http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-36510172
Fifty now confirmed dead following mass shooting at a Gay nightclub. Shooter confirmed as an American citizen of Afghan heritage. Absolutely tragic, may they all rest in peace.
Second thoughts after the victims is what will this do for the presidency race? Trump will be all over this like a leetch.
be the usual reply, if they all had guns blah blah outcome be different, Americans seem to be stupid to the fact that access to guns by any clown is widespread, a total weapons ban is the only way to go but with so many guns in the country thats basically closing the gate after the horse has bolted.
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 12, 2016, 03:38:15 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-36510172
Fifty now confirmed dead following mass shooting at a Gay nightclub. Shooter confirmed as an American citizen of Afghan heritage. Absolutely tragic, may they all rest in peace.
Second thoughts after the victims is what will this do for the presidency race? Trump will be all over this like a leetch.
And what worthwhile contribution will he have to make?
That banning Muslims and "kicking the shit out of ISIS" are the answers?
Quote from: J70 on June 12, 2016, 04:06:51 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 12, 2016, 03:38:15 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-36510172
Fifty now confirmed dead following mass shooting at a Gay nightclub. Shooter confirmed as an American citizen of Afghan heritage. Absolutely tragic, may they all rest in peace.
Second thoughts after the victims is what will this do for the presidency race? Trump will be all over this like a leetch.
And what worthwhile contribution will he have to make?
That banning Muslims and "kicking the shit out of ISIS" are the answers?
It will be interesting to see if the gun was obtained legally.
Also curious if the shooter was on the radar screen of law enforcement......lots of red flags seem to have been missed with some of the recent attacks.
This certainly wont do Trump any harm if its confirmed to be terror related.....not that I in any way shape or form agree with his views
Awful news. 50 people dead is brutal. And targeting gay people is heinous. Trump will milk this.
The debate will be about guns when it should be about mental illness.
Quote from: seafoid on June 12, 2016, 05:48:42 PM
Awful news. 50 people dead is brutal. And targeting gay people is heinous. Trump will milk this.
The debate will be about guns when it should be about mental illness.
Does Trump not hate gays anyway? Seems to hate every other minority.
Apparently this lowlife was a US citizen born in NYC.
Looks to be a lowlife who had a problem with homosexuality... Hopefully that willmarop the panic of terrorism . . .
What are Florida's gun laws like??
Quote from: screenexile on June 12, 2016, 06:52:28 PM
Looks to be a lowlife who had a problem with homosexuality... Hopefully that willmarop the panic of terrorism . . .
What are Florida's gun laws like??
Very easy to get weapons here, it seems to me that 75% of the people I know are armed and have a concealed weapons permits. Some people I know have 20+ guns of all types.I'm disillusioned with how this country has gone, can't wait to get my family out of here in two years.
Quote from: FL/MAYO on June 12, 2016, 07:03:09 PM
Quote from: screenexile on June 12, 2016, 06:52:28 PM
Looks to be a lowlife who had a problem with homosexuality... Hopefully that willmarop the panic of terrorism . . .
What are Florida's gun laws like??
Very easy to get weapons here, it seems to me that 75% of the people I know are armed and have a concealed weapons permits. Some people I know have 20+ guns of all types.I'm disillusioned with how this country has gone, can't wait to get my family out of here in two years.
Would no-one in the nightclub have had a gun to take the guy out??
Looks like a hate crime. Guns must have killed many multiples of the 911 carnage since 911. One American killed by a terrst and Fox is up in arms but the thousands who die in gun crime are par for the course.
Quote from: seafoid on June 12, 2016, 07:31:02 PM
Looks like a hate crime. Guns must have killed many multiples of the 911 carnage since 911. One American killed by a terrst and Fox is up in arms but the thousands who die in gun crime are par for the course.
Fox News talking about ISIS all over the shop... They can't be sure if it was "ISIS organised" or "ISIS inspired"
CNN say that the shooter pledged allegiance when he rang 911...
He was a security guard so I'm sure it was easy enough for him to get the guns legally.
A few more of these mass shootings before November and you could be seeing Trump as President.
Totally horrible incident and thoughts with families and survivors.
Trump sickeningly using the incident to score political points and ask for Obama's resignation! ****!
Just saw a video where just 9 days ago Obama lamented the power of the NRA and the fact he could put ISIS sympathisers on the no fly list but could not prevent them from purchasing as many firearms and ammo as they wished.
