I know we have championship threads and its abit early to be talking about qualifers but seeing as plenty of people have giving out about the A & B sides of the draws the last couple of years said id throw this up to see. Firstly is it as simple as If youre in the blue bracket you are in A and orange bracket you are in B. If so how do people think the strength of each A & B are precieved this year?
A: Clare, Limerick, Kerry, Roscommon, Leitrim, Sligo, Derry, Tyrone, Cavan, Armagh, Laois, Wicklow, Dublin, Louth,Carlow, Meath
B: Tipperary, Waterford, Cork, Mayo, London, Galway, Monaghan, Down, Donegal, Fermanagh, Antrim, Longford, Offaly, Westmeath, Wexford, Kildare
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Forgot about the qualifier split, B an absolute minefield. Hopefully we don't have to worry about it again next year as the split doesn't apply to provincial losers. IIRC it's predetermined that respective provincial losers will be drawn against one of the remaining teams from either A or B in round four.
Seems a bit more balanced than this year anyway where one half of the draw was way stronger than the other.
A lot more balanced than the previous two years which is mainly down a pretty even draw in Ulster.
Have the dates been fixed for the round 1A and round 1B fixtures?
Quote from: western exile on April 12, 2016, 10:21:07 PM
Have the dates been fixed for the round 1A and round 1B fixtures?
Yep....can find them here
http://www.gaa.ie/football/gaa-football-all-ireland-senior-championship/
Group A has a strong look about it with Dublin and Kerry.
(If only, says you)
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 19, 2015, 04:10:39 PM
Forgot about the qualifier split, B an absolute minefield. Hopefully we don't have to worry about it again next year as the split doesn't apply to provincial losers. IIRC it's predetermined that respective provincial losers will be drawn against one of the remaining teams from either A or B in round four.
The munster and connacht final losers go into side A. Leinster and Ulster final losers go into side B
In the quarter finals, the munster and connacht winners play a qualifer from side A. Leinster and Ulster winners play a qualifer from side B.
Semi-finals, Connacht winners (or team that beats them) V Ulster winners (or team that beats them)
and Leinster Winners (or team that beats them) V Munster winners (or team that beats them).
When is the draw?
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 30, 2016, 11:50:40 AM
When is the draw?
After all quarter finals completed, which isn't until the 12th.
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 30, 2016, 11:50:40 AM
When is the draw?
Will go for Monday the 6th of June.
Quote from: drici on May 30, 2016, 01:27:40 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 30, 2016, 11:50:40 AM
When is the draw?
Will go for Monday the 6th of June.
Will the draw take place before the Ulster and Leinster QFs have been completed?
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 30, 2016, 08:19:48 PM
Quote from: drici on May 30, 2016, 01:27:40 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 30, 2016, 11:50:40 AM
When is the draw?
Will go for Monday the 6th of June.
Will the draw take place before the Ulster and Leinster QFs have been completed?
The logic behind going for Monday the 6th of June is last year's 1st Round draw and also time/preparation/precedent - last year's 1st Round draw took place on Monday the 8th of June.
Saturday 20th June 2015
Round 1A
Londain v Cavan, Ruislip, 2pm
Waterford v Offaly Dungarvan, 2pm
Kildare/Laois v Antrim Newbridge/Portlaoise
Longford v Carlow Pearse Park, 7pm
Saturday 27th June 2015
Round 1B
Tyrone v Limerick, Omagh, Time TBC
Louth v Leitrim, Drogheda, Time TBC
Armagh/Donegal v Meath/Wicklow, Venue TBC
Wexford/Westmeath v Down, Venue TBC
Great to have drici posting again.
Can a team be drawn against a team they've already played in their provincial championship?
Anyone know who's A and B of the teams already in?
Antrim, Armagh, Derry, Leitrim, London,Limerick, Waterford, Longford, Wickla, Carlow, Wexford, Meath/Louth, Offaly/Westmeath, Dublin/Laois, Monaghan/Downand Donegal/Fermanagh.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 31, 2016, 04:09:11 PM
Anyone know who's A and B of the teams already in?
Antrim, Armagh, Derry, Leitrim, London,Limerick, Waterford, Longford, Wickla, Carlow, Wexford, Meath/Louth, Offaly/Westmeath, Dublin/Laois, Monaghan/Downand Donegal/Fermanagh.
See the first post of this thread
Quote from: westbound on May 31, 2016, 04:37:28 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 31, 2016, 04:09:11 PM
Anyone know who's A and B of the teams already in?
Antrim, Armagh, Derry, Leitrim, London,Limerick, Waterford, Longford, Wickla, Carlow, Wexford, Meath/Louth, Offaly/Westmeath, Dublin/Laois, Monaghan/Downand Donegal/Fermanagh.
See the first post of this thread
Ta.
A section the tough one.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 31, 2016, 05:03:14 PM
Quote from: westbound on May 31, 2016, 04:37:28 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 31, 2016, 04:09:11 PM
Anyone know who's A and B of the teams already in?
Antrim, Armagh, Derry, Leitrim, London,Limerick, Waterford, Longford, Wickla, Carlow, Wexford, Meath/Louth, Offaly/Westmeath, Dublin/Laois, Monaghan/Downand Donegal/Fermanagh.
See the first post of this thread
Ta.
A section the tough one.
Possibly.
It's definitely not as lopsided as last year was anyway - although we ended up on the 'easy' side and got beaten in enniskillen!
An A and B system for the qualifying draws was introduced in 2014 and has been retained. The teams are designated as A or B depending on which half of their provincial championships they are initially drawn to play in. Although some teams receive byes in the early provincial rounds, they are usually drawn randomly into the round in which they enter the competition resulting in teams being designated as A or B randomly.
A: Clare, Limerick, Kerry, Roscommon, Leitrim, Sligo, Derry, Tyrone, Cavan, Armagh, Laois, Wicklow, Dublin, Louth,Carlow, Meath
B: Tipperary, Waterford, Cork, Mayo, London, Galway, Monaghan, Down, Donegal, Fermanagh, Antrim, Longford, Offaly, Westmeath, Wexford, Kildare
In all qualifier rounds A teams play A teams and B teams play B teams. Usually the A teams play their provincial games before the B teams which allows the A qualifier games to be scheduled a week before the B qualifier games.
Round 1
The first round consists of all teams that fail to reach their provincial semi-finals with the exception of New York. 16 teams in total take part.
In round 1 four A teams play four A teams and four B teams play four B teams. The eight round 1 winners play the eight beaten provincial semi-finalists in round 2 of the qualifiers.
The following teams take part in this round:qualified so far are:
Connacht (2) leitrim,london
Leinster (7)Wicklow,
Munster (2) limerick,waterford
Ulster (5) Antrim, Armagh, derry
Games to be played 1a sat 18th june,1b day 25th June.
Round 2
In the second round of the qualifiers the eight winning teams from Round 1A and Round 1B play the eight beaten provincial semi-finalists. The round 2 draw is unrestricted − if two teams have played each other in a provincial match they can be drawn to meet again. The eight winners of these matches play each other in Round 3.
Round 1A Winners (4)
Provincial Semi-Finalists (A)
Round 1B Winners (4)
Provincial Semi-Finalists (B)
Round 3
In the third round of the qualifiers winning teams from round 2A play against winning teams from round 2A and winning teams from round 2B play against winning teams from round 2B. Round 3 rules do not allow two teams that have played each other in a provincial match to meet again. The four winners of these matches play the four beaten provincial finalists in Round 4.
Round 2A Winners (4)
Round 2B Winners (4)
Round 4
In the fourth round of the qualifiers, the four winning teams of Round 3A and Round 3B play the four provincial beaten finalists.[8] Round 4 rules do not allow two teams that have played each other in a provincial match to meet again if such a pairing can be avoided. The four winners of these matches play the provincial winners in the All-Ireland Quarter-Finals.
Round 3A Winners
Provincial Runners Up (A)
Round 3B Winners
Provincial Runner up b
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Quote from: westbound on June 01, 2016, 09:09:14 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 31, 2016, 05:03:14 PM
Quote from: westbound on May 31, 2016, 04:37:28 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 31, 2016, 04:09:11 PM
Anyone know who's A and B of the teams already in?
Antrim, Armagh, Derry, Leitrim, London,Limerick, Waterford, Longford, Wickla, Carlow, Wexford, Meath/Louth, Offaly/Westmeath, Dublin/Laois, Monaghan/Downand Donegal/Fermanagh.
See the first post of this thread
Ta.
A section the tough one.
Possibly.
It's definitely not as lopsided as last year was anyway - although we ended up on the 'easy' side and got beaten in enniskillen!
We're on a very soft side of the draw this year again. Dublin and Kerry will not be featuring at all and Tyrone may win Ulster too. We could lose to any county in Ireland knowing us, though.
