May as well get this started, but before the usual insults and nonsense. ......can one of you Derry chaps tell me which one the brandywell / bluebell stand is (and if it is seating or terraced)?
Will be terraced, either behind the goal towards Brandywell or opposite main stand, either accessible with the same ticket
Cheers
je, take this thread down to buck. Where not ready. Is it that close!!!!!!!!
The half forward line would seem to be the only area of the pitch where places are really up for grabs at the minute. Peter Harte has one of those places nailed down with Meyler, Bradley, Sludden and Richie Donnely fighting it out for the other two spots. Also one of the half back line positions up for grabs with Justy, Tierney and Sludden in a battle for it - think we're a much more solid and balanced side with Justy at 6 and we will need his size there against the big Derry forwards. Also a place at corner forward between Brennan, McCurry and O'Neill.
Think the team will be something like:
1. O'Neill
2. McCrory
3. McNamee
4. McCarron
5. Brennan
6. Justy
7. McCann
8. Colm Cav
9. Mattie Donnelly
10. Meyler
11. Harte
12. Richie Donnelly
13. McAliskey
14. Sean Cav
15. O'Neill
Wire it into the bastids!!the drive for 5 is alive!!
Quote from: rrhf on April 25, 2016, 09:04:35 PM
Wire it into the bastids!!the drive for 5 is alive!!
where ye driving to?
have we bate ye 3 or 4 time this year. Let's make history!!
Can Barton keep his cool?
if we beat tyrone wance in a row this year, I'll be happy
Derry will be loving the build up, no pressure on them at all. We've all to lose here and and an ambush could be on the cards!
Stick an aul tenner on them, money in the bank ;)
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 25, 2016, 08:40:41 PM
The half forward line would seem to be the only area of the pitch where places are really up for grabs at the minute. Peter Harte has one of those places nailed down with Meyler, Bradley, Sludden and Richie Donnely fighting it out for the other two spots. Also one of the half back line positions up for grabs with Justy, Tierney and Sludden in a battle for it - think we're a much more solid and balanced side with Justy at 6 and we will need his size there against the big Derry forwards. Also a place at corner forward between Brennan, McCurry and O'Neill.
Think the team will be something like:
1. O'Neill
2. McCrory
3. McNamee
4. McCarron
5. Brennan
6. Justy
7. McCann
8. Colm Cav
9. Mattie Donnelly
10. Meyler
11. Harte
12. Richie Donnelly
13. McAliskey
14. Sean Cav
15. O'Neill
Did you not hear, Tyrone are only fielding 13, its a well known fact Derry can't bate a team of 13 Tyrone men.
Like to see this team
1 O'Neill
2 McGeary
3 McMahon
4 Brennan
5 McGeary
6 McMahon
7 McCann
8 Cavanagh
9 Donnelly
10 McCann
11 A N Brother
12 Donnelly
13 Brennan
14 Cavanagh
15 O'Neill
If there is an ambush the odds should be similar to those of Leicester winning the PL at the start of the season.
We're nowhere near and I can't see who we can bring in or what strategy we can employ where we win. We don't have the players in the first 15 let alone the depth to operate at Tyrone's level.
I was optimistic when the draw was announced that Tyrone weren't as good as their showing last year and that we would improve through the year. In reality Tyrone are close if not in the second tier of teams to challenge Dublin while we've regressed!
Quote from: never kickt a ball on April 25, 2016, 11:45:06 PM
Like to see this team
1 O'Neill
2 McGeary
3 McMahon
4 Brennan
5 McGeary
6 McMahon
7 McCann
8 Cavanagh
9 Donnelly
10 McCann
11 A N Brother
12 Donnelly
13 Brennan
14 Cavanagh
15 O'Neill
You seriously wouldn't start McAliskey?
He'd be one of the first names on the teamsheet for me, he has that explosiveness that the likes of McCurry and O'Neill don't have. Brennan is completely unproven yet. It's McAliskey and one of the others right now.
Quote from: screenexile on April 26, 2016, 12:00:52 AM
If there is an ambush the odds should be similar to those of Leicester winning the PL at the start of the season.
We're nowhere near and I can't see who we can bring in or what strategy we can employ where we win. We don't have the players in the first 15 let alone the depth to operate at Tyrone's level.
I was optimistic when the draw was announced that Tyrone weren't as good as their showing last year and that we would improve through the year. In reality Tyrone are close if not in the second tier of teams to challenge Dublin while we've regressed!
The way that Derry can win is to play the game they played the last time they beat Tyrone in the championship with every single man behind the ball. That is probably the only way though...
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 26, 2016, 12:43:12 AM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on April 25, 2016, 11:45:06 PM
Like to see this team
1 O'Neill
2 McGeary
3 McMahon
4 Brennan
5 McGeary
6 McMahon
7 McCann
8 Cavanagh
9 Donnelly
10 McCann
11 A N Brother
12 Donnelly
13 Brennan
14 Cavanagh
15 O'Neill
You seriously wouldn't start McAliskey?
He'd be one of the first names on the teamsheet for me, he has that explosiveness that the likes of McCurry and O'Neill don't have. Brennan is completely unproven yet. It's McAliskey and one of the others right now.
Whoosh!
Quote from: LeoMc on April 26, 2016, 08:32:22 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 26, 2016, 12:43:12 AM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on April 25, 2016, 11:45:06 PM
Like to see this team
1 O'Neill
2 McGeary
3 McMahon
4 Brennan
5 McGeary
6 McMahon
7 McCann
8 Cavanagh
9 Donnelly
10 McCann
11 A N Brother
12 Donnelly
13 Brennan
14 Cavanagh
15 O'Neill
You seriously wouldn't start McAliskey?
He'd be one of the first names on the teamsheet for me, he has that explosiveness that the likes of McCurry and O'Neill don't have. Brennan is completely unproven yet. It's McAliskey and one of the others right now.
Whoosh!
I see. Silly me.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 25, 2016, 08:40:41 PM
The half forward line would seem to be the only area of the pitch where places are really up for grabs at the minute. Peter Harte has one of those places nailed down with Meyler, Bradley, Sludden and Richie Donnely fighting it out for the other two spots. Also one of the half back line positions up for grabs with Justy, Tierney and Sludden in a battle for it - think we're a much more solid and balanced side with Justy at 6 and we will need his size there against the big Derry forwards. Also a place at corner forward between Brennan, McCurry and O'Neill.
Think the team will be something like:
1. O'Neill
2. McCrory
3. McNamee
4. McCarron
5. Brennan
6. Justy
7. McCann
8. Colm Cav
9. Mattie Donnelly
10. Meyler
11. Harte
12. Richie Donnelly
13. McAliskey
14. Sean Cav
15. O'Neill
Agreed, this would be my starting XV also. I don't think there's much up for discussion. Richie Donnelly surely did enough during the league to warrant a start, especially the way he played against Derry in Omagh. Surprised he didn't start against Cavan in Croker, maybe Mickey wanted to check on other options. Wasn't impressed with Bradley on Sunday, but he's a good option off the bench along with the likes of McCurry, Lee Brennan, Tiernay, Sludden, McNulty, McGeary's
Has anyone managed to get seated tickets through Supervalu or gaa.ie?
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 26, 2016, 10:09:15 AM
Has anyone managed to get seated tickets through Supervalu or gaa.ie?
Seated tix I assume will only be distributed through clubs or county board as is usually the case.
Quote from: JoG2 on April 26, 2016, 10:41:15 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 26, 2016, 10:09:15 AM
Has anyone managed to get seated tickets through Supervalu or gaa.ie?
Seated tix I assume will only be distributed through clubs or county board as is usually the case.
Is it usually the case? I know last year of someone who got tickets for Donegal v Tyrone in the seats via Supervalu.
They were advertising seated tickets yesterday too.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 26, 2016, 10:50:59 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on April 26, 2016, 10:41:15 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 26, 2016, 10:09:15 AM
Has anyone managed to get seated tickets through Supervalu or gaa.ie?
Seated tix I assume will only be distributed through clubs or county board as is usually the case.
Is it usually the case? I know last year of someone who got tickets for Donegal v Tyrone in the seats via Supervalu.
They were advertising seated tickets yesterday too.
maybe a small allocation in the corners, good enough for ye ! ;-)
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 26, 2016, 10:50:59 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on April 26, 2016, 10:41:15 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 26, 2016, 10:09:15 AM
Has anyone managed to get seated tickets through Supervalu or gaa.ie?
Seated tix I assume will only be distributed through clubs or county board as is usually the case.
Is it usually the case? I know last year of someone who got tickets for Donegal v Tyrone in the seats via Supervalu.
They were advertising seated tickets yesterday too.
Real seats. Real people
Think our team will look something like
T Mallon
AN Other
AN Other
AN Other
AN Other
AN Other
AN Other
AN Other
AN Other
AN Other
M Lynch
AN Other
AN Other
AN Other
AN Other
But Mallon's form and Lynch's position and fitness are open to debate.
Quote from: JoG2 on April 26, 2016, 11:09:06 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 26, 2016, 10:50:59 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on April 26, 2016, 10:41:15 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 26, 2016, 10:09:15 AM
Has anyone managed to get seated tickets through Supervalu or gaa.ie?
Seated tix I assume will only be distributed through clubs or county board as is usually the case.
Is it usually the case? I know last year of someone who got tickets for Donegal v Tyrone in the seats via Supervalu.
They were advertising seated tickets yesterday too.
maybe a small allocation in the corners, good enough for ye ! ;-)
Oh Id only go if I padded seats in the middle with no riff raff.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 26, 2016, 01:34:43 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on April 26, 2016, 11:09:06 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 26, 2016, 10:50:59 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on April 26, 2016, 10:41:15 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 26, 2016, 10:09:15 AM
Has anyone managed to get seated tickets through Supervalu or gaa.ie?
Seated tix I assume will only be distributed through clubs or county board as is usually the case.
Is it usually the case? I know last year of someone who got tickets for Donegal v Tyrone in the seats via Supervalu.
They were advertising seated tickets yesterday too.
maybe a small allocation in the corners, good enough for ye ! ;-)
Oh Id only go if I padded seats in the middle with no riff raff.
Hello u do realise Tyrone are playing ;). On a serious note surely Derry have a big performance in them? I'm gonna go for a draw with Tyrone to win replay by 4pts in Omagh
Is it too early to start giving the Derry wans bad manners?
Quote from: Club Rossa on April 26, 2016, 04:00:35 PM
Is it too early to start giving the Derry wans bad manners?
It is alright, we are more to be pitied at this stage. Have never seen expectations so low around the county team. You would think playing Tyrone would be enough to get the blood pressure raised but things seem to be at a really low ebb. Genuinely would be surprised if we get within 4/5 points. The only thing saving us from a real tanking is that Tyrone don't seem to possess a regular goal threat.
Gonna go with this Derry team myself
Damien McCusker (GK)
Kieran McKeever
Tony Scullion
Fergal McCusker
Johnny McGurk
Henry Downey (Capt.)
Gary Coleman
Anthony Tohill
Brian McGilligan
Dermot Heaney
Damien Barton
Damien Cassidy
Joe Brolly
Séamus Downey
Enda Gormley
Going on league form this looks like a straightforward win for us.But we will see a different Derry team on May 22.They'll be eating the changing room doors to get at us.We have never won in Celtic Park before and We'll do very well to get out of it with a win.
We haven't a hope. This isn't some kind of reverse psychology either. Things aren't great in camp at the minute and we haven't anywhere near a settled starting 15. I'd be surprised if we get within 5 points.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 26, 2016, 08:19:32 AM
Quote from: screenexile on April 26, 2016, 12:00:52 AM
If there is an ambush the odds should be similar to those of Leicester winning the PL at the start of the season.
We're nowhere near and I can't see who we can bring in or what strategy we can employ where we win. We don't have the players in the first 15 let alone the depth to operate at Tyrone's level.
I was optimistic when the draw was announced that Tyrone weren't as good as their showing last year and that we would improve through the year. In reality Tyrone are close if not in the second tier of teams to challenge Dublin while we've regressed!
The way that Derry can win is to play the game they played the last time they beat Tyrone in the championship with every single man behind the ball. That is probably the only way though...
But that Derry team also had a full forward line of Muldoon and the two Bradleys.
No grounds for optimism in Derry. None whatsoever.
Wow this is amazing. Modesty and humbleness are traits not normally associated with Derry men. a modest Derry man is much more frightening.... It's the fear of the Unknown.
I've taken all the fun out of this clash. :(
In serious note, I fully expect Tyrone to come away with a win here. Still, it's Derry. Can't never be too c**k sure.
I fully expect Derry to hand Tyrone their arse's on a platter in CP next month. Big Rogers, the McKaigues and Dermot will eat Tyrone's minion forward unit for breakfast. McFaul or Heavron will be pushed up on big Colm so he's not just marking space and looking good. Midfield to break even (big young Bradley is always good for a couple of points to boot) and any combination of big Mark, big Shane, big Caolan or really big Emmet (if fit) to cause damage under the high ball. Goals will be the winning of this hardy, defensive, black / yellow / red card riddled Ulster championship clash...canny wait
Derry by 2
Quote from: JoG2 on April 27, 2016, 02:55:07 PM
I fully expect Derry to hand Tyrone their arse's on a platter in CP next month. Big Rogers, the McKaigues and Dermot will eat Tyrone's minion forward unit for breakfast. McFaul or Heavron will be pushed up on big Colm so he's not just marking space and looking good. Midfield to break even (big young Bradley is always good for a couple of points to boot) and any combination of big Mark, big Shane, big Caolan or really big Emmet (if fit) to cause damage under the high ball. Goals will be the winning of this hardy, defensive, black / yellow / red card riddled Ulster championship clash...canny wait
Derry by 2
lol ;D :D
Quote from: JoG2 on April 27, 2016, 02:55:07 PM
I fully expect Derry to hand Tyrone their arse's on a platter in CP next month. Big Rogers, the McKaigues and Dermot will eat Tyrone's minion forward unit for breakfast. McFaul or Heavron will be pushed up on big Colm so he's not just marking space and looking good. Midfield to break even (big young Bradley is always good for a couple of points to boot) and any combination of big Mark, big Shane, big Caolan or really big Emmet (if fit) to cause damage under the high ball. Goals will be the winning of this hardy, defensive, black / yellow / red card riddled Ulster championship clash...canny wait
Derry by 2
Can I have some of whatever it is you're having???
Quote from: screenexile on April 27, 2016, 11:04:38 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on April 27, 2016, 02:55:07 PM
I fully expect Derry to hand Tyrone their arse's on a platter in CP next month. Big Rogers, the McKaigues and Dermot will eat Tyrone's minion forward unit for breakfast. McFaul or Heavron will be pushed up on big Colm so he's not just marking space and looking good. Midfield to break even (big young Bradley is always good for a couple of points to boot) and any combination of big Mark, big Shane, big Caolan or really big Emmet (if fit) to cause damage under the high ball. Goals will be the winning of this hardy, defensive, black / yellow / red card riddled Ulster championship clash...canny wait
Derry by 2
Can I have some of whatever it is you're having???
You can like fun 'screen, I've the entire county's supply and she's running low!
Ye love the word 'big' JOG2. Are you over compensating for something??
Lol'd at that jog2.. if the tyrone players start believing their own hype derry might have a chance of getting them in the long grass. You know how cocky that lot can be
Quote from: theticklemister on April 28, 2016, 08:02:52 AM
Ye love the word 'big' JOG2. Are you over compensating for something??
Yes! Mind games tickle. Did you read Ricey talking about the 'good draw' Tyrone have in the first round, sickening arrogance! Mon Derry!
Quote from: JoG2 on April 28, 2016, 10:21:41 AM
Quote from: theticklemister on April 28, 2016, 08:02:52 AM
Ye love the word 'big' JOG2. Are you over compensating for something??
Yes! Mind games tickle. Did you read Ricey talking about the 'good draw' Tyrone have in the first round, sickening arrogance! Mon Derry!
Ricey now writes?? Jesus I've heard it all now. Must be a ghostwriter!
Quote from: JoG2 on April 28, 2016, 10:21:41 AM
Quote from: theticklemister on April 28, 2016, 08:02:52 AM
Ye love the word 'big' JOG2. Are you over compensating for something??
Yes! Mind games tickle. Did you read Ricey talking about the 'good draw' Tyrone have in the first round, sickening arrogance! Mon Derry!
It is a good draw. It's much better than getting Monaghan or Donegal. We're not saying it's going to be a walkover.
Quote from: JoG2 on April 25, 2016, 07:23:38 PM
Will be terraced, either behind the goal towards Brandywell or opposite main stand, either accessible with the same ticket
I assume the bluebell stand is the long one opposite the seats and Brandywell is behind the nets?
Quote from: JoG2 on April 27, 2016, 02:55:07 PM
I fully expect Derry to hand Tyrone their arse's on a platter in CP next month. Big Rogers, the McKaigues and Dermot will eat Tyrone's minion forward unit for breakfast. McFaul or Heavron will be pushed up on big Colm so he's not just marking space and looking good. Midfield to break even (big young Bradley is always good for a couple of points to boot) and any combination of big Mark, big Shane, big Caolan or really big Emmet (if fit) to cause damage under the high ball. Goals will be the winning of this hardy, defensive, black / yellow / red card riddled Ulster championship clash...canny wait
Derry by 2
C'mon ye boy ye! ;D
Quote from: tyroneman on April 29, 2016, 03:00:16 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on April 25, 2016, 07:23:38 PM
Will be terraced, either behind the goal towards Brandywell or opposite main stand, either accessible with the same ticket
I assume the bluebell stand is the long one opposite the seats and Brandywell is behind the nets?
without being 100%, I'd assume the same. Both are accessible with the same ticket as you can easily walk between them. I've got the same tix
24 years ago today since Plunkett called "My ball" as a 45 dropped into the Tyrone square.
I was surprised to hear that Derry have played Down and Fermanagh in recent challenge matches.According to a lot of Derry boy's I've been talking too,they'll struggle to field a team against us!! We're being set up for the perfect ambush by those cute Derry hoors!
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on May 03, 2016, 06:53:56 PM
24 years ago today since Plunkett called "My ball" as a 45 dropped into the Tyrone square.
Was a fine day!!! We played them in the Championship the week or two after and beat them easily again as well. Peter the 'great unless I'm marking McKeever' Canavan!
Like Mr Dooher, having gone to school in Derry and having a good few Derry friends at college during the 90s this game used to be high intensity rivalry with the 1995 game probably the best ever.
This year it seems to be a bit of a damp squib build up with Derry seeming to have lost their mojo during the league.
Damien Barton seemed to have got them riled up a bit at the start of the year but has the gloss gone off that.
Is the strong Derry club scene more important to most Derry people than the intercounty scene or is it all just a big show to catch us AGAIN in the long grass.
Tyrone do have a terrible away record against Derry but I think we will have too much for them this time. We've been winning matches without setting the world on fire so hopefully this match will get a rise from both sets of players.
Will Eoin Bradley be back or is he a soccer only man now?
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 06, 2016, 10:09:28 AM
Like Mr Dooher, having gone to school in Derry and having a good few Derry friends at college during the 90s this game used to be high intensity rivalry with the 1995 game probably the best ever.
This year it seems to be a bit of a damp squib build up with Derry seeming to have lost their mojo during the league.
Damien Barton seemed to have got them riled up a bit at the start of the year but has the gloss gone off that.
Is the strong Derry club scene more important to most Derry people than the intercounty scene or is it all just a big show to catch us AGAIN in the long grass.
Tyrone do have a terrible away record against Derry but I think we will have too much for them this time. We've been winning matches without setting the world on fire so hopefully this match will get a rise from both sets of players.
Will Eoin Bradley be back or is he a soccer only man now?
I heard Eoin Bradley is flying and scored 1.6 in a recent challenge game. His 6 game suspension in the soccer was timely for the gaa season.
That's great news. We'll need something like him to liven it up.
From today's Irish News.
DERRY manager Damian Barton has urged the media not to whip up a frenzy of ill-will ahead of his side's Ulster Football Championship clash with arch-rivals Tyrone.
He anticipates a sporting contest, unblemished by scenes of indiscipline.
Tensions have never been far from the surface during previous encounters this season, with Barton handed an eight-week ban as a result of an incident during the Dr McKenna Cup final.
"I can't see there's any sparks gonna' fly particularly between Derry and Tyrone as any other contest.
"Again, I just hope the media don't go down that route, and whip this up to something it's not," he said.
"I think the media has exaggerated it out of all proportion. It obviously makes good press, it sells papers, and at 80p a pop it's not bad.
"But what do you want to do? Do you want to look back at the history of the GAA and confrontation, and what this game is all about. It's a physical contest between not just 15 players, but beyond that. Isn't that the beauty, or one of the beauties of this game?"
Barton also dismissed suggestions that Ulster teams adopt a more physical, confrontational approach to the game than those from the southern provinces.
"I think it's a perception. I'm sure if you asked any other province, and the teams that are competing against each other, they would like to think there's physicality in their games as well.
"Certainly whenever you play against any of the southern teams, I can't see any difference from a physical point of view.
"Again, I think it's a notion as much as anything else. I think whenever southern teams have been turned over by absolute work-rate and passion of some of the northern teams, sometimes they have cried foul.
"But at the end of the day it's a competitive environment, and I can't see any difference between any of the teams."
The Oak Leaf boss insisted he's approaching the Celtic Park clash with Tyrone as a must-win tie.
To him, this is knock-out Championship football, and the issue of back door reprieves through the Qualifiers is not on the agenda.
"We all look at the Ulster Championship as unique, it's a knock-out, and I'm certainly not thinking of back door and safety nets. It's going to be a good day and I'm hoping Derry people come and support us.
"It's Ulster Championship, it's knock-out, you can't afford to be thinking otherwise.
"I think Tyrone will admit too that the previous games will have no significance on this game.
"It's a different occasion and it demands a different focus, and a different type of performance."
The momentum lies with Tyrone, who went through their NFL campaign unbeaten, on their way to promotion and the Division Two title.
Derry, on the other hand, endured a disappointing campaign after a promising start, and hovered just above the relegation zone.
However, Barton feels his team is in a good place, and the players have prepared well for a huge test on May 22.
"Nothing beats winning, in terms of confidence, but we're happy enough with where we are at the minute. Things have been going pretty well, and players have been back getting their diet of club football, which is a good thing as well.
"But it's a different occasion, and I still think you toss a coin before a game not just to see what way you're going. Certainly, we don't know the outcome, and they'll have to come to Celtic Park and beat us."
A bad Derry team can beat a good Tyrone side.
Quote from: lenny on May 06, 2016, 10:13:46 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 06, 2016, 10:09:28 AM
Like Mr Dooher, having gone to school in Derry and having a good few Derry friends at college during the 90s this game used to be high intensity rivalry with the 1995 game probably the best ever.
This year it seems to be a bit of a damp squib build up with Derry seeming to have lost their mojo during the league.
Damien Barton seemed to have got them riled up a bit at the start of the year but has the gloss gone off that.
Is the strong Derry club scene more important to most Derry people than the intercounty scene or is it all just a big show to catch us AGAIN in the long grass.
Tyrone do have a terrible away record against Derry but I think we will have too much for them this time. We've been winning matches without setting the world on fire so hopefully this match will get a rise from both sets of players.
Will Eoin Bradley be back or is he a soccer only man now?
I heard Eoin Bradley is flying and scored 1.6 in a recent challenge game. His 6 game suspension in the soccer was timely for the gaa season.
Yes its good to see Eoin back - Everyone deserves a second chance. Id have gone further and brought Paddy in for this game as well. The Seige of Derry mark 2, The battle of the bogside mark 2. I think this will be the most intriguing game of the Ulster championship. Tyrone will be very lucky to come out of here with anything. My Derry sources are telling me that Derry are planning one of the biggest ambushes in recent Ulster championship history, others are telling me that Derry are rubbish and havent a hope. Traditionally even when Derry had half decent teams half the county would berate them anyway. Can Derry get over their in built self loathing when faced with the common enemy. Tradition would say yes. Derry by 3.
Derry ones will never get over the self-loathing. Sure luk at the heads on them.
Tyrone walked into Healy park as AI champions and got humiliated by an average Derry side. I would never take a win over Derry as a forgone conclusion.
Every chance we come out of Celtic park with tails between legs....again.
Quote from: rrhf on May 07, 2016, 01:49:01 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 06, 2016, 10:13:46 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 06, 2016, 10:09:28 AM
Like Mr Dooher, having gone to school in Derry and having a good few Derry friends at college during the 90s this game used to be high intensity rivalry with the 1995 game probably the best ever.
This year it seems to be a bit of a damp squib build up with Derry seeming to have lost their mojo during the league.
Damien Barton seemed to have got them riled up a bit at the start of the year but has the gloss gone off that.
Is the strong Derry club scene more important to most Derry people than the intercounty scene or is it all just a big show to catch us AGAIN in the long grass.
Tyrone do have a terrible away record against Derry but I think we will have too much for them this time. We've been winning matches without setting the world on fire so hopefully this match will get a rise from both sets of players.
Will Eoin Bradley be back or is he a soccer only man now?
I heard Eoin Bradley is flying and scored 1.6 in a recent challenge game. His 6 game suspension in the soccer was timely for the gaa season.