Mental Country!
ISIS inspired, NRA enabled.
Quote from: FL/MAYO on June 12, 2016, 09:29:29 PM
He was a security guard so I'm sure it was easy enough for him to get the guns legally.
A few more of these mass shootings before November and you could be seeing Trump as President.
How does that link work?
Guns used were bought by him legally last week even though he had been investigated by the FBI as a possible problem.
Quote from: GJL on June 13, 2016, 09:02:11 AM
Guns used were bought by him legally last week even though he had been investigated by the FBI as a possible problem.
And there lies the problem of gun law in America. 50 lives that could've been saved.
Quote from: heganboy on June 13, 2016, 02:28:08 AM
Quote from: FL/MAYO on June 12, 2016, 09:29:29 PM
He was a security guard so I'm sure it was easy enough for him to get the guns legally.
A few more of these mass shootings before November and you could be seeing Trump as President.
How does that link work?
Its my opinion, if there was to be another terrorist linked attack like this one closer to the election the American independent electorate could swing right which in swing states such as Florida could get Trump over the line. As it is now, Trump and Clinton are pretty close in the polls in Florida the biggest of all swing states, it was Florida that got GWB over the line in 2000.
Quote from: snoopdog on June 13, 2016, 09:23:52 AM
Quote from: GJL on June 13, 2016, 09:02:11 AM
Guns used were bought by him legally last week even though he had been investigated by the FBI as a possible problem.
And there lies the problem of gun law in America. 50 lives that could've been saved.
Americans don't see it like that, and Trump is touching a chord with them. As a people(s) they are worryingly stupid at times.
Did any of ye see your man storm out of the Sky News studio last night as he felt the host wasn't admitting it was an attack on LGBT people?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/owen-jones-walks-off-sky-news-after-presenters-deflect-homophobia-behind-orlando-shooting-a7078891.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/owen-jones-walks-off-sky-news-after-presenters-deflect-homophobia-behind-orlando-shooting-a7078891.html)
Was interesting that the terrorist's dad said he had a hatred for gays.
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 13, 2016, 11:16:34 AM
Did any of ye see your man storm out of the Sky News studio last night as he felt the host wasn't admitting it was an attack on LGBT people?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/owen-jones-walks-off-sky-news-after-presenters-deflect-homophobia-behind-orlando-shooting-a7078891.htm that the terrorist's dad said he had a hatred for gays.
(http://www.independent.co.uk/news/owen-jones-walks-off-sky-news-after-presenters-deflect-homophobia-behind-orlando-shooting-a7078891.html)
I hope that rotten bastard rots in hell, thoughts and prayers for the victims and their family's, awful stuff indeed.
Trump us running for the biggest job in the world, it is politics people and like it or not he is saying what the pepole want to hear, or thinks he is saying what they want to hear.
Radical Islamic terrorism is at the heart of this atrocity year Obama cannot even bring himself to say it, neither can Clinton, both are unfit to govern!i
Quote from: FL/MAYO on June 13, 2016, 10:34:07 AM
Quote from: heganboy on June 13, 2016, 02:28:08 AM
Quote from: FL/MAYO on June 12, 2016, 09:29:29 PM
He was a security guard so I'm sure it was easy enough for him to get the guns legally.
A few more of these mass shootings before November and you could be seeing Trump as President.
How does that link work?
Its my opinion, if there was to be another terrorist linked attack like this one closer to the election the American independent electorate could swing right which in swing states such as Florida could get Trump over the line. As it is now, Trump and Clinton are pretty close in the polls in Florida the biggest of all swing states, it was Florida that got GWB over the line in 2000.
it was James Baker who worked it for Bush
Quote from: seafoid on June 13, 2016, 11:44:41 AM
Quote from: FL/MAYO on June 13, 2016, 10:34:07 AM
Quote from: heganboy on June 13, 2016, 02:28:08 AM
Quote from: FL/MAYO on June 12, 2016, 09:29:29 PM
He was a security guard so I'm sure it was easy enough for him to get the guns legally.
A few more of these mass shootings before November and you could be seeing Trump as President.
How does that link work?
Its my opinion, if there was to be another terrorist linked attack like this one closer to the election the American independent electorate could swing right which in swing states such as Florida could get Trump over the line. As it is now, Trump and Clinton are pretty close in the polls in Florida the biggest of all swing states, it was Florida that got GWB over the line in 2000.
it was James Baker who worked it for Bush
With help from Jeb who was Florida governor at the time.