Jases Syfín has someone hacked your account?
We'd hardly lose to Carlow, Waterford or Wickla at least
Quote from: Rossfan on June 03, 2016, 11:02:59 PM
Jases Syfín has someone hacked your account?
We'd hardly lose to Carlow, Waterford or Wickla at least
Poor old Wicklow aren't much worse than Sligo and look at the fretting we're doing over the all blacks. Waterford gave Galway a right scare a couple years ago too. No right to overlook anyone.
We have to earn that right in Summertime.....
I suppose the probable outcome is we'll enter at Round 4A.
Most likely opposition Cavan, Armagh or Derry. Likely in Croker especially if Cork lose MF as it would be embarrassing crowd wise to have them stand alone.
The part that always confuses me is the the round 4 draw where you have the teams that come through the A side of the draw playing the provincial runners up from the A side of the draw and vice versa with B.
Are the provinces split up into A and B from the outset and if so what do they comprise of this year?
For instance last year, Galway and Tyrone came through the B side of the qualifiers and hosted the runners up of Connacht and Ulster.
Likewise Fermanagh and Kildare came through the A side of the draw and hosted the runners up of Leinster and Munster.
The quarter finals then followed that on with the Ulster and Connacht Champs playing the winners of 3B before it crossed over in the semis with it being Ulster/Munster and Connacht/Leinster
In the case of Provinces, what is the A/B split this year?
I'm interested in finding this out as I'm wondering were Kerry to lose the Munster final would it benefit them by removing them from Dublin's side of the draw? Kerry are beaten before they even take to the field against Dublin this year, the gap seems to be getting wider every time in terms of Dublin's dominance, they've comfortably beaten Kerry in their last two outings with a few gears to spare.
A and B groups are written above when it comes to knock out the following happens.
The munster and connacht final losers go into side A. Leinster and Ulster final losers go into side B
In the quarter finals, the munster and connacht winners play a qualifer from side A. Leinster and Ulster winners play a qualifer from side B.
Semi-finals, Connacht winners (or team that beats them) V Ulster winners (or team that beats them)
and Leinster Winners (or team that beats them) V Munster winners (or team that beats them)..
As Louth/Meath are in the A side their Leinster QF should be this weekend to avoid a six day turn round.
Laois v Armagh
Carlow v Wicklow
Derry v Louth/Meath
Leitrim v Waterford
Down v Longford
Antrim v Limerick
Offaly/Westmeath v Londain
Wexford v Fermanagh/Donegal
Saffrons v Limerick
Down v Longford
Wexford v ferm/donegal
Quote from: drici on June 07, 2016, 08:41:43 AM
Laois v Armagh
Carlow v Wicklow
Derry v Louth/Meath
Leitrim v Waterford
Hardest match we could have got but should be a classic one :). Big Donnie we're bringing Francie back for this match ;)
That could be the end of Armagh's year.
Hmmmmm. I see out game v An Dún is 2 days after UK vote on Brexit.
Will we need passports to go to Newry?
Quote from: No wides on June 07, 2016, 09:00:20 AM
That could be the end of Armagh's year.
It's more likely it will be the end of the year for Laois.
Hope Billy Sheehan gets a game though.... :D
Quote from: laoislad on June 07, 2016, 10:12:11 AM
Quote from: No wides on June 07, 2016, 09:00:20 AM
That could be the end of Armagh's year.
It's more likely it will be the end of the year for Laois.
Hope Billy Sheehan gets a game though.... :D
Might suit both teams to get beaten
To cut short the agony
It's the hope that kills you
Likely inexpensive summer for Armagh people.
Beating Queen's County away would be a massive confidence boost for Armagh. After the dust settled from last week I don't actually think they're as bad as the scoreline suggested v Cavan. A bit of naivety and a couple of individual mistakes cost us but a few tweaks could see us mount a serious challenge against Queen's County.
Laythrums won't fear Waterford and could get their 2nd ever Qualifier win........
Quote from: Rossfan on June 07, 2016, 11:08:06 AM
Laythrums won't fear Waterford and could get their 2nd ever Qualifier win........
They looked totally shite in Carrick. Unusually offer even less in the Quailifers based on previous years.
They probably don't see any point in it......... but don't put us in a B thing though....
Quote from: general_lee on June 07, 2016, 10:32:17 AM
Beating Queen's County away would be a massive confidence boost for Armagh. After the dust settled from last week I don't actually think they're as bad as the scoreline suggested v Cavan. A bit of naivety and a couple of individual mistakes cost us but a few tweaks could see us mount a serious challenge against Queen's County.
Is it on in Maryborough?
Quote from: seafoid on June 07, 2016, 01:04:54 PM
Quote from: general_lee on June 07, 2016, 10:32:17 AM
Beating Queen's County away would be a massive confidence boost for Armagh. After the dust settled from last week I don't actually think they're as bad as the scoreline suggested v Cavan. A bit of naivety and a couple of individual mistakes cost us but a few tweaks could see us mount a serious challenge against Queen's County.
Is it on in Maryborough?
The Queens County v The Queens Men... Whoever wins Lizzy will be happy.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 07, 2016, 12:06:26 PM
They probably don't see any point in it......... but don't put us in a B thing though....
Such is the apathy with respect to the first round of the qualifiers, there will be records set countrywide for poor attendance.
In fact, I would say, such is the gulf between top eight and bottom sixteen, that you could put all eight qualifier games on in the same stadium and you might not get a total of 10k at them.
But if you listen to the provincial councils, everything is just fine ::)
Quote from: joemamas on June 07, 2016, 02:49:19 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 07, 2016, 12:06:26 PM
They probably don't see any point in it......... but don't put us in a B thing though....
Such is the apathy with respect to the first round of the qualifiers, there will be records set countrywide for poor attendance.
In fact, I would say, such is the gulf between top eight and bottom sixteen, that you could put all eight qualifier games on in the same stadium and you might not get a total of 10k at them.
But if you listen to the provincial councils, everything is just fine ::)
The Armagh/Laois game will have a decent crowd. I'd be surprised if it was much less then 10k.
Laois v Armagh in Portlaoise on Sat 18th at 3.30 live on RTÈ.
Lucky to get 4,000.
How come the losers of Meath/Louth will only get 6 days? I thought the whole A/B side was to prevent that happening?
I mentioned that earlier.
Meanwhile Wexford knocked out of Leinster 21 May are in the B section and have to wait 5 WEEKS.
Quote from: meathie on June 07, 2016, 05:06:43 PM
How come the losers of Meath/Louth will only get 6 days? I thought the whole A/B side was to prevent that happening?
They get to play Derry
Quote from: Rossfan on June 07, 2016, 07:30:51 PM
I mentioned that earlier.
Meanwhile Wexford knocked out of Leinster 21 May are in the B section and have to wait 5 WEEKS.
Antrim 6.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 07, 2016, 05:04:31 PM
Laois v Armagh in Portlaoise on Sat 18th at 3.30 live on RTÈ.
Lucky to get 4,000.
Especially given that Ireland play Belgium at 2
The GAA is such a hopelessly administered organisation at times. It's obvious to anyone and everyone that Meath/Louth and Wexford are in the wrong sides of the draw. Either Leinster Council made a mess of the fixtures or the GAA made of mess of placing teams in the A/B sections but someone has made a mess somewhere along the line. Is any actually held accountable for something like this?
Looks like a Leinster council feic up. Both are Leinster Q-finals so no reason why they were fixed 4 weeks apart!
Quote from: Rossfan on June 07, 2016, 05:04:31 PM
Laois v Armagh in Portlaoise on Sat 18th at 3.30 live on RTÈ.
Lucky to get 4,000.
More brainless administration from the GAA allowing it clash with the Ireland match.
Quote from: TheOptimist on June 07, 2016, 09:36:39 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 07, 2016, 05:04:31 PM
Laois v Armagh in Portlaoise on Sat 18th at 3.30 live on RTÈ.
Lucky to get 4,000.
Especially given that Ireland play Belgium at 2
What's that - cricket?
Ireland play South Africa at 4 in the rugby that day. There's Mayo Galway that evening on sky and RTE already have a pre arranged slot for 3.30. In fairness to the gaa it might not be straight forward to move the game. Though personally think they should ask rte if it was possible to move it back to 4 or 4.30. RTE possibly have another euro game at 5 so it would depend what they have on the other channel.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 08, 2016, 01:53:46 PM
Ireland play South Africa at 4 in the rugby that day. There's Mayo Galway that evening on sky and RTE already have a pre arranged slot for 3.30. In fairness to the gaa it might not be straight forward to move the game. Though personally think they should ask rte if it was possible to move it back to 4 or 4.30. RTE possibly have another euro game at 5 so it would depend what they have on the other channel.