Yes its good to see Eoin back - Everyone deserves a second chance. Id have gone further and brought Paddy in for this game as well. The Seige of Derry mark 2, The battle of the bogside mark 2. I think this will be the most intriguing game of the Ulster championship. Tyrone will be very lucky to come out of here with anything. My Derry sources are telling me that Derry are planning one of the biggest ambushes in recent Ulster championship history, others are telling me that Derry are rubbish and havent a hope. Traditionally even when Derry had half decent teams half the county would berate them anyway. Can Derry get over their in built self loathing when faced with the common enemy. Tradition would say yes. Derry by 3.
News to us when the f**k did Skinner rejoin the panel??
Quote from: screenexile on May 07, 2016, 10:40:08 PM
Quote from: rrhf on May 07, 2016, 01:49:01 PM
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Like Mr Dooher, having gone to school in Derry and having a good few Derry friends at college during the 90s this game used to be high intensity rivalry with the 1995 game probably the best ever.
This year it seems to be a bit of a damp squib build up with Derry seeming to have lost their mojo during the league.
Damien Barton seemed to have got them riled up a bit at the start of the year but has the gloss gone off that.
Is the strong Derry club scene more important to most Derry people than the intercounty scene or is it all just a big show to catch us AGAIN in the long grass.
Tyrone do have a terrible away record against Derry but I think we will have too much for them this time. We've been winning matches without setting the world on fire so hopefully this match will get a rise from both sets of players.
Will Eoin Bradley be back or is he a soccer only man now?
I heard Eoin Bradley is flying and scored 1.6 in a recent challenge game. His 6 game suspension in the soccer was timely for the gaa season.
Yes its good to see Eoin back - Everyone deserves a second chance. Id have gone further and brought Paddy in for this game as well. The Seige of Derry mark 2, The battle of the bogside mark 2. I think this will be the most intriguing game of the Ulster championship. Tyrone will be very lucky to come out of here with anything. My Derry sources are telling me that Derry are planning one of the biggest ambushes in recent Ulster championship history, others are telling me that Derry are rubbish and havent a hope. Traditionally even when Derry had half decent teams half the county would berate them anyway. Can Derry get over their in built self loathing when faced with the common enemy. Tradition would say yes. Derry by 3.
News to us when the f**k did Skinner rejoin the panel??
Tell them feck all 'Screen.. Skinner flying in training and is on 4 weetabix is all they need to know
he transferred from Derry to win medals so maybe that itch is now scratched.
Quote from: tyroneman on May 07, 2016, 06:28:11 PM
Tyrone walked into Healy park as AI champions and got humiliated by an average Derry side. I would never take a win over Derry as a forgone conclusion.
Every chance we come out of Celtic park with tails between legs....again.
Mickey underestimated Derry that day, he butchered the team selection and I suppose the players thought they only had to turn up as they had the AI bagged only a few months earlier. Tyrone took a good beating but it was a considerably above average Derry team.
B Gillis; K McGuckin, K McCloy, F McEldowney; L Hinphey, P McFlynn, J O'Kane (0-01); J McBride (capt), J Diver; M Lynch, B McGoldrick, F Doherty; E Muldoon (1-03 (3f)), P Bradley (0-03 (1f)), E Bradley (0-01).
Quote from: tiempo on May 08, 2016, 11:02:54 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on May 07, 2016, 06:28:11 PM
Tyrone walked into Healy park as AI champions and got humiliated by an average Derry side. I would never take a win over Derry as a forgone conclusion.
Every chance we come out of Celtic park with tails between legs....again.
Mickey underestimated Derry that day, he butchered the team selection and I suppose the players thought they only had to turn up as they had the AI bagged only a few months earlier. Tyrone took a good beating but it was a considerably above average Derry team.
B Gillis; K McGuckin, K McCloy, F McEldowney; L Hinphey, P McFlynn, J O'Kane (0-01); J McBride (capt), J Diver; M Lynch, B McGoldrick, F Doherty; E Muldoon (1-03 (3f)), P Bradley (0-03 (1f)), E Bradley (0-01).
I know Hub getting sent off for trying to stand up for Mulgrew (who was getting bullied out of it)also didn't help but we were still a better team than Derry that year.
Quote from: tyroneman on May 09, 2016, 08:17:33 PM
Quote from: tiempo on May 08, 2016, 11:02:54 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on May 07, 2016, 06:28:11 PM
Tyrone walked into Healy park as AI champions and got humiliated by an average Derry side. I would never take a win over Derry as a forgone conclusion.
Every chance we come out of Celtic park with tails between legs....again.
Mickey underestimated Derry that day, he butchered the team selection and I suppose the players thought they only had to turn up as they had the AI bagged only a few months earlier. Tyrone took a good beating but it was a considerably above average Derry team.
B Gillis; K McGuckin, K McCloy, F McEldowney; L Hinphey, P McFlynn, J O'Kane (0-01); J McBride (capt), J Diver; M Lynch, B McGoldrick, F Doherty; E Muldoon (1-03 (3f)), P Bradley (0-03 (1f)), E Bradley (0-01).
I know Hub getting sent off for trying to stand up for Mulgrew (who was getting bullied out of it)also didn't help but we were still a better team than Derry that year.
As the score line showed. You boys have a 'take your oil' bypass?!
Quote from: JoG2 on May 09, 2016, 09:10:58 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on May 09, 2016, 08:17:33 PM
Quote from: tiempo on May 08, 2016, 11:02:54 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on May 07, 2016, 06:28:11 PM
Tyrone walked into Healy park as AI champions and got humiliated by an average Derry side. I would never take a win over Derry as a forgone conclusion.
Every chance we come out of Celtic park with tails between legs....again.
Mickey underestimated Derry that day, he butchered the team selection and I suppose the players thought they only had to turn up as they had the AI bagged only a few months earlier. Tyrone took a good beating but it was a considerably above average Derry team.
B Gillis; K McGuckin, K McCloy, F McEldowney; L Hinphey, P McFlynn, J O'Kane (0-01); J McBride (capt), J Diver; M Lynch, B McGoldrick, F Doherty; E Muldoon (1-03 (3f)), P Bradley (0-03 (1f)), E Bradley (0-01).
I know Hub getting sent off for trying to stand up for Mulgrew (who was getting bullied out of it)also didn't help but we were still a better team than Derry that year.
As the score line showed. You boys have a 'take your oil' bypass?!
Actually, yeh, yr right. Poor v Louth then dumped out by Laois. We were very poor that year. Derry not that much better though exiting the next round in Ulster and then getting dumped by Longford in the qualifiers. But I take the point that ye were better than us in 06.
Quote from: tyroneman on May 09, 2016, 09:41:10 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 09, 2016, 09:10:58 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on May 09, 2016, 08:17:33 PM
Quote from: tiempo on May 08, 2016, 11:02:54 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on May 07, 2016, 06:28:11 PM
Tyrone walked into Healy park as AI champions and got humiliated by an average Derry side. I would never take a win over Derry as a forgone conclusion.
Every chance we come out of Celtic park with tails between legs....again.
Mickey underestimated Derry that day, he butchered the team selection and I suppose the players thought they only had to turn up as they had the AI bagged only a few months earlier. Tyrone took a good beating but it was a considerably above average Derry team.
B Gillis; K McGuckin, K McCloy, F McEldowney; L Hinphey, P McFlynn, J O'Kane (0-01); J McBride (capt), J Diver; M Lynch, B McGoldrick, F Doherty; E Muldoon (1-03 (3f)), P Bradley (0-03 (1f)), E Bradley (0-01).
I know Hub getting sent off for trying to stand up for Mulgrew (who was getting bullied out of it)also didn't help but we were still a better team than Derry that year.
As the score line showed. You boys have a 'take your oil' bypass?!
Actually, yeh, yr right. Poor v Louth then dumped out by Laois. We were very poor that year. Derry not that much better though exiting the next round in Ulster and then getting dumped by Longford in the qualifiers. But I take the point that ye were better than us in 06.
Did you have to mention Longford?! Jeez
Quote from: tiempo on May 08, 2016, 11:02:54 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on May 07, 2016, 06:28:11 PM
Tyrone walked into Healy park as AI champions and got humiliated by an average Derry side. I would never take a win over Derry as a forgone conclusion.
Every chance we come out of Celtic park with tails between legs....again.
Mickey underestimated Derry that day, he butchered the team selection and I suppose the players thought they only had to turn up as they had the AI bagged only a few months earlier. Tyrone took a good beating but it was a considerably above average Derry team.
B Gillis; K McGuckin, K McCloy, F McEldowney; L Hinphey, P McFlynn, J O'Kane (0-01); J McBride (capt), J Diver; M Lynch, B McGoldrick, F Doherty; E Muldoon (1-03 (3f)), P Bradley (0-03 (1f)), E Bradley (0-01).
Pretty harsh verdict. Tyrone had massive injury problems that summer, the championship season was effectively a write off. Derry came with a game plan and a Tyrone side missing a few leaders didn't cope with it. Early red card didn't help matters.
I'm expecting a very tough game here. Tyrone are getting a lot of good press of late which is strange in itself in the context of media coverage of Tyrone the last few years. Like the negative coverage, some of this talk about Tyrone's progress is over the top. A lot to prove at this stage. Any kind of win in Celtic Park would be a good start.
Quote from: tyroneman on May 09, 2016, 08:17:33 PM
Quote from: tiempo on May 08, 2016, 11:02:54 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on May 07, 2016, 06:28:11 PM
Tyrone walked into Healy park as AI champions and got humiliated by an average Derry side. I would never take a win over Derry as a forgone conclusion.
Every chance we come out of Celtic park with tails between legs....again.
Mickey underestimated Derry that day, he butchered the team selection and I suppose the players thought they only had to turn up as they had the AI bagged only a few months earlier. Tyrone took a good beating but it was a considerably above average Derry team.
B Gillis; K McGuckin, K McCloy, F McEldowney; L Hinphey, P McFlynn, J O'Kane (0-01); J McBride (capt), J Diver; M Lynch, B McGoldrick, F Doherty; E Muldoon (1-03 (3f)), P Bradley (0-03 (1f)), E Bradley (0-01).
I know Hub getting sent off for trying to stand up for Mulgrew (who was getting bullied out of it)also didn't help but we were still a better team than Derry that year.
That's a nice little misdirection there. I'm sure Hughes got sent off for giving Hinphey a punch in the
guts right in front of the linesman.
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24 years ago today since Plunkett called "My ball" as a 45 dropped into the Tyrone square.
Was a fine day!!! We played them in the Championship the week or two after and beat them easily again as well. Peter the 'great unless I'm marking McKeever' Canavan!
Christ, he was still Under 21 at that stage. The next couple of times he came up against McKeever in the championship would have been a fairer reflection.
Derry wans always had that notion about McKeever, so this must the match that they dreamed it up from, it seemed to persist despite Canavan taking McKeever to the cleaners on numerous occasions most notably 1995. Incidentally I came across this little gem from screenexile on that same match
Quote from: screenexile on November 11, 2008, 11:25:22 PM
Why anyone would want to watch that game is beyond me... what Tyrone did that day was a blight on the GAA and was the beginning of 'puke football' imo. An absolute joke. One lad came to play football and the rest to fcuk about. Thank God they were denied the most undeserved All Ireland of all time and I wasn't too unhappy to see Meath teach them a lesson the year after!
That's a gem. Beautiful capture of a tortured mind, stored on the Internet for all time. Super!
Quote from: rrhf on May 11, 2016, 07:21:27 AM
That's a gem. Beautiful capture of a tortured mind, stored on the Internet for all time. Super!
I think someone who trawls back 8 years to find a post is a hell of a lot more tortured in my opinion.
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Quote from: rrhf on May 11, 2016, 07:21:27 AM
That's a gem. Beautiful capture of a tortured mind, stored on the Internet for all time. Super!
I think someone who trawls back 8 years to find a post is a hell of a lot more tortured in my opinion.
Pissed myself laughing reading that.
I remember being in Canavan's company one day when his brother Pascal took us a few years back, and he said that Mc Keever was easily the toughest opponent he ever played against
Canavan scored 1-2 in the league final,0-8(3 from play)in the 95 semi final and also got a goal in Clones the following year.I think he may have scored a goal in the 95 league semi final,though I'm not sure on that.But there's no doubt that over the years McKeever was able to hold him very well.
What did poor Justy do to warrant a response like this on the Derry Club thread?
For years a few of us have been saying how Justy and Joey are far too nice of lads to make good defenders and I've noticed a few years ago a change in Justy's attitude. His man marking against Murphy last year was amazing although not pretty to watch for the neutral. He's far from a dirty player and a total gentleman off the pitch.
Lowintothewind
Re: Derry Club football and Hurling
« Reply #55306 on: May 10, 2016, 12:45:11 PM »
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Going by the reports in yesterdays IN, I for one hope that Justin McMahon isn't playing against Derry. He looks to be one of the most antagonizing hoo** to set foot on a gaelic pitch with all his fist pumping, in your face bravado on turnovers etc... Oh how you would love to fill his face!!
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 11, 2016, 11:36:22 AM
What did poor Justy do to warrant a response like this on the Derry Club thread?
For years a few of us have been saying how Justy and Joey are far too nice of lads to make good defenders and I've noticed a few years ago a change in Justy's attitude. His man marking against Murphy last year was amazing although not pretty to watch for the neutral. He's far from a dirty player and a total gentleman off the pitch[/b].
Lowintothewind
Re: Derry Club football and Hurling
« Reply #55306 on: May 10, 2016, 12:45:11 PM »
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Going by the reports in yesterdays IN, I for one hope that Justin McMahon isn't playing against Derry. He looks to be one of the most antagonizing hoo** to set foot on a gaelic pitch with all his fist pumping, in your face bravado on turnovers etc... Oh how you would love to fill his face!!
Jesus I hate reading dung like that!!
Quote from: shawshank on May 11, 2016, 11:14:04 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 11, 2016, 09:55:13 AM
Quote from: rrhf on May 11, 2016, 07:21:27 AM
That's a gem. Beautiful capture of a tortured mind, stored on the Internet for all time. Super!
I think someone who trawls back 8 years to find a post is a hell of a lot more tortured in my opinion.
Pissed myself laughing reading that.
I remember being in Canavan's company one day when his brother Pascal took us a few years back, and he said that Mc Keever was easily the toughest opponent he ever played against
I've yet to see anyone point out a fault in that statement...
I'm more worried about the fact I've been posting on here for over 8 years!! :o :o
Quote from: screenexile on May 11, 2016, 12:26:07 PM
Quote from: shawshank on May 11, 2016, 11:14:04 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 11, 2016, 09:55:13 AM
Quote from: rrhf on May 11, 2016, 07:21:27 AM
That's a gem. Beautiful capture of a tortured mind, stored on the Internet for all time. Super!
I think someone who trawls back 8 years to find a post is a hell of a lot more tortured in my opinion.
Pissed myself laughing reading that.
I remember being in Canavan's company one day when his brother Pascal took us a few years back, and he said that Mc Keever was easily the toughest opponent he ever played against
I've yet to see anyone point out a fault in that statement...
I'm more worried about the fact I've been posting on here for over 8 years!! :o :o
What are the ticket options for this game? Do we have to get them through the club or can we buy in supervalu or shops like with the league? I know they're available online with a postal charge and that might be the easiest option.
Quote from: lenny on May 11, 2016, 09:31:02 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 11, 2016, 12:26:07 PM
Quote from: shawshank on May 11, 2016, 11:14:04 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 11, 2016, 09:55:13 AM
Quote from: rrhf on May 11, 2016, 07:21:27 AM
That's a gem. Beautiful capture of a tortured mind, stored on the Internet for all time. Super!
I think someone who trawls back 8 years to find a post is a hell of a lot more tortured in my opinion.
Pissed myself laughing reading that.
I remember being in Canavan's company one day when his brother Pascal took us a few years back, and he said that Mc Keever was easily the toughest opponent he ever played against
I've yet to see anyone point out a fault in that statement...
I'm more worried about the fact I've been posting on here for over 8 years!! :o :o
What are the ticket options for this game? Do we have to get them through the club or can we buy in supervalu or shops like with the league? I know they're available online with a postal charge and that might be the easiest option.
A few quid off terrace if you buy in Supervalu Lenny
2 adult 2 juvenile £34 in super valu for Brandywell stand. Got the impression juvenile tickets where for that stand maybe its not like that.
Does anybody know whether there are tickets still available or where I could get them (Supervalu maybe?). Online seems to be sold out.
Ta
Any advice on parking, maybe a pint before the game. Dont mind a stroll myself. Aware there isnt much around celtic park, havnt been there since a league game in 2008
any tips or pre game rituals from the locals most welcome ;D
Online tickets back up for Brandywell/Bluebell Terrace. Yeah wheres good for pints before the match??
Would anyone have a seating plan for covered stand? Got my season ticket and if it isn't in a great place I would prefer to go to the Terrace and stand.
Quote from: The Bearded One on May 16, 2016, 01:39:43 PM
Would anyone have a seating plan for covered stand? Got my season ticket and if it isn't in a great place I would prefer to go to the Terrace and stand.
i know what you mean bearded one..a seat in the corner is a balls compared a decent spot on the terrace. PM or put up your seat details and I'll let you know where
Simon Brady :P :P :P :P
Paddy Bradley flying in training apparently.
Muldoon and Tohill had a great battle at midfield yesterday too
Is Eoin Bradley back with Derry?
Really looking forward to this game, to me Tyrone should win but Derry def have a decent chance especially playing at home. Tyrone are decent but not as good as many people are talking them up (2-3 years away from that) Derry are better than they have showed so far this year so really interesting to see how it pans out...What about a draw? If i got a free bet on the match i'd go with Tyrone by 2pts other than that i've no real preference on who wins
If (some would say when) Tyrone win that's 5 victories in a row this season, isn't it ? Surely has to be some sort of record as most victories in the one season between them ?
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on May 17, 2016, 11:33:54 AM
If (some would say when) Tyrone win that's 5 victories in a row this season, isn't it ? Surely has to be some sort of record as most victories in the one season between them ?
5 defeats in one season? Theyd never live it down. It would be like the time we beat them with 13 men ;D
This must be the "Drive to five" the Derry wans were talking about earlier in the season.
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This must be the "Drive to five" the Derry Tyrone wans were talking about earlier in the season.
Quote from: God14 on May 17, 2016, 12:46:24 PM
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on May 17, 2016, 11:33:54 AM
If (some would say when) Tyrone win that's 5 victories in a row this season, isn't it ? Surely has to be some sort of record as most victories in the one season between them ?
5 defeats in one season? Theyd never live it down. It would be like the time we beat them with 13 men ;D
Correction, 15 men!
Very strange the inferiority complex Tyrone supporters seem to have with regard to Derry... not strange actually very amusing!
We have possibly our worst team since the early 80s, and Tyrone have their best team since 2008 yet all any Tyrone man I speak to can say is "Aye but it's Celtic Park and it's Derry it's not going to be that simple".
My own opinion is that we'll do well to keep it within double figures. Don't get me wrong I love Derry and I wish the lads the best of luck and I'll eat humble pie should it happen but I just don't think we have the players to compete at the level Tyrone are currently operating at!
I hope I'm wrong!!
Quote from: screenexile on May 17, 2016, 02:14:57 PM
Very strange the inferiority complex Tyrone supporters seem to have with regard to Derry... not strange actually very amusing!
We have possibly our worst team since the early 80s, and Tyrone have their best team since 2008 yet all any Tyrone man I speak to can say is "Aye but it's Celtic Park and it's Derry it's not going to be that simple".
My own opinion is that we'll do well to keep it within double figures. Don't get me wrong I love Derry and I wish the lads the best of luck and I'll eat humble pie should it happen but I just don't think we have the players to compete at the level Tyrone are currently operating at!
I hope I'm wrong!!
This Tyrone team coming out of Division 2 may be a bit overhyped though. Through back door last year only decent team they met was Monaghan and rain was a leveler against Kerry... good enough but not as good as being made out in some quarters
Quote from: screenexile on May 17, 2016, 02:14:57 PM
Very strange the inferiority complex Tyrone supporters seem to have with regard to Derry... not strange actually very amusing!
We have possibly our worst team since the early 80s, and Tyrone have their best team since 2008 yet all any Tyrone man I speak to can say is "Aye but it's Celtic Park and it's Derry it's not going to be that simple".
My own opinion is that we'll do well to keep it within double figures. Don't get me wrong I love Derry and I wish the lads the best of luck and I'll eat humble pie should it happen but I just don't think we have the players to compete at the level Tyrone are currently operating at!
I hope I'm wrong!!
You ran us very close last year when, but for three or four unbelievable long distance scores from Murphy and McElhinney, you might have won. I know Tyrone have improved since then while we were on the downward slope, but double figures?? Derry can't have regressed THAT much?!
Each set of fans will talk down their teams chances, so as a total neutral i expect Tyrone to win by 2pts. A 2pt win away to your rivals in the Championship is a good won (sorry Derry couldn't resist that) win and i'm certain all Tyrone wans (Sorry Tyrone couldn't resist that) would take that.
Quote from: J70 on May 17, 2016, 02:23:51 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 17, 2016, 02:14:57 PM
Very strange the inferiority complex Tyrone supporters seem to have with regard to Derry... not strange actually very amusing!
We have possibly our worst team since the early 80s, and Tyrone have their best team since 2008 yet all any Tyrone man I speak to can say is "Aye but it's Celtic Park and it's Derry it's not going to be that simple".
My own opinion is that we'll do well to keep it within double figures. Don't get me wrong I love Derry and I wish the lads the best of luck and I'll eat humble pie should it happen but I just don't think we have the players to compete at the level Tyrone are currently operating at!
I hope I'm wrong!!
You ran us very close last year when, but for three or four unbelievable long distance scores from Murphy and McElhinney, you might have won. I know Tyrone have improved since then while we were on the downward slope, but double figures?? Derry can't have regressed THAT much?!
From last year's team we're missing Dermot McBride, Kevin Johnston, Holly, Doherty (Our entire Midfield), Enda Lynn, Skinner, Cailean O'Boyle. . . The subs that came on against Donegal Benny Heron is out, Loughlin injured and O'Brien opted off the panel which is a lot to be missing from a team that didn't perform fantastically last year anyway!!!
Don't get me wrong I'm not saying Tyrone will win the All Ireland but they have Monaghan's number and I would fancy them if they were to play Donegal again but Kerry, Dublin, Mayo would beat them on any day.
Quote from: screenexile on May 17, 2016, 03:18:19 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 17, 2016, 02:23:51 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 17, 2016, 02:14:57 PM
Very strange the inferiority complex Tyrone supporters seem to have with regard to Derry... not strange actually very amusing!
We have possibly our worst team since the early 80s, and Tyrone have their best team since 2008 yet all any Tyrone man I speak to can say is "Aye but it's Celtic Park and it's Derry it's not going to be that simple".
My own opinion is that we'll do well to keep it within double figures. Don't get me wrong I love Derry and I wish the lads the best of luck and I'll eat humble pie should it happen but I just don't think we have the players to compete at the level Tyrone are currently operating at!
I hope I'm wrong!!
You ran us very close last year when, but for three or four unbelievable long distance scores from Murphy and McElhinney, you might have won. I know Tyrone have improved since then while we were on the downward slope, but double figures?? Derry can't have regressed THAT much?!
From last year's team we're missing Dermot McBride, Kevin Johnston, Holly, Doherty (Our entire Midfield), Enda Lynn, Skinner, Cailean O'Boyle. . . The subs that came on against Donegal Benny Heron is out, Loughlin injured and O'Brien opted off the panel which is a lot to be missing from a team that didn't perform fantastically last year anyway!!!
Don't get me wrong I'm not saying Tyrone will win the All Ireland but they have Monaghan's number and I would fancy them if they were to play Donegal again but Kerry, Dublin, Mayo would beat them on any day.
From what I've heard, McBride and Johnston are expected to be in contention as is Holly. What's up with Cailean O'Boyle?
You also have a number of players back this year that didn't take any real part in Championship last year - McKinless, Kielt, Emmet Bradley and a few others so less of the poor mouthing.
We'll give Mayo and Kerry their fill of it on any day, if we had taken our chances last year against Kerry and had key decisions been called correctly we would have beaten Kerry. Style wise we are all wrong for Kerry and given the age profiles of our squad and Kerry's one side is going on an upward curve and another is going on a downward curve.
Screen, that inferiority complex you have regarding Tyrone is amusing.Quit your oul bluffing,you know rightly Derry are going to win this game.
Derry have nothing to lose so will surely try to rough up our young team and see what they're made off.
If they let us play ball like Cavan did in the league final then Tyrone will win. I expect a rough and tumble game where Tyrone could suffer from having no more tough players left from yesteryear.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 17, 2016, 04:03:27 PM
Derry have nothing to lose so will surely try to rough up our young team and see what they're made off.
If they let us play ball like Cavan did in the league final then Tyrone will win. I expect a rough and tumble game where Tyrone could suffer from having no more tough players left from yesteryear.
we have a winner (with a very short memory) !
Hard to see this being anything but competitive and very physical despite the usual negativity from Derry supporters. Barton had the Derry players very fired up for Tyrone back in January so can only imagine what it'll be like for a home championship game. Our record in celtic park also can't be ignored, always been a tough place for Tyrone to go. Having said that I'm hoping Tyrones extra bit of quality will carry us through provided the players keep their heads.
Can't see many changes from the league final. Mccurry may come in for Bradley and r Donnelly for Sludden. One other potential change could be Sludden to half back if justy out.
Ye's are in rude health if Richie Donnelly doesn't make your first 15!
I'd have question marks over Richie's pace and ability to fit into mickeys system of run, run run..yes he's a big physical player and can kick a point but......
