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The Cost Of Dublin's Domination Is Becoming Clearer

Croke Park's annual financial report revealed that the total amount of money Dublin received from the GAA was greater than three of the four provincial councils.

Dublin were awarded a total of €2,821,990 under categories such as Games Development, Team Expenses and Capital Grants.

€1.46 million of this money comes under the heading of Games Development. Dublin receives a whopping 47% of all grants doled out under this heading.

In addition to this, Dublin's sponsorship deal with AIG is believed to be worth €1 million a year. This is more than double what any other county garners through sponsorship deals. Leitrim's sponsorship deal with the Bush Hotel is thought to worth €20,000.

Money was pumped into games development in Dublin during the mid-noughties while the county was stuck deep in its lengthy All-Ireland drought.

There was much keening about Dublin's failure to reach September and the resulting 'glamour' deficit in the GAA.

Off the back of three All-Irelands in five years, officials are now wondering if these efforts were far too successful. They have been unable to scale back on spending in Dublin in 2015 as this might involve laying off Games Promotion Officers in the capital.

And the overwhelming nature of Dublin's dominance in their province is now hurting the financial end.

As reported by Sean Moran in the Irish Times, Peter McKenna made reference to 'Dublin's domination of Leinster' as a factor in the €600,000 decline in match-day rental income.

It's clear that - despite the rationale given for keeping Dublin in Croke Park - the capital's utter domination of Leinster is now having adverse financial consequences.

http://www.balls.ie/gaa/the-cost-of-dublins-domination-is-becoming-clear/323288

Could some of the GPO's not simply be related to Louth, Meath, Wicklow and Kildare for example? This would mean they wouldn't necessarily have to move or lose their job but simply travel to a different location for work.

Meath, Kildare and Offaly are all Trina cheile. Not the fault of the Dubs who can be relied upon to arse it up like they always do. They are no Kerry. Hegemony is funny.

Quote from: MoChara on February 03, 2016, 11:08:50 AM

The Cost Of Dublin's Domination Is Becoming Clearer

Croke Park's annual financial report revealed that the total amount of money Dublin received from the GAA was greater than three of the four provincial councils.

Dublin were awarded a total of €2,821,990 under categories such as Games Development, Team Expenses and Capital Grants.

€1.46 million of this money comes under the heading of Games Development. Dublin receives a whopping 47% of all grants doled out under this heading.

In addition to this, Dublin's sponsorship deal with AIG is believed to be worth €1 million a year. This is more than double what any other county garners through sponsorship deals. Leitrim's sponsorship deal with the Bush Hotel is thought to worth €20,000.

Money was pumped into games development in Dublin during the mid-noughties while the county was stuck deep in its lengthy All-Ireland drought.

There was much keening about Dublin's failure to reach September and the resulting 'glamour' deficit in the GAA.

Off the back of three All-Irelands in five years, officials are now wondering if these efforts were far too successful. They have been unable to scale back on spending in Dublin in 2015 as this might involve laying off Games Promotion Officers in the capital.

And the overwhelming nature of Dublin's dominance in their province is now hurting the financial end.

As reported by Sean Moran in the Irish Times, Peter McKenna made reference to 'Dublin's domination of Leinster' as a factor in the €600,000 decline in match-day rental income.

It's clear that - despite the rationale given for keeping Dublin in Croke Park - the capital's utter domination of Leinster is now having adverse financial consequences.

http://www.balls.ie/gaa/the-cost-of-dublins-domination-is-becoming-clear/323288

It is quite staggering to me that is is only 'becoming' clear now. If Dublin (through no fault of their own, fair play to them for using the money wisely) are capable of murdering 28 counties in Ireland regularly, how do the GAA expect people to come along to witness that?

I've always said financial considerations are driving decisions in Croke Park now, ahead of games competitiveness or attractiveness (insomuch as they do not impact on profitability). As soon as any factor is seen to threaten that, measures will be taken. These noises are the beginning of that. I just hope the 'cure' is not worse, especially if that is also driven by bottom line impact.

The GAA should fix Leinster football. Dubs have 10  out of the last 11 I think

Quote from: seafoid on February 03, 2016, 11:31:42 AM
The GAA should fix Leinster football. Dubs have 10  out of the last 11 I think

You're correct in what you said earlier. Offaly, Kildare, Meath and all the others should bear the brunt of the blame for their own issues, not cast arrows towards Dublin. However, if Offaly make the absolute most of their resources (and they are trying) the artificially inflated gap between themselves and Dublin will still not close, simply because Dublin is able to provide a huge amount of quality coaching and games development, thanks to money from Croke Park.

If that money is not a primary factor, and there is just something inherently better in the Dublin lads, then removing it should make no difference to the current state of play, and the money can be used elsewhere.

If it is a primary factor, then it has to be addressed, either by increasing money to the other counties, or reducing the money to Dublin. My preference would be to increase the money (assuming coherent plans on how to spend it are produced) rather than punishing Dublin for being excellent.

Unfortunately that requires even more money, so what do the GAA do? As I said, they will be swayed by whatever generates a healthier bottom line. For years, that was made healthier by a strong Dublin team and a full Croke Park several days a year. Now that the pendulum has swung so far, that relative strength is actually having a detrimental effect on attendance, and if attendance and interest are affected, so too are the coffers in all counties.

It's a hard medium to find. The GAA needs a competitive Dublin, but it doesn't need, or can't have, a Dublin which through it's own strength reduces the interest in the games themselves.

Quote from: MoChara on February 03, 2016, 11:08:50 AM
Off the back of three All-Irelands in five years, officials are now wondering if these efforts were far too successful. They have been unable to scale back on spending in Dublin in 2015 as this might involve laying off Games Promotion Officers in the capital.

Someone who was in the know about the whole GPO side of things told me that there are more GPOs in Dublin than in the rest of the other 31 counties combined. Can anyone confirm this?

When you consider where Dublin are in the football and the hurling it seems a bit mad.

Not sure about that. I think there's 52 GPOs in Dublin, but they are part financed by the Clubs as well. There are 4 in Tipperary, and I think 2 in Offaly. I can't imagine the other 29 counties don't add up to 46.

How is the money spent?

Is it being pumped into county teams across all the codes? Or development at grass roots level with clubs?

A lot of it into coaching and games development at underage level, club and county. There are separate figures for team expenses and the like at adult level. Also, I wouldn't begrudge Dublin's sponsorship deal either. That's something they worked for themselves, so fair play to them.

Quote from: AZOffaly on February 03, 2016, 11:38:38 AM

Quote from: seafoid on February 03, 2016, 11:31:42 AM
The GAA should fix Leinster football. Dubs have 10  out of the last 11 I think

You're correct in what you said earlier. Offaly, Kildare, Meath and all the others should bear the brunt of the blame for their own issues, not cast arrows towards Dublin. However, if Offaly make the absolute most of their resources (and they are trying) the artificially inflated gap between themselves and Dublin will still not close, simply because Dublin is able to provide a huge amount of quality coaching and games development, thanks to money from Croke Park.

If that money is not a primary factor, and there is just something inherently better in the Dublin lads, then removing it should make no difference to the current state of play, and the money can be used elsewhere.

If it is a primary factor, then it has to be addressed, either by increasing money to the other counties, or reducing the money to Dublin. My preference would be to increase the money (assuming coherent plans on how to spend it are produced) rather than punishing Dublin for being excellent.

Unfortunately that requires even more money, so what do the GAA do? As I said, they will be swayed by whatever generates a healthier bottom line. For years, that was made healthier by a strong Dublin team and a full Croke Park several days a year. Now that the pendulum has swung so far, that relative strength is actually having a detrimental effect on attendance, and if attendance and interest are affected, so too are the coffers in all counties.

It's a hard medium to find. The GAA needs a competitive Dublin, but it doesn't need, or can't have, a Dublin which through it's own strength reduces the interest in the games themselves.

When have they ever not been competitive?

True. I mean competitive in the sense of winning an All Ireland every 5 or 6 years.

Quote from: AZOffaly on February 03, 2016, 11:38:38 AM

Quote from: seafoid on February 03, 2016, 11:31:42 AM
The GAA should fix Leinster football. Dubs have 10  out of the last 11 I think

You're correct in what you said earlier. Offaly, Kildare, Meath and all the others should bear the brunt of the blame for their own issues, not cast arrows towards Dublin. However, if Offaly make the absolute most of their resources (and they are trying) the artificially inflated gap between themselves and Dublin will still not close, simply because Dublin is able to provide a huge amount of quality coaching and games development, thanks to money from Croke Park.

If that money is not a primary factor, and there is just something inherently better in the Dublin lads, then removing it should make no difference to the current state of play, and the money can be used elsewhere.

If it is a primary factor, then it has to be addressed, either by increasing money to the other counties, or reducing the money to Dublin. My preference would be to increase the money (assuming coherent plans on how to spend it are produced) rather than punishing Dublin for being excellent.

Unfortunately that requires even more money, so what do the GAA do? As I said, they will be swayed by whatever generates a healthier bottom line. For years, that was made healthier by a strong Dublin team and a full Croke Park several days a year. Now that the pendulum has swung so far, that relative strength is actually having a detrimental effect on attendance, and if attendance and interest are affected, so too are the coffers in all counties.

It's a hard medium to find. The GAA needs a competitive Dublin, but it doesn't need, or can't have, a Dublin which through it's own strength reduces the interest in the games themselves.

Not to labour the point but a lot more money could be generated by changing our competition structures and providing more competitive games between counties of similar ability. According to some posters here there is 15,000 expected at a February league between an experimental Dublin and an injury ravaged Mayo, the potential is clear. By also prioritising some other large counties for development you could easily generate the crowds that would allow greater developmental assistance to smaller counties like Offaly, Laois, Roscommon, Cavan etc.

There should be a 3 year moratorium on the provision of all central funding to Dublin.
That money can rest in our account in the meantime.

Meath and Leinster Council should have to provide Louth with €250k per annum till 2060 as reparations for the illegal result in 2010.

I think the Dubs devleopment squads should be forced to pack up any Caviar they don't eat after training and send it down the country to poor put upon lads in other academies.

There's no mention of proportionality in these figures. What percentage of the Irish population lives in County Dublin? Shouldn't the money dished out be somewhat on a per capita basis? If there are 20,000 kids playing U-14 in Dublin clubs and 300 in Leitrim, then surely the funding should be based on that? If there is a huge disparity in per capita funding, that is a different story.

Quote from: J70 on February 03, 2016, 02:30:23 PM
There's no mention of proportionality in these figures. What percentage of the Irish population lives in County Dublin? Shouldn't the money dished out be somewhat on a per capita basis? If there are 20,000 kids playing U-14 in Dublin clubs and 300 in Leitrim, then surely the funding should be based on that? If there is a huge disparity in per capita funding, that is a different story.

You can't just do it that way though. The structures can be flexed to support more or less participants, but the capital costs should be relatively equal. As I said, I don't really want to see Dublin losing what they are doing, I would just like to see other counties having the opportunity to provide the same quality to their players.

We have 4 GDAs in Tipp, and they cover both sports, with 1 GDA assigned per division. They organise coaching courses, visit schools, help with development squads, liaise with clubs in their divisions etc etc.

Development squads have a very constrained budget. They don't get any gear other than their jersey at the end of the year, and we don't give them food after training. We are allowed travel to one away challenge per YEAR, as well as our 3 blitzes. I don't believe Dublin mentors worry about any of that stuff, and that helps.