Not too bothered at all about missing a rugby friendly match but that is even dafter on the IRFU's part.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 08, 2016, 02:00:50 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 08, 2016, 01:53:46 PM
Ireland play South Africa at 4 in the rugby that day. There's Mayo Galway that evening on sky and RTE already have a pre arranged slot for 3.30. In fairness to the gaa it might not be straight forward to move the game. Though personally think they should ask rte if it was possible to move it back to 4 or 4.30. RTE possibly have another euro game at 5 so it would depend what they have on the other channel.
Not too bothered at all about missing a rugby friendly match but that is even dafter on the IRFU's part.
why is it dafter on the IRFUs part?
Why are RTE showing Laois v Armagh who is going to switch over the Irland game to watch it?
3.30 for a game on a saturday is just a kick in the teeth to any fans let alone that it is clashing with Ireland in the euro's..can't see many if any travelling from Armagh for this ...
Be lucky if there is 1500 at it!
Maybe Laois are getting punished for complaining about the whole Nolan Park fiasco!
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 08, 2016, 02:09:08 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 08, 2016, 02:00:50 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 08, 2016, 01:53:46 PM
Ireland play South Africa at 4 in the rugby that day. There's Mayo Galway that evening on sky and RTE already have a pre arranged slot for 3.30. In fairness to the gaa it might not be straight forward to move the game. Though personally think they should ask rte if it was possible to move it back to 4 or 4.30. RTE possibly have another euro game at 5 so it would depend what they have on the other channel.
Not too bothered at all about missing a rugby friendly match but that is even dafter on the IRFU's part.
why is it dafter on the IRFUs part?
Agreeing to play an international rugby friendly match the same time as a major European championship match, thought that was fairly obvious.
Quote from: Unlaoised on June 08, 2016, 02:34:55 PM
Why are RTE showing Laois v Armagh who is going to switch over the Irland game to watch it?
3.30 for a game on a saturday is just a kick in the teeth to any fans let alone that it is clashing with Ireland in the euro's..can't see many if any travelling from Armagh for this ...
Be lucky if there is 1500 at it!
Maybe Laois are getting punished for complaining about the whole Nolan Park fiasco!
Nobody likes us but we don't care....!
Quote from: laoislad on June 08, 2016, 04:12:45 PM
Quote from: Unlaoised on June 08, 2016, 02:34:55 PM
Why are RTE showing Laois v Armagh who is going to switch over the Irland game to watch it?
3.30 for a game on a saturday is just a kick in the teeth to any fans let alone that it is clashing with Ireland in the euro's..can't see many if any travelling from Armagh for this ...
Be lucky if there is 1500 at it!
Maybe Laois are getting punished for complaining about the whole Nolan Park fiasco!
Nobody likes us but we don't care....!
Sure ye don't even like yerselves!
Quote from: yellowcard on June 08, 2016, 02:35:44 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 08, 2016, 02:09:08 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 08, 2016, 02:00:50 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 08, 2016, 01:53:46 PM
Ireland play South Africa at 4 in the rugby that day. There's Mayo Galway that evening on sky and RTE already have a pre arranged slot for 3.30. In fairness to the gaa it might not be straight forward to move the game. Though personally think they should ask rte if it was possible to move it back to 4 or 4.30. RTE possibly have another euro game at 5 so it would depend what they have on the other channel.
Not too bothered at all about missing a rugby friendly match but that is even dafter on the IRFU's part.
why is it dafter on the IRFUs part?
Agreeing to play an international rugby friendly match the same time as a major European championship match, thought that was fairly obvious.
They don't really have much choice. Those fixtures have been set in stone for a long time and hey happen every year. Can't always avoid clashes like this
Looking like we'll get some good games in the B side of the draw, Cork in today and Galway probably in next week with one of Monaghan/Donegal in the week after.
I foresee record low attendances in the early rounds as admission prices are increased by 100% from €10 to €20.
Will 100 people pay that anywhere in Rounds 1 or 2?
Quote from: yellowcard on June 08, 2016, 02:00:50 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 08, 2016, 01:53:46 PM
Ireland play South Africa at 4 in the rugby that day. There's Mayo Galway that evening on sky and RTE already have a pre arranged slot for 3.30. In fairness to the gaa it might not be straight forward to move the game. Though personally think they should ask rte if it was possible to move it back to 4 or 4.30. RTE possibly have another euro game at 5 so it would depend what they have on the other channel.
Not too bothered at all about missing a rugby friendly match but that is even dafter on the IRFU's part.
You serious? There is no such thing as an international rugby friendly match. Ask CJ Stander or Patrick Lambie!!
This is ridiculous! People who want to see the football can if they want - I suspect a lot of people wouldn't want to anyway unless they are from counties involved and cant go to the game.
Reminds me of a story involving a teacher/soccer coach/friend of mine. He organised a trip to bring students to a soccer friendly (proper friendly) between Ireland and Argentina. They were leaving early in the day and they would be missing a mass that was organised for some reason or other. The principle asked the teacher to ring the FAI to see could they put the kick-off back an hour or 2 so the lads could attend the mass before they departed for Dublin. My friend had to pretend he rang FAI and told the boss that he did his best but kick-off could not be delayed because Argentina had a flight to catch 2 hours after the game. I kid you not.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 13, 2016, 11:49:43 PM
I foresee record low attendances in the early rounds as admission prices are increased by 100% from €10 to €20.
Will 100 people pay that anywhere in Rounds 1 or 2?
Strange the hike is so severe in matches with tennous attendances at the best of times.
Quote from: moysider on June 14, 2016, 01:36:31 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 08, 2016, 02:00:50 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 08, 2016, 01:53:46 PM
Ireland play South Africa at 4 in the rugby that day. There's Mayo Galway that evening on sky and RTE already have a pre arranged slot for 3.30. In fairness to the gaa it might not be straight forward to move the game. Though personally think they should ask rte if it was possible to move it back to 4 or 4.30. RTE possibly have another euro game at 5 so it would depend what they have on the other channel.
Not too bothered at all about missing a rugby friendly match but that is even dafter on the IRFU's part.
You serious? There is no such thing as an international rugby friendly match. Ask CJ Stander or Patrick Lambie!
This is ridiculous! People who want to see the football can if they want - I suspect a lot of people wouldn't want to anyway unless they are from counties involved and cant go to the game.
Reminds me of a story involving a teacher/soccer coach/friend of mine. He organised a trip to bring students to a soccer friendly (proper friendly) between Ireland and Argentina. They were leaving early in the day and they would be missing a mass that was organised for some reason or other. The principle asked the teacher to ring the FAI to see could they put the kick-off back an hour or 2 so the lads could attend the mass before they departed for Dublin. My friend had to pretend he rang FAI and told the boss that he did his best but kick-off could not be delayed because Argentina had a flight to catch 2 hours after the game. I kid you not.
How twee.
Quote from: tippabu on October 19, 2015, 03:50:32 PM
I know we have championship threads and its abit early to be talking about qualifers but seeing as plenty of people have giving out about the A & B sides of the draws the last couple of years said id throw this up to see. Firstly is it as simple as If youre in the blue bracket you are in A and orange bracket you are in B. If so how do people think the strength of each A & B are precieved this year?
A: Clare, Limerick, Kerry, Roscommon, Leitrim, Sligo, Derry, Tyrone, Cavan, Armagh, Laois, Wicklow, Dublin, Louth,Carlow, Meath
B: Tipperary, Waterford, Cork, Mayo, London, Galway, Monaghan, Down, Donegal, Fermanagh, Antrim, Longford, Offaly, Westmeath, Wexford, Kildare
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Q are A and B lists on P1 correct, if so how are Leitrim Playing Waterford.
Looks like the Munster graphic is messed up. They have Tipp and Waterford as Q1, which would tally with playing LEitrim. Then they look as if they shoved Tipp and Cork into the B semi final, which is incorrect I assume.
Good question.
I'm not 100% sure, but the reason I think is a follows: (and don't blame me if it's complicated/stupid - I didn't make the decision!)
The munster semi finals were drawn on an open draw basis. Therefore in Munster, it was possible to be on the a side for the quarter finals, but on the b side for the semi finals.
In the graphic, the losers of Tipp V Waterford are on the A side. But the winners (tipp) go into the B side to play cork. (Cork now having lost the game V Tipp are in the B qualifiers).
In fairness to the munster council, this is probably the only way it was possible to structure the draw when the following two provisions are required
- 2 teams seeded in the semi finals
- Open draw in the semi finals
So the graphic is correct (IMO).
