the "jersey pull" as you could see him indicating it to one of the players. McQuillan has to go on what he's told as the umpire was much better positioned.
I thought McQuillan did ok.
So did I.
I decided to wait until I had a look at a recording of the game before I'd comment on the penalty incident. Now that I have had a few looks
at the lead up to O'Shea's theatrics, I think Joe had already decided to give Mayo a penalty before O'Shea made contact with the ball.
I watched that segment of play in slo mo and while the images were a bit fuzzy at that resolution, O'Shea and his marker were jostling for position as Kevin Mc launched his kick and if there was a tug on O'Shea's jersey, that's where it happened. (About 61.50 or so on the RTE broadcast.)
I couldn't say for definite that his jersey was tugged but, crucially, the nearest umpire was within 10 metres of the incident and he didn't disagree with Joe Mac's decision.
Maurice Deegan is to be seen in the thick of things arguing with a group of Fermanagh players and it's clear that he agreed with the ref's decision.
It's not clear from the recording if there was a tug on O'Shea's m or not.
I couldn't say there was but Joe Mac, the umpire and Maurice Deegan had a better view of proceedings that I had and they all seem to have felt that there was.
A few thoughts
I think yer very harsh on McQ for the penalty. I was down the far end so at the time I thought he was just clipped. On the replay it's hard to make that case but ur man did kinda run across him so there may have been some contact, I say fair play to him. Would Kerry or Dublin be calling for heads? I don't f**king think so. On McQ his angle from the tv replay it actually looked like the Fermanagh lad had BOTH hands on his back.
The No. 7 decided it would be a good idea to shoulder O'Shea as he was subbed, delighted to see Higgins give him a good dig back.
What is up with COC, he was very poor again yesterday, I've no idea how he got MOTM, he's almost trying too hard.
Evan Regan needs to find some end product, very good at winning the ball but not really dangerous.
DOC was excellent in the second half but seems to have been told not to do the direct running he did for the U-21s
Thought KMcL was excellent, my MOTM, him and Higgins should probably be swapped. Kevin is lost covering FB, he needs to be a bit further up the field when he gets the ball initially, that's when he's most effective.
Other than that, it was a game for winning and getting a bit of confidence back, job done. With Monaghan gone you wouldn't exactly be quaking in ur boots at the other three, although u couldn't trust Cork. Longford would be a nice opp to avenge 2010. If we lose to any of those we have bigger problems in the camp.
Quote from: tintin25 on July 10, 2016, 03:35:26 PM
Seriously though, does anyone think that Mayo team will be challenging for the all-Ireland?
I do not think anyone in Mayo has any illusions about winning Sam this year.All the talk was coming outside the county of winning the all ireland..Qualifer games are all about winning them and moving on and getting to Croker in August.
Quote from: tintin25 on July 10, 2016, 03:35:26 PM
Seriously though, does anyone think that Mayo team will be challenging for the all-Ireland?
I genuinely believe Galway will win another AI title before Mayo do.
Looking at yesterday
1. David Clarke was solid, a few dodgy kickouts at the begining, very important save near the end.
2. Brendan Harrison - to be fair i did not notice him much, Our dominance in the second half meant he had nothing to do.
3. Kevin Keane - He's done alright, he no Caff, Always looks for the ball.
4. Keith Higgins - the experiment at half forward continues. Noticed that he looks unsure the nearer goal he gets.
5. Lee Keegan - Business As usual
6. Colm Boyle - Business As usual
7. Patrick Durcan - Super sub looks to be his role. He has pace to burn and that looks his role i feel.
8. Seamus O'Shea - No doubting workrate, improved on distribution yesterday.
9. Stephen Coen - too young for Midfield yet - yesterday was a baptism of fire in that position. Was out of sorts. Young!
10. Kevin McLoughlin - very solid, very composed, Not sure he should be a sweeper?
11. Aidan O'Shea - Business As usual
12. Diarmuid O'Connor Man of the Match yesterday - what an engine?
13. Evan Regan - Unlucky to be taken off when the game was opening up.
22. Freeman - got us a badly needed goal - offered little more.
15. Cillian O'Connor (Ballintubber, captain). A more decent outing, getting his mojo back.
Barry moran - did all the simple things well (and made them look simple).
Alan Dillon - did all the simple things well (and made them look simple). Two great points.
Vaughan - No complaints
Andy Moran - too greedy, trying to hard - hard to see his effectiveness lately.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on July 10, 2016, 03:46:31 PM
Quote from: tintin25 on July 10, 2016, 03:35:26 PM
Seriously though, does anyone think that Mayo team will be challenging for the all-Ireland?