Mischievous reporting of figures as always to get the masses riled up.

Would personally like to see the total figures received by the counties totted up when Provincial council subsidies, Central council subsidies, Sports Grants, NI Govt grants .............. not to mention "sugar daddy" contributions etc  are all totted up.

Dublin probably would come tops but not imo anyway way out ahead.

Plenty of counties going on foreign training trips, having masses of backroom staff  etc and they ain' t all Dublin.

Still heaps of people in this country that just cannot and will not accept that the current crop of Dublin players are possibly the best around at the moment. Has to be the money/ "athleticism"  as it simply cannot be that they are better footballers .

There's no doubt about that Canalman, and I hope I'm not coming across as bitter about this. I genuinely think Dublin have done a fabulous job investing the money they do receive.

But if the money is not a factor, and the Dubs are just inherently better, then lets remove the money and see what happens. I think it's a huge factor. I know myself that financial constraints *do* affect your ability to develop players, expose them to playing with/against better players etc etc, as well as just the sheer logistics of providing quality coaching in the clubs. If you have more money, and don't have to worry as much about 'do we have enough money to run a bus to Tullamore', then it *has* to be a factor in the development of those great players.

I don't think anyone in their right mind wouldn't acknowledge Dublin have a fantastic team at present with some great footballers. I also don't think anyone outside of Dublin would would be of the opinion Dublin are  not in receipt of unfair funding . The figures speak for themselves.

Of course it's coming to light now because of dublins success on the field , it's hardly surprising other counties are looking to take away any advantage Dublin have , for goodness sake why wouldn't they look for fairness.

The home advantage issue is one thing but this is completely different and anyway the home advantage issue is down to gobshites like Sean boylan leading the way on the "everyone wants to play in Croker v the dubs " horse manure.  Dublin will not be beaten in Croker for the foreseeable but there was always a chance if you brought them to navan , portlaois etc against Meath,Laois , as for the token gesture of Nolan park , wow I can't believe the stupidity of some in that Leinster council.

Quote from: Jinxy on February 03, 2016, 11:52:30 AM

Quote from: AZOffaly on February 03, 2016, 11:38:38 AM

Quote from: seafoid on February 03, 2016, 11:31:42 AM
The GAA should fix Leinster football. Dubs have 10  out of the last 11 I think

You're correct in what you said earlier. Offaly, Kildare, Meath and all the others should bear the brunt of the blame for their own issues, not cast arrows towards Dublin. However, if Offaly make the absolute most of their resources (and they are trying) the artificially inflated gap between themselves and Dublin will still not close, simply because Dublin is able to provide a huge amount of quality coaching and games development, thanks to money from Croke Park.

If that money is not a primary factor, and there is just something inherently better in the Dublin lads, then removing it should make no difference to the current state of play, and the money can be used elsewhere.

If it is a primary factor, then it has to be addressed, either by increasing money to the other counties, or reducing the money to Dublin. My preference would be to increase the money (assuming coherent plans on how to spend it are produced) rather than punishing Dublin for being excellent.

Unfortunately that requires even more money, so what do the GAA do? As I said, they will be swayed by whatever generates a healthier bottom line. For years, that was made healthier by a strong Dublin team and a full Croke Park several days a year. Now that the pendulum has swung so far, that relative strength is actually having a detrimental effect on attendance, and if attendance and interest are affected, so too are the coffers in all counties.

It's a hard medium to find. The GAA needs a competitive Dublin, but it doesn't need, or can't have, a Dublin which through it's own strength reduces the interest in the games themselves.

When have they ever not been competitive?

95 to 05?;I remember long stretches. Only 4 all Irelands in 30 years I think.

Of course money is a big factor. More money = more widely available and better quality coaching for kids and teens which produces better adult footballers down the line. It's not rocket science.

Great teams may have come about almost by accident in the past but the availability of funding is becoming a much larger part in producing great sides.

Even leaving aside Dublin for the time being and looking inside my own province. I don't have the figures but I would be very surprised if Mayo haven't outspent every other county in Connacht over the past decade by a considerable distance. Whether it be on coaches, trainers, backroom staff, trips abroad, etc, etc. This being on football only obviously.

I don't think training camps abroad, or extended backrooms, are necessarily a game changer on a sustainable basis. They are short term measures targetted at the senior team. The coaching and games development spend is much more important for long term progress. Weather versus Climate :)

Here's what the Irish Times has to say.

Ten years ago, then GAA director general Liam Mulvihill said in a section subtitled 'Dublin' that the "excellent work being done in Dublin is evident in the success of the underage teams from the capital in Féile na nGael and Féile Peile".
He also said: "As a result of the money pumped in by the Irish Sports Council, the Leinster Council, Dublin County Committee and ourselves a total of 46 new people are now involved in games development activities in the city.
"I have said in the past that we cannot expect immediate recompense from this investment, as it is a long-term project and we must persevere with the hard, unfashionable work which draws no plaudits, but which is vital in terms of planting seeds for future success."
The years have rolled by and not only has the unfashionable work drawn no plaudits but its future success has proved a source of anxiety rather than celebration.
There were further questions at this week's launch of the GAA annual accounts about the huge disproportion between Dublin's games development grant of €1.46 million and that drawn down by other counties. Put in context it means that Dublin get 47 per cent of the total grants in this category disbursed to all the counties in Ireland.
To recap, the original funding announced by Dublin in 2005 involved the Irish Sports Council investing €1 million a year to develop participation in Gaelic games in the county. This was used to appoint Games Promotion Officers (GPOs) to clubs in order that they could assist with training and organisation as well as devising and implementing out-reach programmes to local schools.

It wasn't free to everyone and the funding basis is 50:50 between the participating clubs and the county board, which accesses the money through Croke Park, as that was how it was decided to distribute the ISC funding. Over the years the level of that funding has fallen back to around the €600,000 mark but Croke Park have topped up the difference to enable the programme to proceed,
The problem now is that, in contrast to 10 years ago when Dublin were in the midst of a 16-year senior All-Ireland drought, the county has won three of the last five. It also has access to greater sponsorship opportunities than other counties and the current deal with insurance multinational AIG is believed at nearly €1 million per annum to be comfortably more than twice what any other county can command.
The population advantages of having 1.3 million living in the county makes its attractions to advertisers and media obvious.
An interesting point made in the middle of Croke Park stadium director Peter McKenna's presentation was his reference to 'Dublin's domination in Leinster' being a factor in the stadium's €600,000 drop in match-day rental income.
Ironically one of the reasons counties in Leinster won't vote to send Dublin out of Croke Park for championship fixtures – unless drawn against them – is that there's more gate receipts for distribution if they're kept in the stadium.

Now there is an acknowledgement that the champions' domination of the province is affecting gate receipts.
It has equally been pointed out that addressing Dublin's imperium in Leinster is not really a matter for Dublin. That is true but as the county powers on with its development programme and growing success in bringing through young players to senior fulfilment the one thing most conspicuously lacking in Leinster is the sort of opposition that Meath and Kildare used to provide in the province.
Those counties can respond mournfully that their slice of the national games development cake – allowing that further grants are sourced through the Leinster Council in a manner that doesn't favour Dublin so disproportionately – is respectively €45,600 and €42,600.
Per capita that means that Dublin get more than a euro whereas Meath and Kildare are on 24 cent and 20 cent.
GAA director of finance Tom Ryan said at Tuesday's launch of accounts that there was a sub-committee appointed under the auspices of the National Finance Committee to look specifically at that question.
"It's not a question of trying to take resources away from particular counties, the job really should be to provide extra for all of the other counties. It's going to be a job of work that will probably take up to three years in terms of rebalancing competition dividends and things like that, but you will see some changes emerging from that group over the course of the next 18 months to three years."
Despite Ryan's assurances it's hard to see how any rebalancing can take place without reducing the money wealthier counties currently receive.

There is also a reason why this hasn't been done to date and that's partly because Croke Park don't want to be laying off GPOs and more critically because Dublin have been doing such a good job in promoting Gaelic games in the capital.
Much of the commercial appeal of the games is tied up with their profile in the country's biggest population centre. Neither do Dublin avail of the sort of fund-raising capacities that some of their national rivals can through strong immigrant identification in the US or active supporters' clubs.
GPOs must prove their worth. They have periodic review meetings every few months in which they lay out targets relating to both their clubs and local schools for the next period and account for progress in the previous one.
For the first time ever in Dublin the GAA is a visible, recreational presence throughout the county. The question for the GAA and it's a very hard one to address is: has it all been too much of a success?

Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 03, 2016, 03:11:04 PM
Of course money is a big factor. More money = more widely available and better quality coaching for kids and teens which produces better adult footballers down the line. It's not rocket science.

Great teams may have come about almost by accident in the past but the availability of funding is becoming a much larger part in producing great sides.

Even leaving aside Dublin for the time being and looking inside my own province. I don't have the figures but I would be very surprised if Mayo haven't outspent every other county in Connacht over the past decade by a considerable distance. Whether it be on coaches, trainers, backroom staff, trips abroad, etc, etc. This being on football only obviously.

Still won nothing

Quote from: J70 on February 03, 2016, 02:30:23 PM
There's no mention of proportionality in these figures. What percentage of the Irish population lives in County Dublin? Shouldn't the money dished out be somewhat on a per capita basis? If there are 20,000 kids playing U-14 in Dublin clubs and 300 in Leitrim, then surely the funding should be based on that? If there is a huge disparity in per capita funding, that is a different story.

I'm for rational distribution of facilities.
That the 300 kids in Leitrim have ready access to a similar standard of facilities (infrastructure and coaching) that the 20,000 in Dublin have.
That's my criteria for achieving more equality.
But in that scenario, Leitrim would need more funding  in proportion than Dublin would need.

Quote from: J70 on February 03, 2016, 02:30:23 PM
There's no mention of proportionality in these figures. What percentage of the Irish population lives in County Dublin? Shouldn't the money dished out be somewhat on a per capita basis? If there are 20,000 kids playing U-14 in Dublin clubs and 300 in Leitrim, then surely the funding should be based on that? If there is a huge disparity in per capita funding, that is a different story.

There a lot of young people in Dublin playing and it is very much in the GAA's interest to get these people playing. The success of Dublin is doing this is to be commended, other Eastern counties like Wicklow, Louth and Kildare have not shown much interest in GAA. The issue is whether this should be allowed imbalance all inter county competitions also in a scenario where 30% of the population live in Dublin.

30% is that correct. Top of my head 6 million population of 32 counties , .6 = 10% X 2 = 1.2 . Surely it's nearer 20% ?

If the Glazers continue to rape Man Utd there could be hundreds of thousands of Dubs turning up at GAA clubs to follow the Gah.

Quote from: larryin89 on February 03, 2016, 06:46:42 PM
30% is that correct. Top of my head 6 million population of 32 counties , .6 = 10% X 2 = 1.2 . Surely it's nearer 20% ?

There are still 3/4 million lost to us in the 6 counties owing to bigotry, and maybe more when this 6 county identity is promoted, which regards the GAA as being "divisive".
And Dublin's population is expected to grow by up to 300,000 between 2011 and 2031, so 2o something % now will approach 30% soon enough.