Quote from: Onthe40 on May 17, 2016, 10:27:24 PM
I'd have question marks over Richie's pace and ability to fit into mickeys system of run, run run..yes he's a big physical player and can kick a point but......
Totally disagree - Richie more than capable of playing the system. He can run all day long and has been doing it for last 12 months. Will be surprised if he doesn't start but MH championship teams are almost impossible to predict.
Quote from: Onthe40 on May 17, 2016, 10:27:24 PM
I'd have question marks over Richie's pace and ability to fit into mickeys system of run, run run..yes he's a big physical player and can kick a point but......
there's no room in the modern game for big men that can kick points, that Dublin team is tiny sure
Derry going poor as long as i can remember, simply disorganized at the back and no midfield, Connor Murphy should been tried there from the start of the league, Derry goalkeeper gives away too many points with his kick outs, the 2 best forwards in Derry are still the 2 Bradleys and they haven't been about awhile, the team actually looked unfit during the league so it hard to see how they will have made up the fitness difference in 6 weeks. The best Derry team will not be on the pitch on sunday, and there record at celtic park since 2010 is simply shocking, Tyrone likely to win pulling up but you never know, 1 offs occasional happen.
What about pre match pints-wheres decent?
Quote from: tiempo on May 17, 2016, 10:46:25 PM
Quote from: Onthe40 on May 17, 2016, 10:27:24 PM
I'd have question marks over Richie's pace and ability to fit into mickeys system of run, run run..yes he's a big physical player and can kick a point but......
there's no room in the modern game for big men that can kick points, that Dublin team is tiny sure
Derry have a couple of these players... I would imagine they will be picked up by McCann and Brennan and spend their time chasing in their wake as they surge up the field time and again...until the big men run out of steam....complete carnage
Try the bluebell, there Mary B beside the pitch but it small and fills fairly quick, Celtic bar wouldn't drink it in unless you stuck lol
Lads is Rory Brennan injured?
I have heard he has done the hamstring
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 18, 2016, 11:38:09 AM
Quote from: tiempo on May 17, 2016, 10:46:25 PM
Quote from: Onthe40 on May 17, 2016, 10:27:24 PM
I'd have question marks over Richie's pace and ability to fit into mickeys system of run, run run..yes he's a big physical player and can kick a point but......
there's no room in the modern game for big men that can kick points, that Dublin team is tiny sure
Derry have a couple of these players... I would imagine they will be picked up by McCann and Brennan and spend their time chasing in their wake as they surge up the field time and again...until the big men run out of steam....complete carnage
thank christ Damian and Brian are picking the team and not yourself !
I've been patiently waiting for my 666th post since the day I signed up to this board. I am hoping some black magic can come from it and benefit the Oak Leaf County.
With this post I would like to call upon the dark forces of Black Magic, Witchcraft and general skulduggery to forget about their gaelic team of choice, Tyrone, who they have long been associated with (think of Cavanagh's cynically hauling down Conor McManus in the All Ireland quarter final of 2013, the subsequent birth of the black card, Peter "The Average" and all his referee deceiving trickery and probably the most evil of all things Tyrone ........ RICEY) and come over to the bright side and get behind Derry who could do with all the help they can get.
I would say to the dark side, put your powers to good use ... look at Game of Thrones and that aul witch bringing Jon Snow back from the dead to fight the good fight.
Surely you have got all the kicks you can out of the evilness of Tyrone and need a new project to invest in ... you would be made most welcome to start your new project this Sunday.
Doire abu ;)
You're wasting your time Atticus.
The devil is a Throne man through and through.
Where do you think they got the red hand from.
Right, cutting out all the bullshit - Tyrone to win this by at least 8 points!
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 18, 2016, 03:32:16 PM
Right, cutting out all the bullshit - Tyrone to win this by at least 8 points!
Fair play for at least one of you having a set of balls!!
Quote from: screenexile on May 18, 2016, 03:46:40 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 18, 2016, 03:32:16 PM
Right, cutting out all the bullshit - Tyrone to win this by at least 8 points!
Fair play for at least one of you having a set of balls!!
Weather forecast isn't looking good so could see this turning into a low-scoring, tight, niggly affair
Surely Derry will come out fired up but hopefully once the initial storm is weathered & the game settles down Tyrone's better balanced team & system will win through - Tyrone by 4 :)
Quote from: screenexile on May 18, 2016, 03:46:40 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 18, 2016, 03:32:16 PM
Right, cutting out all the bullshit - Tyrone to win this by at least 8 points!
Fair play for at least one of you having a set of balls!!
I'd be interested to see the stats of how many games in Ulster have been won by this margin in the past 10 years - guarantee it would be under 10%. I think we (Tyrone) will win on Sunday but I think it'll be by 3 points maximum. Derry will be massively up for the game, and i see the forecast for Sunday is for rain. A wet day on a tight pitch like Celtic Park would be a big leveller.
Looking at Laois' performance v Wicklow at the weekend I think that would support the argument that Tyrone have been overhyped this year bearing in mind we had a tough enough time beating Laois in the league. Also, alot of the praise for Tyrone has centered around our pace, fitness and running game, alot of which stems from the half back line. Rory Brennan and Tiernan McCann are both carrying hamstring injuries into this game - it'll be interested to see if they both play and if this has any effect.
Another strength of Tyrone's this year is the sweeper system where Colm Cav and Justy Mc have excelled. Justy Mc is also a doubt for this game. If he doesn't play this would have a big impact bearing in mind the physicality he brings which we could do with against the likes of Emmet McGuckin/ Ryan Bell and Derry's fondness for the high ball.
As always in the Ulster Championship, the winner will need to be accurate from placed balls. Ronan O'Neill has been relatively successful in this regard this year for Tyrone from the right side, although he has still missed a few and this type of occassion will be a test of his nerve. Regarding our left hand free takers - Mark Bradley had a poor day on them on the League final while McCurry has form for missing his fair share on the big days. Think Derry have the advantage in this regard with Kielt, Bell and Lynch.
This being said, I still reckon Tyrone will win but we should be very wary of an amush and talk of Derry getting a hammering is ridiculous considering the nature of the Ulster Championship and the history of this fixture
Last time Tyrone won at Celtic Park?
We've never beaten Derry in Celtic Park.
It's a trap!!!
Definitely sounds like it.
Think Tyrone will win this one alright, maybe not a stuffing but unfortunately you don't need to be stuffing Derry without it feeling like it. Think Donegal last year, 3 points in it, a kick of a ball, and if you covered the score line the way Derry were playing you would swear we were getting hammered by 15 points. A lack of belief and 'get beat by as little as possible' seems to be our approach to the bigger teams.
Tight first half followed by Tyrone upping it a gear (into 3rd) - Tyrone by 5
Quote from: Club Rossa on May 18, 2016, 10:06:17 PM
We've never beaten Derry in Celtic Park.
Is that right? I was trying to think of a time we did the other night and couldnt.
Is that league and championship?
Yeah,only played them once there in cship,1992.In the league we've lost there in 47,91,97,08,10 and 11 with a draw in 2014.Most of the other away games were either in Magherafelt or Ballinascreen.My records show that we beat them in Derry in 1931 but not sure if it was Celtic Park or another venue.
Full house I hear!
Tyrone by 2, in a very niggly game, 2 red 4 black !
Has anybody any leaks from the camp on possible team selection.
Is the talk about Brennan and McCann injuries true or are they training as usual?
It will be interesting to see how Derry approach the game tactically? Do they push up on our kickouts and play a more attack minded game or try to beat us at our own game.
Certainly the excitement that there used to be before a championship game between these two seem to be lacking with no real outstanding forwards on either team now and its all about a hard working, running possession game although Tyrone have still been putting up decent high scores so far this year in some games.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 19, 2016, 12:05:05 PM
Has anybody any leaks from the camp on possible team selection.
Is the talk about Brennan and McCann injuries true or are they training as usual?
It will be interesting to see how Derry approach the game tactically? Do they push up on our kickouts and play a more attack minded game or try to beat us at our own game.
Certainly the excitement that there used to be before a championship game between these two seem to be lacking with no real outstanding forwards on either team now and its all about a hard working, running possession game although Tyrone have still been putting up decent high scores so far this year in some games.
I believe McCann took part in an in-house game at the weekend so he should be fine. I think Brennan is the bigger doubt so will be interesting to see if he's named in the team tonight. Mickey has traditionally not named a false team before the first game of the Cship although he did make 2 or 3 changes before the throw-in last year v Donegal.
Regarding the lack of top class forwards on show - I'd be hopeful that this weekend could be when McAliskey announces himself on the big stage. He was on fire v Cavan in the league final, he's a big strong lad with an eye for goal and he's more than capable of hitting 3 or 4 points from play any day he goes out.
I think McAliskey announced himself a good few years ago and sometimes looks amazing but then other days he struggles to get into the game, especially when well marked or is isolated. He certainly seems to be our main hope with expectation around McCurry falling away lately. Ronan O'Neill still has the class and if he can continue to increase his work rate and move the ball that wee bit faster I think can be a great asset to this team.
Sean at FF doesn't seem to be setting the world on fire in the way O'Shea was last year for Mayo. Maybe its cos we are much less likely to kick the ball in to him as we've so many other forwards back in defence.
O Neill
Mc Rory
Mc Namee
Mc Carron
T Mc Cann
P Harte
B Teirney
Matty
Cav
Ritchie
Bradley
Sludden
RON
Cav
Mc Aliskey
Myler
Justy
Brennan x 2
If Justy and Rory Brennan are struggling with injury I would not be surprised to see Frank Burns given a baptism of fire at no 6.
il bomber dont think justy will miss out
Highly doubt frank will get start in such a crucial position on his debut. Hugh pat into the corner with aidy coming out, or else sludden coming straight in for who ever injured. Meyler to start for me instead of sludden
Apparently Meyler a significant doubt for Sunday.
Quote from: redzone on May 19, 2016, 06:28:47 PM
Highly doubt frank will get start in such a crucial position on his debut. Hugh pat into the corner with aidy coming out, or else sludden coming straight in for who ever injured. Meyler to start for me instead of sludden
Mickey doesn't have any qualms about throwing young lads in at the deep end.
Sludden in at 6, Richie Donnelly and McShane at 10 and 12.
Big physical team..
No Morgan
Quote from: cadhlancian on May 19, 2016, 09:30:19 PM
Sludden in at 6, Richie Donnelly and McShane at 10 and 12.
Big physical team..
No Morgan
Justy & Rory big losses if not fit. Hard to see McShane starting when he's hardly had a look-in during the league. More likely Mickey will start someone like Tierney or McGeary
Would be very surprised if Mickey starts with that side.
The usual curveballs.
Tyrone never won in Derry City hi, Derry due a win.
Am I right in saying no one can be added last minute now with the rule change- once you name the panel that's it yeah?
Quote from: Under Lights on May 19, 2016, 09:51:45 PM
Am I right in saying no one can be added last minute now with the rule change- once you name the panel that's it yeah?
If someone gets injured in the warm-up i'd say you could add 1 to your published team list
Justy is the biggest loss for us there, Derry have quite a few big lads like McGuckin, Kielt, Lynch, Bell and O'Boyle in their forward line so we will badly miss his aerial presence.
Big chance for the likes of Sludden, O'Neill, McShane and Richie Donnelly.
McCurry off the boil?
This fixture is not what it once was, what it was in 84, 85, 86, 91, 92, 95, 96 or 97. The back door has diluted it. The last really full bloodied one was 01, though '06 was more than decent.
Tyrone will win comfortably enough, but they have bigger fish to fry. Anything lees than last four could well see the end of the Harte era. As for ourselves, we can only hope that our me survive intact and the referee provides suitable protection from the Tyrone hallions.
The full list:
Dáta: 22 Bealtaine 2016 @ 2.00pm
Championship appearances in brackets
1 – Michael O'Neill – Cluain Eo – 16 Appearances (3)
2 – Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin – 80 Appearances (18)
3 – Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uà Aráin – 51 Appearances (12)
4 – Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mór – 82 Appearances (20)
5 – Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair – 39 Appearances (8 )
6 – Nial Sludden – An Droim Mór – 12 Appearances *Yet to make SFC Debut
7 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin – 99 Appearances (32)
8 – Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh – 118 Appearances (43)
9 – Matthew Donnelly – Trà Leac – 77 Appearances (23)
10 – Cathal McShane – Eoghan Ruadh Uà Néill – 14 Appearances (3)
11 – Mark Bradley – Coill an Chlochair – 20 Appearances (7)
12 – Richard Donnelly – Trà Leac – 13 Appearances (3)
13 – Connor McAliskey – Cluain Eo – 55 Appearances (16)
14 – Sean Cavanagh (c) – An Mhaigh – 220 Appearances (79)
15 – Ronan O'Neill – An Omaigh – 51 Appearances (11)
16 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc – 48 Appearances (11)
17 – Lee Brennan – Trà Leac – 7 Appearances *Yet to make SFC Debut
18 – Frank Burns – Cabhán a'Chaortainn – 1 Appearance *Yet to make SFC Debut
19 – Pádraig Hampsey – Oileán a'Ghuail – 6 Appearances *Yet to make SFC Debut
20 – Conall McCann – Coill an Chochair – 20 Appearances (4)
21 – Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc – 56 Appearances (20)
22 – Kieran McGeary – Cabhán a'Chaortainn – 9 Appearances *Yet to make SFC Debut
23 – Padraig McNulty – Dún Geanainn – 27 Appearances (5)
24 – David Mulgrew – Ard Bó – 2 Appearances *Yet to make SFC Debut
25 – Jonathan Monroe – An Charraig Mhór – 8 Appearances *Yet to make SFC Debut
26 – Barry Tierney – An Omaigh – 34 Appearances (7)
Bainisteoir – Mickey Harte
There are 2 changes in personnel from the team that defeated Cavan in the Allianz League Division 2 Final.
Cathal McShane & Richard Donnelly come into the half forward line, while Niall Sludden & Peter Harte revert to defence with the injured pair of Rory Brennan AND Justin McMahon dropping out.
Niall Sludden will make his Senior Championship debut.
Sean Cavanagh will be on 226 appearances if he lifts Sam Maguire by the front door the year.
Quote from: Club Rossa on May 19, 2016, 09:45:07 PM
Would be very surprised if Mickey starts with that side.
To be honest I don't see who would improve that team much from the bench really
Good job I didn't pick Morgan in my FF team!
Derry knocked Tyrone on their arse in the championship 25 years ago. Will the same fate await Tyrone on Sunday?
thats one poor half forward line. mcshane ???. not too many scores in them 3 re championship.
McShane starred at midfield on an u21 team that won the all Ireland last year. It's typical of Tyrone supporters to try to write a player off very quickly before they get a chance to establish themselves on the seniors. He's very athletic and can take a score. Whether its going to take another year or two for him to get fully up to senior inter county speed I don't know but he's well worth a go. Would imagine that team will start though there'll probably be quite a few positional changes.
As neither Rory or Justy are in the 26 that means they are definitely out. The bench suddenly looks a little threadbare too! Coupled with the weather forecast my optimism levels are beginning to drop >:(
Derry team?
Quote from: sambostar on May 20, 2016, 08:06:02 AM
As neither Rory or Justy are in the 26 that means they are definitely out. The bench suddenly looks a little threadbare too! Coupled with the weather forecast my optimism levels are beginning to drop >:(
Losing Justy, Joe, Brennan and McNabb obviously leaves the bench a lot weaker. Though still some decent players there who can make an impact. McCurry will be a great sub to throw into the forward line. Hampsey, McGeary, L Brenna and Burns are all good players though lack experience. It sounds like scattered showers on Sunday so hopefully won't be too bad.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 20, 2016, 08:26:14 AM
Quote from: sambostar on May 20, 2016, 08:06:02 AM
As neither Rory or Justy are in the 26 that means they are definitely out. The bench suddenly looks a little threadbare too! Coupled with the weather forecast my optimism levels are beginning to drop >:(
Losing Justy, Joe, Brennan and McNabb obviously leaves the bench a lot weaker. Though still some decent players there who can make an impact. McCurry will be a great sub to throw into the forward line. Hampsey, McGeary, L Brenna and Burns are all good players though lack experience. It sounds like scattered showers on Sunday so hopefully won't be too bad.
Meyler and Hugh Pat too - it's a big enough injury list when you think about it.
Surprised at McShanes inclusion since he didn't feature at all in the League final even though we made 5 subs, assuming he has been impressing in training. His inclusion also suddenly makes it a very attacking side when you consider the three half backs are all attack minded and Sludden and Harte would usually be classed as forwards. I probably would have expected Kieran McGeary or Barry Tierny to be named in the half back line with Sludden at half forward.
Assuming Sludden would be the one who will be expected to sit in front of the full back line in the Justy role - it'll be interesting to see how that goes as I'm not sure he's played this role for us so far this year.
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 20, 2016, 09:29:22 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 20, 2016, 08:26:14 AM
Quote from: sambostar on May 20, 2016, 08:06:02 AM
As neither Rory or Justy are in the 26 that means they are definitely out. The bench suddenly looks a little threadbare too! Coupled with the weather forecast my optimism levels are beginning to drop >:(
Losing Justy, Joe, Brennan and McNabb obviously leaves the bench a lot weaker. Though still some decent players there who can make an impact. McCurry will be a great sub to throw into the forward line. Hampsey, McGeary, L Brenna and Burns are all good players though lack experience. It sounds like scattered showers on Sunday so hopefully won't be too bad.
Meyler and Hugh Pat too - it's a big enough injury list when you think about it.
Surprised at McShanes inclusion since he didn't feature at all in the League final even though we made 5 subs, assuming he has been impressing in training. His inclusion also suddenly makes it a very attacking side when you consider the three half backs are all attack minded and Sludden and Harte would usually be classed as forwards. I probably would have expected Kieran McGeary or Barry Tierny to be named in the half back line with Sludden at half forward.
Assuming Sludden would be the one who will be expected to sit in front of the full back line in the Justy role - it'll be interesting to see how that goes as I'm not sure he's played this role for us so far this year.
Colly Cavanagh with McShane helping out in midfield
Quote from: Under Lights on May 20, 2016, 10:04:44 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 20, 2016, 09:29:22 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 20, 2016, 08:26:14 AM
Quote from: sambostar on May 20, 2016, 08:06:02 AM
As neither Rory or Justy are in the 26 that means they are definitely out. The bench suddenly looks a little threadbare too! Coupled with the weather forecast my optimism levels are beginning to drop >:(
Losing Justy, Joe, Brennan and McNabb obviously leaves the bench a lot weaker. Though still some decent players there who can make an impact. McCurry will be a great sub to throw into the forward line. Hampsey, McGeary, L Brenna and Burns are all good players though lack experience. It sounds like scattered showers on Sunday so hopefully won't be too bad.
Meyler and Hugh Pat too - it's a big enough injury list when you think about it.
Surprised at McShanes inclusion since he didn't feature at all in the League final even though we made 5 subs, assuming he has been impressing in training. His inclusion also suddenly makes it a very attacking side when you consider the three half backs are all attack minded and Sludden and Harte would usually be classed as forwards. I probably would have expected Kieran McGeary or Barry Tierny to be named in the half back line with Sludden at half forward.
Assuming Sludden would be the one who will be expected to sit in front of the full back line in the Justy role - it'll be interesting to see how that goes as I'm not sure he's played this role for us so far this year.
Colly Cavanagh with McShane helping out in midfield
Colly Cav and Justy were both covering the full back line in the league final
Mark Bradley certainly seems to have become a regular starter in this Tyrone team.
Do people think CHF is his best position?
I'd like to see him get on the score sheet a bit more as he seems to miss a good few easy shots in the matches I've saw.
I presume the attitude is that he is much more mobile and works harder than Ronan O'Neill who is better suited staying in near the goals.
Sludden also seems to have bypassed a few of his U-21 colleagues and played his way into the team.
I think McShane is a fine player but it just hasn't happened for him yet at senior level. He had a very tough debut away to Donegal up against that Donegal defence.
https://hisurr.wordpress.com/2016/05/19/with-enemies-like-this-who-needs-friends-suffering-from-the-dts/
Interesting words from Peter Canavan about how he viewed the Derry rivalry.
Peter Canavan: Strange things can happen in rivalry that's full of spite - From Irish Indo
On all-known form over the past 12 months, there should only be one winner and that should be Mickey Harte's men. But, bitter experience has taught me - as well as every Tyrone man, woman and child - that Derry must never, ever be taken for granted. Never!
From a personal point of view, games against Derry defined my career. That might seem a bit strange to people who saw Tyrone reach the pinnacle against Armagh and Kerry, but for me, it was the rough road travelled against Derry during the nineties that laid the groundwork. How rough was it? Well, it was damned brutal, being honest.
Local rivalry is what makes the GAA so special and there are plenty of famous 'derby' duels across the country: Mayo-Galway, Cork-Kerry, Dublin-Meath, Kilkenny-Tipp in hurling, etc. But, I don't think you get the level of venomous intensity anywhere else.
Some say it borders on naked hatred. To me, hate is too strong a word, but no question, it is full of spite. Why so? Probably something deep in the DNA, because there is no sweeter victory for a Tyrone footballer than one over Derry and I am sure that applies vice versa as well.
In my early days as a senior inter-county footballer, I yearned for the taste of that sweetness but all I got was the bitter tang of defeat. My first experience of Derry in Celtic Park was in the National League in February 1991 and it was a baptism of fire. The pace, for an early-season league game, was relentless and the hits were harder than I'd ever experienced before. Even for an old Tyrone hand like Damien O'Hagan, the physicality caught him on the hop - he had his jaw broken in an off-the-ball incident and a Derry victory rubbed salt into his wound.
And it was to get much worse. That May we crossed swords again, this time in Omagh in an Ulster quarter-final and I was fully convinced that revenge would be ours. Just a few weeks earlier, I had captained Tyrone to the county's first All-Ireland U-21 title. We beat Kerry in the final and I was man of the match after scoring two goals and a brace of points. The county was on a high, I was on cloud nine and - yes - so naive.
I'm not sure exactly how long I lasted, but it was the only time in my senior career that I was substituted for under-performing. Kieran McKeever marked me - hard but very fair - and I didn't get a kick. I was completely in his pocket and trooped off with my tail between my legs. Derry won by a point after a late goal from Damien Cassidy. But that was not the worst of Derry-inflicted heartbreak. That came in the following year's league final. We had a really good mix of old heads - the likes of John Lynch, Kevin McCabe, and Plunkett Donaghy from the '86 team - and exciting new talent from two All-Ireland U-21-winning teams, which made for a great buzz in the camp heading down to play in Croke Park. We felt at home and played some tremendous football that day. Ciaran Corr was on fire in the middle of the park and we led by three points with three minutes to go, but then it all came asunder.
Anthony Tohill floated in a '45 which Plunkett Donaghy and goalkeeper Finbarr McConnell both went to field and the ball ended up in the net. Two minutes later, Tohill curled over a point with his left boot and that was that. It was a sickener, made worse by the thought of having to travel to Celtic Park to play them in Ulster's preliminary round just weeks later. Looking back now, we hadn't recovered psychologically from the league final. Derry ended up winning by three points, but in truth they played us off the park.
In 1993, we were fallers at the first hurdle again, losing to Armagh after a replay. Derry, meanwhile, won the All-Ireland. We didn't dwell on that too much and there were positive signs the following summer. We got to the Ulster final and though we lost to Down, that run helped us hugely. We were learning more about the opposition and ourselves.
The summer of '95 began with a quarter-final win over Fermanagh, and from there we headed to Clones to face Derry like men possessed. In the pit of our stomachs was that nasty pain that we had got from being kicked in the solar plexus so many times by our neighbours. We had our fill of it.
Things didn't go to plan either, but this time we were ready for whatever was thrown at us. We had two men sent off in the first half - my brother Pascal was dismissed after an altercation with the current Derry manager, Damian Barton, and Seamie McCallan also got his marching orders.
At half-time we were three points down and those Tyrone supporters who hadn't left for home were venting their fury at referee Tommy McDermott as he ran off the field for what he thought was the sanctuary of his dressing-room.
But rumour has it that our manager Art McRory had left the dugout early and was already in there waiting for him. Art, in the only language he knew, let McDermott know what he thought of his first-half display before storming out and heading back to our dressing-room. (I'm still waiting on Art's version of how he lost his way to our dressing room in the first place.)
Derry had Fergal McCusker sent off in the second half and the momentum swung. We started to gobble up every 40-60 ball and went for the kill. After years of repression, we were overcome by a collective obsession. We willed ourselves to a one-point win and could feel the weight lift from our shoulders.
A corner had been turned, no question about it. We went on and won Ulster before losing that infamous '95 All-Ireland final to Dublin. But we bounced back and beat Derry in the Ulster semi-final the following year, despite yours truly getting sent off. Rather harshly I might add too!
I got sent off three times in my inter-county career - once against Armagh (which was later rescinded) and twice against Derry and it's the other incident in 2001 which should resonate for Tyrone this weekend.
We met Derry in the Ulster semi-final again in Clones and beat them by two points. The shoe was on the other foot...or so we thought. This was the first year of the 'back door' and having beaten Cavan in the Ulster final, we drew our old foes in the All-Ireland quarter-final.
However, in that Ulster semi-final, I had caught Paul McFlynn flush with a shoulder. He was one of Derry's key players, but he didn't see me coming and came to a shuddering halt. After treatment, he struggled to his feet and played on, but he might as well not have been on the pitch. I had got the Derry blood boiling and would pay with my own six weeks later.