Quote from: stew on June 13, 2016, 11:42:54 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 13, 2016, 11:16:34 AM
Did any of ye see your man storm out of the Sky News studio last night as he felt the host wasn't admitting it was an attack on LGBT people?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/owen-jones-walks-off-sky-news-after-presenters-deflect-homophobia-behind-orlando-shooting-a7078891.htm that the terrorist's dad said he had a hatred for gays.
(http://www.independent.co.uk/news/owen-jones-walks-off-sky-news-after-presenters-deflect-homophobia-behind-orlando-shooting-a7078891.html)
I hope that rotten b**tard rots in hell, thoughts and prayers for the victims and their family's, awful stuff indeed.
Trump us running for the biggest job in the world, it is politics people and like it or not he is saying what the pepole want to hear, or thinks he is saying what they want to hear.
Radical Islamic terrorism is at the heart of this atrocity year Obama cannot even bring himself to say it, neither can Clinton, both are unfit to govern!i
And yet when Obama used the Charleston massacre to advocate for gun control, he was accused of "politicizing" the tragedy by the right.
Awful tragedy. Can't imagine the suffering and fear at the time as this monster took his time and killed and maimed and injured so many people. RIP...
I think it's a real shame how it's being leveraged by the media, the politicians - these are people's lives - they have families, friends, loved ones...
This guy was a known ISIS sympathizer. His dad was a bit of a nut job from what it seems so was he. He was interviewed by the FBI 3 times in the last couple of years yet he legally obtained an assault rifle and hand gun a week ago and a red flag was not raised. This was a terrorist attack. These terrorists hate a lot of people. Homosexuals are up near the top of that list. Christians are at the top of that list. Non-Muslims are on that list. We're basically all on it. All targets.
So here is the dilemma as a Dad and a husband. Do I hand in my guns and try to be part of the solution or hold on to them and protect my family if I'm ever called to...?
Hard question to answer in light of what happened...
Quote from: The Iceman on June 13, 2016, 03:56:23 PM
Awful tragedy. Can't imagine the suffering and fear at the time as this monster took his time and killed and maimed and injured so many people. RIP...
I think it's a real shame how it's being leveraged by the media, the politicians - these are people's lives - they have families, friends, loved ones...
This guy was a known ISIS sympathizer. His dad was a bit of a nut job from what it seems so was he. He was interviewed by the FBI 3 times in the last couple of years yet he legally obtained an assault rifle and hand gun a week ago and a red flag was not raised. This was a terrorist attack. These terrorists hate a lot of people. Homosexuals are up near the top of that list. Christians are at the top of that list. Non-Muslims are on that list. We're basically all on it. All targets.
So here is the dilemma as a Dad and a husband. Do I hand in my guns and try to be part of the solution or hold on to them and protect my family if I'm ever called to...?
Hard question to answer in light of what happened...
Obama addressed this almost 2 weeks ago and his answer was spot on... eerily scary actually could the shooter have been talked about in that particular meeting?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6imFvSua3Kg
Quote from: The Iceman on June 13, 2016, 03:56:23 PM
Awful tragedy. Can't imagine the suffering and fear at the time as this monster took his time and killed and maimed and injured so many people. RIP...
I think it's a real shame how it's being leveraged by the media, the politicians - these are people's lives - they have families, friends, loved ones...
This guy was a known ISIS sympathizer. His dad was a bit of a nut job from what it seems so was he. He was interviewed by the FBI 3 times in the last couple of years yet he legally obtained an assault rifle and hand gun a week ago and a red flag was not raised. This was a terrorist attack. These terrorists hate a lot of people. Homosexuals are up near the top of that list. Christians are at the top of that list. Non-Muslims are on that list. We're basically all on it. All targets.
So here is the dilemma as a Dad and a husband. Do I hand in my guns and try to be part of the solution or hold on to them and protect my family if I'm ever called to...?
Hard question to answer in light of what happened...
It is certainly terrorism, but it is also another mass-shooting. Brought to you by ISIS in association with the NRA. Special appearances by bigotry, ignorance and intolerance.
Quote from: screenexile on June 13, 2016, 04:25:15 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on June 13, 2016, 03:56:23 PM
Awful tragedy. Can't imagine the suffering and fear at the time as this monster took his time and killed and maimed and injured so many people. RIP...
