For any and all gym related tips, experiences, pet peeves, questions and whatever else.
Seems to me the gym is now more popular and mainstream than ever, especially in the GAA. Where are the best private/commercial gyms you've come across?
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on October 28, 2015, 11:44:17 AM
For any and all gym related tips, experiences, pet peeves, questions and whatever else.
Seems to me the gym is now more popular and mainstream than ever, especially in the GAA. Where are the best private/commercial gyms you've come across?
Gonna try give football another go next year, need to shed a few stone before pre season though, would appreciate any good gym plans etc that would burn fat, build muscle and speed. I'm sure there are plenty of lads on here who have done similar
There's loads out there and everybody would tell you different but for me...
1st thing is get the diet right, or much better at least if your looking rid of stone(s). This can be as easy or complicated as you like but I'd say everybody has a fair idea of what to be at and what not.
Training wise, I wouldn't be focusing on long cardio sessions out running in the rain or treadmills, maybe do abit of running to prepare you for preseason to make it that bit less dreadful but that would be it. Google HIIT sessions and get on to the weights and interval sprints. Interval sprinting for GAA I found to be the best exercise of the lot, especially as a "finisher" (last exercise of the night to empty the tank)
Get the treadmill going at your max speed and take 15secs on 15secs off and get 8 - 10 runs done or any variation of that to get going and work your way up to longer runs and shorter intervals and more reps... write your progress down, always important, if only for motivation in the hard times cause its always good to see the progress.
Never underestimate the importance of stretching.
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on October 28, 2015, 01:02:06 PM
There's loads out there and everybody would tell you different but for me...
1st thing is get the diet right, or much better at least if your looking rid of stone(s). This can be as easy or complicated as you like but I'd say everybody has a fair idea of what to be at and what not.
Training wise, I wouldn't be focusing on long cardio sessions out running in the rain or treadmills, maybe do abit of running to prepare you for preseason to make it that bit less dreadful but that would be it. Google HIIT sessions and get on to the weights and interval sprints. Interval sprinting for GAA I found to be the best exercise of the lot, especially as a "finisher" (last exercise of the night to empty the tank)
Get the treadmill going at your max speed and take 15secs on 15secs off and get 8 - 10 runs done or any variation of that to get going and work your way up to longer runs and shorter intervals and more reps... write your progress down, always important, if only for motivation in the hard times cause its always good to see the progress.
Cheers for me diet will prob be the hardest thing, working in an office most of the day eating the right things can be tough but hopefully by doing packed lunches i will get round that.
heard the treadmill sprints are pretty good, friend plays IL football and he swears by them so think il give them a go. weights is prob where the issue will be, what weights are best for shedding fat, but again it'll be a case of trial and error i suppose. might try cut down on the drink too.
Quote from: themac_23 on October 28, 2015, 12:39:36 PM
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on October 28, 2015, 11:44:17 AM
For any and all gym related tips, experiences, pet peeves, questions and whatever else.
Seems to me the gym is now more popular and mainstream than ever, especially in the GAA. Where are the best private/commercial gyms you've come across?
Gonna try give football another go next year, need to shed a few stone before pre season though, would appreciate any good gym plans etc that would burn fat, build muscle and speed. I'm sure there are plenty of lads on here who have done similar
Pretty much in the same boat themac. We've pre-season starting mid Jan and I'm keen to give it another season.
I'm currently in the middle of a 12 week strength & conditioning programme (all good gyms offer them). The PT says our programme is geared toward strength, power, toning and injury avoidance. 2 structured classes a week and 2 sessions on my own doing weights / cardio. The classes are spin / circuit types that change week to week. The classes are incredibly hard , but you do far far more when training in a group with a PT keeping a close eye on everyone. HIIT is the best way. I've cut out crisps, choc and fizzy pop completely, don't eat anything after 7pm (egg on toast on class nights) and have a take-away on a Saturday and a couple of beers. There's no mad science to what I'm eating, just a decent diet with alot less bread than I used to eat. I've dropped from 14 stone to 13 stone in less than 3 months. Before the 10 week programme I'd been going solo to the gym 3 times a week, weights / cardio and running twice a week after work (max 4 miles).
Quote from: JoG2 on October 28, 2015, 01:40:09 PM
Quote from: themac_23 on October 28, 2015, 12:39:36 PM
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on October 28, 2015, 11:44:17 AM
For any and all gym related tips, experiences, pet peeves, questions and whatever else.
Seems to me the gym is now more popular and mainstream than ever, especially in the GAA. Where are the best private/commercial gyms you've come across?
Gonna try give football another go next year, need to shed a few stone before pre season though, would appreciate any good gym plans etc that would burn fat, build muscle and speed. I'm sure there are plenty of lads on here who have done similar
Pretty much in the same boat themac. We've pre-season starting mid Jan and I'm keen to give it another season.
I'm currently in the middle of a 12 week strength & conditioning programme (all good gyms offer them). The PT says our programme is geared toward strength, power, toning and injury avoidance. 2 structured classes a week and 2 sessions on my own doing weights / cardio. The classes are spin / circuit types that change week to week. The classes are incredibly hard , but you do far far more when training in a group with a PT keeping a close eye on everyone. HIIT is the best way. I've cut out crisps, choc and fizzy pop completely, don't eat anything after 7pm (egg on toast on class nights) and have a take-away on a Saturday and a couple of beers. There's no mad science to what I'm eating, just a decent diet with alot less bread than I used to eat. I've dropped from 14 stone to 13 stone in less than 3 months. Before the 10 week programme I'd been going solo to the gym 3 times a week, weights / cardio and running twice a week after work (max 4 miles).
Prob a stupid question, but do you feel like its giving you more energy etc during the day? Also are you taking any supplements? I'm currently at 17st, still playing a bit of 5 a side etc but fitness level is shocking, even at my fittest and training flat out i was 14st 10 or so but at that i was in good shape and pretty sharp. Hope to drop to 15st by Jan and at least be in some kinda shape at giving football another good blast, played bits and pieces last year but didn't do it justice.
Must try and book in to a few spin classes just for something different to try and break things up a bit.
I've recently got a new job in the city and the commute in rush hour was shocking so I joined a gym and left that bit earlier and got a session done every morning. Even with the earlier start im feeling better throughout the day and the sleep is better too. The session in the mornings is never really that tough and I'm still doin as much if not more in the evenings so it hasn't hampered me any that way, but it def leaves me feeling better throughout the day
Quote from: themac_23 on October 28, 2015, 01:50:56 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on October 28, 2015, 01:40:09 PM
Quote from: themac_23 on October 28, 2015, 12:39:36 PM
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on October 28, 2015, 11:44:17 AM
For any and all gym related tips, experiences, pet peeves, questions and whatever else.
Seems to me the gym is now more popular and mainstream than ever, especially in the GAA. Where are the best private/commercial gyms you've come across?
Gonna try give football another go next year, need to shed a few stone before pre season though, would appreciate any good gym plans etc that would burn fat, build muscle and speed. I'm sure there are plenty of lads on here who have done similar
Pretty much in the same boat themac. We've pre-season starting mid Jan and I'm keen to give it another season.
I'm currently in the middle of a 12 week strength & conditioning programme (all good gyms offer them). The PT says our programme is geared toward strength, power, toning and injury avoidance. 2 structured classes a week and 2 sessions on my own doing weights / cardio. The classes are spin / circuit types that change week to week. The classes are incredibly hard , but you do far far more when training in a group with a PT keeping a close eye on everyone. HIIT is the best way. I've cut out crisps, choc and fizzy pop completely, don't eat anything after 7pm (egg on toast on class nights) and have a take-away on a Saturday and a couple of beers. There's no mad science to what I'm eating, just a decent diet with alot less bread than I used to eat. I've dropped from 14 stone to 13 stone in less than 3 months. Before the 10 week programme I'd been going solo to the gym 3 times a week, weights / cardio and running twice a week after work (max 4 miles).
Prob a stupid question, but do you feel like its giving you more energy etc during the day? Also are you taking any supplements? I'm currently at 17st, still playing a bit of 5 a side etc but fitness level is shocking, even at my fittest and training flat out i was 14st 10 or so but at that i was in good shape and pretty sharp. Hope to drop to 15st by Jan and at least be in some kinda shape at giving football another good blast, played bits and pieces last year but didn't do it justice.
Must try and book in to a few spin classes just for something different to try and break things up a bit.
tbh, not a while difference. I'm as tired in the mornings as I've always been, though not so much in the afternoons...maybe its to do with adrenaline knowing I've a session that evening. Supplements, no. Keep meaning to dip for some protein / creatine, but haven't as yet however I've used both in the past. I eat a pear en route to each session . Sign up for a programme, get into the habit of training on a Monday / Wednesday / Friday or whatever days as it's too easy to make excuses when training solo imo
Quote from: themac_23 on October 28, 2015, 01:35:25 PM
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on October 28, 2015, 01:02:06 PM
There's loads out there and everybody would tell you different but for me...
1st thing is get the diet right, or much better at least if your looking rid of stone(s). This can be as easy or complicated as you like but I'd say everybody has a fair idea of what to be at and what not.
Training wise, I wouldn't be focusing on long cardio sessions out running in the rain or treadmills, maybe do abit of running to prepare you for preseason to make it that bit less dreadful but that would be it. Google HIIT sessions and get on to the weights and interval sprints. Interval sprinting for GAA I found to be the best exercise of the lot, especially as a "finisher" (last exercise of the night to empty the tank)
Get the treadmill going at your max speed and take 15secs on 15secs off and get 8 - 10 runs done or any variation of that to get going and work your way up to longer runs and shorter intervals and more reps... write your progress down, always important, if only for motivation in the hard times cause its always good to see the progress.
Cheers for me diet will prob be the hardest thing, working in an office most of the day eating the right things can be tough but hopefully by doing packed lunches i will get round that.
heard the treadmill sprints are pretty good, friend plays IL football and he swears by them so think il give them a go. weights is prob where the issue will be, what weights are best for shedding fat, but again it'll be a case of trial and error i suppose. might try cut down on the drink too.
Man I'd really recommend you give the weight training a go, I started at it maybe a year and a half/2years ago totally from scratch and nervous of embarrassing myself, now I wish I started it sooner. So so beneficial compared o all the other forms of training. Maybe start of with the kettlebells and that if ur nervous of it, but try and work into the dumbells and barbell. it becomes addictive, its definitely where you'll get the best results
Quote from: JoG2 on October 28, 2015, 02:06:31 PM
Quote from: themac_23 on October 28, 2015, 01:50:56 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on October 28, 2015, 01:40:09 PM
Quote from: themac_23 on October 28, 2015, 12:39:36 PM
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on October 28, 2015, 11:44:17 AM
For any and all gym related tips, experiences, pet peeves, questions and whatever else.
Seems to me the gym is now more popular and mainstream than ever, especially in the GAA. Where are the best private/commercial gyms you've come across?
Gonna try give football another go next year, need to shed a few stone before pre season though, would appreciate any good gym plans etc that would burn fat, build muscle and speed. I'm sure there are plenty of lads on here who have done similar
Pretty much in the same boat themac. We've pre-season starting mid Jan and I'm keen to give it another season.
I'm currently in the middle of a 12 week strength & conditioning programme (all good gyms offer them). The PT says our programme is geared toward strength, power, toning and injury avoidance. 2 structured classes a week and 2 sessions on my own doing weights / cardio. The classes are spin / circuit types that change week to week. The classes are incredibly hard , but you do far far more when training in a group with a PT keeping a close eye on everyone. HIIT is the best way. I've cut out crisps, choc and fizzy pop completely, don't eat anything after 7pm (egg on toast on class nights) and have a take-away on a Saturday and a couple of beers. There's no mad science to what I'm eating, just a decent diet with alot less bread than I used to eat. I've dropped from 14 stone to 13 stone in less than 3 months. Before the 10 week programme I'd been going solo to the gym 3 times a week, weights / cardio and running twice a week after work (max 4 miles).
Prob a stupid question, but do you feel like its giving you more energy etc during the day? Also are you taking any supplements? I'm currently at 17st, still playing a bit of 5 a side etc but fitness level is shocking, even at my fittest and training flat out i was 14st 10 or so but at that i was in good shape and pretty sharp. Hope to drop to 15st by Jan and at least be in some kinda shape at giving football another good blast, played bits and pieces last year but didn't do it justice.
Must try and book in to a few spin classes just for something different to try and break things up a bit.
tbh, not a while difference. I'm as tired in the mornings as I've always been, though not so much in the afternoons...maybe its to do with adrenaline knowing I've a session that evening. Supplements, no. Keep meaning to dip for some protein / creatine, but haven't as yet however I've used both in the past. I eat a pear en route to each session . Sign up for a programme, get into the habit of training on a Monday / Wednesday / Friday or whatever days as it's too easy to make excuses when training solo imo
Cheers man, think il give it a go, il have a look round a few local gyms and see where does the group programmes see how i get on, give it a good rattle until christmas and see where i am at that stage.
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on October 28, 2015, 02:08:21 PM
Quote from: themac_23 on October 28, 2015, 01:35:25 PM
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on October 28, 2015, 01:02:06 PM
There's loads out there and everybody would tell you different but for me...
1st thing is get the diet right, or much better at least if your looking rid of stone(s). This can be as easy or complicated as you like but I'd say everybody has a fair idea of what to be at and what not.
Training wise, I wouldn't be focusing on long cardio sessions out running in the rain or treadmills, maybe do abit of running to prepare you for preseason to make it that bit less dreadful but that would be it. Google HIIT sessions and get on to the weights and interval sprints. Interval sprinting for GAA I found to be the best exercise of the lot, especially as a "finisher" (last exercise of the night to empty the tank)
Get the treadmill going at your max speed and take 15secs on 15secs off and get 8 - 10 runs done or any variation of that to get going and work your way up to longer runs and shorter intervals and more reps... write your progress down, always important, if only for motivation in the hard times cause its always good to see the progress.
Cheers for me diet will prob be the hardest thing, working in an office most of the day eating the right things can be tough but hopefully by doing packed lunches i will get round that.
heard the treadmill sprints are pretty good, friend plays IL football and he swears by them so think il give them a go. weights is prob where the issue will be, what weights are best for shedding fat, but again it'll be a case of trial and error i suppose. might try cut down on the drink too.
Man I'd really recommend you give the weight training a go, I started at it maybe a year and a half/2years ago totally from scratch and nervous of embarrassing myself, now I wish I started it sooner. So so beneficial compared o all the other forms of training. Maybe start of with the kettlebells and that if ur nervous of it, but try and work into the dumbells and barbell. it becomes addictive, its definitely where you'll get the best results
Thanks, i will def give it a good go with the free weights, il maybe bookmark this thread and let yas know how I'm getting on and what i find is working well and any other tips i come across that might be of use to people.
Jasus Soup u'd need to lifting bigger weights ;).lol
For me the best training u can do in a gym is on the rowing machine. I set it up for full power and try and row as many meters in 10 mins, trying to beat it every time i get on it. My record for meters in 10 mins in 2740m. when you have that mastered then do a 1min row ensuring you row 300m in that minute, after every min you get 30 sec break before the next 1 min starts. you have to aim to do 5-6 of these. Trust me this empties more than your tank and if you're fit enough after you've mastered 6 of these bad boys then go straight for 10no 30sec on 30sec off trying to hit 150m per 30 sec hit.
This will be the hardest peice of training you will ever do in any gym...try it out. PS. if you have put on 2 stones from the football quit you could be 6 stone over weight before pre-season kicks in...
Be wary of becoming a gym monkey though; weights are excellent at building strength, losing weight, making bones, joints and sinews stronger etc. - all things needed for GAA and contact sports. Too much of it though could result in one being muscle-bound and losing flexibility and suppleness, very important traits for hurling in particular. For this reason a lot of county hurlers do yoga / pilates etc. for balance. During winter maybe a good time to go hard on it, and just top up during the playing season.
Quote from: illdecide on October 28, 2015, 02:26:49 PM
Jasus Soup u'd need to lifting bigger weights ;).lol
For me the best training u can do in a gym is on the rowing machine. I set it up for full power and try and row as many meters in 10 mins, trying to beat it every time i get on it. My record for meters in 10 mins in 2740m. when you have that mastered then do a 1min row ensuring you row 300m in that minute, after every min you get 30 sec break before the next 1 min starts. you have to aim to do 5-6 of these. Trust me this empties more than your tank and if you're fit enough after you've mastered 6 of these bad boys then go straight for 10no 30sec on 30sec off trying to hit 150m per 30 sec hit.
This will be the hardest peice of training you will ever do in any gym...try it out. PS. if you have put on 2 stones from the football quit you could be 6 stone over weight before pre-season kicks in...
Sorry, what i meant was even when i was flat out at football and as fit as i had been i was 14 10, that was prob bout 3-4 years ago, was just trying to point out that i was never a 13st flying machine lol.
Quote from: the_daddy on October 28, 2015, 02:40:17 PM
Quote from: themac_23 on October 28, 2015, 01:35:25 PM
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on October 28, 2015, 01:02:06 PM
There's loads out there and everybody would tell you different but for me...
1st thing is get the diet right, or much better at least if your looking rid of stone(s). This can be as easy or complicated as you like but I'd say everybody has a fair idea of what to be at and what not.
Training wise, I wouldn't be focusing on long cardio sessions out running in the rain or treadmills, maybe do abit of running to prepare you for preseason to make it that bit less dreadful but that would be it. Google HIIT sessions and get on to the weights and interval sprints. Interval sprinting for GAA I found to be the best exercise of the lot, especially as a "finisher" (last exercise of the night to empty the tank)
Get the treadmill going at your max speed and take 15secs on 15secs off and get 8 - 10 runs done or any variation of that to get going and work your way up to longer runs and shorter intervals and more reps... write your progress down, always important, if only for motivation in the hard times cause its always good to see the progress.
Cheers for me diet will prob be the hardest thing, working in an office most of the day eating the right things can be tough but hopefully by doing packed lunches i will get round that.
heard the treadmill sprints are pretty good, friend plays IL football and he swears by them so think il give them a go. weights is prob where the issue will be, what weights are best for shedding fat, but again it'll be a case of trial and error i suppose. might try cut down on the drink too.
I'd agree with soup, diet is number 1. You can't go wrong with loads of veg, eggs and lean meat and, as the news is pointing out, keep the processed stuff to a minimum.
If you don't have that much experience with weights go to a PT and get a programme rather than trial and error to start with. Ideally someone who knows a bit about GAA if your goal is to get back into shape for playing.
Yeah, a PT or someone with a good knowledge on the subject would take you for 3 or 4 sessions and you could easily come away with material to keep you goin for months. Its just about getting started, and don't underestimate how good some youtube channels are. I have a personal fav called "The strength camp" with Elliott Hulse, he's not everyones cup of tea but some of his stuff is great.
IMO....without a doubt diet is the most important thing if you want to shed some serious weight. You can train 5 nights a week but if you don't have some handle on your diet then you are wasting your time.