The losers of Tipp V Waterford - A
Losers of Clare V Limerick - B
Losers of Cla/Lim V Kerry - A
Losers of Tipp/Wat V Cork - B
So bringing it up to date:
Waterford - A
Limerick - B
Clare - A
Cork - B
That's my understanding of it anyway!
AZ, I think the graphic is correct (as per my above post).
You might be right. I know they messed up the graphic last year, and I know Waterford are in A, but maybe Cork are indeed in B.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 14, 2016, 02:19:18 PM
You might be right. I know they messed up the graphic last year, and I know Waterford are in A, but maybe Cork are indeed in B.
Yeah if Cork are in A then My theory is blown completely out of the water! lol
But I think they will have to be B.
This (IMO) is the only way the draw could have been structured, because the open draw could have left Kerry V Cork on one side and then two quarter final winners on the other.
Therfore the semi finals would have to have been predetermined as A or B before the draw was made.
Also, in the graphic there is no line joining the quarter finalists to their place in the semi final, suggesting to me that they are not necessarily on the same side of the A/B split.
I remember someone on here noticing a error on the graphic last year, and I remember at the time agreeing with them. But I'm wondering now if it was something similar to this issue? I just cant remember what the error was last year.
That was me, and it was an error. They categorised a whole bunch of fixtures as A side, and then referred to the winners of those fixtures as being in the B side.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 14, 2016, 02:28:24 PM
That was me, and it was an error. They categorised a whole bunch of fixtures as A side, and then referred to the winners of those fixtures as being in the B side.
Look at all the trouble and lower productivity you are responsible for :)
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 14, 2016, 02:28:24 PM
That was me, and it was an error. They categorised a whole bunch of fixtures as A side, and then referred to the winners of those fixtures as being in the B side.
Fair enough. As I said, I couldn't remember what the issue was with last years A V B split
How are the Longford lads feeling about meeting the Mighty Down Men?
Quote from: Aristo 60 on June 14, 2016, 02:55:12 PM
How are the Longford lads feeling about meeting the Mighty Down Men?
Shur, tis grand.
A trip to a nice part of the world - we've crossed swords a few times with Down having the edge.
Not sure if Down have lost any since the Ulster defeat - haven't heard of any defections from the Longford panel.
All to play for - but, unlike the last time we met, the winners are unlikely to be in the All Ireland final :-\
A close win for Longford on the cards.....
The details of both draws are as follows:
Football Draw
Football - Round 2A
Four games will take place on the weekend of July 2nd and 3rd. This draw involves the four winners from Round 1A (Leitrim/Waterford, Laois/Armagh, Derry/Louth, Carlow/Wicklow) against the defeated "A" side Provincial semi-finalists (Meath/Dublin, Cavan/Tyrone, Clare and Sligo).
A separate draw will be made for home advantage and where two teams have met previously in this year's provincial championship the winner of the provincial game shall have home advantage.
Hurling Draw
Round 1 (knockout)
These games will take place on the weekend of July 2nd and 3rd.
Leinster Teams - Laois, Dublin, Westmeath, Wexford and the losers of Offaly/Galway
Munster Teams - Clare, Cork and the losers of Limerick/Tipperary
Teams are drawn from two bowls which shall be as follows:
1. Four Leinster Championship Teams
2. Three Munster plus one Leinster Championship team.
(The Leinster Championship team to be included in the Munster group must be one of the two teams that qualified for the Leinster quarter-finals through the provincial qualifier group. This will be either Offaly or Westmeath but will definitely be Westmeath if Offaly defeat Galway on Sunday to qualify for the Leinster final. If Offaly lose, a draw will be made to determine whether they or Westmeath are included with the Munster teams).
Derry 1-18 Louth 2-10 FT
Can someone tell me what the teams are in the a and b side of the next draw
What beaten semi finalists are in this weeks pot and who are in next weeks???
What's the craic with these qualifiers? It's been a while but I don't remember liking them too much
getting tastier now a few aristocrats are in unchartered waters
What group do Mayo go into?
B I think
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 14, 2016, 03:20:23 PM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on June 14, 2016, 02:55:12 PM
How are the Longford lads feeling about meeting the Mighty Down Men?
Shur, tis grand.
A trip to a nice part of the world - we've crossed swords a few times with Down having the edge.
Not sure if Down have lost any since the Ulster defeat - haven't heard of any defections from the Longford panel.
All to play for - but, unlike the last time we met, the winners are unlikely to be in the All Ireland final :-\
A close win for Longford on the cards.....
Last time Mayo didn't win Connacht, Cork went out in the Munster semis and Down played Longford in Newry, we went all the way to the final....
The difference with that year was that we got promoted to Divion 1 (not relegated), won a game in Ulster first, and Cork lost to Kerry (not Tipp).
Who won between Carlow and Wicklow?
Carlow.
Tyrone Cavan replay 3rd July???
That'll feck up the A side of things.
Sligo v Leitrim
Clare v Laois
Cavan/Tyrone v Carlow
Derry v Dublin/Meath
Team on the left is at Home.
If Tyrone and Cavan are not playing until the 3rd, does this mean the games will be on the 9th of July?
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 20, 2016, 09:13:39 AM
If Tyrone and Cavan are not playing until the 3rd, does this mean the games will be on the 9th of July?
Pretty sure the other 3 games will go ahead as planned on July 2
Just wondering when the hurling qualifiers are? Presume they are the same weekend? Surely the GAA wouldn't pass up Clare v Laois in hurling and football as a double header in Ennis?
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 20, 2016, 10:19:15 AM
Just wondering when the hurling qualifiers are? Presume they are the same weekend? Surely the GAA wouldn't pass up Clare v Laois in hurling and football as a double header in Ennis?
Podge Collins?
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 20, 2016, 10:19:45 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 20, 2016, 10:19:15 AM
Just wondering when the hurling qualifiers are? Presume they are the same weekend? Surely the GAA wouldn't pass up Clare v Laois in hurling and football as a double header in Ennis?
Podge Collins?
Podge might have to choose. That would have happened Offaly frequently in the past with Sean Ryan. Most times they were in two different locations entirely.
Quote from: Hound on June 20, 2016, 09:55:38 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 20, 2016, 09:13:39 AM
If Tyrone and Cavan are not playing until the 3rd, does this mean the games will be on the 9th of July?
Pretty sure the other 3 games will go ahead as planned on July 2
So Meath and Cavan/Tyrone get the six day turnaround treatment.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 20, 2016, 10:20:38 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 20, 2016, 10:19:45 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 20, 2016, 10:19:15 AM
Just wondering when the hurling qualifiers are? Presume they are the same weekend? Surely the GAA wouldn't pass up Clare v Laois in hurling and football as a double header in Ennis?
Podge Collins?
Podge might have to choose. That would have happened Offaly frequently in the past with Sean Ryan. Most times they were in two different locations entirely.
It's a pity and I would have sympathy for him, the footballers would need him more so hopefully Davy understands.
Quote from: mrdeeds on June 20, 2016, 10:24:43 AM
Quote from: Hound on June 20, 2016, 09:55:38 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 20, 2016, 09:13:39 AM
If Tyrone and Cavan are not playing until the 3rd, does this mean the games will be on the 9th of July?
Pretty sure the other 3 games will go ahead as planned on July 2
So Meath and Cavan/Tyrone get the six day turnaround treatment.
Of course if Ulster did as normal Provinces do - replay the following Saturday- Cavan/ Tyrone would have got 7/8 days and all 2A games would be played the same weekend.
Better get Jarlath to explain .......
Quote from: Rossfan on June 20, 2016, 10:56:27 AM
Quote from: mrdeeds on June 20, 2016, 10:24:43 AM
Quote from: Hound on June 20, 2016, 09:55:38 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 20, 2016, 09:13:39 AM
If Tyrone and Cavan are not playing until the 3rd, does this mean the games will be on the 9th of July?
Pretty sure the other 3 games will go ahead as planned on July 2
So Meath and Cavan/Tyrone get the six day turnaround treatment.
Of course if Ulster did as normal Provinces do - replay the following Saturday- Cavan/ Tyrone would have got 7/8 days and all 2A games would be played the same weekend.
Better get Jarlath to explain .......
Or maybe if they played the four quarters over a weekend and same for two semis then the championship could be run of over a few weeks and give clubs more time with there players.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 20, 2016, 10:19:15 AM
Just wondering when the hurling qualifiers are? Presume they are the same weekend? Surely the GAA wouldn't pass up Clare v Laois in hurling and football as a double header in Ennis?
It would be the sensible thing to do so it probably won't happen.
Quote from: mrdeeds on June 20, 2016, 11:01:05 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 20, 2016, 10:56:27 AM
Quote from: mrdeeds on June 20, 2016, 10:24:43 AM
Quote from: Hound on June 20, 2016, 09:55:38 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 20, 2016, 09:13:39 AM
If Tyrone and Cavan are not playing until the 3rd, does this mean the games will be on the 9th of July?