I think it's a real shame how it's being leveraged by the media, the politicians - these are people's lives - they have families, friends, loved ones...
This guy was a known ISIS sympathizer. His dad was a bit of a nut job from what it seems so was he. He was interviewed by the FBI 3 times in the last couple of years yet he legally obtained an assault rifle and hand gun a week ago and a red flag was not raised. This was a terrorist attack. These terrorists hate a lot of people. Homosexuals are up near the top of that list. Christians are at the top of that list. Non-Muslims are on that list. We're basically all on it. All targets.
So here is the dilemma as a Dad and a husband. Do I hand in my guns and try to be part of the solution or hold on to them and protect my family if I'm ever called to...?
Hard question to answer in light of what happened...
Obama addressed this almost 2 weeks ago and his answer was spot on... eerily scary actually could the shooter have been talked about in that particular meeting?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6imFvSua3Kg
I agree with everything he had to say about it - solid response. The NRA definitely are a road block in all of this to improvements, protections and saving lives. Guns are big business...
Quote from: The Iceman on June 13, 2016, 04:41:18 PM
Quote from: screenexile on June 13, 2016, 04:25:15 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on June 13, 2016, 03:56:23 PM
Awful tragedy. Can't imagine the suffering and fear at the time as this monster took his time and killed and maimed and injured so many people. RIP...
I think it's a real shame how it's being leveraged by the media, the politicians - these are people's lives - they have families, friends, loved ones...
This guy was a known ISIS sympathizer. His dad was a bit of a nut job from what it seems so was he. He was interviewed by the FBI 3 times in the last couple of years yet he legally obtained an assault rifle and hand gun a week ago and a red flag was not raised. This was a terrorist attack. These terrorists hate a lot of people. Homosexuals are up near the top of that list. Christians are at the top of that list. Non-Muslims are on that list. We're basically all on it. All targets.
So here is the dilemma as a Dad and a husband. Do I hand in my guns and try to be part of the solution or hold on to them and protect my family if I'm ever called to...?
Hard question to answer in light of what happened...
Obama addressed this almost 2 weeks ago and his answer was spot on... eerily scary actually could the shooter have been talked about in that particular meeting?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6imFvSua3Kg
I agree with everything he had to say about it - solid response. The NRA definitely are a road block in all of this to improvements, protections and saving lives. Guns are big business...
That's an important point Iceman; a quick search gives the US Gun industry at $31.8 billion. Similarly, the value of the cocaine industry in Colombia is about $10 billion. No country will dispose of this income easily, and cliches like "ban all guns" or "ban all drugs" will never work. Human nature will not allow that. Someone will always step into the breach to make money, whatever the cost.
The higher the worth of this type of trading, the less worth is put on human life.
Sympathies with the victims and their families.
Quote from: stew on June 13, 2016, 11:42:54 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 13, 2016, 11:16:34 AM
Did any of ye see your man storm out of the Sky News studio last night as he felt the host wasn't admitting it was an attack on LGBT people?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/owen-jones-walks-off-sky-news-after-presenters-deflect-homophobia-behind-orlando-shooting-a7078891.htm that the terrorist's dad said he had a hatred for gays.
(http://www.independent.co.uk/news/owen-jones-walks-off-sky-news-after-presenters-deflect-homophobia-behind-orlando-shooting-a7078891.html)
I hope that rotten b**tard rots in hell, thoughts and prayers for the victims and their family's, awful stuff indeed.
Trump us running for the biggest job in the world, it is politics people and like it or not he is saying what the pepole want to hear, or thinks he is saying what they want to hear.
Radical Islamic terrorism is at the heart of this atrocity year Obama cannot even bring himself to say it, neither can Clinton, both are unfit to govern!i
Have you ever actually listened to Obama's rationalization for not using the term?
http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-orlando-cerberus-and-the-profits-of-mass-murder-1.2684091 (http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-orlando-cerberus-and-the-profits-of-mass-murder-1.2684091)
Quote from: Declan on June 14, 2016, 10:09:09 AM
http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-orlando-cerberus-and-the-profits-of-mass-murder-1.2684091 (http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-orlando-cerberus-and-the-profits-of-mass-murder-1.2684091)
Good grief.
ISIS isn't the enemy at all. It is just another catalyst along with religion, homophobia, ignorance, hatred etc., etc.