I genuinely believe Galway will win another AI title before Mayo do.
When do you think Galway will achieve this feat?
Andy Moran's a great servant but have to say I was furious at him yesterday constantly going for glory himself in a tight game like this with men better placed around him. McLoughlin was terrific yesterday, never hid once during the game but he's no sweeper, Higgins just has to go back and I think for all his flaws Vaughan's a better bet when the going gets tough than Durcan.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on July 10, 2016, 03:46:31 PM
Quote from: tintin25 on July 10, 2016, 03:35:26 PM
Seriously though, does anyone think that Mayo team will be challenging for the all-Ireland?
I genuinely believe Galway will win another AI title before Mayo do.
Could you explain this statement on why you think that?Makes absolutely no sense
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 10, 2016, 03:43:14 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on July 09, 2016, 10:28:32 PM
Quote from: Itchy on July 09, 2016, 10:24:11 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 09, 2016, 09:14:36 PM
Referee Mc Quillan had another one of his Tour de Farce performances today again, shocking -- A O'Shea should have been long gone by the time he did is dying swan act.
Do you not think its hard for refs when players are diving around? O Shea cheated the ref and was rewarded with a critical score. If the GAA is serious about ridding the game of this they should do retrospective 2 week bans for diving and feigning injury. The alternative is to allow it to grow more and more into the game and people like a poster earlier will justify it as OK because of this and that - like Aidan gets fouled so he should be allowed cheat. That is the future just like it's already happened in soccer.
I actually think the umpire told McQuillan about the "jersey pull" as you could see him indicating it to one of the players. McQuillan has to go on what he's told as the umpire was much better positioned.
I thought McQuillan did ok.
So did I.
I decided to wait until I had a look at a recording of the game before I'd comment on the penalty incident. Now that I have had a few looks
at the lead up to O'Shea's theatrics, I think Joe had already decided to give Mayo a penalty before O'Shea made contact with the ball.
I watched that segment of play in slo mo and while the images were a bit fuzzy at that resolution, O'Shea and his marker were jostling for position as Kevin Mc launched his kick and if there was a tug on O'Shea's jersey, that's where it happened. (About 61.50 or so on the RTE broadcast.)
I couldn't say for definite that his jersey was tugged but, crucially, the nearest umpire was within 10 metres of the incident and he didn't disagree with Joe Mac's decision.
Maurice Deegan is to be seen in the thick of things arguing with a group of Fermanagh players and it's clear that he agreed with the ref's decision.
It's not clear from the recording if there was a tug on O'Shea's m or not.
I couldn't say there was but Joe Mac, the umpire and Maurice Deegan had a better view of proceedings that I had and they all seem to have felt that there was.
He should not have been on the field.
He should have been black carded and sent off.
That was where McQuillan turned the game in Mayos favour
Quote from: maigheo on July 10, 2016, 04:02:00 PM
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on July 10, 2016, 03:46:31 PM
Quote from: tintin25 on July 10, 2016, 03:35:26 PM
Seriously though, does anyone think that Mayo team will be challenging for the all-Ireland?
I genuinely believe Galway will win another AI title before Mayo do.
Could you explain this statement on why you think that?Makes absolutely no sense
He's trolling, buck. Let him away.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 10, 2016, 03:47:28 PM
Looking at yesterday
1. David Clarke was solid, a few dodgy kickouts at the begining, very important save near the end.
2. Brendan Harrison - to be fair i did not notice him much, Our dominance in the second half meant he had nothing to do.
3. Kevin Keane - He's done alright, he no Caff, Always looks for the ball.
4. Keith Higgins - the experiment at half forward continues. Noticed that he looks unsure the nearer goal he gets.
5. Lee Keegan - Business As usual
6. Colm Boyle - Business As usual
7. Patrick Durcan - Super sub looks to be his role. He has pace to burn and that looks his role i feel.
8. Seamus O'Shea - No doubting workrate, improved on distribution yesterday.
9. Stephen Coen - too young for Midfield yet - yesterday was a baptism of fire in that position. Was out of sorts. Young!
10. Kevin McLoughlin - very solid, very composed, Not sure he should be a sweeper?
11. Aidan O'Shea - Business As usual
12. Diarmuid O'Connor Man of the Match yesterday - what an engine?
13. Evan Regan - Unlucky to be taken off when the game was opening up.
22. Freeman - got us a badly needed goal - offered little more.
15. Cillian O'Connor (Ballintubber, captain). A more decent outing, getting his mojo back.
Barry moran - did all the simple things well (and made them look simple).
