Is here any interest in this one at all. Are many monaghan folk traveling? Are any cork folk going either?
Monaghan team same as that from last Sunday v mayo. And no Kieran Hughes again.
Did he do much damage does anyone know?. Didnt think it was too serious at the time...
Ah yeah, sure a few of us will wander down for a look!. Hopefully its third time lucky away in Cork for this group. Been 5 years since our last trip!. Weekend of the 2011 Election if my memory serves me.
Heading down myself.
Loser will get relegated imo so its a big game. Can't recall ever beating Cork in my lifetime (could be wrong) so now's the time to correct that.
Wonder will this thread get to Page 2......
Quote from: timmyot501 on March 11, 2016, 01:52:51 PM
Is here any interest in this one at all. Are many monaghan folk traveling? Are any cork folk going either?
Monaghan team same as that from last Sunday v mayo. And no Kieran Hughes again.
Could be a record low in terms of Cork home supporters after the last game.
Mayo and Roscommon both had more supporters than there were Cork supporters at Cork's last two home games - will Monaghan make it a three in a row?
Quote from: charlie linkbox on March 11, 2016, 03:58:07 PM
Heading down myself.
Loser will get relegated imo so its a big game. Can't recall ever beating Cork in my lifetime (could be wrong) so now's the time to correct that.
Wonder will this thread get to Page 2......
Not necessarily. If Cork win, they'll just be on the same points as Monaghan (4) with two rounds to go. If Cork lose, it's good new for Monaghan and bad news for Cork, obviously, but the Mayo V Kerry game is important too. If Mayo win, they'll be on 4 pts too. If they lose, they'll be on the same pts as Cork if they lose to Monaghan. If Kerry lose to Mayo, they'll be on 4 pts too.
So with two more rounds to go after this weekend, it's all to play for really. Down are a definite to be relegated, but the season could well end with 2-3 counties all on the same pts, be it 4 or 6. Who gets the second relegation spot, may very well be decided by scoring difference and head to head meetings, not points.
All this talk about Monaghans great defence. Looking back we haven't really defended 'great' since the 2013 c'ship.(bar one or two games).
Is it complacency ? or what ? Never mind the one scoring forward or weak midfield. Now when we lose possession we cant stop the opponents. 1-20 against a cork team who got their asses handed to them for the past month. This is sh**e........
Kerry coming up next week. Need to get back to what made us in 2013.
What made Monaghan in 2013 was there Ulster win. Donegal were extremely unlucky in that final and prob suffering a bit from over confidence. Tyrone were in the rebuilding stage and Monaghan took full advantage of this. Fair play to them but I can't see them getting back to that level now Tyrone and donegal are back on the scene
Quote from: redzone on March 13, 2016, 06:06:59 PM
What made Monaghan in 2013 was there Ulster win. Donegal were extremely unlucky in that final and prob suffering a bit from over confidence. Tyrone were in the rebuilding stage and Monaghan took full advantage of this. Fair play to them but I can't see them getting back to that level now Tyrone and donegal are back on the scene
Get a grip, they were well beaten in 2013. Monaghan rode their luck in 2015, but in 2013 they were deserving winners.
Quote from: gwan-ye-boy-ya on March 13, 2016, 04:57:40 PM
All this talk about Monaghans great defence. Looking back we haven't really defended 'great' since the 2013 c'ship.(bar one or two games).
Is it complacency ? or what ? Never mind the one scoring forward or weak midfield. Now when we lose possession we cant stop the opponents. 1-20 against a cork team who got their asses handed to them for the past month. This is sh**e........
Kerry coming up next week. Need to get back to what made us in 2013.
I wasn't at today's game, but think our defence would be grand if we could sort out midfield.
Quote from: Maguire01 on March 13, 2016, 06:31:44 PM
Quote from: gwan-ye-boy-ya on March 13, 2016, 04:57:40 PM
All this talk about Monaghans great defence. Looking back we haven't really defended 'great' since the 2013 c'ship.(bar one or two games).
Is it complacency ? or what ? Never mind the one scoring forward or weak midfield. Now when we lose possession we cant stop the opponents. 1-20 against a cork team who got their asses handed to them for the past month. This is sh**e........
Kerry coming up next week. Need to get back to what made us in 2013.
I wasn't at today's game, but think our defence would be grand if we could sort out midfield.
The whole idea of defence is to stop opponents. Midfield wont win possession all the time.
We were doomed once Timmy titled the thread Cork v monaghan.
Quote from: Maguire01 on March 13, 2016, 06:30:08 PM
Quote from: redzone on March 13, 2016, 06:06:59 PM
What made Monaghan in 2013 was there Ulster win. Donegal were extremely unlucky in that final and prob suffering a bit from over confidence. Tyrone were in the rebuilding stage and Monaghan took full advantage of this. Fair play to them but I can't see them getting back to that level now Tyrone and donegal are back on the scene
Get a grip, they were well beaten in 2013. Monaghan rode their luck in 2015, but in 2013 they were deserving winners.
Yep, there was no luck about 2013. Could have been ten points.