The real enemy is the NRA and their cheerleaders, who ensure that the nut-job living down the street can be armed with more weapons than the average Dissident Unit.
(http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/15BEB/production/_85876098_us_gun_terrorism_624_v4.png)
That's the thing - Trump would not be saying a word if this dude had been a white Christian male going on a rampage in a gay club.
Which is not to suggest that the issue of this guy slipping through the FBI cracks doesn't need addressing. Of course it does. But the fact is that the GOP is perfectly happy to see anyone and everyone have unfettered access to military style weapons.
"If only one of those night club patrons had been packing night vision goggles and an AK47, the toll might have been much lower..."
Interesting article on Bloomberg, saying that these lone wolves claiming allegiance to the likes of ISIS is basically an attempt to turn a simple deranged, but otherwise criminal, act into an act of martyrdom. An attempt to make themselves part of something, "a moral or religious authority to absolve them".
He reckons ISIS will be a little embarrassed by the current revelations about this dudes's apparent homosexuality.
http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-06-14/isis-is-just-an-umbrella-brand-for-hate (http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-06-14/isis-is-just-an-umbrella-brand-for-hate)
what do you make of the suggestion this man way gay? That he went to the club many times and interacted with others on grindr? Was he simply scoping out the lay of the land and his targets or was he a closet homosexual with a mental illness acting on some kind of rejection?
Maybe everyone is reading in to it all too much? But a lot of people are certainly leveraging this to fit their agenda. So far I've seen:
Closet homosexual
Mental illness
Gun problem
radical islamic terrorist
Hate crime
Homophobia
Quote from: J70 on June 14, 2016, 08:07:31 PM
Interesting article on Bloomberg, saying that these lone wolves claiming allegiance to the likes of ISIS is basically an attempt to turn a simple deranged, but otherwise criminal, act into an act of martyrdom. An attempt to make themselves part of something, "a moral or religious authority to absolve them".
He reckons ISIS will be a little embarrassed by the current revelations about this dudes's apparent homosexuality.
http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-06-14/isis-is-just-an-umbrella-brand-for-hate (http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-06-14/isis-is-just-an-umbrella-brand-for-hate)
That is a very well written article.
Quote from: The Iceman on June 14, 2016, 09:06:41 PM
what do you make of the suggestion this man way gay? That he went to the club many times and interacted with others on grindr? Was he simply scoping out the lay of the land and his targets or was he a closet homosexual with a mental illness acting on some kind of rejection?
Maybe everyone is reading in to it all too much? But a lot of people are certainly leveraging this to fit their agenda. So far I've seen:
Closet homosexual
Mental illness
Gun problem
radical islamic terrorist
Hate crime
Homophobia
To be fair Iceman, the only people (that I've seen - US media may be different) leveraging it to suit an agenda are those spouting the radical Islamic Terrorist line. Take a bow Donald Trump in particular.
The other headlines are mainly no-brainers, and the homosexual claim has some supporting evidence. Let's put it this way, he has attended a gay night club, but attended nothing to do with radical Islamic Terrorism (as far as we know - new info may change that).
Quote from: The Iceman on June 14, 2016, 09:06:41 PM
what do you make of the suggestion this man way gay? That he went to the club many times and interacted with others on grindr? Was he simply scoping out the lay of the land and his targets or was he a closet homosexual with a mental illness acting on some kind of rejection?
Maybe everyone is reading in to it all too much? But a lot of people are certainly leveraging this to fit their agenda. So far I've seen:
Closet homosexual
Mental illness
Gun problem
radical islamic terrorist
Hate crime
Homophobia
Who knows at this point?
Could be all of the above. He clearly had issues of some sort with homosexuality, whether or not self-loathing due to his own tendencies was involved. He clearly sought some kind of affiliation, or at least affinity, with Islamic terrorism. He clearly should not have been able to legally purchase an AR15.
Quote from: The Iceman on June 14, 2016, 09:06:41 PM
what do you make of the suggestion this man way gay? That he went to the club many times and interacted with others on grindr? Was he simply scoping out the lay of the land and his targets or was he a closet homosexual with a mental illness acting on some kind of rejection?
Maybe everyone is reading in to it all too much? But a lot of people are certainly leveraging this to fit their agenda. So far I've seen:
Closet homosexual
Mental illness
Gun problem
radical islamic terrorist
Hate crime
Homophobia
Surely it wouldn't take too much scoping and planning to carry out an attack like this? Buy the weapons, maybe visit the place once to see its layout and where most people are, check on Facebook for when a particularly busy night is, and that's it.