Alan Dillon - did all the simple things well (and made them look simple). Two great points.
Vaughan - No complaints
Andy Moran - too greedy, trying to hard - hard to see his effectiveness lately.
I thought Coen was one of our best players when we were struggling in the first half. Faded early in the second.
Giving a man a penalty when he doesn't deserve it is worse than not giving him a penalty when he does deserve it.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 10, 2016, 07:20:02 PM
Giving a man a penalty when he doesn't deserve it is worse than not giving him a penalty when he does deserve it.
I would have gauged them as being of the same value!
Laughing my head off at the Dubs and their responses to be honest.
They've got very selective memories and I notice that none of them are mentioning Bernard Brogan and the time he went down like he was shot by a sniper in the last minute or two of a Leinster Final, winning a free which enabled Dublin to beat Kildare.
Something about glasshouses comes to mind....
Is this the Brogan 'dive' you're talking about?
You're some man to talk about selective memories, Willie. ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rXa4WDUiTs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rXa4WDUiTs)
Was it a free? No.
Did they win the game because of that free? Yes.
Did we hear any complaints out of the Dubs afterwards? No.
Has any Dublin player ever taken a dive? The answer could break the internet....
Quote from: Cllr Willie Power on July 10, 2016, 07:39:42 PM
Laughing my head off at the Dubs and their responses to be honest.
They've got very selective memories and I notice that none of them are mentioning Bernard Brogan and the time he went down like he was shot by a sniper in the last minute or two of a Leinster Final, winning a free which enabled Dublin to beat Kildare.
Something about glasshouses comes to mind....
Didn't happen Willie.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 10, 2016, 07:45:45 PM
Quote from: Cllr Willie Power on July 10, 2016, 07:39:42 PM
Laughing my head off at the Dubs and their responses to be honest.
They've got very selective memories and I notice that none of them are mentioning Bernard Brogan and the time he went down like he was shot by a sniper in the last minute or two of a Leinster Final, winning a free which enabled Dublin to beat Kildare.
Something about glasshouses comes to mind....
Didn't happen Willie.
Yeah, I know it didn't happen. I was trying to mimick the language some of the posters on this thread have been using about AOS, but I realise it didn't come across like that.
Simply put, I was trying to say that Dublin have been the recipients of some handy frees and controversial decisions themselves. Swings and roundabouts.
The thing is though, Aidan actually DID go down like he was shot by a sniper!
(http://www.newstalk.com/content/012/images/000020/20163_54_pages_12_15204_656x500.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/327204108/platoon05.jpg)
Not at all - sure the bullets would bounce off him! :P
Theyd bounce off his ego.
Quote from: Cllr Willie Power on July 10, 2016, 07:44:27 PM
Was it a free? No.
Did they win the game because of that free? Yes.
Did we hear any complaints out of the Dubs afterwards? No.
Has any Dublin player ever taken a dive? The answer could break the internet....
Do you want some salts for that chip on your shoulder. 2 incidents have nothing in common
No chip on my shoulder here, I'm not from Dublin.... :P I was merely pointing out that other teams have benefited from incorrect refereeing decisions as well, hence the connection. If it had been other counties complaining (e.g. Kerry, Donegal, Tyrone etc.), I'd be saying the same about them.
Didn't Paul Flynn win a seriously dodge penalty last year? I can't remember against who. The replay clearly showed that he tripped over his own feet.
Quote from: Beffs on July 10, 2016, 08:41:36 PM
Didn't Paul Flynn win a seriously dodge penalty last year? I can't remember against who. The replay clearly showed that he tripped over his own feet.
The clear difference between these incidents and Aidan O Shea is he deliberately dived ,none of the others did. Have to say I agree with Jinxy. He has obviously watched the movie platoon a few too many times
Quote from: dublin7 on July 10, 2016, 08:55:22 PM
Quote from: Beffs on July 10, 2016, 08:41:36 PM
Didn't Paul Flynn win a seriously dodge penalty last year? I can't remember against who. The replay clearly showed that he tripped over his own feet.
The clear difference between these incidents and Aidan O Shea is he deliberately dived ,none of the others did. Have to say I agree with Mindy. He has obviously watched the movie platoon a few too many times
Yeah, but there was no contact at the time of the trip, which is why I called it a bit dodge.