Pretty sure the other 3 games will go ahead as planned on July 2
So Meath and Cavan/Tyrone get the six day turnaround treatment.
Of course if Ulster did as normal Provinces do - replay the following Saturday- Cavan/ Tyrone would have got 7/8 days and all 2A games would be played the same weekend.
Better get Jarlath to explain .......
Or maybe if they played the four quarters over a weekend and same for two semis then the championship could be run of over a few weeks and give clubs more time with there players.
Indeed.
All the Provincial Championships could be condensed.
The 6 game Connacht one goes from 1 May to 10 July - 11 weeks!!
Interesting that all the provincial semi final losers get home advantage in roubd 2A. I presume it will be the same for 2B.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 20, 2016, 10:58:43 PM
Interesting that all the provincial semi final losers get home advantage in roubd 2A. I presume it will be the same for 2B.
Not true, not by design anyway.
I understand Derry are at home to Dublin/Meath
And CCCC can move also, so if Meath do win, Dublin v Derry could be played in Clones
John Fogarty @JohnFogartyIrl · 2 minutes ago
July 2; 9; 16; 23, 30/31/August 1 - sequence facing Clare, Laois/Armagh, Derry, Dublin/Meath, Cavan/Tyrone to reach A-I quarter final
The Round 2B All-Ireland football qualifier draw will take place next Monday morning on RTE Radio after the 8.30am news.
Four games will take place on the weekend of July 9-10. This draw involves the four winners from Round 1B (Offaly/London, Wexford/Fermanagh, Down/Longford, Antrim/Limerick) against the defeated "B" side provincial semi-finalists (Westmeath/Kildare, Donegal/Monaghan, Cork and Mayo).
A separate draw will be made for home advantage and where two teams have met previously in this year's provincial championship the winner of the provincial game shall have home advantage.
Confirmation of home venues, times and all dates for the fixtures will be confirmed following a meeting of CCCC on Monday afternoon.
Antrim and London gone.
Extra time in Nearly.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 25, 2016, 03:37:07 PM
Antrim and London gone.
Extra time in Nearly.
Thought home advantage might swing it for Antrim. Limerick may beckon once again. :-X
1B Qualifier results today
Offally
Limerick
Longford
Fermanagh
Mayo can be drawn against one of the above, home draw to be done as well. Draw to be made on Monday morning on Radio 1 after 8.30 news.
Happy enough with that today.
Played well within ourselves but got the job done.
Need a home draw now.
Don't care who we get as long as it's at home
How long does the news last at 8.30? Excitement is building...
Mayo v Fermanagh
Donegal/Monaghan v Longford
Kildare v Offaly
Limerick v Cork
Team on the left are at Home.
Offaly in Newbridge?
Someone send out a bat signal to find Willie Heffernan.
can fermanagh continue to surprise mayo vunerable ?
Toughest team Mayo could have drawn, but at least it's in MacHale Park. Will be a real tough test, should focus the minds anyway!
Would the CCCC consider fixing our game in Knock?
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 27, 2016, 08:47:17 AM
Offaly in Newbridge?
Someone send out a bat signal to find Willie Heffernan.
Avengers Assemble!
Rehab for the victims of the Mighty Maroons.
When are Donegal and Monaghan playing their replay?
Quote from: skeog on June 27, 2016, 08:51:09 AM
can fermanagh continue to surprise mayo vunerable ?
What has been surprising about Fermanagh? They stayed in division 2 on score difference, beat Antrim (d4) in the championship, lost to donegal then beat Wexford (d4).
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 27, 2016, 09:53:37 AM
When are Donegal and Monaghan playing their replay?
Saturday 7pm.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 27, 2016, 09:28:06 AM
Rehab for the victims of the Mighty Maroons.
Ye've enough to be worrying about besides us
I hope our game is switched to a double header in Croke Park.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 27, 2016, 11:55:30 AM
I hope our game is switched to a double header in Croke Park.
With who Beyonce
Quote from: joemamas on June 27, 2016, 01:15:27 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 27, 2016, 11:55:30 AM
I hope our game is switched to a double header in Croke Park.
With who Beyonce
The battle of the biggest bums.
Mayo v Fermanagh
Monaghan v Longford
Kildare v Offaly
Limerick v Cork
So what happens next? The four winners play off in round three to whittle it down to two teams that will play the losers from Tyrone v Donegal and Galway v Roscommon? That's a serious tough draw versus side A!
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 04, 2016, 11:19:54 AM
Mayo v Fermanagh
Monaghan v Longford
Kildare v Offaly
Limerick v Cork
So what happens next? The four winners play off in round three to whittle it down to two teams that will play the losers from Tyrone v Donegal and Galway v Roscommon? That's a serious tough draw versus side A!
Side A is tipp and losers of connaught v two of derry/meath, cavan/carlow, laois/clare and sligo
Can someone explain to me the logic of the side A & B draws rather than just an open draw?
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on July 04, 2016, 12:19:15 PM
Can someone explain to me the logic of the side A & B draws rather than just an open draw?
To prevent the provincial losers having a 6 day turnaround afaik
Are the quarter-finals an open draw?
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 04, 2016, 12:51:19 PM
Are the quarter-finals an open draw?
no
Qualifiers from group A will play the winners of Connacht & Munster
Qualifiers from group B will play the winners of Ulster & Leinster
Most likely that Dubs will play the Ulster runners-up in the quarter-finals - unless Mayo beat the Ulster runners up in R4 (couldn't see anyone else in that side of the draw beating Tyrone/Donegal - maybe Monaghan although they can't play Donegal in R4).
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 04, 2016, 12:54:00 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 04, 2016, 12:51:19 PM
Are the quarter-finals an open draw?
no
Qualifiers from group A will play the winners of Connacht & Munster
Qualifiers from group B will play the winners of Ulster & Leinster
Cheers, seems a lot more complex than necessary.
Serious changes needed to championship draw. The qualifiers are meaningless, a sideshow. Nobody cares. I wish the GAA would cop on and have an open draw.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 04, 2016, 03:41:15 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 04, 2016, 12:54:00 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 04, 2016, 12:51:19 PM
Are the quarter-finals an open draw?
no
Qualifiers from group A will play the winners of Connacht & Munster
Qualifiers from group B will play the winners of Ulster & Leinster
Cheers, seems a lot more complex than necessary.
Probably although its done to guarantee a 2 week turnaround for the losers in the provincial finals son splitting them into the 2 sections is the best way of guaranteeing it.
I see a few are moaning that B is a lot stronger than A but is only because there has been 2 big shocks this year which has led to Mayo & Cork entering section B
B looks stronger but it depends on the way the games go....
Cavan have a great chance of reaching a quarter in my opinion!
Quote from: BennyCake on July 04, 2016, 03:47:11 PM
Serious changes needed to championship draw. The qualifiers are meaningless, a sideshow. Nobody cares. I wish the GAA would cop on and have an open draw.
me too
Quote from: seafoid on July 04, 2016, 06:10:15 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on July 04, 2016, 03:47:11 PM
Serious changes needed to championship draw. The qualifiers are meaningless, a sideshow. Nobody cares. I wish the GAA would cop on and have an open draw.
me too
And what would that do?
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 04, 2016, 04:12:41 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 04, 2016, 03:41:15 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 04, 2016, 12:54:00 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 04, 2016, 12:51:19 PM
Are the quarter-finals an open draw?
no
Qualifiers from group A will play the winners of Connacht & Munster
Qualifiers from group B will play the winners of Ulster & Leinster
Cheers, seems a lot more complex than necessary.
Probably although its done to guarantee a 2 week turnaround for the losers in the provincial finals son splitting them into the 2 sections is the best way of guaranteeing it.
I see a few are moaning that B is a lot stronger than A but is only because there has been 2 big shocks this year which has led to Mayo & Cork entering section B
I understand the logic but to me it would make more sense to stream line the provincial competitions
Week 1
All Provincial Preliminary Rounds
Week 3All Provincial Quarter finals
Week 5 All Provincial Semi-finals
Round 1 Qualifiers
Week 7Provincial Finals
Round 2 Qualifiers
Week 8Round 3 Qualifiers
Week 9Round 4 Qualifiers
Week 10AI Quarter-final Weekend
Week 12All-Ireland Semi-finals
Week 14All Ireland Final
Extra time if necessary in all games but some latitude for replays if required. Start beginning of June. Finish middle of September. Ideally start beginning of May and give August back to clubs.
Not going to happen - too much lost tv revenue
Too logical Dinny :(
Need to fit Connacht fixtures around the Secretary's family committments ::)
Quote from: sligoman2 on July 04, 2016, 07:08:57 PM
Not going to happen - too much lost tv revenue
What are the terms of the contracts?