If he genuinely was in the place 'at least a dozen times' and on Grindr and the like, it would seem to me to be far more likely that he was gay and possibly unable to deal with that fact (or the shame associated with it).
Anyone who kills 50 unarmed civilians under any umbrella is mentally unsound anyway, whatever their apparent motive.
Quote from: J70 on June 14, 2016, 08:07:31 PM
Interesting article on Bloomberg, saying that these lone wolves claiming allegiance to the likes of ISIS is basically an attempt to turn a simple deranged, but otherwise criminal, act into an act of martyrdom. An attempt to make themselves part of something, "a moral or religious authority to absolve them".
He reckons ISIS will be a little embarrassed by the current revelations about this dudes's apparent homosexuality.
http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-06-14/isis-is-just-an-umbrella-brand-for-hate (http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-06-14/isis-is-just-an-umbrella-brand-for-hate)
Good article.
The Paris attackers weren't particularly strict Muslims either from what I remember with drinking partying and prostitutes if I remember right. I think the article does a good job of explaining the fact that some of these isolated attacks are merely lost souls look to attach their crimes and ultimately death to something larger.
Incisive article on the BBC re. 'internalised homophobia', which gives some insight into why men who are ostensibly 'straight' build up so much hatred towards members of the LGBT community.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-36534693
Quote from: MoChara on June 15, 2016, 08:25:29 AM
Quote from: J70 on June 14, 2016, 08:07:31 PM
Interesting article on Bloomberg, saying that these lone wolves claiming allegiance to the likes of ISIS is basically an attempt to turn a simple deranged, but otherwise criminal, act into an act of martyrdom. An attempt to make themselves part of something, "a moral or religious authority to absolve them".
He reckons ISIS will be a little embarrassed by the current revelations about this dudes's apparent homosexuality.
http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-06-14/isis-is-just-an-umbrella-brand-for-hate (http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-06-14/isis-is-just-an-umbrella-brand-for-hate)
Good article.
The Paris attackers weren't particularly strict Muslims either from what I remember with drinking partying and prostitutes if I remember right. I think the article does a good job of explaining the fact that some of these isolated attacks are merely lost souls look to attach their crimes and ultimately death to something larger.
You're being kind to them MoChara. c***ts is what I call them.
Quote from: muppet on June 14, 2016, 09:17:29 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on June 14, 2016, 09:06:41 PM
what do you make of the suggestion this man way gay? That he went to the club many times and interacted with others on grindr? Was he simply scoping out the lay of the land and his targets or was he a closet homosexual with a mental illness acting on some kind of rejection?
Maybe everyone is reading in to it all too much? But a lot of people are certainly leveraging this to fit their agenda. So far I've seen:
Closet homosexual
Mental illness
Gun problem
radical islamic terrorist
Hate crime
Homophobia
To be fair Iceman, the only people (that I've seen - US media may be different) leveraging it to suit an agenda are those spouting the radical Islamic Terrorist line. Take a bow Donald Trump in particular.
The other headlines are mainly no-brainers, and the homosexual claim has some supporting evidence. Let's put it this way, he has attended a gay night club, but attended nothing to do with radical Islamic Terrorism (as far as we know - new info may change that).
Well he did go to Saudi Arabia twice so he could have been radicalized there, or maybe it was that time he spent in Jordan?
This is not Trumps fault, nor it it Obamas fault, it is the fault of a sexually confused radical Muslim terrorist whose so called wife and father helped him pull off this atrocity, f**k them all and i hope they get life.
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Yes, the wife could be in serious bother if she really knew in advance and did nothing to raise the alarm.
Quote from: stew on June 15, 2016, 01:18:09 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 14, 2016, 09:17:29 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on June 14, 2016, 09:06:41 PM
what do you make of the suggestion this man way gay? That he went to the club many times and interacted with others on grindr? Was he simply scoping out the lay of the land and his targets or was he a closet homosexual with a mental illness acting on some kind of rejection?
Maybe everyone is reading in to it all too much? But a lot of people are certainly leveraging this to fit their agenda. So far I've seen:
Closet homosexual
Mental illness
Gun problem
radical islamic terrorist
Hate crime
Homophobia
To be fair Iceman, the only people (that I've seen - US media may be different) leveraging it to suit an agenda are those spouting the radical Islamic Terrorist line. Take a bow Donald Trump in particular.