Disappointing second half last night from Fermanagh - tried to keep it tight and defend a 6point lead, and after Mayo's quick start we were never going to do this. A problem which comes from not playing against the top teams on a regular basis - you can defend that type of lead against div 3 & 4 teams, and some div 2 teams, but you can't do it against experienced teams who will eventually grind you down. We showed our inexperience as a team in that 2nd half, and we really needed a McCluskey type presence to organise the defence, and try and create some momentum as we got sucked further and further into our own half.
Whilst our second half was poor, we probably lost the game in a 15minute spell in the first half when we went to sleep. We gave Mayo the ball for that period, and whilst they didnt dent the scoreboard, we were no threat either. I felt with the wind that 6pts would not be enough, as it was almost inevitable at half time that the 2nd half would play out as it did, and we would be hanging on for grim death at the end. Positives on the night was the performance of Aidan Breen who was excellent throughout, and will probably partner Eoin Donnelly in the middle next year. Tomas continued his good form this season, but we need to find a bit more inside to support him and Sean.Would love to see Cian McManus get a run in the league next year in the half back line - and if we could develop a bit more cohesion in that middle eight to create more scoring opportunities we can improve. Would love to see Marty O'Brien released from his corner back duties - he has great pace, and is a defender who can create that attacking overlap.
Key for 2017 is that Pete remains at the helm, and we make a real push for promotion to division 1. I think it is a much better balanced division 2 next year, and with 3 bogey Ulster teams having exited this year, we have as good a chance as anyone for promotion.
I think the O'Shea penalty incident is one of those things - it happens at numerous times over every season - we take them when they are for us, and moan when they go against us. Good luck to Mayo, nothing wrong with building slowly through a season. They'll not be worried about any of the remaining four qualifiers, but it is a huge ask to hit September through the scenic route they have to take this year.
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Referee Mc Quillan had another one of his Tour de Farce performances today again, shocking -- A O'Shea should have been long gone by the time he did is dying swan act.
Do you not think its hard for refs when players are diving around? O Shea cheated the ref and was rewarded with a critical score. If the GAA is serious about ridding the game of this they should do retrospective 2 week bans for diving and feigning injury. The alternative is to allow it to grow more and more into the game and people like a poster earlier will justify it as OK because of this and that - like Aidan gets fouled so he should be allowed cheat. That is the future just like it's already happened in soccer.
I actually think the umpire told McQuillan about the "jersey pull" as you could see him indicating it to one of the players. McQuillan has to go on what he's told as the umpire was much better positioned.
I thought McQuillan did ok.
So did I.
I decided to wait until I had a look at a recording of the game before I'd comment on the penalty incident. Now that I have had a few looks
at the lead up to O'Shea's theatrics, I think Joe had already decided to give Mayo a penalty before O'Shea made contact with the ball.
I watched that segment of play in slo mo and while the images were a bit fuzzy at that resolution, O'Shea and his marker were jostling for position as Kevin Mc launched his kick and if there was a tug on O'Shea's jersey, that's where it happened. (About 61.50 or so on the RTE broadcast.)
I couldn't say for definite that his jersey was tugged but, crucially, the nearest umpire was within 10 metres of the incident and he didn't disagree with Joe Mac's decision.
Maurice Deegan is to be seen in the thick of things arguing with a group of Fermanagh players and it's clear that he agreed with the ref's decision.
It's not clear from the recording if there was a tug on O'Shea's m or not.
I couldn't say there was but Joe Mac, the umpire and Maurice Deegan had a better view of proceedings that I had and they all seem to have felt that there was.
He should not have been on the field.
He should have been black carded and sent off.
That was where McQuillan turned the game in Mayos favour
I'd be inclined to agree with you. Joe didn't cover himself in glory with his handling of the game.
O'Shea didn't do Mayo any favours with his carry-on. From here on, no matter how far Mayo goes, he'll have to watch every step he takes as any ref he comes up against will be watching him closely.
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Yells "ref watch this
foul dive"
You do realise that pic proves he wasn't tripped. Would be better looking at close up pictures of the crowd for the sniper who took him out.
Another poor refereeing decision tonight that went the way of the red and green!
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Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 10, 2016, 03:43:14 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on July 09, 2016, 10:28:32 PM
Quote from: Itchy on July 09, 2016, 10:24:11 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 09, 2016, 09:14:36 PM
Referee Mc Quillan had another one of his Tour de Farce performances today again, shocking -- A O'Shea should have been long gone by the time he did is dying swan act.