Quote from: seafoid on February 03, 2016, 03:01:09 PM

Quote from: Jinxy on February 03, 2016, 11:52:30 AM

Quote from: AZOffaly on February 03, 2016, 11:38:38 AM

Quote from: seafoid on February 03, 2016, 11:31:42 AM
The GAA should fix Leinster football. Dubs have 10  out of the last 11 I think

You're correct in what you said earlier. Offaly, Kildare, Meath and all the others should bear the brunt of the blame for their own issues, not cast arrows towards Dublin. However, if Offaly make the absolute most of their resources (and they are trying) the artificially inflated gap between themselves and Dublin will still not close, simply because Dublin is able to provide a huge amount of quality coaching and games development, thanks to money from Croke Park.

If that money is not a primary factor, and there is just something inherently better in the Dublin lads, then removing it should make no difference to the current state of play, and the money can be used elsewhere.

If it is a primary factor, then it has to be addressed, either by increasing money to the other counties, or reducing the money to Dublin. My preference would be to increase the money (assuming coherent plans on how to spend it are produced) rather than punishing Dublin for being excellent.

Unfortunately that requires even more money, so what do the GAA do? As I said, they will be swayed by whatever generates a healthier bottom line. For years, that was made healthier by a strong Dublin team and a full Croke Park several days a year. Now that the pendulum has swung so far, that relative strength is actually having a detrimental effect on attendance, and if attendance and interest are affected, so too are the coffers in all counties.

It's a hard medium to find. The GAA needs a competitive Dublin, but it doesn't need, or can't have, a Dublin which through it's own strength reduces the interest in the games themselves.

When have they ever not been competitive?

95 to 05?;I remember long stretches. Only 4 all Irelands in 30 years I think.

'Competitive' doesn't mean winning the thing outright.
Bear in mind that we had a serious team for much of that period and there was never much between us in Leinster.
No back door either.

The defensive attitude of Dublin fans on the excess funding they get reminds me of the unionists.

They have distinct advantages over everyone else and that's the way they feel it should be.

Quote from: Jinxy on February 03, 2016, 09:40:00 PM


'Competitive' doesn't mean winning the thing outright.
Bear in mind that we had a serious team for much of that period and there was never much between us in Leinster.
No back door either.

Exactly Meath and Kildare when winning Leinsters would always have a massive challenge against Dublin and I don't recall them ever taking too many hammerings. They were never far off and if not for being managed by Tommy Carr they might have been closer.

Just a question on 'the GAA needs a competitive Dublin'. Does it really? I know Dublin GAA needs a competitive Dublin, but to see them hockeying the shit out of other Leinster teams isn't good, I mean even the media were complaining when they dished out a hammering to Longford last year. Not directed directly at AZ but there's a vibe often said that Dublin needs to be competitive for the GAA to be successful. I suppose in terms of revenue that's probably true, but does it all have to be about the money?

Antrim recieved €47,400.
Thats probably the county withh the second largest city in it.

Fermanagh and Leitrim recieved €39000.
Only New York got less.

This money is for Games Development.

How do you develop games with those figures ?
Would that pay the salary of one games development officer ?

I have always said Fermanagh should never use the size argument.
It's about making the best of whatever resources you have but money talks. 

Membership of a Dublin club is approaching €200, country clubs are at most half that, some less than a quarter . Has to be a strong reason why Dublin clubs can afford half the salary of a GPO.

Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on February 04, 2016, 09:53:18 AM
Membership of a Dublin club is approaching €200, country clubs are at most half that, some less than a quarter . Has to be a strong reason why Dublin clubs can afford half the salary of a GPO.

Membership in our club is £30!

Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on February 04, 2016, 09:53:18 AM
Membership of a Dublin club is approaching €200, country clubs are at most half that, some less than a quarter . Has to be a strong reason why Dublin clubs can afford half the salary of a GPO.

Holy mo, that's crazy money. Players paying this as well?

Quote from: JoG2 on February 04, 2016, 10:44:33 AM

Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on February 04, 2016, 09:53:18 AM
Membership of a Dublin club is approaching €200, country clubs are at most half that, some less than a quarter . Has to be a strong reason why Dublin clubs can afford half the salary of a GPO.

Holy mo, that's crazy money. Players paying this as well?

That'd be the full playing membership. Students and youths would be around the €100 mark.

Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on February 04, 2016, 11:33:25 AM

Quote from: JoG2 on February 04, 2016, 10:44:33 AM

Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on February 04, 2016, 09:53:18 AM
Membership of a Dublin club is approaching €200, country clubs are at most half that, some less than a quarter . Has to be a strong reason why Dublin clubs can afford half the salary of a GPO.

Holy mo, that's crazy money. Players paying this as well?

That'd be the full playing membership. Students and youths would be around the €100 mark.

I pay a family membership 2 adults 2 kids €90 +€10 for every kid afterwards

Players pay €100. Students €80.

We need to split Dublin into 2, 3 or 4 "county" teams.

Imagine the state English soccer would be in if there was one 1 club in London.

Quote from: five points on February 04, 2016, 12:51:58 PM
We need to split Dublin into 2, 3 or 4 "county" teams.

Imagine the state English soccer would be in if there was one 1 club in London.

I dont think you can make that comparison.......unless your kildare or seany johnston, gahhh players cant transfer

No need to split them, the Dubs must stay.

Quote from: AZOffaly on February 04, 2016, 01:10:15 PM
No need to split them, the Dubs must stay.

With such an imbalance in population and good participation in GAA in Dublin ,how can meaningful Leinster championship survive, in football at least?

Quote from: armaghniac on February 04, 2016, 01:44:38 PM

Quote from: AZOffaly on February 04, 2016, 01:10:15 PM
No need to split them, the Dubs must stay.

With such an imbalance in population and good participation in GAA in Dublin ,how can meaningful Leinster championship survive, in football at least?

By addressing the financial and quality coaching imbalance. Dublin always had the population. Simply cutting it in two is solving the wrong problem.

Quote from: AZOffaly on February 04, 2016, 01:51:55 PM
By addressing the financial and quality coaching imbalance. Dublin always had the population. Simply cutting it in two is solving the wrong problem.

Dublin's population differential is increasing. When the GAA was founded Dublin had only twice or maybe three times the population of any of the bigger counties, and a quarter of them were unionist. Now it is eight times and growing. This population difference didn't impact on the GAA in earlier years, as Dublin was less well organised than rural counties, once the level of organisation becames as good the population will be begin to tell. Improving coaching out of Dublin may well a bit, but only a bit.

Improving coaching would be the biggest thing in my view. You can still only play 15, so if you are picking the best 15, and they are properly coached all the way up, and have the same opportunities as anyone else, then the 15 v 15 games should be more competitive.

In some senses population might even be a disadvantage, as talent can be lost through the gaps.

Quote from: five points on February 04, 2016, 12:51:58 PM
We need to split Dublin into 2, 3 or 4 "county" teams.

Imagine the state English soccer would be in if there was one 1 club in London.

How many ways would you split Kilkenny?

In fairness, all the money in the world and home games in the knock out stages of the League and Home games in the Championship can't guarantee you success and trophies. You also have to have a large and up coming set of players and a decent back room team. Players need to be set up in Jobs and Uni-courses that allow them to be semi professional. You also need a meals on wheels setup to keep the boys in line with diets. Money can't buy you any of these things. It's not about money, its about commitment. You can have all the money in the world but it wont give you commitment to a cause from the Management team and players. Will it? Ask any Dublin fan and they will tell you!

Quote from: The Hill is Blue on February 04, 2016, 02:45:35 PM
How many ways would you split Kilkenny?

Two - County Kilkenny and County Brian Cody. A bit unfair on rump Kilkenny, but there you go.

Quote from: The Hill is Blue on February 04, 2016, 02:45:35 PM

Quote from: five points on February 04, 2016, 12:51:58 PM
We need to split Dublin into 2, 3 or 4 "county" teams.

Imagine the state English soccer would be in if there was one 1 club in London.

How many ways would you split Kilkenny?

Why? What is their funding like?

Quote from: The Hill is Blue on February 04, 2016, 02:45:35 PM

Quote from: five points on February 04, 2016, 12:51:58 PM
We need to split Dublin into 2, 3 or 4 "county" teams.

Imagine the state English soccer would be in if there was one 1 club in London.

How many ways would you split Kilkenny?

One. And get them playing football.

This is what I dont understand.  People complain about Counties like Roscommon and the state of their grounds
Yet the larger counties, who are usually the ones doing the complaining, have more money at their disposal.
makes no sense

Quote from: Kurtz on February 04, 2016, 03:58:18 PM
This is what I dont understand.  People complain about Counties like Roscommon and the state of their grounds
Yet the larger counties, who are usually the ones doing the complaining, have more money at their disposal.
makes no sense

If they didn't blow all their cash on the bus they'd have the price of a lawnmower.

Quote from: Jinxy on February 04, 2016, 09:22:02 PM

Quote from: Kurtz on February 04, 2016, 03:58:18 PM
This is what I dont understand.  People complain about Counties like Roscommon and the state of their grounds
Yet the larger counties, who are usually the ones doing the complaining, have more money at their disposal.
makes no sense

If they didn't blow all their cash on the bus they'd have the price of a lawnmower.

At least we have concrete terraces behind the goals :P :-*

Interesting debate on this last night on OTB - their GAA coverage is miles ahead of their rugby coverage.

Best quote was from Michael Moynihan

QuoteThis is an existential crisis for the GAA, what is it there for?

http://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/123954/The_47__Dublins_unfair_proportion_of_GAA_funding (http://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/123954/The_47__Dublins_unfair_proportion_of_GAA_funding)

Reading this thread I think the question is would Dublin have won 3 out of the last 5 if they didn't get Irish Sports Council money and money from elsewhere? Would they have won any? Looking at it objectively I think it's fair to say that they would not have. They hadn't won any since 1995 and then suddenly they win 3 out 5. A coincidence? Doesn't seem likely.
So if they already have the best team in the country because of money paid to them, then surely they will only continue and improve on this? Seems a bit unfair. Surely they'll win at least 7 out of 10, how can they be stopped?

Quote from: Stad on February 05, 2016, 02:22:20 PM
Reading this thread I think the question is would Dublin have won 3 out of the last 5 if they didn't get Irish Sports Council money and money from elsewhere? Would they have won any? Looking at it objectively I think it's fair to say that they would not have. They hadn't won any since 1995 and then suddenly they win 3 out 5. A coincidence? Doesn't seem likely.
So if they already have the best team in the country because of money paid to them, then surely they will only continue and improve on this? Seems a bit unfair. Surely they'll win at least 7 out of 10, how can they be stopped?

You implement 'The Plan'

This plan has a few prerequisites: you'll need a team full of good footballers, a mixture of tenacious defenders, hardy pups, a Cluxtonesque 'keeper, a smattering of speed merchants and a very reliable free taker and a referee who'll buy any aul crap from players (most  if not all do)

1. Pack the defence, 15 if needed, regularly. Smother the Dubs, even in the wide expanses of Croke Park (in reality there are many pitches with the same of not bigger dimensions) there is only so much room in side the 45. 29 grown men running around like buck can get a bit claustrophobic

2. Never have 1 defender tackling the man in possession, get 3 or 4, but preferably 5 hammering at him. The ball will soon spill and the ref will thinks its actually physically possible that 5 grown men can all tackle the ball at the same time.