The other headlines are mainly no-brainers, and the homosexual claim has some supporting evidence. Let's put it this way, he has attended a gay night club, but attended nothing to do with radical Islamic Terrorism (as far as we know - new info may change that).
Well he did go to Saudi Arabia twice so he could have been radicalized there, or maybe it was that time he spent in Jordan?
This is not Trumps fault, nor it it Obamas fault, it is the fault of a sexually confused radical Muslim terrorist whose so called wife and father helped him pull off this atrocity, f**k them all and i hope they get life.
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Does anyone really think Trump if elected President would be stopping Saudi's coming into America considering the number of Saudi's involved in 9-11 and so forth?
Not a hope in hell as the petrodollar is all important to the US.
Quote from: stew on June 15, 2016, 01:18:09 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 14, 2016, 09:17:29 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on June 14, 2016, 09:06:41 PM
what do you make of the suggestion this man way gay? That he went to the club many times and interacted with others on grindr? Was he simply scoping out the lay of the land and his targets or was he a closet homosexual with a mental illness acting on some kind of rejection?
Maybe everyone is reading in to it all too much? But a lot of people are certainly leveraging this to fit their agenda. So far I've seen:
Closet homosexual
Mental illness
Gun problem
radical islamic terrorist
Hate crime
Homophobia
To be fair Iceman, the only people (that I've seen - US media may be different) leveraging it to suit an agenda are those spouting the radical Islamic Terrorist line. Take a bow Donald Trump in particular.
The other headlines are mainly no-brainers, and the homosexual claim has some supporting evidence. Let's put it this way, he has attended a gay night club, but attended nothing to do with radical Islamic Terrorism (as far as we know - new info may change that).
Well he did go to Saudi Arabia twice so he could have been radicalized there, or maybe it was that time he spent in Jordan?
This is not Trumps fault, nor it it Obamas fault, it is the fault of a sexually confused radical Muslim terrorist whose so called wife and father helped him pull off this atrocity, f**k them all and i hope they get life.
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But Stew, they are both US allies.
This guy was an armed courthouse guard. Surely the various judges, prosecutors and other officials of the State would have been targets more to ISIS liking than a gay night club?
This guy was acting alone. He was influenced by ISIS, Al-Queda, Syrians rebels and you name it Muslim fighters. It also looks like he was unable to accept himself as he was, due to religious ideology, meaning he couldn't accept as a Muslim that he was gay.
Meanwhile, this looks odd:
"...The FBI is questioning Mateen's widow, Noor Zahi Salman, to determine whether she helped plan the massacre or knew about his plans. Salman on Tuesday had a police escort with her when she went back to the apartment she shared with Mateen.
Officers were investigating whether a burglary occurred at the home in the 2500 block of South 17th Street early Monday.
Fort Pierce police spokesman Ed Cunningham said the FBI left the home secured at 5 a.m. Monday. At 10 a.m., the department got a call from reporters that the back door of the apartment was open...."http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/florida/fl-orlando-shooting-wrap-20160614-story.html (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/florida/fl-orlando-shooting-wrap-20160614-story.html)
They need to add the Orlando shooting to this graphic:
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Most of us might recognise it as the M16 Rifle which was used in the Vietnam War.
(http://cdn3.bigcommerce.com/s-s1ldxg/products/46932/images/47990/machinegun__33456.1435753723.1280.1280.jpg?c=2)
I have no doubt the shooter would have murdered people even if assault weapons weren't banned. But having access to the M16 meant:
a) he could kill more people in a short time;
b) with such firepower it delayed the police being able to kill him leading back to a) again;
Quote from: stew on June 15, 2016, 01:18:09 PM
Well he did go to Saudi Arabia twice so he could have been radicalized there, or maybe it was that time he spent in Jordan?
This is not Trumps fault, nor it it Obamas fault, it is the fault of a sexually confused radical Muslim American domestic terrorist whose so called wife and father helped him pull off this atrocity, f**k them all and i hope they get life.
Fixed that for you
Looks like another terrorist attack is ongoing (some media sources reporting shooter arrested) at a cinema in W Germany. Many injured and fatalities reported.
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 23, 2016, 03:57:17 PM
Looks like another terrorist attack is ongoing (some media sources reporting shooter arrested) at a cinema in W Germany. Many injured and fatalities reported.