Unless you want to be super lean then the diet part is not as bad as you think. Eat good decent food 80% of the time and you can eat crap the other 20% and you'll be surprised just how much you can shed.
The wife started slimming there a while ago and I lost 2 stone of fat in a month and a half and I was eating more than I ever did before and I've been a gym regular (Weight Lifting) for about 5 years, basically if its heavily processed don't eat it try and cut the fat of things like bacon and eat as much fruit as you can stuff in your mouth.
Use the kitchen to lose your fat and use the gym to improve your stamina, strength etc.
I've been a regular gym goer for the last 3 years or so, focusing on the three powerlifts and accessory lifts around each of them and doing one or two cardio/HIIT classes every week. For strength training as a beginner I found that using a programme I got online from a guy called Jonnie Candito worked absolutely brilliantly. From when I first used it, my 1RM squat went from about 1.5x bodweight to over 2x bodyweight inside a year. Have just joined up with the GAA club here in Barcelona so it'll be interesting to see how all that translates to playing football - I'll probably just be able to kick it further wide. Hadn't trained or played for a good ten years up until a couple of weeks ago and it nearly killed me. Completely different type of fitness altogether.
The other half is mad for clean eating so I find that it's not too difficult to avoid bad food. Poultry, fish all excellent and despite me being a massive carnivore, we probably only have red meat about once a week max. Plenty of good fats (coconut oil is a great tasting substitute for olive/veg/sunflower oil) and controlled carbs is key. A lot of lads I know do mad heavy weights while completely carb drained and in ketosis. Recipe for disaster if you ask me. Absolutely nothing wrong with having an occasional treat a few times a week, be that a biscuit or a beer or whatever. Cutting out dairy is the other big change in our diet and one I find the hardest. Only use cow's milk now in a nightly cup of tea. Have replaced it for the likes of porridge, scrambled egg etc with almond milk. Have more or less abandoned cheese but I miss it enormously. Fat free greek yoghurt (has to be greek, not "greek style") is the best replacement we've found for when I need cheese on food - burritos, burgers etc. Rabbit is big over here and is great, lean red meat. I supplement with protein and a couple of creatine cycles in the winter months when I've been trying to add bulk. The real key I find is to not let yourself fall off the wagon for too long after an "event". The longer it takes you to cut shite food back out of the diet or get back into the gym, the harder it becomes.
For football, I'm not too sure how much of a weights program is really necessary. All the strength required for such a fast, skillful game can be achieved through bodyweight workouts - TRX an especially good one.
Quote from: MoChara on October 28, 2015, 04:36:47 PM
The wife started slimming there a while ago and I lost 2 stone of fat in a month and a half and I was eating more than I ever did before and I've been a gym regular (Weight Lifting) for about 5 years, basically if its heavily processed don't eat it try and cut the fat of things like bacon and eat as much fruit as you can stuff in your mouth.
Use the kitchen to lose your fat and use the gym to improve your stamina, strength etc.
I know a lot of ones who would say stay away from the fruit. At least in the afternoons. It's mostly sugar. If it's sweet it has high sugar content.
A cousin of mine went to a personal trainer and nutritionist to trim down for her wedding. Toned up something terra and lost a load of weight. She said the diet was 60% of it.
On a bit of transformation myself - 6 days training a week now and consuming 3200 calories a day across 7 small meals. Lots of protein. Carbs at the right time. Good mix of veggies and lots of greens. Supplementing.
It all helps.
I'd absolutely agree with that view on fruit. Massive sugar content, insulin spikes etc. Has to be controlled and moderated like any other source of sugar. Green veg much much better for getting your five a day. Spinach, broccoli, apparatus all a staple for me.
Quote from: gallsman on October 28, 2015, 05:28:25 PM
I'd absolutely agree with that view on fruit. Massive sugar content, insulin spikes etc. Has to be controlled and moderated like any other source of sugar. Green veg much much better for getting your five a day. Spinach, broccoli, apparatus all a staple for me.
Might be a silly question but would plenty of fruit an hour or 2 before going and doing some training be ok? When i was training flat out a few years ago for football and eating (reasonably) well on a monday i would make a massive bowl of fruit, this would be a pineapple, a mellon, grapes and strawberries. i would take a bowl of the fruit mix with some greek yogurt about an hour before training and would think nothing of it, i felt it gave me a decent wee boost and was natural. was thinking of doing similar now that I'm gonna try and shift some weight, would it be wise to avoid this?
some decent info on bodybuilding forum where they tend to get very technical on their food types and when to consume. Make of it what you will:
PICKIN' FRUIT
Use the charts below to help you pick the best fruit for the job. If
you're worried about fructose spilling over to fat, try a citrate
supplement along with your fruit choice, such as creatine citrate or
calcium citrate. It helps direct fructose toward glycogen production and
away from fat.
PREWORKOUT
These fruits provide higher fructose than glucose for sustained fuel
that won't block fat burning. Eat one or two servings.
FRUIT TOTAL SUGARS* FRUCTOSE* GLUCOSE*
Pear (1 medium) 16 11 5
Watermelon (1 wedge) 18 12 6
Apple (1 medium) 14 9 5
Cantaloupe (1/2 melon) 22 12 10
Grapes (1 cup) 24 13 11
Strawberries (2 cups) 14 8 6
Raspberries (2 cups) 10 6 4
MORNING
These fruits provide equal or nearly equal fructose and glucose to
restock liver and muscle glycogen to help halt muscle breakdown. Eat two
or three servings.
FRUIT TOTAL SUGARS* FRUCTOSE* GLUCOSE*
Pineapple (1 cup diced) 13 7 6
Honeydew melon (1 wedge) 13 7 6
Orange (1 medium) 12 6 6
Banana (1 medium) 18 9 9
Blueberries (1 cup) 14 7 7
Nectarine (1 medium) 10 5 5
Kiwi fruit (2 medium) 12 6 6
POSTWORKOUT
These fruits provide more glucose than fructose for restocking muscle
glycogen and enhancing muscle growth. (The last five fruits from the
morning fruit category are also decent choices postworkout, for their
ability to fill glycogen stores.) Eat one or two servings along with
white bread, baked potatoes or a carb drink.
FRUIT TOTAL SUGARS* FRUCTOSE* GLUCOSE*
Cherries (1 cup) 14 6 8
Peach (1 medium) 8 3 5
What carbs would you recommend pre workout?
Quote from: Gold on October 28, 2015, 09:38:36 PM
What carbs would you recommend pre workout?
Medium sized banana. When I was being really focused and taking BCAA i used to start sipping it beforehand and then take it right the way through to the end of the workout.
best gym i ever joined was educo gym. they put you on a strict diet and train you 1 on 1. lost around 2 stone over 3 months going to it. high intensity weight training with a more or less no carb diet.
porridge in morn or two eggs.
plenty of veg and lean meat during the day. turkey, steak, pork, tuna, fish, chicken
the only fruit allowed was anything that ended in berries and oranges and kiwis.
if carbs are needed brown rice or brown pasta
Quote from: The Iceman on October 28, 2015, 04:57:02 PM
Quote from: MoChara on October 28, 2015, 04:36:47 PM
The wife started slimming there a while ago and I lost 2 stone of fat in a month and a half and I was eating more than I ever did before and I've been a gym regular (Weight Lifting) for about 5 years, basically if its heavily processed don't eat it try and cut the fat of things like bacon and eat as much fruit as you can stuff in your mouth.
Use the kitchen to lose your fat and use the gym to improve your stamina, strength etc.
I know a lot of ones who would say stay away from the fruit. At least in the afternoons. It's mostly sugar. If it's sweet it has high sugar content.
A cousin of mine went to a personal trainer and nutritionist to trim down for her wedding. Toned up something terra and lost a load of weight. She said the diet was 60% of it.
On a bit of transformation myself - 6 days training a week now and consuming 3200 calories a day across 7 small meals. Lots of protein. Carbs at the right time. Good mix of veggies and lots of greens. Supplementing.
It all helps.
I suppose the thing is I eat all my fruit during work and would have a dinner and a shake in the evenings so maybe that's why its working out for me.
I would train usually about 4 times a week, sort of caught in a Limbo though during on season where I find playing hurling counteracts my weight lifting and vice versa, too big to run and too much cardio to get stronger. Since the Off season kicked in my strength its shooting up again.
I've noticed people in the gym regularly over the course of this past 2 years and they're doing the same 6-7 exercises they've always done - don't underestimate the important of changing your routine up regularly, ud be surprised how much it "shocks" the body. Finished on the rowing machine last night towards the end of the session for the first time in months and months after talk of it on the forum here yesterday... buckled.
I plan on trying to start the preseason at the weekend. I haven't played seriously for about4 years and as someone the wrong side of 35 I'm not aiming for supreme fitness. Just want to keep the weight off and hopefully be fit enough to play some reserve football.
I travel a lot with work so going to try a programme of 2 runs per week of about 7 miles and 3 days a week a hiit circuit regime I can do in the garage that takes about 45 minutes. With work and family commitments 3 days a week in the gym or classes is not realistic.
The diet side will be the hardest. The freezer had been getting cleared over the last few weeks. All the southern fried chicken, sausages etc are going and getting replaced by pork chops and chicken. One piece of advice, anyone who tells you turkey bacon is just the same as the real thing is a lying bastard! :-X
Quote from: TabClear on October 29, 2015, 09:30:15 AM
I plan on trying to start the preseason at the weekend. I haven't played seriously for about4 years and as someone the wrong side of 35 I'm not aiming for supreme fitness. Just want to keep the weight off and hopefully be fit enough to play some reserve football.
I travel a lot with work so going to try a programme of 2 runs per week of about 7 miles and 3 days a week a hiit circuit regime I can do in the garage that takes about 45 minutes. With work and family commitments 3 days a week in the gym or classes is not realistic.
The diet side will be the hardest. The freezer had been getting cleared over the last few weeks. All the southern fried chicken, sausages etc are going and getting replaced by pork chops and chicken. One piece of advice, anyone who tells you turkey bacon is just the same as the real thing is a lying b**tard! :-X
better men than me would say prepping your meals all at the start of the week is the way to go, iv seen a number of people do it successfully
Quote from: TabClear on October 29, 2015, 09:30:15 AM
I plan on trying to start the preseason at the weekend. I haven't played seriously for about4 years and as someone the wrong side of 35 I'm not aiming for supreme fitness. Just want to keep the weight off and hopefully be fit enough to play some reserve football.
I travel a lot with work so going to try a programme of 2 runs per week of about 7 miles and 3 days a week a hiit circuit regime I can do in the garage that takes about 45 minutes. With work and family commitments 3 days a week in the gym or classes is not realistic.
The diet side will be the hardest. The freezer had been getting cleared over the last few weeks. All the southern fried chicken, sausages etc are going and getting replaced by pork chops and chicken. One piece of advice, anyone who tells you turkey bacon is just the same as the real thing is a lying b**tard! :-X
If you can find turkey sausages, they're really not too bad at all!
Mo farah is on the hit list as well with his quorn sausages!
Quote from: TabClear on October 29, 2015, 09:30:15 AM
I plan on trying to start the preseason at the weekend. I haven't played seriously for about4 years and as someone the wrong side of 35 I'm not aiming for supreme fitness. Just want to keep the weight off and hopefully be fit enough to play some reserve football.
I travel a lot with work so going to try a programme of 2 runs per week of about 7 miles and 3 days a week a hiit circuit regime I can do in the garage that takes about 45 minutes. With work and family commitments 3 days a week in the gym or classes is not realistic.
The diet side will be the hardest. The freezer had been getting cleared over the last few weeks. All the southern fried chicken, sausages etc are going and getting replaced by pork chops and chicken. One piece of advice, anyone who tells you turkey bacon is just the same as the real thing is a lying b**tard! :-X
If you can run 7 miles twice a week you're fit enough for reserve football already lol
Agree with a lot of what is being said. Diet is definitely key. Get the batch of chicken fillets bought from the butcher and prep your meals every few days as it makes life so much easier. If your working in an office its actually ideal as you can bring in your fruit, nuts & lunches etc and you have no excuses really. Also get the water right as well - 2 or 3 litres a day minimum. Myfitnesspal is a good app to use initially just to understand exactly what you are eating.
As the lads have said getting a good strength based gym programme will do you wonders. I'd suggest something like Crossfit as an excellent form of conditioning even though it gets a bad rap (unjustified in my opinion). This time a year you are wasting your time running on roads and treadmills.
I actually enjoy this time of year when you can get on with your own thing before team training begins again in the new year.
Quote from: square_ball on October 29, 2015, 10:48:49 AM
Agree with a lot of what is being said. Diet is definitely key. Get the batch of chicken fillets bought from the butcher and prep your meals every few days as it makes life so much easier. If your working in an office its actually ideal as you can bring in your fruit, nuts & lunches etc and you have no excuses really. Also get the water right as well - 2 or 3 litres a day minimum. Myfitnesspal is a good app to use initially just to understand exactly what you are eating.
As the lads have said getting a good strength based gym programme will do you wonders. I'd suggest something like Crossfit as an excellent form of conditioning even though it gets a bad rap (unjustified in my opinion). This time a year you are wasting your time running on roads and treadmills.
I actually enjoy this time of year when you can get on with your own thing before team training begins again in the new year.
Very justified in my opinion. Anything that encourages people to do power or Olympic lifts as quickly as possible in the name of competition is a no no in my books.
Quote from: oakleaflad on October 29, 2015, 10:26:11 AM
Quote from: TabClear on October 29, 2015, 09:30:15 AM
I plan on trying to start the preseason at the weekend. I haven't played seriously for about4 years and as someone the wrong side of 35 I'm not aiming for supreme fitness. Just want to keep the weight off and hopefully be fit enough to play some reserve football.
I travel a lot with work so going to try a programme of 2 runs per week of about 7 miles and 3 days a week a hiit circuit regime I can do in the garage that takes about 45 minutes. With work and family commitments 3 days a week in the gym or classes is not realistic.
The diet side will be the hardest. The freezer had been getting cleared over the last few weeks. All the southern fried chicken, sausages etc are going and getting replaced by pork chops and chicken. One piece of advice, anyone who tells you turkey bacon is just the same as the real thing is a lying b**tard! :-X
If you can run 7 miles twice a week you're fit enough for reserve football already lol
"Run" might be a bit of artistic license lol.
I want to be in reasonable shape when I go back to training with the club. More because if I'm unfit I won't enjoy it and am likely to throw the head up and decide I'm too old. Your a long time retired!
Gallsman & square_ball, I'd be interested in hearing more of your views on Crossfit. I've heard a few different opinions and am still unsure. The only thing I know for sure is that it's expensive!
Quote from: gallsman on October 29, 2015, 10:55:14 AM
Quote from: square_ball on October 29, 2015, 10:48:49 AM
Agree with a lot of what is being said. Diet is definitely key. Get the batch of chicken fillets bought from the butcher and prep your meals every few days as it makes life so much easier. If your working in an office its actually ideal as you can bring in your fruit, nuts & lunches etc and you have no excuses really. Also get the water right as well - 2 or 3 litres a day minimum. Myfitnesspal is a good app to use initially just to understand exactly what you are eating.
As the lads have said getting a good strength based gym programme will do you wonders. I'd suggest something like Crossfit as an excellent form of conditioning even though it gets a bad rap (unjustified in my opinion). This time a year you are wasting your time running on roads and treadmills.
I actually enjoy this time of year when you can get on with your own thing before team training begins again in the new year.
Very justified in my opinion. Anything that encourages people to do power or Olympic lifts as quickly as possible in the name of competition is a no no in my books.
Always had an issue with this.. the thing about Crossfit is that it is a sport... this is where people go wrong from what I can see. You should use whatever millions of training regimes that are out there - to then go and compete at Crossfit, just like a Pro Weight lifter would train to then go out on competition day and push to the limit with very real chance of doin damage... but to use Crossfit as a training tool is not smart in my opinion... Absolutely train for Crossfit and then compete if that's your thing, but I wouldn't use Crossfit as a training regime... Unless ur Rich Froning.. then u can do whatever the frig you want
Quote from: gallsman on October 29, 2015, 10:55:14 AM
Quote from: square_ball on October 29, 2015, 10:48:49 AM
Agree with a lot of what is being said. Diet is definitely key. Get the batch of chicken fillets bought from the butcher and prep your meals every few days as it makes life so much easier. If your working in an office its actually ideal as you can bring in your fruit, nuts & lunches etc and you have no excuses really. Also get the water right as well - 2 or 3 litres a day minimum. Myfitnesspal is a good app to use initially just to understand exactly what you are eating.
As the lads have said getting a good strength based gym programme will do you wonders. I'd suggest something like Crossfit as an excellent form of conditioning even though it gets a bad rap (unjustified in my opinion). This time a year you are wasting your time running on roads and treadmills.
I actually enjoy this time of year when you can get on with your own thing before team training begins again in the new year.
Very justified in my opinion. Anything that encourages people to do power or Olympic lifts as quickly as possible in the name of competition is a no no in my books.
That seems to be the stick that Crossfit gets beat with. People seem to have this notion that every workout involves 50 x snatch and 50 x clean & jerk where the experience that i have had with it couldnt be any different. Those lifts are coached and coached very well might I add. Very rarely are they used in a workout and if they are they are very low reps. For things like squat, deadlift and other lifts you are actually coached as well as placing a high emphasis on flexibility and mobility. As i say in my experience it is an excellent form conditioning and for me I was never fitter when I did it.
Out of interest Gallsman have you tried it before? Don't get me wrong I'm not saying CrossFit is the be all and end all by any means just interested in your views on it if you have tried it?
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on October 29, 2015, 11:04:13 AM
Quote from: gallsman on October 29, 2015, 10:55:14 AM
Quote from: square_ball on October 29, 2015, 10:48:49 AM
Agree with a lot of what is being said. Diet is definitely key. Get the batch of chicken fillets bought from the butcher and prep your meals every few days as it makes life so much easier. If your working in an office its actually ideal as you can bring in your fruit, nuts & lunches etc and you have no excuses really. Also get the water right as well - 2 or 3 litres a day minimum. Myfitnesspal is a good app to use initially just to understand exactly what you are eating.
As the lads have said getting a good strength based gym programme will do you wonders. I'd suggest something like Crossfit as an excellent form of conditioning even though it gets a bad rap (unjustified in my opinion). This time a year you are wasting your time running on roads and treadmills.
I actually enjoy this time of year when you can get on with your own thing before team training begins again in the new year.
Very justified in my opinion. Anything that encourages people to do power or Olympic lifts as quickly as possible in the name of competition is a no no in my books.
Always had an issue with this.. the thing about Crossfit is that it is a sport... this is where people go wrong from what I can see. You should use whatever millions of training regimes that are out there - to then go and compete at Crossfit, just like a Pro Weight lifter would train to then go out on competition day and push to the limit with very real chance of doin damage... but to use Crossfit as a training tool is not smart in my opinion... Absolutely train for Crossfit and then compete if that's your thing, but I wouldn't use Crossfit as a training regime... Unless ur Rich Froning.. then u can do whatever the frig you want
Again I would tend to disagree with that. The crossfit gym that I go to very few of them compete - its a form of exercise they enjoy doing. And I think that's what it is ultimately all about - if you enjoy Crossfit do it, if you enjoy bums and tums class do that or if you enjoy pounding a treadmill for an hour do that. In my experience from a GAA background I found it to be an excellent conditioning tool for getting fitter, faster and stronger. But i would recommend trying it rather than going on what you read and watch on the internet - i think you will find its a lot different that what you might imagine.