3. Hunt in packs hand passing the ball 2/3 meters left or right (those pesky foot passes can often skew off the boot and land anywhere but where you want them to go). Keep this going until you reach a point where you know your reliable free taker can score from. At this point, when the next touch of a defender lands on the man with the ball, fling yer neck back and a make a bee line for the turf. 80/90% of the time you'll get a free. This craic has to be practiced at every training session , it has to become an art form. A player might go too hollywood on it and alert the ref to the skullduggery and you'll actually have to be fouled for the remainder of the match to get a handy point

4. Sledge the absolute bejesus outta them. Castrate their minds with a good old tongue lashing, pretty much no topic is out of bounds. If a player reacts, and some do (you'll have your homework done on who the likely boys are), go to ground holding you face.

5. When the Dubs have their moment to shine, feign a head injury to kill any momentum. A head injury or a potential head injury (the ref wont know) will soon bring them down a peg or two

6. Pull, haul, drag etc your opposing man off the ball. See how far you can go re 3rd man tackling, blocking runs etc...the black card is seldom used, and even less at the business end of the season.

The Dubs' own fans stop turning up for the endless drubings is probably the only thing that will make HQ act strongly enough to properly correct the imbalance.

Never underestimate the number of idiots in Dublin

or in Ireland for that matter.

look at the amount of people who follow Man United, Liverpool, Chelsea etc religiously despite those sports clubs not having any ideals that you would want your own GAA club or county to ever have. 

I wonder does your average Dublin fan know about the money? Maybe they know about it but ignore it or try to push it to the side because it tarnishes their acheivements?

Quote from: Stad on February 05, 2016, 02:22:20 PM
Reading this thread I think the question is would Dublin have won 3 out of the last 5 if they didn't get Irish Sports Council money and money from elsewhere? Would they have won any? Looking at it objectively I think it's fair to say that they would not have. They hadn't won any since 1995 and then suddenly they win 3 out 5. A coincidence? Doesn't seem likely.
So if they already have the best team in the country because of money paid to them, then surely they will only continue and improve on this? Seems a bit unfair. Surely they'll win at least 7 out of 10, how can they be stopped?

The above logic is completely flawed. The increased funding
started  10 or 11 years ago. Most of the key men on the Dublin team were already adult footballers at that stage so would not have benefitted from extra games development money. Cluxton. The brogans, Connolly, Flynn, macauley, brennan, bastick etc were all in their late teens or early twenties. GPOs coming into their clubs would have zero influence on their development.

Indeed the Dublin football development squad system was extremely mediocre until 3 or 4 years ago. . This team will break up in the next few years and the golden era will end and while Dublin have been decent underage in recent years they have hardly dominated nationally. I reckon that all the players mentioned above will be retired within 2 or 3 years and Dublin will be back in the pack.

Finally I'm watching Dublin footballers since the 70s. Until recently Kildare, Meath, laois and Offaly would have had top teams winning or at least competing for major honours. Maybe instead of asking the question, how come Dublin are so good? These counties should ask the question how come.we are so bad?

Quote from: Michael Schmeichal on February 05, 2016, 05:46:06 PM

Quote from: Stad on February 05, 2016, 02:22:20 PM
Reading this thread I think the question is would Dublin have won 3 out of the last 5 if they didn't get Irish Sports Council money and money from elsewhere? Would they have won any? Looking at it objectively I think it's fair to say that they would not have. They hadn't won any since 1995 and then suddenly they win 3 out 5. A coincidence? Doesn't seem likely.
So if they already have the best team in the country because of money paid to them, then surely they will only continue and improve on this? Seems a bit unfair. Surely they'll win at least 7 out of 10, how can they be stopped?

The above logic is completely flawed. The increased funding
started  10 or 11 years ago. Most of the key men on the Dublin team were already adult footballers at that stage so would not have benefitted from extra games development money. Cluxton. The brogans, Connolly, Flynn, macauley, brennan, bastick etc were all in their late teens or early twenties. GPOs coming into their clubs would have zero influence on their development.

Indeed the Dublin football development squad system was extremely mediocre until 3 or 4 years ago. . This team will break up in the next few years and the golden era will end and while Dublin have been decent underage in recent years they have hardly dominated nationally. I reckon that all the players mentioned above will be retired within 2 or 3 years and Dublin will be back in the pack.

Finally I'm watching Dublin footballers since the 70s. Until recently Kildare, Meath, laois and Offaly would have had top teams winning or at least competing for major honours. Maybe instead of asking the question, how come Dublin are so good? These counties should ask the question how come.we are so bad?

Because they don't have the money to compete with a professional sports team. Next question.

Quote from: Syferus on February 05, 2016, 06:11:22 PM

Quote from: Michael Schmeichal on February 05, 2016, 05:46:06 PM

Quote from: Stad on February 05, 2016, 02:22:20 PM
Reading this thread I think the question is would Dublin have won 3 out of the last 5 if they didn't get Irish Sports Council money and money from elsewhere? Would they have won any? Looking at it objectively I think it's fair to say that they would not have. They hadn't won any since 1995 and then suddenly they win 3 out 5. A coincidence? Doesn't seem likely.
So if they already have the best team in the country because of money paid to them, then surely they will only continue and improve on this? Seems a bit unfair. Surely they'll win at least 7 out of 10, how can they be stopped?

The above logic is completely flawed. The increased funding
started  10 or 11 years ago. Most of the key men on the Dublin team were already adult footballers at that stage so would not have benefitted from extra games development money. Cluxton. The brogans, Connolly, Flynn, macauley, brennan, bastick etc were all in their late teens or early twenties. GPOs coming into their clubs would have zero influence on their development.

Indeed the Dublin football development squad system was extremely mediocre until 3 or 4 years ago. . This team will break up in the next few years and the golden era will end and while Dublin have been decent underage in recent years they have hardly dominated nationally. I reckon that all the players mentioned above will be retired within 2 or 3 years and Dublin will be back in the pack.

Finally I'm watching Dublin footballers since the 70s. Until recently Kildare, Meath, laois and Offaly would have had top teams winning or at least competing for major honours. Maybe instead of asking the question, how come Dublin are so good? These counties should ask the question how come.we are so bad?

Because they don't have the money to compete with a professional sports team. Next question.

Its not our fault you're crap Syferus

Quote from: Syferus on February 05, 2016, 06:11:22 PM

Quote from: Michael Schmeichal on February 05, 2016, 05:46:06 PM

Quote from: Stad on February 05, 2016, 02:22:20 PM
Reading this thread I think the question is would Dublin have won 3 out of the last 5 if they didn't get Irish Sports Council money and money from elsewhere? Would they have won any? Looking at it objectively I think it's fair to say that they would not have. They hadn't won any since 1995 and then suddenly they win 3 out 5. A coincidence? Doesn't seem likely.
So if they already have the best team in the country because of money paid to them, then surely they will only continue and improve on this? Seems a bit unfair. Surely they'll win at least 7 out of 10, how can they be stopped?

The above logic is completely flawed. The increased funding
started  10 or 11 years ago. Most of the key men on the Dublin team were already adult footballers at that stage so would not have benefitted from extra games development money. Cluxton. The brogans, Connolly, Flynn, macauley, brennan, bastick etc were all in their late teens or early twenties. GPOs coming into their clubs would have zero influence on their development.

Indeed the Dublin football development squad system was extremely mediocre until 3 or 4 years ago. . This team will break up in the next few years and the golden era will end and while Dublin have been decent underage in recent years they have hardly dominated nationally. I reckon that all the players mentioned above will be retired within 2 or 3 years and Dublin will be back in the pack.

Finally I'm watching Dublin footballers since the 70s. Until recently Kildare, Meath, laois and Offaly would have had top teams winning or at least competing for major honours. Maybe instead of asking the question, how come Dublin are so good? These counties should ask the question how come.we are so bad?

Because they don't have the money to compete with a professional sports team. Next question.

Roscommon were crap before this Dublin team started winning all Irelands and chances are they will still be crap long after their finished winning them

Quote from: Michael Schmeichal on February 05, 2016, 07:35:45 PM

Quote from: Syferus on February 05, 2016, 06:11:22 PM

Quote from: Michael Schmeichal on February 05, 2016, 05:46:06 PM

Quote from: Stad on February 05, 2016, 02:22:20 PM
Reading this thread I think the question is would Dublin have won 3 out of the last 5 if they didn't get Irish Sports Council money and money from elsewhere? Would they have won any? Looking at it objectively I think it's fair to say that they would not have. They hadn't won any since 1995 and then suddenly they win 3 out 5. A coincidence? Doesn't seem likely.
So if they already have the best team in the country because of money paid to them, then surely they will only continue and improve on this? Seems a bit unfair. Surely they'll win at least 7 out of 10, how can they be stopped?

The above logic is completely flawed. The increased funding
started  10 or 11 years ago. Most of the key men on the Dublin team were already adult footballers at that stage so would not have benefitted from extra games development money. Cluxton. The brogans, Connolly, Flynn, macauley, brennan, bastick etc were all in their late teens or early twenties. GPOs coming into their clubs would have zero influence on their development.

Indeed the Dublin football development squad system was extremely mediocre until 3 or 4 years ago. . This team will break up in the next few years and the golden era will end and while Dublin have been decent underage in recent years they have hardly dominated nationally. I reckon that all the players mentioned above will be retired within 2 or 3 years and Dublin will be back in the pack.

Finally I'm watching Dublin footballers since the 70s. Until recently Kildare, Meath, laois and Offaly would have had top teams winning or at least competing for major honours. Maybe instead of asking the question, how come Dublin are so good? These counties should ask the question how come.we are so bad?

Because they don't have the money to compete with a professional sports team. Next question.

Roscommon were crap before this Dublin team started winning all Irelands and chances are they will still be crap long after their finished winning them

Point proven. Sad some try to defend the money as not being the reason for the imbalance and when they're called on it they're reduced to the above two posts.

Quote from: Michael Schmeichal on February 05, 2016, 05:46:06 PM

Quote from: Stad on February 05, 2016, 02:22:20 PM
Reading this thread I think the question is would Dublin have won 3 out of the last 5 if they didn't get Irish Sports Council money and money from elsewhere? Would they have won any? Looking at it objectively I think it's fair to say that they would not have. They hadn't won any since 1995 and then suddenly they win 3 out 5. A coincidence? Doesn't seem likely.
So if they already have the best team in the country because of money paid to them, then surely they will only continue and improve on this? Seems a bit unfair. Surely they'll win at least 7 out of 10, how can they be stopped?

The above logic is completely flawed. The increased funding
started  10 or 11 years ago. Most of the key men on the Dublin team were already adult footballers at that stage so would not have benefitted from extra games development money. Cluxton. The brogans, Connolly, Flynn, macauley, brennan, bastick etc were all in their late teens or early twenties. GPOs coming into their clubs would have zero influence on their development.

Indeed the Dublin football development squad system was extremely mediocre until 3 or 4 years ago. . This team will break up in the next few years and the golden era will end and while Dublin have been decent underage in recent years they have hardly dominated nationally. I reckon that all the players mentioned above will be retired within 2 or 3 years and Dublin will be back in the pack.

Finally I'm watching Dublin footballers since the 70s. Until recently Kildare, Meath, laois and Offaly would have had top teams winning or at least competing for major honours. Maybe instead of asking the question, how come Dublin are so good? These counties should ask the question how come.we are so bad?

So how come those players you listed weren't winning 3 out of 5 before the 2011? If I remember correctly they were getting many the beating against Kerry, Tyrone etc. Did the players that benefitted from the extra money push them from being an average team to what they are now?

