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And so we meet again. Two evenly matched sides - either capable of beating the other.

McGee, probably the dirtiest defender in Ulster since Gerry McCarville, misses out but it won't make much of a difference. Expecting a better display from Monaghan than last year's Ulster Final.

Neil mcgee maybe?

Quote from: timmyot501 on June 12, 2016, 05:01:38 PM
Neil mcgee maybe?

Vicious McGee, dig in the ribs McGee. Stamp on your ankle McGee...his supporters would say..."he may be a bastard...but he's our bastard."

Promising start to the discussion

I'll get this one started then.

2 mediocre sides. Donegal are past it now and Monaghan are a one man show.

I think Donegal are over the hill. Monaghan to win by 3 or 4 and Tyrone to beat Cavan in a close game and overcome Monaghan in the final.

Well, we'll have to improve quite a bit on yesterday to have any chance. Corrigan got seven points from frees (and Quigley missed a penalty too). How many will we give away to McManus, assuming he doesn't knock it over the bar first? And the kick-out problems remain, something Monaghan exploited in the league game after their poor start that day.

Oh how we could do with the 2006 version of Karl Lacey to look after McManus!

Quote from: SouthDublinBro on June 13, 2016, 07:45:35 PM
I'll get this one started then.

2 mediocre sides. Donegal are past it now and Monaghan are a one man show.

The thread is in serious bother if a man who clearly knows feck all about football gets its started

J70 what's the story with injuries?
What's wrong with Murphy and Lacey?
You will feel Murphy has a lot more to offer but rarely does as they said last night on TSG

Quote from: Fuzzman on June 13, 2016, 09:05:44 PM
J70 what's the story with injuries?
What's wrong with Murphy and Lacey?
You will feel Murphy has a lot more to offer but rarely does as they said last night on TSG

Lacey is apparently injured. Was in the stand yesterday.

Murphy is just being wasted as a spoke in the wheel in the blanket defence/fast break system. Played a lovely, drilled ball in to pick McBrearty out the crowd for the first point of the game, but the rest was just run of the mill linkage and covering that is a complete waste of his talents. But then poor McBrearty is barely getting a touch up front on his own, so throwing Murphy up there with him, if they're not going to hit fast quick ball in, would probably be a waste too. Even if he was in at centre forward, which he would excel at in a classic line-up with his intelligence and vision, he probably wouldn't get on the ball much anyway, or at least no more than he does now. He is being sacrificed for the greater "good" unfortunately, as he can fill so many holes/roles.

The worst part is that the likes of Tyrone and Monaghan are probably better than us at this system at this point anyway with the miles some of our more important players have behind them. I'd like to see a few more of the young lads get a run - what was the point, in the long view anyway, of bringing Colm McFadden on yesterday with the game won, instead of someone like Stephen McBrearty or Ciaran Thompson? McFadden had a decent year last year, at least compared to the previous two, but this is his fourteenth or fifteenth season, albeit he did sit one out ten years ago.

Wasn't impressed with Donegal yesterday, fancy Monaghan to win this. Hopefully set up a final v Cavan, that would be good craic

Quote from: J70 on June 13, 2016, 09:19:24 PM
Lacey is apparently injured. Was in the stand yesterday.

Murphy is just being wasted as a spoke in the wheel in the blanket defence/fast break system. Played a lovely, drilled ball in to pick McBrearty out the crowd for the first point of the game, but the rest was just run of the mill linkage and covering that is a complete waste of his talents. But then poor McBrearty is barely getting a touch up front on his own, so throwing Murphy up there with him, if they're not going to hit fast quick ball in, would probably be a waste too. Even if he was in at centre forward, which he would excel at in a classic line-up with his intelligence and vision, he probably wouldn't get on the ball much anyway, or at least no more than he does now. He is being sacrificed for the greater "good" unfortunately, as he can fill so many holes/roles.

It's all academic, Corey'll blot him out no matter where he is on the parc. I'd say Murphy's havin nightmares already..  :P

Quote from: J70 on June 13, 2016, 09:19:24 PM
The worst part is that the likes of Tyrone and Monaghan are probably better than us at this system at this point anyway with the miles some of our more important players have behind them. I'd like to see a few more of the young lads get a run - what was the point, in the long view anyway, of bringing Colm McFadden on yesterday with the game won, instead of someone like Stephen McBrearty or Ciaran Thompson? McFadden had a decent year last year, at least compared to the previous two, but this is his fourteenth or fifteenth season, albeit he did sit one out ten years ago.

It's not easy when someone else betters you at a system of play that your team meticulously pioneered..  ::)

All jokin aside, it'll be a tight affair and I certainly don't buy in to this notion that 'Donegal are past it/over the hill'. I do hear ya re bringing on the older guns, Monaghan done this too the last day. Perhaps it's a recognition for their efforts in the training and for the experience that they bring to the younger lads. I too would like to see the likes of McCarron/McGinn get some championship game time but it's also good to see the likes of Clerkin/Finlay comin on as it can lift the team.

Let's blow the cobwebs off this one..

Will yesterday's game have influenced either or both? I reckon this game will be as intense, and hopefully not cynical, as yesterday's wasn't overly.

Any other oul craic?

Any word of any fresh injury concerns? Is Barry McGinn available?

Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on June 20, 2016, 12:42:11 PM
Let's blow the cobwebs off this one..

Will yesterday's game have influenced either or both? I reckon this game will be as intense, and hopefully not cynical, as yesterday's wasn't overly.

Any other oul craic?

I'd imagine both sides are thinking that there could be a relatively handy Ulster title to be won if they win this game.

Quote from: twohands!!! on June 20, 2016, 04:54:26 PM

Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on June 20, 2016, 12:42:11 PM
Let's blow the cobwebs off this one..

Will yesterday's game have influenced either or both? I reckon this game will be as intense, and hopefully not cynical, as yesterday's wasn't overly.

Any other oul craic?

I'd imagine both sides are thinking that there could be a relatively handy Ulster title to be won if they win this game.

Sure they are...

Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on June 20, 2016, 12:42:11 PM
Let's blow the cobwebs off this one..

Will yesterday's game have influenced either or both? I reckon this game will be as intense, and hopefully not cynical, as yesterday's wasn't overly.

Any other oul craic?

We all know its going to be cynical and dirty and defensive, with a couple of players on either side rising above it.

Whether it is tight or not depends on a couple of things, mostly Donegal weaknesses to date:

If Monaghan exploit our weaknesses on kickouts, they could keep us penned in a bit and score a few points and maybe even a goal off our kickouts. We won't win much in the air in the absence of Neil Gallagher, and McGinley just hasn't had the experience or practise to even come remotely close to what Durcan could do with the short kickouts.

We will miss Neil McGee badly, unless Lacey somehow reverts into a top-class man marker and does a good job on McManus (more likely that Paddy McGrath will get the job).

So basically, you have a Donegal team missing some of its strongest central components (Durcan, McGee, Gallagher) trying to beat a similar Monaghan team to the one they lost to last year, albeit in as tight a fashion as they could have lost a game. But now they're the same, we're a bit weaker.

Monaghan by five or six (obviously I hope I'm wrong), and a grinding run to the quarters via the back door if we avoid Mayo.

Quote from: twohands!!! on June 20, 2016, 04:54:26 PM

Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on June 20, 2016, 12:42:11 PM
Let's blow the cobwebs off this one..

Will yesterday's game have influenced either or both? I reckon this game will be as intense, and hopefully not cynical, as yesterday's wasn't overly.

Any other oul craic?

I'd imagine both sides are thinking that there could be a relatively handy Ulster title to be won if they win this game.

Both sides would be very wrong to think there's a handy Ulster title for the winner. Mattie Donnelly is the stand out play maker in this years U.C.

I think Monaghan will win this one with a bit to spare!

mattie donnelly top player but i think tyrone dont depend on just him

Quote from: babarino on June 21, 2016, 10:19:04 AM

Quote from: twohands!!! on June 20, 2016, 04:54:26 PM

Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on June 20, 2016, 12:42:11 PM
Let's blow the cobwebs off this one..

Will yesterday's game have influenced either or both? I reckon this game will be as intense, and hopefully not cynical, as yesterday's wasn't overly.

Any other oul craic?

I'd imagine both sides are thinking that there could be a relatively handy Ulster title to be won if they win this game.

Both sides would be very wrong to think there's a handy Ulster title for the winner. Mattie Donnelly is the stand out play maker in this years U.C.

I actually didn't think he had hit the heights of some previous performances. I'd actually rate Colm Cavanagh's performances above his this year.

Quote from: J70 on June 20, 2016, 04:58:18 PM

Quote from: twohands!!! on June 20, 2016, 04:54:26 PM

Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on June 20, 2016, 12:42:11 PM
Let's blow the cobwebs off this one..

Will yesterday's game have influenced either or both? I reckon this game will be as intense, and hopefully not cynical, as yesterday's wasn't overly.

Any other oul craic?

I'd imagine both sides are thinking that there could be a relatively handy Ulster title to be won if they win this game.

Sure they are...

I did use "relatively"

It's not like I'm saying it would be a cakewalk, but I can't see either side fearing Tyrone or Cavan all that much after Sunday's game.

McGee's appeal fails: http://www.hoganstand.com/Monaghan/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=257069 (http://www.hoganstand.com/Monaghan/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=257069)

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Neil McGee's appeal against his two-match ban has fallen on deaf ears.

The Central Hearings Committee has ruled against the Donegal defender and that means he will miss Saturday's Ulster SFC semi-final showdown against Monaghan as well as his side's next game in the championship.

The CHC released the following statement:

Hearing 1 of 1: Niall Mac aoidh

Competition: Ulster GAA Football Championship

Fixture: Dún na nGall v Fear Manach

Venue: Ballybofey

Data: 12ú Meitheamh

In relation to the above game, An Lár Choiste Cheannais na gComórtaisí (Central Competitions Control Committee) instituted Disciplinary Action against Niall Mac Aoidh alleging a breach of 7.2 (b) Category III (i) T.O 2016, that is to say "Striking with arm".

The player in question requested a Hearing which took place on 21ú Meitheamh. An Lár Choiste Éisteachta (Central Hearings Committee) found the Infraction proven and as this was a repeat Infraction, imposed a Two Match Suspension in the same Code and at the same Level applicable to the next games in the combination of the National League / Inter-County Senior Championship, even if one or both occur(s) in the following year.
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Seriously, why would you even consider a hearing when it was so blatant? Before anyone has a go, I would apply the same logic/reasoning if a Monaghan player was the guilty party here.. It's an affront on people's intelligence, and especially those in the CCCC, that these incidents are even appealed. If he were protesting his innocence based on some technicality or loophole you could argue, yes, go for it as the rules should be tightened up, but such was the nature of the incident there can be no appeal; take your punishment and get on with it. There has been far too much of this craic in today's litigious GAA world..

Rant over.

Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on June 22, 2016, 02:24:33 PM
McGee's appeal fails: http://www.hoganstand.com/Monaghan/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=257069 (http://www.hoganstand.com/Monaghan/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=257069)

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Neil McGee's appeal against his two-match ban has fallen on deaf ears.

The Central Hearings Committee has ruled against the Donegal defender and that means he will miss Saturday's Ulster SFC semi-final showdown against Monaghan as well as his side's next game in the championship.

The CHC released the following statement:

Hearing 1 of 1: Niall Mac aoidh

Competition: Ulster GAA Football Championship

Fixture: Dún na nGall v Fear Manach

Venue: Ballybofey

Data: 12ú Meitheamh

In relation to the above game, An Lár Choiste Cheannais na gComórtaisí (Central Competitions Control Committee) instituted Disciplinary Action against Niall Mac Aoidh alleging a breach of 7.2 (b) Category III (i) T.O 2016, that is to say "Striking with arm".

The player in question requested a Hearing which took place on 21ú Meitheamh. An Lár Choiste Éisteachta (Central Hearings Committee) found the Infraction proven and as this was a repeat Infraction, imposed a Two Match Suspension in the same Code and at the same Level applicable to the next games in the combination of the National League / Inter-County Senior Championship, even if one or both occur(s) in the following year.
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Seriously, why would you even consider a hearing when it was so blatant? Before anyone has a go, I would apply the same logic/reasoning if a Monaghan player was the guilty party here.. It's an affront on people's intelligence, and especially those in the CCCC, that these incidents are even appealed. If he were protesting his innocence based on some technicality or loophole you could argue, yes, go for it as the rules should be tightened up, but such was the nature of the incident there can be no appeal; take your punishment and get on with it. There has been far too much of this craic in today's litigious GAA world..

Rant over.

I agree that there is way too much of this type of appeal in the GAA. But it's hard to blame Neil McGee personally for it. Several people of the last few years have got appeals upheld when there shouldn't have been a case to be heard at all.

What needs to happen is that the CCCC (or whoever hears these appeals) needs to 1) stop letting people off when the offence is obvious and 2) bring in a rule (like in soccer) that an appeal which has zero grounds for success (frivolous appeal) results in an additional 1 match ban .

in time people will think twice about lodging meaningless appeals.

At the moment, there is absolutely no discouragement to lodge an appeal (regardless of how unlikely it is to succeed)

I suppose the only way of stopping these type of appeals is to have the possibility of having the length of suspension extended in the event of the appeal being unsuccessful. But given the system that exists you cant blame the Donegal board as it is a shot to nothing.

They knew he wasn't getting off. Rory Gallagher said so himself earlier in the week. And I can only imagine he was laughed out of the room (or should have been!).

The only possible defense I could see would be that he didn't mean to hit him in the face, but instead was trying to muscle his way out, but even that is not a defense. No more than if Michael Murphy clothes-lined Ryan McHugh in a club game due to the height difference. You have to have some duty of care towards your opponent.

But the consensus seems to be to give it a shot anyway and hopefully get the player off on some technicality, no matter what the offense.

Theres obviously a precedent to appeal and get off .... I still cant figure out how in the name of Jaysus the Mayo lad got off with hitting Murphy a slap in the mouth last year ... I mean, it was so blatant and all captured 100% clear on video .... how the hell did he get off?  :-/

Quote from: J70 on June 22, 2016, 04:43:55 PM
They knew he wasn't getting off. Rory Gallagher said so himself earlier in the week. And I can only imagine he was laughed out of the room (or should have been!).

The only possible defense I could see would be that he didn't mean to hit him in the face, but instead was trying to muscle his way out, but even that is not a defense. No more than if Michael Murphy clothes-lined Ryan McHugh in a club game due to the height difference. You have to have some duty of care towards your opponent.

But the consensus seems to be to give it a shot anyway and hopefully get the player off on some technicality, no matter what the offense.

Agreed. And that is the problem!

There should be a discouragement for ridiculous appeals!

Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on June 22, 2016, 02:24:33 PM
McGee's appeal fails: http://www.hoganstand.com/Monaghan/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=257069 (http://www.hoganstand.com/Monaghan/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=257069)

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Neil McGee's appeal against his two-match ban has fallen on deaf ears.

The Central Hearings Committee has ruled against the Donegal defender and that means he will miss Saturday's Ulster SFC semi-final showdown against Monaghan as well as his side's next game in the championship.

The CHC released the following statement:

Hearing 1 of 1: Niall Mac aoidh

Competition: Ulster GAA Football Championship

Fixture: Dún na nGall v Fear Manach

Venue: Ballybofey

Data: 12ú Meitheamh

In relation to the above game, An Lár Choiste Cheannais na gComórtaisí (Central Competitions Control Committee) instituted Disciplinary Action against Niall Mac Aoidh alleging a breach of 7.2 (b) Category III (i) T.O 2016, that is to say "Striking with arm".

The player in question requested a Hearing which took place on 21ú Meitheamh. An Lár Choiste Éisteachta (Central Hearings Committee) found the Infraction proven and as this was a repeat Infraction, imposed a Two Match Suspension in the same Code and at the same Level applicable to the next games in the combination of the National League / Inter-County Senior Championship, even if one or both occur(s) in the following year.
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Seriously, why would you even consider a hearing when it was so blatant? Before anyone has a go, I would apply the same logic/reasoning if a Monaghan player was the guilty party here.. It's an affront on people's intelligence, and especially those in the CCCC, that these incidents are even appealed. If he were protesting his innocence based on some technicality or loophole you could argue, yes, go for it as the rules should be tightened up, but such was the nature of the incident there can be no appeal; take your punishment and get on with it. There has been far too much of this craic in today's litigious GAA world..

Rant over.

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Donegal team announced:

Mark Anthony McGinley;
Paddy McGrath, Ciaran Gillespie, Eamon McGee;
Ryan McHugh, Frank McGlynn, Karl Lacey;
Rory Kavanagh; Odhran MacNiallais;
Anthony Thompson, Martin McElhinney, Eoin McHugh;
Patrick McBrearty, Michael Murphy, Martin O'Reilly.

Who knows if that team will start? Hopefully the Gillespie selection is for real, as he appears to be very highly rated within the county. Whether he will be tasked with McManus is a different kettle of fish - more likely he'll push out to half-back and Lacey or McGlynn will drop back, assuming, again, that that is the line-up. But then McGlynn could also swap with Anthony Thompson.

At least we have options on the bench with Neil Gallagher possibly fit to play at least a part and the likes of McLoone, Mark McHugh, O'Connor, Toye, McFadden, young McBrearty etc available.

1 Rory Beggan
2 Colin Walshe
3 Drew Wylie
4 Ryan Wylie
5 Dessie Mone
6 Vinny Corey
7 Kieran Duffy   
8 Karl O'Connell
9 Kieran Hughes
10 Shane Carey
11 Dermot Malone   
12 Ryan Mc Anespie
13 Conor Mc Carthy   
14 Darren Hughes   
15 Conor McManus

16 Conor Forde
17 Conor Boyle
18 Fintan Kelly
19 Neil McAdam
20 Dick Clerkin   
21 Paul  Finlay   
22 Stephen Gollogly
23 Thomas Kerr
24 Owen Duffy   
25 Daniel Mc Kenna   
26 Jack Mc Carron   

Same again for Monaghan, but I'd say we'll see the usual late change or two.

Half time,
six of one half dozen of the other.
I think Monaghan are leading on the hit count and we use to be such good friends with Donegal.

It's weird not being at a Championship match. Monaghan the better team by a reasonable distance during the middle stretch of the half.

I'm quite blown away by just how bad Sky's coverage is though. I suppose I haven't been subjected to much of it. The commentators take such little care with their words, read the game poorly and are very slow to recognise the newer faces.

Are none of ye watching this? 6-6 half time.
Seriously physical game. Some amazing hard shoulders and collisions. Corey marking Murphy with 2 sweepers.
Was it Monaghan who started the handbags at the half time whistle?

With anything cynical, Donegal are guilty until proven otherwise.

Christ the ice baths will be needed tonight.

Very physical game. We've hit some bad wides but creating more I think, so need to be more clinical. We're doing well on their kickout too, need to keep that up. We've been slow starters in most games this year so hopefully we'll come out strong in the second half again.

I can't decide who I want to win.
Should we beat Cavan I think I'd rather meet Donegal in the final as we need to beat them at some stage.

Quote from: Schkite on June 25, 2016, 07:52:23 PM
Christ the ice baths will be needed tonight.

Very physical game. We've hit some bad wides but creating more I think, so need to be more clinical. We're doing well on their kickout too, need to keep that up. We've been slow starters in most games this year so hopefully we'll come out strong in the second half again.

Sky fill the culture gap with stats. Monaghan have won 4/7 of the Donegal kickouts, according to the flashing banner.

They made a big deal of Murphy felling Drew, so what,  a man mountain knock over a dwarf,  even Vinny, monaghan's tallest player looks small beside Murphy.

Clearly a foot block, no matter what the commentator says.

Donegal giving this away. Horrible free misses. At least two points from stupid turnovers. Shocking stuff.

Well worked goal for Donegal.

Take Monaghan out of clones and they are poor

No doubt there will be post after post about the level of cynicism in this game.

Quote from: BennyHarp on June 25, 2016, 08:34:34 PM
No doubt there will be post after post about the level of cynicism in this game.

Disgusting from the keeper there.

Great dive from the goalkeeper.

Quote from: oakleafgael on June 25, 2016, 08:35:30 PM

Quote from: BennyHarp on June 25, 2016, 08:34:34 PM
No doubt there will be post after post about the level of cynicism in this game.

Disgusting from the keeper there.

Horrible

A phenomenal amount of cynical behaviour on both sides.

Donegal had 16 players on the field at the time of that free....and they have had a man sent off??  :o

FFS Dick.

Both Ulster semis drawn.

Quote from: hardstation on June 25, 2016, 08:40:29 PM

Quote from: BennyHarp on June 25, 2016, 08:38:27 PM
Donegal had 16 players on the field at the time of that free....and they have had a man sent off??  :o

Then they had 13.

Is that including Maxi Curran?

When is the replay? The week before the Ulster final?

Donegal played on the very line under McGuiness but Gallagher's behaviour is unreal for an inter county manager.

Christ Dick...

Alot of bullshit will be talked about this game, and there were some bad elements during the second half. Right now I'm just happy we have another crack at it as we were very poor. Donegal got through our defence way too easily, and we didn't do nearly enough with the possession we won from kickouts.

Some set on McManus though to kick those last few frees to save us, especially after the one he skewed wide just before.

Quote from: oakleafgael on June 25, 2016, 08:35:30 PM

Quote from: BennyHarp on June 25, 2016, 08:34:34 PM
No doubt there will be post after post about the level of cynicism in this game.

Disgusting from the keeper there.

How do you know?

The Monaghan player pushed the ball into his face. You never got a clip on the end of the nose?