Quote from: No1 on October 29, 2015, 11:00:41 AM
Gallsman & square_ball, I'd be interested in hearing more of your views on Crossfit. I've heard a few different opinions and am still unsure. The only thing I know for sure is that it's expensive!
See my responses to the other posts. As i said its not the be all and end all of fitness but its something I enjoy and worked for me. It does come down to quality of coaching but that goes for anything fitness related. In terms of being expenses yeah i guess it is if you take the figures on their own but compare it to PTs who are charge £20 to £30 per session as well as gym membership on top of that then it isn't really.
Quote from: square_ball on October 29, 2015, 11:37:38 AM
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on October 29, 2015, 11:04:13 AM
Quote from: gallsman on October 29, 2015, 10:55:14 AM
Quote from: square_ball on October 29, 2015, 10:48:49 AM
Agree with a lot of what is being said. Diet is definitely key. Get the batch of chicken fillets bought from the butcher and prep your meals every few days as it makes life so much easier. If your working in an office its actually ideal as you can bring in your fruit, nuts & lunches etc and you have no excuses really. Also get the water right as well - 2 or 3 litres a day minimum. Myfitnesspal is a good app to use initially just to understand exactly what you are eating.
As the lads have said getting a good strength based gym programme will do you wonders. I'd suggest something like Crossfit as an excellent form of conditioning even though it gets a bad rap (unjustified in my opinion). This time a year you are wasting your time running on roads and treadmills.
I actually enjoy this time of year when you can get on with your own thing before team training begins again in the new year.
Very justified in my opinion. Anything that encourages people to do power or Olympic lifts as quickly as possible in the name of competition is a no no in my books.
Always had an issue with this.. the thing about Crossfit is that it is a sport... this is where people go wrong from what I can see. You should use whatever millions of training regimes that are out there - to then go and compete at Crossfit, just like a Pro Weight lifter would train to then go out on competition day and push to the limit with very real chance of doin damage... but to use Crossfit as a training tool is not smart in my opinion... Absolutely train for Crossfit and then compete if that's your thing, but I wouldn't use Crossfit as a training regime... Unless ur Rich Froning.. then u can do whatever the frig you want
Again I would tend to disagree with that. The crossfit gym that I go to very few of them compete - its a form of exercise they enjoy doing. And I think that's what it is ultimately all about - if you enjoy Crossfit do it, if you enjoy bums and tums class do that or if you enjoy pounding a treadmill for an hour do that. In my experience from a GAA background I found it to be an excellent conditioning tool for getting fitter, faster and stronger. But i would recommend trying it rather than going on what you read and watch on the internet - i think you will find its a lot different that what you might imagine.
I'm actually a fan of Crossfit too, it's just as you say, if the coaching is poor where you have beginners being asked to perform Olympic lifts it is an absolute recipe for disaster. If your going to take part in Crossfit you need a solid background in lifting before going I think.
Quote from: square_ball on October 29, 2015, 11:42:17 AM
Quote from: No1 on October 29, 2015, 11:00:41 AM
Gallsman & square_ball, I'd be interested in hearing more of your views on Crossfit. I've heard a few different opinions and am still unsure. The only thing I know for sure is that it's expensive!
See my responses to the other posts. As i said its not the be all and end all of fitness but its something I enjoy and worked for me. It does come down to quality of coaching but that goes for anything fitness related. In terms of being expenses yeah i guess it is if you take the figures on their own but compare it to PTs who are charge £20 to £30 per session as well as gym membership on top of that then it isn't really.
I can't get over the prices some PT's are charging to be honest, they range from the extreme to the ridiculous, I was maybe lucky in that I had a few friends that started lifting before me and studied it and I got the benefit from that but I see a lot of people paying crazy money, £15 per person for a 1 on 3 45min session was one such example, which was for a group of relative beginners.. unreal
Oh definitely Olympic lifts can be a recipe for disaster they are very technical and very difficult to master. Give me a squat or deadlift any day of the week.
Everyone seems to be turning their hand to personal training these days and the prices can be extortionate for what you actually get.
there does seem to be a serious amount of gym work being done by GAA club teams. I personally think it's great compared to years gone by when it was laps of the pitch etc!
Quote from: square_ball on October 29, 2015, 11:32:43 AM
Quote from: gallsman on October 29, 2015, 10:55:14 AM
Quote from: square_ball on October 29, 2015, 10:48:49 AM
Agree with a lot of what is being said. Diet is definitely key. Get the batch of chicken fillets bought from the butcher and prep your meals every few days as it makes life so much easier. If your working in an office its actually ideal as you can bring in your fruit, nuts & lunches etc and you have no excuses really. Also get the water right as well - 2 or 3 litres a day minimum. Myfitnesspal is a good app to use initially just to understand exactly what you are eating.
As the lads have said getting a good strength based gym programme will do you wonders. I'd suggest something like Crossfit as an excellent form of conditioning even though it gets a bad rap (unjustified in my opinion). This time a year you are wasting your time running on roads and treadmills.
I actually enjoy this time of year when you can get on with your own thing before team training begins again in the new year.
Very justified in my opinion. Anything that encourages people to do power or Olympic lifts as quickly as possible in the name of competition is a no no in my books.
That seems to be the stick that Crossfit gets beat with. People seem to have this notion that every workout involves 50 x snatch and 50 x clean & jerk where the experience that i have had with it couldnt be any different. Those lifts are coached and coached very well might I add. Very rarely are they used in a workout and if they are they are very low reps. For things like squat, deadlift and other lifts you are actually coached as well as placing a high emphasis on flexibility and mobility. As i say in my experience it is an excellent form conditioning and for me I was never fitter when I did it.
Out of interest Gallsman have you tried it before? Don't get me wrong I'm not saying CrossFit is the be all and end all by any means just interested in your views on it if you have tried it?
Yes, I have tried it before and I don't like it for the reasons stated above. Coaching varies wildly - perhaps you've hit the jackpot and had a great coach, but plenty of others haven't. I'm not aure about now, but at least up until last year you could become an accredited CrossFit coach in absolutely no time at all.
Not all WODs have mad numbers of reps on dangerous lifts, but plenty of them do and the (encouraged) competitive aspect of it (trying to do things as quickly as possible, or establish a max within a time limit) risks people not preparing properly for lifts and consequently risking serious injury.
On top of all that, it's an absolute f**king rip off.
Quote from: No1 on October 29, 2015, 11:00:41 AM
Gallsman & square_ball, I'd be interested in hearing more of your views on Crossfit. I've heard a few different opinions and am still unsure. The only thing I know for sure is that it's expensive!
Crossfit has plenty of benefits. Obviously it's so broad it'll cover almost all aspects of fitness - particularly strength, flexibility and speed and, to a slightly lesser extent, stamina. As they're high intensity workouts, it can be compared to HIIT to an extent and would be good prep for team sports like football, hurling, soccer etc.
I don't like it becasue of the reasons I mentioned about encouraging people to do weights at speed and the huge variability in coaching standards. I'm also not overly fond of handing over cash to turn up on a day when half a WOD might be to go for a 2 mile run.
Gyms are what you make them, using it as a place to come in and do a series of weight exercises to build muscle or using the cardio machines to get a level of fitness...
I was always wary of gym's being involved with he club meant I never needed to go to the gym, I wish I had have went when I was playing, have missed out of so much in my view..
I use the gym most days of the week, always changing routines.. its a great place for social interaction also, providing you stay at the same gym... My mix would be at the minute... A hiit class on a Tuesday followed by Balance/fusion class.. Wed would be cardio fitness in the morning before work, would be ten minutes on the stairmaster (which is brutal if you have it around 17) 20 minute run (3 miles) and ten minutes on the rower, after that some stomach drills and a good stretch... then that night would go to the pump class, sooooo many benefits to that class!!!! :P Thursday would be Pilates, Friday morning a mix of cardio stuff and weights.... Saturday I have a double class in the morning first thing, if I don't do the park run I go to a cardio blast class, its fecking tough and follow that with pump class... Sunday is a half hour pump class followed by Balance/fusion class... Monday rest!! It may seem a lot but morning work outs save you time away from the house and you have the rest of the day to do what's needed around the house.
Using the class means not using a PT, the PT's that take the classes have a lot of time for you and correct any issues they feel you are doing wrong, plus in a class of 23/24 people there generally is only about 3/4 lads, which is nice ;D
As said above losing weight is simple, stop eating like a feck pig, cut out the pints and clean up your act... the gym will only tone you and give you fitness, it won't necessary lose you weight... and mix it up... hopefully back doing triathlons this year as was too busy last year, started back swimming again and it has given me new aches and pains!! All good, like I say, I wish I was this fit when I was playing!!
Oh I would never pay for a PT myself but can see the benefits of it if you are unsure of equipment or technique
Quote from: gallsman on October 29, 2015, 01:59:51 PM
Quote from: square_ball on October 29, 2015, 11:32:43 AM
Quote from: gallsman on October 29, 2015, 10:55:14 AM
Quote from: square_ball on October 29, 2015, 10:48:49 AM
Agree with a lot of what is being said. Diet is definitely key. Get the batch of chicken fillets bought from the butcher and prep your meals every few days as it makes life so much easier. If your working in an office its actually ideal as you can bring in your fruit, nuts & lunches etc and you have no excuses really. Also get the water right as well - 2 or 3 litres a day minimum. Myfitnesspal is a good app to use initially just to understand exactly what you are eating.
As the lads have said getting a good strength based gym programme will do you wonders. I'd suggest something like Crossfit as an excellent form of conditioning even though it gets a bad rap (unjustified in my opinion). This time a year you are wasting your time running on roads and treadmills.
I actually enjoy this time of year when you can get on with your own thing before team training begins again in the new year.
Very justified in my opinion. Anything that encourages people to do power or Olympic lifts as quickly as possible in the name of competition is a no no in my books.
That seems to be the stick that Crossfit gets beat with. People seem to have this notion that every workout involves 50 x snatch and 50 x clean & jerk where the experience that i have had with it couldnt be any different. Those lifts are coached and coached very well might I add. Very rarely are they used in a workout and if they are they are very low reps. For things like squat, deadlift and other lifts you are actually coached as well as placing a high emphasis on flexibility and mobility. As i say in my experience it is an excellent form conditioning and for me I was never fitter when I did it.
Out of interest Gallsman have you tried it before? Don't get me wrong I'm not saying CrossFit is the be all and end all by any means just interested in your views on it if you have tried it?
Yes, I have tried it before and I don't like it for the reasons stated above. Coaching varies wildly - perhaps you've hit the jackpot and had a great coach, but plenty of others haven't. I'm not aure about now, but at least up until last year you could become an accredited CrossFit coach in absolutely no time at all.
Not all WODs have mad numbers of reps on dangerous lifts, but plenty of them do and the (encouraged) competitive aspect of it (trying to do things as quickly as possible, or establish a max within a time limit) risks people not preparing properly for lifts and consequently risking serious injury.
On top of all that, it's an absolute f**king rip off.
Fair points - I do agree on the high reps/for time etc. it is a recipe for disaster when technique starts to go when fatigue sets in.
In terms of cost I would argue it doesn't really cost that much more than a gym membership (again maybe just my experience) and comparing it to PTs (also takes no time to get that piece of paper) who charge upwards £30 for an hours session then its value for my money in my book
We'll agree to disagree anyway on it. As i said previously it's whatever people enjoy doing and what works best for themselves.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2015, 02:27:02 PM
Gyms are what you make them, using it as a place to come in and do a series of weight exercises to build muscle or using the cardio machines to get a level of fitness...
I was always wary of gym's being involved with he club meant I never needed to go to the gym, I wish I had have went when I was playing, have missed out of so much in my view..
I use the gym most days of the week, always changing routines.. its a great place for social interaction also, providing you stay at the same gym... My mix would be at the minute... A hiit class on a Tuesday followed by Balance/fusion class.. Wed would be cardio fitness in the morning before work, would be ten minutes on the stairmaster (which is brutal if you have it around 17) 20 minute run (3 miles) and ten minutes on the rower, after that some stomach drills and a good stretch... then that night would go to the pump class, sooooo many benefits to that class!!!! :P Thursday would be Pilates, Friday morning a mix of cardio stuff and weights.... Saturday I have a double class in the morning first thing, if I don't do the park run I go to a cardio blast class, its fecking tough and follow that with pump class... Sunday is a half hour pump class followed by Balance/fusion class... Monday rest!! It may seem a lot but morning work outs save you time away from the house and you have the rest of the day to do what's needed around the house.
Using the class means not using a PT, the PT's that take the classes have a lot of time for you and correct any issues they feel you are doing wrong, plus in a class of 23/24 people there generally is only about 3/4 lads, which is nice ;D
As said above losing weight is simple, stop eating like a feck pig, cut out the pints and clean up your act... the gym will only tone you and give you fitness, it won't necessary lose you weight... and mix it up... hopefully back doing triathlons this year as was too busy last year, started back swimming again and it has given me new aches and pains!! All good, like I say, I wish I was this fit when I was playing!!
Oh I would never pay for a PT myself but can see the benefits of it if you are unsure of equipment or technique
Qwer goin that anyway, recently started morning sessions before work, still doin as many evenin workouts as I would have been before, feeling all the better for it.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2015, 02:27:02 PM
Gyms are what you make them, using it as a place to come in and do a series of weight exercises to build muscle or using the cardio machines to get a level of fitness...
I was always wary of gym's being involved with he club meant I never needed to go to the gym, I wish I had have went when I was playing, have missed out of so much in my view..
I use the gym most days of the week, always changing routines.. its a great place for social interaction also, providing you stay at the same gym... My mix would be at the minute... A hiit class on a Tuesday followed by Balance/fusion class.. Wed would be cardio fitness in the morning before work, would be ten minutes on the stairmaster (which is brutal if you have it around 17) 20 minute run (3 miles) and ten minutes on the rower, after that some stomach drills and a good stretch... then that night would go to the pump class, sooooo many benefits to that class!!!! :P Thursday would be Pilates, Friday morning a mix of cardio stuff and weights.... Saturday I have a double class in the morning first thing, if I don't do the park run I go to a cardio blast class, its fecking tough and follow that with pump class... Sunday is a half hour pump class followed by Balance/fusion class... Monday rest!! It may seem a lot but morning work outs save you time away from the house and you have the rest of the day to do what's needed around the house.
Using the class means not using a PT, the PT's that take the classes have a lot of time for you and correct any issues they feel you are doing wrong, plus in a class of 23/24 people there generally is only about 3/4 lads, which is nice ;D
As said above losing weight is simple, stop eating like a feck pig, cut out the pints and clean up your act... the gym will only tone you and give you fitness, it won't necessary lose you weight... and mix it up... hopefully back doing triathlons this year as was too busy last year, started back swimming again and it has given me new aches and pains!! All good, like I say, I wish I was this fit when I was playing!!
Oh I would never pay for a PT myself but can see the benefits of it if you are unsure of equipment or technique
all this and still getting the div 4 games MR2, yo must be the fittest man on the pitch lol.
Seriously though thats some going, prob more to do with getting into the routine i suppose. Ive the bag packed to head to the gym this evening gonna give the HIIT a blast
good man themac. Roll on the 'happy pain' !
Quote from: themac_23 on October 29, 2015, 03:52:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2015, 02:27:02 PM
Gyms are what you make them, using it as a place to come in and do a series of weight exercises to build muscle or using the cardio machines to get a level of fitness...
I was always wary of gym's being involved with he club meant I never needed to go to the gym, I wish I had have went when I was playing, have missed out of so much in my view..
I use the gym most days of the week, always changing routines.. its a great place for social interaction also, providing you stay at the same gym... My mix would be at the minute... A hiit class on a Tuesday followed by Balance/fusion class.. Wed would be cardio fitness in the morning before work, would be ten minutes on the stairmaster (which is brutal if you have it around 17) 20 minute run (3 miles) and ten minutes on the rower, after that some stomach drills and a good stretch... then that night would go to the pump class, sooooo many benefits to that class!!!! :P Thursday would be Pilates, Friday morning a mix of cardio stuff and weights.... Saturday I have a double class in the morning first thing, if I don't do the park run I go to a cardio blast class, its fecking tough and follow that with pump class... Sunday is a half hour pump class followed by Balance/fusion class... Monday rest!! It may seem a lot but morning work outs save you time away from the house and you have the rest of the day to do what's needed around the house.
Using the class means not using a PT, the PT's that take the classes have a lot of time for you and correct any issues they feel you are doing wrong, plus in a class of 23/24 people there generally is only about 3/4 lads, which is nice ;D
As said above losing weight is simple, stop eating like a feck pig, cut out the pints and clean up your act... the gym will only tone you and give you fitness, it won't necessary lose you weight... and mix it up... hopefully back doing triathlons this year as was too busy last year, started back swimming again and it has given me new aches and pains!! All good, like I say, I wish I was this fit when I was playing!!
Oh I would never pay for a PT myself but can see the benefits of it if you are unsure of equipment or technique
all this and still getting the div 4 games MR2, yo must be the fittest man on the pitch lol.
Seriously though thats some going, prob more to do with getting into the routine i suppose. Ive the bag packed to head to the gym this evening gonna give the HIIT a blast
Haha.... Enjoy the HIIT class.... Don't be holding back lol
Slept in this morning, bit late for the gym before work in the city.. ended up literally just walking in and getting showered and ready for work. Looked the part walking out with the gym bag and the women coming in though.. see, every little helps
U lot are just perving at the gyms...i'd never do that. There was a woman in the kettle bell class on Wed nite in front of me wearing loose running shorts that finished mm below her bum cheeks. The instructor (at my request, he's my mate) got us at the end of the class to balance on one leg and slowly bend forward with the free leg going 90 degrees to your standing leg whilst holding the kettle bell by your standing leg. The sight in front of me was interesting to say the least...Flange hanging out like a busted guddie
Quote from: illdecide on October 30, 2015, 03:32:08 PM
U lot are just perving at the gyms...i'd never do that. There was a woman in the kettle bell class on Wed nite in front of me wearing loose running shorts that finished mm below her bum cheeks. The instructor (at my request, he's my mate) got us at the end of the class to balance on one leg and slowly bend forward with the free leg going 90 degrees to your standing leg whilst holding the kettle bell by your standing leg. The sight in front of me was interesting to say the least...Flange hanging out like a busted guddie
Brilliant description you pervy bastard, love it.
That didn't really happen though, did it?
Quote from: gallsman on October 30, 2015, 06:16:11 PM
That didn't really happen though, did it?