Do you not think its hard for refs when players are diving around? O Shea cheated the ref and was rewarded with a critical score. If the GAA is serious about ridding the game of this they should do retrospective 2 week bans for diving and feigning injury. The alternative is to allow it to grow more and more into the game and people like a poster earlier will justify it as OK because of this and that - like Aidan gets fouled so he should be allowed cheat. That is the future just like it's already happened in soccer.
I actually think the umpire told McQuillan about the "jersey pull" as you could see him indicating it to one of the players. McQuillan has to go on what he's told as the umpire was much better positioned.
I thought McQuillan did ok.
So did I.
I decided to wait until I had a look at a recording of the game before I'd comment on the penalty incident. Now that I have had a few looks
at the lead up to O'Shea's theatrics, I think Joe had already decided to give Mayo a penalty before O'Shea made contact with the ball.
I watched that segment of play in slo mo and while the images were a bit fuzzy at that resolution, O'Shea and his marker were jostling for position as Kevin Mc launched his kick and if there was a tug on O'Shea's jersey, that's where it happened. (About 61.50 or so on the RTE broadcast.)
I couldn't say for definite that his jersey was tugged but, crucially, the nearest umpire was within 10 metres of the incident and he didn't disagree with Joe Mac's decision.
Maurice Deegan is to be seen in the thick of things arguing with a group of Fermanagh players and it's clear that he agreed with the ref's decision.
It's not clear from the recording if there was a tug on O'Shea's m or not.
I couldn't say there was but Joe Mac, the umpire and Maurice Deegan had a better view of proceedings that I had and they all seem to have felt that there was.
He should not have been on the field.
He should have been black carded and sent off.
That was where McQuillan turned the game in Mayos favour
I'd be inclined to agree with you. Joe didn't cover himself in glory with his handling of the game.
O'Shea didn't do Mayo any favours with his carry-on. From here on, no matter how far Mayo goes, he'll have to watch every step he takes as any ref he comes up against will be watching him closely.
Well you will have no worries there. He'll get feck all anyway! So don't worry about losing any sleep in regards to that!
That picture looks photo shopped to me.
If Mayo kept the old jersey with the elegant band in the middle rather than the post modern load of shite that makes so much money for Elverys they wouldn't need an away jersey playing Fermanagh
Quote from: Jinxy on July 10, 2016, 11:07:03 PM
That picture looks photo shopped to me.
Me too, Aido usually shaves his legs and applies a coat of ronseal.
Good man Mayo Mick. Finally a picture that shows the jersey pull... its clear from the numbers and the letters on the front of Aidans jersey that it's being pulled by Cullens left hand.
Quote from: seafoid on July 10, 2016, 11:13:21 PM
If Mayo kept the old jersey with the elegant band in the middle rather than the post modern load of shite that makes so much money for Elverys they wouldn't need an away jersey playing Fermanagh
The old jersey was mostly green. Fermanagh all green.
Hate that new bloody jersey though.
Should be a free out for Fermanagh's goal... :P
Didn't get to see the Sunday Game tonight but did Aidan O'Shea get publicly flogged enough to keep the Dubs and the Tymoanies happy, or does Joe Duffy need to do an hour on this tomorrow
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Yells "ref watch this foul dive"
AOS got head butted in the ear too. And the crowd on the other side were so close they must have seen it all. The telephoto lens never lies.
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Are you seeking a caption for that picture?
Yells "ref watch this foul dive"
AOS got head butted in the ear too. And the crowd on the other side were so close they must have
seen it all. The telephoto lens never lies.
Wonder will they ask AOS to try the glove on to see if it fits
Quote from: criostlinn on July 10, 2016, 11:51:51 PM
Didn't get to see the Sunday Game tonight but did Aidan O'Shea get publicly flogged enough to keep the Dubs and the Tymoanies happy, or does Joe Duffy need to do an hour on this tomorrow
No fair enough analysis from Whelan and OShea.Basically said that he dived and it would be something he would regret doing but should not be slaughtered on social media.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 10, 2016, 02:50:56 PM
A few thoughts...
First half Mayo were awful. I honestly didn't see the second half performance coming at any stage, despite playing against the wind. Fermanagh were well on top in all sectors of the field and Freeman was lucky to be in the right place at the right time to get the goal. I thought he would have a stormer, but I don't know about him. Over on mayoblog before the game people wanted him to start etc. Sorry Alan, apart from the goal, what did he do? Saying that, it was a bloody important score in the overall context of the game. There was no way in he'll Mayo would have got back into it if he hadn't scored it. Enough on the first half. There wasn't much else to be positive from a Mayo point of view at least. Fermanagh totally ran riot at midfield. Their forwards were kicking some great scores too.