Quote from: oakleafgael on June 25, 2016, 08:44:58 PM
Donegal played on the very line under McGuiness but Gallagher's behaviour is unreal for an inter county manager.

Ryan Porter a p***k also.

Content enough with the draw but would have been in a murderous mood if Donegal had won that game.
Both teams kicked a similar amount of chances away.
Good to see some old fashioned Ulster bite in the challenges but not the cynical stuff.
I think Monaghan have more football  about their game to beat Donegal and will improve all the more after this game.

Quote from: Schkite on June 25, 2016, 08:46:30 PM
Christ Dick...

Alot of bullshit will be talked about this game, and there were some bad elements during the second half. Right now I'm just happy we have another crack at it as we were very poor. Donegal got through our defence way too easily, and we didn't do nearly enough with the possession we won from kickouts.

Some set on McManus though to kick those last few frees to save us, especially after the one he skewed wide just before.

Both will probably be frustrated with some of their misses  - first half especially for Monaghan, second for Donegal.

Can Donegal keep McManus as quiet again next day though?

Where did all the injury time come from?

The cliche is that neither team deserved to lose, but I'm not sure that either deserved to win. In the end, McQuillan had the steady hand to grab the draw! In a paralell world both semis would have gone to extra-time and I doubt if anyone would have been particularly sad about that.

Before the game I was worried about Donegal and frees - worried that the tackling had become so slack that they would give too many away. But who saw twenty-something wides coming between the two teams? Remarkable to see such good players miss such favourable frees.

I sometimes worry that I slightly overrate the young players coming through, but Gillespie & Eoin McHugh look so comfortable at this level already. For Monaghan, McCarthy & McAnespie mighn't be superstars, but they're exactly what they needed - good young forwards.

Karl O'Connell, however, is an All Star in waiting. Odhrán, king of the baffling wide followed by casually brilliant score, seems to be planning to get his through sheers goals alone.

It was less frustrating than last year, I suppose. Maybe. This team isn't what it could be.

On a side note, as frustrating as RTÉ can be, they're years ahead of Sky.

Who won the minor game?

With a man down and 2 or 3 up it looked Monaghan's to lose but that goal swung it back in Donegals favour.

Quite a lot of cynical play as expected between these two but sadly that's what comes with these big games between teams at similar levels. Small margins can win games whereas it's easy for the neutral to say that's disgraceful.

Does that mean da udder Magee is back for the final now should they win?

Keeper made a tit of himself, he got a shove in upper chest and after he bumped into his own player his threw the head back like he was hit by a sniper.

Very enjoyable game. The quality of the football hasn't been great but the Ulster championship is definitely the best value for money in terms of competitiveness. Replay next week, I'm presuming Saturday evening again?

Quote from: J70 on June 25, 2016, 08:55:15 PM
Who won the minor game?

Donegal  won it  3-15  to 2-12.

Free taking aside, I thought Murphy had a much better game today. Whereas Lacey didn't get into it as much, and clearly is a wee bit short of pace. That game will do them good though.
Gillespie didn't look out of place at all for a lad making his championship debut - very strong looking lad, and even threw in an off-the-ball block to free up MacNiallais for the goal chance! :P Will be disappointed with missing his own great chance though, although he might have claims for a possible foot block.

Quote from: Main Street on June 25, 2016, 09:00:47 PM

Quote from: J70 on June 25, 2016, 08:55:15 PM
Who won the minor game?

Donegal  won it  3-15  to 2-12.

Good win for our boys. Derry in final. Is that really good player they had last year (Glass, I think) still on the team?

Quote from: J70 on June 25, 2016, 09:17:20 PM

Quote from: Main Street on June 25, 2016, 09:00:47 PM

Quote from: J70 on June 25, 2016, 08:55:15 PM
Who won the minor game?

Donegal  won it  3-15  to 2-12.

Good win for our boys. Derry in final. Is that really good player they had last year (Glass, I think) still on the team?

No.

doctors are now the big thing waving fingers in front of players eyes god be with the days when you would have been afraid to go down or you would be taking off for being soft

Quote from: J70 on June 25, 2016, 08:47:01 PM

Quote from: oakleafgael on June 25, 2016, 08:35:30 PM

Quote from: BennyHarp on June 25, 2016, 08:34:34 PM
No doubt there will be post after post about the level of cynicism in this game.

Disgusting from the keeper there.

How do you know?

The Monaghan player pushed the ball into his face. You never got a clip on the end of the nose?

Need to take of those donegal tinted glasses. Goalkeeper was a disgrace taking a dive like that and deserved a proper slap for acting the pri*ck.  Typical ulster championship game. Close game but constant off the ball fouling and cheap/cynical shots that ref can't see. Shows what a joke linesmen & especially umpires are. Didn't give the ref any help.

Leinster football might be a joke with the dubs dominance but at least the teams try and play football and none of the basketball tactics and cynical rubbish that was tonight on view.

On a side point watching James Horan on the tv the last few weeks its clear he hasn't a clue.  No wonder Mayo couldn't get over the line with him in charge.  Clearly well able to get the team fit and athletic but hasn't a clue about tactics   

dublin 7 its not long since muzzles would be needed for some of your jackeens so less of your lectures

Quote from: omagh_gael on June 25, 2016, 08:59:34 PM
Keeper made a tit of himself, he got a shove in upper chest and after he bumped into his own player his threw the head back like he was hit by a sniper.

Very enjoyable game. The quality of the football hasn't been great but the Ulster championship is definitely the best value for money in terms of competitiveness. Replay next week, I'm presuming Saturday evening again?

The missed chances took away from the quality of the competitiveness, somewhat.
The goalie might have made a tit of himself but at least the ref added on the minutes.

If the reports that the replay is next week are accurate then the decision to play Tyrone v Cavan replay 2 weeks after first game is now even more ridiculous! Where is the logic when they could have played it tomorrow, allowing a week recovery, with the same option for Monaghan/Donegal in the event of a draw.

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Quote from: oakleafgael on June 25, 2016, 08:35:30 PM

Quote from: BennyHarp on June 25, 2016, 08:34:34 PM
No doubt there will be post after post about the level of cynicism in this game.

Disgusting from the keeper there.

How do you know?

The Monaghan player pushed the ball into his face. You never got a clip on the end of the nose?

Need to take of those donegal tinted glasses. Goalkeeper was a disgrace taking a dive like that and deserved a proper slap for acting the pri*ck.  Typical ulster championship game. Close game but constant off the ball fouling and cheap/cynical shots that ref can't see. Shows what a joke linesmen & especially umpires are. Didn't give the ref any help.

I didn't come down either way on the keeper. He could have been faking, but how do you (or the commentators) know either way? We're not talking something clearcut like Tiernan McCann here.

It looked to me like the Monaghan player slapped the ball and pushed it into his face. You get that on the end of the nose and you're seeing stars for a minute.

But, I'll take a look again to see what I'm apparently missing.

Typical Ulster football. Cynical as cynical can be.

The Donegal lot are shameful. They were at the same stuff against Fermanagh.
Tonight you had a Maor Foirne who was interfering with play and getting away with it. You had a doctor who was on every 5mins waving his fingers at players who were clearly faking injury. Their goalie is an embarrassment and should get a suspension for what he did tonight. What an example to young players. This is Gaelic football, not premier league. Donegal you really need to take a look at yourselves.

is that the doctor who was left on his posterior by an armagh player two years ago

Just saw the keeper's dive.
Hope he's humiliated on the Sunday Game tomorrow night.

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Quote from: BennyHarp on June 25, 2016, 08:34:34 PM
No doubt there will be post after post about the level of cynicism in this game.

Disgusting from the keeper there.

How do you know?

The Monaghan player pushed the ball into his face. You never got a clip on the end of the nose?

Need to take of those donegal tinted glasses. Goalkeeper was a disgrace taking a dive like that and deserved a proper slap for acting the pri*ck.  Typical ulster championship game. Close game but constant off the ball fouling and cheap/cynical shots that ref can't see. Shows what a joke linesmen & especially umpires are. Didn't give the ref any help.

I didn't come down either way on the keeper. He could have been faking, but how do you (or the commentators) know either way? We're not talking something clearcut like Tiernan McCann here.

It looked to me like the Monaghan player slapped the ball and pushed it into his face. You get that on the end of the nose and you're seeing stars for a minute.

But, I'll take a look again to see what I'm apparently missing.

If you honestly think that wasn't a dive it's either specsavers or a white cane you need.

Comical Ali has nothing on you with your pathetic defense of the indefensible.  I'm no fan of Tyrone but if one their players pulled a stunt like that he would be crucified by all and sundry. As a previous poster pointed out he should be named and shamed on Sunday game tomorrow night

Very cynical play from both sides. Predictable ulster stuff. McManus' great free taking the only highlights of the game. Would worry about playing Donegal marginally more further down the line, Monaghan seem more one-dimensional than them going forward. Donegal worked a few good goal chances but can't see that same movement working for them against the real top sides.

Would fancy Tyrone to win Ulster this year.

Quote from: dublin7 on June 25, 2016, 09:33:34 PMLeinster football might be a joke with the dubs dominance but at least the teams try and play football and none of the basketball tactics and cynical rubbish that was tonight on view.

On a side point watching James Horan on the tv the last few weeks its clear he hasn't a clue.  No wonder Mayo couldn't get over the line with him in charge.  Clearly well able to get the team fit and athletic but hasn't a clue about tactics

+1 on both points.

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Quote from: oakleafgael on June 25, 2016, 08:35:30 PM

Quote from: BennyHarp on June 25, 2016, 08:34:34 PM
No doubt there will be post after post about the level of cynicism in this game.

Disgusting from the keeper there.

How do you know?

The Monaghan player pushed the ball into his face. You never got a clip on the end of the nose?

Need to take of those donegal tinted glasses. Goalkeeper was a disgrace taking a dive like that and deserved a proper slap for acting the pri*ck.  Typical ulster championship game. Close game but constant off the ball fouling and cheap/cynical shots that ref can't see. Shows what a joke linesmen & especially umpires are. Didn't give the ref any help.

I didn't come down either way on the keeper. He could have been faking, but how do you (or the commentators) know either way? We're not talking something clearcut like Tiernan McCann here.

It looked to me like the Monaghan player slapped the ball and pushed it into his face. You get that on the end of the nose and you're seeing stars for a minute.

But, I'll take a look again to see what I'm apparently missing.

If you honestly think that wasn't a dive it's either specsavers or a white cane you need.

Comical Ali has nothing on you with your pathetic defense of the indefensible.  I'm no fan of Tyrone but if one their players pulled a stunt like that he would be crucified by all and sundry. As a previous poster pointed out he should be named and shamed on Sunday game tomorrow night

Once again, I didn't say it WASN'T a dive.

I said it was not clear cut from what I saw. You and several others are the ones who are adamant. Fair fucks to you if you can tell from the pictures Sky showed. I'm not going to vilify a young lad based on that (and its f**k all to do with blinkers - Neil McGee got no excuses made for him in his two incidents this year by any Donegal lad here, and neither did the team's overall behaviour in that Kerry league game).