Ok i sort of exaggerated it a bit but it did happen, didn't see the full blurt but got a view of the lumps & bumps :D...Reading back it sounds like im a creep but it wasn't my fault that a lovely looking girl decides to wear running shorts up to her bum cheeks to do kettle bells. Def be back this wed nite ;)
Rule no 1 illdecide ;D
Quote from: Hereiam on November 02, 2015, 10:59:36 AM
Rule no 1 illdecide ;D
aye right...don't fancy jail at this stage of my perving career
Quote from: illdecide on November 02, 2015, 10:47:05 AM
Quote from: gallsman on October 30, 2015, 06:16:11 PM
That didn't really happen though, did it?
Ok i sort of exaggerated it a bit but it did happen, didn't see the full blurt but got a view of the lumps & bumps :D...Reading back it sounds like im a creep but it wasn't my fault that a lovely looking girl decides to wear running shorts up to her bum cheeks to do kettle bells. Def be back this wed nite ;)
I'll tell you what, when you're in a class with ladies about, you don't half up your game !
Not a peep from themac since his first session !
when we started with the weight trainin with the GAA club the manager had put up a workout to test how you were improving, tried it again during last week for the first time in over a year. Test yourself if you want. Think it's widely known as "The 300 workout". Anything sub-20min is good.
25 pull ups
50 deadlifts @ 60kg
50 press-ups
50 window washers @ 60kg (leg raises to the barbell in the bench position)
50 box jumps
50 Dumbbell clean and press @15Kg
25 chin ups
Usually at this time of year, I take 2/3 week break from absolutely all training. In that time I empty some amount of rubbish down my throat in both solid and liquid form. Probably defeats the whole purpose of eating clean during the year. However, as I start back tonight into the routine again, I have an unusual sense of dread. Any ideas on how to ease myself back in?
Quote from: JoG2 on November 02, 2015, 11:02:43 AM
Quote from: illdecide on November 02, 2015, 10:47:05 AM
Quote from: gallsman on October 30, 2015, 06:16:11 PM
That didn't really happen though, did it?
Ok i sort of exaggerated it a bit but it did happen, didn't see the full blurt but got a view of the lumps & bumps :D...Reading back it sounds like im a creep but it wasn't my fault that a lovely looking girl decides to wear running shorts up to her bum cheeks to do kettle bells. Def be back this wed nite ;)
I'll tell you what, when you're in a class with ladies about, you don't half up your game !
Not a peep from themac since his first session !
Yeah, I'd like to hear about the HIIT class he done ::) , I'm going again tomorrow night (feck knows why) its a belter of a class but will do a 10 minute warm up first I think.
As for the ladies in classes, that's just the way it is I was always a be sceptic at first that they'd be rubbish, but I bet any man to go to some of those classes and come away saying it was fine is a liar!! Pump, HIIT, cardio blast and obviously Spin classes are all great workouts, think Pump is underestimated and its a tough hour class, hitting all the muscle groups
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on November 02, 2015, 11:18:07 AM
when we started with the weight trainin with the GAA club the manager had put up a workout to test how you were improving, tried it again during last week for the first time in over a year. Test yourself if you want. Think it's widely known as "The 300 workout". Anything sub-20min is good.
25 pull ups
50 deadlifts @ 60kg
50 press-ups
50 window washers @ 60kg (leg raises to the barbell in the bench position)
50 box jumps
50 Dumbbell clean and press @15Kg
25 chin ups
I don't understand how these window washer things work. Is it just leg extensions but using a bar rather than the machine?
Quote from: gallsman on November 02, 2015, 01:27:42 PM
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on November 02, 2015, 11:18:07 AM
when we started with the weight trainin with the GAA club the manager had put up a workout to test how you were improving, tried it again during last week for the first time in over a year. Test yourself if you want. Think it's widely known as "The 300 workout". Anything sub-20min is good.
25 pull ups
50 deadlifts @ 60kg
50 press-ups
50 window washers @ 60kg (leg raises to the barbell in the bench position)
50 box jumps
50 Dumbbell clean and press @15Kg
25 chin ups
I don't understand how these window washer things work. Is it just leg extensions but using a bar rather than the machine?
Na na, imagine ur lying on the bench doing a bench press.. press the bar and hold it up there for the duration of the exercise, you then raise ur legs up and down to the bar - keeping the legs straight ensuring your feet don't touch the ground between reps, your shins will touch the bar.. Its just an exercise for your core, probably best to be done slow and controlled although with the purpose of that routine being speed it's kind of contradictory.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 02, 2015, 01:23:29 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on November 02, 2015, 11:02:43 AM
Quote from: illdecide on November 02, 2015, 10:47:05 AM
Quote from: gallsman on October 30, 2015, 06:16:11 PM
That didn't really happen though, did it?
Ok i sort of exaggerated it a bit but it did happen, didn't see the full blurt but got a view of the lumps & bumps :D...Reading back it sounds like im a creep but it wasn't my fault that a lovely looking girl decides to wear running shorts up to her bum cheeks to do kettle bells. Def be back this wed nite ;)
I'll tell you what, when you're in a class with ladies about, you don't half up your game !
Not a peep from themac since his first session !
Yeah, I'd like to hear about the HIIT class he done ::) , I'm going again tomorrow night (feck knows why) its a belter of a class but will do a 10 minute warm up first I think.
As for the ladies in classes, that's just the way it is I was always a be sceptic at first that they'd be rubbish, but I bet any man to go to some of those classes and come away saying it was fine is a liar!! Pump, HIIT, cardio blast and obviously Spin classes are all great workouts, think Pump is underestimated and its a tough hour class, hitting all the muscle groups
Its alright lads I'm still alive, Just haven't been on the board much been flat out.... just not in the gym! lol
Went to the gym on thurs evening done 15 mins on cross trainer some light weights and core and finished with some 3 sets of 6 sprints on the treadmill at incline 2 and as fast as i could go. fairly felt it on friday morning! done a spin class on sat morning and thats all I've done so far. Gonna go tonight and try and build on thurs night maybe up the weights, core and see if i can add an extra sprint on to each set.
agree with the Pump...think it's a great class, you don't come out of it with the sweat lashing of you they way u would say at spinning but your muscles are burning and do so for quite a while after the class...highly recommended. Spin classes are great for emptying the tank too and working up a great sweat, i normally do a kettle class or a medafit class and then the spin straight afterwards which is a great 90min workout.
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on November 02, 2015, 01:41:47 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 02, 2015, 01:27:42 PM
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on November 02, 2015, 11:18:07 AM
when we started with the weight trainin with the GAA club the manager had put up a workout to test how you were improving, tried it again during last week for the first time in over a year. Test yourself if you want. Think it's widely known as "The 300 workout". Anything sub-20min is good.
25 pull ups
50 deadlifts @ 60kg
50 press-ups
50 window washers @ 60kg (leg raises to the barbell in the bench position)
50 box jumps
50 Dumbbell clean and press @15Kg
25 chin ups
I don't understand how these window washer things work. Is it just leg extensions but using a bar rather than the machine?
Na na, imagine ur lying on the bench doing a bench press.. press the bar and hold it up there for the duration of the exercise, you then raise ur legs up and down to the bar - keeping the legs straight ensuring your feet don't touch the ground between reps, your shins will touch the bar.. Its just an exercise for your core, probably best to be done slow and controlled although with the purpose of that routine being speed it's kind of contradictory.
Seems a bit mad to press the bar and hold it there? Just lock your arms out with 60kg above you head all for a core exercise? Why not do it with a training bar and no weight on it?
Quote from: gallsman on November 02, 2015, 02:47:04 PM
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on November 02, 2015, 01:41:47 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 02, 2015, 01:27:42 PM
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on November 02, 2015, 11:18:07 AM
when we started with the weight trainin with the GAA club the manager had put up a workout to test how you were improving, tried it again during last week for the first time in over a year. Test yourself if you want. Think it's widely known as "The 300 workout". Anything sub-20min is good.
25 pull ups
50 deadlifts @ 60kg
50 press-ups
50 window washers @ 60kg (leg raises to the barbell in the bench position)
50 box jumps
50 Dumbbell clean and press @15Kg
25 chin ups
I don't understand how these window washer things work. Is it just leg extensions but using a bar rather than the machine?
Na na, imagine ur lying on the bench doing a bench press.. press the bar and hold it up there for the duration of the exercise, you then raise ur legs up and down to the bar - keeping the legs straight ensuring your feet don't touch the ground between reps, your shins will touch the bar.. Its just an exercise for your core, probably best to be done slow and controlled although with the purpose of that routine being speed it's kind of contradictory.
Seems a bit mad to press the bar and hold it there? Just lock your arms out with 60kg above you head all for a core exercise? Why not do it with a training bar and no weight on it?
Requires much more strength and core stability with increased weight... tougher exercise.
its meant to hit the lower abs, the weight on the BB helps counteract the weight of your legs
25 pull ups and 25 chin ups . . . As someone whose max is 12 this would be a complete nightmare and that's before even looking at the rest which look damn tough but probably doable!
Quote from: screenexile on November 02, 2015, 03:33:50 PM
25 pull ups and 25 chin ups . . . As someone whose max is 12 this would be a complete nightmare and that's before even looking at the rest which look damn tough but probably doable!
12? You must be carrying weight ;D
Gaining or draining?
I don't think that workout would help long term with gains...
Quote from: The Iceman on November 02, 2015, 03:36:50 PM
Gaining or draining?
I don't think that workout would help long term with gains...
yeah I agree, that's what I was saying, we used it maybe a month apart to check progress.. bit of an competition/incentive just at the time
Quote from: screenexile on November 02, 2015, 03:33:50 PM
25 pull ups and 25 chin ups . . . As someone whose max is 12 this would be a complete nightmare and that's before even looking at the rest which look damn tough but probably doable!
the 25 chins at the end are death, do them in sets of 3 even or whatever, just get ur chin above the bar.. trust me im definitely not banging out 25 pull ups with no stops :-\
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 02, 2015, 03:35:24 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 02, 2015, 03:33:50 PM
25 pull ups and 25 chin ups . . . As someone whose max is 12 this would be a complete nightmare and that's before even looking at the rest which look damn tough but probably doable!
12? You must be carrying weight ;D
I'm not fat, I'm big boned!!
Locking sixty kilos above your upper body just do you can do a few leg raises doesn't sound like the smartest thing in the world, especially in the middle of a workout like that.
Def never heard of window washers by lifting the barbell while doing it. Christ that's bound to be dangerous
20 pull ups in a row is US marine top marks. 25, I wouldn't get near maybe with a band for assistance - given it is mostly a back muscle exercise. The rest is certainly doable, although I'm not throwing a barbell into the window washers - that seems ridiculous.
Quote from: Puckoon on November 02, 2015, 08:45:38 PM
20 pull ups in a row is US marine top marks. 25, I wouldn't get near maybe with a band for assistance - given it is mostly a back muscle exercise. The rest is certainly doable, although I'm not throwing a barbell into the window washers - that seems ridiculous.
The marine pull ups are proper ones too, with strict form and no kipping. If you hear CrossFitters taking snout suspiciously high numbers of pullups, raise an eyebrow - the technique used in it is dubious to say the least.
Quote from: gallsman on November 02, 2015, 08:52:53 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on November 02, 2015, 08:45:38 PM
20 pull ups in a row is US marine top marks. 25, I wouldn't get near maybe with a band for assistance - given it is mostly a back muscle exercise. The rest is certainly doable, although I'm not throwing a barbell into the window washers - that seems ridiculous.
The marine pull ups are proper ones too, with strict form and no kipping. If you hear CrossFitters taking snout suspiciously high numbers of pullups, raise an eyebrow - the technique used in it is dubious to say the least.
these are proper pull ups
(http://basketballhq.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/pullups.jpg)
I put up a bar on one of the doors upstairs and just worked my way up to 15/20/25 ..... once you get round to doing them you can get to 25 easy enough
25 easy enough :o
I would consider myself not bad in terms of strength. 25 pull ups in a row is very impressive. I can't get near that without taking a break at 12-14
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 02, 2015, 09:12:05 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 02, 2015, 08:52:53 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on November 02, 2015, 08:45:38 PM
20 pull ups in a row is US marine top marks. 25, I wouldn't get near maybe with a band for assistance - given it is mostly a back muscle exercise. The rest is certainly doable, although I'm not throwing a barbell into the window washers - that seems ridiculous.
The marine pull ups are proper ones too, with strict form and no kipping. If you hear CrossFitters taking snout suspiciously high numbers of pullups, raise an eyebrow - the technique used in it is dubious to say the least.
these are proper pull ups
(http://basketballhq.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/pullups.jpg)
I put up a bar on one of the doors upstairs and just worked my way up to 15/20/25 ..... once you get round to doing them you can get to 25 easy enough
MR2 - are u saying you an do 25 proper pulls ups in a row? Don't forget the original post had the 25 as part of a '300' workout although I presume they are done in spurts of 4/5. I think the '300' figures are total per exercise, not all done in 1 go. Maybe I am wrong, but I assumed you could rest but still do the required total for each exercise
Yes, you just do all the reps as quickly as you can. Basically a CrossFit workout, but a bit on the extreme side.
Quote from: Mikhailov on November 02, 2015, 09:48:04 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 02, 2015, 09:12:05 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 02, 2015, 08:52:53 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on November 02, 2015, 08:45:38 PM
20 pull ups in a row is US marine top marks. 25, I wouldn't get near maybe with a band for assistance - given it is mostly a back muscle exercise. The rest is certainly doable, although I'm not throwing a barbell into the window washers - that seems ridiculous.
The marine pull ups are proper ones too, with strict form and no kipping. If you hear CrossFitters taking snout suspiciously high numbers of pullups, raise an eyebrow - the technique used in it is dubious to say the least.
these are proper pull ups
(http://basketballhq.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/pullups.jpg)
I put up a bar on one of the doors upstairs and just worked my way up to 15/20/25 ..... once you get round to doing them you can get to 25 easy enough
MR2 - are u saying you an do 25 proper pulls ups in a row? Don't forget the original post had the 25 as part of a '300' workout although I presume they are done in spurts of 4/5. I think the '300' figures are total per exercise, not all done in 1 go. Maybe I am wrong, but I assumed you could rest but still do the required total for each exercise
Can do 25 to start but if I was doing a set it generally works like this.... 25, 20, 15 and 10... the last 10 feel like you are doing 30!! that would have been my morning workout at home mixed in with sit ups and press ups... Now I just go to the gym in the mornings.. I'm only 11 stone so a lot easier for me with not much weight
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 02, 2015, 10:07:56 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on November 02, 2015, 09:48:04 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 02, 2015, 09:12:05 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 02, 2015, 08:52:53 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on November 02, 2015, 08:45:38 PM
20 pull ups in a row is US marine top marks. 25, I wouldn't get near maybe with a band for assistance - given it is mostly a back muscle exercise. The rest is certainly doable, although I'm not throwing a barbell into the window washers - that seems ridiculous.
The marine pull ups are proper ones too, with strict form and no kipping. If you hear CrossFitters taking snout suspiciously high numbers of pullups, raise an eyebrow - the technique used in it is dubious to say the least.
these are proper pull ups
(http://basketballhq.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/pullups.jpg)
I put up a bar on one of the doors upstairs and just worked my way up to 15/20/25 ..... once you get round to doing them you can get to 25 easy enough
MR2 - are u saying you an do 25 proper pulls ups in a row? Don't forget the original post had the 25 as part of a '300' workout although I presume they are done in spurts of 4/5. I think the '300' figures are total per exercise, not all done in 1 go. Maybe I am wrong, but I assumed you could rest but still do the required total for each exercise
Can do 25 to start but if I was doing a set it generally works like this.... 25, 20, 15 and 10... the last 10 feel like you are doing 30!! that would have been my morning workout at home mixed in with sit ups and press ups... Now I just go to the gym in the mornings.. I'm only 11 stone so a lot easier for me with not much weight
Agree with Milltown. Pull ups are like most other exercises. When they are done and practised regularly it is easy enough to build up. If not done regularly however, they are a nightmare and your sets go way back.
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on November 02, 2015, 11:18:07 AM
when we started with the weight trainin with the GAA club the manager had put up a workout to test how you were improving, tried it again during last week for the first time in over a year. Test yourself if you want. Think it's widely known as "The 300 workout". Anything sub-20min is good.
25 pull ups
50 deadlifts @ 60kg
50 press-ups
50 window washers @ 60kg (leg raises to the barbell in the bench position)
50 box jumps
50 Dumbbell clean and press @15Kg
25 chin ups
Your club manager is a clown. One of the stupidest programmes I've seen in a long time. Why would anyone do 50 box jumps?
I always classed push-ups and pull-ups in the same bracket, as practice exercises. If you do them regularly over a period of a few weeks you can easily build up from 4 or 5 to 30. On the flip side, if you stop doing them you will go back just as quick.
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 03, 2015, 08:44:22 AM
I always classed push-ups and pull-ups in the same bracket, as practice exercises. If you do them regularly over a period of a few weeks you can easily build up from 4 or 5 to 30. On the flip side, if you stop doing them you will go back just as quick.
very true, was at the gym this morning and only managed 15!! must get the bar back up in the house and get them going again
For all the controversy surrounding the leg raises there's a link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9xLRBULE-Y
Quote from: INDIANA on November 02, 2015, 10:45:30 PM
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on November 02, 2015, 11:18:07 AM
when we started with the weight trainin with the GAA club the manager had put up a workout to test how you were improving, tried it again during last week for the first time in over a year. Test yourself if you want. Think it's widely known as "The 300 workout". Anything sub-20min is good.
25 pull ups
50 deadlifts @ 60kg
50 press-ups
50 window washers @ 60kg (leg raises to the barbell in the bench position)
50 box jumps
50 Dumbbell clean and press @15Kg
25 chin ups
Your club manager is a clown. One of the stupidest programmes I've seen in a long time. Why would anyone do 50 box jumps?
It's just used as a stamina exercise, not saying it used to directly enhance explosiveness or anything... your missing the point, the routine isn't used every other night to provide gains, it was a session that we went back to monthly or so to measure progress. 50 box jumps is as valid an exercise to do as squat jumps or the likes. He was no clown I promise ye that!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 03, 2015, 08:50:15 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 03, 2015, 08:44:22 AM
I always classed push-ups and pull-ups in the same bracket, as practice exercises. If you do them regularly over a period of a few weeks you can easily build up from 4 or 5 to 30. On the flip side, if you stop doing them you will go back just as quick.
very true, was at the gym this morning and only managed 15!! must get the bar back up in the house and get them going again
Only 15?? Have you let yourself go a little?? :o :o :P
Quote from: screenexile on November 03, 2015, 11:01:15 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 03, 2015, 08:50:15 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 03, 2015, 08:44:22 AM
I always classed push-ups and pull-ups in the same bracket, as practice exercises. If you do them regularly over a period of a few weeks you can easily build up from 4 or 5 to 30. On the flip side, if you stop doing them you will go back just as quick.
very true, was at the gym this morning and only managed 15!! must get the bar back up in the house and get them going again
Only 15?? Have you let yourself go a little?? :o :o :P
It's the routine..... I was looking at the pull up bars in the gym today and was like hmmm I'll see where I'm at (having not done them in a while) so finished my 30 minute run and headed over!! blazed through the first 12 and the last 3 I felt drained ... did a straight 10 after it and went about my usual routine .... I'll get 25 soon enough!!