St Tiernach's Park was again the venue and as the Derry bus reached the outskirts of Clones, Eamonn Coleman put on a video-tape of my clash with McFlynn. And he replayed it over and over, and over again. Before the players (and it was they who later told me) got off the bus, the Derry manager turned around and bellowed: "Are youse boys going to let that wee baldy bastard bully youse again?"
Coleman didn't have to wait long to get his answer and I soon realised that I had a bullseye on my back. Every Derry player wanted a piece of the action. No matter where I went, I had a Derry hand on me. I couldn't move, and I retaliated at the end of the first half. I saw red, and we saw the end of our championship. Derry won by five.
So, now 15 years later, we have an undercurrent to this Sunday's match in the wake of Tiernan McCann's tackle on Brendan Rodgers which saw the Derry midfielder having to leave the field in the opening seconds of this year's McKenna Cup final. The fires have been stoked since - not on a team bus mind you, but in public - and that's a dangerous tightrope for any manager to walk.
Derry have already lost to Tyrone four times this season - in the league, the McKenna Cup twice, and also the ó Fiaich Cup. They won't lack incentive but I feel they will need something extra special to bridge the gap. Tyrone are in tremendous physical condition, possess the better footballers and have a superior bench. All they need to do now is to learn the lessons of the past and keep their discipline.
Indo Sport
Never even got to 2006 the wee baldy b******* lol
Dont believe that 15 will start sunday mind games to keep derry guessing.
Quote from: Gonzalo15 on May 20, 2016, 10:45:08 AM
https://hisurr.wordpress.com/2016/05/19/with-enemies-like-this-who-needs-friends-suffering-from-the-dts/
Enjoyed reading that Gonzalo and brings back a lot of the memories of the 90's for me as a lad living very near the Derry border and having went to school in Derry with a lot of Derry pals at college.
I drove to the game in 1995 with another Tyrone lad and two Derry mates. It was some craic and is something I often tell the Dubs down here what they are lacking in their easy one sided games in Croker where there are no such feelings of excitement, nervousness, fear, spite, anger etc.
I loved his line where he said
"As much as I hate to admit it, as Derry fans our GAA experience is richer because of Tyrone's existence and if they didn't exist we'd probably have to invent them."
I don't know if the Tyrone v Armagh rivalry was ever as bitter or spiteful as they Derry one. Maybe it's cos they won a lot more Ulsters than us. Do others feel the same about Armagh as they do Derry?
Yeah there'd be the same feeling towards Armagh in the other side of the county - just depends where your from. From an overall county point of view the biggest rivals at any one time depends on who's doing well at the time. Like during the 00's the Armagh games were much bigger than one's v Derry. Whereas Derry were the big games in the 90s.
Tyrone Donegal would be a strong enough rivalry at the minute if Tyrone could continue to improve and meet them in an ulster final this year it would be a massive game. Long way away at the minute though!
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Never even got to 2006 the wee baldy b******* lol
He never mentioned 2002 or 2003, when he played Derry and won. He wasn't needed in 2004 though that's was one of Derry's better years.
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Enjoyed reading that Gonzalo and brings back a lot of the memories of the 90's for me as a lad living very near the Derry border and having went to school in Derry with a lot of Derry pals at college.
I drove to the game in 1995 with another Tyrone lad and two Derry mates. It was some craic and is something I often tell the Dubs down here what they are lacking in their easy one sided games in Croker where there are no such feelings of excitement, nervousness, fear, spite, anger etc.
I loved his line where he said
"As much as I hate to admit it, as Derry fans our GAA experience is richer because of Tyrone's existence and if they didn't exist we'd probably have to invent them."
I don't know if the Tyrone v Armagh rivalry was ever as bitter or spiteful as they Derry one. Maybe it's cos they won a lot more Ulsters than us. Do others feel the same about Armagh as they do Derry?
I think there was a bit more respect for Armagh than there ever was for Derry. I always felt Armagh pushed Tyrone on to be even better than they may have been. It was a healthy, two way, rivalry that lifted the bar for both counties. If Armagh beat Tyrone their sights were set on All Irelands, so the rivalry wasn't quite so insular. Derry however, were just happy to win a game against Tyrone, they dragged games down to their level. We were just happy to beat them and move on. Because of this it becomes a bit nasty as the game is/was everything to Derry! (Check out Champion the wonder horse's 10 greatest moments in sport :D) Even when Derry had their great (underachieving) team of the early nineties, I always got the impression it was all about beating Tyrone. I think we have long since moved on from this and its a one way thing these days. Tyrone will go into Sundays game without the crippling fear of defeat of previous generations and as such I feel will despatch Derry fairly clinically.
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Enjoyed reading that Gonzalo and brings back a lot of the memories of the 90's for me as a lad living very near the Derry border and having went to school in Derry with a lot of Derry pals at college.
I drove to the game in 1995 with another Tyrone lad and two Derry mates. It was some craic and is something I often tell the Dubs down here what they are lacking in their easy one sided games in Croker where there are no such feelings of excitement, nervousness, fear, spite, anger etc.
I loved his line where he said
"As much as I hate to admit it, as Derry fans our GAA experience is richer because of Tyrone's existence and if they didn't exist we'd probably have to invent them."
I don't know if the Tyrone v Armagh rivalry was ever as bitter or spiteful as they Derry one. Maybe it's cos they won a lot more Ulsters than us. Do others feel the same about Armagh as they do Derry?
I think there was a bit more respect for Armagh than there ever was for Derry. I always felt Armagh pushed Tyrone on to be even better than they may have been. It was a healthy, two way, rivalry that lifted the bar for both counties. If Armagh beat Tyrone their sights were set on All Irelands, so the rivalry wasn't quite so insular. Derry however, were just happy to win a game against Tyrone, they dragged games down to their level. We were just happy to beat them and move on. Because of this it becomes a bit nasty as the game is/was everything to Derry! (Check out Champion the wonder horse's 10 greatest moments in sport :D) Even when Derry had their great (underachieving) team of the early nineties, I always got the impression it was all about beating Tyrone. I think we have long since moved on from this and its a one way thing these days. Tyrone will go into Sundays game without the crippling fear of defeat of previous generations and as such I feel will despatch Derry fairly clinically.
Eh? There was Ulster Championship football before 2002. When Armagh beat Tyrone in '93, (as Canavan referenced in his article) I'm sure their sights were not on the All-Ireland.
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Enjoyed reading that Gonzalo and brings back a lot of the memories of the 90's for me as a lad living very near the Derry border and having went to school in Derry with a lot of Derry pals at college.
I drove to the game in 1995 with another Tyrone lad and two Derry mates. It was some craic and is something I often tell the Dubs down here what they are lacking in their easy one sided games in Croker where there are no such feelings of excitement, nervousness, fear, spite, anger etc.
I loved his line where he said
"As much as I hate to admit it, as Derry fans our GAA experience is richer because of Tyrone's existence and if they didn't exist we'd probably have to invent them."
I don't know if the Tyrone v Armagh rivalry was ever as bitter or spiteful as they Derry one. Maybe it's cos they won a lot more Ulsters than us. Do others feel the same about Armagh as they do Derry?
I think there was a bit more respect for Armagh than there ever was for Derry. I always felt Armagh pushed Tyrone on to be even better than they may have been. It was a healthy, two way, rivalry that lifted the bar for both counties. If Armagh beat Tyrone their sights were set on All Irelands, so the rivalry wasn't quite so insular. Derry however, were just happy to win a game against Tyrone, they dragged games down to their level. We were just happy to beat them and move on. Because of this it becomes a bit nasty as the game is/was everything to Derry! (Check out Champion the wonder horse's 10 greatest moments in sport :D) Even when Derry had their great (underachieving) team of the early nineties, I always got the impression it was all about beating Tyrone. I think we have long since moved on from this and its a one way thing these days. Tyrone will go into Sundays game without the crippling fear of defeat of previous generations and as such I feel will despatch Derry fairly clinically.
What a prat you are!! Wouldn't know if it was pumped or stuffed!
Benny Tierney often refers to a McKenna cup game at the start of his career in which Tyrone and Armagh beat lumps out of each other. In the late 80s there was the tunnel battle. There has been plenty of needle to the rivalry too. Even last year the McKenna cup game was very feisty. From a supporters point of view it will just depend where your from who you dislike or argue with more.
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Benny Tierney often refers to a McKenna cup game at the start of his career in which Tyrone and Armagh beat lumps out of each other. In the late 80s there was the tunnel battle. There has been plenty of needle to the rivalry too. Even last year the McKenna cup game was very feisty. From a supporters point of view it will just depend where your from who you dislike or argue with more.
Sensible post here!
Living close to the Tyrone/Derry border,there's great craic and plenty of slagging in the run up to these games.But if things don't go your way it's torture!
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Enjoyed reading that Gonzalo and brings back a lot of the memories of the 90's for me as a lad living very near the Derry border and having went to school in Derry with a lot of Derry pals at college.
I drove to the game in 1995 with another Tyrone lad and two Derry mates. It was some craic and is something I often tell the Dubs down here what they are lacking in their easy one sided games in Croker where there are no such feelings of excitement, nervousness, fear, spite, anger etc.
I loved his line where he said
"As much as I hate to admit it, as Derry fans our GAA experience is richer because of Tyrone's existence and if they didn't exist we'd probably have to invent them."
I don't know if the Tyrone v Armagh rivalry was ever as bitter or spiteful as they Derry one. Maybe it's cos they won a lot more Ulsters than us. Do others feel the same about Armagh as they do Derry?
I think there was a bit more respect for Armagh than there ever was for Derry. I always felt Armagh pushed Tyrone on to be even better than they may have been. It was a healthy, two way, rivalry that lifted the bar for both counties. If Armagh beat Tyrone their sights were set on All Irelands, so the rivalry wasn't quite so insular. Derry however, were just happy to win a game against Tyrone, they dragged games down to their level. We were just happy to beat them and move on. Because of this it becomes a bit nasty as the game is/was everything to Derry! (Check out Champion the wonder horse's 10 greatest moments in sport :D) Even when Derry had their great (underachieving) team of the early nineties, I always got the impression it was all about beating Tyrone. I think we have long since moved on from this and its a one way thing these days. Tyrone will go into Sundays game without the crippling fear of defeat of previous generations and as such I feel will despatch Derry fairly clinically.
What a prat you are!! Wouldn't know if it was pumped or stuffed!
E.G. Watch the first half in 2006 again - compare to Tyrone games in 2005.
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Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 20, 2016, 12:37:39 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 20, 2016, 12:18:22 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 20, 2016, 11:25:52 AM
Quote from: Gonzalo15 on May 20, 2016, 10:45:08 AM
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Enjoyed reading that Gonzalo and brings back a lot of the memories of the 90's for me as a lad living very near the Derry border and having went to school in Derry with a lot of Derry pals at college.
I drove to the game in 1995 with another Tyrone lad and two Derry mates. It was some craic and is something I often tell the Dubs down here what they are lacking in their easy one sided games in Croker where there are no such feelings of excitement, nervousness, fear, spite, anger etc.
I loved his line where he said
"As much as I hate to admit it, as Derry fans our GAA experience is richer because of Tyrone's existence and if they didn't exist we'd probably have to invent them."
I don't know if the Tyrone v Armagh rivalry was ever as bitter or spiteful as they Derry one. Maybe it's cos they won a lot more Ulsters than us. Do others feel the same about Armagh as they do Derry?
I think there was a bit more respect for Armagh than there ever was for Derry. I always felt Armagh pushed Tyrone on to be even better than they may have been. It was a healthy, two way, rivalry that lifted the bar for both counties. If Armagh beat Tyrone their sights were set on All Irelands, so the rivalry wasn't quite so insular. Derry however, were just happy to win a game against Tyrone, they dragged games down to their level. We were just happy to beat them and move on. Because of this it becomes a bit nasty as the game is/was everything to Derry! (Check out Champion the wonder horse's 10 greatest moments in sport :D) Even when Derry had their great (underachieving) team of the early nineties, I always got the impression it was all about beating Tyrone. I think we have long since moved on from this and its a one way thing these days. Tyrone will go into Sundays game without the crippling fear of defeat of previous generations and as such I feel will despatch Derry fairly clinically.
What a prat you are!! Wouldn't know if it was pumped or stuffed!
E.G. Watch the first half in 2006 again - compare to Tyrone games in 2005.
Ha! A total of, emmm, 1 example (or a half an example!). Throw away the key ma lawd! Tyrone, the bastions of gaelic football.. Give me strength
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Enjoyed reading that Gonzalo and brings back a lot of the memories of the 90's for me as a lad living very near the Derry border and having went to school in Derry with a lot of Derry pals at college.
I drove to the game in 1995 with another Tyrone lad and two Derry mates. It was some craic and is something I often tell the Dubs down here what they are lacking in their easy one sided games in Croker where there are no such feelings of excitement, nervousness, fear, spite, anger etc.
I loved his line where he said
"As much as I hate to admit it, as Derry fans our GAA experience is richer because of Tyrone's existence and if they didn't exist we'd probably have to invent them."
I don't know if the Tyrone v Armagh rivalry was ever as bitter or spiteful as they Derry one. Maybe it's cos they won a lot more Ulsters than us. Do others feel the same about Armagh as they do Derry?
I think there was a bit more respect for Armagh than there ever was for Derry. I always felt Armagh pushed Tyrone on to be even better than they may have been. It was a healthy, two way, rivalry that lifted the bar for both counties. If Armagh beat Tyrone their sights were set on All Irelands, so the rivalry wasn't quite so insular. Derry however, were just happy to win a game against Tyrone, they dragged games down to their level. We were just happy to beat them and move on. Because of this it becomes a bit nasty as the game is/was everything to Derry! (Check out Champion the wonder horse's 10 greatest moments in sport :D) Even when Derry had their great (underachieving) team of the early nineties, I always got the impression it was all about beating Tyrone. I think we have long since moved on from this and its a one way thing these days. Tyrone will go into Sundays game without the crippling fear of defeat of previous generations and as such I feel will despatch Derry fairly clinically.
What a prat you are!! Wouldn't know if it was pumped or stuffed!
E.G. Watch the first half in 2006 again - compare to Tyrone games in 2005.
2006 was puke football - most Derry/Tyrone games are. You are very blinkered if you think Tyrone/Armagh 02-05 was the norm. It was 2 teams at the peak of their powers.
Yes I think the Tyrone Armagh rivalry was a lot more balanced with maybe more at stake as both teams probably had their best teams ever and so they knew they couldn't go hung ho getting men sent off left right and centre as it would harm them later again Kerry or Dublin etc. Yes some of the fans maybe had strong hatred for each other which I first sampled in 2002 semi final when I was supporting Armagh against the Dubs.
The worst game for me was at was that 2001 defeat to Derry in Clones. There was a lot of bad feeling among fans in the crowd that day. Canavan getting sent off was the cream on their cake that day.
The game has changed a lot nowadays though and it's hard to pick out many dirty players in either side for Sunday.
It will be interesting to see does Tiernan McCann get any reaction to the incident earlier in the year.
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Enjoyed reading that Gonzalo and brings back a lot of the memories of the 90's for me as a lad living very near the Derry border and having went to school in Derry with a lot of Derry pals at college.
I drove to the game in 1995 with another Tyrone lad and two Derry mates. It was some craic and is something I often tell the Dubs down here what they are lacking in their easy one sided games in Croker where there are no such feelings of excitement, nervousness, fear, spite, anger etc.
I loved his line where he said
"As much as I hate to admit it, as Derry fans our GAA experience is richer because of Tyrone's existence and if they didn't exist we'd probably have to invent them."
I don't know if the Tyrone v Armagh rivalry was ever as bitter or spiteful as they Derry one. Maybe it's cos they won a lot more Ulsters than us. Do others feel the same about Armagh as they do Derry?
I think there was a bit more respect for Armagh than there ever was for Derry. I always felt Armagh pushed Tyrone on to be even better than they may have been. It was a healthy, two way, rivalry that lifted the bar for both counties. If Armagh beat Tyrone their sights were set on All Irelands, so the rivalry wasn't quite so insular. Derry however, were just happy to win a game against Tyrone, they dragged games down to their level. We were just happy to beat them and move on. Because of this it becomes a bit nasty as the game is/was everything to Derry! (Check out Champion the wonder horse's 10 greatest moments in sport :D) Even when Derry had their great (underachieving) team of the early nineties, I always got the impression it was all about beating Tyrone. I think we have long since moved on from this and its a one way thing these days. Tyrone will go into Sundays game without the crippling fear of defeat of previous generations and as such I feel will despatch Derry fairly clinically.
What a prat you are!! Wouldn't know if it was pumped or stuffed!
E.G. Watch the first half in 2006 again - compare to Tyrone games in 2005.
2006 was puke football - most Derry/Tyrone games are. You are very blinkered if you think Tyrone/Armagh 02-05 was the norm. It was 2 teams at the peak of their powers.
Exactly - Derry have never really been at the peak of any power for a prolonged period, bar a small time between 1992 and 1993. I was commenting on the most intense period of rivalry between Tyrone and Armagh which was a proper struggle for 3 or 4 years, and was not only about who was top dogs locally or on a provincial level but also who was the best team in the land. That was a proper rivalry based on two good football teams and probably a begrudging respect between the two teams and supporters. Any rivalry with Derry is more insular and to be honest has been watered down by Derry's inability to compete at a reasonable level. As a result, its all about beating Tyrone for Derry - hence the nastiness that often emanates from this fixture.
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Enjoyed reading that Gonzalo and brings back a lot of the memories of the 90's for me as a lad living very near the Derry border and having went to school in Derry with a lot of Derry pals at college.
I drove to the game in 1995 with another Tyrone lad and two Derry mates. It was some craic and is something I often tell the Dubs down here what they are lacking in their easy one sided games in Croker where there are no such feelings of excitement, nervousness, fear, spite, anger etc.
I loved his line where he said
"As much as I hate to admit it, as Derry fans our GAA experience is richer because of Tyrone's existence and if they didn't exist we'd probably have to invent them."
I don't know if the Tyrone v Armagh rivalry was ever as bitter or spiteful as they Derry one. Maybe it's cos they won a lot more Ulsters than us. Do others feel the same about Armagh as they do Derry?
I think there was a bit more respect for Armagh than there ever was for Derry. I always felt Armagh pushed Tyrone on to be even better than they may have been. It was a healthy, two way, rivalry that lifted the bar for both counties. If Armagh beat Tyrone their sights were set on All Irelands, so the rivalry wasn't quite so insular. Derry however, were just happy to win a game against Tyrone, they dragged games down to their level. We were just happy to beat them and move on. Because of this it becomes a bit nasty as the game is/was everything to Derry! (Check out Champion the wonder horse's 10 greatest moments in sport :D) Even when Derry had their great (underachieving) team of the early nineties, I always got the impression it was all about beating Tyrone. I think we have long since moved on from this and its a one way thing these days. Tyrone will go into Sundays game without the crippling fear of defeat of previous generations and as such I feel will despatch Derry fairly clinically.
What a prat you are!! Wouldn't know if it was pumped or stuffed!
E.G. Watch the first half in 2006 again - compare to Tyrone games in 2005.
2006 was puke football - most Derry/Tyrone games are. You are very blinkered if you think Tyrone/Armagh 02-05 was the norm. It was 2 teams at the peak of their powers.
Exactly - Derry have never really been at the peak of any power for a prolonged period, bar a small time between 1992 and 1993. I was commenting on the most intense period of rivalry between Tyrone and Armagh which was a proper struggle for 3 or 4 years, and was not only about who was top dogs locally or on a provincial level but also who was the best team in the land. That was a proper rivalry based on two good football teams and probably a begrudging respect between the two teams and supporters. Any rivalry with Derry is more insular and to be honest has been watered down by Derry's inability to compete at a reasonable level. As a result, its all about beating Tyrone for Derry - hence the nastiness that often emanates from this fixture.
Benny you really can't help yourself can you. So all the nastiness in this fixture is on Derrys behalf? Were you even at the game in 95....thats right football began in 2003!
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Enjoyed reading that Gonzalo and brings back a lot of the memories of the 90's for me as a lad living very near the Derry border and having went to school in Derry with a lot of Derry pals at college.
I drove to the game in 1995 with another Tyrone lad and two Derry mates. It was some craic and is something I often tell the Dubs down here what they are lacking in their easy one sided games in Croker where there are no such feelings of excitement, nervousness, fear, spite, anger etc.
I loved his line where he said
"As much as I hate to admit it, as Derry fans our GAA experience is richer because of Tyrone's existence and if they didn't exist we'd probably have to invent them."
I don't know if the Tyrone v Armagh rivalry was ever as bitter or spiteful as they Derry one. Maybe it's cos they won a lot more Ulsters than us. Do others feel the same about Armagh as they do Derry?
I think there was a bit more respect for Armagh than there ever was for Derry. I always felt Armagh pushed Tyrone on to be even better than they may have been. It was a healthy, two way, rivalry that lifted the bar for both counties. If Armagh beat Tyrone their sights were set on All Irelands, so the rivalry wasn't quite so insular. Derry however, were just happy to win a game against Tyrone, they dragged games down to their level. We were just happy to beat them and move on. Because of this it becomes a bit nasty as the game is/was everything to Derry! (Check out Champion the wonder horse's 10 greatest moments in sport :D) Even when Derry had their great (underachieving) team of the early nineties, I always got the impression it was all about beating Tyrone. I think we have long since moved on from this and its a one way thing these days. Tyrone will go into Sundays game without the crippling fear of defeat of previous generations and as such I feel will despatch Derry fairly clinically.
What a prat you are!! Wouldn't know if it was pumped or stuffed!
E.G. Watch the first half in 2006 again - compare to Tyrone games in 2005.
2006 was puke football - most Derry/Tyrone games are. You are very blinkered if you think Tyrone/Armagh 02-05 was the norm. It was 2 teams at the peak of their powers.
Exactly - Derry have never really been at the peak of any power for a prolonged period, bar a small time between 1992 and 1993. I was commenting on the most intense period of rivalry between Tyrone and Armagh which was a proper struggle for 3 or 4 years, and was not only about who was top dogs locally or on a provincial level but also who was the best team in the land. That was a proper rivalry based on two good football teams and probably a begrudging respect between the two teams and supporters. Any rivalry with Derry is more insular and to be honest has been watered down by Derry's inability to compete at a reasonable level. As a result, its all about beating Tyrone for Derry - hence the nastiness that often emanates from this fixture.
Benny you really can't help yourself can you. So all the nastiness in this fixture is on Derrys behalf? Were you even at the game in 95....thats right football began in 2003!
I didn't say it was all from Derry. And yes I was there in 1995 to witness inglorious premature celebrations from our Derry brethren at half time. It was a wonderful day!
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Enjoyed reading that Gonzalo and brings back a lot of the memories of the 90's for me as a lad living very near the Derry border and having went to school in Derry with a lot of Derry pals at college.
I drove to the game in 1995 with another Tyrone lad and two Derry mates. It was some craic and is something I often tell the Dubs down here what they are lacking in their easy one sided games in Croker where there are no such feelings of excitement, nervousness, fear, spite, anger etc.
I loved his line where he said
"As much as I hate to admit it, as Derry fans our GAA experience is richer because of Tyrone's existence and if they didn't exist we'd probably have to invent them."
I don't know if the Tyrone v Armagh rivalry was ever as bitter or spiteful as they Derry one. Maybe it's cos they won a lot more Ulsters than us. Do others feel the same about Armagh as they do Derry?
I think there was a bit more respect for Armagh than there ever was for Derry. I always felt Armagh pushed Tyrone on to be even better than they may have been. It was a healthy, two way, rivalry that lifted the bar for both counties. If Armagh beat Tyrone their sights were set on All Irelands, so the rivalry wasn't quite so insular. Derry however, were just happy to win a game against Tyrone, they dragged games down to their level. We were just happy to beat them and move on. Because of this it becomes a bit nasty as the game is/was everything to Derry! (Check out Champion the wonder horse's 10 greatest moments in sport :D) Even when Derry had their great (underachieving) team of the early nineties, I always got the impression it was all about beating Tyrone. I think we have long since moved on from this and its a one way thing these days. Tyrone will go into Sundays game without the crippling fear of defeat of previous generations and as such I feel will despatch Derry fairly clinically.
What a prat you are!! Wouldn't know if it was pumped or stuffed!
E.G. Watch the first half in 2006 again - compare to Tyrone games in 2005.
2006 was puke football - most Derry/Tyrone games are. You are very blinkered if you think Tyrone/Armagh 02-05 was the norm. It was 2 teams at the peak of their powers.
Exactly - Derry have never really been at the peak of any power for a prolonged period, bar a small time between 1992 and 1993. I was commenting on the most intense period of rivalry between Tyrone and Armagh which was a proper struggle for 3 or 4 years, and was not only about who was top dogs locally or on a provincial level but also who was the best team in the land. That was a proper rivalry based on two good football teams and probably a begrudging respect between the two teams and supporters. Any rivalry with Derry is more insular and to be honest has been watered down by Derry's inability to compete at a reasonable level. As a result, its all about beating Tyrone for Derry - hence the nastiness that often emanates from this fixture.
Benny you really can't help yourself can you. So all the nastiness in this fixture is on Derrys behalf? Were you even at the game in 95....thats right football began in 2003!
I didn't say it was all from Derry. And yes I was there in 1995 to witness inglorious premature celebrations from our Derry brethren at half time. It was a wonderful day!
Maybe if you took as much interest in your 'local' club you might get somewhere! Again pumped or stuffed springs to mind.