Can't see it affecting SKY, in fact I would suggest they would prefer it. How much do RTE pay, is it enough for them to call the tunes. Once you fill in the hurling you'd have 14 weeks of continuous GAA and probably a market for a proper highlights show on Mondays.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 04, 2016, 06:32:07 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 04, 2016, 06:10:15 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on July 04, 2016, 03:47:11 PM
Serious changes needed to championship draw. The qualifiers are meaningless, a sideshow. Nobody cares. I wish the GAA would cop on and have an open draw.
me too
And what would that do?
Everyone plays same number of games to win title
Regulated fixtures
Top teams potentially knocking each other out
Club players facilitated
Fans respected
Weaker counties chance of progressing if lucky draw
Dublin/Kerry fans would see a bit of the country
Championship would start in May, not August
It's very strange that on the A side of the draw we are the only team through to round 3 a - those games are this coming weekend with round 3 the following weekend . If I follow correctly we will play the winners of one of the following
Clare v Laois
Cavan v Carlow
Derry v Meath
Quote from: sligoman2 on July 05, 2016, 11:31:44 PM
It's very strange that on the A side of the draw we are the only team through to round 3 a - those games are this coming weekend with round 3 the following weekend . If I follow correctly we will play the winners of one of the following
Clare v Laois
Cavan v Carlow
Derry v Meath
Yup and then if you win that game, you play Tipp if Roscommon lose against Galway or if Galway lose it's a 50/50 between them and Tipp.
Quote from: twohands!!! on July 06, 2016, 02:17:19 AM
Quote from: sligoman2 on July 05, 2016, 11:31:44 PM
It's very strange that on the A side of the draw we are the only team through to round 3 a - those games are this coming weekend with round 3 the following weekend . If I follow correctly we will play the winners of one of the following
Clare v Laois
Cavan v Carlow
Derry v Meath
Yup and then if you win that game, you play Tipp if Roscommon lose against Galway or if Galway lose it's a 50/50 between them and Tipp.
If tipp win through to play either a connacht champion of Galway or Ros the connacht champions will be 1/5 favs can't see how thats 50/50
Besides tipp have lost more players to USA since Sunday I hear.
Quote from: barking mad on July 06, 2016, 07:44:53 AM
Quote from: twohands!!! on July 06, 2016, 02:17:19 AM
Quote from: sligoman2 on July 05, 2016, 11:31:44 PM
It's very strange that on the A side of the draw we are the only team through to round 3 a - those games are this coming weekend with round 3 the following weekend . If I follow correctly we will play the winners of one of the following
Clare v Laois
Cavan v Carlow
Derry v Meath
Yup and then if you win that game, you play Tipp if Roscommon lose against Galway or if Galway lose it's a 50/50 between them and Tipp.
If tipp win through to play either a connacht champion of Galway or Ros the connacht champions will be 1/5 favs can't see how thats 50/50
Besides tipp have lost more players to USA since Sunday I hear.
Whooooooosh.
He meant 50/50 in terms of the draw.
They're handing out free ham in Newbridge.
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Quote from: Jinxy on July 09, 2016, 06:09:37 PM
They're handing out free ham in Newbridge.
Brady's worked anyways
Quote from: Jinxy on July 09, 2016, 06:09:37 PM
They're handing out free ham in Newbridge.
Wonder if there is any chance a few other GAA sponsors might jump on board??
Quote from: Jinxy on July 09, 2016, 06:09:37 PM
They're handing out free ham in Newbridge.
Qualifier fuel.
Clare beat laois by a point......am i right in saying the last 16 now has 4 counties from each province? Nice spread
Cavan v Derry
Sligo v Clare
Mayo v Kildare
Longford v Cork
Teams on the left have Home advantage.
Quote from: drici on July 11, 2016, 08:41:19 AM
Mayo v Kildare
Longford v Cork
Teams on the left have Home advantage.
Do it for Leinster lads.
Quote from: tippabu on July 10, 2016, 03:39:29 PM
Clare beat laois by a point......am i right in saying the last 16 now has 4 counties from each province? Nice spread
Should we put the other 16 in the B Championship next year :D
Antrim, Armagh, Down, Fermanagh, Monaghan
Laythrum, London,
Limerick, Waterford
Wicklow, Wexford, Carlow, Laois, Offaly, Louth, Meath.
Winner could be let into the A Championship first round
Becoming a bit clearer now :
Saturday, July 23, 2016
Round 4A
Roscommon Vs Clare or Derry
Tipperary Vs Clare or Derry
Saturday, July 30, 2016 - Monday, August 01, 2016
Round 4B
Westmeath Vs Cork or Mayo
Donegal Vs Cork or Mayo
Quarter-Final (A)
Galway Vs 4A Winner
Quarter-Final (A)
Kerry Vs 4A Winner
Saturday, August 06, 2016
Quarter-Final (B)
Dublin Vs Round 4B Winner
Quarter-Final (B)
Tyrone Vs Round 4B Winner
Quote from: mick999 on July 17, 2016, 09:10:00 PM
Becoming a bit clearer now :
Saturday, July 23, 2016
Round 4A
Roscommon Vs Clare or Derry
Tipperary Vs Clare or Derry
Saturday, July 30, 2016 - Monday, August 01, 2016
Round 4B
Westmeath Vs Cork or Mayo
Donegal Vs Cork or Mayo
Quarter-Final (A)
Galway Vs 4A Winner
Quarter-Final (A)
Kerry Vs 4A Winner
Saturday, August 06, 2016
Quarter-Final (B)
Dublin Vs Round 4B Winner
Quarter-Final (B)
Tyrone Vs Round 4B Winner
Am I correct in saying that there's only a draw for the qf if both provincial losers in a side lose; otherwise the winning provincial loser goes into the opposite side to the provincial winner.
Roscommon v Clare
Tipperary v Derry
Neutral venues.
Draw on now:
A
Clare v Roscommon
Derry v Tipp
Nice one for Ros to get back on track
Donegal v Cork
Westmeath v Mayo
Neutral venues.
So is it Tyrone v Westmeath or Mayo?
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 18, 2016, 08:39:26 AM
So is it Tyrone v Westmeath or Mayo?
If Donegal win.
How I expect the All Ireland series to pan out after those round 4 draws.
Tyrone v Mayo
Dublin v Donegal
Galway v Clare
Kerry v Derry
Semi finals
Mayo v Galway
Kerry v. Dublin
Final
Mayo v Dublin
Another handy route to the Semi's for Kerry. They have it easier than Dublin.
Nightmare trip dragging us up to cavan to play derry.....over 3hr drive from south tipp. Surely sense wouldve played it in parnell park, dublin.....motorway for both sets of fans and a nuetral province
Quote from: tippabu on July 18, 2016, 02:18:59 PM
Nightmare trip dragging us up to cavan to play derry.....over 3hr drive from south tipp. Surely sense wouldve played it in parnell park, dublin.....motorway for both sets of fans and a nuetral province
You do know it is the GAA that do the schedule, not some person with common sense.
Fast forward two weeks in Croke Park,
Mayo V Westmeath
Donegal V Cork
Galway V winner
Kerry V winner
lucky to be 30k at each, where am I going with this, the GAA knew for past six months that Dublin would not be playing this weekend, why didn't they just give tickets away to weaker footballing counties to give their U16 on down a day out in croke park.
It would serve two purposes.
1. Create an atmosphere in Croke Park. Stinks being there when place is two thirds empty.
2. Promote the games in counties where the gap is for the most part is getting bigger and bigger.
Somehow I get the feeling that the GAA in Croke Park are measuring themselves on their financial results year over year, and not on truly promoting the games.
Derry to Dublin is over 3 hours too!
Derry to Cavan is about 2 - 2 & 1/2 hours
Thurles to Cavan is 2 & 1/2 hours.
So seems reasonably fair
None of the qualifiers are on RTE, all to be shown live on Sky!!!!!!!!
WTFFFFFF???????
Quote from: aontroim abu on July 18, 2016, 03:28:42 PM
None of the qualifiers are on RTE, all to be shown live on Sky!!!!!!!!
WTFFFFFF???????
crictv stream ;)
Quote from: Lazer on July 18, 2016, 03:09:39 PM
Derry to Dublin is over 3 hours too!
Derry to Cavan is about 2 - 2 & 1/2 hours
Thurles to Cavan is 2 & 1/2 hours.
So seems reasonably fair
Didnt realise derry dublin was that far.
Derry to cavan is 135km......clonmel to cavan is 239km. Pretty much all tipp support is from clonmel and surrounding areas in the south. Anyway, it is what it is, it would be a hell of a lot worse if we had nowhere to travel to this weekend.