Can't find much online - injuries reported from tear ga - 4 shots fired and no reported fatalities but who knows... terra
Dangers of social media, intial reports from the ground confirmed fatalities and between 20-50 injuries. Case of jumping the gun, if you pardon the pun!
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 23, 2016, 03:57:17 PM
Looks like another terrorist attack is ongoing (some media sources reporting shooter arrested) at a cinema in W Germany. Many injured and fatalities reported.
Haven't seen that in a while!
This stinks to high heaven, even the grieving mom was shocking on the TV interviews, I know I'll be shot down as another conspiracy theorist but a small dig and the evidence is there that this was set up or allowed to happen. 50 bodies and not 1 ambulance in sight for hours, cop cars parked perfectly, no sign of carnage and injured people videoed perfectly being carried out nice and calm TOWARDS the massacre scene. Im not anti gay I just find it hard to believe that this attack was genuine.
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on June 24, 2016, 10:35:04 PM
This stinks to high heaven, even the grieving mom was shocking on the TV interviews, I know I'll be shot down as another conspiracy theorist but a small dig and the evidence is there that this was set up or allowed to happen. 50 bodies and not 1 ambulance in sight for hours, cop cars parked perfectly, no sign of carnage and injured people videoed perfectly being carried out nice and calm TOWARDS the massacre scene. Im not anti gay I just find it hard to believe that this attack was genuine.
Occams razor. Tell us what did happen?
I just wanted to put my point of view across, there's no way I'm going to change anybody's mind that don't want changing. Can you answer this question? Why was Libya liberated (sorry invaded destroyed and left in turmoil)?
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on June 24, 2016, 10:53:48 PM
I just wanted to put my point of view across, there's no way I'm going to change anybody's mind that don't want changing. Can you answer this question? Why was Libya liberated (sorry invaded destroyed and left in turmoil)?
Oil.
Maybe I am slow but his is this related to a psycho shooting 50 people?
Quote from: LeoMc on June 24, 2016, 11:08:59 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on June 24, 2016, 10:53:48 PM
I just wanted to put my point of view across, there's no way I'm going to change anybody's mind that don't want changing. Can you answer this question? Why was Libya liberated (sorry invaded destroyed and left in turmoil)?
Oil.
Big gay and lesbian elements
Money!! Rich f**kers sending everybody and anybody to fight their wars. Oil, war, steel it don't matter what but death, destruction and fear make money. The rich elite have everyone by the balls, they own your media and control what they feel you need to hear. Dick Cheney and his family have Made billions from W invaded Iraq. Oh yes it was about Sadam killing his people and his worldly threat. Yet the country had no WMDs and is now non existent and with half it controlled by the rebels the US armed to defeat sadam but now like to labeling them Is, ISis or isil or daiish or what bullshit name they come up with. oh yeah remember the Taliban they went to fight 13 years ago they pretty much still control half their country. Oh Gaddafi that TERRORIST, as know one as answered my question, here if Gaddafi was such an animal why is Mugabe still in Zimbabwe?
More carnage tonight this time in Istanbul....
http://news.sky.com/
Quote from: Boycey on June 28, 2016, 09:01:53 PM
More carnage tonight this time in Istanbul....
http://news.sky.com/
Not far enough west for everyone to start weeping and crying about it .....ala Charlie Hebdo, etc. It'll be forgotten about in a few days.
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 28, 2016, 09:20:55 PM
Quote from: Boycey on June 28, 2016, 09:01:53 PM
More carnage tonight this time in Istanbul....
http://news.sky.com/
Not far enough west for everyone to start weeping and crying about it .....ala Charlie Hebdo, etc. It'll be forgotten about in a few days.
Possibly, it depends who are among the dead. They are reporting that it happened at the international departures area so tourists are likely to be among the casualties..
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 28, 2016, 09:20:55 PM
Quote from: Boycey on June 28, 2016, 09:01:53 PM
More carnage tonight this time in Istanbul....
http://news.sky.com/
Not far enough west for everyone to start weeping and crying about it .....ala Charlie Hebdo, etc. It'll be forgotten about in a few days.
Not quite.
After Paris, Brussels Airport & now this there is a real chance that American numbers traveling to Europe will fall. That will probably mean jobs lost in the travel and tourism industries here. Brexit certainly don't help either.