Jaysus, when I was 17/18 I could get to maybe the 20s, but now.........
Actually I might set up an App: C21CU (Couch to 1 chin up)
Any buyers? (Probably the wrong thread for this, maybe I should put it on the Beer thread)
My thoughts:
RE: Windowwasher - they are done lying on the floor, press the bar above chest (it can be easily lowered if fatigued), lift legs to towards left side of bar and back then right and back that's one rep. It's not pressed above head and if 60kg is too much put less on.
Again this 300 workout is just a high rep workout I don't really know how much cross over to gaelic football there would be - it's just a challenge.
Off season really for me would be a simple enough progressive overload strength program with the core lifts (squat, bench, overhead press, dead lift, rows, pull ups and chin ups), some core work like planks etc and plenty of mobility work and maybe a 4-5km run a week.
Some sprint interval training if you are looking to trim down.
Weights should be focused more for strength to BW ratio rather than getting huge.
Nail on head stuff there
I love the gym when I get into my routine, unfortunately my social life often gets in the way. Ive really started to like pull-ups myself, and as stated, I had been doing 5 sets, getting quite a few in each set, but stopped for a while and it was extremely disheartening how little I could do when I returned. Just have to build them back up.
On a side note, there are some bellends in the gym. One woman in particular yesterday, attractive, great body, but I seen her walking about the entire time and not actually doing anything, with her ipod stored in her chest area. Shes in the same category as the nobs who make the most noise possible whilst doing the most overly complicated exercises to gain that extra bit of attention. Throwing the extremely heavy weights down as hard as they can also ensures this extra attention.
Quote from: ThroughTheLaces on November 03, 2015, 10:10:03 PM
I love the gym when I get into my routine, unfortunately my social life often gets in the way. Ive really started to like pull-ups myself, and as stated, I had been doing 5 sets, getting quite a few in each set, but stopped for a while and it was extremely disheartening how little I could do when I returned. Just have to build them back up.
On a side note, there are some bellends in the gym. One woman in particular yesterday, attractive, great body, but I seen her walking about the entire time and not actually doing anything, with her ipod stored in her chest area. Shes in the same category as the nobs who make the most noise possible whilst doing the most overly complicated exercises to gain that extra bit of attention. Throwing the extremely heavy weights down as hard as they can also ensures this extra attention.
You'll get that in some gyms, but I must say DW in Newtownabbey is great, couple of twats but in the main normal punters, I suppose te price of £38 a month keeps out the melters... I've met a lot of new people and started doing loads of different classes... great banter loads of competitive craic and good aul banter.. it suited my needs initially with the pool which I wanted for training for triathlons...
cheaper the gym price then more chance of spides hitting it....
In fairness the gym I'm in is in a nice area, not unusual to see some of the Home & Away 'stars' in there ;D but its the area where you'll get the guys that like looking at themselves and like others looking at them even more. But obviously you have the sounds ones that you could ask for a bit of advice on a certain new exercise they're doing or will spot you, let you jump in on sets etc.
Not a big lad myself so when I started at the gym I was always self conscious, but you soon come to realise that 99.9% of people there don't give a shit, its amazing the amount of people I know that wouldn't bother for that reason.
Quote from: ThroughTheLaces on November 03, 2015, 11:43:01 PM
In fairness the gym I'm in is in a nice area, not unusual to see some of the Home & Away 'stars' in there ;D but its the area where you'll get the guys that like looking at themselves and like others looking at them even more. But obviously you have the sounds ones that you could ask for a bit of advice on a certain new exercise they're doing or will spot you, let you jump in on sets etc.
Not a big lad myself so when I started at the gym I was always self conscious, but you soon come to realise that 99.9% of people there don't give a shit, its amazing the amount of people I know that wouldn't bother for that reason.
Started a gym in Belfast recently and contrary to the "meat head" idea I was surprised to see just the amount of very over weight people in for personal training or just doin their own thing - obviously trying to do something about it. Within the past few years I think there's been a huge shift in the groups going to the gym now - great to see.
Pure Gym in Belfast has taken quite a few away from my gym was is good.
You get the odd poser, baseball caps back to front, staring at themselves in the mirror, massive upper body and legs of a chicken.
There is a social aspect too and some classes can be good craic. A decent substitute to 5aside football when we can't get numbers.
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Pure Gym in Belfast has taken quite a few away from my gym was is good.
You get the odd poser, baseball caps back to front, staring at themselves in the mirror, massive upper body and legs of a chicken.
There is a social aspect too and some classes can be good craic. A decent substitute to 5aside football when we can't get numbers.
It's Pure Gym I've joined actually, close to work so suits in the mornings. Come and go whenever you want with little hassle and the equipment is good. Heard it used to be LA Fitness and had a pool before it was taken over and renovated - that would have been the qwer ticket at half 7 in the morning but ye cant win them all
Pure Gym is very affordable compared to others in the city, yeah I was in LA Fitness for a while, was overly busy and used the pool a quite a bit. There is also the one Spirit(?) at Holiday Inn which has a pool but the gym wouldn't be half as good.
For those out a bit the PEC is pretty good. I think I pay 23 a month for it which is good.
That is a membership which only includes spin and the gym mind and not classes but I think it is 27 or 29 for that. (If you're a queens grad).
Used to be in pure gym st annes square. Good gym though there would be a few scumbags about it from time to time. I remember being in one saturday afternoon and some boy getting his trousers stolen.
Had this conversation about gyms / cycling etc some weeks ago with a few pals. Nowadays, definitely imo important not to be carrying alot of weight if your job involves giving presentations, foreign travel, sales etc etc. Same if you are going for a new job.
Heard alot of good things about spinning classes.
2 games of astro for me a week is the height of it.
Starting to reach the January/February slump, how did the training go over Christmas? Pre-season kickin in now shortly too for some men.. oh the joys :-\
Focused a bit with the Suspension Strap System over the holidays... did a few sessions with a friend of mine who's now a PT, was good to get trying different things and I fairly felt it hit different muscle groups that I hadn't been working on recently.... all body weight but works the core really well...
Shying away from swimming lately... need to get back into it
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 13, 2016, 12:19:13 PM
Focused a bit with the Suspension Strap System over the holidays... did a few sessions with a friend of mine who's now a PT, was good to get trying different things and I fairly felt it hit different muscle groups that I hadn't been working on recently.... all body weight but works the core really well...
Shying away from swimming lately... need to get back into it
Go to a TRX class if you want to know pain. I thought I was in reasonable shape when I went to my first one. I've never known agony like it. One exercise on the straps followed by a two minute session of HIIT. I've never know pain like it, both during the exercise and the following few days.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 13, 2016, 12:19:13 PM
Focused a bit with the Suspension Strap System over the holidays... did a few sessions with a friend of mine who's now a PT, was good to get trying different things and I fairly felt it hit different muscle groups that I hadn't been working on recently.... all body weight but works the core really well...
Shying away from swimming lately... need to get back into it
Go to a TRX class if you want to know pain. I thought I was in reasonable shape when I went to my first one. I've never known agony like it. One exercise on the straps followed by a two minute session of HIIT. I've never know pain like it, both during the exercise and the following few days.
Must give it a go.. I do a 30 minute HIIT class, end up trying to talk myself out of it the whole day, usually feel as if I'm going to die !!
The resistance bands ones are using for warmups (or general fitness and rehab), anyone know where you can pick them up in bulk, at a reasonable price? thanks
Quote from: JoG2 on January 13, 2016, 01:37:35 PM
The resistance bands ones are using for warmups (or general fitness and rehab), anyone know where you can pick them up in bulk, at a reasonable price? thanks
vivomed.com - they are in Downpatrick I think - very reasonable prices. Range from 1.20 up to 2.90 or something like that.
I have been looking to bulk buy these myself for warm-ups, thanks for that.
TRX, very little practical application in the real world of fitness or sport
best exercises are pulling and pushing a bar with weight with lots of mobility work
eg squat, snatch, deadlift, cleans, high pulls, pull ups, overhead press, high pull deadlift
along with resisted core exercises
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Quote from: JoG2 on January 13, 2016, 01:37:35 PM
The resistance bands ones are using for warmups (or general fitness and rehab), anyone know where you can pick them up in bulk, at a reasonable price? thanks
vivomed.com - they are in Downpatrick I think - very reasonable prices. Range from 1.20 up to 2.90 or something like that.
Great, thanks
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 13, 2016, 05:15:29 PM
TRX, very little practical application in the real world of fitness or sport
best exercises are pulling and pushing a bar with weight with lots of mobility work
eg squat, snatch, deadlift, cleans, high pulls, pull ups, overhead press, high pull deadlift
along with resisted core exercises
Whereas there are "real world applications" of squats etc? What a preposterous statement. It's all just strength training - with suspension training you can make it as difficult or as easy as you want depending on the angle you work at it. It'll also engage your core far more than any compound weight exercise
Quote from: gallsman on January 13, 2016, 07:13:54 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 13, 2016, 05:15:29 PM
TRX, very little practical application in the real world of fitness or sport
best exercises are pulling and pushing a bar with weight with lots of mobility work
eg squat, snatch, deadlift, cleans, high pulls, pull ups, overhead press, high pull deadlift
along with resisted core exercises
Whereas there are "real world applications" of squats etc? What a preposterous statement. It's all just strength training - with suspension training you can make it as difficult or as easy as you want depending on the angle you work at it. It'll also engage your core far more than any compound weight exercise
when you squat under a bar you use most muscle groups in the body
it improves knee, ankle and hip mobility
my point was that TRX is grand, to be good at TRX.
you don't play sports or use straps in everyday activities.
if you ever do a strength and conditioning qualification, show me the section where they cover TRX stuff
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Quote from: gallsman on January 13, 2016, 07:13:54 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 13, 2016, 05:15:29 PM
TRX, very little practical application in the real world of fitness or sport
best exercises are pulling and pushing a bar with weight with lots of mobility work
eg squat, snatch, deadlift, cleans, high pulls, pull ups, overhead press, high pull deadlift
along with resisted core exercises
Whereas there are "real world applications" of squats etc? What a preposterous statement. It's all just strength training - with suspension training you can make it as difficult or as easy as you want depending on the angle you work at it. It'll also engage your core far more than any compound weight exercise
when you squat under a bar you use most muscle groups in the body
it improves knee, ankle and hip mobility
my point was that TRX is grand, to be good at TRX.
you don't play sports or use straps in everyday activities.
if you ever do a strength and conditioning qualification, show me the section where they cover TRX stuff
Id say most people (who don't play anymore) try and do different exercise's to keep it varied....
Doing squats, dead lifts and all that heavy stuff us great if you're into building muscle and being a meat head, for me its about agility, strength, core, cardio... and stretch/balance....
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Quote from: gallsman on January 13, 2016, 07:13:54 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 13, 2016, 05:15:29 PM
TRX, very little practical application in the real world of fitness or sport
best exercises are pulling and pushing a bar with weight with lots of mobility work
eg squat, snatch, deadlift, cleans, high pulls, pull ups, overhead press, high pull deadlift
along with resisted core exercises
Whereas there are "real world applications" of squats etc? What a preposterous statement. It's all just strength training - with suspension training you can make it as difficult or as easy as you want depending on the angle you work at it. It'll also engage your core far more than any compound weight exercise
when you squat under a bar you use most muscle groups in the body
it improves knee, ankle and hip mobility
my point was that TRX is grand, to be good at TRX.
you don't play sports or use straps in everyday activities.
if you ever do a strength and conditioning qualification, show me the section where they cover TRX stuff
To the contrary, it does the exact opposite of improve mobility, hence why so many people, including me, pay particular attention to doing mobility activity in conjunction with a weight programme. Doing compound weight movements is great for strength training and building muscle. There are other exercises that can provide strength gain benefits in addition to mobility/agility etc
One of your suggestions was snatching - for anyone other than a competitive weight or powerlifter, there's absolutely no reason to do snatches. It's downright dangerous for untrained or poorly trained people.
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Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 13, 2016, 09:40:43 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 13, 2016, 07:13:54 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 13, 2016, 05:15:29 PM
TRX, very little practical application in the real world of fitness or sport
best exercises are pulling and pushing a bar with weight with lots of mobility work
eg squat, snatch, deadlift, cleans, high pulls, pull ups, overhead press, high pull deadlift
along with resisted core exercises
Whereas there are "real world applications" of squats etc? What a preposterous statement. It's all just strength training - with suspension training you can make it as difficult or as easy as you want depending on the angle you work at it. It'll also engage your core far more than any compound weight exercise
when you squat under a bar you use most muscle groups in the body
it improves knee, ankle and hip mobility
my point was that TRX is grand, to be good at TRX.
you don't play sports or use straps in everyday activities.
if you ever do a strength and conditioning qualification, show me the section where they cover TRX stuff
To the contrary, it does the exact opposite of improve mobility, hence why so many people, including me, pay particular attention to doing mobility activity in conjunction with a weight programme. Doing compound weight movements is great for strength training and building muscle. There are other exercises that can provide strength gain benefits in addition to mobility/agility etc
One of your suggestions was snatching - for anyone other than a competitive weight or powerlifter, there's absolutely no reason to do snatches. It's downright dangerous for untrained or poorly trained people.
that is laughable
snatch is one of best exercises for mobility and power eg all GAA players and sports people in general
if a county team at this stage are not doing snatches and power cleans etc then they are 10 years behind in their S&C thinking
squats are only one part of weight training
if squats are causing tightness, it is due to poor programming.
Most exercises in the gym should be squat or deadlift based
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Quote from: gallsman on January 13, 2016, 10:19:47 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 13, 2016, 09:40:43 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 13, 2016, 07:13:54 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 13, 2016, 05:15:29 PM
TRX, very little practical application in the real world of fitness or sport
best exercises are pulling and pushing a bar with weight with lots of mobility work
eg squat, snatch, deadlift, cleans, high pulls, pull ups, overhead press, high pull deadlift
along with resisted core exercises
Whereas there are "real world applications" of squats etc? What a preposterous statement. It's all just strength training - with suspension training you can make it as difficult or as easy as you want depending on the angle you work at it. It'll also engage your core far more than any compound weight exercise
when you squat under a bar you use most muscle groups in the body
it improves knee, ankle and hip mobility
my point was that TRX is grand, to be good at TRX.
you don't play sports or use straps in everyday activities.
if you ever do a strength and conditioning qualification, show me the section where they cover TRX stuff
To the contrary, it does the exact opposite of improve mobility, hence why so many people, including me, pay particular attention to doing mobility activity in conjunction with a weight programme. Doing compound weight movements is great for strength training and building muscle. There are other exercises that can provide strength gain benefits in addition to mobility/agility etc
One of your suggestions was snatching - for anyone other than a competitive weight or powerlifter, there's absolutely no reason to do snatches. It's downright dangerous for untrained or poorly trained people.
that is laughable
snatch is one of best exercises for mobility and power eg all GAA players and sports people in general
if a county team at this stage are not doing snatches and power cleans etc then they are 10 years behind in their S&C thinking
squats are only one part of weight training
if squats are causing tightness, it is due to poor programming.
Most exercises in the gym should be squat or deadlift based
Including people with cam or pincer head deformities?
My Gym session would be something lime this
Stretches
5mins on threadmill to get the bloid flowing
Bench press
60kg x 10
x 9
x8
Etc
When i get down to 5 i start to add more weight until the last lift is 90kg. Will keep building this
Between each set of reps i do 10 each of chin ups leg curls squats etc
Do some arm curls sit ups push ups plank after this.
I usually finish with 5k on the treadmill alternating the speed usuall have this done in 20 mins
Cool down
Shower
Home
Need to loose a stone or two.
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Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 13, 2016, 10:30:06 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 13, 2016, 10:19:47 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 13, 2016, 09:40:43 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 13, 2016, 07:13:54 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 13, 2016, 05:15:29 PM
TRX, very little practical application in the real world of fitness or sport
best exercises are pulling and pushing a bar with weight with lots of mobility work
eg squat, snatch, deadlift, cleans, high pulls, pull ups, overhead press, high pull deadlift
along with resisted core exercises
Whereas there are "real world applications" of squats etc? What a preposterous statement. It's all just strength training - with suspension training you can make it as difficult or as easy as you want depending on the angle you work at it. It'll also engage your core far more than any compound weight exercise
when you squat under a bar you use most muscle groups in the body
it improves knee, ankle and hip mobility
my point was that TRX is grand, to be good at TRX.
you don't play sports or use straps in everyday activities.
if you ever do a strength and conditioning qualification, show me the section where they cover TRX stuff
To the contrary, it does the exact opposite of improve mobility, hence why so many people, including me, pay particular attention to doing mobility activity in conjunction with a weight programme. Doing compound weight movements is great for strength training and building muscle. There are other exercises that can provide strength gain benefits in addition to mobility/agility etc
One of your suggestions was snatching - for anyone other than a competitive weight or powerlifter, there's absolutely no reason to do snatches. It's downright dangerous for untrained or poorly trained people.
that is laughable
snatch is one of best exercises for mobility and power eg all GAA players and sports people in general
if a county team at this stage are not doing snatches and power cleans etc then they are 10 years behind in their S&C thinking
squats are only one part of weight training
if squats are causing tightness, it is due to poor programming.
Most exercises in the gym should be squat or deadlift based
Including people with cam or pincer head deformities?
No. I'm afraid not.
Those conditions are complex and require specific medical attention
Quote from: Hereiam on January 13, 2016, 10:51:27 PM
My Gym session would be something lime this
Stretches
5mins on threadmill to get the bloid flowing
Bench press
60kg x 10
x 9
x8
Etc
When i get down to 5 i start to add more weight until the last lift is 90kg. Will keep building this
Between each set of reps i do 10 each of chin ups leg curls squats etc
Do some arm curls sit ups push ups plank after this.
I usually finish with 5k on the treadmill alternating the speed usuall have this done in 20 mins
Cool down
Shower
Home
Need to loose a stone or two.
After doing all that you still manage over 3 miles in 20 mins! Fair play
The meat heads at the gym who hog the squat, leg machines and benches don't have the ability to bend over and tie their laces!!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 13, 2016, 11:00:58 PM
The meat heads at the gym who hog the squat, leg machines and benches don't have the ability to bend over and tie their laces!!
olympic weightlifters are some of the most flexible sportspeople around. they have to be to generate that much speed and power
the only machine you should use in a gym is the shower or coffee machine. treadmills should be thrown out. I could tolerate a rowing machine
lads who are in the gym to 'bulk' up are generally doing it for aesthetic reasons, not sporting.
the only reason to use benches, is to sit on them or do the likes of single leg squats, or split squats as corrective exercises.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 13, 2016, 11:00:58 PM
The meat heads at the gym who hog the squat, leg machines and benches don't have the ability to bend over and tie their laces!!
olympic weightlifters are some of the most flexible sportspeople around. they have to be to generate that much speed and power
the only machine you should use in a gym is the shower or coffee machine. treadmills should be thrown out. I could tolerate a rowing machine
lads who are in the gym to 'bulk' up are generally doing it for aesthetic reasons, not sporting.
the only reason to use benches, is to sit on them or do the likes of single leg squats, or split squats as corrective exercises.