Quote from: J70 on March 13, 2016, 06:58:56 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on March 13, 2016, 06:30:08 PM
Quote from: redzone on March 13, 2016, 06:06:59 PM
What made Monaghan in 2013 was there Ulster win. Donegal were extremely unlucky in that final and prob suffering a bit from over confidence. Tyrone were in the rebuilding stage and Monaghan took full advantage of this. Fair play to them but I can't see them getting back to that level now Tyrone and donegal are back on the scene
Get a grip, they were well beaten in 2013. Monaghan rode their luck in 2015, but in 2013 they were deserving winners.
Yep, there was no luck about 2013. Could have been ten points.
Yeah I'm totally wrong on that final. Could have swore it was a 1 point win. Apologies
yep. Complacency . Monaghans defence is very rarely if ever criticized (even when they do leak a big score ). The lads need to get back to the drawing board.
Here we are now, instead of thinking about winning the league we are hoping the rossies can wallop mayo and us to scrape 1 point to stay up.
"We were doomed once Timmy titled the thread Cork v monaghan."
Sorry main street.
Giving a 7 or 8 point head start to them really did doom us. We looked off the pace all over the field. Bar Conors wonder score which should have turned the tide (but didn't) there wasn't a lot of positives I'm afraid. Cork were stronger, bigger, quicker, better in possession and also looked fitter. O'Neill is a handful from play and deadly from place balls. Today we missed too many scorable frees (maybe not all certs but cork would have landed most if they were at the other end) and again dropped too many short.
Was at the game.
We're too small. Simple as that. Ryan Wylie, Karl O'Connell, Ryan McAnespie, Shane Carey, Dermot Malone, Conor McCarthy; good and all as they may be there's nearly half a team and all small light men. And that was the main problem as far as I could see today. Cork were far bigger, faster and more powerful and we just couldn't compete. FFS Karl O'Connell jumped to compete for both throw ins!!! What was that about?!!! We were completely overrun today and a seven point gap flattered us.
Our tactics didn't help either. We dropped McAdam back to the full back line in the first half presumably to counteract the long ball in but it was pointless. Cork just ran at us from out the field and kicked their points from further out - their No.7 got three points in the first half I think. It also meant we were down a body out the field for Cork's kick outs and their goalie found his man almost every time which put us on the back foot all the time.
Our defence was very slack in the first half with Cork players often kicking points with no pressure.
Mayo and now Cork have kept McManus quiet by double marking him and we have no other scoring options. We have to address this. No point in having one of the best talents in the game bottled up in the full forward line. Maybe try him on the 40 to get him on the ball a bit more and give him a bit more space to operate. Was listening to the radio back up the road and the report on the game said Monaghan relied on McManus and Beggan in the second half for scores. That says it all.
Few positives. Karl O'Connell played well. The boys kept going even when it had become a lost cause which was commendable. I'm clutching at staws here.
However lets not forget that the real villains here are Roscommon.
We were supposed to beat Roscommon and Down in our first two games and then those two were supposed to get bate every week so that four points would be enough to stay up. F**k Roscommon anyway!!! >:( ;)
Quote from: charlie linkbox on March 13, 2016, 08:58:54 PM
However lets not forget that the real villains here are Roscommon.
We were supposed to beat Roscommon and Down in our first two games and then those two were supposed to get bate every week so that four points would be enough to stay up. F**k Roscommon anyway!!! >:( ;)
I hear ye Charlie. Thon Rossies are contrary arsed feckers. Thought we were home and hosed in D1 after the first two games. Mayo, a quality outfit and all that, hurt us at home, which I reckoned was going to be a win.
We really need to beat Kerry now. We can't always depend on beating Donegal ;).
If we don't beat Kerry, there's always Donegal.
Quote from: gwan-ye-boy-ya on March 13, 2016, 06:39:40 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on March 13, 2016, 06:31:44 PM
Quote from: gwan-ye-boy-ya on March 13, 2016, 04:57:40 PM
All this talk about Monaghans great defence. Looking back we haven't really defended 'great' since the 2013 c'ship.(bar one or two games).
Is it complacency ? or what ? Never mind the one scoring forward or weak midfield. Now when we lose possession we cant stop the opponents. 1-20 against a cork team who got their asses handed to them for the past month. This is sh**e........
Kerry coming up next week. Need to get back to what made us in 2013.
I wasn't at today's game, but think our defence would be grand if we could sort out midfield.
The whole idea of defence is to stop opponents. Midfield wont win possession all the time.
No, but if they won it even 40% of the time then defence isn't constantly under pressure. We lost the Mayo game despite some great defensive play (even if there were a few lapses). Very hard to win these games without being at least competitive at midfield. IMO defence is the least of our problems.
Quote from: Main Street on March 13, 2016, 10:20:41 PM
If we don't beat Kerry, there's always Donegal.
Unfortunately for us. We have Dublin away before that game too.
Could go down on six points.
Quote from: J70 on March 13, 2016, 11:49:20 PM
Quote from: Main Street on March 13, 2016, 10:20:41 PM
If we don't beat Kerry, there's always Donegal.
Unfortunately for us. We have Dublin away before that game too.
Could go down on six points.
If it comes down to 6 points, there will be more than 2 teams, then Cork or Mayo would be favorite for the drop.
It could also come down to ourselves and Mayo on 4 pts, then we would go down.