And yes, I'm sure the Sunday Game will "prove" it one way or the other. If he is guilty, so be it. Let him take his medicine.

Good old battle tonight.  McManus  was well marshalled but still landed a bagful inc a couple of clinkers at the end to bring Monaghan back level.

The Donegal keeper,  WTF? I hope that's the last we see of that embarrassing carryon from any player this championship.   Football is a man's game,  play it like a man and not a big jessy!

All championship games should have extra time

Dick putting that maor foirne p***k on his hole was one of the highlights of the evening.... Linesman telling him to get up and piss off made it even better..

Donegal back to their messy best with the keeper, doctor and mentor all getting in on the act. Its up to the gaa now to sort out the nonsense from the officials. We wait in hope. Am i the only one who saw the 3rd man tackle on the defender in the lead up to the goal. I suppose you cant expect the ref to catch everything but its disappointing to see as it left him clean through to score (and he did score)

Quote from: straightred on June 25, 2016, 11:38:27 PM
Donegal back to their messy best with the keeper, doctor and mentor all getting in on the act. Its up to the gaa now to sort out the nonsense from the officials. We wait in hope. Am i the only one who saw the 3rd man tackle on the defender in the lead up to the goal. I suppose you cant expect the ref to catch everything but its disappointing to see as it left him clean through to score (and he did score)

Yeah. It was noticed alright. Ref. clearly missed it but as you say can't see everything. If he did it was a black card.

The ref can't see everything but he added on appropriate amount of  extra time and by current conservative GAA  standards it was  quite an extraordinary amount of extra time which more than covered the time wasting by the goalie.

Quote from: Main Street on June 26, 2016, 12:02:01 AM
The ref can't see everything but he added on appropriate amount of  extra time and by current conservative GAA  standards it was  quite an extraordinary amount of extra time which more than covered the time wasting by the goalie.

The way it should be rather than the lazy 3 mins that we normally get. If the stoppages add up to 10 mins then it should be 10. The message should be that wasting time is of no benefit and then hopefully we'll see less of it.

In fairness to headquarters, StraightRed, that's already the directive for the year and seems to be being enforced well.

Quote from: J70 on June 25, 2016, 08:47:01 PM

Quote from: oakleafgael on June 25, 2016, 08:35:30 PM

Quote from: BennyHarp on June 25, 2016, 08:34:34 PM
No doubt there will be post after post about the level of cynicism in this game.

Disgusting from the keeper there.

How do you know?

The Monaghan player pushed the ball into his face. You never got a clip on the end of the nose?

J70 your one of the more level headed posters here but stop trying to defend the indefensible.

Quote from: straightred on June 25, 2016, 11:38:27 PM
Donegal back to their messy best with the keeper, doctor and mentor all getting in on the act. Its up to the gaa now to sort out the nonsense from the officials. We wait in hope. Am i the only one who saw the 3rd man tackle on the defender in the lead up to the goal. I suppose you cant expect the ref to catch everything but its disappointing to see as it left him clean through to score (and he did score)

Peter Canavan highlighted the third man tackle in his analysis.

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Quote from: J70 on June 25, 2016, 08:47:01 PM

Quote from: oakleafgael on June 25, 2016, 08:35:30 PM

Quote from: BennyHarp on June 25, 2016, 08:34:34 PM
No doubt there will be post after post about the level of cynicism in this game.

Disgusting from the keeper there.

How do you know?

The Monaghan player pushed the ball into his face. You never got a clip on the end of the nose?

Need to take of those donegal tinted glasses. Goalkeeper was a disgrace taking a dive like that and deserved a proper slap for acting the pri*ck.  Typical ulster championship game. Close game but constant off the ball fouling and cheap/cynical shots that ref can't see. Shows what a joke linesmen & especially umpires are. Didn't give the ref any help.

I didn't come down either way on the keeper. He could have been faking, but how do you (or the commentators) know either way? We're not talking something clearcut like Tiernan McCann here.

It looked to me like the Monaghan player slapped the ball and pushed it into his face. You get that on the end of the nose and you're seeing stars for a minute.

But, I'll take a look again to see what I'm apparently missing.

If you honestly think that wasn't a dive it's either specsavers or a white cane you need.

Comical Ali has nothing on you with your pathetic defense of the indefensible.  I'm no fan of Tyrone but if one their players pulled a stunt like that he would be crucified by all and sundry. As a previous poster pointed out he should be named and shamed on Sunday game tomorrow night

Once again, I didn't say it WASN'T a dive.

I said it was not clear cut from what I saw. You and several others are the ones who are adamant. Fair f**ks to you if you can tell from the pictures Sky showed. I'm not going to vilify a young lad based on that (and its f**k all to do with blinkers - Neil McGee got no excuses made for him in his two incidents this year by any Donegal lad here, and neither did the team's overall behaviour in that Kerry league game).

And yes, I'm sure the Sunday Game will "prove" it one way or the other. If he is guilty, so be it. Let him take his medicine.

How come all the neutrals can tell from the pictures Sky showed? He was definitely play acting from what I saw before I saw anyone else's view.

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Quote from: J70 on June 25, 2016, 08:47:01 PM

Quote from: oakleafgael on June 25, 2016, 08:35:30 PM

Quote from: BennyHarp on June 25, 2016, 08:34:34 PM
No doubt there will be post after post about the level of cynicism in this game.

Disgusting from the keeper there.

How do you know?

The Monaghan player pushed the ball into his face. You never got a clip on the end of the nose?

J70 your one of the more level headed posters here but stop trying to defend the indefensible.

Fair enough. (Not that I wasn't genuine with my reservations, but clearly I'm in a tiny minority)

What is going with the officials in the last few games?
First we had  a point added tot he wrong side causing a replay in the Christy Ring Final.
Then we had a 7th sub in Portlaoise causing another replay.
Last night Rory Kavanagh was substituted and replaced by Christy Toye. It was clearly announced over the tannoy; Christy was held back fro 30 secs or so before coming on by Maurice Deegan yet Kavanagh was on the Donegal goal line as a lineal was being kicked goal wards and he contested the dropping ball......

Add into that the conning of the referee by Donegal feigning head injuries when they went ahead close to the finish. Nothing done about it and they were allowed to disrupt Monaghan's momentum.
McQuillan and his umpires should have dealt with it. Then again the umpires failed to take action on the carry on with Vinny Corey and Michael Murphy......

Quote from: Jinxy on June 25, 2016, 10:56:41 PM
Just saw the keeper's dive.
Hope he's humiliated on the Sunday Game tomorrow night.

Disgusting behaviour. I'd give his dive 8.5 on the tiernan mccann scale (with mccanns being a 10). The lad should be totally ashamed and Donegal people should feel ashamed by association. The problem is people like rory gallagher are probably patting him on the back and defending him instead of giving him the bollocking he deserves.

Quote from: hardstation on June 26, 2016, 12:56:58 AM
It's a given in games now. Players from every club and county at it.

Only gonna get worse.

Only going to get worse as long as higher profile incidents (like Donegal Goalie) gets away Scot free. It's shameful and embarrassing.

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Quote from: Jinxy on June 25, 2016, 10:56:41 PM
Just saw the keeper's dive.
Hope he's humiliated on the Sunday Game tomorrow night.

Disgusting behaviour. I'd give his dive 8.5 on the tiernan mccann scale (with mccanns being a 10). The lad should be totally ashamed and Donegal people should feel ashamed by association. The problem is people like rory gallagher are probably patting him on the back and defending him instead of giving him the bollocking he deserves.

It's up there with McCann IMO. I hope he gets suspended. This type of playacting flies in the face of the games values so it should not be ignored.
I watched the game last night with two young impressionable teenagers. Even they commented how many times the Donegal doctor was on the pitch (every chance he could get) claiming his players had head injuries. This is an out and out cynical tactic by Rory Gallagher to slow the game down.

I have no faith that the GAA will punish Donegal for this as they'll just blame the referees report. I do hope TSG will highlight it however and expose Donegal for what they are.
Donegal are presently the most cynical team in Ireland IMO

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Quote from: lenny on June 26, 2016, 08:42:50 AM

Quote from: Jinxy on June 25, 2016, 10:56:41 PM
Just saw the keeper's dive.
Hope he's humiliated on the Sunday Game tomorrow night.

Disgusting behaviour. I'd give his dive 8.5 on the tiernan mccann scale (with mccanns being a 10). The lad should be totally ashamed and Donegal people should feel ashamed by association. The problem is people like rory gallagher are probably patting him on the back and defending him instead of giving him the bollocking he deserves.

It's up there with McCann IMO. I hope he gets suspended. This type of playacting flies in the face of the games values so it should not be ignored.
I watched the game last night with two young impressionable teenagers. Even they commented how many times the Donegal doctor was on the pitch (every chance he could get) claiming his players had head injuries. This is an out and out cynical tactic by Rory Gallagher to slow the game down.

I have no faith that the GAA will punish Donegal for this as they'll just blame the referees report. I do hope TSG will highlight it however and expose Donegal for what they are.
Donegal are presently the most cynical team in Ireland IMO

How are they going to ban him when they have no rules in place for doing so?

They made a show of themselves with McCann last year when they made it up as they were going along to cave into media pressure. All they had to do was come in after the Shields/McCann/Beggan/O'Donoghue incidents last year and probably a few more and say that from here on any incidents of simulation will go before a disciplinary body with a retrospective ban being issued.

Instead they decided to bow to media pressure and try and suspend a guy because of the county he played for, rather than the act he committed. It's time for the GAA to come out now and say incidents like McGinley's last night will now be open to retrospective bans going forward, it has to be in place before these incidents happen.

As for the game, thought it was a great spectacle played by two good sides. Karl O'Connell was superb for Monaghan and McManus showed his bottle with those two long range frees - he was very fortunate to escape a black card in the first half and had it been any other Monaghan player that committed that I'm sure they would have received a black. Murphy played well but had a nightmare on frees, very impressed with Eoghan McHugh, will add a lot to Donegal this year but they have big problems in midfield. Donegal carry a much bigger goal threat though and I think they will win the replay - I thought Murphy won his duel hands down with Corey today and that's a worrying thing for Monaghan as Corey keeping tabs on Murphy has been crucial to them having the upper hand on Monaghan in recent years.

I thought Donegal paid the price for trying to run the clock down cynically, 6 mins of injury time were added and I think McQuillan deserves credit for that as a lot of referees invariably play into the hands of the side leading these games and trying to waste time with their standard 3/4 minutes. The best way for referees to combat this is to add the time and add it on again in injury time when the leading team employs these tactics.

Quote from: ck on June 26, 2016, 09:01:44 AM

Quote from: lenny on June 26, 2016, 08:42:50 AM

Quote from: Jinxy on June 25, 2016, 10:56:41 PM
Just saw the keeper's dive.
Hope he's humiliated on the Sunday Game tomorrow night.