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Enjoyed reading that Gonzalo and brings back a lot of the memories of the 90's for me as a lad living very near the Derry border and having went to school in Derry with a lot of Derry pals at college.
I drove to the game in 1995 with another Tyrone lad and two Derry mates. It was some craic and is something I often tell the Dubs down here what they are lacking in their easy one sided games in Croker where there are no such feelings of excitement, nervousness, fear, spite, anger etc.
I loved his line where he said
"As much as I hate to admit it, as Derry fans our GAA experience is richer because of Tyrone's existence and if they didn't exist we'd probably have to invent them."
I don't know if the Tyrone v Armagh rivalry was ever as bitter or spiteful as they Derry one. Maybe it's cos they won a lot more Ulsters than us. Do others feel the same about Armagh as they do Derry?
I think there was a bit more respect for Armagh than there ever was for Derry. I always felt Armagh pushed Tyrone on to be even better than they may have been. It was a healthy, two way, rivalry that lifted the bar for both counties. If Armagh beat Tyrone their sights were set on All Irelands, so the rivalry wasn't quite so insular. Derry however, were just happy to win a game against Tyrone, they dragged games down to their level. We were just happy to beat them and move on. Because of this it becomes a bit nasty as the game is/was everything to Derry! (Check out Champion the wonder horse's 10 greatest moments in sport :D) Even when Derry had their great (underachieving) team of the early nineties, I always got the impression it was all about beating Tyrone. I think we have long since moved on from this and its a one way thing these days. Tyrone will go into Sundays game without the crippling fear of defeat of previous generations and as such I feel will despatch Derry fairly clinically.
What a prat you are!! Wouldn't know if it was pumped or stuffed!
E.G. Watch the first half in 2006 again - compare to Tyrone games in 2005.
2006 was puke football - most Derry/Tyrone games are. You are very blinkered if you think Tyrone/Armagh 02-05 was the norm. It was 2 teams at the peak of their powers.
Exactly - Derry have never really been at the peak of any power for a prolonged period, bar a small time between 1992 and 1993. I was commenting on the most intense period of rivalry between Tyrone and Armagh which was a proper struggle for 3 or 4 years, and was not only about who was top dogs locally or on a provincial level but also who was the best team in the land. That was a proper rivalry based on two good football teams and probably a begrudging respect between the two teams and supporters. Any rivalry with Derry is more insular and to be honest has been watered down by Derry's inability to compete at a reasonable level. As a result, its all about beating Tyrone for Derry - hence the nastiness that often emanates from this fixture.
Benny you really can't help yourself can you. So all the nastiness in this fixture is on Derrys behalf? Were you even at the game in 95....thats right football began in 2003!
I didn't say it was all from Derry. And yes I was there in 1995 to witness inglorious premature celebrations from our Derry brethren at half time. It was a wonderful day!
Maybe if you took as much interest in your 'local' club you might get somewhere! Again pumped or stuffed springs to mind.
::) Aye, I wonder where the nastiness emanates? I'm glad I rattled a few of you anyway, true colors coming out. Was sick of hearing all this bollocks about many points you's are going to get beat by. Enjoy waiting in the long grass! Roll on Sunday!
Are Derry gonna name a team or is it a secret !!!!
Hope them big Derry bullies leave McCann alone.
1. Thomas Mallon (An Lúb)
2. OisÃn Duffy (Forghleann)
3. Brendan Rogers (Sleacht Néill)
4. Karl McKaigue (Sleacht Néill)
5. Kevin Johnston (Dún Geimhin)
6. Chrissy McKaigue (Sleacht Néill)
7. Gareth McKinless (Baile an Doire)
8. Niall Holly (Eoghan Rua)
9. Daniel Heavron (Machaire FÃolta)
10. Shane Heavron (Machaire FÃolta)
11. James Kielt (Cill Ria)
12. Ciarán McFaul (Gleann)
13. Niall Toner (Leamhaigh)
14. Emmett McGuckin (Machaire FÃolta)
15. Mark Lynch (Beannchar)
16. Conor McLernon (Machaire FÃolta)
17. Dermot McBride (Baile na Scrine)
18. Gerard O'Kane (Gleann an Iolair)
19. Neil Forester (Baile StÃl)
20. Liam McGoldrick (Eoghan Rua)
21. Ryan Bell (Baile an Doire)
22. Cailean O'Boyle (Leamhaigh)
23. Emmett Bradley (Gleann)
24. Conor McAtamney (Suaitreach)
25. Eoghan Brown (Baile Eachaidh)
26. Christopher Bradley (Sleacht Néill)
strange team selection, my pet hate of starting men in the first round of the championship who never kicked a ball for derry hardly in the league in their first year of been on the panel, first time derry had a strong bench though, Where Ciaran Mullan and Sean Leo McGoldrick go to, hadnt heard them injured,?
Will Big Rodgers be at MF in for the throw up?
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Will Big Rodgers be at MF in for the throw up?
Despicable, some folk have no class. And they're better than you.
Call it.
I think Derry will turn this into a real war. Tyrone aren't a physical team and can't mix it like Gormley's crew. If Derry can find the perfect combination of controlled aggression and economy in front of the posts (Kielt and Lynch pointing from the 30m) they can go close.
Tyrone's 10-15 aren't prolific.
Derry 2-9 Tyrone 0-15
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1. Thomas Mallon (An Lúb)
2. OisÃn Duffy (Forghleann)
3. Brendan Rogers (Sleacht Néill)
4. Karl McKaigue (Sleacht Néill)
5. Kevin Johnston (Dún Geimhin)
6. Chrissy McKaigue (Sleacht Néill)
7. Gareth McKinless (Baile an Doire)
8. Niall Holly (Eoghan Rua)
9. Daniel Heavron (Machaire FÃolta)
10. Shane Heavron (Machaire FÃolta)
11. James Kielt (Cill Ria)
12. Ciarán McFaul (Gleann)
13. Niall Toner (Leamhaigh)
14. Emmett McGuckin (Machaire FÃolta)
15. Mark Lynch (Beannchar)
16. Conor McLernon (Machaire FÃolta)
17. Dermot McBride (Baile na Scrine)
18. Gerard O'Kane (Gleann an Iolair)
19. Neil Forester (Baile StÃl)
20. Liam McGoldrick (Eoghan Rua)
21. Ryan Bell (Baile an Doire)
22. Cailean O'Boyle (Leamhaigh)
23. Emmett Bradley (Gleann)
24. Conor McAtamney (Suaitreach)
25. Eoghan Brown (Baile Eachaidh)
26. Christopher Bradley (Sleacht Néill)
Cad is bri le Suaitreach ? Lovely name . Must be very old. Swatragh means nothing like most translations of logainmneacha
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Call it.
I think Derry will turn this into a real war. Tyrone aren't a physical team and can't mix it like Gormley's crew. If Derry can find the perfect combination of controlled aggression and economy in front of the posts (Kielt and Lynch pointing from the 30m) they can go close.
Tyrone's 10-15 aren't prolific.
Derry 2-9 Tyrone 0-15
Most Derry people are going to this game with no expectations at all. To be honest if we can put up the same kind of display that Cavan gave in the division 2 final most of us would be content. The problem is I don't think we are as good as Cavan and they were beat by 6. Derry are starting to put things right at development squad level and in a number of years we will be competitive again but at this moment we are at a low ebb and Tyrone should rally beat us by about 10 pulling up. The only Ulster team I would definitely put us above is Antrim and we are just about on a par with Armagh.
http://ulsterherald.com/2016/05/20/when-we-hadnt-a-backside-in-our-trousers/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-36346696 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-36346696)
That will explain the weird smell you often get off the Tyrone hoards. Do us (and yourselves) all a favour and have a long shower between leaving your dump and heading into the heartland of all that is good and proper.
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That will explain the weird smell you often get off the Tyrone hoards. Do us (and yourselves) all a favour and have a long shower between leaving your dump and heading into the heartland of all that is good and proper.
That would be the hordes coming down over the county border to the north to dump on us, literally ;)
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That will explain the weird smell you often get off the Tyrone hoards. Do us (and yourselves) all a favour and have a long shower between leaving your dump and heading into the heartland of all that is good and proper.
That would be the hordes coming down over the county border to the north to dump on us, literally ;)
It was thought to be a suitable location, seeing as the natives have a high tolerance level for strong odours
I see this cagefight is being screened live on BBCNI, I'm partial to watching a good scrap between the more northernly primates
Yes, yes, yes. Tyrone builied out of the championship by Donegal and Armagh in the last 5 or 6 seasons are now facing Derry. Their only prospect in many eyes, is to act the bully.
So what might happen: Expect Brutality from Derry, It will be there only chance of winning.
Incident before the game.
Flattened men in first 5 minutes:
Stifling atmosphere
Tunnel incident at half time
Second half - Tyrone either finally prove that this team can take the hardest hits and still win games and sneak home.
or Derry have the fitness and keep enough men on the field to win a game that makes their summer. Even a narrow defeat and Derry can do well later in the year.
A beaten docket will leave Tyrone with a very poor summer. Tyrone need to win this game more than Derry to prove their character in real championship footballer, that they can survive the bullying, and come out the other side. A strong performance and win Tyrone can progress in leaps and bounds and can win Ulster and beyond.
Warning: Not for the faint hearted. For Ulster football fans, this is what its all about.
If you are not there and you have a choice of going you are not serious about your football.
Tir Eoghain abu!
Tyrone players go down like a sack of spuds clutching their faces when barely touched, what happens when they take a big hit? That'll be worth the watch!
Do derry have the sort of men who can bully though? Not the biggest of teams. In the mckenna cup group stage derry were flyin, leading by 8 points. Once the niggling started, the tyrone scoreboard started to tick.
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That will explain the weird smell you often get off the Tyrone hoards. Do us (and yourselves) all a favour and have a long shower between leaving your dump and heading into the heartland of all that is good and proper.
That would be the hordes coming down over the county border to the north to dump on us, literally ;)
It was thought to be a suitable location, seeing as the natives have a high tolerance level for strong odours
That would be as a direct result of our Darwinian capacity for evolution in view of the most repulsive fumes of duck excreta wafting northwards from our neighbours to the south :D
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-36346696 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-36346696)
That will explain the weird smell you often get off the Tyrone hoards. Do us (and yourselves) all a favour and have a long shower between leaving your dump and heading into the heartland of all that is good and proper.
That would be the hordes coming down over the county border to the north to dump on us, literally ;)
It was thought to be a suitable location, seeing as the natives have a high tolerance level for strong odours
That would be as a direct result of our Darwinian capacity for evolution in view of the most repulsive fumes of duck excreta wafting northwards from our neighbours to the south :D
Wile pile of shite being talked
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Derry's team might not be as good as Tyrone's right now. Tyrone might have beaten them four times already this season. Mickey Harte might well be looking further ahead at how they could take down Dublin later in the year.
But for 70 minutes this Sunday, all that will matter is if his side have the balls to implement their technical superiority. For 70 minutes, all that will matter is whether or not they can cope with the bad blood simmering in the stands and bubbling on the pitch.
For 70 minutes on Sunday, Tyrone can't have even one eye on Dublin or Donegal. Because, for 70 minutes, they're going to have 15 ravenous Derry men looking to remind them exactly where they are.
And for all the football and organisation that Tyrone look to have in them this year, all that will matter on Sunday is standing up to the hate
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You'll not be happy until somebody is opened tomorrow by the looks of it
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Technical superiority ;D ;D ;D
Good one Conan
Some man gunna get lined early doors the mora.... serious needle exists and the pundits and media are liftin it up a ratchet or 3
Hopefully Mickey talks to RTE today.
https://youtu.be/H8HbynMBoXo
https://youtu.be/igZRLbC5mXo
As they used to say " let the dog see the rabbit "
Mattie McGleenan with the most aggressive series of blown kisses I have ever witnessed. Wouldn't like to see him with a dose of the horn!
It's a fine morning out there, however, looks like showers starting to move in from the NW.
http://www.raintoday.co.uk/mobile
Quote from: orangeman on May 22, 2016, 08:24:14 AM
As they used to say " let the dog see the rabbit "
What do you mean used to ?
I use this on a regular enough basis.
Youse Tyrone bollixes better leave my city tidy ya hoorbags.
There's more gaa in Bangor than yer city
Spreading the gospel in Lancashire at the minute
Any radio stations covering the minor match?
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 22, 2016, 08:36:16 AM
Mattie McGleenan with the most aggressive series of blown kisses I have ever witnessed. Wouldn't like to see him with a dose of the horn!
Haha. Disturbing on a few levels there.
It's always a game that intrigues and I look forward to, then the game starts and it's generally shit. Hope it's a good one today.
Why do the two McKaigues play for different clubs?
Quote from: Esmarelda on May 22, 2016, 01:58:17 PM
Why do the two McKaigues play for different clubs?
They don't
Was thinking it was very tame altogether before a scuffle breaks out.
No cards.
Great finish.
That was the perfect opportunity to blow a few kisses at the Derry fans.
Gift of a goal for Tyrone.
0/10 for the Derry defence there.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 22, 2016, 02:12:05 PM
Great finish.
That was the perfect opportunity to blow a few kisses at the Derry fans.
Hardly a great finish when the keeper and the defender has taken each other out.
My granny would have finished that.
Some point from the wing there.
Derry's defending is fairly woeful over all - giving Tyrone a world of space.
Some excellent shooting thus far.
Derry should stick Lynch on the edge of the square and start letting it in long.
Anything dropping on a FB line in that weather is up for grabs.
Another Tyrone Goal
5 point gap a decent one in these conditions.
2-2 for O'Neill already.
Derry hanging on for the half-time whistle.
They have 5 minutes to stop the rot.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 22, 2016, 02:32:12 PM
Derry hanging on for the half-time whistle.
They have 5 minutes to stop the rot.
Really can't see a way back for them at this stage.
Tyrone defence looking solid and really don't look like they are going to give away much in the way of goal chances.
Mark Lynch, hang your head in shame.
Hope somebody opens him up with a (fair) shoulder.
Mark Lynch waving an imaginary card :-[
Bring on Enda Muldoon.
You'd wouldn't want to be looking for a towel in the Derry dressing room at half-time as they've clearly thrown them all in to the pitch.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 22, 2016, 02:36:39 PM
Mark Lynch, hang your head in shame.
Hope somebody opens him up with a (fair) shoulder.
+1 what a tool, then follows it up by kicking an embarrassingly poor wide
What have Derry got to lose by trying a few long balls?
If it doesn't work fine, but it's the only hope they have of getting a goal.
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Mark Lynch waving an imaginary card :-[
Mouthing "that's a f**king red". Watching too much soccer!
Quote from: Jinxy on May 22, 2016, 02:41:58 PM
What have Derry got to lose by trying a few long balls?
If it doesn't work fine, but it's the only hope they have of getting a goal.
I know what they are doing isn't working but that would be even less effective IMO.
Shocking performance by Derry in that first half.
Quote from: hardstation on May 22, 2016, 02:43:50 PM
Can see Tyrone scoring a few more goals in the 2nd half. Derry back line is pathetic.
As bad a defensive performace as you're likely see in an Ulster Championship for a while.
Derry truly embarrassing. Another unfortunate example of what happens when a manager is appointed who has neither the interest nor wherewithal to impose modern counter attacking tactics on a team (Down will do something similar in a fortnight). Only once has a Derry forward attempted to run at Tyrone, while their fullback line are sitting ducks.
Good half, got a few breaks and took them, glad to see O'Neill hvin a good game. Derry's mistakes helped us but they will only serve to fire them up for the 2nd half so we had better have our defences primed and ready for the onslaught
Quote from: hardstation on May 22, 2016, 02:43:50 PM
Can see Tyrone scoring a few more goals in the 2nd half. Derry back line is pathetic.
Only Laois, Limerick, Sligo and London (all in Division 3 or Division 4 next year) conceded more goals in this year's league.
Mark Lynch. Tut tut tut
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 22, 2016, 02:48:06 PM
Good half, got a few breaks and took them, glad to see O'Neill hvin a good game. Derry's mistakes helped us but they will only serve to fire them up for the 2nd half so we had better have our defences primed and ready for the onslaught
Calm down Omaghjoe.Game long over and there will be no onslaught
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Why do the two McKaigues play for different clubs?
They don't
Pretty sure RTE listed one as Loup and the other as Slaughtneill.
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Quote from: hardstation on May 22, 2016, 02:43:50 PM
Can see Tyrone scoring a few more goals in the 2nd half. Derry back line is pathetic.
As bad a defensive performace as you're likely see in an Ulster Championship for a while.
3-8 is a lot to concede in a half in the modern Ulster Championship, especially when both sides were playing in the same Division in the league.
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Quote from: Jinxy on May 22, 2016, 02:41:58 PM
What have Derry got to lose by trying a few long balls?
If it doesn't work fine, but it's the only hope they have of getting a goal.
I know what they are doing isn't working but that would be even less effective IMO.
Its more interesting for me to watch though.
Going out to cut the lawn (and it's pissing rain)!
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 22, 2016, 02:48:06 PM
Good half, got a few breaks and took them, glad to see O'Neill hvin a good game. Derry's mistakes helped us but they will only serve to fire them up for the 2nd half so we had better have our defences primed and ready for the onslaught
You have to be extracting the urine.
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Quote from: Esmarelda on May 22, 2016, 01:58:17 PM
Why do the two McKaigues play for different clubs?
They don't
Pretty sure RTE listed one as Loup and the other as Slaughtneill.
noticed that Karl listed for Loup and Chrissy for Slaughtneil. Does Karl not play with Slaughtneil?
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Quote from: Jinxy on May 22, 2016, 02:41:58 PM
What have Derry got to lose by trying a few long balls?
If it doesn't work fine, but it's the only hope they have of getting a goal.
I know what they are doing isn't working but that would be even less effective IMO.
Its more interesting for me to watch though.
True. I hope 14 men behind the ball isn't going to be the theme of the summer but I fear it will.
Barton so arrogant at start quoting tyrone without championship title for 5 years did this man ever win anything at club level.
Why don't derry push a man up on colm cavanagh?
Quote from: skeog on May 22, 2016, 02:57:09 PM
Barton so arrogant at start quoting tyrone without championship title for 5 years did this man ever win anything at club level.
Think he collected 10 crisps packets to get job :)
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Quote from: Jinxy on May 22, 2016, 02:41:58 PM
What have Derry got to lose by trying a few long balls?
If it doesn't work fine, but it's the only hope they have of getting a goal.
I know what they are doing isn't working but that would be even less effective IMO.
Its more interesting for me to watch though.
True. I hope 14 men behind the ball isn't going to be the theme of the summer but I fear it will.
Kielt kicked a ball in there and it was 3 on 3.
Much better odds.
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Barton so arrogant at start quoting tyrone without championship title for 5 years did this man ever win anything at club level.
Think he collected 10 crisps packets to get job :)
Don't think he'll be in it much longer after today, clueless stuff.
They look so naiave. No harm but mckaigue at chb leaves massive gaps and really should not be in that position.
Hate saying it but Tyrone are serious contenders for this years AI title.
That's bizarre.
Derry man has the ball crossing midfield with Tyrone funneling back and instead of letting it in he gives a short hand-pass which then goes over and back across the HF line before someone balloons a high ball into the square where half the population of Tyrone is waiting for it.
Let it in early ffs!
Derry are loving the sly digs. One on McCarron and one on Harte. Quit being bad losers and take your beating like men.
Quote from: yellowcard on May 22, 2016, 03:08:47 PM
Hate saying it but Tyrone are serious contenders for this years AI title.
Based on?
Too many big, burly lads on that Derry team.
The nineties are over lads (more's the pity).
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Quote from: Jinxy on May 22, 2016, 02:41:58 PM
What have Derry got to lose by trying a few long balls?
If it doesn't work fine, but it's the only hope they have of getting a goal.
I know what they are doing isn't working but that would be even less effective IMO.
Its more interesting for me to watch though.
True. I hope 14 men behind the ball isn't going to be the theme of the summer but I fear it will.
Kielt kicked a ball in there and it was 3 on 3.
Much better odds.
True but while they might get a score out every 5 or 6 attempts they leave acres of room behind so Tyrone will create more easy chance at the other end from turning over the high balls into their defence. Unfortunately the least effective ploy against a blanket defence is the long high ball, despite what Martin Carney and Pat Spillane will tell you. Tyrone look impressive today but I think Derry are making them look better than they are.
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Quote from: yellowcard on May 22, 2016, 03:08:47 PM
Hate saying it but Tyrone are serious contenders for this years AI title.
Based on?
Is it really that much of a stretch to suggest that? :-\
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Quote from: yellowcard on May 22, 2016, 03:08:47 PM
Hate saying it but Tyrone are serious contenders for this years AI title.
Based on?
Based on the last 12 months, from what I've seen myself and with the addition of a number of young players. I can see a Dublin v Tyrone AI final, for me they are Dublins main rivals this year.
When Derry attack the pitch seems small. When Tyrone attack the pitch seems huge .
Tyrone, great men to buy a free.
Cavanagh gets away with so much, including constant overcarrying
Kielt acting the maggot all day.
Tyrone don't even have the need to introduce the cynical stuff today.
why won't RTE show the replay of frees awarded?
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Kielt acting the maggot all day.
Rodgers moreso. A constant red card waiting to happen.
Derry safer having Holly Willoughby in midfield than Niall Holly
If I was a Derry supporter I'd be looking for a full refund today. First bit of excitement this half with the Cavanagh McKaigue incident.
Derry are a shambles.
Easy fodder for AIQ round 1
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Hate saying it but Tyrone are serious contenders for this years AI title.
Based on?
Based on the last 12 months, from what I've seen myself and with the addition of a number of young players. I can see a Dublin v Tyrone AI final, for me they are Dublins main rivals this year.
Question - who have Tyrone beaten to be installed as Dublin's main rivals?
Is there anyone in there who are even among the dark horses for the championship?
(Monaghan who Tyrone beat last year at currently 40/1 shots)
Poor discipline. Bad tempered boys. The result of years of deprivation of footballing success
Job done without much fuss. Second half a bit of an anti-climax but it might calm down some of the more excitable about Tyrone's summer prospects. I did expect Tyrone would really have to work for it today, Derry were terrible.
Derry are even worse than we, Armagh, are.
Very disappointing Derry performance
Ulster football competitive? 😂😂😂😂
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Hate saying it but Tyrone are serious contenders for this years AI title.
Based on?
Based on the last 12 months, from what I've seen myself and with the addition of a number of young players. I can see a Dublin v Tyrone AI final, for me they are Dublins main rivals this year.
Question - who have Tyrone beaten to be installed as Dublin's main rivals?
Is there anyone in there who are even among the dark horses for the championship?
(Monaghan who Tyrone beat last year at currently 40/1 shots)
Considering they played in div 2 it's not real a relevant question. Using last years AI semi final against Kerry as a yardstick there wasn't much between the 2 sides and Kerry are an ageing team whilst Tyrone are a young improving team.
Did Derry actually come onto any balls going forward at any pace? Like did they ever run onto a ball at full tilt on the sprint? Can't remember seeing it too often.
For the gameplan they tried to play they hadn't the players on the field to implement it, too big and slow for it - not athletic enough. If they wanted to go that way where was McGoldrick and Lynn etc? But even at that that slow laborious type of football doesn't suit Derry at all - especially not against a team that turns over and transitions at the pace Tyrone do.
Tyrone impressive.
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Considering they played in div 2 it's not real a relevant question. Using last years AI semi final against Kerry as a yardstick there wasn't much between the 2 sides and Kerry are an ageing team whilst Tyrone are a young improving team.
Worth looking at their winning margins of their games in Division 2 this year.
They drew with Armagh and Fermanagh.
2 point win over Cavan
2 point win over Galway
Goal win over Laois
9 point win over Derry
6 point win over Meath
5 point win over Cavan in the league final.
That's hardly the type of form that suggest a serious championship challenge to me.
For Tyrone, their form in the league is not the point, it is their form in August.
I see on the BBC that the Rossies had sent a spy.
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Considering they played in div 2 it's not real a relevant question. Using last years AI semi final against Kerry as a yardstick there wasn't much between the 2 sides and Kerry are an ageing team whilst Tyrone are a young improving team.
Worth looking at their winning margins of their games in Division 2 this year.
They drew with Armagh and Fermanagh.
2 point win over Cavan
2 point win over Galway
Goal win over Laois
9 point win over Derry
6 point win over Meath
5 point win over Cavan in the league final.
That's hardly the type of form that suggest a serious championship challenge to me.
Never mind the league.
Tyrone had a job to do and did it.
There are a lot of questions to be answered but we're a very young side who are moving in the right direction. We had Kerry at our mercy last year but fluffed our lines, the encouraging thing today was that we looked a lot more clinical, the game was done and dusted at half time.
Worry for me remains the free taking conundrum.
The likes of Richie Donnelly, McShane, O'Neill and Sludden who played little to no part in last year's run were highly impressive today and we have a good few important players to return so we're looking in a very good position.
Learnt nothing new today, Tyrone are still a decent well oiled team who are still somewhere between the 4th and 8th best team in the country. Derry have some good individuals and were reasonably well until the second goal went in and their heads dropped. Cavan or Armagh will provide a stiffer test.
On a side note it is incredible the stuff that Coldrick ignores when refereeing Ulster games, if that was a Leinster game there would have been a lot more frees and cards.
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on May 22, 2016, 04:13:18 PM
Learnt nothing new today, Tyrone are still a decent well oiled team who are still somewhere between the 4th and 8th best team in the country. Derry have some good individuals and were reasonably well until the second goal went in and their heads dropped. Cavan or Armagh will provide a stiffer test.