The second half, (apart from the penalty) was better from Mayo. For the majority of it, the play was in the Fermanagh half of the field. On came Barry Moran, while I thought we were beginning to get a foothold in the middle of the field, Barry just solidified it.
The penalty that was given shouldn't have been. I was sure that COC was fouled at the time before hand, but I'll have to watch it again to see if he was or not.
It is a bit worrying that Mayo have to go back to the 'oldies' such as Dillon, who proved me wrong by scoring 2 great points and A Moran to calm things down. Not sure if Durcan is living up to what he's supposed to be tbh. Two poor games in a row. He has time on his side, but the youngsters from Dublin, Kerry et al are capable of doing it. Vaughan did well when he came on.
I guess we'll never know if Fermanagh would have won if the penalty wasn't given. I honestly don't think they would. Yes, I might be biased I know 😉
Can't afford a half like the first half agsin. Against any team. A win is a win.
Agree with most of what you said.
Freeman very disappointed with him again. He just give up the ball too easily, just way to lax, Fermanagh point in 31st minute was almost a direct result of his laziness, maybe he needs more consistent playing time, but the window is narrowing. We do need him, that is the bottom line and he has the class to do it.
Need to watch again, but like v Galway Harrison seemed to struggle again, he is young and has time on his side but got cleaned in first half by a good forward mind you.
I have yet to be convinced by Coen same as above hopefully he will come good. Not this year though.
Regan hopefully will get his shooting boots sooner rather than later.
Andy Moran as I mentioned looked like he was trying to pad his career stats.
Dillon a lot of value added.
Happy to have won. Let's win again next week and then Croke Park on July 30th.
In fairness Andy might be the only one with the sense to realise padding stats is all that can be achieved now :-X
I can't really see why people are comparing this incident to the McCann one last year. McCann's one was a complete over reaction that made him look silly and I think he got a lot of negative press over it and rightfully so.
However to me this dive was nothing that new or shocking in this day and age. Whilst it is cheating and not welcome in our games, winning a soft penalty has been around for a long time. As someone else mentioned how often do players grab the defenders arm and drag him down with him looking for a penalty. The lads on TSG last night both said they thought it was a dive and that Aidan will have to now deal with the consequences of that but also you have to wonder did his manager or someone tell him he needs to go down much more otherwise refs will continue to wave play on as they think he's a big strong lad that doesn't need as much protection as others.
It's a hard job reffing a game and it looks like McQuillan "fell" for this Aidan dive.
Yeah very different situation. There was minimal contact (say 5% force) and O'Shea exaggerated it to make it like enough contact to be knocked down (say 30%+ force) in order to win a penalty.
There was 0% force on McCann and he completely contrived being struck in order to get a player sent off.
Im sorry but "freeman has the class to do it" can you please explain why he hasnt done it since aisf 2013 so ? I have to ask are you from aghamore parish?
Quote from: blanketattack on July 12, 2016, 05:33:39 PM
Yeah very different situation. There was minimal contact (say 5% force) and O'Shea exaggerated it to make it like enough contact to be knocked down (say 30%+ force) in order to win a penalty.
There was 0% force on McCann and he completely contrived being struck in order to get a player sent off.
O'Shea dived.
McCann dived.
A dive is a dive and both did in the heat of the moment to gain an advantage for their side.
O'Shea has previous form for this though but nothing has been made of that because the jersey he wears means he gets a pass. The most thuggish game of the year we had last year was Mayo-Dublin and we had the same lads who were talking about bad smells, apologies, ashamed and appalling when it came to Tyrone trying to defend the actions of McMahon, Cooper, Connolly, Keegan, O'Connor etc.
It's not about what was done, it is about who did it and quite disgracefully Tyrone are being held to different rules that the rest.
I'm not sure I subscribe to the idea that AOS is fouled everytime he is in possession. He's certainly been hard done by in previous years on the odd occasion but having watched him in action against Galway & Fermanagh I didn't see any evidence of that; I did AOS clearly dive 3 last Saturday, once to win a free in the first half then again to win the pen and finally he tried running through about 3 Fermanagh men when he simply dived to the floor to win a free which ended up given against him. Whilst he continues with his style of trying to run through opposition players i'm sure we'll continue to have this debate.