Disgusting behaviour. I'd give his dive 8.5 on the tiernan mccann scale (with mccanns being a 10). The lad should be totally ashamed and Donegal people should feel ashamed by association. The problem is people like rory gallagher are probably patting him on the back and defending him instead of giving him the bollocking he deserves.

It's up there with McCann IMO. I hope he gets suspended. This type of playacting flies in the face of the games values so it should not be ignored.
I watched the game last night with two young impressionable teenagers. Even they commented how many times the Donegal doctor was on the pitch (every chance he could get) claiming his players had head injuries. This is an out and out cynical tactic by Rory Gallagher to slow the game down.

I have no faith that the GAA will punish Donegal for this as they'll just blame the referees report. I do hope TSG will highlight it however and expose Donegal for what they are.
Donegal are presently the most cynical team in Ireland IMO

Gallagher  and co has definitely raised the bar when it comes to cynicism IMO also

Quote from: Give and Go on June 26, 2016, 07:08:38 AM

Add into that the conning of the referee by Donegal feigning head injuries when they went ahead close to the finish. Nothing done about it and they were allowed to disrupt Monaghan's momentum.
McQuillan and his umpires should have dealt with it. Then again the umpires failed to take action on the carry on with Vinny Corey and Michael Murphy......

What the goalkeeper did was indefensible, but Frank McGlynns case is completely different. The team doctor assessed him for concussion on the field & he was substituted a couple of minutes later.
As for Joe McQuillan not dealing with it that is not the case. He added six minutes of injury time which is the correct course of action.

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Quote from: lenny on June 26, 2016, 08:42:50 AM

Quote from: Jinxy on June 25, 2016, 10:56:41 PM
Just saw the keeper's dive.
Hope he's humiliated on the Sunday Game tomorrow night.

Disgusting behaviour. I'd give his dive 8.5 on the tiernan mccann scale (with mccanns being a 10). The lad should be totally ashamed and Donegal people should feel ashamed by association. The problem is people like rory gallagher are probably patting him on the back and defending him instead of giving him the bollocking he deserves.

It's up there with McCann IMO. I hope he gets suspended. This type of playacting flies in the face of the games values so it should not be ignored.
I watched the game last night with two young impressionable teenagers. Even they commented how many times the Donegal doctor was on the pitch (every chance he could get) claiming his players had head injuries. This is an out and out cynical tactic by Rory Gallagher to slow the game down.

I have no faith that the GAA will punish Donegal for this as they'll just blame the referees report. I do hope TSG will highlight it however and expose Donegal for what they are.
Donegal are presently the most cynical team in Ireland IMO

How are they going to ban him when they have no rules in place for doing so?

They made a show of themselves with McCann last year when they made it up as they were going along to cave into media pressure. All they had to do was come in after the Shields/McCann/Beggan/O'Donoghue incidents last year and probably a few more and say that from here on any incidents of simulation will go before a disciplinary body with a retrospective ban being issued.

Instead they decided to bow to media pressure and try and suspend a guy because of the county he played for, rather than the act he committed. It's time for the GAA to come out now and say incidents like McGinley's last night will now be open to retrospective bans going forward, it has to be in place before these incidents happen.

As for the game, thought it was a great spectacle played by two good sides. Karl O'Connell was superb for Monaghan and McManus showed his bottle with those two long range frees - he was very fortunate to escape a black card in the first half and had it been any other Monaghan player that committed that I'm sure they would have received a black. Murphy played well but had a nightmare on frees, very impressed with Eoghan McHugh, will add a lot to Donegal this year but they have big problems in midfield. Donegal carry a much bigger goal threat though and I think they will win the replay - I thought Murphy won his duel hands down with Corey today and that's a worrying thing for Monaghan as Corey keeping tabs on Murphy has been crucial to them having the upper hand on Monaghan in recent years.

I thought Donegal paid the price for trying to run the clock down cynically, 6 mins of injury time were added and I think McQuillan deserves credit for that as a lot of referees invariably play into the hands of the side leading these games and trying to waste time with their standard 3/4 minutes. The best way for referees to combat this is to add the time and add it on again in injury time when the leading team employs these tactics.

Good post bomber, Sums it up perfectly.

Quote from: ck on June 26, 2016, 09:01:44 AM

Quote from: lenny on June 26, 2016, 08:42:50 AM

Quote from: Jinxy on June 25, 2016, 10:56:41 PM
Just saw the keeper's dive.
Hope he's humiliated on the Sunday Game tomorrow night.

Disgusting behaviour. I'd give his dive 8.5 on the tiernan mccann scale (with mccanns being a 10). The lad should be totally ashamed and Donegal people should feel ashamed by association. The problem is people like rory gallagher are probably patting him on the back and defending him instead of giving him the bollocking he deserves.

It's up there with McCann IMO. I hope he gets suspended. This type of playacting flies in the face of the games values so it should not be ignored.
I watched the game last night with two young impressionable teenagers. Even they commented how many times the Donegal doctor was on the pitch (every chance he could get) claiming his players had head injuries. This is an out and out cynical tactic by Rory Gallagher to slow the game down.

I have no faith that the GAA will punish Donegal for this as they'll just blame the referees report. I do hope TSG will highlight it however and expose Donegal for what they are.
Donegal are presently the most cynical team in Ireland IMO

Haha, good man ck.

Impressionable teenagers indeed.

Quote from: hardstation on June 26, 2016, 12:56:58 AM
It's a given in games now. Players from every club and county at it.

Only gonna get worse.

Apart from hurlers. Thankfully most of the hurlers haven't caught this disease.

If the game is to be played next weekend then Saturday evening is the only realistic option. That will be some fcuk up by Ulster council if it did end up being played before Tyrone and Cavan.

If Donegal do make it through does that mean Neill McGee will be available for the final? That'll be a big boost for Donegal. Think I remember the same thing happening when we got to the AI final in '08. Was it Darragh O'Se that was sent off in quarter final but then was avaialbe for the final as the semi v Cork went to replay?

Quote from: omagh_gael on June 26, 2016, 11:12:00 AM
If the game is to be played next weekend then Saturday evening is the only realistic option. That will be some fcuk up by Ulster council if it did end up being played before Tyrone and Cavan.

If Donegal do make it through does that mean Neill McGee will be available for the final? That'll be a big boost for Donegal. Think I remember the same thing happening when we got to the AI final in '08. Was it Darragh O'Se that was sent off in quarter final but then was avaialbe for the final as the semi v Cork went to replay?

Yeah if Donegal win next week McGee ok for the final.

A gripping encounter, I thoroughly enjoyed it.

That Maxi Curran chap is some yoke -  Hopefully Sky get a MaorCam for the replay!

I can't say I took much notice of any quality in the game, it was much too tense for that type of thing but I was very pleased to see that our approach play towards and through the Donegal wall had gone through a complete overhaul.

Usually McManus struggles with frees from around the 45m mark but the cnt stroked one over for Clontibret v Ballybay in last year's championship at Inniskeen from about the 55m mark, so he has the ability

what does cnt mean

7pm in Cavan next Saturday

McManus last free just made it inside the post, but they all count. Class act and probably the best player in Ireland

So 2 drawn semi's in Ulster and a big gap between the 4 and the rest with an honourable mention for Fermanagh

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Quote from: ck on June 26, 2016, 09:01:44 AM

Quote from: lenny on June 26, 2016, 08:42:50 AM

Quote from: Jinxy on June 25, 2016, 10:56:41 PM
Just saw the keeper's dive.
Hope he's humiliated on the Sunday Game tomorrow night.

Disgusting behaviour. I'd give his dive 8.5 on the tiernan mccann scale (with mccanns being a 10). The lad should be totally ashamed and Donegal people should feel ashamed by association. The problem is people like rory gallagher are probably patting him on the back and defending him instead of giving him the bollocking he deserves.

It's up there with McCann IMO. I hope he gets suspended. This type of playacting flies in the face of the games values so it should not be ignored.
I watched the game last night with two young impressionable teenagers. Even they commented how many times the Donegal doctor was on the pitch (every chance he could get) claiming his players had head injuries. This is an out and out cynical tactic by Rory Gallagher to slow the game down.

I have no faith that the GAA will punish Donegal for this as they'll just blame the referees report. I do hope TSG will highlight it however and expose Donegal for what they are.
Donegal are presently the most cynical team in Ireland IMO

Haha, good man ck.

Impressionable teenagers indeed.

You can sneer all you want but young players do what they see county players doing on live TV.  Your goalie was an embarresment last night and the overall cynicism within your team and back room team is shameful.

I see donegal are taking the McGee ban to the central appeals committee. Unbelievable

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Quote from: ck on June 26, 2016, 09:01:44 AM

Quote from: lenny on June 26, 2016, 08:42:50 AM

Quote from: Jinxy on June 25, 2016, 10:56:41 PM
Just saw the keeper's dive.
Hope he's humiliated on the Sunday Game tomorrow night.

Disgusting behaviour. I'd give his dive 8.5 on the tiernan mccann scale (with mccanns being a 10). The lad should be totally ashamed and Donegal people should feel ashamed by association. The problem is people like rory gallagher are probably patting him on the back and defending him instead of giving him the bollocking he deserves.

It's up there with McCann IMO. I hope he gets suspended. This type of playacting flies in the face of the games values so it should not be ignored.
I watched the game last night with two young impressionable teenagers. Even they commented how many times the Donegal doctor was on the pitch (every chance he could get) claiming his players had head injuries. This is an out and out cynical tactic by Rory Gallagher to slow the game down.

I have no faith that the GAA will punish Donegal for this as they'll just blame the referees report. I do hope TSG will highlight it however and expose Donegal for what they are.
Donegal are presently the most cynical team in Ireland IMO

Haha, good man ck.

Impressionable teenagers indeed.

You can sneer all you want but young players do what they see county players doing on live TV.  Your goalie was an embarresment last night and the overall cynicism within your team and back room team is shameful.

If your teenagers copy what players do on tv then maybe you should look to your parenting skills or maybe send them to their rooms when those dreadful Donegal footballers are on.

Enjoyable game played at terrific pace. Seems Ulster have 4 decent teams. After watching today's matches Leinster have only one.

On a sour note Donegal's antics do them no favours.

Quote from: Throw ball on June 26, 2016, 10:29:39 PM
Enjoyable game played at terrific pace. Seems Ulster have 4 decent teams. After watching today's matches Leinster have only one.

On a sour note Donegal's antics do them no favours.

Agreed. Whilst the pundits called this on on TSG I think they didn't go far enough. Some of the antic are a disgrace and not worthy of a county jersey and the offending players should be called out and embarrassed.

On the positive thought we were that bit sharper for most of the game. Attitude was spot on, we weren't going to take a beaten. We've added pace to midfield, winning more primary possession and there's a better spread of scorers.