On a side note it is incredible the stuff that Coldrick ignores when refereeing Ulster games, if that was a Leinster game there would have been a lot more frees and cards.
What a pile of nonsense, Coldrick refereed that fairly, he called fouls which were fouls and although McKaigue's red card was a red card - a lot of referees would have bottled out of issuing the red, some of the free ins were soft.
The problem with Leinster football is that they haven't a notion how to tackle or defend.
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Hate saying it but Tyrone are serious contenders for this years AI title.
Based on?
Based on the last 12 months, from what I've seen myself and with the addition of a number of young players. I can see a Dublin v Tyrone AI final, for me they are Dublins main rivals this year.
Question - who have Tyrone beaten to be installed as Dublin's main rivals?
Is there anyone in there who are even among the dark horses for the championship?
(Monaghan who Tyrone beat last year at currently 40/1 shots)
Considering they played in div 2 it's not real a relevant question. Using last years AI semi final against Kerry as a yardstick there wasn't much between the 2 sides and Kerry are an ageing team whilst Tyrone are a young improving team.
Have Tyrone beaten Donegal, Cork, Kerry, Mayo or Dublin in the last 12 months? Where is the case for being so very over optimistic? Do you rate the teams in Division Two that much? Do you rate beating Derry by so much an accomplishment? Look Tyrone will be a handful for who ever they meet. But one day at a time before you talk of AI contenders.
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Learnt nothing new today, Tyrone are still a decent well oiled team who are still somewhere between the 4th and 8th best team in the country. Derry have some good individuals and were reasonably well until the second goal went in and their heads dropped. Cavan or Armagh will provide a stiffer test.
On a side note it is incredible the stuff that Coldrick ignores when refereeing Ulster games, if that was a Leinster game there would have been a lot more frees and cards.
What a pile of nonsense, Coldrick refereed that fairly, he called fouls which were fouls and although McKaigue's red card was a red card - a lot of referees would have bottled out of issuing the red, some of the free ins were soft.
The problem with Leinster football is that they haven't a notion how to tackle or defend.
Not a criticism of Ulster football, more an observation how Coldrick changes from his usually over fussy style when up there. A couple of incidents like the dropping of the knee on McCarron and the slap to Peter Harte's face right in front of him were ignored. In Leinster in an empty Croke Park he'd have taken action. Didn't have a bad game apart from that.
I'm well aware of Kildare's lack of tackling and defensive ability, their attempts at rectifying those issues resulted in the worst spectacle of a football game ever yesterday evening.
Coldrick isn't 'overly fussy'.
I think you're mixing him up with pretty much every other ref in the country.
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Hate saying it but Tyrone are serious contenders for this years AI title.
Based on?
Based on the last 12 months, from what I've seen myself and with the addition of a number of young players. I can see a Dublin v Tyrone AI final, for me they are Dublins main rivals this year.
Question - who have Tyrone beaten to be installed as Dublin's main rivals?
Is there anyone in there who are even among the dark horses for the championship?
(Monaghan who Tyrone beat last year at currently 40/1 shots)
Considering they played in div 2 it's not real a relevant question. Using last years AI semi final against Kerry as a yardstick there wasn't much between the 2 sides and Kerry are an ageing team whilst Tyrone are a young improving team.
Have Tyrone beaten Donegal, Cork, Kerry, Mayo or Dublin in the last 12 months? Where is the case for being so very over optimistic? Do you rate the teams in Division Two that much? Do you rate beating Derry by so much an accomplishment? Look Tyrone will be a handful for who ever they meet. But one day at a time before you talk of AI contenders.
How many All Ireland finals have Mayo won in the past 50 years?
Tyrone are quite rightly been talked of as AI contenders in the same manner as Kerry and Mayo are.
Dublin are clearly the team who are miles ahead of the rest.
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Learnt nothing new today, Tyrone are still a decent well oiled team who are still somewhere between the 4th and 8th best team in the country. Derry have some good individuals and were reasonably well until the second goal went in and their heads dropped. Cavan or Armagh will provide a stiffer test.
On a side note it is incredible the stuff that Coldrick ignores when refereeing Ulster games, if that was a Leinster game there would have been a lot more frees and cards.
What a pile of nonsense, Coldrick refereed that fairly, he called fouls which were fouls and although McKaigue's red card was a red card - a lot of referees would have bottled out of issuing the red, some of the free ins were soft.
The problem with Leinster football is that they haven't a notion how to tackle or defend.
Not a criticism of Ulster football, more an observation how Coldrick changes from his usually over fussy style when up there. A couple of incidents like the dropping of the knee on McCarron and the slap to Peter Harte's face right in front of him were ignored. In Leinster in an empty Croke Park he'd have taken action. Didn't have a bad game apart from that.
I'm well aware of Kildare's lack of tackling and defensive ability, their attempts at rectifying those issues resulted in the worst spectacle of a football game ever yesterday evening.
There were a lot of incidents he let go in last year's All Ireland final for instance.
There weren't much in the those incidents you pointed out, little niggly incidents happen in every game and Coldrick did a good job in letting the game develop today by using his common sense and I think he is one of the best referees around for that reason.
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Hate saying it but Tyrone are serious contenders for this years AI title.
Based on?
Based on the last 12 months, from what I've seen myself and with the addition of a number of young players. I can see a Dublin v Tyrone AI final, for me they are Dublins main rivals this year.
Question - who have Tyrone beaten to be installed as Dublin's main rivals?
Is there anyone in there who are even among the dark horses for the championship?
(Monaghan who Tyrone beat last year at currently 40/1 shots)
Considering they played in div 2 it's not real a relevant question. Using last years AI semi final against Kerry as a yardstick there wasn't much between the 2 sides and Kerry are an ageing team whilst Tyrone are a young improving team.
Have Tyrone beaten Donegal, Cork, Kerry, Mayo or Dublin in the last 12 months? Where is the case for being so very over optimistic? Do you rate the teams in Division Two that much? Do you rate beating Derry by so much an accomplishment? Look Tyrone will be a handful for who ever they meet. But one day at a time before you talk of AI contenders.
How many All Ireland finals have Mayo won in the past 50 years?
Tyrone are quite rightly been talked of as AI contenders in the same manner as Kerry and Mayo are.
Dublin are clearly the team who are miles ahead of the rest.
None is your answer to your Mayo question! In fact none in 60 years! But we are not talking about Mayo. Dublin are the team ahead of the rest! I am asking you what is your optimism based on? Give me a solid fact that puts you in the frame? A Ulster title? A national league title? Beating one of the teams named - Donegal, Cork, Kerry, Mayo or Dublin? Give me something that says this team are where you say they are. Once again - Look, this Tyrone side will be a handful for who ever they meet. But one day at a time before you talk of AI contenders.
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Hate saying it but Tyrone are serious contenders for this years AI title.
Based on?
Based on the last 12 months, from what I've seen myself and with the addition of a number of young players. I can see a Dublin v Tyrone AI final, for me they are Dublins main rivals this year.
Question - who have Tyrone beaten to be installed as Dublin's main rivals?
Is there anyone in there who are even among the dark horses for the championship?
(Monaghan who Tyrone beat last year at currently 40/1 shots)
Considering they played in div 2 it's not real a relevant question. Using last years AI semi final against Kerry as a yardstick there wasn't much between the 2 sides and Kerry are an ageing team whilst Tyrone are a young improving team.
Have Tyrone beaten Donegal, Cork, Kerry, Mayo or Dublin in the last 12 months? Where is the case for being so very over optimistic? Do you rate the teams in Division Two that much? Do you rate beating Derry by so much an accomplishment? Look Tyrone will be a handful for who ever they meet. But one day at a time before you talk of AI contenders.
I presume that you know the answer to your own question. I've already stated the case for Tyrone being AI contenders. They are an improving team unlike say Kerry and Donegal who are carrying a lot of veterans hoping for one last sting from a dying wasp. The reality is that the Dubs are out on their own but I'd rate Tyrone at least as good as any other team after that. As far as I know they will Void the Dubs until the final and if they get there they will have no inferiority complex.
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Hate saying it but Tyrone are serious contenders for this years AI title.
Based on?
Based on the last 12 months, from what I've seen myself and with the addition of a number of young players. I can see a Dublin v Tyrone AI final, for me they are Dublins main rivals this year.
Question - who have Tyrone beaten to be installed as Dublin's main rivals?
Is there anyone in there who are even among the dark horses for the championship?
(Monaghan who Tyrone beat last year at currently 40/1 shots)
Considering they played in div 2 it's not real a relevant question. Using last years AI semi final against Kerry as a yardstick there wasn't much between the 2 sides and Kerry are an ageing team whilst Tyrone are a young improving team.
Have Tyrone beaten Donegal, Cork, Kerry, Mayo or Dublin in the last 12 months? Where is the case for being so very over optimistic? Do you rate the teams in Division Two that much? Do you rate beating Derry by so much an accomplishment? Look Tyrone will be a handful for who ever they meet. But one day at a time before you talk of AI contenders.
I presume that you know the answer to your own question. I've already stated the case for Tyrone being AI contenders. They are an improving team unlike say Kerry and Donegal who are carrying a lot of veterans hoping for one last sting from a dying wasp. The reality is that the Dubs are out on their own but I'd rate Tyrone at least as good as any other team after that. As far as I know they will Void the Dubs until the final and if they get there they will have no inferiority complex.
And them getting to the final is based on what previous result? Name one game in the last two years that says Tyrone will be in the AI Final this year?
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Hate saying it but Tyrone are serious contenders for this years AI title.
Based on?
Based on the last 12 months, from what I've seen myself and with the addition of a number of young players. I can see a Dublin v Tyrone AI final, for me they are Dublins main rivals this year.
Question - who have Tyrone beaten to be installed as Dublin's main rivals?
Is there anyone in there who are even among the dark horses for the championship?
(Monaghan who Tyrone beat last year at currently 40/1 shots)
Considering they played in div 2 it's not real a relevant question. Using last years AI semi final against Kerry as a yardstick there wasn't much between the 2 sides and Kerry are an ageing team whilst Tyrone are a young improving team.
Have Tyrone beaten Donegal, Cork, Kerry, Mayo or Dublin in the last 12 months? Where is the case for being so very over optimistic? Do you rate the teams in Division Two that much? Do you rate beating Derry by so much an accomplishment? Look Tyrone will be a handful for who ever they meet. But one day at a time before you talk of AI contenders.
How many All Ireland finals have Mayo won in the past 50 years?
Tyrone are quite rightly been talked of as AI contenders in the same manner as Kerry and Mayo are.
Dublin are clearly the team who are miles ahead of the rest.
None is your answer to your Mayo question! In fact none in 60 years! But we are not talking about Mayo. Dublin are the team ahead of the rest! I am asking you what is your optimism based on? Give me a solid fact that puts you in the frame? A Ulster title? A national league title? Beating one of the teams named - Donegal, Cork, Kerry, Mayo or Dublin? Give me something that says this team are where you say they are. Once again - Look, this Tyrone side will be a handful for who ever they meet. But one day at a time before you talk of AI contenders.
Who are AI contenders?
Dublin?
As far as I'm concerned, Dublin are out there on their own, they are the clear favourites for this All Ireland and should retain it again this year.
But as far as the rest of the teams out there then Tyrone stand as good a chance as the rest of them. We have a young team that seem to be improving at an encouraging pace and have reached two AI semi-finals in the past three seasons.
Mayo, Donegal and Kerry team have been around for a few years now and if anything they seem to be going back the way - certainly the case with the latter two, whatever about Mayo.
You seem to have a bee in your bonnet about Tyrone being viewed as an equivalent or bigger threat to Dublin than Mayo and Kerry.
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Hate saying it but Tyrone are serious contenders for this years AI title.
Based on?
Based on the last 12 months, from what I've seen myself and with the addition of a number of young players. I can see a Dublin v Tyrone AI final, for me they are Dublins main rivals this year.
Question - who have Tyrone beaten to be installed as Dublin's main rivals?
Is there anyone in there who are even among the dark horses for the championship?
(Monaghan who Tyrone beat last year at currently 40/1 shots)
Considering they played in div 2 it's not real a relevant question. Using last years AI semi final against Kerry as a yardstick there wasn't much between the 2 sides and Kerry are an ageing team whilst Tyrone are a young improving team.
Have Tyrone beaten Donegal, Cork, Kerry, Mayo or Dublin in the last 12 months? Where is the case for being so very over optimistic? Do you rate the teams in Division Two that much? Do you rate beating Derry by so much an accomplishment? Look Tyrone will be a handful for who ever they meet. But one day at a time before you talk of AI contenders.
I presume that you know the answer to your own question. I've already stated the case for Tyrone being AI contenders. They are an improving team unlike say Kerry and Donegal who are carrying a lot of veterans hoping for one last sting from a dying wasp. The reality is that the Dubs are out on their own but I'd rate Tyrone at least as good as any other team after that. As far as I know they will Void the Dubs until the final and if they get there they will have no inferiority complex.
And them getting to the final is based on what previous result? Name one game in the last two years that says Tyrone will be in the AI Final this year?
All Ireland's aren't won on the basis on prior performances in the past two years.
This maybe is the problem with Mayo's mentality.
They base their chances on winning a championship based on their performance in the last couple of years.
So considering that, you'd have to say if thats where they are mentally going into a championship, they've done pretty well over the years!
I don't see why Tyrone men would care if they are considered among the favourites or not by pundits or other supporters.
Its not going to affect what happens on the pitch in any meaningful way (or at least it shouldn't under a man like Mickey Harte).
(Impressive stuff today, BTW. Definite favourites for Ulster - although so were we after destroying Armagh last year! :P)
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Hate saying it but Tyrone are serious contenders for this years AI title.
Based on?
Based on the last 12 months, from what I've seen myself and with the addition of a number of young players. I can see a Dublin v Tyrone AI final, for me they are Dublins main rivals this year.
Question - who have Tyrone beaten to be installed as Dublin's main rivals?
Is there anyone in there who are even among the dark horses for the championship?
(Monaghan who Tyrone beat last year at currently 40/1 shots)
Considering they played in div 2 it's not real a relevant question. Using last years AI semi final against Kerry as a yardstick there wasn't much between the 2 sides and Kerry are an ageing team whilst Tyrone are a young improving team.
Have Tyrone beaten Donegal, Cork, Kerry, Mayo or Dublin in the last 12 months? Where is the case for being so very over optimistic? Do you rate the teams in Division Two that much? Do you rate beating Derry by so much an accomplishment? Look Tyrone will be a handful for who ever they meet. But one day at a time before you talk of AI contenders.
I presume that you know the answer to your own question. I've already stated the case for Tyrone being AI contenders. They are an improving team unlike say Kerry and Donegal who are carrying a lot of veterans hoping for one last sting from a dying wasp. The reality is that the Dubs are out on their own but I'd rate Tyrone at least as good as any other team after that. As far as I know they will Void the Dubs until the final and if they get there they will have no inferiority complex.
And them getting to the final is based on what previous result? Name one game in the last two years that says Tyrone will be in the AI Final this year?
Last years semi final against Kerry told me enough, there is one.
Throne are unlikely to be featuring in September
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I don't see why Tyrone men would care if they are considered among the favourites or not by pundits or other supporters.
Its not going to affect what happens on the pitch in any meaningful way (or at least it shouldn't under a man like Mickey Harte).
(Impressive stuff today, BTW. Definite favourites for Ulster - although so were we after destroying Armagh last year! :P)
Doesn't really bother me either way, actually the more people don't take us seriously the more ammo there is for the team.
I just find the incredulous reaction that Tyrone are as big a threat to Dublin as Mayo or Kerry are from a Mayo man very strange and I think that sort of psyche might in itself be revealing.
Tyrone are zero threat to Dublin, zilch not a hope. The only team that will beat Dublin is Dublin and no Ulster team would be good enough to take advantage.
As a matter of interest, when was the last time Dublin Bate Tyrone, in any competition?
National league final 2 years ago.
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Hate saying it but Tyrone are serious contenders for this years AI title.
Based on?
Based on the last 12 months, from what I've seen myself and with the addition of a number of young players. I can see a Dublin v Tyrone AI final, for me they are Dublins main rivals this year.
Question - who have Tyrone beaten to be installed as Dublin's main rivals?
Is there anyone in there who are even among the dark horses for the championship?
(Monaghan who Tyrone beat last year at currently 40/1 shots)
Considering they played in div 2 it's not real a relevant question. Using last years AI semi final against Kerry as a yardstick there wasn't much between the 2 sides and Kerry are an ageing team whilst Tyrone are a young improving team.
Have Tyrone beaten Donegal, Cork, Kerry, Mayo or Dublin in the last 12 months? Where is the case for being so very over optimistic? Do you rate the teams in Division Two that much? Do you rate beating Derry by so much an accomplishment? Look Tyrone will be a handful for who ever they meet. But one day at a time before you talk of AI contenders.
I presume that you know the answer to your own question. I've already stated the case for Tyrone being AI contenders. They are an improving team unlike say Kerry and Donegal who are carrying a lot of veterans hoping for one last sting from a dying wasp. The reality is that the Dubs are out on their own but I'd rate Tyrone at least as good as any other team after that. As far as I know they will Void the Dubs until the final and if they get there they will have no inferiority complex.
And them getting to the final is based on what previous result? Name one game in the last two years that says Tyrone will be in the AI Final this year?
Last years semi final against Kerry told me enough, there is one.
A loss to Kerry. You are taking a moral victory as a basis? God I thought Mayo supporters were blinded by over optimism. Look get Ulster won first. Then we'll have a look at you!
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1. Thomas Mallon (An Lúb)
2. OisÃn Duffy (Forghleann)
3. Brendan Rogers (Sleacht Néill)
4. Karl McKaigue (Sleacht Néill)
5. Kevin Johnston (Dún Geimhin)
6. Chrissy McKaigue (Sleacht Néill)
7. Gareth McKinless (Baile an Doire)
8. Niall Holly (Eoghan Rua)
9. Daniel Heavron (Machaire FÃolta)
10. Shane Heavron (Machaire FÃolta)
11. James Kielt (Cill Ria)
12. Ciarán McFaul (Gleann)
13. Niall Toner (Leamhaigh)
14. Emmett McGuckin (Machaire FÃolta)
15. Mark Lynch (Beannchar)
16. Conor McLernon (Machaire FÃolta)
17. Dermot McBride (Baile na Scrine)
18. Gerard O'Kane (Gleann an Iolair)
19. Neil Forester (Baile StÃl)
20. Liam McGoldrick (Eoghan Rua)
21. Ryan Bell (Baile an Doire)
22. Cailean O'Boyle (Leamhaigh)
23. Emmett Bradley (Gleann)
24. Conor McAtamney (Suaitreach)
25. Eoghan Brown (Baile Eachaidh)
26. Christopher Bradley (Sleacht Néill)
Cad is bri le Suaitreach ? Lovely name . Must be very old. Swatragh means nothing like most translations of logainmneacha
Even in my life time the Irish version of Swatragh has changed from Baile an tSuaitrigh to Baile an tSuaitreach to Suaitreach. The general belief is that the name means the townland of the (billeted) soldier, mostly likely a Scandanavian soldier. I'm not sure if Suaitreach was a given name or means hired Scandanavian soldier. But you're right, the old placenames are class.
Great day to be a Tyronie,humiliating them in their own backyard and beating them for the 5th time this season ;D ;D
Can we play you every week?
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1. Thomas Mallon (An Lúb)
2. OisÃn Duffy (Forghleann)
3. Brendan Rogers (Sleacht Néill)
4. Karl McKaigue (Sleacht Néill)
5. Kevin Johnston (Dún Geimhin)
6. Chrissy McKaigue (Sleacht Néill)
7. Gareth McKinless (Baile an Doire)
8. Niall Holly (Eoghan Rua)
9. Daniel Heavron (Machaire FÃolta)
10. Shane Heavron (Machaire FÃolta)
11. James Kielt (Cill Ria)
12. Ciarán McFaul (Gleann)
13. Niall Toner (Leamhaigh)
14. Emmett McGuckin (Machaire FÃolta)
15. Mark Lynch (Beannchar)
16. Conor McLernon (Machaire FÃolta)
17. Dermot McBride (Baile na Scrine)
18. Gerard O'Kane (Gleann an Iolair)
19. Neil Forester (Baile StÃl)
20. Liam McGoldrick (Eoghan Rua)
21. Ryan Bell (Baile an Doire)
22. Cailean O'Boyle (Leamhaigh)
23. Emmett Bradley (Gleann)
24. Conor McAtamney (Suaitreach)
25. Eoghan Brown (Baile Eachaidh)
26. Christopher Bradley (Sleacht Néill)
Cad is bri le Suaitreach ? Lovely name . Must be very old. Swatragh means nothing like most translations of logainmneacha
Even in my life time the Irish version of Swatragh has changed from Baile an tSuaitrigh to Baile an tSuaitreach to Suaitreach. The general belief is that the name means the townland of the (billeted) soldier, mostly likely a Scandanavian soldier. I'm not sure if Suaitreach was a given name or means hired Scandanavian soldier. But you're right, the old placenames are class.
GRMA
Derry were shite as were Antrim last week,and the two best teams in Ulster have yet to enter the fray.Ulster Championship competitive? Don't make me laugh
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Derry were shite as were Antrim last week,and the two best teams in Ulster have yet to enter the fray.Ulster Championship competitive? Don't make me laugh
Pick who's going to win it then Tony and we will get back to you in July.
You do understand that "competitive" means difficult to win, rather can every competitor having a chance to win, don't you?
Monaghan or Donegal will beat Tyrone in the Final.Seems to me that Ulster like Munster and Connacht has only two potential winners and like every other province there are serious mismatches.
I don't know what club football is like in Derry but if that FB line is the best available in the county the stanardust be awful. Would have been better sitting in the stands. Would have got a better view than standing on the pitch looking at the Tyrone players take score after score
It has 3. Monaghan,donegal and tyrone.
Connacht, unless something has drastically changed this year, only has one and munster has two.
Cavan could give some teams their fill of it too i suspect and maybe armagh though we will see on them.
Derry have been very poor for a while.
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Derry were shite as were Antrim last week,and the two best teams in Ulster have yet to enter the fray.Ulster Championship competitive? Don't make me laugh
Tyrone are very good though. That was impressive today. It's irrelevant really the destination of the Ulster Championship. It's all about getting to the last 8 and Tyrone will be there. Monaghan and Donegal can work away with the Ulster title because neither side would beat Dublin.
However Tyrone just might. To me only Tyrone and Mayo are equipped to beat Dublin. the rest aren't and that includes Kerry
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I don't know what club football is like in Derry but if that FB line is the best available in the county the stanardust be awful. Would have been better sitting in the stands. Would have got a better view than standing on the pitch looking at the Tyrone players take score after score
Its poor. Ballinderry dominated it for years with slaughneil now taking over that mantle. i actually think derry are doing ok. There are a solid div 2 team and after Tyrone, donegal and Monaghan may be 4/5 in Ulster. The players just aren't good enough
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Derry were shite as were Antrim last week,and the two best teams in Ulster have yet to enter the fray.Ulster Championship competitive? Don't make me laugh
Tyrone are very good though. That was impressive today. It's irrelevant really the destination of the Ulster Championship. It's all about getting to the last 8 and Tyrone will be there. Monaghan and Donegal can work away with the Ulster title because neither side would beat Dublin.
However Tyrone just might. To me only Tyrone and Mayo are equipped to beat Dublin. the rest aren't and that includes Kerry
Don't write off Kerry just yet! They have key players to come back and their Media gurus have started playing their usual games already. Plámás O Se was at it lately with his '
Scumbags' remark.
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Derry were shite as were Antrim last week,and the two best teams in Ulster have yet to enter the fray.Ulster Championship competitive? Don't make me laugh
Tyrone are very good though. That was impressive today. It's irrelevant really the destination of the Ulster Championship. It's all about getting to the last 8 and Tyrone will be there. Monaghan and Donegal can work away with the Ulster title because neither side would beat Dublin.
However Tyrone just might. To me only Tyrone and Mayo are equipped to beat Dublin. the rest aren't and that includes Kerry
Yeah despite Derry being crap today Tyrone didn't even get out of second gear. They can play much better than this if pushed and I'd say they'll win Ulster easily as well as doing well in the last eight.
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Hate saying it but Tyrone are serious contenders for this years AI title.
Based on?
Based on the last 12 months, from what I've seen myself and with the addition of a number of young players. I can see a Dublin v Tyrone AI final, for me they are Dublins main rivals this year.
Question - who have Tyrone beaten to be installed as Dublin's main rivals?
Is there anyone in there who are even among the dark horses for the championship?
(Monaghan who Tyrone beat last year at currently 40/1 shots)
Considering they played in div 2 it's not real a relevant question. Using last years AI semi final against Kerry as a yardstick there wasn't much between the 2 sides and Kerry are an ageing team whilst Tyrone are a young improving team.
Have Tyrone beaten Donegal, Cork, Kerry, Mayo or Dublin in the last 12 months? Where is the case for being so very over optimistic? Do you rate the teams in Division Two that much? Do you rate beating Derry by so much an accomplishment? Look Tyrone will be a handful for who ever they meet. But one day at a time before you talk of AI contenders.
I presume that you know the answer to your own question. I've already stated the case for Tyrone being AI contenders. They are an improving team unlike say Kerry and Donegal who are carrying a lot of veterans hoping for one last sting from a dying wasp. The reality is that the Dubs are out on their own but I'd rate Tyrone at least as good as any other team after that. As far as I know they will Void the Dubs until the final and if they get there they will have no inferiority complex.