How can they go back into the pack when according to people here they're getting over 2 million to develop players? It would seem impossible.

Over 12 years this funding is in place.

So any 26 year old on the Dublin panel would have come onto the U14 development squad aged 13/14. So a good chunk of them have benefitted.

Quote from: Stad on February 05, 2016, 08:06:23 PM

Quote from: Michael Schmeichal on February 05, 2016, 05:46:06 PM

Quote from: Stad on February 05, 2016, 02:22:20 PM
Reading this thread I think the question is would Dublin have won 3 out of the last 5 if they didn't get Irish Sports Council money and money from elsewhere? Would they have won any? Looking at it objectively I think it's fair to say that they would not have. They hadn't won any since 1995 and then suddenly they win 3 out 5. A coincidence? Doesn't seem likely.
So if they already have the best team in the country because of money paid to them, then surely they will only continue and improve on this? Seems a bit unfair. Surely they'll win at least 7 out of 10, how can they be stopped?

The above logic is completely flawed. The increased funding
started  10 or 11 years ago. Most of the key men on the Dublin team were already adult footballers at that stage so would not have benefitted from extra games development money. Cluxton. The brogans, Connolly, Flynn, macauley, brennan, bastick etc were all in their late teens or early twenties. GPOs coming into their clubs would have zero influence on their development.

Indeed the Dublin football development squad system was extremely mediocre until 3 or 4 years ago. . This team will break up in the next few years and the golden era will end and while Dublin have been decent underage in recent years they have hardly dominated nationally. I reckon that all the players mentioned above will be retired within 2 or 3 years and Dublin will be back in the pack.

Finally I'm watching Dublin footballers since the 70s. Until recently Kildare, Meath, laois and Offaly would have had top teams winning or at least competing for major honours. Maybe instead of asking the question, how come Dublin are so good? These counties should ask the question how come.we are so bad?

So how come those players you listed weren't winning 3 out of 5 before the 2011? If I remember correctly they were getting many the beating against Kerry, Tyrone etc. Did the players that benefitted from the extra money push them from being an average team to what they are now?

How can they go back into the pack when according to people here they're getting over 2 million to develop players? It would seem impossible.

I'd say the fact they got rid of pillar Caffery and. brought in pat Gilroy may have had something to do with it.

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on February 05, 2016, 08:12:53 PM
Over 12 years this funding is in place.

So any 26 year old on the Dublin panel would have come onto the U14 development squad aged 13/14. So a good chunk of them have benefitted.

I have some involvement with Dublin development squads. They are pretty much the same.as the Tipp squads listed above. One t shirt per year gear along with sorts and socks. One or two away games.aside from blitzes. No strength and conditioning  activity until.u17. These.are the facts. There is no more money spent on them than there is anywhere else and considerably less.than a lot of.counties.

Quote from: Michael Schmeichal on February 06, 2016, 12:12:00 AM

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on February 05, 2016, 08:12:53 PM
Over 12 years this funding is in place.

So any 26 year old on the Dublin panel would have come onto the U14 development squad aged 13/14. So a good chunk of them have benefitted.

I have some involvement with Dublin development squads. They are pretty much the same.as the Tipp squads listed above. One t shirt per year gear along with sorts and socks. One or two away games.aside from blitzes. No strength and conditioning  activity until.u17. These.are the facts. There is no more money spent on them than there is anywhere else and considerably less.than a lot of.counties.

Counties like Mayo are burying themselves in huge debt to try and keep up with what Dublin are spending on their senior team at the minute. They have the biggest sponsorship deal in the country, their income dwarfs that of every other county in the country, they have a  big brand and good relationships with big companies. They should be able to finance themselves accordingly without the help of central funding.

I don't know if Dublin and Mayo disclose the money they are currently pumping in to their senior team but I would imagine it is obscene. The difference is Dublin are well able to sustain that money year on year while also providing the very best for underage football and development in the county. Mayo on the other hand are throwing their lot on this particular generation of players and won't be able to sustain it in the long run.

Tyrone in comparison operate on very strict budgets and I would hazard a guess that their spend on county teams is significantly less than Mayo's or Dublin's last year.

Kerry also seem to be pretty well ran but they have the caveat of Kerry Group if they ever feel like they're falling behind the field.

Donegal have pumped a lot of money in the last few years but I get the feeling that is being reined in now.

Dublin are like the juiced up cyclist, it can set the pace and it knows that nobody else has the reserves to properly keep up with it. As I said earlier the Dublin fans who deny these advantages and are unwilling to admit they exist remind me of unionists. It shouldn't be used to diminish their achievements but this money has created a huge imbalance in the Championship.

Kerry have always dished out beatings in Munster because they are the only footballing team in the province. Nothing will ever probably change there unless football starts to gain a foothold in other counties.

There's only about 3 or 4 teams in the entire country who you could see get within 10 points of Dublin in a big game, this was never the case with Tyrone or the Kerry teams that dominated football in the past decade. This was pre an era of massive financial discrepancy. Kerry and Tyrone may have been putting more money into their teams than most but they weren't putting 20 or 30 times what some of the rest of the field were.

Mayo's dominance of Connacht is a worry at the minute (by dominance I mean them handing 20+ point beatings out regularly) but in the long run they don't have the money to sustain what they're at and that domination will end.

Dublin's dominance of Leinster and Ireland will continue as they have the money to sustain it and nobody can match them.

Quote from: Michael Schmeichal on February 06, 2016, 12:12:00 AM

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on February 05, 2016, 08:12:53 PM
Over 12 years this funding is in place.

So any 26 year old on the Dublin panel would have come onto the U14 development squad aged 13/14. So a good chunk of them have benefitted.

I have some involvement with Dublin development squads. They are pretty much the same.as the Tipp squads listed above. One t shirt per year gear along with sorts and socks. One or two away games.aside from blitzes. No strength and conditioning  activity until.u17. These.are the facts. There is no more money spent on them than there is anywhere else and considerably less.than a lot of.counties.

Ok.
What about the quality of coaching they receive from full time staff? Having the full time staff to plan and co-ordinate the whole thing.
The fact most of those players have come from clubs where there have been full time GPOs in place to plan and deliver coaches plans in clubs.

Its not a coincidence that Dublin have probably the best coach education and workshop program for coaches in the country

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on February 06, 2016, 08:51:58 AM

Quote from: Michael Schmeichal on February 06, 2016, 12:12:00 AM

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on February 05, 2016, 08:12:53 PM
Over 12 years this funding is in place.

So any 26 year old on the Dublin panel would have come onto the U14 development squad aged 13/14. So a good chunk of them have benefitted.

I have some involvement with Dublin development squads. They are pretty much the same.as the Tipp squads listed above. One t shirt per year gear along with sorts and socks. One or two away games.aside from blitzes. No strength and conditioning  activity until.u17. These.are the facts. There is no more money spent on them than there is anywhere else and considerably less.than a lot of.counties.

Ok.
What about the quality of coaching they receive from full time staff? Having the full time staff to plan and co-ordinate the whole thing.
The fact most of those players have come from clubs where there have been full time GPOs in place to plan and deliver coaches plans in clubs.

Its not a coincidence that Dublin have probably the best coach education and workshop program for coaches in the country

I've seen first hand the backroom team the Dublin feile teams bring,  it's pretty much the same as a senior county setup! 

Quote
Mayo's dominance of Connacht is a worry at the minute (by dominance I mean them handing 20+ point beatings out regularly) 

Over the last 5 years I can only think of three 20+ point wins Mayo had, leitrim at home New York and Sligo in last years Connacht final. Galway gave Mayo a good game last year,Roscommon twice got within one score of Mayo in 2011,2014. Sligo lost the Connacht final by only 2 points in 2012 and London brought Mayo to extra time in 2011.

Won 3 out of the last 5 and will win 3 out of the next 5, yeah money might be an issue to an extent but i put it down to a serious set of players especially forwards, Teams come and go, this is Dublin's best team, better than the 70`s teams but all good things come to an end.

Donegal have 2 serious minor teams to work on, Tyrone are picking up the pace again, but it will be Kerry that will end Dublin's Dominance. They have a set of players coming through from past 2/3 minor teams that will eclipse all before them in about 5/6yrs time. This doesnt help Leinster though, Meath and kildare are miles of the pace.

Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 06, 2016, 07:33:13 AM

Quote from: Michael Schmeichal on February 06, 2016, 12:12:00 AM

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on February 05, 2016, 08:12:53 PM
Over 12 years this funding is in place.

So any 26 year old on the Dublin panel would have come onto the U14 development squad aged 13/14. So a good chunk of them have benefitted.

I have some involvement with Dublin development squads. They are pretty much the same.as the Tipp squads listed above. One t shirt per year gear along with sorts and socks. One or two away games.aside from blitzes. No strength and conditioning  activity until.u17. These.are the facts. There is no more money spent on them than there is anywhere else and considerably less.than a lot of.counties.

Counties like Mayo are burying themselves in huge debt to try and keep up with what Dublin are spending on their senior team at the minute. They have the biggest sponsorship deal in the country, their income dwarfs that of every other county in the country, they have a  big brand and good relationships with big companies. They should be able to finance themselves accordingly without the help of central funding.

I don't know if Dublin and Mayo disclose the money they are currently pumping in to their senior team but I would imagine it is obscene. The difference is Dublin are well able to sustain that money year on year while also providing the very best for underage football and development in the county. Mayo on the other hand are throwing their lot on this particular generation of players and won't be able to sustain it in the long run.

Tyrone in comparison operate on very strict budgets and I would hazard a guess that their spend on county teams is significantly less than Mayo's or Dublin's last year.

Kerry also seem to be pretty well ran but they have the caveat of Kerry Group if they ever feel like they're falling behind the field.

Donegal have pumped a lot of money in the last few years but I get the feeling that is being reined in now.

Dublin are like the juiced up cyclist, it can set the pace and it knows that nobody else has the reserves to properly keep up with it. As I said earlier the Dublin fans who deny these advantages and are unwilling to admit they exist remind me of unionists. It shouldn't be used to diminish their achievements but this money has created a huge imbalance in the Championship.

Kerry have always dished out beatings in Munster because they are the only footballing team in the province. Nothing will ever probably change there unless football starts to gain a foothold in other counties.

There's only about 3 or 4 teams in the entire country who you could see get within 10 points of Dublin in a big game, this was never the case with Tyrone or the Kerry teams that dominated football in the past decade. This was pre an era of massive financial discrepancy. Kerry and Tyrone may have been putting more money into their teams than most but they weren't putting 20 or 30 times what some of the rest of the field were.

Mayo's dominance of Connacht is a worry at the minute (by dominance I mean them handing 20+ point beatings out regularly) but in the long run they don't have the money to sustain what they're at and that domination will end.

Dublin's dominance of Leinster and Ireland will continue as they have the money to sustain it and nobody can match them.

You don't have to make (erroneous) guesses about what counties spend each year.
Annual reports are available online, with easy to read balance sheet summaries.
Tyrone in particular in 2013 were a model of efficiency, realised a surplus, yet actually spent more than Mayo.

And Dublin GAA themselves can finance a good % of those expenditures that central GAA funds are covering.
We can call that strategy, DublinGo.

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 06, 2016, 12:37:34 PM

Donegal have 2 serious minor teams to work on, Tyrone are picking up the pace again, but it will be Kerry that will end Dublin's Dominance. They have a set of players coming through from past 2/3 minor teams that will eclipse all before them in about 5/6yrs time. This doesnt help Leinster though, Meath and kildare are miles of the pace.