Gyms are what you make them, for you.... I use two machines at the gym, spin bike and the Stairmaster, if you do any cardio then if you use these right then you'll see great benefit. for me its about keeping fit for triathlons or 10K or half marathon's.... My hurling and football days are done ... I'm of the opinion that lifting big weights will do you an injury as fatigue will play apart at some stage and end up lifting it wrong!!
Plus the classes I go to are full of women so its a win win 😊
This stigma of squats and deadlifts etc not being for the normal fella just looking to do abit or whatever really needs to be tackled. Squatting and deadlifting are just about the two most natural things you can do. Most beneficial and all round essential to mobility and so much more. To all the people "just looking to lose weight" who insist on avoiding weight training, your methods fly in the face of all modern research. Do yourselves a favour and try it
Milltown i get what you are saying
I am in the same boat my football days are over and i haven't kick a ball in 3 yrs. I work in an office and spend a lot of time siting down which i don't like and have put on a bit of weight due to this and getting into bad eating habits. I ran a 5k race before Christmas and my fitness would be at an all time low.
I do some farming as well and have start to notice that my arms cramp up a lot quicker than they used to and this is the reason why i am doing some weights.
Getting older is a pain in the ass.
Quote from: Hereiam on January 14, 2016, 10:05:37 AM
Milltown i get what you are saying
I am in the same boat my football days are over and i haven't kick a ball in 3 yrs. I work in an office and spend a lot of time siting down which i don't like and have put on a bit of weight due to this and getting into bad eating habits. I ran a 5k race before Christmas and my fitness would be at an all time low.
I do some farming as well and have start to notice that my arms cramp up a lot quicker than they used to and this is the reason why i am doing some weights.
Getting older is a pain in the ass.
Best exercises to counteract the sitting posture are snatches, deadlifts and pull ups.
A decent base of strength training will minimise injuries and improve running endurance
Anyone interested in sports performance there are 3 different articles on STACK.COM at the minute outlining a yearly routine for sports athletes. There is one on strength, conditioning and I think speed and agility.
Here is the strength one: http://www.stack.com/a/the-complete-athlete-1-year-workout-plan-strength-training-phase
Probably for folk that know a bit about lifting and have good experience already. Worth mulling over at least if you like this sort of thing.
The biggest thing you can do to counter sitting all day is stretch your hip flexors. Sitting shortens your hip flexors so if you sit loads then unless you stretch they will shorten.
Shortened hip flexors = bad posture.
Those and upper back stretches.
Those strength exercises on top of that obviously as sitting also kills your glutes.
IMO Any program no matter how basic should incorporate squatting and deadlifting of some form and a pushing and pulling for upper body.
And lots of flexibility and mobility work as TommyG mentions above.
Don't neglect sprinting and skills tho if you wanna play sports!
IMG be interested in what I can and cannot do with a strained hip flexor.
I've been training pretty well of late - cardio/circuit class and dont want this hip flexor issue to set me back!
Should I stick to upper body weights until it settles down?
Again sitting at a desk all day probably doesnt help.
Been doing Pilates and strength/balance classes for about year and half now.... The flexibility I have now compared to before starting is startling .... Hip flexor exercises very important.....
On the topic of dead lift's snatching and other heavier lifting, I've yet (4 half years at this gym) seen one bodybuilder do any stretching.... Plenty grunting but they head straight out and check their guns out at the mirror and shake those protein drinks !!
Each to their own I suppose, I wish I could have done this years ago!! I was lucky enough that I never put weight on (over Xmas though 😞)
Walter, go to Pilates or strength/balance classes, plenty to work on hip flexors
Hip flexors are a curse
Look at foam rolling and mobility exercises for the hips.
Also activation exercises for the flutes.
When your glutes are weak and lazy (most people) your other muscles are overworked and leads to tightness and injury
Spending a small sum of money to get a proper S&C program done up is worth it in the long run
I would also make sure any S&C coach you see is either A) CSCS or B)UKSCA certified.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 14, 2016, 12:12:59 PM
Also activation exercises for the flutes.
Laoislad was talking about that in a different thread and a weekend trip to Amsterdam
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2016, 12:06:13 PM
Been doing Pilates and strength/balance classes for about year and half now.... The flexibility I have now compared to before starting is startling .... Hip flexor exercises very important.....
On the topic of dead lift's snatching and other heavier lifting, I've yet (4 half years at this gym) seen one bodybuilder do any stretching.... Plenty grunting but they head straight out and check their guns out at the mirror and shake those protein drinks !!
Each to their own I suppose, I wish I could have done this years ago!! I was lucky enough that I never put weight on (over Xmas though 😞)
Walter, go to Pilates or strength/balance classes, plenty to work on hip flexors
Will do MR2. Any advice on keeping fit with this type of niggly injury?
Swimming Walter.....
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2016, 12:06:13 PM
Been doing Pilates and strength/balance classes for about year and half now.... The flexibility I have now compared to before starting is startling .... Hip flexor exercises very important.....
On the topic of dead lift's snatching and other heavier lifting, I've yet (4 half years at this gym) seen one bodybuilder do any stretching.... Plenty grunting but they head straight out and check their guns out at the mirror and shake those protein drinks !!
Each to their own I suppose, I wish I could have done this years ago!! I was lucky enough that I never put weight on (over Xmas though 😞)
Walter, go to Pilates or strength/balance classes, plenty to work on hip flexors
weightlifting and bodybuilding are two completely different things.
go to an olympic weightlifting club and half of a training session is spent on corrective exercises and mobility exercises for shoulders, hips, wrists, ankles
I do a lot of squatting, deadlifting, snatches, clean and jerks.
never been freer in my movements or fitter. In fact, in 5/6 years of proper strength training I've never had an injury due to a pulled muscle or strain.
this idea that weightlifting makes you big, bulky and immobile is the opposite to what I have experienced and seen in practice.
it all comes down to the programming, volume, balance of push vs pull (general ratio of 1:2), deloading etc
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2016, 12:06:13 PM
Been doing Pilates and strength/balance classes for about year and half now.... The flexibility I have now compared to before starting is startling .... Hip flexor exercises very important.....
On the topic of dead lift's snatching and other heavier lifting, I've yet (4 half years at this gym) seen one bodybuilder do any stretching.... Plenty grunting but they head straight out and check their guns out at the mirror and shake those protein drinks !!
Each to their own I suppose, I wish I could have done this years ago!! I was lucky enough that I never put weight on (over Xmas though 😞)
Walter, go to Pilates or strength/balance classes, plenty to work on hip flexors
weightlifting and bodybuilding are two completely different things.
go to an olympic weightlifting club and half of a training session is spent on corrective exercises and mobility exercises for shoulders, hips, wrists, ankles
I do a lot of squatting, deadlifting, snatches, clean and jerks.
never been freer in my movements or fitter. In fact, in 5/6 years of proper strength training I've never had an injury due to a pulled muscle or strain.
this idea that weightlifting makes you big, bulky and immobile is the opposite to what I have experienced and seen in practice.
it all comes down to the programming, volume, balance of push vs pull (general ratio of 1:2), deloading etc
Not many Olympic athletes at weight lifting from Norn Iron..... My next door neighbour years ago represented Ireland or northern Ireland at many games.... They were done after the first set of rounds... He partied the rest of the weeks there though!!
In fairness Cookie was always in great shape
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Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 13, 2016, 05:15:29 PM
TRX, very little practical application in the real world of fitness or sport
best exercises are pulling and pushing a bar with weight with lots of mobility work
eg squat, snatch, deadlift, cleans, high pulls, pull ups, overhead press, high pull deadlift
along with resisted core exercises
Whereas there are "real world applications" of squats etc? What a preposterous statement. It's all just strength training - with suspension training you can make it as difficult or as easy as you want depending on the angle you work at it. It'll also engage your core far more than any compound weight exercise
when you squat under a bar you use most muscle groups in the body
it improves knee, ankle and hip mobility
my point was that TRX is grand, to be good at TRX.
you don't play sports or use straps in everyday activities.
if you ever do a strength and conditioning qualification, show me the section where they cover TRX stuff
To the contrary, it does the exact opposite of improve mobility, hence why so many people, including me, pay particular attention to doing mobility activity in conjunction with a weight programme. Doing compound weight movements is great for strength training and building muscle. There are other exercises that can provide strength gain benefits in addition to mobility/agility etc
One of your suggestions was snatching - for anyone other than a competitive weight or powerlifter, there's absolutely no reason to do snatches. It's downright dangerous for untrained or poorly trained people.
that is laughable
snatch is one of best exercises for mobility and power eg all GAA players and sports people in general
if a county team at this stage are not doing snatches and power cleans etc then they are 10 years behind in their S&C thinking
squats are only one part of weight training
if squats are causing tightness, it is due to poor programming.
Most exercises in the gym should be squat or deadlift based
Rubbish it all depends on the functional screening of the individual. Gym programmes are individual - not generic. I'm glad you're not training any of my teams in S&C
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Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 13, 2016, 05:15:29 PM
TRX, very little practical application in the real world of fitness or sport
best exercises are pulling and pushing a bar with weight with lots of mobility work
eg squat, snatch, deadlift, cleans, high pulls, pull ups, overhead press, high pull deadlift
along with resisted core exercises
Whereas there are "real world applications" of squats etc? What a preposterous statement. It's all just strength training - with suspension training you can make it as difficult or as easy as you want depending on the angle you work at it. It'll also engage your core far more than any compound weight exercise
when you squat under a bar you use most muscle groups in the body
it improves knee, ankle and hip mobility
my point was that TRX is grand, to be good at TRX.
you don't play sports or use straps in everyday activities.
if you ever do a strength and conditioning qualification, show me the section where they cover TRX stuff
To the contrary, it does the exact opposite of improve mobility, hence why so many people, including me, pay particular attention to doing mobility activity in conjunction with a weight programme. Doing compound weight movements is great for strength training and building muscle. There are other exercises that can provide strength gain benefits in addition to mobility/agility etc
One of your suggestions was snatching - for anyone other than a competitive weight or powerlifter, there's absolutely no reason to do snatches. It's downright dangerous for untrained or poorly trained people.
that is laughable
snatch is one of best exercises for mobility and power eg all GAA players and sports people in general
if a county team at this stage are not doing snatches and power cleans etc then they are 10 years behind in their S&C thinking
squats are only one part of weight training
if squats are causing tightness, it is due to poor programming.
Most exercises in the gym should be squat or deadlift based
Rubbish it all depends on the functional screening of the individual. Gym programmes are individual - not generic. I'm glad you're not training any of my teams in S&C
functional screening. yeah. great stuff.
most GAA players have generic issues
far too much made about functional screening imho. it's a tool, amongst many others.
yes, training groups can be introduced for certain issues and imbalances, but generally the lads on a GAA panel will have a lot of similar issues.
time spent on olympic lifting skills is time very well spent
the All Blacks do a LOT of olympic movements. I think they know what they are doing
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 14, 2016, 10:12:09 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on January 14, 2016, 08:42:48 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 13, 2016, 10:30:06 PM
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Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 13, 2016, 09:40:43 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 13, 2016, 07:13:54 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 13, 2016, 05:15:29 PM
TRX, very little practical application in the real world of fitness or sport
best exercises are pulling and pushing a bar with weight with lots of mobility work
eg squat, snatch, deadlift, cleans, high pulls, pull ups, overhead press, high pull deadlift
along with resisted core exercises
Whereas there are "real world applications" of squats etc? What a preposterous statement. It's all just strength training - with suspension training you can make it as difficult or as easy as you want depending on the angle you work at it. It'll also engage your core far more than any compound weight exercise
when you squat under a bar you use most muscle groups in the body
it improves knee, ankle and hip mobility
my point was that TRX is grand, to be good at TRX.
you don't play sports or use straps in everyday activities.
if you ever do a strength and conditioning qualification, show me the section where they cover TRX stuff
To the contrary, it does the exact opposite of improve mobility, hence why so many people, including me, pay particular attention to doing mobility activity in conjunction with a weight programme. Doing compound weight movements is great for strength training and building muscle. There are other exercises that can provide strength gain benefits in addition to mobility/agility etc
One of your suggestions was snatching - for anyone other than a competitive weight or powerlifter, there's absolutely no reason to do snatches. It's downright dangerous for untrained or poorly trained people.
that is laughable
snatch is one of best exercises for mobility and power eg all GAA players and sports people in general
if a county team at this stage are not doing snatches and power cleans etc then they are 10 years behind in their S&C thinking
squats are only one part of weight training
if squats are causing tightness, it is due to poor programming.
Most exercises in the gym should be squat or deadlift based
Rubbish it all depends on the functional screening of the individual. Gym programmes are individual - not generic. I'm glad you're not training any of my teams in S&C
functional screening. yeah. great stuff.
most GAA players have generic issues
far too much made about functional screening imho. it's a tool, amongst many others.
yes, training groups can be introduced for certain issues and imbalances, but generally the lads on a GAA panel will have a lot of similar issues.
time spent on olympic lifting skills is time very well spent
the All Blacks do a LOT of olympic movements. I think they know what they are doing
Is this amateur hour here? Yeah do olympic lifts with an undiagnosed functional imbalance in your body and see how much you spend on physio bills.
Olympic lifts are not the only way to get powerful. If you are functionally balanced they are very good exercises. However they can replaced by other exercises that are just as good that don't require expert lifting technique.
Quote from: INDIANA on January 14, 2016, 10:15:41 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 14, 2016, 10:12:09 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on January 14, 2016, 08:42:48 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 13, 2016, 10:30:06 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 13, 2016, 10:19:47 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 13, 2016, 09:40:43 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 13, 2016, 07:13:54 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 13, 2016, 05:15:29 PM
TRX, very little practical application in the real world of fitness or sport
best exercises are pulling and pushing a bar with weight with lots of mobility work
eg squat, snatch, deadlift, cleans, high pulls, pull ups, overhead press, high pull deadlift
along with resisted core exercises
Whereas there are "real world applications" of squats etc? What a preposterous statement. It's all just strength training - with suspension training you can make it as difficult or as easy as you want depending on the angle you work at it. It'll also engage your core far more than any compound weight exercise
when you squat under a bar you use most muscle groups in the body
it improves knee, ankle and hip mobility
my point was that TRX is grand, to be good at TRX.
you don't play sports or use straps in everyday activities.
if you ever do a strength and conditioning qualification, show me the section where they cover TRX stuff
To the contrary, it does the exact opposite of improve mobility, hence why so many people, including me, pay particular attention to doing mobility activity in conjunction with a weight programme. Doing compound weight movements is great for strength training and building muscle. There are other exercises that can provide strength gain benefits in addition to mobility/agility etc
One of your suggestions was snatching - for anyone other than a competitive weight or powerlifter, there's absolutely no reason to do snatches. It's downright dangerous for untrained or poorly trained people.
that is laughable
snatch is one of best exercises for mobility and power eg all GAA players and sports people in general
if a county team at this stage are not doing snatches and power cleans etc then they are 10 years behind in their S&C thinking
squats are only one part of weight training
if squats are causing tightness, it is due to poor programming.
Most exercises in the gym should be squat or deadlift based
Rubbish it all depends on the functional screening of the individual. Gym programmes are individual - not generic. I'm glad you're not training any of my teams in S&C
functional screening. yeah. great stuff.
most GAA players have generic issues
far too much made about functional screening imho. it's a tool, amongst many others.
yes, training groups can be introduced for certain issues and imbalances, but generally the lads on a GAA panel will have a lot of similar issues.
time spent on olympic lifting skills is time very well spent
the All Blacks do a LOT of olympic movements. I think they know what they are doing
Is this amateur hour here? Yeah do olympic lifts with an undiagnosed functional imbalance in your body and see how much you spend on physio bills.
Olympic lifts are not the only way to get powerful. If you are functionally balanced they are very good exercises. However they can replaced by other exercises that are just as good that don't require expert lifting technique.
they sure can!!
No point in teaching lads some new skills, that'd be dangerous. Nope. Feed them simple circuit exercises.
bodyweight, med balls throws and dumbbells pushes, pushing a sled, horizontal rows etc
keep up the intensity etc etc
Look said earlier.... Each to their own and get out of it what they want. I'll stand by what I said about the weight lifters/bodybuilders at my gym would have very limited flexibility and very poor cardio....
For me in my forties I am looking to stay fit and toned... And the classes I go to are great craic which changes the boring routine of.... Shoulders day, legs day, arms day, back day!!
Are you a PT?? They talk some shit!! I've never seen anyone keep to the task once they have reached their goal....they get bored and pile the weight back on
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 14, 2016, 10:24:36 PM
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Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 14, 2016, 10:12:09 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on January 14, 2016, 08:42:48 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 13, 2016, 10:30:06 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 13, 2016, 10:19:47 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 13, 2016, 09:40:43 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 13, 2016, 07:13:54 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 13, 2016, 05:15:29 PM
TRX, very little practical application in the real world of fitness or sport
best exercises are pulling and pushing a bar with weight with lots of mobility work
eg squat, snatch, deadlift, cleans, high pulls, pull ups, overhead press, high pull deadlift
along with resisted core exercises
Whereas there are "real world applications" of squats etc? What a preposterous statement. It's all just strength training - with suspension training you can make it as difficult or as easy as you want depending on the angle you work at it. It'll also engage your core far more than any compound weight exercise
when you squat under a bar you use most muscle groups in the body
it improves knee, ankle and hip mobility
my point was that TRX is grand, to be good at TRX.
you don't play sports or use straps in everyday activities.
if you ever do a strength and conditioning qualification, show me the section where they cover TRX stuff
To the contrary, it does the exact opposite of improve mobility, hence why so many people, including me, pay particular attention to doing mobility activity in conjunction with a weight programme. Doing compound weight movements is great for strength training and building muscle. There are other exercises that can provide strength gain benefits in addition to mobility/agility etc
One of your suggestions was snatching - for anyone other than a competitive weight or powerlifter, there's absolutely no reason to do snatches. It's downright dangerous for untrained or poorly trained people.
that is laughable
snatch is one of best exercises for mobility and power eg all GAA players and sports people in general
if a county team at this stage are not doing snatches and power cleans etc then they are 10 years behind in their S&C thinking
squats are only one part of weight training
if squats are causing tightness, it is due to poor programming.
Most exercises in the gym should be squat or deadlift based
Rubbish it all depends on the functional screening of the individual. Gym programmes are individual - not generic. I'm glad you're not training any of my teams in S&C
functional screening. yeah. great stuff.
most GAA players have generic issues
far too much made about functional screening imho. it's a tool, amongst many others.
yes, training groups can be introduced for certain issues and imbalances, but generally the lads on a GAA panel will have a lot of similar issues.
time spent on olympic lifting skills is time very well spent
the All Blacks do a LOT of olympic movements. I think they know what they are doing
Is this amateur hour here? Yeah do olympic lifts with an undiagnosed functional imbalance in your body and see how much you spend on physio bills.