And them getting to the final is based on what previous result? Name one game in the last two years that says Tyrone will be in the AI Final this year?
Last years semi final against Kerry told me enough, there is one.
A loss to Kerry. You are taking a moral victory as a basis? God I thought Mayo supporters were blinded by over optimism. Look get Ulster won first. Then we'll have a look at you!
Predictable reply. You asked for a match and I give my opinion. You don't agree with me, that's fine, but I don't know why you are getting all upset at me stating that I think Tyrone are AI contenders. So it because you see it as s slight against Mayos chances that somehow it has hit a nerve?? By the way I don't even like Tyrone so I've no interest in seeing them do well.
Poor game for the neutral (and Derry) supporter today. On the upside, I managed to avoid any of the RTE "analysis"
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 22, 2016, 06:15:06 PM
Tyrone are zero threat to Dublin, zilch not a hope. The only team that will beat Dublin is Dublin and no Ulster team would be good enough to take advantage.
I think that was said 2 years ago too.
What were Donegal before that game? 10/1?
If there's a team to do the job that other counties shit their pants at, then it's going to be an Ulster team.
Haven't seen it mentioned here. Was there any mention of the two attempted rugby tackles on McNulty when he got his point?
Glad to see Tyrone not reacting to the Derry indiscipline in the second half as that has been a problem in the past. Disappointed in the sloppy second half shooting and continuing lack of consistent freetaker.
I seen those tackles alright, by the look of them Derry couldnt even execute those either
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Haven't seen it mentioned here. Was there any mention of the two attempted rugby tackles on McNulty when he got his point?
Glad to see Tyrone not reacting to the Derry indiscipline in the second half as that has been a problem in the past. Disappointed in the sloppy second half shooting and continuing lack of consistent freetaker.
There definitely seemed to be a few attempts to get under McCarron's skin. James Kielt went out of his way at one stage to shout some verbals in McCarron's ear when he was on the ground after getting a free which seemed to visibly annoy him.
Overall the game seemed to be played in a good spirit, few niggly slaps and digs but that goes with the territory. Was really expecting Derry to come at us with a bang but it was a timid and gutless fight which surprised me.
I know there is a lot of pessimism there with regards the players but I honestly don't think the players available to them are that bad, Barton seems utterly clueless and I think in hindsight, McIver was probably poorly treated by the Derry footballing public. He had them difficult to beat and if some of the players had shown a bit more commitment and passion they could have challenged for some Ulster titles.
Mark Lynch waving an imaginary yellow card was disgraceful too.
And to think a few people called me ridiculous earlier in this thread for saying Tyrone would win by at least 8 points! ;D
That was as tame a submission from a Derry side in my time. Especially at home. If Tyrone played them 10 times, they'd beat them 10 times. I knew Derry were struggling but I thought, at home, they'd up the physical stakes to make up for it. Nothing.
Nothing to learn from that today. Too easy to tell whether Tyrone are closer to challenging Kerry/Dublin/Mayo after that.
Sludden and Harte played well.
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on May 22, 2016, 10:16:20 PM
Mark Lynch waving an imaginary yellow card was disgraceful too.
Indeed that was disgraceful, I felt that one in the pit of my stomach.
Derry were so bad they made Tyrone appear sporting and justifiably indignant about the unsporting antics of the opposition.
That must be a first?
That was one surreal half time interview (BBCNI) with some member of the Derry management team just before the resumption of play.
Monty Pythonesgue, "only a flesh wound" in reply to "how bad was that first half?"
Hard to believe the Cavanagh shimmy is still successful, 13 years on.
Just seeing it now - tetchy interview before the game by Barton. Not sure what his motivational spakes would be like.
Bit of singing in the crowd too. Long time since that was heard.
That was the first time i have attended a Derry Tyrone championship match were the crowd remained almost silent for most of the second half you could hear clearly the players talking to each other. Derry looked and played like a division 4 side. You would need to question the preperation of Barton. That was totally pathetic.....
Wasn't able to watch the game but saw the iceberg coming and so it prevailed!
We don't have the players and from what I can see the tactical ability on the line to compete at this level. Add to that a mass exodus of players the last while and you can see what happened today.
The unfortunate thing with a humiliation like that is it makes lads not want to play for the County I mean what is the point of putting in all that time and effort for Tyrone to beat you like that? The least we should have done was set up the way we did against Dublin last year and try and limit the damage.
Difficult to see how we come back from this I think we need a Jim McGuinness type character to pull the thing together and we have a few decent younger players who will be available in 3/4 years so its not all doom and gloom but we need the right mam at the helm.
As a mate of mine said a Malachy O'Rourke team wouldn't be that tactically naive and we could have had him only the CB were too stingey!
On Tyrone nothing has changed really it's between them Monaghan and Donegal for Ulster, Monaghan have Donegal's number, Tyrone have Monaghans number and Donegal have Tyrones number so it will be interesting to see how it pans out.
Based on today there is still no evidence Tyrone would challenge Dublin we were f**king awful but I think they would be 50/50 against Kerry or Mayo.
Barton and Derry got off extremely light on the Sunday game tonight given the abject performance of his team. They played with the intensity of a McKenna cup game and Tyrone will have tougher in house matches than that match today.
PS. Well done to the Minors by all accounts they were outstanding against a heavily fancied Tyrone team great stuff McErlean is working wonders there!!
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Mark Lynch waving an imaginary yellow card was disgraceful too.
Indeed that was disgraceful, I felt that one in the pit of my stomach.
Derry were so bad they made Tyrone appear sporting and justifiably indignant about the unsporting antics of the opposition.
That must be a first?
That was one surreal half time interview (BBCNI) with some member of the Derry management team just before the resumption of play.
Monty Pythonesgue, "only a flesh wound" in reply to "how bad was that first half?"
There was an absolutely disgusting cynical piece of cheating yesterday in the second half from peter donnelly which I'm surprised nobody else has picked up on. He did a diego simeone impression by kicking a ball on to the pitch to try to disrupt a derry attack. Derry had just acored 4 in a row and although tyrone were still 8 up and in control donnelly was getting frustrated along the line. Derry were attacking along the stand side and donnelly kicked a ball from his position on the terracing side right out to the middle of the pitch about 30 yards out from the tyrone goal. If derrys attack had continued the ref would have had to stop the play with another ball on the pitch. There was a foul though near the stand side and as derry were awarded a free sludden kicked the spare ball back to the umpire. It was an incident that I hope was picked up because donnelly deserves a good suspension from a blatant piece of cheating.
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Mark Lynch waving an imaginary yellow card was disgraceful too.
Indeed that was disgraceful, I felt that one in the pit of my stomach.
Derry were so bad they made Tyrone appear sporting and justifiably indignant about the unsporting antics of the opposition.
That must be a first?
That was one surreal half time interview (BBCNI) with some member of the Derry management team just before the resumption of play.
Monty Pythonesgue, "only a flesh wound" in reply to "how bad was that first half?"
There was an absolutely disgusting cynical piece of cheating yesterday in the second half from peter donnelly which I'm surprised nobody else has picked up on. He did a diego simeone impression by kicking a ball on to the pitch to try to disrupt a derry attack. Derry had just acored 4 in a row and although tyrone were still 8 up and in control donnelly was getting frustrated along the line. Derry were attacking along the stand side and donnelly kicked a ball from his position on the terracing side right out to the middle of the pitch about 30 yards out from the tyrone goal. If derrys attack had continued the ref would have had to stop the play with another ball on the pitch. There was a foul though near the stand side and as derry were awarded a free sludden kicked the spare ball back to the umpire. It was an incident that I hope was picked up because donnelly deserves a good suspension from a blatant piece of cheating.
Isn't that awful?
Did you get yourself worked into a frenzy over it?
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Mark Lynch waving an imaginary yellow card was disgraceful too.
Indeed that was disgraceful, I felt that one in the pit of my stomach.
Derry were so bad they made Tyrone appear sporting and justifiably indignant about the unsporting antics of the opposition.
That must be a first?
That was one surreal half time interview (BBCNI) with some member of the Derry management team just before the resumption of play.
Monty Pythonesgue, "only a flesh wound" in reply to "how bad was that first half?"
There was an absolutely disgusting cynical piece of cheating yesterday in the second half from peter donnelly which I'm surprised nobody else has picked up on. He did a diego simeone impression by kicking a ball on to the pitch to try to disrupt a derry attack. Derry had just acored 4 in a row and although tyrone were still 8 up and in control donnelly was getting frustrated along the line. Derry were attacking along the stand side and donnelly kicked a ball from his position on the terracing side right out to the middle of the pitch about 30 yards out from the tyrone goal. If derrys attack had continued the ref would have had to stop the play with another ball on the pitch. There was a foul though near the stand side and as derry were awarded a free sludden kicked the spare ball back to the umpire. It was an incident that I hope was picked up because donnelly deserves a good suspension from a blatant piece of cheating.
Isn't that awful?
Did you get yourself worked into a frenzy over it?
Not at all. The game was over so nobody in the terraces got overly annoyed. It is interesting that you should be so content with tyrones backroom team engaging in this sort of cynicism even when they obviously had the game won so comfortably. What would he not do in a tight game v donegal? It's funny also how some people are disgusted by the behaviour of cheats and other people see it as something to be admired and copied. Donnelly obviously saw diego simeone do it and thought that was something he could use and add to the Tyrone tactics.
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Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on May 22, 2016, 10:16:20 PM
Mark Lynch waving an imaginary yellow card was disgraceful too.
Indeed that was disgraceful, I felt that one in the pit of my stomach.
Derry were so bad they made Tyrone appear sporting and justifiably indignant about the unsporting antics of the opposition.
That must be a first?
That was one surreal half time interview (BBCNI) with some member of the Derry management team just before the resumption of play.
Monty Pythonesgue, "only a flesh wound" in reply to "how bad was that first half?"
There was an absolutely disgusting cynical piece of cheating yesterday in the second half from peter donnelly which I'm surprised nobody else has picked up on. He did a diego simeone impression by kicking a ball on to the pitch to try to disrupt a derry attack. Derry had just acored 4 in a row and although tyrone were still 8 up and in control donnelly was getting frustrated along the line. Derry were attacking along the stand side and donnelly kicked a ball from his position on the terracing side right out to the middle of the pitch about 30 yards out from the tyrone goal. If derrys attack had continued the ref would have had to stop the play with another ball on the pitch. There was a foul though near the stand side and as derry were awarded a free sludden kicked the spare ball back to the umpire. It was an incident that I hope was picked up because donnelly deserves a good suspension from a blatant piece of cheating.
Things happen in the heat of battle that I'm sure anyone involved aren't too proud of afterwards. Didn't see the Donnelly incident but obviously seen big Marks.. Jeez, some boys are wetting themselves. It's not a nice sight to see a man wave an imaginary card, it's one of my bugbears in football. it was pure frustration on the big man's part. Anyone who has played for or against big Lynch will a test to his fair play (99.9% of the time). Very much out of character
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Mark Lynch waving an imaginary yellow card was disgraceful too.
Indeed that was disgraceful, I felt that one in the pit of my stomach.
Derry were so bad they made Tyrone appear sporting and justifiably indignant about the unsporting antics of the opposition.
That must be a first?
That was one surreal half time interview (BBCNI) with some member of the Derry management team just before the resumption of play.
Monty Pythonesgue, "only a flesh wound" in reply to "how bad was that first half?"
There was an absolutely disgusting cynical piece of cheating yesterday in the second half from peter donnelly which I'm surprised nobody else has picked up on. He did a diego simeone impression by kicking a ball on to the pitch to try to disrupt a derry attack. Derry had just acored 4 in a row and although tyrone were still 8 up and in control donnelly was getting frustrated along the line. Derry were attacking along the stand side and donnelly kicked a ball from his position on the terracing side right out to the middle of the pitch about 30 yards out from the tyrone goal. If derrys attack had continued the ref would have had to stop the play with another ball on the pitch. There was a foul though near the stand side and as derry were awarded a free sludden kicked the spare ball back to the umpire. It was an incident that I hope was picked up because donnelly deserves a good suspension from a blatant piece of cheating.
Isn't that awful?
Did you get yourself worked into a frenzy over it?
Not at all. The game was over so nobody in the terraces got overly annoyed. It is interesting that you should be so content with tyrones backroom team engaging in this sort of cynicism even when they obviously had the game won so comfortably. What would he not do in a tight game v donegal? It's funny also how some people are disgusted by the behaviour of cheats and other people see it as something to be admired and copied. Donnelly obviously saw diego simeone do it and thought that was something he could use and add to the Tyrone tactics.
I'd worry first about your own side's cheating and your clown of a manager trying to play the media in the months coming up to this meeting before his charges went out with a whimper.
Even from a Tyrone point of view I was strangely disappointed in the Derry performance yesterday.
I went to the game looking forward to a hard fought championship encounter in the charged atmosphere of Celtic part, but in truth the game was over as a contest after 20 minutes and completely out of sight at half time.
Derry actually had huge amount of possession, but if was so slow and laboured in the build up it was never even going to put a dent in the Tyrone defensive line. They were relying on the likes of Lynch and Kielt kicking wonder scores from distance to keep in touch and over the course of 70 minutes that was never really going to be sustainable. Compared to the speed to the Tyrone counter attacks, Derry looked like a team with absolutely no pace in it anywhere on the field.
There were a few niggly incidents, but nothing out of the ordinary for a championship game and I thought Coldrick dealt with it well over all. I don't think there can be too many complaints about either sending off.
Even though it was a good team performance, its difficult to pick out and real star performers for Tyrone.
Obviously Ronan O'Niells 2-2 in the first half effectively ended the game, he was very very quiet in the second half.
Mattie Donnelly and Colm Cavanagh put in solid shifts around the middle and a few of the new guys like Sludden, Richie Donnelly & McShane all did themselves no harm at all.
The most impressive thing about Tyrone was how organised they were and how disciplined they where in the tackle.
Derry could have played till next week and still not got a goal against that Tyrone side set up like that.
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Even from a Tyrone point of view I was strangely disappointed in the Derry performance yesterday.
I went to the game looking forward to a hard fought championship encounter in the charged atmosphere of Celtic part, but in truth the game was over as a contest after 20 minutes and completely out of sight at half time.
Derry actually had huge amount of possession, but if was so slow and laboured in the build up it was never even going to put a dent in the Tyrone defensive line. They were relying on the likes of Lynch and Kielt kicking wonder scores from distance to keep in touch and over the course of 70 minutes that was never really going to be sustainable. Compared to the speed to the Tyrone counter attacks, Derry looked like a team with absolutely no pace in it anywhere on the field.
There were a few niggly incidents, but nothing out of the ordinary for a championship game and I thought Coldrick dealt with it well over all. I don't think there can be too many complaints about either sending off.
Even though it was a good team performance, its difficult to pick out and real star performers for Tyrone.
Obviously Ronan O'Niells 2-2 in the first half effectively ended the game, he was very very quiet in the second half.
Mattie Donnelly and Colm Cavanagh put in solid shifts around the middle and a few of the new guys like Sludden, Richie Donnelly & McShane all did themselves no harm at all.
The most impressive thing about Tyrone was how organised they were and how disciplined they where in the tackle.
Derry could have played till next week and still not got a goal against that Tyrone side set up like that.
Thought the same too. There was no one to really show something exceptional yesterday. O'Neills 2-2 stands out and probably merited the MOTM on that alone.
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Hard to believe the Cavanagh shimmy is still successful, 13 years on.
Just seeing it now - tetchy interview before the game by Barton. Not sure what his motivational spakes would be like.
Bit of singing in the crowd too. Long time since that was heard.
The Castlederg boys were on the banter juice early!
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Mark Lynch waving an imaginary yellow card was disgraceful too.
How did you know it was yellow?
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Mark Lynch waving an imaginary yellow card was disgraceful too.
How did you know it was yellow?
I lol'ed
Good point.
Would waving an imaginary red or black by any better (or worse) ?
Yesterday's senior game was an absolute embarrassment to all involved for Derry. It was a contest for about 18mins. Derry seemed to get over the first goal and had brought themselves back into the game, but no lessons were learned. Once the second goal went in the game was over as a contest and the third goal just put the tin hat on the whole thing.
The naivety that Derry showed in both defence and attack was shocking. Leaving defenders isolated one on one in acres of space is not something that happens any more in Junior club games let alone Senior Inter-county matches. Carrying the ball forward slowly to the opposition 45 and handpassing the ball across and back and forwards is something that Derry have done for the last 6/7 years without any success and yet nothing changes.
There was no quick interchange from defence to attack. Everything was done slowly. Contrast that with Tyrone and the sharpness and speed of thought and attack was unreal. Example was a sideline ball (stand side) with about 10mins to go. Two Tyrone men and One Derry man scrapping for the ball and the moment it went over the line, the ball was picked up and immediately transferred 40 yards down the pitch to a runner who was already away on the attack. If it happened the other way, a Derry man would have picked up the ball, looked around, wait on a another player who would saunter over to the sideline to take the kick, he would then wait another 30 seconds so that Tyrone could get themselves organised before hitting an aimless high ball into the arms of a waiting Tyrone player.
Derry didn't even give Coldrick that much to do. Both the red cards were justified. I thought Tyrone got their frees handier going into contact, in the first half, but that is experience and knowledge.
I thought Tyrone would really go at it in the second half to really destroy this Derry side, which is what the Dubs would have done, but they didn't and the second have strangely finished 6points apiece. Tyrone will have learned absolutely nothing from the game. This will give them no real prep for the future (playing top teams). Even the semi-final will be against a team that played Div 2 this year.
Not sure what was going on with Lynch and the imaginary card, not something that anyone wants to see. Similarly, Cavanagh's actions when he was hit by McKaigue were unnecessary. Cavanagh Jr probably was lucky to escape a booking after his initial challenge, before the incident, as he had committed an equally cynical foul about 5mins before that.
Where to now for Derry? There will be a number of people who would love nothing more than a tough qualifier draw and for Derry to disappear for the rest of the year, so that club football can take over. But there will be others within the county that will be hoping for progress through the qualifiers, I don't know which one would be better in the long run.
Hugely disappointed by Derry's impotent challenge yesterday. After the minor game I got a feeling in the pit of my stomach that we were going to wobble and lose a tight, hard-hitting slugfest. As we now know, it turned into the most facile win I can ever remember (revenge for '97?) Do any of you Derry lads have the inside scoop from the Derry camp? Surely things aren't good if the team's fight is that poor, and that's not even factoring in the four defeats already this season. Is there faith in Barton?
The game itself came down to three simple things; organisation, speed and fitness. The movement up the pitch when we won possession was a sight to behold and when possession was turned over, the commitment and organisation to get back in place, defensively, was superb. As the post match analysis pointed out (can't remember if it was on BBC or RTE) you could clearly hear 'set-up' be roared out by the defenders and without fail the screen was in place around the '45. Now this system isn't rocket science but what makes it more effective and easier on the eye compared to that borefest in Croke park on Saturday is the speed we break out at and the fitness levels to maintain this for the duration of the 70 minutes. This system stalled on us 3-4 years ago as we didn't have the players/age profile/fitness levels to operate it at the breakneck speed required but the injection of youth and increased awareness amongst the younger lads appears to be really reaping dividends.
Now I am not saying we are genuine AI contenders just yet but I don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility that we could make another AI semi and after that, who knows?
I didn't get a programme yesterday but I'd be interested in working out our average age and how that compares to other sides in the top 8, my best guess for us would be...
Mickey O'Neill 26 (could be way off here)
McCrory 29
McNamee 24
McCarron 28
McCann 22
Sludden 22
Harte 24
C Cavanagh 29
M Donnelly 24
McShane 21
Bradley 22
R Donnelly 22
McAliskey 25
S Cavanagh 33
O'Neill 24
Subs
McCury 24
McNulty 23
Munroe 22
McGeary 22
Hampsey 22
Open to correction here (could all be wrong!) but that would leave an approx. average for all 14 outfield players at just below 25 and all five subs had an average age of approx. 22.5. Not a bad profile at all.
Well done to all the lads and great to see young Ronan bagging 2-02. If we can get him as prolific as his minor days we really could have a FF line to do damage later in the year.
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Hate saying it but Tyrone are serious contenders for this years AI title.
Based on?
Based on the last 12 months, from what I've seen myself and with the addition of a number of young players. I can see a Dublin v Tyrone AI final, for me they are Dublins main rivals this year.
Question - who have Tyrone beaten to be installed as Dublin's main rivals?
Is there anyone in there who are even among the dark horses for the championship?
(Monaghan who Tyrone beat last year at currently 40/1 shots)
Considering they played in div 2 it's not real a relevant question. Using last years AI semi final against Kerry as a yardstick there wasn't much between the 2 sides and Kerry are an ageing team whilst Tyrone are a young improving team.
Have Tyrone beaten Donegal, Cork, Kerry, Mayo or Dublin in the last 12 months? Where is the case for being so very over optimistic? Do you rate the teams in Division Two that much? Do you rate beating Derry by so much an accomplishment? Look Tyrone will be a handful for who ever they meet. But one day at a time before you talk of AI contenders.
Tyrone beat Mayo away in Div1 just over 12 months ago, they also drew with Kerry & Dublin & should have beat the Dubs but for a late fisted goal. They were level with Kerry in the AI semi-final with 10mins to go & had the chances to have won that game. They have been in 2 AI semi's in the last 3 years. Unlike Mayo if they do reach a final they know how to win. They are AI contenders
Mark Lynch looked very sluggish I thought yesterday. No doubting his strength and ability to kick points, but I though he struggled to get up and down the pitch yesterday. Was he carrying an injury?
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Hugely disappointed by Derry's impotent challenge yesterday. After the minor game I got a feeling in the pit of my stomach that we were going to wobble and lose a tight, hard-hitting slugfest. As we now know, it turned into the most facile win I can ever remember (revenge for '97?) Do any of you Derry lads have the inside scoop from the Derry camp? Surely things aren't good if the team's fight is that poor, and that's not even factoring in the four defeats already this season. Is there faith in Barton?
The game itself came down to three simple things; organisation, speed and fitness. The movement up the pitch when we won possession was a sight to behold and when possession was turned over, the commitment and organisation to get back in place, defensively, was superb. As the post match analysis pointed out (can't remember if it was on BBC or RTE) you could clearly hear 'set-up' be roared out by the defenders and without fail the screen was in place around the '45. Now this system isn't rocket science but what makes it more effective and easier on the eye compared to that borefest in Croke park on Saturday is the speed we break out at and the fitness levels to maintain this for the duration of the 70 minutes. This system stalled on us 3-4 years ago as we didn't have the players/age profile/fitness levels to operate it at the breakneck speed required but the injection of youth and increased awareness amongst the younger lads appears to be really reaping dividends.
Now I am not saying we are genuine AI contenders just yet but I don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility that we could make another AI semi and after that, who knows?
I didn't get a programme yesterday but I'd be interested in working out our average age and how that compares to other sides in the top 8, my best guess for us would be...
Mickey O'Neill 26 (could be way off here)
McCrory 29
McNamee 24
McCarron 28
McCann 22
Sludden 22
Harte 24
C Cavanagh 29
M Donnelly 24
McShane 21
Bradley 22
R Donnelly 22
McAliskey 25
S Cavanagh 33
O'Neill 24
Subs
McCury 24
McNulty 23
Munroe 22
McGeary 22
Hampsey 22
Open to correction here (could all be wrong!) but that would leave an approx. average for all 14 outfield players at just below 25 and all five subs had an average age of approx. 22.5. Not a bad profile at all.
Well done to all the lads and great to see young Ronan bagging 2-02. If we can get him as prolific as his minor days we really could have a FF line to do damage later in the year.
McCann/McNamee/McAliskey/Tierney/Morgan/Monroe were all minor in 09 so would turn 25 year
Harte/M Donnelly/McNabb McKenna were all minor in 08 so would be 26 this year.
R O'Neill/Sludden/McNulty/Clarke/HP McGeary/R Donnelly were all minor on 2010 so would be 24 this year.
McCurry and C McCann were minor in 2011 so would be 23 this year
K McGeary, Hampsey, R Brennan, Bradley and Meyler are all 22 this year
I didn't get a programme yesterday but I'd be interested in working out our average age and how that compares to other sides in the top 8, my best guess for us would be...
Mickey O'Neill 26 (could be way off here)
McCrory 29
McNamee 24
McCarron 28
McCann 22
Sludden 22
Harte 24
C Cavanagh 29
M Donnelly 24
McShane 21
Bradley 22
R Donnelly 22
McAliskey 25
S Cavanagh 33
O'Neill 24
Subs
McCury 24
McNulty 23
Munroe 22
McGeary 22
Hampsey 22
Open to correction here (could all be wrong!) but that would leave an approx. average for all 14 outfield players at just below 25 and all five subs had an average age of approx. 22.5. Not a bad profile at all.
Well done to all the lads and great to see young Ronan bagging 2-02. If we can get him as prolific as his minor days we really could have a FF line to do damage later in the year.
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Mickey O'Neill 27 (could be way off here)
McCrory 28
McNamee 24
McCarron 28
McCann 24
Sludden 24
Harte 25
C Cavanagh 28
M Donnelly 25
McShane 20
Bradley 22
R Donnelly 23
McAliskey 24
S Cavanagh 33
O'Neill 23
Subs
McCury 23
McNulty 24
Munroe 22
McGeary 22
Hampsey 22
As of 22/5, that is the age profile of the squad according to tyronegaa.ie
Cheers lads, was a bit awry there on most, although the average age only increases by about 0.8 of a year.