Kildare have been more than a match for Dublin at underage level for the last decade or so. The gap in funding for preparing the senior teams is the reason for the gulf in class.

Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on February 06, 2016, 03:54:11 PM

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 06, 2016, 12:37:34 PM

Donegal have 2 serious minor teams to work on, Tyrone are picking up the pace again, but it will be Kerry that will end Dublin's Dominance. They have a set of players coming through from past 2/3 minor teams that will eclipse all before them in about 5/6yrs time. This doesnt help Leinster though, Meath and kildare are miles of the pace.

Kildare have been more than a match for Dublin at underage level for the last decade or so. The gap in funding for preparing the senior teams is the reason for the gulf in class.

Difference is that the Dublin underage teams went on to win All Irelands. We've only managed one All Ireland final appearance which we lost at minor or u21 in those ten years.

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 06, 2016, 03:52:44 PM
Apparently half this team play for a divisional side or kenmare? damn strange Junior side

Are divisional sides not made up of Junior players?

Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 06, 2016, 04:01:39 PM

Difference is that the Dublin underage teams went on to win All Irelands. We've only managed one All Ireland final appearance which we lost at minor or u21 in those ten years.

True enough but we do have the better of them in head to head battles. If not for the disastrous years wasted under Jarlath Gilroy at minor and Alan Barry at under 21 it might have been a better record.

The 2013 under 21 team really should have won the AI though, the bottle job with their shooting in that semi final still haunts me.

Quote from: Main Street on February 06, 2016, 02:30:24 PM

Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 06, 2016, 07:33:13 AM

Quote from: Michael Schmeichal on February 06, 2016, 12:12:00 AM

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on February 05, 2016, 08:12:53 PM
Over 12 years this funding is in place.

So any 26 year old on the Dublin panel would have come onto the U14 development squad aged 13/14. So a good chunk of them have benefitted.

I have some involvement with Dublin development squads. They are pretty much the same.as the Tipp squads listed above. One t shirt per year gear along with sorts and socks. One or two away games.aside from blitzes. No strength and conditioning  activity until.u17. These.are the facts. There is no more money spent on them than there is anywhere else and considerably less.than a lot of.counties.

Counties like Mayo are burying themselves in huge debt to try and keep up with what Dublin are spending on their senior team at the minute. They have the biggest sponsorship deal in the country, their income dwarfs that of every other county in the country, they have a  big brand and good relationships with big companies. They should be able to finance themselves accordingly without the help of central funding.

I don't know if Dublin and Mayo disclose the money they are currently pumping in to their senior team but I would imagine it is obscene. The difference is Dublin are well able to sustain that money year on year while also providing the very best for underage football and development in the county. Mayo on the other hand are throwing their lot on this particular generation of players and won't be able to sustain it in the long run.

Tyrone in comparison operate on very strict budgets and I would hazard a guess that their spend on county teams is significantly less than Mayo's or Dublin's last year.

Kerry also seem to be pretty well ran but they have the caveat of Kerry Group if they ever feel like they're falling behind the field.

Donegal have pumped a lot of money in the last few years but I get the feeling that is being reined in now.

Dublin are like the juiced up cyclist, it can set the pace and it knows that nobody else has the reserves to properly keep up with it. As I said earlier the Dublin fans who deny these advantages and are unwilling to admit they exist remind me of unionists. It shouldn't be used to diminish their achievements but this money has created a huge imbalance in the Championship.

Kerry have always dished out beatings in Munster because they are the only footballing team in the province. Nothing will ever probably change there unless football starts to gain a foothold in other counties.

There's only about 3 or 4 teams in the entire country who you could see get within 10 points of Dublin in a big game, this was never the case with Tyrone or the Kerry teams that dominated football in the past decade. This was pre an era of massive financial discrepancy. Kerry and Tyrone may have been putting more money into their teams than most but they weren't putting 20 or 30 times what some of the rest of the field were.

Mayo's dominance of Connacht is a worry at the minute (by dominance I mean them handing 20+ point beatings out regularly) but in the long run they don't have the money to sustain what they're at and that domination will end.

Dublin's dominance of Leinster and Ireland will continue as they have the money to sustain it and nobody can match them.

You don't have to make (erroneous) guesses about what counties spend each year.
Annual reports are available online, with easy to read balance sheet summaries.
Tyrone in particular in 2013 were a model of efficiency, realised a surplus, yet actually spent more than Mayo.

And Dublin GAA themselves can finance a good % of those expenditures that central GAA funds are covering.
We can call that strategy, DublinGo.

Erroneous?

Tyrone spent £430k on county teams this year, using a fx rate of £0.7 that comes in at €615k. That also covers an U21 side who won an All Ireland as well as an All Ireland semi-finalist team who played an extra game to Mayo.

Mayo spent €880k on their county teams last year, that's 43% more than Tyrone spent.

In 2014 it was €587k (£411k) v €887k  and that's using a fx rate of 0.7 which is probably not correct given that sterling has began to notably gain strength in the past 18 months.

In 2013 it was €668k (£469k) v €906k, again that's probably an inflated figure for Tyrone as a fx figure of 0.7 is used.

So for the past three years, Mayo have been spending on average 200-300k more on their county teams than Tyrone. That's not far off €1m in those three years.

I suspect you check your figures in future before erroneously accusing others of being wrong.

Funny enough, I'm finding it quite tough to find the figures for Dublin and what they are spending on their county teams.

Dublin's spend on county teams in 2012 was €1.6m according to this article.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/counties-sixfigure-budget-deficits-have-gaa-on-alert-29051723.html

Income: €3,264,394
Expenditure: €3,105,613
Surplus: €158,781
A decent surplus, but their spend on inter-county preparation was still the highest by some distance, in excess of €1.6m, despite not being in an All-Ireland football final and their early exit in the hurling championship.

I would estimate it is about €2m+ now given the money rolling into the Dubs. I would also estimate that the apportioning of this figure is about 60:40 football to hurling which will put an estimated figure of €1.2m+ forward.

Quote from: Cunny Funt on February 06, 2016, 12:16:00 PM

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Mayo's dominance of Connacht is a worry at the minute (by dominance I mean them handing 20+ point beatings out regularly) 

Over the last 5 years I can only think of three 20+ point wins Mayo had, leitrim at home New York and Sligo in last years Connacht final. Galway gave Mayo a good game last year,Roscommon twice got within one score of Mayo in 2011,2014. Sligo lost the Connacht final by only 2 points in 2012 and London brought Mayo to extra time in 2011.

12, 17 and 16 point victories in 2013 in their 3 Connacht matches against Roscommon, Galway and London.

20, 1 and 8 point victories in 2014 in their 3 Connacht games against New York, Roscommon and Galway.

4 and 24 point victories last year against Galway and Sligo.

I think the two victories against Galway in the past two years have been a bit flattering for Galway, Mayo looked like they could kick on and win by more if they needed to.

That should worry you.

Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 06, 2016, 06:21:22 PM

Quote from: Cunny Funt on February 06, 2016, 12:16:00 PM

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Mayo's dominance of Connacht is a worry at the minute (by dominance I mean them handing 20+ point beatings out regularly) 

Over the last 5 years I can only think of three 20+ point wins Mayo had, leitrim at home New York and Sligo in last years Connacht final. Galway gave Mayo a good game last year,Roscommon twice got within one score of Mayo in 2011,2014. Sligo lost the Connacht final by only 2 points in 2012 and London brought Mayo to extra time in 2011.

12, 17 and 16 point victories in 2013 in their 3 Connacht matches against Roscommon, Galway and London.

20, 1 and 8 point victories in 2014 in their 3 Connacht games against New York, Roscommon and Galway.

4 and 24 point victories last year against Galway and Sligo.

I think the two victories against Galway in the past two years have been a bit flattering for Galway, Mayo looked like they could kick on and win by more if they needed to.

That should worry you.

look at U21 and minor results for the past few years in Connacht and see which way the pendulum is swinging

Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 06, 2016, 06:21:22 PM

Quote from: Cunny Funt on February 06, 2016, 12:16:00 PM

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Mayo's dominance of Connacht is a worry at the minute (by dominance I mean them handing 20+ point beatings out regularly) 

Over the last 5 years I can only think of three 20+ point wins Mayo had, leitrim at home New York and Sligo in last years Connacht final. Galway gave Mayo a good game last year,Roscommon twice got within one score of Mayo in 2011,2014. Sligo lost the Connacht final by only 2 points in 2012 and London brought Mayo to extra time in 2011.

12, 17 and 16 point victories in 2013 in their 3 Connacht matches against Roscommon, Galway and London.

20, 1 and 8 point victories in 2014 in their 3 Connacht games against New York, Roscommon and Galway.

4 and 24 point victories last year against Galway and Sligo.

I think the two victories against Galway in the past two years have been a bit flattering for Galway, Mayo looked like they could kick on and win by more if they needed to.

That should worry you.

Actually thought we should have been closer than 4 last year considering we scored a flukey own goal on ourselves.

Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 06, 2016, 06:21:22 PM

Quote from: Cunny Funt on February 06, 2016, 12:16:00 PM

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Mayo's dominance of Connacht is a worry at the minute (by dominance I mean them handing 20+ point beatings out regularly) 

Over the last 5 years I can only think of three 20+ point wins Mayo had, leitrim at home New York and Sligo in last years Connacht final. Galway gave Mayo a good game last year,Roscommon twice got within one score of Mayo in 2011,2014. Sligo lost the Connacht final by only 2 points in 2012 and London brought Mayo to extra time in 2011.

12, 17 and 16 point victories in 2013 in their 3 Connacht matches against Roscommon, Galway and London.

20, 1 and 8 point victories in 2014 in their 3 Connacht games against New York, Roscommon and Galway.

4 and 24 point victories last year against Galway and Sligo.

I think the two victories against Galway in the past two years have been a bit flattering for Galway, Mayo looked like they could kick on and win by more if they needed to.

That should worry you.

Only 2013 have Mayo had it all their own way and that was a Mayo team that hammered the defending All Ireland champions in the quarter final.Thanks  you proved my point that Mayo have not been winning games in Connacht by 20+ points regularly.

Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 06, 2016, 05:45:57 PM

Quote from: Main Street on February 06, 2016, 02:30:24 PM

Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 06, 2016, 07:33:13 AM

Quote from: Michael Schmeichal on February 06, 2016, 12:12:00 AM

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on February 05, 2016, 08:12:53 PM
Over 12 years this funding is in place.

So any 26 year old on the Dublin panel would have come onto the U14 development squad aged 13/14. So a good chunk of them have benefitted.

I have some involvement with Dublin development squads. They are pretty much the same.as the Tipp squads listed above. One t shirt per year gear along with sorts and socks. One or two away games.aside from blitzes. No strength and conditioning  activity until.u17. These.are the facts. There is no more money spent on them than there is anywhere else and considerably less.than a lot of.counties.

Counties like Mayo are burying themselves in huge debt to try and keep up with what Dublin are spending on their senior team at the minute. They have the biggest sponsorship deal in the country, their income dwarfs that of every other county in the country, they have a  big brand and good relationships with big companies. They should be able to finance themselves accordingly without the help of central funding.

I don't know if Dublin and Mayo disclose the money they are currently pumping in to their senior team but I would imagine it is obscene. The difference is Dublin are well able to sustain that money year on year while also providing the very best for underage football and development in the county. Mayo on the other hand are throwing their lot on this particular generation of players and won't be able to sustain it in the long run.