Just out of interest, cant really recall derry playing much in cavan, maybe the league but have ye played there often recently?
Quote from: tippabu on July 18, 2016, 03:54:32 PM
Quote from: Lazer on July 18, 2016, 03:09:39 PM
Derry to Dublin is over 3 hours too!
Derry to Cavan is about 2 - 2 & 1/2 hours
Thurles to Cavan is 2 & 1/2 hours.
So seems reasonably fair
Didnt realise derry dublin was that far.
Derry to cavan is 135km......clonmel to cavan is 239km. Pretty much all tipp support is from clonmel and surrounding areas in the south. Anyway, it is what it is, it would be a hell of a lot worse if we had nowhere to travel to this weekend.
Just out of interest, cant really recall derry playing much in cavan, maybe the league but have ye played there often recently?
We've played there last weekend
Before that the last championship match I can remember us playing there was against laois in 2007
Possibly played more recent league or mckenna cup games there but I can't remember them
Quote from: southderryman on July 18, 2016, 03:59:20 PM
Quote from: tippabu on July 18, 2016, 03:54:32 PM
Quote from: Lazer on July 18, 2016, 03:09:39 PM
Derry to Dublin is over 3 hours too!
Derry to Cavan is about 2 - 2 & 1/2 hours
Thurles to Cavan is 2 & 1/2 hours.
So seems reasonably fair
Didnt realise derry dublin was that far.
Derry to cavan is 135km......clonmel to cavan is 239km. Pretty much all tipp support is from clonmel and surrounding areas in the south. Anyway, it is what it is, it would be a hell of a lot worse if we had nowhere to travel to this weekend.
Just out of interest, cant really recall derry playing much in cavan, maybe the league but have ye played there often recently?
We've played there last weekend
Before that the last championship match I can remember us playing there was against laois in 2007
Possibly played more recent league or mckenna cup games there but I can't remember them
Only team to beat Cavan in Cavan this year was Derry, twice
Quote from: TheOptimist on July 18, 2016, 04:41:18 PM
Quote from: southderryman on July 18, 2016, 03:59:20 PM
Quote from: tippabu on July 18, 2016, 03:54:32 PM
Quote from: Lazer on July 18, 2016, 03:09:39 PM
Derry to Dublin is over 3 hours too!
Derry to Cavan is about 2 - 2 & 1/2 hours
Thurles to Cavan is 2 & 1/2 hours.
So seems reasonably fair
Didnt realise derry dublin was that far.
Derry to cavan is 135km......clonmel to cavan is 239km. Pretty much all tipp support is from clonmel and surrounding areas in the south. Anyway, it is what it is, it would be a hell of a lot worse if we had nowhere to travel to this weekend.
Just out of interest, cant really recall derry playing much in cavan, maybe the league but have ye played there often recently?
We've played there last weekend
Before that the last championship match I can remember us playing there was against laois in 2007
Possibly played more recent league or mckenna cup games there but I can't remember them
Only team to beat Cavan in Cavan this year was Derry, twice
True. Although i wouldn't read much into that, arguably their tougher games were away.... Tyrone for example.
Quote from: southderryman on July 18, 2016, 03:59:20 PM
Quote from: tippabu on July 18, 2016, 03:54:32 PM
Quote from: Lazer on July 18, 2016, 03:09:39 PM
Derry to Dublin is over 3 hours too!
Derry to Cavan is about 2 - 2 & 1/2 hours
Thurles to Cavan is 2 & 1/2 hours.
So seems reasonably fair
Didnt realise derry dublin was that far.
Derry to cavan is 135km......clonmel to cavan is 239km. Pretty much all tipp support is from clonmel and surrounding areas in the south. Anyway, it is what it is, it would be a hell of a lot worse if we had nowhere to travel to this weekend.
Just out of interest, cant really recall derry playing much in cavan, maybe the league but have ye played there often recently?
We've played there last weekend
Before that the last championship match I can remember us playing there was against laois in 2007
Possibly played more recent league or mckenna cup games there but I can't remember them
Twas a beautiful evening too for the Laois game. P Bradley took Tom Kelly to the cleaners and Collie Devlin had his best game in a Derry shirt imo.
Quote from: Lazer on July 18, 2016, 03:09:39 PM
Derry to Dublin is over 3 hours too!
Derry to Cavan is about 2 - 2 & 1/2 hours
Thurles to Cavan is 2 & 1/2 hours.
So seems reasonably fair
Aye but it's only just over 2 hours for us non City wans!!
Quote from: TheOptimist on July 18, 2016, 04:41:18 PM
Quote from: southderryman on July 18, 2016, 03:59:20 PM
Quote from: tippabu on July 18, 2016, 03:54:32 PM
Quote from: Lazer on July 18, 2016, 03:09:39 PM
Derry to Dublin is over 3 hours too!
Derry to Cavan is about 2 - 2 & 1/2 hours
Thurles to Cavan is 2 & 1/2 hours.
So seems reasonably fair
Didnt realise derry dublin was that far.
Derry to cavan is 135km......clonmel to cavan is 239km. Pretty much all tipp support is from clonmel and surrounding areas in the south. Anyway, it is what it is, it would be a hell of a lot worse if we had nowhere to travel to this weekend.
Just out of interest, cant really recall derry playing much in cavan, maybe the league but have ye played there often recently?
We've played there last weekend
Before that the last championship match I can remember us playing there was against laois in 2007
Possibly played more recent league or mckenna cup games there but I can't remember them
Only team to beat Cavan in Cavan this year was Derry, twice
Ah jaysus....ye'll have no trouble with little old tipperary so!! Be a long trip home from yer new home venue ;)
Quote from: JoG2 on July 18, 2016, 04:49:25 PM
Quote from: southderryman on July 18, 2016, 03:59:20 PM
Quote from: tippabu on July 18, 2016, 03:54:32 PM
Quote from: Lazer on July 18, 2016, 03:09:39 PM
Derry to Dublin is over 3 hours too!
Derry to Cavan is about 2 - 2 & 1/2 hours
Thurles to Cavan is 2 & 1/2 hours.
So seems reasonably fair
Didnt realise derry dublin was that far.
Derry to cavan is 135km......clonmel to cavan is 239km. Pretty much all tipp support is from clonmel and surrounding areas in the south. Anyway, it is what it is, it would be a hell of a lot worse if we had nowhere to travel to this weekend.
Just out of interest, cant really recall derry playing much in cavan, maybe the league but have ye played there often recently?
We've played there last weekend
Before that the last championship match I can remember us playing there was against laois in 2007
Possibly played more recent league or mckenna cup games there but I can't remember them
Twas a beautiful evening too for the Laois game. P Bradley took Tom Kelly to the cleaners and Collie Devlin had his best game in a Derry shirt imo.
Agree with that.
Paul Murphy was absolutely superb in that game too. (Should never have been subbed against dublin in the quarter final either).
Was a fairly high scoring game, both teams having a real go.
Quote from: tippabu on July 18, 2016, 04:52:38 PM
Quote from: TheOptimist on July 18, 2016, 04:41:18 PM
Quote from: southderryman on July 18, 2016, 03:59:20 PM
Quote from: tippabu on July 18, 2016, 03:54:32 PM
Quote from: Lazer on July 18, 2016, 03:09:39 PM
Derry to Dublin is over 3 hours too!
Derry to Cavan is about 2 - 2 & 1/2 hours
Thurles to Cavan is 2 & 1/2 hours.
So seems reasonably fair
Didnt realise derry dublin was that far.
Derry to cavan is 135km......clonmel to cavan is 239km. Pretty much all tipp support is from clonmel and surrounding areas in the south. Anyway, it is what it is, it would be a hell of a lot worse if we had nowhere to travel to this weekend.
Just out of interest, cant really recall derry playing much in cavan, maybe the league but have ye played there often recently?
We've played there last weekend
Before that the last championship match I can remember us playing there was against laois in 2007
Possibly played more recent league or mckenna cup games there but I can't remember them
Only team to beat Cavan in Cavan this year was Derry, twice
Ah jaysus....ye'll have no trouble with little old tipperary so!! Be a long trip home from yer new home venue ;)
Nice try :D
Ye knocked out cork, put 2-10 past kerry and have had some really good underage teams recently. Very much a 50/50 game
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnpEzmdWcAAy5mb.jpg)
Quote from: southderryman on July 18, 2016, 04:54:36 PM
Quote from: tippabu on July 18, 2016, 04:52:38 PM
Quote from: TheOptimist on July 18, 2016, 04:41:18 PM
Quote from: southderryman on July 18, 2016, 03:59:20 PM
Quote from: tippabu on July 18, 2016, 03:54:32 PM
Quote from: Lazer on July 18, 2016, 03:09:39 PM
Derry to Dublin is over 3 hours too!