Olympic lifts are not the only way to get powerful. If you are functionally balanced they are very good exercises. However they can replaced by other exercises that are just as good that don't require expert lifting technique.
they sure can!!
No point in teaching lads some new skills, that'd be dangerous. Nope. Feed them simple circuit exercises.
bodyweight, med balls throws and dumbbells pushes, pushing a sled, horizontal rows etc
keep up the intensity etc etc
I'd lay any odds you can't perform Olympic Lifts properly with perfect technique
Quote from: INDIANA on January 14, 2016, 10:29:56 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 14, 2016, 10:24:36 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on January 14, 2016, 10:15:41 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 14, 2016, 10:12:09 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on January 14, 2016, 08:42:48 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 13, 2016, 10:30:06 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 13, 2016, 10:19:47 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 13, 2016, 09:40:43 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 13, 2016, 07:13:54 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 13, 2016, 05:15:29 PM
TRX, very little practical application in the real world of fitness or sport
best exercises are pulling and pushing a bar with weight with lots of mobility work
eg squat, snatch, deadlift, cleans, high pulls, pull ups, overhead press, high pull deadlift
along with resisted core exercises
Whereas there are "real world applications" of squats etc? What a preposterous statement. It's all just strength training - with suspension training you can make it as difficult or as easy as you want depending on the angle you work at it. It'll also engage your core far more than any compound weight exercise
when you squat under a bar you use most muscle groups in the body
it improves knee, ankle and hip mobility
my point was that TRX is grand, to be good at TRX.
you don't play sports or use straps in everyday activities.
if you ever do a strength and conditioning qualification, show me the section where they cover TRX stuff
To the contrary, it does the exact opposite of improve mobility, hence why so many people, including me, pay particular attention to doing mobility activity in conjunction with a weight programme. Doing compound weight movements is great for strength training and building muscle. There are other exercises that can provide strength gain benefits in addition to mobility/agility etc
One of your suggestions was snatching - for anyone other than a competitive weight or powerlifter, there's absolutely no reason to do snatches. It's downright dangerous for untrained or poorly trained people.
that is laughable
snatch is one of best exercises for mobility and power eg all GAA players and sports people in general
if a county team at this stage are not doing snatches and power cleans etc then they are 10 years behind in their S&C thinking
squats are only one part of weight training
if squats are causing tightness, it is due to poor programming.
Most exercises in the gym should be squat or deadlift based
Rubbish it all depends on the functional screening of the individual. Gym programmes are individual - not generic. I'm glad you're not training any of my teams in S&C
functional screening. yeah. great stuff.
most GAA players have generic issues
far too much made about functional screening imho. it's a tool, amongst many others.
yes, training groups can be introduced for certain issues and imbalances, but generally the lads on a GAA panel will have a lot of similar issues.
time spent on olympic lifting skills is time very well spent
the All Blacks do a LOT of olympic movements. I think they know what they are doing
Is this amateur hour here? Yeah do olympic lifts with an undiagnosed functional imbalance in your body and see how much you spend on physio bills.
Olympic lifts are not the only way to get powerful. If you are functionally balanced they are very good exercises. However they can replaced by other exercises that are just as good that don't require expert lifting technique.
they sure can!!
No point in teaching lads some new skills, that'd be dangerous. Nope. Feed them simple circuit exercises.
bodyweight, med balls throws and dumbbells pushes, pushing a sled, horizontal rows etc
keep up the intensity etc etc
I'd lay any odds you can't perform Olympic Lifts properly with perfect technique
I'll lay odds you can't do crabs bend!! ;)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2016, 10:36:30 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on January 14, 2016, 10:29:56 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 14, 2016, 10:24:36 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on January 14, 2016, 10:15:41 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 14, 2016, 10:12:09 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on January 14, 2016, 08:42:48 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 13, 2016, 10:30:06 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 13, 2016, 10:19:47 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 13, 2016, 09:40:43 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 13, 2016, 07:13:54 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 13, 2016, 05:15:29 PM
TRX, very little practical application in the real world of fitness or sport
best exercises are pulling and pushing a bar with weight with lots of mobility work
eg squat, snatch, deadlift, cleans, high pulls, pull ups, overhead press, high pull deadlift
along with resisted core exercises
Whereas there are "real world applications" of squats etc? What a preposterous statement. It's all just strength training - with suspension training you can make it as difficult or as easy as you want depending on the angle you work at it. It'll also engage your core far more than any compound weight exercise
when you squat under a bar you use most muscle groups in the body
it improves knee, ankle and hip mobility
my point was that TRX is grand, to be good at TRX.
you don't play sports or use straps in everyday activities.
if you ever do a strength and conditioning qualification, show me the section where they cover TRX stuff
To the contrary, it does the exact opposite of improve mobility, hence why so many people, including me, pay particular attention to doing mobility activity in conjunction with a weight programme. Doing compound weight movements is great for strength training and building muscle. There are other exercises that can provide strength gain benefits in addition to mobility/agility etc
One of your suggestions was snatching - for anyone other than a competitive weight or powerlifter, there's absolutely no reason to do snatches. It's downright dangerous for untrained or poorly trained people.
that is laughable
snatch is one of best exercises for mobility and power eg all GAA players and sports people in general
if a county team at this stage are not doing snatches and power cleans etc then they are 10 years behind in their S&C thinking
squats are only one part of weight training
if squats are causing tightness, it is due to poor programming.
Most exercises in the gym should be squat or deadlift based
Rubbish it all depends on the functional screening of the individual. Gym programmes are individual - not generic. I'm glad you're not training any of my teams in S&C
functional screening. yeah. great stuff.
most GAA players have generic issues
far too much made about functional screening imho. it's a tool, amongst many others.
yes, training groups can be introduced for certain issues and imbalances, but generally the lads on a GAA panel will have a lot of similar issues.
time spent on olympic lifting skills is time very well spent
the All Blacks do a LOT of olympic movements. I think they know what they are doing
Is this amateur hour here? Yeah do olympic lifts with an undiagnosed functional imbalance in your body and see how much you spend on physio bills.
Olympic lifts are not the only way to get powerful. If you are functionally balanced they are very good exercises. However they can replaced by other exercises that are just as good that don't require expert lifting technique.
they sure can!!
No point in teaching lads some new skills, that'd be dangerous. Nope. Feed them simple circuit exercises.
bodyweight, med balls throws and dumbbells pushes, pushing a sled, horizontal rows etc
keep up the intensity etc etc
I'd lay any odds you can't perform Olympic Lifts properly with perfect technique
I'll lay odds you can't do crabs bend!! ;)
;D- at my age I don't think so!
I won't pretend to be a guru but what (little) I do know is that it is vitally important to build up a good level of strength using compound movements - for example 1.5xBW for squat, BW bench, etc is a good target. Olympic lifts then help to express this strength in a show of explosive power. They undoubtedly have great benefits for sports however they are difficult to learn and performed badly lead to injury. Full snatches and cleans for example have little crossover to football. A high snatch pull or power clean might be better. Again I feel a good level of strength must be built up (with focus on form and full range of movement rather than rushing to lift big weights poorly)and then other power exercises like box jumps, med ball slams and sprints can help develop your power. For power Reps should be kept low, recovery plentiful and effort high on each rep.
Body builders are an entirely different kettle of fish. Training for Aesthetics is not the same as training for sports performance.
Quote from: outinfront on January 15, 2016, 10:46:58 AM
I won't pretend to be a guru but what (little) I do know is that it is vitally important to build up a good level of strength using compound movements - for example 1.5xBW for squat, BW bench, etc is a good target. Olympic lifts then help to express this strength in a show of explosive power. They undoubtedly have great benefits for sports however they are difficult to learn and performed badly lead to injury. Full snatches and cleans for example have little crossover to football. A high snatch pull or power clean might be better. Again I feel a good level of strength must be built up (with focus on form and full range of movement rather than rushing to lift big weights poorly)and then other power exercises like box jumps, med ball slams and sprints can help develop your power. For power Reps should be kept low, recovery plentiful and effort high on each rep.
Body builders are an entirely different kettle of fish. Training for Aesthetics is not the same as training for sports performance.
+1
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on January 15, 2016, 10:56:55 AM
Quote from: outinfront on January 15, 2016, 10:46:58 AM
I won't pretend to be a guru but what (little) I do know is that it is vitally important to build up a good level of strength using compound movements - for example 1.5xBW for squat, BW bench, etc is a good target. Olympic lifts then help to express this strength in a show of explosive power. They undoubtedly have great benefits for sports however they are difficult to learn and performed badly lead to injury. Full snatches and cleans for example have little crossover to football. A high snatch pull or power clean might be better. Again I feel a good level of strength must be built up (with focus on form and full range of movement rather than rushing to lift big weights poorly)and then other power exercises like box jumps, med ball slams and sprints can help develop your power. For power Reps should be kept low, recovery plentiful and effort high on each rep.
Body builders are an entirely different kettle of fish. Training for Aesthetics is not the same as training for sports performance.
+1
These BW targets you gave above - what sort of numbers rep wise would you see as a good level for squat and bench...or is it 1 rep max you refer to ??
1 rep targets:
1.5xBW Squat
BW Bench
0.75BW overhead press
1.75xBW Deadlift
Good starting point for a decent level of strength. For some this may seem not a lot but I guarantee the amount of people that can't reach these targets is plentiful. Progress should be slow and form good. Never rush to lift what you can't!
I'd snatch around 50kg, but just for the craic
anyway, getting back to it...
benching is a waste of time, and a very poor indicator of overall strength
now, overhead strict press. There is a great test of upper body strength.
Quote from: outinfront on January 15, 2016, 11:41:41 AM
1 rep targets:
1.5xBW Squat
BW Bench
0.75BW overhead press
1.75xBW Deadlift
Good starting point for a decent level of strength. For some this may seem not a lot but I guarantee the amount of people that can't reach these targets is plentiful. Progress should be slow and form good. Never rush to lift what you can't!
Could do all those except the deadlift... I have some kind of weakness in my back which throws me out at around the 130kg mark (Weigh 90Kgs currently).
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 15, 2016, 12:16:45 PM
I'd snatch around 50kg, but just for the craic
anyway, getting back to it...
benching is a waste of time, and a very poor indicator of overall strength
now, overhead strict press. There is a great test of upper body strength.
After all your passionate eulogizing about snatches etc, you can only snatch 50kg?! Not very strong, are you?
Quote from: gallsman on January 15, 2016, 02:13:41 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 15, 2016, 12:16:45 PM
I'd snatch around 50kg, but just for the craic
anyway, getting back to it...
benching is a waste of time, and a very poor indicator of overall strength
now, overhead strict press. There is a great test of upper body strength.
After all your passionate eulogizing about snatches etc, you can only snatch 50kg?! Not very strong, are you?
That's the kind of thing people say that always put me off going to the gym.
Quote from: oakleaflad on January 15, 2016, 02:37:31 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 15, 2016, 02:13:41 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 15, 2016, 12:16:45 PM
I'd snatch around 50kg, but just for the craic
anyway, getting back to it...
benching is a waste of time, and a very poor indicator of overall strength
now, overhead strict press. There is a great test of upper body strength.
After all your passionate eulogizing about snatches etc, you can only snatch 50kg?! Not very strong, are you?
That's the kind of thing people say that always put me off going to the gym.
If you read the thread, maybe you'd have worked out that it was firmly tongue in cheek.
Quote from: oakleaflad on January 15, 2016, 02:37:31 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 15, 2016, 02:13:41 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 15, 2016, 12:16:45 PM
I'd snatch around 50kg, but just for the craic
anyway, getting back to it...
benching is a waste of time, and a very poor indicator of overall strength
now, overhead strict press. There is a great test of upper body strength.
After all your passionate eulogizing about snatches etc, you can only snatch 50kg?! Not very strong, are you?
That's the kind of thing people say that always put me off going to the gym.
Tighten up to f**k!!
Quote from: screenexile on January 15, 2016, 02:42:33 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on January 15, 2016, 02:37:31 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 15, 2016, 02:13:41 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 15, 2016, 12:16:45 PM
I'd snatch around 50kg, but just for the craic
anyway, getting back to it...
benching is a waste of time, and a very poor indicator of overall strength
now, overhead strict press. There is a great test of upper body strength.
After all your passionate eulogizing about snatches etc, you can only snatch 50kg?! Not very strong, are you?
That's the kind of thing people say that always put me off going to the gym.
Tighten up to f**k!!
http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2016/01/13/gym-guy-to-work-on-burying-insecurities-a-little-deeper-down-today/
Note: I'm actually a big fan of the gym when done correctly...movement is medicine !
Quote from: outinfront on January 15, 2016, 11:41:41 AM
1 rep targets:
1.5xBW Squat
BW Bench
0.75BW overhead press
1.75xBW Deadlift
Good starting point for a decent level of strength. For some this may seem not a lot but I guarantee the amount of people that can't reach these targets is plentiful. Progress should be slow and form good. Never rush to lift what you can't!
Are you talking about the general public or specifically a GAA player?
I would reckon most GAA players would lift those target weights fairly comfortably.
I reckon the following would indicate a good level of strength for a GAA player for a 1 rep max;
1.75xBW Squat
1.5xBW Bench
BW overhead press
2xBW Deadlift
Quote from: doodaa on January 15, 2016, 02:48:21 PM
Quote from: outinfront on January 15, 2016, 11:41:41 AM
1 rep targets:
1.5xBW Squat
BW Bench
0.75BW overhead press
1.75xBW Deadlift
Good starting point for a decent level of strength. For some this may seem not a lot but I guarantee the amount of people that can't reach these targets is plentiful. Progress should be slow and form good. Never rush to lift what you can't!
Are you talking about the general public or specifically a GAA player?
I would reckon most GAA players would lift those target weights easily.
I reckon the following would indicate a good level of strength for a GAA player for a 1 rep max;
1.75xBW Squat
1.5xBW Bench
BW overhead press
2xBW Deadlift
That would surprise me massively, unless it's a push press and there's momentum from the legs going into it. Maybe a lot of IC players with S&C programs and free access to good gyms maybe, but I doubt your average left half back on the club team could lift that at all.
Quote from: ballinaman on January 15, 2016, 02:43:40 PM
Quote from: screenexile on January 15, 2016, 02:42:33 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on January 15, 2016, 02:37:31 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 15, 2016, 02:13:41 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 15, 2016, 12:16:45 PM
I'd snatch around 50kg, but just for the craic
anyway, getting back to it...
benching is a waste of time, and a very poor indicator of overall strength
now, overhead strict press. There is a great test of upper body strength.
After all your passionate eulogizing about snatches etc, you can only snatch 50kg?! Not very strong, are you?
That's the kind of thing people say that always put me off going to the gym.
Tighten up to f**k!!
http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2016/01/13/gym-guy-to-work-on-burying-insecurities-a-little-deeper-down-today/
Note: I'm actually a big fan of the gym when done correctly...movement is medicine !
Very good.
Also like this one.
http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2016/01/07/f**king-hero-out-running-in-the-rain/
Quote from: gallsman on January 15, 2016, 02:51:34 PM
Quote from: doodaa on January 15, 2016, 02:48:21 PM
Quote from: outinfront on January 15, 2016, 11:41:41 AM
1 rep targets:
1.5xBW Squat
BW Bench
0.75BW overhead press
1.75xBW Deadlift
Good starting point for a decent level of strength. For some this may seem not a lot but I guarantee the amount of people that can't reach these targets is plentiful. Progress should be slow and form good. Never rush to lift what you can't!
Are you talking about the general public or specifically a GAA player?
I would reckon most GAA players would lift those target weights easily.
I reckon the following would indicate a good level of strength for a GAA player for a 1 rep max;
1.75xBW Squat
1.5xBW Bench
BW overhead press
2xBW Deadlift
That would surprise me massively, unless it's a push press and there's momentum from the legs going into it. Maybe a lot of IC players with S&C programs and free access to good gyms maybe, but I doubt your average left half back on the club team could lift that at all.
Yeah I wasn't sure about that one. I assumed it was a push press with a bit of momentum in the legs as even 0.75xBW with no leg push would be tight enough going.
I was talking about what would be considered a general 'decent' level of strength. Not necessarily a committed club player who has been following programs for a while.
You would be amazed how many people can't muster a pull up as well.
Quote from: outinfront on January 15, 2016, 03:23:37 PM
I was talking about what would be considered a general 'decent' level of strength. Not necessarily a committed club player who has been following programs for a while.
You would be amazed how many people can't muster a pull up as well.
I would say:
Bench: 1.25xBW
Squat: 1.5xBW
DL: 1.75xBW
If you can do that, I'd wager you're comfortably ahead of most of the population.
as I said, 50kg snatch for the craic. I use it as a warm up tool, speed/power training and also to keep the hip and shoulders mobile.
I don't really need to snatch heavier
I don't like to use those strength comparisons.
And benching is really the last thing a GAA player should be doing
it should be mainly deadlift, pull ups, overhead pressing of some sort and squat based
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 15, 2016, 04:21:14 PM
as I said, 50kg snatch for the craic. I use it as a warm up tool, speed/power training and also to keep the hip and shoulders mobile.
I don't really need to snatch heavier
I don't like to use those strength comparisons.
And benching is really the last thing a GAA player should be doing
it should be mainly deadlift, pull ups, overhead pressing of some sort and squat based
The ultimate test of manliness though.
You said it Tony
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 15, 2016, 04:26:54 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 15, 2016, 04:21:14 PM
as I said, 50kg snatch for the craic. I use it as a warm up tool, speed/power training and also to keep the hip and shoulders mobile.
I don't really need to snatch heavier
I don't like to use those strength comparisons.
And benching is really the last thing a GAA player should be doing
it should be mainly deadlift, pull ups, overhead pressing of some sort and squat based
The ultimate test of manliness though.
Nah, squat is far more manly.
Quote from: gallsman on January 15, 2016, 04:43:26 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 15, 2016, 04:26:54 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 15, 2016, 04:21:14 PM
as I said, 50kg snatch for the craic. I use it as a warm up tool, speed/power training and also to keep the hip and shoulders mobile.
I don't really need to snatch heavier
I don't like to use those strength comparisons.
And benching is really the last thing a GAA player should be doing
it should be mainly deadlift, pull ups, overhead pressing of some sort and squat based
The ultimate test of manliness though.
Nah, squat is far more manly.
I love the squat part of pump... Great positioning and good eye contact makes it an unbelievable experience ;D
I love it when the big guys come up to do pump the odd time!! Busted and technique goes out the window when they struggle with low weights and high reps!!
Arse to the floor, or gtfoh
Quote from: gallsman on January 15, 2016, 03:39:22 PM
Quote from: outinfront on January 15, 2016, 03:23:37 PM
I was talking about what would be considered a general 'decent' level of strength. Not necessarily a committed club player who has been following programs for a while.