Tyrone in comparison operate on very strict budgets and I would hazard a guess that their spend on county teams is significantly less than Mayo's or Dublin's last year.

Kerry also seem to be pretty well ran but they have the caveat of Kerry Group if they ever feel like they're falling behind the field.

Donegal have pumped a lot of money in the last few years but I get the feeling that is being reined in now.

Dublin are like the juiced up cyclist, it can set the pace and it knows that nobody else has the reserves to properly keep up with it. As I said earlier the Dublin fans who deny these advantages and are unwilling to admit they exist remind me of unionists. It shouldn't be used to diminish their achievements but this money has created a huge imbalance in the Championship.

Kerry have always dished out beatings in Munster because they are the only footballing team in the province. Nothing will ever probably change there unless football starts to gain a foothold in other counties.

There's only about 3 or 4 teams in the entire country who you could see get within 10 points of Dublin in a big game, this was never the case with Tyrone or the Kerry teams that dominated football in the past decade. This was pre an era of massive financial discrepancy. Kerry and Tyrone may have been putting more money into their teams than most but they weren't putting 20 or 30 times what some of the rest of the field were.

Mayo's dominance of Connacht is a worry at the minute (by dominance I mean them handing 20+ point beatings out regularly) but in the long run they don't have the money to sustain what they're at and that domination will end.

Dublin's dominance of Leinster and Ireland will continue as they have the money to sustain it and nobody can match them.

You don't have to make (erroneous) guesses about what counties spend each year.
Annual reports are available online, with easy to read balance sheet summaries.
Tyrone in particular in 2013 were a model of efficiency, realised a surplus, yet actually spent more than Mayo.

And Dublin GAA themselves can finance a good % of those expenditures that central GAA funds are covering.
We can call that strategy, DublinGo.

Erroneous?

Tyrone spent £430k on county teams this year, using a fx rate of £0.7 that comes in at €615k. That also covers an U21 side who won an All Ireland as well as an All Ireland semi-finalist team who played an extra game to Mayo.

Mayo spent €880k on their county teams last year, that's 43% more than Tyrone spent.

In 2014 it was €587k (£411k) v €887k  and that's using a fx rate of 0.7 which is probably not correct given that sterling has began to notably gain strength in the past 18 months.

In 2013 it was €668k (£469k) v €906k, again that's probably an inflated figure for Tyrone as a fx figure of 0.7 is used.

So for the past three years, Mayo have been spending on average 200-300k more on their county teams than Tyrone. That's not far off €1m in those three years.

I suspect you check your figures in future before erroneously accusing others of being wrong.

Yes, you are much more accurate about Mayo expenditure that I was,
Tyrone run a much tighter ship than free spending Mayo.

Quote from: Main Street on February 06, 2016, 07:16:44 PM

Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 06, 2016, 05:45:57 PM

Quote from: Main Street on February 06, 2016, 02:30:24 PM

Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 06, 2016, 07:33:13 AM

Quote from: Michael Schmeichal on February 06, 2016, 12:12:00 AM

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on February 05, 2016, 08:12:53 PM
Over 12 years this funding is in place.

So any 26 year old on the Dublin panel would have come onto the U14 development squad aged 13/14. So a good chunk of them have benefitted.

I have some involvement with Dublin development squads. They are pretty much the same.as the Tipp squads listed above. One t shirt per year gear along with sorts and socks. One or two away games.aside from blitzes. No strength and conditioning  activity until.u17. These.are the facts. There is no more money spent on them than there is anywhere else and considerably less.than a lot of.counties.

Counties like Mayo are burying themselves in huge debt to try and keep up with what Dublin are spending on their senior team at the minute. They have the biggest sponsorship deal in the country, their income dwarfs that of every other county in the country, they have a  big brand and good relationships with big companies. They should be able to finance themselves accordingly without the help of central funding.

I don't know if Dublin and Mayo disclose the money they are currently pumping in to their senior team but I would imagine it is obscene. The difference is Dublin are well able to sustain that money year on year while also providing the very best for underage football and development in the county. Mayo on the other hand are throwing their lot on this particular generation of players and won't be able to sustain it in the long run.

Tyrone in comparison operate on very strict budgets and I would hazard a guess that their spend on county teams is significantly less than Mayo's or Dublin's last year.

Kerry also seem to be pretty well ran but they have the caveat of Kerry Group if they ever feel like they're falling behind the field.

Donegal have pumped a lot of money in the last few years but I get the feeling that is being reined in now.

Dublin are like the juiced up cyclist, it can set the pace and it knows that nobody else has the reserves to properly keep up with it. As I said earlier the Dublin fans who deny these advantages and are unwilling to admit they exist remind me of unionists. It shouldn't be used to diminish their achievements but this money has created a huge imbalance in the Championship.

Kerry have always dished out beatings in Munster because they are the only footballing team in the province. Nothing will ever probably change there unless football starts to gain a foothold in other counties.

There's only about 3 or 4 teams in the entire country who you could see get within 10 points of Dublin in a big game, this was never the case with Tyrone or the Kerry teams that dominated football in the past decade. This was pre an era of massive financial discrepancy. Kerry and Tyrone may have been putting more money into their teams than most but they weren't putting 20 or 30 times what some of the rest of the field were.

Mayo's dominance of Connacht is a worry at the minute (by dominance I mean them handing 20+ point beatings out regularly) but in the long run they don't have the money to sustain what they're at and that domination will end.

Dublin's dominance of Leinster and Ireland will continue as they have the money to sustain it and nobody can match them.

You don't have to make (erroneous) guesses about what counties spend each year.
Annual reports are available online, with easy to read balance sheet summaries.
Tyrone in particular in 2013 were a model of efficiency, realised a surplus, yet actually spent more than Mayo.

And Dublin GAA themselves can finance a good % of those expenditures that central GAA funds are covering.
We can call that strategy, DublinGo.

Erroneous?

Tyrone spent £430k on county teams this year, using a fx rate of £0.7 that comes in at €615k. That also covers an U21 side who won an All Ireland as well as an All Ireland semi-finalist team who played an extra game to Mayo.

Mayo spent €880k on their county teams last year, that's 43% more than Tyrone spent.

In 2014 it was €587k (£411k) v €887k  and that's using a fx rate of 0.7 which is probably not correct given that sterling has began to notably gain strength in the past 18 months.

In 2013 it was €668k (£469k) v €906k, again that's probably an inflated figure for Tyrone as a fx figure of 0.7 is used.

So for the past three years, Mayo have been spending on average 200-300k more on their county teams than Tyrone. That's not far off €1m in those three years.

I suspect you check your figures in future before erroneously accusing others of being wrong.

Yes, you are much more accurate about Mayo expenditure that I was,
Tyrone run a much tighter ship than free spending Mayo.

Most of the top ten are burning the candle at both ends to their own degrees. Dublin the anomaly because they can pay for the professional set up and not worry about debt or bailouts. And they're the ones the rest are chasing.

Quote from: Syferus on February 06, 2016, 08:48:09 PM
Most of the top ten are burning the candle at both ends to their own degrees. Dublin the anomaly because they can pay for the professional set up and not worry about debt or bailouts. And they're the ones the rest are chasing.

The Dubs can just spend more; like the Americans in the 1980s, who cranked up the defence expenditure and the USSR went bust trying to keep up with them.

I know Dubs. They are treasuring these years. It can't & wont go on, their kids won't see success like this.

How much are the GPO'd in Dublin paid???

Quote from: intheknowhow on June 03, 2016, 10:24:02 PM
How much are the GPO'd in Dublin paid???

€70k each.















;D

The GPO's earn 28,000. 14K comes from the club that they are attached to. 14K comes from the county board.

I had read it was 19k each from club and county? Is there any reliable source ?

I got my numbers from a Eugene McGee article & a couple of others.

Quote from: intheknowhow on June 03, 2016, 11:07:25 PM
I had read it was 19k each from club and county? Is there any reliable source ?

Every Gael has to pay 19k to Dubln GAA. This is happening.

To be fair, the cost of stout in Dublin is frightening.

Aye. 19,000K wouldn't go far in Temple Bar of a Friday night. You'd barely have enough left over, for a 2am kebab and a taxi home.

Dublin are awesome! We are probably looking at the best Gaelic football side in history. To add to this look at the younger lads they are introducing. Con O'Callaghan is only 20 and made his debut tonight. The young Basquille guy is yet to come in but is on the panel.

It won't last though. People assume money is buying them success. That's part of the answer but the current crop are multi talented and generations like that don't come around very often.

But when you have 1,250,000 to pick from and real GAA counties only have 30-100k :-\

Quote from: ck on June 05, 2016, 12:17:58 AM
Dublin are awesome! We are probably looking at the best Gaelic football side in history. To add to this look at the younger lads they are introducing. Con O'Callaghan is only 20 and made his debut tonight. The young Basquille guy is yet to come in but is on the panel.

It won't last though. People assume money is buying them success. That's part of the answer but the current crop are multi talented and generations like that don't come around very often.

Nonsense. The population, money and location advantages ensures even in a bad year they're winning Leinster and coasting to an AISF. Mad that any right-minded person would try to gloss over Dublin's ridiculous advantages.

A professional premiership side in a league with a few championship level sides (burning through insane amounts of cash trying desperately to keep up - hi, Kerry and Mayo) and the rest are league one at best. The top dogs in any sport don't stray too far from the top precisely because they have the money to ensure it doesn't happen.

The GAA are setting themselves up for failure down the line because even the Jackeens are tiring of the turkey shoots.

Quote from: Syferus on June 05, 2016, 01:42:22 AM

Quote from: ck on June 05, 2016, 12:17:58 AM
Dublin are awesome! We are probably looking at the best Gaelic football side in history. To add to this look at the younger lads they are introducing. Con O'Callaghan is only 20 and made his debut tonight. The young Basquille guy is yet to come in but is on the panel.

It won't last though. People assume money is buying them success. That's part of the answer but the current crop are multi talented and generations like that don't come around very often.

Nonsense. The population, money and location advantages ensures even in a bad year they're winning Leinster and coasting to an AISF. Mad that any right-minded person would try to gloss over Dublin's ridiculous advantages.

A professional premiership side in a league with a few championship level sides (burning through insane amounts of cash trying desperately to keep up - hi, Kerry and Mayo) and the rest are league one at best. The top dogs in any sport don't stray too far from the top precisely because they have the money to ensure it doesn't happen.

The GAA are setting themselves up for failure down the line because even the Jackeens are tiring of the turkey shoots.

Roscommon spent more than Mayo last year.

Quote from: Rossfan on June 05, 2016, 12:31:45 AM
But when you have 1,250,000 to pick from and real GAA counties only have 30-100k :-\

They have always had that number to pick from and it hasn't stopped Kerry being the most successful county by a long way. Dublin are simply going through a purple patch of players, when really class players like connolly go they will be very hard to replace. With the structures they have in place they will always be competitive but in my opinion this is just a generation of supremely talented players.

Quote from: lenny on June 05, 2016, 07:40:42 AM

Quote from: Rossfan on June 05, 2016, 12:31:45 AM
But when you have 1,250,000 to pick from and real GAA counties only have 30-100k :-\

They have always had that number to pick from and it hasn't stopped Kerry being the most successful county by a long way. Dublin are simply going through a purple patch of players, when really class players like connolly go they will be very hard to replace. With the structures they have in place they will always be competitive but in my opinion this is just a generation of supremely talented players.