Derry to Cavan is about 2 - 2 & 1/2 hours
Thurles to Cavan is 2 & 1/2 hours.
So seems reasonably fair
Didnt realise derry dublin was that far.
Derry to cavan is 135km......clonmel to cavan is 239km. Pretty much all tipp support is from clonmel and surrounding areas in the south. Anyway, it is what it is, it would be a hell of a lot worse if we had nowhere to travel to this weekend.
Just out of interest, cant really recall derry playing much in cavan, maybe the league but have ye played there often recently?
We've played there last weekend
Before that the last championship match I can remember us playing there was against laois in 2007
Possibly played more recent league or mckenna cup games there but I can't remember them
Only team to beat Cavan in Cavan this year was Derry, twice
Ah jaysus....ye'll have no trouble with little old tipperary so!! Be a long trip home from yer new home venue ;)
Nice try :D
Ye knocked out cork, put 2-10 past kerry and have had some really good underage teams recently. Very much a 50/50 game
Absolutely, sure I don't think Tipp have ever lost a championship match at Breffni Park...ever
If it turns out to be Tyrone v mayo and Dublin v Donegal will they stick to a double header on 6th August? Some crowd at that.......
Quote from: The Trap on July 18, 2016, 05:26:11 PM
If it turns out to be Tyrone v mayo and Dublin v Donegal will they stick to a double header on 6th August? Some crowd at that.......
First sell out of the year if that happens. Hurling semi on the Sunday, so it would seem it would have to be a Saturday double bill, no matter who ends up being involved
Is it an open draw at the QF stage? Or still this A and B bollix?
Quote from: The Trap on July 18, 2016, 05:26:11 PM
If it turns out to be Tyrone v mayo and Dublin v Donegal will they stick to a double header on 6th August? Some crowd at that.......
It will hardly be a double header with Dublin in it?
Quote from: muppet on July 18, 2016, 07:48:01 PM
Quote from: The Trap on July 18, 2016, 05:26:11 PM
If it turns out to be Tyrone v mayo and Dublin v Donegal will they stick to a double header on 6th August? Some crowd at that.......
It will hardly be a double header with Dublin in it?
It was the last couple of years anyway.
Yes Benny it's "A and B bollix" in the Quarter.
Quote from: muppet on July 18, 2016, 07:48:01 PM
Quote from: The Trap on July 18, 2016, 05:26:11 PM
If it turns out to be Tyrone v mayo and Dublin v Donegal will they stick to a double header on 6th August? Some crowd at that.......
It will hardly be a double header with Dublin in it?
Double header with Dubs v Donegal at 6
Quote from: heffo on July 18, 2016, 09:22:08 PM
Double header with Dubs v Donegal at 6
A bit far ahead to be talking yet but if this keyboard warrior man/woman above happens to be correct:
The Minor "match" to be on second - Jimmy did well but let there be no one pretending about the reality now.
The interesting match where even Paddy Power will not have a certainty - to be on first it seems.
Is this to do with Gardaí and dispersal of crowds and health and safety?
That would give Tyrone and Mayo rich people more time to go home - outside of Club and League (with the discounted early buy tickets is now beyond the ordinary decent people of Ireland) - SKY SKY SKY -the posters on this board scream - which is sensible to prevent accidents on the road because of tiredness and the rich are normally looked after first by those in control. No reason to stay for the inevitable result of the post Jimmy second game.
Donegal ones will catch on soon not to waste whatever money they have in their isolation.
Remember when the Boys From Killybegs Came Rolling Home.
Fishing wrecked. Them Kilkeel boys knew what they were voting for.
Can I have some of what you're on? ::)
Quote from: Rossfan on July 18, 2016, 11:44:26 PM
Can I have some of what you're on? ::)
Welcome to the qualifiers thread Rossfan, it's gas craic in here
Quote from: muppet on July 18, 2016, 07:48:01 PM
Quote from: The Trap on July 18, 2016, 05:26:11 PM
If it turns out to be Tyrone v mayo and Dublin v Donegal will they stick to a double header on 6th August? Some crowd at that.......
It will hardly be a double header with Dublin in it?
Limerick could be the solution. But I could not see Donegal going for that?
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 18, 2016, 11:51:02 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 18, 2016, 07:48:01 PM
Quote from: The Trap on July 18, 2016, 05:26:11 PM
If it turns out to be Tyrone v mayo and Dublin v Donegal will they stick to a double header on 6th August? Some crowd at that.......
It will hardly be a double header with Dublin in it?
Limerick could be the solution. But I could not see Donegal going for that?
Apparently all quarter finals have to be played in Croker because people who shelled out for corporate boxes or premium level tickets were promised so when they bought them. Presumably replays weren't included in the contract which is how the Mayo/Kerry replay ended up in Limerick.
Quote from: OgraAnDun on July 18, 2016, 11:55:17 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 18, 2016, 11:51:02 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 18, 2016, 07:48:01 PM
Quote from: The Trap on July 18, 2016, 05:26:11 PM
If it turns out to be Tyrone v mayo and Dublin v Donegal will they stick to a double header on 6th August? Some crowd at that.......
It will hardly be a double header with Dublin in it?
Limerick could be the solution. But I could not see Donegal going for that?
Apparently all quarter finals have to be played in Croker because people who shelled out for corporate boxes or premium level tickets were promised so when they bought them. Presumably replays weren't included in the contract which is how the Mayo/Kerry replay ended up in Limerick.
Thank god we are all members of an organisation that is of the people for the people. No expense spared (if you get what i mean).
A double-header it is on the 6th August, with ourselves on first at 4pm, and the Dubs to follow at 6pm:
Football Fixtures (http://www.gaa.ie/football/gaa-football-all-ireland-senior-championship/fixtures)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 19, 2016, 12:04:43 AM
A double-header it is on the 6th August, with ourselves on first at 4pm, and the Dubs to follow at 6pm:
Football Fixtures (http://www.gaa.ie/football/gaa-football-all-ireland-senior-championship/fixtures)
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Clare v Kerry
Tipp v Galway
Galway or Tipp into an AI semifinal.
Who said the qualifiers aren't working?
Why, does Galway or Tipp getting into the semi final prove it's working?
Quote from: Zulu on July 23, 2016, 07:26:26 PM
Why, does Galway or Tipp getting into the semi final prove it's working?
Esp if it's Galway they won't have came through the qualifiers
And Tipp only played one round of them. Clare, Mayo or Cork would be notables, and to be honest if Cork or Mayo get to a semi final, it will reinforce what I don't like about the Qualifiers, that it gives big teams a second chance, and any upsets in the Provincial setup means little really in the big scheme of things.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 23, 2016, 07:22:20 PM
Clare v Kerry
Tipp v Galway
Galway or Tipp into an AI semifinal.
Who said the qualifiers aren't working?
Definitely think you are underestimating Galway at your peril.
Jeepers his are fierce many cnuts.
All I meant was wasn't it great for Clare and Tipperary to get to the quarterfinals for the first time.
Yeah Galway won their province and have come from nowhere to maybe get to an AI semi. They must be delighted with a reasonable easy draw.
What is the big deal about Kerry playing Clare? They usually get to.the semi's. The system favours the big teams. Same as last year.
Do people want the big teams not to be in the closing stages or what?
Quote from: Rossfan on July 24, 2016, 06:28:01 PM
Do people want the big teams not to be in the closing stages or what?
Depends if you count tipp as a big team or not!!
Kerry have certainly had a bit of luck in the quarter finals the last 5 times they've won Munster, last 5 opponents including this year are Limerick, Cavan, Galway, Kildare & Clare.
Tough draw for Kerry so far...they've had to play a 1/4 finalist....a 1/4 finalist and now another 1/4 finalist.. 8)
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 24, 2016, 05:50:23 PM
Jeepers his are fierce many cnuts.
All I meant was wasn't it great for Clare and Tipperary to get to the quarterfinals for the first time.
Yeah Galway won their province and have come from nowhere to maybe get to an AI semi. They must be delighted with a reasonable easy draw.
Doesn't say anything about the merits of the qualifiers though which seemed to be your point.
So the Clare reward for reaching their first ever All Ireland quarter final is game against Kerry who they already played this summer. Where is the fairness and sense in that? A & B nonsense the reason for this when a open draw would guarantee no repeat pairings. It's also unfair to Clare having to play this quarter final so soon.
The A & B was brought into add structure to the qualifiers so county boards could plan better but the problem is that it's a solution to the wrong problem.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 24, 2016, 08:07:01 PM
It's also unfair to Clare having to play this quarter final so soon.
Same setup for all 4 teams from the qualifiers, the 1 week turnaround isn't a huge deal when you're winning imo