On the negative side the pace and angle of the some of the Donegal runners definitely caused problems. Not always legal but very effective and not many would be able to handle it.

We're both asking each other questions neither of us were asking last year.

Generally a good game played in the right spirit. The time wasting was identified by Darren Hughes who made it known and the ref duly added the time. Won't always happen but let's leave it at that.

Fintan Kelly, Owen Duffy and Kieran Duffy put in particularly good shifts for Monaghan.

Replay not on TV

Donegal have made some transformation from their days of being a naive attractive team to watch to what they are today.
They seem to be leading the way tactically with how they play the game now from the angles they create to how they make space.
Goal chances are hard to come by against the well organised teams these days but Donegal often seem to use a man to block off a run so someone can get through into a scoring position. I wonder is McGuinness still involved at some level with Gallagher.

Was interesting TSG panel acknowledged the cynical stuff last night but played it down as it provided such a tight exciting game.

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Quote from: BennyHarp on June 25, 2016, 08:34:34 PM
No doubt there will be post after post about the level of cynicism in this game.

Disgusting from the keeper there.

How do you know?

The Monaghan player pushed the ball into his face. You never got a clip on the end of the nose?

J70 your one of the more level headed posters here but stop trying to defend the indefensible.

Fair enough. (Not that I wasn't genuine with my reservations, but clearly I'm in a tiny minority)

Strange having a referee involved from team in other semi final plus the fact that one of Joe's umpires is a Monagahan man.

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Quote from: BennyHarp on June 25, 2016, 08:34:34 PM
No doubt there will be post after post about the level of cynicism in this game.

Disgusting from the keeper there.

How do you know?

The Monaghan player pushed the ball into his face. You never got a clip on the end of the nose?

J70 your one of the more level headed posters here but stop trying to defend the indefensible.

Fair enough. (Not that I wasn't genuine with my reservations, but clearly I'm in a tiny minority)

Strange having a referee involved from team in other semi final plus the fact that one of Joe's umpires is a Monagahan man.

Joe wasn't down to referee it. Branagan from Down was supposed to.

yeah fuzzman donegal have some nice new strategies with the angled runs etc. The one I like the most though is the third man tackle by donegal defenders to opposition defenders to try take get their forwards free may be the best one yet. It could get messy though if and it will catch on. Dublin are using screening but donegals looks more like physical interference.

Christ, you'd swear no team had ever got away with a foul in the build-up to a score before!

In other news, Longford at home for the losers.

It never dawned on me to check up on who the loser will get.
;D

yeah I agree there has been plenty of fouls but its orchestrated fouling in the scoring areas which Donegal seem to have developed as canavan has pointed out. If you watch game again it happened on several occasions. Shrewd move but it will take the game down a rotten path IMO.

But what is the difference WHERE on the field it happens? It didn't just start with Donegal on Saturday. If the ref sees it, it's a black card. Like with any foul though, teams will get away with it on occasion and I guess see it as a risk worth taking behind the ref's back. And unless they start penalizing teams (not players) AFTER the game and maybe changing results, there's not much that will change it.

Let's say the Monaghan lad had grabbed MacNiallais by the jersey, as happens umpteen times in all games, and he didn't get to make his run for that goal, would we be hearing about it?

Quote from: Main Street on June 27, 2016, 03:59:08 PM
It never dawned on me to check up on who the loser will get.
;D

Took a while for me to realize as well that we were in the draw!

Quote from: the goal was on on June 27, 2016, 04:32:35 PM
yeah I agree there has been plenty of fouls but its orchestrated fouling in the scoring areas which Donegal seem to have developed as canavan has pointed out. If you watch game again it happened on several occasions. Shrewd move but it will take the game down a rotten path IMO.

What's more depressing is gallachers tactic of sending in the doctor to check for concussion as much as possible.

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Quote from: the goal was on on June 27, 2016, 04:32:35 PM
yeah I agree there has been plenty of fouls but its orchestrated fouling in the scoring areas which Donegal seem to have developed as canavan has pointed out. If you watch game again it happened on several occasions. Shrewd move but it will take the game down a rotten path IMO.

What's more depressing is gallachers tactic of sending in the doctor to check for concussion as much as possible.

How often did it happen? I only saw Frank McGlynn being checked & he was subbed straight away but maybe there were others. Besides which the ref added time on so there was no time lost.

Quote from: the goal was on on June 27, 2016, 04:32:35 PM
yeah I agree there has been plenty of fouls but its orchestrated fouling in the scoring areas which Donegal seem to have developed as canavan has pointed out. If you watch game again it happened on several occasions. Shrewd move but it will take the game down a rotten path IMO.

I wonder will Canavan pooint out sneaky gamesmanship from Tyrone as readily as he points it out in other teams. Having said that he gives a level of detailed analysis which is well above rte pundits. I've said for a long time Tyrone have been severely disadvantaged by the rte ban imposed by harte. It's meant Tyrone have been castigated rightly so on many occasions but other teams have got away lightly.Having a Tyrone voice on tv will help them as they move forward but very few people get to see sky in reality.

At 10-7 up and winning the majority of possession from kickouts (both in MF and from short restarts) I was convinced that we would push on and win the game. But then, came the sending off and the goal which gave Donegal the spur they needed.. It was an interesting game from there till the end, I say game, more like a heavyweight boxing contest trying to land blows and not wanting to lose..

It's definitely worrying that Donegal got in round the back of the Monaghan defense, almost at ease. They were excellent and working the ball through the hands at speed, drawing men in and creating space and holes. Their running lines were excellent, particularly from both E & R McHugh. These lads will have to be kept quieter on Sat, as was the case with McManus and the Hughes bros on Sat.. 

As is always the case, the team that learns more from the drawn game.. I feel that Donegal were pumped to the hilth for that game, can they get up to that intensity again? Monaghan need to be a bit more creative in attack, we had plenty of possession but couldn't create the scoring chances when we got to their D. We need big performances from both Hughes brothers and need to get McManus on the ball more in open play. I felt that McCarthy and Carey did OK but faded out of the game in the second half, given the intensity. Perhaps earlier substitutions of both. I'd like to see McKenna get a longer run and possibly bring Finlay on for his intelligence; apparently he's flying. Jack McCarron needs a fair crack too as he has plenty to offer.

It'll be tight again, but I'm still gonna back our lads to come out on top by 2 or 3..

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/harte-to-shore-up-his-defence-after-worrying-concessions-against-cavan-34838944.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/harte-to-shore-up-his-defence-after-worrying-concessions-against-cavan-34838944.html)

And as Harte continues to wrestle with the composition of his side, his Donegal counterpart Gallagher is mulling over the probability that he will be without two of his first-choice players for disciplinary reasons when his side go head to head with Monaghan again in Cavan on Saturday night.
Neil McGee was served with a two-match ban following the red card he incurred against Fermanagh in the Ulster quarter-final when he struck out at Ruairi Corrigan, and Martin McElhinney was sent off against Monaghan last weekend following a tussle with full-back Drew Wylie.

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What's the story here? As I said previously, it's ridiculous that they're even appealing McGee's red card but McElhinney, does he miss the next game due to a yellow followed by black, which resulted in a red?

no he does not miss next game

Under what grounds are Donegal appealing the McGee suspension?

Quote from: Fuzzman on June 28, 2016, 02:31:38 PM
Under what grounds are Donegal appealing the McGee suspension?

No idea, and can't imagine any either.

Has not stopped other counties in the past though, sometimes successfully. The Donegal CB obviously feel they've nothing to lose by trying.

Experience tells us that if you're going to go via the back door this is the time to do it...not that either Donegal or Monaghan will want to go that route.

Losing an Ulster final is far more risky given the unfair turnaround. But who'd trade a tie with Longford (no disrespect to them) for an Ulster Final in Clones?

Quote from: babarino on June 28, 2016, 03:56:33 PM
Experience tells us that if you're going to go via the back door this is the time to do it...not that either Donegal or Monaghan will want to go that route.

Losing an Ulster final is far more risky given the unfair turnaround. But who'd trade a tie with Longford (no disrespect to them) for an Ulster Final in Clones?

Good point, whoever loses the Ulster final this year will more than likely get no further than the quarter final. They have to win a 4B qualifier on the weekend of the 1st of August and if they win that they can only get Dublin(assuming they beat Westmeath) in the quarter final just 1 week later (4B winners play either Leinster or Ulster champions and provincial final pairings can't be repeated).

To be honest there should be a 2 week break between Round 4 qualifiers and the quarter final to give the qualifiers a better chance to recover. The main problem is probably Ulster taking so long to complete as there's only one game each weekend (except replays). It could be fixed by playing the quarter finals over 2 weekends instead of four and then the Ulster final can be played 2 weeks earlier, giving plenty of time for qualifiers, etc.

Dublin - Talk about a poisoned chalice!

Doesn't that also mean that Donegal and Monaghan could play each other in an AI quarter final, if next week's winner wins Ulster?

Saturday, July 30, 2016 - Monday, August 01, 2016:
Quarter-Final (A): Connacht Winner v Round 4A Winner
Quarter-Final (A): Munster Winner v Round 4A Winner

Saturday, August 06, 2016:
Quarter-Final (B): Leinster Winner v Round 4B Winner (Sky Sports)
Quarter-Final (B): Ulster Winner v Round 4B Winner (Sky Sports)

So yes, they could in theory be drawn again. I thought there was a 'previous pairings' condition, though that might disappear after the qualifying rounds?

I think the previous pairing rule only became applicable when two provincial finalists were redrawn in QF. The a and b set up now prevents this from occurring.

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Quote from: babarino on June 28, 2016, 03:56:33 PM
Experience tells us that if you're going to go via the back door this is the time to do it...not that either Donegal or Monaghan will want to go that route.

Losing an Ulster final is far more risky given the unfair turnaround. But who'd trade a tie with Longford (no disrespect to them) for an Ulster Final in Clones?

Good point, whoever loses the Ulster final this year will more than likely get no further than the quarter final. They have to win a 4B qualifier on the weekend of the 1st of August and if they win that they can only get Dublin(assuming they beat Westmeath) in the quarter final just 1 week later (4B winners play either Leinster or Ulster champions and provincial final pairings can't be repeated).

To be honest there should be a 2 week break between Round 4 qualifiers and the quarter final to give the qualifiers a better chance to recover. The main problem is probably Ulster taking so long to complete as there's only one game each weekend (except replays). It could be fixed by playing the quarter finals over 2 weekends instead of four and then the Ulster final can be played 2 weeks earlier, giving plenty of time for qualifiers, etc.

disagree with this. if you have a 2 week break between R4 qualifiers and Q-finals (and also to avoid 6 day turnaround for beaten provincial losers) it leaves a 4 week gap with no game for the provincial winners (possibly 5 week gap). This is too long without a game when your q-final opponent would be coming in with matches played. If provincial winners are actually being disadvantaged by winning the provincial title it will definitely be the end of the provincial championships [it's a different argument altogether whether or not to get rid of them, but while they are in place the winners should gain an advantage]

Yeah another good point I suppose, I agree the provincial champions deserve a slight advantage but a balance has to be struck though. I think the short turnaround exacerbates the difference in quality of teams at that stage of the championship, and has lead to less interesting all-Ireland quarter finals the last few years.