I thought Tyrone started very sluggishly yesterday and almost seemed like they were purposely sitting back inviting Derry onto them to frustrate their attacks.
Derry seemed to be using the tactic of shooting from far out and it was working well I thought for the first 15 mins or so. However, the killer was the goals and in previous years Tyrone would struggle to score goals. After 19 mins the score was 2.04 to 0.5 and not many of us would have expected Ronan O'Neill to score 2 goals against Karl McKaigue.
The Tyrone system is very similar to what Donegal used to do but perhaps with even more pace and less dependance on any one or two forwards. If you've not been at a Tyrone game recently in the flesh you will probably underestimate how hard it is to play against them. Frustrating the other team is a huge part of their gameplan as they get 14 men often inside their own half and invite you to bring the ball into the congested space. Then they eventually strip the ball from a player who takes too long to control it or a wayward pass. Then they break at huge speed into the massive gaps the other team has left as you saw by the first goal yesterday where Richie Donnelly was the one to get the initial turnover I think but it was also him who hit the long pass into O'Neill's hands and his dummy and finish showed excellent composure.
As a few have said on here it was hard to pick a man of the match and I often found that last year as well. It's total team behaviour and you can even see that with how often players won't bending down to pick the ball up as they knew it would slow things down but they'd chip it backwards to a player standing waiting for a pass.
Pundits also talk about how much our half back line push forward and join in the attacks but I think its a lot more than that. Often you'd see Peter Harte playing in the FF line and being the target man and how often does McRory and McCarron find themselves in very advanced positions. Each time however they know there is cover for them if the move breaks down.
Some may say Derry looked very poor yesterday and they did from the 20th min on but it so demoralising playing against 13/14 men behind the ball trying to be patient for a whole to appear and then suddenly the ball is in your own net.
I didn't see the Peter Donnelly incident but if that's true then it's very disappointing. As you would expect there were a few wee incidents during the game, most of which coming out of Derry's frustration. I was surprised at Chrissy McKaigue's pleading of innocence having swung his elbow into Colm's face. People don't seem happy when a player reacts to being hit. What should Colm have done. Held his face? Went down? Retaliated and also got sent off or to complain to the linesman and ref.
Why was Lynch looking for a card to be issued? Who was the culprit and what did he do? It's not nice to see alright but is it not better than rolling around holding your face or taking the law into your own hands? I don't know which is worse.
I thought the Derry No 7 was lucky a few times not to get a card. Wasn't it him who went in with his knee to McCarron on the sideline.
Barton looks to be a bit of a fool who doesn't really know what to do. His interviews are peculiar how he stands and doesn't look at the camera or the interviewer.
Interesting about the age of the players and how Sean is the only one over 30. Is Justy near 30 yet?
Don't forget the two Brennan's who we expect a lot from this year and Sludden looks to have really came on a lot.
The Lynch incident was after a high challenge from Richie Donnelly, which he did get a yellow card for.
Its a terrible thing to see creeping into the game.
Good summary Fuzzman. Ronan O'Neill's goal was a fantastic move, you're right in your memory. It was Ritchie who stripped the ball and when it hit the ground he chipped it soccer style onto Bradley who took off engaged the Derry man and passed out to McShane. Ritchie burst a gut catching up, took a pass off McShane a put a beauty of a ball into Ronan. It was a fantastic pass as it clearly wasn't a hit and hope in the general direction of Ronan. The side bounce/step was perfect, even better that it caused the two Derry men to hit the dirt!
Mugsy summed it up well in a tweet last night:
Just watched over the highlights from the Tyrone/Derry game. Ronan Oneill's goal was some piece of skill. Very fast thinking & a top finish
Justy would be 30 alright, he played in underage teams a level below Joe who is 32.
Tyrone might beat Monaghan in the QFs but they won't beat Mayo in the semi. And they aren't as good as the Dubs or Kerry . Yet
PP have Mayo at 11/2 and Tyrone at 9/1 for Sam
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Seafoid you always seem to definite about your predictions. Did you see there were some Rossie fans up at the match being interviewed afterwards by BBC.
It's only May lads so a long way to go for all the contenders but there seems to be a desire in the media to talk up Tyrone's chances of upsetting Dublin. I think Dublin have showed they can handle Kerry now quite well and so pundits are looking and hoping for a new challenger to join Mayo & Donegal in putting it up to the Dubs.
I suppose pace is one of the big attributes that may test how good the Dubs are as well as a tight defensive system that doesn't allow them to score their usual 2 or 3 goals and people see this new young Tyrone team having those attributes. Personally I think we've added a few more players to the mix since last years semi defeat to Kerry but as I said initially it's a long road to August and Sept (hopefully it's long) but questions over a reliable free taker and can we survive without a top class forward may remain all summer.
Just seen the attendance 12k - and they say that this is a big rivalry? It's a bit sad the way Derry have gone. 10 years ago they were a hardy team of men not to be taken lightly. Where did it all go wrong?
Good performance from Tyrone and should make the Ulster final handy enough but will be a hell of a step-up to the Division 1 teams... bit early to be talking All Ireland. I think Ulster champions meet Leinster in semi-final if they get through their quarter-final so a wee bit to go yet...
O'Neill in the nets had a poor showing yesterday. His kick out's were not that great. A good free taker is badly needed. You can see that teams will be fouling Tyrone alot between the 21 & the 45 to stop them and this is where they need to pick of the scores from.
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Just seen the attendance 12k - and they say that this is a big rivalry? It's a bit sad the way Derry have gone. 10 years ago they were a hardy team of men not to be taken lightly. Where did it all go wrong?
I don't think Derry people are overly bothered about the county team and it is almost a case of so what? If that was any other Ulster county putting in that performance yesterday they would be lambasted by their own supporters but Derry have received very little criticism. It's almost as if the game is now out of the way so that they can concentrate on the more important business of the club game in the county. Maybe thats harsh but thats how it looks.
That's probably a fair observation. I find it hard to believe that a team that has Tony Scullion involved would put up such little resistance.
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Good performance from Tyrone and should make the Ulster final handy enough but will be a hell of a step-up to the Division 1 teams... bit early to be talking All Ireland. I think Ulster champions meet Leinster in semi-final if they get through their quarter-final so a wee bit to go yet...
I think they actually meet Connacht which would likely be Mayo or Roscommon. The big reward for winning Ulster would be avoiding Dublin until the AI final and I think that is why many people are tipping up tyrone as potential finalists.
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Just seen the attendance 12k - and they say that this is a big rivalry? It's a bit sad the way Derry have gone. 10 years ago they were a hardy team of men not to be taken lightly. Where did it all go wrong?
I don't think Derry people are overly bothered about the county team and it is almost a case of so what? If that was any other Ulster county putting in that performance yesterday they would be lambasted by their own supporters but Derry have received very little criticism. It's almost as if the game is now out of the way so that they can concentrate on the more important business of the club game in the county. Maybe thats harsh but thats how it looks.
Plus Celtic Park is almost like an away venue for many Derry supporters.
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I didn't get a programme yesterday but I'd be interested in working out our average age and how that compares to other sides in the top 8, my best guess for us would be...
Mickey O'Neill 26 (could be way off here)
McCrory 29
McNamee 24
McCarron 28
McCann 22
Sludden 22
Harte 24
C Cavanagh 29
M Donnelly 24
McShane 21
Bradley 22
R Donnelly 22
McAliskey 25
S Cavanagh 33
O'Neill 24
Subs
McCury 24
McNulty 23
Munroe 22
McGeary 22
Hampsey 22
Open to correction here (could all be wrong!) but that would leave an approx. average for all 14 outfield players at just below 25 and all five subs had an average age of approx. 22.5. Not a bad profile at all.
Well done to all the lads and great to see young Ronan bagging 2-02. If we can get him as prolific as his minor days we really could have a FF line to do damage later in the year.
Mickey O'Neill 27 (could be way off here)
McCrory 28
McNamee 24
McCarron 28
McCann 24
Sludden 24
Harte 25
C Cavanagh 28
M Donnelly 25
McShane 20
Bradley 22
R Donnelly 23
McAliskey 24
S Cavanagh 33
O'Neill 23
Subs
McCury 23
McNulty 24
Munroe 22
McGeary 22
Hampsey 22
As of 22/5, that is the age profile of the squad according to tyronegaa.ie
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I don't have the programme to hand but IIRC the two average ages of the teams were very similar. Tyrone had about 0.5 or so of a year younger all round.
McShane is 20 by the way.
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Mark Lynch waving an imaginary yellow card was disgraceful too.
How did you know it was yellow?
I lol'ed
Good point.
Would waving an imaginary red or black by any better (or worse) ?
It was a imaginary red card he was waving
Aw lads ye bate me to it. But how do we know it was a card he was imagining?
Tyrone were good in the first half after Derry's early supremacy and the game was over at h/t. Would have been disappointed to be a Derry fan there yesterday and I feel sorry for Barton who would have prepared that group to a very high level - The raw material just dosent look to be there at the moment. Derry have went through man very good managers over the last 7/8 years. When the clubs get behind the county they can improve things. They are a prime example of what would happen in any county if the clubs and the county set up are not pulling the same way - and I know every county has their problems so it is a delicate balancing act a partnership with shared ambitions. The club powers that be and the county powers that be need to lock themselves in a room and sort it out as they say in Tyrone "Carmen style"
Quote from: general_lee on May 23, 2016, 01:12:46 PM
That's probably a fair observation. I find it hard to believe that a team that has Tony Scullion involved would put up such little resistance.
The way tactics have evolved in the game it doesn't matter how pumped you are you will find it hard to get tackles in unless you're set up right. We weren't able to get men back fast enough which meant we couldn't get hits in on the Tyrone team.
McCurry comes on for Bradley and scores 4 points and should have had more as had some bad misses.
With Meyler and the two Brennans probably pushing hard for a start the next day competition for places will be tough.
I'd like to see McShane get a good run this year as he's a big strong lad yet he's still only 20.
Did you see Colm O'Rourke talking yesterday about how he watched Tyrone in Navan where when they lose possession up front they all sprint back into position and set up their defensive screen. Brian McGuigan mentioned it yesterday to where you can hear the instructions being shouted to "set up" again.
Jim McGuinness has a lot to answer for.
Joe mcmahon and ronan mcnabb both available the next day also
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McCurry comes on for Bradley and scores 4 points and should have had more as had some bad misses.
With Meyler and the two Brennans probably pushing hard for a start the next day competition for places will be tough.
I'd like to see McShane get a good run this year as he's a big strong lad yet he's still only 20.
Did you see Colm O'Rourke talking yesterday about how he watched Tyrone in Navan where when they lose possession up front they all sprint back into position and set up their defensive screen. Brian McGuigan mentioned it yesterday to where you can hear the instructions being shouted to "set up" again.
Jim McGuinness has a lot to answer for.
Mickey Harte controls the forwards using a system of shouts and whistles.
"Away to me!"
Quote from: general_lee on May 23, 2016, 01:12:46 PM
That's probably a fair observation. I find it hard to believe that a team that has Tony Scullion involved would put up such little resistance.
That day is long gone in football u clown. Beating down the walls in changing rooms before a game is no good. Work is done in the weeks before hand. It's players who can use their heads that are needed
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Quote from: general_lee on May 23, 2016, 01:12:46 PM
That's probably a fair observation. I find it hard to believe that a team that has Tony Scullion involved would put up such little resistance.
That day is long gone in football u clown. Beating down the walls in changing rooms before a game is no good. Work is done in the weeks before hand. It's players who can use their heads that are needed
Agreed. But having a manager in place who is obsessed with getting players to work as a unit is more essential again. Against a well drilled side, having 10 clued in players won't count if the other 5 aren't following the same plan.
Derry were a tactical abomination yesterday. Their defensive system had neither the conviction to kill Tyrone momentum, nor the sense to protect their full back line. No man's land. Plus they all got sucked into the Tyrone half without anyone cottoning on. Most galling though was the bizarre and obviously pre-approved belief that shooting from 60 yards is the way to break down a packed defence. It was idiotic.
With Derry giving Tyrone a real good game in the McKenna cup and probably should have held out to win it, you nearly wonder was it Tyrone who were lying in the long grass waiting for Derry.
Harte is a shrewd man and has his whole panel including a lot of young, fit hungry young lads bought into this hard working, defensive system of play which requires a lot of hard work and discipline.
Barton on the other hand seems totally out of his depth and as I read from a few Derry posters they were probably better under the previous management team. I thought Derry's long range shouting was proving quite successful up until we got our 2nd goal. The Dubs used that tactic well against Donegal a few years back but once you get put under pressure that far out it can go terribly wrong.
Derry's naivety in not playing a sweeper seemed to hand the game to Tyrone in that 15 min spell before half time along with some very poor kick outs.
There seemed to be a very much "lets see how we get on" attitude with Derry whereas Tyrone game plan hasn't changed now for a good few years and the new younger faster players are adding to its execution at breaking into attack at speed.
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With Derry giving Tyrone a real good game in the McKenna cup and probably should have held out to win it, you nearly wonder was it Tyrone who were lying in the long grass waiting for Derry.
Harte is a shrewd man and has his whole panel including a lot of young, fit hungry young lads bought into this hard working, defensive system of play which requires a lot of hard work and discipline.
Barton on the other hand seems totally out of his depth and as I read from a few Derry posters they were probably better under the previous management team. I thought Derry's long range shouting was proving quite successful up until we got our 2nd goal. The Dubs used that tactic well against Donegal a few years back but once you get put under pressure that far out it can go terribly wrong.
Derry's naivety in not playing a sweeper seemed to hand the game to Tyrone in that 15 min spell before half time along with some very poor kick outs.
There seemed to be a very much "lets see how we get on" attitude with Derry whereas Tyrone game plan hasn't changed now for a good few years and the new younger faster players are adding to its execution at breaking into attack at speed.
I agree about Barton being out of his depth, Derry's poor tackling has been a feature of all the games Tyrone have played against them all year. They also lack any sort of discipline and the idea of basing a gameplan on winning a game by kicking miracle points, consistently from distance, is naive in the extreme. This coupled with his ill advised comments pre match about Tyrone being a media hype job suggests a man who unfortunately has struggled to cope with the demands of the job. Tyrone on the other hand look like a team on another level, fitness wise, tactics wise and in game intelligence wise. I hope we get the opportunity to have a rattle at Donegal as I think a win against them will be a huge boost to the squad heading into the AI series.
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McCurry comes on for Bradley and scores 4 points and should have had more as had some bad misses.
With Meyler and the two Brennans probably pushing hard for a start the next day competition for places will be tough.
I'd like to see McShane get a good run this year as he's a big strong lad yet he's still only 20.
Did you see Colm O'Rourke talking yesterday about how he watched Tyrone in Navan where when they lose possession up front they all sprint back into position and set up their defensive screen. Brian McGuigan mentioned it yesterday to where you can hear the instructions being shouted to "set up" again.
Jim McGuinness has a lot to answer for.
Mickey Harte controls the forwards using a system of shouts and whistles.
"Away to me!"
Ye'd hear him the odd time shouting, "Lie down! Lie down!"
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on May 23, 2016, 12:05:38 PM
The Lynch incident was after a high challenge from Richie Donnelly, which he did get a yellow card for.
Its a terrible thing to see creeping into the game.
One which I first saw 13 years ago from a diminutive, tigerish defender in a championship match involving the same two sides. Like most questionable behaviour in Gaelic football, it would appear to have been introduced by Tyrone.
Poor form from Lynch though.
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Mark Lynch waving an imaginary yellow card was disgraceful too.
Indeed that was disgraceful, I felt that one in the pit of my stomach.
Derry were so bad they made Tyrone appear sporting and justifiably indignant about the unsporting antics of the opposition.
That must be a first?
That was one surreal half time interview (BBCNI) with some member of the Derry management team just before the resumption of play.
Monty Pythonesgue, "only a flesh wound" in reply to "how bad was that first half?"
There was an absolutely disgusting cynical piece of cheating yesterday in the second half from peter donnelly which I'm surprised nobody else has picked up on. He did a diego simeone impression by kicking a ball on to the pitch to try to disrupt a derry attack. Derry had just acored 4 in a row and although tyrone were still 8 up and in control donnelly was getting frustrated along the line. Derry were attacking along the stand side and donnelly kicked a ball from his position on the terracing side right out to the middle of the pitch about 30 yards out from the tyrone goal. If derrys attack had continued the ref would have had to stop the play with another ball on the pitch. There was a foul though near the stand side and as derry were awarded a free sludden kicked the spare ball back to the umpire. It was an incident that I hope was picked up because donnelly deserves a good suspension from a blatant piece of cheating.
What a load of shite! Never heard worse. Yes Donnelly did kick the ball onto the pitch but not the way you described it. The game was already stopped at that stage, either a free kick or line ball for Derry on the stand side and he kicked it about 20 yards into the pitch from the sideline. The ball was then kicked back to behind the goals by Sludden before play resumed.
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on May 23, 2016, 06:59:52 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on May 23, 2016, 12:05:38 PM
The Lynch incident was after a high challenge from Richie Donnelly, which he did get a yellow card for.
Its a terrible thing to see creeping into the game.
One which I first saw 13 years ago from a diminutive, tigerish defender in a championship match involving the same two sides. Like most questionable behaviour in Gaelic football, it would appear to have been introduced by Tyrone.
Poor form from Lynch though.
It must be frustrating that this is the area of Tyrone's play that your players chose to mimic. Rather than mimicking the tactical awareness, tackling, work ethic, footballing nous or basic skills of the game that were so evident in Tyrone's game back then and completely absent from Derrys game plan yesterday.
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 23, 2016, 07:57:28 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on May 23, 2016, 06:59:52 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on May 23, 2016, 12:05:38 PM
The Lynch incident was after a high challenge from Richie Donnelly, which he did get a yellow card for.
Its a terrible thing to see creeping into the game.
One which I first saw 13 years ago from a diminutive, tigerish defender in a championship match involving the same two sides. Like most questionable behaviour in Gaelic football, it would appear to have been introduced by Tyrone.
Poor form from Lynch though.
It must be frustrating that this is the area of Tyrone's play that your players chose to mimic. Rather than mimicking the tactical awareness, tackling, work ethic, footballing nous or basic skills of the game that were so evident in Tyrone's game back then and completely absent from Derrys game plan yesterday.
Indeed it is, Benny. Very, very frustrating. Light years behind in almost every regard.
Good luck for the rest of the year.
Sorry, misread your post, Benny. I thought you were referring to where the two teams are now. The '03 game was a draw - no major difference in tactical awareness, tackling, work ethic, footballing nous or basic skills of the game that day. Light years now.
Card waving aside Lynch was unbeliebably shite yesterday.
He used to be a great player, is it just that so many years in a Derry jersey just gradually take its toll?
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 23, 2016, 06:01:12 PM
Tyrone on the other hand look like a team on another level, fitness wise, tactics wise and in game intelligence wise. I hope we get the opportunity to have a rattle at Donegal as I think a win against them will be a huge boost to the squad heading into the AI series.
Of course it's arrogant of us to think this way in many people's eyes but I think this is true. The top 4 or 5 teams seem to be almost playing a different type of game now where fitness, tactics, adaptability are all on a different level. Turnovers are a major tactic now where you invite a team into your half and let them push defenders forward to support a struggling attack and then strip them off the ball and attack into the space they left behind at pace.
You have to be an ultra fit player these days and I just noticed how much running Colm Cavanagh does all game. For Peter Harte's goal Colm busted his ass making a run into the box even though he wasn't used.
Aaron Kernan made the point on Sunday night that some teams get loads of bodies back but don't actually make any tackles.
Of course we don't want to get carried away after such an easy win but I too would love to meet Donegal in the final as opposed to Monaghan. Donegal have had our number now for a good while and so it would be nice to get a chance to settle that score but of course Cavan might have something to say about that. ???
Ok Lynch waving an imaginary card was not nice to see, but what is so different to Colm Cavanagh running to the linesman after McKaigue pushed his elbow in his face.
Tyrone fans really do think butter wouldn't melt.
Lynch just doesn't have the right body type for modern inter-county football.
The only place I'd have him is full forward where at least he could 'bust up the play'.
This is a game for greyhounds now, the day of the rottweiler is long gone.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 24, 2016, 10:55:01 AM
Lynch just doesn't have the right body type for modern inter-county football.
The only place I'd have him is full forward where at least he could 'bust up the play'.
This is a game for greyhounds now, the day of the rottweiler is long gone.
I laughed at Martin Carney on commentary on sunday. One minute he was saying how Derry needed Mark Lynch at FF as a target man, then about 5 minutes later he was saying they need to switch him to CHB to protect the derry FB line
He regularly contradicted himself throughout the commentary - clown
Quote from: haranguerer on May 24, 2016, 11:12:26 AM
He regularly contradicted himself throughout the commentary - clown
Is there any chance we could just have a cull of the deadwood? Marty/Spillane/O'Rourke/Canning/Carney/Carr?? Coverage would be infinitely better without them!
Carney is the worst by a country mile!!!
Quote from: screenexile on May 24, 2016, 11:18:27 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 24, 2016, 11:12:26 AM
He regularly contradicted himself throughout the commentary - clown
Is there any chance we could just have a cull of the deadwood? Marty/Spillane/O'Rourke/Canning/Carney/Carr?? Coverage would be infinitely better without them!
Shut your face.
Maybe its just Rachel but there is something refreshing about the Sky show.
They tend to have younger guests on with not so biased ideas.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 24, 2016, 12:22:46 PM
Maybe its just Rachel but there is something refreshing about the Sky show.
They tend to have younger guests on with not so biased ideas.
Sky coverage is excellent. . . if they could just not show it on Sky that would be great then!
http://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/sportsjoe-analysis-tyrones-rotating-attack-leaves-derry-in-a-spin/79356 (http://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/sportsjoe-analysis-tyrones-rotating-attack-leaves-derry-in-a-spin/79356)
Granted, Derry weren't great, but I was impressed by Tyrone. I wouldnt mind seeing them win Ulster to keep them on Mayo's side of the draw.
Carney was on about the wind blowing in from the Swilly. Geography must have been his weak subject at school.
Quote from: skeog on May 24, 2016, 05:13:08 PM
Carney was on about the wind blowing in from the Swilly. Geography must have been his weak subject at school.
Especially as he went to school at St. Eunan's in Letterkenny (Swilly flows through it and the lough starts there) and his brother was principal there!
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 24, 2016, 10:26:48 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 23, 2016, 06:01:12 PM
Tyrone on the other hand look like a team on another level, fitness wise, tactics wise and in game intelligence wise. I hope we get the opportunity to have a rattle at Donegal as I think a win against them will be a huge boost to the squad heading into the AI series.
Of course it's arrogant of us to think this way in many people's eyes but I think this is true. The top 4 or 5 teams seem to be almost playing a different type of game now where fitness, tactics, adaptability are all on a different level. Turnovers are a major tactic now where you invite a team into your half and let them push defenders forward to support a struggling attack and then strip them off the ball and attack into the space they left behind at pace.
You have to be an ultra fit player these days and I just noticed how much running Colm Cavanagh does all game. For Peter Harte's goal Colm busted his ass making a run into the box even though he wasn't used.
Aaron Kernan made the point on Sunday night that some teams get loads of bodies back but don't actually make any tackles.
Of course we don't want to get carried away after such an easy win but I too would love to meet Donegal in the final as opposed to Monaghan. Donegal have had our number now for a good while and so it would be nice to get a chance to settle that score but of course Cavan might have something to say about that. ???
Should we somehow reach the final (I'll be very surprised if we do, based on the evidence of this spring), unless Rory Gallagher has something almost magical up his sleeve, Tyrone will beat us handily. Tyrone are doing what we did four years ago (and reproduced for one game v Dublin in 2014), except that we are still relying on many of the same players and just don't have the legs for it anymore. So I see a packed Donegal defense and no release available to get scores, while Tyrone just keep picking us off.
Quit with your BS J70 we all know you dont think that at all.
On the other hand thats interesting about Carney, makes me thinks he is even more stupid than he goes on.
http://ulster.gaa.ie/2016/05/derry-v-tyrone-statistical-analysis/
Interesting point about our kickout strategy. I always think in big matches that when a team pushes right up but you continue to hit them short anyway that it puts huge pressure on the keeper. We saw a few times on Sunday how the Derry keeper give away 2 or 3 scores because his kickout didn't find it's man.
We see it nearly every year in the final stages in Croke Park how one bad short kick out can lead to a goal and virtually kill of the game.
It's grand when there's no major pressure but I'd rather see the keeper trying to pick a player out on the wings in space but still far enough away from the 21 yard line.
Also, interesting point they make about how often we seem to kick the ball short into the keepers hands. I think the 2nd goal actually came from that or was Mattie not trying to shoot?
We seem to do this a lot more than other teams I feel.
Even in the warm up the two teams were a sight to behold.
The intensity from Tyrone was amazing compared to Derry who I honestly thought had already warmed up before they came out.
The difference was a gulf.
Quote from: winghalfun on May 26, 2016, 04:06:57 PM
Even in the warm up the two teams were a sight to behold.
The intensity from Tyrone was amazing compared to Derry who I honestly though had already warmed up before they came out.
The difference was a gulf.
they had
As the Tyrone bus was making its way into Celtic Park,Derry were warming up on the local soccer pitch.
Tyrone was certainly the standout performance the year. The Dubs will fancy similar in the Marble City.