You would be amazed how many people can't muster a pull up as well.
I would say:
Bench: 1.25xBW
Squat: 1.5xBW
DL: 1.75xBW
If you can do that, I'd wager you're comfortably ahead of most of the population.
An average GAA male in terms of body weight - lets say 70kg
Bench press roughly 90kg
Squat 110kg
Deadlift 135kg
The squat target is realistic .the other two are bullshit.
Let's leave the gym steroid heads out of it and talk purely about field athletes
There are very few people outside elite athletes who would bench press above 90kg consistently never mind deadlift 130kgs.
Plus the fact that you can lift that much doesn't always equate to power. Some it does - others not so.
You're looking for fast movements combined with the correct plyometric exercises. In the right order.
Yeah, I'm 11 stone and I used to do 4 sets 8 of 70kg... Never in a million years could I manage another 20 on that!!! For bench pressing!!
Quote from: gallsman on January 15, 2016, 05:24:08 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 15, 2016, 04:58:59 PM
Arse to the floor, or gtfoh
More bullshit.
sure.
ability to go below parallel is a huge indicator of ankle and hip mobility
go and get a S&C qualification so
Quote from: INDIANA on January 15, 2016, 07:09:17 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 15, 2016, 03:39:22 PM
Quote from: outinfront on January 15, 2016, 03:23:37 PM
I was talking about what would be considered a general 'decent' level of strength. Not necessarily a committed club player who has been following programs for a while.
You would be amazed how many people can't muster a pull up as well.
I would say:
Bench: 1.25xBW
Squat: 1.5xBW
DL: 1.75xBW
If you can do that, I'd wager you're comfortably ahead of most of the population.
An average GAA male in terms of body weight - lets say 70kg
Bench press roughly 90kg
Squat 110kg
Deadlift 135kg
The squat target is realistic .the other two are bullshit.
Let's leave the gym steroid heads out of it and talk purely about field athletes
There are very few people outside elite athletes who would bench press above 90kg consistently never mind deadlift 130kgs.
Plus the fact that you can lift that much doesn't always equate to power. Some it does - others not so.
You're looking for fast movements combined with the correct plyometric exercises. In the right order.
For a start, if you think the average GAA male weighs 11st, i think you're a long way off but for e sake of argument, let's go with your 70kg. These are 1RM figures. Those are perfectly achievable targets at 70kg bodyweight.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 15, 2016, 07:47:55 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 15, 2016, 05:24:08 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 15, 2016, 04:58:59 PM
Arse to the floor, or gtfoh
More bullshit.
sure.
ability to go below parallel is a huge indicator of ankle and hip mobility
go and get a S&C qualification so
There's a difference between that and ass to grass.
Strength is just one element needed for sport or everyday life. I just put those numbers there as a ball park area for general discussion etc. I feel for someone ,even a player, starting out in strength training these numbers are simply a guide. I do feel the other weights talked about above are perfectly achievable for a player with an adequate level of experience and strength under their belt. But as I keep stating do not get carried away with numbers.
But if interested in how u match up have a look here: http://www.exrx.net/Testing/WeightLifting/StrengthStandards.html
Personally my favourite thing to do in the gym is squash!
Quote from: gallsman on January 15, 2016, 08:01:33 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 15, 2016, 07:47:55 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 15, 2016, 05:24:08 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 15, 2016, 04:58:59 PM
Arse to the floor, or gtfoh
More bullshit.
sure.
ability to go below parallel is a huge indicator of ankle and hip mobility
go and get a S&C qualification so
There's a difference between that and ass to grass.
If you cannot get someone to get into a deep squat position with or without a bar, then an awful lot of other stuff is kinda pointless.
I saw a top county hurler (from an AI semi finalist team in 2015) training in my gym before Xmas.
Huge squat lift, but no depth,
He couldn't do an overhead squat with just just a plastic pipe!
Quote from: gallsman on January 15, 2016, 08:00:37 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on January 15, 2016, 07:09:17 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 15, 2016, 03:39:22 PM
Quote from: outinfront on January 15, 2016, 03:23:37 PM
I was talking about what would be considered a general 'decent' level of strength. Not necessarily a committed club player who has been following programs for a while.
You would be amazed how many people can't muster a pull up as well.
I would say:
Bench: 1.25xBW
Squat: 1.5xBW
DL: 1.75xBW
If you can do that, I'd wager you're comfortably ahead of most of the population.
An average GAA male in terms of body weight - lets say 70kg
Bench press roughly 90kg
Squat 110kg
Deadlift 135kg
The squat target is realistic .the other two are bullshit.
Let's leave the gym steroid heads out of it and talk purely about field athletes
There are very few people outside elite athletes who would bench press above 90kg consistently never mind deadlift 130kgs.
Plus the fact that you can lift that much doesn't always equate to power. Some it does - others not so.
You're looking for fast movements combined with the correct plyometric exercises. In the right order.
For a start, if you think the average GAA male weighs 11st, i think you're a long way off but for e sake of argument, let's go with your 70kg. These are 1RM figures. Those are perfectly achievable targets at 70kg bodyweight.
I'm in a gym where some of the best current Gaelic Footballers in Ireland train- and the best up and coming ones. I see what they lift everyday - and most of them can't deadlift 130kgs with perfect technique. Some of these guys have All-stars and all ireland senior medals.
The squat of 110 is achievable.
technique is everything with Olympic lifts- I laugh watching some people say they can squat 100kgs. The fact is with correct technique they can barely do 70.
Its about power not weight for field sports like AFL and Gaelic Football.
Ask them to do extreme box jumps, jump and sticks on one leg , or better still properly executed pull ups. And most of them will fail
The question was about strength, not power, or the GAA so how much you bat your eyelids at Michael Darragh and the boys in the gym is really irrelevant. The numbers mentioned are perfectly feasible for the average Joe, in my opinion, and achievable with some basic coaching in technique and a sensible training programme. Disagree if you want, but if you're going to, maybe learn what Olympic lifting is before giving off about it...
training for GAA should be all about the transfer of strength into speed and power
sprint, jumping, landing and moving
without strength you have no speed or power.
If snatching isn't relevant to the GAA, then why is one of the principles of snatching (overhead squat) used as part of the Functional Screening tests used by most sports?
And also, I beat the squat and deadlift targets set here by gallsman quite comfortably. go me.
but not the bench. but that is because it is a pretty useless exercise for GAA sports.
Quote from: gallsman on January 15, 2016, 09:36:05 PM
The question was about strength, not power, or the GAA so how much you bat your eyelids at Michael Darragh and the boys in the gym is really irrelevant. The numbers mentioned are perfectly feasible for the average Joe, in my opinion, and achievable with some basic coaching in technique and a sensible training programme. Disagree if you want, but if you're going to, maybe learn what Olympic lifting is before giving off about it...
Look anything is achievable if you train for it. But to incorporating it into training for intercounty training and having a job and family is completely unrealistic.... You need to concentrate on a discipline and if that's your goal then fine.... But most people want fitness and have a bitta tone about them... Doing olympics lifting while in your forties plus (in my book) is silly.
Why players don't hone in on the basic skills and improve on the higher skills then the game would look better!! Gym monkeys are killing in and stopping players from having longer playing careers at the top!!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 15, 2016, 10:11:50 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 15, 2016, 09:36:05 PM
The question was about strength, not power, or the GAA so how much you bat your eyelids at Michael Darragh and the boys in the gym is really irrelevant. The numbers mentioned are perfectly feasible for the average Joe, in my opinion, and achievable with some basic coaching in technique and a sensible training programme. Disagree if you want, but if you're going to, maybe learn what Olympic lifting is before giving off about it...
Look anything is achievable if you train for it. But to incorporating it into training for intercounty training and having a job and family is completely unrealistic.... You need to concentrate on a discipline and if that's your goal then fine.... But most people want fitness and have a bitta tone about them... Doing olympics lifting while in your forties plus (in my book) is silly.
Why players don't hone in on the basic skills and improve on the higher skills then the game would look better!! Gym monkeys are killing in and stopping players from having longer playing careers at the top!!
that is not the case at all
if a fella who does olympic lifting meets a fella who is looking for some 'tone', I know who will be left on their arse
I would argue that a proper strength training program would keep a player able to play the game much longer and injury free (with sensible programming)
but overuse injuries are the biggest challenge
a big issue is the amount of idiots out there doing S&C programs with both clubs and county teams and players off doing their own thing without adequate knowledge of why they are doing the exercises
and that most players and coaches don't know when to just take a few days or a week off to let the body rest.
rest is a wonderful thing
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 15, 2016, 10:25:01 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 15, 2016, 10:11:50 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 15, 2016, 09:36:05 PM
The question was about strength, not power, or the GAA so how much you bat your eyelids at Michael Darragh and the boys in the gym is really irrelevant. The numbers mentioned are perfectly feasible for the average Joe, in my opinion, and achievable with some basic coaching in technique and a sensible training programme. Disagree if you want, but if you're going to, maybe learn what Olympic lifting is before giving off about it...
Look anything is achievable if you train for it. But to incorporating it into training for intercounty training and having a job and family is completely unrealistic.... You need to concentrate on a discipline and if that's your goal then fine.... But most people want fitness and have a bitta tone about them... Doing olympics lifting while in your forties plus (in my book) is silly.
Why players don't hone in on the basic skills and improve on the higher skills then the game would look better!! Gym monkeys are killing in and stopping players from having longer playing careers at the top!!
that is not the case at all
if a fella who does olympic lifting meets a fella who is looking for some 'tone', I know who will be left on their arse
I would argue that a proper strength training program would keep a player able to play the game much longer and injury free (with sensible programming)
but overuse injuries are the biggest challenge
a big issue is the amount of idiots out there doing S&C programs with both clubs and county teams and players off doing their own thing without adequate knowledge of why they are doing the exercises
and that most players and coaches don't know when to just take a few days or a week off to let the body rest.
rest is a wonderful thing
Its an amateur sport, a pastime if you like that people do...i feel there is too much emphasis on S&C .... My club won an All Ireland without S&C... Hard f**king slog , sweat and tears , a hint of skill and luck ... None of it done at the gym..
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 15, 2016, 11:17:55 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 15, 2016, 10:25:01 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 15, 2016, 10:11:50 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 15, 2016, 09:36:05 PM
The question was about strength, not power, or the GAA so how much you bat your eyelids at Michael Darragh and the boys in the gym is really irrelevant. The numbers mentioned are perfectly feasible for the average Joe, in my opinion, and achievable with some basic coaching in technique and a sensible training programme. Disagree if you want, but if you're going to, maybe learn what Olympic lifting is before giving off about it...
Look anything is achievable if you train for it. But to incorporating it into training for intercounty training and having a job and family is completely unrealistic.... You need to concentrate on a discipline and if that's your goal then fine.... But most people want fitness and have a bitta tone about them... Doing olympics lifting while in your forties plus (in my book) is silly.
Why players don't hone in on the basic skills and improve on the higher skills then the game would look better!! Gym monkeys are killing in and stopping players from having longer playing careers at the top!!
that is not the case at all
if a fella who does olympic lifting meets a fella who is looking for some 'tone', I know who will be left on their arse
I would argue that a proper strength training program would keep a player able to play the game much longer and injury free (with sensible programming)
but overuse injuries are the biggest challenge
a big issue is the amount of idiots out there doing S&C programs with both clubs and county teams and players off doing their own thing without adequate knowledge of why they are doing the exercises
and that most players and coaches don't know when to just take a few days or a week off to let the body rest.
rest is a wonderful thing
Its an amateur sport, a pastime if you like that people do...i feel there is too much emphasis on S&C .... My club won an All Ireland without S&C... Hard f**king slog , sweat and tears , a hint of skill and luck ... None of it done at the gym..
I agree about the amateur part, lads are free to walk away if they want.
However, it is a human condition to try and be the best you can be and seek every advantage that will you better than your opponent.
The way the rules have been framed and implemented in football its all about huge power and mobility around the field, in hurling means it is now all about large powerful players breaking the tackle
Think it also has to do with where you play on the pitch too, I think full-backs or anyone is the defensive half works would maybe work harder in the gym to have that bigger build so they have the strengh when it comes to the tackle.Your typical full forward line would be concentrating more on speed and skill although this is very stereotypical obviously.
There is arguments to be made for both sides but I think anyone now playing football at any sort of decent level needs to be doing some sort of strengh and conditioning or just working out in general in the gym.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 15, 2016, 11:17:55 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 15, 2016, 10:25:01 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 15, 2016, 10:11:50 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 15, 2016, 09:36:05 PM
The question was about strength, not power, or the GAA so how much you bat your eyelids at Michael Darragh and the boys in the gym is really irrelevant. The numbers mentioned are perfectly feasible for the average Joe, in my opinion, and achievable with some basic coaching in technique and a sensible training programme. Disagree if you want, but if you're going to, maybe learn what Olympic lifting is before giving off about it...
Look anything is achievable if you train for it. But to incorporating it into training for intercounty training and having a job and family is completely unrealistic.... You need to concentrate on a discipline and if that's your goal then fine.... But most people want fitness and have a bitta tone about them... Doing olympics lifting while in your forties plus (in my book) is silly.
Why players don't hone in on the basic skills and improve on the higher skills then the game would look better!! Gym monkeys are killing in and stopping players from having longer playing careers at the top!!
that is not the case at all
if a fella who does olympic lifting meets a fella who is looking for some 'tone', I know who will be left on their arse
I would argue that a proper strength training program would keep a player able to play the game much longer and injury free (with sensible programming)
but overuse injuries are the biggest challenge
a big issue is the amount of idiots out there doing S&C programs with both clubs and county teams and players off doing their own thing without adequate knowledge of why they are doing the exercises
and that most players and coaches don't know when to just take a few days or a week off to let the body rest.
rest is a wonderful thing
Its an amateur sport, a pastime if you like that people do...i feel there is too much emphasis on S&C .... My club won an All Ireland without S&C... Hard f**king slog , sweat and tears , a hint of skill and luck ... None of it done at the gym..
Jesus wept. I hope you're not coaching...
Quote from: gallsman on January 15, 2016, 09:36:05 PM
The question was about strength, not power, or the GAA so how much you bat your eyelids at Michael Darragh and the boys in the gym is really irrelevant. The numbers mentioned are perfectly feasible for the average Joe, in my opinion, and achievable with some basic coaching in technique and a sensible training programme. Disagree if you want, but if you're going to, maybe learn what Olympic lifting is before giving off about it...
I do disagree and I don't need any lessons in Olympic Lifting- I'm an expert in the area.
Weight training for gym numbers to play Gaelic Football is complete bullshit and anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't a clue.
Power and speed. Lifting heavy weights on a consistent basis is absolutely useless for playing Gaelic Football.
During the season if your programme isn't 70 % RPM with plyometrics as a significant part of it then you're training incorrectly
Quote from: INDIANA on January 16, 2016, 01:38:41 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 15, 2016, 09:36:05 PM
The question was about strength, not power, or the GAA so how much you bat your eyelids at Michael Darragh and the boys in the gym is really irrelevant. The numbers mentioned are perfectly feasible for the average Joe, in my opinion, and achievable with some basic coaching in technique and a sensible training programme. Disagree if you want, but if you're going to, maybe learn what Olympic lifting is before giving off about it...
I do disagree and I don't need any lessons in Olympic Lifting- I'm an expert in the area.
Weight training for gym numbers to play Gaelic Football is complete bullshit and anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't a clue.
Power and speed. Lifting heavy weights on a consistent basis is absolutely useless for playing Gaelic Football.
During the season if your programme isn't 70 % RPM with plyometrics as a significant part of it then you're training incorrectly
;D That should be your strapline for every topic.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 15, 2016, 10:04:39 PM
training for GAA should be all about the transfer of strength into speed and power
sprint, jumping, landing and moving
without strength you have no speed or power.
If snatching isn't relevant to the GAA, then why is one of the principles of snatching (overhead squat) used as part of the Functional Screening tests used by most sports?
And also, I beat the squat and deadlift targets set here by gallsman quite comfortably. go me.
but not the bench. but that is because it is a pretty useless exercise for GAA sports.
Hang clean and deadlifts are the two best exercises by a mile. Snatch I can't see the relevance I'm afraid.
Front squat much better then back squat. 80% of people do the back squat incorrectly and end up with significant lower back problems in later life. Barry Solan for example puts most of his players doing the front squat for that reason ( but what would Barry know compared to some of the resident experts here)
Can you kick the ball well with both feet Del Monte? If you're spending that much time in the gym beating those numbers the likelihood is you can't.
The higher up the grades you go skill becomes more important then weights
Quote from: INDIANA on January 16, 2016, 01:38:41 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 15, 2016, 09:36:05 PM
The question was about strength, not power, or the GAA so how much you bat your eyelids at Michael Darragh and the boys in the gym is really irrelevant. The numbers mentioned are perfectly feasible for the average Joe, in my opinion, and achievable with some basic coaching in technique and a sensible training programme. Disagree if you want, but if you're going to, maybe learn what Olympic lifting is before giving off about it...
I do disagree and I don't need any lessons in Olympic Lifting- I'm an expert in the area.
Well in that case, you might want to figure out that squats and deadlifts aren't Olympic lifts.
Quote from: gallsman on January 16, 2016, 02:05:14 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on January 16, 2016, 01:38:41 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 15, 2016, 09:36:05 PM
The question was about strength, not power, or the GAA so how much you bat your eyelids at Michael Darragh and the boys in the gym is really irrelevant. The numbers mentioned are perfectly feasible for the average Joe, in my opinion, and achievable with some basic coaching in technique and a sensible training programme. Disagree if you want, but if you're going to, maybe learn what Olympic lifting is before giving off about it...
I do disagree and I don't need any lessons in Olympic Lifting- I'm an expert in the area.
Well in that case, you might want to figure out that squats and deadlifts aren't Olympic lifts.
Semantics in fairness.
Jesus all you S&C gurus have turned this thread into a right dick measuring competition.
Quote from: Franko on January 16, 2016, 02:12:16 PM
Jesus all you S&C gurus have turned this thread into a right dick measuring competition.
Indiana definitely the biggest dick.
Quote from: INDIANA on January 16, 2016, 02:07:14 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 16, 2016, 02:05:14 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on January 16, 2016, 01:38:41 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 15, 2016, 09:36:05 PM
The question was about strength, not power, or the GAA so how much you bat your eyelids at Michael Darragh and the boys in the gym is really irrelevant. The numbers mentioned are perfectly feasible for the average Joe, in my opinion, and achievable with some basic coaching in technique and a sensible training programme. Disagree if you want, but if you're going to, maybe learn what Olympic lifting is before giving off about it...
I do disagree and I don't need any lessons in Olympic Lifting- I'm an expert in the area.
Well in that case, you might want to figure out that squats and deadlifts aren't Olympic lifts.
Semantics in fairness.
In fairness, you're just flat out wrong and, having claimed to be an expert, look more of a pillock than ever.
Thread bump.
Assuming the diet already in order, what are generally recommended as the best fitness classes for getting results?
smaller dinner plates
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