For example last year Kildare conceded 7-16 in the quarter final a week after beating Cork, and Donegal were beaten by 8 points by Mayo a week after beating Galway well. It was similar 2 years ago when Dublin beat Monaghan by 17 points a week after Monaghan beat Kildare after extra time (since then Monaghan have run Dublin to a point twice), and Kerry beat Galway by 7 points a week after they beat Tipperary. Would these games have been such blowouts if they had more time to recover and prepare?

But whatever about championship structure, the game on Saturday will hopefully be another cracker.

Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on June 29, 2016, 09:14:01 AM
Saturday, July 30, 2016 - Monday, August 01, 2016:
Quarter-Final (A): Connacht Winner v Round 4A Winner
Quarter-Final (A): Munster Winner v Round 4A Winner

Saturday, August 06, 2016:
Quarter-Final (B): Leinster Winner v Round 4B Winner (Sky Sports)
Quarter-Final (B): Ulster Winner v Round 4B Winner (Sky Sports)

So yes, they could in theory be drawn again. I thought there was a 'previous pairings' condition, though that might disappear after the qualifying rounds?

The 'previous pairings' condition starts after round 2 of the qualifiers. It applies to round 3, round 4 and the quarter finals. 

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/donegal-to-escape-cccc-punishment-407331.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/donegal-to-escape-cccc-punishment-407331.html)

Maurice Deegan for the replay..

Quote from: Dubhaltach on June 29, 2016, 06:42:45 PM

Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on June 29, 2016, 09:14:01 AM
Saturday, July 30, 2016 - Monday, August 01, 2016:
Quarter-Final (A): Connacht Winner v Round 4A Winner
Quarter-Final (A): Munster Winner v Round 4A Winner

Saturday, August 06, 2016:
Quarter-Final (B): Leinster Winner v Round 4B Winner (Sky Sports)
Quarter-Final (B): Ulster Winner v Round 4B Winner (Sky Sports)

So yes, they could in theory be drawn again. I thought there was a 'previous pairings' condition, though that might disappear after the qualifying rounds?

The 'previous pairings' condition starts after round 2 of the qualifiers. It applies to round 3, round 4 and the quarter finals.

I think it's slightly different for the quarter finals. I think the rule is something like provincial final pairings cannot be repeated in the q-final and other 'previous pairings' are avoided insofar as possible.

This is defiantly not on tv correct.

Will any supporters be bold enough to do a live cam or stream whatever will make those who cannot attend watch game. Hard to fathom what conflict is between the two sets of supporters. My guess is that only die hard hurling fans will be tuning into to hurling on Saturday.

Quote from: joemamas on June 30, 2016, 01:59:42 PM
This is defiantly not on tv correct.

Will any supporters be bold enough to do a live cam or stream whatever will make those who cannot attend watch game. Hard to fathom what conflict is between the two sets of supporters. My guess is that only die hard hurling fans will be tuning into to hurling on Saturday.

Didn't someone Periscope the Roscommon v New York game? Some of the Mayo & Leitrim players were watching it. Hard to see how the GAA could crack down on it, or stop it. Good luck wending your way through a packed terrace or stand, during a game, looking for the one lad with the iPhone propped on his knee.

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Quote from: joemamas on June 30, 2016, 01:59:42 PM
This is defiantly not on tv correct.

Will any supporters be bold enough to do a live cam or stream whatever will make those who cannot attend watch game. Hard to fathom what conflict is between the two sets of supporters. My guess is that only die hard hurling fans will be tuning into to hurling on Saturday.

Didn't someone Periscope the Roscommon v New York game? Some of the Mayo & Leitrim players were watching it. Hard to see how the GAA could crack down on it, or stop it. Good luck wending your way through a packed terrace or stand, during a game, looking for the one lad with the iPhone propped on his knee.

would love to somehow watch it live or delayed, V the three minutes you will be luck to get on the Sunday Game the next evening.

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Quote from: Beffs on June 30, 2016, 04:16:37 PM

Quote from: joemamas on June 30, 2016, 01:59:42 PM
This is defiantly not on tv correct.

Will any supporters be bold enough to do a live cam or stream whatever will make those who cannot attend watch game. Hard to fathom what conflict is between the two sets of supporters. My guess is that only die hard hurling fans will be tuning into to hurling on Saturday.

Didn't someone Periscope the Roscommon v New York game? Some of the Mayo & Leitrim players were watching it. Hard to see how the GAA could crack down on it, or stop it. Good luck wending your way through a packed terrace or stand, during a game, looking for the one lad with the iPhone propped on his knee.

would love to somehow watch it live or delayed, V the three minutes you will be luck to get on the Sunday Game the next evening.

The Ulster U21 final was periscoped too.. It was well done, steady, given the low light conditions. I'm assuming it was a mini tripod job and not just on the knee..

Do Sky do a catchup service? I only have SkyGo,thanks to the father-in-law..

Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on June 30, 2016, 08:16:31 PM

Quote from: joemamas on June 30, 2016, 05:03:03 PM

Quote from: Beffs on June 30, 2016, 04:16:37 PM

Quote from: joemamas on June 30, 2016, 01:59:42 PM
This is defiantly not on tv correct.

Will any supporters be bold enough to do a live cam or stream whatever will make those who cannot attend watch game. Hard to fathom what conflict is between the two sets of supporters. My guess is that only die hard hurling fans will be tuning into to hurling on Saturday.

Didn't someone Periscope the Roscommon v New York game? Some of the Mayo & Leitrim players were watching it. Hard to see how the GAA could crack down on it, or stop it. Good luck wending your way through a packed terrace or stand, during a game, looking for the one lad with the iPhone propped on his knee.

would love to somehow watch it live or delayed, V the three minutes you will be luck to get on the Sunday Game the next evening.

The Ulster U21 final was periscoped too.. It was well done, steady, given the low light conditions. I'm assuming it was a mini tripod job and not just on the knee..

Do Sky do a catchup service? I only have SkyGo,thanks to the father-in-law..

Just to be sure how this might work...4 of us go to the game and broadcast via Periscope. If we are using the same Twitter account, would this allow followers choose from different positions in Breiffne?

Quote from: babarino on June 30, 2016, 09:19:21 PM

Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on June 30, 2016, 08:16:31 PM

Quote from: joemamas on June 30, 2016, 05:03:03 PM

Quote from: Beffs on June 30, 2016, 04:16:37 PM

Quote from: joemamas on June 30, 2016, 01:59:42 PM
This is defiantly not on tv correct.

Will any supporters be bold enough to do a live cam or stream whatever will make those who cannot attend watch game. Hard to fathom what conflict is between the two sets of supporters. My guess is that only die hard hurling fans will be tuning into to hurling on Saturday.

Didn't someone Periscope the Roscommon v New York game? Some of the Mayo & Leitrim players were watching it. Hard to see how the GAA could crack down on it, or stop it. Good luck wending your way through a packed terrace or stand, during a game, looking for the one lad with the iPhone propped on his knee.

would love to somehow watch it live or delayed, V the three minutes you will be luck to get on the Sunday Game the next evening.

The Ulster U21 final was periscoped too.. It was well done, steady, given the low light conditions. I'm assuming it was a mini tripod job and not just on the knee..

Do Sky do a catchup service? I only have SkyGo,thanks to the father-in-law..

Just to be sure how this might work...4 of us go to the game and broadcast via Periscope. If we are using the same Twitter account, would this allow followers choose from different positions in Breiffne?

I'd say Sky are shittin themselves..
Would you like to finance my roaming bill for the project? ;)

Quote from: babarino on June 30, 2016, 09:19:21 PM
Just to be sure how this might work...4 of us go to the game and broadcast via Periscope. If we are using the same Twitter account, would this allow followers choose from different positions in Breiffne?

Four different cameras, with four different angles in Breffini? By Jayzus ! Will ye have a red button and instant replays as well?  :P

I'd stick with just the one if I were you. Park yourself (and yer iPhone/iPad) in one of the corners of the ground and bobs yer uncle....

I want the 4 cameras, 3 on the game and 1 following all the shenanigans of the Donegal water boys.

Fck Sky for not covering this game despite having the rights and this a high profile game, one of the great rivalries of recent years.

Quote from: Main Street on July 01, 2016, 11:24:53 AM
I want the 4 cameras, 3 on the game of all the shenanigans of the Donegal water boys and 1 following the Donegal water boys game.

Fck Sky for not covering this game despite having the rights and this a high profile game, one of the great rivalries of recent years.

I fixed your comment above re the cameras Main, based on need.

To me, the GAA overlords need to take responsibility as they were the ones who signed up to the Sky/GAA agreement in the first place.. I haven't heard much good said about the Sky/GAA project to be honest..

The fact that it's not televised will no doubt drive up ticket revenue, so the GAA are quids in anyhow. The cynical bloke in me says that might be intentional..  :o

Unchanged starting line-up for Donegal

Beggan, Walshe, D Wylie, R Wylie, K Duffy, Corey, Kelly, K Hughes, O'Connell, O Duffy, McAnespie, Carey, McCarthy, D Hughes, C McManus

Same team named as the one that started last time, but as usual expect a couple of changes.

One change for Monaghan - Daniel McKenna in for Conor McCarthy.

Donegal Weather Channel on Facebook

All Donegal at the moment, 5 down and no score from Monaghan yet.

Slow start for Monaghan no score after fifteen minutes

Its been all Donegal, but they switched off and Carey goaled.

0-7 to 1-1 with about ten left in the half.

I've missed listening to Highland Radio.
McManus booked and frustrated they said.
Monaghan 1.01 Donegal 0.07

0-8 to 1-2

Relying on Northern Sound, but it sounds like we've been absolutely shocking. We've been slow starters all year but this takes it to a new level, nothing happening up front.  We're blessed to still be even close thanks to that goal, but we need a big lift in performance obviously.

All sports on facebook is showing this

Another Monaghan goal - McManus from a penalty.

McGlynn replies.

0-9 to 2-2

Donegal will be very disappointed with this scoreline.

Follow live stream here;

https://www.facebook.com/allsports.ie/videos/10154357818576584/

Donegal 0-10 Monaghan 2-2 HT

Monaghan have to be delighted with that scoreline. They can't be as bad again.

Blessed to still be in this. Need a massive second half.

THANK YOU

A couple of attacking subs needed I think, it sounds like McManus is getting absolutely no support up front apart from the short burst Carey had. McKenna was a late addition but I don't think I've heard his name once, and Duffy isn't as influential as last week. Sounds like the half back line is being completely overrun too so they aren't getting forward as much.

Hard to believe Donegal conceded 2 goals in one half.
Thanks for video Mayo Mick.