With the coaching levels at all age groups (professional standard by all accounts due to investment) Dublin will probably more or less always have at least 15 men of a high standard to field at senior level. Yesterday Laois looked decent at times but just couldn't match up in every position. Other counties will come close but if you have a high number of very well prepared players coming through from a young age with the skill levels of those Dublin players more often than not you are going to win the AI. A well managed Tyrone team might be the fly in the ointment this year or Dublin complacency. However, this needs to be addressed.

Bigger counties, in terms of players, have a clear advantage. Therefore, need to look at rules regarding eligibility. Since the inception of the GAA,  the rural population has diminished greatly in Ireland. I feel a player should be able to declare for the county of their birth, where they have spent their formative years or the county of their parent's birth. There must be a dozen players in Dublin who are good enough for inter county level who are never going to get anywhere near that Dublin football panel. Same probably in Kilkenny and hurling.

I think the biggest problem is the attitude of the other counties in leinster. From the outside looking in they have just gave up. Colm ORourke in particular has regularly supported the "split dublin in two" campaign, which I think is the laziest possible soloution. I presume the hurlers are not included in this split?
The likes of Meath and Kildare in particular need to up their standards, after this season meath will likely be looking a new manager, maybe then they can offer some competition to Dublin in leinster.

Of course Meath and Kildare have to step up. But that doesn't reduce the logic of splitting Dublin, having one team with a pick exceeding the rest of its province or the total in other provinces makes no sense.

Dublin itself is as divided between north and south sides as most counties are.

Quote from: Rossfan on June 05, 2016, 12:31:45 AM
But when you have 1,250,000 to pick from and real GAA counties only have 30-100k :-\

The population of Armagh is approx 650,000. The population of Down is approx 550,000.

Does that mean the two counties also have a population of 1.2 million GAA playing, true Gaels to pick from?

Somehow,  I doubt it.

Same with Dublin.

Quote from: Beffs on June 05, 2016, 01:56:17 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on June 05, 2016, 12:31:45 AM
But when you have 1,250,000 to pick from and real GAA counties only have 30-100k :-\

The population of Armagh is approx 650,000. The population of Down is approx 550,000.

Does that mean the two counties also have a population of 1.2 million GAA playing, true Gaels to pick from?

Somehow,  I doubt it.

Same with Dublin.

Nonsense to try to compare counties with deep sectarian divides and Dublin. You've also managed to confuse Armagh with Antrim.

Quote from: Syferus on June 05, 2016, 02:06:31 PM

Quote from: Beffs on June 05, 2016, 01:56:17 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on June 05, 2016, 12:31:45 AM
But when you have 1,250,000 to pick from and real GAA counties only have 30-100k :-\

The population of Armagh is approx 650,000. The population of Down is approx 550,000.

Does that mean the two counties also have a population of 1.2 million GAA playing, true Gaels to pick from?

Somehow,  I doubt it.

Same with Dublin.

Nonsense to try to compare counties with deep sectarian divides and Dublin. You've also managed to confuse Armagh with Antrim.

yes, we played shite against Cavan, but confusing us with Antrim is a bit harsh.

Ha ha....sorry... geography was never my best suject in school.

Point still stands. Whether its for sectarian or other reasons, there are hundreds of thousands of Dublin residents who have never set food in Croke Park and never will, unless they are going to a concert. I know plenty of Dubs who wouldn't know who Stephen Cluxton was, if he passed them in the street.

Quote from: Beffs on June 05, 2016, 02:40:50 PM
Ha ha....sorry... geography was never my best suject in school.

Point still stands. Whether its for sectarian or other reasons, there are hundreds of thousands of Dublin residents who have never set food in Croke Park and never will, unless they are going to a concert. I know plenty of Dubs who wouldn't know who Stephen Cluxton was, if he passed them in the street.

There are plenty of nationalists from Belfast who wouldn't recognise any Antrim GAA player if they walked by them on the street.

You'd swear sometimes that Dublin is the only county that has competition from other sports. There are plenty of snobbish parents in Kildare who wouldn't want to see their children play culchie games so they send them to their local rugby club to get brain damaged instead. Soccer leagues are strong in these parts too due to a fixture calender that is not messed up with idiotic structures.

Could have sworn I read somewhere that Kildare have more registered GAA club members - and therefore players to select from - than Dublin do. Any one know where I may have read that? Is there an online source that breaks the counties down by club members/size of actual playing population?

Quote from: Beffs on June 05, 2016, 03:33:46 PM
Could have sworn I read somewhere that Kildare have more registered GAA club members - and therefore players to select from - than Dublin do. Any one know where I may have read that? Is there an online source that breaks the counties down by club members/size of actual playing population?

;D

We don't!

Yeah, that's why I asked for the source to back it up. I remember reading it and being sceptical at the time.

Would still be very interested in seeing a breakdown of GAA club membership, per county.

Quote from: Beffs on June 05, 2016, 03:33:46 PM
Could have sworn I read somewhere that Kildare have more registered GAA club members - and therefore players to select from - than Dublin do. Any one know where I may have read that? Is there an online source that breaks the counties down by club members/size of actual playing population?

There is a tradition in Kildare of registering players to hurling clubs for one game, before they go on to play football. Perhaps this means more registrations.

Quote from: Beffs on June 05, 2016, 03:33:46 PM
Could have sworn I read somewhere that Kildare have more registered GAA club members - and therefore players to select from - than Dublin do. Any one know where I may have read that? Is there an online source that breaks the counties down by club members/size of actual playing population?

Senior division 1 clubs are struggling to get 15 players to tog out. This is mostly down to idiotic fixtures from the county board but there is a general lack of interest in GAA in the county at the moment and things are getting worse every year.

By number of clubs Kildare would be about average but where 10-15 years ago most intermediate clubs would have 3 teams it is now only the big town teams who would have these picks with a large amount of games involving second teams called off this year due to lack of numbers.

Quote from: intheknowhow on June 03, 2016, 11:07:25 PM
I had read it was 19k each from club and county? Is there any reliable source ?

It is about that
clubs fund half of the GPOs salary.

It's not hard to raise that sort of money when membership of a GAA club in Dublin is over €100 and most of them have bars generating profits with food and drink and functions.

I know clubs down the country where the showers still don't work and the the toilets are fecked

Quote from: Rossfan on June 05, 2016, 12:31:45 AM
But when you have 1,250,000 to pick from and real GAA counties only have 30-100k :-\

Still cant believe some ignorant people are still using this rubbish comment.

Adult football leagues division 1-5 is Dublin's playing population. Some would say its 1-3.

Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 07, 2016, 09:37:54 AM

Quote from: Rossfan on June 05, 2016, 12:31:45 AM
But when you have 1,250,000 to pick from and real GAA counties only have 30-100k :-\

Still cant believe some ignorant people are still using this rubbish comment.

Adult football leagues division 1-5 is Dublin's playing population. Some would say its 1-3.

How many people would that be?
if you calculate it that way, Iwould say Tyrone playing population is about 2500

Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 07, 2016, 09:37:54 AM

Quote from: Rossfan on June 05, 2016, 12:31:45 AM
But when you have 1,250,000 to pick from and real GAA counties only have 30-100k :-\

Still cant believe some ignorant people are still using this rubbish comment.

Adult football leagues division 1-5 is Dublin's playing population. Some would say its 1-3.

The only ignorance here is referring to factual statements as "ignorant". The previous statement accurately compared the set of people that Dublin draw from with other counties. Of course not all these people play, nor are they any great players, but that doesn't change the comparison as this is true is every county.

Dublin have really got their act together regarding their underage setup. I bring my kids every Sat to the local club here in Dublin and the amount of kids we have at all age groups is HUGE. Of course that falls away as they get older but the idea of GAA being a culchie bogball sport has long gone. Parents from all backgrounds bring their kids to the very well run GAA set ups with many preferring it to soccer and rugby. The amount of Dublin kids now walking around in GAA tops and carrying a hurling is huge compared to 10 years ago. Of course when their senior county team are winning year in year out they have new local heroes to support.

Secondly, Dublin is where the jobs and lots of other attractions are for young people and so they don't have the problem many other more rural counties have where their best players want to move away for a better standard of life.
Ciaran Kilkenny and Jack McCaffrey went to Australia 2 years ago for Aussie rules trials but both came back quite sharpish as they knew they would have a good standard of living near their home and friends whereas a lad from outside Dublin may not have a good well paid job waiting for him if he stays to play for his county. Relax Fearon.
Donegal's Paul Durcan has moved to live in the Middle East now I believe with his girlfriend but I wonder if he played for the Dubs would he have done so. With another good chance of winning Sam and probably a well paid job it would be much harder to move away from that.
All I'm saying is Dublin don't have the same problem of players moving away from home as much as other counties and whilst this year they have lost O'Carroll and McCaffrey you know those two players will be back next year hungrier than ever to add to their medal count.

It's an awful lot easier for lads to train to IC levels when you live a few miles from your training centre.
When you're piled into a bus at 5.30, driven across country for up to 2 hours, do your training, pile into a bus for 2 more hours, then head to your abode and get to bed at 1am.....
Not many jobs in the leisure or fitness industry in Roscommon or similar counties.
Not many jobs full stop.

Quote from: Rossfan on June 07, 2016, 12:04:39 PM
It's an awful lot easier for lads to train to IC levels when you live a few miles from your training centre.
When you're piled into a bus at 5.30, driven across country for up to 2 hours, do your training, pile into a bus for 2 more hours, then head to your abode and get to bed at 1am.....
Not many jobs in the leisure or fitness industry in Roscommon or similar counties.
Not many jobs full stop.

Sure our best back of the last decade had to move aboard for a job :'(

There's at least one Tyrone player based in Dublin at the moment so it's a fair aul spin 2 or 3 times a week up to training and matches.

Do Donegal have any now that Papa has gone?
What about Mayo or Kerry?

Quote from: Syferus on June 07, 2016, 01:05:19 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on June 07, 2016, 12:04:39 PM
It's an awful lot easier for lads to train to IC levels when you live a few miles from your training centre.
When you're piled into a bus at 5.30, driven across country for up to 2 hours, do your training, pile into a bus for 2 more hours, then head to your abode and get to bed at 1am.....
Not many jobs in the leisure or fitness industry in Roscommon or similar counties.
Not many jobs full stop.

Sure our best back of the last decade had to move aboard for a job :'(

Did he get work on a trawler?

Quote from: Fuzzman on June 07, 2016, 11:53:31 AM
Dublin have really got their act together regarding their underage setup. I bring my kids every Sat to the local club here in Dublin and the amount of kids we have at all age groups is HUGE. Of course that falls away as they get older but the idea of GAA being a culchie bogball sport has long gone. Parents from all backgrounds bring their kids to the very well run GAA set ups with many preferring it to soccer and rugby. The amount of Dublin kids now walking around in GAA tops and carrying a hurling is huge compared to 10 years ago. Of course when their senior county team are winning year in year out they have new local heroes to support.

This is true. Another reason is that these academy's are generally free whereas the soccer and rugby clubs are generally charging around €150 for an hour on a Sat or Sun for the year.

Dublin rugby clubs as a rule generally have poor underage set-ups, they source their players for adult level from schools and guys moving to Dublin from the country.

That's how it works OK. The rugby clubs take the guys and the GAA clubs take the lads.