Quote from: Fuzzman on July 02, 2016, 07:55:33 PM
Hard to believe Donegal conceded 2 goals in one half.
Thanks for video Mayo Mick.

Link doesn't seem to work for some people on mobile. Working fine on laptop.

McAdam and Malone on for Drew Wylie and McKenna.

Score lads?

McManus with point from throw in. 1 point in it.

Quote from: Beffs on July 02, 2016, 07:59:22 PM
Score lads?

McBrearty free.

Donegal 0-11 to 2-3 ahead.

Quote from: Beffs on July 02, 2016, 07:59:22 PM
Score lads?

Donegal 0-10(10)
Monaghan 2-03(9)

Mark McHugh point. Then Owen Duffy.

0-12 to 2-4

All action here!

The all sports link not live anymore

Donegal missing some chances and frees. Could be costly.

@paj023 showing it live on Periscope

Donegal seem to be far the better team but can't shake off Monaghan.

Quote from: omagh_gael on July 02, 2016, 08:08:39 PM
@paj023 showing it live on Periscope

Camera quality very poor but the abuse between fans is quite entertaining!

Loved the commentary for the peno.
"How the F%#k was it a black card"

Quote from: omagh_gael on July 02, 2016, 08:11:00 PM

Quote from: omagh_gael on July 02, 2016, 08:08:39 PM
@paj023 showing it live on Periscope

Camera quality very poor but the abuse between fans is quite entertaining!

His viewers have just increased by 250  ;D

The all sports link is going to show last 15 mins. He said on his comments section that his battery is low.

It's all gone a bit stagnant. We need another score quick.

Boyle makes your wish come true, Schkite.

It would take a good Clontibret man to do it too!

Conor McCarthy and Jack McCarron both on now.

3 in it
Would there be extra time or another replay?

Can't see Monaghan doing it, every time they pull closer Donegal tag another on.

Just as I say it McCarthy hits the crossbar!!!

Feck it anyway, doesn't look like our night.

Rory Kav sent off.
When did Donegal last finish with 15?
1 point in it. 2 mins left

Another goal needed I'd say.

5 mins injury time seems a lot! Donegal two up.

2 in it now.

5 min injury time
Free to Donegal 45 yards out.

When did Monaghan last concede 17 scores in the Ulster championship? Six Ulster finals in a row for Donegal.

Ballix anyway. Not good for the heart listening to that on the radio.

Ah well, best team won you'd have to say.

bit of a blooper the keeper not taking the 55m free at the end,

Congrats Donegal. They haven't gone away you know.
That match will do Donegal the world of good.
Sounds like they were the better side.
Will Neil McGee be back for the final v Cavan?

Quote from: omagh_gael on July 02, 2016, 08:33:58 PM
5 mins injury time seems a lot! Donegal two up.

Fancy Donegal to win Ulster now. They look impressive this year and they are tyrones bogey team.

Quote from: omagh_gael on July 02, 2016, 08:33:58 PM
5 mins injury time seems a lot! Donegal two up.

Probably too little given the arsing around in the modern game.

Beggan's radar was off tonight I think so maybe understandable they didn't put it his hands.

Quote from: Zulu on July 02, 2016, 08:42:46 PM

Quote from: omagh_gael on July 02, 2016, 08:33:58 PM
5 mins injury time seems a lot! Donegal two up.

Probably too little given the arsing around in the modern game.

Beggan's radar was off tonight I think so maybe understandable they didn't put it his hands.

As the lads on the radio said, the fact we created a chance means it was the right decision to play it short, but it sounds like they could have worked it a little more but the shot was slightly rushed at the end. I'd be interested to hear from anyone at the game what it looked like.

Sickening to come back so close and just get pipped like that. McCarron seemed to have a good impact off the bench and could have been brought in earlier, and I'm not sure why McKenna started instead of McCarthy after he had a good game last week.

Neill McGee now free for the Ulster final. Big boost for them.

Quote from: Schkite on July 02, 2016, 08:47:56 PM

Quote from: Zulu on July 02, 2016, 08:42:46 PM

Quote from: omagh_gael on July 02, 2016, 08:33:58 PM
5 mins injury time seems a lot! Donegal two up.

Probably too little given the arsing around in the modern game.

Beggan's radar was off tonight I think so maybe understandable they didn't put it his hands.

As the lads on the radio said, the fact we created a chance means it was the right decision to play it short, but it sounds like they could have worked it a little more but the shot was slightly rushed at the end. I'd be interested to hear from anyone at the game what it looked like.

Sickening to come back so close and just get pipped like that. McCarron seemed to have a good impact off the bench and could have been brought in earlier, and I'm not sure why McKenna started instead of McCarthy after he had a good game last week.

Technically speaking, to get pipped implies being ahead and getting "pipped" on the line.
I was hoping Beggan was given the kick, he was up for it. He either converts the long range or not, it has little do with him having found his range or confidence.
But converting that last chance would just have brought us to extra time. Sounded like a game that you'd just love to have been there as long as you were on the winning side. Though Nudie was saying Monaghan fans stayed the extra few minutes behind to applaud the team off the field.

Quote from: Main Street on July 02, 2016, 10:23:54 PM

Quote from: Schkite on July 02, 2016, 08:47:56 PM

Quote from: Zulu on July 02, 2016, 08:42:46 PM

Quote from: omagh_gael on July 02, 2016, 08:33:58 PM
5 mins injury time seems a lot! Donegal two up.

Probably too little given the arsing around in the modern game.

Beggan's radar was off tonight I think so maybe understandable they didn't put it his hands.

As the lads on the radio said, the fact we created a chance means it was the right decision to play it short, but it sounds like they could have worked it a little more but the shot was slightly rushed at the end. I'd be interested to hear from anyone at the game what it looked like.

Sickening to come back so close and just get pipped like that. McCarron seemed to have a good impact off the bench and could have been brought in earlier, and I'm not sure why McKenna started instead of McCarthy after he had a good game last week.

Technically speaking, to get pipped implies being ahead and getting "pipped" on the line.
I was hoping Beggan was given the kick, he was up for it. He either converts the long range or not, it has little do with him having found his range or confidence.
But converting that last chance would just have brought us to extra time. Sounded like a game that you'd just love to have been there as long as you were on the winning side. Though Nudie was saying Monaghan fans stayed the extra few minutes behind to applaud the team off the field.

Aye pipped not the right word to use there.

Just back from the game. Thought we were lucky to finish only 1 down. Overall it was a poor Monaghan performance tonight. Donegal won midfield and their passing and possession game was much more controlled.

Now it's the backdoor against Longford. Hopefully we get to HQ and play better.

Always sweet to win against very evenly matched rivals who nonetheless have been a bogey team, both traditionally and recently.  :) As of yet, I'm reliant on what radio broadcast, in this case Highland, and written reports, but the consensus seems to be that we made very hard work of a game we dominated for large spells, especially in the first half. Malachy Clerkin reckoned the ref did us no favours, especially in the first half, but all academic now anyway.

This win is a big deal for this Donegal team, and while I doubt if anyone is thinking about September glory or even appearances, we at least will go into the Ulster Final full of confidence. Defensively, on the plus side, it sounds like we gave away a lot fewer scorable frees this week (presumably a reflection of our dominance of possession). On the other hand, Monaghan got two, and could easily have had three goals. Bad mistake from Lacey, according to the Highland commentary, for the one that hit the bar, while he made one or two other bad passes late on. Hopefully he'd a good game otherwise though.

For those who were there, I missed the couple of minutes where Monaghan got their first goal - it sounded, in retrospect, similar to one Tommy Freeman got against Down in 2012, with the free taken quickly while the defenders complained. Is that so? If so, bad for Donegal to get caught with their trousers down like that, and maybe a lesson to ease off on the bitching to the referee.

Sixth Ulster final in a row. Some achievement for this team, and the first time anyone has done it since the 60s.

Donegal played well and deserved to win and probably by a lot more. Monaghan were awful in the first half and 2 oppertune goals kept the game alive. In fairness our changes worked. Jack McCarran scored a few nice points and dermot malone worked his socks off. Conor boyle also played well when introduced.  And mccarthy was very unlucky with his superb lob that hit the crossbar.  In the end we could have won it or at least drawn the match. On the last free i think we did well. Beggan had missed a few and it was too far for mcmanus. Fair play to Kieran duffy for having a go. He wasn't far away at all and has landed a few this year. He was dead right to have a go from there. If he is in the same spot next week i say have another pop

Quote from: J70 on July 03, 2016, 01:42:49 AM
For those who were there, I missed the couple of minutes where Monaghan got their first goal - it sounded, in retrospect, similar to one Tommy Freeman got against Down in 2012, with the free taken quickly while the defenders complained. Is that so? If so, bad for Donegal to get caught with their trousers down like that, and maybe a lesson to ease off on the bitching to the referee.

I was at the back of the goals so had a very good view J70. It was as you say. Donegal players arguing with ref and linesman, Monaghan took advantage and registered an easy goal when the scoreboard wasn't looking good for us.

Take Monaghan out of Clones and they seem to fall apart.

I wouldn't be Ciaran Whelan's biggest fan but he was spot on last night re Monaghan's defense. They were totally focused on tracking their man instead of trusting their instinct in situations where leaving your man to stop the opposition ball carrier would have fared better.. Trusting that if you go with the man making the run/on the ball that one of your fellow defenders/sweeper(s) will track your man. Donegal's ability to transition the ball quickly via clever lines of running exploited this on several occasions.

Playing rigidly to the system instead of your instinct or strength I suppose..

Do you Monaghan lads think Donegal stepped it up a level or did ye fall back a step?
It's hard to decide from the brief highlights I saw but ye didn't seem to have the same intensity as other times.

Donegal seem to be very good in the last few years at making clever runs at different angles and causing distractions so that a player can get into a bit of space so he can get his shot away.
O'Reilly seems to be playing well and providing a constant scoring threat to help McBrearty.
MacNiallais seems to have given them another dimension too and will need a lot of watching in the final as he often scores goals.

Quote from: Fuzzman on July 04, 2016, 02:51:31 PM
Do you Monaghan lads think Donegal stepped it up a level or did ye fall back a step?...

I think Donegal have gone up a level in many aspects of their play. Monaghan likewise are better than last year but as has been pointed out, we were a too rigid in our tactical approach to the game. Not for the first time you could say. Tyrone should present more of a challenge to them in the final. Very hard one to call.

Even last year though, there was nothing between Monaghan and Donegal, when less than the width of the post prevented the Ulster Final going to a replay with the last kick of the game. And dominant as we were in the replay, we were still sloppy enough to allow Monaghan a couple of goals, and Lacey's mistake could have cost another with the one that dropped onto the bar. I wouldn't be writing off Monaghan or reckoning they've regressed based on those games, no more than I would be erecting us as serious challengers in the AI series, at least at this stage. Monaghan and Donegal are very evenly matched at the moment. Tyrone are the great unknown!